Time Nick Message 00:00 StarBlessed Really? 00:00 StarBlessed Its running? 00:00 PilzAdam you can find my bones in a deep cave with 3 diamonds in it 00:01 PilzAdam !up mt.viewskew.com 00:01 MinetestBot mt.viewskew.com:30000 is up (226ms) 00:01 StarBlessed Huh... Nice :D 00:01 StarBlessed He was supposed to use the Global Server... I dont know if he has 00:01 PilzAdam he hasnt yet 00:02 StarBlessed Ahhh, ok 00:02 StarBlessed What was the latency like? 00:02 PilzAdam not so good for me 00:02 PilzAdam Jordach said the VPS is in the US 00:02 NekoGloop US -> germany 00:02 StarBlessed Yup 00:03 StarBlessed ok 00:03 PilzAdam but not definitely 100 times better than VanessaE's server 00:03 PilzAdam -not 00:03 VanessaE don't blame me for MT having a shitty networking stack. :P 00:04 StarBlessed LMAO! No comment 00:04 PilzAdam VanessaE, do you use the open remote_media server? 00:04 VanessaE no 00:04 PilzAdam do you plan to use it? 00:04 * NekoGloop slaps PilzAdam with a kitten 00:04 VanessaE mayb 00:04 VanessaE maybe 00:05 PilzAdam NekoGloop, http://youtu.be/lxwqIFz2PwA 00:05 NekoGloop Oh yay, two tabs of the same thing 00:05 NekoGloop ear-rape 00:05 * PilzAdam tries 00:06 NekoGloop also max volume headphones 00:06 PilzAdam sure 00:07 * NekoGloop usually has his headphones on max volume >.> 00:07 PilzAdam "THIS SPARTA MADNESS IS SPARTA MADNESS IS!" 00:07 NekoGloop THIS ENGRISH IS IT THIS ENGRISH IS IT 00:08 PilzAdam lets put some dubstep over it :D 00:08 NekoGloop heh 00:08 NekoGloop OPEN EVERY 10 HOUR VIDEO AT ONCE 00:09 StarBlessed Heh. BrandonReese is already on the Mumble Server ;) 00:10 PilzAdam "THIS IS SPARTA TEFLON! 00:11 PilzAdam ok, you definitely get headache from this 00:12 Exio lolwut 00:53 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on PilzAdam's head 00:57 kaeza hmm 00:58 PilzAdam hmmm 00:58 NekoGloop hmmm-- no 00:59 kaeza that patch to use vertex buffers doesn't seem to have much impact 01:00 kaeza maybe because of my crappy gfx card 01:01 PilzAdam it increases my FPS by at least 40 FPS 01:01 NekoGloop which one is that 01:01 NekoGloop and at this point I don't need FPS boosts I need more worldgen speed~ :3 01:02 PilzAdam the problem is not the mapgen, but the mesh generation 01:02 kaeza I get no noticeable FPS increase 01:03 kaeza maybe I'm doing something wrong :/ 01:03 NekoGloop I'm pretty sure it's mapgen, but i'm using like every mod in the history of ever that adds mapgen 01:03 kaeza $ lspci | grep VGA -> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 01:04 PilzAdam "Integrated Graphics Controller" -> no VBO for you 01:04 kaeza :( 01:05 VanessaE I tried to apply that VBO patch and I'm getting "bad object". 01:05 VanessaE (when i try to cherry-pick it) 01:05 kaeza VanessaE, I downloaded the patch and applied it directly 01:05 kaeza wget "https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/7af479cba466f801c5cb648c8a449877957cb723.patch" 01:06 VanessaE you can do that? 01:06 VanessaE huh 01:06 VanessaE (the wget part, I mean) 01:07 kaeza yes 01:07 VanessaE let's see how that behaves (applied, built, installed) 01:08 kaeza be sur to set enable_vbo = true in minetest.conf 01:08 kaeza +e 01:08 VanessaE right 01:08 PilzAdam and watch your RAM 01:10 VanessaE not much of a change for me 01:10 VanessaE a few fps increase at the spawn, at most. 01:10 VanessaE (my server makes a good acid test :P ) 01:11 Exio it is a corner-and-extreme-case 01:11 Exio if mt passes it 01:11 Exio it means it works in the 99% of the normal cases 01:12 VanessaE it helps a little bit. 01:12 kaeza hehe 01:12 VanessaE RAM usage actually went *down* compared to my norm, probably because of GPU-side storage? 01:14 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Have you had a chance to test my areas mod yet? 01:14 VanessaE no 01:14 ShadowNinja Got the link? 01:15 VanessaE msg it to me so I don't lose it? 01:16 ShadowNinja Done. 01:20 kaeza wget "..." -> 2013-06-30 22:18:51 (1,25 GB/s) ... 01:20 kaeza O.O 01:20 NekoGloop should set_stack be minetest.set_stack? :s 01:21 NekoGloop Oh, wait, I'm an idiot 01:21 PilzAdam NekoGloop, you no, something like inv:set_stack("main", 10, ItemStack()) 01:21 PilzAdam -you 01:21 NekoGloop minetest.get_inventory():set_stack() 01:21 PilzAdam where inv is a reference to an inventory 01:21 PilzAdam right 01:22 PilzAdam or player:get_invenory() or something elese 01:22 PilzAdam *else 01:22 PilzAdam *inventory() 01:22 NekoGloop Alright, now how do I format a table in the ItemStack() command? 01:22 PilzAdam what table? 01:22 NekoGloop lua_api says I can put a table into the ItemStack command for it to use 01:23 NekoGloop I'm assuming {name = "foo:bar", ...} but where would the amount of items in the stack go? 01:23 PilzAdam whats the format of the table? 01:23 NekoGloop um, a table. 01:23 NekoGloop ;-) 01:24 NekoGloop "- Can be created via ItemStack(itemstack or itemstring or table or nil)" 01:24 NekoGloop Could I just go ItemStack("default:stick 30") and get a stack of 30 sticks? 01:24 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L534 01:24 PilzAdam yes, "default:stick 30" works too 01:24 NekoGloop Ah, I see. 01:25 NekoGloop I'll do the table. 01:25 PilzAdam ItemStack() pretty much takes every format you can imagine 01:25 NekoGloop because tables fuck yesh 01:25 PilzAdam but mostly mods use the string format 01:25 * NekoGloop uses tables whenever possible because tables fuck yeah 01:26 PilzAdam yes, Luas tables are pretty powerful 01:26 NekoGloop probably the best part of lua 01:27 PilzAdam a hardcore c coder would say its the worst part ;-) 01:27 NekoGloop heh 01:27 PilzAdam need to sleep now 01:27 PilzAdam bye 01:27 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/GCYPazny 01:27 NekoGloop waitwaitwait 01:27 NekoGloop fuck 01:28 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://pastebin.com/GCYPazny this look good for treasure chest (rank 1) populating? 01:28 NekoGloop or is there anything that will just obviously fail that I'm too derp to see 01:29 VanessaE hang on. 01:30 NekoGloop assume glooptest.R1_treasure_chest_items is a table full of items formatted like {"default:stick", 30, 1} 01:31 VanessaE well on first glance, it looks right 01:32 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Rarity is messed up it seems. 01:32 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, ? 01:32 ShadowNinja (Also the indentation there) 01:32 NekoGloop that's just pastebin 01:32 ShadowNinja The rarity there is constant. 01:33 NekoGloop grrr 01:33 ShadowNinja It should be math.ramdom(0, rarity) == 0 01:34 VanessaE ok, irrlicht 1.8 sucks. how do I get 1.7.3 on debian 7? :) 01:35 VanessaE screw it, I'll compile. 01:37 Menche i never really noticed a difference between irrlicht versions 01:37 VanessaE 1.8 makes translucent items flicker between opaque and translucent. 01:38 VanessaE that doesn't happen with 1.7.x 01:38 ShadowNinja Is that a irrlicht or MT problem? 01:38 Menche translucent items as in what? 01:39 VanessaE water, stained glass, homedecor fancy doors, anything with alpha 01:39 NekoGloop heh 01:39 VanessaE ShadowNinja: it's a team error I guess. 01:40 Menche i don't get that 01:41 NekoGloop don't mind me I'm just gonna go break everything~ 01:43 VanessaE Menche: don't get what? 01:44 Menche those glitches with irrlicht 01:44 VanessaE oh ok 01:44 VanessaE may be hardware-dependent too. 01:44 VanessaE who the hell knows. 01:47 _2cool4me4_ So, I use MSI Afterburner to record. As soon as I start it, it displays FPS numbers in the item slots of about half of the items. Is this normal? 01:47 _2cool4me4_ The numbers are draggable. 01:48 _2cool4me4_ As in, they drag with the item. 01:48 kahrl that sounds slightly psychedelic 01:49 NekoGloop what the what the what 01:50 kaeza have you tried turning it off and on again? 01:55 _2cool4me4_ kaeza, yes 01:56 Miner_48er trying to grep crafting recipes {*,*,*} 01:57 Miner_48er is thier a beter way? 01:58 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/BPEilOv.png um what 01:58 NekoGloop something seriously fucked with tables 01:58 VanessaE wtf? 01:59 NekoGloop this is why i do not nodebox 02:01 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/CkkKXq2.png what the hell 02:01 VanessaE gah, what can I do to get over this shitty performance? :( 02:02 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Recode that part of Minetest. :-) 02:02 VanessaE pfft 02:02 NekoGloop s/that/every/ 02:02 Menche rewrite minetest in assembly. it should be nice and fast then. 02:03 NekoGloop someone remind me how to make a normal-looking node with nodeboxes 02:03 _2cool4me4_ You crazy person. 02:03 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: No, some parts like mapgen are good and fast. 02:03 NekoGloop because FUCK NODEBOXES 02:03 Menche normal node? {-0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5} 02:04 VanessaE NekoGloop: you probably just swapped the coords it all. 02:04 NekoGloop thank you 02:04 VanessaE is* 02:04 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: {{0.5, 0.5, 0.5, -0.5, -0.5..^ 02:04 ShadowNinja (Two '{' IIRC. 02:04 ShadowNinja ) 02:05 VanessaE node_box = { type = "fixed", fixed = { -0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5 } } 02:05 Menche goes to 0.5 in each direction, 1st half is one corner coordinate and the 2nd half is the other 02:06 Menche if you get a number wrong it could have the right shape but flash 02:07 Miner_48er trying to grep crafting recipes {*,*,*} is thier a beter way to accomplish this? 02:07 NekoGloop then why the fuck does this: http://pastebin.com/hVqwwGbG look like this: http://i.imgur.com/M6rTxSM.png 02:07 NekoGloop Miner_48er, minetest.get_all_crafting_recipes 02:07 VanessaE 0.6? -0.9? 02:07 VanessaE -- 02:07 VanessaE 0.7? 02:07 NekoGloop well those aren't even the uber-stupid ones 02:08 NekoGloop the ones that are goofed are the top and base 02:08 Menche shouldn't be over +/- 0.5 02:08 VanessaE you're extending *way* outside the normal bounds of a node 02:08 NekoGloop Forget about those 02:08 NekoGloop Those are not what I'm worrying about 02:08 VanessaE ditto for the top 02:08 VanessaE 1? that's too big. 02:08 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: {[\"\'].*:.*[\"\'],... 02:09 VanessaE the "base" looks almost right 02:09 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: Or better yet, grep for the registration function. 02:11 khonkhortisan hello neko 02:12 Miner_48er how grep -A 3 "recipe =" ? 02:17 Menche github... the site suddenly changed... 02:19 NekoGloop So what is a nodebox of a block with one less pixel (in a 16x pack) on all sides? 02:19 VanessaE +/- 7/16 02:20 VanessaE (I use fractions when dealing with shapes that need to be pixel-exact) 02:20 NekoGloop lol cheater 02:20 Menche gaaah, github moved the clone url 02:20 Menche to the side 02:21 NekoGloop s/clone url/everything/ 02:21 _2cool4me4_ aaaaaand nose bleeding again 02:22 NekoGloop without context, "fixed = fixed," sounds like the most redundant piece of code ever 02:23 VanessaE haha 02:24 VanessaE well I usually give such tables meaningful names 02:24 VanessaE e.g. "left_stub" and the like 02:26 * NekoGloop wonders if anyone is curious what the usefulness of tables is... 02:26 VanessaE probably so you can change the model :) 02:27 NekoGloop hehe ^^;; 02:27 kaeza tried the irregular shapes mod with detail=1000000 02:27 kaeza my comp almost melted ;_; 02:27 NekoGloop hehe 02:28 NekoGloop "almost" so we're ok 02:29 VanessaE holy moly 02:35 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/tgMJyqD.png table house! 