Time  Nick           Message
00:10 bas080         hdastwb, works like a charm! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2008052013%20-%2002%3A08%3A55%20AM.png  Would be nice to see the command that was executed above the output.
00:11 bas080         So now i could throw away my lcd screen and keyboard and use this one instead. Something to consider
00:11 bas080         bzzz
00:12 BlockMen       hi
00:14 hdastwb        bas080: thanks for giving it a test run, and it's nice to see that it's working so well!
00:17 hdastwb        I'd implement echoing by setting the terminals to different channels and then using a luacontroller somewhere in the middle to forward messages between the two components
00:24 BlockMen       bye everyone
00:38 Exio4          night
00:43 VanessaE       bbl
01:04 PilzAdam       bye
01:17 NekoGloop      meow
01:33 * sokomine     pats nekogloop out of a reflex
01:34 * NekoGloop    purrs
01:34 ShadowNinja    VanessaE: Did the names of pipeworks nodes get changed? I have a bunch of unknown nodes, but it loaded.
01:35 * sokomine     puts some food close to nekogloop
01:36 * Evergreen    accidentally spills some toxic waste on NekoGloop
01:36 Evergreen      Oh no, what have I done...
01:37 sokomine       don't worry :-) he'll come back :-)
01:38 Evergreen      Well, bye radioactive NekoGloop, and sokomine
01:38 * NekoGloop    absorbs the toxic waste
01:38 * NekoGloop    noms the food
03:12 kaeza          the new texture pack selection works like a charm
03:12 kaeza          now I don't have to exit to switch between HDX and default :D
03:22 hmmmm          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103885#p103885
04:44 hoodedice      ...
04:52 kaeza          ...
04:52 hoodedice      =.=
04:52 kaeza          (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
04:52 hoodedice      You,,,
04:52 hoodedice      *...
04:53 kaeza          sup
04:59 hoodedice      nm
04:59 hoodedice      Since startest is down, I'm flying
05:51 kahrl          what's a server that uses remote_media?
05:52 kahrl          I found sfan5.dyndns.org:30002 but its remote_media server seems to be down
05:53 kahrl          or, well, it seems to be up but not responding
06:09 deltib         yay, I finally have proper compositing without tearing
06:23 hoodedice      *Yawn*
06:44 VanessaE       hi all
06:53 hoodedice      soup
07:05 sfan5          hi
07:06 kaeza          hi
07:31 nore           hi
08:54 PenguinDad     To much spoilers: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103908#p103908
08:55 kaeza          I can't even see the answer at 1024x768 :|
08:55 VanessaE       agreed.
08:56 VanessaE       collapsed it down to three levels.
08:56 PenguinDad     kaeza: I can't the answer on 1920x1080
08:56 PenguinDad     *see
08:57 kaeza          hah someone with ninja skills reduced it to 3 levels :P
08:58 * kaeza        points at VanessaE
08:58 VanessaE       HIYAH!
08:59 kaeza          also: spoiler tags \o/
09:05 thexyz         best of #minetest http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-17#i_3204391
09:05 thexyz         markveidemanis is officially a bot now
09:05 VanessaE       heh
09:06 jin_xi         soo, anyone had this problem where lua VoxelManips place fire nodes everywhere?
09:06 VanessaE       thexyz: can you adjust the width of some fields in the topics lists (e.g. new posts page and similar)?
09:06 VanessaE       a/fields/columns/
09:06 VanessaE       s/
09:06 jin_xi         just a heads up for everyone using them, be careful ;)
09:08 thexyz         that's a hilarious bug
09:08 kaeza          ^
09:08 thexyz         VanessaE: screenshot plz
09:08 VanessaE       sure.
09:09 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2008052013%20-%2005:12:38%20AM.png
09:09 VanessaE       thexyz: so I can zoom the page (larger fonts) without the topic titles splitting out of their columns (cut off).  I figure, make the Thread titles column at least 50% wider, take what you need from the Forum and Replies columns since those are too wide anyway.
09:09 VanessaE       s/splitting/spilling/
09:10 JamesTait      Good morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D
09:11 VanessaE       morning, James
09:12 VanessaE       actually in that screenshot, the titles column needs to be more like 3x wider :P
09:15 thexyz         why'd you zoom in it?
09:15 VanessaE       because I have bad eyes and that's about the size I'd normally use it at, if I could
09:16 VanessaE       though I have to about two steps down from that to not lose topic info out of the column edge
09:16 thexyz         oh, font-size on body does work the same way so nevermind
09:17 thexyz         well, feel free to send me stylesheet, I'm not in the mood to do it right now
09:17 thexyz         also, those are not columns but <div>'s and <ul>'s
09:17 VanessaE       my css skills suck worse than my C++ skills :)
09:18 thexyz         apparently, some guys just have <table> fobia
09:18 VanessaE       I don't get that at all.  What's so wrong with tables?
09:18 thexyz         to the extent they begin to make tables in <div>s
09:18 thexyz         I don't get it too! tables are good for, meh, tables
09:20 thexyz         css sucks in general anyway
09:21 thexyz         instead of positioning elements as you wish you're required to fuck with floats, clears, displays, margins, and so on
09:21 pitriss        csds is great when is used properly..:)
09:21 pitriss        *css
09:22 thexyz         well, anything is great when used properly
09:23 VanessaE       the only thing I ever use css for is setting colors and fonts
09:23 VanessaE       html 4 for layout, js for little effects or whatever
09:23 thexyz         for example, sticky footer
09:25 thexyz         <div>s of equal height
09:29 thexyz         VanessaE: do you still use tables for layouts?
09:34 VanessaE       yup
09:34 VanessaE       where it makes sense to anyway
09:34 VanessaE       but I'm kinda stuck in the 90's like that :P
09:35 VanessaE       but I don't do web design, just what's on my own pages
09:36 thexyz         hm.. I'd suggest using something like Bootstrap or Foundation if you "don't do web design"
09:37 VanessaE       meh
09:37 thexyz         that way your pages would look fine enough and you won't have to design anything
09:37 VanessaE       no need, my pages are pretty well static
09:37 VanessaE       nothing much to change anymore :)
09:38 VanessaE       the one page with any dynamic content just presents a directory/file listing anyways
09:39 thexyz         it doesn't matter whether they're static or dynamic
09:39 thexyz         but well, using stock bootstrap isn't a really great idea either
09:41 VanessaE       you'll be happy to know, speaking of web stuff, that my server uses that remote media thing :)
09:41 VanessaE       (assuming you didn't see the discussion in -dev)
09:42 VanessaE       it hit me like a ton of bricks earlier - I already have website with its own domain, why not just host the damn media there. :)
09:52 kaeza          time for bed for me
09:52 kaeza          night all
09:52 VanessaE       night
09:52 Jordach        aww
09:54 Jordach        hey VanessaE
09:54 VanessaE       hey
09:54 Jordach        seen the diamond sword in the newest renders?
09:55 Jordach        check the wallpapers topic or my renders topic
09:55 VanessaE       sawit
09:55 VanessaE       saw it*
09:55 Jordach        transparent and refractive - doable in blender
09:56 Jordach        and for some reason lighting shadows now work
09:56 Exio4          [06:22:58] <thexyz> well, anything is great when used properly
09:56 Exio4          suddenly: javascript
09:57 Jordach        <Exio4> [06:22:58] <thexyz> well, anything is great when used properly <- bitches and hoes arent used properly
10:10 Jordach        for gods sakes; Clementine keeps getting stuck on mp3 playback (and this is the 1.1 windows release)
10:10 Calinou        works for me
10:10 Calinou        Exio4: javascript can be used properly
10:10 Jordach        Calinou, i happened on vista too
10:10 Exio4          Version 1.1.1
10:11 Exio4          Calinou: who said that? :>
10:11 Exio4          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6151841 http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-mobile-web-apps-are-slow/
10:11 Exio4          tl;dr javascript is awful and slow as hell
10:12 Exio4          if you want to feel the power of an i386 in your overclocked to 4.5GHz i7 4770K
10:12 Exio4          use javascript, if not, then well
10:12 Calinou        suddenly: BananaBread
10:13 Calinou        cube 2 ported to javascript/webgl/whatever, runs very well
10:13 Exio4          compare it to the native performance
10:13 Calinou        have fun coding C++ then
10:14 Exio4          BananaBread is C++
10:14 Exio4          compiled to JS
10:14 Exio4          using emscscript or w/e it is called Calinou
10:14 Calinou        emscripten
10:14 Exio4          https://github.com/kripken/emscripten
10:14 Exio4          yeah
10:15 Exio4          "compile your C, C++, or shits to JS with only a 10% of the performance of the native app!"
10:17 thexyz         Exio4: it's great when used properly
10:17 Exio4          thexyz: if you say so
10:18 thexyz         i mean, that statement just makes no sense
10:19 Exio4          javascript has some good things
10:21 thexyz         well, yeah, it's the only thing we can use for web pages
10:21 thexyz         that'll work everywhere
10:24 Exio4          it is the other PHP of the web 8)
10:26 sfan5          I visit some website and see code commented out that is meant to use my cpu for bitcoin mining
10:26 emerge         Hello!
10:26 thexyz         Exio4: there are no alternatives so it's not
10:27 sfan5          http://www.bitcoinplus.com/miner/embeddable
10:27 sfan5          ^ what the fuck is this
10:27 thexyz         sfan5: you didn't know?
10:27 sfan5          didn't know what?
10:28 thexyz         about this js bitcoin miner
10:28 sfan5          no
10:28 thexyz         it's so slow you won't be able to make profit, better put in ads
10:28 sfan5          I knew it was possible but...
10:29 VanessaE       mining bitcoin in js?  may as well be using a TI99/4a :P
10:29 sfan5          ^
10:30 thexyz         but then, some subhu^W^W everybody uses adblock now so ads aren't really profitable
10:30 Jordach        thexyz, you are NOT putting that in forum.minetest.net
10:30 sfan5          hell no
10:30 VanessaE       not just no or hell no, but FUCK NO.
10:30 thexyz         oh, you didn't notice?
10:31 thexyz         :troll:
10:31 sfan5          why isn't Irrlicht ported to JS?
10:31 sfan5          inb4 someone looks at the html source of forum.minetest.net
10:31 VanessaE       sfan5: what, you channeling lamefun now? :P)
10:31 VanessaE       :P
10:32 sfan5          no, but Minetest in a browser would be nice
10:32 VanessaE       should be able to pull off 5 fps or so in minimal :)
10:32 sfan5          compiling Irrlicht(SDL driver) with emscripten doesn't work because there is no SDL_setfenv
10:33 Jordach        4.96 hours for 0.00000064 BTC
10:33 Jordach        that's on a 32bit windows machine
10:33 VanessaE       Jordach: what's that translate to, about 1/3000 of a US cent or something? :)
10:33 emerge         Jordach: You need to use a video card or something.
10:34 sfan5          nvidias video cards are shit for mining
10:34 thexyz         can we use webgl or something to mine bitcoins?
10:35 emerge         I got ATI but I need it :3
10:35 Jordach        VanessaE, Last price:$105.51000 <- 1 BTC
10:35 VanessaE       heh, I was off a bit then
10:36 sfan5          !g webgl bitcoin miner
10:36 MinetestBot    sfan5: http://bitcoin.biniok.net/
10:36 VanessaE       about 0.0000675 USD :-)
10:38 * Jordach      sets Java.exe to high priority
10:39 thexyz         there's no point in mining now
10:39 thexyz         electiricy costs more than you'll mine
10:39 thexyz         without special chips designed for bitcoin mining, that is
10:39 sfan5          asic?
10:40 VanessaE       that's the trend now, yeah
10:42 thexyz         though I'm not exactly sure
10:42 thexyz         maybe you can make some moniez using a lot of GPUs
10:43 VanessaE       I wonder how much solar panel area it would take to run a typical gaming rig for bitcoin mining
10:44 VanessaE       around 6-8 square meters I suppose?
10:45 VanessaE       (assuming daytime running only, under ideal conditions, with a gaming box drawing a continuous 600W)
10:45 thexyz         you won't be able to mine anything with typical gaming rig
10:45 sfan5          depends on the GPUs
10:45 VanessaE       probably not
10:47 thexyz         it's too late to start anyway
10:50 Jordach        VanessaE, with that solar panel;n running your server would be cheaper
10:50 Jordach        -n
10:50 VanessaE       if Abe and I ever get this house to go lease-to-own, we'll be adding some solar, hopefulyl
10:51 VanessaE       hopefully*
10:54 VanessaE       kahrl: go back to bed
10:54 VanessaE       fuck
10:54 VanessaE       kaeza:  go back to bed
10:54 kaeza          PHAIL
10:54 thexyz         lol
10:54 VanessaE       come on, xchat.  that was just stupid
10:55 thexyz         well, i don't think kahrl've just woke up
10:55 Calinou        poor kahrl
10:55 VanessaE       heh
10:55 kaeza          I'll ping kahrl again
10:55 Jordach        TIL kahrl is lazier than me
10:56 Jordach        up early VanessaE
10:56 thexyz         why?
