Time Nick Message 00:05 VanessaE sdzen: HDX now supports building_blocks :-) 00:07 PilzAdam HDX is the most up-to date TP of Minetest, it supports standards before they are pushed to upstream 00:07 VanessaE lol 00:07 PilzAdam (e.g. bumpmaps, screenshot.png and info.txt) 00:08 VanessaE well it does sometimes :D 00:42 PilzAdam can someone ban him for this signature already? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104318#p104318 00:43 Menche so, has he finished that mod? it sounds like he says that he has, but what is he saying about "week or a few days"? 00:44 Menche there should be some rule about only announcing a new mod when you have something to show. at least screenshots or some organized plan. 00:46 PilzAdam "organized plan" as in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6835 00:46 Menche lol 00:47 Menche "someone to be in charge of all the mess in init lua and all" 00:47 Menche i read that as: "i need someone to do it all for me" 00:48 Niften . 00:48 Niften hehe 00:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: why not just strip the fonts/colors and delete the link to the not-yet-existent project? 00:53 Niften Jesus christ. I found a "Comes alive" mod. 00:53 Niften "In this mod you can have sons,Wife And More." 00:54 Menche "that mod that all people know"? 00:54 Niften <3 00:54 Niften Yep. 00:55 Niften I think he's regularly sexually disturbed. 00:55 Niften o.o 00:55 Menche so, it adds family members? 00:55 Peacock there must be something up with someone thinking about voxelized sex lol 00:55 Menche i wonder how you get children... 00:56 Peacock by getting your blocks off? lol 00:56 VanessaE Peacock: no different than all those printer-ASCII-art pictures back in the 70's ;) 00:56 Menche on_rightclick comes_alive:wife? 00:56 VanessaE *groan* 00:56 Peacock my father printed those lol 00:56 Evergreen I doubt the guy is even going to finish the mod 00:56 Peacock dot matrix printers... the noisiest sons of ... lol 00:57 Peacock who does he remind me of 00:57 Menche "'m submit this Topic because i'm finish this Mod." has he or hasn't he finished it? i'm going to go with "hasn't". 00:57 Peacock theres another guy that talks like that 00:57 Menche Likwid H-Craft ? 00:57 Peacock i think so 00:58 Menche Likwid H-Craft, adds, a lot of extra, commas, when he writes 00:58 VanessaE oh G*d anyone but him 00:58 Peacock i sometimes wonder if these accounts are created to troll us lol 00:58 Niften xD 00:58 Peacock oh i see paramats' working on a light version of jeija's weather mod :-) 00:59 PilzAdam Peacock, my theory on that is that they at first dont care, then they try to be better but dont succeed and then they start actively trolling 00:59 PilzAdam since they are sad they are idiots 01:00 Peacock yeah but the post are so stupid sometimes i have a hard time believing its natural lol 01:00 Peacock unless the mother drank heavily during pregnancy lol 01:01 Menche add a quick grammar test after creating an account. If a new member's score is too low, they can't post in the English section. 01:01 Menche probably get rid of spambots too 01:01 Peacock that might be viewed as racist :p 01:01 PilzAdam so people who cant speak English are an own "race"? 01:02 Peacock aparently in Quebec yeah (i think its stupid too) they complain about "racism" against english 01:02 Menche lol, i didn't know that language was a defining characteristic of ethicity 01:02 PilzAdam I dont think that people really understand what racism is 01:02 Peacock well to canadians apparently any minority is now a race lol 01:02 Peacock insert one of those "you keep using that word" memes lol 01:03 Peacock we even have an english rights movement now, (they seem to forget they had most of the rights for the past 300 years) :p 01:04 VanessaE sdzen: check your register_node() usage, building_blocks doesn't actually work (the usual complaints about needing : prefixes) 01:07 VanessaE sdzen: full error text: http://pastebin.com/U8dkKTE2 01:09 Peacock hm, turns out pulseaudio isn't any less choppy/crackly on my new rig than it is on the p4 01:09 Peacock guess network sound is out 01:10 VanessaE bah, pulse is a solution looking for a problem (that was already long since solved) 01:10 Peacock i never understood what it fixed either lol 01:11 Peacock every distro has a wiki or thread dedicated to removing it 01:11 Peacock yet it still comes default :/ 01:11 Niften hehe 01:11 kahrl everyone hates PA :/ 01:11 Menche i don't have it 01:12 Peacock well it does network and bluetooth audio, but if the audio quality is crap, its not much use is it lol 01:12 PilzAdam PA as in PilzAdam or PulseAudio? 01:12 Peacock PulseAudio :p 01:12 Menche of course, Arch doesn't come with a whole lot of anything by default 01:12 VanessaE PilzAdam: yes :) 01:12 VanessaE 01:12 Menche you could probably insert either there right now, lol 01:12 PilzAdam I got random highlights of people complaining about PulseAudio in other channels 01:12 PilzAdam just because Minetest people are too lazy to type out my nick 01:13 Peacock Arch.. as in Arch Nemesis when it comes to system upgrades lol 01:13 VanessaE Menche: the way I've heard people lambaste it, it's a wonder Arch even runs at *all* by default : 01:13 VanessaE :P 01:13 Menche huh? i use it and don't have any problems 01:13 Peacock docs have become a mix of /anouncement threads and "this section is out of date" wiki pages :p 01:14 Peacock a year ago i loved it tho 01:14 NekoGloop PilzAdam, both 01:14 Menche stilll working fine for me 01:14 NekoGloop everyone hates both 01:14 Menche -l 01:14 PilzAdam NekoGloop, you are slow today 01:14 Peacock you using proprietary graphics? 01:14 Menche yeah 01:14 NekoGloop I am busy 01:14 Menche was using nouveau earlier 01:14 Peacock and it doesn't break everytime you update? 01:15 PilzAdam NekoGloop, busy with kitten stuff? 01:15 VanessaE I think I'll stick to debian-based distros, at least I can usually fix something that breaks :-) 01:15 NekoGloop busy with coding things 01:15 Menche it's a little tricky to update with AUR versions of the nvidia drivers 01:15 PilzAdam NekoGloop coding? 01:15 Peacock the main advantage with debian based is synaptic and more stability 01:15 PilzAdam must be a bug in env 01:15 NekoGloop glooptest is being.. odd. 01:15 Exio4 PilzAdam: jackd > pulseaudio 01:15 Menche done right it doesn't break anything though 01:15 VanessaE PilzAdam: he's working on another variation for the output of his kitten generator 01:16 Peacock arch without AUR sucks, which is why when packer broke i gave up on it lol 01:16 NekoGloop incorrect 01:16 VanessaE :) 01:16 Menche i use yaourt 01:16 Menche i didn't really like packer as well 01:16 Peacock which aint in the pacman repos either 01:16 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://z0r.de/5216 01:16 Menche not really difficult to build it though 01:16 bas080 i convinced my minecraft friends that minetest is more awesome with the Volcano mod! :) 01:16 Peacock the minute i have to start compiling random shit just to get a usable system its a deal breaker 01:16 VanessaE G*D DAMN IT 01:17 VanessaE warn me next time you link to a site with sound 01:17 Menche why? i didn't have any problems with it 01:17 Peacock besides, crunchbang and archbang are pretty damn close to identical 01:17 Exio4 Peacock: > advantage, > synaptic 01:17 Peacock archbang is based on crunchbang 01:17 bas080 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1447696868.png 01:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, thats the sound upgrade to the kitten generator 01:18 Peacock i find synaptic/apt has better handling of dependencies when it comes to system updates 01:18 Exio4 more stability comes from "paranoic people" like the debian devs that keep stuff outdated from versions that are 0.0.1 with bugfixes from 9.9.9 01:18 Peacock well you got testing repos for that 01:18 Peacock bleeding edge also means you're the first to file bug reports - which are often denied until the other dists catch up 01:18 VanessaE PilzAdam: well at least it doesn't play that annoying-as-hell ringtone one of my friend's kids has... "meow meow meow and a meow meow meow" or some such 01:19 Exio4 Peacock: suddenly: gentoo 01:19 Exio4 i guess you never had the enough pacience for try it 01:19 Peacock ive heard alot of people say gentoo is a PITA 01:19 Menche it should generate pink poptart kittens and play the nyancat song 01:19 Exio4 it is the initial pita of not being used to it 01:19 PilzAdam VanessaE, watch it til the end 01:19 VanessaE Peacock: it's not that it's a pain in the ass, it's just that no matter how fast your computer and network are, it always takes three days to install :) 01:19 Peacock patience for operating systems? it should just work, if it doesn't, the devs are in the wrong field lol 01:20 Exio4 VanessaE: it took 7 days for a full-"complete" install on my netbook 01:20 Exio4 (was usable 8 hours after starting though) 01:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: no thanks :P 01:20 VanessaE Exio4: heh 01:20 Exio4 full 7 days is firefox, qt4, kde4, openbox, a dozen of libraries & daemons 01:20 Exio4 wicd, python, perl, and shits 01:21 Exio4 no, qt3+qt4 + kde3 01:21 Peacock sucks that ubuntu went all apple, otherwise around 2007-08 it was the simplest one to install, update and use 01:21 Exio4 i installed kde4 a bit after that 01:21 Exio4 Peacock: ubuntu *was* the "easy-to-install debian" 01:21 Peacock thats what i said :p 01:21 Peacock more or less 01:21 Exio4 even debian is uber-easy to install and mantain 01:21 Exio4 yeah 01:21 PilzAdam wubi is still easy as.... dunno 01:21 Exio4 > wubi 01:21 Exio4 > 2013 01:21 Exio4 it is deprecated, as far as i know 01:21 Peacock yeah but it always irked me that they had to rename a bunch of stuff because they were anal about trademarks/copyrights/w/e 01:22 Exio4 fwiw, gentoo is a PITA when your network is overly shitty and your cpu is from 1997 01:22 Exio4 outside that; it isn't that bad 01:22 Peacock i dont have anything *that* old lol 01:22 Exio4 but it is worth it imo 01:22 Exio4 portage is amazing 01:23 Peacock is gentoo the one that compiles stuff specifically for your architexture? 01:23 Peacock *architecture 01:23 Exio4 yes, but it doesn't provide a 500x speed up :P 01:23 Menche gentoo compiles everything 01:23 Exio4 you have some -bins packages 01:23 Peacock yeah, that sounded like a long process 01:23 Exio4 like libreoffice, and firefox 01:23 Exio4 Peacock: i will say one thing 01:23 Peacock ugh, libreoffice lol didn't sun release openoffice back into the wild? 01:24 Exio4 Peacock: think gentoo as the rolling release archlinux can't be 01:24 Exio4 it is stable, and bleeding edge where you may want 01:24 kahrl I use gentoo, not because of any speedup, but because I can remove dependencies from packages thanks to USE flags 01:25 Exio4 99.99% of gentoo users ^ 01:25 Peacock may give it a try one day, but installing the more mainstream distros makes enough of an alcoholic out of me :P 01:25 VanessaE lol 01:25 PilzAdam I just read "trolling release" 01:25 PilzAdam we definitely need that for Minetest 01:25 Peacock lol 01:25 Exio4 the king of tweakability (did i spell this right? ;P) is gentoo 01:26 Exio4 PilzAdam: we have you 01:26 Exio4 we don't need more :D 01:26 Exio4 i'm using debian sid here because network problems though :( 01:26 PilzAdam and its only the beginning of my evil masterplan 01:27 Peacock with landmine being minetests' chief master-baiter 01:27 Exio4 kahrl: the main reason i used gentoo was i could have a 'mixed' system without breaking everything :P 01:27 Peacock not sure we need more trollin :p 01:27 PilzAdam VanessaE, you do realise that this is trolling at its glance: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104332#p104332 ? 01:27 Peacock i do like CB + xfce 01:27 Exio4 dwm here ;P 01:27 Peacock though my xfce version is slightly out of date, no auto-tiling :( 01:28 Exio4 kahrl: never asked, what is your desktop enviroment/window manager? (prefered, or whatever :P) 01:28 kahrl Exio4: xfce 01:28 VanessaE PilzAdam: maybe, but I still respond to such stuff seriously, to a point. 01:28 Exio4 aww.. 01:28 kahrl used to run a mixture of lxde/xfce, but it had too many bugs 01:28 Exio4 this is like i'm the only who doesn't use xfce or kde D: 01:28 Peacock p4 i left openbox on it, most important for VLC to run smoothly, especially with alot of bluray movies 01:29 * Menche uses i3 01:29 VanessaE nothing pisses a troll off more than not being able to actually elicit the response they wanted :) 01:29 PilzAdam VanessaE, "the point" was reached when he created that full caps topic and asked the question for the third time 01:29 PilzAdam after getting an answer 01:29 Peacock that MEGA dude? 01:29 VanessaE for YOU, yes. 01:29 Menche LOL: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104330#p104330 01:29 Menche "what is a text editor" 01:29 VanessaE my limit goes a bit beyond yours. 01:30 Exio4 i will try the the "lxde-qt" that will coom soon-ish 01:30 Menche razor? 01:30 Peacock lol you know how it says 'developer" under some user names, it should say Troll under some other users lol 01:30 VanessaE lol 01:31 Exio4 Menche: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQxNjA 01:31 Peacock i would like mine to read "Queen of Summertime" but i know that won't happen :p 01:31 Peacock or Klingon Chancellor 01:32 PilzAdam bye 01:34 Evergreen Did you think my response was fitting to that "what is a text editor" post? :P 01:35 Evergreen The first thing that went through my mind when I read that was "Are you freaking kidding me" 01:36 Exio4 it is like asking your name 01:36 Exio4 "what is my name" 01:36 Exio4 :> 01:36 Peacock or listing your local ip in servers thread lol 01:37 Evergreen sfan5: Thank you for pointing me to Geany, it is going to be my main code editor from now on 01:37 Peacock i had geany preinstalled, though i much prefer gedit 01:38 Evergreen :o 01:38 Peacock geany has a nasty habit of re-opening every last file ever edited 01:38 Evergreen Just close the tab when you are done 01:38 Evergreen :P 01:39 Evergreen If you on't like that, just use SciTE or smething 01:39 Evergreen *don't 01:39 Peacock gedit's fine, its got diff color schemes and all the highlighting 01:39 Evergreen I only use gedit for .txt files 01:39 Evergreen The spacing in gedit is terrible though 01:40 Peacock tab spacing? 01:40 Evergreen It makes minetest code really hard to read 01:40 Peacock you can adjust tab spacing, i set mine to 3 01:40 Peacock a good monospace font helps too 01:40 Evergreen I already have gedit, and I am not using it for code. You can't convince me of that. :P 01:41 Evergreen Also, a good text editor that is supposed to build upon gedit is medit 01:41 Peacock not trying :P but theres no way in hell ill use geany either :p 01:41 Evergreen Lol, first OS wars, now text editor wars 01:42 Peacock we had a phonewar too i think 01:42 Evergreen The wars we have on IRC.... 01:42 Peacock its opensource lol 01:43 Peacock everything turns into a debate 01:43 Evergreen What I say to that is: People us what they use for a reason. Certain programs are better for doing different things 01:43 Evergreen *use 01:44 Peacock until people start mixing politics and different notions of freedom, then it gets tricky lol 01:44 Evergreen And I can't even begin to describe how much my friend hates windows. He won't even talk about it 01:44 Evergreen True 01:49 Peacock im pretty sure the purists fap to a Trisquell install since flash itself is evil XD 02:06 bas080 i broke every texture guideline, http://dev.minetest.net/Visual_style_guidelines 02:07 Menche not that there are that many texture guidelines 02:08 Menche you use semi-transparency? 02:08 bas080 yes 02:08 Menche doesn't that glitch? 02:08 bas080 for leaves and glass 02:08 bas080 yes 02:09 bas080 Sometimes though. 02:09 bas080 not always, 02:09 bas080 it's hard to explain 02:09 Menche didn't think that minetest could handle semi transparency at all 02:09 hdastwb it doesn't look that bad for leaves… 02:09 Menche at least i remember semi-transparent pixels accidentaly left in sidegrass textures 02:10 hdastwb not very ideal for framed glass 02:10 sdzen did someone say scite? 02:11 sdzen Menche I believe they are usable now 02:11 sdzen but.... 02:11 sdzen still not something I would reccomend for textures 02:11 VanessaE it works well enough for now 02:11 sdzen :) 02:11 VanessaE but it's glitchy 02:12 VanessaE its* 02:12 sdzen bah, who needs alpha! 02:12 Menche it's beta not to use alpha? 02:12 VanessaE sdzen: anyone who wants to make glass that isn't completely transparent :) 02:13 VanessaE Menche: yeah but make sure your monitor's gamma is adjusted properly, otherwise... 02:13 VanessaE ahem 02:13 * VanessaE goes back to her room now. 02:13 sdzen did I break anything else mistress? 02:14 VanessaE heh 02:14 Peacock alpha didn't work in 0.4.6 :/ 02:14 Peacock dont know if it was actually in there tho lol 02:25 bas080 good night people! 02:44 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhOqZrLyP0Y&feature=youtu.be 02:45 VanessaE !title 02:45 MinetestBot VanessaE: cachivorous spasim - YouTube 02:50 * NekoGloop pats VanessaE's head 02:50 VanessaE RAWR! *bites* 02:51 * Kacey pokes his head in for a bit 02:53 NekoGloop OWIE 02:54 NekoGloop Kacey help me it bit me :< 02:54 VanessaE haha 02:54 Kacey im having problems moving around... 02:54 * Kacey reaches to help Neko 02:54 Kacey stupid freaking toes... 03:15 * NekoGloop dies 03:19 kahrl VanessaE: is your server still using remote media? 03:20 VanessaE I turned it off for now 03:20 VanessaE shall I re-enable it? 03:20 kahrl if you can 03:20 VanessaE sure, sec. 03:20 kahrl don't bother kicking off tons of people 03:21 sdzen tons is a relative word :) 03:21 VanessaE with that bug in people joining/timing out, I'll be lucky if there's more than one... 03:21 VanessaE ok, it is restarted with remote media enabled. 03:21 kahrl hmm, I see 03:21 VanessaE (and there was no one on) 03:21 kahrl thanks :) 03:22 sdzen downloading obscene amounts of media NOW! 03:22 sdzen wait it crashed 03:22 VanessaE the media is served up from my website, which I *think* is in Texas 03:23 sdzen well I cant connect 03:23 VanessaE sdzen: fake "someone else is on" messages? 03:23 sdzen nope 03:23 VanessaE (or "couldn't allocate player") 03:23 sdzen straight out crash 03:23 VanessaE that happens to a LOT of people 03:24 sdzen time to debug I suppose 03:25 kahrl with my new httpfetch code: Segmentation fault 03:25 kahrl fun :) 03:25 VanessaE you bwoke it! :( 03:25 VanessaE :) 03:25 sdzen Could not load mesh, because file could not be opened: : hovercraft.x 03:25 sdzen 23:24:51: ERROR[main]: GenericCAO::addToScene(): Could not load mesh hovercraft.x 03:25 sdzen trapped at this 03:26 VanessaE sdzen: yep, I know about that. that's a bug in the curl code somewhere. 03:26 VanessaE (or so I presume) 03:26 kahrl sdzen, VanessaE, I see the same thing for most .x files, but then I see stuff like "Loaded mesh: cart.x" 03:26 VanessaE kahrl: exactly. Player meshes tend to be one of the files that don't load, 03:27 VanessaE but if you go to the media URL ( digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/media_for_curl_server ) and look at them, they're fine 03:27 sdzen ALSA lib dlmisc.c:252:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_equal.so 03:27 sdzen AL lib: (EE) alsa_open_playback: Could not open playback device 'default': No such device or address 03:27 sdzen my cache is going to implode madame 03:28 VanessaE (wtf? why didn't firefox keep the http:// on that link?) 03:28 sdzen not FF's fault 03:28 sdzen or is it? 03:28 VanessaE I c&p from there, so I assume it is 03:29 sdzen did you click and drag 03:29 sdzen or double click 03:29 VanessaE double click. 