Time Nick Message 00:00 PilzAdam but for me lua-api.txt as it is is the most useful format 00:00 PilzAdam and I guess for other modders too 00:00 sapier PilzAdam you're not center of world ;-) neither am I 00:00 sapier I had vanessae's problem months ago and thought it was only my problem 00:00 PilzAdam lua-api.txt aims at modders, not as regular users 00:01 sapier but I guess me and vanessa aren't the only ones not finding paramters for "play_sound" 00:01 PilzAdam *at 00:01 sapier and modders don't need help? ;-P 00:01 Exio if you can make something userfriendly keeping the simpleness, do it 00:01 Exio modders are humans 00:01 PilzAdam I had to look up the parameters of sound_play() too (2 times actually), but I always found what I needed 00:02 sapier who has written sound support? who merged it? 00:02 PilzAdam c55 I guess 00:02 PilzAdam it was added when I first got 0.4 IIRC 00:02 sapier ok so at least you didn't know it ;-) 00:03 NakedFury the lua api could use some organizing love 00:03 PilzAdam maybe I should write a tutorial about how to use lua-api.txt 00:03 NakedFury lua api.txt 00:03 sapier I like the parser idea 00:04 NakedFury pdf file indexed with everything in parts, etc 00:04 sapier we already have almost a markup language there 00:04 sapier I guess it could be extended to really be a parsable language ... but this requires any change to be checked prior merge 00:04 NakedFury what will the parser do? 00:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: sign onto my server please 00:05 PilzAdam I would prefer a hand written pdf, to add examples and stuff 00:05 VanessaE or codedevil since you mentioned the bug 00:05 sapier e.g. create some interlinked html doc 00:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, why would I? 00:05 VanessaE to help me test this fehcockta sound issue. 00:05 sapier PilzAdam a handwritten pdf is as useless as wiki as it'll be outdated most of time 00:06 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/HmdBH8gj 00:06 VanessaE there's the code as it stands now. 00:06 PilzAdam not if we put it in doc/ and add a rule to update it each release 00:06 sapier release ... lol 00:06 sapier so it'll be up to date for ... 1 day? 00:06 Exio 15 minutes 00:06 MinerofLands PilzAdam is there a way to check your skills? 00:07 MinerofLands like /skillcheck or whatever 00:07 PilzAdam sapier, the newly added API functions are unstable anyway 00:07 PilzAdam and its not like we rewrite the API after each release 00:07 PilzAdam MinerofLands, not yet 00:07 PilzAdam I can add it 00:07 PilzAdam VanessaE, yep, 5 nodes hear distance 00:08 VanessaE ok good 00:08 VanessaE is the volume falling off like it shoul? 00:08 sapier pilzadam I'm not talking about how it should be but what it's like ... 0.4.6 was deprecated about 2 weeks after release 00:08 VanessaE should* 00:08 VanessaE yes it is. 00:08 sapier I guess 0.4.7 will hold for about 2-4 weeks until major improvements will be added 00:08 VanessaE ok, that fixed that stupid bug :) 00:09 PilzAdam sapier, well, minetest.get_world_directory() is up-to-date since forever 00:09 sapier yes and "if" will be there tooo ... but it's the new functions most moders need docs 00:09 PilzAdam sound_play() is not new... 00:10 PilzAdam and most mods are designed for stable release anyway 00:10 sapier lol 00:10 sapier I guess you're the only one with this oppinion 00:11 sapier if this was true I could fetch all your mods from 4 weeks ago and run at minetest-0.4.6 ;-) 00:11 MinerofLands PilzAdam its pretty cool so far :D im testing it 00:12 PilzAdam MinerofLands, /giveme economy:shop 00:12 PilzAdam has no textures yet 00:12 kahrl if wiki modifications could be attached to pull requests it could be made a requirement to keep the dev wiki in sync 00:12 PilzAdam MinerofLands, and /setmoney singleplayer 1000000000 00:12 sapier still neither play_sound nor set_animation nor attach doc have been fixed for at least 3 releases ;-) 00:12 MinerofLands still skills arent given automatically i think 00:13 sapier yes kahrl that'd be an option still I'd prefere offline doc 00:13 PilzAdam sapier, fix sound_play().... what is broken? 00:13 PilzAdam MinerofLands, yes, somone in the forum repsonded to your topic 00:13 sapier "parameters" 00:13 kahrl sapier: wiki -> pdf converters exist 00:13 PilzAdam MinerofLands, I was waiting for you to tell me your ideas 00:14 kahrl in fact I helped write a special purpose one one time 00:14 sapier kahrl do those keep links? 00:14 kahrl they should, if written well 00:14 PilzAdam MinerofLands, best thing would be if you write them to the forum topic, its already too late here 00:14 sapier sounds to be an option worth evaluating 00:14 VanessaE ok now why the heck aren't the gates sounding right. 00:15 sapier but I guess primary problem is commit/wiki linkage 00:15 VanessaE just re-rendered the sound for those. it's mono, 48kHz, ogg, and using exactly the same sound code as the doors use. 00:15 PilzAdam sapier, kahrl, we just need a modder community that keeps the wiki up to date 00:15 kahrl PilzAdam, that hasn't happened 00:15 sapier yes I know if gouvernment doesn't fit ppl just exchange ppl 00:16 PilzAdam announce it in the forums or so 00:16 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/doors_and_gates.lua#L328 00:16 VanessaE what's wrong with this code? 00:17 codedevil VanessaE: try gain 1 00:18 VanessaE codedevil: that's the exact same code as the doors are using and it works fine there. 00:18 PilzAdam Im going to sleep now; bye 00:23 khonkhortisan I just saw my username on the minecraft forum. *grumble youtube embed grumble* 00:28 VanessaE damn it damn it damn it 00:29 VanessaE sound positioning is right but the volume level is too quiet (always was) 00:29 VanessaE and it doesn't fall off smoothly with distance 00:29 VanessaE wtf am I doing wrong? 00:29 sapier nothing I realized same problem 00:29 sapier or we are doing same thing wrong 00:32 VanessaE sapier: the code as it stands now: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/doors_and_gates.lua#L301 00:34 sapier I don't se any bug but sound is quite strange as it doesn't honor walls 00:34 sokomine might be too much load for the server to handle walls etc 00:35 VanessaE I don't care too much about that, only that it is loud like it should be. My sounds are normalzed to -3dB, so it isn't exactly quiet. 00:35 sapier I guess it's implemented x² which is really fast drop in sound level ... 00:35 VanessaE and that the volume falls off over distance like it does for other stuff 00:35 VanessaE instead, it's quiet from the start and just abruptly cuts off when I get far enough away 00:35 kahrl it actually calls alDistanceModel(AL_EXPONENT_DISTANCE); 00:43 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 00:44 Exio hey 00:47 sokomine i only use sound for the bells mod run on the kingarthur server. it does have localised sound as well. how localized it is i don't know 00:47 sokomine didn't test it that intensively 01:01 Exio "44 minutes remaining" 01:01 Exio finished in 30 seconds or less 01:01 Exio i missed windows 01:18 ch98 does anyone have a spare computer with internet and minetest competable cpu? 01:18 Exio for what? ;P 01:19 ch98 making mods over vnc and looking at servers over vnc 01:20 ch98 meaning using that cpu and this screen 01:20 Exio the latency will kill you 01:21 ch98 I don't think minetest will be built for few month on ppc 01:21 ch98 better thab nothing 01:21 ch98 than 01:21 Exio what about getting a x86 desktop with a cheap APU? 01:21 ch98 no money 01:21 Exio i said "cheap" 01:21 Exio meaning you will end with a low-end cpu what probably performs better than that ppc ;) 01:22 ch98 how long will $200 laptop last? 01:23 SmugLeaf chromebooks are nice 01:25 Exio and expensive as hell SmugLeaf 01:25 Exio ch98: laptop? i said desktop, performance/price 01:26 ch98 it is cheeper by time it lasts to buy little newer mac than cheap ones 01:26 SmugLeaf http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE303C12-A01US-Chromebook-Wi-Fi-11-6-Inch/dp/B009LL9VDG/ref=br_lf_m_2858603011_1_1_img?ie=UTF8&s=pc&pf_rd_p=1531202082&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2858603011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1DZ1N5CNYQNDD1N15NP8 01:26 SmugLeaf https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_samsung_wifi 01:26 SmugLeaf http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131403 01:27 SmugLeaf > $250 01:27 SmugLeaf > expensive 01:27 SmugLeaf Exio: fucking what? 01:27 * Kacey is amazed ShadowBot hasnt kicked yet 01:27 ch98 $200 means $132 01:27 SmugLeaf like, I've seen stuff cheaper then a chromebook 01:28 SmugLeaf but i would never ever pay for it 01:28 SmugLeaf ever 01:28 SmugLeaf ch98: find a AIO apu "desktop" computer 01:28 Kacey i have a 350 USD laptop 01:28 Exio running MT in a VM 01:28 Exio 57 FPS when looking at the sky :D 01:28 SmugLeaf Kacey: so do I, screen is extra terrible 01:28 Exio and 35~ when looking around 01:28 SmugLeaf the rest of it is nice considering 01:28 ch98 some people has computer they almost never use lying around powerd up taking useless electricity 01:28 Exio this computer was 1000 USD in total for me 01:29 Kacey 15 inch screen 01:29 Kacey windows 8 installed 01:29 Kacey not a bad computer 01:30 SmugLeaf http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1241558 01:30 SmugLeaf or keep poking newegg for something like this 01:31 SmugLeaf http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=apu+desktop&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Page=2 01:31 SmugLeaf tons of stuff here 01:31 SmugLeaf way faster then ppc 01:31 Exio than* 01:31 ch98 do you know how fast this laptop is? 01:33 SmugLeaf 21:22:24 < ch98> how long will $200 laptop last? 01:33 SmugLeaf a week 01:33 Exio i'd say two 01:33 SmugLeaf a month if you duck tape pillows to it 01:33 ch98 yes and $3000 mac lasted almost 10 years now 01:34 ch98 that is 120 month 01:34 SmugLeaf my p4 is probably about that old 01:34 Exio my amd duron 01:34 Exio has more than 10 years, and still works like the first day 01:34 Exio the problem is, the stuff from today is not the same as it was 12 years ago 01:35 SmugLeaf vendor: American Megatrends Inc. 01:35 SmugLeaf physical id: 0 01:35 SmugLeaf version: 1007.005 01:35 SmugLeaf date: 08/04/2005 01:35 ch98 tecnology is moving fast 01:35 SmugLeaf almost that old 01:35 Exio 2001 here :D 01:36 SmugLeaf this pc cost me maybe 500 bucks 01:36 SmugLeaf but it has 6 hard drives in it 01:36 SmugLeaf so that's at least 70% of the money spent on it 01:37 SmugLeaf buy apple doesn't give you anything 01:37 SmugLeaf except shiney 01:37 SmugLeaf but it's your money, do what you want 01:37 ch98 wait.... gcc4.2 is almost built 01:37 Exio the funny thing is, ch98 doesn't have enough for a new mac 01:38 SmugLeaf # gcc-config -l [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.6.4 * [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.7.2 01:38 SmugLeaf Exio: that's ok 01:38 ch98 only thing wrong on there is battery and cpu type 01:38 SmugLeaf he can wait a few more years 01:38 ch98 on here 01:38 Exio i'm pretty sure the cpu speed would be too 01:38 SmugLeaf then play with us 01:38 Exio hahaha 01:39 SmugLeaf my current laptop is a dell precision I ebayed for 380~ish 01:39 ch98 I wish someone had ppc computer so I can work with them on compiling it 01:39 SmugLeaf I could setup distcc if you want 01:40 SmugLeaf actually I couldn't, too lazy 01:40 SmugLeaf I have enough toolchains on this 01:40 Exio haha 01:40 Exio i'm being lazy 01:40 Exio so playing around in a wxp vm 01:41 SmugLeaf Exio: I dropped my laptop on asphalt 01:41 Exio i can't drop my laptop anymore 01:41 SmugLeaf it cracked the corner, and put a dent into the asphalt 01:42 Exio the last time i dropped it; a plastic in the corner broke 01:42 SmugLeaf I just put a bit of epoxy on the inside 01:42 SmugLeaf precisions are made of metal 01:42 SmugLeaf they are mobile work stations 01:42 SmugLeaf which is why I bought it 01:42 Exio i'm now a desktop guy 01:43 Exio i prefer price/performance over portability 01:43 SmugLeaf I agree 01:43 ch98 so noone has computer just lying around? 01:43 SmugLeaf ch98: no 01:43 SmugLeaf well I have a p3 I could boot 01:43 SmugLeaf but it's a server so the scsi raid array is too noisy 01:44 SmugLeaf Exio: but my work means I have to have a "desktop" with me at all times 01:44 SmugLeaf so I got this 01:45 SmugLeaf I can't complain for the price 01:45 SmugLeaf ch98: just keep saving, you'll get that new mac in a few years 01:45 SmugLeaf I'm sure it won't be too out of date 01:45 Exio or a powerful desktop (or even laptop) in just months! 01:47 SmugLeaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#Technical_specifications_3 01:47 SmugLeaf > $2000 for ivy bridge 01:47 SmugLeaf not out of date AT ALL 01:48 ch98 then, most likly, my pc will be fixt or minetest will be built successfully in ppc mac in few month. 