Time  Nick               Message
00:00 VanessaE           no effect - there must be something getting in the way
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet   did you overwrite the old moddle
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet   model
00:01 kahrl              love the moonwalk
00:01 VanessaE           I put the character.x file into vanessae_game/mods/default/models/
00:01 VanessaE           deployed it to the server, restarted, logged in with two sessions to try it out - no good.  the model was unchanged.
00:02 ShadowNinja        Wait what? There must be annother file that MT is using
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   yeah
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   OH!
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   maybe the skin changer mod
00:03 VanessaE           (note that I don't pull from common with game.conf - I include its files directly into the game directory)
00:03 VanessaE           jojoa1997|Tablet: indeed, I do use the player_textures mod
00:04 ShadowNinja        Well Minetest needs to get that model from somewhere
00:04 VanessaE           however I see nothing in the code that would change the mesh itself
00:04 VanessaE           maybe the model needs to be not in default but somewhere else?
00:05 ShadowNinja        Check default/player.lua
00:05 VanessaE           Minetest-Textures-and-mods/mods/peaceful_npc/models/character.x
00:05 VanessaE           I bet that's why.
00:05 RealBadAngel       http://i.imgur.com/VhODlXW.jpg
00:06 RealBadAngel       all kinds of batboxes and wires
00:06 VanessaE           jojoa1997|Tablet: why are you including the default character.x there?  Can't that be sourced from the game?
00:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   where?
00:06 VanessaE           jojoa1997|Tablet: your peaceful_npc mod.
00:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   oh
00:07 ShadowNinja        RealBadAngel: I think the batbox textures should be more varied
00:08 RealBadAngel       propably yes, but theres too much to texture, so (at least for haven tp) i decided to use different coulours just
00:09 jordan4ibanez      http://imgur.com/fXUdsFZ,FqQspQW,I0jrrAG,XaMyn5g,FJHDRZn,h9SAo6l,ZjYrxpV#0
00:13 jordan4ibanez      I think pilzadam was overtired or something. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86893#p86893
00:14 ssieb              what's the current version of inventory_plus?
00:14 ssieb              the one I have is suddenly causing server crashes :-(
00:17 RealBadAngel       would you prefer one that informs you about the crash a few minutes before? ;)
00:18 ssieb              :-P
00:18 ssieb              as in it wasn't doing it before, but now it crashes the server as soon as someone connects
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet   i have to check something
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet   sorry owrong channel
00:20 RealBadAngel       ssieb, post the error in mods topic
00:21 jojoa1997          hi
00:21 * ssieb            suspects it's related to some other mod, will try debugging it later
00:24 VanessaE           there, peaceful npc updated to not use its own copy of character.x - now it works with the new model (and uses it too)
00:24 jojoa1997          has anyone thought of making a mod where you can have 2 item spots and you click each tool with the coresponding sides and middle button is placing
00:25 ShadowNinja        That makes a lot of things harder to do, and would take a sizable chunk of code.
00:29 jordan4ibanez      I wish you could at least give tools a nodebox
00:30 ShadowNinja        jordan4ibanez: you can, use the nodebox drawtype
00:30 jordan4ibanez      For tools?
00:32 jordan4ibanez      I mean for tools not entities, ShadowNinja.
00:43 ShadowNinja        Yes, you might just be able to get it to work, even if it isn't intended for that
00:44 ShadowNinja        IIRC register_tool and register_node are identical except for setting type = tool/node
00:47 jordan4ibanez      I can't get the wield hand to do any of that. :'<
01:01 Kacey              hey jordan4ibanez do chest keep their inventoryf node_gunned?
01:02 jordan4ibanez      No, I'm too lazy to make that happen.
01:04 Kacey              aaw :(
01:30 jordan4ibanez      http://i.imgur.com/ZeoENo4.png
01:31 jordan4ibanez      I don't have aliasing on, why is the grassed aliased?
01:31 jordan4ibanez      Grass.*
01:31 VanessaE           beats me, happens on my box too.
01:31 VanessaE           I think jungle tree saplings do it also?
01:40 jordan4ibanez      Instead of the server constantly trying to get things from the client, why doesn't the client just send over things when they change?
01:40 jordan4ibanez      Like shift, or key presses, or pitch/yaw.
02:29 * VanessaE         pokes [0gb_us]
02:31 [0gb_us]           Hmm? What? I'm awake.
02:31 VanessaE           just checking.
