Time Nick Message 00:01 Jordach i just potted the fuckin 8ball 00:03 PilzAdam http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif 00:05 Kacey heh 00:06 Jordach lol 00:06 Jordach Kacey, whos this ninja bloke 00:06 Kacey a person i know 00:08 * Jordach grabs the woodchipper 00:10 PilzAdam bye 00:48 Jordach hey OldCoder 00:48 OldCoder Jordach, Hi 00:52 ch98 Nothing including google says about an error i got 00:53 ch98 can someone help me on it? 00:58 ch98 error says "no match for 'opertor!=' in 'i != std::list<_Tp, _Alloc>::rend() [with _TP = RollbackAction, _Alloc = std::]()' 00:59 * Jordach hears ShadowBot's paste detector ticking like a bomb 01:01 ch98 I did not paste it 01:02 Exio [20:51:34] maybe try to change the if(a!=b) into if(!(a==b)) if != is not defined 01:03 Jordach thats pretty genius 01:04 ch98 thank you. I will try that 01:05 ch98 whatever that does 01:06 Exio instead of a not equal b 01:06 Exio not (a equal b) 01:07 ch98 original code causing reeoe is..... for(std::list::const_reverse_iterator i = m_action_latest_buffer.rbegin(); i != m_action_latest_buffer.rend(); i++) 01:07 ch98 I hope drag and drop is not pasting 01:11 Jordach ch98, thats still pasting 01:11 Jordach any large amount of text typed, moved or pasted is still pasted 01:11 ch98 well, bot didn't seem to detect it 01:12 Jordach ch98, give it around 1min between pastes 01:12 Jordach ShadowBot fails there 01:13 ch98 so i should seperate large sentences to few lines 01:14 Jordach break them up 01:14 Jordach to about 20 words tops over 20 seconds 01:14 Jordach if youre going by 60wpm 01:14 Jordach i can average 120wpm 01:15 ch98 thank you. I will be away for few hours 01:17 xiong Should the client be trying to eat 6 GB of memory in multiplayer? 01:22 khonkhortisan The internet is back on, with no excuse as to its absence. 01:24 khonkhortisan The log didn't record my timeout. How long was I gone? 03:10 SmugLeaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvYk9oWYfw 03:10 SmugLeaf someone needs to "port" this 03:15 * ShadowNinja would like another user with +Ff 03:16 ShadowNinja (+f doesn't quite do it for some things) 03:16 Exio doens't the|xyz have +f? 03:16 Exio doesn't* 03:16 Exio for what would an "op" need +F? 03:17 Exio SmugLeaf: that mod looks cool 03:18 ShadowNinja Exio: No, only in -dev. I forget what flag I wanted that needed it. 03:18 ShadowNinja * wanted to set 03:18 Exio the only "difference" fwith +F is that "he" can set up all the flags even if he doesn't have it 03:18 Exio (and the drop command, but that doesn't count) 03:33 ch98 is it possible to have someone debug mods made in this computer over irc? 03:34 ch98 becaus it is impossible to run minetest here 03:50 khonkhortisan that would have to be a client mod at that speed, no? 03:53 ch98 what do you mean? 03:54 ch98 dinner 04:09 OnceOver what is a consession? 04:09 khonkhortisan a stand 04:10 OnceOver why would i need a concession to place a block or node? 04:10 khonkhortisan ? 04:10 OnceOver on sfans server 04:10 khonkhortisan A grant of a tract of land made by a government or other controlling authority in return for stipulated services or a promise that the land will be used for a specific purpose. 04:11 OnceOver hmm 04:11 OnceOver so he hates me? 04:11 khonkhortisan If all the land is pre-owned, I wouldn't build there. 04:11 OnceOver lol 04:11 OnceOver i made a ton of stuff there 04:11 OnceOver as of today i need a concession 04:12 khonkhortisan it's possible the mod was newly added 04:12 OnceOver yes 04:12 OnceOver what mod you think? 04:13 OnceOver you must be smart 04:13 OnceOver i like you 04:13 khonkhortisan http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3881 04:14 OnceOver node_ownership 04:14 OnceOver yep i thought that was new 04:14 OnceOver i /mods and it was all i seen that looked new 04:14 khonkhortisan I'd like to be able to fix a mistake in someone's owned area, then have my change go away until they accept it 04:14 OnceOver do you have a server? 04:15 khonkhortisan no, but I could make one locally and have it forwarded 04:15 OnceOver have you done that before? 04:16 khonkhortisan the in-client server list is a little new, so no. 04:16 OnceOver i tried everything i could to make a server and have friends join but didnt happen 04:17 OnceOver my conclusion i use a phones hot spot so i could not open ports 04:17 khonkhortisan You must have the server running, not have your computer's firewall block that destination port UDP/TCP, and have your router forward anything on that port to your computer (instead of anywhere else on the lan) 04:17 khonkhortisan oh 04:17 OnceOver i even tried a few vpn like remobo and such none worked for me 04:18 OnceOver even a regular vpn on my computer with there ip iinternets name and pass 04:18 OnceOver internets name is that ssid whats that stand for you know? 04:19 OnceOver i think id is identification 04:20 khonkhortisan you shouldn't need a local vpn to host a server 04:21 OnceOver i figured it was because of my ports i couldnt truly host 04:21 OnceOver so i went in another direction 04:22 OnceOver have them on my or me on there private connections seems like a loop hole to me so i tried it 04:22 khonkhortisan you could always try a port scan http://www.whatsmyip.org/port-scanner/ 04:22 OnceOver yea ports closed i checked 04:23 khonkhortisan it'll also say closed if there's nothing running on the port 04:23 OnceOver wouldnt the internet be running on the ports? 04:24 khonkhortisan ? 04:24 OnceOver 666 Timeout (Blocked) Doom 2302 Timeout (Blocked) Halo 3453 Timeout (Blocked) Myth 3724 Timeout (Blocked) World of Warcraft 4000 Timeout (Blocked) Diablo 5154 Timeout (Blocked) BZFlag 6112 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6113 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6114 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6115 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6116 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6117 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6118 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6119 Timeout 04:24 khonkhortisan heh 04:24 OnceOver that is what the test said on that port check 04:25 khonkhortisan I just noticed I have email blocked 04:26 OnceOver my guess is that the ports are nicely bricked up 04:26 OnceOver sometimes its good to block email 04:26 OnceOver its annoying lol til you wanna check it 04:28 OnceOver so you work for comcast or somthing? 04:29 OnceOver did you leave me? 04:35 OnceOver if you are all on minetest irc then why is there only 6 ppl on all the servers combined? 04:37 OnceOver hello ch98 04:37 ShadowNinja OnceOver: We are not all active. 04:37 ShadowNinja There is sometimes dozens on the servers. 04:37 ch98 hello 04:38 ShadowNinja *are 04:38 OnceOver no need to correct grammer 04:38 OnceOver we all text chat these days which rips apart our grammer 04:38 OnceOver so 04:39 OnceOver whats the best server? 04:39 ShadowNinja All the same, I prefer to use correct grammar. 04:39 ShadowNinja OnceOver: Mine. :-) 04:39 OnceOver i am challenged when it comes to grammer 04:39 ShadowNinja Survival or creative? 04:39 OnceOver what is your server? 04:40 ShadowNinja shadowninja.minetest.net 04:40 OnceOver what you mean survival or creative? 04:40 OnceOver are you changing it ? 04:40 ShadowNinja In creative you get infinite stuff, my server is in creative mode. 04:41 ShadowNinja Some people prefer "survival". 04:41 OnceOver then why you say survival or? 04:42 ShadowNinja Because I would recommand a different server if you wanted survival. 04:42 OnceOver lol which is? 04:42 ShadowNinja ? 04:42 OnceOver what would you recommand 04:42 OnceOver i dont think recommand sounds right lol 04:43 OnceOver What survival server would you recommend to otheres? 04:44 ShadowNinja Hmmm, maybe redcrab's server, although is is running an old version of minetest. That is the popular server. 04:45 ShadowNinja (At least last I checked) 04:45 OnceOver i have heard that one a few times 04:45 OnceOver what can you do on your server? you cant build can you? 04:45 ShadowNinja I need to give you build privs, one sec... 04:46 OnceOver i see 04:46 OnceOver do you get on your server? 04:47 ShadowNinja No, IRC mod. 04:47 ShadowNinja You should have it now. 04:47 OnceOver well that doesnt help me make friends 04:47 ShadowNinja ? 