01:48 Exio i'm not sure it will be able to handle MT with more than 4 FPS 01:48 ch98 why not? 01:48 SmugLeaf ppc is pretty inefficient 01:49 Exio not because that 01:49 Exio because you have an old laptop 01:49 SmugLeaf that's why mac switch from ppc to x86 01:49 Exio and want to run a new program 01:49 SmugLeaf and you probably have a ati rage128 or something 01:49 SmugLeaf in that 10 year old pc 01:49 ch98 is there any way to get fairly good guess on fps of minetest? 01:49 Exio a new pc 01:50 SmugLeaf compile it 01:50 SmugLeaf and benchmark it 01:50 ch98 on this computer so if i should do it 01:51 SmugLeaf http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66823#p66823 01:52 SmugLeaf also it seems there is a lower limit on the osx version needed 01:53 ch98 irricht 1.7.3 works 01:54 Exio that is only the basic-engine-wrapper in minetest 01:56 ch98 what exactry makes minetest not compile in older computers? too old of compiler? 01:56 Exio no idea 01:57 Exio it compiles in fbsd for a core dev, with gcc 4.2 iirc 01:58 ch98 so only thing is to find out how to get gcc 4.2 to work with xcode here 02:21 MinerofLands joo joo 03:04 Exio how ironic 03:05 Exio minecraft in a vm with lowest settings, 50~70FPS 03:05 Exio minetest in a vm with the lowest settings (somewhat similar), self built minetest, pilzadam's build, and official, more than 55 FPS only when looking at the sky 03:07 Exio same conditions, not rendering anything and look to the sky in MC is like 95 to 100 FPS 03:09 Exio that is faster than my netbook in both cases... how sad 03:09 ShadowNinja Depends on the hardware? But Minetest could certainly use some work in the graphics speed department. 03:11 Exio a vm running with three cores in a bulldozer x6 6100, nvidia gt 610 is the host gpu, enabled "3d and 2d accel" in vbox's settings, (32b guest system, windows xp sp3) 03:13 ShadowNinja So, good specs. Minetest should have a good computer setting. 03:14 Exio in the host system (debian sid), MC and MT work very well 03:19 arsdragonfly|pho does the official 0.4.7 build has cURL support? 03:19 arsdragonfly|pho *have 03:19 Exio should 03:36 Exio so cute 03:36 Exio the vm with minecraft + far, fancy, smooth lighting maximium, 30~35 FPS (some vsync) 03:59 Exio night 04:28 Miner_48er i'm looking for the node removal code in Zeg9's itemframes it seems to use a nonstandered removal code could can_dig be used this way? https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-itemframes/blob/521a9ef5594eff22038f6d8b255d6f47c82ea90f/itemframes/init.lua 06:39 reactor Greetings! 06:58 khonkhortisan I should just use a c++ library to get some 3d functions in lua 07:03 khonkhortisan how do I set the font size in minetest? 07:18 VanessaE ok, purged my video driver, irrlicht, luajit, and minetest, rebooted, recompiled/reinstalled each of them in that order, and rebooted again, and I'm still getting crappy performance near the spawn on my server 07:18 VanessaE I'm utterly out of ideas. wtf is going on with this? 07:22 reactor So, eh. The screens, where do I upload them? 07:22 VanessaE imgur or so 07:22 VanessaE tinypic 07:22 VanessaE any of those sorts of places 07:23 reactor To be more precise, it looks like it renders with FOV less than the FOV displayed. 07:25 VanessaE now that I don't know about 07:27 khonkhortisan I can walk into a wall and still not see it at 5 view distance 07:28 VanessaE khonkhortisan: do you get the same sort of FPS drop near the spawn? like half your usual rate? 07:28 VanessaE particularly if you look north? 07:28 reactor God, why should most sites be so mouse-requiring? 07:29 reactor So, here comes one: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fjot9v&s=5 07:30 VanessaE oh yeah 07:30 VanessaE that's a known issue 07:30 VanessaE though it's usually less severe 07:30 reactor Also, the blocks' surfaces look like they're two polygons z-fighting 07:30 reactor can be seen there, I think 07:34 VanessaE that happens too 07:35 reactor hmm 07:35 VanessaE especially if there are slabs/stairs + water involved 07:35 reactor https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/718 related? 07:36 VanessaE you know, I think I'm getting bit by that out-of-indicies issue (or rather, the effect of it) when I'm near the spawn 07:36 VanessaE but there isn't that much stuff here, I've seen far more on redcrab's server and not experienced this kind of frame rate drop 07:36 VanessaE reactor: I believe so, yes 07:37 VanessaE I used to be able to get 35-30 fps with 512px textures and a view range of 170. Now I can barely sustain 25 with default textures and a view range of 60. 07:38 VanessaE there's some weird performance regression going on here 07:38 khonkhortisan I'm slowing down with terminals, text editors, and the server map. 07:38 VanessaE s/35-30/25-30/ 07:38 ShadowBot What VanessaE meant to say was: I used to be able to get 25-30 fps with 512px textures and a view range of 170. Now I can barely sustain 25 with default textures and a view range of 60. 07:38 VanessaE hah, it interprets sed expressions now? 07:39 khonkhortisan what khonkhortisan meant to say. 07:39 khonkhortisan s/khonkhortisan/ShadowBot/ 07:39 ShadowBot What khonkhortisan meant to say was: what ShadowBot meant to say. 07:39 khonkhortisan ha! 07:39 VanessaE hha 07:39 VanessaE haha 07:40 khonkhortisan I assume it only works on what I say 07:41 VanessaE s/assume/suppose/ 07:42 reactor Also, in some cases, transparent things are drawn in black. 07:42 ShadowBot VanessaE: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages. 07:42 VanessaE HAH! 07:42 VanessaE DOS attach the bot :D 07:44 * VanessaE watches the blinkenlights on the 'share and enjoy' sign 07:46 reactor It's getting better, actually, if I stretch the window as though my screen was a widescreen. 07:51 reactor The inventory gets messed up on low resolutions. 07:53 VanessaE oop 07:53 VanessaE wrong button. 07:53 VanessaE eh, just as well, I'm off to bed. 07:54 reactor night 07:55 VanessaE night all 08:31 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Iced Tea Day! :-D 08:37 reactor ? 08:37 reactor Cold tea sucks. 08:38 JamesTait It's better than no tea. And it's such a shame to let good tea go to waste, so I have no quarrel with iced tea. 08:43 khonkhortisan wow it takes 5 seconds to play all the noteblocks when they're connected to the same button 09:05 reactor pkglint \m/ 09:28 rubenwardy Hi guys! 09:31 reactor Afternoon. 09:44 Exio reactor: try with burningsvideo 09:44 Exio i had the same problem here with software 09:45 Exio and stuff is too glitchy with the software renderer anyway 09:45 reactor ? 09:45 reactor burningsvideo? 09:45 Exio video_driver 09:45 Exio the other software renderer 09:46 reactor Wow. 09:46 reactor I might have guessed! I used to be good at random poking. 09:46 reactor :( 09:47 reactor Thanks, man. 09:47 Exio aw 09:47 reactor Now to the audio crash. 09:47 reactor I think I should find libogg :D 09:47 Exio hehe 09:48 Exio what specs does your desktop have btw? 09:48 reactor Core 2 Duo @ 2000 MHz 09:49 Exio kk 09:49 reactor about 3072 MB RAM 09:49 Exio 3gb :P 09:50 reactor As for the VGA, NVIDIA the hell knows the model. 09:50 reactor I mean, I forget. 09:50 Exio lol 09:50 reactor I don't use it often, anyway. 09:52 reactor To play games, I usually boot Linux from an external disk, and it bugs me a lot, for I don't have time to set up everything in two OSes. 09:53 Exio i just play RE, MC (yes, kill me), cs cz and hl 09:53 reactor I do play MC, too. 09:53 Exio aw :P 09:53 reactor I'm just upset by the fact it's in Java. 09:53 reactor And it's heavy as hell, I doubt I could run it on software rasteriser. 09:53 reactor And it's getting crappier with every release. 09:54 Exio i'm sad about minecraft being faster than minetest 09:54 Exio in the vm or with high settings 09:54 reactor in the vm 09:54 reactor hmm 09:54 reactor qemu? 09:54 Exio http://cadoth.net/~exio4/private/wtf.gpu.png 09:54 reactor wait a second, how do you forward PCI devices? 09:54 reactor I thought it was unsupported. 09:55 Exio i don't use qemu for windows :P 09:55 reactor eh? 09:55 Exio the guest is windows xp sp3 09:55 reactor or... qemu-kvm? 09:55 reactor or xen? 09:55 Exio graphics reactor, graphics 09:55 reactor ?! 09:55 reactor Ah. 09:56 Exio for now, vmware and vbox are the "possible" solutions for that stuff 09:56 reactor hmm 09:56 Exio and no, i don't have a spare gpu to plug directly to a VM 09:56 reactor Well, I don't know... I'm still waiting for the PCI forwarding thing to become mature in either virtualisation technology. 09:57 Exio you can do that with qemu now, iirc 09:57 reactor Because that would allow me to stay comfortable while also running games. 09:57 reactor Good. 09:57 reactor Or... qemu-kvm? 09:57 reactor The problem is, I don't have hardware virtualisation support here. 09:58 Exio http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM3NTk 09:59 reactor Good. 09:59 Exio sorry, have to go 09:59 Exio later :P 09:59 reactor See you. 10:07 StarBlessed Hey guys (and girls), how do we feel about this latest information about security breaches by the FBI and CIA into Google Plus and Facebook? I'm looking for opinions. 10:08 reactor "Pwneth!" 10:10 reactor Yes, I'm honest. People shouldn't put so much personal information on the web for the first place. 10:10 reactor s/for/in/ 10:10 ShadowBot What reactor meant to say was: Yes, I'm honest. People shouldn't put so much personal ininmation on the web for the first place. 10:11 reactor ShadowBot the ed(1). 10:11 reactor :) 10:11 reactor Some time ago, I've had an idea for an irssi plugin. 10:11 reactor That edits the buffer according to people's regexes. 10:12 reactor So that edits don't appear as separate messages. 10:12 reactor But eh. I don't know perl. 10:13 Calinou StarBlessed: cool story® 10:13 reactor How about social networks were developed by FBI and CIA? Eh! 10:13 Calinou no 10:14 Calinou people do not spy on people if they can't make money out of it 10:14 Calinou people need to stop being so scared of FBI/CIA/NSA 10:14 reactor Why not, that would explain everything. 10:14 Calinou are you a criminal, reactor? 10:14 reactor No. 10:14 reactor But they want to outlaw data sharing. 10:14 Calinou why are you scared of government spying then? 10:14 reactor ^ 10:14 reactor Besides, I live in Russia. 10:15 reactor It's normal to be scared of government spying on you here. 10:15 Calinou are you a pussy riot then? 10:16 reactor No. 10:16 reactor I run a torrent daemon most of the uptime. 10:16 reactor That's why. 10:17 Calinou torrenting is legal 10:17 reactor It is. 10:17 reactor But these dumbasses... 10:17 Calinou as of today noone has been sued for torrenting. 10:17 reactor Do you really think anyone will listen to your technical gibberish when they seize your machines? 10:17 reactor Oh. 10:17 Calinou why would they do that in the first place? 10:18 reactor I don't know. Eh. 10:18 reactor Don't worry, I've got my paranoia under control here. 10:22 StarBlessed The only reason I ask, is because Im contemplating leaving (or at least lessening) my presence on the major social networks, and redirecting to the more secure and distributed networks. 10:23 Calinou like NoOneGoesToSpora? 10:23 * Calinou rolleyes 10:24 reactor Hmm. 10:24 reactor Hmm. 10:24 Calinou tip: facebook is a waste of time 10:24 reactor True that. 10:24 StarBlessed Interesting enough, Im on Diaspora. There are actually more people than you might think. A fair amount of my friends are there. 10:24 Calinou good for you 10:24 Calinou but it does not work for everyone 10:24 reactor Why not roll yer own site instead? 10:24 StarBlessed No, it doesnt. I agree. 10:25 reactor You have a machine to run overnight, don't you? 10:25 StarBlessed reactor: I was thinking about it. I have the server and bandwidth, why not use it. 10:25 Calinou I don't, I'm not wasting electricity 10:25 Calinou this is why "experienced" people use centralized services 10:25 reactor Oh. I've found a good thing. Electricity is not very expensive here in Russia. 10:25 Calinou and I don't even talk about people who don't know what is a web server 10:26 Calinou reactor: ~13 cents per 1000 watts here 10:26 reactor watt-hours, you mean? 10:26 Calinou yea 10:26 reactor oh 10:26 Calinou "watt-hours" is stupid 10:26 reactor no 10:26 reactor nonono 10:26 Calinou it is just like "watts" 10:26 reactor W is the unit of POWER 10:26 reactor not ENERGY 10:26 reactor eh 10:26 reactor N*t=W 10:26 Calinou whatever 10:26 reactor where N is power, t - time, W - energy 10:27 Calinou nevermind 10:27 reactor Physics, man! 10:27 * StarBlessed grins 10:27 reactor Hell. I don't know what they teach at school nowadays. 10:27 Calinou physics? I wrote "big rigs". 10:27 Calinou have to go now 10:27 StarBlessed LMAO! 10:27 rubenwardy Watt is the unit of power? 