02:37 NekoGloop yay the nodebox works 02:39 NekoGloop next question: why is ItemStack({name=item_name,count=item_stacksize}) returning nil, when those two variables bloody well exist. 02:41 * NekoGloop pings VanessaE 02:42 jordan4ibanez Uh oh, I'm going to say it. 02:43 NekoGloop what 02:43 jordan4ibanez No, don't make me. 02:43 NekoGloop SAY IT YE SCURVEH DOG! 02:44 jordan4ibanez Black people. 02:45 * NekoGloop pokes VanessaE 02:46 NekoGloop oh, fuc 02:47 jordan4ibanez VanessaE: You are needed in the operating room. 02:47 NekoGloop no she isn't 02:47 NekoGloop the doctor just needs to stop being a shithead 02:47 jordan4ibanez I need her to operate on my cd. 02:48 jordan4ibanez It's scratched. 02:48 NekoGloop now the generation of a treasure chest shouldn't crash 02:49 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: The other options are mandatory? You could just use a string. 02:49 NekoGloop tables are love 02:49 * sokomine looks into the treasure chest 02:50 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/otb8vcn.png you found a bunch of useless tools! 02:50 kahrl NekoGloop: it shouldn't, what's the full code? 02:50 kahrl return nil that is 02:50 NekoGloop kahrl, it was a problem with my get_inventory beforehand 02:50 NekoGloop lua just sucks at error reports. 02:50 kahrl oh 02:51 NekoGloop that chest is actually a decent haul; you have two furnaces which are the rarest items of that rank of chest atm 02:52 NekoGloop the loot tables are obviously going to be redone 02:53 * NekoGloop wishes that creative could just destroy EVERYTHING regardless of whether can_dig allows it 02:54 NekoGloop I really should make the rarity of a certain slot having an item much lower 02:55 NekoGloop right now it just spams the chest with items 02:56 NekoGloop ah, that's better. Still getting like 5 of the same item, but that could probably be handed to the limited loot table 03:13 NekoGloop Well, the chests work. 03:14 NekoGloop now to randomly place them on generation 03:19 kaeza is it just me or the wooden axe chops trees slower than the hand? 03:20 NekoGloop pretty sure it does 03:22 VanessaE wood axe/pick/sword are just stupid tools to have at all. 03:24 VanessaE leaves should drop sticks rarely (1/20, same as a sapling), dirt should drop stone pieces rarely (1/20 also should do). Use those to make an adze, use that to cut a tree and mine some cobble to make a stone pick before it runs out. 03:24 * Menche had a pull request to make leaves drop sticks once 03:25 Menche way more common than 1/20 though 03:25 Menche i wanted to make that the primary method of getting sticks 03:25 NekoGloop So has anyone made a diamond handsaw and hacked away at some leaves? ;) 03:26 NekoGloop [off] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh7lp9umG2I ;) 03:26 VanessaE NekoGloop: I haven't done that yet, but some tools from gloopores can be used to break coconuts open :) 03:26 NekoGloop VanessaE, which ones? hammers? 03:26 VanessaE the axes actually. 03:27 NekoGloop ah 03:27 NekoGloop :P 03:27 NekoGloop use my handsaws on leaves, you will love the result 03:28 VanessaE well I always have an admin pick handy anyway :) 03:28 NekoGloop do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet 03:29 VanessaE OldCoder: your kitten pile is overflowing again. 03:29 OldCoder VanessaE, we will certainly look into the matter! 03:29 OldCoder They will be treated with respect 03:29 * Menche runs clearobjects on the kittens 03:29 VanessaE NekoGloop: admittedly, it IS fast 03:29 * NekoGloop is deleted 03:30 * Menche makes the universe lag 03:30 VanessaE Menche: noO!! this channel still runs 0.4.5, clearobjects is broken in that version 03:30 Menche the universe runs out of RAM and starts swapping 03:30 NekoGloop VanessaE, no the topic says 0.4.7 03:30 NekoGloop we clearly run that version 03:31 * NekoGloop forgets entirely how to write mapgen code 03:31 VanessaE heh 03:31 VanessaE NekoGloop: use plants_lib to help you out. 03:31 NekoGloop VanessaE, do you liek mai handsawz? =3 03:32 NekoGloop Glooptest should have no depends, though i shall stea- i mean borrow some code 03:32 VanessaE heh 03:32 VanessaE well as you wish I guess 03:34 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJbTjBLEKBU this is clearly made by someone who uses linux 03:43 NekoGloop VanessaE, part of the reason I don't want to use plants_lib is that these should not be perlin based 03:43 VanessaE fair enough 03:45 NekoGloop also minetest.env is deprecated 03:45 VanessaE yeah but it ain't gonna be removed any time soon 03:46 NekoGloop heh 03:46 VanessaE too lazy to go through all my mods and fix the associated references. 03:46 Menche :%s/minetest.env/env/g 03:46 NekoGloop can't you run some kind of... yeah that 03:46 Menche (or something like that) 03:47 VanessaE for i in `find ./ -type f -name *.lua`; do sed -i "s/minetest.env:/minetest./g"; done 03:47 NekoGloop ... Holy crap. 03:47 VanessaE er 03:47 VanessaE for i in `find ./ -type f -name *.lua`; do sed -i "s/minetest.env:/minetest./g" "$i"; done 03:47 * NekoGloop 's eyes burn from plants_lib 03:47 VanessaE something like that would probably work. 03:47 NekoGloop What do these arcane symbols mean...? 03:47 VanessaE which ones? :) 03:48 NekoGloop all of them 03:48 NekoGloop also what's the nodename for air 03:48 VanessaE air. 03:48 VanessaE :) 03:48 NekoGloop got it 03:49 NekoGloop what the fuck...? 03:49 VanessaE what? 03:49 NekoGloop function(...) return function(...) what 03:49 VanessaE haha 03:50 NekoGloop and this is all abm isn't it 03:50 VanessaE nope 03:51 VanessaE there's routines in there for on-generated too. 03:51 VanessaE check the API doc :) 03:51 * NekoGloop grabs a cup of coffee and continues forward 03:51 NekoGloop note: I don't drink coffee 03:51 VanessaE lol 03:53 NekoGloop I still don't understand why you did that with the function 03:53 NekoGloop remind me what minp and maxp mean 03:54 NekoGloop and also you search every single node in the chunk? :O 03:54 NekoGloop mapblock whatever 03:55 VanessaE there. All my mods have been updated to get rid of minetest.env: 03:58 kaeza suddenly: LuaError: attempt to index fooblah (a nil value) 03:58 VanessaE heh 03:59 kaeza VanessaE, also, passing named functions is A Bad Thing™ 04:00 VanessaE as in plants_lib? oh well, it's the only way I knew how at the time. 04:01 kaeza you could provide backward compat by checking if type(funcname) == "string" 04:02 kaeza and start passing actual functions instead 04:02 VanessaE maybe 04:02 VanessaE pull requests welcome :P 04:02 VanessaE (moretrees needs fixed too, then) 04:03 kaeza I'm too busy... uhh... finding the 1689213648912nd digit of pi 04:03 VanessaE lol 04:04 NekoGloop fapping* 04:04 kaeza that too 04:04 kaeza oops 04:05 NekoGloop alright, so is there any magic function for returning a table of numbers between two given numbers? 04:05 kaeza nope 04:05 NekoGloop Alright, then how do I do so 04:05 kaeza local t = { }; for i = 1, 100 do table.insert(t, n) end 04:06 NekoGloop alright 04:06 kaeza (not sure why you would ever need that, but oh well) 04:07 NekoGloop all entries between minp.x and maxp.x 04:07 NekoGloop basically everything in the currently generated area 04:12 NekoGloop mmm, how many entries does that list have? 04:13 VanessaE 6400 if you just want the surface. 04:13 NekoGloop nonono 04:13 NekoGloop between minp.x and maxp.x specifically 04:13 VanessaE well 80 if you just want one dimension. 04:13 * NekoGloop remembers mapblocks being smaller 04:14 VanessaE they are 04:14 VanessaE but on_generated returns chunks 04:14 VanessaE not mapblocks 04:14 NekoGloop :l 04:28 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0 When pilz gets here, make him watch this. It's fucking annoying after the first minute. 04:28 VanessaE there and now pipeworks no longer uses optdepends.txt 04:28 VanessaE (depends.txt ? syntax instead) 04:30 kaeza st00p33d modem -.- 04:31 VanessaE heh 04:33 NekoGloop 6 minutes and I'm already wanting to tear my ears off 04:33 NekoGloop isengard was easier to bear than this 04:34 NekoGloop probably doesn't help that this is like only a minute of the same thing 04:34 VanessaE heh 04:34 VanessaE why are you watching it then? 04:35 NekoGloop because I couldn't find anything else I've not already watched 50 times by now 04:36 VanessaE haha 04:39 NekoGloop Or there's this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFOVSWn0mI Dayum. 04:40 VanessaE I know better than to click on your youtube links :P 04:40 VanessaE :) 04:40 NekoGloop hehe 04:41 NekoGloop I guarentee that contains 69% Dayum, 39% cheese, 27% bacon, and 35% bad math. 04:41 VanessaE lol 04:48 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on neko259's head 04:54 khonkhortisan *sigh* piston-piston-floor - why can't I have a string of sticky pistons? 04:54 NekoGloop because pie 04:55 Kacey khonkhortisan, double piston extender? 04:56 khonkhortisan yes 04:56 khonkhortisan it'll extend, but it won't extract using both glues 04:56 khonkhortisan not extract 04:56 khonkhortisan retract 04:57 Kacey you have to pulse the second one again to pull the block back, but the second one also has to retract first 04:59 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa_QSBEhJGI for you NekoGloop 05:06 VanessaE a few strategically-placed µC's will solve that issue :) 05:08 Axel_GDL Hello, good night 05:08 VanessaE er, hi 05:09 Axel_GDL I have a question, I couldnt find any setup menu... does minetest have one? 05:09 VanessaE "Settings" tab in the main menu 05:10 VanessaE also you hit the "Configure" button after you select a world to set which of your installed mods are used there 05:10 VanessaE there's very little setup actually needed in this game. 05:11 Axel_GDL I didnt saw any screen configuration or keyboard or something useful 05:11 VanessaE keyboard controls are in the "Settings" menu, there's a button at the bottom to configure them. 05:13 Axel_GDL Mmm, I dont have nothing of what you say... 05:13 Axel_GDL Something is not right 05:13 VanessaE what are you trying to accomplish? 05:15 VanessaE can you make some screenshots so we can see what you see? 05:16 Axel_GDL I need to see if there is an option to configure a joystick, and maybe my videocard 05:16 VanessaE there is not. 05:16 VanessaE minetest uses keyboard + mouse, and there are only limited video controls in the "Settings" tab. 05:17 VanessaE (the idea is you configure your video card using whatever your OS would normally use for the purpose, e.g. nvidia-settings, amdcccle, etc.) 05:17 Axel_GDL So, no joystick, at all 05:18 VanessaE not directly. 05:18 VanessaE there are programs you can download that can fake keyboard input using a joystick though 05:18 VanessaE but those aren't part of minetest. 