10:56 VanessaE       Jordach: yeah
10:56 Jordach        or just not sleeping
10:56 Jordach        wierd
10:57 Jordach        weird* clementine stopped freaking out over playing mp3 filse
10:57 Jordach        files*
10:57 Jordach        i upgraded to latest dev build (git tag g0ff0c30)
10:58 kaeza          lol g
10:58 VanessaE       up really early (since ~1:45am)
10:58 thexyz         or maybe, he's at work?
10:58 sfan5          its 12:58am
10:58 Jordach        seems legit
10:59 Jordach        you mean 12:58pm
10:59 sfan5          no am
10:59 sfan5          s/ /, /
10:59 Calinou        sfan5 is an australian in disguise
10:59 thexyz         your am/pm thing sucks
10:59 thexyz         it's 12:58
11:00 thexyz         somewhere
11:00 sfan5          59*
11:00 Jordach        i usually read time in military 2400
11:00 kaeza          12:58am == 00:58
11:00 sfan5          !time
11:00 sfan5          no we apparently don't have this thing
11:00 Jordach        sfan5, you need to make MinetestBot do timezones
11:00 sfan5          no
11:00 Jordach        !gmt 0
11:00 thexyz         yeah, and a lot of other useless crap
11:00 Jordach        for gmt+0
11:00 Jordach        same can be said for xyz.is
11:01 PenguinDad     now it's 1pm
11:01 Jordach        oh, did i mention your tracking domain
11:01 thexyz         what tracking domain? there's no tracking domain
11:01 thexyz         lrn2read
11:01 thexyz         sfan5: did you consider http://willie.dftba.net/?
11:02 sfan5          no
11:03 Jordach        thexyz, not everyone wants bleeding edge
11:03 Jordach        for something that sits there 24/7 you better want stability > features
11:04 thexyz         why do you think it's unstable?
11:04 Jordach        bleeding edge might have crashes
11:05 Calinou        not always
11:05 Calinou        try playing latest minetest git and see
11:05 Jordach        also: to close or not to close: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6791
11:05 thexyz         everything may have crashes
11:05 Jordach        like cars
11:05 kaeza          or planes
11:06 sfan5          lolwat, someone got to my minetest build site with archive.org
11:06 Calinou        ...or trains
11:06 Jordach        ......or automobiles
11:06 kaeza          or windows
11:08 PilzAdam       Hello everyone!
11:08 VanessaE       morning PA
11:11 Jordach        sfan5, im lovin it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103724#p103724
11:11 sfan5          yes?
11:11 sfan5          really?
11:12 Jordach        mhm
11:12 * Jordach      wonders where pavel_s has gone
11:13 PenguinDad     Jordach: he is forever alone
11:14 Calinou        foreveralone.jpg
11:16 PenguinDad     Calinou: https://github.com/wenkakes/foreveralone :P
11:22 sfan5          "We are halfway between traditional web hosting and my butt, combining the advantages of both."
11:26 PilzAdam       why is https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6797 stickied?
11:27 Calinou        unstickied :P
11:28 BlockMen       hi
11:29 Jordach        hey BlockMen, Evergreen
11:29 * Jordach      thinks Evergreen lives near new york
11:29 Evergreen      Nope, your wrong
11:29 Evergreen      :D
11:29 Evergreen      *you're
11:30 Evergreen      What made you think that?
11:30 Jordach        because you live in the same timezone as VanessaE
11:30 Jordach        -Evergreen- TIME Mon Aug 05 07:30:23 2013
11:30 Jordach        -VanessaE- TIME Mon Aug  5 07:34:17
11:31 BlockMen       isnt washington even the same timezone?
11:31 * Jordach      thinks so
11:31 Evergreen      That's because we use new york time way over where I live, I have no idea why
11:31 PilzAdam       BlockMen, hello me :-p
11:32 Evergreen      We switched a year ago or so
11:32 Jordach        Evergreen, is it those tropical islands "owned" by the us
11:32 Jordach        US*
11:33 BlockMen       PilzAdam, soliloquy? :D
11:34 BlockMen       oh Jordach, btw, the logo and lettering are cc-by 3.0 themself -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103840#p103840 :P
11:34 Jordach        ah shit
11:35 Jordach        mediagoblin wont let me change them now :P
11:36 * BlockMen     hates licenses
11:36 BlockMen       *most time
11:36 Jordach        BlockMen, waive it
11:36 Jordach        (you created the artwork; you can waive it)
11:36 PilzAdam       WTFPL FTW
11:37 Jordach        nyuszika7h, lol
11:37 nyuszika7h     was a test
11:37 nyuszika7h     because my friend's bot would refuse to nick to it
11:37 BlockMen       i could just wauive the lettering
11:37 VanessaE       bbl
11:37 BlockMen       *waive
11:37 PilzAdam       Jordach, you have to delete those 2 posts https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103660#p103660 because they dont contain wallpapers
11:38 thexyz         PilzAdam: b-but I don't want evil corporations to *make money* without giving anything to me!
11:38 BlockMen       ^
11:38 BlockMen       :D
11:38 Calinou        >nyu >not testing something
11:39 * Jordach      really wonders where Jejia is
11:39 Peacock        he was on here the other day
11:39 Peacock        i saw him sign off
11:40 BlockMen       Jordach, you could add a [solved] -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6769 :P
11:40 Jordach        i also code tagged the debug
11:41 BlockMen       good
11:42 BlockMen       PilzAdam, is there a chance that #851 get merged in 0.4.8?
11:43 Jordach        Calinou, #redeclipse NPW
11:43 Jordach        NOW*
11:53 Evergreen      Sorry, I was afk.
11:53 Evergreen      And yes, I do live on the US continent
11:54 PilzAdam       updated the changelog
11:54 PilzAdam       lol "the US continent"
11:54 Peacock        lol yeah, i wonder where Canada is (the arctic?) :P
11:55 Peacock        or Mexico for that matter :p
11:55 PilzAdam       there are two continents on earth: the US continent and the russian continent
11:56 Peacock        sino-russian continent :p
11:56 Peacock        russians are outnumbered by their chinese neighbours
11:56 Evergreen      Lol, I just US main land, not some island owned by th United States
11:57 Evergreen      *I just meant
11:57 Evergreen      *the
11:59 Peacock        :P were just poking fun :-)
12:01 Peacock        though i much prefer the appelation mainland rather than homeland :-)
12:01 Peacock        homeland sounds like empire
12:03 Peacock        is 0.4.8 out now? i see posts on the forum
12:04 Evergreen      IT is very close to being released
12:04 PilzAdam       <PenguinDad> Minetest 0.4.8: Coming Soon Realâ„¢
12:05 Peacock        just as well, still looking for a proper to way to install jit in wheezy
12:07 Peacock        fancy that, found the deb package to dl
12:08 Peacock        now if i could just sort out these anounce timeouts
12:09 * Jordach      experiments with transparency again
12:27 Peacock        does minetest.register_on_cheat ever give any false positives? id want to ban outright hacked clients w/o warning
12:27 PilzAdam       it _should_ not happen that lag triggers it
12:28 Peacock        and i have to have anticheat on for it to work?
12:28 PilzAdam       but if e.g. a client digs a dirt block, but at the same time it gets replaced by stone or something then it would trigger the "dug_undigable_node"
12:28 Peacock        the one thing that drove me nuts about anticheat was being continuously dragged back to where i was
12:28 PilzAdam       yes, anticheat is required
12:29 PilzAdam       thats why we fixed it ;-)
12:29 Peacock        ahhh, got it :-)
12:29 Peacock        thanks
12:30 Peacock        lol nice nocheat does public shaming too XD
12:30 PilzAdam       s/shaming/spamming/
12:31 Peacock        well when the others know that griefers are getting banned, theyre less inclined to follow
12:31 PilzAdam       s/griefers/hackers
12:31 bas080         why is my lava not flowing?
12:31 Calinou        that's what she said
12:33 Peacock        hard to guess with that much detail :P
12:34 bas080         Peacock, true, but not that there is a known reason for that...
12:35 Peacock        what version minetest, minetest_Game, any lava cooling mods?
12:35 bas080         no lava cooling mods. I'll update the lava source and flowing now.
12:37 bas080         only difference is this line  paramtype2 = "flowingliquid",
12:38 bas080         apperently that's enough...
12:38 Peacock        "LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua." i just installed it :/
12:38 Peacock        brb, restarting
12:40 Peacock        still not finding luajit :/
12:41 PenguinDad     Peacock: under xubuntu it works well :P
12:42 Peacock        its not showing up in synaptic though
12:42 Peacock        but when i click the deb file, it says "reinstall"
12:44 kaeza          bas080, liquid_update or something like that in .conf
12:44 bas080         kaeza, am checking
12:45 PilzAdam       Peacock, do you have the -dev package for it?
12:45 Peacock        luajit-dev?
12:45 PilzAdam       libluajit-5.1-dev in kubuntu
12:46 PilzAdam       note that you should use lua 5.1
12:46 kaeza          bas080, liquid_loop_max = 10000
12:46 kaeza          IIRC
12:46 bas080         i only see liquid finite. But after adding the line paramtype2 = "flowingliquid", to lava def it works
12:46 bas080         ok, why so high?
12:46 bas080         or is it high?
12:46 kaeza          it depends on your computer
12:46 Peacock        found it :-)
12:47 kaeza          low values make it use less CPU, but liquid update may stall
12:47 bas080         ok done it.
12:49 Peacock        ahah, i had installed 5.1 and i needed 5.1-2[...]
12:51 bas080         kaeza, finally my lava works!
12:51 kaeza          great :)
12:51 bas080         Calinou, is that what you she said?
12:52 Calinou        wat
12:52 bas080         "finally my lava works!"
12:53 Evergreen      I found a nice drum sequencer called hydrogen.   I though it would be something to mess around with
12:57 Peacock        for future reference lol needed debs are (libluajit-5.1-2, libluajit-5.1-common, libluajit-5.1-dev, luajit)
12:57 Peacock        i might accidentally wipe partitions but the logs should be safer XD
12:58 PilzAdam       Peacock, isnt it quite obious that you need these packages?
12:59 Peacock        the package you mentionned (dev) wasn't listed as related to the others :/
12:59 Peacock        so you kinda had to know
12:59 PilzAdam       you always need lib*-dev as a compile dependency
13:00 thexyz         enjoy your umm... debian?
13:00 Peacock        crunchbang
13:00 thexyz         almost
13:00 Peacock        cpu usage is a third of arch (from 3% to 1%) :p
13:01 Peacock        besides arch is increasingly looking like a mess
13:01 Peacock        pushing so many changes that breaks the system, increasing number of sections on the wiki are out of date
13:02 Evergreen      Let me ask a question, is linux mint cinamon addition more light weight than ubuntu?
13:02 Peacock        no
13:02 Peacock        isn't cinamon based on gnome3?
13:02 Evergreen      Okay, another question.   Does Xubuntu support all the applications that ubuntu does?
13:02 PilzAdam       Peacock, no you can test  $ luajit -e "local x=0; for i=1,1e9 do x=x+i end; print(x)"  vs.  $ lua -e "local x=0; for i=1,1e9 do x=x+i end; print(x)"
13:02 PilzAdam       *now
13:02 Peacock        why wouldn't it?
13:03 Evergreen      Just wondering, I was pretty sure it would, but just checking
13:03 Peacock        PilzAdam minetest already found jit and compiled much faster than im used to lol
13:03 Jordach        Evergreen, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
13:03 PilzAdam       Evergreen, Xubuntu is the same as Ubuntu but with a different DE
13:03 Jordach        then login as xubuntu user
13:03 Evergreen      Okay, thanks
13:03 Calinou        Evergreen: linux mint isn't as good as people might say
13:04 Peacock        still better than buntu :p
13:04 PilzAdam       distro war? KUBUNTU FTW!
13:04 Calinou        Peacock: no
13:04 thexyz         PilzAdam: yay, yay, that's a bad way to test performance
13:04 Calinou        mint discourages a few practices for no reason
13:04 PilzAdam       thexyz, found it in the manpage of luajit
13:05 thexyz         PilzAdam: then "lol"
13:05 thexyz         is what I wanted to say
13:05 PenguinDad     PilzAdam: you mean Xubuntu and Kubuntu FTW
13:06 Peacock        calinou, when i read that ubuntu started spying on their users, i knew they were done like a christmas goose
13:06 PilzAdam       Peacock, only unity spies their users
13:06 PilzAdam       thats why Kubuntu is so good
13:06 Peacock        still, when people tell you to use linux because of spyware on windows, and ubuntu proceeds to do the same thing... lol
13:07 Calinou        it doesn't if you never use the dash, Peacock
13:07 Calinou        back when I used unity I never used it
13:07 Peacock        lets just say theyre not helping perceptions
13:07 PilzAdam       Canonical – the Microsoft of Open Source
13:07 Peacock        another benefit of dropping arch : i dont have to read a dozen cryptic threads in Anouncements every time i update something lol
13:07 thexyz         aw, shit, another distro war
13:08 Peacock        you started it :p
13:08 PilzAdam       thexyz, Monday is distro war day
13:08 Peacock        lol
13:08 Evergreen      Oh no, I started a distro war
13:08 PilzAdam       Tuesday too
13:08 Evergreen      I new I should have asked someone else
13:08 PilzAdam       and wednesday
13:08 PilzAdam       and all the other week too
13:08 thexyz         your distro sucks.