10:28 reactor Isn't it? 10:28 reactor Ampere*Volt = Watt 10:29 StarBlessed Watt / Volt = Amp & Watt / Amp = Volt 10:29 reactor rather, (Ampere + i*Ampere) * (Volt + i*Volt) = Watt + i*VAr = VA 10:29 StarBlessed lol 10:29 reactor (in AC) 10:32 reactor mm. 10:32 reactor Burningsvideo. 10:32 reactor Where do I change its settings? 10:32 reactor It seems to use some weird filter on all the textures. 10:32 reactor And they look blurry. 10:33 StarBlessed Is it an app? 10:34 reactor Burningsvideo? 10:34 reactor Nein, it's a driver. 10:34 reactor A software rasteriser, but another one. 10:34 StarBlessed Ok, for windows I take it? 10:34 reactor Works better now, but eh. The textures look weird. 10:34 reactor BSD. 10:34 StarBlessed Ive never seen the name on Linux 10:34 StarBlessed Oh, really? 10:34 StarBlessed Nice 10:35 reactor You know, BSD and Windows have something in common. 10:35 reactor And that something is TCP. 10:35 reactor Namely, M$ had ripped TCP utilities from BSD back then. 10:36 StarBlessed LMAO! Ok, ok. 10:36 reactor ... as always the case is BSD's permissive-submissive license :( 10:36 reactor I like the viral nature of GPL better myself. 10:37 reactor *shrugs* 10:37 reactor :) 10:38 * StarBlessed smiles. 10:38 StarBlessed I understand 10:42 reactor I think... some components are better licensed virally, and some are not. 10:43 reactor For example, it's better to keep crucial, peculiar parts from being closed-sourced by commercialists. 10:43 reactor But the general principle of function... why not? 10:43 Exio reactor: that is why i think the GPL is "better" ;P 10:44 reactor Well, what I'm trying ot say, we need some license that would enforce itself, like GPL, for a determined set of components. 10:44 reactor ...while not doing so for the rest. 10:44 reactor Or vice versa. 10:44 Exio yes, but i mean for special things what aren't oneliners or are very important or "core" 10:45 reactor Yep. 10:45 reactor That combined license would keep commercialists interested in developing the thing and contributing to it. 10:46 reactor The developers would then be able to trade permissions to close-source something for contributions or money. 10:47 Exio well, yes, having that would be very "nice" for the projects, as they would be able to get money from the code, or even better, more code! 10:48 Exio i think the BSD license is way too permissive, but the GPL is too "strict" 10:48 reactor Yes. 10:49 reactor As for now, the best solution would be using the two licenses together, GPL - for a determined set of things, and BSD - for the rest. 10:51 Exio i still find sad the fact of a VM running faster than my netbook :P 10:52 reactor ? 10:52 reactor Exio: by the way. 10:52 reactor How do I change Burning's video settings? 10:52 reactor It seems to have presets or something. 10:52 reactor the current is "beautiful" 10:52 Exio video_driver = burningsvideo 10:52 reactor and it seems too much 10:53 reactor Because it gives maximum 10 fps. 10:53 Exio iirc there is some patch for that around 10:53 Exio even if it only affects the software "driver" 10:53 Exio what probably, nobody uses :P 10:56 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 30002 10:56 ShadowBot arsdragonfly: arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 is up (477ms) 10:57 rubenwardy !down 10:58 reactor !sideways 11:03 rubenwardy lol k0k0k0.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/100-things-every-game-student-should-know.pdf 11:05 Calinou 1) add hats 11:05 Calinou 2) add rubenwardy as a NPC 11:05 Calinou 3) add PilzAdam as a pony NPC 11:06 proller add Calinou as disaster NPC 11:07 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:07 reactor eHll oveeroyen 11:07 reactor ! 11:07 Calinou hi 11:07 rubenwardy PilzAdam would be a rainbow brony 11:07 Calinou no, that's you 11:08 PilzAdam Lua is magic <3 11:09 PilzAdam rubenwardy, page 7 11:09 PilzAdam I say mobs 11:09 PilzAdam and Im a dev 11:09 PilzAdam -> Im Notch 11:09 reactor Whoever desiced to write games in Java is brain damaged. 11:09 rubenwardy yeah 11:10 reactor s/sic/cid/ 11:10 ShadowBot What reactor meant to say was: Whoever decided to write games in Java is brain damaged. 11:10 reactor Or... must have been abused in their childhood. 11:10 PilzAdam where is MintestBot? 11:10 PilzAdam sfan5? 11:11 reactor PilzAdam: someone made it issue a command. 11:11 reactor I think. 11:11 reactor !rev error 11:11 rubenwardy page 59 11:13 reactor You mean, rage 69? 11:16 reactor Hmm. Curl support. 11:16 reactor Is it like, for fetching additional textures? 11:18 rubenwardy > Getting server listings 11:18 Calinou yes, curl is used to download media 11:18 Calinou and getting server list too 11:18 rubenwardy > Faster loading times downloadeng media to client 11:18 rubenwardy (instead of using TCP/UDP) 11:18 Calinou Whoever desiced to write games in Java is brain damaged. 11:19 Calinou java is a decent language which is cleaner than C++, and easier to use. 11:19 Calinou on top of that it works on any OS 11:19 rubenwardy Unless you are writing for internet 11:19 Calinou it is 10 to 20% slower than C++, not a big deal 11:23 reactor 20% 11:23 reactor or one fifth 11:23 reactor that's much 11:23 reactor and the more powerful machine is, the more electricity you're wasting on it 11:25 reactor imagine you have five CPU's, and one is just heating up the room 11:27 Calinou who cares? you're going to waste like 15 watts for same performance 11:27 Calinou thinking you'll have 100% load 24/7 is just stupid, to 11:27 Calinou too* 11:28 reactor Beside, that's how software bloat happens. 11:37 reactor Hmm. 11:37 reactor "Audio: Vorbis extension NOT present", despite havig both libvorbis and liboss 11:40 Calinou software bloat is irrelevant since PCs get more powerful every year. 11:40 reactor Oh yeah yeah. 11:40 Calinou not to mention you're always allowed to optimize your software 11:40 reactor Cool story. 11:40 reactor More processing power is wasted. 11:40 Calinou and? 11:40 Calinou tip: BSD is slower than linux 11:40 reactor And all the advace in CPU power is negated. 11:40 Calinou computer time is cheap; your time is not 11:41 Calinou reactor: 5 years ago, it was not possible to compile minetest in 1 minute with a 150 euro CPU 11:41 Calinou today it is 11:41 reactor The kernel is slower? So what, most Linuxdistros are bloated as hell with unnecessary packages. 11:41 reactor s/xd/x d/ 11:42 ShadowBot What reactor meant to say was: The kernel is slower? So what, most Linux distros are bloated as hell with unnecessary packages. 11:42 Calinou tip: amount of packages does not mean speed, nor RAM usage does 11:42 reactor Besides, where are the test results showing that? 11:42 Calinou and you're always allowed to remove packages 11:42 Calinou reactor: phoronix 11:42 Calinou http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM4NzQ 11:42 reactor Well, if these packages _run_, they do consume time. 11:42 Calinou linux won in all tests :P 11:43 reactor For example, all these fancy desktop candybutton interfaces. 11:43 reactor Oh, especially transparency and animations. Don't make me puke, no one needs that crap. 11:43 Calinou noone forces you to use unity or gnome 3 11:43 reactor True, but hey. 11:44 Calinou "no one"? a mild amount of effects are always nice, and most WMs let you turn them off 11:44 Calinou xfwm just has shadows and terminal transparency, that's all 11:44 reactor Why waste time on stripping a Linux distro down to base if I can just install a barebone system that BSD offers? 11:44 reactor It's a matter of preference, anyway. 11:44 Calinou it often takes less time to take a distro like xubuntu and remove packages than "build" your own system 11:44 Calinou if not always 11:44 Calinou not to mention it is easier 11:44 reactor Also, if we speak of kernels. Linux tends to crash more often. Good luck running it overnight. 11:45 reactor Xubuntu does use network-manager. Eh. 11:46 Calinou and? network manager is the most complete and easiest to use network ademon 11:46 Calinou daemon* 11:46 reactor It's crap. 11:46 Calinou also, linux never crashes for me 11:46 Calinou the NM applet uses 0.2% of my RAM (8GB) 11:46 reactor It's unreliable and complicated. 11:46 Calinou please don't call it "bloat" 11:46 reactor ^ 11:46 reactor exactly 11:46 Calinou it has never failed on me 11:47 Calinou both wifi and ethernet 11:47 reactor Why not use 0 bytes of RAM and 0 CPU cycles, having configured the network manually? 11:47 Calinou it's not 2009 anymore :P 11:47 Calinou reactor: noone wants to do that 11:47 Calinou it's 2013 11:47 Calinou CPU cycles? it uses 0% of my CPU right now 11:47 reactor That doesn't mean we should make computers usable by monkeys. 11:47 reactor Or if we should, we should leave humans the possibilty to use them. 11:47 reactor s/possibility/opportunity/ 11:48 Calinou I'm not a monkey, but I don't want to have to configure my network manually 11:48 reactor Which we're going to lose soon, if this goes on. 11:48 Calinou you lost it already: windows has a majority market share since it is the default OS 11:48 reactor The most successful does not imply the best. 11:48 reactor Marketing, mate. 11:48 ShadowBot reactor: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages. 11:49 reactor And don't forget, 95% of people are retarded. Re-tar-ded. 11:49 reactor And Windows is targeted to the retarded. 11:49 reactor ShadowBot: oh yeah. 11:50 reactor .-7s/possibilty/opportunity/ 11:50 Calinou I know, but still 11:50 Calinou there are no actual benefits to configuring your network manually 11:50 Calinou a computer is meant to be used 11:51 reactor Oh, come on, man! If you run the machine 90% of the time, and unattended most of the uptime, milliwatts matter. 11:52 reactor It would draw, say, 500 mW more. Three hundred days a year. 11:52 reactor That would probably cost you a dinner. 11:52 Calinou they do not 11:52 reactor An extra dinner... why not? 11:52 Calinou 1 watt used for a year (8760 hours) will cost you about 1.2€ in france 11:52 Calinou 1.2€ is 1/3 of a SATA cable 11:52 Calinou sure 11:52 reactor Which is... hmm. 11:52 Calinou it's nothing 11:53 Calinou also, again, do not keep your PC on 24/7 unless you need it 11:53 reactor Pff. I pay for me Internet. 11:54 sfan5 hi 11:54 Calinou hi sfan5 11:55 reactor 1.2 Euros. 11:55 reactor That's... about 60 rubles. I could buy some tea and cookies. 11:55 reactor Rather than just waste it. 11:56 Calinou you surely need these teas and cookies to survive 11:56 reactor No, but eh. 11:56 Calinou not to mention, if you run your PC 8 hours a day, you will only save 40 cents 11:56 reactor Why not, it's better than heating up the room. 11:57 Calinou reactor: heating up the room saves heating costs 11:57 Calinou :p 11:57 reactor In winter, yes. 11:57 reactor That's... good, actually. 11:57 reactor But not on summer. 11:58 reactor *facepalm* Thermodynamics, man! 11:59 reactor Well, if it had a hose going outside of the room attached to irs exhausts, why not. 11:59 reactor So the room would suck in fresh air. 11:59 reactor But you would need an extra fan. 11:59 reactor s/irs/its 12:00 Calinou most cases have at least two fans, reactor 12:00 Calinou and higher end ones have 3 fans 12:00 Calinou if not 4 :P 12:00 Calinou and I'm not counting CPU/GPU/PSU fans 12:01 reactor ...and? 12:01 reactor You need to expell heat outside. 12:01 reactor If you don't, how ever hard you run the air around the room, nothing actually happens. 12:02 reactor So, that heat swapper should be connected to a radiator outside. 12:03 reactor No, john_minetest, it doesn't work this way. 12:03 reactor Too little difference in pressure. 12:04 reactor If you want a fridge-like system, you should make a closed system and fill it with a suitable gas, say, some CnF(2*n+2), don't remember the name 12:04 reactor and you're gonna need a fridge-type compressor 12:05 reactor and that's not heat swapper 12:05 reactor heat swapper would be, say, you have a water cooling system 12:06 reactor in which water goes from the CPU and to the thing 12:06 reactor and back 12:06 reactor that "thing" is the heat swapper 12:06 reactor oh yeah yeah 12:06 reactor Oil. That would suck. 12:06 reactor I would be... an oil-cooled reactor. 12:07 reactor For the record. I am not a reactor. 12:07 reactor Ha. 12:08 reactor No, I would like that to be tested on test subjects first. 12:10 reactor Excess Flood. 12:10 reactor You see, he is probably trying your idea, john_minetest. 12:12 reactor Ooh yeah yeah. The problem is, we could probably end up being test subjects in our own experiment. 12:12 reactor No way. 12:12 rubenwardy PotatOS 12:13 reactor Potato battery. 12:13 reactor There are a kind of cameras, called potato camera. 12:13 reactor I wonder about the etymology. 