05:19 Kacey i tried playing with an xbox controller, it didnt work very well... but then again, i am still a noob 05:19 NekoGloop I did it once 05:19 NekoGloop was on Vanessa's server if memory servers 05:19 VanessaE I'm not even sure where my xbox controller is now. 05:19 NekoGloop there's an extra r in there 05:21 Kacey i meant a 360 controller VanessaE, not the original lol 05:21 VanessaE I used to use it while playing PSX games via ePSXe :) 05:21 VanessaE how's THAT for bastardized? :) 05:22 kahrl this is a description for minecraft but minetest should be very similar: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800982-how-to-play-minecraft-with-a-controller/ 05:22 VanessaE (using an MS-oriented product to play a game for the arch-enemy of the Xbox, on a computer running Microsoft's most hated OS :D ) 05:22 NekoGloop heh... 05:23 Kacey did you know that with enough hacking, a ps2 can be played with a 360 controller. i did it once 05:23 NekoGloop Did you know that ps2 emulators exist. 05:24 Kacey yeah, but it is more fun to be on an actual ps2 rather than hope to f=god that the emulator runs correctly 05:25 Kacey -f= 05:25 Kacey my backspace key hides from me 05:27 Axel_GDL Im using joy2key with a ps3 controller for this minetest game, it works like a charm with everything else but this game just don't want to t 05:27 Axel_GDL *it 05:28 Axel_GDL In Linux of course 05:28 VanessaE never tried to remap the keys in linux. 05:28 VanessaE (other than X11-compose) 05:34 Axel_GDL Oh well, thanks for the orientation... 05:34 Axel_GDL good night 05:38 * NekoGloop uses glovePIE, dunno if there's a linux version 06:09 NekoGloop back to teh hobbits 06:15 * NekoGloop would rather beat his head on a table than debug lua... 06:17 VanessaE "Some Exception: " we hate you. 06:17 VanessaE :D 06:17 NekoGloop Oh my god. 06:17 NekoGloop It loaded after only 5 code changes 06:17 NekoGloop new record 06:17 VanessaE but does it *work*? :) 06:18 NekoGloop almost 06:20 NekoGloop And, @ pilz's statement about the isengard vid... http://i.imgur.com/xP6nWeq.png 06:20 NekoGloop I am neither a n00b nor do i not have a life. 06:23 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/9Xgwi5T.png This is what I got from the rarest and best treasure chest. Fuck my life. 06:23 Kacey lol 06:25 NekoGloop Now to fuck with spawn values 06:26 NekoGloop well something I'm doing is inefficient; mapgen is taking forfuckingever 06:26 NekoGloop or... not...? 06:27 VanessaE unless you're running pretty much straight vanilla, it takes forveer. 06:27 VanessaE forever* 06:29 NekoGloop Oh, that's why I got sticks 06:29 NekoGloop I never put in anything for rank 3 or higher chests, aside from tons of sticks 06:31 NekoGloop Alright, maybe this will be more efficient if multiple people test it... is anyone able to find a treasure chest? Look anywhere but 0~-50y 06:32 NekoGloop How does one facedir nowadays, also? 06:33 VanessaE minetest.add_node(pos, { name = "foo:blah", param2 = facedirvaluehere }) 06:33 VanessaE where the facedir is 0-23 06:34 NekoGloop How do I make it face a random x/z direction? 06:34 VanessaE 0-4 for the regular rotations, numbers higher flip the node in various ways 06:34 VanessaE er 1-4 06:34 VanessaE just choose a random value 1-4 and plug it in as param2 06:34 NekoGloop and also pushed the chests to git, please help me in detecting if the chests are there :) 06:34 VanessaE make sure you set, paramtype2="facedir", (the actual quoted string) in your register_node() call. 06:35 NekoGloop I copied the chest so I'll assume that's there >.> 06:35 VanessaE heh, probably won't see too much of those on my map, everything from roughly -2000 to +2000 in X/Z directions and at least down to -50 has already been generated. 06:36 NekoGloop I'm not seeing too many of them now 06:36 NekoGloop I can't fucking find a natural one 06:36 VanessaE heh 06:36 VanessaE simple way to tell would be with an X-ray texture pack 06:36 * NekoGloop sets it to 1 out of 3 06:36 NekoGloop I'm looking for surface ones >.> 06:37 VanessaE oh 06:37 VanessaE ain't a-gonna find any on my server then :P 06:37 NekoGloop which there's supposed to be like one every... 5 mapblocks? :P 06:37 NekoGloop Rank 3 and higher are underground 06:37 NekoGloop Rank 5 starts at -500 06:38 NekoGloop and has a lot of sticks http://i.imgur.com/9Xgwi5T.png 06:38 NekoGloop because lol populating loot tables 06:38 NekoGloop WHERE ARE THE DAMNED CHESTS. 06:39 VanessaE over there -------> 06:39 VanessaE <------ over there 06:39 VanessaE and up there ^^^^^^^ 06:39 NekoGloop one out of one chance 06:39 NekoGloop how much you wanna bet there will still be none 06:40 NekoGloop VanessaE, can you look at my code on the glooptest github in extragen_module for anything that might not work 06:40 VanessaE I wouldn't know how to decipher it - I don't understand ore generation at all 06:41 NekoGloop it's not ore generation 06:41 NekoGloop it's more similar to your plants 06:41 NekoGloop >.> 06:41 * VanessaE <--- stupid! 06:41 VanessaE *looks* 06:42 VanessaE omg...you didn't 06:42 NekoGloop what 06:42 NekoGloop i didn't what 06:42 VanessaE local function spawn_chests(minp, maxp) 06:42 NekoGloop uhm... 06:43 NekoGloop yes? 06:43 VanessaE this looks something like the old generate_ore() function :) 06:43 NekoGloop except you can actually read it 06:43 NekoGloop old generate_ore() was just nonsense 06:43 NekoGloop and what's the problem with the local function 06:43 VanessaE I can see why you're getting them so rarely 06:44 NekoGloop ... 06:44 VanessaE you look for air down deep, which is somewhat rare already 06:44 NekoGloop I'm looking for air on the surface 06:44 NekoGloop which there is a shitton of 06:44 NekoGloop I'll make it so it doesn't look for air for underground ones 06:44 VanessaE well yeah for the surface it would be fine 06:44 VanessaE for the deep ones, definitely not 06:44 NekoGloop EXCEPT FOR THE FACT IT'S NOT >.> 06:44 VanessaE or you'd need to turn your chances way up 06:45 * NekoGloop has it set to math.random(1,1) for rank 1s 06:45 NekoGloop Now tell me why I can't find any 06:45 VanessaE lower the... 06:45 VanessaE hm 06:45 NekoGloop the ground should be fucking covered 06:46 NekoGloop but instead there are absolutely none anywhere 06:47 NekoGloop is it possible that my detection of the air blocks isn't working? 06:47 VanessaE line 259... 06:47 VanessaE hm 06:47 VanessaE still reading. 06:47 NekoGloop and while messing with treasure chests i find a problem 06:48 NekoGloop if you return 0 on on_metadata_inventory_put, you crash minetest 06:48 VanessaE why are you doing function(minp, maxp) spawn_chests(minp, maxp)? 06:48 NekoGloop which is what the API tells you to do for disallowing anything 06:48 VanessaE you probably want only the latter part 06:49 NekoGloop VanessaE, because on_generated is a PoS and doesn't automatically pass the minp,maxp to called functions, only the first one. 06:49 NekoGloop without that you get crashes about minp being nil 06:49 VanessaE minetest.register_on_generated(plantslib:search_for_surfaces(minp, maxp, biomedef, node_or_function_or_model)) 06:49 VanessaE that's how plants_lib uses it 06:49 VanessaE seems to work fine there. 06:49 VanessaE get rid of the function() part. 06:49 NekoGloop fine 06:49 VanessaE just call your function directly. 06:50 VanessaE minetest.register_on_generated(spawn_chests(minp, maxp)) 06:51 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/JfKpTLQ3 06:52 VanessaE strange 06:52 VanessaE that should work 06:52 NekoGloop making the function global doesn't help either 06:58 VanessaE *scratches head* 06:58 VanessaE I just can't see what's wrong 06:59 NekoGloop neither can i 06:59 NekoGloop hence me asking 07:01 * NekoGloop moves the whole spawn_chests code directly into the on_generated, and it loaded... 07:03 NekoGloop also can I stop crashing the client from the stupid metadata inventory bug pls&thank 07:05 NekoGloop does it crash the client when you attempt to put something into a locked chest you don't have privs for, as well? 07:06 VanessaE you can't even access such a chest anymore 07:06 VanessaE only the owner can even see into a locked chest now 07:06 VanessaE (which I fucking HATE) 07:06 NekoGloop heh 07:07 NekoGloop well this bug is probably why 07:07 kahrl try minetest.register_on_generated(spawn_chests) 07:07 NekoGloop it crashes the client but it works 07:07 NekoGloop meaning you could take from a locked chest. 07:07 kahrl if you put the (minp, maxp) it calls the function during the register phase 07:08 NekoGloop kahrl, I just put a function call in register_on_generated with spawn_chests's contents. 07:08 kahrl sure, that works too 07:08 NekoGloop supposedly 07:08 NekoGloop I haven't gotten over the fact that the formspec return things are bugged yet to test it 07:10 NekoGloop eh nope 07:10 NekoGloop as I said, the ground should literally be covered with them 07:15 NekoGloop well now that i've crashed minetest for the fifth time now 07:15 NekoGloop I'm going to bed 07:15 NekoGloop if anyone finds out what the problem is, pull request 07:22 kahrl you can dig one of them treasure chests, place it back and it gets repopulated? 07:24 kahrl good night 07:37 VanessaE heh 07:48 VanessaE night all. 07:48 VanessaE (hi Calinou) 07:48 * VanessaE wanders off to bed. 08:39 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Second Half of the Year Day! :-D 09:31 Zeg9 Hi 09:40 Zeg9 Choose an image for the wiki: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/furnace0.php or http://wiki.minetest.net/images/0/0f/Furnace.png 09:51 Zeg9 May I upload new renders of the steel/copper/bronze/gold/diamond blocks to the wiki? 11:17 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:21 Zeg9 Hello 11:24 StarBlessed Hey PilzAdam :) 11:28 StarBlessed Just rewrote the scripts to fetch all the git based mods. 11:28 Zeg9 I wonder how many people did that sort of scripts 11:28 StarBlessed Forgot that git pull and git fetch both try to merge. 11:29 Zeg9 afaik git fetch doesn't try to merge 11:30 StarBlessed Zeg9: not directly, but it doesnt overwrite the data locally, which is what I wanted. So I did this instead : git fetch && git reset --hard origin/master 11:30 PilzAdam git pull == git fetch + git merge 11:30 StarBlessed That way it fetches the updates, and switches to the main branch. 11:31 Zeg9 doesn't that remove local changes? 11:31 StarBlessed Exactly 11:31 StarBlessed Thats what i wanted. 11:32 StarBlessed That way, I have an always up to date local copy of the remote server. 11:32 Exio up-to-date-vanilla? :P 11:33 StarBlessed LOL! All I want is the media files, so that I can dump them all in an http session. That way anyone can use the remote_media directive in the minetest.conf 11:33 StarBlessed The intention is to speed up the logins for EVERYONE. 11:34 sfan5 hi 11:34 StarBlessed Hey sfan5 11:34 Exio does your server have infinite bandwidth? :P 11:34 StarBlessed Not infinite, but a crap load of unused bandwidth, yes 11:35 Calinou tomorrow: StarBlessed hosts a Tor node 11:35 StarBlessed LMAO! 11:35 StarBlessed :P @ Calinou 11:36 StarBlessed I dont need to Calinou. Im already running a VPN ;) 11:38 StarBlessed Exio: Put it this way, last month... Of the 20Tb per month I am allocated, I used just over 1Tb 11:38 StarBlessed Thats with all my servers running, and me torrenting my little heart out. 11:38 StarBlessed The most I've done in a month is 3Tb 11:38 Exio ah 11:39 Calinou host a minecraft server then :P 11:39 Calinou and see your 20Tb used 11:39 StarBlessed I did. Problem is, while I have so much bandwidth, java sucks too much CPU/Memory. 