04:48 * VanessaE might recommend her own server to build on... :) 04:48 OnceOver i like playing multiplayer for the building with friends aspect of it 04:48 OnceOver i have built on vanesses server time to time she is a nice lady 04:49 VanessaE :) 04:50 OnceOver but i already know that i can get bored on all servers so as long as a ration time on each server 04:50 OnceOver i can go through them all and never get bored yay 04:50 OnceOver i love a few servers to death and did all the work to actually email em and stuff to join hint hint vanessae 04:51 VanessaE :P 04:51 OnceOver i had a heck of a time trying to figure out copper wires or all wires to be exact lol 04:52 VanessaE heh 04:52 OnceOver idk how to use wires 04:52 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Minetest is very bad security-wise. you might want to lower your max player count a bit. 04:53 VanessaE how? 04:53 ShadowNinja VanessaE: minetest.conf.example max_players or something like that. 04:53 VanessaE I'll check into it then 04:54 OnceOver 15 would be good 04:54 OnceOver any more than that is awful in my opinion 04:54 VanessaE well it's not like my server ever sees any more than about 5 people at once anyway 04:54 VanessaE # Maximum number of players connected simultaneously 04:54 VanessaE #max_users = 100 04:54 OnceOver i need a map download 04:55 OnceOver do you got one vanessae? 04:55 VanessaE yes, but it's not up-to-date 04:55 VanessaE I'll update it tonight 04:56 VanessaE er, well soon :) 04:56 OnceOver lol 04:56 OnceOver i can use the one you got i dont mind if it lags changing a few node when i walk close 04:56 VanessaE well there's someone building on the server at the moment. When he signs off, I'll upload the latest map files. 04:57 OnceOver lol 04:57 OnceOver who is building? 04:57 VanessaE MichaelEh is working on his space station 04:57 OnceOver who was the guy who made the castle? 04:58 OnceOver i hung out with him on your server 04:58 khonkhortisan Shall I sign on and gum up the works? 04:58 khonkhortisan :P 04:58 VanessaE castle? 04:58 VanessaE khonkhortisan: you're already gumming up the works with that damn menger sponge :) 04:58 OnceOver the small castle or what ever its called i forget 04:58 khonkhortisan I put ghoststone around it for framerate 04:58 VanessaE small castle....hm.... 04:58 OnceOver what is ghost stone? 04:58 VanessaE there are several castles around the server 04:59 VanessaE ghoststone is an object that disappears when a mesecons signal is applied 04:59 khonkhortisan it's something from the mesecons mod. Apply power to it, and it temporarily turns air-like. 04:59 VanessaE (and reappears when the signal is withdrawn) 04:59 khonkhortisan Then it comes back whe^ 04:59 OnceOver sweet 04:59 OnceOver that sounds cool 04:59 khonkhortisan it also transmits power to itself, so you don't need a yellow wall of wires behind it 05:00 VanessaE khonkhortisan: oh, jeija made them conductive? 05:00 OnceOver is there anything that can transmit power from genorators to what you need the power to go to ? 05:00 OnceOver with out wires i mean 05:00 khonkhortisan I might've done that. 05:01 VanessaE ah 05:01 VanessaE OnceOver: not by default, no 05:01 khonkhortisan there's not much in the way of wireless power 05:01 khonkhortisan There's wireless digilines, but I don't know where to get them 05:01 VanessaE mesecons has a wireless extension you can download but it is considered unstable 05:01 kaeza bleh https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/mt-config.png 05:01 OnceOver boo 05:01 OnceOver kaeza that sounds like a formilial name 05:01 VanessaE also, new linux build: efc75db7[...] 05:02 OnceOver have i met you kaeza? 05:02 VanessaE kaeza: nice 05:02 kaeza OnceOver, depends 05:02 kaeza maybe 05:02 OnceOver sounds good to me 05:02 kaeza I mostly lurk Memebase and the TWHL forums 05:03 khonkhortisan Comcast is my internet company, and my internet went down today without explanation. 05:03 kaeza (apart from MT forums that is) 05:03 OnceOver your internet company or the internet at ur house? 05:04 OnceOver it owould be nice if sfan ever read his emails 05:04 khonkhortisan the latter. 05:05 kaeza eh... wat 05:05 khonkhortisan I read sfan as stefan instead of suh' fan 05:05 khonkhortisan I get my internet through comcast but with no affiliation to them. 05:05 OnceOver on sfan5s server he added node possesion so noone was on it today 05:06 khonkhortisan it's really easy for ownership to get in your way 05:06 OnceOver all my friends cant built anyone know of a better way to talk to him other than youtube chat 05:06 kaeza VanessaE, save & load work. I just need to add support to the other options and to run MT with the specific conf 05:07 VanessaE cool 05:07 kaeza hopefully will make it easier to configure MT until it is implemented in core 05:07 khonkhortisan youtube chat? 05:07 VanessaE maybe you and RealBadAngel can work together on the mod configuration system were were thinking of also 05:08 kaeza that would be cool 05:08 VanessaE we were* 05:08 VanessaE the two seem like they'd go well together 05:08 khonkhortisan I feel like breaking into my modem, but I can't think of a good reason to do so. 05:08 OnceOver as for top admin sfan5 and vanessae are pretty generous with help 05:11 OnceOver someday i will ask for some help on these dang wires vanesse 05:11 OnceOver whenever i get a chance that is 05:11 khonkhortisan I can probably help you with those 05:11 OnceOver i doubt it i feel like i am dumb when i try to get them to work 05:12 khonkhortisan You can make them so complicated you create bugs in them 05:13 OnceOver in that case i blame it on you 05:13 khonkhortisan :) 05:13 OnceOver wish i could add friends on this chat 05:14 OnceOver i would add khonkhortisan he is seemly very smart 05:14 OnceOver i would add kaeza i feel like i played a game with him at one point 05:14 OnceOver i would add vanessae cause she seems very nice 05:14 kaeza hm? 05:14 ShadowNinja OnceOver: Depending on your client you can. 05:15 khonkhortisan I think pidgin might, but xchat doesn't 05:15 kaeza OnceOver, do you play FPSs? 05:15 OnceOver and i wouldnt leave you out shadowninja for the quick ninja like reflexes of server help 05:15 ShadowNinja LOL. 05:16 OnceOver whats is a frame per seconds s? 05:16 khonkhortisan first person shooters 05:16 kaeza lol 05:16 ch98 is it ok to stay on irc without me in front of computer? 05:16 khonkhortisan YES 05:16 VanessaE ch98: many people do this. 05:16 ch98 ok 05:16 OnceOver or what you mean by FPSs 05:16 kaeza [02:16:06] first person shooters 05:16 OnceOver i see 05:16 khonkhortisan FPS can mean "frames per second" or "first person shooter". When there's an "s" on the end, it's the latter. 05:17 kaeza so I guess nope 05:17 khonkhortisan But you never want SPF 05:17 OnceOver you would be surprized how many games i played 05:17 khonkhortisan (seconds per frame) 05:17 OnceOver however i prefer spellbound games 05:17 kaeza khonkhortisan, I used to get that on Puppy 05:18 kaeza (no opengl support for my card :/) 05:18 OnceOver call of duty is an exception 05:18 kaeza lol CoD 05:18 kaeza I mean classics 05:18 kaeza Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein, ... 05:19 kaeza evel HL/CS/DoD 05:19 kaeza even* 05:19 OnceOver i have played call of duty I and II i also like modern warfare 3 i think 05:19 khonkhortisan light-bot, orthorobot, phlipple. 05:19 kaeza khonkhortisan, orthorobot is awesome 05:19 khonkhortisan have you tried phlipple? 05:19 kaeza not yet 05:19 khonkhortisan you should 05:20 kaeza just a handful of LÃ¶ve games 05:20 kaeza (not tetris, not pacman, and orthorobot) 05:20 OnceOver those all sound old school games 05:20 khonkhortisan respect the umlaut 05:21 OnceOver i also played roblox for a long time 05:21 khonkhortisan the first two have had physics added to them 05:21 khonkhortisan I can't get roblox to install no matter what I do - native, wine, xp vm, 7 vm 05:22 kaeza OnceOver, http://stabyourself.net/notpacman/ 05:22 OnceOver i have to use mc donalds internet to download roblox it seems like the download is timed cause it times out 05:23 OnceOver http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/ranger/ 05:24 khonkhortisan unsigned app! oh no! I'll get haxx38 C036U7ER! 05:24 OnceOver roblox is pretty cool if only it was harder to make your own game so that someone would play mine 05:25 khonkhortisan it would be cool if it ran on something other than mac/windows, or ran on a fresh install of windows. 05:25 sfan5 hi 05:25 khonkhortisan hello, someone is looking for you. 05:25 sfan5 hi OnceOver 05:25 OnceOver hey sfan 05:26 OnceOver i cant build on your server 05:26 OnceOver concessiion is needed 05:26 sfan5 did you try to build in spawn? 