12:15 reactor They don't exist anymore. Eh. 12:16 reactor Or, if you can revert the nuclear explosion, or time in whole, okay. 12:16 reactor Yeah. 12:16 reactor That. 12:18 reactor That would be cool. 12:18 reactor ..except for when they bite you 12:19 reactor ... and they will, eventually. 12:19 reactor Good luck not becoming her test subject, too. 12:20 reactor Oh, bullies for you! 12:22 PilzAdam Black Mese? 12:22 PilzAdam -> TODO list 12:24 reactor hmm 12:24 reactor -DENABLE_SOUND=0 has no effect 12:24 reactor the game still wants to access /dev/sound 12:25 reactor -_- 12:45 reactor Hmm. 12:45 reactor Mod dir: games/minetest/mods? 12:58 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 30002 12:58 ShadowBot arsdragonfly: arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 is up (449ms) 12:58 harrison Tearing eyeholes in a placenta doesn't make it into a marsupial mask. 13:05 reactor Tearing bunghole doesn't yield you a goatse. 13:10 sfan5 WTF?! 13:11 reactor Hmm. 13:11 sfan5 my vps was down, and the env_meta.txt file contains "25d:Win.Trojan.Swizzor-1191\n135168:bfbb23dc899acd53" 13:11 reactor Anyone using WOrldEdit? 13:11 reactor s/WO/Wo/ 13:11 * sfan5 13:11 AntonBoch1244 no 13:12 reactor sfan5: I've put the latest one in games/minetest/mods, no luck 13:12 sfan5 reactor: try mods/ 13:12 reactor mkay 13:13 reactor oh yeah 13:13 AntonBoch1244 mods folders is ./mods , ./world/mods , ./games/mods? 13:13 reactor thank you 13:13 AntonBoch1244 need additional information 13:13 PilzAdam AntonBoch1244, * world//worldmods/ 13:13 sfan5 AntonBoch1244: mods/ and /worldmods are intended for mods 13:13 reactor games/minetest/mods didn't work, mods/ did 13:14 sfan5 PilzAdam: *worlds 13:14 sfan5 reactor: mods are not supposed to be in games/.../mods 13:14 AntonBoch1244 ok! Thx 13:14 reactor yeah, I see 13:14 reactor now 13:14 reactor That's confusing. 13:19 reactor uhh 13:19 reactor hmm 13:20 AntonBoch1244 My Hard Drive is not working :( 13:23 sfan5 wtf?! 13:23 sfan5 70% of the player files are filles with something that looks like a virus database 13:24 sapier where do I find documentation about json moddb api? 13:25 PilzAdam is there already and API for the moddb? 13:25 PilzAdam -d 13:25 sapier I thought so 13:26 rubenwardy I dont think so 13:26 PilzAdam is there already a moddb? 13:26 rubenwardy It is still on their issue list 13:26 rubenwardy sapier: pm 13:55 reactor So eh. 13:55 reactor Is there a way to disable texture smoothing in burningsvideo? 14:12 rubenwardy Why are you even using it? 14:13 rubenwardy also, you should probably ask in #irrlicht 14:15 reactor Mkay. 14:15 reactor rubenwardy: the default software renderer fails hard here 14:15 rubenwardy you should use OpenGL or DirectC 14:15 rubenwardy *X 14:15 rubenwardy Why are you even a software renderer 14:15 rubenwardy ? 14:15 reactor BSD. 14:15 reactor No VGA driver. 14:16 rubenwardy Download it 14:16 rubenwardy install it 14:16 reactor It doesn't exist. 14:16 rubenwardy get a _BETTER_ linux os 14:18 reactor It's a matter of preference. 14:19 rubenwardy ok then 14:19 rubenwardy do not play 3d games 14:20 reactor Man, your face is big and green to me. 14:22 rubenwardy Ahhh! Ogre3d! 14:24 Calinou_ mmmph 14:40 rubenwardy portals in irrlicht: irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16037 14:40 rubenwardy similar to portal the game 14:40 reactor cool 14:40 reactor By the way, I'm getting 20 fps here, rubenwardy. 14:40 rubenwardy nice 14:40 rubenwardy screenshot? 14:40 reactor So eh, I don't think cpu render is a problem on modern machines. 14:40 reactor Let me find it... 14:41 reactor http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fjot9v&s=5 14:41 reactor That's an early attempt. 14:41 reactor Now it's a lot better. 14:41 reactor I'll shoot more when I'm done. 14:41 reactor Better in quality, not speed, though. 14:42 rubenwardy another portal: tk.files.storage.msn.com/x1pnp_rgmi5o52OyFpCCVa62-VpuxY_S_xTE6B7gUSIR9xWG1UqQMXRW-K4_Ifkc60iTnBCbA8-a2mmY7_p3R1dxuP5K_6YZDKQHtLBtuywIYrF2StemCkb4h4riajbKlIXFGRX7SaJ9vk 14:42 reactor People are dreaming of teleportation. 14:42 reactor There must be a way eh. 14:42 reactor But how. 14:57 arsdragonfly it seems that curl never worked for me 14:57 reactor But we first need boost from biotechnology, so that people's brains grow bigger and they understand quantum mechanics. 14:58 reactor arsdragonfly: did you define its source dir? 14:58 arsdragonfly reactor :how? 14:58 reactor cmake . -LH will show you the list of vars 14:58 reactor change them with -D 14:59 reactor cmake . -DVARIABLE=BLABLABLA 15:02 rubenwardy hmmm 15:04 rubenwardy no 15:04 rubenwardy well, 15:04 rubenwardy I am currently fiddling with lighting and shaders 15:05 Calinou_ So eh, I don't think cpu render is a problem on modern machines. 15:05 Calinou_ LOL WAT 15:05 Calinou_ CPUs aren't made at all for graphics 15:05 Calinou_ GPUs have a lot of cores for a reason 15:06 reactor Man. 15:06 reactor If there _was_ a _supported graphics card, I would go for it, Calinou_. 15:07 reactor s/supported/supported_/ 15:07 arsdragonfly reactor :There's no option to define cURL's source directory: -( 15:08 reactor arsdragonfly: -DENABLE_CURL=1 -DCURL_INCLUDE_DIR=${PREFIX}/include/curl 15:08 reactor You're welcome. 15:09 rubenwardy lol 15:10 reactor don't forget to edit these 15:10 arsdragonfly reactor : i thought it was for the compiled library 15:10 kahrl ugh, why does gcc complain about an unused fwrite return value when I call ferror immediately afterwards 15:10 kahrl stupid 15:10 reactor arsdragonfly: oh... 15:11 reactor hmm 15:11 reactor where do I put mods for dedicated server? 15:12 reactor same as for the game, in gamedir/mods? 15:13 KikaRz hello 15:13 KikaRz well... let's suppose that someone commited ... 15:13 KikaRz How I update my game? 15:13 KikaRz git pull and? 15:16 FreeFull git pull; make clean; make 15:16 FreeFull Should work 15:16 FreeFull If the cmake stuff got updated too though you'll have to that stuff too 15:18 KikaRz and If I have 2 cores? 15:18 KikaRz dual-core ? 15:18 KikaRz its -j what? 15:21 KikaRz Frefull? 15:21 KikaRz *FreeFull? 15:22 arsdragonfly KikaRz : -jn to have n jobs 15:22 KikaRz jobs? 15:22 arsdragonfly -j for infinite jobs 15:22 KikaRz ??? 15:22 KikaRz jobs? 15:22 PilzAdam threads 15:22 arsdragonfly Or you can type make --help 15:22 KikaRz j4 for? 15:22 KikaRz 4 things a way? 15:23 KikaRz ah 15:23 arsdragonfly Prabably 15:23 KikaRz it does 4 things at same time? 15:23 PilzAdam make it -j<#cores*2-1> 15:23 KikaRz Oh... cool 15:23 KikaRz 2*2 4 - 1 = 3 15:23 KikaRz ok 15:23 arsdragonfly *o 15:23 KikaRz i've set up 4 threads '-' 15:24 * PilzAdam compiles with -j16 15:24 KikaRz how many cores ? '-' 15:24 KikaRz wait 15:24 PilzAdam 8 virtual, 4 physical 15:24 KikaRz oh... 15:24 KikaRz cool 15:24 KikaRz I must try to compile at 8 threads 15:24 KikaRz '-' 15:25 PilzAdam I just have to watch out that my RAM doesnt overflow 15:25 KikaRz How we see the ram? 15:25 KikaRz Monitor System? 15:25 sapier 8 cores but not enough ram ;-P 15:25 Calinou_ reactor: use an OS that supports graphic cards then 15:26 KikaRz I have 1,7 GB Ram 15:26 KikaRz '-' 15:26 KikaRz ok, taking at maximum 644 MB / 1,2 GiB? 15:26 KikaRz lol 15:26 KikaRz I have 1,75 GB Ram 15:26 KikaRz not 1,2 15:26 KikaRz '-' 15:27 KikaRz what's ccplus? 15:27 KikaRz *cc1plus ? 15:27 PilzAdam sapier, yes, only 4 GiB :-( 15:27 arsdragonfly !g cc1plus 15:27 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=345201 15:29 KikaRz cc1plus = make? 15:29 Jordach trololololol 15:29 * arsdragonfly is compiling minetestserver 0.4.7 on his phone and doesn't dare to open the web browser 15:29 Jordach my school thinks zipballs arent cool 15:29 KikaRz arsdragonfly, rly? 15:29 Jordach i just made a zipball format that has the extension .za 15:29 KikaRz lol 15:29 KikaRz ka.za! 15:29 KikaRz xd 15:29 sfan5 kae.za 15:29 Jordach they can go fuck themselves 15:29 reactor ? 15:29 arsdragonfly I have only 279mb of RAM on my phone 15:29 reactor Calinou_: ?! 15:29 KikaRz yea sfan5 15:30 KikaRz kae.za! 15:30 reactor Calinou_: what? 15:30 reactor Calinou_: I haven't said a word. 15:30 Calinou_ c If there _was_ a _supported graphics card, I would go for it, Calinou_. 15:30 reactor Calinou_: again, it's only sporting to get it working here. 15:30 reactor I like challenges. 15:30 KikaRz Calinou_, add one-line update Minetest 15:30 KikaRz XD 15:30 Calinou_ cd to minetest directory 15:30 Calinou_ "git pull" 15:30 Calinou_ done 15:30 KikaRz nope 15:30 Calinou_ oh you have to recompile too 15:30 KikaRz yes 15:30 KikaRz so... it's: 15:30 Calinou_ but for minetest_game you don't 15:31 arsdragonfly Holy shit 15:31 KikaRz cd minetest ; git pull ; make clear ; make -j 15:31 arsdragonfly It killed the terminal emulator for me :-X 15:31 KikaRz are needed spaces? 15:31 PilzAdam you usually dont need to "make clean" 15:31 KikaRz well, you said I do. 15:31 PilzAdam usually == I have never used it 15:32 Calinou_ same 15:32 sapier PilzAdam 4GB? yes very small at least if you try to use vms too 15:32 KikaRz offtopic - who does Gangnam style's karaoke 100% correct? 15:32 KikaRz offtopic - I don't. 15:38 KikaRz ... 15:38 KikaRz XFCE crashed -_- 15:38 KikaRz ok 15:41 Jordach hey KikaRz 15:42 KikaRz Hi. 15:42 KikaRz My stupid XFCE is just lagging 15:42 KikaRz bar stills gone... that makes me confused. 15:45 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/A93CUbn.png 15:45 VanessaE hi all 15:45 KikaRz Hi sweetie :) 15:45 Jordach hey VanessaE 15:45 reactor VanessaE: hey 15:45 KikaRz Stupid The Scale of the Universe 2 15:46 reactor VanessaE: it works with Burning's video. 15:46 VanessaE cool 15:46 reactor I'm still experiencing problems with audio. 15:46 reactor Evne with libogg and libvorbis. 15:46 reactor s/ne/en/ 15:46 VanessaE no idea there 15:46 reactor mkay 15:47 MarkTwain hello 15:47 VanessaE I'm no good at figuring out system problems anymore 15:47 KikaRz Who can contact this guys, and add there MINETEST? http://htwins.net/ 15:47 Jordach VanessaE, that comes from old age ;) 15:48 VanessaE you seen my pictures. I ain't old. :P 15:48 VanessaE (though some days I sure FEEL old :-/ ) 15:49 MarkTwain I need someones advice 15:49 MarkTwain I plan to add mesecons to my server but remove all craftin because it lags 15:50 MarkTwain Would this be a waste? 15:50 MarkTwain If people Cannot access it 15:51 Calinou_ MarkTwain: "be a waste"? explain 15:51 VanessaE mesecons is fine, it's the client that's the issu 15:51 VanessaE issue* 15:51 VanessaE horrible performance regressions lately in client rendering 15:51 MarkTwain If people cannot craft items from it then it would be a waste of media to load 15:52 KikaRz MarkTwain, just if the server is creative 15:52 MarkTwain Its a survival server 15:52 MarkTwain I wouldnt ask if it was creative 15:53 reactor 4destructive 15:53 reactor s/4// 15:53 MarkTwain I like to think of it as an admin feature like the command blocks and logic 15:53 MarkTwain But the thing is: 15:53 MarkTwain mesecons is not for admins 15:53 MarkTwain It needs to be remade to be for admins 15:53 MarkTwain I am thinking of a GUI for the luacontroller that has: add statement, add event and all that 15:54 MarkTwain And basically similar to mesecons but faster 15:55 MarkTwain I think digiline would be a better alternative but the luacontroller is the part that manages digiline and if i add the luacontroller i am likely to add things that can affect the environment as a result of a digiline signal like lights 15:55 Calinou_ horrible performance regressions lately in client rendering 15:55 Calinou_ which ones? 15:55 reactor MarkTwain: how's Tam Sawyer? 15:55 Calinou_ haven't noticed any 15:56 VanessaE Calinou_: I used to get 25-30 fps at view distance of 170 and 512px. Now I'm lucky to get 25 with a view range of 70 and 256px textures. 15:57 VanessaE even with default textures I get low rendering speeds. 15:57 Calinou_ default textures with aniso + filtering + 4× antialiasing = 130 FPS 15:57 Calinou_ view range 128 15:57 VanessaE Something arounf the spawn on my server is killing my framerates 15:58 VanessaE around* 15:58 Calinou_ too much leaves probably 15:58 VanessaE nope. 15:58 VanessaE hardly any trees at all at the spawn 15:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, I guess the trees are the cause 15:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: ^^^^ 15:58 PilzAdam turn fancy leaves off 15:58 VanessaE read: there are no trees at the spawn. 15:58 VanessaE and if I get into a dense grove of trees *away* from the spawn, my framerates are fine. 16:01 VanessaE the problem is the engine is not culling out all the excess faces/verticies 16:01 reactor it does 16:01 reactor as can be seen from my screenshot :D 16:01 Jordach Minecraft on the xBox360 even lags 16:02 Calinou_ Jordach: uh uh 16:02 Calinou_ console games lagging 16:02 Calinou_ impossibru 16:02 Jordach Calinou_, yes 16:02 Jordach snowy biomes with LOADS of trees 16:02 VanessaE even if I look at the ground with exactly TWO types of blocks visible, it's drawing 273,000 vertices. 