Time  Nick            Message
00:00 Dakota5         oh yah because ubuntu monitors what you do and sends it to amazon
00:00 PilzAdam        <nolan_> Your basing something off what adam said <- best thing you can do. ever.
00:00 Jordach         Dakota5, linux mint 15 is way better :)
00:00 Jordach         <Calinou / VanessaE> Xubuntu is better.
00:00 nolan_          Haha pilzadam :P
00:01 nolan_          Jordach it is sad you don't have a server, your'e the most trustful and helpful minetest player i know, and playing on your server would be awesome
00:01 Dakota5         that's like going to a bar and saying i want a girly drink just because all the women are drinking it
00:01 * Jordach       writhes
00:01 Jordach         ewww, i hate public appreciation
00:01 nolan_          you better get used to it
00:02 Dakota5         hahaha
00:02 PilzAdam        nolan_, funny that you call him trusfull: the reason why he lost his VPN was that he shouted out the root password to the public ;-)
00:02 nolan_          PilzAdam i trust him more than u
00:02 Jordach         PilzAdam, SB didn't want affiliation with minetest
00:02 nolan_          Your'e a prick sometimes
00:03 Jordach         mt.viewskew.com went mia a week ago
00:03 Jordach         when starblessed stated that OpenVZ was up again, i checked for my vps, wasnt there
00:03 Jordach         he then confirmed it via PM that he removed it
00:04 Dakota5         is herobrine real
00:04 Jordach         nope
00:05 nolan_          But slenderman is
00:05 nolan_          Slenderman = My cousin
00:05 Jordach         slenderman is a german myth in origin
00:05 Dakota5         lol i love slenderman hes my bestfriend
00:05 Jordach         if he catches you, he will ask you a question, if you get it wrong, you die, if you get it right, he breaks your legs
00:06 Dakota5         wtf
00:06 Jordach         you think an evil demon will let a mortal go that easy
00:06 Dakota5         lol so is he realy real
00:06 nolan_          Guys, im in game a guy named connor joins, he asked what the servers Ip was, why would he ask?
00:07 Jordach         that's like walking in a Subway and not reading the Sub of the Day
00:07 Dakota5         thats wierd i wouldnt give it to him
00:07 Dakota5         but cant everyone see it
00:08 nolan_          yea they should be able to
00:08 Jordach         they can only see the IP address when the hostname is reversed, eg, google.com -> 8.8.8.8
00:08 nolan_          He asked, nobody answered so he left
00:08 Dakota5         lol
00:08 Jordach         and inverse of that is 8.8.8.8 -> google.com
00:08 Jordach         think of your IP address as a phone number
00:09 nolan_          555-555-5555
00:09 Jordach         the hostname is used to make it like a contact number
00:09 nolan_          :)
00:09 Jordach         or speed dial
00:09 Jordach         so you don't remember things like: 123.213.87.9
00:10 nolan_          Jordach, i remember IP pretty easy, i remember rays
00:10 Jordach         ah
00:10 nolan_          But hey i learn quick
00:10 nolan_          unless its science -,-
00:11 nolan_          Hey Jordach why don't you play rays server with me? I would be stunned if you actually did
00:12 Jordach         nolan_, i dislike playing on public servers
00:12 Jordach         1) i hate being revered
00:12 Jordach         2) i like silence
00:12 Jordach         3) repeating questions wear me down
00:13 Jordach         eg, does moreblocks add more blocks
00:13 nolan_          -_-
00:13 nolan_          \no it adds plants lol
00:14 Evergreen       If you like silence, turn the chat off.
00:14 nolan_          BAM
00:14 nolan_          jordach  i like u though
00:14 nolan_          come get sick
00:14 nolan_          and play
00:14 Evergreen       Though if you turn the chat off, there is no real point to playing multiplayer
00:14 Evergreen       :P
00:15 Evergreen       You might as well play SP
00:15 kaeza           yes there is
00:15 kaeza           griefing :D
00:15 nolan_          i have been playing mintest for like half a year, i just started IRC today, now please tell me there is no point without IRC again -_-
00:15 kaeza           inb4 banned everywhere
00:15 Evergreen       Yet another reason to play SP!  x)
00:16 PilzAdam        when we merged the 3D player support, there were like 5 core devs and 3 other players on a server
00:16 PilzAdam        was pretty awesome
00:16 Jordach         i was there when we implemented the 3d player
00:16 Jordach         and Sam is my creation
00:16 * kaeza         too
00:16 PilzAdam        was VanessaE's server IIRC
00:16 Jordach         PilzAdam, it was rba's testing
00:17 kaeza           I haven't seen more than 3 players at once ever since :(
00:18 PilzAdam        Evergreen, can you please stop posting "+1" under every single pull request?
00:18 Evergreen       Sorry, if I like a pull request, I +1 it.  :P
00:19 kaeza           next time post a "+2" :P
00:20 Exio4           -3
00:20 nolan_          or -1
00:20 PilzAdam        Evergreen, if you dont have anything useful to say (e.g. if you have tested it), then there is no point in just saying "+1"
00:20 nolan_          wait just say *Plus 1)
00:20 nolan_          bahahaaa
00:22 Evergreen       Anyway, I'll try and say more useful information next time.    Also, I usually don't like compiling minetest every time I want to test a pull request.  :P
00:23 nolan_          Hey guys is it wierd that i found a bucket a player had (taking players buckets they are not allowed because of greif and are disabled) the player gave me hs bucket and it was empty. I looked over the name and it said Emtpy Bucket, not Empty Bucket
00:25 Jordach         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=52287#p52287 Sam I's first shot
00:25 Jordach         nolan_, fixed in minetest_game
00:26 nolan_          How did i find a bucket spelled wrong though?
00:26 Jordach         nolan_, it's a bug in the bucket code
00:27 nolan_          I thought it might be, its wierd lol
00:27 nolan_          What does bad allocation mean/ i get kicked from game often from it
00:28 Jordach         nolan_, just a bug
00:28 PilzAdam        fixing that typo was the first commit I pushed to Minetest
00:28 NekoGloopMkII   it means minetest is coded badly
00:28 NekoGloopMkII   and ever since you've held claim over the entire minetest_game project, PilzAdam
00:42 Jordach         spotted some spam on the forums, killed it
00:42 Jordach         and banned the user of course :)
00:44 PilzAdam        http://youtu.be/IPsi6DGkrIA
00:44 PilzAdam        !title
00:44 MinetestBot     PilzAdam: How To Fix a Laptop - YouTube
00:45 Jordach         here's how you fix a lappy
00:45 Jordach         buy a tower because i can barely get my fingers around the tiny mobo
00:46 Jordach         i had to repair a laptop fan: it was going to set the house alight
00:46 Jordach         fixed it, broke the intel centrino chip \o/
00:47 Jordach         anyways, i need sleep
00:47 NekoGloopMkII   If you give a Jordach a Laptop...
01:36 PilzAdam        bye
01:42 VanessaE        hiall.
01:46 Kacey           hi v
01:47 VanessaE        how goes?
02:05 Kacey           im sore today...
02:05 VanessaE        sowwy
02:08 Kacey           band camp is tiring...
02:08 VanessaE        glad I left all that school stuff behind years ago
02:09 Kacey           lol i am just getting started with the last bit of it lolz
02:10 alex256         !up
02:10 MinetestBot     alex256: Give me a Server Address
02:18 kaeza           time to go; my planet needs me ;)
02:18 kaeza           night all
02:22 Peacock         these back pills are wonderful, perhaps later we'll be able to trip the title and festive
02:22 ShadowNinja     Is there a Minetest memo mod?
02:22 Kacey           memo?
02:23 VanessaE        there's a mailbox mod
02:23 VanessaE        closest thing I can think of anyway
02:23 ShadowNinja     A message that you can send for a player to get when they come on. Like MemoServ.
02:25 Kacey           put a sign in their house...
02:25 ShadowNinja     They have many buildings.
02:50 hoodedice       !Peacock : Is the server on?
02:50 hoodedice       (Yeah it is)
03:05 hoodedice       !Peacock
03:06 Peacock         hoodedice yes
03:06 Peacock         still packing lol
03:07 hoodedice       Sorry
03:07 hoodedice       (somethingtrivial) I'll discuss it after you move
03:08 Peacock         naw its okay im a little out of it with back pills
03:08 Peacock         did you know, Rub A535 standing on it's side looks like Rub Ases
03:08 hoodedice       back pills?
03:08 hoodedice       Rub A535 is a back pill, I presume
03:08 Peacock         yeah wouldnt have gotten through today without them lol
03:08 Peacock         naw its some cream thingy
03:09 hoodedice       hmm
03:09 hoodedice       I was thinking of this feature,
03:10 hoodedice       Like there's a special node, when you punch it it gives you this special object
03:10 hoodedice       And as long as you have said object you can remain in a city
03:11 Peacock         you should post this idea on forum in detail since i wont be able to find it in irc logs later
03:11 hoodedice       hmm k
03:12 Peacock         or remember it with these meds lol
03:12 hoodedice       Middle age. Hits you hard.
03:13 Peacock         probably the wild weather change, from 43c to 11c
03:14 Peacock         mother and sister have it too right now
03:14 Peacock         though my sisters' at the other end of the country :/
03:14 hoodedice       (And we think 20c is cold)
03:15 Peacock         meh, if it could stay between 12 and 22c year round that would be great
03:15 hoodedice       I like it to be 30
03:15 hoodedice       =)
03:15 Peacock         past 30 i have a hard time sleeping lol
03:16 Peacock         heck i shaved my head two weeks ago, people are alot more polite now lol
03:16 hoodedice       Sleeping. Yes. I need cool at that time
03:16 hoodedice       Because I can't slee without a blanket
03:16 hoodedice       *sleep
03:17 Peacock         http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZTXYghCNzo8/UBoelLw3Q6I/AAAAAAAAANo/1_aQ6C2frcw/s1600/homer.jpg
03:17 Peacock         ^ when its too hot lol
03:20 hoodedice       =)
03:20 hoodedice       Indeed
03:24 Peacock         http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/31/dog-eats-paralyzed-arkansas-mans-testicle
03:24 Peacock         ouch
03:25 hoodedice       The guy is half nuts
03:25 hoodedice       Rofl
03:25 hoodedice       The comments are hilarious
03:26 Peacock         lol hadn't check until you mentioned it
03:26 Peacock         Never buy the Milk Bone underwear.
