Time Nick Message 00:31 VanessaE LazyJ jinxed me :( my SSD just crapped out. 00:32 VanessaE managed to get my homedir off before it totally bit it, but not my serverlost a few days' worth of changes on my server, but that's about all 00:32 VanessaE damn it, who put Enter right next to the G*d damn ' key!? 00:32 VanessaE :) 00:34 lordcirth VanessaE, I have never figured out why phone keyboards put Backspace next to Send 00:34 lordcirth It's far worse than ' 00:34 Exio4 that too 00:35 VanessaE G*d I'm spoiled. running from spinning rust versus SSD feels like stepping back into the 1980's or something 00:35 Exio4 VanessaE: SSD crapped out? what? 00:35 lordcirth VanessaE, so can you RMA the SSD, or is it too old 00:35 Exio4 how much did it "keep"? 00:35 VanessaE Exio4: my primary drive, OCZ Vertex2 60GB solid state disk, just died. 00:35 VanessaE lordcirth: it's probably still under warranty, or it would have been had I not opened it to take a peek - I wouldn't bother returning it anyone, I'll get a better brand. 00:36 VanessaE Exio4: what do you mean? 00:36 Exio4 how much did you use it :P 00:36 * NekoGloop noms VanessaE 00:36 Exio4 do you know C btw? 00:36 VanessaE Exio4: oh, not nearly enough to kill it. electronics failure. and no, I don't know C well enough to do anything useful 00:37 Exio4 aww, so i can't make your eyes bleed with http://dpaste.com/1337561/ 00:37 Exio4 :( 00:37 Exio4 hmmmm would like that code! 00:37 VanessaE wouldn't matter if I could read it, I don't have my browser installed yet :) 00:37 Exio4 wait, he is connected, sorry for the highlight then :P 00:37 Exio4 you have wget, add plain/ to the url ;P 00:37 VanessaE :P 00:38 Peacock finished this mofo http://s12.postimg.org/od9o3si3x/screenshot_1692017442.jpg 00:38 jin_xi by hand? 00:38 Peacock well, two rectangles by we, rest by hand 00:38 sokomine vanessa: urgs. that's bad. hope you had a backup 00:39 VanessaE sokomine: I managed to grab a current backup of my homedir just before the SSD died, but I couldn't grab the server's files in time. I have backup of those, too, but it's a few days old. 00:40 sokomine oh :-( that's bad. hope not too much was built on it 00:40 VanessaE everything that could be restored has been, I'm just running my "set up my system" script now. 00:40 sokomine hm, most of what i did to my hotel will then be gone as well 00:40 sokomine at least you do have a backup. that's something 00:41 Peacock thinking of doing this one next http://s23.postimg.org/5wz5axad7/mvrdv_cloud_korea_skyscraper_architect_appartmen.jpg 00:41 sokomine looks at least intresting. will be a nightmare to furnish :-) 00:42 VanessaE ah, I have a slightly newer copy of the server's world in my ~/.minetest folder also, so only two days' worth of changes will be lost. 00:42 Exio4 wait wait 00:42 Exio4 how is the homedir related to the SSD 00:42 Exio4 don't you have them in the /home? 00:44 VanessaE I keep minetest's files in /home/minetest 00:44 lordcirth Exio4, what if she has /home on the SSD? 00:44 VanessaE e.g. the server 00:44 VanessaE my own stuff is in /home/vanessa 00:44 VanessaE both dirs are on the SSD 00:44 VanessaE my backup script managed to capture all of /home/vanessa but only a few files from /home/minetest before the drive completely died. 00:44 VanessaE but I have a copy of the server's world in /home/vanessa also, which I sometimes use for testing. 00:45 Peacock this one's fugly lol https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_LbS5An41vu4/S5tTMhYUgeI/AAAAAAABWFA/9I1jbJAKJ4w/s512/DSC06056.JPG 00:45 Exio4 lordcirth: i thought she had the /home in an HDD 00:47 kaeza [20:55:53] here! my first C program! http://dpaste.com/1337561/ <-- lol 00:48 Peacock go home skyscraper, you're drunk http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/bosnia_herzegovina/sarajevo_skyscraper_ga110908_1.jpg 00:48 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/NZzpSHR.png 00:48 Peacock lsystems 00:48 kaeza Exio4, that use of macros is not creative enough 00:48 Exio4 i know 00:49 jin_xi pehjota: not really, my own turtle system in lua with vmanips. 00:49 jin_xi oh sorry 00:49 jin_xi i mean Peacock 00:49 Tesseract void main(void){DO_MAIN} 00:49 Peacock turtle + voxmynipples = mind blown 00:49 Peacock i thought it was written in lua 00:49 Peacock someone said it used the builtin lsystems 00:50 jin_xi it used to 00:50 kaeza Tesseract, 'void main()' ? D:< 00:50 Peacock aahh ok 00:50 jin_xi that was before there were vmanips 00:51 Peacock hmm, i wonder 00:51 kaeza Exio4, you forgot token pasting, and stringification 00:51 Peacock lemme find the pic 00:51 Exio4 i tried to keep the code clean, not emulate brainfuck 00:51 Exio4 :> 00:51 Peacock could a turtle do the various ring/clover shaped floors for this? http://s21.postimg.org/os8pttodz/Urban_Forest_Skyscraper_by_Mad_Architects_3.jpg 00:52 jin_xi idk, there might be better ways 00:53 jin_xi lines that close on themselves without being circles take some care 00:53 Peacock yeah no that tower is a tricky mofo to do lol 00:54 lordcirth I want to see someone design a Klein bottle building 00:54 jin_xi but with voxmanipulations you should be able to in no time (given you do some coding) 00:54 Peacock well voxnips just places nodes, it doesn't design 00:54 Peacock speed aint a problem, its the variable geometry of each floor 00:55 Tesseract kaeza: int main(int argc, char *argv[])? 00:55 jin_xi maybe start with deforming circles for each floor 00:56 Peacock looking closer, not sure if clovershaped or rounded triangles :/ 00:56 kaeza Tesseract, or int main(void) 00:59 Peacock daaaamn http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/05/09/1226350/974073-hashtag-skyscraper.jpg 01:01 VanessaE brb 01:01 lordcirth Peacock, that is a trippy building 01:01 Peacock theyre planning on building it, they call it the hashtag building 01:03 Peacock i already got a cheese grater :/ http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/03/o14-lead01.jpg 01:12 Peacock epic but not terribly functional http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8RtMJjmPSBc/UEPjh1sGFQI/AAAAAAAAEkM/EKheDdac6vQ/s400/DAM+Model++4.JPG 01:20 Peacock voxely? http://killscreendaily.com/media/img/articles/2012/05/Pixelated_Skyscraper.jpg 01:28 PilzAdam bye 01:29 VanessaE Peacock: neat 01:29 Peacock im downloading all these images :P we'll see which ones i can actually do though lol 01:30 Peacock hm, i googled "postmodern skyscraper" this is one of the results: http://lesleycarter.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/no-bull-lesley_1.jpg 01:33 VanessaE I've heard of someone having a set of brass ones, but that's ridiculous 01:33 Peacock you dont wanna know what google gave me when i searched for 'odd skyscraper' lol 02:02 VanessaE holy G*d in heaven MT is slow on a regular HDD 02:03 Peacock most of us are prolly used to it lol 02:03 VanessaE I'm spoiled :P 02:03 Peacock ssd died already? 02:04 Peacock even my 160g hdd lasted 7 yrs :/ 02:04 Peacock coulda prolly squeezed another 2 yrs if i hadn't reinstalled linux so many times 02:06 VanessaE yeah 02:06 VanessaE hard failure 02:06 VanessaE started to peter out, then just outright wouldn't register anymore 02:06 VanessaE burnt out chip I assume 02:06 Peacock doesnt give me much hope for the netbook 02:07 Peacock eventually ill get an external 5tb and keep all my shit on that, local disks for OS/apps only 02:14 Peacock the Economist's paywall is so ridiculously easy to get around lol 02:45 VanessaE Anyone know much about Mushkin brand SSDs? 02:45 VanessaE Tom's Hardware says they're pretty much the top end for the budget I have in mind 02:45 lordcirth VanessaE, they have pretty good ratings 02:45 VanessaE (Mushkin Chronos Enhanced, e.g. this one: http://us-dc1-order.store.yahoo.net/3btech/cgi-bin/wg-order?ysco_key_event_id=&ysco_key_store_id=3btech§ionId=ysco.cart&yscoc=rx3l3OEmAUc7vKOCpp_D.EdN4tIc0tWqsaFf6evkvBduFPcBZ7vm3DzAWkt.9Iw40iHhew_kpZDCkeiK0l5qKdwrEcBisLgYR30q93X.Fc2Z.SaZvJTESqppzk_ScR7uP2Oic9WnuYskDA--&yscos=3BAm_Q4mAUeZPfzg9UF26ZPHzBOSqnKY.F5Q6bCNfDoklTSpbiVQviy2QjGxJnaERAQ8eDzVarzF.oQt4vc5Yzfiub4MnGfqFZm9vrkeyu 02:45 VanessaE XBlYDn3G_XJm_6YBtZluhU_8DWenINsmvJsw--&yscob=xvOkn3AmAUfsUd_6sKebYSUZDQQfPznAOYq1DfgKbun5KCSiYguCLSDAopHL1.urq1HZCFlH6jGN7zCvaM4BxO_vSIbSeT6OB5HEK6mYOMJvbLZlW3PGgRbT18zhbqD2aw--#__utma=1.1853320477.1375522679.1375522679.1376102611.2&__utmb=1.1.10.1376102611&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1376102611.2.2.utmcsr=pricewatch.com|utmccn=%28referral%29|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/search&__utmv=-&__utmk=12571316 ) 02:45 VanessaE fuck 02:45 VanessaE wrong link :P 02:46 VanessaE http://3btech.net/much12sa6gso.html 02:46 Menche that is quite a url 02:46 VanessaE that one 02:46 lordcirth VanessaE, They make links stupid long nowadays 02:46 VanessaE lordcirth: ain't that the truth :) 02:46 VanessaE anyways 02:47 VanessaE that *short* link points to the one I've got my eye on 02:47 lordcirth VanessaE, looks like a nice deal, if no/cheap shipping 02:47 VanessaE free shipping 02:47 VanessaE gotta love 3btech for that 02:47 VanessaE good place to do business with 02:48 VanessaE Sandforce controller though in the drive. Are those still buggy? 02:49 lordcirth not if it's been reflashed 02:49 VanessaE ok 02:53 lordcirth VanessaE, assuming it was bought from Mushkin reasonably recently, it will have been reflashed. Or you can always do it yourself 02:53 VanessaE right 02:53 VanessaE and in fact I had to do that with my OCZ shortly after I got it 02:56 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104912#p104912 :| 02:56 kaeza just wut 02:56 Menche i didn't understand that one 02:56 VanessaE o.O 02:57 kaeza as I see it, he wants it so the server runs minetest_game, but players download minimal 02:57 Menche maybe he doesn't understand that games are entirely server-side 02:57 kaeza or something like that 02:59 VanessaE lordcirth: hrm, thos 120GB model has gathered quite a few negative reviews :-/ 03:06 lordcirth VanessaE, where? 03:06 VanessaE on newegg 03:06 VanessaE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-226-236&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo 03:06 VanessaE seems to be those drives average about 1 year before they die :-/ 03:08 lordcirth VanessaE, no, bc people are ~10 times more likely to post negative reviews than positive. 22% rated 1 egg, therefore 2-3% were DOA 03:08 VanessaE hm 03:08 lordcirth (or died soon after) 03:08 VanessaE I'm also looking at this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171740&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Solid%20State%20Disk-_-SanDisk-_-20171740&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=3087823&SID= 03:09 VanessaE Sandisk always used to be THE company to choose for solid state storage. 03:09 VanessaE wonder if they're still good :) 03:09 lordcirth VanessaE, , Also looks nice, but has 20% 1 egg 03:09 VanessaE yeah 03:10 lordcirth sandisk is the goto for small flash storage. 