16:02 Jordach and with splitscreen 16:02 VanessaE it should be more like several dozen 16:02 Jordach it halves the FPS 16:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, press F4 and change your position 16:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, I guess any not solid nodes are the reason 16:03 Jordach Calinou_, also:the leaves that are behind the transparent leaves are rendered solid 16:03 Calinou_ O_o 16:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: then explain this: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2006102013%20-%2012:03:47%20PM.png 16:04 VanessaE that's after looking away from the spawn and letting it sit several seconds 16:05 VanessaE it's drawing shit that isn't even on the fucking screen 16:05 Calinou_ the world isn't loading for me 16:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, press F4, fly away a bit and look what blocks are rendered 16:05 i maybe it's because of mob objects 16:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: that IS with F4/no camera updates as you already said 16:06 VanessaE and I looked already 16:06 VanessaE Calinou_: you're in now. 16:07 Calinou_ the spawn does have trees 16:07 VanessaE Calinou_: yeah, out past the spawn, outside of my default 70-node view range 16:07 Calinou_ if I look at the spawn I get 27 FPS 16:07 Calinou_ view distance 128 16:07 KikaRz lol 16:07 MarkTwain I get 25 View Distance 35 16:08 Calinou_ oh, with freetype fonts the profiler is broken 16:08 Calinou_ MarkTwain: by default it is automatically chosen 16:08 Calinou_ and you have a shitty PC :P 16:08 Calinou_ because 35 is the minimum 16:08 i I get 3 FPS with 125 range 16:08 VanessaE Calinou_: the auto-ranger is broken. 16:08 KikaRz I I follow I follow you... I follow you, deep sea baby... I follow you 16:08 MarkTwain MIN=15 MAX=10 16:08 KikaRz :P 16:08 VanessaE it doesn't adapt anywhere nearly fast enough for normal gameplay 16:08 MarkTwain Or something 16:08 MarkTwain viewing_range_nodes_max = 15 viewing_range_nodes_min = 20 16:08 Calinou_ dat name; i 16:09 VanessaE it adapts at like 0.1 nodes/sec or slightly faster, when it should be adapting at a rate of at least 10-20 nodes/sec. 16:09 Calinou_ you must be highlighted often :P 16:09 Calinou_ MinetestBot: if min is higher than max, the min value is used 16:09 Calinou_ KikaRz: twss 16:09 KikaRz twss = ? 16:10 Calinou_ that's what she said 16:10 i I get 3FPS with 35 range, too 16:10 KikaRz Lykke Li - I follow rivers 16:10 i I guess the pipes cause the lag 16:11 Calinou_ the pipes? 16:11 i there are lots of nodeboxes under the spawn 16:11 Calinou_ also, lag isn't slow performance 16:11 Calinou_ +1 16:11 Calinou_ IMO pipes should only use 2 to 4 nodeboxes :| 16:11 i VaE built pipes under the streets last time 16:11 KikaRz Minetest works with GLC? 16:12 i I don't get lag away from streets 16:12 VanessaE PilzAdam: and for the record, I have a shit-hot-fast video card that should able to more than keep up with anyone here. Even with default 16px textures, I'm getting under 30 fps at the spawn. 16:12 PilzAdam VanessaE, dont use so many nodeboxes and transparent nodes 16:12 VanessaE PilzAdam: explain THIS: 16:12 VanessaE PilzAdam: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2006102013%20-%2012:12:02%20PM.png 16:13 VanessaE that's RIGHT after sign in, after just standing there long enough to let the full range (60) load up. 16:13 VanessaE there's NO WAY my HD6870 video card should be turning out such shitty performance. 16:13 Calinou_ KikaRz: GLC? 16:13 KikaRz Yes. 16:13 Calinou_ VanessaE: you have a 6770, no? 16:13 KikaRz http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/glc.html 16:13 Calinou_ but even my 570 gives 25 FPS when looking at the spawn 16:14 VanessaE Calinou_: HD6870 with the very latest fglrx. 16:14 Calinou_ KikaRz: try? 16:14 KikaRz Calinou_, ok 16:14 KikaRz Calinou_, change your name to Calinou 16:14 Calinou ah I can now 16:14 KikaRz Calinou, Easier to TAB 16:14 Calinou I got "nick temporarily unavailable" before 16:14 KikaRz Calinou, the _ gets glitched. 16:15 KikaRz VanessaE, can I record your server? *w* 16:15 VanessaE KikaRz: sure, but get permission from whoever's on. 16:15 KikaRz And: the liquids are enabled? And no possibility to crash ? 16:15 * sfan5 is currently building MinetestServer for android 16:16 Calinou sfan5: is it possible to forward ports to a smartphone/tablet? 16:16 Calinou don't they have a firewall? 16:16 sfan5 Calinou: most don't have one 16:17 Calinou at least I hope the server will be usable, unlike on raspi 16:17 KikaRz VanessaE, I want to make my waterfall as seen in Minecraft. (youtube.com/joaoadriano3 16:18 Calinou tws 16:18 Calinou twss* 16:22 reactor Is it possible to create an empty world? 16:22 sfan5 reactor: yes 16:22 reactor good 16:24 grogaway sfan5: I don't mind if you'd like to remove my instacabin mod from the forums - sorry, I didn't realize there was a licensing issue with what I was doing, and I definitely don't want to upset anyone here. 16:24 sfan5 wut? 16:24 PilzAdam i? 16:24 thefamilygrog66 oops 16:25 thefamilygrog66 did you get that message, sfan5? 16:25 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: not your fault 16:25 sfan5 yes 16:25 sfan5 link? 16:25 thefamilygrog66 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6195 16:25 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, fix your bot 16:27 i http://ubuntuone.com/5teK6XlD2VzdpMRiKUIwv3 16:27 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: umm 16:27 sfan5 just rewrite the mod so it uses the API 16:28 Jordach i, please change your nick 16:28 reactor iUbuntu 16:29 sfan5 !oo 16:29 sfan5 !op 16:29 reactor Pwneth! 16:30 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: I'd rather just have it taken down, if possible. The point of it was to use the deserialize function from worldedit in my mod, but not necessarily require the entire WE mod to be installed on a server. 16:30 PilzAdam ban ???!*q* ? 16:30 PilzAdam s/q/@ 16:30 kahrl or make the highlight flood detector ignore short nicks 16:31 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: "entire WE mod" .. you only need the "worldedit" mod not worldedit_commands 16:32 KikaRz lol 16:33 KikaRz Who is I? 16:33 sfan5 dunno 16:33 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: Yes, but I just wanted to make a mod that did one function, and not rely on another mod in order to do so. In other words, only have the default dependencies. If by copying the deserialize function from WE violates licensing, then I'd rather just have the post removed. 16:34 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: ok, if you want 16:34 thefamilygrog66 If that's what has to be done to prevent problems with licensing, then yes. 16:35 sfan5 removed(not deleted, but removed [from normal people accessible things]) 16:35 thefamilygrog66 Thanks. 16:36 thefamilygrog66 I'll take it off github as well. 16:36 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: I'm not a licensing expert, but you could license your mod under a license that is compatible with AGPLv3 16:36 MarkTwain How can you take things off GitHub? 16:36 ShadowNinja Hmmm, there were somehow ten hilights in there. Or maybe it is broken. 16:36 sfan5 !kick KikaRz <KikaRz> can you kick me out of the channel? 16:36 KikaRz thanks 16:36 sfan5 ShadowNinja: there was an user named "I" in the channel 16:37 KikaRz and he sent this: http://ubuntuone.com/5teK6XlD2VzdpMRiKUIwv3 16:37 thefamilygrog66 MarkTwain: not sure exactly, but I'm going to try now... 16:37 ShadowNinja Ah, it should check only 3+ char nicks. 16:38 thereisalimitofc ok 16:38 KikaRz I was testing limits 16:38 MarkTwain thereisalimitofcharacters 16:38 MarkTwain ? 16:38 KikaRz ok, no ééaáíó 16:38 KikaRz erroneus 16:38 KikaRz * éàéééí :Erroneous Nickname 16:39 MarkTwain eeææ→→ø 16:39 KikaRz *erroneous 16:39 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: I might look into that, but to be honest, I'd rather just not have to deal with that sort of thing - wtfpl makes the most sense to me in this context 16:39 KikaRz cool error! 16:39 KikaRz who can make commits? 16:39 KikaRz like, updating files? 16:39 KikaRz I want to test how to update minetest 16:39 KikaRz '-' 16:39 sfan5 git pull 16:39 KikaRz I know how 16:40 KikaRz but I want to test 16:40 KikaRz '-' 16:40 PilzAdam oh, I can add a big "KikaRz" logo to the menu 16:42 KikaRz lol... 16:42 KikaRz Ok. 16:42 KikaRz I got one idea for Minetest. 16:43 KikaRz Fast Downloads. 16:43 KikaRz What that does? You place files in a ftp, then , you put link in config of the server 16:43 sfan5 !seen proller 16:43 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen proller around. 16:43 KikaRz !seen proler 16:43 KikaRz :C 16:43 sfan5 !seen troller 16:43 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen troller around. 16:43 sfan5 !unignore KikaRz 16:43 MinetestBot sfan5: 'KikaRz' removed from ignore list. 16:43 sfan5 umm 16:43 PilzAdam What that does? You place files in a ftp, then , you put link in config of the server <- we already have that 16:44 KikaRz No we don't '-' 16:44 sfan5 cURL supports ftp://foo.bar.com/ links 16:44 KikaRz So, why the files don't download faster? '-' 16:44 PilzAdam the setting is called remote_media 16:44 sfan5 ftp is slow 16:44 PilzAdam you need cURL support compiled in, though 16:44 KikaRz ... 16:44 KikaRz And how I compile iwth cURL? 16:45 PilzAdam -DENABLE_CURL=1 I guess 16:45 thefamilygrog66 MarkTwain (and anyone else interested): I just deleted the repository on github by clicking on the "settings" tab, and then scrolling down to the bottom of the red, DANGER ZONE section. 16:45 KikaRz ??? 16:45 thefamilygrog66 DAAANGGGERR 16:45 KikaRz not working 16:46 KikaRz not working 16:47 KikaRz it's cmake -DENABLE_CURL 1? 16:47 PilzAdam -DENABLE_CURL=1 I guess 16:47 KikaRz ... 16:47 reactor ! 16:47 PilzAdam use CMAKE . -LH to see a list 16:47 KikaRz curl library its what? -.- 16:47 PilzAdam libcurl- 16:47 KikaRz ... 16:47 KikaRz Yes, I know that, but WHAT? 16:48 PilzAdam tab is your friend 16:48 reactor How to make a dedicated server load mods? 16:48 KikaRz PilzAdam, not working 16:48 reactor They load fine when I run minetest, but minetestserver doesn't load them. 16:48 KikaRz Ok, i got many... 16:48 PilzAdam KikaRz, oh got you are lazy 16:48 sfan5 reactor: the dirty and easieast way: "cp -Rfv mods/* games//mods" 16:48 PilzAdam -t+d 16:48 KikaRz libcurl3 libcurl3-nss libcurl4-openssl-dev libcurl3-dbg libcurl4-gnutls-dev libcurl-ocaml libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-nss-dev libcurl-ocaml-dev 16:48 reactor oh! 16:48 KikaRz What to choose? 16:49 sfan5 KikaRz: libcurl4-openssl-dev 16:49 KikaRz Thank you sfan5, you are my friend <3 16:49 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: reload FloodProtector 16:49 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded. 16:49 KikaRz Pilz, go get some sleep, you are in Adam drugs. 16:49 PilzAdam libcurl4-gnutls-dev 16:49 KikaRz Pilz, I don't trust in you, Adams. 16:49 sfan5 why gnutls when you can have openssl? ;) 16:50 KikaRz sfan5, what you use? 16:50 PilzAdam I have both 16:50 sfan5 sfan5: the openssl thing I think 16:50 PilzAdam also nns 16:50 ShadowNinja It should only count nicks longer than three characters (exclusive) at the next regexp update (join/part/quit). 16:50 KikaRz KikaRz: testing Highlighttomyself 16:50 KikaRz DIdn't worked. 16:50 PilzAdam !kick ShadowBot 16:50 KikaRz Hah, noob. 16:50 PilzAdam MinetestBot! 16:50 MinetestBot PilzAdam! 16:50 KikaRz MinetestBot! 16:50 MinetestBot KikaRz! 16:51 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: ? 16:51 PilzAdam " at the next regexp update " 16:51 sfan5 $ dpkg --get-selections | grep libcurl4 16:51 sfan5 libcurl4-openssl-dev install 16:52 ShadowNinja Well there aren't any realy short nicks here right now. 16:52 PilzAdam $ apt-cache search libcurl4 16:52 Calinou ShadowNinja: there was "i" an hour ago :P 16:52 KikaRz sfan5, should I use -RUN_IN_PLACE 1 ? 16:52 sfan5 KikaRz: use "-DRUN_IN_PLACE=1" 16:52 KikaRz (that makes minetest to go to ".minetest" ? 16:52 ShadowNinja Calinou: Yes, he got kicked and the regexp will no longer include him. 16:53 sfan5 exactly like that 16:53 KikaRz I hate .minetest... 16:53 Calinou ShadowNinja: heh 16:53 Calinou KikaRz: .minetest ftw 16:53 KikaRz ftw = ? 16:53 KikaRz front the way? 16:53 PilzAdam lol 16:53 Calinou for the win 16:53 KikaRz I'm not AMARICANA 16:53 Calinou or just fuck the what 16:54 KikaRz fuck the whooze 16:54 KikaRz lawl 16:55 ShadowNinja Who has the largest rollback log? (950M here) 16:56 Calinou DSK has the largest rollback log 16:56 Calinou 252E 16:56 Calinou :trollface: 16:56 KikaRz testing "make -j5" 16:57 Calinou ubuntu users: "use make -jT" 16:57 Calinou arch users: "use make -jT+1" 16:57 Calinou gentoo users: "set swappiness to 100 then use make -j" 16:57 Calinou :> 16:57 ShadowNinja Calinou: Why so? 16:57 PilzAdam Calinou, lol 16:58 KikaRz if -j5 fails, i'll try -j6, if -j6 fails, i'll try -j7, if j7 fails, i'll try -j8... if -j1999 i'll try -j2000... 