13:08 Peacock        they all have innovative ways of sucking
13:08 Peacock        if there was a perfect distro there wouldn't be so many of them
13:09 Calinou        some distros make better compromise than others
13:09 Peacock        like CB vs AB
13:09 Jordach        if Distro_War == True: Jordach.Prepare_Channel(!Kick)
13:09 Peacock        same setup, much easier to maintain
13:09 Jordach        can we quit with the distro wars; i've had enough
13:10 Peacock        thats only cuz you get one flavour of windows :p
13:10 Jordach        theres a world full of nodes, go mining and explore
13:10 Jordach        Peacock, i have 9x and NT
13:10 Peacock        9x?
13:10 Jordach        95, 98, ME
13:10 Peacock        did you steal a library computer or something? XD
13:10 Jordach        HA!
13:11 * Jordach      knows library computers are the shittest on the planet
13:11 jin_xi         yay, turtle system now done in lua! http://i.imgur.com/c34BTsw.png
13:11 Peacock        well, if youre gonna stick with windows, stick with XP or 7
13:11 thexyz         Calinou: well, yeah, they all suck differently
13:11 Calinou        win 8 is better than 7, Peacock
13:11 Calinou        lighter, better task manager
13:11 Peacock        are you on drugs?
13:11 Calinou        you are free to use ClassicShell, like you are free to use Notepad++ instead of the windows notepad
13:11 Evergreen      EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP
13:12 Calinou        Peacock: no u
13:12 Calinou        Evergreen: ok
13:12 Peacock        they practically have to give win8 away for ppl to use it
13:12 Evergreen      I am sick of distro wars
13:12 Jordach        same here
13:12 Jordach        i might try W8 next year
13:12 GNADev|zRokh   Aye doods
13:12 Peacock        SurfaceRT just got price cut by 100$ and ppl say its still too expensive lol
13:12 thexyz         Calinou: okay, so where do i buy it?
13:12 * Jordach      has already tried W8 Transformation Pack
13:13 thexyz         last time I tried there was only win7→8 way
13:13 Jordach        Nuke C:/ -> Clean Install
13:13 thexyz         hardcopy-less, that is
13:13 Jordach        i store my stuff on a secondary partition
13:13 Calinou        thexyz: anywhere? ._.
13:13 Peacock        anyways, distros wars cant be avoided, the minute you ask "how do i install <package> on <distro>", people still need to ask
13:14 thexyz         Calinou: I'm probably too stupid
13:15 GNADev|zRokh   Lol
13:15 PenguinDad     luajit -e "local x=0; for i=1,math.huge do x=x+i print(x) end" > numbers xD
13:15 Jordach        i like windows 8 for one feature: Ribbon explorer (I actually hate the 7 file manager)
13:16 Peacock        lol math.huge (sounds like a programmers' e-dating profile) :P
13:16 thexyz         Calinou: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/buy — here I only can find "upgrade" links
13:17 Evergreen      Lol, someone just asked if a 0.3.3 pack works with ubuntu
13:17 Evergreen      *o.3.1
13:17 thexyz         oh, wait, there's some link
13:17 Evergreen      *sigh*
13:18 Evergreen      0.3.1 texture pack that is
13:18 thexyz         > you can buy the Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro System Builder products (OEM versions)
13:19 Peacock        where is minetest.conf stored with DRUN_IN_PLACE=1?
13:19 thexyz         now, where do I buy digital copy?
13:19 thexyz         Calinou: plz
13:20 Calinou        don't know
13:20 Calinou        yes, you can buy the OEM versions
13:20 Calinou        the non-OEM versions are well hidden, if even available, and very expensive
13:20 Calinou        this is windows logixc
13:20 Calinou        -x
13:22 Peacock        .conf :: server_dedicated ?
13:22 thexyz         well, so that's impossible
13:25 Peacock        "could not allocate player" (latest git)
13:25 GNADev|zRokh   Define OEM
13:27 thexyz         google it
13:28 GNADev|zRokh   !g oem windows
13:28 MinetestBot    GNADev|zRokh: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/is-it-ok-to-use-oem-windows-on-your-own-pc-dont-ask-microsoft/1561
13:28 PenguinDad     !g OEM
13:28 MinetestBot    PenguinDad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_equipment_manufacturer
13:28 thexyz         i hate it
13:28 thexyz         why can't i just buy it with, say, paypal and receive a digital download?
13:28 * Jordach      pokes sfan5 to see if he's about
13:29 sfan5          meow
13:29 Jordach        stay here for a few mins
13:30 Jordach        sfan5, http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/294/mtbot.png
13:30 GNADev|zRokh   !g what is oem
13:30 MinetestBot    GNADev|zRokh: http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/glossary/f/oemsoftware.-UFl.htm
13:30 sfan5          Jordach: dat arm
13:30 * Jordach      cant work out proper elbow joints
13:31 Jordach        (he keeps forgetting to open in new tab)
13:31 Peacock        is that a flower on the side of his head or some sort of alien parasite? :P
13:31 Jordach        her*
13:31 Peacock        its a woman?
13:31 Jordach        pixel bow btw
13:31 Peacock        i knew english women were ugly but daaamn
13:31 sfan5          Peacock: bots are female
13:32 Jordach        fun fact: that's actually the sam II model re-done for a different cubic hat style
13:32 Jordach        i actually have a "Template" model to work from; already subdivided; so i can work the hat layer in seconds
13:33 Jordach        once i delete the non-needed areas (black = tranp) then i extrude individual giving the cubic effect
13:35 Jordach        i'm continuing experimenting with blender's internal render
13:35 * Jordach      will probably fix the mouth issue
13:36 Jordach        btw, i'm attempting to see if we can get pavel_s back
13:41 Jordach        if i ever see a download without screenshots: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_mother_of_all_suspicious_files.png
13:45 thexyz         > lisp
13:46 PenguinDad     *perl
13:46 sfan5          **brainfuck
13:47 PenguinDad     brainfuck: ++>+--++<
13:48 sfan5          you mean --<-++-->
13:49 PenguinDad     sfan5: i can't code brainfuck i only wrote all syntax elements of brainfuck
13:49 sfan5          eh
13:49 sfan5          +-<>[]
13:49 PenguinDad     sry forgot about []
13:50 PenguinDad     *+-<>[].,
13:50 sfan5          oh right
13:51 * IceCraft     hi
13:51 PenguinDad     I have seen a brainfuck compiler in piet
14:00 hoodedice      !seen
14:00 MinetestBot    hoodedice: Need a nickname to search for...
14:00 hoodedice      !seen Peacock
14:00 MinetestBot    hoodedice: peacock was last seen at 2013-08-05 13:31:35 UTC on #minetest
14:00 Peacock        right here :p
14:00 hoodedice      Wow.
14:00 PenguinDad     !sfu celeron55
14:00 MinetestBot    PenguinDad: No Results found
14:01 hoodedice      (server)
14:01 Peacock        up
14:02 Peacock        was just updating autoban
14:02 Peacock        hacked clients are banned on 1st try (hopefully)
14:02 hoodedice      Why?
14:02 Peacock        why wouldn't i?
14:03 hoodedice      (Another chance)
14:03 Peacock        do you seriously think people who hack their clients to wreak havoc on public servers will suddenly reform?
14:03 hoodedice      Well, if they hacked it in a good way?
14:03 hoodedice      (Not wanting to greif)
14:03 hoodedice      or grief
14:04 hoodedice      Or whatever the correct spelling of greef is
14:04 Peacock        rules and privs are there for a reason, if people are hacking their clients to get around them, theyre not needed on a server for serious builders
14:04 hoodedice      hmm
14:04 Peacock        not running an experimental playground, im building nice things on there
14:04 hoodedice      =)
14:05 thexyz         how'd you hack it in a good way?
14:06 Peacock        was curious about that too lol
14:06 hoodedice      Like changed the source about a bit to get better framerates?
14:07 hoodedice      *Ah, the joy of a freshly started server*
14:07 thexyz         hoodedice: then they should send a pull request
14:07 Peacock        i think i know of a way to reduce lag, id have to increase the dig time of my tools
14:08 hoodedice      Pull request... Talk about it with Jordach
14:08 Peacock        faster shit gets dug the more changes have to be written to map
14:08 hoodedice      Not everyone likes to contribute
14:08 MinetestBot    Jordach: That ain't me: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103954#p103954
14:08 thexyz         Jordach: hai! wanna talk pull request stuff
14:09 hoodedice      Lol. To speak of the devil.
14:09 thexyz         I don't think anyone would modify client, get better framerate and then not send a pull request
14:09 thexyz         because that just makes no sense
14:10 sfan5          Peacock: make sure you don't ban people for 'interacted_too_far' because that can happen without a modified client
14:10 hoodedice      Because they might work at Microsoft?
14:11 nore           sfan5: is there some call for interacted_without_interact?
14:11 sfan5          nore: no
14:11 sfan5          as thats not cheating
14:11 Peacock        how does interacted too far work?
14:11 nore           because if people have modified client, they could do it
14:11 Peacock        (in any case im logging each type to see if theres an unusual occurence of them)
14:11 nore           sfan5: I mean dug_node_without_interact
14:11 nore           and then removing interact would be useless (for your mod)
14:11 sfan5          nore: still no, thats not cheating you can't dig the node anyway
14:12 sfan5          lolwat
14:12 thexyz         Peacock: btw, what heuristic do you use to ban people?
14:12 sfan5          You think the server _doesn't_ check if you have interact?
14:12 nore           if you have a modified client, you can do that and then pass walls on laggy servers
14:12 Peacock        simple, users get warned everytime they try to fuck with protected areas, 10 warnings = jail, 15 warnings = ban
14:12 sfan5          Peacock: if you try to interact with something thats too far away
14:13 Peacock        i also ban Guest#### names, any name with more than four digits, and pretty soon any name with 'minecraft' in it
14:13 sfan5          nore: thats the same as noclip
14:13 sfan5          its easier to just enable fly and noclip
14:13 nore           sfan5: you're right
14:13 hoodedice      Peacock said "Any name with _minecraft_ in it"
14:13 sfan5          Peacock: "any name with more than four digit" thats racist against digits
14:13 thexyz         Peacock: what's your server?
14:13 hoodedice      Startest
14:14 Peacock        startest
14:14 sfan5          !server startest
14:14 MinetestBot    sfan5: Startest | 199.202.146.48 | Clients: 1/14, 4 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.216
14:14 sfan5          !up 199.202.146.48
14:14 hoodedice      I said it first yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy
14:14 MinetestBot    199.202.146.48:30000 is up (222ms)
14:14 Peacock        i wanted to plug this rig directly into the router, but the only working jack is at the other end of the apt
14:14 sfan5          !server players:most
14:14 MinetestBot    sfan5: LandRush Server | 192.95.62.241:31000 | Clients: 8/20, 19 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.200
14:15 hoodedice      apt?
14:15 Peacock        flat/apartment
14:15 PenguinDad     Now LandRush allows 20 players \o/
14:15 Peacock        but i dont want the computer next to the bathroom XD
14:15 hoodedice      (Get a longer cab;e)
14:15 hoodedice      *cable
14:15 Jordach        thexyz, wut
14:16 Peacock        i dont think a very long cable would help lag in that case?
14:16 Peacock        plus, there's the cat
14:16 Peacock        (kitty cat, not CAT5)
14:17 hoodedice      (Optic fibre)
14:17 hoodedice      !Peacock: Which state?
14:18 Peacock        state?
14:18 Peacock        La Belle Province :p
14:19 Peacock        they do have fibre optics, but so long as theyre throttling speeds during peak hours, i wont pay more for the same
14:19 hoodedice      Tu est Canadien?!
14:19 Peacock        French Canadian :p too imaginative to be anglo-canadian :p
14:19 hoodedice      =)
14:19 mitori         Jordach, you were able to optimize minetest and didn't do the pull request or is it just me hearing (seeing) things?
14:20 hoodedice      !mitori : It was a hypothetical situation
14:21 hoodedice      I was talking about a certain user who (if) found a certain exploit in the code to make it faster
14:21 Peacock        when players timeout, is it my timeout i have to change, or do they have to change theirs?
14:21 mitori         hoodedice too bad. anyway why did you put ! before my name?
14:21 hoodedice      Habit.!
14:21 mitori         alright.
14:21 mitori         peace
14:21 hoodedice      Peacock, will you mind shifting the teleporter thingy
14:22 Jordach        hmm? i was making and eating warm buttery toast
14:22 Peacock        oh dear, gimme a few minutes, gotta power up the old dinosaur (p4) :p
14:22 Jordach        mitori, map saving is a pretty low value
14:22 Jordach        change that to something like 300 seconds
14:23 Jordach        (5 mins afaik)
14:23 Jordach        btw, it's a conf setting.
14:23 hoodedice      Peacock, ever heard of Evil-Dog?
14:24 Jordach        bbl - halo 4 time
14:26 Peacock        evil dog?