02:40 * [0gb_us]         must leave you now
02:44 MinetestBot        GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Enhance caves for mgv7, add ravines 8767c78169 2013-04-27T19:40:52-07:00 http://git.io/tDN0fQ
02:45 VanessaE           looks like v7 is really going to kick some serious ass when it's done.
02:51 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, I removed the seconds timestamp but ShadowBot was probably faster, and didn't print the full timestamp for the commit, and the hash and a link that could have been one...
02:54 * ShadowNinja      Wants to show you more cool stuff that ShadowBot can do, like flood protection and opping with just !op, but that requires halfops/op, and freenode doesn't have halfops, and MinetestBot is around too much for ShadowBot to do much else.
02:55 VanessaE           I'd pass it on for testing but I think I'd need approval from at least one other op
02:55 Kacey|xbox         hi me!
02:56 Kacey              ooh hai
02:57 ShadowNinja        Well it runs well in at least three other channels, ##minetest-0gb.us, ##mt-irc-mod, and ##jesseh
02:58 ShadowNinja        Oh, and this reminds me about the private #minetest-dev access list...
02:59 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, OldCoder? Do you approve?
02:59 VanessaE           (because having such flood protection would be useful)
03:00 OldCoder           ShadowBot, Hi
03:00 OldCoder           ShadowNinja, reviewing
03:01 OldCoder           We could test it
03:01 VanessaE           hmmmm: ping
03:01 OldCoder           But if there are more bot battles toss it
03:01 ShadowNinja        OK, :-)
03:01 OldCoder           Bots got out of hand a while back
03:02 OldCoder           VanessaE, worth a brief look maybe
03:02 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, I will keep that in mind
03:02 NakedFury          it was users that got out of hand with bots
03:02 hmmmm              ..
03:02 hmmmm              if you stop bugging me, i'll be able to get it done faster
03:02 VanessaE           eh?
03:02 NakedFury          same commands on bots were exploited by users
03:03 ShadowNinja        My bot will ignore users if they over-use it
03:03 VanessaE           nono see above re: testing his bot's anti-flood feature.
03:03 NakedFury          and flood protection is delicious
03:03 ShadowNinja        !config plugins.AttackProtector.message.detection
03:03 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: Global: 10p20; #minetest: 10p20
03:03 ShadowNinja        !config plugins.AttackProtector.message.punishment
03:03 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: Global: kick; #minetest: kick
03:04 ShadowNinja        ten messages in twenty seconds -> kick
03:05 MinetestBot        GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Actually fix shader3 alpha this time d7395cd2ab 2013-04-27T20:04:52-07:00 http://git.io/nlyclA
03:05 ShadowNinja        Also nick spamming, join spamming, group joins, etc
03:07 ShadowNinja        Well shall we? Any questions?
03:08 NakedFury          non that come to mind
03:17 ShadowNinja        I disabled the dangerous anti-spam measures(+i and +m for joins, parts, etc from large groups of people), it should be ready now.
03:20 khonkhortisan      Server-side clouds, or client-side weather?
03:20 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: both? :)
03:20 khonkhortisan      why both?
03:20 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: why not? :)
03:21 ShadowNinja        There :-) you can test now if you want.
03:21 VanessaE           I figured you would :)
03:22 VanessaE           someone start posting lorem ipsum :)
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 NakedFury          lorem ipsum
03:22 ShadowNinja        :-)
03:22 VanessaE           hah, I didn't mean like that :)
03:23 VanessaE           ShadowNinja: does it also detect a flood where it's just X number of chars over some time period?
03:23 ShadowNinja        It doesn't limit length, just number
03:23 VanessaE           it should limit length to whatever the maximum typical IRC comment is, times say 3, in 5 seconds or whatever.
03:23 ShadowNinja        No, I could discuss that with the developer of the plugin
03:24 VanessaE           (I think IRC input maxes out at some 500 chars)
03:24 NakedFury          so it worked well?
03:24 VanessaE           well enough :)
03:25 * [0gb_us]         is back
03:26 VanessaE           wb
03:27 ShadowNinja        You can also use !op, which is a little but faster if you Identify with it, but commands are disabled for all but admins currently to prevent conflicts with MinetestBot.
03:28 VanessaE           meh, let's keep op spreading to a minimum
03:30 VanessaE           I think it's best if ShadowBot only acts as a standin for MinetestBot when it isn't here, plus the flood/spam/abuse controls.
03:40 ShadowNinja        Kicking someone 5 times will cause an automatic ban, do you want that?