16:58 KikaRz Calinou, why? 16:58 KikaRz what that does? 16:58 KikaRz jT? 16:58 Calinou tip: -jT can never fail 16:58 Calinou T for threads 16:58 KikaRz -.- 16:58 Calinou even without an argument it won't 16:58 KikaRz Namb... 16:58 KikaRz We already know 16:58 Calinou but using more jobs than CPU cores will be slow 16:58 KikaRz and? 16:59 KikaRz -j2 is slower... 16:59 KikaRz Ok, guys, How I compile to my friend that uses Shitdows? 16:59 reactor Shitdows :D 16:59 KikaRz or Winshit 16:59 reactor Yeah 16:59 PilzAdam utils/buildbot/ 16:59 reactor or both 16:59 KikaRz or wishitoes 17:00 Calinou compiling on windows is like trying to watch MLP on BSD 17:00 Calinou don't even try 17:00 KikaRz I want to build to my friend 17:00 Calinou tip: there are windows builds available on the minetest forums 17:00 KikaRz and PilzAdam, How I use that? 17:00 Calinou tell them to use virtualbox, run xubuntu in virtualbox :P 17:00 KikaRz Calinou, he likes my modified versions 17:00 Calinou twss 17:00 KikaRz Calinou, no, twHs 17:00 PilzAdam KikaRz, you need some basic understanding of what you are doing, so RTFM 17:01 KikaRz RTFM? some kind of FM radio? 17:01 sfan5 YESS!!! 17:01 PilzAdam yea, kinda 17:01 sfan5 minetestserver for android compiled 17:01 KikaRz Rabos de Travestis Fantasiados por Mães 17:01 reactor Mгes? 17:01 reactor Cyrillic? 17:01 KikaRz Translated: Travesti Butts Fantasied by Mothers 17:02 PilzAdam sfan5, I want to join an ultra laggy server on your phone in the next 10 minutes or didnt happen 17:02 sfan5 one sec 17:02 KikaRz sfan5, can you help me with Windows Build? 17:02 reactor ОШN6KА ЧТЕНNЯ /dev/ra0a 17:02 KikaRz reactor, only English 17:02 KikaRz Or: Translate.google.pt 17:02 KikaRz *.cm 17:02 Calinou /dev/ra0a? 17:02 KikaRz *.com 17:03 KikaRz Calinou, that's my pendrive 17:03 * Calinou slaps reactor around a bit with a large /dev/nvidiactl 17:03 * KikaRz slaps Calinou around a lot with a large /dev/null 17:03 reactor that's a disk 17:03 Calinou KikaRz: want to play on xonotic some freezetag? 17:04 KikaRz No thanks. 17:04 Calinou :p 17:04 KikaRz I've been playing all night 17:04 Calinou play on non-vehicle servers if you don't like vehicles 17:04 sfan5 :/ 17:04 KikaRz I played on non-vehicle servers 17:04 sfan5 now I need to compile all shit again just because make package requires the install prefix to be /tmp 17:04 KikaRz Now guys, who can help me getting back my beautiful title bars? :'( 17:05 Calinou dunno 17:05 Calinou did you try changing the theme, KikaRz ? 17:05 KikaRz Yes. 17:05 Calinou then don't 17:05 Calinou set it back to "Greybird" 17:05 KikaRz which one? 17:05 KikaRz greybird or Greybird? 17:05 KikaRz Nope 17:06 KikaRz None worked. 17:07 KikaRz xfwm4 --replace didn't worked 17:07 * sfan5 is such an idiot 17:08 KikaRz Why? 17:08 Calinou "window manager theme" 17:08 Calinou not "style" 17:08 KikaRz I changed that 17:08 KikaRz Oh 17:08 KikaRz wait 17:08 KikaRz where is that? 17:08 KikaRz Window Manager? 17:08 Calinou yea 17:08 KikaRz Oh! 17:08 KikaRz STUPID GREYBIRD! 17:08 Calinou you're using english? aren't you spanish? :P 17:09 KikaRz Yes, I'm using english 17:09 KikaRz If I use Greybird WMtheme, it don't works 17:09 sfan5 PilzAdam: it will take some time, I have to rebuilt anything because I forgot RUN_IN_PLACE 17:09 PilzAdam see? didnt happen... :-p 17:10 sfan5 "not yet" 17:10 KikaRz Thank you Calinoua 17:10 KikaRz Thank you Calinou! 17:12 sfan5 here is it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/minetestserver-0.4.7-android.tar.gz 17:14 proller market it! 8) 17:14 KikaRz sfan5, that's only the server??? 17:14 KikaRz I wanted that to be the Client for Android *w* 17:14 KikaRz Why you don't create Minetest for mobile? 17:16 reactor Hmm. 17:16 reactor There is something lurking through grey parts of textures. 17:16 reactor Looks like the engine confuses grey with transparency. 17:20 Calinou reactor: s/engine/software renderer 17:20 reactor Maybe. 17:20 reactor I don't know. 17:20 reactor s/software renderer/something 17:21 sfan5 OMFG!!! it works 17:22 ShadowNinja sfan5: IP? 17:22 sfan5 one sec 17:22 Calinou 69.69.69.69:80085 probably 17:22 * Calinou knows ports can't go above 65535 17:24 sfan5 omfg!! 17:24 sfan5 it works 17:24 PilzAdam sfan5: IP? 17:24 PilzAdam one sec 17:25 sfan5 there seems to be some endianess incompatibilites, but it works 17:25 sfan5 but super slow 17:25 sfan5 yes, yes 17:25 Calinou sfan5: what's your device? 17:26 sfan5 Calinou: Samsung Galaxy Ace GT- 17:27 sfan5 !up sfan5.dyndns.org 30010 17:27 MinetestBot sfan5.dyndns.org:30010 is up (231ms) 17:27 sfan5 ^ ip of the server on my android phone 17:27 ShadowNinja How powerful is that? 17:28 sfan5 <sfan5> but super slow 17:28 * PilzAdam connects 17:28 sfan5 takes 5-10 secs for it to realize that I dug blocks 17:28 Jordach sfan5, port irrlicht 17:28 sfan5 Jordach: it is already ported 17:28 Calinou sfan5: yeah, old low end thing :P 17:28 Jordach sfan5, now try that on a SGS4 17:28 sfan5 Jordach: buy me one 17:29 Jordach <- IS NOT your slave 17:29 reactor Hm. 17:29 sfan5 seems like the server hung up 17:29 reactor It seems //import is missing from World Edit. 17:29 sfan5 restarted 17:29 reactor How? 17:29 sfan5 reactor: //load 17:29 * ShadowNinja has a decent tablet. (nexus 7) 17:30 sfan5 ShadowNinja: try it on there 17:30 sfan5 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/minetestserver-0.4.7-android.tar.gz 17:30 PilzAdam sfan5, "Connecting to server..." 17:30 sfan5 PilzAdam: try again 17:31 Calinou Jordach: a nexus 4 is quite powerful (for a smartphone) and is "only" 300 euros :P 17:31 sfan5 actually let me disable anticheat to make it faster 17:31 Calinou but it only has 8GB and non-extensible storage 17:31 Calinou and battery life is meh 17:31 Jordach Calinou, ew, no MicroSD slot 17:31 Calinou yep, non-extensible 17:31 sfan5 lol 17:31 Jordach oh, and SGS4 has a removable battery. 17:32 rubenwardy JAVA! 17:32 sfan5 "-!- Invalid Command: /help" 17:32 KikaRz WHO SAID JAVA? I'll kill that person... 17:32 PilzAdam Java 17:32 Calinou death by java 17:32 KikaRz I hate java... 17:33 PilzAdam do you hate your brain too? 17:33 sfan5 Any suggestions how to make a minetest server faster? 17:33 khonkhortisan robocode uses java 17:33 sfan5 (config settings) 17:33 PilzAdam sfan5, remove all mods but defaulz 17:33 PilzAdam *default 17:33 PilzAdam and, use the default mod of minimal 17:33 sfan5 k 17:34 Jordach my space fighter: http://imgur.com/a/MBDPj 17:34 reactor hmm 17:34 webdesigner97 VE? 17:34 reactor no fly privilege in singleplayer! 17:34 reactor sfan5: I see... thank you 17:34 PilzAdam no fly privilege in singleplayer! <- thats normal 17:34 sfan5 PilzAdam: could you try connecting now? 17:34 VanessaE yes? 17:34 webdesigner97 I need you ;) 17:34 VanessaE uh oh 17:35 webdesigner97 only fpr circular saw 17:35 VanessaE I didn't do it, I sweat 17:35 VanessaE swear* 17:35 VanessaE hehe ok 17:35 webdesigner97 :D 17:35 sfan5 19:35:22: ACTION[ServerThread]: Jordach joins game. List of players: Jordach 17:35 sfan5 ^ yay 17:35 VanessaE webdesigner97: https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks/blob/master/init.lua#L180 17:36 Jordach CHAT WORKS 17:36 PilzAdam sfan5, still nothing... 17:36 webdesigner97 let's take line 178 for example... 17:36 VanessaE modname first, then the base of the node name, then the drop (I think), then group, textures, description, I forget the next one (I always make it the same as the node name), the setting for paramtype2, and the ligth value if any (0 for none) 17:36 sfan5 PilzAdam: jordach could connect 17:36 VanessaE you have to register the stairs/slabs/etc first 17:37 sfan5 VanessaE: could you try to connect to the minetestserver running on my android phone 17:37 VanessaE then register it with the circular saw (line 191 goes with the register call at line 180) 17:37 webdesigner97 uhm, ok? 17:37 VanessaE sfan5: sure 17:37 webdesigner97 sure 17:37 webdesigner97 w8 17:37 sfan5 !up sfan5.dyndns.org 30010 17:37 MinetestBot sfan5.dyndns.org:30010 is up (156ms) 17:37 webdesigner97 no 17:37 sfan5 ^ this 17:37 VanessaE connecting... 17:38 VanessaE there it goes 17:38 VanessaE is this....0.3.1? 17:38 VanessaE oh right, minimal 17:38 VanessaE seems to work except the chat is sorta broken 17:38 VanessaE (names are off by two chars) 17:38 PilzAdam sfan5, remove leafdeacay and all other ABMs 17:38 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dIs9oWJ.png 17:38 VanessaE or rather, names are just..broken :) 17:39 VanessaE but it works 17:39 sfan5 PilzAdam: disable_anticheat made it faster 17:39 webdesigner97 What is the seond param? The base block for the stairs? 17:39 sfan5 VanessaE: probably because of endianess 17:39 webdesigner97 (VE) 17:39 Jordach sfan5, whats the version of Droid are you running this on 17:39 VanessaE yes 17:39 webdesigner97 I'll try it out again 17:39 VanessaE webdesigner97: default:cobble --> cobble 17:39 PilzAdam sfan5, Im on 17:40 webdesigner97 what do you mean by that, VE? 17:40 VanessaE webdesigner97: yourmod:coolblock --> coolblock --> yourmod:slab_coolblock_quarter 17:40 sfan5 Jordach: 2.3.6 17:40 Jordach sfan5, i have a 4.0 tablet 17:40 PilzAdam sfan5, chat is fucked up 17:40 Jordach ill test it later 17:40 sfan5 PilzAdam: ik 17:41 VanessaE webdesigner97: that's how the naming is resolved from the parameters you give it 17:41 sfan5 Jordach: you may have to get busybox on your device to unpack the tar.gz 17:41 webdesigner97 ok 17:41 Jordach sfan5, file expert undoes tar 17:41 PilzAdam sfan5, everyone turn fly and noclip on 17:41 rubenwardy My guinea pig: http://rubenwardy.no-ip.biz/DSCF2587.jpg 17:42 sfan5 Jordach: yeah, I bet that app can't access /data/local/tmp 17:42 Jordach sfan5, root 17:42 VanessaE awww 17:42 reactor Yay! A netsplit! 17:43 Jordach sfan5, the mapgen is fucking quick 17:43 Jordach it generates as fast as i can walk 17:43 sfan5 Jordach: it doesn' even use LuaJIT 17:43 Jordach \o/ 17:44 sfan5 aand the server hung up 17:44 sfan5 server restarted 17:44 PilzAdam sfan5, turn the map to singlenode now 17:44 sfan5 what do I need to put in map_meta.txt again 17:45 PilzAdam mg_name = singlenode 17:45 rubenwardy Also: http://rubenwardy.no-ip.biz/DSCF2527.jpg (VanessaE) 17:46 sfan5 done 17:46 PilzAdam sfan5, a new map? 17:46 PilzAdam Im just falling in air 17:46 * sfan5 too 17:46 Jordach PilzAdam, where is the singlenode generated 17:47 PilzAdam singlenode == all nodes are the same 17:47 PilzAdam the same == air by default 17:47 webdesigner97 VE, do I need to register all kinds of stairs or can I pick some of the? 17:47 webdesigner97 *them 17:47 sfan5 I'll try mapgen index 17:47 sfan5 *indev 17:48 PilzAdam no, its even slower 17:48 sfan5 spawned in the ground... 17:48 PilzAdam (than v6) 17:48 reactor hmm 17:48 sfan5 v7? 17:49 reactor how do I enable certain mods _before_ map creation> 17:49 PilzAdam maybe 17:49 reactor ? 17:49 sfan5 i'll try v7 17:50 sfan5 even more slower... 17:50 sfan5 i'll stick with v6 17:52 sfan5 let me try if server_announce works 17:52 PilzAdam you shoudl generate some terrain with v6 and then switch to singlenode 17:52 PilzAdam thats what I originally meant 17:52 sfan5 oh, ok 17:53 sfan5 oh wait, I didn't compile curl in 17:53 reactor hmm 17:53 reactor it's imported 17:53 reactor but flipped 17:54 Calinou kkk 17:54 Calinou oops 17:54 Calinou wrong window 17:55 sfan5 PilzAdam: I generated some map with v6 and switched to singlenode now 17:55 sfan5 *terrain 17:57 webdesigner97 VE, I can't make it work :( 17:57 webdesigner97 http://pastebin.com/hhf7k86J 17:58 ShadowNinja sfan5: Could you post that link again? 17:58 sfan5 <sfan5> here is it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/minetestserver-0.4.7-android.tar.gz 17:59 sfan5 ShadowNinja: its not an app or so, you need to enable "adb push minetestser /data/local/tmp" and "adb shell" to unpack and use it 17:59 sfan5 *use 18:00 ShadowNinja sfan5: I know that, trying to unpack now... 18:01 sfan5 ShadowNinja: tar from the busybox on my phone didn't have -z so I had to use gzip -d 18:01 reactor The tomtweschem.py has a bug: it flips. 18:01 sfan5 I 18:02 reactor even the screens in the article show that 18:02 reactor -_- 18:02 sfan5 reactor: ..i shouldn't flip 18:02 sfan5 *it 18:02 reactor strange 18:02 reactor but screens shows the flippage, too 18:02 reactor show* 18:02 PilzAdam sfan5, can you grant me fly and noclip? 18:02 PilzAdam Im inside of a node 18:02 sfan5 PilzAdam: you should have it 18:02 sfan5 ... 