14:26 Peacock        i think he got himself banned yeah
14:27 hoodedice      Evil Dog as in the flash game dev / punk rock artist
14:27 hoodedice      evil-dog.com
14:27 hoodedice      (what was that command again)
14:27 PenguinDad     !title
14:27 MinetestBot    PenguinDad: My Random Blender Renders (Page 4) — Offtopic — Minetest Forums
14:28 PenguinDad     http://evil-dog.com
14:28 PenguinDad     !title
14:28 Peacock        not a fan of flash games or punk rock lol
14:29 MinetestBot    PenguinDad: Can't connect to http://evil-dog.com
14:29 hoodedice      Well, he got 'Most creative game of the Year' for Road of the Dead
14:29 Exio4          hi weird people!
14:29 PenguinDad     i hate flash games
14:29 hoodedice      (Server's down)
14:29 PilzAdam       hai princess Exio4
14:29 Peacock        i think so too, i logged in and map didn't load
14:29 Exio4          hi Rainbow Adam
14:29 hoodedice      (Not yours)
14:29 Peacock        oph lol
14:29 Peacock        still working tho?
14:30 hoodedice      ya
14:30 Exio4          crossposting from other channel: http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
14:30 Exio4          lol
14:31 PilzAdam       !title
14:31 MinetestBot    PilzAdam: Document isn't HTML
14:31 hoodedice      Limewire is so 2001
14:31 hoodedice      Sorry, 2008
14:32 hoodedice      What is this cubeworld?
14:32 hoodedice      Another minetest ripoff?
14:32 Exio4          PilzAdam: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=LOL+LIMEWIRE
14:32 mirda          hello, i have kubuntu and i use ppa daily-builds, now i am playing on landrush and i have empty chat log which can be opened by pressing F10
14:32 PilzAdam       Exio4, NO >:-(
14:32 PilzAdam       no google
14:33 Peacock        getting alot more 'failed to emerge player' from latest git :/
14:34 hoodedice      (No google fibers in Ohio)
14:34 hoodedice      :|
14:34 Peacock        hoodedice put one of those funky color lamps down where you want the transporter to be
14:34 PilzAdam       Exio4, when am I allowed to stop that?
14:35 Exio4          after 10 days
14:35 PilzAdam       :-/
14:37 hoodedice      Yo, you forgot the computer thingy
14:37 Peacock        shit
14:37 hoodedice      =)
14:38 hoodedice      You must be A) Sleepy B) Busy
14:38 Peacock        well we busted the chair for the p4's desk during the move lol
14:38 Peacock        and my back is still killing me
14:38 Peacock        :p
14:38 hoodedice      =)
14:39 sfan5          can someone verify this works? http://jsbombghxqkzogdd.onion:8083/
14:39 Peacock        tor site?
14:39 Calinou        seems legit
14:39 PilzAdam       sfan5, define "works"
14:40 Peacock        http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/08/04/2054208/half-of-tor-sites-compromised-including-tormail
14:40 sfan5          works == loads and everything works
14:40 PilzAdam       thats recursive
14:40 PilzAdam       also define "loads"
14:40 hoodedice      sfan5 : No?
14:41 PilzAdam       you mean in a regular web browser?
14:41 sfan5          no, in the tor browser
14:41 hoodedice      I see some sorta red rectangle
14:41 hoodedice      Oh
14:41 hoodedice      -.-
14:42 Exio4          sfan5, loads
14:42 mirda          i read about compromising tor - problem was that some version of tor browser (firefox with some changes) had by default active javascript and users used this browser for browsing on normal internet
14:43 sfan5          Exio4: good
14:43 sfan5          mirda: only the first thing
14:43 Peacock        for a bunch of people concerned about privacy, using Tor seems to have the opposite intended effect :p
14:43 sfan5          mirda: http://www.reddit.com/r/ReverseEngineering/comments/1jpln2/has_anyone_else_taken_a_look_at_the_shellcode/cbh1qpe
14:45 mirda          ok
14:47 Exio4          my hears got destroyed by explosions sounds
14:47 Exio4          sfan5, gg (?)
14:47 sfan5          Exio4: gg
14:47 Exio4          :P
14:48 mirda          F12 for screenshot also dont work for today build from ubuntu ppa daily-builds
14:54 PenguinDad     !title
14:54 MinetestBot    PenguinDad: moyix comments on Has anyone else taken a look at the shellcode that is driving the newest TOR/Firef[...]
14:59 svuorela       hmm... bow and arrows. is there a working mod with that (that works with simple mobs as well) ?
14:59 Exio4          throwing?
14:59 PilzAdam       by PilzAdam
15:00 Exio4          if it doesn't work, slap PilzAdam til he updates it,
15:00 Exio4          s/,$/./
15:00 Peacock        sitll waiting for the 'PilzAdam by PilzAdam' mod :p
15:00 PilzAdam       Peacock, Pilztest coming really soon
15:00 Peacock        fake player mobs would be cool :-)
15:01 Peacock        hook it up with a chat bot to keep the kids busy lol
15:01 sfan5          Peacock: that wouldn't be nice
15:01 MinetestBot    Then I clould play on MT servers \o/
15:01 Peacock        yes you clould
15:02 Exio4          could pls
15:02 Peacock        dunno, its somewhat irritating when a buncha kids sign on, dont build anything, and spam the chat
15:02 Exio4          ban him
15:02 Peacock        and get pissed off when youre busy doing admin things
15:02 Exio4          and them or w/e
15:02 Peacock        or, god forbid, building yourself lol
15:03 svuorela       hmm.. some dude with the nick PilzAdam claims on the last page in the throwing forum post that it doesn't yet work with simple mobs ?
15:03 PilzAdam       what an idiot
15:04 Exio4          lol..
15:04 PilzAdam       I mean how lazy can you be to not update the damage system?
15:04 Peacock        i suppose i could add a autoban rule for chat spamming
15:05 mirda          Peacock: this would be useful :)
15:05 PilzAdam       Peacock, I always read Autobahn...
15:05 mirda          :D
15:06 Peacock        lol i know :P its the first thing i think of too :p
15:06 Peacock        no highways on my map yet tho
15:06 pitriss        Maybe better than ban will be lowering their health if they spam:D
15:06 Peacock        so they can complain that theyre losing bacon strips?
15:06 Peacock        (hearts)
15:06 PenguinDad     PilzAdam: I read the same :)
15:07 Exio4          someone should make a "nocheatplus" mod for minetest
15:07 PilzAdam       Exio4, YOU ARE A PIRATE.... LALALALALA
15:07 pitriss        Yeah.. and complaining will eat 1/4 of health:D That will give them lesson:D
15:07 Exio4          that hooks into the chat (for looking if it spams or not, and so on)
15:07 Exio4          lol PilzAdam
15:07 Calinou        also looks for people typing /pl
15:08 Peacock        i could always timestamp each players' last four messages and check the average
15:08 Peacock        pl?
15:08 PenguinDad     I wanna sail, I wanna sail tonight.
15:09 Peacock        i wonder what the lua function is for checking if a string is all caps
15:10 Peacock        hm, stupid question, could use string.match
15:10 Exio4          i guess https://www.google.com/search?q=check+string+caps+lua
15:10 Exio4          :>
15:11 Peacock        i need to find a lua .chm manual lol
15:11 * PilzAdam     slaps Exio4 with ixquick.com
15:12 * Calinou      slaps PilzAdam with startpage.com
15:12 * PilzAdam     slaps Calinou with startmail beta
15:12 * Exio4        slaps Calinou & PilzAdam with yahoo
15:12 Exio4          trololol :3
15:12 PilzAdam       !kick Exio4
15:14 * PenguinDad   slaps PilzAdam and Calinou with duckduckgo.com
15:14 PilzAdam       lol
15:15 PilzAdam       thats the little retarded brother of google
15:15 Peacock        retarded -> PC translation -> "special" :p
15:16 Peacock        or GOP if you're american :p
15:17 Peacock        j/k
15:23 cbg1990        algun server?
15:24 Exio4          cbg1990: que necesitas? el canal es para hablar en ingles principalmente
15:24 PenguinDad     spain?
15:24 cbg1990        pues entoy empezando
15:24 Exio4          PenguinDad: yes, spanish
15:24 cbg1990        yes
15:24 PilzAdam       isnt there ##minetest-es or something like that?
15:25 Exio4          PilzAdam: there is; i just wait a bit for the spam ;P
15:28 Peacock        interesting day for construction in montreal: at one site a piece of debris fell and killed a passerby, at another sit a sinkhole swallowed up a bulldozer + worker
15:29 sokomine       did the worker escape or could be rescued?
15:29 Peacock        no news yet
15:29 Peacock        pictures are just starting to stream in on twitter
15:29 * sokomine     stays away from buildings under construction in montreal
15:30 Peacock        ah hell two years ago a piece of concrete fell off one (complete) tower, killing two
15:30 Peacock        chunks of highway overhang
15:30 Peacock        why dyou think i left that shithole? lol
15:30 sokomine       sounds bad :-(
15:30 Peacock        taxes and corruption keep going up, everything else is coming down LOL
15:31 Peacock        city's so desperate for money their ticketing cyclists and people sitting on grass in parks
15:32 Evergreen      What about detroit?  :P
15:32 Peacock        detroit is probably a lost cause :P its way too huge for it's population, and too expensive for it's tax base
15:33 Evergreen      I went through detroit, and it honestly looked like a set for an apocalypse movie
15:33 Peacock        and they say the 3rd world is abroad lol
15:35 Peacock        i much prefer living in the "downtown" of a town, rather than the outskirts of a large city imo
15:37 Peacock        especially with street gangs setting up shop in the suburbs lol
15:41 Peacock        i think respawn kicked off cheat detection: http://pastebin.com/u8tqtVEA
15:41 kaeza          g*d this guy is dense https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103960#p103960
15:41 kaeza          hmmmm too
15:41 kaeza          o hai :D
15:50 PilzAdam       bbl
15:51 PenguinDad     !up 0gb.us
15:51 MinetestBot    0gb.us:30000 is up (294ms)
15:53 Peacock        is this a good pattern for 5 or more digits? "%d%d%d%d(%d+)"
15:55 Peacock        might wanna add ghost detection to anticheat too - i teleport to a player the other day that had no player entity but was obviously doing things
16:23 Peacock        ' NeoMoustic tried to dig unbreakable node' what is unbreakable node? (before many more get banned lol)
16:23 Exio4          cloud blocks
16:23 Peacock        weird, i dont have any on the server :/
16:24 pitriss        please can somebody tell me what means this: "Access denied.Reason:Could not allocate player.You may need to wait for a time. " message from MT client nobody who I asked didn't saw this yet..
16:24 Peacock        player digged and placed a bunch of dry shrubs and got kicked off for unbreakable node
16:24 Peacock        im getting that ALOT too pitriss
16:24 Exio4          i guess you meant "a LOT"?
16:25 Exio4          or is alot valid now?
16:25 Peacock        plenty of people say alot
16:25 Exio4          yes, lots of people use facebook
16:25 Exio4          facebook is shit too
16:25 Exio4          next argument for writing like my ass?
16:26 Peacock        get some coffee or get layed
16:26 pitriss        Peacock: and did you find any solution except trying until it connects you?
16:26 Peacock        if youre gonna be pissy why chat
16:26 Peacock        pitriss i had to wait for the timeout message in my terminal to be able to reconnect
16:27 pitriss        Peacock: ok..:)
16:29 Peacock        in any case no one seems to know why so many players cant connect now :/
16:29 Exio4          try to make an useful bugreport
16:29 Exio4          and get what is wrong, and since when
16:30 Exio4          (what is wrong => what 'code' is failing)
16:30 Peacock        'failed to emerge player', its been documented in the past, its happening almost constantly now
16:30 Exio4          oh, that?
16:30 Peacock        i built from the latest git as of this morning
16:31 Peacock        as for bug reports ill leave that to the pros, my last one was closed with no resolution
16:32 Exio4          i never was able to reproduce it in any way
16:33 Peacock        my last bug report or this one?
16:34 Exio4          this one
16:34 Exio4          your last one was the rainbow lights, no?
16:34 Peacock        no, the liquids not flowing into airlike nodes
16:36 Peacock        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/828
16:36 Peacock        as for players being unable to connect, i can't reproduce it on demand either, it just happens with 3/4's of people who try to come onto my server
17:02 Peacock        weirdness: when i startup minetest (on server tab) maps dont show up until i switch tabs and come back
17:03 ShadowNinja    Calinou: Bug? http://imgur.com/OIKuaYk.png
17:03 Evergreen      No, that isn't a bug
17:03 Evergreen      I looked at the texture files
17:03 Calinou        ShadowNinja: if you're talking about sides visible between nodes, this is unfixable.
17:03 Calinou        the texture is split in 4, this is intended
17:04 Calinou        (you can use it to make cool-looking stuff :P)
17:15 PenguinDad     Calinou: bug or easteregg https://github.com/Calinou/maptools/blob/master/aliases.lua#L89 ?
17:15 Calinou        bug O_o
17:17 Peacock        lol grass_u
17:17 Peacock        i think grass is uk slang for ratting someone out lol
17:25 hmmmm          anarchy in the UK!