03:41 VanessaE           3 times.
03:42 VanessaE           but the ban should be short-lived
03:42 VanessaE           say a few hours
03:42 VanessaE           5 times should earn a permban
03:42 Kacey              3 kicks within a day should be a temp ban
03:43 VanessaE           I just said that.
03:43 Kacey              i thought i should declare the day part
03:43 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, I don't think the plugin can do temp bans, although you can add them with !iban
03:43 hmmmm              if someone gets kicked 3 times, they should get banned
03:44 ShadowNinja        !config plugins.AttackProtector.kicked.detection
03:44 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: Global: 5p60; #minetest: 5p60
03:44 ShadowNinja        five in 60 seconds, I think you would have banned by then...
03:46 ShadowNinja        !config plugins.AttackProtector.kicked.detection 3p86400
03:46 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
03:47 ShadowNinja        Better?
03:48 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, maybe temp-bans are possible, but it would be either-or
03:50 VanessaE           jeez, my client is crashy today.
03:50 ShadowNinja        Bouncer :-)
03:50 khonkhortisan      VanessaE, fix it
03:51 khonkhortisan      valgrind, gdb, electricfence, etc.
03:52 VanessaE           meh
03:53 * khonkhortisan    learns that "live cd" turns into "failed to find bootable device"
03:53 khonkhortisan      when in a virtual machine, that is.
03:53 [0gb_us]           I had that issue today.
03:53 VanessaE           oh great, it's irrlicht bring a fuck
03:54 [0gb_us]           My DVD drive has issues, but rebooting fixes them.
03:55 khonkhortisan      I blame irrlicht too
03:56 khonkhortisan      draw2Dline stopping a pixel short
03:56 ShadowNinja        If there is an op around I don't think the auto-ban will be usefull, but if there isn't it would be usefull against spam attacks as it would get fed up eventualy
04:32 VanessaE           great, all of a sudden shaders aren't working on my client.
04:33 VanessaE           no, strike that, it ain't shaders.
04:33 VanessaE           it's something in irrlicht
04:36 VanessaE           http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5611027/
04:36 VanessaE           (even though shaders are turned off)
04:49 VanessaE           pain in my ass.
04:51 [0gb_us]           What is?
04:51 VanessaE           irrlicht.
04:52 khonkhortisan      I've had that error, didn't look into it.
04:52 VanessaE           I restarted the computer, re-building latest git of everything again juyst to be sure.
04:52 VanessaE           just*
04:55 VanessaE           *sigh* I hate computers.
04:56 VanessaE           that time, xfce-session crashed (apparently a known bug)
04:56 [0gb_us]           I'm sorry you feel that way.
04:56 khonkhortisan      I take that statement differently now that I have backtrack linux installed in a virtual machine
04:57 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: they're great when the work right, they're shit when they (or the programs thereon) don't.
04:57 Xenorax            Agreed.
04:58 VanessaE           because when they fail, the error causing the failure is almost always so G*d damned cryptic that only a high-end dev can fucking understand it (I don't mean minetest in this case)
04:58 VanessaE           assuming there's an error message to begin with
04:59 khonkhortisan      Errors should include urls to examples of causes?
05:00 Xenorax            Yes.
05:00 Xenorax            Errors should be as descriptive as possible.
05:01 VanessaE           well that's that, I can't use HDX 512px anymore.
05:01 VanessaE           MT just crashes now.
05:25 VanessaE           oh sure, NOW it works.
05:26 VanessaE           well, sorta
05:26 VanessaE           at 3 fps.
05:27 [0gb_us]           Wow.
05:28 [0gb_us]           That sounds like when I tried to run Minetest on Debian.
05:28 * VanessaE         sighs
05:32 VanessaE           hmmmm: your alpha fix seems to work well here (assuming it isn't causing the above-mentioned issue, which I doubt)
05:33 hmmmm              sounds horrible
05:33 hmmmm              what i did has nothing to do with what you're experiencing
05:33 VanessaE           I didn't think so.
05:38 VanessaE           well at least, homedecor uses it by default now, for the one object there that really needed it.
05:38 VanessaE           (the fancy door)
05:41 jordan4ibanez      This is very harsh. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86870#p86870 I could not find the resources to learn c++.
05:43 VanessaE           jordan4ibanez: he's right in a way - In this day and age, if you don't even have the skills to look up a tutorial in your chosen language, is it really safe to assume the ability to code even exists at all?