2.5 SATA III SSDs are a different game, though related 03:10 VanessaE true 03:11 lordcirth The Intel 520s are probably the most reliable, and near fastest, but they are quite expensive 03:11 DeepGaze whats the time? (broke clock) 03:11 VanessaE 11:11 pm EDT 03:12 DeepGaze thx 03:12 VanessaE hm, yeah the 520 is a bit up there, still less than the OCZ originally cost for the same capacity 03:14 lordcirth VanessaE, sure you need 120GB? 03:14 VanessaE I only need around 80GB, but I figure I should go with whatever's best for my budget (about $100) 03:14 VanessaE if that means more capacity or more speed, so bew it :) 03:14 VanessaE be* 03:16 DeepGaze mechanical drives are not slow though 03:16 DeepGaze and they are cheapish 03:16 VanessaE wanna bet? 03:17 DeepGaze yeah i run 250 x2 and 180 x1 and my pc is fast 03:17 VanessaE my PC takes 3x longer to boot, MT takes easily 5x longer to start up, everything is more sluggish, etc. with a HDD 03:18 VanessaE if you ever used a SSD, you'd never wanna go back to HDD :) 03:19 lordcirth VanessaE, use e4rat :) 03:19 DeepGaze i run a low buget system due to buy ing all my gear for school 03:19 VanessaE wazzat? 03:19 lordcirth VanessaE, ext4 Reduced Access Time 03:19 DeepGaze *buying, *budget 03:19 Menche preloading? 03:20 DeepGaze pre loading? 03:20 lordcirth VanessaE, basically, you run it's analyzer parallel with your boot, then it reorders all files that were read into 1 strip at the start of the HDD 03:20 VanessaE interesting 03:20 VanessaE sort of a file-level defrag util 03:20 lordcirth VanessaE, so you're entire boot I/O is continuous instead of random read 03:21 lordcirth VanessaE, takes 2-5 sec each boot, depending how much stuff you preload, then all that is in RAM. And it flies :) 03:21 DeepGaze what os's dose that apply to 03:21 lordcirth Linux 03:21 DeepGaze nice 03:21 lordcirth DeepGaze, it's ext4 03:22 DeepGaze *non- linux pro* 03:22 lordcirth It's especially awesome on laptop 5400 rpm drives, I hear. 1/3 boot time for some people 03:29 DeepGaze @vanessaE quick Q your home decor mod can you disable signs? (keeps causing signs to rotate and erase) 03:29 VanessaE "keeps causing signs to rotate and erase"? 03:29 VanessaE I've never had that happen before 03:29 VanessaE you sure someone isn't griefing with a screwdriver? 03:30 DeepGaze no on personal map (the deep life) 03:31 VanessaE you should be able to: rm signs_lib.lua; touch signs_lib.lua 03:31 VanessaE that should be enough to disable them 03:32 VanessaE they'll revert to regular wall signs and unknown nodes (yard signs aren't defined in minetest_game) 03:32 DeepGaze thanks it helps but where do i insert the text 03:32 VanessaE you don't insert that anywhere - you execute that from a command line while inside the homedecor folder. 03:32 DeepGaze ok thankyou 03:33 VanessaE you could do the equivalent with windows by loading the file into notepad, erasing the contents entirely, and re-saving the empty file 03:33 VanessaE I have not tested this 03:33 VanessaE so don't be surprised if that doesn't work :) 03:33 DeepGaze ubuntu is the best so i am fine 03:33 VanessaE ubuntu is good 03:34 DeepGaze the only negitive is a lack of good games (i was so glad to find minetest) 03:34 lordcirth DeepGaze, Ubuntu is nice, but I recommend Mint to most people 03:35 lordcirth DeepGaze, no games? Check out Steam's Linux page. I just spent an hour today playing DOTA 2 03:35 NekoGloop He said no -good- games ;) 03:35 DeepGaze i aviod steam due to no credit card :( 03:36 deltib minetest is great, but at this point I'm more interested in it from a developer perspective, rather than a gamer 03:36 lordcirth DeepGaze, DOTA 2 is f2p. Steam has some good f2p games 03:36 VanessaE DeepGaze: get a pre-paid debit card :) 03:36 NekoGloop Or steam gift cards 03:36 VanessaE exactly 03:36 deltib isn't there a total of like, 3 f2p games on steam for linux? 03:36 DeepGaze i can't i am 15 and my parents say no 03:36 VanessaE you can probably buy those at walmart now :) 03:37 NekoGloop Speaking of Steam, I have two "Spammer" Garry's Mod trading cards xD 03:37 deltib so, the issues is that you can't get buy linux games a brick and mortar stores? 03:37 lordcirth deltib, correct, 3 03:38 lordcirth deltib, but lots are $1-$3, so as long as you can send them money somehow, cost shouldn't be a problem 03:38 deltib well, there's a few free games around that aren't too bad, I think there's this open source minecraft clone if that's up your ally 03:38 NekoGloop You get TF2 03:38 NekoGloop :P 03:39 lordcirth DeepGaze, also there are lots of ppl who will gift you Steam games in exchange for Bitcoin. I bought 2 games that way myself 03:39 deltib there's TA Spring if you're into oldschool RTS games 03:40 NekoGloop http://youtu.be/HDAFivGsKX4 03:40 NekoGloop :3 03:40 deltib you'd have to GET some bitcoin first 03:40 DeepGaze ok i know a few non-steam goodies like red-eclipse 03:40 DeepGaze fps 03:40 lordcirth deltib, ya Balanced Annihilation is great. Also Zero-K but it's really hard 03:40 lordcirth DeepGaze, deltib also Warzone2100 - awesome RTS 03:41 deltib if only I weren't too afraid of being mocked for sucking to play online 03:41 lordcirth NekoGloop, TF2 is awesome too 03:41 * NekoGloop isn't on linux so this conversation is irrelevant 03:41 deltib tried to get warzone2100 on desura, but the whole thing seemed fairly broken 03:41 DeepGaze did you know pyro is a gay psycho 03:41 DeepGaze not lying 03:42 NekoGloop Yep. 03:42 DeepGaze game theroy 03:42 deltib what? so now liking ponies makes you gay? 03:42 DeepGaze mlp is awseome so no 03:42 NekoGloop deltib, hold a sec. 03:42 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_24zLyKdI 03:43 lordcirth deltib, why on desura? Just install it normally. ( = with package manager, if on Linux) 03:44 DeepGaze am i the ony one who wants Field of fire (vghs) 03:45 DeepGaze *only 03:45 deltib can't remember, might have been when I was using a debian distro on which nothing ever seem to work quite right, and was hoping desura would circumvent the issues 03:46 lordcirth deltib, must have been a very modified version of debian if it didn't work right :P 03:46 deltib nope 03:47 meepport hello 03:47 meepport i will not troll 03:47 DeepGaze you will 03:47 meepport no 03:48 DeepGaze then why say 03:48 meepport idk 03:49 lordcirth deltib, there's a new stable version of warzone since then, probably. 3.7 - big changes. You should check it out again 03:49 lordcirth Well that was a brief, and confusing, visit 03:49 DeepGaze anyone know about 4.8? 03:49 deltib not sure if I can afford to install anything from packages at the moment 03:49 lordcirth deltib, afford? 03:50 deltib harddrive space wise 03:50 lordcirth deltib, 80 MB 03:51 lordcirth although it might need deps 03:52 DeepGaze bye for now 03:53 deltib I'm using a fairly new install on the only partition I had free at the time a gigantic 7 gigs, and I've nearly filled it up already 03:54 deltib now if I could install it on my home partition 03:54 lordcirth deltib, 7 is a bit small, yeah. I usually partition 20-60 GB for the OS 03:55 lordcirth deltib, well, you can always download the latest source, and run it portable from a folder in ~/. Then you could get the latest dev version too :) 03:55 deltib the 7 gig one was from a long time ago, hadn't used it, and wanted to try out linux mint, now I can't be arsed trying to clear up a bigger partition for it 03:56 deltib that's what I do with minetest 03:56 lordcirth deltib, Always remember, the first Linux kernel booted from a 3MB HDD :) 03:57 deltib it depresses me that as our hardware get's more and more powerful we managed to make our software run just as poorly and leave just as few resources free 03:58 lordcirth deltib, "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster" 03:58 lordcirth deltib, but we do accomplish a lot more. The most efficient code could never have played a movie on that first machine. 03:59 deltib true, if there's one group of developers I believe really know how to write efficient code, it's the guys writing media codecs 04:00 deltib I should add "open source media codecs" to that 04:00 deltib I've only ever had bad experiences with commercial media software 04:03 lordcirth deltib, Xiph is working on a new video codec 04:04 deltib think I might have heard of that 04:04 Peacock ugh, the bar downstairs in playing salsa music 04:04 * Peacock retches 04:04 lordcirth Uses some new ideas, some formerly academic ideas. Should be cool 04:05 lordcirth Anyway, cya 04:10 VanessaE bbl 04:19 harrison but there is code now that not only would not have been possible to run on the hardware that used to exist 04:19 harrison but also did not exist as code 04:20 harrison even in someone's imagination 04:20 VanessaE there. 04:20 VanessaE show that stupid daemon who's boss. 04:20 VanessaE what FUCKING MORON decided that we should always default to nfs4? 04:21 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwAuhfz6vU 04:33 VanessaE sigh. I hate computers. 04:56 NekoGloop VanessaE, Wheatley did. 04:57 NekoGloop [/portal2reference] 04:59 NekoGloop In other news: Portal 2 is soooooo much longer than Portal 1 xD 05:01 VanessaE heh 05:01 NekoGloop I spent all day playing through both games in one session 05:02 NekoGloop I think it took me... 4 or 5 times as long to beat Portal 2 xD 07:36 sfan5 !op 07:36 sfan5 !deop 07:36 * VanessaE looks at sfan5... 07:36 * sfan5 looks at VanessaE... 07:37 VanessaE "bring your kitten to work day" ? 07:37 sfan5 yeah 07:37 sfan5 well.... 07:37 sfan5 !op 07:37 sfan5 !deop 07:38 VanessaE trying to beat JamesTait to the punch? ;) 07:38 sfan5 eh, no 07:38 * sfan5 is now afk: breakfast 07:39 VanessaE save me a donut :P 07:39 sfan5 I don't have donuts for breakfast ;) 07:39 VanessaE ok a waffle then :P 07:50 sfan5 I don't have waffles for breakfast 07:51 * sfan5 ate toast and cheese 07:51 VanessaE mmmm 08:59 xiong So... if I enter underground, exploring for the first time... the world does not exist until I see it, or at any rate, get close to it. 09:00 xiong So I wonder: Is it more likely that if I explore up that my lava lakes will have solid bottoms? 09:01 xiong My theory being, if I explore at some level, say, -5000; I may find it solid or full of lava source but it can't be full of a messy lavafall from a lava lake above... if I have not yet seen that level above. It hasn't been created yet. 09:02 xiong On the contradictory side, I suppose I can explore at -5000 and find it cold, go up to -4980 and see/create a lava lake above; and when I return to -5000, find it now full of a messy lavafall. 09:02 xiong What's the truth? 09:03 xiong Because I tell you, five klicks down, I'm getting tired of lava lakes with rotten bottoms. 