03:29 VanessaE same as usual 03:29 sdzen hmmm 03:29 VanessaE no matter 03:29 VanessaE hi Menche :P 03:30 sdzen Could not load mesh, because file could not be opened: : wield3d_character.x 03:30 sdzen 23:29:34: ERROR[main]: GenericCAO::addToScene(): Could not load mesh wield3d_character.x 03:30 Menche what, you see me? i'm still loading 03:30 VanessaE Menche: yep, but that's normal 03:30 VanessaE the server tells other clients about a join before the user is actually fully loaded up 03:30 sdzen too many x's 03:30 VanessaE (why does it do that?) 03:31 VanessaE kahrl: joined 03:31 VanessaE er. 03:31 VanessaE Well no shit, Sherlock. 03:31 VanessaE ;) 03:31 Menche seeing players pacing in place on the spawn coordinates then timing out was a common sight on my server 03:31 VanessaE Menche: that happens on everyone's servers. 03:33 Menche my goodness this is taking a long time 03:33 VanessaE the "pacing" part is because the model just starts off in a random point in one of the walking anims. the timeout is the client crashing, not sure why 03:33 VanessaE wait, wtf 03:33 VanessaE why am I seeing 25+ kb/sec upstream? 03:33 Menche ~75% 03:33 VanessaE are you using cURL, Menche 03:33 VanessaE ? 03:33 Menche yeah 03:33 VanessaE weird. 03:33 Menche ...that bad? 03:34 VanessaE no, not really, I've got 20x that available, just surprised. 03:34 Niften hehe 03:34 VanessaE I wonder what else I need to copy to the media server? 03:34 Menche you're saying it should be higher? 03:34 VanessaE I'm saying that it should ideally be lower because the media should have been coming from the media server :P 03:35 VanessaE but if you could pull 500 kB/sec, that would be fine with me too 03:35 Menche oh, textures are on a different server 03:35 VanessaE idc either way :) 03:35 kahrl VanessaE: I think I figured out the .x thing by looking at an extra-verbose log 03:35 Menche am I downloading from the wrong one or something? 03:35 VanessaE kahrl: dare I ask? 03:35 kahrl you dare? 03:35 VanessaE Menche: no, it's all automatic 03:35 VanessaE kahrl: what did I break? :D 03:35 kahrl well, I think it's because the server is sending active objects that use a specific model 03:36 kahrl and it does this before the client actually has the file 03:36 VanessaE can it be fixed server-side? 03:36 kahrl dunno 03:36 VanessaE (I'd hate to have to tell everyone to update yet again) 03:37 VanessaE (there's already enough ....friction.... for that idea lately) 03:37 VanessaE psst! he moved! 03:37 VanessaE I saw the Menche move! 03:37 Menche wooo, made it 03:37 VanessaE :) 03:37 kahrl the player should really not "join" (get block data, get objects, ...) before he has all itemdefs, nodedefs and media 03:37 kahrl it messes everything up 03:37 VanessaE kahrl: agreed 100% 03:41 kahrl httpfetch_async_get: wield3d_character.x, succeeded=1 03:41 kahrl so it does in fact load it, just too late 03:42 kahrl 10m48.991s with httpfetch + lots of debugging output 03:43 Menche got killed by a nuclear trampoline 03:44 VanessaE lol 03:44 VanessaE AAIIIIIEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee *splat* 03:46 Menche wielded items show? 03:46 VanessaE yep 03:47 VanessaE wield3d mod, when the model loads properly :) 03:47 VanessaE (see above) 03:47 Menche ...is kahrl actually holding a pale blue square? 03:47 Menche i assume that's supposed to be something else 03:47 VanessaE I don't see it 03:47 VanessaE what am I holding? 03:48 * Menche looks for VanessaE 03:48 VanessaE I'm right in front of you 03:48 Menche err, the only player i see is kahrl 03:48 Menche wait, that's what that selection box was 03:48 VanessaE that's me. 03:48 Menche i see your selection box 03:48 VanessaE sounds like the player model didn't load for you 03:49 Menche but i see kahrl 03:49 Menche and now sdzen 03:49 VanessaE probably because they're all default skins 03:49 VanessaE I have a custom skin 03:49 Menche and i can't even see your name 03:49 sdzen hmmm 03:49 kahrl imo, it should revert to the trollface if the player model can't be loaded 03:49 sdzen deleted my skin Vanessa? 03:49 kahrl like in good old minetest 0.0.0 times 03:49 Menche i'll try logging out and in; i've seen that happen before 03:49 VanessaE sdzen: no, I don't recall doing so 03:50 VanessaE sdzen: nope, your skin's still in place all right 03:50 sdzen so am I just rapid fire logging in until it works? 03:50 sdzen or is there a trick? 03:50 VanessaE I'm gonna restart (to update sdzen's mod) 03:50 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/KjWNvKK.gif 03:50 VanessaE sdzen: normally you just have to sign on and that's it 03:51 VanessaE but there's LOTS of timeouts happening right now 03:51 Menche i haven't timed out yet 03:51 kahrl VanessaE: I crashed 03:51 VanessaE good timing then, everyone crashed at about the same time :) 03:52 kahrl (using upstream master now, not httpfetch) 03:52 VanessaE ok 03:52 Menche ok now I see both VanessaE and sdzen 03:52 Menche and their custom skins 03:52 VanessaE Menche: because now you have the player model cached. 03:52 VanessaE or at least the skins 03:52 VanessaE I dunno how it works 03:53 Menche so my client didn't grab all of the media the first time? 03:53 VanessaE I guess not 03:53 VanessaE clear your cache and try again and I bet you won't see us (or the sheep and rats) 03:53 Menche a sheep wandered into a travelnet 03:54 Menche maybe i would load the media faster if i increased media_fetch_threads? 03:54 VanessaE Menche: maybe, I dunno how that works alongside cURL 03:55 Menche think that is for curl 03:55 VanessaE but afaik my web server will handle it okay 03:56 Menche is there a way for me to see how fast I'm downloading? (i use linux) 03:57 Menche oops, accidentally cancelled it X( 03:58 VanessaE I use a network meter docked into my panel 03:59 Menche oops, when i accidentally quit i guess the server thought i was still on 03:59 kahrl xfce4-netload-plugin 03:59 VanessaE kahrl: that's the one. 04:00 Menche found another 04:00 Menche if this is right, i'm uploading as much as i'm downloading 04:00 kahrl well, so much for testing the speed of the master remote media loader 04:00 kahrl crashed again, same backtrace 04:01 Menche ~27 kBit/s 04:01 VanessaE hm 04:01 VanessaE I'm not seeing much activity in my web logs for the media files...wonder if it's even working 04:02 Menche now i'm getting about 190 kbit/s download 04:02 Menche after i upped media_fetch_threads 04:02 VanessaE ok, then it's working, because I'm only pushing out 50 kB/sec right now 04:03 Menche average 150, it's varying quite a bit 04:03 Menche currently have media_fetch_threads at 16 04:08 Niften hehe 04:10 kahrl well this sucks 04:10 kahrl it's usually trudging along below 10KB/s, but when there's a big file it goes up to several hundred 04:11 kahrl so there's a big obvious inefficiency there 04:11 kahrl (this is with httpfetch) 04:11 kahrl I'll try what reusing curl handles does 04:11 VanessaE kahrl: what about that http keep alive feature? maybe that'll help[ 04:12 Niften lol. 04:12 kahrl VanessaE: yup, exactly that 04:12 VanessaE right 04:12 kahrl (the old code doesn't reuse them either) 04:14 VanessaE kahrl: another thing that needs some love is the huge framerate drops that happen when you dig some items 04:14 VanessaE (load up 256px HDX, try placing and digging one of those "3d" torches) 04:16 VanessaE huh, now it isn't doing it. 04:16 VanessaE actually yeah it is. costs me 15fps while digging 04:18 Menche /status says that you're on, but i don't see you again 04:18 VanessaE I'm over by Dopium's Estate 04:19 Menche ok there. when i first logged on i didn't see your name, like before 04:26 kahrl handle reusing doesn't seem to help 04:29 VanessaE maybe you're hitting some limit of the webserver? 04:29 kahrl could be 04:29 VanessaE though, I can push files to it at like 1MB/sec easily 04:30 VanessaE too bad there's no way to have the client tell the server "hey, my cache is empty - send me the whole damn thing as a zip" 04:30 VanessaE or maybe use rsync? 04:31 kahrl DERP 04:31 kahrl I had media_fetch_threads = 1 04:31 VanessaE ? 04:31 VanessaE oops! :) 04:32 VanessaE Menche did say he was getting upwards of 150 kB/sec with 16 threads 04:32 VanessaE (but that's with the cURL code) 04:32 kahrl now this setting is becoming misnamed, httpfetch uses 1 background thread with $media_fetch_threads connections 04:34 Menche i was actually getting around that with the default of 8 threads too 04:35 VanessaE kahrl: this code you're working on is intended to replace the current cURL-based fetching routines on clients only, right?\ 04:35 VanessaE (just to make sure I follow)\ 04:35 VanessaE 04:35 kahrl well my connection isn't as good, about 40 kB/sec on average 04:35 kahrl VanessaE: exactly 04:35 kahrl and it's still cURL-based 04:35 VanessaE (had to terminate the escapes ;) ) 04:38 kahrl oh wow, this is doing great 04:38 kahrl didn't crash this time 04:38 VanessaE cool 04:38 kahrl had over 150 kB/sec average as well 04:38 kahrl (media_fetch_threads = 16) 04:39 kahrl exactly 2 minutes to fetch itemdef, nodedef, media and make item textures/meshes 04:39 VanessaE the whole thing? 04:39 kahrl yep 04:39 * Menche crashed 04:39 VanessaE that's a hell of a lot better than 7-10 mins 04:39 kahrl emptied the cache 04:41 kahrl so, if we pretend it didn't crash all the time, this code is pretty good, right? 04:41 VanessaE I'd say so, but if you can go even faster, of course do so :-) 04:42 Menche it's complaining about .x meshes not being able to be opened 04:43 kahrl Menche: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-07#i_3244370 04:44 kahrl (if anyone wants to test httpfetch, https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/commits/httpfetch) 04:44 VanessaE test? pfft. push it to git :-) 04:44 VanessaE let the world test it :) 04:44 kahrl ^ minetest development strategy summed up in 11 words ;) 04:44 VanessaE hahahaha 04:46 kahrl maybe it should be called yourtest 04:47 VanessaE heh 04:56 Menche wow, i cleared my cache and got all the media in less than half a minute 04:56 Menche with httpfetch 04:56 VanessaE nice 04:56 Menche like 3 MBit/s or so 04:57 Menche i still can't see other players though 04:59 hdastwb I'm currently trying out the 512x HDX pack with technic_game; minetest's memory usage was approaching 7 GB until the system froze and it came back at about 5.7 GB 05:01 VanessaE 5.7 is about right if you have tons of other mods, like with my game 05:01 hdastwb graphics memory at 2.6 GB 05:02 hdastwb I'm kind of curious as to what happened to make it deallocate like that, though… 05:02 hdastwb I suppose the Irrlicht garbage collector got invoked or something… 05:27 VanessaE good evening to all who just signed on :) 05:28 Semilevel 'morning 05:32 kaeza evening? :P 05:32 VanessaE ok, morning then/ 05:32 kaeza it's 02:32 05:33 kaeza what's up? 05:34 VanessaE we are :P 05:34 kaeza :P 05:35 Semilevel 7:34AM here. 05:35 Semilevel whoops, 35 now 05:35 Semilevel great 05:35 Semilevel I've stayed up all night. 05:43 * VanessaE hopes kahrl can work some magic and fix the bugs she's having with her server :-) 07:25 sfan5 MinetestBot! 07:25 MinetestBot sfan5! 07:27 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix stored XSS vulnerability in the serverlist 8b9bf47166 2013-08-07T00:24:32-07:00 http://git.io/CrDoNA 07:30 VanessaE ok, I need everyone who has a few minutes to try connecting to my server. 07:31 VanessaE testing something c55 had me put into place 08:04 kaeza VanessaE, ~7 FPS at spawn o_o 08:07 VanessaE but it works? 08:07 kaeza yep 08:07 kaeza ah! 08:07 VanessaE for better fps, put pilzadam/taoki's VBO patch in. 08:08 VanessaE ? 08:08 kaeza could be somehow related to media fetching? 08:08 VanessaE yes 08:08 VanessaE as it's downloading the map, it's making meshes 08:08 VanessaE and your FPS will drop through the floor until its done 08:08 kaeza ... 08:08 kaeza not that 08:08 Taoki The patch that never comes 08:08 kaeza the connection problem 08:08 VanessaE oh, just the routine media fetch? 08:09 VanessaE Taoki: I have it on my client, it works well 08:09 Taoki VanessaE: Let PilzAdam know too that it works well :P 08:09 VanessaE for the connection problem see, c55's commentary in -dev for the last couple hours and from last night 08:09 kaeza VanessaE, I had the connection problem earlier, when I started with an empty cache 08:09 VanessaE he had me try commenting out one of the new calls in the anti-joinflood code 08:10 kaeza ah well, will read 08:10 VanessaE G*d its hot in here 08:11 VanessaE (25.5°C) 08:18 * PenguinDad throws grenades at the wifi unicorn. 08:19 VanessaE PenguinDad: can you try signing onto my server please? I'm trying to collect some can-sign-on-or-not stats 08:20 PenguinDad VanessaE: sorry but my internet is too bad today 08:20 * jin_xi is trying to connect 08:20 VanessaE that's okay, I just need sign-on/off info, you don't have to try to play 08:20 VanessaE jin_xi: thanks 08:21 jin_xi ugh, this takes so long 08:21 jin_xi ;) 08:21 VanessaE jin_xi: and that's with remote media server enabled now 08:22 VanessaE kahrl is working on a newer, faster version of the fetching code 08:23 jin_xi now im in and you just left :( 08:23 VanessaE heh 08:24 VanessaE I Was running out of desktop space to hold my windows :-) 08:27 PenguinDad VanessaE: it downloads the meshes for me :) 08:29 VanessaE cool 08:29 VanessaE that seems to be glitchy, not everyone gets all the meshes for some reason 08:30 VanessaE kahrl explained it was basically due to the order in which stuff is loaded versus being put into use 08:30 VanessaE (because you are "on" even before you finish downloading everything) 08:32 jin_xi ugh, my computer is way too old for this shit, was getting 1 fps and a high pitched whine from the fans running at max 08:32 VanessaE eek 08:32 Taoki Oh god... the mod paths changed AGAIN in latest GIT (during the last 2 weeks) 08:32 Taoki What is the mod structure this time, and what folder should I move them to >.> 08:32 VanessaE Taoki: ~/.minetest/mods 08:33 Taoki Thanks 08:33 VanessaE e.g. ~/.minetest/mods/homedecor/init.lua 08:33 Taoki Already there but mods don't show in the Configure menu 08:33 Taoki *any more 08:33 VanessaE I think that was already fixed in recent git 08:33 Taoki Using latest GIt now 08:33 VanessaE that damn lua menu has been all over the place since introduction 08:33 Taoki Pulled 5 minutes ago 08:34 VanessaE odd, they work for me 08:34 Taoki Not for me. Wonder why 08:36 Taoki The "Installed mods" menu also shows nothing 08:37 VanessaE I assume it ain't a run-in-place build? 08:39 Taoki hmm 08:39 Taoki run_in_place is off yes 08:39 VanessaE weird. 08:39 Taoki No, I think I did that intentionalily in cmake 08:39 Taoki So it means mods must be in user folder now? 08:40 VanessaE well if it's not run-in-place, then they need to be in ~/.minetest/mods 08:40 VanessaE but if it is, then it's just {minetestfolder}/mods 08:40 Taoki Any yes, that fixed it 08:41 Taoki Now it has something called unresolved name conflicts though. Whatever that is 08:41 Taoki Won't load the world any more 08:42 VanessaE generally that features pretty well 08:42 VanessaE I'm really surprised you're getting such errors 08:42 VanessaE are you sure you're on the right repo and branch? :) 08:43 Taoki It was a folder issue again, fixed 08:43 VanessaE permissions? 08:43 Taoki nah, paths 08:43 VanessaE oh k 08:43 VanessaE ok* 08:44 Taoki Ok... so does the new weather system also include particles and weather sounds? 08:44 VanessaE I think it's just a framework 08:44 VanessaE the actual visible weather is provided by a separate mod 08:44 Taoki nice 08:45 Taoki Where is that mod (unless it's the old Weather mod using the particle system, already have that one) 08:45 VanessaE I'm not sure off the top of my head 08:45 VanessaE but either paramat or proller made it, if that helps :) 08:45 PenguinDad at the moment weather only freezes ice xD 08:46 proller now weather mod with new system support here - https://github.com/proller/minetest-mod-weather/tree/weather 08:47 proller but it not finished, need to make variable strength of rain and snow 08:48 VanessaE proller: imho the temperatures can go WAY too high 08:48 VanessaE at the spawn on my server, it's 57C. 08:48 proller VanessaE, maybe, it need to fine tuning 08:49 proller and at one point it change ~ +-35c over 10 hours 08:49 VanessaE it varies over time? 08:49 proller yes 08:49 VanessaE neat 08:49 proller over "season" 08:49 VanessaE I didn't notice that before 08:49 proller over day-night 08:50 VanessaE imho then max temp should be about 43°C and lowest about -35°C 08:50 VanessaE (that's about -31 to +110°F) 08:52 VanessaE snow mod goes from -25 to somewhere in the +60°C range I think 08:52 VanessaE (the original Splizard one) 08:52 proller it needs in smart normalize, must not simply if (heat>43) heat = 43 - will make constant 43 in some areas 08:53 VanessaE true 08:53 VanessaE I'm just saying the min/max should never end up outside that range, or close to it anyway 08:53 proller maybe normalize depend on initial temp in this point 08:54 VanessaE whether by cutting it off or by normalizing/auto-balancing 08:54 proller will think about it.. 09:14 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Lighthouse Day! :-D 09:15 VanessaE hi\ 09:16 PenguinDad JamesTait: do you mean this: https://lighthouseapp.com/ :D 09:18 JamesTait PenguinDad, that looks like it, yeah. :-P 09:18 PenguinDad plol 09:20 VanessaE gotta run, 09:20 VanessaE time to try to sleep 09:20 VanessaE night all. 10:22 PenguinDad he recolored his signature -> https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=6589 10:36 kaeza O_o 10:44 Jordach i know what worldedit-infinity DOES. 10:46 kaeza it divides by zero? 10:46 kaeza no, wait, that is worldedit-NaN 10:46 kaeza :) 10:49 PenguinDad Jordach: something like infinite water and lava? 10:50 Jordach nope 10:50 Jordach if you have the worldedit priv; something special happens 10:51 Jordach (i actually talked to uberi on his fb for this info) 10:56 Jordach \o/ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104377#p104377 10:58 sfan5 Jordach: http://z0r.de/3730 10:59 Jordach you just crashed chrome -1 10:59 sfan5 hah 11:00 * sfan5 also knows what worldedit_infinity is supposed to do when its complete 11:01 sfan5 !seen Uberi 11:01 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen uberi around. 11:01 Jordach MUAHAHAHA 11:02 PenguinDad !seen Jeija 11:02 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen jeija around. 11:02 sfan5 !seen MinetestBot 11:02 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen minetestbot around. 11:02 Jordach Plot Twist: Jeija got sucked into a Minetest world 11:02 Jordach that's why we haven't seen him 11:02 thexyz that's not a real twist 11:02 sfan5 Inverse Plot Twist: A Minetest world got sucked into Jeija 11:03 thexyz how about Jeija is LM? 11:03 sfan5 ^ plot twist 11:03 Jordach doesnt make sense 11:03 PenguinDad Jeija was lost to the ether :P 11:03 Jordach 5 bucks pilzadam is sleeping in bed right now 11:04 sfan5 no, PilzAdam is sleeping in a mushroom 11:05 PenguinDad and now we what's behind PilzAdam's name 11:06 Jordach know* 11:06 Jordach in other news: i upgraded my Sam II model again 11:07 sfan5 SAM III\ 11:07 sfan5 s/\\/?