17:25 Peacock        heard it on Rocknrolla lol
17:26 sokomine       btw, is there a way to call a function in a mod after all other mods have been loaded? (specificly their node definitions). i know i can use minetest.after, but it's difficult to guess the right timing
17:26 Peacock        depends on the function i guess?
17:27 sokomine       the right time is "after the nodes from all mods have been registered". and the why is: to see if a particular node exists/has on_generated defined
17:27 Peacock        minetest.after(0 ...) should work for that
17:28 sokomine       need that in the second mod now. for the colormachine, i did minetest.after
17:28 Peacock        ui does/did the same
17:28 sokomine       hm. is 0 safe enough?
17:28 Peacock        should be called after everything else yeah
17:28 Peacock        if not try 0.1
17:28 sokomine       ok :-)
17:32 sokomine       oh. compiled newest version, and the font is now so small i can barely make it out. how do i enlarge it?
17:32 Peacock        that i can't help you with :/
17:33 ShadowNinja    I beleive all nodes ahve to be registered durring the initial run of the mod, after 0 runs it on the first globalstep.
17:33 ShadowNinja    sokomine: Check minetest.conf.example, something like font_size
17:38 PenguinDad     !seen Jeija
17:38 MinetestBot    PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen jeija around.
17:38 iqualfragile   yes, he is gon for quite a while now…
17:38 iqualfragile   maybee he is taking a bath?
17:39 Peacock        he got a sex change and moved to south america after robbing a few banks :p
17:39 PenguinDad     Peacock: that's possible
17:40 Peacock        as good a theory as any :p
17:40 sokomine       hm, i get only "WARNING: Font file was not found. Using default font." not sure if i've compiled ttf support in or forgot a lib
17:41 sokomine       usually i use a more readable, larger font (a fixed one iirc...)
17:52 ShadowNinja    sfan5: Can you fix //copy, //move and any other commands that use schematics or set_node instead of LuaVoxelManip? There are actually a few versions of //copy that override each other...
17:59 sokomine       hmm. most urgent now is the far too smal font that's difficult to read. setting font_size to a larger value (i.e. 24 for testing) does not seem to change anything. how do i check if freetype is compiled in?
18:00 PenguinDad     sokomine: windows user?
18:00 sokomine       no, linux
18:00 PenguinDad     then compile minetest yourself
18:01 sokomine       that's what i always do
18:03 PenguinDad     cmake . -DENABLE_FREETYPE=ON
18:03 LazyJ          or
18:03 LazyJ          cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1
18:03 LazyJ          That works for me, at least.
18:04 sokomine       ah, ok, some freetypes libs seems to be missing. does anyone know offhand how the packages are called in debian?
18:04 LazyJ          I've been having trouble getting VanessaE 's fonts to work atm
18:05 sokomine       same here. i use them as well. during the latest pull, they got renamed/moved
18:05 PenguinDad     sokomine: something like libfreetype*-dev
18:05 sokomine       any reason for using gettext?
18:05 LazyJ          Her post on the forums has the file names separated with underscores.
18:06 PenguinDad     sokomine: no
18:06 LazyJ          The png file names aren't separated, but even that typo-fix didn't do it.
18:06 LazyJ          I throw it in there just to be thorough.
18:07 sokomine       yes, strange. i liked that font. it had some issues with formspecs and was sometimes not adjusted correctly. i'll try with ttf now
18:07 * LazyJ        looks for his pair of duct-taped-together magnifying glasses to wear.
18:08 sokomine       :-)
18:08 sokomine       my screen is too far away for that tiny font as well
18:08 Calinou        mese glasses!
18:09 LazyJ          Hehehe...
18:09 Peacock        mese asses - for buns of steel
18:09 Calinou        balls of mese
18:09 Peacock        lol
18:09 LazyJ          Calinou, is Misa still the most complete texture pack (support the most mods)?
18:09 * sokomine     looks at them and wanders on
18:10 Calinou        LazyJ: no, HDX is likely to have better support
18:10 Calinou        but misa has a decent amount of mods
18:10 LazyJ          Aye, one of the reasons I stick with Misa is the support.
18:11 LazyJ          Is HDX going to be the tp you will maintain the most now?
18:11 Exio4          HDX is VanessaE's
18:11 sokomine       hmm. any tree experts here?
18:11 * sokomine     is looking for a suitable Dorflinde (a tree found in the center of villages)
18:14 LazyJ          Hmm... photo-realistic tp's don't seem to fit well with Minetest, at least in my opinion.
18:14 sokomine       oh, yes, fine! thank you. works now with ttf-fonts compiled in. i can read the font again!
18:15 LazyJ          Minetest is surreal, not quite real-life.
18:15 sokomine       lazyj: hm, yes. i think i like that approach of (was it bas080?): use more detailled textures for rarer/more complex to craft nodes
18:15 LazyJ          Misa seems to be a better fit for me. ;)
18:15 Exio4          i don't like HDX in a blocky world either :P
18:16 sokomine       the homedecor furniture is very fine with detailled graphics, and technic machines also look good with high resolution
18:16 LazyJ          I've seen tp's that look too smooth, too plastic-like.
18:16 LazyJ          Exio4, agreed. In a blocky world, blocky imagery fits.
18:17 LazyJ          But to each their own.
18:17 Exio4          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5355
18:17 PenguinDad     Exio4: yeah i like that TP
18:18 LazyJ          Ah, yes, Paramat's textures. I saw those in the canyon/chasm/landup series.
18:18 LazyJ          Minetoon was another one that caught my interest.
18:18 LazyJ          But I found myself always coming back to Misa.
18:18 Exio4          that TP is amazing and is "only" 16x
18:18 LazyJ          Again, to each their own.
18:19 sokomine       those hand-drawn images are also fine. they have their own style. havn't really tried them yet (i usually stick to default because that's where my houses have to look well) but it's an intresting texture pack
18:19 LazyJ          Misa seems to be the right blend of "blocky" and HD without being photo-realistic. Props, Calinou. :)
18:20 Calinou        I didn't draw it
18:20 Exio4          it is a convertion
18:20 LazyJ          But you did convert it, and adapt it to support many MT mods. ;)
18:22 LazyJ          Anyway, I'm back to battling with fonts. :/
18:22 sokomine       at least for me the battle was won! except that it's a bit too large now
18:23 LazyJ          sokomine, where you able to get VanessaE 's fonts to work?
18:23 sokomine       no. but i got the default ones to get large enough to get well readable
18:24 LazyJ          Bummer.
18:25 LazyJ          Ok, I'll recompile and go back to the freetype for the time being.
18:26 mh0            <Calinou> I didn't draw it
18:27 mh0            I know you only draw clop
18:27 mh0            :/
18:28 Calinou        ._.
18:28 Calinou        no u
18:28 mh0            yes me
18:29 PenguinDad     maybe they
18:29 Exio4          mh0 is the one who knows about that stuff
18:29 Exio4          he is the expert at the rule34 about MLP
18:29 mh0            surely
18:30 mh0            from looking at other channels, Exio is also very knowledgeable of this r34 MLP
18:30 mh0            he appears to be adept in searching it
18:32 Exio4          i prefer real porn
18:32 Exio4          :>
18:39 sdzen          greetings people of #minetest (shameless advertisement) me and ray8888 are testing darkroses minetest-classic client to see if running a server on windows is stable please visit zenoheld.minetest.net:30001 to aid in our efforts
18:42 LazyJ          sdzen, is a 0.3.0 build required to connect (old MT??) ?
18:46 Peacock        i think you need darkroses' minetest classic build yeah, since theyve made a number ofchanges
18:54 GNADev|zRokh   hi
18:54 GNADev|zRokh   i just installed linux :D
18:55 PenguinDad     G'Day GNADev|zRokh
18:55 GNADev|zRokh   guess what distro :D
18:55 PenguinDad     Archlinux?
18:55 GNADev|zRokh   nope :D
18:55 GNADev|zRokh   !hint: 0 votes
18:56 GNADev|zRokh   oh, you dont know the vote :D
18:56 PenguinDad     Trisquel
18:56 GNADev|zRokh   yeah!
18:56 GNADev|zRokh   :D
18:56 GNADev|zRokh   how did you know?
18:57 PenguinDad     only guessing
18:57 GNADev|zRokh   LIAR!!!
18:57 GNADev|zRokh   :D
18:57 GNADev|zRokh   ok, whos up for some Minetest?
19:01 GNADev|zRokh   PenguinDad, wanna play?
19:02 LazyJ          sokomine, I just tried a couple other ttf fonts.
19:03 LazyJ          DejaVuSansCondensed-Bold.ttf seems to be a good replacement for Vanessa's fonts in the meantime.
19:03 Exio4          wut?
19:03 LazyJ          Have to specify in the minetest.conf.
19:03 VanessaE       LazyJ: are you using a recent git build?
19:03 LazyJ          VanessaE, yup.
19:03 Exio4          you can use freetype = false and set the font to VanessaE's
19:03 VanessaE       I updated the install instructions early this morning
19:04 LazyJ          Aye, saw the change.
19:04 PenguinDad     GNADev|zRokh: my internet connection is to bad today
19:04 LazyJ          The font names don't have underscores separating them (unless you've change the font file names).
19:04 VanessaE       that change only works if you're using today's latest git
19:04 PenguinDad     WB PilzAdam
19:04 VanessaE       and yeah, I've already changed *that* also
19:04 LazyJ          2013_08_04
19:04 PilzAdam       thx
19:05 LazyJ          I tried compiling with and without freetype.
19:05 VanessaE       what commit ID?
19:05 LazyJ          Still no go.
19:05 LazyJ          Uh, oh.  Where do I find the commit ID?
19:06 LazyJ          Lot of numbers?
19:06 VanessaE       beats me, maybe the filename of the zip you downloaded
19:06 LazyJ          Your font commit or MT commit?
19:06 VanessaE       MT
19:07 LazyJ          Hmm.... when I download I get 'minetest-master.zip'
19:07 VanessaE       hm
19:07 Jordach        https://github.com/minetest/minetest
19:07 LazyJ          Fix crack overlay for animated textures is the last addition.
19:07 VanessaE       that's the latest all right
19:07 Jordach        just beated Halo 4
19:07 LazyJ          I download from Github
19:07 PilzAdam       god this signature is annyoing: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=6589
19:08 LazyJ          Hehehe... at least it's not my signature. :)-
19:08 VanessaE       I suggest re-checking your installation steps, you have to have missed something,.
19:08 LazyJ          Will gettext cause a problem?
19:08 VanessaE       shouldn't.
19:08 Jordach        as a moderator; i can solve that
19:08 jin_xi         luckily you can disable sigs
19:09 LazyJ          This is the cmake I use:
19:09 LazyJ          cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1
19:09 VanessaE       did you do,  freetype=false in minetest.conf?
19:09 LazyJ          Minus the "-DENABLE_FREETYPE=1" part.
19:09 VanessaE       that supposedly doesn't matter :)
19:09 LazyJ          Yup, freetype=false in minetest.conf
19:10 LazyJ          sokomine has had the same trouble.
19:10 VanessaE       ~/.minetest/minetest.conf -->  font_path = /home/lazyj/.minetest/fonts/font_dejavu_sans.png
19:10 LazyJ          I noticed MT said it was looking for the fonts in ../textures after I compiled it and ran it unaltered the first time.
19:11 VanessaE       well run-in-place = 1
19:11 VanessaE       so,
19:11 LazyJ          Yup, file path is correct, except for the underscores.
19:11 VanessaE       /home/lazyj/minetest-master/minetest.conf -->  font_path = /home/lazyj/minetest-master/fonts/font_dejavu_sans.png
19:11 LazyJ          I downloaded your fonts about a month ago, any changes since?
19:11 VanessaE       yes, they've since been renamed.
19:12 LazyJ          Ah.
19:12 VanessaE       the names you use in minetest.conf must exactly match the filenames.
19:12 LazyJ          I change the path to match the filenames I currently have.
19:12 LazyJ          I didn't see an "update" in the posts header so I assumed the font png's hadn't changed.
19:13 VanessaE       only the filenames changed, and I changed my install instructions to accommodate
19:13 VanessaE       so if you copied my install instructions exactly, you'll have to rename your downloaded files to match
19:13 LazyJ          Ok, so I have the same bitmap font files (just a name change).
19:13 VanessaE       yeah
19:13 LazyJ          * so I do have
19:14 LazyJ          I'm downloading a fresh copy of the font files and will recompile a fresh MT.
19:14 VanessaE       and you're putting your config lines into minetest.conf inside the source code folder?
19:14 VanessaE       (not minetest.conf.example)
19:15 LazyJ          Correct.  ../minetest/minetest.conf
19:16 VanessaE       mmh
19:16 VanessaE       I dunno what's wrong then
19:16 LazyJ          I have a heavily edited/added minetest.conf file with notes to myself.
19:16 VanessaE       either the files aren't where they need to be, or the .conf isn't :)
19:16 VanessaE       or the filenames don't match the config lines
19:16 LazyJ          The other changes I've added to the minetest.conf occur, so it's the one.