18:02 sfan5 commands don't work 18:02 reactor http://i.imgur.com/CC7215r.jpg 18:03 reactor http://i.imgur.com/iiOqrCP.jpg 18:03 sfan5 i'll set default_privs 18:03 reactor horizontally 18:03 sfan5 reactor: yeah, I saw it 18:03 reactor I wonder if that's the script or the we 18:03 sfan5 reactor: the script 18:04 sfan5 PilzAdam: 've set the default privs 18:04 sfan5 +I 18:05 PilzAdam you need to restart 18:05 reactor sfan5: mkay 18:05 reactor great work, otherwise 18:06 PilzAdam sfan5, works 18:06 Calinou reactor: MCEdit can make MT WE schematics? O_o 18:06 Calinou is it official? 18:07 reactor I don't know. 18:07 Calinou BSD users definitely don't know anything :trollface: 18:07 PilzAdam sfan5, wow, building a tower works without noticeable lag; thx client side prediction 18:08 sfan5 Calinou: I made an mcedit filter 18:08 reactor Calinou: yes, I know you're fat and green. 18:08 sfan5 PilzAdam: I also disabled anticheat, with anticheat enabled the blocks may disappear and appear again 18:10 PilzAdam sfan5, your nick is " 5 cr" 18:10 PilzAdam in the chat 18:10 sfan5 yeah, thats really buggy 18:11 PilzAdam LOL! the chest texture :D 18:11 ShadowNinja Hmmm, chmod won't work and it doesn't have +x. 18:11 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I used busybox's "ash" for executing minetestserver 18:12 sfan5 also the chmod from busybox works better 18:13 PilzAdam sfan5, I can see you building without lag 18:15 ShadowNinja Busybox chmod also does nothing. 18:15 sfan5 hm 18:17 PilzAdam sfan5, ok, I got the whole map loaded 18:17 sfan5 :D 18:17 PilzAdam sfan5, its a perfect cube! 18:17 webdesigner97 bye! 18:18 PilzAdam sfan5, 50% desert, 25% normal biome and 25% water 18:19 sfan5 I guess that fits 18:19 ShadowNinja Maybe it is mounted with noexec or something. 18:20 sfan5 ShadowNinja: could be 18:20 sfan5 theres no need to try the sdcard, because thats always mounted with noexec 18:20 sfan5 but since /data/local/tmp should be in the system partition it should be executeable 18:20 sfan5 e 18:20 sfan5 *-e 18:21 KikaRz VanessaE, did your server crashed? 18:21 reactor hmm 18:21 Calinou s/crashed/crash 18:21 Calinou double past ;) 18:21 KikaRz I think yes. 18:22 VanessaE I'm lagging bad 18:22 KikaRz well 18:22 KikaRz server crashed 18:22 KikaRz I think 18:22 KikaRz I froze up 18:22 KikaRz and you too 18:22 VanessaE no, it's up 18:22 KikaRz you were walking on air 18:22 KikaRz infinitly 18:22 KikaRz Connecting to server... 18:22 VanessaE checking 18:22 KikaRz didn't worked. 18:22 KikaRz Well 18:22 KikaRz going to wash my hair 18:23 KikaRz and my head. 18:23 VanessaE wait 18:23 reactor load_mod_no_mapgen = true 18:23 KikaRz VanessaE, what were you about to show me? 18:23 reactor but it still has generated some stuff 18:23 VanessaE server restarting. 18:23 KikaRz VanessaE, what were you about to show me? 18:23 reactor ...not some, but it still generates 18:24 KikaRz Gtg. 18:25 ShadowNinja Alright, running on port 30001, just have to forward... 18:25 sfan5 yay 18:27 PilzAdam sfan5, summary: your phone server works a billion times better than expected! 18:27 sfan5 yep 18:27 * sfan5 expected it to insta-segfault 18:29 ShadowNinja Done. 18:29 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: up shadowninja.minetest.net 30001 18:29 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: shadowninja.minetest.net:30001 is up (565ms) 18:30 Jordach http://paste.ubuntu.com/5752525/ 18:30 Jordach it doesnt work 18:30 ShadowNinja It ignores everyone but me. 18:30 ShadowNinja (To prevent conflicts with MinetestBot) 18:30 Jordach then its not useful bot 18:31 ShadowNinja john_minetest: ,,(up vanessae.mine.bz) 18:31 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (345ms) 18:32 ShadowNinja Use !up. If MinetestBot is around it will respond, if not mine will. 18:32 Jordach PilzAdam, this just breaks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5752525/ 18:33 Jordach oh wait 18:33 Jordach missing an end 18:33 ShadowNinja I can't because they will both respond. 18:33 KikaRz !up vanessae.mine.bz 18:33 MinetestBot vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (359ms) 18:34 PilzAdam Jordach, the singlenode mapgen in the engine is a bit faster 18:34 KikaRz there are updates in git? 18:34 Jordach PilzAdam, the world is already singlenode 18:34 Jordach but the node appears black 18:34 ShadowNinja Jordach: That will add mese everytime a block is loaded. 18:34 Jordach ShadowBot, i wanted a core block 18:35 ShadowNinja Jordach: Then check minp and maxp. 18:35 Jordach ShadowNinja, the block appears black without any form of lighting 18:35 Jordach this might actually be useful for a space map 18:37 ShadowNinja sfan5: Chat is broken. 18:38 sfan5 ShadowNinja: you can't see the players names and many other things are also broken 18:38 sfan5 commands don't work 18:38 sfan5 but all in all, it works better than I first expected 18:38 ShadowNinja Well it's a start. :-) 18:39 Jordach sfan5, actually, the lighting works for me 18:39 * ShadowNinja wants a android client. :-) 18:40 Jordach oops, i meant chat and player names 18:44 sfan5 if anyone wants to compile minetestserver for android, you need https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/minetestserver-android.patch and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/zlib-1.2.8-arm.zip 18:44 sfan5 ^ ShadowNinja: you COULD try to fix some of the chat bugs 18:48 thexyz http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/ 18:48 reactor So eh. 18:48 reactor Server mods are per-game, and client ones are client-wide? 18:48 PilzAdam there are no client side mods 18:50 Jordach thexyz, i aborted installation of that the other day 18:50 reactor I mean, multiplayer mods and simgleplayer mods. 18:51 PilzAdam in singleplayer the server is just hosted on the same PC 18:51 PilzAdam there is no differenve in mod handling 18:51 PilzAdam *difference 18:52 reactor why do I put mods in gamedir/games/minetest/mods for them to work on a dedicated server? 18:53 PilzAdam because you forgot to enable them when putting them in mods/ ? 18:54 reactor enable, eh? 18:55 reactor I get mutually exclusive answers from the web. 18:55 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods 18:55 reactor By the way, is there a way to pass textures to clients? 18:56 PilzAdam textures are always downloaded from the server 18:56 PilzAdam clients can use their own texture, though, by putting them in textures/all/ 18:57 reactor oh 18:57 reactor good 18:59 ShadowNinja My tablet is getting really hot... 18:59 Jordach start of my own space map using the regenerative glowing_mese core: http://i.imgur.com/mUjE2D3.png 18:59 ShadowNinja But only 50% usage by minetestserver. 19:02 VanessaE ShadowNinja: how does your duplication bug appear? 19:02 ShadowNinja The one where you drop a item on a single sand pipe. I told you about it a while ago. 19:02 VanessaE oh that 19:02 VanessaE also, I found a bug as well, but of course Nore isn't around to fix it... whenever something goes into a mese pipe, sometimes half of that stack gets sent back to the source 19:10 reactor So, anyone else using no_mapgen? 19:13 KikaRz Guys, how I use buildbot? Whats this Build Directory? output? (Usage: ./buildwin32.sh 19:13 KikaRz ) 19:13 PilzAdam Usage: ./buildwin32.sh 19:14 KikaRz ... WHAT BUILD DIRECTORY? OUTPUT? 19:15 KikaRz or ~/minetest? 19:15 reactor Oh well. Good nighty. 19:16 KikaRz ./buildwin32.sh: linha 76: 7z: comando não reconhecido 19:16 KikaRz (unknown command) 19:16 KikaRz (unrecognized command) 19:17 ShadowNinja KikaRz: Just a empty directory. 19:17 KikaRz ok. 19:18 KikaRz same error 19:18 VanessaE ok I see what's happening with the pipes 19:18 KikaRz ./buildwin32.sh: linha 76: 7z: comando não reconhecido (unrecognized command) 19:18 VanessaE there's no duplication at all 19:18 KikaRz I know 19:18 KikaRz They stack 19:18 KikaRz then divide. 19:18 VanessaE it's that pipes are occasionally splitting the stacks and sending some of them backwards 19:18 KikaRz through all sides '-' 19:18 KikaRz backwards? 19:19 KikaRz lol 19:19 KikaRz I didn't seen any item going backwards... lawl 19:19 VanessaE if it's a mese sorting tube, half the stack gets sent forward, half gets sent back to the input stream 19:19 VanessaE the other tubes pass half of each stack through each output pipe 19:19 KikaRz ok 19:20 VanessaE come back to my server, I've rebuilt the sorting machine to make it more clear what's happening 19:20 KikaRz I was about to start playing CS 1.6 19:20 KikaRz but ok 19:21 KikaRz VanessaE 19:21 KikaRz why I got 2 users in /home? (saying: joao "default, my brother and mine user" ; vanessa "that contains VanessaE Texture Packs and Mods") ? 19:21 VanessaE looks like a sand tube placed at the point where they're all returning to and ejecting from works 19:21 VanessaE works..to suck up the ejected items and keep the flowing back into the tubes. 19:22 KikaRz Yes, but why I have got that 2 folders in /home ? 19:22 VanessaE how would I know? :) 19:23 KikaRz There is one User from you! 19:23 KikaRz '-' 19:23 VanessaE each linux user normaly gets their own folder 19:25 thefamilygrog66 do I get my own folder too? 19:28 VanessaE if you have an account on her box, sure :D 19:28 KikaRz I MADE A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG STACK 19:28 VanessaE bbl 19:28 KikaRz VanessaE 19:29 KikaRz discovered a bug in your system 19:29 KikaRz too high stacks = items get stucked on sky 19:33 KikaRz lag 19:33 KikaRz how I enhance my minetest performance? 19:34 Calinou by getting a better PC? :P 19:34 Calinou try disabling fancy trees, shaders, and clouds 19:34 Calinou enable_clouds = 0 19:34 KikaRz already done 19:34 KikaRz all disabled 19:34 Calinou in minetest.conf to fully disable clouds 19:34 KikaRz all disabled 19:34 Calinou enable_fog = 0 too 19:34 KikaRz Playing Condition Zero 19:35 KikaRz ALREADY 19:35 PilzAdam dont play singleplayer 19:35 KikaRz ... 19:35 KikaRz I didn't 19:35 KikaRz I was playing on VanessaE's server 19:35 KikaRz -.- 19:36 PilzAdam lag != bad performance 19:36 KikaRz ... 19:36 KikaRz Yes... 19:36 KikaRz no 19:36 KikaRz Lag = Bad Performance / PING 19:36 KikaRz Lag = Bad Performance / PING / FPS 19:36 Calinou no 19:37 Calinou ping and FPS are not linked at all 19:38 KikaRz yes 19:38 KikaRz they are 19:59 PilzAdam mito551, https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5751756 20:00 mito551 thank you 20:02 PilzAdam it would be nice if you could find a mix of realism and... idk what to call... maybe "comic" style? 20:02 PilzAdam comic doesnt really fit 20:02 PilzAdam "unrealistic game sound" maybe? 20:07 khonkhortisan When I play all the noteblocks at the same time, it takes 5 seconds to play them all, and a single noteblock can have 3 echos. What can I do to fix the sound? 20:09 mito551 PilzAdam wow, if you can do all of these suggestion how come you didn't change the current minetest sounds? 20:09 PilzAdam well, I cant 20:19 KikaRz Help 20:19 KikaRz One guy is trying to hack me! 20:19 KikaRz By IRC! 20:20 KikaRz PROKILL [XTREME-CM.ORG] on steam! 20:20 KikaRz What's the probability of being hacked in Linux? 20:20 khonkhortisan wow, a noteblock activates _12_ times when it turns on once! 20:20 KikaRz cool! 20:20 KikaRz but with different types of sound? 20:20 khonkhortisan action_on is misbehaving 20:20 khonkhortisan the same sound, echoed 20:21 Calinou [random offtopic thing] anyone wants to play chess with me? http://lichess.org/5249xvdi :P 20:21 KikaRz khonkhortisan, can you help me? 20:22 khonkhortisan I have bt5r3, but I don't know how to use it 20:22 KikaRz someone can help me? -.- 20:22 Calinou who clicked it? 20:22 KikaRz I'm being hacked 20:22 khonkhortisan me 20:22 Calinou ah 20:22 khonkhortisan which one is the queen? 20:23 khonkhortisan ooh a timer 20:23 Calinou the one with a lot of spikes 20:23 khonkhortisan ok 20:23 Calinou yep 20:23 khonkhortisan I get those mixed up 20:23 Calinou there is an ingame chat btw 20:24 khonkhortisan I don't see it 20:24 khonkhortisan oh - narrow window 20:24 Calinou narrow window? 20:24 Calinou ah 20:24 KikaRz I'm looking game 20:24 Calinou KikaRz, ? 20:25 KikaRz I'm watching game 20:25 Calinou oh, if you click the link, you spectate 20:25 Calinou khonkhortisan doesn't seem to play 20:34 Calinou khonkhortisan, gg 20:34 Calinou how long have you been playing chess? 