/ 11:07 PenguinDad we should make a game named SAM 11:07 Jordach 'twas a complained model feature 11:08 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/297/untitled.png 11:09 Jordach something changed 11:10 * Jordach is recreating the minetest logo to be used in a blender short 11:13 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:13 sfan5 hi 11:13 Jordach hey PilzAdam http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/297/untitled.png 11:16 PilzAdam sfan5, stop using the spoiler thing 11:16 PilzAdam its annyoing 11:16 sfan5 no, it isn't 11:17 PilzAdam yes it is 11:18 Jordach spoilers are for people who dont want to read things....not to mention they spoil things :P 11:43 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Fix path of mono font in defaultsettings.cpp 218f82f798 2013-08-07T04:41:00-07:00 http://git.io/eAWD1Q 11:51 Jordach look familiar? http://i.imgur.com/Qk6PwtR.jpg 11:53 Jordach duplicated NODE for NODE 11:56 PenguinDad Jordach: good work 11:58 PenguinDad !g Jeija 11:58 MinetestBot PenguinDad: https://github.com/Jeija 12:00 PenguinDad When I search for Jeija I get this http://www.jeja.pl/ 12:00 PilzAdam google personalized search results... 12:00 PilzAdam +'s 12:01 Jordach !g "Jeija" 12:01 MinetestBot Jordach: https://github.com/Jeija 12:01 PenguinDad !title 12:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Jeija (Jeija) · GitHub 12:01 PenguinDad !title http://www.jeja.pl/ 12:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Jeja.pl - Serwis Rozrywkowy 12:02 proller Jordach, water must flow down 8) 12:03 PenguinDad PilzAdam: the google personalized results are sometimes crazy 12:03 PilzAdam s/sometimes// 12:03 * PilzAdam slaps PenguinDad with ixquick.com 12:05 thexyz wait, do you actually trust what they write? 12:05 PenguinDad thexyz: no 12:05 Calinou better give your data to a small company than google, I guess 12:06 thexyz what's the difference if everything ends up in nsa 12:07 Calinou google doesn't make money 12:08 thexyz why is that a problem? 12:09 * Jordach is busy making UV Maps for certain blocks 12:11 Calinou better help small companies than big ones 12:14 Jordach mhm 12:18 Jordach proller, i would use water; but it isn't finite 12:18 Jordach D: 12:18 Jordach :D* 12:19 proller and now some water may be frozen 12:19 Jordach HOLD ON 12:19 Jordach why cant we have our own skyblock? where we LIVE ON the Minetest LOGO?> 12:20 proller and need in lava block at bottom 12:20 Jordach proller, yup 12:22 Jordach i'm probably going to build a texture atlas for blender 12:23 Jordach (so you can pick a blocks texture and relative sides) 12:32 Jordach just done about 27% of the minetest logo 12:35 Jordach hello PilzAdam 12:35 Jordach you should buy 20m CAT5 12:35 Jordach cable* 12:36 * PenguinDad throws a bucket full of lava at PilzAdam's wifi unicorn. 12:36 * Calinou does kinky stuff to PilzAdam's wifi unicorn. 12:39 Jordach O.O 12:51 Jordach NOOOOOO! 12:52 bas080 it's ok Jordach 12:52 Jordach bas080, the UV isnt the right way up 12:52 Jordach i have to manually rotate each face 12:52 Jordach one by one in blender 12:53 Calinou r-(axis)-90 12:53 Calinou done 12:54 Jordach Calinou, lol 12:57 Jordach Calinou, i'm working on a blender version of blockmen's most recent wallpaper 12:57 Jordach with Sam II 13:13 Jordach dammit proller_ - stop using wifi :P 13:13 * Jordach attacks proller_'s wifi pony 13:13 Jordach and there's no calinou to stop me >:D 13:14 proller_ i'm updating freebsd via wifi 13:14 Jordach ah 13:14 * Jordach prefers PC-BSD 13:14 PenguinDad Jordach: it's a unicorn not a pony 13:14 proller_ Fetching 23675 files... 13:15 Jordach there are unicorns in MLP; calinou has said this 13:15 Jordach MULTIPLE times. 13:15 PenguinDad i wasn't there in this time 13:15 PenguinDad *here 13:20 webdesigner97 hi 13:20 webdesigner97 How can I access custom variables declared in the entity definition when I have it's objectRef? 13:29 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/userlist.php?show_group=-1&sort_by=num_posts&sort_dir=ASC&username=-&p=77 <- 77 pages of users with 0 Posts 13:37 PenguinDad PilzAdam: hmmmm many register only for reading the forum :/ 13:38 thexyz i wonder how many false highlights hmmmm gets per day 13:38 hmmmm like 3 or 4 13:39 PenguinDad that's the problem with such names 13:42 Evergreen But it isn't a problem if you are not lazy and actually push the tab key :P 13:44 PenguinDad I think that should be moved into the Other Languages section -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104409#p104409 13:45 Evergreen who here likes any kind of EDM? 13:45 Evergreen *who here 13:45 Evergreen Whoops, that was unintentional. :P 13:45 hoodedice !seen Peacock 13:45 MinetestBot hoodedice: peacock was last seen at 2013-08-07 02:12:05 UTC on #minetest 13:46 hoodedice I infer that Peacock left three minutes ago 13:46 Evergreen !seen sfan5 13:46 MinetestBot Evergreen: sfan5 was last seen at 2013-08-07 11:14:19 UTC on #minetest 13:46 hoodedice (Wrong. You forgot to take the time in 24 HOURS) 13:49 Jordach fuck me running, this bass is ticking my ear :O 13:50 hoodedice How can bass tickle ears? 13:50 Jordach hoodedice, 40hz is nearly at 130% 13:50 hoodedice Ohhhhhhkaaaaaaaaayyyyy 13:51 sfan5 !seen Evergreen 13:51 MinetestBot sfan5: evergreen was last seen at 2013-08-07 13:44:04 UTC on #minetest 13:51 hoodedice But how does one 'fuck off to bed'? 13:51 Evergreen Lol 13:52 PenguinDad !seen PenguinD1 13:52 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen penguind1 around. 13:57 PenguinDad !c x*i 13:57 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 13:57 sfan5 !c google 13:57 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 13:57 sfan5 google can't calculate itself 13:57 PenguinDad google = 10 13:57 PenguinDad !c google 13:57 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 13:58 thexyz 10¹⁰⁰ 13:58 Jordach !c PI 13:58 MinetestBot 3.14159265 13:58 thexyz !c gogol 13:58 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 13:58 Jordach !c 10^100 13:58 MinetestBot 1.0 × 10^(100) 13:58 thexyz !c googol 13:58 MinetestBot 1.0 × 10^(100) 13:59 PilzAdam !c googolplex 13:59 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 13:59 PenguinDad !c the answer to life, the universe and everything 13:59 MinetestBot 42 14:00 lordcirth Really? It can't handle a googolplex? 14:01 Jordach lordcirth, MinetestBot == python 14:01 PilzAdam Jordach, !c == google calculator 14:04 PenguinDad !c Googolplex 14:04 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 14:04 PenguinDad !c Millillion 14:04 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 14:05 PenguinDad google calculator == bad 14:15 Jordach you are fucking kidding me 14:15 Jordach for a test wallpaper i end up making perfect IRL like shadows 14:20 Evergreen !c 1+1 14:20 MinetestBot 2 14:20 Evergreen Hey minetest bot, your pretty cool 14:20 Evergreen Who made minetest bot? 14:24 PenguinDad Evergreen: sfan5 made MinetestBot in Python 14:24 Evergreen Well then, awesome job, sfan5 14:24 sfan5 Evergreen: http://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules 14:26 PenguinDad sfan5: could that be moved into other languages? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6841 14:27 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ip4u81F.png 14:27 sfan5 PenguinDad: done 14:27 Jordach five hours of work ladies and gentlemen 14:27 Evergreen Awesome! 14:27 Jordach that's a duplicate in blender 14:27 Jordach now i need the icing on the cake; Sam II 14:27 lordcirth Anyone interested in making textures for a keyboard and an old-style console? 14:28 Jordach meh 14:28 Jordach sdzen is your man for that 14:29 PilzAdam bbl 14:30 * Jordach tries to get the water transparent 14:31 Jordach yay water is rendering clear, but it's got that "blue depth" the game gives it 14:33 Niften Hey 14:33 Jordach hello Niften 14:33 Evergreen Hi 14:33 PenguinDad Niften: use a real IRC client 14:33 Calinou PenguinDad: why? 14:33 Jordach i should say good morning Niften 14:34 Calinou if you don't need it, why install one? 14:34 kaeza O_o 14:34 Jordach you are joking 14:34 Jordach Taoki, next you make a player model: don't fuck with the lighting / shadow systems 14:34 PenguinDad Calinou: I don't like that people use webchat 14:34 Calinou well, http://hexchat.github.io then 14:34 hoodedice No, I'm not 14:35 hoodedice Peacock 14:35 Peacock yup 14:35 hoodedice Having issues connecting 14:35 Peacock your name doesn't show in terminal 14:36 Peacock got one 5-digit name and two guest names banned tho 14:36 PenguinDad Calinou: why are you using a desktop client then? 14:36 hoodedice When I came up, my bro was playing single player 14:36 hoodedice brb 14:36 Calinou because I need it, I have a lot of channels and several networks 14:36 Peacock try release/renew ip and check he didn't clear your username 14:37 Evergreen Hey sfan5, why did you ban ragnar? 14:37 sfan5 Evergreen: it wasn't me 14:37 Evergreen Who was it then? :P 14:38 reactor Evening. 14:38 Evergreen Something interesting about me: I never had a true survival world. My main survival world is basically redcrab's server. :P 14:38 Evergreen I only test stuff with my minetest worlds 14:39 Peacock i banned ragnar for soliciting sexual favours on the forums 14:39 Niften Skyping Preston. 14:39 Niften right now. 14:39 Evergreen Who are you on the forums Peacock? 14:39 Peacock mauvebic (the guy with the shining pic) 14:39 lordcirth The survival game doesn't work for me. It loads with all textures invisible 14:39 Calinou the canadian* 14:40 Evergreen ah ok 14:40 Calinou Niften: skype is evil® 14:40 Evergreen Never new that 14:40 Peacock theres more than one canadian :P though i think all the other ones may be asian 14:40 Calinou Evergreen: Ragnar was tempbanned for having too much time on their hands and spending it on the forums. 14:40 Calinou and in general, being immature 14:40 Calinou 3 day ban 14:40 Evergreen k' 14:40 Jordach hello reactor 14:40 * Jordach closes the case of Niften = reactor 14:41 Niften -.- 14:41 reactor What?! 14:41 * Calinou opens the case of Jordach = reactor 14:41 Evergreen Well, I kind of have too much time on my hands, and I spend on youtube, minetest forums, and IRC. :P 14:41 Niften :D 14:41 * Jordach slaps Calinou 14:41 reactor Who the hell is Niften? 14:41 svuorela the conclusion is that Jordach == Niften ? 14:41 Niften :OOOO 14:41 Jordach none, both are here 14:41 Peacock hoodedice ifyou pm your ip ill see if youre one of the guests that got themselves banned 14:41 reactor What are you talking about? 14:42 reactor But so you know, I am not a reactor. 14:42 Niften reactor == Jordach 14:42 reactor That's only my nick. 14:42 reactor Niften: hell no 14:42 Jordach haha 14:42 Niften Reactor == Reactor 14:42 reactor No. 14:42 Niften Maybe? 14:42 Niften :OOO 14:42 Niften it speaks! 14:43 Niften *rather types 14:43 reactor unsigned pwned int Niften; 14:43 Evergreen Also, I found a cool program called Guake. It is a multitasker's ream. :P 14:44 Evergreen *dream 14:44 lordcirth Evergreen, Guake is awesome, also Yakuake for KDE 14:44 Calinou meh, I just alt-tab to terminal 14:44 Jordach Evergreen, http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/297/untitled.medium.png 14:44 Jordach new mouth get 14:44 Jordach oh shit 14:44 Jordach i draw a monocle on that 14:45 Evergreen Awesome 14:45 lordcirth On every distro I set up, I either have a drop-down terminal, or a terminal fullscreened on desktop 2 14:45 Peacock for some reason twoelk can connect to my server but not brandreese's, and we both got anticheat on 14:45 Jordach a re-did the mouth 14:45 hoodedice Hmm, yeah, I saw some Guest5xxxx when I switched to multiplayer 14:46 hoodedice It was kinda suspicious. Singleplayer takes 15 minutes to load 14:46 Peacock can you switch IPs because finding it in a long list of Guests#### is like needle in a haystack lol 14:46 Niften hehe 14:46 hoodedice But he said he started playing immediately 14:46 Niften :O 14:46 hoodedice Wait 14:46 hoodedice Can't. 14:46 hoodedice I don't have a router 14:46 Peacock shit, PM it to me ill edit the banlist 14:47 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104432#p104432 14:47 Jordach Evergreen, ^ 14:47 hoodedice (Minetest forums have no in-built PM functions.) 14:47 Niften Preston is coming on 14:47 hoodedice (SAD) 14:47 Niften :o 14:47 Niften the IRC 14:47 Evergreen Awesome job! The tree and the water looks a bit off though 14:47 Peacock irc pm 14:47 reactor Meh. 14:48 reactor Forums. 14:48 Peacock if you cant sign on you cant pm me ingame lol 14:48 Evergreen Still great! 14:48 reactor Why don't you use mailing lists, people?! 14:48 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:48 Niften hi 14:48 Niften Derp 14:48 reactor They're more lightweight and flexible than forums. 14:48 Niften Jordach preston isch here 14:48 Jordach we noticed 14:48 Peacock mailing lists? the 90's called 14:48 Jordach Evergreen, the water is transparent 14:49 Niften Ya 14:49 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:49 Evergreen The texture looks weird though 14:49 Jordach Evergreen, default_water.png without removal of alpha (i let blender handle water.) 14:49 Niften Hehe 14:49 hoodedice Still doesn't connect 14:49 Peacock i need your ip first before i can unban 14:49 Jordach Evergreen, minetest trees are usually 3-5 nodes in height 14:49 hoodedice (Wait. IP ban. You dumbass) 14:49 hoodedice *Facealm* 14:49 hoodedice **Facepalm* 14:49 Jordach BM's was 2 14:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:50 Peacock i cant guess which of the hundred or so IPs/guestnames you got assigned :p 14:50 hoodedice Peacock, how do I PM you? 14:50 Jordach hmm? i cant recall yesterday well 14:50 Evergreen The texture looks zoomed in on the water, and the tree leaves aren't in the right arangement 14:50 Peacock right cvlick my name 14:50 hoodedice email, FedEx? 14:50 Peacock *cick 14:50 kaeza lol 14:50 Peacock tabarnacle 14:50 Peacock *click 14:50 Jordach hoodedice, /msg Peacock 14:50 kaeza hoodedice, /query Peacock 14:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:51 Evergreen Sometimes I get mauvebic and kaeza confused. :P 14:51 hoodedice msg or query? 14:51 Niften nu uh 14:51 Peacock how? the names are completely different :P 14:51 kaeza O_o 14:51 Jordach Prestotron562, feel free to explain making a game out of other peoples mods 14:51 Niften I didn't lie Prestotron562 14:51 Evergreen Ik, but for some reason, I just do 14:51 Jordach and re-naming of the engine 14:51 Niften Prestotron562 14:52 Evergreen Hey sfan5: what do you usually use for code editing? (more specifically, python) 14:52 Peacock did a whois lol try connecting now 14:52 sfan5 Evergreen: gedit 14:52 Niften Everyone say his name so he gets spammed YAYYAYAYAYA 14:52 Niften xD 14:52 Niften Prestotron562 14:52 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:52 kaeza his name 14:52 hoodedice No, 14:52 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:52 Evergreen I use Geany, because it lists variables, objects, classes and such 14:53 Jordach Prestotron562, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic_game 14:53 Jordach already done 14:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:53 kaeza Evergreen, geany is one of the best for Python editing 14:53 kaeza either that or IDLE 14:53 Evergreen Ik, I cna tell 14:53 Evergreen *can 14:53 reactor Oh, here they go again. 14:53 sfan5 Evergreen: I always use a plain text editor, variable list and so is nice, but I usually don't need it.. also IDLE is nice 14:53 Evergreen IT is probably the best code editor out there 14:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:53 Niften It took him that long to realize. 14:53 Niften xD 14:53 lordcirth vim is better. 14:53 reactor You don't need all this fancy stuff to write programs. Just learn vi. 14:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:54 Evergreen If I need to do something small, SciTE or gedit is what I use 14:54 Niften Thanks Jordach for having him realize :P 14:54 lordcirth reactor, vi is a bit hard, vim is nice 14:54 Niften Prestotron562 14:54 kaeza lol vi[m] 14:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:54 Jordach Prestotron562, that's fine, jsut remember to ask the community if they need things 14:54 Evergreen Also, I discovered a nice python editor for the terminal called bpython 14:54 Jordach well, if you need things 14:54 Niften Jordach 14:54 Jordach either way, take and give with this community 14:54 Niften Are we all good now? 14:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:55 Jordach Prestotron562, i'm a forum moderator. i'm no where as mean as pilzadam or c55 14:55 Jordach i also make blender art of minetest 14:55 Niften I make art too 14:55 Niften Not blender, Cinema4D 14:55 Niften :D 14:55 Evergreen I have to admit, I can be kind of mean sometimes, but no where close to Pilzadam 14:55 kaeza trolling is a art 14:56 reactor No, it's a sexual practice. 14:56 Niften Can you link me to the rig of your Minetest guy 14:56 Niften ? 14:56 Niften Jordach? 14:56 Evergreen Blender, not Cinema4D 14:56 Jordach Niften, yes, i use blender 14:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:56 Niften I know. 14:56 reactor lordcirth: when I say "vi" I mean "vi in general", it doesn't have to be the original vi. 14:56 bas080 I want a function like get_biome(pos) == "jungle" f.e. Has this been implemented and is there an example of it? 14:56 reactor But I like the original vi fine. 14:56 Jordach Prestotron562, any collection of mods could be called an extension to minetest_game 14:56 Niften Jordach, can you link me to the rig you use? 14:56 Jordach Niften, it's a blender model; should be incompatible with C4D 14:56 Evergreen In the latest minetest version, how does one define a biome? 14:57 Niften I have a blender converter. 14:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:57 Niften :o 14:57 bas080 Evergreen, there is something like https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2156 14:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:57 Jordach Evergreen, https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest 14:57 Jordach ^ that has biome defs 14:57 bas080 Jordach, am checking that 14:57 Evergreen Okay, thanks 14:57 Peacock Canadian Biomes: Winter, More Winter, Still Winter, and Construction 14:58 Jordach Prestotron562, Niften: feel free to do whatever YOU LIKE with the engine; but when you're done with your game post it on the forums, we'll be waiting. 14:58 Evergreen I usually either get my code from default, or someone elses mod 14:58 Jordach (if it's like minetest_game, forum it) 14:58 Niften Why on the forums? 14:58 Peacock unless youre on the west coast, in which case its Rain, Rain, Rain, Junky Seasons 14:58 Niften Oh 14:58 reactor By the way. 14:58 Niften Mkk 14:58 reactor How's the patch, sfan5? 