09:08 * sfan5 is reading what was just said... 09:11 sfan5 xiong: the area gets generated when you are near 09:11 sfan5 in chunks(called MapBlocks) of 16x16x16 09:12 xiong Yes. So am I more likely to get a rotten bottom if I explore up or down? 09:16 sfan5 up 09:37 hoodedice I'm on Xubuntu atm 09:37 hoodedice Ah, the enjoyment of a 30 second boot 09:41 hoodedice Anyone? 09:41 * sfan5 09:43 hoodedice Linus Torvalds' latest : Headache: looking at intel CPU numbers. 09:43 hoodedice https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/7Dobu48Sxcp 09:43 hoodedice !title 09:43 MinetestBot hoodedice: Linus Torvalds - Google+ - Headache: looking at intel CPU numbers. Christ. How can a… 09:48 hoodedice Why don't we have octa core processors? 10:09 thexyz okay, wallpapers topic was not a good idea 10:30 xiong Do you make that statement empirically, sfan5, or do you generate it with a theory? 10:37 sfan5 xiong: empirically 10:39 Jordach hey sfan 10:46 sfan5 hi 10:46 Jordach fuck sakes hexchat: it keeps dying for no good reason 10:46 * Jordach now comes on the server 11:07 xiong Cool. Maybe I'll stop digging up, then. 11:08 Jordach xiong, not on yours 11:11 xiong Earlier, Jordach, sfan5 and I were talking about rotten bottoms to lava lakes. You know, a solid bottom and you can solidify it quickly, seal it off even if you don't want to work it, and move on. Rotten bottom, you got messy lavafalls tumbling down, maybe another twenty meters, maybe worse. 11:11 xiong If this was reality, one might just shrug that off and say some bottoms are solid, some rotten. But I was wondering if it mattered in which order you explored, because that determines the order of chunk generation. 11:14 xiong This concerns me since I set up camp at -5000. Sometimes it seems as if it's nearly all lava down here. 11:14 Jordach xiong, bring water 11:15 xiong Ho ho. I have an entire engineering practice on quenching lava. 11:15 xiong Our server is a bit difficult because buckets are banned; so I have to tote ice around and once placed, can't be taken up again. 11:16 Jordach Ice is stackable: Buckets arent. 11:16 xiong Also, I worry about the nightmare if multiple sources combine to generate more water sources. One could have a runaway and a huge flooded cavern with no way to bail it out. 11:16 xiong So, controlled quenching. 11:17 xiong The thing about a bucket, though, is you can place the source, let it do its stuff, and move it one or ten meters across. 11:18 xiong I'm not complaining; ice is cheap and we don't have noobs running around pouring lava on our builds. 11:19 Jordach hey PilzAdam 11:19 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:19 Exio4 PonyAdam! 11:21 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Exio4's head 11:21 Calinou -_- 11:21 sfan5 wait wrong button 11:21 * sfan5 puts Rainbow Dash on Exio4's head 11:21 * Calinou puts a ban on his head 11:22 jin_xi hello everybody! 11:22 * Jordach throws a kitten at Exio4 11:22 PilzAdam Princess Exio4! 11:22 Exio4 sfan5: nuu 11:22 * Exio4 throws the kitten back at Jordach 11:22 * Jordach throws a kitten at Exio4 11:23 Exio4 PilzAdam: Rainbow Adam :> 11:23 * sfan5 throws a kitten at PilzAdam 11:23 * PilzAdam places his kittine on the channel sofa 11:23 PilzAdam -e 11:23 sfan5 kitten* 11:23 PilzAdam ^ 11:23 PilzAdam too early, cant type 11:23 sfan5 its 13:23 11:23 Jordach EARLY!?!?! 11:23 Jordach yeah right 11:24 Jordach i'm less lazy than PilzAdam 11:24 * sfan5 buys a channel television and activates it 11:24 * Jordach is impossible to get out of bed 11:24 Jordach (that's because memory foam bitches) 11:24 Exio4 8:24AM here 11:28 Peacock i'm less lazy than PilzAdam -- doesn't PA go to school? 11:28 * PilzAdam gives Evergreen a virtual cookie 11:28 Evergreen Lol, thanks 11:28 PilzAdam Peacock, not anymore, I finished school some months ago 11:29 Peacock HS/college/uni? 11:29 Peacock (or whatever their equivalents) :P 11:30 Exio4 uni! 11:30 PilzAdam Ill go to uni in October 11:31 Peacock not bad, a heckuvalot more secure too 11:31 Peacock so long as its not liberal arts XD 11:32 Peacock 'cuz starbucks will still hire people w/o a liberal arts degree XD 11:33 Peacock my sister went into chem engineering, she had a job offer 1 yr before finishing 11:36 Peacock i would have done computers but then dotcom bubble burst and the pay's not nearly as good now 11:55 Calinou it usually is good enough 11:55 Calinou and it depends where you work 11:55 Calinou (a lot) 11:56 Peacock i sure as shit didn't want to be a sysadmin or network admin lol 11:56 Peacock just setting up network printers at UPS stores was a pain in the arse lol 12:03 Jordach Calinou, LogoSkyBlock server now 12:04 Calinou meh, no 12:07 Jordach /rainbow https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104958#p104958 12:07 Jordach Evergreen, ^ 12:07 Evergreen Saw it already 12:07 Evergreen :D 12:07 Jordach brb - drawing a slice of cake in notepad++ 12:10 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104958#p104958 12:10 Jordach added cake 12:11 PilzAdam lol 12:11 Jordach my skills in ascii art isnt as good as it used to be 12:12 Jordach PilzAdam, come down to the LogoSkyBlock, you might be interested :P 12:12 PilzAdam I ragequited yesterday 12:13 PilzAdam I lost a nyancat, several cobble stacks and full diamond gear due to a bug with the meta in bones 12:14 Jordach \o/ 12:19 Jordach i also finished the Sam II statue 12:21 Evergreen The Sam II statue looks awesome! 12:22 Evergreen Also, the bones remind me that I need to make texture for them in minetest-faithful 12:33 Jordach btw, sfan5: MinetestBot added to the castle render 12:33 sfan5 yey 12:33 Jordach if you want a custom pose: ask me 12:34 Jordach the castle model isnt a exact replica of the in-game one (i estimated the far off tower and keep) 12:36 Jordach Calinou, you want to use the yellow shirted Sam in the castle rendewr 12:36 Jordach -w 12:37 Calinou yes? 12:37 Jordach Calinou, i'm making a render of PilzAdam's castle with all of use LogoSkyBlock players 12:39 sfan5 PilzAdam: well.. then you could try to fix the bug with meta in bones 12:40 Jordach NOOO NOOO 12:40 Jordach dont crash blender!! 12:41 Jordach it crashed 12:41 * Jordach forgot to save 12:41 Evergreen Ragequit? 12:42 Jordach blender died on me 12:42 Jordach :( 12:42 * PenguinDad thinks that LogoSkyBlock brings everything to crash. 12:42 Evergreen PilzAdam: it isn't that hard to get back diamonds, and you have enough nyancats as it is 12:42 Evergreen Also, don't bring stuff like that with you 12:42 Evergreen just bring cobble + stone pick 12:51 Peacock parts of the map flickering in and out is driving me nuts lol any settings i can change? 13:56 sdzen hmmm my kitten left quite abit of hair on my keyboard..... 13:56 Peacock better than poop in a shoe :p 13:57 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwAuhfz6vU 13:57 Evergreen I just pull requested something in the minetest_game. I made it so nyan cat rainbows finally take advantage of facedir. :P 14:12 pitriss Please is there anybody who have problem with technic sonic scredriver? it is crashing clients when used... 14:27 iqualfragile pitriss: are you aware that it does not do wood? 14:29 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Dont crash if facedir > 23 56b9377c1c 2013-08-10T07:26:02-07:00 http://git.io/uezz0w 14:29 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Dont download modstore info if its isnt needed 0d60bc55e4 2013-08-10T04:35:38-07:00 http://git.io/KNDQiA 14:29 pitriss iqualfragile: so when i use it on wood then client will crash? 14:32 lordcirth iqualfragile, does it actually not do wood, or you just using the dr who joke? 14:34 pitriss iqualfragile: i just used sonic screwdriver on wooden trunk stair and my client crashed.. 15:06 Peacock lol more trouble in Northern Ireland, seems the english are as much a nuisance there as they are in Quebec XD 15:29 Prestotron562_ sfan5 I need you 15:30 Peacock bow chika bow wow :P 15:30 Prestotron562_ Anybody know how to compile on Windows? 15:30 Peacock :S i hear msvc is oodles of fun 15:33 Prestotron562_ ... 15:35 Peacock http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Compiling_on_Windows 15:36 Niften_ Heyo. 15:37 Niften_ sfan5 : Thanks for everything ^^ 15:37 sfan5 no problem 15:40 Prestotron562_ Ikr Niften 15:47 thexyz iqualfragile: wait, are you sure moddb is production ready? 15:48 thexyz how about all those django error emails? 15:48 iqualfragile django error emails? 15:48 iqualfragile you never tolt me anything about django error emails 15:48 iqualfragile and: not production ready but beta 16:00 Peacock lol griefer said "it wasn't me, my daughter was on!" 16:00 Peacock i somehow doubt an adult would write their username in all caps 16:01 rubenwardy Hi all 16:06 FreeFull pitriss: The wood thing was a reference to a TV show 16:07 pitriss FreeFull: ah.. 16:07 Peacock Everyone Loves Wood (the spinoff to Everyone Loves Raymond) :p 16:08 iqualfragile Peacock: well, Doctor Who actualy 16:09 Peacock ugh, a season and a half of that and i was already sick of the daleks 16:09 Peacock the ugliest zambonis ever lol 16:10 Peacock and i thought star trek relied too much on deus ex machina 16:12 Peacock i thought doctor who's depiction of americans comical at least, same cramped flats as london, everyone wearing red,white blue and junk food wrappers everywhere lol 16:12 Peacock totally stereotypical 16:16 rubenwardy Whenever I try to open hex chat, it just closes. 16:16 PenguinDad rubenwardy: use WeeChat instead :P 16:20 rubenwardy Works now! 16:21 Peacock xchat likes to random disconnect me lol 16:22 Peacock ill just assume its a feature XD 16:22 PenguinDad That's why I use WeeChat :P 16:22 Peacock before xchat the last time i used an irc client was mirc in the 90s lol 16:23 rubenwardy At least the IRC client war is not as bad as the OS war 16:23 Peacock for there to be an irc client war there would have to be more than just geeks using it lol 16:23 PilzAdam webchat in the client war is like windows in the OS war 16:24 Peacock your saying webchat has market dominance? 16:24 PilzAdam no, I say everyone makes fun of it 16:24 Peacock well theres no shortage of people to make fun of linux and macos too lol 16:25 Peacock ever read linuxhaters' blog? lol 16:25 Peacock or the numerous apple memes lol 16:35 FreeFull I use irssi 16:36 iqualfragile quasses is quite stable 16:36 iqualfragile quassel 16:36 PenguinDad Never tried irssi but I'm satisfied WeeChat 16:37 FreeFull I tried weechat but I wasn't able to make it sufficiently irssi-like 16:39 * Tesseract has used irssi, uses quassel currenly. 16:39 thexyz TIL worldedit is AGPL 16:39 thexyz shiiit 16:40 Peacock TIL? 16:40 Peacock not short for 'until'? 16:40 Tesseract Today I Learned. 16:40 thexyz yeah 16:40 Peacock aaah 16:41 Tesseract thexyz: You should add that to the logs if you can. 16:41 PenguinDad This is Life 16:41 sfan5 thexyz: whats so bad about AGPL? 16:42 Peacock license war! :P 16:43 lordcirth sfan5, maybe he was running a custom version on his server? He'd technically be in violation if he didn't publish the code 16:43 Tesseract sfan5: More kittens already? (/topic) 16:43 sfan5 Tesseract: yes 16:43 Peacock since when are people obliged to publish the mods they run on their servers? 