19:17 VanessaE       also, I use full absolute paths in the config
19:17 VanessaE       never relative (../etc)
19:18 LazyJ          Same here:   /home/lazyj/minetest/minetest.conf  etc
19:18 LazyJ          I've been fiddling with other ttf and the changes I make in the minetest.conf file are reflected in MT.
19:19 VanessaE       can you pastebin your .conf and the output of `find ./ -name "font*.png" `
19:19 LazyJ          Even tried an arabic, sanscrit font just to be sure. Yup, it worked. Worms on the MT tabs. :)
19:19 VanessaE       (run the latter from within /home/lazyj )
19:20 LazyJ          Where does that last command go?  The terminal aimed at ../minetest folder?
19:21 LazyJ          Ahk... run the latter from within /home/lazyj
19:21 LazyJ          Ok, give me a few minutes to compile and gather.
19:23 VanessaE       ok
19:24 LazyJ          With or without gettex and freetype?
19:24 VanessaE       with freetype compiled in
19:24 LazyJ          Ok
19:24 VanessaE       gettext shouldn't matter (that's for translations isn't it?)
19:25 LazyJ          I'm not sure. I've been waiting for my MT to stop saying "invalid multi-string" whenever a non-english person chats or writes a sign.
19:26 LazyJ          In the IRC client the chat appears blank, on the signs MT replaces whatever was written with the invalid multi-byte string or something like that.
19:26 Jordach        TIL i'm a person who doesnt update
19:27 VanessaE       weird
19:30 VanessaE       bbl
19:42 PilzAdam       Jordach, just ban him: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104009#p104009
19:45 PenguinDad     PilzAdam: i totally agree
19:56 sdzen          I think that guy needs the hammer :)
19:57 * Calinou      hands sdzen a Powerjack
20:04 LazyJ          VanessaE, when you see this: finished recompiling and installed newly downloaded bitmap fonts.
20:05 LazyJ          Added the bitmap fonts (and corresponding lines to minetest.conf) as the only alteration.
20:05 LazyJ          And they worked.
20:05 LazyJ          Then I started adding my other alterations one-by-one and the bitmap fonts continued to work in MT>
20:06 LazyJ          *.
20:06 LazyJ          sokomine was having the same trouble so I wonder if she too was using the older font download.
20:06 LazyJ          If that was the gremlin.
20:07 LazyJ          Out of all of this I did learn a new font trick in MT. This will expand the text/font options for other players.
20:08 LazyJ          Some may prefer serif fonts.
20:08 LazyJ          Some may prefer more cartoonish fonts (to go with Minetoon tp).
20:08 LazyJ          Others, like me, are wanting thicker-stroked fonts for better readability.
20:09 LazyJ          The copy right issues involving ttf fonts is a matter for the players to deal with (wink, wink).
20:09 LazyJ          The "how to" is free information.
20:10 Evergreen      If you want better readability, use VanessaE's custome font
20:11 Evergreen      *custom
20:11 Jordach        sdzen, ro-tate! ro-tate your owls!
20:11 Evergreen      Lol, I saw that post
20:11 sdzen          :)
20:11 Jordach        PilzAdam, point him at the tutorial and lua-api.txt
20:11 LazyJ          Evergreen, that's what I have been using, but today's daily-build compile fubared them.
20:11 sdzen          "The maximum image size allowed is 60x60 pixels and 10,240 bytes (10 KB)." am I the only one who doesnt understand this limit?
20:12 Evergreen      Epic quotes of 2013:   sdzen,  "To make a minetest mod, rotate an owl several times.   That is all you need to do."
20:12 PilzAdam       Jordach, no, I simply ignore such posts now
20:13 LazyJ          So I chatted with Vanessa, and downloaded every thing fresh.
20:13 Jordach        hold the fuck on
20:13 LazyJ          Then instead of dumping in all my alterations at once (like I usually do) I put things in one at time and her fonts worked.
20:14 ShadowNinja    sokomine: .../travelnet/init.lua:391: attempt to index a nil value -- I think door_node is unknown, and therefore not in minetest.registered_nodes.
20:15 sdzen          Pilzadam: at least count yourself lucky images are not allowed in signatures :)
20:19 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/iSV1jYp.png
20:19 Jordach        someone go post that
20:19 Jordach        if my name is said i'll remove it </taking the piss>
20:20 Calinou        imgur has a meme generator now?
20:20 Jordach        yus
20:20 PilzAdam       Jordach, what if I PM him this?
20:20 Jordach        it's been there for ~1 month
20:20 Jordach        PilzAdam, sure
20:21 PilzAdam       with your name
20:21 * Jordach      slaps PilzAdam
20:22 Jordach        PilzAdam, you PM that with my name and i delete the image
20:22 PilzAdam       I reupload it and point to these logs
20:22 Jordach        going going gone
20:26 PenguinDad     shit haven't seen it :/
20:28 sdzen          jordach I think someone posted it
20:29 Jordach        i know it's you sdzen
20:29 Jordach        your IP matches
20:29 sdzen          wasnt trying to hide it :)
20:30 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/gU6BEao.png
20:30 Jordach        banned and deleted
20:31 Calinou        WTF?
20:31 PilzAdam       Jordach, ummm
20:31 Calinou        Jordach: I wouldn't ban people just because they have bad spelling/english/are hyperactive
20:31 PilzAdam       why do you ban that account?
20:31 * Jordach      doesnt like trolls who look like me
20:31 Calinou        oh, I thought you were talking about that "GGA BOOK" guy
20:31 Calinou        also: windows fonts are ugly. :3
20:32 Jordach        i can live with that
20:32 * Jordach      uses consolas for IRC
20:32 Jordach        yes, the i cant believe it's not DoS Console text
20:33 sokomine       shadowninja: hm, the travelnets with the doors ought to function fine. havn't run into that issue
20:47 GNADev|zRokh   install = sudo apt-get install
20:48 GNADev|zRokh   oh, i got it, its remove :D\
20:48 iqualfragile   GNADev|zRokh: 3.1 is outdated like fück, assuming you are using ubuntu: use thishttps://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages
20:48 Calinou        0.3.1 you mean
20:49 GNADev|zRokh   trisquel-mini (trisquel with LXDE)
20:49 Calinou        trisquel? well, enjoy your lack of firmware
20:49 GNADev|zRokh   what?
20:49 GNADev|zRokh   o.O
20:49 PenguinDad     3.1 is the newest minetest :D
20:49 Calinou        you went for trisquel even though it had 0 votes
20:49 Calinou        you are supposed to follow the votes you were given...
20:49 * GNADev|zRokh thinks PenguinDad is too smart to be here
20:49 Calinou        else, why make a poll :P
20:50 GNADev|zRokh   check the last answer maybe?
20:50 GNADev|zRokh   o.O
20:51 sfan5          "proller >> Mod Helper" http://www.crevis.net/about.html
20:52 sfan5          ^ wat?
20:52 GNADev|zRokh   how do i unzip a .zip?
20:53 GNADev|zRokh   it doenst open it
20:53 Jordach        sudo apt-get install file-roller
20:53 sfan5          GNADev|zRokh: use google before you fucking ask
20:53 Calinou        unzip filename.zip
20:53 Calinou        :p
20:53 Calinou        sfan5: be nice to people
20:54 sfan5          No, not today
20:54 Calinou        also, people don't like googling
20:54 Calinou        that's a fact :P
20:54 PilzAdam       "Free to play and download!" "5$ to get the pre-release"
20:54 sfan5          if you don't like googling use duckduckgo
20:54 Calinou        the releases are free
20:54 iqualfragile   why the fork is somebody unable to unzip a file using trisquel?
20:54 sfan5          PilzAdam: yeah, noticed that too
20:54 Calinou        iqualfragile: dark non-free magic.exe
20:54 PilzAdam       note that this is illegal
20:54 sokomine       what's trisquel?
20:55 Calinou        a free distro
20:55 GNADev|zRokh   !g trisquel unzip xarchiver error
20:55 ShadowBot      GNADev|zRokh: http://distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=partedmagic
20:55 iqualfragile   debian -properitary
20:55 iqualfragile   sokomine: ↑
20:55 sokomine       ah! thanks for the info
20:55 Calinou        iqualfragile: proprietarioty!
20:55 Calinou        that is how you spell "proprietary" ;)
20:55 PilzAdam       GNADev|zRokh, stop using the bot in this channel for personal searches
20:55 GNADev|zRokh   can i /msg?
20:56 sokomine       perhaps apt-get install unzip might help in that case
20:56 Calinou        I'd disable !g entirely to non-ops, that'd maybe help, PilzAdam
20:56 PilzAdam       ^ ShadowNinja, sfan5
20:56 Jordach        or just a simple blacklist of function barred to certain users
20:56 sfan5          Calinou: nah
20:56 * Jordach      suggests people who can !op get that priv
20:57 Calinou        it's abused more often that it is used
20:57 jin_xi         op op oppan gangnam style
20:57 PilzAdam       sfan5, "Crevis uses the Minetest engine for a basic structure of the game" this is also not very accurate, it uses all other parts of Minetest too
20:57 PilzAdam       minetest_game and stuff
20:57 GNADev|zRokh   i used duckduckgo, input =  "how to unzip an archive in trisquel"; output = http://www.trisquel.info
20:57 GNADev|zRokh   WTF :D
20:57 Calinou        well, very few people use trisquel
20:57 jin_xi         duckduckgo is useless
20:57 GNADev|zRokh   :D
20:57 Calinou        no u
20:57 jin_xi         lol
20:57 GNADev|zRokh   anyways.....
20:57 Calinou        I still prefer startpage, yea
20:57 Jordach        it's like THEBOGGAMAN77
20:58 Jordach        i just turned the burn setting to 999
20:58 Jordach        9*
20:59 Evergreen      0_o,
20:59 Evergreen      Don't EVER SAY THAt about DuckDuckgo again
21:00 * Jordach      passes a kidney stone
21:00 Jordach        that hurt. (not literal)
21:00 * GNADev|zRokh is converting .zip to .tar.bz2
21:00 GNADev|zRokh   :P
21:00 Calinou        why?
21:00 jin_xi         wut
21:00 GNADev|zRokh   :D
21:00 sdzen          why not
21:00 sfan5          perfect! LGPL v2.1 allows people to sell the software in executeable form (actually it doesn't forbid it)
21:00 sokomine       if he likes it....
21:00 GNADev|zRokh   exactly :D
21:00 Calinou        sfan5: they can't sell the game with misa pack
21:01 Calinou        misa disallows commercial use of her pack
21:01 sfan5          Calinou: thats right
21:01 Jordach        the mods probably dont allow commercial either
21:01 sfan5          but why don't we disallow commercial use of minetest?
21:01 GNADev|zRokh   but why should they
21:01 GNADev|zRokh   .-.
21:01 Calinou        why should we? minetest is FOSS
21:01 Calinou        Jordach: most mods do
21:01 jin_xi         ikd i dont mind crevis selling prereleases
21:02 Jordach        if they can't even compile minetest they wont make it far
21:02 PilzAdam       sfan5, but you have to proved a source download
21:02 Jordach        just make a fucking game
21:02 sfan5          PilzAdam: yeah, which they haven't done
21:04 sfan5          and they use mediafire for file hosting(even though they have a weebly site) with DLs with f**king 25 KB/s
21:04 * Jordach      growls
21:04 Jordach        started webradio: first thing heard is an ad
21:04 Jordach        fuck me right
21:04 GNADev|zRokh   omfg......... >:(
21:04 Calinou        <webradio> no, fuck you wrong
21:05 Jordach        sfan5, you might be having a shitty connection: i get 400 kb/s from MF
21:05 sfan5          Jordach: I have an 1.0MB/s connection
21:05 * Jordach      has 8.0MB/s
21:06 Jordach        it usually sits about 6.7MB/s during peak
21:06 * GNADev|zRokh has 800kb/s down, ?kb/s up
21:06 Jordach        within the next ~5 years; fibre should be coming
21:07 ShadowNinja    I am getting 0.1MB/s. This should be a LOT faster.
21:07 ShadowNinja    Hah, the minetest zip finished in <1s.
21:08 PenguinDad     ShadowNinja: i get the same
21:08 PilzAdam       PenguinDad, hm?
21:09 Jordach        i already have that piece of crap sitting in C:/Users/Jordach/Downloads
21:09 PenguinDad     o_O
21:09 PenguinDad     PilzAdam: what is your problem?
21:10 PilzAdam       <Jordach> i already have that piece of crap sitting in C:\Windows\
21:10 PilzAdam       PenguinDad, no problem here
21:10 Jordach        PilzAdam, lol
21:13 GNADev|zRokh   how do i start the terminal emulator here, not xTerm?
21:14 PilzAdam       GNADev|zRokh, there is a mod for that
21:14 sfan5          GNADev|zRokh: don't use something you don't know how to use
21:14 Jordach        ctrl + shft + t
21:14 GNADev|zRokh   it dont work........
21:15 GNADev|zRokh   ok nevermind.....
21:16 GNADev|zRokh   ugh, one more thing..... i promise this is the last thing....how do i compile it again? dont give me a link, tell me how...
21:16 Semilevel      :|
21:17 Semilevel      I want to mingw32
21:17 Semilevel      Google it.