14:58 Niften HA. Not Mk. 14:58 hoodedice You ain't in the tropics bro 14:58 bas080 Jordach, this only counts for on_generate 14:58 lordcirth reactor, well, it is nice that its 330 kb, as opposed to vim at 26.4 MB :) 14:59 Evergreen Huh, I'll have to try making some biomes, and I'll see what I come up with 14:59 reactor lordcirth: oh yeah 14:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 14:59 Jordach Niften, then others can play your game built from minetest_game or it's ilk 14:59 bas080 but what if i want to get_biome(pos) not on generate 14:59 reactor lordcirth: and I don't need code highlighting 14:59 Evergreen Also, is it possible to make trees nly spawn in a certain niome? 14:59 hoodedice It's either DAMN HOT or DAMN COLD or DAMN RAINY 14:59 Jordach Evergreen, yes 14:59 reactor lordcirth: because it's only distracting imho 14:59 Niften Jordach 14:59 Evergreen If so, how? 14:59 Jordach Niften, mhm 14:59 Niften In the next update it won't be compatible 14:59 Jordach ahh 14:59 Niften with the minetest-engine. 14:59 bas080 Evergreen, i think so. https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest/blob/master/mods/deco/init.lua#L143 14:59 reactor IceCraft: it's more practical to learn to see what is what on your own; so you don't get confused if something breaks 15:00 reactor oops 15:00 reactor I mean, lordcirth 15:00 Niften I rewrote alot of the code from the core engine. xLOLxTSNOOPS is compiling it as we speak. 15:00 Jordach Niften, feel free; but remember to INCLUDE the changed source code 15:00 Jordach when selling / distributing 15:00 Niften Wait what? 15:00 Jordach that's part of the LGPL license 15:00 Niften I'm not selling it though 15:00 Niften Oh... 15:00 Jordach okay, but you still have to though, (any code is also under LGPL too) 15:01 lordcirth reactor, That's one way of looking at it. I find syntax highlighting quite useful, but I certainly don't depend on it 15:01 Peacock otherwise zealots will come to your use and cut you with Trisquell CD's :p 15:01 Peacock *house 15:01 reactor lordcirth: mk 15:01 reactor lordcirth: but I like some features of vi 15:01 reactor lordcirth: for instance, its changeable status line 15:03 lordcirth reactor, the main problem I have with vi is never knowing what mode you're in. 15:03 reactor meh 15:03 reactor just remember to escape every time you switch elsewhere 15:03 Jordach Evergreen, i cant change the uv on the water 15:03 Jordach and anyways, when was water IRL tiling and perfect 15:04 Evergreen True. :P 15:04 Jordach i did try to put a water modifier on to the water (so it looks and moves like water 15:04 Evergreen Does anyone here like EDM? 15:04 * Jordach nods 15:04 Jordach Evergreen, http://di.fm 15:05 Jordach < 30 channels 15:05 Jordach !title 15:05 MinetestBot Jordach: Digitally Imported - addictive electronic music 15:05 Evergreen For EDM, I usually like browsing monstercat, or any EDM district partnered promoters 15:06 Evergreen And also beatport ofc 15:06 hoodedice Hey Peacock 15:06 Peacock whats up? 15:07 hoodedice Why isn't the server 24x7? 15:07 bas080 How can i get the biome at a certain location? 15:07 bas080 not on generate 15:07 Peacock i pay a powerbill for this flat :p 15:08 Peacock last place I could have, but its too late now 15:08 Niften Jordach, is the minetest-master outdated? 15:08 hoodedice i pay a powerbill for this flat :p 15:08 hoodedice =) 15:08 Jordach Niften, https://github.com/minetest/minetest is always upto date 15:08 Niften I know. 15:09 Peacock though i wonder, does a 650W psu consume all 650W if most of the cables aren't plugged into anything? 15:09 Niften Preston said it wasn;'t ^^ 15:09 Niften I saw PilzAdam's code on texturepacks 15:09 Niften So I knew it wasn't 0.3.1 15:09 Jordach Niften, always grab the latest - but my choice is to develop a bunch of mods that work in sync and call them a game 15:09 hoodedice It doesn't 15:09 lordcirth Peacock, actually, the wattage is the maximum output, you have to add resistance. And no, it will use very little power if the computer is idling 15:09 Jordach fun fact; i wrote the first editon of the wool mod 15:09 Niften I'm doing that right now 15:10 Jordach the one in minetest_game was a fork 15:10 Peacock i bought a powerful one for the p4 since the last one practically melted the fan lol 15:10 Jordach whoops 15:11 bas080 Jordach, i made the first cotton plant 15:11 Jordach mhm 15:11 Evergreen YEah, I know that you did 15:12 hoodedice The other realms, what were they? 15:12 PenguinDad F_F 15:12 PenguinDad sorry 15:12 Peacock hmm shit, i think Vulcan, Andor, Tellar, Dytallix and QoNos 15:12 PenguinDad star trek FTW! 15:13 Peacock waiting for paramat to rewrite moonrealm to use voxmynipples before i let people back onto those realms 15:13 sfan5 voxelmanip* 15:13 * Jordach laughs uncontrollably 15:13 PenguinDad plol 15:13 Jordach plol too 15:14 sfan5 plol 15:14 hoodedice voxmynipples? ROFL 15:14 Peacock dont blame me :P its started with paramats "vox ma nips" which became "vox my nips" to finally "voxmynipples" :P 15:14 hoodedice haha 15:15 Peacock i noticed he's since removed the meme (or someone did for him) :P 15:15 reactor Hmm. 15:15 reactor Anyone got rc script for minetesterver? 15:16 Peacock voxelmanip is so awkward to say/type though 15:16 sfan5 Calinou: I have a gift for you: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/rainbowdash.png 15:16 Calinou though i wonder, does a 650W psu consume all 650W if most of the cables aren't plugged into anything? 15:16 Calinou no 15:16 Peacock comes out looking/sounding like Voxel Man IP 15:16 Calinou sfan5: seems legit 15:16 Niften hehe 15:16 sfan5 Peacock: can I alias your nick to mauvebic? 15:16 Peacock i woulda gone with something like chunkedit 15:17 Peacock will that change anything at my end? 15:17 sfan5 no 15:17 Peacock then go ahead :-) 15:17 sfan5 but at the irc statistics 15:17 Peacock i only read logs i dont really care about stats 15:17 Peacock im not an actuary lol 15:18 Niften I'm going to get blender. 15:18 Jordach Niften, it's FREE. 15:18 Niften I know. 15:18 Jordach and Open Source, like Minetest 15:18 Jordach :D 15:18 Niften I downloaded it a few years back :D 15:18 Niften But I got a new laptop 15:18 Niften So I don't have it anymore :( 15:18 Jordach BTW guys: Pavel_S isn't able to be around as he's got things to be doing nowadays 15:18 Jordach he'll be back at some point though 15:19 Calinou sfan5: what's the image? :P 15:19 Calinou that 15:19 reactor and agriculturally 15:19 hoodedice Peacock, I need more of the TRN lights 15:19 hoodedice In colour:orange 15:20 Jordach hello NekoGloop 15:20 NekoGloop sup 15:20 Peacock orange neons? 15:20 Peacock i dont even have a full set of the blue ones :P 15:21 Peacock like the floor ones but for ceilings and walls (with all the turns and Ts) 15:21 hoodedice hmm 15:21 Peacock when they add the ability to change textures on the same nodes, ill make the set multi-color :-) 15:21 hoodedice I wish I could help, but I don't have the needed time and stuf 15:21 Jordach NekoGloop, just made two new renders 15:22 Jordach :P 15:22 * NekoGloop noms Jordach 15:22 Peacock i added two new glasses tho, a bit more variety there 15:22 * Evergreen noms NekoGloop 15:22 Peacock mbocks:2,3 15:22 * NekoGloop owie 15:22 Peacock *mblocks 15:23 sfan5 Calinou: look at it 15:23 Peacock something like tiles1, tiles2, etc. (or multiple tables for tiles, same effect) 15:24 * Calinou hammers sfan5 using powerjack 15:24 Jordach o.o 15:24 Jordach plol 15:25 hoodedice I think the inventory should have some sort of pull down menu feature 15:26 Jordach sfan5, delete the two nicks i and a 15:26 Peacock dont think there is a dropdown formspec element 15:26 hoodedice Like there will be generic blocks, and when you click on it, you get a menu to select the colour 15:26 Peacock i was thinking of categorizing nodes tho 15:26 hoodedice Someone should code it the ^.^ 15:26 hoodedice *then 15:26 sfan5 sfan5: how? 15:26 Peacock id probably add a extra field to the nodefef or sort them by mod 15:28 Peacock though at least with the uber-large inventory 840 items fits on four pages :p 15:30 Peacock thank god though i can offer a decent game with just 13 mods :p 15:31 hoodedice Indeed 15:31 hoodedice Though it is missing mesecons 15:32 Peacock well im not "missing" it lol 15:32 Peacock its too heavy 15:32 Jordach and now my ears are ringing 15:32 Peacock besides i dont want people building clocks and calculators and computers on my server, thats realllly not voxely 15:33 hoodedice *TR9 Light doesnt work* 15:33 Peacock depends how you place them 15:33 Peacock they dont all shoot light in the same direction 15:33 Octupuslegs hi 15:33 hoodedice I put them on the ceiling 15:34 Peacock what do the 9's look like again? 15:34 hoodedice four squares seperate from each other, white on the bottom, brown on top 15:35 Peacock okay yeah that shoots in 4 directions down-diagonally 15:35 Peacock try punching it once 15:36 Evergreen Just discovered a song that is probably my favorite. It's called Razihel & Virtual Riot - One for All, All for one 15:36 hoodedice No. Doesn't work 15:36 Peacock how much clearance did you give underneath? 15:37 hoodedice 2 blocks 15:37 Peacock yeah that wont do much 15:37 Peacock try one of the wall neons (the up<-> down one) 15:37 hoodedice Doesnt work on 4 blocks too 15:38 Peacock the oldest fixtures are usually the trickiest to place 15:38 Peacock which is why i mostly use neons indoors 15:40 Exio4 hi! 15:47 lordcirth Found a bug in minetest engine. If you click on a label in a formspec, and hit Enter, it segfaults 15:47 hoodedice segfaults? 15:48 rubenwardy Hi all 15:48 hoodedice Yo 15:48 lordcirth hoodedice, "Segmentation fault. Core dumped" - the classic C/C++ error 15:48 hoodedice Got a reply from any review thingy? 15:48 rubenwardy no 15:48 hoodedice lordcirth : If only I was a real programmer 15:48 PenguinDad "Core Dumped" xD 15:48 hoodedice Hello 15:49 TheUniversalBuil Hello? 15:49 rubenwardy Also makes me think of Portal 15:49 TheUniversalBuil Lol 15:49 lordcirth hoodedice, lol. In future, if you see that, you know the program is a variant of C, and just failed badly 15:49 hoodedice Peacock, guy with a citizenship request 15:49 hoodedice =) 15:49 PenguinDad rubenwardy: makes me think of nethack 15:49 Peacock you want him in yours? 15:49 hoodedice I don't know 15:49 Peacock lets wait and see, 15:49 Peacock if he builds nice 15:49 hoodedice Universal, which nation do you want to join? 15:49 Peacock things 15:50 TheUniversalBuil I dunno, Im completely noob 15:50 TheUniversalBuil Cause I just joined yesterday haha 15:50 Peacock ive seen that name before last week 15:50 Calinou hi TheUniversalBuil 15:50 TheUniversalBuil Hello? 15:51 TheUniversalBuil I just signed up yseterday lol 15:51 Peacock well people have to build for a while before im sure they wont wreck other people's projects in their countries 15:51 hoodedice Peacock, put him in Uruk for now 15:51 Exio4 ehm 15:51 Peacock allright, if he wrecks shit let me now 15:52 hoodedice OK 15:52 Peacock you set a password universal? 15:52 TheUniversalBuil Oh yeah 15:53 hoodedice Peacock, guy named Viruze says he teleported himself to prison 15:53 Peacock i'll need to restart for the change to take effect, let me know when it suits you guys 15:53 Peacock why would he do such a silly thing? 15:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:54 hoodedice I did that too, before I was a citizen =P 15:54 hoodedice But we had lava in those days 15:54 Peacock he'll have to come back with a different name before he gets himself banned for griefing the prison :p 15:54 TheUniversalBuil Hahah 15:54 hoodedice Lol 15:54 Octupuslegs Calinou,what server so you play on now ? 15:54 hoodedice Universal, get back tomorrow 15:54 Calinou Octupuslegs: none 15:54 Calinou oh, also, hi 15:54 TheUniversalBuil How did he teleport himself there? 15:54 kaeza Octupuslegs, o/ 15:55 TheUniversalBuil ok? 15:55 Peacock its on the teleport list 15:55 hoodedice You can 15:55 Peacock which means i can move the prison whenever i feel like it 15:55 TheUniversalBuil oh 15:55 Octupuslegs kaeza, :DD 15:55 hoodedice Better remove it for stupidity's sake 15:55 Peacock cant 15:55 TheUniversalBuil Lol 15:55 Peacock autojail looks for the "Prison" entry 15:55 TheUniversalBuil So could you tell me the rules? 15:56 Peacock they were at spawn when you first came in 15:56 Peacock find a teleporter and head back to Spawn 15:56 TheUniversalBuil ok 15:57 hoodedice So, what happens to this guy? 15:57 TheUniversalBuil Do commands work? 15:58 hoodedice What sort? 15:58 Peacock wtf, do you have a hacked client hoodedice? 15:58 hoodedice No? 15:58 hoodedice 0.4.7 stable 15:58 TheUniversalBuil Woah 15:58 TheUniversalBuil Wtf 15:58 hoodedice Why? 15:59 Peacock did you get kicked off? 15:59 hoodedice I logged off simply 15:59 hoodedice Did I get banned again? 15:59 lordcirth Is the default on_rightclick() just a call to show_formspec ? 16:00 Peacock ACTION[ServerThread]: hoodedice interacted too far 16:00 Peacock 11:57:40: ACTION[ServerThread]: hoodedice banned for using a hacked client 16:00 hoodedice *facepalm* 16:00 hoodedice I think lag. 16:00 Peacock i think im gonna re-disable this anticheat stuff 16:01 Octupuslegs theres hacked clients now :o 16:01 hoodedice Half the time I interact with x block, then move away to interact with another block while the server updates that 16:01 Octupuslegs where have i been 16:01 hoodedice It seems so. 16:01 Peacock yeah im disabling anticheat, too many false positives 16:01 hoodedice Open-source. Do what the fudge you want. 16:01 sfan5 Peacock: I F**KING TOLD YOU TO NOT BAN ANYONE FOR INTERACTED_TOO_FAAR BECAUSE THAT CAN HAPPEN WITHOUT A HACKET CLIENT!!!!! 16:01 sfan5 -A 16:01 sfan5 s/HACKET/HACKED/ 16:01 Peacock de-caps 16:02 hoodedice Hmm, Peacock, if no citizen is on, you might go ahead and restart 16:02 hoodedice I'm leaving for now 16:02 Peacock well if i cant count on anticheat for autoban, what good is it to me? 16:02 hoodedice TheUniversalBuil 16:03 * OldCoder will return 16:03 TheUniversalBuil yes? 16:03 hoodedice I need some mail id which you check frequently 16:03 hoodedice skype, @facebook, @gmail, anything 16:04 Calinou sfan5: you shouldn't ban for anything but undiggable then 16:05 Peacock fixed banlist, added universal to uruk, and disabled anticheat :-) 16:05 hoodedice universal to uruk? 16:05 TheUniversalBuil :S 16:05 Peacock universalbuilder 16:05 TheUniversalBuil Oh 16:05 hoodedice oh 16:05 TheUniversalBuil I dunno what happen 16:06 TheUniversalBuil I think I dug a block by accedent 16:06 hoodedice Universal, I need any mail id you use 16:06 Peacock restarted with the above changes 16:06 hoodedice Server was restarted that's why you disconnected 16:06 TheUniversalBuil Ok 16:06 * rubenwardy is making a tiled RTS 16:06 TheUniversalBuil So just give an email adress I use? 16:06 kahrl rubenwardy, similar to ternadim? 16:06 hoodedice Yeah, any you check regularly 16:07 rubenwardy more like Anno 1404 16:07 TheUniversalBuil Ok 16:07 Peacock hoodedice is admin of uruk, so what he says goes (there) 16:07 TheUniversalBuil How do I private chat? 16:07 rubenwardy /msg 16:07 hoodedice *slash*msg hoodedice 16:07 rubenwardy or right click name, query 16:07 rubenwardy /query hoodedice 16:08 hoodedice right click wont work in a browser 16:08 PenguinDad hoodedice: with AJAX 16:08 hoodedice AJAX? 16:09 PenguinDad !g AJAX 16:09 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) 16:09 PenguinDad ^ hoodedice 16:09 TheUniversalBuil Did the private message work? 16:10 hoodedice Ya 16:10 Peacock tell Viruze to sign in with a different name 16:10 Peacock and this time, dont visit the prison lol 16:13 TheUniversalBuil Does minetest accept programming? 16:13 hoodedice As in? 16:13 TheUniversalBuil and what language? 16:13 hoodedice Minetest engine is C++ 16:13 hoodedice And modding API is lua 16:14 TheUniversalBuil Oh 16:14 TheUniversalBuil wow 16:14 TheUniversalBuil Nice 16:14 hoodedice Open source. Do what the Fudge you want. 16:14 PenguinDad and the API itself is C 16:17 Exio4 there isn't any "real C" here 16:17 Exio4 minetest is C++ and lua 16:18 rubenwardy TheUniversalBuil: www.minetest.net/development 16:21 hoodedice l.a.g 16:22 Peacock ping says 217 (about normal for me) 16:22 hoodedice 217 between PCs in your own house? 16:22 Peacock i need to reduce the speed of the dig tools 16:22 Peacock thatll help 16:23 Peacock no 217 according to servers.minetest.net 16:25 hoodedice TheUnversalBuil is confused 16:26 Peacock well theres not much i can do about the education system in his country 16:26 hoodedice -.- That was. HARSH 16:27 rubenwardy A complicated design document for my game: http://ubuntuone.com/0MRopcdwLvLWnMRgenzY8T 16:27 hoodedice BRB 16:27 rubenwardy (image) 16:27 hoodedice What is Pread? 16:27 rubenwardy Bread, probably 16:27 rubenwardy It is a greek game 16:27 hoodedice Nice bedsheet 16:28 Peacock well "confused" is very broad, id need to know about what exactly 16:28 hoodedice About the teleporter. 16:28 hoodedice He's actually *walking* to Uruk 16:28 thexyz Fish → Stone 16:28 Peacock if he's lost then he should jump off a ledge he'll respawn at Spawn and from there can teleport 16:28 hoodedice Done walking 16:28 thexyz everything → stone 16:28 rubenwardy Store :P 16:29 thexyz ooh 16:29 hoodedice Stone age 16:29 Peacock one helluva walk lol uruk aint exactly next door lol 16:29 rubenwardy gtg in a minute 16:30 Peacock ill bbl (server stayin up) 16:35 thexyz why is this topic in trash? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6832 16:35 hoodedice ?? 16:35 * sfan5 didn't do it 16:36 sfan5 probably because its duplicate or so 16:36 sfan5 !title 16:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Forum message — Minetest Forums 16:36 TheUniversalBuil LOL education in my country? 16:36 TheUniversalBuil Yeah its america :( 16:37 hoodedice Dude? You seen any BIG WHITE FLIPPIN BUILDINGS? 16:37 Exio4 TheUniversalBuil: latin america ftw 16:38 TheUniversalBuil Yes 16:40 TheUniversalBuil There are two frickin buildings behind me LOL one is yellow and one is white 16:40 hoodedice Yeah. Where are they 16:40 TheUniversalBuil The white one has teleporters I think 16:40 hoodedice Lead me 16:40 TheUniversalBuil How can you no see the,?? Rofl 16:40 TheUniversalBuil *them 16:41 hoodedice The chunks are taking ages to load 16:41 TheUniversalBuil OH LOL 16:41 TheUniversalBuil Hah 16:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:41 TheUniversalBuil Yo 16:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:41 TheUniversalBuil Nothing much, you? 16:42 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:42 hoodedice I so hate server lags 16:43 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:43 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:43 Jordach Prestotron562, technic_game was there a LONG TIME ago 16:43 hoodedice Tekkit? 16:43 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6412 16:43 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:44 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:45 hoodedice Universal is two days new to the game 16:45 Jordach Prestotron562, it does need a lot of work; mainly new devices etc 16:46 hoodedice I've been playing since a year, and still don't understand how tecnic works 16:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:46 Jordach Prestotron562, me and VanessaE dont jump at things 16:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:46 Jordach (she's just as dependable) 16:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:47 Jordach hold on, did you comment on the irrlicht forum thread about it 16:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:48 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:48 kaeza ... 