16:43 iqualfragile agpl is quite a good idea for mods running on a server 16:44 iqualfragile since mods are using agpl 16:44 Peacock well good luck enforcing that :p 16:44 iqualfragile lordcirth: no, thats not true: he would just be violating it if he would not publish it upon request 16:44 Tesseract I run quite a few custom/heavily modified unpublished mods on my server. 16:44 sfan5 iqualfragile: are you a lawyer? ;) 16:45 iqualfragile no, but i can read 16:45 iqualfragile no offense 16:45 * sfan5 can read too 16:45 Peacock so you're gonna go around forcing people to publish mods? lol nazi much 16:45 Tesseract I did modify WE, but nobody asked for it. :-) (Just /pos1/2 [x y z|x,y,z]) 16:46 iqualfragile Peacock: hey, i feel offended by your statement 16:46 thexyz Tesseract: fortunately, I don't 16:46 thexyz and I probably won't now 16:46 Peacock sorry, true its mostly commies who force you to give up things 16:47 iqualfragile thats the good part about beenig german: you can be upset about nazi jokes 16:47 Peacock when theyre directed at germans, my comments are directed at people who would force others to publish shit, regardless where they come from 16:48 thexyz Tesseract: I wonder if you're now obliged to publish all your mods sources 16:48 thexyz IANAL 16:48 Peacock though seriously, which student/welfare recipient is going to hire a lawyer and enforce that? 16:49 * sfan5 not 16:49 iqualfragile no need to hire a lawyer 16:49 iqualfragile you can just tell the fsf 16:49 Tesseract Nope, although I don't mind it if others see my code... 16:49 Peacock good luck, enjoy your time with the anal brigade lol 16:49 iqualfragile or hire a lawyer and get back your money when you win 16:50 iqualfragile Tesseract: you are not required to publish all your sources, just the agpl-licensed ones on request 16:50 Peacock last person who tried to hire a lawyer on me won and still lost lol 16:50 sfan5 lawl, a directory has a size of 133,7 KB 16:51 Tesseract iqualfragile: I don't have the WE modification any more, so that means I have nothing. 16:52 lordcirth sfan5, the mese pick had 1337 uses, last I checked 16:52 Peacock though the minute you get litigants involved with MT, kiss your modding community goodbye lol 16:53 Peacock lesson for everyone: rename all your mods to totally obscene things :p 16:54 Peacock aside, if youre ticked off that people dont publish their mods or mod-modifications, look inward for the cause :p 16:55 Peacock cuz most people would rather delete what they have than put up with those antics lol 16:57 iqualfragile as most mods are wtfpl anyways there is no problem 16:57 Peacock so whats the point in telling people theyre obliged to do anything? haven't you guys lost enough people? 16:58 Peacock if someone wants to publish a mod derived from something else and they screw with the license, thats one thing, and you'd be right 16:58 Peacock but what people run on their servers and whether they share it or not, is none of your bloody business lol 16:59 iqualfragile it is if the mod is agpl licensed 16:59 Peacock you dont host the servers 16:59 Peacock theyre private 17:00 Peacock the fact that they're anounced to an external list doesn't change that 17:00 Peacock i could just as well share an adress with select people 17:00 iqualfragile it does not matter 17:01 iqualfragile as long as anybody can join the server is public 17:01 Peacock its hosted on people's computers, on their connections, and they can boot you any time 17:01 iqualfragile does not matter 17:02 Peacock i dont think you have a leg to stand on if you think you can force the admin to publish whats on their hard drives 17:02 Peacock and they'd prolly delete long before "you won" if the FSF didn't laugh at you from the start 17:02 lordcirth Peacock, the AGPL states that if you run derivative works accessible to the public over a network, you must publish the code. 17:03 lordcirth It's designed to prevent the software-as-a-service loophole to normal FOSS licenses 17:03 Peacock so you'd go to the FSF, with the end result being another server killed, another member quit, and you'd still probably wouldn't get the source? 17:04 Calinou le drama 17:04 Peacock i think its been proven that most people given the choice will wreck their work rather than give in to freetards lol 17:04 * Calinou puts pyrovision goggles and watches. 17:04 Calinou Peacock: tip of the day: don't call people "retards". ever. 17:04 Peacock tell that to pilzadam:p 17:04 lordcirth Peacock, "freetards" are among the reason minetest exists 17:05 sdzen I wouldn't call c55 a freetard 17:05 Peacock yeah but i doubt celeron is as extreme as some of you guys 17:06 lordcirth Peacock, but he realized that making it FOSS was the right thing to do. 17:06 Peacock thank god i only derive wtfpl, but id love to see you guys make a case out of some admin running modified agpl and then wonder "why are we losing people" lol 17:07 sdzen http://www.8dromeda.net/ternadim.html 17:07 thexyz Peacock: please read AGPL description 17:07 Peacock Tesseract you gonna publish, or delete? 17:07 sdzen "Once finished to version 1, Ternadim will be sold as pay-what-you-want. You will get an online key if you pay $1 or more." 17:07 lordcirth Peacock, if the admin was reasonable he'd just release the source when it was pointed out. I wouldn't go to court unless his service was harmful. 17:08 sdzen not a full fledged freetard 17:08 Peacock if people don't publish mods its because you people are anal about everything 17:08 Peacock if you have to resort to the FSF it kinda proves it 17:08 iqualfragile Peacock: please calm down a bit 17:09 thexyz no one said they're going to "resort to the FSF" 17:09 iqualfragile no need to insult people 17:09 Peacock truth hurts 17:09 iqualfragile i just told you what the license states 17:09 lordcirth Peacock, nobody's being anal about anything, except you. You're the one who turned a request for source code into an argument about going to court. 17:09 Peacock i didn't bring out license obligations 17:09 Peacock that kinda implies lawyers and courts no? 17:10 thexyz there also was no request for source code 17:11 Peacock everytime a group of people drive someone nuts, they trash all their work, and you still don't get it lol 17:11 Tesseract Peacock: Hmmm? I deleted the WE modification, it isn't necesary anymore. 17:11 Peacock see ^ 17:12 Peacock i tried publishing mods but you guys make it no fun at all, i'd rather run a server for those reasons lol 17:12 Peacock at least with a server, i get people using instead of deriving and deriding 17:12 Tesseract Peacock: I didn't want to keep it up to date with git and /fixedpos was added. (Trying to change that to /pos1..) 17:12 iqualfragile Peacock: i realy have no idea what your problem is 17:13 pitriss VanessaE: Please is possible to add locked doors in homedecor mod? 17:14 Peacock iqualfragile what riles me up is this ideology that you can force or trick people into being more open 17:14 iqualfragile i do not see anybody forcing anybody to do anything 17:14 Peacock argue to death then 17:14 iqualfragile you are free to just ignore any software which was a license you dont like 17:15 iqualfragile s/was/has/ 17:15 Peacock even the FSF doesn't have a clear answer on the consequences of relicensing GPL works 17:16 Peacock its never been tested 17:16 nore_ about licenses, did you know that the guys from crevis distribute a modified minetest withiut the source? 17:16 Peacock so telling people their obliged to do anything as per license conditions is abit misleading 17:16 Calinou nore_: they didn't modify the source 17:16 Calinou the crevis guys asked us how to compile... 17:16 nore_ didn't they? 17:17 PilzAdam nore_, we checked the hash of the .exe 17:17 nore_ ok 17:17 PenguinDad PilzAdam: SHA512? 17:17 nore_ but is there a link on their website? 17:17 PilzAdam md5sum AFAIK 17:18 PenguinDad I only trust SHA512 17:18 PilzAdam nore_, chill, the people of that "company" are 13 and 14 years old and dont really know what they do 17:18 nore_ and are the licenses of the mods they put ok fo 17:18 nore_ r it? 17:18 PilzAdam PenguinDad, you want to continue the license war with a hash algorithm war? :-p 17:19 nore_ PilzAdam, that is indeed a bit young 17:19 PenguinDad nope :P 17:19 PilzAdam the funny thing is that they blame each other 17:19 PilzAdam they originally havent planned to use the Minetest engine at all 17:19 Peacock i thought they were the same person 17:19 Calinou nore_: age has nothing to do with maturity 17:19 Calinou or technical knowledge 17:19 iqualfragile Calinou: it has 17:19 iqualfragile not directly 17:20 PenguinDad Peacock: i thought that too 17:20 iqualfragile but there cant be a 3 year old having my techical knowledge 17:20 Peacock everytime one of them screws up they blame the other, sure sounds like double personas lol 17:20 Calinou to an extent 17:20 Peacock not that that's new here 17:20 iqualfragile PenguinDad: in this case the hashing algorythm does not realy matter 17:21 nore_ Calinou, I already programmed when I was that age, but not that much 17:21 PenguinDad s/algorythm/algorithm 17:21 PenguinDad iqualfragile: i know :P 17:21 sfan5 lets use SHA8192 instead of SHA512 17:22 Calinou SHA16777216 17:23 iqualfragile sfan5: there is no such thing 17:23 PenguinDad iqualfragile: at the moment not but ... 17:23 sfan5 iqualfragile: wasn't it obvious it was a joke 17:24 iqualfragile i know that it was a joke 17:25 iqualfragile i mean: everybody knows that sha will be broken in a few years so i strongly doubt that there will be an sha8192 17:26 sfan5 what 'bout sha3? 17:31 Peacock sha = pauley shore lol 17:47 iqualfragile damn, i lost the game 17:47 Peacock defeat or lost lost? 17:48 iqualfragile lost lost 17:48 Peacock how did that happen? (accidental delete?) 17:48 iqualfragile there is not realy a way to defeat 17:48 Peacock ahh okay defeat lost lol 17:48 iqualfragile oh… yes, sorry 17:48 iqualfragile english skills^^ 17:49 Peacock its a second lang to most of us lol 17:50 * Kacey just happened to bring a kitten today 17:50 Peacock im sure nekogloop could use a few more 17:50 NekoGloop yay 17:51 Peacock must be up to his ears in cat litter tho 17:51 iqualfragile fuck, you highlighted him 17:51 NekoGloop Bring-your-kitten-to-#minetest-day? 17:51 Kacey but i fixed the kitten generator a while back... ooh ya silent evil... nvm 17:51 NekoGloop But, I'm always here? 17:53 Kacey "Page 404 Not Found" I wasn't even looking for page 404. 17:53 VanessaE hi all 17:54 sfan5 hi 17:54 iqualfragile hi 17:54 PenguinDad hello vanessa 17:54 VanessaE pitriss: if you wanna make a pull request for it, sure, but we already have locked steel doors 17:56 sfan5 http://news.techeye.net/security/apple-patents-tech-to-let-cops-switch-off-iphone-video-camera-and-wi-fi 17:56 sfan5 pff! I write my own phone os then 17:57 Kacey My version of computer troubleshooting is to threaten it verbally until it works correctly. 