05:43 [0gb_us]           If you use Google (as opposed to Bing, or something), it's not hard to find C++ learning resources.
05:45 jordan4ibanez      I googled C++ tutorials for 3 weeks, and all I learned is how to write basic hello world functions. The tuts for C++ are horrendous.
05:45 jordan4ibanez      The main issue is difficulty tiers, they jump from something easy, to something complex right off.
05:46 khonkhortisan      I've never touched a <template>
05:48 jordan4ibanez      I remember that I found one that was spot on, but when the tutor talked about booleans for a half hour, I kind of nodded off.
05:48 hmmmm              oh god
05:48 hmmmm              learning C++ just like that must be horrible
05:48 hmmmm              learn C first so you actually understand what's going on
05:50 jordan4ibanez      What is the difference between C# and C++?
05:50 VanessaE           jordan4ibanez: BASIC probably has more in common with C++ than C# does ;)
05:50 [0gb_us]           C# is the microsoft fork, or so I'm told
05:51 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: I thought it was their equivalent to Java or something like that?
05:51 hmmmm              C# is an entirely different language
05:51 hmmmm              it's microsoft's version of java
05:51 [0gb_us]           Ah, got it.
05:52 jordan4ibanez      Well what's the difference between C and C++ then?
05:52 VanessaE           now, can someone explain this please?
05:52 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1328432103.png
05:52 hmmmm              C++ is C with unnecessarily stricter type checking and a lot of syntactic sugar added
05:53 VanessaE           that face between the two halves of each door.  Why?
05:53 hmmmm              you look like you're about to punch that glass door in
05:53 VanessaE           lol
05:53 hmmmm              yeah, screw that door.
05:53 VanessaE           I suppose I coulda turned off the HUD ;)
05:56 VanessaE           wait, I think I know why.
05:58 VanessaE           there, that fixed it
05:59 VanessaE           switched to using a transparent top side for the bottom half of the door, and vice-versa.
06:17 jordan4ibanez      I'm making a mod pack called "Too much", and the main point, is to cram in as much shit as possible before Minetest starts having memory issues.
06:18 Nore               why?
06:19 jordan4ibanez      Well, I wanted to see if it would be worth it to push Minetest to the limit, but now I'm just doing it because it would be rediculous.
06:20 Nore               do you think we will ever have force load?
06:21 sfan5              you could go to -dev and tell them why force_load is a super awesome feature and we really need it
06:21 Nore               there is no one on -dev now
06:22 jordan4ibanez      They probably won't listen, because someone could exploit something in some scenario it would be somewhat of a somewhat bad idea somehow, somewhere.
06:22 sfan5              Nore: there is no one on #minetest-dev ?
06:23 sfan5              you already joined that channel
06:23 Nore               well, it looks like there is no one except me, but I don't know how to see who is connected
06:24 Nore               does someone know why I get "cannot send to channel: minetest-dev"?
06:30 jordan4ibanez      Kaeza's survival mod goes perfectly with the ambience mod!
06:31 Nore               do you know why I can say nothing on minetest-dev?
06:48 jordan4ibanez      I just realized, in combining all of these mods together, they actually work really well together. :O
06:48 VanessaE           jordan4ibanez: my server pushes the current limits of the engine already :)
06:49 VanessaE           53 mods installed, somewhere just north of 4000 defined nodes, and it only uses around 150MB .
06:50 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload rssnotify
06:50 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'rssnotify' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/rssnotify.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 06:51:20)
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Actually fix shader3 alpha this time d7395cd2ab 2013-04-27T20:04:52-07:00 http://git.io/nlyclA
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Enhance caves for mgv7, add ravines 8767c78169 2013-04-27T19:40:52-07:00 http://git.io/tDN0fQ
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Minor hud.cpp cleanup 0fb9567f13 2013-04-25T17:56:12-07:00 http://git.io/YcZ7eA
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: EXio4 commited to minetest/minetest: Ability to change the crosshair using textures 43a388ec53 2013-04-25T17:07:46-07:00 http://git.io/rxhtfA
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Generalize hud_builtin_enable into hud_set_flags d3f0ce6224 2013-04-25T16:37:36-07:00 http://git.io/vQt-pQ
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Tune finite liquids, indev huge caves d83602d98e 2013-04-25T11:59:32-07:00 http://git.io/SHmmKQ
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: Zeg9 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix serverlist on -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 (use path_user instead of path_share) c33b993397 2013-04-25T10:49:28-07:00 http://git.io/wDl0Cg
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Move player collisionbox to player class 88ffb3f73b 2013-04-25T09:53:50-07:00 http://git.io/CJKqOw
06:50 MinetestBot        GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: kahrl is back 386108f982 2013-04-25T09:32:49-07:00 http://git.io/4Ae2LQ
06:50 VanessaE           whoa whoa whoa
06:50 * ShadowBot        wakes up
06:50 VanessaE           HAHAHA!