03:28 hoodedice       Don't. Ever. Post. Stuff. Like. That. Again
03:29 hoodedice       (stillrofling)
03:29 Peacock         i thought it was a prank article until i found other sources lol
03:31 hoodedice       (tryingnottothinkofthat) How do you force a new line in the signs
03:32 VanessaE        |
03:32 Peacock         (space)|(space)
03:32 VanessaE        (space pipe space)
03:32 Peacock         i wanted to post the rules in german and spanish, though running them through google translate i realized i had to add two lines (6 total) lol
03:33 Peacock         im pretty sure they dont make much sense though
03:33 hoodedice       Thanks
03:33 Peacock         whats your native lang
03:33 Peacock         ?
03:34 hoodedice       Urdu
03:34 hoodedice       Though my first is English, and I speak and write it better than urdu
03:34 Peacock         4th largest hmm
03:34 Peacock         need multicharset signs lol
03:35 hoodedice       =)
03:35 VanessaE        Peacock: pull requests against homedecor are welcome :P
03:35 Peacock         though ill need a bigger spawn to cover more langs lol
03:35 Peacock         *spawn room
03:36 Peacock         spanish or portuguese, not such which one the bulk of S.A. players speak
03:37 Peacock         if i understand correctly, in brazil they speak a dialect of portuguese?
03:37 hoodedice       ah, et francais?
03:37 Peacock         i dont know of any french players that don't have an equally perfect grasp of english
03:38 Peacock         spanish and german are important since ive had players who could only speak those :/
03:39 Peacock         they should at least be able to understand rules if icant explain it to them
03:41 hoodedice       hmm
03:54 hoodedice       Later.
04:26 bas080          see how juicy nodebox flowers look like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_941607798.png
05:02 khonkhortisan   that's all the same species of flower
05:12 bas080          khonkhortisan, true!
06:41 sfan5           hi
06:44 VanessaE        hi
08:32 JamesTait       Good morning all, happy Yorkshire Day! :-D
08:34 VanessaE        good morning
09:37 Calinou         lol, first time I get "too many users"
09:37 Calinou         while server reports 10/12 players
09:46 proller         report updated every 5 minutes
10:14 * Jordach       pokes VanessaE
10:14 Jordach         c'mon lazy
10:15 Jordach         hey PilzAdam
10:16 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
10:16 sweminetest     khonkhortisan, hello.
10:16 Jordach         you meant kahrl_
10:16 sweminetest     hello everyone :) to you as well
10:17 mtmt            Hi
10:20 mtmt            Hello
10:21 PilzAdam        !kick MarkTwain You are banned
10:21 PilzAdam        !ban mtmt*!*@*
10:22 YouYou          MinetestBot no im fucking not
10:22 PilzAdam        !op
10:28 Jordach         what is his fuckin problem
10:35 Jordach         why did i blender a voxely 3DS
10:53 * VanessaE      pokes Jordach
10:53 Jordach         hello VanessaE
10:54 Jordach         up early?
10:54 VanessaE        up late
10:54 VanessaE        haven't been sleeping much latel
10:54 VanessaE        lately*
11:00 Jordach         ah
11:00 Jordach         trying to encroach on my ability to run 17 hours a day just to mod the forums>
11:00 VanessaE        haha
11:01 VanessaE        *post moved*  HIYAH!  *delete...delete...delete...*  *insert random chop-socky cries here*
11:01 VanessaE        :)
11:01 Jordach         "Enter a word that you want to censor and the replacement text for this word." i know what i'm doing april 1st
11:02 VanessaE        oh boy..
11:02 Calinou         inb4 replace "," and "." with "?"
11:02 Jordach         we should also set the forum clock a to april 2nd
11:02 Calinou         let's also replace "test" with "craft"
11:02 VanessaE        Calinou:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103214#p103214  <--- you forgot to git push :P
11:02 Calinou         no?
11:03 Calinou         look at the git repo
11:03 Calinou         http://github.com/Calinou/moreblocks
11:03 Calinou         the repos moved
11:03 VanessaE        OH
11:03 Jordach         btw, banned a spammer last nigujt
11:03 Jordach         night*
11:03 VanessaE        sure, screw me up why don't ya :)
11:04 * Jordach       sees PilzAdam in #freenode
11:05 VanessaE        Jordach: good, one less piece of trash to clog the forums
11:05 Jordach         VanessaE, seen some of my 1080p renders?
11:05 VanessaE        no
11:05 Jordach         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103069#p103069
11:05 VanessaE        except a random screenshot here and there, not sure if they were 1080 or wha
11:05 VanessaE        what*
11:05 VanessaE        oh yeah, I saw that
11:05 VanessaE        cute :)
11:06 Jordach         i am the only person making media here
11:06 Jordach         (media = images etc)
11:07 VanessaE        well
11:08 VanessaE        actually I guess you do kinda have a monopoly on it huh
11:12 VanessaE        there, server's up-to-date again.....  for the next 5 or 10 minutes, until something else changes :)
11:13 Jordach         as usual
11:16 reactor         Meh.
11:17 reactor         sfan5: here?
11:18 reactor         What is the coordinate basis in the MT world?
11:18 Calinou         coordinate basis?
11:18 proller         WGS84
11:19 reactor         Is it that the X axis points to the east Z axis points to the south?
11:19 VanessaE        1 node = 1 meter, world center is 0,0,0, X and Z are W/E and N/S, Y is down/up
11:19 VanessaE        respectively.
11:19 reactor         East +?
11:19 reactor         South +?
11:19 VanessaE        yep
11:19 VanessaE        and nope
11:19 reactor         Good.
11:19 reactor         ?!
11:19 VanessaE        east is +, north is +
11:22 reactor         Aha.
11:22 reactor         sfan5: them my patch is wrong.
11:22 reactor         then*
11:22 VanessaE        so your most positive corner is north-east-upper
11:22 reactor         oh yes
11:23 reactor         Is it the same in Minecraft?
11:23 Calinou         I think so
11:23 Calinou         north-east rule
11:23 reactor         mk
11:23 Calinou         used to be south-west but the sun use to rise in the north
11:23 VanessaE        working on a map importer?
11:23 reactor         YEs.
11:23 reactor         Yes*
11:23 reactor         Patching sfan5's filter
11:23 reactor         Apparently, I got it wrong.
11:24 Calinou         Anvil?
11:24 reactor         It doesn't invert x but z.
11:24 reactor         What Anvil?
11:24 reactor         Yes, I had an anvil dropped on my head some time ago.
11:24 reactor         I do not recommend it.
11:24 Calinou         anvil is 1.2+ Minecraft map format
11:24 reactor         I'm kidding.
11:24 reactor         Oh.
11:24 Calinou         so you should use it
11:25 reactor         ?
11:25 sfan5           reactor: yes?
11:25 reactor         sfan5: I will rewrite the patch: it's the Z direction that needs fixing, not X.
11:25 sfan5           k
11:26 * sfan5         just accidently overclocked his computer by pressing random keys, now it reverted
11:26 Calinou         wat
11:26 Calinou         sfan5: what's your CPU?
11:26 sfan5           exactly
11:26 reactor         Calinou: does MT use Anvil?
11:26 sfan5           Intel
11:26 Calinou         reactor: nope
11:26 Calinou         which one exactly?
11:26 reactor         I don't know.
11:26 reactor         I'm confused as hell now.
11:26 sfan5           Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz
11:27 sfan5           reactor: Anvil is a MC save format
11:27 Calinou         then you can't
11:27 sfan5           *an
11:27 reactor         mkay.
11:27 reactor         Also.
11:27 reactor         How come I can't //load big schemes?
11:27 reactor         What I got is a square area, the middle of it
11:27 sfan5           reactor: whats the error?
11:27 reactor         I don't know.
11:28 reactor         I only get the middle square, about 500x500m
11:28 reactor         maybe 700x700
11:28 reactor         the scheme is about 90 MB
11:28 * NekoGloop     bites reactor
11:28 reactor         and it had been generating for quite long
11:28 reactor         like an hour
11:31 reactor         Pwned.
11:32 sweminetest     khonkhortisan, what minetest server do you enjoy playing on?
11:47 sweminetest     Has anyone played on minetest.ru before?
11:49 sweminetest     It doesn't seem to be open to strangers :(
11:49 Calinou         needs an account
11:49 Jordach         http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/273/s3ds.png
11:51 reactor         sfan5: what is the origin point?
11:52 reactor         I mean, what does the script choose as it?
11:52 reactor         If the centre of selection, I would suggest one better use the corner with minimal coordinates, for simplicity of the code and ease of calculations when pasting.
11:53 reactor         Because it would take too long to keep track of the pasted if you have to cut up an area and paste it by piece
11:57 sweminetest     Calinou, do you know if minetest.ru has some specific purpose like they only invite builders or game devs? Is it a server for everyone?
11:57 Calinou         it is, but you have to register somewhere
11:58 sweminetest     I'll find out.
11:59 sweminetest     Does anyone know if I can find the Public Server List shown in minetest on a webpage somewhere?
11:59 PilzAdam        minetest.net/servers
11:59 reactor         Sure.
11:59 reactor         Look what the client fetches.
11:59 reactor         Then process it.
12:05 svuorela        when is 0.4.8 expected to be out ? :)
12:05 PilzAdam        soon, there is no feature freeze yet, though
12:10 Jordach         when is 0.4.6 out?
12:11 Calinou         when is 0.4.4 out?
12:11 PenguinDad      Calinou yesterday?
12:11 Calinou         lol
12:20 NekoGloop       when is 0.0.0 out?
12:23 PenguinDad      NekoGloop after apocalypse :P
12:24 sweminetest     khonkhortisan, just a moment. I'll return to the chatroom later.
12:28 Jordach         when is 1.0
12:29 PenguinDad      Jordach if we are at mozilla next month.
12:29 sweminetest     so the water mod is yours...I gotta try it out
12:33 sweminetest     khonkhortisan, cool mod. I liked it. Actually I like any water animation instead of the water just standing still, no life nothing ;)
12:34 sweminetest     Does anyone like farming in minetest?
12:34 VanessaE        sweminetest: minetest already has animated water etc.
12:35 VanessaE        khonkhortisan's mod isn't needed anymore
12:35 sweminetest     VanessaE, then that is minetest, the dev version. Not minetest 0.4.7, right?
12:35 VanessaE        even 0.4.7
12:36 VanessaE        animated stuff has been in place since around september last year.
12:36 VanessaE        in fact, june of last year
12:38 RandomMyanCat   Hello #minetest!