17:57 * Kacey thinks that a clean house is a sign of no Internet connection 17:58 Peacock too many embarassing cop videos in N.A. 17:59 Peacock though increasingly people in canada are buying dashcams to beat bogus tickets, harder to turn those off 18:03 webdesigner97 hi 18:03 webdesigner97 I finally managed to bring my StreetsMod to GitHub :D 18:04 Peacock i still can't get github to record the football game :/ 18:07 sfan5 "All the coppers have to do is decide that a public gathering or venue is deemed "sensitive" [...] the police can then get on with the very difficult task of kettling protesters without having to worry about a few beating anyone to death." 18:07 VanessaE webdesigner97: cloned. :) 18:08 VanessaE git is so much easier, ain't it? :) 18:08 Peacock well they already beat journalists who are present at these things so it comes as no surprise lol 18:08 sfan5 raspberry pi with 1080p camera FTW 18:09 webdesigner97 I didn't do much with it yet. But I think it was a good decision 18:10 Peacock camcorders are getting to be cheaper than cellphones 18:10 Peacock and the firmware isn't nearly as universal as android or iphone 18:12 sfan5 there is nothing universal about camcorders 18:12 Peacock though having met a few regular protesters, some of them could use a dash of reality-baton lol 18:12 sfan5 maybe the PCB it contains, but not much more 18:12 Peacock its easy to trash someone else's city 18:12 Peacock when you dont have to live there 18:13 Kacey bbl 18:13 pitriss VanessaE: eh I'm not familiar with minetest developement..:) and yes, i see there are steel doors, but they are just ugly... 18:18 VanessaE webdesigner97: you should add a "browse the code" link below "Download: Github" 18:19 webdesigner97 well, why not :D 18:19 VanessaE (just point it to https://github.com/webdesigner97/streets/ ) 18:20 VanessaE (that's right, I'm trying to set a standard here, G*ddamnit :-) ) 18:20 webdesigner97 done 18:20 webdesigner97 (I know the URI) ;) 18:20 VanessaE :) 18:21 webdesigner97 maybe I should try to fix the bug you mentioned 18:21 webdesigner97 And I have an idea for why it might happen.... 18:27 webdesigner97 maybe I should just remove buildable_to 18:28 VanessaE that would probably do it 18:30 webdesigner97 done, commiting now :D 18:32 webdesigner97 done 18:35 iqualfragile_ webdesigner97: you should add your mod to mmdb 18:49 Peacock jesus this cloud pattern on a tower is taking long - 3k+ nodes lol 18:54 nore_ sfan5, could you put the code of your additionnal nodes in LogoSkyBlock somewhere? 18:56 sfan5 nore_: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/autoblockbreaker.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/crushingfurnace.zip http://shadowninja.minetest.net/logger.tgz 18:58 nore_ thanks 18:59 webdesigner97 back 19:00 webdesigner97 iqualfragile_: Already did that 19:01 iqualfragile_ great 19:01 webdesigner97 https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mod/20/ 19:01 webdesigner97 When will the version be approved/how does that work? 19:04 iqualfragile_ a moderator takes a look at the mod 19:04 iqualfragile_ if eververything is allright it will be approved 19:05 webdesigner97 ah, ok :) thx 19:05 Calinou "NC" :slowclap 19:07 iqualfragile_ nc? 19:08 Calinou non-commercial 19:08 iqualfragile_ ah, the mods license 19:09 Peacock with the advent of crevis NC gains new pertinence :p 19:09 webdesigner97 it was the output of http://creativecommons.org/choose/ :D 19:09 Calinou Peacock: or not 19:09 Calinou non-commercial prevents your work from getting more popular 19:09 iqualfragile_ webdesigner97: cc licenses are more art-oriented 19:10 Calinou NC suck 19:10 Calinou +s 19:10 Peacock if mod authors thought they could make money off their mods, theyd try to sell them themselves 19:10 Peacock i dont get it, microsoft is evil, google is evil, but NC sucks? 19:10 webdesigner97 art? Well, the textures are the art :D 19:10 Calinou well at least you're not using ND 19:11 iqualfragile_ … actualy you are right: your mod has quite low ammounts of scripts 19:11 Peacock basically you want to be allowed to sell stuff, but others should give theirs away :P 19:11 iqualfragile_ allso: please change the basename to "streetsmod" 19:11 Calinou why forbid commercial use if you're giving away your work for free? 19:11 webdesigner97 no, that's wrong 19:11 Calinou also, if I were iqualfragile_ I wouldn't allow non-free mods. 19:11 Calinou else, Minetest may be removed from the main debian/ubuntu repos 19:12 webdesigner97 the basename is streets. It's the node prefix 19:12 Peacock because youre being asked to give them away in the first place to share them with minetest, why allow commercial use under such terms? 19:12 Calinou people selling them must add a plus-value, else they won't sell it. 19:12 Calinou noone would buy it. 19:12 Peacock last i checked, minetest in the repos dont come with all mods 19:12 Calinou it works like that 19:12 Calinou Peacock: but it links to them 19:13 Peacock i still dont get it, you want content creators to be limited to oss licenses, but you also want the right to earn profit off their mods 19:13 Calinou an OSS license always allows commercial use 19:13 Calinou also, allowing commercial use doesn't mean you will use it commercially... this is actually very rare 19:14 Peacock but what is the point in say, someone trying to sell their mods to minetest-community, if you force them to opensource everything? 19:14 Calinou you're allowed to sell Red Eclipse content for an example. noone does it. 19:15 Peacock the way i think is, if i was forced to opensource everything, then im giving it away, and i dont see why anyone should be able to commercialize them 19:15 Peacock basically leaving the door open to MT itself re-licensing and commercializing 19:15 Calinou people wouldn't do that 19:16 Calinou relicensing Minetest iself isn't (always) possible, iirc 19:16 Calinou and commercializing is OK 19:16 Peacock well if they wouldn't do that why does it matter that they use NC? 19:16 Calinou no plus-value? too bad, they aren't going to sell it. 19:16 Calinou actual plus-value? then they're going to sell it, and it gives publicity to minetest. 19:16 Peacock well no matter what license mt uses, im pretty sure celeron is the copyright holder? 19:16 Peacock and can relicense what he wrote at will 19:17 Calinou Peacock: because it's still non-free 19:17 Calinou and non-free doesn't only mean "selling", it also means putting it on a website with ads, or such 19:17 iqualfragile_ aye: nc is a bit problematic for server-owners who want to ask players for a fee to rent the server 19:17 Peacock you could argue that anything developed in france is non-free, since authors have more rights there than in say america 19:18 Peacock hence why VLC had to ask each and every french contributor before they could re-license 19:18 Peacock and why one dev was able to get it pulled from ios app market 19:18 Peacock id call that pretty non-free 19:19 Peacock iqualfragile before we start renting servers, we need more non-griefing players, and more stable free servers :p 19:19 Peacock we dont have that many 24/7 servers 19:20 Calinou proprietary app stores are open to such stuff :P 19:20 Peacock well exactly, one french dev decided ios appmarket wasn't free enough, got VLC pulled and deprived *all* it's users of their rights (the defintion of opensource) 19:21 Peacock *its 19:21 Peacock adding to the fact that many licenses havent been tested in a legal sense, the laws are different from country to contry 19:21 Peacock *country 19:21 Calinou no, apple removed it 19:21 Peacock uhm, no, 19:22 Calinou they don't want open source apps 19:22 Calinou at all 19:22 Peacock apple didn't pull it 19:22 Calinou at least, google allows it. 19:22 Peacock a dev complained 19:22 iqualfragile_ no, apples appstore colides with the gpl 19:22 iqualfragile_ so vlc had to remove it 19:22 Peacock http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1943202/vlc-for-ios-returns-on-july-19-rewritten-and-fully-open-sourced 19:23 Peacock read the comments 19:23 Calinou oh 19:23 Peacock so yeah, some devs in some countries have more rights, and can deprive users of theirs, id call it non-free lol 19:23 Peacock freedom being very subjective IMO 19:25 webdesigner97 gtg now. Bye all. 19:25 Peacock nite 19:25 webdesigner97 VanessaE: Made a release to 1.3.3 to bring the fix to the people. Thanks for reporting the bug ;) 19:28 iqualfragile_ ok, 0.4.7& 0.4.8 added to mmdb 19:29 VanessaE no prob 19:32 thexyz well iOS sucks anyway, and VLC won't help 19:33 Peacock doesnt alter the fact that according to french law they had to withdraw the app because of 1 dev 19:33 Peacock (who made the request after finding employment at nokia) 19:35 thexyz they had to remove the app because GPL doesn't work with app store 19:35 thexyz IIRC there's a limit of devices app can be installed on 19:36 thexyz but it's not like I care anyway 19:36 Peacock theres more than just the slashdot article detailing exactly what happened 19:37 thexyz maybe, I didn't read it 19:37 Peacock then id suggest reading it before making wishful assumptions 19:38 thexyz reading what? 19:39 Peacock http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1943202/vlc-for-ios-returns-on-july-19-rewritten-and-fully-open-sourced 19:39 Peacock + the comments (first few are most pertinent) 19:39 Peacock VLC didn't change licenses because they felt like it, they did it to prevent such a thing from happening again 19:40 thexyz > The most obvious conflict between the App Store and the GPL is the third freedom – "the freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor." 19:40 thexyz I think I got it right 19:40 thexyz I never said they "change licenses because they felt like it," 19:40 Peacock One of the VLC devs requested to have it removed because of licensing after said developer was hired by Nokia. 19:40 Peacock Note that same developer has not complained over VLC being distributed for Nokia phones under similar conditions with Apple's AppStore. 19:41 thexyz well, I don't anything wrong in what he has done (apart from being an asshole) 19:41 Peacock Yeah, lets be clear about this apparently... 19:41 Peacock The Dev in question happens to work for a competing phone manufacturer 19:41 Peacock The developer's name is Rémi Denis-Courmont [1], and while he's the lead developer for the VLC app, also worked for Nokia at the time, and thus the conflict of interest in his revocation of VLC iOS app. 19:42 thexyz what's your point? 19:42 Peacock the GPL was used/abused to accomplish the opposite of what it's intended 19:43 thexyz and what's GPL indended for? 19:43 Peacock isn't all opensource to protect the end users rights? 