06:50 sfan5              wtf?!
06:50 sfan5              i just set the message timeout to 240
06:51 VanessaE           [04-28 02:50] * MinetestBot has quit (Excess Flood)
06:51 VanessaE           bahahaha
06:51 * ShadowBot        sleeps
06:54 sfan5              MinetestBot: quit
06:54 * ShadowBot        wakes up
06:55 * ShadowBot        sleeps
06:57 * VanessaE         pokes kaeza
06:58 kaeza              hey!
06:58 VanessaE           hey :)
06:59 * sfan5            waits for being poked..
07:00 * VanessaE         doesn't poke sfan5.
07:00 sfan5              :(
07:00 * kaeza            pokes sfan5 in the most gay way possible
07:01 kaeza              :D
07:01 sfan5              D:
07:01 VanessaE           lol
07:06 jordan4ibanez      Goodnight.
07:07 kaeza              night jordan
07:07 kaeza              I'm gonna do an Internet Explorer mod
07:08 kaeza              I'll fill up the entire screen with search bars for every site on the internet
07:10 kaeza              this is the base code: http://pastebin.com/0AxTtzuj
07:10 kaeza              I think it's pretty accurate to how IE works
07:10 VanessaE           haha
07:12 kaeza              I'm still sleepy, I can't think clearly :P
07:13 kaeza              Any news?
07:13 kaeza              today has been a slow news day...
07:13 RealBadAngel       its sunday
07:13 RealBadAngel       thats most recent news ;)
07:13 kaeza              hehe
07:13 VanessaE           kaeza: I pushed alpha support to homedecor, ENabled by default now.  HDX doors improved again.
07:14 kaeza              well... that explains a lot
07:14 RealBadAngel       and ive added hv wireing and hv batboxes
07:14 kaeza              that's cool RealBadAngel!
07:14 kaeza              jow many HV machines are there?
07:14 kaeza              how*
07:15 RealBadAngel       now im goin to add now all machines by tiers
07:15 RealBadAngel       ie all kinds of grinders, alloy furnaces etc
07:15 sfan5              MinetestBot: quit smoking cigarettes
07:15 * ShadowBot        wakes up
07:16 * ShadowBot        sleeps
07:16 sfan5              !voice kaeza
07:16 MinetestBot        NameError: global name 'ch' is not defined (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 15, in voice)
07:16 sfan5              :/
07:16 kaeza              derp
07:16 RealBadAngel       kaeza, theres no single one yet, i needed hv batboxes and wireing to be able to add them
07:16 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
07:16 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 07:16:42)
07:16 kaeza              ah ok
07:17 sfan5              !voice kaeza VanessaE
07:17 MinetestBot        NameError: global name 'inpu' is not defined (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 15, in voice)
07:17 kaeza              I haven't updated technic in a while, that's why I ask
07:17 RealBadAngel       and thought it will be easier to add all tiers of one machine at once, than addin all mv, then all hv
07:17 kaeza              the copy I have still has only a few MV machines
07:17 sfan5              !voice kaeza VanessaE
07:17 sfan5              \o/
07:17 sfan5              !devoice kaeza
07:18 kaeza              :[
07:18 RealBadAngel       now im workin on mv and hv grinders, got textures already made
07:18 kaeza              :] *
07:53 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
07:53 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 07:45:12)
07:54 sfan5              !ban sfan5
07:54 sfan5              !unban sfan5
07:54 sfan5              !ban sfan5@*.ru
07:54 sfan5              !unban sfan5@*.ru
07:54 sfan5              !ban ~ident!sfan5
07:54 sfan5              !unban ~ident!sfan5
07:54 sfan5              k, everything works fine
07:55 kaeza              !ban *Bot*!*@*
07:55 kaeza              :D
07:56 VanessaE           I think it's safe to say that it works, sfan5  :)
07:56 sfan5              kaeza: you'd need to use !ban Bot*
07:57 kaeza              some guy in #lua brought a bot to execute Lua code from IRC the other day
07:57 kaeza              he forgot to sandbox the thing lol
07:57 sfan5              !ban ~ident!someperson456@somedomain.*
07:57 sfan5              !unban ~ident!someperson456@somedomain.*
07:57 sfan5              kaeza: haha
07:57 kaeza              I ended up os.remove'ing the bot script :|
07:58 VanessaE           you hacker, you
07:58 VanessaE           ;)
07:58 kaeza              luckily the guy was smart enough to have a backup
07:58 kaeza              I guess he learned an important lesson ;)
07:59 * sfan5            has learned an important lesson when he accidently "rm *" in his home folder
07:59 kaeza              >:O
08:00 kaeza              and Jordach learned what sudo rm -fr /* means :|
08:00 sfan5              on debian you need --no-preserve-root to make it work
08:01 * kaeza            is not going to try that
08:07 * ShadowBot        wakes up
08:08 Calinou            hi
08:08 * Calinou          backstabs ShadowBot and saps their dispenser
08:08 VanessaE           hey
08:10 * ShadowBot        sleeps
08:11 kaeza              why doesn't ShadowBot give OP to MinetestBot before going to sleep?