12:38 PilzAdam        I have added translating here: http://www.minetest.net/development
12:38 RandomMyanCat   is there ever gong to be prt of minettest to androoid?
12:38 VanessaE        RandomMyanCat: sure, if someone ports it :P
12:39 RandomMyanCat   has it beend done yet? :)
12:39 sfan5           no
12:39 sfan5           but minetestserver already work on android
12:39 RandomMyanCat   wat abt ser-- ah, ok
12:39 VanessaE        some folks have ...yeah what sfan5 said
12:39 RandomMyanCat   Is ther link to set up it?
12:40 sweminetest     omg, you're right.
12:40 sfan5           RandomMyanCat: ...
12:40 VanessaE        but the client just needs more resources than what a tablet will be able to provide.
12:40 RandomMyanCat   Yos?
12:40 RandomMyanCat   mY tablet have good procesor
12:40 VanessaE        (at least at present, I'm sure that will improve over time)
12:40 RandomMyanCat   Is not good enoug to run minetest?
12:40 PilzAdam        RandomMyanCat, whad CPU does it have?
12:40 PilzAdam        *what
12:40 VanessaE        RandomMyanCat: it would need a really good GPU, as tablets go
12:40 RandomMyanCat   ARMv7 i thnk
12:41 proller         VanessaE, current 4 core arm cpus more powerful than 5 years-ago notebooks
12:41 sfan5           RandomMyanCat: i'll get you a link
12:41 RandomMyanCat   oky
12:41 Calinou         proller: big achivement
12:41 VanessaE        proller:  have you actually tried playing MT with software rendering? :)
12:41 Calinou         RandomMyanCat: ARMv7 doesn't mean much
12:41 RandomMyanCat   Why diff. cpu matter?
12:41 sfan5           RandomMyanCat: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95459#p95459
12:42 RandomMyanCat   thanks
12:42 proller         VanessaE, most of arm contain good GPU
12:42 VanessaE        proller: define "good" :)
12:42 Calinou         ^
12:42 svuorela        sfan5: I was trying to play on your public server last night, but it seems that there was no trees and that I couldn't break blocks. Is that expected ?
12:42 RandomMyanCat   But port forwrding?
12:42 proller         30 fps in minetest - not a problem
12:42 sfan5           svuorela: no, I'll look into it
12:42 Calinou         on benchmarks, the best ARM GPU (ardeno 330) is still slower than an HD4000
12:42 sfan5           RandomMyanCat: your router
12:42 sfan5           see there
12:42 Calinou         that is enough to play minetest, but I wouldn't call that "powerful"
12:42 RandomMyanCat   I get abt 50-60 in minecraft
12:42 VanessaE        RandomMyanCat: think of it this way:  which would be faster, a 1GHz 6502, a 1 GHz ARM, or a 1 GHz x86
12:42 * sfan5         is now afk
12:43 Calinou         (could be faked, intel is notorious for faking benchmarks)
12:43 PilzAdam        RandomMyanCat, what ARMv7? it ranges from 200MHz to 2 GHz
12:43 Calinou         VanessaE: x86 by far :P
12:43 VanessaE        Calinou: exactly.
12:43 proller         Calinou, powerful for 5-10w eaten power
12:43 Calinou         yes, perf-watt
12:43 RandomMyanCat   amazon one
12:43 proller         and enough powerful for playing minetest
12:43 RandomMyanCat   amazon HD i dont remembr model
12:44 sfan5           RandomMyanCat: to set a server up you need an usb cable
12:44 sfan5           if you get dll errors use dll-files.com and Google
12:44 * sfan5         is now really afk
12:44 RandomMyanCat   Ilost that i thnk
12:44 sfan5           :/
12:44 Calinou         lol amazon tablets
12:44 RandomMyanCat   the latest one
12:45 RandomMyanCat   i rmbr lookng forum, same as jojoa has
12:45 Calinou         kindle fire HD then, likely
12:45 Calinou         still, lol :P
12:45 RandomMyanCat   yes
12:45 RandomMyanCat   Amazon Kindle File HD
12:46 Jordach         ew amazon
12:46 RandomMyanCat   But I still don't understand how the Architecture of the CPU has a role in determining its speed, GHz is already defining speed of it, right?
12:46 RandomMyanCat   Whats wrong with Amazon?
12:47 Jordach         Ghz is something they can market
12:47 Jordach         the power of a CPU lies in the amount of cores
12:47 Jordach         and the underlying technology which you didnt rea
12:47 Jordach         read*
12:47 PilzAdam        it seems to have 2 cores @ 1.2 GHz
12:48 RandomMyanCat   Well i am currently on a laptop with a i686 4x1.6Gbz processors
12:48 Calinou         RandomMyanCat: amazon uses tons of DRMs
12:48 Calinou         <RandomMyanCat> But I still don't understand how the Architecture of the CPU has a role in determining its speed, GHz is already defining speed of it, right?
12:48 Calinou         not really
12:48 Calinou         GHz doesn't even make for proportional speed
12:48 Calinou         a 4ghz CPU won't be 25% faster than the exact same 3ghz CPU
12:48 Calinou         but more like 15-20%
12:48 RandomMyanCat   So whats the real variable that defnes the speed?
12:49 RandomMyanCat   *Defines
12:49 Calinou         erm, 33%
12:49 Calinou         erm, 20-30%
12:49 Calinou         RandomMyanCat: nothing
12:49 RandomMyanCat   Is there an equation?
12:49 PilzAdam        FLOPS
12:49 RandomMyanCat   ok
12:49 Calinou         sort of
12:49 Calinou         but that doesn't make actual game performance, or daily use performance
12:50 RandomMyanCat   cores x clock x flops/cycle
12:50 VanessaE        RandomMyanCat: One simple way to understand it is that some processor instructions take longer than others.  On a 6502, for example, a JUMP takes 6 cycles, regardless of the speed of the processor.  The same sort of instruction on an x86 might take 1 cycle.
12:50 VanessaE        plus there are things like out-of-order execution, pipelining, and other stuff
12:50 VanessaE        a modern processor can appear to run more than one instruction at a time, per cycle, because of such things.
12:51 RandomMyanCat   Lol i just realized i got my nick wrong
12:51 VanessaE        but each architecture is different.
12:51 Calinou         some x86s CPUs have better IPC than others
12:51 Calinou         eg. AMD has worse IPC than intel :P
12:51 RandomNyanCat   This is very on-topic, isn't it?
12:51 RandomNyanCat   :P
12:52 VanessaE        what might take a million cycles to execute on one processor, might take only a few hundred thousand on another, and if they're at the same GHz, the second one will finish first.
12:52 RandomNyanCat   Whats a CPU cycle?
12:52 VanessaE        RandomNyanCat: a single oscillation of the CPU's master clock.
12:52 VanessaE        1 GHz = 1 billion cycles per second
12:53 PilzAdam        whats a computer?
12:53 * RandomNyanCat puts a NyanCat on PlzAdam's head
12:53 reactor         ?
12:53 RandomNyanCat   Sorry, just looking at the logs :)
12:53 VanessaE        PilzAdam: a device for turning time, drink, and food into headaches. :P
12:53 Calinou         RandomNyanCat: since is this channel on topic? :D
12:53 * MinetestBot   puts a pony on RandomNyanCat's head
12:53 RandomNyanCat   lol
12:54 RandomNyanCat   MinetestBot?
12:54 Calinou         since when*
12:54 RandomNyanCat   /afk
12:57 RandomNyanCat   /afk
12:57 Jordach         RandomNyanCat, you dont need to repeat that
12:58 RandomNyanCat   Would anyone like to join my server?
12:58 RandomNyanCat   one to start, one to end
12:58 reactor         Did anyone say "GLaDOS"?
12:58 RandomNyanCat   glaDoD
12:58 RandomNyanCat   glaDoS*
12:58 RandomNyanCat   DoS!
12:58 reactor         I am not GLaDOS.
12:59 reactor         Why not add desert_stone stairs to stairs?
12:59 Jordach         * [GLaDOS] (GLaDOS@50.96.224.211): Genetic Lifeform and Disk Operating System
12:59 Calinou         stairs logic
12:59 Jordach         that's an actual whois
12:59 reactor         Good.
13:00 RandomNyanCat   94.197.127.73:30000
13:00 RandomNyanCat   Join please, i just set it up
13:01 VanessaE        reactor: I could add them to gloopblocks if no one has any objections.
13:01 RandomNyanCat   If anyone has any reason these two cannot be merged, you are to declare it now :P
13:02 RandomNyanCat   !up 94.197.127.73
13:02 MinetestBot     94.197.127.73:30000 seems to be down
13:02 RandomNyanCat   :(
13:02 RandomNyanCat   i see the server
13:02 RandomNyanCat   Try now
13:03 reactor         VanessaE: gloopblocks?
13:03 reactor         why not to the "stairs" built-in?
13:03 Jordach         !up 94.197.127.73
13:03 MinetestBot     94.197.127.73:30000 seems to be down
13:03 reactor         !up 255.255.255.25
13:03 RandomNyanCat   5.81.142.122
13:03 MinetestBot     255.255.255.25:30000 seems to be down
13:03 reactor         oops
13:03 reactor         !up 255.255.255.255
13:03 RandomNyanCat   haha
13:03 MinetestBot     255.255.255.255:30000 seems to be down
13:04 VanessaE        reactor: a mod NekoGloop started originally, I maintain it now as a sort of repository for all those "random" blocks that don't fit in anywhere else.
13:04 RandomNyanCat   !up 5.81.142.122
13:04 MinetestBot     5.81.142.122:30000 is up (501ms)
13:04 RandomNyanCat   There we go
13:04 reactor         MinetestBot: yeah the whole Internet is down.
13:04 VanessaE        as for putting them into minetest_game/built-in stairs, well, that's up to PilzAdam
13:04 NekoGloop       meow
13:04 PenguinDad      Hi MinetestBot
13:04 MinetestBot     Hello PenguinDad
13:04 VanessaE        meow.
13:04 reactor         VanessaE: mk
13:04 Jordach         you do realise RandomNyanCat is markv
13:05 Jordach         !op
13:05 VanessaE        (or whoever else wants to commit stuff to minetest_game, but it's mainly PA)
13:05 RandomNyanCat   IM not..