19:43 thexyz wait, you're not answerring the question 19:45 Peacock you're the expert, you explain 19:45 Peacock the arguments seem to change depending on whether the advocates benefit from it 19:46 thexyz I've never said I'm "the expert" 19:46 Peacock well you support it? 19:47 thexyz I support what? 19:47 Peacock the fucking GPL, can't you read? 19:47 thexyz it's hard to talk with you because what you think I "read" and what I think I "read" are two different things 19:48 Peacock we are talking about the GPL 19:48 thexyz okay, yes, I support the GPL 19:48 Peacock you asked me to explain, i think others here consider themselves the expert 19:48 Peacock if you support it, then you must know more than someone like me who thinks all these licenses are pseudo-legal jokes like the "freemen of the land" tax-dodging movement 19:49 FreeFull Peacock: You can use the node saple tool on plants 19:49 Peacock thats fine 19:49 thexyz I'd prefer all software to be open source 19:50 FreeFull But that means you only ever need to grow one plant 19:50 Peacock so would RMS but we can't all sell support and fridge magnets 19:51 thexyz Peacock: I've never said I'm "expert" 19:51 Peacock my apologies, but i always assuming the advocates know more about this stuff than me 19:51 iqualfragile_ yes we can 19:51 Peacock *assume 19:51 thexyz I think marktraceur is, more or less 19:51 thexyz talk to him next time 19:51 iqualfragile_ yes he is 19:51 iqualfragile_ and i still have no idea what your problem is 19:51 Peacock marktraceur is biased, he's one of the very few who earns a living from it 19:52 thexyz does he? 19:52 Peacock its easy to say others should work for free when you're already paid up lol 19:52 Peacock according to him 19:52 Calinou he's an admin at wikimedia foundation 19:52 thexyz who did say "others should work for free"? 19:52 Peacock anyone who thinks all software should be opensource? 19:53 Peacock short memory today? 19:53 thexyz > I work for the Wikimedia Foundation as a Software Engineer. 19:53 thexyz oh, I see 19:53 Calinou Peacock: it should be open source whenever possible 19:53 Peacock well, shouldn't he be giving his services away? 19:53 Calinou that is, often, when it is free as in price 19:53 ruskie Peacock, open source/free software does not exclude commercial distribution of said software 19:53 thexyz Peacock: why does that mean "others should work for free"? 19:53 thexyz I don't see the connection 19:54 Peacock i dont hate opensource, but think *all* software should be opensource is absurd 19:54 thexyz (feel free to insult me on this one) 19:54 ruskie and again as the copyright holder of said software you are free to provide both an open source and a paid for version easily 19:54 ruskie considering it's how mysql has worked for year 19:54 ruskie s 19:54 thexyz it is, it's like utopia 19:54 Peacock and how much software have you manage to sell while simultaneously giving away the source? 19:54 Calinou "you"? I don't write software 19:55 Peacock obviously, if you did you want to eat 19:55 Calinou if you were to make a game: you can make it open source, and sell the art 19:55 ruskie Peacock, apparently enough that companies work based on it 19:55 Calinou that is how id software sells some of their games, and it works 19:55 thexyz Peacock: I don't know, I think marktraceur earns some $$$ yet mediawiki is opensource 19:55 ruskie of course it doesn't work for everyone 19:55 Peacock you mean redhat and canonical? 19:55 PenguinDad Peacock: see DOOM 19:55 ruskie Peacock, no those just repack 19:56 Peacock and dyou really think the top talent would stick around if they couldn't earn off what they produce? 19:56 Peacock theyd prolly be working at wall street instead 19:56 Calinou proprietary coders are often worse than OSS coders, in terms of code quality 19:56 Calinou if that's what you talking about :P 19:57 ruskie anyway I see you are biasing this towards earning from open source software which is not what everyone does... belive it or not some people code it just for the hell of it 19:57 thexyz Peacock: you just insulted all people who earn by coding open source products, didn't you? 19:57 Calinou they rarely care about it 19:57 Peacock Calinou> proprietary coders are often worse than OSS coders 19:57 Peacock wow 19:57 Peacock lol 19:57 Calinou s/often/sometimes/ 19:58 Peacock thats why everyone runs nouveau :p 19:58 ruskie considering some of the commits I've seen at work I can agree with Calinou 19:58 Peacock well theres a huge diff between hobbyist/unemployed programmers and professional programmers 19:58 thexyz I doubt Calinou himself has seen proprietary software's code 19:58 Calinou i haven't 19:58 ruskie but they atleast have an excuse of pressure from management to bring the product to market fast 19:58 Peacock the hobbyist doesn't care whether he earns, the unemployed are padding their CV, and the professionals need to eat 19:59 iqualfragile_ Peacock: nouveau is not an apropriate example, if you do some research you would know why 19:59 iqualfragile_ now please stfu, you are annoying the hell out of me 19:59 Peacock lol 19:59 Calinou nouveau is reverse engineering, and knowing how nvidia does their linux driver, they aren't necessarily worse in terms of code quality :P 19:59 Peacock then leave 19:59 ruskie Peacock, I'm all for having all types of code around... there's room for it all 19:59 Peacock thats what i think 19:59 Peacock but not what the advocates believe 19:59 ruskie I'm still an advocate of GPL 20:00 Peacock before all software being free, you might wanna work towards making actual life-essentials free, like rent and food 20:00 svuorela ...at least participation in OSS has made me write better code. 20:00 iqualfragile_ Peacock: no, i will not leave, but i want you to take this discussion to #flamewars and let us discuss minetest in #minetest 20:00 ruskie and RMS is only against propriteray shrinkwrap... he sees no probs with custom coding for customers 20:00 ruskie Peacock, you start where you can 20:00 Peacock iqualfragile so long as you want to discuss licenses and opensource, im going to have a POV, deal with it 20:00 Calinou Peacock: that is impossibler 20:00 Calinou -r 20:00 Calinou you can't make hardware or food free 20:01 iqualfragile_ Calinou: that is not entirely true 20:01 Peacock but devs don't need to eat? 20:01 Calinou except if you're losing money in the process :P 20:01 Peacock devs have to pay for rent and food 20:01 Calinou Peacock: see facebook. 20:01 iqualfragile_ Peacock: why do you care? you are not a developer 20:01 Calinou the thing is entirely free, yet the developers get to eat. 20:01 Calinou if they started distributing a phone for free, they probably would run bankrupt. 20:02 Peacock i make websites for cash 20:02 ruskie good for you 20:02 Peacock rather than relying on welfare/loans/parents 20:02 ruskie I do sysadmin work for a living and help out where I can with open source projects 20:02 Calinou you're again insulting people... 20:03 ruskie one does not exclude the other 20:03 Peacock calinou well its easy to have an opinion on people's livelihood when yours is taken care of 20:03 ruskie you apparently seems so 20:03 iqualfragile_ Peacock: there is no way you could opensource a website 20:03 ruskie anyway gonna go listen to paint dry... atm seems like the better enternatinment option 20:03 VanessaE hah 20:03 iqualfragile_ every website is individual (well, more or less) 20:03 Peacock you cant opensource php/asp ? 20:04 ruskie iqualfragile_, the fact that it already is open source(you have the source via HTML) 20:04 iqualfragile_ so you are not somebody why would be influenced by opensource licenses 20:04 Calinou part of it, ruskie 20:04 Calinou PHP is server side 20:04 iqualfragile_ ruskie: yes, but i meant license 20:04 Peacock by the same logic if i reuse the same dyn. code for a website i should just give it away 20:04 iqualfragile_ i can give you sourcecode but forbid you to do anythig with it 20:04 thexyz Peacock: yeah, please stop insulting people here 20:04 iqualfragile_ Peacock: you should just go away and stop flaming around in #minetest 20:05 Peacock i think its insulting you think i should work for free 20:05 Calinou also, what iqualfragile_ said. you could perfectly do that 20:05 iqualfragile_ NO FUCKING BODY SAYS YOU SHOULD WORK FOR FREE 20:05 iqualfragile_ now go away. 20:05 Calinou don't use all caps 20:05 Peacock no 20:05 Peacock if youre tired of talking you go away 20:05 thexyz Peacock: stuff like "short memory today?" insults me in some way, yeah 20:06 Peacock if anyone is tired of having this discussion then end it, and ill move on to talking about architecture or some other stuff 20:06 Peacock people don't go away because their POV is inconvenient to one's belief system 20:07 iqualfragile_ ok, i do not do this often but: i will ignore you for about half a year untill you have matured a bit and learned about rules in irc 20:07 sfan5 could we please stop arguing? 20:07 sfan5 +e 20:07 Peacock doesnt IRC have an ignore option? use it 20:07 VanessaE the world should just license everything as WTFPL :P 20:07 Calinou some clients do, it's client side 20:07 Peacock well they should get a better client and use it, problem solved 20:07 iqualfragile_ yes, my client does and i just did 20:07 svuorela Peacock: and please remember to pay for minetest. 20:08 iqualfragile_ and i would recommend everybody to just /ignore Peacock or mind-ignore him 20:08 Peacock for a 0.4.8 version? 20:08 Peacock sorry, 0.4.7 20:09 PenguinDad iqualfragile_: i do ignore him now 20:09 sfan5 PenguinDad: you don't need to announce that publicy 20:09 iqualfragile_ thanks 20:10 iqualfragile_ sfan5: i think it is polite to do so 20:10 sfan5 I disagree 20:10 iqualfragile_ it prevents the ignored person to wonder why he does not get responses 20:10 svuorela a sign of a well driven irc channel is wether or not everybody needs to ignore one person, or if the ops take charge and silences whoever everyone else is ignoring 20:10 PenguinDad sfan5: i know but am i not allowed to? 20:11 Peacock didn't know we silenced people for having opinions 20:11 Calinou absence of responce isn't polite 20:11 Calinou Peacock: take flamewars somewhere else ;) 20:11 sfan5 *sigh* 20:11 iqualfragile_ and in case the ignored person needs to tell something on topic he can try to notify the ignoring person in some other way 20:11 Peacock calinou, i dont start 'em, people make statements that start them 20:12 Calinou don't respond then 20:12 Calinou I see tons of Windows users daily, I don't tell them to switch to Linux. 20:12 Peacock and.. how many times you mentionned ubuntu this week starting an OS war? lol 20:12 Calinou ubuntu! 