Time Nick Message 00:04 Jordach bones need to disappear when emptied 00:04 Jordach rather than just sit there 00:28 * Kacey needs to find lava... 00:36 Jordach that doesnt sound good at all 00:36 Jordach anyways, be there soon 00:37 Jordach ort 00:37 Jordach oops 00:38 Jordach Kacey, will need to drop the server for a min to add updates 00:41 Kacey im taking a break real quick 00:42 Kacey there needs to be a firestarter tool 00:44 Jordach Kacey, server reboot within 15 seconds 00:45 Jordach Kacey, i need to reboot 00:45 Kacey go ahead 00:45 Jordach terminated and reloaded 00:51 VanessaE hi all 00:51 NekoGloopMkII meow 00:52 VanessaE meow 00:52 NekoGloopMkII :C 00:52 VanessaE ? 00:52 * MinetestBot pets NekoGloopMkII 00:53 NekoGloopMkII how dare you call me that 00:53 * NekoGloopMkII disgruntled purr 00:53 * MinetestBot pets harder 00:53 * NekoGloopMkII dies 00:53 * MinetestBot wins 00:53 * NekoGloopMkII haunts MinetestBot 00:57 Jordach hey VanessaE 00:57 VanessaE hi 00:57 Jordach /deop VanessaE 00:57 PilzAdam !deop VanessaE 00:57 Jordach or that 00:57 VanessaE heh, didn't realize I still had that on. 00:57 Jordach lol 00:57 VanessaE been out all day at the auto mechanic :-/ 00:58 NekoGloopMkII !derp VanessaE 00:58 Jordach now, PilzAdam - i have a merge thats waiting 00:58 VanessaE as have I. 00:58 Jordach ;) 00:58 PilzAdam wait 00:58 PilzAdam you say "auto" in english too? 00:58 Jordach yes 00:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: yes. as in short for "automobile" 00:58 Jordach automaton 00:58 Jordach automatic 00:58 Jordach automagic 00:59 PilzAdam I know what it means, its used in german too 00:59 VanessaE oh ok 00:59 PilzAdam just thought you call it "car" 00:59 VanessaE today's a day when I wish I DIDN'T know what it means 00:59 * VanessaE is over $300 poorer today :( 01:00 VanessaE usually "car", but in certain situations, "auto" is used (typically for a mechanic, e.g. "auto repair" or "auto body", or a dealership e.g. "auto dealer") 01:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/64/MapgenV7map1.png 01:00 VanessaE saw it 01:00 NekoGloopMkII I'm pretty sure it's of German origin so that would make sense 01:00 VanessaE looks a bit like the coast of Greenland 01:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, what car do you have? 01:02 VanessaE 1992 Cadillac Sedan deVilla 01:02 VanessaE deVille* 01:02 Jordach <- Nissan 01:02 VanessaE it's a typical big-box american gas hog ;) 01:02 PilzAdam Y U NO GERMAN CAR?!?!?! 01:03 VanessaE because it cost US $500 to buy it 01:03 VanessaE (granted we've spent a bundle over the years on repairs on maintenance, but still cheaper than a new car) 01:03 Jordach does PilzAdam have a Hummer 01:03 Jordach :> 01:04 PilzAdam I dont have a car (yet) 01:04 Jordach im at the legal age to drive 01:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: consider yourself lucky that you don't need one 01:04 Exio [21:59:13] I know what it means, its used in german too 01:04 Exio spanish too 01:04 Exio in argentina, at least 01:04 PilzAdam Im currently making my driving license 01:04 Exio i can't yet, i need to be 17 :( 01:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, I got something better than a car: parents with a car that drive me arround :-p 01:05 Exio lol 01:05 VanessaE haha 01:05 dzho fsvo "better" 01:05 PilzAdam http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Audi_A6_C6_2.0_TDI_front_20100430.jpg 01:05 Jordach except your the SatNag 01:05 Jordach i still prefer Swedish Volvo's 01:06 * dzho loves him some TDI 01:06 PilzAdam http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/VW_Golf_VI_1.4_TSI_160PS_Comfortline_Reflexsilber.JPG 01:06 PilzAdam ^ these are the two cars my parents have 01:06 Jordach funny thing: a Van crashed into a Volvo, the van was killed, the Volvo suffered a cracked front bumper 01:06 dzho I wish it were easier to get Diesels in the US 01:06 VanessaE Audi A6, nice. 01:07 Jordach verrry niiiceee 01:07 VanessaE dzho: a diesel series hybrid would be wonderful to see. 01:07 PilzAdam fun fact: VW produces more sausages than cars 01:07 VanessaE (other than in a locomotive that is) 01:07 dzho right 01:07 Jordach PilzAdam, say what 01:07 Exio we had a hyundai elantra before 01:07 Exio it was pretty l33t 01:08 Jordach Nissan LEAF ftw 01:08 Kacey dzho, it is pretty easy in colorado, that and pot lol 01:08 VanessaE Jordach: all-electric is great, but a plug-in series hybrid is best 01:08 VanessaE (that way there's no worry about range, but it can be drive on pure electric in town) 01:08 VanessaE driven*( 01:09 Jordach VanessaE, considering its cheaper to use Diesel Generators 01:09 Jordach to power them 01:09 Exio you can get diesel cars here "pretty easy" :P 01:09 dzho it blows my mind there aren't more hybrid retrofits for city buses. 01:09 VanessaE Jordach: exactly my point. 01:09 dzho those things are starting and stopping *all* the time. 01:09 VanessaE diesel specifically, because you can't very easily convert a petrol engine to run on biodiesel. 01:09 dzho so, much to be gained from regenerative braking 01:10 dzho biodiesel is a bit skeevy though 01:10 dzho on a large scale, that is. 01:10 PilzAdam LOL, the german wikipedia has articles about _single_ autobahnen: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn_A7 01:10 VanessaE true, but if we could ramp up oil -> gas/diesel, we can do it with biodiesel also 01:10 VanessaE it's all a matter of want vs. greed 01:11 dzho well, the potential size of the transport fuel market could have major negative impacts on food supply. Already there are problems with palm kernel oil plantations. 01:11 VanessaE so don't use food-based oils 01:11 VanessaE use switchgrass, hemp, etc. 01:12 VanessaE there's plenty of land to grow on 01:12 VanessaE and of course hemp has certain other uses ;) 01:12 Exio land 01:12 dzho if it can grow fuel, it can grow food. 01:12 Exio the land is getting "precious" with time 01:12 dzho already, a lot of food crops are grown with huge petrochemical inputs. 01:12 VanessaE dzho: yes, but we grow enough food now, we just don't distribute it fairly enough 01:12 dzho possibly 01:13 VanessaE I mean shit, we PAY farmers to NOT grow food. 01:13 Exio where 01:13 dzho Exio: US and Europe 01:13 * Exio lives in Argentina 01:13 dzho price supports 01:13 VanessaE Exio: common practice in the US to... yeah, what dzho said. 01:13 Exio itgrows here 01:13 Exio er 01:13 Exio the food grows here* 01:14 * Jordach lights the doobie 01:14 Exio i tried to delete the "it" and rewrote that, :P 01:14 VanessaE Jordach: puff, puff, give! 01:14 Jordach im mining the long hard way man 01:15 PilzAdam how do you say the plural of "Autobahn" in English? 01:16 VanessaE PilzAdam: Autobahns 01:16 PilzAdam heh 01:16 VanessaE though usually we refer to the whole system as "the Autobahn", or "the X Autobahn" for countr X 01:16 VanessaE country* 01:16 PilzAdam correct would be Autobahnen 01:17 Kacey VanessaE, if you need hemp or pot, colorado has it. we just passed the law making it legal... 01:17 VanessaE in German yeah, but in English, Autobahn has become something of a "borrow" word. 01:17 VanessaE Kacey: I know. 01:17 PilzAdam do you say Kindergartens too? 01:17 VanessaE ditto for Washington state. 01:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: yep. 01:17 * PilzAdam smiles 01:17 VanessaE Children of that age are "Kindergarteners" 01:18 Exio how the fuck you pronounce those words :D 01:18 VanessaE kin duhr gar den erz 01:18 VanessaE (we soften the 't' to 'd') 01:18 Exio that is in english? :P 01:18 Kacey yep 01:18 VanessaE well as much English as a German word can be :P) 01:18 VanessaE :P 01:18 PilzAdam its actually an german word 01:18 VanessaE Kacey: good luck keeping the feds off your ass though 01:18 Kacey an german... 01:18 Exio but i mean, "kin duhr gar den erz" 01:19 PilzAdam and the english speaking people pronounce it wrong 01:19 Exio like you were pronouncing it in english or german? 