13:05 RandomNyanCat   lol is he on again
13:05 PilzAdam        Jordach, seems so
13:05 reactor         sfan5: I will also add some block conversions so that blocks don't get ignored
13:05 reactor         it's up to you not to accept them
13:05 PilzAdam        Jordach, banhammer
13:06 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/QFsBzlS.png
13:06 * NekoGloop     pats VanessaE's head
13:06 PilzAdam        Jordach, look in the channel banlist, we have a ban on 5.81.142.122
13:06 reactor         Pwned.
13:06 Jordach         because i can
13:07 PilzAdam        can you remove the "5ec57f49@gateway/web/freenode/ip." part?
13:07 reactor         Aha.
13:07 reactor         GLaDOS detected.
13:07 reactor         She uses to say that.
13:08 PilzAdam        Jordach, also I recommend /ignore SpamBot* PRIV
13:08 PilzAdam        he tends to spam PMs with it
13:10 PenguinDad      is mesecons still under development?
13:10 VanessaE        PenguinDad: yes
13:11 PilzAdam        last commit to master is from Jun 22, 2013
13:11 PenguinDad      that's why i have asked.
13:12 PilzAdam        I havent seen Jeija arround lately
13:12 VanessaE        PilzAdam: I just talked to him yesterday
13:12 VanessaE        he's been focusing on hardware hacking lately.
13:13 VanessaE        embedded devices, more specifically
13:13 DontBanIExplain Dont ban i will explain
13:13 PilzAdam        µControllers?
13:13 DontBanIExplain Why are ~100 nicks banned?
13:13 VanessaE        PilzAdam: IRL ones, I guess
13:13 PilzAdam        DontBanIExplain, nothing to explain here
13:13 DontBanIExplain All prefixed with my ip
13:14 PilzAdam        you are banned, stop reconnecting
13:14 VanessaE        DontBanIExplain: because ^^ of that
13:14 DontBanIExplain GIveme reason
13:14 DontBanIExplain Root Reason
13:14 VanessaE        DontBanIExplain: we don't tolerate open proxies here.
13:14 DontBanIExplain Whats the root reason
13:14 PilzAdam        !op
13:14 VanessaE        because they're abused.
13:14 DontBanIExplain [Reason 1] ->reason2
13:14 VanessaE        they're used to harass.
13:15 VanessaE        PilzAdam: FAIL
13:15 PilzAdam        huh?
13:15 VanessaE        you lacked a * at the start of the domain part.
13:15 PilzAdam        ooops
13:15 VanessaE        better.
13:16 VanessaE        I wish we could just ban the whole damn webchat entirely.
13:16 PilzAdam        this guy is so annyoing
13:16 VanessaE        it takes zero effort to get a real IRC client
13:16 PilzAdam        ^
13:17 VanessaE        (though at least we finally chased landmine off :) )
13:17 Calinou         VanessaE: some people still don't have a IRC client on hand, or are too lazy :P
13:17 VanessaE        Calinou: then they're too lazy to have an intelligent chat :P
13:17 Calinou         the same reason people use the stock windows notepad, yeah
13:17 VanessaE        perhaps
13:17 reactor         they're too lazy to use a good OS
13:18 VanessaE        (despite windows having had Wordpad since, what, 95? :) )
13:18 NekoGloop       *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*?
13:18 reactor         that's why they use Windows
13:18 NekoGloop       wouldn't that work...?
13:18 reactor         http gateway is yet another way nuisance users come
13:18 VanessaE        NekoGloop: it would.
13:19 VanessaE        but we haven't reached the point yet of just saying "ok, fuck this, all webchat users be gone!".
13:26 Jordach         we need a chanserv message
13:26 Jordach         -[chanserv]- If you are using webchat, you are muted, to be unmuted, please install a IRC client such as hexchat or irissi
13:27 VanessaE        that's fair enough, but will anyone see it?
13:27 reactor         yeah
13:27 reactor         put it in the topic
13:27 VanessaE        reactor: no one reads the /topic
13:27 reactor         "webchat clients are muted. Use normal client oe GTFO"
13:27 VanessaE        just as no one reads a server's /motd (either IRC or minetest)
13:27 reactor         VanessaE: most clients type it out when one joins
13:28 PenguinDad      Then will DanDuncombe be muted :P
13:29 Jordach         they do it in -dev
13:30 Jordach         or MinetestBot should detect webchat users and PM them
13:31 PenguinDad      yes MinetestBot shöuld do this
13:31 PenguinDad      *should
13:31 reactor         if they're muted they will have time to read the topic and thin
13:31 reactor         k
13:34 PenguinDad      reactor: I think the PM is better
13:35 reactor         maybe
13:36 reactor         /notice
13:41 PenguinDad      maybe /notice somebody In #minetest is Webchat muted.
13:46 * Jordach       makes a small video
13:54 VanessaE        bbl
13:57 Jordach         jesus Sam looks good during animatics
14:01 Jordach         you know how minetest worlds are spawned in chunks?
14:16 NekoGloop       we know, but does anyone care
14:18 PenguinDad      I don't know. D:
14:31 Jordach         oh god, smooth electro house
14:41 reactor         oh god house
14:42 reactor         music died in the 90s
14:42 reactor         art died*
14:46 RealBadAngel    80-90's music is the best
14:47 Jordach         70-*
14:47 PilzAdam        the music of 2050 will be best
14:47 * Jordach       will be 60 by then
14:48 RealBadAngel    http://zp.tuba.pl/
14:49 RealBadAngel    this is online of Radio station that plays only 80-90
14:49 Jordach         !title
14:49 MinetestBot     Jordach: Radio Złote Przeboje - Muzyka mojego życia
14:49 PenguinDad      I'll 50 then
14:49 RealBadAngel    now it plays "Only You"
14:49 RealBadAngel    by Savage
14:51 RealBadAngel    Jordach, translation of description: Radio of Golden Oldies: Music of my Life
14:52 RealBadAngel    now it plays Paul Anka's "Diana"
15:04 Jordach         heh
15:05 * Jordach       renders a 1080p video
15:06 sfan5           Jordach: blender, right?
15:06 Jordach         yup
15:07 Jordach         900 ish frams
15:09 Jordach         just a animation practice
15:09 Jordach         my walking isnt perfect
15:09 Jordach         nor is sittin down on surfaces which arent chairs
15:11 Jordach         i'll drop ot pm viewskew when it's done
15:12 Jordach         it on*
15:34 rubenwardy      Hi all
15:35 Jordach         hey rubenwardy
15:35 Jordach         btw, i have a companion cube on my desk atm
15:39 PenguinDad      Hello rubenwardy
15:40 Jordach         hey Calinou
15:40 Calinou         hi
15:41 sweminetest     khonkhortisan, the server had to restart. Now its online again.
15:41 Jordach         currently rendering a test animation to test my Sam ii model
15:42 * rubenwardy    is trying anno-online.com
15:51 Jordach         Calinou has crap wifi
15:52 Calinou         ethernet
15:57 Jordach         * Calinou has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) <- you pulled the cable out
16:00 Calinou         lol
16:00 Calinou         I killed xchat because it froze
16:01 Jordach         lol
16:11 Jordach         ^ join spam
16:14 reactor         xchat is shit
16:14 reactor         use a good client
16:14 reactor         that doesn't require mouse
16:15 RealBadAngel    i have decided to add even more content to technic_game
16:16 RealBadAngel    technic_ambience is now a part of the game
16:17 Jordach         minetest technic now has a matmos equivilent
17:15 ShadowNinja     I figured out how to stop Minetest from segfaulting, just run in in gdb. :-)
17:15 reactor         haha
17:15 reactor         quantum mechanics, ShadowNinja
17:16 reactor         observation affects the problem
17:45 ShadowNinja     Is it fine if I rename the "Blocks" pages/categories on the wiki to "Nodes"?
17:46 kahrl_          dev wiki or user wiki?
17:46 ShadowNinja     User wiki.
17:46 ShadowNinja     Leaving a redirect behind.
17:46 kahrl_          leave it as "Blocks"
17:48 sweminetest     I don't know why but minetest manages to grow to 78 degrees C pretty quickly without much effort on my laptop and burn my fingers :(
17:48 kahrl_          sweminetest, it's the new biome support hmmmm added
17:48 kahrl_          or proller's weather changes
17:48 PilzAdam        ShadowNinja, tehre is a topic about this in the forums
17:49 PenguinDad      *by BlockMen
17:49 sweminetest     When I get myself a desktop computer this will be a non-issue.
17:49 hmmmm           back in the older versions when minetest was significantly slower and i was using my athlon 64 it'd push my computer to run its fans at full blast
17:49 hmmmm           no other program had ever done that
17:50 sweminetest     almost compared to running a Bitcoin miner.
17:50 ShadowNinja     PilzAdam: Have a link?
17:50 hmmmm           you could try increasing the server step interval a tiny bit
17:51 sweminetest     kahrl_, any tips on what to do when the temperature degrees start hitting the 'melting point'?
17:51 sweminetest     I could buy a desktop computer of course. I think I got the money
17:52 kahrl_          sweminetest: try hmmmm's suggestion
17:52 sweminetest     hmmmm, I don't own the server. I'm playing on glo's server.
17:52 hmmmm           wow
17:52 sweminetest     or you meant something else probably.
17:53 hmmmm           is the 78 degrees from the graphics card?
17:53 sweminetest     Well this is a 4th gen intel card. It was the last generation which was integrated in the motherboard.
17:53 sweminetest     5th and later are integrated into the cpu.
17:53 hmmmm           er, try disabling shaders possibly
17:54 PenguinDad      And try disabling fancy trees.
17:54 hmmmm           also disable fancy tree leaves
17:54 sweminetest     unckecked shaders...it was checked :) thx
17:54 proller         kahrl_, weather is disabled by default
17:54 Calinou         "4th gen intel card" inb4 C2D IGP
17:54 sweminetest     fancy trees unchecked, thx :)
17:54 Calinou         aka. terrible thing :D
17:55 Calinou         sweminetest: 78°C isn't dangerous
17:55 sweminetest     Calinou, for my fingers it is dangerous, I burn them.
17:55 kahrl_          proller, it was a joke :P
17:55 sweminetest     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Fourth_generation
17:55 Calinou         then hold your laptop in a different way
17:55 sweminetest     Mine is a GMA 4500MHD
17:56 sweminetest     Calinou, not possible
17:56 sweminetest     Calinou, minetest is a game, or am I doing it wrong? :)
17:56 sweminetest     shaders and fancy trees are turned off. I'll try now.
17:57 Calinou         it is
17:57 sweminetest     Calinou, I use wasd to move so I need a hand on the keyboard.
17:58 sweminetest     Calinou, what is C2D IGP?