11:39 Exio more like the IO 11:39 Calinou what plugins did you use? 11:40 Calinou fun fact: NoLagg increases lag, and doesn't even spell "lag" properly 11:40 StarBlessed I have 32Gb RAM, but its better spent on the likes of Minetest; Diaspora and Mediagoblin 11:40 StarBlessed LOL! Calinou I was running Feed the Beast 11:41 Exio what cpu? 11:41 Exio 32gb seems like a dedi 11:41 Calinou lol, FTB 11:41 Calinou overrated inconsistent modpack 11:41 Calinou tekkit 2013 edition, basically 11:41 StarBlessed Not only that, but in the last year or so, I have come to a personal conclusion I would rather help Opensource projects with smaller user bases. Those that need the server space and where I can really make a difference 11:41 Calinou minecraft has enough servers already :P 11:41 Calinou same for any other game :P 11:41 Exio where getting 1 K of diamonds is easier than getting a stack of cobble Calinou 11:42 StarBlessed Quad Opteron Dual Core. 32Gb Dedicated ECC RAM 11:42 Exio 4 cpus? woo 11:42 StarBlessed Yup. Each core is running at 2.8GHz 11:42 Exio StarBlessed: do you own the hw? 11:42 StarBlessed Exio: Leased. 11:43 Calinou anyone wants to play hunger games on sfan5' server? 11:43 Exio aw StarBlessed :P 11:43 StarBlessed I need a server anyway, and I can manage my own, so i got a good deal 11:43 sfan5 Calinou: someone just left: 13:41:04: ACTION[ServerThread]: SuCkEr leaves game. List of players: 11:44 StarBlessed I cant own the server Exio. If I did, the internet would be dead slow. coloing here is rediculously expensive, and bandwidth highly limited. 11:44 ruskie you don't need to colo 11:44 Exio ah :P 11:44 ruskie you can just rent a server 11:45 StarBlessed ruskie: Did you read the whole conversation? lol 11:45 ruskie not really 11:45 ruskie just the last bit 11:45 Exio ruskie: read it 11:45 StarBlessed I AM renting a server 11:46 * ruskie prefers libertree to diaspora ;) 11:47 StarBlessed Anyway, Minetest; Diaspora and Minetest are all worthy projects :) I run both a Diaspora Pod and a Mediagoblin instance. Im trying to host the media for Minetest, and Jordach is running a Minetest server on here as well :) 11:48 StarBlessed Thats not including the Mail; Web; Mumble; Mediagoblin Dev server and others... 11:48 Calinou :D 11:48 Calinou steel sword, steel helmet, wood armor 11:48 Calinou StarBlessed: "Minetest; Dispora and Minetest" lol'd 11:48 ruskie really need to take a look at mediagoblin... I doubt it would fit with what I do though 11:49 StarBlessed Woops. 11:49 Calinou ownCloud is ligther, IMO 11:49 StarBlessed -1 Minetest +1 Mediagoblin 11:49 sfan5 +1 Minetest -1 Mediagoblin 11:49 Calinou anyone wants to play hunger games? 11:50 StarBlessed True Calinou, but Mediagoblin is public; soon to be federated and Im working with a couple of the devs to finish the OEmbed code. 11:50 ruskie Calinou, I'd say mediagoblin is probably better designed in the long run 11:50 StarBlessed +1 for Python ;) 11:50 ruskie and no not because of python but because it's not php 11:51 ruskie yeah mediagoblin not really something I need or want 11:51 StarBlessed LOL 11:52 StarBlessed Meh. Each to their own. I just really want to get out from under Google. No more G+ or Youtube for me 11:52 ruskie heh 11:52 Calinou federated? 11:52 ruskie I go where the content it and youtube and twitch provide what I watch 11:52 StarBlessed By the end of the week, I hope to be out completely 11:52 ruskie no I don't have a google account or anything 11:53 Calinou StarBlessed: the only google service I use is gmail 11:53 ruskie if I do need to host it though mediagoblin would be good 11:53 Calinou startmail looks promising 11:53 * ruskie recommends fastmail.fm 11:53 ruskie if you don't feel like running your own 11:53 Calinou texture pack updates (MCE/misa): removed character.png 11:53 Calinou broke armor mod support 11:53 Calinou and looked inconsistent with custom skins 11:53 StarBlessed Calinou: federated is when all the Mediagoblin instances talk to eachother and can send information (such as content and user accounts) back and forth, so no matter where you are, you can use any instance. 11:53 Calinou ah 11:54 StarBlessed A distributed network. 11:54 ruskie I'd rather see something like gnunet/freenet for a social network 11:54 Calinou ruskie: -ENOT_FREE 11:54 StarBlessed It means that in the long run, it can be completely load balanced across the whole network of instances. 11:54 ruskie then feel free to be the product 11:54 ruskie StarBlessed, not really... it just means that everyone will be able to access everything from a single instance 11:55 ruskie federation != loadbalancing 11:55 ruskie what g+ and fecesbook do is loadbalancing 11:55 Calinou whatever then 11:55 StarBlessed ruskie: rather than putting in your arguments (which are /dev/null), you should research the project. 11:55 StarBlessed Part of the federation protocol allows loadbalancing. 11:56 ruskie StarBlessed, and how exactly do you loadbalance when everyone access instanceA to access something on instances-B-Z ? 11:56 ruskie the main load is still on instanceA 11:56 StarBlessed ruskie: do I look like a developer? Really? 11:56 ruskie unless you mean that instanceA will then redirect you to instancesB-Z 11:56 ruskie StarBlessed, you seem to be 11:56 StarBlessed decieving. 11:56 ruskie StarBlessed, considering you dismiss anyarguments with /dev/null 11:57 ruskie Calinou, if you want I can give you @codemages.net email account 11:57 Calinou meh, no 11:58 StarBlessed I just know what Ive spoken with the devs over there about. The intention is Instance A to embed content from Instance B & C. B & C contain encrypted data that is sent back in data blocks from each B & C, then streamed out from A. 11:58 Calinou depends on how much space I get, and whether it is reliable 11:58 ruskie StarBlessed, yes that's federation not load balancing 11:59 ruskie StarBlessed, load balancing generally works with either picking a node from a list of them... but for that you still need to have a common entry point that then redirects the client to an instance 11:59 StarBlessed It is when its combined with a series of test to determine which available servers are going to deliver the content the fastest. 11:59 ruskie StarBlessed, again not load balancing as for embeding are we talking iframe? 12:00 ruskie Calinou, I don't limit users wrt to email storage(I myself have some 5-6GB worth of emails and that's some 7-8 years worth of mails) 12:01 Calinou ah 12:01 StarBlessed Node A has 100 concurrent users (hypothetical high use), B = 50 users, C = 10 users. Node D needs a video. D checks with the nodes who has the lowest usage, and pulls the information from those sources, in this case B & C 12:01 ruskie Calinou, as for reliable if you mean uptime... unless something breaks(HW) it generally runs 12:01 Calinou most email I get is just automatic anyway 12:01 ruskie StarBlessed, but federation would mean that in the end the originating node would still need to send the data to the requesting node 12:02 StarBlessed embedding = Unknown. Its still in the works. We're only just getting into OEmbed 12:02 StarBlessed Perhaps we are talking about the same thing from different ponts of view. 12:03 ruskie StarBlessed, ahh seems it is iframe or atleast recommended 12:03 StarBlessed Load balancing to me, means dividing the load across multiple nodes that are the the most underutilised. 12:03 ruskie else there is XSS issue 12:03 ruskie StarBlessed, yes but that requires common storage of the content then 12:03 ruskie in the case of mediagoblin the nodes themselves store different content 12:03 StarBlessed Not if its recompiled at the exit point 12:04 ruskie thus if a popular vide from nodeA is watched on nodesB-G they would still all request the data from nodeA 12:04 ruskie similar to diaspora and xmpp wrt to federation 12:05 StarBlessed Yes, but the pull request would be from B&C. The function is more CPU intensive, but requires less local space. 12:05 ruskie each stores only content relevant to itself 12:05 StarBlessed Thus solving the upper limit problem of server space. 12:06 StarBlessed Hard drive space is cheap, but only to a point. 12:06 ruskie again this doesn't load balance the bandwidth... infact it multiplies the bandwidth requirement 12:06 StarBlessed In a manner, yes. i didnt say loadbalance the bandwidth. 12:06 ruskie well loadbalance for me means loadbalance storage+network+ram+cpu 12:07 StarBlessed I was talking about loadbalancing the Drive Space 12:07 ruskie so mediagoblin already can't loadbalance storage 12:07 ruskie how? if it's only federated 12:07 ruskie or do you mean that it will cache the first view on another node? 12:07 StarBlessed No, loadbalance does not. Oh FFS. Go read about it yourself. 12:07 StarBlessed Im sorry, but Im tired and Im getting angry 12:07 ruskie don't get angry 12:08 ruskie I'm not trying to make you angry 12:08 ruskie just trying to understand the arguments 12:08 StarBlessed I know. Thats wht I apologised. 12:08 StarBlessed why 12:08 StarBlessed Its late, I just lost my job and Im a little touchy 12:08 ruskie :( 12:08 StarBlessed So Im sorry. 12:08 ruskie :(don't be 12:09 ruskie maybe it's like this... the first watch of content will cache that content on the node that was requested from and thus all subsequent watches would then be able to pull from that node as well? 12:09 StarBlessed Unfortunately, At the moment (after being made redundant at work, everything feels like a personal attack. 12:09 ruskie stop thinking that way seriously 12:09 ruskie it doesn't benefit you 12:10 ruskie start looking at other opportunities 12:10 ruskie and stay positive 12:10 StarBlessed ruskie: you may be right. Join them in channel. They're a great bunch of guys and are working really hard to get it done. They're open to suggestions and welcome input. 12:10 ruskie well it makes some sense but I won't bug them about it simply because I don't really plan on using mediagoblin 12:10 StarBlessed Fair enough :D 12:11 ruskie was just interested from a technology point of view 12:11 ruskie being a sysadmin geek kinda makes me want to know about such things 12:11 StarBlessed As far as I know, its in the python back end. Im not to familiar with the details, but its very much a planned feature. 12:12 ruskie yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it's some sort of caching 12:13 StarBlessed Ok, rather than get in everyone's way, Ill disappear for the night. Sorry again ruskie. Have a great night all :D 12:13 ruskie and stop being sorry already 12:13 PilzAdam good night StarBlessed :-) 12:13 ruskie get some sleep, read a book or something relax then start looking for new stuff 12:13 ruskie and yeah good night 12:13 StarBlessed Night night :D 12:53 Calinou dat minecraft 1.6 is out 12:53 Calinou dat server outage 12:53 ruskie hehe 12:54 ruskie kinda bored of minetest/minecraft lately 12:54 Calinou too many people excited about horses, that's all :P 12:54 ruskie heh 12:54 ruskie am excited for ffxiv: arr 14:04 RealBadangel hi 14:05 Exio hi RealBadangel! 14:19 Exio 11:22:13 up 3 days, 23:10, 2 users, load average: 90.39, 46.31, 21.73 14:19 Exio w00t, 90 load average! lol 15:38 sfan5 if this guy named "Dan Dumbcobe" replies to Spam again, I'll tempban him :annoyed face: 15:39 Calinou dan *dumb*cobe :-) 15:49 PilzAdam bbl 16:05 NekoGloop meow 16:06 NekoGloop aw, no pull requests? so nobody figured out why the chest spawning isn't working :< 16:08 * john_minetest puts a octokitten on NekoGloop's head 16:09 * NekoGloop has github on his head 16:11 harrison yr gf lets you spawn on her chest? 