01:19 Kacey VanessaE, lol that is true 01:19 * Exio is trying to understand how you pronounce that word 01:19 Exio man, spanish is easier! ;P 01:19 VanessaE Exio: that's how English speakers usually pronounce it 01:20 VanessaE as if "kindergarden" 01:20 VanessaE (which I presume means "children's garden" or so) 01:22 PilzAdam Exio, http://www.dict.cc/?s=kindergarten 01:22 sokomine literally translated, yes 01:23 PilzAdam here you have the englisch and the german way 01:23 sokomine but don't confuse english and german gift - they're quite diffrent 01:24 VanessaE how so? 01:24 PilzAdam sokomine, thats why I say "present" 01:24 sokomine the german word "Gift" means poison 01:24 VanessaE eek 01:24 * sokomine nods to pilzadam 01:24 sokomine iirc there's even a proverb called "beware of germans bearing gifts" :) 01:25 PilzAdam VanessaE, also in german we call a cell phone "Handy" 01:25 Exio in german it sounds like kindagátten 01:26 VanessaE a "handy" eh? 01:26 VanessaE we usually reserve that word for something that is within easy reach 01:26 sokomine the english word gift probably comes from "to give". we do have a similar word, though it's nowerdays only used in cases where you want to say that you have a special ability/capability (i.e. are gifted in art). that would be "Gabe". it is also an old word for present 01:26 Exio we use the "handy" terms for the "short-range pseudo-phones that you press a button and it relays with radio to a radius around" or w/e :P 01:26 ShadowNinja Is there a way to do x:dostuff(y) --> xstuff.dostuff(x, y) in Lua with metatables? Probably with __index or __call. 01:26 PilzAdam so, if you ever meet someone who says "do you have a handy?" then hes german and wants a cell phone ;-) 01:27 VanessaE I'll try to remember 01:27 sokomine yes, we always call those things handys. that's a word that got adapted wrongly 01:28 PilzAdam another good example of germans trying to adapt english words, is "Somking", we usually mean "Tuxedo" by this 01:28 sokomine exio: those are not really used here anymore. there was a time when they where popular amongst young people, but today phone calls got cheap enough 01:29 Exio sokomine: i remember some people using those at job-related places 01:29 Exio (when i was child (<10)) 01:29 sokomine ah, ok 01:29 Exio i never saw people using those outside that :P 01:31 PilzAdam if someone thinks that minetest_game is too boring then try this without a crafting guide or looking at the sourcecode: https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest 01:31 Kacey we have "sloppers" where i live 01:31 sokomine prices for phone calls where for a long time very high in germany. it got a lot better now. a single minute could cost you more than a dollar (even if the call took only a few seconds) some years ago with prepaid cards. monthly paid versions where not that much better. that improved a lot in the recent years 01:32 Kacey i live in the home of the slopper 01:32 sokomine what are sloppers? 01:32 PilzAdam going to sleep now; bye 01:33 Exio sokomine: that stuff here is overpriced but now there are "30 ARS cards that give you 1k SMS free and 60 minutes for talking to everybody!" 01:33 Exio or free numbers in the same company 01:33 Exio (between personal <-> personal, movistar <-> movistar, or claro <-> claro) :P 01:33 Kacey http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2011/02/the-burger-lab-the-pueblo-slopper-and-how-to-make-pueblo-green-chili-colorado.html best food in the world 01:33 Kacey imho 01:34 sokomine allnet flatrates are starting to get popular here. flatrates withhin a network got relatively cheap, and even prepaid cards got relatively cheap (about 9 cent/minute) 01:35 sokomine but that was not so some years ago 01:39 * Kacey wants a slopper now... but Grey's is closed 01:40 Jordach i prefer Skype + WiFi; free and simple 01:44 Jordach what's the one fucking format GDrive doesnt export in? .doc 01:46 Jordach you are joking. 01:47 sokomine wifi is...difficult in germany. you can't offer free wlan to strangers because there is something called "Stoererhaftung". if someone uses your wlan to offer uploads to copyright protected content, lawyers will get rich and you poor 01:47 Jordach hi GEMA 01:48 sokomine yes, that one as well. so don't sing too loud :-) 01:49 Jordach German egits making almighty 01:49 Jordach (almighty = money, http://thesaurus.com/browse/money ) 01:50 Jordach omfg. GDrive can't even open a fucking rtf. 01:54 Jordach you. are. joking. 01:54 Jordach doesnt even edit .txt 02:16 ShadowNinja Nuke: Detonated with range 128 in 91.36s. 02:17 ShadowNinja I think this can take out biomes... 02:19 NekoGloopMkII Meow 02:21 ShadowNinja http://imgur.com/cOcbTZY 02:23 ShadowNinja hmmmm: There is a glitch where blocks near the explosion are carved out with bigger ranges. 02:23 ShadowNinja I don't see how it could be me... 02:24 ShadowNinja Code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5851500/ 02:26 * sokomine takes the fire away from shadowninja! 02:26 ShadowNinja LOL. 02:27 ShadowNinja Hard to tell at that range but it has randomness now. 02:29 ShadowNinja And: Detonated with range 96 in 16.39ms. Detonated with range 48 in 2.88ms. 02:29 ShadowNinja s/ms/s/g 02:29 hmmmm what's the glitch.... 02:33 ShadowNinja hmmmm: Close up: http://imgur.com/2yStCza Nyancats and lava are unaffected by the deletion... 02:33 hmmmm it could be that those parts of the map didn't exist yet 02:34 ShadowNinja Yes, probably the case. 02:35 hmmmm well, if that's the case, then it's basically impossible to 'fix' 02:36 ShadowNinja hmmmm: minetest.generate(p1, p2)? 02:38 ShadowNinja (load/emerge/whatever) 02:39 hmmmm again, not possible. 02:40 ShadowNinja Why not? 02:40 hmmmm because then the server thread would need to wait for the emerge thread 02:42 ShadowNinja Warning: Run around before detonating the big stuff... 02:44 ShadowNinja You can make MC-style cannons with this BTW. 02:44 ShadowNinja (At least as soon as I clean up that code) 05:25 RealBadAngel hi there 05:25 RealBadAngel whats up? 05:35 ShadowNinja Hello RealBadAngel. Can you try using git submodules for technic? It would cut out a lot of code duplication. 05:37 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, idk how to make it yet 05:37 RealBadAngel if you know you can take care of it 05:39 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-Tools-Submodules A little busy ATM. 05:39 Nore hi all 05:39 RealBadAngel hi Nore 05:39 Nore RealBadAngel: do you find the computer a bit laggy? 05:40 RealBadAngel i just posted a comment in technic_game issues 05:40 Nore because for now, it does a lot of unnecessary Lua-C calls 05:40 RealBadAngel i just downloaded it, i had a night shift and came back an hour ago 05:40 Nore I will split it (not complicated, just a matter of digilines ;) 05:41 Nore For now, I just use a backport of Lua bit32 library 05:41 RealBadAngel so i will prepare all the items, crafts and textures 05:41 Nore but I could program it entirely in C, which will be much faster 05:42 RealBadAngel but it works, so for starters its good, you can improve it later 05:42 Nore the screen will just connect to digilines, as will the disks, etc. 05:42 Nore the only thing that I can not make with digilines will be extra memory 05:42 Nore but we can let it as it is for now 05:43 RealBadAngel well, i thought slightly different way 05:43 Nore what was your idea? 05:43 RealBadAngel floppy, monitor, cpu, memory and io can only connect to each other 05:43 RealBadAngel without cables 05:43 RealBadAngel so no visual connection just check for presence 05:44 Nore well, I reckon digiline is more realistic 05:44 Nore And it is easier to program too 05:44 RealBadAngel and digilines could connect to IO expanders 05:44 RealBadAngel i know the way how to do it 05:45 Nore right now, fo IO, you need to use a mesecon-to-digiline converter 05:45 RealBadAngel i mean how to setup a PC 05:45 Nore or a digiline-to-mesecon converter for output 05:45 RealBadAngel use graph method like for wires 05:46 RealBadAngel and then check graph if it has all of the elements present 05:46 RealBadAngel easy to code 05:46 Nore not as easy as it will with digilines, I reckon 05:47 RealBadAngel believe me, piece of cake 05:47 RealBadAngel i can do it 05:47 Nore and the advantage is, with digilines, that you can for example program the computer, then take the screen, and the computer will still