16:48 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:48 kaeza what's up with all the secrecy here? 16:49 Jordach Prestotron562, i prefer IRC, not some monitored thing by the (NSA?) 16:49 kaeza aren't we open source? 16:49 Jordach not to mention i get a full screen 16:49 Jordach (hexchat.) 16:49 Jordach and closing my browser doesnt kill the chat either 16:49 Jordach (that's why i hate webchat.) 16:49 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:49 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:49 Jordach i'm a texture artist 16:49 Jordach VanessaE is probably busy with her own server 16:49 Octupuslegs Has anyone seen Cactusplz 16:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:50 Jordach cactuz_pl, havent seen him for a while 16:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:50 kaeza ._. 16:50 * Jordach prefers making textures on his own, and even has aseprite minetest tp 16:50 Jordach ^ kaeza 16:51 kaeza o/ 16:51 Jordach i've only covered 8% of minetest game 16:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:51 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:51 Jordach i work for myself 16:52 Jordach and i'm very unlikely to keep schedules 16:52 Jordach kaeza, when have i actually done something on time 16:52 hoodedice Prestron, is that a minetest fork? 16:52 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:52 kaeza Jordach, define 'on time' 16:52 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:53 kaeza we hobbyists have no notion of this 'time' thing 16:53 hoodedice Why isnt it mentioned on the site? 16:53 kaeza we do stuff at our own pace 16:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:53 Jordach nope 16:53 kaeza well, have fun with that :) 16:53 Jordach i have email and IRC 16:54 Jordach that's it 16:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:54 kaeza lel 16:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:54 Jordach i already work on technic_game 16:54 * Jordach has repository access 16:55 * kaeza too 16:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:55 kaeza :P 16:55 * Jordach sighs 16:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:55 Jordach s/scratch/hand made 16:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:56 hoodedice Crevis, by the looks of it 16:56 hoodedice Looks like a total minecraft ripoff 16:56 Jordach s/craft/test 16:56 hoodedice Offence not intended 16:57 kaeza hoodedice, Crevis is basically Minetest with a custom game, sold for $5 16:57 kaeza IIRC 16:57 reactor Internet Internet Relay Chat 16:58 kaeza xD 16:58 hoodedice Sold? 16:58 hoodedice On what basis? 16:58 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:58 hoodedice This is GPL 16:58 kaeza +L 16:59 hoodedice LGPL 16:59 kaeza also, [L]GPL does not forbid sales of the software 16:59 thexyz no, it's free 16:59 hoodedice Wut? 16:59 kaeza it states that the source code must be freely available 16:59 hoodedice Then again, you can't sell it 17:00 kaeza O_o 17:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:00 thexyz http://www.crevis.net/downloads.html 17:00 thexyz download is freely available 17:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:00 hoodedice IF it's free as in freedom, doesnt make a difference in free as in free candies 17:00 sfan5 Prestotron562: ummm 17:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:00 sfan5 Niften said you decided to sell it 17:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:01 kaeza hoodedice, it sounds silly, yes, but you can sell GPL'ed software 17:01 sfan5 I don't think Niften would want to sell it 17:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:01 kaeza *as long as you provide the source code with it* 17:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:01 sfan5 Prestotron562: anyway, why is there a "bluestone" with mesecons_* things in the mods of crevis 17:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:01 sfan5 +folder 17:01 kaeza and pass on the same rights to whoever you give it to 17:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:02 hoodedice Jeija 17:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:02 sfan5 and VanessaE and me and other people 17:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:03 sfan5 builtin/mainmenu.lua 17:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 sfan5 no? 17:04 sfan5 .. 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 sfan5 you need to use a more recent minetest version 17:04 kaeza lel 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 sfan5 *o.4.7 17:04 sfan5 s/o/0/ 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 sfan5 not enough 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 kaeza still better than 4.7 :P 17:05 hoodedice 0.4.7 git 17:05 sfan5 you can change the whole main menu with lua if you use 0.4.7 git 17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:05 sfan5 ... 17:05 hoodedice ... Indeed 17:05 sfan5 the thing Niften calls minetest-master 17:05 hoodedice !g minetest git 17:05 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://dev.minetest.net/Git 17:05 kaeza ... 17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:05 kaeza Prestotron562, http://cheezburger.com/7698568448 17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:06 sfan5 lol 17:06 hoodedice Dude, what exactly are you? 17:06 sfan5 there are builds for minetest 0.4.7 git from me, PilzAdam, BlockMen and Fess 17:06 hoodedice How did you 'make' a game without compiling it? 17:06 sfan5 the most recent one is IIRC from me: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523&p=11 17:07 sfan5 I update these ever 1-3 days 17:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:07 hoodedice Official minetest git https://github.com/minetest/minetest 17:08 hoodedice The one I gave it source (?) 17:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:09 Jordach we dont have silence here 17:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:09 hoodedice !seen silence 17:09 MinetestBot hoodedice: Sorry, I haven't seen silence around. 17:09 Jordach if the channel goes quiet; people are busy 17:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:09 kaeza oh dog 17:09 Calinou Prestotron562: depends on your OS 17:10 Calinou on windows: use DARK MAGIC.exe 17:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:10 hoodedice !g how to compile in windows 17:10 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/windows/8985/ 17:10 Calinou hoodedice: won't work 17:10 Calinou you need to get specific dependencies 17:10 hoodedice =) 17:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:10 hoodedice I know =P 17:10 sfan5 Prestotron562: yes 17:10 Calinou Prestotron562: TL;DR: compiling on windows is painful 17:10 hoodedice aka use Ubuntu 17:10 sfan5 Prestotron562: builtin/mainmenu.lua 17:10 Calinou if you're still willing to do it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1434 17:11 TheUniversalBuil I have a question 17:11 kaeza Prestotron562, open up start menu->run, type "cmd.exe", then in the black window type "del C:\WINDOWS\System32" 17:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:11 hoodedice kaeza you evil fello 17:11 TheUniversalBuil if someone leaves the server, does their character stay in the game? 17:11 hoodedice no 17:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:11 sfan5 Prestotron562: use the f**king link I gave you 17:11 TheUniversalBuil cuz it happened to me yesterday 17:11 Calinou kaeza: 1) not fun 2) don't tell people to do that 17:12 hoodedice !g How to setup a minetest server 17:12 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server 17:12 Calinou the rm -rf jokes and such stuff aren't funny since ~2006 17:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:13 hoodedice Hey Prestotron 17:13 hoodedice See this, it will increase your PC geekiness by 9001 17:13 hoodedice !g Ubuntu Linux 17:13 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.ubuntu.com/ 17:13 Calinou no. 17:13 Calinou xubuntu > ubuntu anyway 17:14 hoodedice Yeah I believe that too 17:14 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:14 Calinou Prestotron562: winRAR sucks. use 7-zip 17:14 Calinou http://7-zip.org 17:15 sfan5 ^ 17:15 sfan5 use 7zip 17:15 * hoodedice uses xubuntu https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6477 17:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:16 hoodedice wut? 17:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:16 reactor Ubuntu is broken beyond repair. 17:16 Evergreen I just updated firefox to use duckduckgo, and I'm loving it so far 17:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:16 reactor Do you need any updated for ddg, Evergreen? 17:16 reactor updates* 17:16 reactor It shoud work right away eh. 17:16 Evergreen It does 17:17 Evergreen :P 17:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:17 Evergreen Also, I am getting metal plates put in my ankles in a couple weeks. Yay! 17:17 Evergreen (jk) 17:17 sfan5 Prestotron562: you can now edit builtin/mainmenu.lua 17:17 Evergreen I actually am getting metal plates put in my ankles 17:17 sfan5 Prestotron562: but don't use Word, Notepad or WordPad; use Notepad++ 17:17 Evergreen though 17:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:18 Evergreen Yes, for code editing in windows, use Notepad++ 17:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:21 Tesseract vim FTW. :-) 17:21 reactor vi in general is 17:21 reactor not only vim 17:21 reactor and vim is rather fat, I'd say 17:21 PenguinDad i like nvi 17:22 lordcirth PenguinDad, nvi ? Never heard of it 17:22 Tesseract Yes, vim has some issues. But it is my favorite editor overall. 17:22 reactor Oh yeah, someone's addicted to syntax highlighting, I see. 17:23 PenguinDad nvi is a reimplementation of vi for BSD 17:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:23 reactor yeah, nvi is fine. 17:23 reactor I like vim's status line that shows current column, though. 17:23 reactor Because you need some files not exceeding 80 cols. 17:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:24 reactor sfan5: so, how's the patch? 17:24 sfan5 which patch? 17:24 reactor Hell. 17:24 reactor The Z direction. 17:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:24 reactor Or haven't I showed you the corrected patch? 17:24 reactor s/ed/n/ 17:25 sfan5 no 17:25 reactor Oh. 17:25 reactor My bad. 17:25 sfan5 Prestotron562: ? 17:25 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:25 reactor sfan5: turns out it's not X being reverted, but Z. 17:25 reactor s/re/in/ 17:26 sfan5 Prestotron562: have you started bin/minetest.exe in the folder where you extracted my build? 17:26 TheUniversalBuil Guys 17:26 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:27 reactor Windows... there we go again. 17:27 TheUniversalBuil How come some textures cant be loaded 17:27 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:27 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:28 thexyz http://bpaste.net/show/120827/ how's that? (in terms of readability) 17:28 PenguinDad Prestotron562 works for me :P 17:29 sfan5 [off] Prestotron562 is really to stupid to work with... 17:29 PenguinDad thexyz: does it use your stressed framework? 17:30 sfan5 PenguinDad: yes 17:30 thexyz PenguinDad: it's proof of concept 17:31 thexyz I need to know how it should work before implementing it 17:31 PenguinDad thexyz: then it looks good 17:32 PenguinDad sfan5: Prestotron562 is really to stupid 17:32 sfan5 [off] Y U NO put [off] before your message 17:33 PenguinDad *[off] 17:39 thexyz discussing people behind their backs is a bad idea 17:41 reactor it is 17:41 PenguinDad thexyz: yeah i think that too but sometimes are people really to stupid 17:41 reactor related statement: small towns suck 17:42 PenguinDad reactor: then my town sucks \o/ 17:42 reactor mine certainly does, I don't know about yours 17:42 reactor /o\ 17:43 PenguinDad reactor: mine too 17:43 reactor mkay 17:51 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix various memory access problems detected by valgrind 2ed3067bbe 2013-08-07T10:48:31-07:00 http://git.io/9BtqJw 17:52 Peacock valgrind... sounds like a strippers' name :P 17:54 PenguinDad Peacock: it's something like a memory stripper :P 17:54 Peacock lol 17:55 Peacock she's grinds your ram :P 17:55 Peacock *she 17:56 NekoGloop https://xkcd.com/619/ 17:57 thexyz that's too true 17:57 thexyz for pretty much everything 17:58 svuorela Peacock: valgrind is a thing from norse mythology, the entrance to valhalla. 17:58 svuorela Peacock: but in this context it is a tool that helps when you either not release memory when you are done using it or figure out if you access memory you shouldn't be accessing and other such things 17:59 sdzen I would suppose that door is wide open for the right price 17:59 svuorela it is a amazing tool for software developers developing in at least languages like c and c++ 17:59 Peacock this ones' funny https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/30/Macpclinux27886.gif 18:00 svuorela oh. and btw valgrind is a so amazing tool that it makes sw developers move to linux just to be able to use it in their debugging. 18:01 PenguinDad for software developing linux is great 18:02 PenguinDad expect for C# and many other microsoft technologies 18:03 Peacock which means every office that needs something outside of server solutions :p 18:04 lordcirth Peacock, the entire govt of Munich is running Linux only, with no problems :) 18:04 Peacock i know opensource is very big in europe 18:04 PenguinDad it's called Limux 18:06 Peacock im just more of a pragmatist on certain things - especially when people complain about everything a big evil corporation does, while simultaneously excusing every shortcoming opensource migh have 18:06 Peacock *might 18:07 lordcirth Peacock, Opensource software will be fixed eventually, corporate morality will not :) 18:08 lordcirth It's about the long run 18:08 Peacock that implies that every lead dev of every single project has pure motives 18:08 Peacock except when you consider how many forks arose out of personal disagreements 18:08 lordcirth Peacock, Most do. And if they don't, someone will fork it 18:08 svuorela if not, projects can be forked. se also: x.org, libreoffice. 18:09 Peacock what really bugs me is this trend with purists who say alot of linux dists aren't free enough, so they come up with HURD and trisquell and all this stuff where there isn't that much of a demand 18:10 Peacock time that could be better spent fixing things people really do want in linux 18:11 svuorela Peacock: hurd is older than linux 18:11 svuorela Peacock: and these resources aren't interchangable. 18:11 Peacock but linux is established 18:11 Peacock hurd took about as long as e17 18:11 svuorela just if I stop contributing to KDE or Debian doesn't mean I would start contributing to Gnome or Fedora. 18:12 Peacock naw sure if you close down some of these tribes than devs will leave, thats a given, but re-inventing the wheel isn't doing anyone any favours 18:13 svuorela it might make the persons doing the new rounder wheel happy. and that's good enough to me, even if it is just shared between the author and his friends. 18:14 Peacock if you say so, i just think its more important to have decent flash support that doesn't kill the CPU 18:14 Peacock a pulseaudio that works (after so many years) would be nice too 18:14 Peacock wifi support without having to connect to the internet to download the wifi drivers lol 18:15 Peacock etc.. 18:15 svuorela the last point would require openness from the hardware manufacturers. 18:15 svuorela and pulseaudio works these days. 18:15 Peacock PA is shit on both my 7yr old rig and the new one 18:15 lordcirth Peacock, I haven't had Flash installed in over a year, and I'm doing just fine. Give up on Flash already 18:15 Peacock different cards, same problems 18:15 PilzAdam PA = PilzAdam 18:15 svuorela and no one wants to reverse engineer flash - and isn't it a technology of the last decade. 18:16 svuorela PilzAdam: no. plasma active :) 18:16 Menche you have PilzAdam on your machines? 18:16 Peacock and this thing with openness from hardware manufacturers, you know thatll never happen, not 100% anyways 18:16 lordcirth Peacock, Atheros is pretty open 18:16 Peacock so blaming them while forcing users to download the drivers anyways from elsewhere is pointless imo 18:16 svuorela Peacock: maybe you should make peacockix that does it your way ? 18:16 Menche peackobuntu! 18:17 Peacock im not interested in getting involved in that unholy mess lol 18:17 Peacock i use linux, i like linux, but i acknowledge its limitations, and i dont encourage anyone uncomfortable with it to try it 18:18 * svuorela don't have computers that isn't linux machines. including my phones. 18:18 Peacock all my rigs run linux save the newest which is dualboot (we bought it for games) 18:18 * PenguinDad too. 18:18 kahrl svuorela, even your car? 18:18 * Menche installs linux on his toaster 18:19 reactor to a new version of Windows, every computer is a toaster 18:19 svuorela kahrl: I don't have a car. but linux is the new stuff in the car business. they're hiring linux devs like crazy. 18:19 lordcirth Peacock, Linux's limitations have rarely bothered me. What limitations would you say are the biggest deal? 18:19 PenguinDad Menche: Tiny Core Linux? 18:19 Peacock updates, breakage, when it happens, it gobbles up a weekend 18:19 Menche it seems i haven't had half the problems Peacock has had, especially with Arch 18:20 Peacock the clumsyness of several apps interfaces is another 18:20 lordcirth Peacock, on what distros? I've never had Debian or Mint break bc of updates 18:20 svuorela Peacock: you shouldn't run gentoo or arch on production machines. 18:20 Peacock network-manager sucks i have to use wicd to connect to my wifi 18:20 Menche i use arch's netctl for networking 18:20 Menche doesn't require a DE to be started :D 18:20 Peacock typical install usually involves removing PA and falling back to alsa, removing network-manager and using wicd, etc. 18:21 PilzAdam you cant just remove PilzAdam from your computer 18:21 PenguinDad PilzAdam: he means Plasma Active :P 18:22 svuorela installing plasma active on a desktop computer is a bit silly. 18:22 kahrl PilzAdam: sudo apt-get install fungicide 18:22 Menche that KDE's netbook interface? 