16:12 NekoGloop What the fuck? 16:14 marktraceur harrison: Watch the banter 16:22 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/blob/master/glooptest/othergen_module/init.lua y u no work?! 16:22 khonkhortisan Stack traceback: 16:23 khonkhortisan Does glooptest already exist? 16:23 NekoGloop ehm? 16:23 harrison "/banter mode OFF" 16:23 khonkhortisan glooptest = glooptest or {}; glooptest.extragen_module = {} 16:24 NekoGloop glooptest = {} is created in the init.lua that minetest actually detects 16:24 NekoGloop also I just updated it with the changes I made. Tell me why it no work :l 16:24 NekoGloop (before was the uber-broken one) 16:25 khonkhortisan why == 1 and not <= 2? https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/blob/master/glooptest/othergen_module/init.lua#L52 16:26 NekoGloop it's a 1 in the item_rarity+math.random(1,3) chance to spawn the item 16:26 NekoGloop besides, the chests themselves work 16:27 NekoGloop it's the spawn code that's borked :l 16:28 khonkhortisan And that's a lot of duplicate code - you should be able to skip the if rank == 1 then and just go with item = glooptest.extragen_module[rank][math.random(1, #glooptest.extragen_module[rank])] 16:29 NekoGloop khonkhortisan, populating the chests works. spawning them does not. 16:29 khonkhortisan glooptest.extragen_module.R1_treasure_chest_items shouldn't be named - it should just be glooptest.extragen_module[1]. 16:30 NekoGloop hrm 16:30 NekoGloop good point, I'll do that for optimization. But the chest spawning! Must fix the actual spawning! 16:30 khonkhortisan much easier to get to it from the rank 16:30 NekoGloop skip down to 331 16:31 NekoGloop I'll optimize the population code later. 16:32 khonkhortisan Purely to make it more readable, I'd make it ijk for minp.xyz instead if iii 16:32 khonkhortisan looks like you're using relative coordinates 16:33 NekoGloop eh? 16:33 NekoGloop so... they're all spawning at the center of the world? -_- 16:34 khonkhortisan your cube is from minp to maxp. You make a table that contains an axis of coordinates. Then you have for x going from one end of the cube to the other end, with a coordinate relative to the first end of the cube. 16:34 khonkhortisan Using coords.x[x] makes it go back to the absolute coordinates 16:34 NekoGloop That was the idea, yes. 16:34 khonkhortisan When do you use just x by itself instead of coords.x[x]? 16:35 NekoGloop Never; This was the best way I could think of doing this. 16:35 NekoGloop aka I still suck at lua, 3 months later ;) 16:35 khonkhortisan for xyz = minp.xyz, maxp.xyz do if minetest.get_node({x=x,y=y,z=z}).name == ... 16:36 khonkhortisan https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/blob/master/glooptest/othergen_module/init.lua#L348 for a position, you need to set x=, y=, and z=, instead of just table elements {1,2,3} 16:36 NekoGloop oh. 16:37 NekoGloop fuck lua mapgen. 16:38 NekoGloop so it's all failing because it's pretty much seeing nil for the pos. 16:38 khonkhortisan pos.x doesn't exist. It depends on whether it falls back to pos[1] or not 16:39 NekoGloop no because lol a fool-proof api is for wimps 16:39 * NekoGloop prepares to see spam of chests, because his local copy is checking if 1 == 1 for the chance to spawn a chest 16:41 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/rGNuxeA.jpg holy shit turn it off turn it off turn it off 16:42 khonkhortisan I'm glad I stayed away from spawning code 16:42 NekoGloop Well i guess that means it works... now to use reasonable numbers. 16:42 khonkhortisan all my code requires user interaction 16:43 NekoGloop also, the param2 generation is borked, they're all facing the same way 16:43 NekoGloop :< 16:44 khonkhortisan do you have a paramtype2? 16:44 NekoGloop yep 16:44 NekoGloop the chests themselves are like 80% normal chest code 16:46 * khonkhortisan waits to see for x = minp, maxp do 16:47 khonkhortisan oops minp.x, maxp.x 16:47 NekoGloop >.> 16:47 NekoGloop I haven't pushed anything yet, I'm fixing the spawning 16:47 thexyz john_minetest: yes? 16:50 khonkhortisan Personally I'd separate minetest.place_node from the decision about whether it's glooptest:treasure_chest_1/2/3 16:51 NekoGloop you wanna do that, then make a pull request. Once I finish touching up the spawning. 16:51 khonkhortisan or I could make you merge it :) 16:51 NekoGloop nah 16:51 NekoGloop ;) 16:52 NekoGloop also I need to make high ranked treasure chests halfassedly worthwhile 16:53 NekoGloop stick spam probably isn't a remarkable prize for finding a rank V chest 16:55 NekoGloop is paramtype2 = nil if it isn't registered in the node registration? 17:00 khonkhortisan yes 17:03 NekoGloop alright 17:11 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/7BPdK3M.png coolio 17:13 NekoGloop inb4 "BLASPHEMY!!!!11!!111!!!one!" 17:15 khonkhortisan why do you 1 in your ! not everyone has them on the same key 17:15 NekoGloop :P 17:16 * NekoGloop bumps treasure chest spawning to 1 in 500 because there's tons of chests everywhere 17:16 NekoGloop might as well give the items away at that point 17:18 NekoGloop still too much... let's try 1 in 5k 17:19 NekoGloop grrrr 17:19 NekoGloop let's be insane and try one in a billion 17:24 NekoGloop ok that's too much 17:28 thexyz yes 17:30 Jordach NekoGloop, 500k 17:30 NekoGloop lol that's still too much 17:30 VanessaE hi all. 17:30 NekoGloop meow 17:32 NekoGloop VanessaE, y u no realize that positions need to be indexed as {x=..., y=..., z=...} >.> 17:32 VanessaE I was too tired to spot it? 17:32 NekoGloop heh 17:32 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/rGNuxeA.jpg So I wound up with this ;) 17:33 NekoGloop new biome! :D 17:33 VanessaE I saw that 17:33 NekoGloop =3 17:34 Jordach NekoGloop, can i get a high res image of your avatar 17:34 NekoGloop why? 17:34 Jordach just because 17:35 NekoGloop that's the res I drew it at >.> 17:36 Jordach suggest a video game character and i will draw it 17:36 Jordach (using mcskin3d) 17:36 NekoGloop why? 17:37 NekoGloop I -do- have my own skin... 17:37 NekoGloop Vanessa's server has it, and pretty much just her server because lol it was on ompldr 17:38 NekoGloop Kacey, the point of the cloak is null when you spam the channel with a join message containing your IP anyway. 17:38 Kacey meh 17:38 VanessaE NekoGloop: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/player_NekoGloop.png 17:39 NekoGloop Oh, it's just my MC skin? Thought I remade it for MT. 17:39 VanessaE that's the one you use on my server 17:39 NekoGloop I know 17:39 VanessaE Kacey: ...especially when it's an IPv6 address :P 17:39 NekoGloop also, VanessaE: http://i.imgur.com/7BPdK3M.png 17:39 VanessaE saw it 17:40 NekoGloop =3 17:42 MarkTwain Hello everyone! 17:42 NekoGloop also does headwear work in skins yet? 17:42 Jordach YES 17:43 VanessaE indeed it does 17:43 VanessaE has for a long while now 17:43 NekoGloop heh 17:43 NekoGloop so now I actually have headphones ingame? :D 17:43 VanessaE yup 17:44 VanessaE see what happens when you don't keep up with the latest git? anything more than 10 minutes old is outdated :P 17:44 NekoGloop heh 17:44 NekoGloop My knowledge of minetest is 3 months old ;) 17:45 VanessaE well if you'd stop ragequitting :P 17:45 Jordach oh for FUCK SAKES 17:45 VanessaE Jordach: what? 17:45 Jordach nVidia driver crash 17:45 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/5YqvioY.png meow new skin 17:45 Jordach NekoGloop, i can add awesomeness to that 17:46 VanessaE ew..brown pants? :( 17:46 NekoGloop brown shirt 17:46 VanessaE I liked the blue ones better. 17:46 NekoGloop yellow pants 17:46 VanessaE oh right 17:46 VanessaE (I'm just visually interpreting the skin) 17:46 VanessaE either way I like the blue/yellow/red better 17:46 VanessaE it "fits" you 17:47 * NekoGloop wishes that MCEdit3d rendered the player worth a damn 17:48 NekoGloop Oh. I just have an abysimally old version. 17:48 VanessaE NekoGloop is now known as OldGloop 17:48 VanessaE :P 17:48 NekoGloop heh 17:48 Jordach NekoGloop, my skills at skin making are awesome 17:48 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/CskLDyU.png =3 17:49 VanessaE oh G*d 17:49 VanessaE no, just no 17:49 VanessaE put the blue shirt back!!! 17:50 VanessaE and get rid of the 1985-sized shades ;) 17:50 NekoGloop fuck you too 17:50 NekoGloop ;) 17:50 VanessaE :P 17:51 Jordach NekoGloop, http://i.imgur.com/sp7DdKc.png 17:51 Jordach improved skin 17:52 VanessaE that IS better 17:52 Jordach i shaded + smoothed it 17:52 VanessaE but those glasses....gevalt! 17:52 VanessaE this is a skin that should be drawn at about 2x the current resolution, so that some of the features can be made smaller 17:53 NekoGloop They're that big and that dark so I don't have to see you 17:53 NekoGloop Jordach, DL? 17:53 VanessaE :P 17:53 NekoGloop also I don't like the space-suit colors of my original skin 17:54 Jordach NekoGloop, i can entirely design you a new skin 17:54 Jordach also: minetest needs transparencies 17:54 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/FHQAaqH.png 17:54 Jordach those see through glasses dont work ingame 17:54 Jordach but appear dark 17:55 NekoGloop ew, you revealed how derp I look under the shades 17:55 VanessaE haha 17:55 NekoGloop So I'm assuming that I'm not getting the skin DL then 17:56 Jordach NekoGloop, i can give you the non transparent one 17:57 Jordach thar it is: http://i.imgur.com/Bl6MorW.png 17:58 MarkTwain Jordach:Can you make me a skin> 17:58 MarkTwain Unknown block one 17:58 MarkTwain But says admin 17:59 NekoGloop "I AM THE ADMIN AND YOU WILL FUCKING LIKE IT" 17:59 MarkTwain not on 16x16! 18:00 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/0lcJG1a.jpg if you were wondering how many chests were generating before~ 18:00 thexyz john_minetest: it should work 18:00 thexyz that fact doesn't make it less broken though 18:01 thexyz it's way too slow 18:01 thexyz and probably memory-intensive 18:01 thexyz and user-unfriendly 18:01 Jordach MarkTwain, something more specific 18:01 MarkTwain like unknown block but admin 18:02 NekoGloop unknown admin 18:02 Jordach unknown block is gravel 18:02 Jordach just with words 18:03 MarkTwain use unknown item 18:04 NekoGloop meow 18:06 NekoGloop alright, now to work on loot tables. 18:08 Jordach MarkTwain, you're getting something worth being used for an admin 18:08 Jordach i ain't ever cheap with my skins 18:08 MarkTwain What do you mean? 18:11 Jordach my skins look far superior to the cheap, common mc skins 18:11 Jordach i also majorly improved NekoGloop's skin by just fixing the obvious bugs 18:12 NekoGloop "improved" aka "destroyed the style of the skin" 18:12 Jordach a lot of people hate noise 18:13 NekoGloop And you're just being noisy by claiming you're better. 