function 05:47 RealBadAngel up to you 05:47 RealBadAngel its your computer, you decide 05:48 Nore or that you can make a bunch of computers, and only one screen to control them 05:48 RealBadAngel thats neat 05:48 RealBadAngel so your way? 05:49 Nore screens receive and send digiline signals, and things that are treated as special in the code for screens only become normal digiline IO 05:49 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add vector helpers ae8ff4b8e2 2013-07-06T22:49:11-07:00 http://git.io/PZpW7w 05:49 RealBadAngel oke 05:50 RealBadAngel so what elements shall i add? 05:50 RealBadAngel from the list i mentioned earlier 05:51 Nore_ hi again, sorry, browser crash 05:52 RealBadAngel Nore, repeat: from the list i mentioned earlier 05:52 RealBadAngel so what elements shall i add? 05:52 Nore_ RealBadAngel: you should add a screen, disks (that will store information in item metadata) and things to read/write information from/to a disk 05:53 RealBadAngel so, monitor, floppy disk, disk drive 05:53 Nore_ and I will perhaps make a bootloader instead of hardcoding the memory 05:53 RealBadAngel cpu? 05:53 Nore_ needs textures for it 05:54 MinetestBot GIT: vheuken commited to minetest/minetest: include mathconstants.h in numerics.cpp 39ab22070e 2013-07-06T22:52:43-07:00 http://git.io/UPzqiQ 05:54 RealBadAngel for start i will add all the crafting recipes, textures and just definitions 05:55 RealBadAngel you can use them easily then 05:56 Nore_ ok, thanks 05:58 RealBadAngel i know from my own experience that this simple task takes most of the project time 05:59 RealBadAngel 5,25 or 3,5 floppy? 05:59 nore I don't even know the difference between both, so choose the one you think is best 06:01 RealBadAngel hehe, that was the size of floppy disk, in inches 06:01 RealBadAngel we can even go hardcore for 3 inches ones 06:01 RealBadAngel http://www4.pcmag.com/media/images/254128-3-inch-compact-floppy.jpg 06:01 nore ok 06:03 RealBadAngel this one was used by Amstrad CPC 6128 and Timex disk drive (for ZX spectrum compatible clone) 06:12 StarBlessed http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/27/article-1269142-09524915000005DC-664_468x224.jpg 06:15 VanessaE You did what? to who? for HOW many cookies? 06:15 VanessaE ;) 06:31 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Handle 0 vectors in vector.normalize() 07715b1b6a 2013-07-06T23:29:09-07:00 http://git.io/q5ybSw 07:55 Octupus Hi 07:56 PenguinDad Hi species with eight legs. 08:06 kaeza mornings 08:06 RealBadAngel hi 08:06 RealBadAngel kaeza, i suggest checkin technic_game repo 08:07 kaeza updates? :3 08:07 RealBadAngel lotsa candies ;) 08:07 kaeza pulled 08:08 kaeza let's see what this breaks :D 08:08 RealBadAngel hehehhe 08:08 RealBadAngel on how the biggest candy work, ask nore 08:09 kaeza new textures :O 08:09 RealBadAngel that too 08:09 RealBadAngel no more 16x in technic_game 08:09 RealBadAngel 16x will be aviable only in technic modpack 08:10 RealBadAngel but game will have own style, different from minetest_game 08:13 RealBadAngel mainly because it has so many different objects that its almost impossible to create so many distinct textures for all of them, for the users being able to guess what are they lookin at 08:13 kaeza ah yes 08:14 RealBadAngel apart from feelin that theyre lookin at drunk picasso's piece of art 08:14 RealBadAngel 16x is just not enough 08:14 kaeza lol 08:14 kaeza you need a wiki for the mod 08:15 RealBadAngel i do 08:15 RealBadAngel we all do need it 08:15 kaeza there are so many machines that the user gets confuse4d about what can do what 08:15 RealBadAngel ObKo started to make the page 08:15 RealBadAngel long time ago 08:16 nore RealBadAngel: separed screens and CPU, it works! 08:16 RealBadAngel nore, cool 08:16 nore managed to make a password-protected door 08:16 nore committing the changes... 08:16 FreeFull A password-protected door is pretty cool 08:17 RealBadAngel nore, before i made any computer textures i decided (together with VanessaE) to drop 16x support for technic_game 08:17 RealBadAngel read above 08:18 RealBadAngel i was more than sick lookin at those ugly 16x pictures trying to pretend theyre textures 08:19 RealBadAngel 32x resolution has this advantage that image scaled down from higher ones still looks and feels the same 08:20 RealBadAngel and it is way easier to make interesting and nice textures 08:43 kaeza thexyz, around? 08:52 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/D7lWBNL.jpg 08:52 RealBadAngel this is how 32x texture pack looks like with enabled filtering x2 and bumpmapping 08:55 FreeFull I don't like the bumpmapping 08:55 FreeFull Nor the filtering 08:55 FreeFull I'd keep it as crisp pixels 08:55 RealBadAngel so dont turn them on :) 08:56 RealBadAngel i do love the effect 08:56 PenguinDad I don't like this effect. 08:57 kaeza .-. 08:57 RealBadAngel 2 against as the comment ;) thx folks :) 08:57 kaeza it looks cool 08:58 RealBadAngel 2:1 then :) 09:00 kaeza will look even cooler when HW lighting is implemented 09:01 * kaeza 's crapy graphics card doesn't support bumpmapping ;_; 09:02 kaeza hmm... it should though 09:03 kaeza I'm pretty sure Doom3 uses bumpmaps 09:03 FreeFull If you are going to do bumpmapping, you need to use a separate bumpmap rather than derive it from the picture 09:03 RealBadAngel FreeFull, it uses normal textures... 09:04 RealBadAngel you can create them using a script (fastest way) or one by one using proper software and fine tune them 09:05 FreeFull Deriving a bumpmap from a texture tends to look like shit 09:05 RealBadAngel from which you could make it? 09:05 FreeFull The bumpmap should be crafted manually, the same way the texture was 09:05 RealBadAngel they are bound to each other 09:06 kaeza FreeFull, how about you make the bumpmaps? 09:06 kaeza seriously, what is this shit 09:07 RealBadAngel Freefull, texture bumpmapping is made the exact way it should be done 09:07 PenguinDad kaeza, read this https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumpmapping 09:07 RealBadAngel except for it that there are no lightsources yet and thus it uses fixed light source 09:07 kaeza wtf 09:07 kaeza PenguinDad, I know what that is 09:08 RealBadAngel i suggest you to read shaders code before you start offending me 09:08 kaeza my point is that someone makes a cool feature, and then you crush their hopes with stupid naysays 09:09 FreeFull I haven't said anything about the shader 09:09 FreeFull I said that the bumpmaps themselves look horrible 09:09 FreeFull Especially that apple 09:09 RealBadAngel i said whats that 09:10 RealBadAngel thats effect of simply turnin on built in options on very small sized textures 09:10 RealBadAngel which any user can do easily 09:11 RealBadAngel for fine tuned normal maps please take a look at this screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#13 09:13 FreeFull That looks somewhat better, but definitely still far from perfect 09:14 RealBadAngel i am not gfx man, im a coder. i did my best 09:14 RealBadAngel and i like it 09:14 FreeFull Get a gfx man 09:14 RealBadAngel feel free to suprise me and make better stuff 09:15 RealBadAngel youre more than welcome to do so 09:15 FreeFull I tend to make graphics by writing code to generate them, and don't like bumpmaps in the first place, so probably aren't the right person to help out 09:16 RealBadAngel youre not likin them but have an opinion how they should be done and judging others 09:16 RealBadAngel not fair, dont you think? 09:17 RealBadAngel if you are not liking it please just dont use this option and let others have the eyecandies they do like 09:19 RealBadAngel thats what for configuration was made 09:21 kahrl the bumpmap shaders don't even compile for me 09:22 PenguinDad I like that you configure virtually everything in Minetest. 09:22 kaeza PenguinDad, NO! 09:22 kaeza lol 09:24 kaeza I just had a stupid idea to add to my computers mod 09:24 kaeza in-game Wiki :D 09:25 PenguinDad Cool kaeza. 09:25 kaeza the basic UI is done, and you can edit the main page 09:31 RealBadAngel kahrl, compile? 09:32 RealBadAngel whats the problem you have it exactly? 