17:58 Calinou         core 2 duo IGP
18:00 reactor         sfan5: so eh
18:00 reactor         I've added some blocks that don't have exact matches in MT
18:00 reactor         just so that they don't get wasted
18:03 reactor         And removed the origin in the middle.
18:03 reactor         I think it's better to have origin in the south-east corner
18:03 reactor         easier to align things together as you paste them
18:06 reactor         ftp://90.151.99.254/pub/tomtweschem-correct-z.patch
18:11 reactor         Note I'm going down soon, and taking the system.
18:11 reactor         Nothing serious, just no torrents to do for a while.
18:15 * Jordach       grabs a copy
18:17 BlockMen        wow, minetest i getting really popular: alexa rank -> june:  #203989, now: #136639, estimated: #112948
18:17 BlockMen        *is
18:18 * Jordach       is still waiting for a render to finish
18:21 DanDuncombe     VanessaE, I see the server is updated. I have noticed a problem with hovercrafts though, if there is more than one of the same colour, they will both move even if only one is being used. If one get stuck against a wall, the one you are riding will go all slow and 'stuck in wall'.
18:22 VanessaE        yeah, I saw that
18:22 VanessaE        does your variant suffer the same issue?
18:23 Jordach         ewmehgerd: http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Minetest
18:24 reactor         hmm
18:24 Calinou         not new
18:24 reactor         CONTENT_IGNORE?
18:24 Calinou         reactor: btw, you can use (he)xchat with keyboard :p
18:24 reactor         it is because I'm loading a scheme too big?!
18:24 reactor         Calinou: screw it, not worth efforts
18:24 Calinou         Jordach: link to VCS is outdated :P
18:24 reactor         not efficiently
18:24 Calinou         yep
18:24 reactor         I noticed, if I load a big scheme, it will trim it
18:25 reactor         that's terrible
18:25 reactor         And I have to repeat myself to make it load the whole
18:25 Calinou         CONTENT_IGNORE is the 2nd hardcoded node with "air"
18:25 Calinou         it's a solid, opaque node that has no texture
18:26 reactor         hmm
18:26 Calinou         it's put in unloaded blocks
18:26 reactor         then no correlation
18:26 reactor         or
18:26 reactor         hmm
18:26 reactor         unloaded blocks
18:26 reactor         so it doesn't allot replacing unloaded blocks?
18:27 reactor         and have to policeman it around to see if everything is on place
18:28 Calinou         you can't place "ignore" nodes
18:28 reactor         Exactly: "Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE"
18:28 reactor         but what's it doing in a legit paste?
18:28 Calinou         don't know
18:29 reactor         there are no CONTENT_IGNORE blocks in it
18:29 Calinou         WE tries to place it if you give it unknown nodes
18:29 reactor         but I've been having some trouble with //set sandstone_brick
18:29 Calinou         it'll spam it :P
18:29 reactor         it does
18:29 Calinou         you mean //set default:sandstonebrick
18:29 reactor         yes
18:29 reactor         some blocks, too
18:29 reactor         sefault_
18:29 Calinou         you're typing them wrongly then ;)
18:30 reactor         strange.
18:31 reactor         But what about the weird cutting issue?
18:31 reactor         Is it WE trying to tell me to GTFO?
18:31 Calinou         maybe it's telling you to install linux :p
18:31 * Calinou       runs
18:33 reactor         Linux is bloated. And "bloat" is one of the stages of decomposition of a dead body FYI.
18:34 Calinou         so is minetest :P
18:34 Calinou         by your definition :P
18:34 reactor         And yes, I'm still mad at it for resetting my USB keyboard and mouse every bloody minute.
18:35 reactor         They work fine since I ditched it.
18:35 Calinou         wireless?
18:35 Calinou         if they are wired, they should normally always work
18:35 Calinou         except if your thing is weird in any way (eg. G710+)
18:36 Jordach_        dafuq you smokin hexchat; No such device or address
18:36 reactor         no
18:36 reactor         they're wired
18:36 reactor         it also used to reset my USB disks
18:36 Jordach_        reactor, i'm ethernet
18:36 reactor         Jordach_: congratulations
18:37 reactor         Well, if they're weird, why do they work fine on any other OS?
18:37 reactor         But Linux?
18:37 Calinou         kernel regression, distro regression, or both
18:37 reactor         It has something to do with the kernel handling USB.
18:38 reactor         I have done all kinds of asshattery to get rid of it.
18:38 reactor         had*
18:38 VanessaE        never had an issue with debian(-based distros) resetting my USB devices.  weird.
18:41 NekoGloop       I like pie
18:43 Calinou         pie is a lie
18:43 reactor         "I like trains"
18:43 Calinou         karma trains*
18:43 reactor         No, it's the cake which is.
18:43 reactor         s/which/that/
18:43 reactor         And I am not GLaDOS.
19:08 Calinou         http://www.crevis.net/index.html
19:09 Calinou         at least these guys used misa :D
19:09 reactor         mese
19:12 PenguinDad      We should go to the FSF
19:12 reactor         ?!
19:13 Jordach_        PenguinDad, http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Minetest
19:14 PenguinDad      reactor because they have to provide the LGPL licensed part of their game
19:14 PenguinDad      *source code
19:15 Calinou         reading their changelogs, they did a lot of stuff, but I don't believe them
19:15 Calinou         they're selling prerelease for $5 ._.
19:18 Jordach_        *buys pre-release* gives zipball to forum
19:19 Jordach_        everyone wins
19:19 Calinou         you can download current release for free, though
19:19 * Jordach_      takes a look inside
19:19 * Calinou       doesn't
19:19 Jordach_        <jenni> MySQL.com compromised via SQL Injection attack. http://bit.ly/foQI7v (@mrdenny)
19:19 Jordach_        that just happened
19:20 Calinou         <jenni> I just got beat by Calinou at UNO! #uno
19:20 Calinou         :>
19:20 nolan_          is there a way to block people from PM? on forums.
19:20 Calinou         nolan_: nope
19:20 Calinou         why?
19:20 Jordach_        nolan_, best to ignore them
19:20 nolan_          dakotahipp wont quit pming me
19:20 nolan_          telling me i am a fail mod and to grow up
19:20 Jordach_        me and Calinou can't see what's happening as mods
19:21 Jordach_        your best bet is to ignore that S.O.B.
19:21 nolan_          he is so annoying
19:22 nolan_          jordach JW why do u hate public appreciation? :D
19:22 Jordach         i just do
19:22 Jordach         i hate attention
19:22 * Jordach       likes being a silent moderator
19:22 nolan_          what the heck
19:23 DanDuncombe     VanessaE, could you make it so any hovercraft that isn't ridden for more than 1 minute is removed? To avoid the bug.
19:23 Jordach         Calinou, laugh at crevis
19:23 Jordach         they installed misa as a texture pack
19:23 Jordach         and minetest_game is still there with each mod i can name
19:23 Calinou         I know
19:23 nolan_          i like internet attention on games i play but not in real life i kind of like, wish i could be here forever
19:23 Calinou         but look at their changelogs... do they actually have all these features ? I highly doubt
19:24 Jordach         this is like walking into a porn shop and finding out it's chess
19:24 VanessaE        I don't know much about entities, better you and stu should work on fixing it right
19:24 nolan_          how do i get rid of the stupid underscroe?
19:24 Jordach         /nick nolan
19:24 VanessaE        nolan_:  /nick nolan
19:24 VanessaE        ninja'd.
19:24 Jordach         to me or you
19:24 nolan_          who uses nolan lol
19:25 nolan_          i have never seen a nolan
19:25 nolan_          beesides me durr
19:25 Jordach         VanessaE, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-01#i_3231540
19:25 Jordach         i ninja'd you
19:25 PenguinDad      which changelog?
19:25 VanessaE        Jordach: I know
19:25 DanDuncombe     VanessaE, I did an update to Camo, just to note: If you update, there is tnt, which you will want to remove.
19:26 Jordach         VanessaE, :D
19:26 VanessaE        DanDuncombe: I saw it, I'll take care if it shortly.
19:26 DanDuncombe     Ok.
19:26 DanDuncombe     Who thinks camo should include the player radar mod?
19:26 Jordach         your defusing a situatuion
19:26 Jordach         -u
19:27 VanessaE        DanDuncombe: naw
19:27 DanDuncombe     Okay, although it is intended for PvP.
19:27 thexyz          how about "no discussion, just wallpapers" rule here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6755 ?
19:27 VanessaE        DanDuncombe: post a message on the hovercraft thread about that all-moves-for-one-color bug you just mentioned
19:28 DanDuncombe     Okay.
19:28 DanDuncombe     Good idea.
19:28 VanessaE        thexyz: actually yeah, with the stipulation that it's spelled out that "discussion" posts may be deleted arbitrarily.
19:28 nolan_          Jordach, You have some time?
19:29 Jordach         mm?
19:29 nolan_          Like 10 free minutes?
19:29 Jordach         im still rendering a animation
19:29 VanessaE        also, why is that thread in Offtopic?
19:29 nolan_          Aren't you always :P
19:29 VanessaE        that's hardly off-topic for Minetest.
19:30 VanessaE        DanDuncombe: mod updated, but tnt didn't need to be explicitly deleted, since you put it in as a mod.
19:30 thexyz          okay, moved to general
19:30 VanessaE        (so it never got in to begin with :) )
19:31 VanessaE        thexyz: maybe combine Calinou's thread into that one?
19:31 VanessaE        or rather, his actual post with the wallpapers
19:31 Calinou         or I could just repost them :p
19:36 DanDuncombe     Which looks better as radar? 1) http://i.imgur.com/8i7wy0G.png     or 2) http://i.imgur.com/zTcRspu.png
19:37 * Calinou       votes 3) Rainbow Dash
19:37 DanDuncombe     Please be serious
19:37 Calinou         DanDuncombe: neither, bad texture :/
19:37 DanDuncombe     I mean the shape.
19:37 Calinou         shape 1 then
19:37 DanDuncombe     Okay, thanks. I will use that one.
19:41 reactor         A bug.
19:41 reactor         In Burning's video renderer, some entities have misplaced textures.
19:41 reactor         Not just misplaced, but misplaced variably.
19:41 reactor         Depending on the entyty's placement.