05:26 OnceOver lol i cant go to spawn 05:26 OnceOver it says have admin make a spawn 05:27 khonkhortisan I wonder if I could make a 3d-4d game in the style of the 2d-3d orthorobot game 05:27 OnceOver if you are refering to where i was when i first got on lol i was n the nether and i lag there 05:27 sfan5 hm 05:27 khonkhortisan there's a nether? 05:28 OnceOver yes there is nether in sfans server 05:28 OnceOver -5000 is his nether 05:36 sfan5 OnceOver: https://github.com/codeandfix/node_ownership 05:41 OnceOver what is that forcefield mod called? 05:41 VanessaE technic has that. 05:41 ShadowNinja OnceOver: Forcefield? There are at least two, I wrote the technic one. 05:41 OnceOver how do they work? 05:42 OnceOver i know they take energy to run 05:42 OnceOver but do they keep out griefers and such? 05:42 VanessaE I'm not sure how to use them 05:42 OnceOver is there a way a player can let ppl they want in it? 05:43 ShadowNinja OnceOver: None of them are fool-proof. 05:43 OnceOver i would like bricks and doors that we can add ppls names to them so that only them ppl can touch or open them 05:43 VanessaE no idea on that either 05:43 ShadowNinja If you want you can fly and noclip. 05:44 OnceOver thanks shadow 05:49 khonkhortisan Multiple-owner steel doors? That would be nice. 05:49 OnceOver yes and a player option for username interaction 05:49 OnceOver or maybe a command of some sort 05:50 OnceOver like /username can interact with my bricks 05:51 ShadowNinja OnceOver: sokomine has a mod like that. 05:52 OnceOver got a link by chance? 05:52 ShadowNinja But only for doors and chests by default. 05:52 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: g minetest locks mod 05:52 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS9nl-u2TZU 05:53 OnceOver thanks 05:53 ShadowNinja http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3653 05:54 OnceOver you guys are the best 05:54 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it came up with the first video result, but not the first out of all. 05:57 ShadowNinja Same for MinetestBot... 05:58 ShadowNinja Probably Google's loging of my usage made the forums come up first. 05:59 OnceOver whats minetestBot? 06:01 OnceOver also they need a thing where banned users protected chests become regular ones 06:01 OnceOver and that there doors can be pickaxed 06:02 VanessaE where doors? 06:02 VanessaE (pet peeve... there != they're != their ) 06:03 OnceOver their 06:03 OnceOver my bad 06:09 khonkhortisan I don't get this ranger game, yet I'm still playing it 06:10 OnceOver you dont get it? 06:10 OnceOver you lvl up beat the different stages get a high attack rating and go vs other players 06:26 markveidemanis Hello 06:29 OnceOver you really markveidemanis? 06:29 OnceOver the one on that server a while back? 06:30 OnceOver the name of the server was makrveidmanis 06:36 sfan5 OnceOver: the server was made for him 06:36 OnceOver awesome 06:36 OnceOver you know him? 06:37 sfan5 what do you mean by "know" 06:37 sfan5 !g minetest locks mod 06:37 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS9nl-u2TZU 06:37 sfan5 hm 06:38 OnceOver well if the server was made for him did you make it? 06:38 sfan5 I made the server 06:38 OnceOver http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3653 i think this is that mod 06:39 OnceOver so you made the server for him and you dont know him? 06:39 sfan5 the server should only be online for 2 days or so... but 06:40 OnceOver you shutting it down forever? 06:41 sfan5 no 06:41 OnceOver good cause i have built most of my legacy on your server 06:43 OnceOver i hope we know eachother pretty well since i am living on your server 06:43 OnceOver i live on your server more than i do at my house 06:43 VanessaE bbl 06:44 OnceOver bye vanesse 06:46 markveidemanis OnceOver: wanna see something cool? 06:46 OnceOver you know i do 06:46 sfan5 !seen Jordach 06:46 MinetestBot sfan5: jordach was last seen at 2013-05-30 01:16:20 UTC on #minetest 06:46 markveidemanis Try my server on the server list 06:46 markveidemanis markveidemanis' server (Technical Server) 06:47 OnceOver ok 06:47 OnceOver idk what to expect but i am excited 06:47 OnceOver when someone says cool 07:59 bcnjr5 Hey Calinou. 08:00 Calinou hi 08:09 Rhys_ Hi :) 08:09 sfan5 hi 08:09 Rhys_ Just a question: how do i make a server? 08:09 Guest36496 Ok im a guest now :( 08:10 Guest36496 Rhys = Guest36496 08:10 Guest36496 so sfan5: how do i make a server? 08:10 sfan5 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2870 08:10 Guest36496 Ok lemme read it and thanks :) 08:14 markveidemanis Rhys: /nick Name 08:14 markveidemanis Try Rhys9 08:15 markveidemanis try this http://bthomehub.home/login.lp 08:15 markveidemanis close enough 08:15 Rhys10 Hi mark :) 08:15 markveidemanis Heya 08:15 Rhys10 Ok sfan 08:15 Rhys10 i did step one 08:16 Rhys10 but minetest is keeping giving me the send error report thing 08:16 Rhys10 when i do so 08:16 markveidemanis Whats your OS and Router model? 08:16 Rhys10 ? 08:16 Rhys10 How do i find out? 08:16 markveidemanis You should know lol 08:17 Rhys10 Nope i dont 08:17 markveidemanis Windows, linux? 08:17 Rhys10 Windows 08:17 markveidemanis k 08:17 markveidemanis thats harder 08:17 Rhys10 :( 08:17 markveidemanis shift+rightclick minetest.exe 08:17 markveidemanis and click the option that is not there normally 08:17 markveidemanis something with CMD 08:17 Rhys10 ok thnx 08:18 markveidemanis then ask sfan5 :) 08:18 Rhys10 where is minetest.exe? 08:18 Rhys10 ik its in the minetest folder 08:19 Calinou Rhys10: update your graphic driver 08:19 Calinou (not through windows update!) 08:19 Rhys10 Ok 08:19 Rhys10 Which way? 08:19 Rhys10 Changing the graphics card? 08:19 markveidemanis "C://programfiles/minetest/bin/minetest.exe" --server --worldname TheWorld'sName 08:20 markveidemanis start>>run>>cm 08:20 Rhys10 ?? 08:20 markveidemanis +d 08:20 markveidemanis *>>cmd 08:20 Rhys10 :D 08:20 markveidemanis Rhys: join minetest.org:30010, im on 08:20 Rhys10 ok 08:21 Rhys10 shall i keep this chat up? 08:21 markveidemanis yep 08:21 Rhys10 Ok :) 08:21 markveidemanis http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server AHA! 08:21 markveidemanis brb ~10 min 08:21 Rhys10 coming 08:21 markveidemanis okay il wait about 5 08:21 Rhys10 Ok 08:22 markveidemanis No, i must go, be back in a wile 08:22 markveidemanis STay and build plz 08:22 Rhys10 Ok :) 08:22 Rhys10 Build what? 08:23 Calinou Changing the graphics card? => ._. 08:23 Calinou Rhys10: what's your graphics card make? 08:23 Rhys10 Ill look now 08:23 Calinou tip: "dxdiag" 08:24 Rhys10 i cant find my make 08:25 Calinou Windows+R then type in "dxdiag" 08:25 Calinou there should be a "Graphics" tab 08:25 Rhys10 nope 08:25 Rhys10 it came up with DirectX diagnostic Tool 08:25 Rhys10 It says 08:25 Rhys10 which tab? 08:25 Calinou there are many tabs, isn't there one that tells you your graphic card? 08:26 Calinou if you don't find it, click "save all information", save it on your desktop, open it, select it (ctrl+A) then copy (ctrl+C) 08:26 Calinou then go to http://paste.ubuntu.com - paste everything, give us the link 08:27 Rhys10 is it the card name? 08:27 Rhys10 which part of it do u want? 08:28 Calinou card name yes 08:28 Calinou all of it? 08:28 Calinou it isn't that long normally 08:28 Rhys10 Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family 08:28 Rhys10 thts what ive got 08:28 * Calinou facepalm 08:28 Calinou gpu/intel: You can get drivers for Intel GPUs and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/ 08:28 Calinou well, you can try 08:28 Calinou but don't expect high framerates 08:28 Rhys10 I wont 08:29 Rhys10 What is this all for? 08:29 Calinou so that the game runs? 08:30 Rhys10 I want to know how to make a server 08:30 Calinou with an outdated driver, there may be bugs, or the OpenGL version required to run minetest (1.2) isn't supported 08:30 Calinou what? 08:30 Calinou you want to make a server now? 08:30 Rhys10 Well kinda yes 08:30 Calinou well, I forgot, my fault 08:30 Calinou you don't need anything graphical to make a server 08:30 Rhys10 xD 08:30 Calinou go to your minetest directory, then "bin" 08:30 Calinou Shift+right click any empty space 08:30 Calinou click "Open command window here" 08:31 Rhys10 dosent show 08:31 Calinou :/ then, Windows+R then type "cmd" 08:31 Calinou use the "cd" command to get to your minetest directory then "bin" 08:31 Calinou then minetest.exe --server 08:31 Rhys10 I dont get this :( 08:32 Rhys10 i guess i am just not up for it yet... 08:33 Calinou you aren't 08:33 Rhys10 Ik ;( 08:33 Calinou there are probably enough servers to play on already 08:33 Rhys10 i guess 08:33 Rhys10 Ok bye then :) 08:36 kaeza lol 08:36 kaeza kids these days... :/ 08:36 kaeza they don't even know what cmd is 08:37 bcnjr5 Xp 08:37 Calinou more like, they don't know about tab completion or file paths 08:38 Calinou I'm surprised microsoft didn't put a tutorial when you first boot windows... all games do that, so why not windows 08:38 ruskie because windows is not a game 08:38 ruskie hehe 08:38 Calinou who said so? 08:38 kaeza it isn't? 08:38 Calinou :) 08:39 ruskie or maybe to be more precise.. a tutorial is an optional and rather annoying part of it 08:39 bcnjr5 Windows is just a cheap knock-off of GNOME. 