18:22 svuorela Menche: no. tablet/touch interface 18:23 Peacock blenders' interface is the most confusing lol gimp switching between 1-window -> multi-window -> 1 window was annoying too :p 18:24 Peacock unity and gnome 3 were exercises in sadism and masochism 18:24 Menche the first thing i do when opening gimp is switch it to single-window mode 18:24 Peacock me too lol 18:24 Menche blender... i never did figure that out 18:25 Peacock having to open catalyst control using "amdcccle" was another *easy* one to figure out :P 18:25 Menche the trend seems to be to put the same interface on a tablet/phone as on a desktop 18:25 Peacock they put dumbass designers in charge lol 18:25 Menche am i the only one who thinks that's a horrible idea? 18:25 Peacock no 18:25 Exio4 [15:14:24] if you say so, i just think its more important to have decent flash support that doesn't kill the CPU 18:25 Exio4 two solutions 18:26 Exio4 don't use flash or buy a new cpu, it is just shit 18:26 Exio4 blame adobe 18:26 Menche gnash works for me for what i use flash for 18:26 Exio4 [15:14:32] a pulseaudio that works (after so many years) would be nice too 18:26 svuorela Menche: no. it is not the trend. it is only gnome that thinks it is a good idea. 18:26 Exio4 pulseaudio sucks, jackd ftw 18:26 Menche and canonical and microsoft 18:26 Peacock dont use flash LOL typical OSS response to any broken feature "you don't need it" :P 18:26 Exio4 > OSS response 18:26 Calinou Peacock: flash sucks and needs to die 18:26 Exio4 > flash 18:26 Calinou also: youtube has HTML 5 18:26 PenguinDad gtg 18:26 Exio4 you say that like flash was opensource 18:26 svuorela Menche: i think even canonical is doing separate and adapting interfaces for various formfactors. 18:26 Peacock most sites havent switched yet 18:27 Menche gnash works for most of what i need flash for 18:27 Peacock no im saying opensource responds the same way everytime something doesn't work, they either deny it, or say you never really needed it 18:27 kahrl I wish gnash worked on more sites that youtube, it's kind of useless on youtube because of html 5 18:27 kahrl than* 18:27 Peacock which doesn't help their cause 18:27 Menche there are some youtube videos that don't work with html5 18:28 Exio4 Peacock: if you are happy with windows 8 + metro it is ok for me 18:28 Peacock no wonder so many opensourcers are sexually frustrated, porn sites don't work :p 18:28 Calinou Peacock: because you don't need it? 18:28 Calinou Peacock: that is harmful 18:28 Calinou please refrain from making such insults 18:28 * Jordach figured out blender 18:28 Peacock didn't know people were touchy about that 18:28 Jordach Peacock, Menche ^ 18:28 Calinou Peacock: "touchy"... 18:28 * Calinou rolls eyes 18:29 Jordach porn works for me - i use windows 18:29 Exio4 same here - under linux 8) 18:29 Jordach but then again i use request mobile version to get mp4 without flash 18:29 Calinou who needs porn when you-- 18:29 * Calinou runs 18:29 lordcirth Peacock, like I said, I'm doing fine w/o Flash. Firefox runs faster, and I don't have to worry about security as much 18:29 Peacock so whenever someone complains about linux, you send them to windows, and when they use windows, you blast them for not using linux... cognitive dissonance much? 18:29 Exio4 lordcirth: flashblock :P 18:29 Exio4 Peacock: some users should never stop using windows 18:30 reactor oh yeah 18:30 Peacock where security's involved i worry more about javascript 18:30 Exio4 noscript 18:30 lordcirth Peacock, no, when they complain about Linux, you tell them what they are doing wrong. done 18:30 Peacock and that helps adoption too 18:31 Peacock the attitudes on most linux support boards explains why there will never be a year of the linux desktop :p 18:31 Calinou Peacock: there is 18:31 Calinou for non-stupid people 18:31 lordcirth Peacock, most people's complaints about Linux are just because they are trying to do something the Windows way, like manually installing a program. All you have to do is show them the package manager, and it's better than Windows 18:32 Calinou you can manually install programs, it's good in the case you want to upgrade by reinstalling 18:32 Calinou and package manager is not always available 18:32 Exio4 ehm 18:32 Peacock the way i see it, instead of dealing with the problem, they tend to attack the person 18:32 kahrl [on] but if you install minetest via the package manager you might not be able to play on many servers 18:32 Calinou Peacock: no? 18:33 lordcirth Calinou, but the average home user won't need anything outside the package manager 18:33 Calinou not really 18:33 Calinou 13.04 repos don't even have SDL 2 18:33 Peacock yeah my package manager has minetest 0.3 18:33 Calinou this means no stuntrally, no Tesseract 18:33 Calinou == PPA 18:33 PilzAdam PilzyPilzAdam? 18:33 Calinou PPA == people in #ubuntu insult you 18:33 lordcirth Peacock, 0.4.7-1 here 18:34 Prestotron [deleted] 18:34 Peacock though its no surprise to me, OSS is mostly antisocial devs and delusional purists XD the most helpful people tend to be newbies 18:34 Calinou ... 18:34 Menche minetest is up to date in the Arch linux [community] repository 18:34 Calinou Peacock: there are tons of friendly developers 18:34 Calinou stop being such a pessimist 18:34 Peacock id love to meet some :-) 18:34 Calinou I know some 18:34 Exio4 Calinou: http://dpaste.com/1334614/ 18:34 lordcirth Peacock, try all the minetest devs? 18:34 Peacock not a pessimist, been using linux since 2003-2004 18:35 Exio4 Peacock: most of devs are friendly until you ask dumb questions and start being annoying 18:35 Jordach how do i use the mapgen that doesnt generate anything 18:35 Calinou that doesn't make you not-pessimist 18:35 Menche singlenode? 18:35 Exio4 Jordach: mods 18:35 Jordach mhm 18:35 Exio4 :P 18:35 Calinou Exio4: suddenly: #xonotic 18:35 Peacock means ive seen enough 18:35 Jordach Menche, care to explain 18:35 Calinou Exio4: debian sid? 18:35 Exio4 yes 18:35 Calinou well, sid is unstable, and suffers from the usual debian problems 18:35 Exio4 "unstable" 18:36 Menche don't know how, you need a mod that adds lua map generation 18:36 Peacock on other projects ive been accused of being a paid microsoft shill for daring to file bug reports - if they paid me to do that i wouldn't need to use free software lol 18:36 lordcirth Calinou, what are the "usual debian problems" ? 18:36 Menche paramat has one i think 18:36 Jordach PilzAdam, how do i disable the mapgen 18:36 Exio4 here too http://dpaste.com/1334621/ 18:36 Calinou lordcirth: beeping at boot, no firmware by default, bad installer 18:36 Exio4 beeping at boot? wat 18:36 PilzAdam Jordach, there is no way to disable mapgen 18:36 * Jordach means singlenode 18:37 Jordach that one that generates AIR 18:37 Menche select it on world creation 18:37 lordcirth Calinou, blacklist pcspkr, what firmware? , I like the debian installer myself 18:37 PilzAdam mg_name = singlenode in minetest.conf 18:37 Menche or that ^ 18:37 Exio4 the debian installer is awesomely nice 18:37 Calinou lordcirth: your blacklist isn't default 18:37 Calinou Exio4: doesn't use native resolution, takes up the whole screen (quite fugly) 18:37 lordcirth Calinou, no, but it's one quick edit to a text file, and it goes away 18:38 Prestotron [deleted] 18:38 Calinou yes, still happens at first boot 18:38 Calinou ubuntu doesn't do that 18:38 lordcirth Calinou, it's an installer, who cares if it's ugly? 18:38 Exio4 Calinou: ubuntu! lets see how mir is awesome! 18:38 Calinou so please don't come and say "ubuntu sucks" 18:38 Calinou Exio4: xubuntu and stuff won't use it for a while 18:38 Exio4 xubuntu will have to use it 18:38 Calinou or not? 18:38 Menche nah, ubuntu is amazing because it doesn't beep on startup :P 18:38 Peacock VLC finally fixed the video cropping bug not after the bug report, but after posting on their facebook page that i'd been waiting for a fix for a year and a half 18:39 Calinou Menche: some laptops have insanely loud speakers 18:39 Calinou this is a serious issue 18:39 Exio4 serious issue 18:39 Exio4 it never beeped for me 18:39 Peacock ^netbooks not loud enough 18:39 Menche i think my computer doesn't have a buzzer 18:39 Calinou it can still be done by software 18:39 Calinou and you can't remove it in laptops :P 18:39 lordcirth I don't think mine has one 18:40 Calinou some have 18:40 Menche I prefer Arch's method of installing. it's much more flexible and easy to understand what's going on. 18:40 Exio4 alinou's reasons are like the guy that said linux sucks because gnome2 by default looked ugly 18:40 Peacock normally you can turn the beep on/off in the BIOS? 18:40 Exio4 C* 18:40 Peacock DE's can be changed, buggy drivers not so obvious sometimes 18:40 Peacock especially when they preload the crappiest ones 18:41 Exio4 Peacock: it is meant for Calinou 18:41 Exio4 saying *default* sucks 18:41 lordcirth Peacock, only drivers I've had problems with are graphics drivers 18:41 Calinou arch sucks 18:41 Jordach PilzAdam, why is the map completely BLACK when using singlenode 18:41 Calinou they don't care for ease of install 18:41 Peacock well isn't that enough if you cant boot up with a fresh install? 18:41 Exio4 arch is easy to install 18:41 Menche ease of install is subjective 18:41 Calinou Exio4: no, they aren't 18:41 PilzAdam Jordach, it isnt 18:41 Exio4 it is 18:41 Menche and it's not really the most important thing either 18:41 Calinou some laptops have loud enough speakers to hurt your ears 18:41 Jordach PilzAdam, is for me 18:41 Calinou gnome 2 won't do that 18:42 PilzAdam Jordach, do you have the nolight flag set? 18:42 Jordach no 18:42 Jordach just singlenode 18:42 Jordach mg_flags=singlenode 18:42 Calinou Peacock: laptops have castrated BIOSes 18:42 Calinou same for any OEM PC 18:42 Exio4 mg_name 18:42 Menche i would rather use software with "doing it's job well" as the main focus rather that "easy to learn and use" 18:42 Menche *than 18:42 Jordach Exio4, it is mg_name; i typo'd 18:42 PilzAdam Jordach, mg_name 18:43 Calinou Menche: subjective? never figured out how to install it 18:43 Jordach mg_name = singlenode 18:43 Calinou while ubuntu is just ~10 clicks 18:43 kahrl Jordach, do you have any mod that defines the alias mapgen_singlenode 18:43 Jordach ^ that's in my conf 18:43 lordcirth Calinou, the archwiki says that ease of install isn't a priority, since as a rolling-release distro, you only install it once. 18:43 Calinou yet I use linux since 2009 18:43 Calinou lordcirth: what if you need to reinstall it for any reason? 18:43 Exio4 Calinou: i use linux since 2009 too 18:43 Calinou "YOLO" style sucks 18:43 lordcirth Calinou, try Gentoo install :P 18:43 Menche so you have to learn how, poor baby... 18:43 Calinou 1) stop insulting me 2) your time is more precious than computer time 18:43 Exio4 it means learn how to read Menche 18:44 Menche Arch has excellent documentation 18:44 lordcirth Calinou, Then you reinstall. But there's little reason you would need to, especially if you keep backups to roll back to 18:44 Calinou it does 18:44 Exio4 Calinou: installing archlinux is easy, you just read and apply logic to the commands you type 18:44 Peacock arch docs used to be excellent :p 18:44 Menche Peacock, used to? 18:44 Calinou yet they don't automate obvious stuff 18:44 Peacock there weren't so many outdated sections a year ago 18:44 Exio4 your only argument calinou? 18:44 Menche i *like* that they don't automate everything 18:45 Exio4 ^ me too 18:45 Menche i can see what's going on 18:45 Evergreen PilzAdam: May I ask what the .mts schematic files are in your pilztest game? 18:45 Calinou in ubuntu, you can also see the console 18:45 lordcirth Calinou, they used to automate some parts of the install, but sometimes the scripts would break things. So now they don't 18:45 PilzAdam Evergreen, minetest schematics 18:45 Calinou more like, noone cared about it 18:45 Menche say, if a daemon gets sucked in as a dependency, debian enables it automatically even if you don't want it 18:45 Peacock and having to sort through a dozen anouncements before finding out that updating glibc can break your system was another uniquely arch thing lol 18:45 Evergreen Is there any way of opening them? How do you use them? 18:45 Calinou just usual ubuntu hate in this channel 18:45 Menche with arch you can choose whetheror not to enable it 18:45 Calinou people liking it are usually not so vocal, unlike arch 18:46 lordcirth I don't hate Ubuntu. I think it's too slow, myself, tho 18:46 Exio4 Calinou: canonical, the shitty thing behind ubuntu made it worse than it was 18:46 kahrl Evergreen, worldedit has a command to place them 18:46 Peacock people hate unity not ubuntu itself, and prolly a little canonical hate in there 18:46 Calinou Exio4: I'm talking about xubuntu of course 18:46 Evergreen Oh, yes I forgot 18:46 Menche Peacock, dozen announcements? i usually only have to read one announcement to get important warnings 18:46 PilzAdam Evergreen, they are read and placed by the engine 18:46 lordcirth yes, also 13.04 has spyware 18:46 Evergreen Thanks 18:46 Calinou lordcirth: no, it does not 18:46 Exio4 Calinou: you say that like it was "able" to skip the canonical shit that is behind 18:46 Calinou you might as well not use anything proprietary 18:46 Evergreen How do you create them? With worldedit? 18:46 Calinou Exio4: that's pretty true, xubuntu is community-based. 18:46 Peacock well enjoy arch, i dont have so much time to put on it, got work to do and all 18:47 Calinou and not commercially sponored by canonical 18:47 Menche Peacock, and those are pretty rare, updates usually go pretty smoothly 18:47 lordcirth Calinou, it auto-sends your searches to a Canonical server, without asking. = spyware 18:47 Exio4 xubuntu is seriously thinking in switching 'out of ubuntu' Calinou 18:47 Exio4 because the canonical shit is getting too hard to keep outside 18:47 kahrl Evergreen: yep, or with custom scripts 18:47 PilzAdam Evergreen, minetest.create_schematic() 18:47 lordcirth Exio4, what would they do? rebase on Debian testing? 18:47 Evergreen Thanks for your help 18:47 kahrl (there is no standalone editor for them yet, afaik) 18:47 Calinou lordcirth: mint already has a debian edition, which also beeps on boot :P 18:47 Peacock crunchbang rebased to debian, it started out *buntu 18:47 Evergreen It would be nice if there was 18:47 Exio4 no idea what they would exactly do, but it is more for trying canonical to get its work properly done 18:47 lordcirth Peacock, #! is awesome 18:47 Calinou lordcirth: 1) only unity do that 2) it is opt-out 3) if you never use the dash, that doesn't happen 18:47 Peacock my fav 18:48 Evergreen IS it possible to add some randomness to the schematics files? Eg, trees 18:48 Peacock #! right mix of "already working" and "not too bloated" 18:48 PilzAdam Evergreen, yes 18:48 PilzAdam see the lua-api.txt 18:48 Evergreen Okay, thanks 18:49 lordcirth Calinou, 1) It comes with Unity, so Ubuntu does it, 2) Should be opt-in 3) Don't use your desktop search? really? 18:49 Calinou when I used unity, I never used it 18:49 Jordach kahrl, set singlenode to air: http://i.imgur.com/Fz1gJo9.png 18:49 Peacock minetest question: how do a create a waterworld? 18:49 Peacock *do i 18:49 Peacock i tried setting water level higher, but that raised the ground too :/ 18:49 kahrl Jordach: try //relight? 18:49 sdzen when I used unity, I installed gnome 3 the next day 18:50 Jordach kahrl, invalid command 18:50 PilzAdam Peacock, singlenode and add a mod with minetest.register_alias("mapgen_singlenode", "default:water_source") 18:50 Calinou use singlenode, use a mod to put water below a certain layer 18:50 kahrl or whatever the worldedit command is to relight 18:50 Peacock cool, but if i wanted an ocean floor (like the movie itself "Waterworld") 18:50 Menche PilzAdam, wouldn't that make it solid water from bottom to top? 18:51 PilzAdam Menche, yes 18:51 PilzAdam waterworld 18:51 Peacock ah poop thats not what i want :/ 18:51 Jordach PilzAdam, does "mapgen_air" work, because for some reason that game wont do "air" 18:51 PilzAdam there is a floor of content_ignore at -310000 :-p 18:51 lordcirth A game where you started in a base under the sea, with drowning enabled, would be really cool 18:51 Peacock lol 18:51 PilzAdam Jordach, what game do you use? 18:51 Jordach minetest_game 18:51 Jordach from the 0.4.7 release 18:52 kahrl "air" is defined in builtin, all games have it 18:52 Peacock well a waterworld type map where you start out at a floating spawn city (or rig) 18:52 Peacock if you want to farm you have to make it to ground level, get the dirt, bring it back up 18:52 Peacock game idea for anyone who's interested 18:52 PilzAdam Jordach, placing a block with WE works for me 18:52 Peacock i was thinking youd probably need a water_level and ground_level param tho 18:53 Peacock or use the ore trick the same way moonrealm does it with atmos 18:53 Peacock it would be like skyblock but on water :p 18:54 Jordach PilzAdam, even placing a torch does nothing 18:54 Jordach if i move 16 blocks away, everything's black 18:54 Jordach you MIGHT want to fix that 18:55 PilzAdam nothing to fix if it works for me 18:55 Jordach PilzAdam, 0.4.7-win32 18:55 PilzAdam try creating new worlds 18:55 Jordach use that game 18:55 Jordach PilzAdam, several return the same result 18:56 Exio4 start your mt.conf from scratch 18:56 Peacock heck i think ill give this waterworld thing a shot, though i cant run two servers at once :( 18:57 Peacock if ground level is default, what would be a good water height? 100, 200, 18:57 Jordach Exio4, jsut did: still black 18:57 Jordach it's just two lines: video_driver = direct3d9 18:57 Jordach mg_name = singlenode 18:57 Jordach yes ShadowBot; just under your four line limit 18:57 Exio4 Peacock: why not? 18:57 kahrl ha! I found a nyancat when falling to -31000 in a singlenode world 18:58 Jordach PilzAdam, minetest.register_alias("mapgen_singlenode", "air") 18:58 PilzAdam kahrl, coords and seed 18:58 Jordach ^ that should work 18:58 Peacock exio4 pings' pretty high as it is with 1 18:58 Peacock i could copy people's projects from my current server to the new one 18:59 kahrl PilzAdam: seed 101465498286374589, (-10,-26586,-42) 18:59 Peacock 109 autobans lol 19:00 Exio4 lol, -26586 19:01 Octupuslegs hello 19:03 * Jordach is looking for a build that doesnt break 0.4.7 world compat 19:03 PilzAdam Jordach, every build from me 19:04 PenguinDad 19:08 Exio4 https://xkcd.com/743/ 19:09 lordcirth Exio4, there's an xkcd for every occasion 19:09 Jordach weird; any build with lua main menu it works fine 19:11 Exio4 lordcirth: yeah 19:11 PilzAdam new win32 build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 19:11 PilzAdam ^ Jordach 19:12 Jordach meh, im using a two week old build on purpose 19:12 Peacock this is helpful - right click button doesnt work on mouse anymore lol 19:12 Peacock cheap OEM mouse 19:12 Menche pretend you're on a Mac laptop 19:13 Menche those don't HAVE a right mouse button 19:13 Calinou there still is 19:13 Peacock thinking maybe i can reassign right click button to scrollwheel button lol 19:13 Exio4 lol https://xkcd.com/1200/ 19:13 Menche ...or any mouse buttons whatsoever on the newer ones 19:13 Octupuslegs hi 19:14 Menche hi 19:14 Prestotron [deleted] 19:14 Exio4 hahaha https://xkcd.com/364/ 19:14 Calinou no he's busy with Rainbow Dash 19:14 Prestotron [deleted] 19:15 Prestotron [deleted] 19:15 Tesseract sfan5: It seems WE //set doesn't call update_liquids properly. 19:15 PilzAdam Exio4 seems to be in the xkcd trap 19:15 Exio4 i have nothing to do 19:15 PilzAdam Tesseract, the vmanip version? 19:15 Exio4 give me something to read and i will stop 19:16 Tesseract PilzAdam: Yes, it is in master now. 19:16 PilzAdam !g long text for Exio4 19:16 MinetestBot PilzAdam: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-07-29 19:16 Prestotron [deleted] 19:16 Exio4 lolol 19:16 Tesseract ...And it has a number of issues... 