09:32 RealBadAngel *with 09:33 RealBadAngel ah i think i know whats your problem 09:33 RealBadAngel tell me what kind of GPU you have, os and drivers 09:36 RealBadAngel kaeza, theres github space dedicated for project's page 09:37 RealBadAngel some1 could make a wiki there 09:37 kaeza RealBadAngel, IK 09:37 kaeza I meant for random wikis for servers, etc 09:37 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/tree/gh-pages 09:38 kaeza just an "I am currently bored" kind of project 09:38 RealBadAngel lol 09:38 RealBadAngel m97 started to do a wiki 09:38 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/wiki 09:39 RealBadAngel not much yet but still 09:39 Taoki RealBadAngel: Any news from you on the fog code? 09:39 Taoki It seems the other developers are set on finging excuses or more things to do to deny it 09:40 FreeFull Is the fog broken? 09:42 Taoki FreeFull: No. People just find various reasons and suggested changes to never accept it 09:45 PenguinDad Hi Calinou ! 09:45 Taoki hi 09:46 Calinou hi 09:47 thexyz kaeza: yes 09:52 * Calinou has 2012 posts 09:52 Calinou 1 post to have current year :D 09:53 kaeza it's the end of the mayan post! 09:53 kaeza err.. whateva 09:53 Taoki If we hav Minetest by the time of Jesus, you would have needed to never post to have the current year :) 09:53 Taoki 0 posts 09:53 kahrl RealBadAngel: http://paste.dy.fi/Jn3 09:54 kahrl this makes them compile but I don't know if it breaks them: http://paste.dy.fi/JOz 09:55 kaeza thexyz, tab complete fail, sorry for pinging 09:55 kaeza (+ wrong chan) 09:57 kahrl os = gentoo linux, gpu = radeon hd 6850, driver = x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati-7.0.0 (open source driver) 09:58 kahrl brb 10:05 sfan5 hi 10:05 PenguinDad Hi 10:32 Calinou when will server list be fixed with formspec menu? and colors in credits? 10:42 whirm it would be nice if the coal generator could burn coal blocks 10:53 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:53 PenguinDad Hi! 10:53 Taoki hi hi 10:56 Jordach hey hey 10:58 Taoki Anyone here an op on #minetest-dev? 10:58 PilzAdam Taoki, yes? 10:59 Taoki I'd really want to see someone add this link to the topic, as dedication to a few of the devs: http://lostechies.com/derickbailey/2012/12/14/dear-open-source-project-leader-quit-being-a-jerk/ 10:59 Taoki It's an interesting article, which (no ill intention meant) matches the situation in Mineteest a bit IMO 11:01 thexyz Taoki: who's our "project leader"? 11:01 Taoki Doubt someone from the dev team would like that though. Still I couldn't help suggesting it as a "bible for Minetest development" 11:02 Taoki thexyz: celeron55 started the project. Not sure if he's a top leader now still. Not that I mind or not if he is, but as part of what I think 11:03 thexyz Taoki: right, but now he doesn't do much 11:04 Jordach the only person i think of as core team leaders are hmmmm and PA 11:04 Jordach because they both manage /minetest/minetest and PA manages minetest/minetest_game 11:04 rubenwardy I am back! 11:04 PilzAdam Jordach, dont forget kahrl, hes very active too 11:05 Jordach i forgot about kahrl -- he only recently came here 11:05 rubenwardy recently became active again 11:05 rubenwardy he is quite an old member, iirc 11:06 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/386108f982e3d0819f6a153d750f967c0b25268c 11:06 Jordach very old member 11:06 Jordach in fact, he's been here a real long time, he's been here since 0.2 days. 11:07 thexyz Taoki: did you actually read the article you linked to? 11:07 Taoki thexyz: Yeah 11:08 thexyz Taoki: alright, in that case please point me to someone "making fun of someone else trying to contribute" 11:08 Taoki It did remind me of Minetest's situation a bit, which I know isn't the best thing to say. I found it matching at least over past situations 11:08 Taoki thexyz: Maybe not always fun. But some of my contributions got raged at in the past. And I heard people upset that some of the devs are treating them a bit like fools 11:09 Taoki Won't give names since it's not for me to. If they wish to they can say who they are 11:09 Taoki Not sure how up to date that is at present time, but it happened not long ago 11:09 thexyz Taoki: feel free to PM me those names & links / chat logs 11:10 thexyz anything that can prove your point 11:10 Taoki Like I said, not for me to. They were discussions in PM. 11:10 Taoki If anyone feels like talking about it here though they can 11:10 PilzAdam Taoki, I guess you mean prestidigator (or whats his name?) and the like? 11:11 PilzAdam Taoki, do you actually understand the pull requests he wanted to get in? 11:11 * rubenwardy has 11 pages of unread topics 11:11 Taoki PilzAdam: Just gonna say there's a few of us that often "gather for a beer" in PM to talk about some of the discussions we have with the devs in some cases and that life is hard sometimes 11:11 Taoki Doesn't mean we hav eall evils in the world to complain about either 11:11 thexyz Taoki: how could you prove your point then? 11:12 Taoki PilzAdam: Also, it's not to say any pull request being denied is a bad thing. 11:12 Taoki thexyz: I didn't post that wit hthe purpose of instantly proving anything. I'm surprised it's not known there are a few tensions though. 11:12 thexyz I mean, most of time people say things like this because they can't get their pull request merged 11:12 thexyz Taoki: I don't get what you're talking about then 11:12 Taoki For clarifications, it's not over things like my fog code being denied. Even if I don't agree there are reasons pointed out for that and all 11:13 PilzAdam what I think happens is that people's pull requests get rejected (lets assume for good reasons), then they are frustrated, go to the forums and hate about the devs there; so for the "normal forum user", who hasnt seen/doesnt understand the pull request it seems like the devs are total jerks 11:14 Taoki thexyz: Just posted a link to a blog post which I thought would be a nice guide to have. Easiers way to get into it now :P 11:14 thexyz what a jerk! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=98483#p98483 11:14 thexyz Taoki: alright 11:15 Taoki thexyz: That sort of reply is something I'd usually nt encourage from a project admin, who (like that article said) should be an example. Not to judge, just what I think 11:16 Taoki Obviously, the comment being replied to is totally not one to take seriously 11:16 Taoki No doubt there 11:16 Taoki Though of course I dont' know who posted it or why, I only seen one post 11:16 Taoki So agauin can't judge more 11:18 Jordach ShadowNinja, you here 11:19 Jordach The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. 11:19 Jordach William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar" 11:22 * rubenwardy is rewriting the node box generator 11:22 Jordach rubenwardy, make it work this damn time 11:22 rubenwardy lol 11:25 Jordach cobblestone when mined should make gravel, as youre breaking smaller stones into dust 11:33 Jordach which then gravel becomes gravel on mining 11:34 PilzAdam sand 11:34 Jordach gravel -> sand? 11:34 PilzAdam yep, but only if you mine it with a pick 11:34 Jordach can we even do that? 11:34 PilzAdam sure 11:34 Jordach tools should have groups: pick, axe, shovel, sword, ho 11:35 Jordach e* 11:35 RealBadAngel funny fact, it appears that during my shaders experience i left the code in there 11:35 RealBadAngel for a purpose 11:35 Jordach RealBadAngel, what 11:35 RealBadAngel but what i mean the other i wanted to 11:35 RealBadAngel i left there all the math for parallax mapping 11:36 RealBadAngel http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/rsrc/Three/MaterialExamples/ex_ParallaxBumpShot.jpg 11:36 Calinou parallax is so 2006, do relief mapping instead 11:36 Calinou or better, tesselation 11:37 RealBadAngel this is rather easy to code 11:37 RealBadAngel dont need lights 11:37 RealBadAngel and i already do have all the matrices and variables 11:37 Calinou "bumpmapping" is more a generic term than anything, imo 11:37 Calinou "normal mapping" is more correct 11:37 Calinou and "parallax mapping" for stuff that makes textures look 3D 11:37 RealBadAngel this is kinda bumpmapping 11:38 RealBadAngel but bumpmapping depends heavily on lights 11:38 RealBadAngel