08:41 markveidemanis netsplit 08:42 Calinou bcnjr5: actually it isn't, GNOME 3 doesn't have a charms bar or stuff like that :P 08:43 bcnjr5 Windows and GNOME are kind of like Minecraft and Minetest, come to think of it... 08:43 ruskie windows and kde are more like that 08:43 ruskie kde was always more focused on looking and feeling like windows 08:44 ruskie right down to the file open/save windows 08:45 markveidemanis Rhys10: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954 08:45 bcnjr5 Rhys left. 08:45 markveidemanis okay 08:46 markveidemanis Do you like the new layout of the info? 08:46 kaeza stupid SDL 08:47 kaeza error display: Could not initialize SDL_video: No available video device <-- O RLY? 08:53 markveidemanis Can i add a server to the public list when im on the server? 08:53 markveidemanis with/set? 09:13 Rhys_ I am Rhys 09:13 Rhys_ ... 09:14 markveidemanis Rhys10: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954 09:14 Rhys10 Whats this about? 09:14 markveidemanis The server :) 09:15 Rhys10 Ok :) 09:15 markveidemanis check out the screenshots 09:15 Rhys10 :O 09:15 Rhys10 Its sky city!!!!!!!!!!!!! 09:16 Rhys10 :D 09:16 Rhys10 nice screenshots, mark 09:16 Rhys10 ok back to minetest.org? 09:59 Calinou doesn't involve ponies, not horrible 09:59 Calinou also, that kind of stuff tends to happen when booting for me, but rarely 09:59 Calinou a reboot and it is fixed 10:12 codedevil :D 10:15 markveidemanis Who is good with mesecons/digiline/receivers? 10:23 sfan5 "time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time ls" is the same as "time ls" for me 10:46 sfan5 john_minetest: wanna play jsbombers? 10:50 markveidemanis I found a way to save CPU... 10:50 sfan5 john_minetest: http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8383 10:50 sfan5 *:8083 10:50 markveidemanis in linux/lubuntu:open minetestserver and click execute, it shows up as a tack, no need for console 10:51 sfan5 markveidemanis: that doesn't save any cpu 10:51 markveidemanis Yes it does if you have a netbook 10:51 markveidemanis The terminal uses CPU, yes? 10:51 sfan5 if you care about that 0.00001% cpu the consple uses, you need to buy a new computer and not use the stoneage thing you have 10:51 markveidemanis This way i dont have any F**ing windows open 10:52 sfan5 *console 10:52 markveidemanis And its the same as going into the multiplayer thing in game except if i crash it doesnt take down the server 10:52 sfan5 john_minetest: you coming? 10:57 sfan5 john_minetest: maybe its firefox? 11:02 markveidemanis http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8083/ 11:02 markveidemanis Who will play with me? 11:03 FreeFull If Linux wins, why is windows the one with win in the name? 11:08 markveidemanis sfan5.... 11:08 sfan5 it crashed 11:08 markveidemanis It broke 11:08 sfan5 if someone observing a game quits, everything break 11:08 sfan5 brb dinner 11:09 markveidemanis and when i use someone elses nick, eveerything crash 11:12 Calinou no, everyone leaves 11:13 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:14 markveidemanis Hello PilzAdam! 11:14 Guest69500 someone help me with logic 11:15 markveidemanis ? 11:15 markveidemanis This channel is lagging 11:16 markveidemanis I did that 30 seconds ago, got it changed, changed my name back and identified 11:16 PilzAdam thexyz, forum is down: "MySQL reported: Too many connections" 11:17 PilzAdam https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5677195 11:17 markveidemanis Sorry! The page could not be loaded. Unable to connect to MySQL and select database. MySQL reported: Too many connections 11:17 markveidemanis minetest forum 11:17 Calinou read: minecraft 1.6 is out 11:18 markveidemanis and we are still 0.4 11:18 thexyz hurr durr 11:18 PilzAdam works again 11:19 markveidemanis 86.172.132.147 Help 11:19 markveidemanis I think i found a bug with wireless 11:23 Calinou mesecons? 11:23 Calinou report it on github, simpler 11:25 markveidemanis JOin server, im not sure how to describe it or im just being a noob and missing something obvious 11:25 Calinou video/screenshots then 11:27 PilzAdam john_minetest, lol 11:27 PilzAdam with a self made antenna out of a bean can 11:29 PilzAdam Calinou, take it down: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92493#p92493 11:31 BlockMen hi 11:33 PilzAdam hey ho BlockMen 11:34 Calinou PilzAdam: what is it? virus? 11:35 PilzAdam well, he just copied it from a not free MC pack 11:37 * Calinou noticed, "Sky hardcore" is now "Sky" 11:37 Calinou rule lawerying huehuehue 11:37 Calinou lawyering* 11:38 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6136 <- spam 11:38 kaeza thought that guy was gone for good 12:10 sfan5 hahahahahah 12:15 Jordach sup 12:19 Jordach PilzAdam, kanguru 12:20 PilzAdam Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, youre wrong 12:21 PilzAdam youre wrong youre wrong 12:21 Jordach enjoy that forum item 12:22 PilzAdam lol, german version: http://youtu.be/6m1TcNQM4rs 12:33 sfan5 [german] google translator makes the funniest things: http://i.imgur.com/G3onnm6.png [/german] 12:33 Jordach PilzAdam, that video was clearly falsch 12:34 PilzAdam sfan5, mit stall _und_ krÃ¤useln? oO 12:34 sfan5 PilzAdam: CURL/kraÃ¼seln Stable/Stall 12:40 markveidemanis Who can help me with some base lua 12:40 sfan5 markveidemanis: #lua 12:40 PilzAdam oO ubuntu now removes the old linux kernel packages 12:52 markveidemanis i just realised... 12:52 markveidemanis //lua minetest.chat_send_all("hi") works! 12:55 PilzAdam markveidemanis, do you actually know what mods you have installed? 12:55 markveidemanis morldedit 12:55 markveidemanis worldedit 13:01 Jordach markveidemanis, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#forum 13:01 Jordach http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html * 13:02 PilzAdam spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92520#p92520 13:03 markveidemanis minetest.chat_send_all(minetest.get_connected_players) 13:03 markveidemanis ? 13:03 Jordach how do they still get past? 13:04 PilzAdam "Notice! The message count of your Inbox is close to the limit of 100 messages. Please, delete old and unnecessary messages. Otherwise, you cannot receive new messages if the limit is reached." \o/ finally no PMs anymore 13:05 Jordach i once made a mod where the node animated without using latest features 13:08 * Jordach eats sausage roll 13:10 Jordach im also thinking that every hour, lava_flowing should cool into stone 13:20 Jordach i just noticed that wolfram alpha does the game of life when calculating 13:24 markveidemanis Can i use the Commandbox to do //lua from the luacontroller? 13:25 Jordach markveidemanis, ask on the forum topic 13:25 Jordach nopt here 13:25 Jordach not* 13:29 Jordach i've always had a theory 13:30 Jordach teach C++ alongside regular human language 13:30 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7983685 13:30 markveidemanis help 13:32 Jordach markveidemanis, http://pastie.org/7983689 13:32 Jordach try commas 13:32 Jordach i learned that the hard way 13:32 Jordach Lua shares a lot with Python, but not end of lines 13:33 markveidemanis lol ok 13:33 Jordach actually, http://pastie.org/7983692 13:34 Jordach mathematical statements such as a = b don't need commas iirc 13:35 markveidemanis Jordach... 