08:12 Calinou            /kick ShadowBot
08:12 sfan5              MinetestBot didn't need op before
08:12 sfan5              Calinou: you mean !kick ShadowBot
08:16 Calinou            :p
08:16 VanessaE           is there a way to adjust how fast the view range autotuner makes its adjustments?
08:23 Calinou            no
08:23 Calinou            just disable it :P
08:23 Calinou            set min and max range to the same value
08:24 tripod             Calinou:
08:24 VanessaE           I usualyl do.
08:24 VanessaE           just wanted to get a better frame rate where it's possible, without waiting 5 minutes for the autotuner to get there :)
08:25 VanessaE           too bad farmesh is busted, I'd be using that too :)
08:29 Calinou            I use view range 128 (equivalent to minecraft's "far")
08:29 VanessaE           I lock mine at 70.
08:30 VanessaE           (256px)
08:31 FreeFull           sfan5: I think with the * lack of --no-preserve-root won't save you
08:35 kaeza              oh g*d... I hate C++
08:35 kaeza              I'd prolly make what I'm making in 5 mins if I were to code it using stdio
08:36 kaeza              C++ streams *
08:40 iqualfragile       kaeza: that would be a hardpoke
08:40 kaeza              huh?
08:41 iqualfragile       yeah, the problem with the viewrange adjuster is that it wont let the graka adjust its frequency
08:41 iqualfragile       the gayest way possible
08:42 VanessaE           graka?
08:42 Calinou            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5771 <= we need an explanation on how to use remote_media
08:42 Calinou            it's obscure as hell
08:43 iqualfragile       gaphics card
08:45 iqualfragile       Calinou: its not obscure at all, you just need to have a webserver running and lets say it is reachable at http://yourdomain:666/ and default_dirt.png would be in http://yourdomain:666/minetest/default_dirt.png
08:46 iqualfragile       then you would just set remote_media to http://yourdomain:666/minetest/
08:46 FreeFull           15MB of mods
08:47 kaeza              lol
08:47 kaeza              ambience is bigger than that
08:47 sfan5              !up yourdomain
08:47 MinetestBot        sfan5: Invalid Address
08:47 iqualfragile       sfan5: -.-
08:48 sfan5              :D
08:48 iqualfragile       15 mb of mods is not that much, realy
08:48 kaeza              just homedecor is about 3MB
08:48 iqualfragile       i have 220
08:48 iqualfragile       mb
08:49 kaeza              dafuq
08:49 kaeza              what do you have in there?
08:49 iqualfragile       but that includes the git history
08:49 iqualfragile       so its no fair comparison
08:49 iqualfragile       i should just measure the size of the textures
08:50 iqualfragile       just 19 mb
08:50 iqualfragile       but that excludes the ambience sounds…
09:12 iqualfragile       ok, 27 mb
09:23 MinetestBot        GIT: VanessaE commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #98 from RealBadAngel/patch-3 ac9a05df0b 2013-04-28T02:21:05-07:00 http://git.io/lEY85Q
09:23 MinetestBot        GIT: RealBadAngel commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Update init.lua cc20b9ba47 2013-04-28T02:18:52-07:00 http://git.io/bAT3Sg
09:23 VanessaE           that took a while to go through
09:27 Calinou            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86915#p86915 dat temp
09:27 Calinou            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86896#p86896 oops, that's the real link
09:28 VanessaE           nice image.
