Time  Nick             Message
00:06 PilzAdam         bye
00:11 Exio             https://xkcd.com/624/ hahahahaha
00:11 Exio             i never saw it ^
00:12 Kacey            haha thats funny
00:13 Kacey            bbiab
00:25 Exio             kaeza: https://xkcd.com/138/
00:27 kaeza            Exio, lol
00:29 kaeza            You have eaten 17356723 candies! :O
00:30 kaeza            also, fuck http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91087#p91087
00:58 MinerOfLand      kaeza thats not nice of you :D
01:21 VanessaE         kaeza: merged.
01:22 kaeza            testing
01:22 VanessaE         server
01:22 VanessaE         server's got it now, too
01:26 Kacey            afk
01:29 kaeza            VanessaE, seems to work
01:29 kaeza            lol nope
01:29 VanessaE         you bwoke it! :'(
01:30 kaeza            but I can edit it...
01:30 VanessaE         nop0e
01:30 VanessaE         nope*
01:30 VanessaE         your text doesn't stay either
01:31 VanessaE         oh sure, now it showed up
01:31 VanessaE         you sure you didn't invert the sense of the ownership check? :)
01:31 kaeza            interesting...
01:32 VanessaE         I can place and edit a yard sign, but not the one on the post.
01:32 VanessaE         neither can I edit the one over here -->
01:32 VanessaE         (the South St. signpost)
01:33 kaeza            it tells me that you own the spot, but lets me edit it anyway
01:33 VanessaE         meanwhile, it says nothing at all and doesn't let me edit it
01:33 VanessaE         at least, not the one on the post.
01:34 kaeza            bleh
01:34 kaeza            inverted condition >.<
01:34 VanessaE         thought so
01:34 VanessaE         derp :)
01:35 kaeza            here: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/signs_lib.lua#L444
01:35 kaeza            should be if ... then, not "if not ... then"
01:36 VanessaE         ok
01:36 VanessaE         pushed to the server.
01:36 VanessaE         let's see what this affects :)
01:36 VanessaE         ( s/affects/breaks/  ;-)  )
01:37 kaeza            nothing I guess
01:37 VanessaE         that's got it.
01:37 VanessaE         sign in, see if you cna break it ;)
01:37 kaeza            it just executes whatever you write in the signs as a shell command
01:37 VanessaE         heh
01:37 * kaeza          writes rm -fr ~/*
01:38 kaeza            :D
01:39 OldCoder         That seems risky
01:39 VanessaE         heh
01:40 VanessaE         OldCoder: it's a joke
01:40 OldCoder         Ah
01:41 jojoa1997        hi  guys
01:42 kaeza            <Calinou> hello table user
01:42 kaeza            derp
01:42 kaeza            tablet*
01:42 jojoa1997        yes i use a table for my pc
01:42 kaeza            :D
01:42 jojoa1997        also i am using my pc
01:44 jojoa1997        so how is life
01:44 kaeza            I'm experiencing some problems with the new animated wielditem
01:44 khonkhortisan    tablet | table | cable
01:44 jojoa1997        is there a build?
01:44 kaeza            it sometimes disappears for no reason until i switch to another item
01:44 VanessaE         kaeza: I've seen that too
01:45 jojoa1997        i have no idea what you are talking about
01:45 jojoa1997        though i do have good news
01:45 jojoa1997        SUMMER!!!
01:46 Kacey            12 more days for me
01:46 kaeza            jojoa1997, nope
01:46 kaeza            winter :/
01:46 VanessaE         jojoa1997: so does that mean you can do minetest stuff on your PC now?
01:46 jojoa1997        Kacey what grade
01:46 jojoa1997        um let me explain
01:46 jojoa1997        first you cant block minetest
01:47 jojoa1997        i cant go online for a bunch of stuff :/
01:47 jojoa1997        but
01:47 jojoa1997        this isnt in the programs list so it is safe hexchat
01:47 jojoa1997        and i am not developing minitest right now due to school
01:47 jojoa1997        so any questions CHILDREN
01:48 VanessaE         I thought you just said it was summertime?  as in no more school by now I'd have thought?
01:49 jojoa1997        nope but summer is soon
01:49 VanessaE         kaeza: try again :D
01:49 kaeza            VanessaE, I can edit uard signs
01:49 kaeza            yard*
01:50 VanessaE         yep
01:50 VanessaE         but not the ones on the posts?
01:50 jojoa1997        kaeza is in south hemi so it is winter there
01:50 kaeza            but I can't the fence ones
01:50 VanessaE         ok, that's a start
01:50 * jojoa1997      realizes why birds migrate now
01:50 VanessaE         jojoa1997: it should be autumn for him.
01:52 kaeza            VanessaE, copy that line you just edited and put it before this one: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/signs_lib.lua#L236
01:53 VanessaE         done.  on the server.
01:53 kaeza            also: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91101#p91101
01:54 jojoa1997        VanessaE i want my npcs back
01:54 jojoa1997        jki
01:54 VanessaE         kaeza: nuked. :)
01:54 jojoa1997        minetest should keep a list of names and
01:54 kaeza            thanks :)
01:54 jojoa1997        when a mod is removed and not aliases they will be removed
01:55 VanessaE         jojoa1997: fix them so they spawn *and die* at a decent rate and get rid of those spawner objects.
01:55 kaeza            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91089#p91089
01:55 kaeza            "update the java" O.o
01:56 jojoa1997        -.-
01:57 VanessaE         kaeza: I think the next thing to do is fix that damn text alignment bug
01:58 VanessaE         (probably just a minor error in the size of the entity)
01:59 * kaeza          writes "lol nope" on the yard sign -> "sorry, VanessaEzekowitz owns that spot"
01:59 VanessaE         excellent.
02:00 VanessaE         pushed to git
02:00 * jojoa1997      hacks into VanessaE's computer
02:00 * jojoa1997      relizes that he doesnt know what os she has
02:00 * kaeza          's wielditem keeps disappearing :<
02:00 jojoa1997        mine isnt
02:01 jojoa1997        but i have old one
02:01 VanessaE         jojoa1997: your build is too old
02:01 VanessaE         it's a new feature, the wield item bobs in/out when you switch items in your hotbar.
02:01 jojoa1997        i know
02:01 kaeza            your build is sooooo two days ago
02:01 jojoa1997        YAY!
02:01 VanessaE         two days!?  LUDDITE!
02:01 VanessaE         :D
02:01 kaeza            :D
02:01 jojoa1997        more like 10
02:02 VanessaE         if it's more than 6 hours old, you may as well be using 0.3.x
02:02 VanessaE         :D
02:02 kaeza            latest bugs ftw!
02:02 jojoa1997        what happens when nothing new is added for 2 days
02:02 jojoa1997        ftw?
02:02 VanessaE         for the win
02:03 jojoa1997        kaeza what were you holding... oh wait you cant see it
02:03 jojoa1997        so when will lua become the onl code in minetest?
02:03 jojoa1997        *only
02:04 kaeza            related: http://www.webmaster-talk.com/general-discussions/169-programmers-drinking-song.html
02:04 jojoa1997        so any new texture packs or what is the best new thing besides the weilditem
02:05 * jojoa1997      chirp chirp chirp
02:06 * jojoa1997      puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
02:06 * VanessaE       puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile.
02:07 * jojoa1997      jumps in OldCoder's pile
02:07 OldCoder         VanessaE, I will find a way to feed them
02:07 OldCoder         And jojoa1997
02:07 jojoa1997        :-D
02:07 jojoa1997        jjust give me dog food
02:07 * jojoa1997      woof woof
02:08 jojoa1997        OldCoder would you throw them out once they become old and not so FLUFFY
02:19 VanessaE         now now, no one throws out a kitten if I have anything to say about it
02:19 * jojoa1997      throws out VanessaE
02:20 jojoa1997        -.-
02:22 VanessaE         :D
02:23 jojoa1997        hahaha i will never do my homework
02:23 VanessaE         kaeza: thanks again for the code
02:27 kaeza            VanessaE, anytime
02:27 * jojoa1997      is away: Doing homework
02:27 VanessaE         kaeza: what's next on the agenda? :)
02:27 jojoa1997        happy
02:28 kaeza            the text alignment bug?
02:28 kaeza            more sleep?
02:28 kaeza            who knows...
02:28 jojoa1997        i need sleep
02:30 VanessaE         heh
02:34 jojoa1997        how do i un away
02:35 * jojoa1997      is back (gone 00:08:18)
03:26 OldCoder         mrtux_, wb
03:49 drizz            VanessaE: you there?
03:49 VanessaE         yeah
03:49 VanessaE         for a few more mins
03:49 drizz            thought you'd like to know, I found the culprit
03:49 VanessaE         oh?
03:49 drizz            it's rarkenin
03:49 drizz            https://github.com/rarkenin
03:50 VanessaE         why am I not surprised.
03:50 VanessaE         but how do you know it's him?
03:50 drizz            you know who he is?
03:50 drizz            the host machine is his
03:51 VanessaE         yeah, he comes here from time to time, pretty sure I've seen him on the forums too
03:51 drizz            657 posts on the forum O.o
03:51 VanessaE         well that IP's firewalled off on my server.
03:52 drizz            mk@pyre ~ % dig +short rarkenindyn.mooo.com
03:52 drizz            71.164.76.159
03:52 VanessaE         https://twitter.com/rarkenin
03:53 VanessaE         he was another ragequitter, figures.
03:54 VanessaE         "Gone forever", yet his last visit was yesterday.
03:54 drizz            gg
03:56 NakedFury        quitters that post dramatic posts just to say goodbye suck
03:57 VanessaE         yes
03:57 NakedFury        uif you wanna leave them do so
03:57 drizz            quitters that attack servers suck even more
03:57 NakedFury        yeah
03:57 NakedFury        thats why I hate the internet, such lame design that hacking and attacking others is easy
04:17 VanessaE         bbl
05:50 sfan5            hello
07:22 Calinou          hi
07:22 * Calinou        got their new headset
08:58 electron_        where can i find the todo list ?
08:59 electron_        ?
08:59 Calinou          http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
08:59 Calinou          http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
08:59 Calinou          also check the changelog
08:59 electron_        cool thanks !
09:09 kaeza            Calinou, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91113#p91113
09:11 kaeza            time to get some sleep
09:11 kaeza            night all
10:27 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
10:55 Exio             hi PilzAdam
10:55 Exio             how is your renewable lava going? :D
11:10 * arsdragonfly   needs a .po editor that works on utf-8
11:18 VanessaE         good morning
11:18 Calinou          hi
11:19 * Calinou        enables sound in minetest
11:20 * Calinou        disables it again
11:31 PilzAdam         cool, you can craft all 15 dyes with the flowers
11:38 VanessaE         yup, and 75 more with UD.