while parallax dont 11:38 FreeFull There is displacement mapping, which actually does make them 3D 11:39 Calinou displacement mapping is similar 11:39 RealBadAngel this is parallax 11:39 RealBadAngel its about displacements 11:39 RealBadAngel and more 11:39 Calinou parallax = sponsored by companies which help against eye strain 11:39 Calinou relief mapping = sponsored by crytek's AA enhancements 11:39 RealBadAngel it uses same normal maps as bumpmapping 11:39 Calinou tesselaction = sponsored by nvidia 11:39 Calinou you choose :D 11:39 Calinou RealBadAngel: usually, you use alpha channel for bump mapping 11:40 RealBadAngel no i dont 11:40 Calinou (or a separate texture for .jpg peoples) 11:40 RealBadAngel the second 11:40 RealBadAngel and png :P :) 11:40 Calinou HDX uses .jpg 11:40 Jordach I CALL HAX 11:40 RealBadAngel male use png ;) 11:41 Calinou lol 11:41 RealBadAngel i was readin an article lately 11:41 RealBadAngel about DTS in irrlicht 11:42 Jordach RealBadAngel, link or it's BS 11:42 RealBadAngel that could reduce greatly our memory usage 11:43 RealBadAngel https://sites.google.com/site/dariooliveriportfolio/home/compressed-textures 11:43 Calinou john_minetest: bmp is pretty much dead today :P 11:43 Jordach > sites.google.com 11:43 Calinou RealBadAngel: you mean VRAM usage 11:43 Calinou don't mix both 11:43 RealBadAngel http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33552 11:44 RealBadAngel DTS are for compressed textures 11:44 Calinou "The tool automatically use the DXT1 compression if available" DXT is kinda patent encumbered 11:44 RealBadAngel used by microsoft 11:44 Calinou or not? 11:45 RealBadAngel i have found a few implementations 11:46 MarkTwain hi 11:47 MarkTwain !server players:most ping:least 11:47 MinetestBot MarkTwain: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 5/10, 9 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.242 11:47 MarkTwain smartarse 11:47 kaeza > bmp is pretty much dead today :P 11:48 kaeza nope 11:48 MarkTwain nope.avi 11:48 kaeza It's still widely used 11:48 MarkTwain nopenope 11:48 MarkTwain open! 11:48 MarkTwain il be quiet now 11:50 Calinou bmp literally has no upside over png 11:51 kaeza bmp is still used because it does not involve any kind of compression algorithm, thus making functions to read/write easier 11:51 kaeza (except for RLE compressed bmps of course) 11:53 Jordach modern bmp files support alpha 11:53 Jordach fun fact: mspaint now supports alpha channel 11:54 Calinou mspaint itself is already a fun fact 11:54 * kaeza slaps Jordach with ASEprite 11:54 Taoki hehe mspaint 11:54 Jordach who doesnt remember using that as a kid 11:54 Taoki Right. When I made ugly mouse drawings 11:55 FreeFull Did you know that XP/98's mspaint had a third colour? 11:55 kaeza MSPaint is like GIMP, except for all the useless stuff 11:55 FreeFull Which you would access by holding ctrl 11:56 kaeza hai rubenwardy 11:56 rubenwardy Hi 11:57 Jordach FreeFull, it was usually the alpha channel 11:57 arsdragonfly Jordach really? 11:57 arsdragonfly since which version of windows? 11:57 Jordach i've done it before with gifs 11:57 Jordach (btw, middle mouse button is the third colour) 11:58 FreeFull Oh yeah, middle mouse worked too 11:58 FreeFull Also, if you clicked the rigth pixel on the brush size selection list, you could have one that was bigger than the ones offered 11:58 kaeza 3 button mouse were not s common as today though 11:59 Jordach rubenwardy, how far is CTF coming 11:59 rubenwardy I have been away for 2 weeks 11:59 FreeFull Oh, they were plenty common 11:59 FreeFull I recall 3 button mice without a scrollwheel 11:59 Jordach oh fuck; they were the shit back in 2000 11:59 FreeFull 2 button mice were more dos-era 12:04 sfan5 can someone read what this means? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=98496#p98496 12:04 PilzAdam it means "Derp derp derp derp, derp derp derp derp." 12:05 sfan5 yeah, probably 12:05 sfan5 Achievement get: Crash Chrome by looking at a gif 12:06 MarkTwain crash life by getting a gf 12:10 Calinou chrome is evil 12:10 RealBadAngel sfan5, that post crashed NSA's PRISM 12:10 RealBadAngel theyre sitting now trying now decode it manually 12:13 Zeg9 Hi there 12:17 rubenwardy Jif! 12:19 kaeza PIF! 12:19 RealBadAngel tiff? 12:19 Jordach sfan5, chrome never crashes for me 12:19 Zeg9 Can I add this image to the "Error mod in version 0.4.7" ? http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/313/images.jpg 12:20 sfan5 Jordach: maybe that because I use Chrome beta 12:20 Jordach sure 12:21 RealBadAngel i sugest this as a icon to see error log: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cqKP7xr2TXc/TyX2XDkglbI/AAAAAAAAAFA/CKkyJ3ckLOQ/s1600/CoolStoryBroHouse.jpg 12:22 Calinou cool story brohoof* 12:22 Calinou +1 anyway 12:26 Jordach hey 12:26 Jordach thats my /coolstorybro user command 12:31 RealBadAngel i dont claim it to be mine 12:31 RealBadAngel seen it before in the chan 12:32 RealBadAngel but fun as hell 12:32 * PenguinDad is away: He is in a parallel universe. 12:32 Calinou away messages kill 12:33 RealBadAngel Calinou is away on a mission to kill someone for a message. 12:34 RealBadAngel jeez, he already did that 12:34 RealBadAngel poor penguin... 12:35 Calinou rich penguin 12:35 tele hi! how works minetest on debian linux? Because I was problem build rpm sa I installed debian in virtualbox , but in virtualbox mouse is too sensitive , I don't have settings so I can't change this 12:35 Calinou mouse_sensitivity = N 12:35 Calinou in minetest.conf 12:35 Calinou N is a number 12:35 tele Thanks :) 12:36 Calinou default is 0.2 12:39 MarkTwain RealBadAngel, hows the computer going? 12:40 kaeza RealBadAngel, is this format ok? https://github.com/m97/technic/wiki/Coal-generator 12:40 tele in ~/.minetest/minetest.conf I have: 12:40 tele address = 12:40 tele creative_mode = 1 12:40 tele enable_3d_clouds = 1 12:40 tele enable_damage = 0 12:40 tele name = tele 12:40 tele new_style_leaves = 1 12:40 kaeza dafuq 12:41 anonym_ hello 12:41 Calinou redeem this pastebin ticket at your nearest kaeza: [~~PASTEBIN~~] 12:41 kaeza O.o 12:41 anonym_ who can tell me why minetest says (while doing configuration of mods in world menu) that my configuration isn't persistant? 12:42 sfan5 kaeza: I'd like to reedem a ticket... 12:42 kaeza ._. 12:43 kaeza tele, http://pastebin.com 12:43 tele ok 12:45 anonym_ The minetest dir is on my windows desktop... 12:54 tele I added in ~/.minetest/minetest.conf option mouse_sensitivity = 0.1 but look like not working 12:55 tele this option exist in minetest.conf? 12:56 Calinou tele: is your minetest build RUN_IN_PLACE? 12:57 Calinou if so, then you need to add that line to (the directory where you compiled minetest)'s minetest.conf 12:58 tele I installed minetest from repository debian 13:10 parabyte i always tend to install minetest from source 13:10 parabyte Distro's always Soooo out of date 13:21 MarkTwain sfan5:join hunger games server 13:21 sfan5 MarkTwain: not now 13:22 MarkTwain anyone:join hunger games server 13:23 kaeza minetest: ../../include/irrString.h:330: T& irr::core::string::operator[](irr::u32) [with T = wchar_t, TAlloc = irr::core::irrAllocator, irr::u32 = unsigned int]: La declaración `!(index>=used)' no se cumple. Abortado (`core' generado) 13:23 kaeza woo 13:23 kaeza pastebin next time :/ 13:23 MarkTwain Server -!- You are hungry 13:23 MarkTwain OWWWW!!! 13:24 kaeza clicking out of text in multiline textarea 13:34 kaeza anyway, if someone is bored: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-wiki 13:34 kaeza (I was) 13:35 MarkTwain I like! 13:35 MarkTwain VERY good idea for tutorials 13:44 rubenwardy Back! 13:44 rubenwardy kaeza: I am rewriting the node box editor 13:45 MarkTwain wiki can be used for pasting things 13:45 MarkTwain Because minetest's paste and OS's are different 13:47 kaeza rubenwardy, cool 13:47 kaeza but... why? 13:47 rubenwardy crappy code 13:48 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/blob/master/cEditor.cpp#L431 13:48 rubenwardy the above is much shorter in new version 13:49 rubenwardy instead of storing pos/size it stores corner/corner 13:53 kaeza PilzAdam, I don't think the "(e.g. minetest_game, survival, build)" part is needed anymore: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75272#p75272 14:02 PilzAdam kaeza, changed it to MiniTest, dwarves 14:03 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=98507#p98507 > "I checked my C++ version" 14:06 sfan5 wat 14:06 rubenwardy as in MSVCPP2010 14:06 rubenwardy .dll 14:06 rubenwardy not the language version 14:06 rubenwardy I would assume 14:06 sfan5 !up 120.61.193.57 14:06 MinetestBot 120.61.193.57:30000 seems to be down 14:10 MarkTwain Hi 14:13 Jordach shit, dont have my skin on me 14:13 Jordach brb 14:39 rubenwardy Just made the properties dialog / nodebox inspector 14:39 rubenwardy next is the draggers 15:00 MarkTwain Wheres the mesecons page with tutorials? 