19:42 BlockMen        who ever of the forum moderators did, thx for supporting! ->https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6755
19:42 mirda           hello :)
19:43 VanessaE        Calinou: nu?  so re-post your wallpapers to that thread already :-)
19:43 Calinou         k
19:46 thexyz          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103187#p103187
19:48 VanessaE        oh G*d.  please, run that whole damn post through a to-lower filter
19:48 Calinou         and convert the .rar into a better format while you're at it
19:48 mirda           my brother has a problem with minetest client - it automatically change minimal view distance and it causes extreme framedrops, on his old PC, is there any way how to disable the automatic change of minimal view distance?
19:48 Calinou         press R
19:49 mirda           Calinou: he did and what next?
19:50 Jordach         hit r again
19:50 Calinou         that works :D
19:50 mirda           you know this problem?
19:50 * NekoGloop     pats VanessaE's head
19:50 Calinou         yes
19:51 mirda           my bro didnt notice that it helps
19:52 VanessaE        mirda: either he turned on full range (the 'r' command), or he increased the view range dramatically (the +/- keys)
19:52 DanDuncombe     I am trying to change this, unsuccesfully, to apply to entities and players. I also tried to change it so it didn't give you a range of half the Y coordinate, but simply the Y coord. What do I change? http://pastebin.com/8YNFGzpQ
19:55 mirda           VanessaE: he didnt do anything, he just played and it changed on its self
19:55 VanessaE        mirda: he must have hit a key, it doesn't just change on its own suddenly like that
19:55 DanDuncombe     VanessaE,can you help with the code? PilzAdam, can you help? Can anyone help?
19:56 VanessaE        now, it will ramp itself up and down over time, but not in sudden, large steps
19:56 mirda           it happened in version 0.4.7 stable and git
20:00 DanDuncombe     Does anyone know the solution to the mod problem?
20:01 pitriss         VanessaE: but latest git client really have issues with FPS... I didn't press R for sure and on i7 with geforce 9800GT it have sometimes 14FPS, older client was constantly on 25-50FPS
20:01 DanDuncombe     Can anyone help with the mod?!?!?!?!
20:01 VanessaE        pitriss: I have noticed a lot of performance regressions, though I have gained back about half of what I've lost by adding PilzAdam's/Taoki's VBO code and Exio4's shader tweak
20:02 VanessaE        DanDuncombe: I couldn't even begin to help with that one, I've never used it
20:02 DanDuncombe     I have actually solved ot now.
20:02 Jordach         it took you 56 seconds to fix it
20:03 Jordach         holy shit
20:03 Jordach         100 people in #minetest
20:03 Jordach         3 + 97 = 100
20:03 Jordach         3ops, 97 users
20:03 DanDuncombe     I saw an extra self.y/2
20:03 DanDuncombe     Which was the problem
20:03 Jordach         brb
20:04 DanDuncombe     local connected= minetest.get_connected_players()       How do I make this apply to entities as well, Jordach?
20:12 Jordach         uhm
20:13 DanDuncombe     Also, the player_radar mod won't actually show players on the radar. This seems unusual...
20:17 DanDuncombe     VanessaE, is the player_radar mod in use on your server?
20:21 VanessaE        no
20:21 VanessaE        doesn't really fit with the theme of my server.
20:22 DanDuncombe     Do you know how to make the radar show entities, though?
20:22 VanessaE        nope
20:22 VanessaE        I know almost nothing about how entities work
20:22 DanDuncombe     Does anyone know?
20:23 DanDuncombe     But you made signs with letter entities...
20:24 VanessaE        nope, thexyz originally did
20:24 PenguinDad      DanDuncombe ask sapier or PilzAdam
20:24 VanessaE        I just added to his code to adapt it to what homedecor needed
20:24 DanDuncombe     Do you know why the radar won't show players when they are in the radar range?
20:25 DanDuncombe     They simply don't appear.
20:26 DanDuncombe     Does anyone know of any other suitable mods to adapt and add to camo_modpack?
20:27 Jordach         75 frames till my test anim is done
20:29 PenguinDad      Hi kaeza
20:30 kaeza           hey PenguinDad
20:30 kaeza           sup
20:33 Calinou         hi
20:35 kaeza           hi Calinou
20:35 kaeza           nice wallpaper
20:36 kaeza           simple but elegant :P
20:36 Calinou         I made it like 1 year ago
20:36 Calinou         fun fact: windows makes these kind of wallpaper look like crap
20:36 Calinou         simply because windows converts wallpapers into .jpgs
20:37 kaeza           O_o
20:37 kaeza           not XP AFAIK
20:37 Calinou         at least windows 7
20:37 Calinou         I bet XP does it too
20:37 BlockMen        Calinou, are you sure. at me the img lloks exactly the same as in browser, ps, or other
20:37 Calinou         >ps
20:38 Calinou         <redroid> BlockMen was choked with an oblong sandwich by Calinou like the tolling of some great beneathing of fists
20:38 Calinou         BlockMen: if you use it as wallpaper, it'll be converted into a .jpg
20:38 Calinou         see by yourself :P
20:38 Jordach         nope
20:38 Jordach         windows 7 doesnt convert
20:38 Jordach         vista does
20:38 Calinou         at least it did for me on win7
20:39 Jordach         (i'm using a png file RIGHT NOW)
20:39 Calinou         I saw the loss of detail easily
20:39 Jordach         oh no, i see JPG ARTIFACTS
20:39 Jordach         49 frames left :)
20:40 Calinou         so yes, they are converted into .jpg
20:40 Calinou         windows logic
20:44 BlockMen        Calinou, only if you rightclick-> set as wp
20:45 BlockMen        if you set the the path manually it uses original png :P
20:55 Jordach         jesus it's hot
20:58 Jordach         3 frames :O
20:59 reactor         you're ethernet?
21:04 MinetestBot     GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Weather backward compatibility 06cdce1e12 2013-08-01T13:51:36-07:00 http://git.io/DYtfgg
21:04 MinetestBot     GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Leveled nodebox backward compatibility 0e89bca173 2013-08-01T13:50:58-07:00 http://git.io/GYTgLg
21:06 sokomine        hm, first attempt at road generation endet with everything buried and far away from the intended position
21:09 jin_xi          i was thinking about using pathfinding + lsystems for road construction
21:11 sokomine        lsystem seems to be a good idea for complex road systems, yes. but what can be realisticly placed is rather...small
21:11 sokomine        can't have a village with hundreds of houses
21:12 jin_xi          well, i mean using it directly with short axioms, just one width of the road with middle line
21:12 jin_xi          spawn along bresenham line between path-found nodes. voila
21:13 jin_xi          might also be possible without bresenham, if you calculate an angle for road segments
21:14 sokomine        and what kind of resluts do you get?
21:15 sokomine        something like that may be very fine for rivers. or roads that are not straight but go a bit back and forth
21:15 jin_xi          well, i have the bresenham thing ready and did some experiments with pathfinding, but thats about it
21:17 sokomine        right now i'm trying to get one road to work (more or less)
21:17 jin_xi          makes sense
21:22 sokomine        thanks to place_schematic, everyting did at least spawn :-) some time ago that would not have been the case
21:40 PenguinDad      Hello Menche
21:40 Menche          hi
21:41 PilzAdam        Jordach, hows the video going?
21:43 Jordach         rendered
21:43 Jordach         and crashes vlc player
21:43 Jordach         it also weighs 500+mb
21:44 PenguinDad      *like a LiveCD
21:45 Evergreen       Can't wait to see it Jordach.  :D
21:46 Jordach         Evergreen, it's just a test for rendering
21:47 * Jordach       will convert to .ogv at some point
21:48 Evergreen       Ah, ok.
21:49 Jordach         80 frames in ogv weigh 500kb
21:49 Jordach         980 should weigh 20mb
21:56 Evergreen       .ovg rocks.
21:58 PenguinDad      OGV rocks for movies and OPUS rocks for music.
22:13 NekoGloop       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lBVZHvAQE
22:18 Exio4           hi
22:18 * kaeza         pokes Exio4
22:18 kaeza           sup man
22:20 Exio4           not much
22:20 Exio4           you? :P
22:22 kaeza           just chillin out
22:27 jin_xi          fuck, i must have deleted the line3d file
22:27 jin_xi          oh well
22:28 kaeza           ?
22:30 jin_xi          i had some code lying around for placing nodes along a straight line between two positions, but cant find it anymore
22:31 kaeza           bresenham line algo?
22:31 kaeza           :P
22:34 nolan_          is IRC always this silent?
22:35 kaeza           at this time, yes
22:36 nolan_          when does it usually boom
22:36 reactor         Sleep is like death, isn't it?
22:37 Exio4           reading mt-dev log:
22:37 Exio4           [15:41:22] <+kahrl_> sapier1: not necessarily; some do it just for learning purposes, for example
22:37 Exio4           :D
22:38 reactor         That's a good answer.
22:38 reactor         I hate going to sleep.
22:38 reactor         Have to give up everything, break every thought.
22:39 nolan_          A serialization error has occured: unsupported nodebox version  this server is probably running on a different version of mintest. -------How do i find this new version and get it, and if i do may i still connect to ones who havent updated?
22:40 Exio4           that 'bug' was fixed with the latest commit
22:41 nolan_          Well, it does not allow me to log into Landrush or Vanessa's server, or a few others, so what do i do?
22:42 Exio4           you should 'wait for them' to update their servers, or use a new win build..
22:42 Exio4           PilzAdam: ^
22:42 nolan_          They are the ones who updated, i have not
22:42 Exio4           yes
22:42 nolan_          im aking how to find this version so i can get in
22:44 Menche          there were a few commits today that say that they add backwards compatibility for weather/nodeboxes
22:44 Exio4           they? no
22:44 Exio4           proller broke it, he fixed it
22:46 nolan_          -___________________________--
22:46 Menche          the best way to get the very latest is to compile from git
22:46 nolan_          well even know i asked, did not get the info i needed, thanks for trying
22:46 Menche          if you use windows, there's several people who make windows builds from git
22:47 Exio4           tell PA to make a new win build
22:47 nolan_          i dont know how to use github its confusing
22:47 * Jordach       converts using ogv
22:47 Evergreen       It usually is to newcomers.  :P
22:47 Jordach         Evergreen, imcoming coversion then upload
22:47 Evergreen       Yay!
22:48 reactor         Ethernet?
22:48 Jordach         reactor, yes, i use ethernet
22:48 Jordach         get over it
22:48 reactor         Well I use bananas.
22:49 Jordach         heh
22:49 Jordach         i play sims 2; live three days then die by being crushed by a satellite
22:50 reactor         Jordach: ain't war hell?