18:13 Jordach NekoGloop, find a skinner in this community who does decent looking skins 18:13 Kacey Jordach, i do decent skins 18:14 * Jordach laugs 18:14 Jordach laughs* 18:14 Jordach smooth as fuck without shading 18:14 Jordach you may as well as add OCD TP with it 18:15 Kacey http://i.imgur.com/8EE0oSd.png 18:15 NekoGloop hello palette swap steve 18:16 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/eF8gBwX.png 18:16 VanessaE heh 18:16 Jordach MarkTwain, ^ 18:16 Jordach brb 18:16 Kacey i use steve for a base... but the colors can be whatever the hell i feel like, like on VanessaE's server 18:19 Jordach i draw mine from scratch 18:19 Jordach i start with a white canvas and canvas for ideas 18:20 Kacey i cant do that... or else they would look strange 18:24 Jordach Kacey, here: http://i.imgur.com/pJkwt3f.png 18:24 Jordach use that as a template 18:24 Jordach for the mouth, take the regular skin colour and darken it 18:24 Jordach same for the ear holes, fingers on the bottom of the hand 18:25 Jordach hair, you simply follow the guidelines for short haired males, add a hat layer for thicker hair 18:25 Jordach remember to darken the non hat layer hair, giving the impression of depth 18:25 Kacey i think i would rather stick with my 5 minute skins... 18:25 Jordach i drew the collar by darkening the red shirt, giving the appearance of shade under the collar 18:26 Jordach Kacey, quality > quantity 18:26 Jordach VanessaE, im surprised there isnt a HDX player texture 18:26 VanessaE Jordach: I've been thinking about it but I don't know where to start 18:26 VanessaE a blocky, HDX-textured human figure looks...weird 18:27 NekoGloop HDX looks wierd in the first place 18:27 VanessaE NekoGloop: HDX has received a lot of updates and improvements since you last saw it. 18:28 VanessaE john_minetest: using my colors.txt? :) 18:28 NekoGloop VanessaE, link to git? 18:29 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512 18:29 VanessaE change 512 to 256, 128, etc for lower resolutions. 18:29 Jordach btw, im currently working on a successor to Sam 18:29 Jordach Sam II 18:29 VanessaE Sam II? 18:29 Jordach ninja'd 18:29 Jordach i really fucked it up with the shading 18:29 sfan5 !c 4*4 18:30 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 18:30 sfan5 wut 18:30 Jordach dammit MinetestBot 18:30 * Jordach puts NekoGloop on MinetestBot's head 18:30 * NekoGloop curls up in a ball 18:31 _2cool4me4_ ,g 18:36 NekoGloop VanessaE, did you nodebox your tabletops? ;) 18:36 VanessaE yes 18:36 VanessaE long ago. 18:37 NekoGloop eh hehe 18:38 VanessaE the tabletops really need some kind of node mesh though because of the rounded corners/sides 18:38 NekoGloop hehe 18:44 Jordach almost done with Sam II 18:44 Exio poor sam 18:46 Jordach Exio, the original Sam used noise 18:47 Jordach the new one doesnt 18:47 Exio perlin noise? ;P 18:48 Jordach Sam II: http://i.imgur.com/CxKA3ps.png 18:48 VanessaE not bad 18:49 Jordach i kept the checked shirt style 18:49 VanessaE Jordach: think you can devise a really nice "default" skin for HDX? 18:49 Jordach refined the hair considerably 18:49 VanessaE (I just plain suck at drawing/modeling people) 18:49 Jordach VanessaE, i can make a high res Sam, and then you make black and white maps of Cloth 18:49 VanessaE that might work 18:49 Jordach which then go on clothes 18:50 Jordach giving the impression of texture 18:50 VanessaE the face/hands/shoes are the real problem 18:50 NekoGloop What items would be appropriate for surface chests? There are two: One is more common, and generates about 1 every ~5 mapblocks. The other one is like 1 every ~50 mapblocks 18:50 Jordach (it's like bumpmapping, only better) 18:50 Jordach nah. 18:51 Jordach there's also something special about Sam II 18:51 NekoGloop Samantha. 18:52 VanessaE SAM is special like that - SAM Ain't Minecraft, and it's gender-neutral 18:52 VanessaE can't say the same for "Steve" :) 18:53 marktraceur Stevitha? 18:53 VanessaE :P 18:53 NekoGloop SAMAIGN 18:53 Jordach Sam I: http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png 18:53 Exio hi marktraceur! 18:53 marktraceur I was like "In what language is that a long form of Sam?" but now I get it 18:53 Jordach notice the difference between Sam I and Sam II 18:53 marktraceur Exio: Oh hai 18:54 NekoGloop marktraceur, ;) 18:54 Jordach Sam II isn't just a recolour. 18:54 VanessaE Jordach: the shading on the face/hands is still needed, but surely more subtle than before. 18:54 Jordach VanessaE, look closely 18:54 VanessaE oh yeah 18:54 VanessaE I do see it 18:54 NekoGloop he doesn't look like he just inhaled coal dust 18:54 Jordach its rather subtle 18:54 VanessaE ok in that case it ain't intense enough :) 18:55 Jordach there is a VERY stark change 18:55 Jordach Sam II's eyes are not three pixels up on the face 18:55 Jordach Pavel_S stated that Sam I is missing a mouth 18:55 VanessaE II does look better 18:56 Jordach and isn't drunk according to someone from the forums 18:56 Jordach (the collar now looks like a collar. 18:56 Jordach ) 18:58 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFOVSWn0mI now make a skin for this guy 19:01 VanessaE oh G*d damn it all. 19:01 VanessaE I canNOT listen to Al Hirt "Java" without seeing THIS in my head! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r395r7V7hjo 19:02 VanessaE I swear to G*d I am so ruined by that show :P 19:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: this should sufficiently displace whatever that one song was that was stuck in your head all the day the other day, as well as that banana splits theme I pointed you to :) 19:06 NekoGloop nope http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17521132 19:07 Calinou lol 19:07 NekoGloop hehe, wrong website 19:07 VanessaE heh 19:07 Calinou "go global government" 19:07 Jordach HOLY SHIT 19:07 Jordach PA isnt here 19:07 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/184 19:07 Calinou no pulseaudio for us 19:07 VanessaE Calinou: every time my playlist crosses over "Java" (Al Hirt), this comes to my mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r395r7V7hjo 19:07 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0 19:08 VanessaE NekoGloop: I know better than to click on your links :) 19:08 NekoGloop You shall do it 19:08 VanessaE did, and paused immediately. 10 hours' worth of whatever that is? no thanks :) 19:09 NekoGloop can't find the normal length vid on yt 19:09 NekoGloop eheh, and I also can't read descriptions worth a damn 19:09 VanessaE Calinou: pulseaudio is evil. 'nuff said? 19:09 Jordach pull 184 is ready to go 19:09 Jordach (minetest_game) 19:09 NekoGloop Oh god. The nicovideo version automatically switches between two versions of the song. 19:10 NekoGloop VanessaE, Just listen for the first minute or so :) 19:10 VanessaE NekoGloop: no thanks ;) 19:10 NekoGloop do eeeeeeeeeet ;) 19:11 VanessaE I'm already convinced it's as bad as the nyan cat tune :) 19:11 VanessaE (whatever it was called) 19:11 NekoGloop the literal name of the song is "nyannyannyannyannyannyan" 19:11 Jordach Chris Torres does not deserve the credit for the song 19:12 Jordach it's not even his! 19:12 VanessaE yep I know 19:12 NekoGloop and it's not like he's even using the original 19:12 VanessaE I just couldn't remember the name of it. 19:13 Jordach how about i find the original artist of the Nyan Cat song and tell him/her to DCMA the nyan cat yt video 19:13 Calinou DMCA* 19:13 NekoGloop Jordach, you speak japanese? ;) 19:13 VanessaE he can't. 19:13 VanessaE remixes for the sake of parody are explicitly allowed under US copyright law, so DMCA doesn't apply 19:13 VanessaE (not that it can't be misused) 19:14 NekoGloop and also, the original, if you're curious~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5bESZaTQ0 19:14 STHGOM does lua have arrays? 19:14 VanessaE tables. 19:14 NekoGloop and the version he used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EuPsXanYzY 19:15 VanessaE in Lua everything is a table 19:15 Jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Japan#Performers.27_rights 19:15 VanessaE (like in Unix, everything is a file) 19:15 NekoGloop Jordach, That applies to the performer. Which is a computer. 19:15 VanessaE "Non-profit performance: Works can be performed or exhibited freely if the performer is not remunerated, and the audience is not charged an admission fee." 19:15 Calinou VanessaE, ...or a directory 19:15 VanessaE interesting. 19:16 VanessaE US needs that. 19:16 Calinou a directory is not a file ;) 19:16 VanessaE Calinou: right. 19:16 Jordach Taoki, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/184 19:16 Jordach PilzAdam, minetest_game pull 184 19:16 NekoGloop Nyan Cat, as you know it, is voiced by a UTAUloid, which is a free Vocaloid. 19:16 Taoki Jordach: Very nicely improved, looks a lot better! 19:16 NekoGloop You've all listened to japanese song composing software well before me. 19:16 * PilzAdam is obviously back 19:17 Jordach yes# 19:17 Calinou dat Taoki appears from nowhere 19:17 Calinou hi 19:17 Taoki Calinou: It's called IRC highlight :) 19:17 Calinou oh, didn't see it 19:18 Jordach PilzAdam, any thoughts on Sam II? 19:20 PilzAdam there is a mod to change the texture for the player 19:20 PilzAdam no need to constantly change it in minetest_game 19:20 Jordach yes, but PilzAdam then i play my DMCA card 19:20 Jordach i revoke the Creative Commonds License on Sam 19:21 Jordach your turn. 19:21 svuorela Jordach: please read the CC 19:21 NekoGloop "PilzAdam: I delete Sam from the repo because this is my game." 19:21 Calinou the current sam is good enough 19:22 Jordach Calinou, it looks horrible 19:22 Jordach just too much noise 19:22 * Calinou would rather see curvable materials, nouveau reclocking, or both 19:22 NekoGloop or diagonal nodeboxes. 19:22 VanessaE G*d yes 19:22 VanessaE node meshes is what are needed 19:22 VanessaE is* 19:22 VanessaE are* 19:22 VanessaE etc. 19:23 NekoGloop the ability to tie a mesh to a node? 19:23 Jordach also: GitHub is US based. 19:23 VanessaE the ability for a node to BE a mesh 19:23 Jordach DMCA works there. 19:23 NekoGloop animated nodes? 19:23 NekoGloop aka complex as fuck code 19:23 svuorela Jordach: please, before you continue make a fool of your self, please point to where in the creative commons license it says that it is revokable ? 19:23 VanessaE NekoGloop: I dunno about animated, just the shape of the node and the textures applied to it are all I'm personally interested in. 19:24 NekoGloop VanessaE, Yep. 19:24 NekoGloop or at least, alter-able node graphics. 19:24 VanessaE the textures could perhaps be animated, but mostly I'd just like the ability to make my round table tops actually BE round on the edges instead of just as seen from the top. 19:24 VanessaE and pipes could be round instead of chunky 19:25 VanessaE etc 19:25 NekoGloop and not register ten million nodes 19:25 NekoGloop possibly 19:25 VanessaE well 6dfacedir allows for that now 19:25 VanessaE but not having to use dozens of nodeboxes would be of a great benefit 19:25 Jordach PilzAdam, i did not ever state this: Attribution 19:25 Jordach isnt Waived. 19:25 VanessaE probably half as many vertexes per node, I would guess. 19:26 PilzAdam Jordach, " Note, however, that once granted, CC licenses are not revocable in the absence of a breach, and even then the license is terminated only as to the particular licensee." 19:27 Jordach PilzAdam, UK copyright allows it. 19:27 PilzAdam {{cn}} 19:27 NekoGloop Can we all agree Pilz is a greedy bastard and move on with our lives 19:27 Jordach btw, anymore and I get LM into action again. 