11:40 PilzAdam         VanessaE, everyone waits for you to finish the texutres :-p
11:40 VanessaE         I just got up 20 mins ago :P
11:42 BlockMen         hi
11:45 PilzAdam         VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91126#p91126 -> offtopic
11:45 VanessaE         PilzAdam: trash,
11:55 jin_xi           hey guys why not use the report button instead of posting soon to be dead links?
11:55 VanessaE         jin_xi: same effect.
11:56 jin_xi           well, no need to put this stuff here, it happens many times
11:56 PilzAdam         you can also make /me a moderator
12:08 VanessaE         PilzAdam: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/farming-textures.zip
12:08 VanessaE         only one I left out was cotton, because I'm simply not sure how to make it look right across 8 states.
12:10 VanessaE         (recommend you add an alias for flowers_plus cotton plants when it goes into minetest_game)
12:17 jin_xi           hmm, can someone help me with a git question?
12:18 VanessaE         what?
12:18 jin_xi           i have this branch, now how do i get it atop current commit?
12:18 jin_xi           https://github.com/obneq/minetest/tree/turtle
12:20 jin_xi           i wanna try and combine path finding and turtle to make streets and such.
12:21 VanessaE         you mean to just merge the two together and dump it all on master?
12:22 VanessaE         you should be able to just,  git checkout master; git merge turtle
12:22 * jin_xi         tries
12:23 VanessaE         if it works the way you want, delete the turtle branch and propagate your changes to your repo.
12:24 jin_xi           my branch is 2 months old... so can i pull after i checkout master?
12:25 jin_xi           i mean from minetest/minetest
12:25 * jin_xi         likes git hates to use it
12:26 PilzAdam         VanessaE, looks too dry
12:27 VanessaE         PilzAdam: wait, the young wheat should be greenish anyway shouldn't it?
12:27 PilzAdam         yes
12:27 VanessaE         the golden wheat is the correct color (this is what it looks like where I grew up)
12:27 VanessaE         ok, I'll adjust the tint
12:28 PilzAdam         and make the top of the full grown a bit more different (brighter?) than the bottom part
12:28 VanessaE         I already did
12:28 VanessaE         but I'll contrast it further.
12:30 * Calinou        gets an error when compiling minetest: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686780/
12:30 Calinou          :(
12:30 Calinou          mmm, I installedl ibsm-dev
12:30 Calinou          libsm-dev*
12:30 Calinou          works
12:30 PilzAdam         VanessaE, I like the seeds
12:31 PilzAdam         but adjust the color of the wheat seeds to the new wheat textures
12:32 VanessaE         those are the correct colors also :)
12:32 Calinou          suggestion: add a /clearinventory command to clear all inventory
12:33 Calinou          it's very annoying to have to pulverize all items by hand
12:33 VanessaE         Calinou: unified inventory has this.
12:34 Calinou          I mean, in the default game
12:34 VanessaE         PilzAdam: re-download the zip.
12:40 VanessaE         PilzAdam: better?
12:50 jin_xi           hmm, so mods now go just into mods for runinplace?
12:52 kahrl            yes
12:52 jin_xi           ok, thanks
12:53 VanessaE         PilzAdam: working on the cotton now.
12:55 PilzAdam         VanessaE, I just cant find a good color for the full grown wheat
12:56 PilzAdam         VanessaE, it should be something like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qak63l4i65uh80r/farming_wheat.png
12:57 VanessaE         PilzAdam: I'll work on it, but wheat really isn't that dark.  I gew up in the US Midwest, the bread-basket of the world just about :)
12:57 VanessaE         grew*
12:57 Calinou          should be brighter, yeah
12:57 MinetestBot      GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Log non-fatal mod name conflict to actionstream instead of errorstream 4a9fe1a1d5 2013-05-21T05:56:43-07:00 http://git.io/6a6MZw
12:57 VanessaE         to the point that the local college football (I think, might have been basketball) was called the Wheat Shockers :)
12:57 PilzAdam         I guess the license is WTFPL?
12:58 VanessaE         yeah
12:58 VanessaE         but I'm not done yet
12:58 PilzAdam         VanessaE, do you want the code to test it in-game?
12:58 VanessaE         sure, but let me finish the textures first :)
12:58 PilzAdam         I mean to test the textures
13:03 VanessaE         PilzAdam: re-download the zip again.  darkened the mature wheat a little more.  Added cotton textures.
13:03 VanessaE         I'll take that code now
13:04 VanessaE         PilzAdam: for some of this stuff, especially wheat, you should consider using four 2d nodeboxes instead of the plantlike draw type
13:04 VanessaE         (to make it look similar to what MC does)
13:05 jin_xi           hmm strange thing: my wielded tool disappears from time to time when the game is paused, then it appears again
13:05 * jin_xi         haz a quantum stick
13:06 VanessaE         jin_xi: that happens to kaeza and I also.
13:06 VanessaE         it'll also happen if the client's rendering load gets too high
13:06 VanessaE         (try turning on 'r' full view range()
13:07 jin_xi           is that new? never seen it before
13:07 VanessaE         it's new, started at the same time that the hotbar-switch animation went in
13:07 VanessaE         or for me it did anyway
13:09 jin_xi           VanessaE: we could make a l-system nodebox drawtype for good looking plants
13:10 * jin_xi         hides
13:10 VanessaE         PilzAdam: you can use the wad of cotton texture from flowers_plus for the harvested cotton if you want, it's wtfpl also.
13:10 VanessaE         jin_xi: you, sir, are evil.
13:10 VanessaE         do it.
13:10 VanessaE         :D
13:10 PilzAdam         VanessaE, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commits/farming
13:10 PilzAdam         the wheat should be more yellow-ish
13:10 sfan5            !c 468 + 15
13:10 MinetestBot      483
13:11 PilzAdam         VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91128#p91128
13:12 PilzAdam         and why is LM unbanned?
13:12 VanessaE         PilzAdam: trashed.  Also, re-download the zip again, made the mature wheat slightly more yellowish.
13:12 VanessaE         his ban was set to expire after 10 days.
13:13 VanessaE         also, I recommend leaving the flour near the center of the image, so it doesn't obscure the stack count.
13:15 PilzAdam         the wheat still looks too "dry" in all growing states
13:15 PilzAdam         https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/MeschedeKlauseGetreidefeld.jpg
13:15 PilzAdam         ^ this should be posssible in MT
13:16 VanessaE         PilzAdam: wheat is supposed to be dry. :)
13:16 VanessaE         as for that screenshot...well...we'll see what I can do with HDX ;)
13:16 PilzAdam         well, your textures look "dead dry"
13:17 PilzAdam         while normal, living wheat is just "dry"
13:17 VanessaE         they are colored exactly as mature wheat
13:19 VanessaE         what needs done?  can't exactly make them look less "dead" without making them basically too green
13:19 VanessaE         not at 16 px anyway
13:20 iqualfragile     oh, farming is in default now
13:20 VanessaE         it's about to be
13:21 * jin_xi         makes a lollipop farm
13:22 PilzAdam         VanessaE, well, I guess youre textures are good
13:22 VanessaE         PilzAdam:  Germany-->  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/A_field_of_wheat.JPG
13:22 VanessaE         :)
13:22 PilzAdam         Im just used to other textures
13:22 VanessaE         no prob
13:22 VanessaE         corn is gonna be tricky, to make it look truly correct, you'll need to grow it to 2m high.
13:23 BlockMen         Meschede? Ist ja schön Pampa
13:24 VanessaE         (texturing it won't be hard at all though)
13:25 iqualfragile     absolut, aber irgendwo muss das futter herkommen^^
13:25 PilzAdam         https://www.dropbox.com/s/jl0wte069wbi4py/Farming.png
13:26 PilzAdam         VanessaE, where is that harvested wheat item you were talking about?
13:26 VanessaE         jin_xi: you wanna be really evil?  write a mod for minetest that re-implements that damn candies game everyone's playing, into minetest :D
13:26 VanessaE         PilzAdam: er.. what harvested wheat?
13:26 jin_xi           VanessaE: good idea
13:27 PilzAdam         oh, that was cotton
13:27 VanessaE         screenshot looks good.
13:27 PilzAdam         I also changed flour recipe so you need 4 wheat
13:27 VanessaE         cotton -> https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/master/flowers_plus/textures/flowers_cotton_wad.png
13:28 VanessaE         PilzAdam: that seems like too much farmland for such a small amount of water
13:28 VanessaE         I'd say more like a three-node radius would be better
13:28 PilzAdam         ok
13:29 PilzAdam         VanessaE, can you recolor this to fit your other textures? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/blob/farming/mods/farming/textures/farming_wheat.png
13:29 VanessaE         sure
13:30 PilzAdam         also, do people want mese/diamond/copper hoes?
13:30 VanessaE         naw
13:30 PilzAdam         good
13:31 webdesigner97    Hi @ all!
13:31 webdesigner97    Does anybody have experience with Nitrado.net?
13:33 PilzAdam         well, Ill add the bronze hoe
13:35 BlockMen         diamond hoe, +1
13:35 rubenwardy       Hi all
13:35 BlockMen         hello
13:36 BlockMen         iqualfragile, wird doch eh importiert :P
13:37 PilzAdam         warum eigentlich #minetest-de wenn wir hier deutsch reden ;-)
13:38 VanessaE         PilzAdam: mind if I just re-draw it?
13:38 VanessaE         this thing is a mess
13:38 webdesigner97    hi ruben!
13:38 jin_xi           geometric obscenities/papercut http://i.imgur.com/zGX6FhO.png
13:38 BlockMen         PilzAdam, hättest du das nicht auf #minetest-de posten müssen?
13:38 PilzAdam         VanessaE, just make it good looking
13:38 VanessaE         ok
13:38 rubenwardy|revis damn
13:39 ruben|revising   Hiya wd97
13:45 VanessaE         PilzAdam, try this out:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/farming_wheat.png
13:45 ruben|revising   nice
13:46 PilzAdam         aweseom!
13:46 PilzAdam         *awesome
13:46 VanessaE         :D
13:47 PilzAdam         ok, final branch: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commits/farming
13:48 VanessaE         PilzAdam: add an alias for flowers cotton also, so I can discontinue it
13:49 PilzAdam         gist updated: https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5613541
13:50 VanessaE         (flowers:cotton_plant  -> farming cotton level 8)
13:51 PilzAdam         k
13:52 VanessaE         what happens, btw, to farming plants that get placed onto say grass?
13:52 ruben|revising   PilzAdam, Have any of the item names changed that I would be interested in?