19:16 PilzAdam Exio4, read it :-p 19:16 Exio4 "read logs" 19:16 Prestotron [deleted] 19:16 Peacock sweet waterworld works, though the cavegen put airpockets everywhere lol 19:17 Calinou disable caves 19:17 Peacock and trees lol 19:17 Peacock is 200m too high? 19:17 PilzAdam Peacock, you can disable caves and trees with mg_flags 19:17 Prestotron [deleted] 19:17 Calinou Prestotron: ignored 19:17 Calinou ? 19:18 Prestotron [deleted] 19:18 Exio4 and now that you called him Pilz you never will 19:18 Miner_48er what setting needs to be changed to not have a server listed on the public list? 19:18 Jordach Prestotron, PilzAdam is always like that 19:18 Exio4 :> 19:18 Peacock uncheck public :p 19:18 Prestotron [deleted] 19:18 Miner_48er thx 19:19 PilzAdam Peacock, you can dive -45 with the current breath system 19:19 Peacock so maybe, water level at 100 then? 19:19 Prestotron [deleted] 19:19 Prestotron [deleted] 19:19 Menche /msg 19:20 Prestotron [deleted] 19:20 Peacock oups i need to add a bubble.png lol 19:21 Prestotron [deleted] 19:21 PilzAdam yes? 19:21 Prestotron [deleted] 19:21 Prestotron [deleted] 19:21 PilzAdam yes 19:22 Prestotron [deleted] 19:22 PilzAdam yes 19:23 Prestotron [deleted] 19:23 PilzAdam lol 19:23 Prestotron [deleted] 19:23 Octupuslegs hi babyface1031 19:24 Peacock its so much easier to assign blame when you have two personalities :p 19:24 babyface1031 hi Octupuslegs 19:24 PilzAdam this is very funny 19:24 PilzAdam read the logs of yesterday 19:24 Prestotron [deleted] 19:24 Menche what, about how minetest_game isn't official? 19:25 Prestotron [deleted] 19:25 PilzAdam Menche, no 19:26 Octupuslegs can anyone see this? 19:26 babyface1031 yes 19:26 Octupuslegs ok 19:26 PilzAdam Prestotron, it starts here: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-06#i_3241859 19:27 PilzAdam read what niften says 19:28 Prestotron [deleted] 19:28 PilzAdam until 17:30 or so 19:29 Octupuslegs Hero 19:29 PenguinDad I only say COBAL-Programmer from FreedroidRPG. 19:30 Prestotron [deleted] 19:30 Prestotron [deleted] 19:30 Prestotron [deleted] 19:30 Prestotron [deleted] 19:31 Peacock be polite, use "phallus" 19:31 Peacock :p 19:31 Peacock waterworld experimental up 19:32 Evergreen Do you think it would be a good idea to make a complete n00b's guide to installing mods/installing texture packs/making mods? 19:32 Evergreen So people won't come to us and completely annoy us? 19:32 Evergreen If I make it, I will put screen shots so there aren't any questions 19:33 Octupuslegs anyone see this? 19:33 PilzAdam the are tutorials 19:33 Evergreen However, I don't use windows 19:33 Calinou there already is, people don't read them 19:33 PilzAdam but we cant teach people how to use a PC 19:33 Calinou ^ 19:33 Evergreen Yes, true 19:33 Evergreen I suppose it would solve anything, so it is kind of pointless 19:33 Evergreen *sigh* 19:34 Evergreen It's just that I am a nice person, and I don't want t completely estroy newbies, but it gets extremely annoying trying to explain to them how to do something 19:34 Evergreen *destroy 19:35 Peacock weird, why doesnt water fill in holes? 19:35 PilzAdam Evergreen, just ignore them 19:35 Calinou Evergreen: necessary bad thing of life 19:36 PilzAdam if you dont ignore them you end up like me ;-) 19:36 PenguinDad PilzAdam: I do that now 19:36 Peacock http://s21.postimg.org/9wq4hpcwn/screenshot_1514618923.png 19:36 Peacock is finite water on by default now? 19:37 Evergreen No 19:37 Peacock so why do i have this hole in the ocean? 19:37 PenguinDad PilzAdam: then i don't ignore them :P 19:38 sdzen I call it the shadow effect Peacock 19:38 Peacock omg it finally filled in, 2 minutes later lol 19:38 sdzen I noticed these holes in the ocean around the same time the massive lighting errors in minetest caused the floating island effect :) 19:39 PilzAdam liquid_update = 0.4 and liquid_loop_max = 10000 should help 19:39 PilzAdam ^ Peacock 19:39 Peacock i put these in minetest.conf or map_meta? 19:39 PilzAdam minetest.conf 19:39 Peacock thanks 19:40 Tesseract VanessaE: .../pipeworks/flowing_logic.lua:81: bad argument #1 to 'get_node' (table expected, got nil) 19:40 Peacock no pos 19:41 Exio4 invalid place, more like unknown chunk 19:41 PilzAdam it returns content_ignore when the chunk is unloaded 19:41 Peacock mine doesn't do that so someone else rewrote it 19:44 Exio4 PilzAdam: oh, get_node_or_nil 19:44 Exio4 k 19:56 Peacock http://s21.postimg.org/hgk4mi3yv/screenshot_1515495588.jpg 19:56 Calinou a node = a autobanned user 19:56 Calinou :p 19:57 Peacock ? 19:58 Calinou in your circle 19:58 Peacock different nations for that map :p 19:58 Peacock gonna add walkways, 20 nodes away from spawncircle is buildable 19:59 Peacock just need to setup a spawn teleporter so people down spawn underwater lol 20:01 Jordach how does worldmods work again (does it even work anymore?) 20:01 PilzAdam put them in world-dir/worldmods/ 20:02 sdzen I thought that was broken.... 20:04 * sdzen tests it 20:04 sdzen huh 20:06 sdzen wait is was the cramming of gamemodes into a world folder that was broken 20:06 sdzen it was* 20:07 PilzAdam why would you place games in worlds? 20:07 Jordach PilzAdam, i need a special node; because water must not flow 20:07 Calinou use alpha-channel'd texture :P 20:08 PilzAdam glasslike with use_texture_alpha should work 20:10 Jordach nope. solved with with a airlike node 20:11 PilzAdam sfan5, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104509#p104509 lol? 20:11 PilzAdam Jordach, oh, you want to block water from flowing? 20:11 PilzAdam yea, airlike works pretty good there 20:11 Jordach PilzAdam, yes, but i solved that myself 20:11 PilzAdam (I used it for rebuilding the Minetest logo too) 20:12 Jordach fun fact: this map i'm making is identical to the blender model i made of blockmen's wallpaper one 20:12 Jordach i made a copy of a copy, which was made from a copu 20:12 Jordach copy* 20:14 Menche hampa16 likes spoiler tags 20:14 Menche /!\WARNING/!\ i just reported you sfan for closing my topic for no reason 20:15 Menche look out hampa's going to get you! 20:15 Jordach btw, i made it so you can make coal by smelting tree nodes 20:15 Jordach because you cant survive without torches 20:15 Peacock yay, setup spawnpad at spawncircle 20:15 kahrl es tobt der hampa vor meinem fenster 20:16 Peacock FPS is actually pretty high when the bottom ~100 nodes is all water lol 20:19 Menche GGA finally uploaded his "Comes Alive" mod. Features: NOTHING! (the archive he posted is empty) 20:20 Calinou features: it's a .rar 20:20 PenguinDad Menche: and it's a RAR file 20:20 proller water world without finite_liquid ?? 20:20 Menche is there anything wrong with rar besides not being supported by default on windows? 20:21 Menche (not that i'd want to use it; if i didn't care about windows support i'd use .tar.gz) 20:21 sdzen I like 7z 20:21 sdzen I played with that format once 20:21 Menche i know it supports encryption 20:21 Calinou 7z is a more featureful .xz 20:22 Calinou Menche: rar is proprietary, and isn't the best 20:22 proller windows supports only zip by default 20:22 kahrl and .cab 20:22 PenguinDad Today: Archive Wars 20:22 Calinou there was distro war already 20:22 Menche .cab? i've only seen that as a part of setup programs 20:23 sdzen wow 20:23 Menche we should mandate the usage of .tar.xz 20:23 sdzen I havent had to open a cab file in a few months 20:23 proller cab == zip 20:23 Menche all other formats suck 20:23 Menche jk 20:23 proller ++ xz 20:24 sdzen we should just have them download everything direct then give them cryptic instructions on what folders to put them in 20:24 Menche some mods are done that way 20:24 Menche put the code in [code] tags 20:24 sdzen :) 20:24 PilzAdam is there a way I can get the position of the healthbar in the HUD? 20:25 Menche actually we shouldn't use archives at all. git is superior. 20:25 Calinou quite few projects use .tar.xz 20:25 Calinou I know stuntrally uses it, good 20:25 Menche i know archlinux uses .tar.xz to compress it's packages 20:25 proller Calinou, freebsd uses xz for default now 20:25 Calinou its* 20:25 sdzen tell that to the idiots who don't understand using git or uncompressing anything other then zip 20:25 Menche cue archlinux hate from Calinou 20:25 Calinou debian still uses gz 20:26 kahrl I don't know why nobody knows about BARF but it compresses files to 0 bytes if applied recursively 20:26 kahrl must be some kind of government conspiracy to not let people know about it 20:27 PilzAdam rm compresses pretty good too 20:27 svuorela I use md5 for good compression 20:27 Menche you can compress your entire drive with mkfs 20:28 kahrl Menche, or just sit on it 20:28 Calinou PilzAdam: EDITOR=/bin/rm 20:28 Menche (if you don't care about getting the data back, that is. it does free up a TON of space) 20:30 Peacock hm, just got the dragged out to inf bug 20:30 Menche minecraft uses .jar therefore we have to 20:30 Calinou fun fact: .jar is modified .zip 20:31 sdzen fun face, I once renamed a .zip to a .crap and sent it to someone 20:31 sdzen it opened in a image viewer on a mac 20:31 Menche lol 20:32 Menche mac opens .crap files? 20:32 Calinou OS X* 20:32 Calinou Mac is Apple's computer brand 20:32 sdzen eh 20:32 sdzen its all shit :) 20:32 Menche which, contrary to popular belief, IS a brand of PC 20:33 sdzen yay! someone other then me who knows that! 20:33 * Menche twitches when people say "Mac and PC" 20:33 sfan5 Calinou: debian uses gz, but you can use .xz for .debs as long as their name stays at (data|control).tar.gz 20:34 * Menche looks through his archive manager's list of supported formats * what about .cbz or .cpio? 20:34 Menche wait, i can compress as a .exe? 20:34 Calinou yes 20:34 Calinou SFX, self-extractive 20:34 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104521#p104521 20:34 Tesseract LOL 20:34 Jordach new map 20:35 Calinou lol "extractive" is a valid word 20:35 Calinou hi cube 2 with real time lights 20:35 Jordach Evergreen, ^ 20:35 sfan5 Jordach: please use sfan5.duckdns.org instead of dyndns 20:35 Jordach i made a map :) 20:35 PilzAdam Jordach, replied 20:35 svuorela sfan5: data.tar.xz has been allowed since ages and is the default since like yseterday 20:36 sfan5 svuorela: not in debain 20:36 Calinou debain :D 20:36 sfan5 plol 20:36 PenguinDad plol 20:36 svuorela sfan5: yes. in debian. 20:36 sfan5 s/debian/debain/ all the things! 20:37 PilzAdam plol – Copyright (C) 2013 PilzAdam 20:37 svuorela sfan5: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dpkg/news/20130727T040302Z.html - look for 'xz' 20:37 Menche an enhanced version of lol 20:37 sfan5 Menche: p = physically 20:37 Tesseract Jordach: You need a cactus. 20:38 svuorela sfan5: and in debian stable, most my packages are actually having data.tar.xz files to make it better fit on a cd. 20:38 Menche you can laugh out loud not-physically? 20:38 sdzen well call me amazed 20:38 PilzAdam Menche, yes, in the internet you can 20:38 sdzen .cab files are actually smaller then a zip 20:38 sdzen hmmm 20:38 Menche only irc doesn't have sound 20:39 Jordach PilzAdam, Evergreen: refresh topic 20:39 sfan5 Jordach: lol, you don't need to reupload them 20:39 Jordach sfan5, a tip would have been nice 20:39 Jordach sfan5, fuck it 20:39 Jordach fuck.it 20:39 sfan5 its only a different domain 20:39 Jordach actually, http://fuck.it 20:39 sfan5 !title 20:39 MinetestBot sfan5: Can't connect to http://fuck.it 20:39 sfan5 Jordach: you mean http://no.pe 20:39 Jordach !title 20:39 MinetestBot Jordach: nope.avi 20:40 Jordach ahhh! 20:40 Jordach :D 20:40 * Jordach likes that 20:40 Menche missing plugin 20:40 sfan5 ^ haha 20:40 * Jordach flaps arms crazily 20:40 PenguinDad sdzen: cab files are using another algorithm 20:41 Exio4 [17:30:40] fun fact: .jar is modified .zip 20:41 Exio4 modified? since when 20:41 Jordach sfan5, Evergreen: it works in 0.4.7-win32 20:41 Exio4 it IS .zip 20:41 Jordach i tested before upload 20:41 Evergreen Why are you telling me this? :S 20:41 Evergreen I use ubuntu 20:41 Jordach ah 20:41 Jordach the lazy bastards debian 20:42 Jordach that is what ubuntu is 20:42 Evergreen Are you calling be a bastard? >:O 20:42 Tesseract Exio4: Same with .apk. 20:42 Jordach no.pe 20:42 Exio4 Tesseract: yeah 20:42 Jordach Evergreen, i wouldnt, as you're planning on upgrading 20:42 Menche lets just use OSX .dmg images 20:42 Jordach to xubuntu, which is the rich man's ubuntu - it looks nice and wont backstab 20:43 Exio4 so 20:43 Exio4 what could i do? 20:43 Exio4 oh 20:43 Exio4 i have something to do 20:43 Exio4 nvm 20:43 Evergreen Who said I was planning on upgrading? I do think it would be good to upgrade, but I don't to lose any of my installed libraries/programs 20:43 Jordach (to be fair; i used ubuntu too; before the amazon search - before shunity came in) 20:43 sdzen Menche, fuck no! 20:43 Jordach Evergreen, sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop 20:44 Evergreen That's it? 20:44 Jordach then somehome remove unity 20:44 sfan5 efwefwefkjowefweiof 20:44 sfan5 ASWFWEf 20:44 sfan5 !!! 20:44 sfan5 SDFWEf 20:44 PenguinDad node version manager 20:44 Jordach Evergreen, that installs xfce4 20:44 * sfan5 is fucking annoyed 20:44 Jordach if i'm right 20:44 PenguinDad nvm 20:44 Menche i never did figure out why OSX uses disk images for everything 20:44 Evergreen Ah, ok 20:44 Jordach sfan5, whatr 20:44 Jordach -r 20:44 sdzen because they needed one format to rule them all 20:44 Jordach pm me the problem 20:44 Menche so in true apple style they invented a new one to use exclusively 20:45 Jordach Nokia > Apple 20:45 Menche and to not support on anything else 20:45 Jordach at least nokia made an OSS OS 20:45 Jordach :> 20:45 * Jordach gives sfan5 a kitten 20:45 * sfan5 throws the kitten at Jordach 20:45 Exio4 Jordach: suddenly: WP 20:45 Menche btw, is there any way to open a .pages document in anything other that pages? i assume no. 20:45 Menche *than 20:46 Jordach Exio4, i was talking about the Nokia Pureview 808: 40 MegaPixel camera 20:46 sfan5 Menche: open it in a hex editor :D 20:46 Jordach in the back of a phone 20:46 Octupuslegs Hi 20:46 kaeza hi 20:47 kaeza yay found my old PSX, and it works perfectly ^_^ 20:47 kaeza spend the entire evening playing CTR 20:47 kaeza spent* 20:48 * Jordach #minetest throws a kitten at sfan5 20:48 sfan5 weghhu+ 20:48 sfan5 hhbkjä+ 20:48 Jordach shit 20:48 Jordach fucking user buttons 20:48 sfan5 gaahahahahahaha 20:48 sfan5 fwefwef 20:48 sfan5 fuck 20:48 sfan5 shit 20:48 sfan5 fuck 20:48 sfan5 ShadowBot: ijhnbj 20:48 * Jordach throws a kitten at ShadowBot 20:48 sfan5 ShadowBot: stfu 20:48 Jordach better 20:48 Jordach i made a user button for hexchat to throw kittens at people 20:49 sfan5 I really want to kick hampa16 into the face 20:49 kaeza :| 20:49 Jordach sfan5, action throws a kitten at %s 20:49 Jordach use that with a button labelled: kittens 20:49 sfan5 Jordach: you know.. (the topic you just replied to) 20:49 Jordach oh right 20:49 sfan5 ohoh 20:49 sfan5 also add one for putting kittens on peoples head 20:49 Jordach [off] sfan5, idiots are idiots; there is bi changing that statement 20:49 * Menche puts a kitten on ShadowBot's head 20:49 Jordach s/bi/no 20:50 sfan5 [off] yep 20:50 * Menche puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head 20:50 Menche wat, the bot doesn't respond to that anymore? 20:50 * Jordach puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head 20:50 Jordach done 20:50 Jordach the code works 20:50 Jordach action puts a kitten on %s's head 20:50 Jordach ^ there it is 20:50 Jordach feel free to use 20:50 Menche you must license that. 20:51 Jordach Menche, DILLIGAF 20:51 PenguinDad CC0 :P 20:51 Jordach do i look like i give a fuck 20:51 Jordach that's my new license: DILLIGAF 20:52 Menche lets have a heated discussion of what FOSS license is best 20:52 * sfan5 puts a kitten on mh0's head 20:52 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104530#p104530 20:53 Jordach sfan5, did you test it? 20:53 * Jordach puts a kitten on sfan5's head 20:53 Jordach i love the userlist buttons 20:53 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Jordach's head 20:53 sfan5 obviously not 20:53 Jordach see - it makes life so much easier 20:53 Jordach click and KITTY! 20:54 sfan5 lolwat 20:54 sfan5 seems like DeepGaze doesn't know mods can't read reports 20:54 sfan5 "another instance of sfan5 deleting a normal topic he did this to one of mine here is a pm argument in the result" 20:54 Peacock enjoying Dr. Assburns' Spicy Noodlecup :-) 20:54 sfan5 big wall of text with content of PM conversation following 20:54 sfan5 "i hope this helps in reviewing sfan5's status as moderator. in my opinion he does not deserve it" 20:55 sfan5 mhm 20:55 sfan5 yeah sure 20:55 Menche deepgaze or hampa? 20:55 sfan5 DeepGaze 20:55 Niften Hey guys 20:55 sfan5 We had an argument earlier because I removed a topic from him that was nonsense IMO 20:55 sfan5 hi Niften 20:55 Niften Finally got minetest-master compiled :o 20:56 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Niften's head 20:56 Jordach WAIT WHAT 20:56 Niften Preston did actually 20:56 Niften :D 20:56 Niften Awesome right? 20:56 Menche /!\WARNING/!\ i just reported you sfan for closing my topic for no reason 20:56 sfan5 Niften: THAT is what I mean 20:56 Niften Thanks Sfan for helping him through. 20:56 sdzen sfan5 you are a competent moderator of forumy things 20:56 sfan5 Niften: I gave him a link to my minetest build 20:56 Niften Appreciate it greatly. 20:56 sfan5 Niften: I bet he told you he compiled it himself 20:56 Niften Mmm. 20:56 sfan5 am I right? 20:56 Niften yes. 20:56 Jordach DUN DUN DURR 20:56 sfan5 that wrong! 20:56 sfan5 I compiled that 20:57 Niften He said he compiled it with your help 20:57 Jordach you can hear the sarcasm in that 20:57 sfan5 he compiled not a single bit 20:57 Niften ugh. 20:57 Jordach haha computer bit 20:57 Niften I gotta go. 20:57 Niften I'll be back, 20:57 * sfan5 now knows who to believe 20:57 Niften soon. 20:57 sfan5 k 20:57 Menche some people think that "help" = "do everything for me" 20:57 Peacock lol some idiot dug through the floor and now he's drowning underneath 20:57 sdzen sfan5 just took a byte oout of crime 20:57 sfan5 ^ lol 20:57 Jordach trololololololololol 20:58 Jordach sfan5, that got signiture'd 20:58 Jordach for fuck sakes, i plol'd 20:58 Jordach funniest thing i heard all day 21:00 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104532#p104532 wut 21:00 kaeza .cab O_o 21:02 sdzen I just had to after this most interesting discussion 21:04 sdzen I almost made it an .ACE instead 21:04 sdzen that would have been fun :) 21:04 Jordach sdzen, http://xkcd.com/1247/ 21:05 Jordach !title 21:05 MinetestBot Jordach: xkcd: The Mother of All Suspicious Files 21:05 sfan5 I heard you like .tar 21:05 PilzAdam game:get("sfan5"):rage(FULL_CAPS_MODE) -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104526#p104526 21:05 sfan5 so I did .tar.tar 21:05 Jordach sfan5, i'm going to have to remove caps 21:05 * Jordach suggests a 24hr temp ban for sfan5 21:05 Jordach you've burned out 21:06 Menche you can't use caps to shout at idiots? 