13:35 Jordach yes 13:35 markveidemanis Umm how to explain this 13:36 markveidemanis I am trying to send the result of multiple input instances to the screen 13:36 markveidemanis so if i enter e 13:36 markveidemanis then a 13:36 Jordach it prints ea 13:36 markveidemanis it will send e \n a 13:36 Jordach that should use a for loop 13:36 Jordach with prints 13:36 markveidemanis i cant use for 13:37 Jordach while X = Y then blah 13:37 markveidemanis local prohibited = {"while", "for", "repeat", "until", "function"} 13:37 Jordach then in theory, its impossibke 13:38 Jordach inmpossible 13:38 Jordach you need a loop to do it 13:38 Jordach otherwise you might as well as code a minetest mod 13:39 markveidemanis it is a loop 13:39 markveidemanis on every input 13:39 markveidemanis In worldedit, can i make a hollow box? 13:48 markveidemanis Jordach: can you help me with the code? 13:49 markveidemanis Every time i send on tty1, it appends it and sends it 13:49 markveidemanis so every time i send a new line 13:49 bibivincs hi everyone 13:51 PilzAdam Jordach, what is this bullshit "put commas at the end of lines"? 13:51 PilzAdam commas only need to be in tabled 13:51 PilzAdam *tables 13:52 PilzAdam this clearly is not a table 13:58 markveidemanis who can fix it then? 13:58 markveidemanis And how can i carry info from command blocks to luacontrollers 13:58 markveidemanis with //lua 14:07 sweetbomber hello. just to make sure: a block goes from (0, 0, 0) to (15,15,15) , right? 14:10 kaeza sweetbomber, yes 14:10 kaeza hey Zeg9 14:10 Zeg9 Hello ! 14:16 * kaeza nuked apache2 and installed hiawatha instead 14:16 kaeza much easier to maintain 14:16 kaeza s/maintain/configure/ 14:21 proller use nginx! 14:40 PilzAdam someone should trash this topic just for the lulz: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92539#p92539 14:42 Zeg9 john_minetest!!! 14:42 PilzAdam Zeg9!!! 14:43 Zeg9 PilzAdam!!! 14:43 kaeza kaeza!!! 14:43 Zeg9 lol 14:43 PilzAdam I need textures for the new things added to MiniTest 14:43 PilzAdam have you seen the shears or redstone? 14:43 Zeg9 +1 for trashing the topic; I have seen redstone, not shears 14:43 PilzAdam especially my awesome drawing skills ;-) 14:44 Zeg9 "I promise, that if ANYBODY messes with me for no reason ONE MORE TIME, i will make the whole minetest website crash!" 14:45 PilzAdam I think this offending, it violates the forum rules; trash it! 14:45 Zeg9 Guess who wrote this 14:45 Zeg9 First one 14:46 PilzAdam I dont thing markv knows that you can take down websites... 14:47 PilzAdam ok, who told him that? 14:47 * PilzAdam looks at kaeza 14:47 kaeza wut 14:48 * kaeza lol'd 14:48 thexyz wait, wait 14:48 thexyz i love it 14:49 markveidemanis i know how to take down a website... i think 14:49 PilzAdam thexyz, how about closing it? 14:49 markveidemanis first you find a fridge 14:49 markveidemanis then get a teddy bear from a bus stop 14:52 sweetbomber lol 14:54 sweetbomber i think the was just talking about closing his internet explorer window. 14:54 sweetbomber *guy 14:55 PilzAdam sure, if you close your browers the internet turns into standby mode and waits for you to come back 14:55 kaeza nah. probably sending the blue 'e' to the recycle bin 14:55 sweetbomber "If i cant see it, it isn't there" :p 14:56 sweetbomber anyway, the guy wanted some attention 14:57 Zeg9 IIRC just by telling internet explorer to visit a website it may crash the whole server[/troll] 14:57 sweetbomber and managed to get it. proceed 14:57 kaeza and Calinou too 14:57 kaeza oops 14:57 * Calinou checks IRC logs 14:57 Calinou :> 14:58 PilzAdam Calinou, we need some anti-troll troll here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92549#p92549 14:58 Calinou oh by the way, it was my dropbox birthday yesterday :D 14:58 * PilzAdam bets 10$ that Calinou wins 15:02 PilzAdam it depends whether you use IPv3 or IPv5 15:03 kaeza well, duh 15:04 proller ipv6 not merged yet ? 15:04 kaeza IPv3 uses TSP 15:04 proller i can test 15:04 markveidemanis yes, it works even better with ice-cream though 15:04 PilzAdam john_minetest, yea, it works with IPv4.5 mac edition if you plug the fridge into a potato 15:04 Zeg9 If only Ragnar was reaing that :p 15:05 Zeg9 +d 15:06 PilzAdam GNU has released patch, though, that doubles the size of fridge 15:06 Calinou "mac edition" 15:06 * Calinou still remembers that "mac edition" HD7950 15:07 Calinou 400 euros, while you can find 7950s for 250 euros... 15:07 markveidemanis I can count to potato! 15:10 Calinou carrot* 15:10 Calinou FTFY 15:10 PilzAdam you dont need the juice if you go to your Linux registry and change the key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/foo/fridge/juice/ice/bar/ice/foo/fridge to "AAKGGNEAFAGG" 15:10 Calinou john_minetest: welcome to my forum signature 15:12 thexyz s/Linux registry/Gnome registry/ 15:12 Zeg9 did you mean the wine registry? 15:13 PilzAdam Zeg9, note how you correctly close the brackets: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/commit/54113d87c3d768e6385c2f83a5af76e8cd39398e 15:13 Zeg9 :D 15:14 PilzAdam /etc/ is deprecated 15:14 Calinou edit /etc/Frigeorg/fridgeorg.conf 15:14 Calinou in the "Device" section, add "EnableFridgeControl 4" 15:14 PilzAdam use the new registry builtin into the Linux kernel 15:15 PilzAdam firefox can heat it up 15:15 Calinou but chromium will freeze it again, and google chrome will spy on that coffee 15:15 PilzAdam google created a patch for it, wich microsoft deleted and finally someone from Oracle threw it into firefox 15:16 Calinou to actually heat it up, put a running phenom Ã—6 in that coffee 15:16 Calinou good luck 15:16 PilzAdam people from Oracle are driving in their cars like crazy in order to increase the speed of the global warming to melt the coffee 15:17 Calinou lol 15:18 kaeza john_minetest, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBVDp5eBMhU 15:19 kaeza ^ irony 15:21 Mustek .version 15:21 Mustek sorry, wrong channel 15:22 Mustek you guys need a version command if you didn't already 15:22 PilzAdam version of what? 15:22 Mustek minetest? 15:22 PilzAdam its written in the topic 15:22 Mustek still 15:23 kaeza O.o 15:23 PilzAdam /topic 15:23 PilzAdam ^ here you have your version command 15:23 Calinou Ragnar is high: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2030052013%20-%2017%3A22%3A39.png 15:23 Calinou he posted this in the "farming added" news 15:23 PilzAdam yea, I saw 15:24 Jordach nice IP ragnar 15:24 * Zeg9 likes when moderators take screenshots 15:25 Jordach (8/9/0)4.5(8/9/0).(2/3)(8/9/0).65 15:25 Jordach is ragnar's ip 15:25 Calinou heh 15:26 Calinou Jordach: edited the image, I saw: P 15:26 Calinou Jordach: that still makes for a lot of potential IPs 15:26 Jordach find estonia's ip range 15:27 Jordach that cuts the first sector down 15:28 Jordach okay 15:28 Jordach ragnar is on weed: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92532#p92532 15:29 Jordach i *do not* look like chain lynx 15:30 Calinou lol 15:30 Calinou chainlynx has a funny face already :P 15:31 Jordach and i dont own an iPhony 15:51 Jordach die nÃ¤chste sentance ist falsch 15:52 FreeFull I don't like pie 15:53 Calinou cake is better 15:53 thexyz it's a lie though 16:01 Jordach thexyz, Someone requested a new password for your Minetest 16:01 Jordach login at http://minetest.net/ 16:01 Jordach If you did not request a new password then just ignore this email. 16:03 thexyz ShadowNinja: that wasn't paste flood 16:03 thexyz 3 lines ain't no paste flood 16:03 khonkhortisan obviously you typed it at a human speed 16:04 Jordach thexyz, my login wasnt hacked 16:05 thexyz Jordach: why do you ping me about that issue? 16:05 thexyz i only manage forum.minetest.net 16:05 thexyz and dev.minetest.net 16:05 thexyz and servers 16:05 thexyz seriously, why? 16:05 Jordach thexyz, better to have one know than have it hidden 16:05 Jordach *someone* is trying to hack ud 16:05 Jordach us* 16:07 thexyz that sucks 16:07 thexyz but i can't do anything about it 16:08 thexyz which reminds me of one thing though 16:08 thexyz when was that "air sword" topic deleted? 16:12 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92539#p92539 <--- I say ban his ass. 16:12 VanessaE also, hi 16:12 thexyz okay, i'll find out myself 16:15 thexyz oh, whatever, too lazy 16:15 thexyz i suppose it was deleted a while ago 16:15 kaeza lol 16:15 kaeza hey V 16:15 thexyz at least i can't find it in a backup from 02.02 16:20 VanessaE I'd have put that under the "act suitably" part actually. 16:21 thexyz i believe it's fine 16:21 VanessaE threatening to hack/crash the main website? 16:21 thexyz freedom of speech at its best 16:21 thexyz yes 16:22 * VanessaE shrugs 16:30 Jordach someone did try to hack my minetest.net dokuwiki acc. 16:31 Jordach hm? 16:37 VanessaE mobile devices don't have the computing power for that 16:37 jordan4ibanez Perfect os for viruses. 16:37 VanessaE interpreted languages are inherently slower than compiled languages. 