22:51 Jordach         reactor, sims 2 is a life sim
22:51 reactor         Oh.
22:51 Jordach         i die on day 3
22:52 Menche          nolan_: this should be a pretty up to date windows build: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-c6cb97e-win32.7z
22:52 nolan_          Menche: if i update, will i still be able to join servers who have not updated to the newest version?
22:53 Exio4           yes, you should be able to
22:53 Menche          i'm not sure. you could probably have them both side by side
22:54 nolan_          Just wondering, how come somtimes peoples names are red and mostly black though?
22:54 Jordach         i turned 500mb file into 5mb
22:54 Exio4           nolan_: highlights, saying your nick
22:54 Jordach         JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
22:54 Exio4           are showed in red, in your with client
22:56 * VanessaE      peeks in
22:56 VanessaE        nolan_: any git build newer than June 22 should work fine on my server
22:56 Evergreen       Holeh crap jordach, that is a lot
22:57 Jordach         and it's still 1080p
22:57 Evergreen       0_0
22:57 * Evergreen     picks his jaw up off the floor
22:57 Jordach         http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/blender-render-test-2/
22:57 Jordach         aw, MG converted it to 640p
22:58 Jordach         yes, this is a second test; i'm not very skilled at moving bones yet :)
22:58 Menche          why do people say '1080p'? Isn't it 1920x1080?
22:58 Jordach         Menche, yes
22:58 Jordach         the original avi render is
22:58 Evergreen       Ah well, still good
22:58 * Evergreen     is afk
22:58 Jordach         Evergreen, see the bending arms?
22:58 Evergreen       Yeah
22:58 Jordach         they look just like the mc animator ones, dony they
22:58 PilzAdam        Jordach, thats officially awesome
22:59 * Jordach       writhes
22:59 Jordach         ewww, public love
22:59 Evergreen       :D
22:59 nolan_          i love u jordach
22:59 nolan_          <3
22:59 * Jordach       's head explodes
22:59 PilzAdam        ladies and gentleman, MinetestBot:
23:00 PilzAdam        (she should post a commit message now)
23:00 marktraceur     PilzAdam: There's only one gentleman in?
23:00 marktraceur     Seems pretty unlikely
23:00 Jordach         Evergreen, nolan_, PilzAdam: that is the work of three days on that model; it shows mouth actions, the flexible arms, moving eyes, eyebrows and moving eyes
23:00 MinetestBot     GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Allow multiple 'wherein' nodes in oredef 0b77588e87 2013-08-01T15:55:16-07:00 http://git.io/5UfwEw
23:00 VanessaE        there it goes.
23:00 marktraceur     I blame the schools
23:01 PilzAdam        marktraceur, yea, its the schools fault that I dont know that the plural of man is men...
23:01 Jordach         VanessaE, you moved my post in trash; im deleting it
23:01 VanessaE        Jordach: the bendy arms/legs should be more confined to knees/elbows
23:01 VanessaE        I did?  what post and when?
23:02 Jordach         the vps thing
23:02 VanessaE        I did?
23:02 PilzAdam        Jordach, btw, that is 640p
23:02 PilzAdam        not 1080
23:02 Jordach         PilzAdam, blame MG
23:02 VanessaE        actually the whole thread got moved, wasn't me
23:03 PilzAdam        no, I blame you
23:04 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/LE5ipzW.png
23:05 Jordach         the render took SIX HOURS.
23:05 Jordach         i will probably do my real video in 200 frames a piece
23:05 Jordach         so renders arent forever
23:07 marktraceur     PilzAdam: And that you don't use apostrophes properly
23:07 Jordach         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRchUwaZ6YA <- a mc animator; notice the closeness of my model to his
23:08 PilzAdam        marktraceur, no, thats just lazyness
23:08 marktraceur     It's hard to distinguish laziness from ignorance over plain text communication
23:08 Jordach         haha
23:08 marktraceur     Impossible, you might say
23:08 Jordach         zing!
23:09 * marktraceur   looks puzzled at Jordach
23:09 marktraceur     Valid point, I'd say
23:14 kaeza           [19:49:11] <Jordach> i play sims 2; live three days then die by being crushed by a satellite
23:14 kaeza           http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53117/sims-safety
23:14 nolan_          IRC is fun but every question i have asked i don't get the proper answer i need
23:15 VanessaE        "I'm sorry, our responses are limited.  You must ask the right questions."
23:16 nolan_          How is there any *right question*
23:16 nolan_          A question is a question it cannot be right or wrong
23:17 kaeza           nolan_, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
23:17 VanessaE        movie reference FAIL
23:17 kaeza           yup :P
23:17 nolan_          wow now i got a bunch of crap to read -_-
23:18 kaeza           lel
23:18 nolan_          i do not get u people
23:19 VanessaE        nolan_: what were your questions?
23:19 * kaeza         puts an 'y' and an 'o' on nolan_'s head
23:20 Evergreen       :O  I see trackmania stadium on your desktop Jordach.
23:20 Evergreen       :D
23:20 Jordach         you can smell the open source
23:20 Jordach         MCSkin3D is OSS
23:20 nolan_          A serialization error has occured: unsupported nodebox version  this server is probably running on a different version of mintest. -------How do i find this new version and get it, and if i do may i still connect to ones who havent updated?
23:20 Evergreen       I still love trackmania though
23:20 nolan_          Just wondering, how come somtimes peoples names are red and mostly black though?
23:21 VanessaE        nolan_:  http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-c6cb97e-win32.7z
23:21 VanessaE        use that.
23:21 nolan_          i downloaded it
23:21 VanessaE        for colored names, that's entirely up to your IRC client
23:21 Jordach         nolan_, download and extract a developer build; https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727
23:21 Jordach         nolan_, red is when someone says your name
23:21 Jordach         black is when someone doesnt
23:21 Jordach         red nolan_
23:21 Jordach         see>
23:21 VanessaE        for me, yellow when someone says my name, light grey otherwise
23:22 VanessaE        (I use a terminal-like light-on-black scheme)
23:22 kaeza           for me, I don't know
23:22 Jordach         pfff
23:22 VanessaE        kaeza: *poke*
23:22 Jordach         i prefer green kaeza
23:22 kaeza           <-- colorblind
23:22 VanessaE        oh right
23:22 Jordach         wait what
23:22 VanessaE        forgot
23:22 Evergreen       Jordach:  Suggestion about the player model.  I don't like the way the whole arm bends along a single curve.   Make it so that something smooths the gap in the joint
23:22 VanessaE        Evergreen: [08-01 19:05] <VanessaE> Jordach: the bendy arms/legs should be more confined to knees/elbows
23:22 Evergreen       Like in the video you mentioned
23:22 Jordach         Evergreen, it's based from taoki's model used in the current game
23:23 VanessaE        Jordach: base it on stu's bendy arms-and-knees model
23:23 nolan_          VanessaE i downloaded it, opened the file, how is that helping me?
23:23 Evergreen       What vanessaE said
23:23 Jordach         VanessaE, two separate joints cant be smooth
23:23 kaeza           https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202013-08-01%2020%3A22%3A31.png
23:23 VanessaE        nolan_: download it, *extract it to your desktop*, open the folder, and run the bin/minetest program
23:23 Jordach         in blender, faces are stretched when the faces are attached to other faces
23:23 VanessaE        Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86858#p86858
23:23 Jordach         thats why i've had to do it this way
23:24 Evergreen       They are in the minecraft animation.    I suppose it would be difficult though
23:24 Jordach         VanessaE, i've talked to the boys in #blender
23:24 Evergreen       Considering Slamazow uses Autodesk Maya
23:24 Jordach         the arms are subdivided like hell to get that effect
23:24 Jordach         brb
23:24 Evergreen       *Slamacow
23:25 Jordach         Evergreen, i wont get that far in blender, but i've done well
23:25 Evergreen       Yes, you have.   Maybe someone more experienced could give it a go
23:25 VanessaE        Jordach: someone, I forget who (might have been stu) had it figured out ages ago
23:25 Evergreen       You did a great job with it Jordach
23:25 Jordach         VanessaE, pavel_s
23:25 VanessaE        ok
23:26 Evergreen       Oh yes, pavel_s is awesome
23:26 nolan_          VanessaE so i just have the file open while playing game?
23:26 Jordach         idk how he did it. but i'll take a gander
23:26 VanessaE        nolan_: no
23:26 VanessaE        you just have to run the minetest binary that's in the bin folder
23:27 nolan_          VanessaE with your explanation that's how i took it
23:27 Jordach         VanessaE, ah, pavel's model uses inverse kinetics
23:27 nolan_          what the hell is a minetest binary
23:27 Jordach         which isnt very easy to work with
23:28 VanessaE        nolan_: a "binary" is a program file, basically anything that isn't an image, text, or video
23:28 VanessaE        inside the "bin" folder are two programs, minetest and minetestserver.
23:28 VanessaE        launch the "minetest" one and that's all you should need to do.
23:29 PilzAdam        who the fuck deleted my post in the wallpaper topic?
23:29 Jordach         uh oh
23:29 Jordach         pavel's model isnt a full model
23:29 nolan_          ll i did is click the file, it went to my desktop, and now i just play i do not do anything else?
23:29 Jordach         it's made of separate cubes
23:29 nolan_          all i did*
23:29 VanessaE        nolan_: what do you mean it "went to your desktop"?
23:29 PilzAdam        Jordach, ?
23:29 VanessaE        you mean you downloaded it?
23:30 nolan_          yes i clicked it, this file went to my desktop.
23:30 VanessaE        ok, now extract it.
23:30 Jordach         PilzAdam, his arms fold at the elbows
23:30 PilzAdam        did you deleted my post in the wallpaper topic?
23:30 kaeza           did it died?
23:31 nolan_          Extract? you guys need to know when trying to help me to keep it at a 5 year old level, im pretty stupid
23:31 VanessaE        nolan_: to "extract" means to take a zip, 7z, tar.bz2, etc file and uncompress it back to its original folder and save that uncompressed folder somewhere, like your desktop
23:31 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/V0SqAGz.png
23:31 Jordach         spot the difference
23:32 VanessaE        in the one on the left, the elbows/knees look much more natural
23:32 Jordach         VanessaE, exactly
23:32 Jordach         i've not found a way to bend it like so
23:33 Jordach         hold on
23:34 nolan_          VanessaE> nolan_: to "extract" means to take a zip, 7z, tar.bz2, etc file and uncompress it back to its original folder and save that uncompressed folder somewhere, like your desktop ------------ that did not help me at all for i said keep it at like a low low level im stupid
23:34 Jordach         i now understand how his arms / legs work
23:34 kaeza           nolan_, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp5140624
23:34 VanessaE        nolan_: I can't explain it any better than that.