13:52 PilzAdam         VanessaE, you cant
13:52 VanessaE         PilzAdam: suppose a mod did it, I mean
13:52 PilzAdam         ruben|revising, ehm, dunno, I think farming:wheat_harvested -> farming:wheat
13:53 PilzAdam         VanessaE, they just stay there
13:53 VanessaE         PilzAdam: ok
13:53 PilzAdam         should they turn into dry_shrub?
13:53 VanessaE         naw, leave 'em be
13:53 VanessaE         they'r
13:53 VanessaE         they're wild cotton ;)
13:53 PilzAdam         there is no non hacky way to get them there anyway
13:53 VanessaE         or whatever
13:53 ruben|revising   I like the new textures
13:53 ruben|revising   Much better than my ones
13:54 PilzAdam         VanessaE, forced pushed the alias
13:54 VanessaE         that works for me
13:55 VanessaE         actually, wait
13:55 VanessaE         I wonder if maybe that alias belongs in flowers_plus instead.
13:56 PilzAdam         that would be better I guess
13:57 VanessaE         yeha
13:57 VanessaE         yeah.
13:57 VanessaE         delete it from farming, I'll put it in flowers_plus.
13:57 PilzAdam         done
13:57 VanessaE         now, about the cotton wad, what are we doing with it?
13:58 VanessaE         grow cotton, harvest it and we get...?
13:58 PilzAdam         strings are better, they have more uses in other mods
13:58 PilzAdam         (e.g. bows)
13:58 VanessaE         hm
13:58 PilzAdam         dont be to realisic here
13:58 PilzAdam         *too
13:58 VanessaE         I ask because flowers_plus has a recipe to turn cotton wads into wool blocks.
13:58 PilzAdam         alias the wads to strings
13:59 VanessaE         k
14:00 VanessaE         done.
14:01 webdesigner97    When I have a minetest installation which is supposed to be only used for a server, can I remove stuff like "anisotropic_filter" from minetest.conf?
14:01 VanessaE         my update will go through when yours does.
14:02 sfan5            webdesigner97: yes
14:02 webdesigner97    great :)
14:04 arsdragonfly     sfan5 :why is the language string in your i18n mod limited to 2 chars?
14:04 sfan5            arsdragonfly: because I need to reliably parse it using a regex
14:06 * ruben|revising just had a hair cut
14:07 Kacey|mobile     hi guys
14:09 ruben|revising   Added a new graphic style to my game: http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/IndevPlatformer_2.png
14:09 ruben|revising   compared to http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/IndevPlatformer.png
14:09 ruben|revising   the guy is falling
14:10 ruben|revising   still ugly
14:11 arsdragonfly     sfan5:where? I don't see why it needs to be parsed,why not use it directly?
14:11 sfan5            arsdragonfly: actually, you're right
14:11 sfan5            i'll change that
14:13 arsdragonfly     anyway thx for this mod ^_^
14:25 sfan5            arsdragonfly: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91147#p91147
14:29 BlockMen         apple decay -> https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/161
14:29 VanessaE         BlockMen: no.
14:29 VanessaE         apples should not decay - but dropping is okay
14:29 BlockMen         VanessaE, y?
14:29 VanessaE         because people use them for decoration.
14:30 VanessaE         moretrees already provides an option to cause apples to drop, too
14:30 BlockMen         oh..right
14:31 PilzAdam         BlockMen, no
14:31 PilzAdam         not in this way
14:31 BlockMen         on_place(apple) param2 = 1
14:31 BlockMen         then it wont decay
14:32 PilzAdam         I can do this properly later
14:32 PilzAdam         your solution is too hacky
14:33 BlockMen         how is that hacky?
14:33 PilzAdam         why have a special case for "default:apple"?
14:35 BlockMen         ok, then more general. group.fruit?
14:36 webdesigner97    Who can tell me how to set up a mt server on nitrado?
14:36 BlockMen         and this way leaves dont decay either when placed by player -> https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_game/commit/a87b4a8e65ab029407e7e4f962793904a5ee0928
14:38 VanessaE         why are you using param2?  that seems equally hacky
14:39 BlockMen         VanessaE, ->https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L247
14:39 BlockMen         thats why
14:39 VanessaE         make a new field, place_no_decay (default true or 1 or something), compare against that in the decay code.
14:39 VanessaE         hrm
14:40 VanessaE         param2 just seems like the wrong way to do that entirely, that's not really what that parameter is meant for, and that blocks the ability to decay facedir items (think, vines)
14:41 BlockMen         well, i know how hard it is to add small changes. so why should i try great changes then?
14:41 VanessaE         because bigger changes often make it possible to make things be more generic
14:42 BlockMen         well, IMO that is not the way it goes here (although it should be)
14:42 VanessaE         hence, "possible" :P
14:44 BlockMen         a very small "possible"...
14:44 jin_xi           why is it hacky to use param2?
14:45 BlockMen         in general it is because that way facedir-nodes cant be decayed
14:45 BlockMen         *cant decay
14:45 VanessaE         jin_xi: because param2 isn't really intended for that?
14:45 PilzAdam         BlockMen, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/ad8e2685cbbb897924232bbdd8d3ebd7e270a2d9
14:45 VanessaE         adding a feature in one place should not eliminate the ability to use some other feature, even if it's some obscure corner case
14:46 VanessaE         PilzAdam: that looks good.
14:47 PilzAdam         a "build" mod can add the same after_place_node to leaves
14:47 BlockMen         PilzAdam, well. it kinda mine. when you want really improve (more than mine) then change the param2 thing
14:47 webdesigner97    bye all
14:48 PilzAdam         BlockMen, my commit is in a more generic way and also sets the param2 for apples only, not for all leafdecay nodes
14:49 BlockMen         ah, right. so its not an improvement
14:49 BlockMen         (the leave thing)
14:49 PilzAdam         fruits of other mods can use the leafdecay_drop group in my version, while in your version only apples will always drop
14:50 BlockMen         "[16:38] BlockMen: ok, then more general. group.fruit?"
14:50 BlockMen         so i was goin to change it anyway...
14:50 PilzAdam         also, not decaying of player placed leaves in minetest_game is not wanted
14:50 PilzAdam         as I said, a "build" game can do this
14:51 BlockMen         the build game is dropped?
14:51 PilzAdam         *mod
14:52 VanessaE         PilzAdam: right, any random mod could just redefine leaves not to decay if it's that important.
14:53 BlockMen         well, that the same thing like with the snow
14:53 BlockMen         why should a player place leaves if he doesnt want it to stay??
14:54 VanessaE         PilzAdam: that reminds me, what is the plan for those snow nodes anyway?  strictly indev/v7, or ...?
14:55 PilzAdam         VanessaE, dunno, hmmmm asked me to add them
14:55 PilzAdam         BlockMen, they will stay if they are near a tree node
14:55 VanessaE         ok, no prob, I just wondered
14:55 VanessaE         guess SPlizard will need to update his snow biomes mod ;-)
14:56 BlockMen         thats just caused by the decay code. when i want make a hedge for exampe..impossible
14:56 BlockMen         and furthermore it was no answer to my question!
14:57 PilzAdam         BlockMen, well, if you want build with leaves then you have to make sure that enough tree nodes are nearby
14:57 VanessaE         BlockMen: bury a line of tree trunks 1m underground, dirt with grass above it, and leaves on top of that.
14:57 VanessaE         leaf decay code is what, 3m radius or some such?
14:57 BlockMen         well, THAT is hacky...
14:57 PilzAdam         the leave can define it as the group rating
14:57 BlockMen         and it should be possible for player just to place leaves
14:58 PilzAdam         BlockMen, by definition only code can be hacky
14:58 BlockMen         else they would place them
14:58 PilzAdam         VanessaE, its 3m for default:leaves
14:58 BlockMen         *wouldnt
14:58 VanessaE         right
14:59 BlockMen         sorry, but what you are doin is: "i want it that way, even when i cant really argument why i want it that way"
14:59 PilzAdam         VanessaE, "in-engine" oO
14:59 BlockMen         and that the reason why you dont answer why player placing leaves nodes"
15:00 PilzAdam         (http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91146#p91146)
15:01 PilzAdam         BlockMen, we actually have told you our arguments, re-read the log
15:02 BlockMen         the only "argument" you made was this: "[16:53] PilzAdam: also, not decaying of player placed leaves in minetest_game is not wanted"
15:02 PilzAdam         that is not an argument
15:02 BlockMen         right
15:02 PilzAdam         <PilzAdam> BlockMen, well, if you want build with leaves then you have to make sure that enough tree nodes are nearby
15:02 VanessaE         PilzAdam: sure, in-engine as in it's part of the C++ code and is guaranteed to be far faster than generating the same size tree entirely with Lua.
15:03 PilzAdam         VanessaE, "in-engine" doesnt sound like a valid english word
15:03 VanessaE         PilzAdam: it is.  hyphenated phrases are formed from any two words that, if used separately, wouldn't make sense.
15:04 VanessaE         PilzAdam: "this is in-engine code" != "this is in code" != "this is engine code"
15:04 BlockMen         ok, that an argument. but still no answer to "why do player place leave nodes"
15:05 BlockMen         and if you answer that you will see, that you make it unnecessary hard for players
15:05 PilzAdam         1) they place it near a tree node to build something 2) they want the sapling to drop 3) they are dumb
15:07 BlockMen         1) would be easier without decay when placed by player 2) you can get sapplings too when digging (no decaying node) 3) seriously?
15:07 BlockMen         *no = not
15:07 PilzAdam         you make the game too easy
15:07 PilzAdam         an easy game is boring
15:07 PilzAdam         thats the reasony why you dont get infinite diamonds when starting the game
15:08 BlockMen         what? to easy? ok, why can i dig tree logs with bare hands then?
15:08 BlockMen         why is water infinite?
15:08 VanessaE         because you didn't set it to be finite?
15:09 VanessaE         (Settings tab, "finite liquid")
15:09 BlockMen         ok, infinite water was bad example
15:09 PilzAdam         BlockMen, because the game shouldnt be too hard either
15:11 BlockMen         but beside that, how is it more easy when you have to dig the node before you get the sapling?
15:11 BlockMen         IMO it is "harder"
16:16 PilzAdam         awww, github, come on
16:16 PilzAdam         https://status.github.com/messages
16:25 PilzAdam         john_minetest, voted
16:26 markveidemanis   ,e too
16:26 markveidemanis   me too
16:27 markveidemanis   CHUCK NORRIS
16:27 PilzAdam         "We're seeing degraded network performance" https://status.github.com/messages <- You dont say
16:37 rubenwardy       Added bouncy blocks to my game :P
16:43 rubenwardy       There is barely anything in the game, and it runs at 20 FPS.
16:46 Calinou          does it have hats?
16:46 Calinou          can it run crysis?