21:06 * Jordach hands sfan5 some weed for the evening 21:06 sfan5 I'm going to sleep soon anyway 21:06 sfan5 Menche: apparently 21:06 Jordach ah ok 21:06 sfan5 PilzAdam: he/she reposted the topic and posted a topic in Offtopic asking me for a reason 21:06 PilzAdam Menche, youll end up with 2 idiots 21:07 Peacock naw all the idiots are on my server right now lol 21:07 sdzen Jordach, ive seen files like that 21:08 PenguinDad Watch Now: Idiot Battle on Startest 21:08 Jordach that sounds like a cable channel 21:09 Peacock im running WaterWorld atm 21:09 Peacock new banlist :p 21:10 PenguinDad s/Startest/WaterWorld 21:10 Jordach Peacock, you're like that robot planet from transformers; eating and making new worlds 21:11 Peacock Unicorn 21:11 Jordach Unicron* 21:11 PenguinDad Unicrontab** 21:11 PilzAdam I dont see any idiot battles in WaterWorld 21:11 proller PenguinDad, add liquid_finite=1 to config of WaterWorld 21:11 Peacock im still holding on to startest, just thought id test waterworld while no one was on 21:12 Peacock cuz i banned them :p 21:12 PenguinDad proller: I'm not Peacock? 21:12 sfan5 what about renaming crontab to unicrontab? 21:12 Peacock no liquid finite, i only have a dualcore 21:13 sdzen that requires at least 8 cores 21:13 sdzen :) 21:13 Peacock plus id have to rewrite pipes 21:13 proller minetest cant use more 2 cores 21:14 PilzAdam proller, it can 21:14 sdzen yes it can 21:14 PilzAdam its just not very efficient in doing it 21:14 sdzen :) 21:14 kahrl num_emerge_threads = 42 21:14 proller never seen more than 150% 21:14 proller with ^^^ =6 21:15 Peacock cpu usage already hovering around 70-80% so imagine with finite 21:15 * sdzen divides by 0 21:16 proller 110-140 21:16 * Peacock segfaults 21:16 proller better to try 21:16 proller its not using cpu when nothing flowing 21:16 sdzen course all it would need is one node removed 21:16 sdzen :) 21:17 sfan5 good night 21:18 PenguinDad gn8 sfan5 21:18 PenguinDad random qoute by NekoGloop: "solar panels aren't even proper solar panels" 21:20 sfan5 PenguinDad: "random" 21:20 NekoGloop proper solar panels would actually check if there's no blocks above them 21:22 sdzen proper solar panels would be inefficent and only give a fraction of the power they do in mods now :) 21:22 lordcirth Does Minetest run on a RasPi? 21:22 Peacock they'd probably also be made in china and break after warranty expires :p 21:23 NekoGloop the power they give you is because they check for height, not sunlight 21:23 lordcirth mesecon solar panels check light level. I thought Technic ones did too 21:24 NekoGloop they check light level 21:24 NekoGloop but they also check height 21:24 NekoGloop to supposedly stop people from haxing the solar panel by putting a torch above it 21:26 NekoGloop we need like some kind of minetest.pos_in_sunlight(pos) or something 21:26 sdzen I always got around that silly height restriction anyway :) 21:27 PilzAdam NekoGloop, you can check if its dark at night 21:27 PilzAdam thats not perfect but it helps 21:27 NekoGloop That's you copping out of actually coding a solution 21:27 kahrl sdzen, can I close this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/809 21:28 sdzen are torches not dimmer then the sun? 21:28 sdzen yes 21:28 sdzen you may 21:28 NekoGloop torches are, yes, but one could still put, say, a talinite block above it 21:29 PilzAdam no, sunlight is always one brighter than anything else 21:29 NekoGloop LIGHT_MAX 21:29 NekoGloop which, as it happens, is the light level of talinite blocks 21:29 sdzen suns higher then that neko 21:31 PilzAdam NekoGloop, you can even set it to 999999999 and it will be still not as bright as the sun 21:31 lordcirth It would be nice if one could get the sunlight level seperately from other lights 21:31 sdzen // Length of LIGHT_MAX+1 means LIGHT_MAX is the last value.// LIGHT_SUN is read as LIGHT_MAX from here. 21:31 sdzen hmmmm 21:32 sdzen prolly nothing :) 21:32 * sdzen bites it 21:32 sdzen yep nothing 21:33 NekoGloop I assume mgv7 is finished? 21:33 NekoGloop mostly, anyway. 21:33 PilzAdam it isnt 21:33 PilzAdam its useable but not finished 21:33 * Jordach actually thinks it's ready to go 21:33 Jordach we need some fucking biomes in lua dammit 21:33 Jordach PilzAdam, GO GO GO 21:33 PilzAdam it has bugs 21:33 NekoGloop How does one define biomes then? 21:34 PilzAdam use Pilztest if you want Lua biomes 21:34 NekoGloop Everything has bugs. 21:34 Jordach PilzAdam, add biomes to minitest 21:34 NekoGloop You're never going to get rid of the bugs 21:34 PilzAdam NekoGloop, https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest 21:34 NekoGloop You might alter what's being buggy, but the bugs will still be there 21:35 sdzen can the brightness be set to 15? 21:35 sdzen or does it just stay at 14? 21:35 NekoGloop PilzAdam, that doesn't really help 21:36 sdzen because LIGHT_SUN is 15 21:36 sdzen isnt it? 21:37 Jordach i still think you can separate light max from light sun 21:37 Jordach LIGHT_DISTANCE should replace the current light system 21:37 sdzen // This directly sets the range of light.// Actually this is not the real maximum, and this is not the// brightest. The brightest is LIGHT_SUN.#define LIGHT_MAX 14// Light is stored as 4 bits, thus 15 is the maximum.// This brightness is reserved for sunlight#define LIGHT_SUN 15 21:37 sdzen light.h :) 21:37 Jordach fuck 21:43 NekoGloop Glooptest's module system should work nicely for this... I just have to diable my biome module by default. 21:44 NekoGloop I still have no idea how the decorations work. 21:45 PilzAdam NekoGloop, pilztest uses decorations too 21:45 NekoGloop I mean, the schematic files used by decorations 21:45 PilzAdam it uses them for trees 21:47 NekoGloop how do I edit a schematic...? 21:47 PilzAdam you can place it in the world and then re-create it with minetest.create_schematic 21:47 PilzAdam WE has a command for that 21:52 NekoGloop is there a 0.4.8? 21:52 PilzAdam not yet 21:52 NekoGloop mmm, ok 21:52 hmmmm well here's a 5 star email... blank subject line, body: "New features is coming?" 21:52 NekoGloop PilzAdam, summary of minetest-0.4.7-2ed3067-alot? 21:53 PilzAdam see the git commit log 21:53 PilzAdam its too big to sum it up 21:54 NekoGloop alright then 21:54 Exio4 changelog NekoGloop 21:59 NekoGloop register_biome isn't documented in lua-api.txt x.x 21:59 PilzAdam because it shouldnt be used 21:59 PilzAdam its not finished 22:00 Exio4 it may change at any time 22:00 iqualfragile_ NekoGloop: but do not forget to bug him again when it is finished& still not documented 22:02 svuorela when you have tamed a couple of PilzAdam's sheep and they start to reproduce, are their offspring also "tamed" or do I need to feed them wheat too ? 22:03 sdzen I think they need wheat too 22:03 PilzAdam they reproduce? 22:04 PilzAdam thats a bug 22:04 sdzen that it is 22:04 sdzen :) 22:04 sdzen stick a sheep into a pen 22:04 sdzen 5 sheep in its place 22:04 svuorela PilzAdam: I lead 4 into a enclosure. now there is like 25 22:04 sdzen :) 22:05 NekoGloop PilzAdam, So, what's node_top and node_filler, eh? 22:05 Jordach svuorela, thats the entity duplication bug 22:06 PilzAdam in the desert biome that v6 produces it would be: top=desert sand; filler=desert stone 22:06 Jordach any dropped item or mob will duplicate over time 22:07 NekoGloop PilzAdam, and the min/max of temp/humidity? 22:07 PilzAdam there is not min/max for them 22:08 NekoGloop What's the highest and lowest realistic values that the mapgen will produce, moron? 22:08 Octupuslegs hi 22:08 PilzAdam dunno 22:09 Uberi IIRC it's -1 to 1 mean in a guassian distribution 22:09 Uberi don't quote me on that one though 22:09 Octupuslegs Does anyones server still have technic? 22:10 Uberi sorry, 0 mean with 1 std dev 22:10 sdzen I removed it from mine cause I hate mesecons :) 22:10 Octupuslegs i wanna play on your again :D 22:11 sdzen tis broken at the moment 22:11 Octupuslegs :o 22:11 Octupuslegs all the good server are gone 22:12 sdzen minetest-classic.com:30000 22:12 sdzen :) 22:13 sdzen come down and see us sometime! 22:13 Octupuslegs whats up with Access Violation? 22:13 sdzen for what? 22:14 Octupuslegs boomtown server 22:14 Octupuslegs i wanted to see if my house was still there and my city 22:14 sdzen isn't boomtown gamebooms? 22:14 Octupuslegs yes 22:15 tuckman how do i play 22:15 Octupuslegs it works untils it reaches to media about like quarter way through 22:15 sdzen hasnt it been corrupt and down for several months 22:15 tuckman hey guys how do i play minetest 22:15 Uberi wow gameboom still has their server? 22:15 Uberi tuckman: step 1: plug computer into wall 22:15 sdzen Octy the serer is running on minetest-classic :) 22:15 Uberi step 2: push power button on computer 22:15 tuckman done 22:16 Uberi step 3: play minetest 22:16 Octupuslegs szden, for you im stuck on item def 22:16 tuckman lol really 22:16 Octupuslegs dont move at all 22:16 PilzAdam tuckman, that question is a bit too general, dont you think so? 22:16 Uberi tuckman: seriously though, what do you have so far? 22:16 sdzen http://minetest-classic.com/ 22:16 tuckman nothing 22:16 Uberi did you download the game? did you get the right one? 22:16 sdzen get the client :) 22:16 Uberi well, head over to minetest.net and grab yourself a free copy! 22:17 Uberi it's on sale, you can just send me the money 22:17 Octupuslegs tuckman, WASD to move mouse right to i dunno and left to interact 22:17 Uberi seriously though, you're probably on windows so get the windows version 22:18 NekoGloop PilzAdam, Is it possible to make water not generate based on biome? 22:18 tuckman hey im on minetest.net but where do i go to download 22:18 Uberi tuckman: one moment 22:18 Uberi do you see the giant Download link at the top? 22:18 Uberi well, that's where you download it 22:18 Exio4 lol.. 22:18 PilzAdam NekoGloop, AFAIK no 22:18 tuckman yess :D 22:19 Uberi and if you don't see it, click this shiny link: http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-0.4.7.zip 22:19 PilzAdam tuckman, you think its funny if others make fun of you? 22:20 tuckman yah 22:20 Uberi got it? now open up that zip file, and copy that folder inside it somewhere safe 22:21 tuckman the download is done but i dont see launcher 22:21 Uberi launcher? where did you download it to? 22:21 NekoGloop because it's in bin 22:21 Uberi did you extract the archive first? 22:22 * Uberi should make a MODSTER for Minetest 22:22 PilzAdam !g how to download and extract a zip 22:22 MinetestBot PilzAdam: http://www.extractnow.com/ 22:22 PilzAdam ^ tuckman 22:22 harrison http://youtu.be/Wmo_kibKfXQ 22:23 PilzAdam actually thats not good 22:23 PilzAdam forget that link 22:24 PilzAdam harrison, is the music part of the game? 22:26 harrison no, but if one does not include music with most films people complain 22:26 harrison in this one the audio is inessential 22:26 Uberi hmm, guess he couldn't get the hang of it 22:26 Peacock Spawnia http://s21.postimg.org/well7mgt3/screenshot_1524706466.png 22:31 Octupuslegs Can anyone tell me how to fix ,Access Violation 22:31 PilzAdam Octupuslegs, can you post the full log? 22:31 Uberi well how did it happen 22:32 PilzAdam generally speaking: dont accessing memory that doesnt belong to the program 22:32 PilzAdam -ing 22:33 Peacock many grammars are faulty :p 22:34 Peacock im curious was causes my player to be relocated to a position that reads inf,#d,#d 22:35 Peacock last two are numbers, but the inf part is interesting 22:36 Exio4 what version? of the client 22:36 Octupuslegs PilzAdam,i found the problem from looking at the debug,nevermind but thank you 22:37 Uberi what was the issue, btw? 22:37 Exio4 http://dpaste.com/1334869/ 22:39 svuorela PilzAdam's sheep are so smart they can climb over 2 layers of fence when there are enough of them. 22:39 PilzAdam Peacock, can you get a verbose log of that? 22:39 PilzAdam (server and client, if possible) 22:40 Exio4 it should be somewhat fixed in 0.4.5 22:40 Peacock oh sorry thought you were talking to octopus 22:40 PilzAdam Exio4, OO dat ping 22:40 Peacock loading up debug now though not sure if it was in verbose mode 22:41 Exio4 PilzAdam: the download is 15 times better but the pings are super-shitty 22:42 Exio4 (versus my normal network) 22:42 Peacock theres nothing in the logs :/ 22:42 Peacock how do i up verboseness 22:42 PilzAdam debug_log_level=4 in minetest.conf 22:44 Peacock aiight, could take awhile to happen again, it happened more often in 0.4.6 22:44 Peacock ill try building more since it usually happens when i place alot of nodes 22:44 Exio4 http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#Bug_Fixes_2 22:44 Exio4 * Limit speed in collisionMoveResult for avoiding hangs (Exio4) 22:44 Exio4 the main cause of that bug, was that 22:45 PilzAdam Exio4, are you sure about that? 22:45 Exio4 PilzAdam: main cause, because i don't know if there are others 22:46 Exio4 PilzAdam: what version are you using? (server&client) 22:46 Exio4 err 22:46 Exio4 Peacock: * 22:46 Exio4 why are there so many nicks with P :( 22:46 PilzAdam Exio4, latest git, and some other versions too 22:46 Peacock 0.4.7 git from two or three days ago 22:46 PilzAdam also HackerAdam's special client 22:46 Exio4 HackerAdam's 22:47 PilzAdam I used that nick when testing anti-cheat on celerons server 22:48 Exio4 Peacock: what happens when the client gets "into" that limbo? 22:49 Peacock once x gets to inf i start falling and the whole thing lags to hell 22:49 Uberi sounds about right 22:49 Peacock i have to restart and teleport back to spawn 22:49 Exio4 Peacock: could you compile minetest with a small patch? 22:50 Peacock could be tricky 22:51 Peacock where im supposed to drop the patch file? 22:51 Exio4 git apply somefile 22:51 Exio4 recompile, and run 22:52 Peacock yeah the git part is tricky, theres no other way? 22:53 Exio4 ??? 22:54 Exio4 tricky? how 22:54 Peacock nevermind lol i cant patch or use git 22:54 Exio4 why? 22:54 Peacock i set verbosity to 4, if it happens again ill pastebin the log 22:57 NekoGloop apparently glooptest can't count to 7. 23:04 NekoGloop Can't quite seem to figure out why glooptest isn't loading my biome module... 23:04 NekoGloop the code is literally the same code it runs to load the other modules... 23:12 NekoGloop can someone hit minetest with a hammer please? 23:12 * Peacock hits nekogloop with mesehammer 23:12 Peacock oups :p 23:12 NekoGloop heh 23:13 NekoGloop My hammers don't hurt players that much ;) 23:13 Peacock beware of calinous' mese balls 23:13 NekoGloop ... what? xD 23:14 Peacock long story lol in the irc logs :p 23:14 NekoGloop whatever 23:15 Exio4 wtf 23:17 NekoGloop PilzAdam, instruct me on how the biome module is not loading, if you please: https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/11d2d8ec1b697c4cf05f8b2d01812012b2dfe038 23:18 PilzAdam is there any error message? 23:18 NekoGloop Nope 23:19 NekoGloop it just fails to see/load the biome module 23:19 PilzAdam have you set LOAD_BIOME_MODULE to true? 23:19 NekoGloop yes. 23:19 NekoGloop I do know how my own mod is supposed to function :P 23:19 PilzAdam so that debug line is not printed? 23:19 NekoGloop The debug message "Loading Biome Module now" is not printed, now 23:19 NekoGloop no* 23:22 PilzAdam strange 23:22 NekoGloop indeed 23:23 PilzAdam comment out the "if LOAD_BIOME_MODULE == true then" 23:23 PilzAdam only that line and the end 23:23 NekoGloop nope 23:24 NekoGloop no worky 23:26 NekoGloop Oh, wait, that was the compat module 23:27 NekoGloop Yeah, that worked, PilzAdam. 23:27 PilzAdam then you havent set it to true in the config file 23:27 NekoGloop I did set it to true. 23:27 NekoGloop -_- 23:28 PilzAdam I do know how my own mod is supposed to function :P <- suuuuuuure :-p 23:28 NekoGloop IT IS SET TO TRUE. 23:30 PilzAdam btw, you can check if mapgen v7 is enabled with something like: minetest.register_on_mapgen_init(function(mg_params) if mg_params.name == "v7" then LOAD_BIOMES=true end; end) 23:30 NekoGloop I don't care about that. 23:30 PilzAdam there is still the question why it doesnt load that file 23:31 PilzAdam you have set it to "true", and not "treu" or "teru" or "erut"? 23:31 NekoGloop Yes. 23:31 PilzAdam put a print(dump(LOAD_BIOME_MODULE)) directly after the dofile(minetest.get_modpath("glooptest").."/general.cfg") 23:33 NekoGloop nil 23:34 PilzAdam paste the config file where you have set it to true 23:35 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/661EawB0 23:36 hoodedice So... 23:36 PilzAdam NekoGloop, dunno 23:36 PilzAdam maybe something is messed up in your workspace or so 23:36 hoodedice Wow, I was gonna connect to Startest after checking my google+ 23:37 hoodedice 15 minutes is sure a lot of time 23:37 hoodedice Peacock 23:38 Peacock howdy 23:39 Peacock startest isnt up right now, testing waterworld if you wanna check it out 23:39 hoodedice oh 23:39 hoodedice waterworld? 23:39 Peacock standard mapgen, but flooded up to y=100 23:39 hoodedice -.- 23:39 hoodedice Griefer's paradise 23:40 Peacock how? 23:40 hoodedice Water water everywhere and all the boards did sink... 23:41 Menche ? 23:41 hoodedice I don't like all water. Makes me quesy 23:41 Peacock well its minetest water :p 23:42 Peacock i could add you to spawnland or create a countrylette connected to it 23:42 hoodedice Wow. Some lag 23:42 hoodedice (Lag as in low fps) 23:42 Peacock gimme a min or two ill restart 23:42 PilzAdam low FPS is not lag 23:43 NekoGloop It is consistant lag. 23:43 hoodedice Well. 23:43 hoodedice That's why I say lag as in low fs and lag as in latency 23:43 hoodedice This lag is on my end 23:44 PilzAdam it is not called lag 23:45 Peacock irestarted 23:45 hoodedice !g low fps is not lag 23:45 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.howtogeek.com/142193/htg-explains-why-lag-and-low-fps-arent-the-same-thing/ 23:45 hoodedice Wait 23:46 hoodedice "Low FPS and lag sometimes show up at the same time, complicating things." 23:47 hoodedice !g !g 23:47 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force 23:47 hoodedice #INCEPTION 23:49 hoodedice Did you use worldedit to create the cage thingy for the floors 23:49 Peacock multinode (close enough :P) 23:51 hoodedice Is the new prison death free? 23:51 Peacock well its underground 23:51 Peacock so people will drown before they make it back lol 23:52 hoodedice Drown is enabled? 23:52 hoodedice (Can I check it out?) 23:53 Peacock the prison? 23:53 Peacock its not terribly impressive atm 23:53 Peacock its basically a narrow coffin underground 23:53 hoodedice hmm 23:53 Peacock i wanna make it a small dome on the ground level 23:53 hoodedice Make it like, with glasses. 23:54 hoodedice And put it somewhere everyone can see it 23:54 Peacock course :-) otherwise domeshape is pointless 23:54 Peacock well if its ground level, then its -100 23:54 hoodedice Plus entertainment 23:54 Peacock otherwise i was thinking a cage near spawn 23:54 Peacock and maybe some fences and a smokestack? 23:55 hoodedice hmm 23:55 Peacock when ir estarted i gave you smokers nation 23:55 Menche what are the light stripes on the ground? i drown when I stand on them 23:55 hoodedice In Startest, we should have execution ceremonies 23:56 hoodedice For the banned douchebags 23:56 Peacock neons? shouldn't drown on those 23:56 Peacock we could build some sort of humiliating prison yes :-) 23:56 Peacock if you wanna build the prison, ill come and set the prison teleporter after :-) 23:57 * hoodedice rubs hands 23:57 Peacock i can set the grate flooring, though minetest will likely crash as its a large area to fill 23:58 Peacock depends if you want grate or solid 23:58 hoodedice Hmm, I'm not drowning 23:58 Peacock weird, i see bubbles :/ 23:59 PilzAdam the 0.4.7 client doesnt have drowning 23:59 Peacock but the latest git does i imagine? 23:59 Peacock mine says 0.4.7 and i drown tho its git 23:59 hoodedice oh