20:12 Peacock exactly lol 20:12 Peacock i dont think anyone's innocent on that front 20:14 Calinou on that font! 20:14 Peacock for a sec i thought i typo'd lol 20:15 Calinou "ubuntu" is also the name of a font, actually :P 20:15 Peacock lol 20:15 Peacock is it true nekogloop uses windows now? 20:15 Peacock or was he kidding? lol 20:15 VanessaE he has for a while 20:15 NekoGloop I always have 20:15 FreeFull I currently use Arch 20:16 Peacock what the... but didnt you rail against it constantly? or was that someone else 20:16 iqualfragile_ yaya archlinux 20:16 Calinou harsh linux 20:16 * Calinou drinks crit-a-cola and runs away 20:16 Peacock lol 20:16 svuorela VanessaE: I've heard you have a slight role to play in the amazing moretrees mod 20:17 VanessaE slight? 20:17 VanessaE heh 20:17 Calinou she made a lot of mods 20:17 Calinou moretrees is amazing... and slow :P 20:17 VanessaE Calinou: the spawn_tree() call is slow 20:17 iqualfragile_ i think those new node-manipultion apis could help a litle 20:18 Calinou rendering is also slow with fancy trees, lots of leaves to render 20:18 iqualfragile_ also: luajit 20:18 VanessaE (plants_lib might be improved somewhat with vmanip but I dunno) 20:18 svuorela VanessaE: though it would be nice if the leaves would start degrading when all nearby logs are gone 20:18 Peacock i got people building houses inside giant sequoias (p) 20:18 VanessaE svuorela: I coded plants_lib and moretrees, RealBadAngel wrote most of the tree models 20:18 VanessaE they already do. 20:18 VanessaE just very slowly 20:18 NekoGloop Peacock, I don't rail on it; that's everyone else in the channel 20:19 Peacock NekoGloop true 20:19 Peacock isn't there a timbermod for that? 20:19 svuorela VanessaE: oh. I was expecting them to degrade in the same speed as 'normal' trees 20:19 VanessaE Peacock: there is one that ostensibly works with it, but I dunno how good it is 20:19 Peacock well moretrees uses group:leaves, so timber should if it uses it 20:20 VanessaE svuorela: I made them degrade much slower to keep the CPU load at a minimum 20:20 VanessaE there's like 100x as many leaves in an average moretrees forest as in a regular one :) 20:21 svuorela and 50 times as many wood blocks 20:21 VanessaE yup 20:23 FreeFull Peacock: You can suffocate your way out of the prison 20:23 Peacock yeah and they respawn at spawn 20:23 Peacock that is a pickle, but a temporary one :-) 20:23 FreeFull How will you fix it? 20:23 Peacock build a prison deeper undeground, that coffin was a temporary thing 20:25 Peacock in any case im working on something that should protect freebuild projects 20:29 FreeFull Peacock: I don't know if placing it deeper underground will help 20:29 FreeFull Want to test it out? 20:29 Peacock it will, theyll be banned before they grief their way out 20:30 Peacock so long as you dont put anything where they can off themselves 20:30 Peacock though im not gonna build it right now, still working on the extremely complicated cloud tower lol 20:31 FreeFull I mean, you can off yourself using the top teleporter block 20:32 Peacock how? 20:32 Peacock http://s21.postimg.org/pi8esbhc7/screenshot_1777192371.png 20:33 Peacock it still doesn't look like a cloud :/ 20:33 FreeFull Although it's not necessarily reliable 20:33 Peacock looks more abstract 20:33 FreeFull Jumping up with crouch pressed 20:34 Peacock ahh dont worry, theres a column holding the top pad in prisons 20:34 Peacock i dont usually put "bare" pads unless its someone else's country, then they can decorate it to suit their environment 20:35 Peacock on a beach i lined with with bark lol 20:35 FreeFull Hmm 20:35 Peacock *lined one with 20:35 FreeFull I'd still like to see it and test it out 20:36 PilzAdam LogoSkyBlock as a game: https://github.com/PilzAdam/LogoSkyBlock 20:36 PilzAdam sfan5, ^ 20:36 Peacock if youre still on later you can test, but this is what ittl look like finished: http://s11.postimg.org/qgcp21hab/screenshot_1337374977.jpg 20:36 sfan5 PilzAdam: nice 20:36 PilzAdam need to add grinder and stuff 20:36 FreeFull Peacock: Ah 20:36 sfan5 PilzAdam: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/autoblockbreaker.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/crushingfurnace.zip http://shadowninja.minetest.net/logger.tgz 20:37 Peacock grinder ... not the gay hookup app on iphone/android? 20:37 FreeFull Yeah, I would like to test it out 20:37 sfan5 Peacock: add a horizonal line and it will look like a pokeball () 20:37 sfan5 s/()/8)/ 20:37 Peacock i was thinking of doing that lol 20:37 Peacock it would look like the oriental peace sign 20:38 PilzAdam sfan5, different textures would be nice 20:38 sfan5 why? 20:38 PilzAdam it looks too similiar to the normal furnace 20:39 Peacock though w/ the prison at y-200, and only 15 griefer warnings before ban, people could never surface or die before ban 20:39 sfan5 PilzAdam: hmm 20:40 sfan5 suggestions? 20:41 PilzAdam for x do; for y do; getPixel(x,y):setColor(rand(0,255),rand(0,255),rand(0,255),rand(0,255)); end; end; 20:42 FreeFull Peacock: I bet I'll find a way to die without placing or breaking anything =P 20:45 Peacock the old prison used to have a lava pit, i didn't think that one through lol 20:46 VanessaE isn't there some flag that says a user has been jailed? 20:47 Peacock jailings and bans are publicly announced yes 20:47 VanessaE why not just auto-teleport them back to the jail on respawn? 20:48 Peacock well i wrote the spawn transporter pad thingie before the warning level jailing/ban thingie :/ 20:49 Peacock i should probably code that in 20:49 Peacock though i figure if people are smart enough to find a way out, theyre smart enough to follow rules, and the warning level stays the same and keeps approaching ban 20:50 Peacock the next thing i want to do is keep a place/dig ratio for non-citizens (new players), when it dips too low, ittl auto-revoke interac until someone can check what theyre digging 20:50 Peacock *interact 20:51 Peacock and also make messing with machines up the warning level 20:51 Peacock noticing this pattern where people login, turn the tanks off, and leave lol 20:53 Peacock does your server get as many griefers? or am i just especially popular lol 20:54 VanessaE mine gets a few now and then 20:54 VanessaE not having interact by default helps somewhat 20:54 VanessaE and no buckets either 20:55 VanessaE (so everything gets piped through node_ownership) 20:55 Peacock true, i guess new players think mine is a free for all 20:56 FreeFull Peacock: I wonder, can overly bright light levels suffocate? 20:56 Peacock though it doesn't help that servers.minetest.net lists servers with dmg enabled as "PVP" 20:56 Peacock no howcome? 20:56 VanessaE FreeFull: I don't see how 20:57 Peacock FreeFull are you getting lag? 20:57 FreeFull Peacock: When I stand under some lights, I get suffocated, and not under others 20:57 FreeFull Oh, nevermind 20:57 Peacock weird, someone else said standing on neons suffocated them too :/ 20:57 FreeFull It's all lights 20:58 Peacock why would an invisible light node (not drawtype liquid or anything) cause that? 20:58 FreeFull Well, any non-air node causes suffocation 20:58 Peacock ah shit just being inside nodes causes it? 20:59 VanessaE I thought you had to set a flag in the node def for that/ 20:59 Peacock doesn't happen to me though on git from 4-5 days ago 20:59 FreeFull Yes 20:59 Peacock gonna restart and check it out 20:59 FreeFull For example, a ladder will suffocate you 20:59 Peacock the brazilian griefer brigade arrived anyhow 20:59 VanessaE that's strange\ 21:00 FreeFull Peacock: Of course, it does make making underwater more difficult 21:00 PilzAdam sfan5, I also need a header (and maybe a different icon) for the main menu 21:00 FreeFull Since you actually have to make air nodes 21:00 FreeFull Of course, you could just eat oranges when you take damage instead 21:00 FreeFull That works too 21:00 FreeFull Peacock: I wonder if it would be possible to make it so you can't eat while your air is at 0 21:01 Peacock which flag causes drowning? 21:01 Peacock heres the def: 21:01 Peacock minetest.register_node("mextra:light", { 21:01 Peacock drawtype = "glasslike", 21:01 Peacock tile_images = {"nbu_spotlights_inv.png"}, 21:01 Peacock inventory_image = minetest.inventorycube("nbu_spotlights_inv.png"), 21:01 Peacock paramtype = "light", 21:01 Peacock walkable = false, 21:01 Peacock is_ground_content = true, 21:01 iqualfragile_ haha 21:01 Peacock light_source = 15 , 21:01 Peacock selection_box = { type = "fixed", fixed = {0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}, }, 21:01 Peacock }) 21:01 PilzAdam ehm... 21:01 PilzAdam Peacock, use a pastebin 21:02 Peacock should have yeah lol sorry 21:02 FreeFull I like dpaste 21:02 Peacock but i dont see anything in there that should cause drowning 21:02 FreeFull I would check the drowning code 21:03 Peacock wont be much use to me, i dont drown on my git version standing on light :/ 21:03 FreeFull On your server? 21:03 Peacock yeah i dont drown in light :/ 21:03 FreeFull Peacock: And it's happening to me with overhead lights 21:03 VanessaE dude, pastebin 21:03 FreeFull 4 spaces from ground to light 21:03 Peacock so the source i have wont give me any clues 21:03 Peacock its happening with all neons too 21:04 Peacock i know i just got a gazillion windows already open lol 21:04 FreeFull When you stand on the path to freebuild it happens 21:05 Peacock glasslike, buildable_to, walkable, none of these should cause drowning 21:05 Peacock what version are you running? 21:06 PilzAdam when a new client connects to an older server (both 0.4.7 git) then the client may drown in nodes 21:06 PilzAdam ... I think 21:06 Peacock so his version is actually newer than mine? 21:07 Peacock i dont wanna do strict_protocol enforcement yet, when 0.4.8 is out 21:08 PilzAdam you have to expect such things when you use the unstable dev version 21:08 Peacock yeah im just wondering which one of us has to update 21:09 PilzAdam I think the server 21:09 Peacock allright, when i shutdown tonight ill update it 21:09 FreeFull My minetest is on commit 35c5ccfad34417e37ecb76bfb2995e47142b272e Date: Thu Aug 8 06:10:45 2013 +0300 21:10 Peacock ok yeah yours is newer than mine 21:10 Peacock screw it ill do it right now ittl be done lol 21:12 Peacock i forget it doesn't take nearly as long as it did on my p4 to comp 21:14 FreeFull It helps if you use something like -j3 21:16 Peacock thats what i do for the dualcore 21:16 Peacock i think its j(number of cores +1) right? 21:19 FreeFull I think actually using more than that can still yeld a bigger speedup 21:19 FreeFull And you have to experiment to find what value is actually right 21:19 FreeFull But number of cores + 1 is a safe default 21:23 Peacock allright, back up 21:23 Peacock and the tanks are protected for on punch lol 21:28 Tesseract No matter how hard I try I haven't been able to find a spot with a temperature of -273.15C (0K). But it comes close... 21:29 Peacock as shit the arguments changed for on_punch (node) 21:29 Tesseract Hmmm, the edge of your screen has a slightly higher viewing range. 