23:34 PilzAdam        Jordach, delete it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103329#p103329
23:34 Evergreen       Aww, I really like Pavel_s's model
23:34 Evergreen       :(
23:34 nolan_          kaeza im not reading that
23:34 VanessaE        these are standard internet terms that have been in use for 30 years.  you need to learn them.
23:34 VanessaE        s/internet/computer/
23:35 VanessaE        nolan_: you need to uncompress the file you downloaded.
23:35 VanessaE        you cannot just "open" it.
23:35 Jordach         Edit By Jordach: The forums should allow people to comment, that's basically a communism in a nutshell. People can speak if they wish.
23:35 VanessaE        nolan_: maybe you need this:  http://www.7-zip.org/
23:35 Evergreen       *sigh* just right click the .7z file and click on the thing that says "Extrcat"
23:35 Jordach         i'm defending PilzAdam; shit.
23:35 Evergreen       *extract
23:36 VanessaE        Evergreen:  "extract"
23:36 Evergreen       Ik, just bad spelling
23:36 PilzAdam        thexyz, Jordach is abusing his moderator privs
23:36 VanessaE        Jordach: oh fuck!  the world is gonna end!
23:36 VanessaE        :)
23:36 Jordach         deleted post
23:36 Jordach         ghost post
23:37 Evergreen       A real ghost post is one with text colored like the background.  :P
23:37 VanessaE        nolan_: download that 7zip program and use it to extract the file you downloaded.
23:37 VanessaE        nolan_: download that 7zip program and use it to extract the minetest* file you downloaded.
23:39 nolan_          do i really need to download all this shit?
23:39 VanessaE        nolan_: this is how compressed files have worked since they were first invented.
23:39 bas080          Some things never change?
23:40 nolan_          i know darn well that i do not need to download that to extract or uncompress anything
23:40 VanessaE        nolan_: some formats like Zip are handled natively by Windows now, but some stuff is not.
23:40 VanessaE        7z is not Zip.  unless Windows will let you extract the file and save it out as a folder fill of new files, you need to download 7zip and use that.
23:41 Jordach         good news everyone! i might have worked out how to do the bendy arms
23:42 nolan_          okay i just got this thing i downloaded into an unzipped folder
23:42 bas080          Jordach, first see then believe
23:42 VanessaE        ok
23:42 VanessaE        open the folder
23:42 nolan_          Im following ya
23:43 VanessaE        in the folder, do you see stuff like mods, old, games, bin, etc?
23:43 hmmmm           www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-dies-in-car-accident
23:43 nolan_          no in the folder is just exactly what i downloaded
23:43 VanessaE        (well I'm not sure what all that particular build has, but you get the point)
23:43 VanessaE        hmmmm: 404.
23:43 hmmmm           aww :(
23:43 hmmmm           you didn't have to say that out loud
23:44 VanessaE        heh, sorry :)
23:44 VanessaE        nolan_: screenshot please?
23:45 nolan_          oh great now i have to ask more questions, how do i gpost screenies here
23:45 VanessaE        nolan_: upload them to some place like flickr, imgur, or whatever your favorite image site is
23:45 nolan_          post*
23:45 VanessaE        post a link here.
23:46 Evergreen       Good job jordach.  ;-)
23:47 nolan_          screw this u guys are no help
23:47 VanessaE        hey now
23:47 VanessaE        well fine
23:47 VanessaE        LEARN TO USE YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER!!!
23:47 VanessaE        G*D DAMN IT ALL!
23:47 PilzAdam        lol, VanessaE @ Capslock rage
23:48 PilzAdam        good job nolan
23:48 Exio4           hi nolan_
23:48 Exio4           wb
23:48 arthelmath      yea hell
23:48 arthelmath      hello
23:49 arthelmath      arthelmath is my secondary name
23:49 Exio4           http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp5140624
23:49 Exio4           more like, read the whole document
23:49 arthelmath      u have posted that 3 times, im not going to read it
23:49 Exio4           you asked 3 times wrong, nobody is going to answer you either :)
23:49 VanessaE        arthelmath: these are fundamental computer terms and skills - uploading images, unzipping files, etc.  you need to learn this stuff.
23:49 arthelmath      im 14 what do u expect ?
23:50 VanessaE        I have little tolerance for people who want to use a computer but refuse to learn.
23:50 Exio4           hey man
23:50 Exio4           that isn't an excuse, you know? :)
23:50 VanessaE        I started computing when I was 11.
23:50 khonkhortisan   I know I'm just a pathetic newbie loser, but... that's the first time I've seen that link.
23:50 Exio4           6 here :3
23:50 khonkhortisan   I started earlier, idk when
23:50 PilzAdam        with 14 I coded java
23:50 arthelmath      im always stuck in my room
23:50 VanessaE        arthelmath: we expect you to learn. :P
23:50 khonkhortisan   somewhere around kindergarten
23:51 khonkhortisan   reader rabbit is better than kindergarten
23:51 PilzAdam        btw, "<VanessaE> LEARN TO USE YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER!!!" >> EpicQuotes.txt
23:51 VanessaE        yup
23:51 Exio4           we need a quote database!
23:51 Exio4           ;P
23:51 PilzAdam        now "<DanDuncombe> Dammit! stupid question..." has a friend :-)
23:51 bas080          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1011544443.png
23:51 bas080          can anyone tell what that is?
23:51 bas080          I made it btw
23:51 VanessaE        bas080: an ironing board
23:52 Kacey           looks like an ironing board
23:52 VanessaE        not sure what the rack is on the left.
23:52 Exio4           it is PilzAdam and a pony
23:52 bas080          indeed. it's for haning clothes
23:52 Exio4           nah, i don't know ;P
23:52 PilzAdam        Exio4, read as "it is a pony and a pony"
23:52 Exio4           ew D:
23:52 PilzAdam        thats probably grey and blue wool and really far viewing range
23:53 bas080          Ive been making nodeboxes within minetest lately.
23:53 bas080          I'll show you what i made
23:53 Evergreen       When I was 12, I knew more about computers than you nolan
23:53 khonkhortisan   I would show you what I'm making, but it's not the same as when it's finished.
23:53 VanessaE        arthelmath: translation of PilzAdam's quote of me, computers are not just "turn it on and it works like magic".  you must learn how to use them properly, people do not like having to "dumb down" their instructions/advice for people who refuse to learn.
23:53 bas080          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1011664417.png
23:53 khonkhortisan   I can think of someone on another channel like that
23:53 arthelmath      im TRYING  to learn and im not getting help
23:53 Kacey           ^^^
23:54 Evergreen       People are trying to help you
23:54 bas080          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1011704150.png
23:54 PilzAdam        arthelmath, you have to learn on your own, dont annoy others with it
23:54 Kacey           arthelmath, check your PM i will help you
23:54 arthelmath      and im getting websites that have nothing to do with this
23:54 VanessaE        arthelmath: now.  go download 7zip.  Use it to EXTRACT [-] the minetest*.7z file you downloaded.  Save the results to a new folder on your Desktop.  Open the folder, and you should find "games", "mods", "bin", and a number of other things.  Open "bin".  Launch "minetest".
23:54 khonkhortisan   If you have a command-line image processor, you can have just-in-time one-pixel textures.
23:55 Evergreen       I basically tought myself computers nolan.  ::P
23:55 Kacey           ^
23:55 arthelmath      look im not even going to try ill be sitting here for 2 hours i know it, ill just wait till a new 0.4.8 version comes out then i woun;'t have to deal with this crap
23:55 khonkhortisan   I had some help when I learned
23:55 VanessaE        arthelmath: the same thing will happen with 0.4.8
23:55 khonkhortisan   if you're not going to try then you don't need help?
23:55 arthelmath      i have been using computers for about half a year -_-
23:55 Evergreen       I admit, I had a little help
23:55 VanessaE        and every other damn program you download that comes as a .zip or .7z or whatever.
23:55 VanessaE        YOU MUST EXTRACT THE COMPRESSED FILE BEFORE YOU CAN USE IT.
23:55 VanessaE        that is a hard and fast rule.
23:55 Evergreen       But i wasn't annoying people on minetest irc with it
23:56 bas080          Evergreen, i still don't know crap!
23:56 VanessaE        Sometimes Windows can do that on its own, sometimes it can't.
23:56 VanessaE        blame sfan5 for using 7zip
23:56 arthelmath      does it matter? people all get help different ways
23:56 khonkhortisan   Isn't there some kind of pop-up that says "unrecognized file format. Have windows search for an appropriate program to open it with?"?
23:56 Jordach         AHA
23:56 Kacey           VanessaE, almost always with .zip format
23:56 VanessaE        Kacey: I thought so.
23:56 Evergreen       SFAN5 please use zip so it will make our lives a lot easier
23:56 VanessaE        been years since I touched a windows box.
23:56 Evergreen       d:
23:56 PilzAdam        khonkhortisan, AFAIK it never found a correct program
23:56 Jordach         the method i used does do it like pavel_s did; but it aint as smooth..........yet
23:57 Evergreen       Keep at it jordach
23:57 Evergreen       :D
23:57 khonkhortisan   I get a dialog like that when firefox opens lua
23:57 khonkhortisan   or was it kate?
23:57 PilzAdam        7z had ~5MiB while zip has ~8MiB for Minetest builds
23:57 PilzAdam        I understand why sfan5 uses 7z
23:57 arthelmath      ShadowNinja
23:57 VanessaE        3MB difference ain't worth the headaches.
23:57 khonkhortisan   ShadowBot
23:58 Evergreen       Actually, .tar.gz does a better job  of compressing
23:58 PilzAdam        Evergreen, no
23:58 VanessaE        use .tbz2 - windows handles that doesn't it
23:58 VanessaE        ?
23:58 khonkhortisan   VanessaE, it is if 7zip fits in 3MB
23:58 PilzAdam        VanessaE, sfan5 hosts all these builds on his own computer AFAIK
23:59 Evergreen       That changes a lot.  :P
23:59 Jordach         i know how to do the model; but i'm off to bed
23:59 VanessaE        my .deb builds always hovered around 6MB, run-in-place builds were about 14, but that's for Linux and I think the latter includes the source code.
23:59 Evergreen       Good night jordach.  ;)
23:59 Evergreen       Whoops. a little to late