16:50 PilzAdam         john_minetest, there is only one person that can vote "yes" there
16:50 rubenwardy       That was me
16:51 PilzAdam         nope.avi
16:51 PilzAdam         john_minetest, he read the internet 2 times
16:53 MinetestBot      GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add farming mod 5d11a34b04 2013-05-21T09:53:10-07:00 http://git.io/L5Jzlw
16:53 MinetestBot      GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Let apples fall when the tree is decaying 0dd813b5f8 2013-05-21T09:50:39-07:00 http://git.io/ebEoSA
17:05 Calinou          \o/ farming mod
17:05 Calinou          there are plantlike entities now?
17:05 Calinou          or did you use a mesh :P
17:05 Calinou          ah, no mesh
17:05 Calinou          they decay
17:14 rubenwardy       No hats yet, calinou
17:14 rubenwardy       Could add them
17:15 rubenwardy       Easy to do so
17:15 rubenwardy       The head is separate to the body, so I could attach a hat in the same way
17:25 webdesigner97    VE?
17:26 PilzAdam         farming_plus updated
17:58 BlockMen         srsly, PilzAdam -> https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/0dd813b5f8c8583a9ae5121cf1256978a231845a ?
17:59 BlockMen         have you even tested the code before commiting?
17:59 BlockMen         i guess not!
17:59 PilzAdam         yes
17:59 BlockMen         well, then i dont understand why you added it
18:00 PilzAdam         what doesnt work?
18:00 BlockMen         its crap...the apple fall whole time even when the tree gone
18:01 BlockMen         no, they fall when the tree is still there, genius. that because PilzAdam defined leafdecay = 1
18:01 PilzAdam         oh
18:02 BlockMen         what you decribe is at leafdecay=3, like in my code
18:03 PilzAdam         fixed
18:03 BlockMen         PilzAdam, and thanks for proving me that you do exactly what i mentioned a few hours ago
18:03 MinetestBot      GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Fix a typo in apple decaying 8dd2a77ff1 2013-05-21T11:02:47-07:00 http://git.io/pDMuXg
18:04 PilzAdam         this isnt a decision in the leafdecay discussion
18:04 BlockMen         well, the dicussion was about the leafdecay in general
18:04 BlockMen         including apples, leaves and param2
18:05 BlockMen         but noo, it must be the PilzAdam way...
18:05 PilzAdam         it was about not decaying placed leaves
18:05 PilzAdam         and I see not how the commit touches that part
18:05 BlockMen         well, why adding it NOW then?
18:06 PilzAdam         ehm....
18:06 PilzAdam         why shouldnt I push one thing if a discussion about a completly different thing is going on?
18:07 BlockMen         again...the discussion was about changing the decay in general (because of param2) too
18:07 BlockMen         so there was no "different thing"
18:18 MinetestBot      GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Fix disappearing of wielditem 7f6e9e9540 2013-05-21T11:16:22-07:00 http://git.io/fFrCQw
18:20 BlockMen         PilzAdam, what you do is to show all people: "only my stuff is great". but you know what...fuck you...continue your Pilz thing, idc anymore
18:20 BlockMen         i still think that a project like this needs a core team that decides "what", "where" and "why".
18:20 BlockMen         but it is a different thing to have core devs who give the whole project a direction or having dictators who think only their own stuff is good!
18:21 PilzAdam         wut?
18:21 PilzAdam         I just pushed that part that everyone agrees on
18:22 PilzAdam         and you complain about that?
18:23 BlockMen         yes, i complain that you push that now and not waiting until the discussion is finished
18:23 need             just download and extracted. when i run minetest.exe it instantly crashes..
18:23 need             help plizz?
18:24 PilzAdam         BlockMen, there was no discussion about decaying of apples; everyone agreed that they should
18:24 Mati^1           hi
18:25 BlockMen         PilzAdam, you dont get the point or dont want get the point.
18:27 BlockMen         it is always said: "you want a feature, code it" when i code it and bring it up to discussion then i dont have to change the code and it get pushed, no then come PilzAdam and makes his own code and pushed that
18:27 BlockMen         tell me, why should ppl contribute then?
18:28 BlockMen         *chance to change
18:28 * VanessaE       is back
18:29 PilzAdam         BlockMen, the version of your code I saw first was definetly the wrong of doing it (also you have changed it later)
18:30 PilzAdam         but instead of just fixing your you implement a new features and placed everything into one commit
18:31 PilzAdam         so you basically used the apple decaying feature to get your not decaying of placed leaves feature in
18:31 BlockMen         WHAT? are you kidding? the only difference was "default:apple" instead of a class, but i came also up with that idea before you made your code and the leaves thing
18:31 PilzAdam         I wanst talking about my code at all
18:31 PilzAdam         *wasnt
18:32 BlockMen         and then the discussion started about the leaves which wasnt finished so it was no need to push it (your code) now
18:33 PilzAdam         decaying apples and the leaves thing are different features, you are mixing them up
18:33 BlockMen         so, when it would have be clear that the feature would be added, i would have deleted the leaves thing
18:34 BlockMen         but it was nothing decided yet
18:34 PilzAdam         so you want the apple thing to wait for a different feature discussion?
18:35 BlockMen         you are mixing the thing completly up. the leaves where includes because i used the existing structure of the decay
18:35 BlockMen         if there would have been an DECISSION that the apples (only) would be added i would have changed ofc
18:36 BlockMen         but there was no decission
18:36 PilzAdam         so your answer is "yes"?
18:36 BlockMen         no! and the point is....you make it impossible to contribute!
18:37 BlockMen         *sry yes
18:37 BlockMen         like it is always done. for example with the global mods
18:37 RealBadAngel     funny you are talkin bout decayin apples when i can see them decyin for more than a month already on my client ;)
18:38 BlockMen         there was also not a single part (of the whole discussion) pushed
18:38 PilzAdam         you just think that the leaves and apple features are connected somehow, and that is wrong
18:38 BlockMen         and how do you say so nice always : "no changes just for the sake of changes"?
18:39 BlockMen         they are: apple use decay, leaves use decay
18:40 BlockMen         and the decay must be rework generally...so there was NO reason for pushing it now
18:40 PilzAdam         as you have said, there was no decision about the reworking of the whole leafdecay
18:41 BlockMen         or of pushing your apple decay (except your decission, great dictator Pilz)
18:41 BlockMen         Heil Pilz!
18:42 PilzAdam         there actually was a decision that apples should decay
18:42 BlockMen         of whom?
18:42 BlockMen         and why havent you added it long before?
18:42 PilzAdam         a forum thread, you and me
18:42 BlockMen         lol, since when i can decide something?
18:46 VanessaE         jeez, I walked into yet another nice argument
18:47 VanessaE         New build: 7f6e9e95[...]
18:47 PilzAdam         VanessaE, does anyone actually use your builds?
18:47 drizz            anything new from rarkenin?
18:47 VanessaE         PilzAdam: a few people do
18:47 VanessaE         besides, it's trivial for me to post them, since I use a script to automate the whole thing for my own usage anyway
18:48 VanessaE         so posting the packages is almost a side effect. :)
18:49 VanessaE         PilzAdam: imho, apples shouldn't decay.
18:50 PilzAdam         you want them to fly in the sky?
18:50 VanessaE         some people use them for decorations, like placing them on a table or so.
18:50 VanessaE         now if they drop, that's perfectly fine
18:50 PilzAdam         they dont decay if the are placed by players
18:50 VanessaE         ok
18:51 BlockMen         PilzAdam, last thing i will say to this topic today is following: you have two option: 1) let people contribute(ofc in consultation with core dev) [and dont say i didnt] or 2) stop ppl telling they could contribute
18:51 drizz            imagine if rarkenin had made the bot move rapidly
18:51 BlockMen         what you doin is spitting in face of ppl
18:51 BlockMen         *do
18:52 VanessaE         shit
18:52 VanessaE         PilzAdam: error - farming_plus can't use the new default farming mod.
18:52 VanessaE         14:52:09: ERROR[main]: ....minetest/games/vanessae_game/mods/farming_plus/init.lua:11: attempt to index global 'farming' (a nil value)
18:52 PilzAdam         VanessaE, have you the update for farming_plus?
18:53 VanessaE         ah, no I forgot to pull that.
18:53 Calinou          hi
18:54 VanessaE         there we go, that's got it.
18:55 VanessaE         whoa, lots of unknown blocks all over though
18:56 PilzAdam         what blocks?
18:56 VanessaE         trying to find out now but the server doesn't bother to tell me
18:57 VanessaE         they're just re-appearing when dug
18:57 PilzAdam         your server?
18:57 VanessaE         uep
18:57 VanessaE         yep*
18:57 * PilzAdam       connects
19:04 VanessaE         I notice wheat seems to be conspicuously missing from this particular farm I'm looking at
19:05 PilzAdam         ok, I guess that is farming:wheat
19:05 VanessaE         thought so, but why I can't I remove them?
19:05 PilzAdam         it was the full grown old wheat, but now its a craftitem
19:05 VanessaE         ah
19:05 PilzAdam         so, admin pick I guess
19:05 VanessaE         admin pick doesn't help either.
19:05 RealBadAngel     tnt!
19:06 RealBadAngel     use tnt
19:06 PilzAdam         and place farming:wheat_8 there
19:06 PilzAdam         doesnt the admin pick call remove_node?
19:06 VanessaE         suggest you rename the craftitem to something else, e.g. farming:wheat_shock
19:06 VanessaE         (a "shock" of wheat is the common name for a bundle of the stuff)\
19:06 PilzAdam         how about worldedit?
19:07 VanessaE         there are farms all over my map
19:07 PilzAdam         nah, I dont want to screw names up just because of a stupid old farming mod
19:07 VanessaE         no, this needs fixed in the code.
19:07 Calinou          never heard of "wheat shock"
19:07 Calinou          except if that's what you get when you get too much money at the same time
19:07 VanessaE         Calinou: I grew up in the US midwest :)
19:07 Calinou          :-)
19:07 PilzAdam         VanessaE, wait a second
19:07 VanessaE         PilzAdam: waiting.
19:07 Calinou          in french, french for "wheat" is sometimes used for "money" :P
19:09 RealBadAngel     in polish money is sometimes called hay
19:09 VanessaE         RealBadAngel: here too.
19:09 VanessaE         rarely.
19:09 PilzAdam         VanessaE, redownload farming_plus
19:09 VanessaE         ok
19:10 VanessaE         that's got it.
19:10 VanessaE         works fine now.
19:12 PilzAdam         where are all the farms you were talking about?
19:12 VanessaE         PilzAdam: what's with the appearance of farming:wheat_8 and junglegrass in the inventory?  they look scaled?