20:34 KikaRz Checkmate 20:34 KikaRz I want to play with you Calinou 20:34 PilzAdam Calinou, lost? 20:34 Calinou lost, yeah 20:34 Calinou KikaRz, ok 20:36 Calinou http://lichess.org/gssz4r65 to spectate 20:36 khonkhortisan I don't play chess much 20:39 khonkhortisan what makes the timer go up? 20:39 Calinou khonkhortisan, 8 secs per move 20:39 Calinou this is the default 20:39 Calinou yey queen 20:40 Calinou checkmate 20:41 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Support cyclic references in luacontroller memory tables, prohibit usage of goto statement (bugs reported by Nore). c87bc60635 2013-06-10T13:40:34-07:00 http://git.io/KQA3qg 20:44 Calinou intel ad at TV \o/ 20:44 PilzAdam Calinou, wich one? 20:44 Calinou about ultrabooks 20:44 Calinou do, do-do-do-do 20:45 Calinou PilzAdam, want to play? :P 20:45 PilzAdam no, I dont play chess 20:45 Uberi hey everyone, if you have a server running Mesecons, please upgrade it ASAP, there is an important security fix out 20:46 PilzAdam Uberi, how to attack servers that are not updated? :-p 20:46 Calinou by creating spam machines :> 20:48 Uberi PilzAdam: see the latest posts in the thread :) 20:48 Uberi goto could lock the server up 20:49 Uberi and cyclic references can cause crashes 20:49 PilzAdam lets poke VanessaE by crashing here server >:-) 20:50 PilzAdam awww, she has no Luacontroller :-( 20:51 ShadowNinja Updated. 20:51 Uberi wait what? really? 20:52 khonkhortisan noteblocks https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/108 20:52 KikaRz guys 20:52 ShadowNinja VanessaE: ^ 20:52 KikaRz what's BuildAndShoot's thing? 20:52 khonkhortisan When anyone types something, I can see this page refresh top to bottom 20:52 KikaRz Jeija, ARE THOSE NOTEBLOCKS??? 20:53 Calinou there are noteblocks in mesecons already 20:53 Calinou and they are very loud :| 20:53 Uberi KikaRz: you mean the new old AoS? 20:53 Calinou even with 40% volume (where other sounds are fine) 20:53 khonkhortisan noteblock aren't as loud as toilets 20:53 Calinou khonkhortisan, slow 2D accel 20:53 Uberi khonkhortisan: will look into it 20:54 KikaRz Uberi, I want to know the IRC Channel and Network 20:54 Calinou blame fglrx|nvidia :> 20:54 KikaRz Rizon don't works. 20:54 KikaRz It's Quakenet? 20:54 PilzAdam whats the itemname of the adminpick? 20:54 KikaRz admin:pickaxe 20:54 KikaRz lawl 20:54 Calinou maptools:adminpick 20:54 Calinou there are aliases 20:54 Calinou adminpick, admin_pick, pickadmin, pick_admin 20:55 ShadowNinja Uberi: New old AoS? It is operational? 20:55 Uberi KikaRz: have you looked at jy server launcher btw? 20:55 KikaRz ? 20:55 Uberi ShadowNinja: yep, new master server and all 20:55 KikaRz jy server launcher? 20:55 Uberi * my server selector 20:56 KikaRz ... 20:56 Uberi for AoS 20:56 KikaRz I want to know HOW TO PUT IT ON LINUX??? 20:56 PilzAdam Calinou, thx 20:56 KikaRz I'll suicide myself 20:56 Calinou KikaRz, AoS does not work on linux AFAIK. 20:56 ShadowNinja Uberi: Where do I get it? 20:56 Calinou maybe with wine 20:56 KikaRz yes it works. 20:56 Uberi KikaRz: bad idea, no sound with AoS on linux 20:56 KikaRz And? 20:56 KikaRz I don't want sound! 20:56 Uberi (with WINE, I mean) 20:56 * Calinou would like to see a port to minetest of AoS 20:56 KikaRz I want gameplay! 20:56 Calinou isn't AoS paid anyway 20:56 KikaRz There is one GITHUB '-' 20:56 KikaRz No Calinou 20:56 KikaRz http://buildandshoot.com/ 20:57 Calinou I mean, a minetest game that implements AoS 20:57 KikaRz That's the good, and old Ace of Spades 20:57 KikaRz THE ORIGINAL! 20:57 Uberi Calinou: that's the new AoS, and the reason there's a new old AoS :P 20:57 Uberi KikaRz: http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/72356-ace-of-spades-server-selector-updated-june-1-2013/ 20:57 Calinou lol autohotkey 20:57 KikaRz That works on linux? 20:57 Uberi yes, with WINE 20:57 KikaRz ... 20:57 Uberi which you'll be using anyways if you're playing BnS 20:57 KikaRz I want for LINUX!!! 20:57 Uberi KikaRz: then look for another game 20:58 Uberi or use WINE 20:58 KikaRz Fuck that another game! 20:58 KikaRz I want Build and Shoot 20:58 ShadowNinja It has IRC support? 20:58 KikaRz and Minetest! 20:58 * Calinou plays trackmania using wine just fine :> 20:58 Uberi winehq.org is your friend 20:58 KikaRz Yes ShadowNinja 20:58 KikaRz Quakenet / #buildandshoot 20:59 KikaRz Now I have GTA San Andreas and Ace of Spades for LINUX *w* 20:59 ShadowNinja I imagine I can change that? 21:00 ShadowNinja (I want to use my own network) 21:01 KikaRz Uberi, I don't know how to use WineHQ 21:01 KikaRz Going to Try Trackmania Nations Forever 21:02 Uberi KikaRz: give it a try, I recommend a good frontend 21:02 khonkhortisan Calinou, you lost because of moving the rook between the bishop and king, when instead you could've captured the bishop, and had a rook-guarded rook threatening the king 21:02 khonkhortisan move 27 c6 21:04 Calinou KikaRz, you need good hardware 21:04 KikaRz Calinou, getting good performance 21:04 Calinou 1) trackmania won't run on a P4 2) wine is very slow 21:04 KikaRz 89 FPS 21:04 KikaRz *w* 21:04 Calinou 2600K + 570, have to run at high settings with 4× AA. 21:04 KikaRz Calinou, I got with WINE, 89 FPS 21:04 Calinou on windows I can run everything maxed out 60+FPS 21:04 KikaRz And I have one Athlon64 Dual Core 21:04 Calinou on linux I get 20 FPS 21:04 Calinou (yes, I disabled wine debugging) 21:04 KikaRz let me try 21:04 KikaRz to windowwed 21:05 Calinou anyway it isn't important, the game still looks good with high settings 21:05 KikaRz From first looking 21:05 KikaRz I like the game 21:05 KikaRz now lets see the gameplay 21:06 * Calinou is ~19000 on ladder 21:06 Calinou about 67k ladder points 21:06 Calinou ladder points|lollipops|little ponies|whatever 21:06 KikaRz dafuq? 21:06 KikaRz My screen is fucked up 21:06 KikaRz lawl 21:06 KikaRz COOL! 21:06 Calinou I play a lot on fullspeed servers 21:06 Calinou there are some very skilled players btw :P 21:07 Calinou KikaRz, btw I can't play right now, but tomorrow I can 21:10 KikaRz I love this game!!! 21:10 KikaRz I love this game!!! 21:10 KikaRz 9,5/10! 21:10 KikaRz Now, Ace of Spades on linux 21:11 KikaRz We can use shortcuts from web? 21:11 Uberi sort of 21:11 Uberi if you use the WINE Gecko browser yeah 21:12 Uberi you are using that right? 21:12 KikaRz O endereço não foi compreendido 21:12 KikaRz 21:12 KikaRz 21:12 KikaRz 21:12 KikaRz 21:12 KikaRz 21:12 Uberi why hello there 21:12 KikaRz Ok, translating: The Firefox can't know how to open this address, because of protocol (aos) that isn't associated to any program 21:13 KikaRz So, what I do? 21:13 khonkhortisan you find a program that can open aos 21:14 KikaRz How? 21:14 KikaRz ... 21:14 khonkhortisan then either send the program directly to that link, or tell firefox what program to open it 21:14 KikaRz Not that. -.- 21:14 KikaRz Wine. 21:14 KikaRz How I tell Firefox, that "aos" corresponds to a program that is installed at Wine? 21:15 Calinou (insert shrugging rainbow dash here) 21:15 Calinou KikaRz, not sure if even possible 21:15 Uberi KikaRz: copy link 21:15 Uberi run within WINE 21:15 KikaRz ... How? -.- 21:15 Calinou but usually, to start a wine program with command line, you "cd" to the directory where the .exe is then use "wine file.exe" 21:15 Uberi firefox? right click, copy link address 21:15 KikaRz wait... 21:15 KikaRz what if I do 21:15 KikaRz wine ? 21:15 KikaRz it must open AoS 21:15 Uberi exactly 21:16 KikaRz wine: cannot find 'aos://3999992249:32887' 21:16 KikaRz -.- 21:16 KikaRz wait 21:16 Uberi no no 21:16 KikaRz so? 21:16 Uberi wine client.exe "aos://3999992249:32887" 21:16 Uberi WINE doesn't seem to support protocol handlers yet 21:17 KikaRz wine: cannot find L"C:\\windows\\system32\\client.exe" 21:17 KikaRz nope 21:17 KikaRz I need to direct to: 21:17 KikaRz C:/Ace of Spades/client.exe 21:17 Uberi yeah cd there first of course 21:18 KikaRz ERROR - Server connection failed 21:18 KikaRz going to try another 21:19 KikaRz Duh. 21:19 KikaRz Why I don't use a Game Launhcer? 21:19 KikaRz http://launcher.buildandshoot.com/download 21:19 Uberi if you do get it working, my server selector detects paths automagically and presents all of them in a nice list 21:19 KikaRz that got the server list? 21:19 Uberi oh that one, I'm pretty sure it requires .net framework 21:19 KikaRz and? 21:19 KikaRz I should install then 21:19 KikaRz -.- 21:19 Uberi hahaha 21:20 KikaRz Well 21:20 KikaRz I think that supports net framework 21:20 KikaRz '-' 21:20 KikaRz Well, link of your server selector? 21:20 Uberi see above 21:21 kahrl you can define custom protocol handlers in most desktop environments, so you can click aos: links 21:21 Uberi use the compiled version unless you want to install AHK as well 21:21 KikaRz ... 21:21 KikaRz link for compiled thing 21:22 Uberi see above 21:22 Uberi it's really not that hard to find 21:22 PilzAdam Calinou, can you move this to old mods: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1710 ? 21:22 PilzAdam it doesnt work right and is outdated (obisidan is in _game already) 21:23 KikaRz With "wine client.exe 'address'" isn't working for any server 21:23 Uberi KikaRz: you should get that working first before trying any launchers 21:23 Uberi are you in the AoS dir? 21:24 Uberi also use double quotes, not ' 21:24 KikaRz yes 21:24 KikaRz And I used double 21:24 Uberi what happens? 21:24 KikaRz joao@pc:~/.wine/drive_c/Ace of Spades$ wine client.exe "aos://1379434439:33887" 21:24 KikaRz fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation (nil) 1 (nil) 0 21:24 KikaRz Then: Server connection failed 21:24 Uberi try a different server 21:25 Uberi an aloha.pk server preferably 21:25 KikaRz ... 21:25 KikaRz not working 21:25 Calinou done 21:25 Calinou PilzAdam, moved 21:25 Uberi which server? 21:25 KikaRz aos://1379434439:37887 21:26 KikaRz aloha.pk humans vs. zombies 21:26 KikaRz . 21:26 Uberi ah one of my favourite servers 21:26 Uberi I'm going to play there now actually 21:26 KikaRz idiot 21:26 KikaRz help me to solve this 21:26 KikaRz -.- 21:27 KikaRz Your server thing dont works 21:27 Uberi you'd best not throw about insults if you want any help 21:27 KikaRz ... 21:27 KikaRz You don't help me 21:27 KikaRz I'll have to force you 21:27 KikaRz '-' 21:28 KikaRz There's any Daemon Tools Lite for linux? 21:28 sapier lol daemon tools? 21:28 sapier what to you need them? 21:30 KikaRz Mount ISO 21:30 KikaRz '-' 21:30 KikaRz GTA San ANdreas 21:31 Uberi use an archiver to extract it 21:31 Uberi peazip or 7zip do it without any complaints 21:31 KikaRz ... 21:31 KikaRz 2 cds? 21:31 KikaRz -.- 21:31 Uberi yep 21:31 KikaRz what I do 21:31 KikaRz if it requests 2nd cd 21:31 Uberi burn them 21:31 KikaRz ... 21:31 KikaRz where? 21:32 Uberi I dunno, a fireplace would be good 21:32 KikaRz ... 21:32 KikaRz I can burn 2nd cd in pendrive 21:32 KikaRz and then, when requests 21:32 kahrl /give KikaRz fire:basic_flame 21:33 KikaRz ... 21:33 KikaRz Shut up kharl 21:33 Calinou /give KikaRz lava_source -1 21:33 Calinou :p 21:33 Calinou night now 21:34 KikaRz ... 21:34 Calinou period period period 21:34 Uberi ellipses! 21:34 khonkhortisan "..." "…" 21:35 Uberi khonkhortisan: confirmed noteblocks issue, btw 21:35 khonkhortisan k, I'm spewing print statements all over the place 21:36 KikaRz I want Ace of Spades 21:36 KikaRz TODAY 21:36 Uberi ew, go invoke the GC in the bathroom 21:36 Uberi KikaRz: yes, yes you do 21:37 KikaRz GC? 21:37 KikaRz Game Cheat? 21:37 khonkhortisan garbage collector, I think 21:40 khonkhortisan Uberi, I bet you can guess what the problem is with noteblocks 21:40 khonkhortisan But I'll tell you anyway: MESECONS_GLOBALSTEP 21:40 Uberi aw geez 21:41 KikaRz Uberi, you that like Windows 21:42 Uberi that sentence makes very little sense, I'm afraid 21:42 KikaRz shutdown -r -c "PARADOX - Say Yes and I'll make you eat cookies!" -t "-1111111" 21:42 khonkhortisan makes sense to me, it's just an unusual structure. 21:42 KikaRz khonkhortisan, put there in CMD 21:42 KikaRz then , write YES 21:42 KikaRz on cmd 21:43 KikaRz and you will get a surprise 21:43 KikaRz *w* 21:43 Uberi no no, that interpretation would use "likes", not "like" 21:43 khonkhortisan "you" then narrowing you by "that like Windows". Starting off with Uberi, it's decribing that person as "you that - maybe it should be likes instead of like. 21:43 khonkhortisan ^ 21:43 KikaRz lol 21:43 Uberi yeah that could work 21:43 KikaRz well, would be better: 21:43 KikaRz you that likes windows 21:43 KikaRz but windows can be material or OS 21:44 KikaRz omg, i'm paradoxing myself!!! 21:44 KikaRz aaaa! Aaa! 21:44 KikaRz Self Destruction 21:44 Uberi not necessarily "likes", so much as "haven't found a good replacement" 21:44 Uberi for instance, AoS doesn't have sound on any of the linuxes 21:44 KikaRz And? 21:44 KikaRz I dislike sound! 21:44 khonkhortisan "Uberi, you that likes windows" (singular) or "you that like windows" (plural) 21:44 KikaRz I like gameplay 21:44 Uberi it would likes in both cases, since it refers to the subject 21:45 KikaRz bye 21:45 KikaRz see ya tomorrow 21:45 Uberi the plural applies to Windows itself 21:45 KikaRz Tomorrow will be a big day 21:45 KikaRz :) 21:45 Uberi it always is 21:56 khonkhortisan createPlayingSoundAt: out of memory and before createPlayingSoundAt: invalid name from a button playing all noteblocks :) 23:28 khonkhortisan I believe turning on globalstep makes the noteblock turn on as many times as how many rules it has 23:44 VanessaE hi all 23:45 Exio hi :P 23:59 PilzAdam bye