21:18 Semilevel      'how do I compile minetest'
21:18 GNADev|zRokh   !g how do I compile minetest
21:18 ShadowBot      GNADev|zRokh: http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:19 GNADev|zRokh   !ping
21:19 ShadowBot      pong
21:19 GNADev|zRokh   :D
21:19 PilzAdam       GNADev|zRokh, stop abusing the bot
21:19 GNADev|zRokh   stop abusing me :D
21:19 PenguinDad     !ping PenguinDad
21:19 ShadowBot      pong
21:19 Jordach        !op
21:19 ShadowBot      Jordach: Error: You don't have the #minetest,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:19 GNADev|zRokh   ping
21:19 Jordach        dammit MinetestBot!
21:19 PilzAdam       !op Jordach
21:20 GNADev|zRokh   plz no
21:20 Jordach        GNADev|zRokh, ^
21:20 GNADev|zRokh   no plz, i fan
21:20 PilzAdam       Jordach, banhammer
21:20 Jordach        PilzAdam*
21:20 Jordach        hitting in 10 seconds
21:20 * Jordach      glues it shut
21:21 * Jordach      also knows where MinetestBot is
21:21 sfan5          ShadowBot: stfu
21:21 ShadowBot      sfan5: Error: You don't have the #minetest,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:21 PilzAdam       hm? why do you keep that !*GNADev|zR ?
21:21 sfan5          ShadowBot: goddamnit
21:21 PilzAdam       sfan5, MinetestBot is not here
21:21 ShadowNinja    !channel capability add sfan5 op
21:21 ShadowBot      ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
21:21 sfan5          ShadowBot: stfu
21:21 ShadowBot      sfan5: Error: You don't have the #minetest,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:21 sfan5          what the fuck
21:21 ShadowNinja    sfan5: Identify.
21:22 Semilevel      !g sexual encounters in space
21:22 ShadowBot      Semilevel: http://www.space.com/5594-worse-sex-space-inevitable.html
21:22 sfan5          ShadowBot: stfu
21:22 ShadowBot      sfan5: The operation succeeded.
21:23 Jordach        Semilevel, they will kick you too
21:23 Semilevel      I just used the !g command once.
21:23 * Jordach      found minetestbot: http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/295/sadbot.png
21:24 sfan5          Jordach: where is the flower?
21:24 Jordach        on the other side
21:24 Jordach        (it's on the left not right)
21:24 Jordach        http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/294/mtbot.png
21:24 Jordach        ^ there it is with voxel extrusions
21:25 Jordach        (i actually have a template model for these models)
21:25 Jordach        the hat layer isnt in cube form until i extrude it
21:25 sfan5          Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/f6LvAI9.png
21:26 Jordach        sfan5, look in /games/
21:26 Jordach        DUN DUN DURR
21:26 sfan5          a .rar archive x(
21:26 Jordach        it's minetest_game
21:27 Jordach        http://http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
21:27 Jordach        you can press it
21:28 Exio4          hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.com
21:28 Exio4          ;D
21:28 Exio4          :D *
21:28 sfan5          [...]/minetest_game/mods/bluestone is full of mesecons_* things
21:28 ShadowNinja    /crevis/crevis/crevis2.2/crevis/ <-- Not enough folder depth ;-)
21:28 Jordach        crevis MUST GO DEEPER
21:29 sfan5          "[...]/minetest_game/mods/calinou_mods-master/"
21:29 Jordach        DUN DUN DURR
21:29 sfan5          they didn't even rename the folder
21:29 Jordach        okay, i need that to be a user command
21:30 Jordach        there is now a user list button that does: "DUN DUN DURR"
21:30 ShadowNinja    ...mods/calinou_mods-master
21:30 Jordach        and i thought I WAS LAZY
21:31 ShadowNinja    mods/canyon <-- Enjoy your molasis mapgen.
21:32 ShadowNinja    Also landup and volcano...
21:32 ShadowNinja    ...and walking_light.
21:32 sfan5          and these people call them a company
21:32 sfan5          also:"Crevis uses the Minetest engine for a basic structure of the game"
21:33 Jordach        heres what crevis are: http://krautchan.net/files/1375736684001.jpg
21:33 sfan5          THATS NOT A BASIC FUCKING STRUCTURE!!
21:33 Jordach        sfan5.rage(self, true)
21:33 sfan5          "Korie Harvey >> Director of Logical Ideas"
21:33 * Jordach      lols
21:33 Jordach        this gets better and better
21:33 sfan5          ^ WHAT THE F**K, NOTHING THEY DO IS LOGICAL
21:33 * Jordach      sits down and eats popcorn
21:34 sfan5          "Timothy Suwityarat (xLOLxTSNOOPS) >> Web Moderator, Texture Designer, Compiler, Game Tester"
21:34 sfan5          ^ yeah, sure
21:34 sfan5          as if they compiled something
21:34 PilzAdam       "Compiler"
21:34 PilzAdam       I thought they'd use mingw or MSVC
21:34 sfan5          seriously, who has put this bird poop in their brains?
21:34 Jordach        it's *not* like you could have used BlockMen's sfan5, PilzAdam's or Fess' builds
21:35 * Jordach      likes sfan5 angry
21:35 PilzAdam       ^
21:36 Exio4          sfan5, poor bird poop
21:36 sfan5          "Texture Designer" "Textures Developer" "Artist"
21:36 sfan5          ^ wut
21:36 Jordach        s/bird poop/STUPID SHIT
21:36 PilzAdam       he is also the creator of textures
21:36 sfan5          Exio4: EXACTLY, I'M FEELING SORRY FOR THE BIRD POOP
21:36 Exio4          haha
21:36 sfan5          maybe I should .lower() my messages
21:37 Jordach        nah
21:37 Jordach        i actually like it
21:37 PilzAdam       sfan5, PM him in the forum and say that his "project" is illegal
21:37 * Jordach      is actually physically laughing
21:37 * sfan5        is physically raging
21:37 Exio4          Jordach: when i wrote "haha" i was laughing irl too :>
21:37 sfan5          AND THE NICKNAMES; LOOK AT THEM
21:37 sfan5          FPSxAMERICA
21:38 Semilevel      !g marlon.ws
21:38 sfan5          xLOLxTSNOOPS
21:38 Exio4          and well, i'm liking this too .. should i feel bad?
21:38 Exio4          sfan5: xLOLx
21:38 sfan5          CaptionZombies12
21:38 * Jordach      sniggers
21:38 PilzAdam       xxxXXXxxXXxXXxxXXx<<<<<<<<PilzAdamPROGAMER>>>>>>>>>>><xxxxXXXXXxxxxxXXxx
21:38 PilzAdam       thats my new nick
21:38 sfan5          ^
21:38 Semilevel      !g special needs for minetest
21:38 Exio4          you missed an Y
21:38 Jordach        i read that as PilzAdamProgrammer
21:38 sfan5          xxxXX<ZombieSlayer>sfan5[PrOgAmEr]XXxxx
21:39 Exio4          i have a super-cool nick for this
21:39 sfan5          ARE THESE GUYS 12 YEAR
21:39 sfan5          S OLD?
21:39 Jordach        **
21:39 Exio4          no, i guess they are 1.2
21:39 Jordach        fixed ;)
21:39 Exio4          :>
21:40 sfan5          "Andrew Warner >> Helper "
21:40 PilzAdam       sfan5, they havent seen an uterus (yet)
21:40 PilzAdam       but coming really sooon (TM)
21:40 sfan5          ^ they don't need any help, they're dumb already
21:40 sfan5          PilzAdam: yeah, sooooooon(TM)
21:40 Jordach        [off] we should be prepending messages so they cant read them
21:40 PilzAdam       sfan5> "Andrew Warner >> Helper " <- its probably his father
21:41 Exio4          [off] how does this work [/off]
21:41 Exio4          :P
21:41 Jordach        just [off] at the start
21:41 sfan5          Jordach: no we shouldn't
21:41 PilzAdam       Exio4, read the docs of loggingbot_
21:41 sfan5          [off] who likes kittens, hands up!
21:41 Exio4          oh
21:41 Jordach        [off] ME!
21:41 Exio4          didn't recall about the loggingbot
21:41 Jordach        meow
21:41 * sfan5        gifts a kitten to Jordach
21:41 NekoGloop      [off] meow
21:42 * sfan5        gifts a kitten to NekoGloop
21:42 * PilzAdam     puts his hand up and looks stupid in the logs now
21:42 hacker         THIS IS MY NEW NICK!
21:42 * sfan5        puts a kitten on hacker's head
21:42 PilzAdam       hay Exio4
21:42 Jordach        http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aBKYyLA_460s_v1.jpg
21:42 NekoGloop      sfan5, why did you ping me, I'm busy.
21:42 sfan5          NekoGloop: because I heard that you meowed silently
21:43 NekoGloop      You're insade
21:43 NekoGloop      insane
21:44 Jordach        fuck; can't meow like a cat tonight
21:44 Jordach        oh, there we go
21:44 sfan5          meow
21:44 * NekoGloop    [off] hisses at Jordach
21:45 sfan5          awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
21:45 NekoGloop      [off] AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw
21:46 Jordach        NekoGloop, it doesnt work for /me
21:46 NekoGloop      [off] does too
21:46 Jordach        [off] nope
21:46 sfan5          damnit where is MinetestBot, won't she come back?
21:46 NekoGloop      [off] go look
21:46 Jordach        sfan5, SIGTERM python
21:46 Jordach        you will need to kill her :(
21:46 sdzen          so what the hell is crevis?
21:47 PilzAdam       sdzen, poop
21:47 * Jordach      strokes beard: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103782#p103782
21:47 sfan5          sdzen: some minetest ripoff, all they did was install some mods and rename the executable to crevis.exe
21:47 * Jordach      wonders who that is
21:47 sfan5          and they want to sell a pre-release for $5
21:48 Jordach        my shit is worth more than $5
21:48 Exio4          lol sfan5
21:48 Exio4          didn't know that part
21:48 sfan5          Jordach: exactly
21:48 Jordach        lemme go shit in a bucket and sell it on ebay
21:48 Exio4          XD
21:49 sfan5          Jordach: I can buy it
21:49 Jordach        if it goes for more than $5 bucks; my shit is worth more than crevis
21:49 Jordach        and then i'll buy crevis to see how shit it is
21:49 Jordach        compared to my shit
21:49 sfan5          hahah
21:49 sfan5          (physically laughed)
21:49 PilzAdam       sdzen, and they frequently send e-mails to celeron and me asking to put the link at the top of our website
21:49 sdzen          so can we shut them down?
21:49 sdzen          or is it not possible?
21:50 jin_xi         well, its a game based on the minetest engine, so whats the trouble?
21:50 PilzAdam       they dont provide the sourcecode, which is illegal
21:50 sfan5          sdzen: only for not releasing the source code, but they used the official 0.4.7 executable IIRC
21:50 NekoGloop      What's their modlist?
21:50 PilzAdam       jin_xi, they dont advertise it as such
21:50 jin_xi         well, poke them about it... i dont think they have the source themselves...
21:50 Exio4          they added someone that is a "compiler"
21:50 Exio4          so i guess they at least know how to code batch and visual basic 6
21:51 PilzAdam       sfan5, is that MinetestBot real?
21:51 sfan5          PilzAdam: yep
21:51 Exio4          (myself 6~7 years ago :D)
21:51 sfan5          PilzAdam: try a whois
21:51 sfan5          * [MinetestBot] is logged in as MinetestBot
21:51 PilzAdam       Exio4, so you are 5 now?
21:51 * sfan5        's first programming language was Visual Basic
21:51 Exio4          fffffffffff
21:52 PilzAdam       mine was Java
21:52 sfan5          !c 0xfffffffffff
21:52 MinetestBot    1.7592186 × 10^(13)
21:52 sfan5          ^ Exio4
21:52 Exio4          lol
21:52 Jordach        !c 0xBIGB00B5
21:52 MinetestBot    Sorry, no result.
21:52 sfan5          NekoGloop: you mean /crevis/crevis/crevis/crevis2.2/crevis/games/minetest_game/mods/
21:52 PilzAdam       Jordach, sfan5, we should use "plol" for physically laughing
21:53 Jordach        plol
21:53 Exio4          i learned my first "skills" with VB6 & TP :P
21:53 sfan5          plol
21:53 Exio4          Turbo Pascal
21:53 NekoGloop      they can't even be bothered to rename the game?
21:53 sfan5          nope
21:53 Exio4          renaming is too hard NekoGloop
21:53 Jordach        /give Jordach bucket:full_of_shit
21:54 Jordach        lets sell this thing
21:54 * sfan5        buys a bucket full of shit from Jordach for $5.01
21:54 Jordach        plol
21:54 PilzAdam       canadian dollars?
21:54 Jordach        you cant even give your two cents; lol
21:55 sdzen          can we redirect the offtopic section of the forum to their forum?
21:55 * sdzen        hopes yes
21:55 sfan5          Jordach: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2876790581.png whats yours?
21:56 sfan5          sdzen: Yes we can!