19:12 VanessaE         they're scattered around
19:13 VanessaE         I know of four for sure
19:13 VanessaE         just don't remember where they are :P
19:13 PilzAdam         I wanna see how people use the farming mod
19:14 VanessaE         big wheat farm over here,
19:18 PilzAdam         VanessaE, why do apples still heal 2 hearts in your server?
19:19 VanessaE         probably because moretrees still redefines them
19:19 VanessaE         I haven't fixed that yet
19:21 PilzAdam         VanessaE, the greenhouses you showed me are effected by the 4 -> 3 water radius change you wanted
19:21 Calinou          they heal more now?
19:21 VanessaE         that's okay, I'm sure MichaelEh can make the necessary tweaks.
19:21 Calinou          or less?
19:21 VanessaE         Calinou: less now (half a heart)
19:21 Calinou          O_o
19:21 PilzAdam         Calinou, less
19:21 Calinou          also, is bread stackable now?
19:21 PilzAdam         breads heal 2 hears now
19:21 PilzAdam         yes
19:22 Calinou          well, if we can suicide-heal it's pointless
19:22 Calinou          0.5 seems to be very little
19:22 jojoa1997        ok what is with the new mod
19:22 Calinou          we'll see
19:22 Calinou          hi tablet user
19:22 Calinou          (a 15 year old one)
19:23 jojoa1997        how come all my modpacks are bunched into one mod
19:23 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, warning: if you keep these away messages on -dev then you will be banned from there
19:23 * jojoa1997      is on a pc
19:23 Calinou          the mod system changed:
19:23 Calinou          put your mods in ~/.minetest/mods
19:23 Calinou          you enable mods by hand for each world, click "Configure", "Enable all", "Save"
19:23 Calinou          then play
19:23 jojoa1997        but that means i cant have mods for seperate gmames
19:24 VanessaE         PilzAdam: well I guess if it's an issue, radius of 4 could be reinstated.
19:24 Calinou          yes you can?
19:24 Calinou          you enable them per-world
19:24 Calinou          that's how it works
19:24 jojoa1997        that is stupid
19:24 PilzAdam         VanessaE, no, 3 is fine
19:24 Calinou          and you can bundle mods with your game
19:24 Calinou          no u
19:24 Calinou          it's probably better than the old way
19:24 jojoa1997        yeah
19:25 PilzAdam         VanessaE, I actually like all of these farm types
19:25 jojoa1997        no i have to disable all my mods i dont want that i had with minitest(dev ones) and i have to do so much
19:25 VanessaE         seen this one up here yet?
19:25 jojoa1997        i have more than one game
19:25 VanessaE         I think Doyousketch's son made this one
19:25 VanessaE         but he needs to tend it, the water was left off for too long .
19:25 Calinou          jojoa1997, is it too hard to go to "configure", select the mods to disable then disable them,
19:25 jojoa1997        PilzAdam maybe make a way where you can enable a modpack to be per world
19:26 Calinou          takes 1 minute at most
19:26 kaeza            greetings
19:26 Calinou          how about stopping complaining and instead disabling mods? you would gain time :-)
19:26 Calinou          hi kaeza
19:26 jojoa1997        Calinou yes when you have over 50 mods per game and all is different
19:26 VanessaE         (I just noticed it myself, just now put the water back in)
19:26 jojoa1997        also i have multiple versions of the same mod
19:26 Calinou          huh
19:26 jojoa1997        so that means i have to change everything
19:26 kaeza            wha
19:27 jojoa1997        i have multiple versions of the same mod which i tailored per game
19:27 jojoa1997        so no if i combin everything the mods will mess with eachother
19:28 jojoa1997        and my old maps are going to be broken
19:29 jojoa1997        see unresolved name conflicts
19:30 Calinou          how about adopting better development practices :P
19:30 jojoa1997        maybe i should have to keep everything the same
19:31 jojoa1997        i like developing my own stuff and the diff games worked out
19:31 Calinou          why not just make one game and edit code in that game?
19:31 Calinou          that's what I do for my mods
19:31 jojoa1997        i have a modpack for mod_test for example which i have no idea what i will do...
19:31 Calinou          keep your text editor open to revert changes
19:31 jojoa1997        Calinou i cant do that
19:32 Calinou          and make "snapshots" of your mod (copies in some folder)
19:32 jojoa1997        that would be around 79+ files open
19:32 Calinou          huh
19:32 Calinou          I have 10 open at most
19:32 jojoa1997        Calinou how many games do you have in your games folder besides the "released" ones
19:33 RealBadAngel     79+ version of one mod? thats pretty insane ;)
19:33 jojoa1997        no
19:33 jojoa1997        79 files
19:33 jojoa1997        all diff mods
19:33 VanessaE         PilzAdam: wow, weeds are quick to sprout on hoed soil
19:34 PilzAdam         weed is in farming_plus now
19:34 jojoa1997        i have 6 extra games besides minetest_game, minimal, and common
19:34 Calinou          jojoa1997, none.
19:35 jojoa1997        sorry Calinou but you have it simple
19:35 * Calinou        hated weed, good thing it's not in default
19:37 jojoa1997        here is what i dont get
19:37 jojoa1997        everything was fine until this update
19:37 jojoa1997        'no name conflicts
19:37 jojoa1997        and now there is many
19:37 RealBadAngel     http://i.imgur.com/riYROBq.jpg
19:38 jojoa1997        you guys messed something u
19:38 jojoa1997        p
19:39 * Calinou        gives weed to jojoa1997
19:39 Calinou          "it's a mod!"
19:39 jojoa1997        what is
19:39 jojoa1997        it was working bfore
19:39 jojoa1997        great
19:40 jojoa1997        i cant have a modpack in a modpack
19:41 Exio             [16:32:08] <Calinou> and make "snapshots" of your mod (copies in some folder)
19:41 Exio             ... or use git
19:41 Calinou          ^
19:41 jojoa1997        Exio you dont understand
19:41 Calinou          was about to say that
19:41 Calinou          but I bet he would say "too complicated" :)
19:41 jojoa1997        nope
19:42 jojoa1997        try this
19:42 Exio             for a normal not-pro-and-supa-l33t usage of git you need to know how 3 or 4 commands work
19:42 jojoa1997        first the mod fire has a name conflict
19:42 jojoa1997        explain that
19:43 Exio             wut
19:43 Calinou          Exio, true
19:43 Calinou          git commit, git push, git pull, git reset, git log
19:43 kaeza            re: weed, why not make it buildable_to?
19:43 jojoa1997        i say there should be an option to choose between the new way of modsystem and the old way
19:43 Calinou          that's all I use
19:44 Calinou          jojoa1997, there should be an option to choose whether to make all the nodes sound like they're ponies or not too
19:44 Calinou          with chat bubbles
19:44 jojoa1997        how about you get more than default and try that
19:44 jojoa1997        i am trying to make things work here
19:44 jojoa1997        and i am just pointing out the errors
19:45 jojoa1997        for example
19:45 jojoa1997        in my minitest mod folder i have plantslib with just the lib part but in minetest_game folder i have all the mods
19:45 jojoa1997        and that is just a simple change
19:46 jojoa1997        now i have to rename all my mods anmf
19:46 jojoa1997        a]dap[
19:47 Calinou          adap? a damn annoying plant?
19:48 jojoa1997        i like testing new mods
19:48 jojoa1997        so i put it in mod_test before i add it to minetest_game
19:48 jojoa1997        now if i am still testing a mod or waiting for it to get developed more i have to disable it every time i need a new map
19:49 jojoa1997        and what if in mod_test there is amod that is the dev version and min minetest_game there is the stable
19:49 Calinou          you're adding mods to your minetest_game?
19:49 Calinou          you should add them to the "mods" directory
19:49 jojoa1997        then how am i supposed to make that work when i keep having new testmaps
19:49 Calinou          (not in "mods/minetest" anymore)
19:50 jojoa1997        /minetest/mods/minetest_game/mod here
19:50 jojoa1997        /minetest/mods/mod_test/mod here
19:50 jojoa1997        you see and now i am getting wrong name errors
19:51 jojoa1997        i am sorry but not everyone only has one game
19:51 Calinou          ._.
19:51 jojoa1997        and you just forgot about them'
19:51 Calinou          /minetest/mods/your_mod
19:51 Calinou          ^ how it works
19:51 jojoa1997        that was the old way
19:51 Calinou          also, most people only have one game :P
19:51 Calinou          not counting minimal
19:51 jojoa1997        i am sorry but NOT EVERYONE only has one game
19:51 jojoa1997        i didnt say most i said not
19:52 Calinou          I know
19:52 jojoa1997        as in there are people out there wanting to play games like dwarves/skybl;ock/minitest/minetest-black
19:52 jojoa1997        and now you say nope i am narrow minded and say be like me and have opne game
19:52 Calinou          well, you use a world per game already
19:53 Calinou          when you add new mods, you go to "configure" for the game you want to add the mod to, then enable it there
19:53 Calinou          what? I never said you were narrow minded
19:53 Calinou          also, if you don't agree, talk to PilzAdam :-)
19:53 jojoa1997        the point is my dev mods except for minetest go into the mods folder for each game
19:53 * PilzAdam       hides
19:53 Calinou          these are always enabled
19:53 Calinou          (AFAIK)
19:53 Calinou          same for worldmods
19:53 jojoa1997        calinou you have not seen my folder
19:53 * Calinou        forces PilzAdam to show
19:53 Calinou          jojoa1997, screenshots 8)
19:53 * PilzAdam       forces PilzAdam to hide
19:55 jojoa1997        Calinou you dont want to see
19:55 Calinou          uh uh
19:56 Calinou          I can see phoronix forums, so I can probably see that too 8)
20:04 jojoa1997        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw7huus5VMkTUjlPMDV5M2Zmbms/edit https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw7huus5VMkTN3BaaFB6eFVHZE0/edit
20:04 jojoa1997        now those are just the main mods
20:04 Calinou          ._. why do I have to log in
20:05 jojoa1997        the outside folders and some are modpacks
20:05 jojoa1997        idk
20:05 jojoa1997        i am tring to share the pic
20:05 VanessaE         jojoa1997: fix your permissions or use a pastebin
20:05 VanessaE         (or imgur, whatever)
20:05 jojoa1997        shttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw7huus5VMkTN3BaaFB6eFVHZE0/edit?usp=sharing
20:05 PilzAdam         VanessaE, everyone in your server is timing out
20:06 jojoa1997        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw7huus5VMkTUjlPMDV5M2Zmbms/edit?usp=sharing
20:06 RealBadAngel     PilzAdam, i wasnt timed out
20:06 VanessaE         PilzAdam: that's normal, most people do that on most servers.
20:06 VanessaE         it's a bug in the client.
20:06 VanessaE         it crashes while building meshes or something
20:07 jojoa1997        are they working?