15:00 PilzAdam https://ixquick.com/ 15:01 Exio let me ixquick for you! 15:02 bas080 I have a question, I'm helping a possible contributor to get set up. I was wondering what folder is best to use for "games" 15:03 PilzAdam I have minetest in ~/Minetest/ 15:04 bas080 PilzAdam, and where is your minimal games? 15:04 bas080 game* 15:04 kahrl I accidentally a sandstorm... http://imgur.com/BNaH31N 15:04 PilzAdam other games are in ~/Spiele/ (Spiele is german for Games) 15:06 kaeza kahrl, that could go with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQA8q5-UJY :D 15:07 bas080 ty PilzAdam 15:07 PilzAdam bas080, its really up to you how you structure your home folder 15:07 bas080 yes. to her in this case 15:08 bas080 PilzAdam, would it be possible to change the default games directory? 15:08 kahrl kaeza, nice :) 15:08 PilzAdam bas080, wut? 15:08 MarkTwain I need some text files about minetest 15:08 PilzAdam are you talking about Minetest games or other games? 15:09 MarkTwain Like Mese and a description; for the wiki mod 15:09 bas080 PilzAdam, Minetest games 15:10 PilzAdam bas080, oh, Minetest games are placed in $path_user/games/, where $path_user is ~/.minetest/ in globally installed versions, and the minetest directory in RUN_IN_PLACE versions 15:14 Exio PilzAdam: ~/games for normal games, and ~/sources/minetest/ for MT :P 15:15 PilzAdam all the first letters of the folders in my home directory are capitalized, while sub-folders are completly lower-case 15:16 Exio not here 15:16 bas080 Does this make sense? 15:16 bas080 cd ~/.minetest/ && mkdir -p games && cd games/ && git clone https://github.com/bas080/simple.git 15:17 PilzAdam no 15:17 bas080 PilzAdam, Wrong, path? 15:17 PilzAdam the correct url is: https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest.git 15:18 PilzAdam :-p 15:18 bas080 you so funny! :P 15:18 MarkTwain kaeza 15:18 Jordach MarkTwain, highlight someone and ask 15:18 MarkTwain i fount a problem with the 15:18 MarkTwain Wiki mod 15:18 bas080 What about cd ~/.minetest/ && mkdir -p games && cd games/ && git clone https://github.com/bas080/simple.git && git clone https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest.git 15:18 Jordach not two different things. 15:19 PilzAdam bas080, add minitest too and its ok 15:20 bas080 cd ~/.minetest/ && mkdir -p games && cd games/ && git clone https://github.com/bas080/simple.git && git clone https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest.git && git clone https://github.com/PilzAdam/minitest.git 15:20 Jordach why arent all the availible games distributed with minetest 15:20 Jordach or have pre-made windows clients with dwarves 15:21 Jordach or minitest 15:21 * Jordach spends the day being useful 15:21 * MarkTwain spends the day falling for sarcasm 15:22 * Calinou spends the day replacing PSUs 15:22 Jordach oh shit 15:22 Jordach Calinou is here!! 15:26 kahrl some spent the day swimming 3.86 km, cycling 180.25 km and running 42.195 km. why none of you? 15:26 PilzAdam I need a menu header for pilztest... 15:26 MarkTwain lol 15:32 bas080 kahrl, what people did this? 15:32 kahrl a bunch did in Frankfurt 15:33 kahrl I don't know any of them personally :P 15:43 MarkTwain What is this minetest-turtle mod? 15:49 bas080 MarkTwain, it makes use of the L system. 15:49 bas080 it has to do with fractals 15:50 MarkTwain Join and help plz 15:50 MarkTwain After i make the textures though 15:50 bas080 Maybe we can get it to work together. I still don't know how to atm 15:52 MarkTwain https://github.com/Novatux/forth_computer 15:52 bas080 http://www.kevs3d.co.uk/dev/lsystems/ 16:16 kaeza updated https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-wiki 16:16 kaeza now with hyperlinks ^_^ 16:42 MarkTwain Someone help me with Forth_Computer 16:43 MarkTwain how do i send a message? 16:49 marktraceur MarkTwain: A private message? 16:49 marktraceur Or are you talking about the computer, about which I know noooothing 16:50 MarkTwain computer 16:50 * marktraceur disappears 16:50 Jordach marktraceur, sup 16:51 Jordach anyone wanna minetest with me; mt.viewskew.com 16:51 Jordach (default port) 16:53 Calinou can't 16:53 * Calinou needs to replace their PSU again and send the new PSU 16:53 PilzAdam Jordach, has anyone found my bones with the 3 diamonds yet? 16:53 Jordach PilzAdam, nope.avi 16:55 Jordach me and kacey burned down the jungle 16:56 Jordach also: swords need to take damage from mobs hit 16:56 Jordach PilzAdam, sand monsters dont attack during the day 16:57 PilzAdam they should 16:57 Jordach Kacey, wb 16:58 Jordach also: the jungle is cleared 16:59 Jordach btw; im keeping a record on each player's things bought from the admin 17:02 Kacey ooh it was me who lit the fire :( and yes, there was only one fire, but it burned into an unloaded chunk and i sorta loaded it... 17:03 Jordach Kacey, np 17:04 Kacey heh ok. i was actually planning on burning SOME of the jungle, not all of it 17:33 Kacey bbs 17:37 * Jordach writs a table of nodes in gold ingots for price 17:38 Jordach gotta love LO's Spreadsheet function 17:40 Calinou spread shit 17:40 Jordach lol 17:40 Jordach btw, you can buy things from me, but i track each purchase 17:41 Jordach why isnt there a mod to buy nodes using gold ingots 17:41 Jordach because that should be their use: moneyt 17:41 Jordach -t 17:44 Jordach hey diemartin 17:48 diemartin hai 17:49 kaeza brb; food 17:51 Jordach wood tools are literally free :) 17:53 Calinou but stone is better and is just as cheap :P 17:53 marktraceur Jordach: Hi, just getting ready to fly home, what's up with you? 17:53 Jordach not much, hows your server? 18:00 Jordach lol 18:00 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix parseColor, change remaining colorkeys to new format, fix Contributor list 7e73b7cae9 2013-07-07T10:59:18-07:00 http://git.io/5uc_HQ 18:00 ShadowNinja sokomine: ...travelnet/init.lua:391: attempt to index a nil value 18:02 PilzAdam thats known 18:02 hmmmm john minetest, if you get that error it'd be a good idea to update to the latest so you can get more information about the problem at least 18:04 Jordach john_minetest, that bug is caused by updating .x models 18:04 Jordach anytime a new .x mesh is added / changed, the cache farts and dies 18:05 Jordach (which isnt fair to 3d modelers at all.) 18:05 hmmmm jordach, you're able to reproduce that error? 18:05 Jordach hmmmm, in 0.4.5 and 0.4.6 18:06 Jordach was fixed in 0.4.7 18:06 Jordach by kahrl 18:06 kahrl that's a different bug you're talking about 18:06 Jordach kahrl, any time a new mesh is added to the cache, it throws an exception 18:07 Jordach which is what john_minetest just seen in action 18:07 kahrl I don't recall putting a fix for the mesh update thread bug into 0.4.7 18:07 Jordach it hasnt happened since 18:08 kahrl and it happened always in 0.4.5/0.4.6? or just often? 18:09 Jordach anytime i changed the mesh 18:09 Jordach boom, it died in singleplayer 18:23 Calinou john_minetest's skin changed to a pony, probably 18:23 * john_minetest is waiting for good shaders in minetest. 18:23 Calinou what is a good shader to you? :P 18:31 marktraceur Jordach: My server? If you mean the FSF's, still running 18:32 Jordach marktraceur, that. 18:32 Jordach btw, IRC works in 0.4.7 18:32 marktraceur *nod* 18:32 marktraceur K 18:32 marktraceur I think the upgrade path is sort of...long...for LPGC 18:35 Jordach oh god its hot today 18:35 marktraceur Jordach: Where at? 18:35 Jordach UK 18:35 marktraceur True 'nuff 18:35 Jordach we dont have heating controls in this house, and the window arm is broken 18:35 marktraceur Ouch. 18:35 Jordach its literally bent 18:36 marktraceur How else would it be bent? 18:36 marktraceur (also, bye, flying) 18:36 Jordach basically, we shut the window too hard and it crumpled the arm 18:36 kaeza lol "hot" .