16:37 * Jordach slaps VanessaE with a Samsung Galaxy S4 16:38 Jordach those can handle modern video game graphics 16:38 VanessaE Jordach: but they aren't running interpreted languages to create said graphics are they? 16:39 Jordach VanessaE, python + pyopengl is actually pretty fast# 16:39 Jordach python is interpretted, but extensions are c/C++ 16:39 Jordach you do lose about 0.01secs 16:40 thexyz how's your battery doing? 16:40 Jordach hows your battery exploding 16:43 sfan5 noooo 16:44 sfan5 nooooooooo 16:45 Jordach KHAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN! 16:45 Jordach KKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! 16:45 Jordach technically, the language is called Android 16:46 ruskie it's still java 16:46 Jordach because the main stuff is android.foo 16:46 ruskie with a dalvik VM underneath 16:46 ruskie which in essence is a java VM 16:46 Jordach iOS uses Objective C 16:46 ruskie only has android. stuff added to the classpath 16:46 ruskie and you can make nitev software on android to c++/c 16:47 ruskie erm native even 16:48 Jordach hey bas080 16:48 bas080 Hey Jordach 16:49 bas080 Jordach, how's the composing coming along? 16:49 Jordach alright 16:49 bas080 anything new? 16:49 Jordach not really. PusleAudio is a asshole to FL Studio 16:49 Jordach an* 16:49 bas080 is started using lmms 16:50 Jordach bas080, http://www.mediafire.com/listen/s8i5fpw261n0fbr/CPU_Generated.ogg 16:51 bas080 spacey pluck(i think). 16:51 Jordach bas080, hybrid of the two sqaure purities 16:55 Zeg9 PilzAdam: /me found gold before iron in minitest... 16:59 PilzAdam Zeg9, try to mine it :-p 17:00 Zeg9 The worst is that it was exactly the same thing when I started playing minecraft... 17:07 VanessaE sfan5: you around? 17:08 VanessaE actually.. 17:08 VanessaE PilzAdam: in worldedit++, do you have a fixlight command? 17:08 PilzAdam yes 17:08 VanessaE which method does it use? 17:08 PilzAdam and it doesnt lag, only digs 64/step 17:08 VanessaE can you try something for me? 17:08 PilzAdam depends what it is 17:09 VanessaE can you try calling nodeupdate instead of dig? See if it has the same effect? 17:09 PilzAdam of course it doesnt 17:09 PilzAdam nodeupdate only updates the falling and attached nodes 17:09 VanessaE damn. 17:10 VanessaE reason I ask is that fixlight lags because rollback manager is slowing it down 17:10 PilzAdam disable rollback :-p 17:10 VanessaE I was hoping there was another way that would avoid those events being logged 17:14 Zeg9 Maybe... rollback could only log actions from players (I guess fixlight doesn't tell the player who "digs" the nodes) 17:14 VanessaE is there any chance I could get you to move that function into builtin or so? 17:14 VanessaE (nodeupdate I mean) 17:14 VanessaE er, that was wrong 17:15 VanessaE it's already in builtin as part of falling.lua 17:15 VanessaE I mean, move it into some more "generic" place 17:17 * PilzAdam installs Diablo 2 in wine 17:17 kahrl Zeg9: I know someone who found diamond before coal in a minecraft world 17:18 * Zeg9 is surprised not finding lava blobs around bedrock in minitest 17:19 Calinou ~10 layers above bedrock there's lava in minecraft 17:19 Calinou any air block below is replaced with a lava source 17:19 Calinou "lava flood" 17:20 PilzAdam really? 17:20 PilzAdam thats interesting 17:20 PilzAdam and easy to code 17:20 Calinou http://minecraftwiki.net/altitude 17:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: actually forget what I said about nodeupdate, I wasn't thinking straight. 17:27 sfan5 VanessaE: yes 17:27 VanessaE sfan5: nevermind, too late :) 17:27 sfan5 VanessaE: you could disable rollback 17:28 VanessaE well that's right out 17:29 PilzAdam Calinou, done 17:29 PilzAdam this is interesting because diamond spawn under the air -> lava level 17:30 PilzAdam +s 17:30 sfan5 VanessaE: just for a tiny moment 17:30 VanessaE sfan5: well at any rate, can you throttle fixlight down so that it doesn't lag? seems PA figured that out too 17:31 sfan5 VanessaE: I can't throttle individual functions 17:31 sfan5 I can only throttle all or none 17:31 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI 17:31 Jordach sfan5, ^ 17:31 PilzAdam Calinou, fun fact: you can find ways through the bedrock into the nether, but its harder now with the lava 17:33 kaeza HORY SHET! 17:33 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92599#p92599 17:33 Zeg9 PilzAdam: isn't the probability for the last layer of 1? 17:33 Zeg9 hmm 17:33 Zeg9 anyway, its funnier like that. something that minecraft doesn't have. 17:34 PilzAdam I spawn 16 layers of solid bedrock but the cave generator just cuts though it sometimes 17:34 Zeg9 even if is_ground_content = false? 17:34 PilzAdam this flag is not used yet 17:34 PilzAdam but it will probably fix it 17:35 Zeg9 Not sure, I think the default is false... 17:35 PilzAdam yes, default is nil 17:35 Calinou O_o big wall of text 17:35 Calinou let's read it as if it was MLP fanfic, will be funnier 17:37 PilzAdam https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fadbwt9wdbmz09/BedrockCave.png 17:40 Zeg9 Naughty cave generator:p 17:42 FreeFull PilzAdam: One can always tunnel through lava 17:43 arsdragonfly is there any kind of filtering in mapgen? 17:43 proller no problem to move over lava with water 17:43 arsdragonfly sometimes some blocks seem out of place:P 17:49 sweetbomber hmmmm: i made a pull request regarding the spawning, which we talked yesterday 17:50 sweetbomber I have some ideas regarding biomes which i wanted to discuss with you and with whoever is thinking of map-gen and biomes 17:50 hmmmm sure thing 18:02 Jordach why is Calinou obsessed with ponies 18:04 sweetbomber hmmm i have some ideas about biomes 18:04 hmmmm yes, you mentioned that, what are they? 18:04 sweetbomber you were working on them, in mapgen_v7, right? 18:04 hmmmm yes, i am... 18:04 sweetbomber well, basically, i think there should be a biome engine 18:04 Calinou Jordach: no 8) 18:05 sweetbomber which takes configurations for each biome in a directory or something 18:05 sweetbomber and for each biome, a configuration file defines several stuff: 18:06 sweetbomber namely special structures, parameters for ores, parameters for terrain generation 18:06 sweetbomber there could be several structures in a biome 18:06 hmmmm that is a great idea 18:06 sweetbomber and by structures i mean every thing: from trees to dungeons and npc villages 18:06 hmmmm it's so good that we're already doing that 18:07 sweetbomber but regarding structures 18:07 hmmmm schematic type for decorations 18:07 sweetbomber i think they should be made taking into account modules 18:07 sweetbomber where a structure can be made of several modules connected by "bonding points" 18:07 hmmmm it's true that i haven't committed anything related to that yet, because i'm sort of hung up on a technical problem 18:08 sweetbomber and such modules could be selected randomly for each complete structure 18:08 hmmmm that's how nether fotresses are generated in Minecraft 18:08 sweetbomber for example: a npc village would be a structure, and each housing type is a module, where the bonding point is the door or something else 18:09 sweetbomber each module would be as well be defined in such config file 18:09 sweetbomber a river would be a structure also 18:09 sweetbomber where several parts would be connected, 18:10 sweetbomber this means that each structure should have some degrees of freedom, which would be randomized 18:10 sweetbomber a house would have no degree of freedom, but a river would have a little 18:11 sweetbomber trees would have a little degree of freedom too 18:11 hmmmm these variable structures would be covered by L-systems decorations 18:13 sweetbomber sorry my ignorance (i did not find anything in google): what are L-systems decorations? 18:13 hmmmm there are three decoration types: basic, schematic, and l-system. basic covers such things as papyrus, cacti, and patches of grass, schematic is for more static (but it does allow for randomness) structures where you define some model of a structure that's placed, and l-system decorations are defined by rules and what not 18:13 hmmmm currently, l-systems are only being used by trees but that's clearly far from the only intended use 18:16 sweetbomber what is your technical problem? Can i help you out? 18:17 hmmmm i have a solution but it's something i'd rather avoid 18:18 hmmmm if a decoration doesn't fit, i'm planning on putting the information about this "cut-off" onto a queue, and passing it to emergethread #0 to handle 18:19 hmmmm there'll have to be a whole separate system for handling this 18:19 sweetbomber doesn't fit where? within a block? 