20:07 VanessaE         I see that one
20:07 jojoa1997        now go ahead and click which ones you want
20:08 jojoa1997        also i have to make modpacks of the mod folders for easy choosing and now if i want it the different mods will crash the diff games
20:08 jojoa1997        maybe we should have an option to allow game mods
20:09 jojoa1997        like there is an add-ons tab
20:09 jojoa1997        maybe add a games tab
20:09 VanessaE         jojoa1997: you should have just provided a textual list, it's easier to read.
20:09 jojoa1997        i cant
20:10 VanessaE         *grumble*
20:10 Calinou          *rumple*
20:10 Calinou          rumble*
20:10 kaeza            mumble*
20:10 * Calinou        google translates "rumple"
20:11 Calinou          uh uh, that's a word
20:11 RealBadAngel     wow, playin with normal maps can give really GOOD effects
20:11 Calinou          you mean detail maps
20:11 Calinou          not normal maps
20:11 RealBadAngel     i MEAN normal maps
20:11 Calinou          also, detail maps can be added with GIMP to the source texture just fine
20:11 Calinou          RealBadAngel, how about learning what's a normal map?
20:11 Calinou          fun fact: these will soon be 10 years old
20:11 RealBadAngel     im not gonna learn since im already using them
20:12 jojoa1997        also calinou it is giving me no clue on how to fix the naming
20:12 jojoa1997        naming problems
20:12 VanessaE         Calinou: he really is talking about normalmapping.  I've made a number of them for HDX also (they're not in git yet)
20:12 RealBadAngel     only thing differs the implementation is fake light source
20:12 Calinou          ah
20:12 Calinou          well, it's normal mapping then
20:12 Calinou          but not per-pixel ;)
20:12 VanessaE         next is real lighting and then specular maps.
20:13 Calinou          real lighting would require dynamic lights and stuff
20:13 Calinou          doable, but slow
20:13 RealBadAngel     of course its per pixel
20:13 kaeza            specular maps \o/
20:13 RealBadAngel     normal maps and specular lights
20:13 VanessaE         kaeza: coming soon-ish
20:13 Calinou          I'd like to see that, but way too many people would whine about performance
20:13 RealBadAngel     40fps here
20:13 Calinou          it's sad there's an hug gap about people's hardware
20:13 RealBadAngel     with 128x and shaders
20:13 Calinou          huge*
20:13 Calinou          lol hug gap
20:13 VanessaE         Calinou: normalmaps are on a per-pixel basis, at least up to the resolution of the map.
20:13 * Exio           hugs Calinou
20:14 Exio             :D
20:14 kaeza            fun fact: Calinou == hug in french
20:14 RealBadAngel     Calinou, http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#0
20:14 Calinou          :-)
20:14 RealBadAngel     watch the album to compare texturing with and without shaders
20:14 Calinou          how did you generate the normal maps?
20:14 RealBadAngel     gimp
20:14 RealBadAngel     im playin with them atm
20:15 RealBadAngel     also 1st release of Haven TP with normal maps is already out
20:15 Calinou          O_o you spent hours making them?
20:15 Calinou          gimp-normalmap is nice but slow
20:16 kaeza            bbiab
20:17 sfan5            good night
20:18 Calinou          night sfan5
20:18 iqualfragile     gn8
20:18 iqualfragile     why does he allways go to sleep at around 10 pm?
20:19 VanessaE         Calinou: gimp-normalmap isn't bad really, though I'd have preferred more filter options.
20:19 iqualfragile     rba: post a screenshot with normal/bumpmaps when you mine out a block so the cracks are visible
20:19 jojoa1997        at lkeast minecraft keeps backward compatability
20:20 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, what?
20:20 VanessaE         PilzAdam: http://dev.minetest.net/Mod_name_conflicts  <--- this is no longer relevant, he is saying.
20:20 jojoa1997        you changes the mod structure from mods/survival/bones to mod/bones
20:20 jojoa1997        but the old way was better
20:21 jojoa1997        and now you have thrown it out
20:21 iqualfragile     jojoa1997: why was the old way better?
20:21 PilzAdam         the old way was not better
20:21 iqualfragile     it was more complicated, yes, but why better?
20:21 PilzAdam         the new one is a lot more flecxible
20:21 PilzAdam         -c
20:21 PilzAdam         and its a lot easiert
20:21 VanessaE         he's saying that the ability to install mods on a per-game basis has been removed (I don't recall this being the case)
20:22 RealBadAngel     Calinou, http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#9 new normal maps for cobble and wood
20:22 Calinou          <jojoa1997> at lkeast minecraft keeps backward compatability
20:22 Calinou          are you fucking kidding me
20:22 Exio             xD
20:22 Exio             hahah
20:22 Exio             who did that good joke
20:22 Calinou          mods for previous versions of MC do not work because of reobfuscation at almost every MC release
20:22 Calinou          try using an 1.5.1 mod for 1.5.2
20:22 jojoa1997        yeah but minecraft doesnt have an api
20:23 Calinou          and that sucks
20:23 Calinou          minetest has one :P
20:23 VanessaE         RealBadAngel: looks nice but the maps are perhaps too strong on the stone.
20:23 jojoa1997        and minetest was the same during 0.3.x
20:23 Calinou          it would be nice if we had parallax/relief maps/tesselation :D
20:23 RealBadAngel     jojoa1997, for complex mods it takes months for modmakers to update their mods
20:23 VanessaE         jojoa1997: so this means you have to change your workflow a bit.  Is that really so bad?
20:23 jojoa1997        anyways there should be a way to add mods pergame
20:23 * Calinou        never saw a FOSS game using tesselation instead of offset mapping/relief mapping
20:23 Calinou          not sure if that's possible :P
20:23 jojoa1997        yeah
20:23 Calinou          relief mapping looks quite good but is not perfect, and tesselation could actuall be faster in some cases
20:23 jojoa1997        just look at the before change
20:24 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, create a modpack for each game in mods/ and enable it
20:24 Calinou          hello mr. antichange
20:24 VanessaE         PilzAdam:  perhaps you can update this,  http://dev.minetest.net/Mod_name_conflicts  to reflect the current state?
20:24 jojoa1997        PikzAdam i did
20:24 jojoa1997        and that cause the problem
20:24 jojoa1997        it isnt working with modpacks
20:24 Calinou          jojoa1997, you can add mods per-game: add them to games/game_name/your_mod
20:24 PilzAdam         VanessaE, what changed?
20:24 jojoa1997        Calinou no
20:24 iqualfragile     wood should have more details
20:25 jojoa1997        /games/gamename/mods is what the developers of the game puts in
20:25 VanessaE         PilzAdam: he's saying that per-game mods simply don't work anymore.
20:25 jojoa1997        one sec
20:25 PilzAdam         VanessaE, and what has that to do with the wiki page you linked?
20:26 VanessaE         PilzAdam: as in ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/mesecons etc.  Because that wiki page still mentions per-game mods, and what he's having problems with is mod name conflicts.
20:26 jojoa1997        one sec
20:26 jojoa1997        may 18 top change
20:26 jojoa1997        look at github
20:26 jojoa1997        $path_share/mods/gameid/
20:26 jojoa1997        is not
20:26 jojoa1997        is now
20:27 jojoa1997        $path_share/mods/
20:27 jojoa1997        gamid meant per world mods
20:27 jojoa1997        pe game
20:27 jojoa1997        so youi had it before
20:27 jojoa1997        and removed
20:27 jojoa1997        it
20:28 PilzAdam         VanessaE, http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mod_name_conflicts&diff=1274&oldid=1241
20:28 PilzAdam         ^ good?
20:29 jojoa1997        maybe allowing a folder to have a gamepack.txt and doing  $path_share/mods/gameid/ would fix it
20:29 VanessaE         PilzAdam: that seems fine, but it doesn't address the issue
20:29 PilzAdam         I see no other referenve of the old system there (?)
20:30 jojoa1997        $path_share/mods/gameid/
20:30 jojoa1997        $path_share/mods/
20:30 jojoa1997        \see the diff
20:30 iqualfragile     yeah, you dont install mods per gamemode anymore
20:30 VanessaE         PilzAdam: "8. user (addon) mods"  <--- where are these officially supposed to go?
20:30 iqualfragile     but per world
20:31 jojoa1997        <jojoa1997> maybe allowing a folder to have a gamepack.txt and doing  $path_share/mods/gameid/ would fix it
20:31 PilzAdam         VanessaE, $path_<user/share>/mods/
20:31 jojoa1997        i am leaving for 30 minutes
20:31 PilzAdam         where path_user is prefered
20:31 iqualfragile     the rationale behin that was, iirc, that you should create a new gamemode if you realy want to change a gamemode
20:32 VanessaE         PilzAdam: as I thought, I think the whole complaint here is that $path_user/mods/$gameid shouldn't have been removed as an option.
20:32 PilzAdam         am I stupid or why cant I follow what you are saying?
20:32 VanessaE         PilzAdam: language barrier :-)
20:33 PilzAdam         how is that relevant at all for the mod name conflict article?
20:33 VanessaE         PilzAdam: nevermind the article.
20:35 * VanessaE       gives up
20:35 VanessaE         (not my argument anyways, I don't care where mods go as long as the behavior is predictable and well-defined.  just tried to help)
20:36 PilzAdam         <VanessaE> PilzAdam:  perhaps you can update this,  http://dev.minetest.net/Mod_name_conflicts  to reflect the current state?
20:36 PilzAdam         ^ this is what confused me
20:36 PilzAdam         I updated it here: http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mod_name_conflicts&diff=1274&oldid=1241
20:37 PilzAdam         and now I have the feeling you are pulling me into a completly different discussion
20:37 VanessaE         nevermind - that change is fine.
20:39 VanessaE         sorry, my intention wasn't to change any subject or redirect the discussion.
20:45 VanessaE         PilzAdam: but I guess you missed where he said he was having naming conflicts - if that article wasn't relevant, I don't know what is.
20:45 PilzAdam         I was just ignoring jojoa's shitstorm
20:46 PilzAdam         maybe thats the problem...
20:46 VanessaE         oh, so the confusion is your fault ;)
20:46 PilzAdam         no, you thought you have to pull me into a discussion with him
20:47 VanessaE         nope.
20:47 VanessaE         damn it.  chat crash on my client again.
20:50 ungali_mobile    ye HD
20:51 Calinou          huh
20:51 ungali_mobile    sorry,
20:51 Calinou          are you talking to your hard drive?