21:30 Peacock on the bright side the map flicker seems to be gone 21:36 Peacock the lazyest workaround for on_punch argument changes lol : http://pastebin.com/ZvRdgzJw 21:37 Peacock i noticed right_click still works the same as before though 21:41 Tesseract Uberi: A few functions in WE don't use the VM (like copy amd move) Some functions arealso duplicated, overriding themselves. 21:42 Peacock could use a config option for using voxnips :P 21:42 Tesseract Also //fixedpos shoild be changed to //pos1/2 [x y z,x,y,z]. 21:42 Uberi Tesseract: I know, it's on the todo list 21:42 Uberi the commands will not be changed for compat reasons 21:43 Tesseract Peacock: The only downside they have is with metedata. 21:43 Peacock metadata? 21:43 Uberi Tesseract: also there's no speedup if we use vmanips for these sort of things 21:43 Peacock ah voxelmanip doesn't copy meta 21:43 Uberi since we have to go through it again to set param2 and met 21:43 Uberi a 21:43 Uberi for example, if you copy torches, the rotation needs to be preserved 21:43 Peacock well the workaround would be to "pre-treat" the nodes before doing the vamnip stuff 21:44 Tesseract Uberi: Just leave //fixedpos for a while. Leaving out the coords defaults to the players position. 21:44 Uberi pre-treat? 21:44 Uberi Tesseract: any reasons in particular? 21:44 Tesseract Uberi: Add a //metacopy command. Or //fastcopy 21:44 Peacock well, dry cleaner term lol sort of look for the metas and save those before handling the nodes, and doing the same in reverse after 21:44 Uberi Tesseract: no, that would not follow the simplicity goal of the design 21:45 Uberi Peacock: that's already what we do, and it's the slowest part 21:46 Uberi the vmanips are effectively instant 21:46 Tesseract Uberi: There should be a VM option for commands like copy and move, however you implement it. 21:46 Uberi we use schematics wherever possible to set param2 21:46 Peacock its weird though i dont have speed problems with multinode or the meshspawner 21:46 Uberi Tesseract: it will be rewritten to use schematics 21:46 Uberi which are nearly as fast, but also support param2 21:46 Peacock though i wrote several formats to make blueprints ultracompact 21:47 Peacock meshspawner is binary lol 21:47 Peacock doesnt get any smaller 21:47 Uberi Peacock: using mts format? that's binary too 21:48 Peacock no blueprints are still plaintext, the meshspawner uses binary since those are huge 21:49 Peacock i was able to spawn a life-size battlestar galactica with it lol 21:49 Peacock though i could never load the whole thing in viewing range 21:50 Uberi got a link to that one? 21:50 Peacock the meshspawner? 21:51 Peacock cuz i dont have the galactica map anymore 21:51 Peacock i cant really provide the meshspawner either, the thing that reads meshes is GPL'ed, except the author never bothered to post the sources 21:51 Uberi so much for GPL then :P 21:51 Peacock (dead link) 21:51 Uberi the forum topic is also emptied now 21:52 Peacock its all empty, since zimg and ompldr went down 21:52 Peacock i found a new image host since then, but filehosts are a PITA they all want registration 21:52 Uberi imgur is the best 21:53 Peacock postimg.org is pretty fast and dead-simple :-) 21:53 Peacock they say they dont resize images, but they do somewhat lol 21:53 Peacock the others are worse for that 21:54 iqualfragile_ Uberi: there is http://mg.viewskew.com, its hosted by sb fron the mt community 21:54 Peacock i thought he quit 21:54 iqualfragile_ wtf is mda waifu 21:54 iqualfragile_ *mai 21:55 Uberi needs an account + registration though? 21:55 iqualfragile_ yes 21:55 iqualfragile_ http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/wallpaper3-5/ looks good 21:56 Peacock i hate registering for services, i dont trust them with any kind of basic info lol 21:57 Peacock went on an account-deleting-spree when i got an email from ubuntu forums lol 21:58 Tesseract iqualfragile_: Notice the water texture. 21:59 Uberi Peacock: bugmenot.com! 21:59 Uberi terribly useful little site 21:59 iqualfragile_ yes, it is 21:59 iqualfragile_ but not for things like mediagoblin 21:59 Peacock looks like you might be violating EULA's (or wtv theyre called) using that 22:00 Prestotron [deleted] 22:00 iqualfragile_ but there needs to be one more block of leaves in the tree 22:00 Prestotron [deleted] 22:00 iqualfragile_ dn one log less 22:02 Prestotron [deleted] 22:09 kaeza greetings 22:09 * NekoGloop noms kaeza 22:09 Prestotron [deleted] 22:14 Tesseract git pull && make -j4 22:22 iqualfragile_ Tesseract: nope 22:35 Evergreen Would anyone mind merging my pull request on minetest_game? Sorry, if I am a nuisance, just want someone to look at/discuss it 22:36 hoodedice So google+ says my browser is not supported 22:36 hoodedice Hey Peacock 22:37 Peacock HOWDY 22:37 Peacock oups 22:37 Peacock howdy 22:37 Peacock (was editing signs :P) 22:37 hoodedice =) 22:38 hoodedice Now I'm angry, because I am using the latest firefox 22:38 Peacock thats all? you should hear about my day :P lol 22:39 hoodedice So, what happened? 22:39 Peacock meh, water under the bridge now :P 22:39 Peacock currently finished this uber-complicated cloud tower 22:39 Peacock *finishing 22:40 Peacock not done yet 22:40 hoodedice (I guess you fought with your wife) 22:40 hoodedice oooh, super fast server 22:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:42 Peacock hoodedice hell no, and at least fighting with the wife ends with naughties 22:42 hoodedice *Silence* 22:42 hoodedice =) 22:43 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:44 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:44 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:45 Peacock the instructions for compiling are on the wiki, and i believe, also in a README file when you d/l the source 22:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:47 Peacock now youre confusing me lol 22:47 Peacock linux works better on minetest 22:47 Peacock uhm, other way round 22:47 hoodedice Linux is outdated? 22:47 hoodedice Minetest Is Outdated? 22:47 Peacock no lol minetest works better on linuses 22:48 hoodedice http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+find+the+quot+I+don+t+want+to+live+on+this+_dc50bb0a29cacd01b616a35c7ecb966f.png 22:48 hoodedice Hell Yeah 22:48 hoodedice Presto, which distro? 22:49 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:50 hoodedice Wut? 22:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:50 hoodedice Peacock, is there water on the top of the dome? 22:50 Uberi bwahahaha 22:50 PilzAdam lol 22:50 hoodedice Prestotron, how long have you been running Ubuntu? 22:50 hoodedice Guys, don't crack 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:51 hoodedice Everyone was a newbie once 22:51 PilzAdam hoodedice, nope, I was born as pro ;-) 22:51 Uberi Prestotron562: exe's are windows executables 22:51 hoodedice Okay, Prestotron, gimme your mail id 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:51 hoodedice We'll need to talk 22:51 hoodedice Email id 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:51 Uberi Prestotron562: email 22:51 PilzAdam hoodedice, I can give it to you 22:51 hoodedice email as in blahblah@blah.com 22:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:52 Uberi unless you can figure out how to give hoodedice that icon 22:52 hoodedice okay, wait 22:52 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:52 hoodedice I don't want to flood the irc with ubuntu basics 22:52 hoodedice Log in to gmail 22:52 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:52 PilzAdam Prestotron562, general security tip: Dont shout your e-mail adress in a public IRC channel 22:53 hoodedice Yeah, use /msg *username* to M someone next time 22:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:53 hoodedice (Hangout) 22:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:54 hoodedice Okay, won't matter 22:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:54 hoodedice Wait dude, I'll help you out 22:54 hoodedice Just reply to my hangout message 22:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:55 hoodedice Log into mail.google.com with firefox 22:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:55 hoodedice No firefox? 22:55 Tesseract PilzAdam: http://imgur.com/0jZjsAU 22:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:55 hoodedice Press the windows key and type 'firefox' 22:56 hoodedice Okay, log into google mail with that 22:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:56 PilzAdam Tesseract, seems legit 22:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:56 Tesseract Half of it disapeared when I dig the bottom left piece and a bunch of sand turned into entities. 22:56 Tesseract PilzAdam: It is. 22:56 hoodedice Presto, bottom left 22:56 Tesseract What is left works. 22:57 Tesseract I can make it public if you like. 22:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:57 hoodedice Peacock, top of dome. I can see the sky. That normal? 22:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:57 Niften_ Hi Perston 22:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:58 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:58 hoodedice Ya 22:59 Peacock depends on your viewing range but yeah 22:59 hoodedice Oh. 22:59 hoodedice I was still waiting for the chunks to load 22:59 hoodedice Looks cool though 22:59 Peacock it shouldn't be that slow tho 22:59 Peacock be back in 15 :-) 23:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:24 hoodedice PilzAdam, need headers on cross compiling understandable to someone who's never compiled in his lifetime 23:26 hoodedice Anyone? 23:27 Peacock im not familiar with giving head :/ 23:27 hoodedice -.- 23:27 Peacock lol 23:28 Peacock at this hour tho i think most of the euro users are sleeping 23:28 PilzAdam hoodedice, well, you need to know what you do when you want to cross compile 23:28 PilzAdam look at util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh 23:29 hoodedice I'm looking at that now 23:29 hoodedice It goes over the head 23:29 hoodedice =P 23:29 hoodedice It's a script 23:30 hoodedice Okay, So I have to run that file as an exec 23:30 hoodedice ? 23:31 PilzAdam $ util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh ~/whatever/directory/you/want/for/your/win/build/ 23:32 hoodedice So, it will get all the dependencies by itself? 23:32 PilzAdam yep 23:32 hoodedice And how do I point it to the source? 23:32 PilzAdam it gets that from github 23:32 hoodedice OOOkay 23:32 hoodedice thanks 23:49 hoodedice I'm getting a command not found 23:50 hoodedice ...? 23:50 * NekoGloop bites PilzAdam 23:51 PilzAdam no fish for you today >:-( 23:51 PilzAdam hoodedice, what command? 23:51 hoodedice buildwin32.sh 23:51 NekoGloop :3 23:53 PilzAdam hoodedice, thats a script, which command in it is not known? 23:53 hoodedice So... what's the command? 23:53 hoodedice Oh crap, wait 23:54 hoodedice forgot to mark it as exec 23:54 hoodedice Sorry *embarass* 23:55 hoodedice Okay... 23:55 hoodedice Ooooh it works ^.^ 23:58 hoodedice I guess I'll need 7z