-. 18:36 kaeza 5ºC here 18:37 Jordach this is me right now: http://i.imgur.com/PGHGY8M.png 18:47 rubenwardy Hi 18:49 ShadowNinja Hello rubenwardy. Vector functions got added to builtin. They can be removed from commonlib now. 18:49 rubenwardy ok 18:56 Jordach john_minetest, ask thexyz 18:56 Jordach Kacey, you on my server? 18:56 Jordach nope.avi 19:00 thexyz john_minetest: it's "ping" 19:06 Jordach Kacey, just made a real easy way into my place now 19:26 kaeza It's up! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=98569#p98569 19:27 Calinou unlike my desktop :> 19:27 Calinou nice idea :P 19:28 kaeza thanks :P 19:29 * Calinou needs to change their PSU again, send the new one back, change thermal paste :| 19:30 Calinou but notice that noone notices quit messages. 19:30 kaeza except "Excess Flood" :| 19:31 Calinou :p 19:35 Jordach anyone notice my new shiny avatar 19:35 * Calinou adds bump mapping to Jordach's avatar 19:35 thexyz no 19:39 thexyz john_minetest: it does, we use it 19:39 VanessaE hi all. 19:40 Calinou hi 19:40 Jordach hey nessie 19:40 VanessaE john_minetest: PilzAdam tried a normalmaps joke with default textures, which of course failed miserably. 19:44 Jordach minetest-dev is like a TV soap 19:44 VanessaE lol 19:46 Exio ehi 19:46 Exio s/e// 19:46 Calinou s/Exio// 19:46 Jordach our overlord kitty-cat is back 19:46 sfan5 Jordach: your quote got a place in my signature 19:46 * Calinou puts a pony on NekoGloop's head 19:46 Calinou [vote which pony now] 19:46 Jordach sfan5, HUH!? 19:47 sfan5 Calinou: Derpy Hooves 19:47 PilzAdam ^ 19:47 Exio Calinou will say rarity 19:47 Exio in 3..2.. 19:48 NekoGloop meow 19:48 whirm I'm getting much less water out of a pipe than in. Is this normal? (technic mod) 19:48 NekoGloop https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/174 I vote for this PR. 19:49 Calinou Exio, 0....-1... 19:49 Calinou -5...-7... 19:49 Calinou rarity! 19:49 Exio unsigned integer Calinou, it is unsigned! :( 19:50 Calinou Exio, I use an intel CPU, that's why 19:50 Exio intel atom? :> 19:50 Calinou right now, yes 19:51 NekoGloop a CPU the size of an atom? 19:52 * Exio overclocks NekoGloop's brain up to 8GHz without proper fans 19:52 Exio (yes, fans and 8GHz :3) 19:52 NekoGloop Well glooptest doesn't have any fans, so... 19:52 * Calinou puts a fandom near NekoGloop to cool him 19:52 NekoGloop xD 19:52 Calinou MLP fandom is usually the coolest 19:53 NekoGloop Well there's usually heated arguments 19:53 * Jordach sounds the bullshit klaxon 19:53 Calinou no, that's with java 19:53 VanessaE NekoGloop: you need to re-do your ingots in glooptest btw. base them against this image: https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/master/textures/homedecor_brass_ingot.png 19:53 VanessaE (because the default ingots are about to change to ones I made based on this) 19:53 NekoGloop VanessaE, No, because HDX is stupid. 19:54 VanessaE that ^^ is not HDX. 19:54 PilzAdam NekoGloop is right, VanessaE 19:54 NekoGloop I refuse to follow these crappy image. 19:57 Jordach VanessaE, hand me your skins mod please 19:57 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/node_ownership-20130510.zip 19:58 VanessaE Jordach: that ^^^ should be it. 19:58 Jordach VanessaE, hand me your skins mod please 19:58 Jordach read again 19:58 Exio Jordach: negative Hz 19:59 khonkhortisan Exasperated fandom eviscerate minetest_game 19:59 Calinou MLP fandom? 19:59 VanessaE ohfuck 20:00 VanessaE skins mod. *blind* 20:00 Calinou skin mod? use tattoos, that's it 20:00 VanessaE I just run this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3587 20:00 Calinou that mods your skin 20:00 Jordach VanessaE, yours might be modified 20:00 VanessaE nope 20:00 Jordach also: Iceweasel can't find the server at irc.minetest.ru. 20:00 VanessaE mine's unmodified. 20:00 khonkhortisan you can switch out your skin under the tattoos but the tattoos never leave 20:01 khonkhortisan skin, tattoos, clothing, armor 20:01 Calinou >Jordach >Iceweasel 20:01 VanessaE fuck iceweasel, I installed a real copy of ff (23.0) 20:01 Jordach Calinou, vnc4server + xfce4 on a more powerful vps 20:02 Calinou well, chromium at least is available in abrotmanbian 20:02 * Exio uses iceweasel 20:02 * Calinou uses chromium 20:02 * kaeza highfives Calinou :> 20:04 * NekoGloop uses chrome 20:04 khonkhortisan I'll just pretend I cut holes through the clothes that line up exactly with the tattoos 20:04 Calinou chrome is evil 20:05 Calinou chromium does the same thing, is open source and doesn't spy on you (when properly set up) 20:05 thexyz ChanServ: how to? 20:06 NekoGloop xyz is going insane 20:06 Calinou someone's tried to tab complete to me 20:06 Calinou what do you mean by "how to", too 20:06 thexyz oh crap 20:06 thexyz how to properly set it up 20:07 Calinou go to privacy tab, uncheck the first four checkboxes, check the last one. 20:07 PilzAdam you can sort tab-completion by last message 20:07 Calinou and go to cookie settings, disallow third party cookies 20:07 Calinou this makes it a bit better, while not harming user experience at all 20:07 khonkhortisan Set your tab completion to last-spoke, not alphabetically. 20:08 khonkhortisan what PilzAdam said 20:08 NekoGloop alphabetically should still have gotten Calinou. 20:08 NekoGloop a is before h 20:08 khonkhortisan it missed Ceris cisou and codeher 20:08 Calinou "code her" 20:08 khonkhortisan I skipped the last letter to avoid highlight 20:09 PilzAdam if you highlicht too many people at once then ShadowBot will kick you 20:09 PilzAdam *light 20:09 sfan5 someone actually changed nick to "I" and then some newbie who was asking for help was kicked 20:10 PilzAdam I think ShadowNinja added a min char limit 20:10 Calinou lol 20:10 Calinou lots of people like taking one-letter names :P 20:10 thexyz PilzAdam: irssi here 20:10 Jordach kaeza, whats the node name for your wiki node 20:11 thexyz well, I already downloaded niq.pl so now this shit shouldn't happen 20:11 kaeza Jordach, wiki:wiki 20:11 PilzAdam Calinou, lots of people == 26? 20:12 Calinou well, yeah 20:12 Calinou it depends on networks 20:12 sfan5 _: umm 20:12 kaeza lol registered 20:13 Jordach anyways, im out 20:14 Exio nsinfo 20:14 Exio er 20:14 NekoGloop someone remind me why brick-based blocks only return one from the recipe? 20:15 VanessaE because random 20:15 VanessaE fix it and pull-request plz 20:15 NekoGloop and make pilz cry again? gladly. 20:16 VanessaE (imho anything that takes X number of whole nodes in should provide that same number on its output in cases like this) 20:17 NekoGloop john_minetest, because pilz is an asshole? 20:18 PilzAdam john_minetest, its not a bug 20:18 khonkhortisan VanessaE, that's why quantum computing is so difficult. You can't just have an AND gate, you'd lose half of the information. 20:20 NekoGloop and consistant ore names? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/186 20:20 Exio i actually like it having other names 20:21 NekoGloop 1) you never see them in normal gameplay 20:21 NekoGloop 2) Coal Ore instead of Coal in Stone 20:23 NekoGloop Mese and Diamonds are pretty damn important 20:23 Exio mese is mese 20:23 Exio is it even something? 20:23 VanessaE mese is a plastic-like conductive crystal similar in appearance to amethyst (but yellow), of alien origin. 20:23 Calinou conductive? 20:23 * Calinou stops using mese as thermal paste 20:23 VanessaE Calinou: mesecons. :) 20:26 NekoGloop it can still be called a mineral 20:26 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Merge branch 'formspec_mainmenu_fixes' of https://github.com/sapier/minetest 773b7fb6cf 2013-07-07T13:02:08-07:00 http://git.io/lz_kGA 20:26 Exio Merge branch? 20:27 NekoGloop Other crystals found underground are called "minerals" so why not this one. 20:27 VanessaE mese crystals might arguably be an ore, but definitely not the mese blocks. 