20:51 ungali_mobile    ... yes
20:51 ungali_mobile    but it never talks back
20:52 iqualfragile     happens to me, too
20:52 iqualfragile     the gpu is way more likely to converse
20:53 * ungali_mobile  is yelling at his phones gpu
20:53 jojoa1997        PilzAdam what i mean to say is that the mods inside the games/gamename/mods should not be touched since that is where stuff is updated
20:53 PilzAdam         the HD is probably jealous of the RAM
20:54 iqualfragile     why is that stuff updated?
20:54 Calinou          or a SSD
20:54 PilzAdam         Calinou, nope.avi
20:54 jojoa1997        for example when i release andother version of my minitest that is what you update
20:54 jojoa1997        it should be delete the game folder and copy/move te newer one in
20:55 PilzAdam         nobody said that users should intall mods there
20:55 jojoa1997        now you are forcing people to merge the mods they had with that game mod folder /mods/gameid/mods or just add the other mods
20:55 PilzAdam         yes
20:56 jojoa1997        but no
20:56 jojoa1997        the games folder is for the games not your version
20:56 jojoa1997        unless you rename the game
20:56 PilzAdam         I already said that users shouldnt install mods there
20:56 PilzAdam         now there simply isnt a way to isntall mods per game
20:56 jojoa1997        yeah but that is what you are telling me to do
20:56 PilzAdam         *install
20:57 jojoa1997        but you should add one
20:57 PilzAdam         the per world system is way more flexible
20:57 jojoa1997        just stop
20:57 jojoa1997        i dont care if per world is more flexible
20:57 PilzAdam         you can reach the same with it
20:58 PilzAdam         it just takes you some seconds of configuring when creating a new game
20:58 jojoa1997        the problem would be fixed if with mopacks you need an init.lua in the next folder down
20:58 PilzAdam         *world
20:58 jojoa1997        wait
20:58 jojoa1997        i put modpack.txt in my minetest mods folder
20:58 jojoa1997        error occured becuase there was no iit.lua in the minetest folder
20:58 jojoa1997        init.lua
20:59 VanessaE         he's trying to nest modpacks.
20:59 jojoa1997        i want to be able to use the modtest mods with the modtest game not with minetest_game
21:00 jojoa1997        the main problem is modpack searching for an init.lua in modpack/mod/init
21:00 jojoa1997        but when i do what i said it sees /gamepack/modapack/mod
21:00 jojoa1997        not
21:00 jojoa1997        /gamepack/modpack/mod/init.lua
21:01 jojoa1997        so i get an error
21:01 PilzAdam         nested modpacks are not supported AFAIK
21:01 jojoa1997        but that was your solution for me
21:01 jojoa1997        earlier
21:02 PilzAdam         well, then copy the mods of the modpack directly into your gamepack
21:02 jojoa1997        but
21:02 jojoa1997        what happens when i update
21:02 jojoa1997        for example
21:02 jojoa1997        a.png is changed to b.png
21:03 jojoa1997        so now i have 2 files for what is meant to be the same item
21:03 jojoa1997        recipe.lua and items.lua are combined into items.lua
21:03 jojoa1997        well there is another file that could cause a problem
21:04 PilzAdam         hows that connected to your original problem?
21:05 jojoa1997        the whole point was that say recipes.lua was combined with items.lua
21:05 jojoa1997        no
21:06 jojoa1997        pretty much a file that is still there can cause problems
21:06 jojoa1997        so i cant delete the entire gamepack cause the mods i have added in there
21:06 PilzAdam         what has this todo with the new modsystem?
21:07 jojoa1997        i had mods in /mods/gamid/mod
21:07 jojoa1997        now i have to move them into /games/gamid/mods
21:07 jojoa1997        but when i go to update the game to a new version i delete /games/gamid
21:07 jojoa1997        and there goes the mods
21:08 PilzAdam         I already said that users shouldnt install mods there
21:08 jojoa1997        exactly
21:08 jojoa1997        but
21:08 jojoa1997        to fix the problem i would have to install thger unless...
21:09 jojoa1997        you add a way to make a per game mod folder
21:09 jojoa1997        so maybe make
21:09 jojoa1997        /mods/common
21:09 PilzAdam         you dont have to install it there, the per world setting allows you to configure it to your needs
21:09 jojoa1997        /mods/gameid
21:09 jojoa1997        but
21:09 jojoa1997        what if i have 2 mods that are tailored to the game
21:10 jojoa1997        so now i have to somehow make it fit both games which is impossible
21:10 PilzAdam         this is a very unlikely to happen
21:10 jojoa1997        well it did
21:10 jojoa1997        so better safe then sorry
21:11 PilzAdam         there are just too many good things in the new system
21:11 jojoa1997        but i say keep the new systn
21:11 iqualfragile     the problem is that the old system had some downsides
21:11 jojoa1997        *system
21:11 PilzAdam         e.g. its extremly easy to make a mod manger, its more flexible, its easier to understand
21:11 jojoa1997        just add a perworld mod way also
21:11 iqualfragile     a) a mod (even if it was the same) would be in multiple locations
21:12 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, thats what we have currently
21:12 jojoa1997        i say keep the new way i love it but
21:12 iqualfragile     b) modmanagers would be hard to implement and impossible to implement in an userfriendly way
21:12 jojoa1997        add a per game mod folder too
21:12 jojoa1997        add a over all and a pergame
21:12 jojoa1997        like
21:12 Exio             there was and is already a modmanager
21:12 jojoa1997        you know how there is the addon thing in the mod manager
21:13 jojoa1997        well make another dropdown for pergame mods too
21:14 jojoa1997        i am saying add both the new way and the per game of the old way'
21:14 PilzAdam         hm... maybe that would make it too bloated
21:14 PilzAdam         dunno
21:14 jojoa1997        mot really
21:14 jojoa1997        well make another dropdown for pergame mods too
21:14 Exio             not really
21:14 jojoa1997        but the pergame is not extended by default
21:14 Exio             - a person who haves no idea about C++
21:14 jojoa1997        i am trying to fix a problem
21:15 Exio             code it
21:15 jojoa1997        Exio you teach me C++
21:15 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, you can teach yourself c++ in a day
21:15 jojoa1997        not really
21:15 Exio             yes really
21:15 PilzAdam         i.e. 5 hours or so
21:15 jojoa1997        no
21:15 Exio             why not?
21:15 jojoa1997        life
21:16 jojoa1997        also school
21:16 Exio             you actually have time for talking here
21:16 Exio             and i also have school
21:16 jojoa1997        yeah but
21:16 Exio             people here have a work too
21:16 jojoa1997        i am multitasking
21:16 jojoa1997        and then i have to figure out ow to compile
21:16 Exio             good for you, instead of doing one good thing you do two sucky things
21:16 Exio             or how does it work?
21:16 jojoa1997        wich brings the whole point of .dll
21:16 jojoa1997        and that is more than 5 hours
21:17 Exio             if you used linux compiling would be easier >:D
21:17 jojoa1997        try doing that with internet that has technology blo0cked
21:17 Exio             </troll>
21:17 jojoa1997        also i am not installing linux
21:17 Exio             my network is worse than a diaulup
21:17 Exio             from 1997
21:17 jojoa1997        try doing that with internet that has technology BLOCKed
21:17 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, btw, I have more posts as you again :-p
21:17 jojoa1997        as in no matter how fast i cant access it
21:18 Exio             loading google takes between 9 to 25 seconds here with lots of stuff blocked :>
21:18 Calinou          read: he has a parental control and cannot watch MLP
21:18 Exio             clop*
21:18 jojoa1997        MLP?
21:18 Calinou          no u
21:18 Calinou          jojoa1997, go figure :-)
21:18 jojoa1997        anyways you guys would shoot me down if i did make it
21:19 jojoa1997        just like everyone else who isnt a dev
21:19 jojoa1997        and wants to help
21:19 Calinou          no?
21:19 Calinou          lots of pull requests were merged these days
21:19 jojoa1997        then why do people leave
21:19 Calinou          how about not raging when a core dev rejects a pull request you make?
21:19 Calinou          it already happened to me and I'm fine with that
21:19 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, because people are stupid and childish
21:19 jojoa1997        i am fine too
21:19 Calinou          ^
21:19 Exio             WHAT IS STUPID
21:19 jojoa1997        the point is
21:19 Exio             NO YOU ARE STUPID PILZADAM
21:20 PilzAdam         <jojoa1997> i am multitasking <- liar, humans cant multitask
21:20 jojoa1997        there should be backwards compatability
21:20 PilzAdam         and i7 can
21:20 PilzAdam         but humans dont
21:20 Calinou          +1 PilzAdam, actually humans cannot multitask :P
21:20 jojoa1997        i can
21:20 Exio             a x8 can too :3
21:20 Calinou          a celeron can multitask too
21:20 Calinou          there is no x8 Exio
21:20 Calinou          you mean FX-8xxx
21:20 PilzAdam         its a fact that humans cant
21:20 jojoa1997        breath, hear,talk,type,pump blood...
21:20 Calinou          talk and type are different tasks
21:20 PilzAdam         everonye who states the opposite is a liar
21:20 jojoa1997        human are the best multitaskers
21:20 Calinou          breath/hear/pump blood are "natural" tasks
21:21 Calinou          you don't have to think about them to do these
21:21 jojoa1997        but taks anyways
21:21 Calinou          nope
21:21 jojoa1997        i just stopped breathing
21:21 Calinou          tasks are eg. playing minetest, reading IRC, browsing phoronix forums
21:21 Calinou          cool story
21:21 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, visit biology class 11 or so
21:21 jojoa1997        cause i thought about not breathing
21:21 Calinou          yes
21:21 Calinou          but if you don't think about it, you'll breath normally
21:21 Calinou          you can perfectly ignore that
21:21 Calinou          8)
21:21 jojoa1997        anyways the point is isnt there a way to allow game packs
21:21 Calinou          game packs = games
21:21 jojoa1997        you did before]
21:22 RealBadAngel     http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#10
21:22 Calinou          packs of mods = mod packs
21:22 Calinou          mods = well, mods
21:22 jojoa1997        gamemods
21:22 jojoa1997        packs of mods for a certain game= gmae packs
21:22 RealBadAngel     Calinou, does it still looks flat to you? :)
21:22 PilzAdam         <Calinou> mods = well, mods <- you should write an FAQ :-p
21:22 jojoa1997        anyways shoul,ldnt it be simple
21:23 Calinou          RealBadAngel, nah it's fine
21:23 Calinou          it was never flat :P
21:23 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, it is simple, you want it to bloat
21:23 jojoa1997        cause you did it BEFORE
21:23 Calinou          jojoa1997, mod packs
21:23 jojoa1997        no
21:23 Calinou          you enable these per-world now
21:23 Calinou          it works like that and we are probably not going to change it: deal with it
21:23 jojoa1997        i want to have a mod per game not per world
21:23 Calinou          why would you want to do that?