09:31 sfan5              VanessaE: it checks every 4 mins
09:31 VanessaE           ah
09:31 sfan5              i'm going to change that right now
09:32 * ShadowBot        wakes up
09:32 * ShadowBot        sleeps
09:34 Calinou            the ShadowBot is an ultrabook
09:36 markveidemanis     86.172.131.196
09:36 markveidemanis     Armor testing
09:36 markveidemanis     And firearms
09:40 kaeza              markveidemanis, updated teh gunz?
09:41 markveidemanis     nope, not yet
09:41 kaeza              :(
09:41 kaeza              laaaag
09:44 kaeza              somebody should fix that ugly bug where the chat text blocks other UI items
09:44 VanessaE           yes
09:46 kaeza              I wonder if it can be implemented with drawText() instead of a Label widget...
09:46 kaeza              hello webdesigner97
09:46 kaeza              !up 86.172.131.196
09:46 MinetestBot        86.172.131.196:30000 seems to be down
09:46 kaeza              Y? Y???
09:47 kaeza              markveidemanis, update firearms and remove the explosives. those are laggy as hell
09:47 markveidemanis     destructive?
09:48 kaeza              yep
09:48 markveidemanis     can you make it take the armor into account?
09:48 markveidemanis     Like a real FPS game
09:48 markveidemanis     Add kevlar!!!!
09:48 kaeza              later perhaps
09:49 kaeza              I was going to add bulletproof vest also
09:49 markveidemanis     thats literally it
09:49 markveidemanis     :D
09:49 kaeza              yep :3
09:49 markveidemanis     It hurts but it doesnt kill you
09:49 markveidemanis     just like real kevlar
09:49 markveidemanis     Stops the bullet but you still get the impact
09:49 markveidemanis     Maybe a backwards push?
09:50 kaeza              yep
09:50 kaeza              the shotgun was going to do that
09:50 kaeza              also the explosives
09:50 kaeza              rocketjump :3
09:51 Calinou            rocketjump is going to be hard to code
09:51 Calinou            knockback is very hard to do in minetest
09:52 FreeFull           It'd be easier if the rockets impacted whatever you target instantly
09:52 kaeza              a player:set_velocity() would come in handy here
09:52 VanessaE           make an invisible entity, attach, set velocity, ???, profit.
09:53 kaeza              VanessaE, :D
09:53 FreeFull           The problem is that minetest mods tend to not be fast enough I think
09:53 kaeza              john_minetest, that's what I'm turning firearms into
09:55 kaeza              (a player:set_fov() method would also be good)
10:08 markveidemanis     lightweight screen sharer?
10:15 iqualfragile       markveidemanis: gitso
10:15 iqualfragile       https://code.google.com/p/gitso/
10:22 kaeza              john_minetest, there's no callback when right-clicking with a tool... or is there one?
10:22 kaeza              the one I know of is on_place, but that requires the to point the tool at something
10:22 arsdragonfly       john_minetest :yup it'll be better if the view zooms in
10:22 kaeza              -the
10:23 PilzAdam           Hello everyone!
10:23 kaeza              hello PilzAdam
10:23 arsdragonfly       PilzAdam :hi
10:24 everyone           hi PilzAdam
10:25 kaeza              lol everyone is registered :D
10:26 arsdragonfly       :( Something is wrong with my server
10:27 arsdragonfly       I can't announce it to the main server
10:27 arsdragonfly       what could be wrong?
10:31 Calinou            arsdragonfly: show me your minetest.conf
10:31 Calinou            :P
10:32 arsdragonfly       Calinou :sorry but I'm not at home now I just happened to recall this issue
10:32 arsdragonfly       but I set server_announce to 1
10:32 arsdragonfly       isn't that enough ?
10:34 thexyz             arsdragonfly: did you build with curl?
10:35 arsdragonfly       thexyz :I added -DENABLE_CURL=1 when running cmake and I can see the main server list in game
10:35 iqualfragile       (10:45:24) iqualfragile: Calinou: its not obscure at all, you just need to have a webserver running and lets say it is reachable at http://yourdomain:666/ and default_dirt.png would be in http://yourdomain:666/minetest/default_dirt.png
10:35 iqualfragile       (10:46:29) iqualfragile: then you would just set remote_media to http://yourdomain:666/minetest/
10:39 Calinou            iqualfragile: just textures?