20:28 VanessaE yeah 20:28 VanessaE if coal is an ore, diamonds are. 20:28 VanessaE (seeing as how one is basically the compressed form of the other) 20:29 VanessaE (yeah yeah, and pepper spray is basically a condiment) 20:31 NekoGloop That reminds me of a creationist argument 20:31 NekoGloop "You're wrong so I'm right" 20:31 NekoGloop or "This little part of your argument is wrong so it's all wrong" 20:32 VanessaE john_minetest: if that's the case, then in the context of the game, mese is an ore :) 20:32 mitori hi everyone! 20:33 NekoGloop and maybe this argument is retarded 20:33 VanessaE john_minetest: mese is a crystal, ergo ordered atomic structure :) 20:33 NekoGloop all I hear is "EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW CHANGE" 20:33 mitori VanessaE PilzAdam more core developers when will directx video driver for minetest be supporting shaders 20:33 VanessaE I am not a core dev (and can't help regarding DX - I only use linux) 20:34 VanessaE john_minetest: good point. 20:34 mitori VanessaE oh sorry. 20:36 kahrl mitori: it already does, just nobody wrote them 20:37 mitori kahrl uhmmm.... red filter counts as "supports"? 20:37 kahrl I said the core supports loading HLSL shaders 20:37 kahrl but there are none 20:37 VanessaE kahrl: too bad there's no GLSL->HLSL shader converter. 20:38 mitori kahrl so red filter means that i'm trying to load glsl shader when it can't and needs hlsl? 20:39 kahrl something like that 20:40 kahrl it's seeing that video_driver is a directx variant so it looks for HLSL files, but it finds none so the effect is as if your video card didn't support shaders 20:43 NekoGloop did you miss the part where people of this community hate minecrafters? 20:44 sokomine does one have to hate players of minecraft classic as well? 20:44 PilzAdam john_minetest, we should make Minitest the default game, so Minecrafters have it easier 20:45 sapier you should avoid the mc word try announcing at "add mirrored axe reciep to get consistent to other recieps" ;-) 20:45 sokomine sapiers suggestion sounds fine :-) 20:45 sokomine and: hi everyone 20:46 sapier john no logical reason just a suggestion to avoid triggering mc haters ;-) 20:46 NekoGloop what I want is a flag for "flippable" in a recipe 20:46 sokomine i was just asking nekogloop :-) because i do play minecraft classic as well. it's less these days because minetest offers far more options to build smaller and better looking houses 20:47 sapier ok :-) 20:48 PilzAdam *12 minutes 20:50 PilzAdam how old do you get? 20:50 NekoGloop 100 20:50 kahrl s/old/young 20:50 NekoGloop on average 20:52 PilzAdam kahrl, "young" indicates that he gets younger each time 20:53 kahrl if he feels younger, why not? :) 20:55 PilzAdam your father makes clocks and your PC clock is not synced? 21:06 sfan5 lawl, you can make memes on imgur now 21:07 NekoGloop image macros* 21:18 PilzAdam brb 21:36 khonkhortisan Boustrophedon: sed '0~2 s/^/\xe2\x80\xae/g' in.txt > out.txt http://pastebin.com/RPGJ7XKj 22:01 PilzAdam john_minetest, Happy Birthday! 22:03 NekoGloop whatever 22:05 kaeza happy birthday john_minetest ! 22:05 ShadowNinja Is there a way to make sure that something is run last? (adding a ABM) It seems like minetest.after(0,...) is too late. 22:05 ShadowNinja Happy birthday john_minetest 22:05 ShadowNinja +! 22:07 ShadowNinja Lava and fire ignite nukes now BTW. And you can make MC-like cannons. 22:12 * sokomine eyes the deliscious cake and tastes a piece of it 22:13 NakedFury im gonna eat a real cake I have at home 22:13 mitori what do i get for spamming on minetest forum? not some really heavy shit like real-estate ads but something smaller. and with more reason, i would say 22:13 * PilzAdam EATS ALL THE CAKE 22:13 PilzAdam om nom nom 22:14 mitori what do i get for spamming on minetest forum? not some really heavy shit like real-estate ads but something smaller. and with more reason, i would say 22:15 PilzAdam ban (I guess) 22:15 mitori for how long 22:15 NekoGloop forever 22:16 mitori and for flood? 22:16 NekoGloop forever 22:17 mitori fukkity-fuck 22:17 mitori anyway 22:17 mitori here's my new minetest video 22:17 mitori http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPHilyk_a-g&feature=c4-overview&list=UUWZGLBNeSmK8qaqtvA3iyfQ 22:17 mitori oh hell 22:17 mitori http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPHilyk_a-g 22:25 FreeFull That didn't look like cake 22:25 FreeFull But like a loaf of bread with a candle on top 22:26 NekoGloop he got kicked 22:26 FreeFull Loaf of bread! 22:26 PilzAdam FreeFull, doesnt matter, I ate all of it 22:38 sokomine we need donations for new players...it's strange that they rob stonesquares which can so easily be crafted out of cheap cobble 22:42 VanessaE ₥e is back. 22:42 * VanessaE too. 22:43 sokomine you missed a deliscious cake donated by john_minetest. pilzadam ate it all! 22:43 VanessaE I saw 22:44 VanessaE my fault for going out for cheese doodles :) 22:45 NekoGloop i had spaghetti 22:47 FreeFull Minecraft sucks because you can't craft stonesquares 22:47 sokomine :-) 22:48 sokomine one guy just griefed in front of my eyes 22:48 FreeFull I don't get griefers 22:48 NekoGloop I might occasionally break something just to see what it is. 22:48 NekoGloop but beyond that I wouldn't grief. 22:49 NekoGloop I wish we had like highlight tips telling us what the node is 22:53 sokomine ah yes, that would be helpful. but if you dig a block for that purpose, you can place it back afterwards, and it will be no problem. those people usually do not stick to single blocks 22:54 VanessaE often I'll break a block just do I can "refill" it, then place it back and go on doing whatever I was about to do 22:54 VanessaE s/do/so/ 23:00 FreeFull sokomine: Unless it's a block with settable properties 23:00 FreeFull Or something like a teleporter 23:00 sokomine yes, that's practical on a creative server 23:00 sokomine hm, usually they're few and often protected 23:02 kaeza VanessaE, you creative player you 23:03 VanessaE damn straight :) 23:03 kaeza you can't "refill" nodes in survival :P 23:03 * VanessaE quickly codes up a "duplicator" machine :P 23:04 VanessaE (I could see that being useful in some places, but it would take an enormous amount of coal) 23:04 kaeza I already said this like a billion times, but item_drop + one mesecons wire + one mesecons switch = infinite mesecons wires 23:05 VanessaE so yell at jeija :) 23:06 Exio (item_drop) 23:06 * sokomine arrests vanessa for introducing bugs to the code! 23:06 VanessaE and RBA 23:06 sokomine kahrl is hunting that bug with item duplication :-) 23:06 kaeza dunno who's the culprit 23:07 kaeza sokomine, this is a diff bug 23:07 NekoGloop this is now a game of clue 23:08 kaeza NekoGloop, that would be a neat idea :P 23:08 kaeza Clue: Minetest Edition 23:08 kaeza (aka rollback_check :3) 23:13 NekoGloop fuzzy wuzzy.. 23:14 sokomine kaeza: i wrote a replacement for rollback_check that uses an external bash script to execute a grep. works much much faster 23:14 sokomine and is more helpful 23:15 kaeza sokomine, nice 23:15 sokomine you can find it under http://github.com/Sokomine/inspector 23:16 sokomine server owner seem reluctant to test it :-( some don't even use rollback at all 23:19 kaeza looks good 23:20 kaeza I don't like this very much though: https://github.com/Sokomine/inspector/blob/master/init.lua#L80 23:20 kaeza you should make it fail more gracefully 23:21 kaeza like showing an error message to the user via chat 23:25 ShadowNinja Better yet: Actually fix rollback. 23:26 NekoGloop that too 23:39 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix parseColor, change remaining colorkeys to new format, fix Contributor list 57e5a1e964 2013-07-07T16:38:29-07:00 http://git.io/s_tZog 23:53 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix many formspec menu bugs 88d43af276 2013-07-07T16:49:52-07:00 http://git.io/bY4GUg 23:54 sokomine kaeza: what do you mean in particular? 23:56 sokomine there has to be something quite wrong with rollback in the engine. else it wouldn't be that slow. after all grep may be optimized for what it does - but a c++-program searching the file ought to be not that much slower