19:27 VanessaE PilzAdam: fwiw there's some obscure recent US law also that allows it for public domain works, though it takes the backing of a big corp to make that stick, 19:28 Jordach PilzAdam, btw, any work by a English citizen is owned by the Government 19:28 Jordach we have shared copyrights 19:28 PilzAdam Jordach, lets imagine you "win", and your existing texture isnt CC BY-SA anymore, do you think we will take your new texture then? 19:28 Jordach i'm fine with licensing it WTFPL. 19:28 Jordach i *hate* the current one 19:29 Jordach i rushed the 0.4.4 texture. 19:29 Jordach in time for release 19:29 NekoGloop Lets imagine that Pilz is a retar-- oh wait, he is. No need to imagine. 19:29 PilzAdam and in 10 days you hate the new one too and want it to be changed too 19:29 Jordach PilzAdam, not really. Sam I never really fitted right 19:30 Jordach he seemed dirty and way too much noise. 19:30 Jordach it's been three major releases 19:30 Calinou actually, three patch releases :P 19:30 Jordach ^ that 19:30 NekoGloop patch = major in minetest because releases aren't ever made :P 19:31 Jordach i kept the appearance 80% the same 19:31 PilzAdam Jordach, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/84 19:31 Jordach > or at least preferred. 19:31 PilzAdam i rushed the 0.4.4 texture. <- so this is wrong 19:31 VanessaE "6 months ago" 19:31 PilzAdam you already patched it after 0.4.4 19:32 Jordach i shaded it because it felt flat. 19:32 NekoGloop PilzAdam, shut the fuck up and merge it. 19:32 VanessaE PilzAdam: how much time has to pass before you consider it? 19:32 Jordach > Because I really never finished off the default skin, I forgot the shading in a rush to get @MirceaKitsune's patch merged into master. 19:32 Jordach read. 19:32 VanessaE 6 months isn't enough time to decide if a skin is good enough according to its original author? 19:33 NekoGloop It's not like it's breaking version compatibility, so stop whining about it. 19:33 Jordach PilzAdam, it looks like Sam I; only better looking overall. 19:34 Calinou about this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97517#p97517 19:34 PilzAdam Jordach, why havent you "fixed" the texture in that pull request? 19:34 Calinou it would be nice if there was a switch to enable VBOs easily 19:34 * Calinou has spare RAM :> 19:34 VanessaE Calinou: the VBO patch doesn't help me hardly at all :( 19:34 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97611#p97611 19:35 VanessaE It's gotta be my card or driver or something. fuck AMD, I'm going back to nVidia first chance I get. 19:35 Jordach VanessaE, there we go 19:35 Jordach nVidia never failed me. ever. 19:35 Jordach (MDSkin3D likes to crash my driver.) 19:35 Calinou to be honest, comparing sam I to sam II feels like comparing windows 7 to metro interface :P 19:35 Calinou not saying it's bad 19:35 * Calinou brohoofs Jordach 19:35 PilzAdam VanessaE, Taoki has the same card as you 19:36 Jordach i kept the memorable features. 19:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: and for him the difference is minimal under the same conditions. 19:36 Jordach four votes and 100% is YES! 19:36 PilzAdam Jordach, one is from me 19:36 Jordach then why isn't it merged. 19:36 Jordach [caseclosed] 19:37 NekoGloop PilzAdam, Since everything else in minetest_game is based off your whim, then why isn't it merged yet. 19:37 Calinou I voted yes 19:37 VanessaE the true acid test of any of these improvements is to stand at the spawn on my server, look north, and figure how much of a view distance you can get and still stay above 30 fps. 19:37 Jordach for future pulls from me, the community should decide 19:37 Calinou VanessaE, even if the improvement is minimal, it can be useful 19:37 Jordach exactly. 19:37 Calinou it could also be bigger in some cases 19:37 VanessaE Calinou: it's useful, don't get me wrong 19:37 Calinou so this is why I wanted a minetest.conf setting in it 19:37 VanessaE but it's not this huge 2-3x increase I've been seeing others claiming. 19:37 Calinou (or a compile time option, if not possible) 19:38 VanessaE and there IS a setting in that patch 19:38 PilzAdam VanessaE, I get 20 FPS in jungles with fancy leaves, with VBO I get 60+ 19:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: now try it on my server. 19:39 VanessaE stand at the north west corner of the spawn platform. look north. view distance of 60. let the map load up completely for that area. 19:39 PilzAdam VanessaE, the problem on your server is that because of many set_node() calls you force regenration of blocks all the time (pipeworks) 19:39 VanessaE once a second is "all the time"? 19:39 Jordach try LuaVoxelManip 19:39 Jordach VanessaE, ^ 19:39 PilzAdam VanessaE, yes 19:39 VanessaE if that's "all the time", the mesh generator is severely busted. 19:40 PilzAdam Jordach, doesnt help 19:40 VanessaE Jordach: no idea how, and besides that code will be rewritten sooner or later anyway 19:40 VanessaE PilzAdam: and also, the meshes don't change if they don't need to. 19:40 VanessaE they're ABM driven based on the pipes' names. 19:41 VanessaE in my code, a pipe only changes from empty to loaded (or a spigot from idle to flowing) if it isn't already set to such, and only if it needs to change at all. 19:42 Jordach you know whats funny? Gold blocks shouldnt have *that* much noise 19:42 PilzAdam the VBO code is only useful if the meshes are not regenerated for a long time 19:43 khonkhortisan VanessaE, surface lava 19:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: and perhaps you missed the part where I said I tried playing the world with *no* mods at all (not even default) - so everything was "unknown node". I couldn't even maintain 60 fps. 19:43 VanessaE and default textures, to boot. 19:43 Calinou PilzAdam, by definition, no ore blocks should have noise 19:43 Calinou oops, Jordach* 19:44 Jordach Calinou, gold is a pure decorative material 19:44 Jordach not noisy IRL. 19:45 NekoGloop there's no "textures" irl either 19:45 Calinou ^ that :> 19:45 Jordach so then IRL is CUDA 19:46 Jordach oh fuck. we're nVidia's bitch. 19:47 Exio irl uses opencl, not cuda 19:47 Calinou StarBlessed begs to differ, he thinks the world is made out of OpenCL 19:47 Calinou Exio, but IRL also uses physx 19:47 Exio no 19:47 Exio it doesn't :> 19:48 savedgames Anybody wanna play with me on glo server? 19:49 NekoGloop glo server so outdated 19:49 Calinou yeah, 0.4.6 19:49 savedgames but it's 0.4.7, isn't it? 19:49 NekoGloop it runs gloopORES for christ's sake 19:49 VanessaE heh 19:50 savedgames In the server list it says 0.4.7. 19:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: any further thoughts? 19:50 * Jordach bropets NekoGloop 19:50 * NekoGloop bropurrs 19:50 * Calinou brohoofs NekoGloop and Jordach 19:50 Jordach http://24.media.tumblr.com/50681a805561cd8fd0e0391a9de24467/tumblr_menghmmr3I1qbvaf3o1_500.gif 19:50 Calinou [don't have that brohoof pic anymore] 19:50 * NekoGloop slices Calinou's face 19:54 NekoGloop 2 "Maybe" votes 19:54 NekoGloop who the fuck 19:54 Jordach Maybe = YES! 19:55 Jordach 19:58 VanessaE brb 19:59 Menche reset my debug.txt a few days ago and it's already up to 950 MB 20:00 Calinou debug_log_level = 0 20:00 * Calinou has a SSD, better not use logging too much 20:00 Menche i need some stuff logged 20:00 Jordach Menche, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97611#p97611 20:00 Calinou logs are useless for client software, except for reporting bugs 20:00 Menche namely, chat, node interactions, and chat 20:00 Menche *connections 20:00 Menche lol 20:00 Calinou it used to be way worse Menche 20:01 Calinou there used to be "Pointing at node..." and "Started digging..." 20:01 Menche i noticed, rollback stuff goes into debug.txt 20:01 Calinou these were logged :P 20:01 Menche as well as into rollback.txt 20:01 Menche the normal debug.txt logging of node interactions is there too 20:01 Menche don't need that in there 3 times ;P 20:03 VanessaE back. 20:03 Calinou wb 20:04 VanessaE thanks 20:08 ShadowNinja thexyz: Can you give me edit access for the wiki.minetest.net main page? 20:09 Exio he doesn't manage that wiki 20:10 ShadowNinja Exio: Who does then? (note it is .net, not .com) 20:12 Exio hmm 20:12 Exio i don't really know, but afaik the only wiki that xyz manages/admins is the dev one 20:12 ShadowNinja http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop 20:12 thexyz ShadowNinja: how do i do that? 20:13 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/swBYXM4 20:14 Menche lol 20:15 Calinou gallery of brohoof pics ^ 20:15 Jordach PilzAdam, you know what's funny? There isn't a single 'No.' vote for Sam II 20:15 Calinou Jordach, you forgot beer 20:15 Jordach !g ballmer peak 20:15 MinetestBot Jordach: http://xkcd.com/323/ 20:17 Menche http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc Is this a Ballmer peak? 20:17 * Jordach thought it was Vista. 20:18 Jordach but actually, Vista isnt that bad. 20:18 Exio all windows are bad 20:18 ShadowNinja thexyz: I don't know. I need some sort of special access, but I haven't administrated a wiki yet so I don't know how that works. 20:19 thexyz I'll just give you admin rights then 20:19 thexyz hm, Calinou is not registered 20:19 Calinou I am registered on dev.minetest.net 20:19 Calinou are dev.minetest.net and wiki.minetest.net separate? 20:20 Jordach YES 20:20 Calinou I thought both redirected to the same place 20:20 Jordach ^ noob 20:20 Calinou newbie != noob 20:20 Jordach noob != boob 20:20 thexyz Calinou: nope, they're different 20:21 NekoGloop meow 20:22 STHGOM_ arf 20:23 thexyz ShadowNinja: done, btw 20:23 thexyz please, don't break shit, etc, etc 20:23 ShadowNinja thexyz: BlockMen set it as protected so that only admins could edit it. 20:23 ShadowNinja thexyz: BlockMen set it as protected so that only admins could edit it. 20:23 ShadowNinja Oops, my client. 20:23 thexyz right, I know that 20:25 proller warning! Calinou can grief wiki! 20:25 Calinou no u 20:26 Calinou minetest wiki is not "hardcore", so no 20:26 Exio haha 20:26 proller you can find letters h a r d c o r e on wiki and start destroying 20:29 VanessaE there, my server now runs jordach's "SAM II" skin by default. 20:29 sfan5 good night 21:02 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/bhCeyqE.png crystal glass go 21:03 VanessaE nice 21:03 VanessaE add that as a pull request to gloopblocks :) 21:03 VanessaE (I should rename it to RandomBlocks :P ) 21:03 NekoGloop it's in glooptest 21:04 VanessaE oh. 21:04 NekoGloop it will be "upgradable" with the various metals to achieve different effects on the glass 21:06 NekoGloop e.g. talinite for glowing, arol for making it harder to break, etc. 21:06 VanessaE right 21:06 VanessaE I figured you were gonna use those. 21:07 NekoGloop use what? 21:07 VanessaE those ores. 21:07 NekoGloop they are used :O 21:07 VanessaE I meant for the glass 21:07 NekoGloop one makes glowing blocks and one makes tools that last for-fucking-ever 21:07 NekoGloop heh 21:08 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/2Wq9cBm.png best haul ever 21:09 VanessaE heh 21:10 NekoGloop what any given chest has is entirely random (based on the loot table) -- it's possible that a chest will have nothing. 21:12 NekoGloop And no, surface chests don't have mese, but the rarer of the two surface chests can have obsidian fragments 21:13 NekoGloop a rather low chance of having fragments, and only 1 per stack that successfully generates, but it can have them. 21:14 svuorela so. with simple mobs, how do I farm sheep ? 