18:19 hmmmm an appropriately-sized MMVM would have to be emerged and then the writing will happen there instead of inside of makeChunk() 18:20 hmmmm and of course this might have some race condition problems so i'd have to wait on anything that's using the blocks involved with the decoration placement 18:20 hmmmm doesn't fit inside the chunk currently being generated 18:21 hmmmm so this is the "solution" but i'm trying to find something better before i go through all of that 18:22 sweetbomber hmm, i see it 18:22 hmmmm chances are you won't be able to help, to be honest, sorry.. you'd need a very good understanding of what's going on in the map generating process and all the interactions going on 18:22 sweetbomber in fact i dont think queing it would be a good idea 18:23 hmmmm hey, if you can figure something else out that'll work, that's awesome 18:23 hmmmm i've mulled over this for a couple days and it's the best i've come up with 18:23 sweetbomber imagine the following 18:25 sweetbomber imagine that it is possible to know if a given 2d coordinate is supposed to have a structure 18:25 sweetbomber (this is possible since the randomness is deterministic) 18:25 hmmmm before you bother suggesting that I just emerge the rest of what I need in makeChunk(), that won't work because it'd throw off the cubic shape of a chunk, i'd need to lock the environment from inside the mapgen (simply not happening), and then i'd have to synchronize with the other threads that may be generating the affected additional area 18:26 sweetbomber then, when we build a chunk with a structure that does not fit, it simply leaves the structure uncomplete 18:27 hmmmm in order to do that, i'd need to calculate the placements of structures for an indeterminate range 18:27 sweetbomber when building the next chunk, it will be known that in certain part of it there is a structure, because the structure-location function indicates there is a structure 18:27 hmmmm this is the first thing i considered 18:28 sweetbomber but you dont need to calculate everything, it can be calculated as needed 18:28 hmmmm how do i know i need it 18:29 sweetbomber you only calculate for each chunk 18:30 hmmmm but the point of the cut-off is that you don't know what's supposed to be in what chunk 18:30 hmmmm so i'd have to be calculating decorations to be placed in surrounding chunks for some large-ish radius 18:31 sweetbomber let me think of a practical way to do that, so that a chunk would have the same structure no matter of what parts of the map are generated... 18:31 sweetbomber *parts of the map were previously generated... 18:33 sweetbomber btw, we are thinking of abritrarly sized structures, that could be several chunks in size, right? 18:33 hmmmm yes 18:39 sweetbomber ok, we could create a second 2d map 18:39 sweetbomber which has the structure information only 18:40 sweetbomber lets imagine the following 18:40 sweetbomber the structure starts at a given node coordinate 18:40 sweetbomber that will be the structure "seed" or trunk 18:41 sweetbomber then, that structure is built, and within the same chunk there is no problem 18:42 sweetbomber since the structure could have different modules connected, etc...lets call those sub-structures branches 18:43 sweetbomber when a branch reaches a chunk limit, it stores the branch's data in a 2d array 18:44 sweetbomber oc, the 2d coordinate of the trunk would also indicate the trunk data 18:44 sweetbomber more easily, each 2d coordinate could only point to the trunk data 18:45 hmmmm wouldn't that imply there's a set number of structures existing 18:47 sweetbomber the array would need to accommodate several entries on each point 18:47 sweetbomber but i wouldnt call it a 3d array because each 2d coordinated had a different depth 18:49 hmmmm you should also be aware that decoration placement is not only based on a position, but the previous state of the random seed as well 18:49 sweetbomber since there are a lot of small structures, like trees, maybe the trunk data could be dismissed from such map 18:49 hmmmm what you want is almost like perlin noise 18:49 sweetbomber in fact, i really wanted a f(x, y, z) function that specified the structure at that point in the world 18:50 sweetbomber seems complicated, but i will still give some toughts to that 18:51 sweetbomber in fact my greatest driver to want to become part of this community is the map generation, because it seems very challenging 18:54 sweetbomber i just noticed one thing: i think that by using the 2d map or whatever that is not a f(x,y,z) could lead to problems because the chunks could be emerged in parallel by different threads, right? 18:56 Jordach sweetbomber, #minetest-dev 19:02 sweetbomber Jordach: sorry 19:02 Jordach sweetbomber, thats fine, but really, development is more suited for there 19:08 Jordach my technophobe of a mother picked up the droid tablet and was sneakily playing angry birds 19:09 hmmmm having an f(x, y, z) function kind of goes against the whole way that decorations are placed 19:10 hmmmm also you'd have to lose the randomness in position 19:10 hmmmm well, nevermind what i last said 19:10 hmmmm could use noise2d() i guess 19:11 hmmmm i'd have to think about it, but what you said is a fundamentally different approach and it'd change a lot 19:11 hmmmm hrm 19:12 hmmmm specifically, we'd need to iterate over the entire map, regardless of how rare decorations are 19:23 Jordach LETS SPAM WHILE SHADOWBOT'S AWAY 19:23 sfan5 Jordach: no 19:24 Jordach sfan5, i was taking the piss 19:30 VanessaE http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/05/30/1520213/ubuntu-closes-longstanding-bug-1 19:30 VanessaE O.o 19:30 VanessaE https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 19:33 harrison what do you call a large lizard from africa or asia who believes that healing comes from faith alone? 19:33 harrison christian science monitor 19:37 sweetbomber hmmmm: ill think if that is doable 19:39 kaeza VanessaE, lol 19:39 kaeza interesting bug report 19:39 kaeza glad it got "fixed" 19:47 * Calinou facepalm 19:47 Calinou hello harshlinuxian 19:47 Calinou news: linux isn't only for the elite 19:48 * VanessaE grumbles at john_minetest .... I use ubuntu, thank you. 19:49 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92604#p92604 <= yey 19:49 Calinou another topic full of arguing 19:49 VanessaE oh mine's hardly 'default' though 19:49 Calinou same, xubuntu with chromium + clementine + eog + libreoffice + geany 19:50 Calinou removed leafpad/abiword/gnumeric/gmusicbrowser... 19:50 Calinou using it in default configuration implies 20 FPS in sauerbraten 8) 19:51 Calinou KDE isn't an example of speed, even less with compositing 19:52 VanessaE xubuntu (=xfce + lightdm) works well enough for me 19:52 VanessaE yep 19:58 VanessaE Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/commit/30a5bc3494c646935206296b81a816f3380cdb2c 19:58 VanessaE this is all your fault ;) 20:00 VanessaE (did the same on all my other mods, and on HDX too, and jpegoptim there too) 20:01 Calinou dat nvidia penguin 20:03 Calinou VanessaE, too bad github doesn't show file sizes :/ 20:03 Calinou in the diff views 20:03 Calinou would be nice :P 20:03 VanessaE pngcrush saved 34MB on HDX 512px (jpegoptim saved another 1MB) 20:06 Calinou nice 20:14 thexyz there's also pngquant (lossy) 20:14 VanessaE ew. 20:15 VanessaE I should, however, go through my files and see what textures I can re-compress lower setting without appreciable quality loss 20:15 VanessaE +to a 20:15 Calinou thexyz, lossy png compression? :phoronix rolleyes: 20:18 thexyz quite useful 20:18 thexyz in some cases 20:19 Calinou unless you need transparency, use jpg 20:19 VanessaE I do, however, wish there were a way to jpg-compress images that need transparency 20:19 thexyz don't 20:19 thexyz pngvsjpg.png 20:19 Calinou lol 20:19 Calinou you mean .xcf :) 20:20 thexyz oh, yes 20:20 Calinou does lossy compressed png look at least as good as a quality 95 jpeg? what about size? 20:31 thexyz what's the point of quality 95 jpeg for images with few colors? 