21:23 jojoa1997        STOp
21:23 Calinou          do you have 150 worlds?
21:23 jojoa1997        actually i delete testworlds alot cause i ruin them
21:24 Calinou          I do that too
21:24 jojoa1997        and
21:24 Calinou          try to keep a permanent world
21:24 Calinou          per game
21:24 PilzAdam         /teleport 10000,0,0 -> problem solved
21:24 jojoa1997        ok try enableing 50 mods when you have 100
21:24 Calinou          "Enable All"
21:24 Calinou          done
21:24 PilzAdam         nobody has 100 mods
21:24 jojoa1997        nope
21:24 Calinou          do that for every world, done
21:24 jojoa1997        what about the other 50 you dont want
21:25 PilzAdam         dont be unrealistic here
21:25 Calinou          don't be unrealistic
21:25 jojoa1997        cause i have mods i dont want to over lap
21:25 Calinou          most people have 20 mods or modpacks at most
21:25 jojoa1997        ok fine
21:25 PilzAdam         you have 15 mods max
21:25 Calinou          I have about 10 mods or modpacks
21:25 jojoa1997        Calinou i have 60+
21:25 Calinou          mine, carts, mesecons, pipeworks...
21:25 Calinou          how about you stop using mods you never actually use?
21:25 jojoa1997        i use them all
21:26 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, liar
21:26 jojoa1997        i am sorry that your mind cant handle using more than 10 mods
21:26 jojoa1997        oh yeah
21:26 jojoa1997        UI for inven
21:26 jojoa1997        boats to swim fast
21:26 PilzAdam         the only person who uses so much mods is VanessaE ;-)
21:26 PilzAdam         and she doesnt complain
21:26 jojoa1997        builtin to throw stuff away in survival and push items in water
21:26 jojoa1997        carts
21:26 jojoa1997        farming food
21:26 jojoa1997        f+ food
21:27 PilzAdam         quit spamming,  now
21:27 jojoa1997        fences look nice and keeps mobs in
21:27 jojoa1997        firearms kill mobs
21:27 PilzAdam         pastebin your list
21:27 jojoa1997        you asked me
21:27 PilzAdam         -> pastebin
21:27 PilzAdam         then I can actually count
21:27 Calinou          <jojoa1997> f+ food
21:27 Calinou          facebook+ food?
21:27 jojoa1997        and that was 8 out of 26 for one game
21:28 jojoa1997        farming_plus
21:28 Calinou          :)
21:28 jojoa1997        now add the same amount for others
21:28 Calinou          have to go anyway, good night
21:28 jojoa1997        and now you want me to click each item
21:28 Calinou          try not to invent imaginary scenarios
21:28 jojoa1997        i am not inventing
21:29 Calinou          it's like saying laptop screens should all be 4K because if your gf punches you, you'll be near the screen and thus you'll be able to see the pixels
21:29 jojoa1997        this is different by alot
21:29 Calinou          no :3
21:29 jojoa1997        so take your 10 pittiful mods and leave
21:29 PilzAdam         <jojoa1997> and that was 8 out of 26 for one game <- mods arent per game anymore, so you have 28 mods, not 50
21:29 jojoa1997        also if minetest actually had good stuff in deafult then i wouldnt need so much
21:29 jojoa1997        no
21:30 PilzAdam         farming is in default
21:30 jojoa1997        that was 28 for that game
21:30 Calinou          pastebin a list as proof, jojoa1997
21:30 jojoa1997        Calinou go to sleep
21:30 Calinou          "dir" and "ls" gives you lists
21:30 Calinou          no u
21:30 jojoa1997        also
21:30 jojoa1997        alsoi
21:30 Calinou          also intel?
21:30 jojoa1997        i have edited each mod
21:30 PilzAdam         "I can count to infinity, 1, 2, 3, 4, and all the other numbers"
21:30 jojoa1997        so farming for minitest is different then for modtest
21:31 jojoa1997        and now i have to combine unwanted results
21:31 Calinou          WTF is modtest?
21:31 jojoa1997        mod_test = my gtame which lets me test all the new mods and decide what i want to keep and where i can deveolpe some mods
21:32 Calinou          why not put them in minitest? then you develop them?
21:32 Calinou          unnecessary step IMO
21:32 RealBadAngel     http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#11 and http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#12
21:32 jojoa1997        cause when i want to play i can not worry about errors
21:32 RealBadAngel     this is real compare shaders on/off
21:32 jojoa1997        so now you awant me to completely ruin a game and not play it for 2 dats
21:33 iqualfragile     RealBadAngel: take a screenshot of you mining something (the cracks should be visible)
21:33 * Calinou        facepalms
21:33 PilzAdam         jojoa1997, so, it turns out that the problem is at your side; you need to find a proper test/play/whatever system for yourself
21:33 Calinou          aww, RealBadAngel, I thought there were specular maps
21:34 jojoa1997        actually
21:34 jojoa1997        it isnt
21:34 jojoa1997        cause you gave no support for a past game
21:35 PilzAdam         oh, no, you are perfect and Minetest, developed by a bunch of idiots, is shit :-p
21:35 RealBadAngel     Calinou, shaders use normal maps + specular effect (but since there are no hardware lights, on a fixed level)
21:35 jojoa1997        no
21:37 jojoa1997        what is so bloated about having per game file
21:37 Calinou          the shaders mod for MC uses fake speculars
21:37 Calinou          where you are the light source :P
21:37 jojoa1997        and also you dont develope for minetest_game and minitest
21:37 jojoa1997        so maybe you should think for the game developers
21:38 Calinou          PilzAdam, btw, you should ask the forum admins for a "news" section, it would be nice
21:38 * Calinou        pokes thexyz
21:38 Calinou          eg. that recent change about mods, or farming being added to default :P
21:39 Calinou          people can reply but cannot make new topics
21:39 * PilzAdam       pokes thexyz too
21:40 Calinou          two pokes in two seconds. EXCELLENT
21:40 PilzAdam         Calinou, double post: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91216#p91216
21:41 PilzAdam         -> ban
21:41 Calinou          aw
21:41 Calinou          fixed
21:42 PilzAdam         good way to get more forum posts ;-)
21:42 Calinou          it'd be nice if we had double post prevention too :P
21:42 Calinou          wasn't my intent, was a mistake :P
21:42 PilzAdam         sure
21:42 PilzAdam         :-p
21:43 PilzAdam         thexyz, can you make me a moderator then, so I can post topics there?
21:45 Calinou          oh, shiny new section
21:45 thexyz           PilzAdam: i've made you a "developer
21:45 thexyz           "
21:46 thexyz           you can change your title now!
21:47 Calinou          admin note too :P
21:48 PilzAdam         oO I can delete my own topics
21:48 Calinou          yep
21:48 thexyz           that too
21:48 PilzAdam         can somone move this to "News": http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6034 ?
21:49 thexyz           done
21:49 PilzAdam         let me create a new topic bout the new mod system
21:50 Calinou          rule: in december, you must create a post "It is cold in the office"
21:50 Calinou          where you talk about new heatsinks being installed in your house
21:50 Calinou          </mojang>
21:54 PilzAdam         should I add [0.4.7] to all subjects to make clear wich versions are effected?
21:55 PilzAdam         http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91221#p91221
21:56 thexyz           okay, i set it to sort topics by topic start date
21:56 thexyz           PilzAdam: i think it's a good idea
21:58 thexyz           it's probably a good idea to include links to those topics in http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
21:58 MinetestBot      GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Silly mistake, interrupts should work better now. 24160d45ff 2013-05-21T14:57:25-07:00 http://git.io/l-YCAw
21:58 Calinou          btw, I can't moderate the "news" section
21:58 Calinou          (eg. edit posts inside a topic)
22:01 thexyz           fixed
22:02 PilzAdam         http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91222#p91222
22:04 thexyz           PilzAdam: does that http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6066 mean there are no games now?
22:04 PilzAdam         updated
22:04 PilzAdam         "Games are not effected by this change."
22:04 VanessaE         affected*
22:06 iqualfragile     thexyz: i have portet onomtopia to pypy
22:06 iqualfragile     but its actualy 3 times slower then running the same code with python
22:08 iqualfragile     i guess we need to wait untill numpy is realy avivable
22:09 iqualfragile     (there seems to be work related to numpy at the moment)
22:09 PilzAdam         thexyz, move this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4994 and this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5417 to news
22:10 thexyz           iqualfragile: what branch did you port?
22:10 iqualfragile     default i guess
22:11 thexyz           there's another one
22:11 thexyz           which is much faster
22:11 thexyz           but buggy
22:11 iqualfragile     was more or less a mater of replacing =* by numpy.dot()
22:11 iqualfragile     and replacing numpy.matrix by [[]]
22:11 iqualfragile     (because pypy does not have numpy.matrix yet)
22:24 thexyz           everybody loves syntax highlighting, right?
22:24 thexyz           http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=89343#p89343
22:25 kaeza            thexyz, +10000
22:25 VanessaE         nice!
22:25 VanessaE         how do you tell the "forum" what language to assume?
22:26 VanessaE         (or is it always Lua?)
22:26 jin_xi           you shout it three (3) times
22:26 iqualfragile     kaeza: i think +10000 is a bit much, dont you think +9352 would fit better?
22:27 thexyz           VanessaE: it detects languages automagically
22:27 VanessaE         ncie
22:27 VanessaE         nice!
22:27 thexyz           http://softwaremaniacs.org/soft/highlight/en/
22:27 PilzAdam         thexyz, not this one: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6067
22:28 thexyz           PilzAdam: it's not code
22:28 thexyz           you placed not code into [code] blocks
22:28 thexyz           you made me sad
22:28 PilzAdam         many people do that
22:28 PilzAdam         e.g. for crafting recipes, IRC logs, etc.
22:30 PilzAdam         [code=language] would be better
22:30 iqualfragile     haha, it would be great if it would see irc logs as code
22:30 iqualfragile     the different usernames are objects
22:30 iqualfragile     and they interact with eachother using "language"
22:31 PilzAdam         iqualfragile, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2454
22:31 iqualfragile     it could be quite hard to get syntax highlighting for the "language" protocoll…
22:31 thexyz           i doubt i can do anything about it
22:31 thexyz           okay, i'll disable it then
22:32 thexyz           it relies on the fact you post code in [code] tags, not quotes
22:47 VanessaE         PilzAdam: re: lkjoel's post... trash?
22:47 VanessaE         (yes I know it's old)
22:47 PilzAdam         why
22:47 PilzAdam         its old
22:48 PilzAdam         just leave it
22:48 * VanessaE       shrugs - it was intended to start a fight, obviously
22:48 VanessaE         ok
23:15 VanessaE         bbl
23:33 PilzAdam         bye