21:15 svuorela I've been told that sheep follows me if I have wheat in my hand 21:15 svuorela which is correct 21:15 svuorela then I trick them into a area fenced off with 2 high dirt. then a little bit later they are gone. 21:16 Menche minetest has a habit of unloading entities and not re-loading them 21:16 Menche they might re-appear randomly sometime 21:16 Exio did you breed them? 21:16 STHGOM bye 21:18 svuorela Exio: breed ? 21:18 Exio erhm 21:18 Exio i don't know if i spell it correctly, but giving them wheat and letting the magic of the nature happen? 21:19 svuorela I was told yesterday that nature happens by itself 21:19 Exio lol 21:25 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/5TlSrYf.png yay nodeboxes~ 21:25 VanessaE supposed to be metal straps? 21:25 NekoGloop supposed to look cool 21:26 VanessaE it looks interesting, at least. 21:26 NekoGloop hehe 21:26 * Menche isn't a fan of minetest's default super-detailed selection box 21:26 VanessaE as long as you're not trying to redefine the default chest, since pipeworks does that already. 21:26 Exio set it to pink 21:27 Menche on a really detailed nodebox, the tons of black lines are a bit overwhelming 21:27 Menche like 3dforniture's tree trunks 21:27 VanessaE Menche: set a custom selection_box then 21:27 Exio you can't set the alpha though 21:27 Exio but a custom color may be useful? 21:28 NekoGloop Menche, pull a kaeza and use the irregular_nodes or whatever it is to detail of 1mil 21:28 Menche ? 21:28 NekoGloop VanessaE, to show something on the "front" of a facedir nodebox, I use x+, right? 21:28 daswort hi where can i find infos about how to write a mod? 21:28 NekoGloop er, z+ 21:28 Menche a mod that adds almost real circles? 21:29 Exio daswort: do you, already, know lua? 21:29 Menche that would probably be almost completely black with the default selectionbox 21:29 NekoGloop Menche, slopes. He made it make 1mil nodeboxes PER node. 21:29 * Menche hopes it uses a custom selectionbox 21:29 NekoGloop probably not 21:30 NekoGloop VanessaE, right? =3 21:30 daswort Exio~ a bit, that would be my project to get in touch with lua. I don't need a lua howto just how minetest mods should be formated etc. 21:30 Menche probably turns completely black when you select it 21:31 Menche daswort, here's an introduction: http://dev.minetest.net/Intro 21:31 Exio daswort: you can look at the dev wiki ( http://dev.minetest.net/ ) and the lua_api.txt in the sources, other thing you can do i reading the code of basic mods 21:31 Exio so you can understand the "structure" of them and so 21:31 daswort thanks 21:31 NekoGloop basic mods meaning anything but glooptest 21:32 Menche and mesecons, worldedit 21:32 Menche pipeworks 21:32 Menche technic 21:32 Kacey moretubes 21:32 Menche wouldn't call those basic 21:32 Menche and any mob mod 21:32 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/sXbDzlS.png rebel chest 21:42 NekoGloop meow 21:46 * john_minetest puts a NekoGloop on kitten's head. 21:46 * NekoGloop curls up with the kitten and dozes off 21:56 * kaeza puts a cephalopod on john_minetest's head 21:56 kaeza hi all 21:57 NekoGloop kaeza, I've almost completely gotten treasure chests working, just need to populate loot tables and then everyone can have treasure chests everywhere~! 21:57 kaeza NekoGloop, nice! 21:57 kaeza just found a HUGE dungeon playing in vanilla MT 21:57 kaeza wished there was something in there... 21:58 NekoGloop Sadly I don't know how to detect an MT dungeon and add something to it 21:58 NekoGloop but here's the treasure chest~ http://i.imgur.com/5TlSrYf.png 21:59 kaeza well, dungeons are the only place where mossy cobble spawns naturally, if that helps at all 21:59 NekoGloop good point 22:00 NekoGloop do you like my nodebox? :D 22:00 kaeza looks awesome 22:01 kaeza john_minetest, /me googles :P 22:01 NekoGloop (ironically that chest contains no less than 407 sticks, despite being rank V, I don't has loot tables yet :< 22:04 kaeza NekoGloop, IIRC, hmmmm was going to add some callbacks to dungeon generation 22:04 kaeza dunno if those are in place already 22:05 PilzAdam kaeza, they are planned 22:05 NekoGloop I'm going off the (probably correct) assumption that mapgen v7 will not see the light of day until 2014 22:08 PilzAdam define "see the light of the day" please 22:08 NekoGloop existing in a usable form 22:09 PilzAdam NekoGloop, is that usable enough: http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/57/Mountain2.png 22:09 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Decoration: Add schematic rotation support dd6d1afd8e 2013-07-01T15:04:51-07:00 http://git.io/QVtIcw 22:09 NekoGloop PilzAdam, no, because you swapped all the stone with grass, then call it the normal generation 22:10 PilzAdam if you add this: http://pastebin.com/xwmCD3ae to a mod then v7 is usable 22:10 PilzAdam (and a schematic file for trees, ask hmmmm about it) 22:11 NekoGloop yeah no 22:11 PilzAdam so, its already usable, but its not recommended to use yet 22:11 PilzAdam hmmmm still works on it 22:28 daswort Are there mods which introduce magic? It looks like 50% of the mods are technical (pipes, microcontrollers,… ). 22:32 sdzen search it 22:32 sdzen on the forums 22:32 hmmmm mapgen v7 is completely usable 22:33 hmmmm you just need to register biomes for it and decorations such as trees and so on 22:33 hmmmm currently, none of that is in minetest_game 22:34 hmmmm kaeza, they aren't in place yet, but i can do that pretty fast. 22:34 daswort sdzen~ i looked through 15 pages a week ago and did not find anything 22:35 NekoGloop daswort, thaumtest 22:35 * VanessaE is back. 22:35 kaeza hey V 22:35 kaeza hmmmm, ok 22:36 NekoGloop hmmmm, is there going to be an easy way to tell it to spawn e.g. my chests on the floor? 22:36 hmmmm there's already plenty of easy ways to do that. 22:36 NekoGloop but only in a dungeon 22:36 kaeza I guess it's fast enough to check for mossy cobble anyway until that 22:37 hmmmm who says so 22:37 NekoGloop eh, whatever 22:37 daswort thanks a lot NekoGloop 22:38 NekoGloop until mapgen v7 is implemented totally and standard, not going to support it. 22:38 hmmmm ok 22:39 NekoGloop for the time being.... mapgen v6 dungeons are not going to have extra chests. If one spawns in them, good for you. 22:40 NekoGloop hmmmm, said chests, if you're interested: http://i.imgur.com/5TlSrYf.png Spawn throughout the world, each one with a semi-random set of items in them. 22:41 hmmmm erm, not really interested, sorry 22:41 NekoGloop heh 22:41 NekoGloop would your decorations system let me generate these randomly around the world? 22:42 hmmmm sure could 22:42 hmmmm i don't see what's wrong with randomly placing them manually though 22:42 hmmmm you get maximum control over where it spawns that way 22:42 hmmmm there is no technical challenge here at all 22:43 NekoGloop would decorations let me spawn them more often in a dungeon? :) 22:43 hmmmm dude you can do anything. 22:43 daswort I think this page should mention that a mod needs a license text, else it can be distributed. 22:46 NekoGloop oh, decorations aren't just mapgen v7? 22:46 daswort this page: http://dev.minetest.net/Intro 22:48 NekoGloop daswort, that's up to the people who make that thing 22:49 PilzAdam daswort, that page doesnt say anything about publishing a mod 22:49 PilzAdam so no license information is needed there 22:50 daswort how can i use a default texture in my mod? 22:50 daswort i don't want to copy textures, because disk space, etc. 22:50 daswort (and texture packs) 22:50 PilzAdam just use them ;-) 22:50 NekoGloop just... reference the texture... 22:51 * sdzen smells a noob.... 22:51 NekoGloop Sorry, that's me 22:51 PilzAdam textures are grabbed from every mod and textures/all/ and placed in a big pool, where Minetest uses them later on 22:51 PilzAdam daswort, information about licenses can be found here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1271 22:52 VanessaE daswort: just use the actual filename, without using any path information. MT will find it. 22:53 daswort great :) 22:54 NekoGloop So decorations work on any mapgen? :O 22:54 PilzAdam no, not in indev 22:54 NekoGloop well, mapgen v6 22:54 PilzAdam (and obviously not in singlenode) 22:54 NekoGloop no they totally work in singlenode :D 22:54 Exio because there is no to place? 22:56 NekoGloop And I still don't have an answer yay 22:57 PilzAdam decorations work in v7, v6 and math 22:57 NekoGloop yay 23:00 NekoGloop Oh. Wait. I can't use this. 23:05 daswort is there a tool to check if a recipe is already in use? 23:05 NekoGloop it's called creative mode and the crafting interface 23:06 khonkhortisan craft guide, contained in unified inventory in technic 23:06 NekoGloop which is now a gamemode 23:06 NekoGloop which is stupid 23:09 VanessaE technic is both a game mode and a separate modpack 23:09 daswort i though more of a script or online database… 23:09 VanessaE the game mode is basically the technic modpack plus some of my mods. 23:35 kaeza mmmmm pizza 23:37 * Exio bites kaeza 23:38 NekoGloop eating healthy are you, kaeza? 23:38 kaeza as always 23:38 NekoGloop pizza is, after all, a vegetable. 23:39 marktraceur Tomato sauce? Isn't that a fruit? 23:40 kaeza also, flour is cereal 23:40 NekoGloop https://www.google.com/search?q=pizza+is+a+vegetable&oq=pizza+is+a+&aqs=chrome.0.0j57j5j0j62l2.2414j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 23:40 VanessaE I thought the real thing was that a slice contains a "full serving" of veggies 23:40 PilzAdam not if cheese is over it 23:40 VanessaE not that it *was* a vegetable. 23:41 NekoGloop http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pizza+is+a+vegetable if you're one of those hip young people 23:42 PilzAdam "Enable javascript to use LMGTFY." <- nope.avi 23:42 marktraceur Guys, butchering pizza is wrong. 23:42 * marktraceur posts pizza gore 23:42 VanessaE heh 23:42 NekoGloop another cornernote? ;) 23:48 kaeza better than pizza rule 34 23:48 * kaeza hides 23:48 VanessaE if there's a food, there's a pizza with it on it? 23:48 NekoGloop like pineapple 23:48 NekoGloop that's just disgusting 23:49 kaeza peaches too 23:49 NekoGloop ew 23:49 NekoGloop people seriously put peaches on pizza? that's fucking gross. 23:50 kaeza yes 23:50 kaeza an old colleague of mine used to do... disturbingly disgusting recipes 23:50 kaeza like hotdogs & marmalade 23:51 marktraceur What's wrong with pineapple!? 23:51 VanessaE can't be any worse than a twinkie-wiener sandwich. 23:52 kaeza ew 23:52 VanessaE * kaeza googles it 23:52 NekoGloop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFOVSWn0mI on the subject of food 23:52 sdzen bbq sauce and popcorn together... 23:52 sdzen good b4 vomiting 23:53 * VanessaE offers everyone a chocolate-peanut-butter protein bar. now THESE are good. 23:53 NekoGloop ew protein bars 23:53 sdzen actually not bad 23:53 sdzen some at least 23:53 VanessaE NekoGloop: no really, these are good. this one tastes like a Snickers candy bar. 23:54 * sdzen thinks he knows which brand VanessaE is talking about.... 23:55 VanessaE sdzen: "Pure Protein" 23:56 sdzen :P 23:57 VanessaE *shrug* that's the brand name 23:58 VanessaE made by...*reads back of box*.. "Worldwide Sport Nutritional Supplements, Inc." in Bayport, NY 23:58 VanessaE whoever the hell they are 23:58 sdzen aliens 23:59 VanessaE idc, they taste good and they work :) 23:59 NekoGloop they are cats