20:31 Calinou in this case, use lossless png 20:31 Calinou for simple-ish images 20:39 thexyz well, as i said, it's useful in some cases (for me, at least) 20:39 thexyz (pngquat, that is) 20:39 thexyz and yes, I can't spot a difference between png and 95% jpg 20:40 thexyz dunno about 16Ã—16 tiles though 20:40 thexyz woo, reactos 0.3.15 20:46 thexyz why do you even need it? 20:49 Calinou ^ 20:49 Calinou no idea what is a initramfs :-D 20:52 Calinou says the guy with a prebuild/laptop 20:52 Calinou also, a linux kernel compile usually takes less than 10 minutes, no? 20:53 thexyz i once had to compile it using p4 20:53 thexyz it sucked 20:54 thexyz oh, it explains everything 20:54 thexyz john_minetest: just compile all device drivers in kernel 20:55 thexyz then there will be no need in initramfs 21:04 kaeza how long does it take for a server to appear on the list? 21:04 kaeza *master list 21:05 VanessaE usually it's immediate 21:05 kaeza hmm 21:05 kaeza something must be wrong with conf then 21:05 VanessaE does your build have cURL? 21:06 kaeza I believe so... lemme check 21:06 Calinou immediate, yeah 21:07 Calinou kaeza, paste your relevant minetest.conf entries maybe 21:07 kaeza hmm no CURL... 21:07 kaeza Calinou, a sec 21:07 Calinou you need curl 21:07 Calinou the "gnutls" one is recommended, afaik 21:08 kaeza I'll recompile 21:08 kaeza I need to pull latest changes anyway 21:11 kaeza well, expect some disconnection 21:12 VanessaE well I have to admit, pngquant works very well indeed 21:13 kaeza Calinou, libcurl4-gnutls-dev? 21:14 kaeza VanessaE, lzip is another great compression program 21:14 kaeza it can compress files to 0 bytes! 21:14 VanessaE heh 21:14 Uberi whoa I'm impressed 21:15 Calinou kaeza, yes, iirc 21:15 Calinou kaeza, "rm" also compresses files to 0 bytes >:o 21:16 Uberi in fact you can use it to compress your whole filesystem! 21:16 Uberi that way you can save massive amounts of disk space 21:16 Uberi all you have to use is this one simple command 21:16 kaeza save infinite amounts of money with bandwidth! 21:17 kaeza 21:17 Uberi that sounds like one expensive ISP 21:18 kaeza library weighs 123KB, you need to install 6MB of dependencies 21:18 kaeza *genius* 21:18 Calinou oppa debian style 21:21 Uberi and it doesn't even take that many universe lifespans to do it! 21:22 Calinou 2-6, may be inaccurate 21:23 Uberi and compression is a lot faster than a lot of known algorithms 21:24 Uberi https://gist.github.com/Uberi/3334552 21:24 Uberi oh sorry wrong channel 21:25 kaeza that looks like Windows batch files 21:25 kaeza except with proper loop constructs 21:26 Uberi its syntax is sort of a mix between the BASICs and the C-families 21:28 kaeza rediception? 21:37 sfan5 good night 21:41 kaeza night sfan 21:41 Uberi|AoS o/ 21:41 kaeza success! the server is listed! 21:41 kaeza bleh 21:41 kaeza need to change description 21:45 VanessaE yay \o/ 21:46 kaeza there, that fixed it 21:46 kaeza lol: 01:45:18: ACTION[ServerThread]: happy112 attempted to interact with [node under=-5,0,13 above=-5,1,1 21:46 kaeza 3] without 'interact' privilege 21:47 kaeza hmm 21:47 kaeza that 112 sounds familiar 21:47 kaeza rotor? 21:57 kaeza ehm I'm a bit confused... 21:57 kaeza what's the most recent WE mod? 21:58 Uberi|AoS the git version 21:58 Uberi|AoS it is the only canonical, supported version 21:58 kaeza I mean, there's one by PA, one by sfan, one by ... 21:58 Uberi|AoS kaeza: sfan and I work on WE together 21:59 kaeza ah 21:59 Uberi|AoS PA's is WE++, and is a reduced-feature-set version 21:59 Uberi|AoS that also has block queues, which WE didn't have at the time 21:59 Uberi|AoS it does now, but WE++'s implementation is a bit better 22:00 kaeza hmm 22:01 Uberi|AoS kaeza: if you need more advanced actions like Luatransforms, rotation, trasnposition, primitives, serialization, use WE 22:01 Uberi|AoS if you want small and simple and fast go with WE++ 22:01 kaeza I just need to copy a structure over to the server 22:02 Uberi|AoS oh WE++ uses WE's code for that so both should work the same 22:02 kaeza I cloned your repo anyway :P 22:03 Uberi|AoS :D 22:03 Uberi|AoS WE++ also has things like /pause and /resume, which WE doesn't have (yet) 22:26 Uberi|AoS does anyone have profiling data for operations like minetest.set_node? 22:27 Uberi|AoS as in, so and so milliseconds to set one node, so and so milliseconds to remove one 22:35 kaeza wtf http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92641#p92641 22:35 Uberi|AoS well you heard the man 22:36 kaeza well, I don't even know what that thing is 22:36 kaeza ASCII art phail 22:38 Uberi|AoS hmm let's assume my timing numbers that I made up are correct 22:49 sweetbomber "ASCII art phail" x2 22:49 sweetbomber "Well, let me register in some random forum, and post some random stuff" 22:50 sweetbomber its his first post... 22:50 Uberi|AoS maybe it's a lonely astronaut 22:50 Uberi|AoS maybe it's the Lost Cosmonauts 23:14 Uberi|AoS hey MinetestBot get to work 23:14 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Block queue doesn't lag anymore on slow operations like digging and placing nodes, better and more efficient //fixlight. f952ee4740 2013-05-30T16:13:21-07:00 http://git.io/9VVsgw 23:14 Uberi|AoS that's more like it 23:29 Uberi|AoS hey harrison_ 23:34 sweetbomber i noticed the option "mgindev_float_islands". are there floating islands being generated right now? 23:35 Uberi only if enabled 23:35 sweetbomber curious to see the result :D 23:36 sweetbomber thats an awesome feature! 23:36 VanessaE at what elevation are they generated? 23:36 Uberi it's pretty great yeah 23:36 Uberi I think that's configurable 23:36 VanessaE eh, no matter, justrealized that's for indev 23:37 sweetbomber by default it is set to 500 23:40 sweetbomber btw, installed your game, vanessa (the first "game" besides minimal I ever installed, btw) and I heard you have a server, is it whitelisted? 23:40 VanessaE indeed I have, and it is. 23:40 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz:30000 23:40 VanessaE whitelisted, node_ownership, rollback, and a real bitch of an admin :) 23:42 VanessaE (and even with all that, people *still* grief everyso often) 23:43 sweetbomber eheh 23:43 Uberi they come from beyond this mortal realm 23:43 sweetbomber its a shame that people still grief, tough 23:43 VanessaE yeah, zombies. :) 23:43 Uberi they feel no fear, no shame 23:43 Uberi they are... the griefers 23:44 sweetbomber its a creative server, i presume 23:44 VanessaE yep 23:44 sweetbomber altough i see it has some farming plugins 23:44 VanessaE yep, it has 23:44 Uberi isn't farming built in now? 23:45 VanessaE yep, my game has farming_plus 23:45 * VanessaE grumbles at the C++ mapper. stupid thing can't handle reading from a world that's actually active. 23:45 sweetbomber i really think minetest has loads of potential 23:46 sweetbomber one of the ideas i have is to develop an AI engine, but not for mobs 23:46 Uberi VanessaE: that's partially sqlite's fault for locking it down so tight 23:47 sweetbomber imagine that we program bots to strive in the game just like regular players 23:47 PilzAdam kaeza, my WE++ mod is just a proof of concept 23:47 sweetbomber crafting and looking for food atc... 23:47 VanessaE Uberi: yeah but the python mapper has no trouble there? 23:47 PilzAdam its the first mod that uses a queue to perform the commands in on_globalstep() 23:47 Uberi VanessaE: well...uh...look over there! 23:47 * Uberi walks away 23:48 VanessaE lol 23:48 VanessaE too bad the C++ one is unmaintained now 23:48 VanessaE its dozens of times faster than the python one 23:48 Uberi PilzAdam: are you planning to continue developing it? 23:48 PilzAdam not really, since the regular WE has it too 23:48 Uberi eh fair enough 23:48 PilzAdam I just like to use mine because of the commands 23:49 Uberi it's a great proof of concept btw 23:49 PilzAdam btw: diablo 2 is epic 23:50 PilzAdam a 1080p resolution looks so weird when you played 800x600 for hours 23:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, sheep dissapearing bug fixed, update 23:55 VanessaE ok 23:55 PilzAdam why havent anyone told me that it didnt work at all? 23:55 PilzAdam I thought it was just some super rare case that is horrible to find 23:56 VanessaE I don't try to herd them, so I didn't noticed it 23:56 Uberi I thought they went to the local pub for a quick refresher 23:57 * PilzAdam increases the "typo in simple mobs commit log" counter by 1 23:57 VanessaE -d 23:58 sokomine yes, typos are maliscious. we might have them as further mobs :-) 23:58 sokomine would be better than poor sand monsters who havn't done a thing :-) 23:59 Uberi oh my goodness 23:59 Uberi that is the best idea I've heard in a while 23:59 sokomine :-) 23:59 Uberi "the wild typo is a common beast found in all biomes..." 23:59 * sokomine nods 23:59 sokomine they 23:59 Uberi "...slowly takes over communications channels and introduces various errors" 23:59 sokomine they're very dangerous and need to be eliminated at all costs! hunt the typos! :-)