21:56 Exio4          wtf
21:56 Exio4          > slower than the 56% of DE
21:57 Exio4          my connection is slower than the 99% of ARG
21:58 Jordach        http://www.speedtest.net/result/2568476190.png
21:58 sfan5          Jordach: holy shit
21:58 PilzAdam       sfan5, http://www.speedtest.net/result/2883083482.png
21:59 sfan5          sheet of paper*
21:59 Jordach        when i said 8.0MB/s, i didnt move the decimal forward
21:59 sfan5          PilzAdam: nice ;)
21:59 PilzAdam       seems like german internet sucks
21:59 sdzen          http://www.speedtest.net/result/2883085288.png
21:59 sdzen          smack
21:59 PilzAdam       "D-" its not an F \o/
21:59 sfan5          Jordach: there is a difference between MB and Mb
22:00 Jordach        fuck yeah: 17*C over here
22:00 Jordach        16*
22:00 jin_xi         how much is that in candies?
22:00 sfan5          somehow my dl speed is broken
22:00 PilzAdam       you mean °C ?
22:00 nalkri         s
22:00 Jordach        yus
22:01 Jordach        let's have a troll day where we do 1337 5p34k
22:01 sfan5          GODDAMNIT WHY IS MY INTERNET SO SLOW
22:02 kaeza          because crevis DDoS
22:02 Jordach        fun fact: my tower cant handle the 80 MB/s; it caps to 50 as my hardware cant take it
22:02 PilzAdam       sfan5, the plan: 1) host a speedtest server for speedtest.net 2) everyone will get slower and the average speed decreases a lot 3) .... 4) PROFIT!
22:02 Jordach        (the adapter is 100MB/s)
22:02 Jordach        PilzAdam, /n next time
22:02 * sdzen        smashes jordach's tower
22:03 PilzAdam       Jordach, dont you need \n\r ?
22:03 * Jordach      grabs sdzen by the throat
22:03 Jordach        your move
22:03 sfan5          PilzAdam: you need \r\n
22:03 * NekoGloop    chops Jordach in half
22:03 Exio4          sfan5: i don't even have one mbit/s of download
22:03 * Jordach      regenerates
22:03 sfan5          Exio4: nice
22:03 Exio4          http://www.speedtest.net/result/2568476190.png omg
22:03 sfan5          NekoGloop: http://ix.io/74X
22:04 Exio4          is that number legit?
22:04 Exio4          omg
22:04 Jordach        yus
22:04 PilzAdam       Exio4, you are slower than 102% of the rest of the world
22:04 Exio4          yeah
22:04 Jordach        iirc, that was on my iPad2
22:04 Jordach        if i tried a MT server; i'd fry the router from traffic
22:05 Jordach        (IT DID nearly happen when i hosted City Build 1)
22:05 PilzAdam       sfan5, I probably switch ISP, Kabel Deutschland sucks
22:06 Jordach        PilzAdam, you dont pay the bills
22:06 sfan5          PilzAdam, I probably switch ISP, Deutsche Telekom sucks
22:06 Jordach        TIL i can pay taxes; but im not forced to
22:06 Jordach        BLARG
22:07 sfan5          GRALB?
22:07 Jordach        why does Taoki[laptop]|aw's client NOT have CTCP TIME
22:07 Jordach        -Taoki[laptop]|aw- TIME Tue Aug 6 01:07:18 2013
22:07 Jordach        there it is
22:07 * Jordach      forgot i had a query open
22:07 Evergreen      mine is apparently 10.1 mb/s for downloading
22:07 VanessaE       hi all
22:07 sfan5          hi VanessaE
22:08 Evergreen      Hi VanessaE
22:08 Jordach        Faster Internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBQx6fk0VTY
22:08 Evergreen      Oh wow, I love troll physics
22:08 Evergreen      x)
22:09 Evergreen      I actually saw that already
22:09 Evergreen      That's right kids, painting racing stripes on your computer will make it faster!
22:10 sfan5          Evergreen: does that work with a laptop?
22:10 sdzen          my tower runs on ceilling cat
22:10 Evergreen      I suppose the spoiler would..
22:10 sfan5          ceilililililililing cat?
22:11 sfan5          oh..
22:11 sfan5          its time to sleep
22:11 sfan5          good night
22:11 PilzAdam       sfan5, have nice dreams of crevis
22:12 Evergreen      OH and jordach, I still don't like the lips
22:12 Evergreen      on you model
22:12 Evergreen      Everything else is great
22:12 sdzen          I posted a link to crevis on the facebook page of a bunch of nutjobs who want to overthrow the government, hopefully they do something
22:15 Jordach        does anyone else make a typo of RealBadAngel to RealBadAngle
22:15 RealBadAngel   hi
22:16 RealBadAngel   i saw it a few times already
22:16 RealBadAngel   quite annoying one ;)
22:16 Jordach        RealBadAngel, enjoy your alternate nick
22:16 * Exio4        slaps RealBadAngel with shaders
22:16 sdzen          that typo is, *puts on shades* real bad
22:17 Jordach        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q
22:17 RealBadAngel   exio4, say thx to ShadowNinja, im fighting technic rewrite atm
22:18 kaeza          someone also called himself FakeGoodDemon or something like that
22:18 kaeza          I think it was you-know-who trolling :P
22:18 RealBadAngel   hmmm used realgooddevil nick for fun ;)
22:19 sdzen          jordach listen to it with this in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPR5v3_tPCs
22:29 lordcirth      RealBadAngel, what are technic frames supposed to do?
22:30 * VanessaE     pokes RealBadAngel :)
22:30 VanessaE       lordcirth: they're used to move large structures around at the command of mesecons signals
22:31 lordcirth      VanessaE, like you build a frame around an object, then it will move the whole object?
22:31 VanessaE       something similar
22:31 VanessaE       the object must rest on or against the frame
22:31 NekoGloop      You build it with the frames in physical contact with what you want to move
22:31 VanessaE       the "motor" objects are what actually move the frames around
22:32 lordcirth      Cool.  So if there were an automatic drill block, you could make a stripminer like in mc's mods?
22:32 VanessaE       so a mesecons signal tells a motor to activate, it moves the frames it is in contact with, which moves all other frames that are in the same structure, and those move your objects around
22:32 VanessaE       precisely
22:32 sdzen          "Proller >> Minetest Dev.
22:32 sdzen          sfan5 >> Minetest Dev.
22:32 sdzen          kahlr >> Minetest Dev.
22:32 sdzen          proller >> Mod Helper"
22:33 sdzen          gotta love typos
22:33 Exio4          wut
22:33 lordcirth      You could make some pretty epic-sized doors and such too
22:33 sdzen          who invited the bot?
22:35 Exio4          sdzen: what typos?
22:36 sdzen          kahrl, :)
22:36 Exio4          oh
22:36 Exio4          rl lr
22:39 kahrl          Jede strikt diagonaldominante Matrix Kah laesst sich in Kah=LR zerlegen mit L untere, R obere Dreiecksmatrix.
22:41 sdzen          how enlightening kahrl
22:41 sdzen          :)
22:43 Exio4          wat kahrl
22:43 PilzAdam       Reelle, symmetrische, schwach diagonaldominante Matrizen mit nichtnegativen Diagonaleinträgen sind positiv semidefinit.
22:44 PilzAdam       dont even try google translator on that
22:46 jin_xi         Real, symmetric, weakly diagonally dominant matrices with non-negative diagonal entries are positive semidefinite.
22:46 PilzAdam       jin_xi translator works, though
22:46 GNADev|zRokh2  hi, i have a question about minetestbot.....
22:46 sdzen          it wasn't that hard pilzadam :)
22:46 GNADev|zRokh2  first of all, who's the creator, sfan5?
22:46 PilzAdam       GNADev|zRokh2, arent you banned?
22:46 jin_xi         lol
22:46 GNADev|zRokh2  ugh, plz no....
22:47 jin_xi         dont say yes no
22:47 GNADev|zRokh2  im working on a server
22:47 PilzAdam       GNADev|zRokh2, I ask you politely to leave now
22:47 Exio4          you are evading a ban
22:47 GNADev|zRokh2  please PilzAdam...
22:47 sdzen          I think it is time to act like angry gods and fuck him up
22:47 PilzAdam       apparently Jordach messed up the ban
22:48 GNADev|zRokh2  have mercy on me, oh please
22:48 sdzen          and yes sfan5 did make minetestbot IIRC
22:48 jin_xi         PilzAdam: that was google translator btw
22:48 sdzen          bad jin!
22:48 sdzen          I figured it out without it!
22:48 GNADev|zRokh2  does mtbot have !up?
22:48 sdzen          and I speak french!
22:49 sdzen          why don't you PM it and find out
22:49 GNADev|zRokh2  idk, is he on (i mean actually watching)
22:49 * sdzen        shoves GNADev|zRokh2 aside
22:49 GNADev|zRokh2  Ich bin beschäftigt
22:49 GNADev|zRokh2  PilzAdam, please translate
22:51 sdzen          do /msg MinetestBot !up IP PORT
22:52 GNADev|zRokh2  is it possible to ask minetestbot if a server is up vie PHP?
22:53 babyface1031   ? in farming_plus do you find seeds by hitting dirt with ahoe and digging jungle grass
22:53 PilzAdam       babyface1031, no
22:54 sdzen          grass
22:54 sdzen          si?
22:54 babyface1031   so just hitting grass with a hoe
22:54 PilzAdam       there is no valid way to get seeds from farming_plus currently
22:54 babyface1031   oh ok that is why i couldnt get any
22:54 hasufell       http://packages.gentoo.org/package/games-action/minetest
22:55 PilzAdam       hasufell, the homepage is minetest.net
22:55 GNADev|zRokh2  You know who's cute? Hitler .-.
22:56 PilzAdam       !op
22:57 kaeza          stupid
22:57 pitriss        PilzAdam: Nice shot:)
22:57 sdzen          GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAALL!
22:58 * kaeza        does /give sdzen soccer:ball
22:59 PilzAdam       hasufell, should I add that to minetest.net/downloads ?
22:59 hasufell       PilzAdam: you could
23:00 PilzAdam       hasufell, done
23:00 hasufell       PilzAdam: thanks
23:03 Exio4          PilzAdam: did you add gentoo to "Other distros"?
23:03 Exio4          seriously? ;)
23:05 PilzAdam       Exio4, its only number 29 of a random list
23:05 hasufell       PilzAdam: although it puzzles me how a distro with over 240 developers is a "less common" one, but I'm not going to argue about your website structure ;)
23:06 Exio4          archlinux is way "less common" than gentoo
23:06 sdzen          who the heck uses puppy?
23:06 Exio4          that 'too'
23:06 Exio4          puppy & archlinux, but gentoo?
23:06 sdzen          lets just put slackware up their too
23:06 sdzen          :)
23:06 sdzen          there*
23:07 PilzAdam       its based on pure random
23:07 sdzen          are you a robot pilzadam?
23:07 sdzen          otherwise you are not allowed to be random
23:07 * sdzen        is waiting for a firmware update
23:23 * Kacey        peeks in
23:29 VanessaE       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104062#p104062
23:29 VanessaE       yay :)
23:35 Jordach        VanessaE, does default:leaves look way better now
23:35 VanessaE       yes
23:35 VanessaE       I used a variation of your idea
23:36 Jordach        what the fuck
23:36 Jordach        40fps with HDX 256 on OpenGL 2.1
23:36 VanessaE       what's wrong with that?
23:37 Jordach        and here comes the obnoxious time wasted because of pre-load itmes
23:37 Jordach        (as in, it's disabled)
23:39 Jordach        VanessaE, for some reason mip maps + antisotropic + billinear + trillinear - give me FPS boosts
23:39 VanessaE       they should.
23:39 Jordach        i'm actually going faster with something that should slow you down
23:40 VanessaE       mipmap+aniso has the side effect of making the card read less data for far away objects, which of course is most of what's on screen
23:40 VanessaE       obviously the tradeoff is higher vram usage
23:42 Exio4          you say that like the vram we had in our GPUs today was 2mb
23:42 VanessaE       heh
23:42 VanessaE       well if you've got 500 MB of textures before mipmap+aniso, you're gonna be using 2000 MB of VRAM with it. :-)
23:42 sokomine       hmm...hope this spider crawling in front of me will do its job...there are gnats to catch...
23:43 Jordach        256x is using 500mb of ram
23:43 Exio4          ram != vram
23:43 sokomine       (for some reasons, spiders seem to love monitors)
23:43 Jordach        sokomine, it's warm there
23:43 VanessaE       Jordach: try turning on preload item visuals and go to my server.  watch RAM usage jump to 2.5GB :-)
23:43 sokomine       ram on the graphics card or ram on the machine?
23:43 sokomine       the whole room is warm :-( the spider ought to be happy
23:44 VanessaE       sokomine: system RAM
23:45 VanessaE       I dunno what MT's real usage of VRAM is, not sure how to monitor that
23:45 hacker         i can use nvidia-smi
23:47 Exio4          :( i don't like having the press enabled
23:47 Exio4          double click ftw
23:47 sokomine       good. there's enough ram but not much ram for graphics
23:51 Exio4          max_lag = 72.9631
23:51 Exio4          72 seconds!