10:39 Calinou            media I mean
10:39 Calinou            and don't you sort stuff by mod?
10:39 thexyz             what else?
10:39 thexyz             no, you don't
10:39 Calinou            ah, ok
10:40 thexyz             remote_media is a very human-understandable setting
10:40 Calinou            arsdragonfly: set server_address (optional domain, if empty, IP is shown), server_desc (description), server_name (server name), server_url (optional server website)
10:40 thexyz             it can be explained in no words
10:40 thexyz             still
10:40 thexyz             # Specifies URL from which client fetches media instead of using UDP
10:40 thexyz             # $filename should be accessible from $remote_media$filename via cURL
10:40 thexyz             # (obviously, remote_media should end with a slash)
10:40 thexyz             # Files that are not present would be fetched the usual way
10:40 thexyz             what's not clear here?
10:41 arsdragonfly       Calinou :Thanks i'll try it out
10:41 Calinou            thexyz: ah ok
10:41 markveidemanis     I want to run a minetest server on my tablet
10:41 markveidemanis     Help me
10:41 Jordach2           markveidemanis, YOU CANT.
10:42 Calinou            lol
10:42 markveidemanis     EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE
10:42 Calinou            it isn't
10:42 arsdragonfly       Calinou :how to make minetestserver print more detailed logs btw?(like the flag --verbose)
10:42 markveidemanis     IT IS
10:42 Calinou            noone successfully compiled minetest on android
10:42 Calinou            just get a PC
10:42 Calinou            arsdragonfly: debug_log_level
10:42 Calinou            default is 2
10:42 markveidemanis     i want my tablet to make the proccesses then
10:42 Calinou            set to 1 for warnings/errors only, 3 is more verbose, 0 logs nothing
10:42 Calinou            also see minetestserver --help
10:42 markveidemanis     to assist the comp
10:43 Calinou            markveidemanis: huh?
10:43 arsdragonfly       Calinou : :D Thx
10:43 markveidemanis     add the tablets proccesing power to the computer
10:43 Calinou            that's for debug.txt arsdragonfly
10:43 Calinou            markveidemanis: you don't
10:43 Calinou            also, ARM sucks at heavy computing
10:44 sfan5              ARM is power efficent
10:44 * arsdragonfly     wants to buy a RaspberryPi and run an Apache server and a minetest server on it
10:44 sfan5              minetest server performance is poot on raspi
10:44 sfan5              Jeija has some expirence with it+
10:44 sfan5              -+
10:44 Calinou            if ARM was on same performance as x86 it would be less power efficient
10:44 Calinou            raspi is very slow ARM
10:44 Calinou            old 32 bit ARM version, 700mhz monocore
10:44 sfan5              what about AArch64?
10:44 Calinou            has nothing to do with eg. tegra 3
10:45 Calinou            it's not 64 bit
10:45 iqualfragile       Calinou: i think you can put sounds there, too but im not shure about it
10:45 sfan5              arsdragonfly: i have the announce problem too
10:46 Calinou            iqualfragile: yes, any media should work
10:46 Calinou            sfan5: works for me
10:46 markveidemanis     Lets make this simpler...
10:46 markveidemanis     Who has a server
10:46 * sfan5
10:46 arsdragonfly       sfan5 :have you checked out the verbose log?
10:46 markveidemanis     Can you host one for a day?
10:46 markveidemanis     I will give you the game&&edited common
10:47 sfan5              arsdragonfly: no, but i fixed it this way http://pastie.org/7732620
10:47 sfan5              !g hackberry
10:47 MinetestBot        sfan5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackberry
10:48 sfan5              markveidemanis: maybe..
10:49 markveidemanis     good chance to test irc and commands
10:49 markveidemanis     im not compiling that again lol
10:49 markveidemanis     Can you add them?
10:50 sfan5              john_minetest: should be possible, performance  shoudn't be too bad
10:54 celeron55          a singlecore mobile intel x86 is roughly equal to dualcore ARM: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/lava-xolo-x900-review-the-first-intel-medfield-phone/4
10:54 celeron55          8)
10:54 markveidemanis     Can i forward the server console to my tablet?
10:55 kaeza              http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86980#p86980
10:55 kaeza              what is the point in quoting and not saying anything?
10:57 kaeza              If you wanna bump, just ask if the thing is still being worked on
10:58 Jordach2           markveidemanis, use SSH
11:19 MinetestBot        GIT: VanessaE commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #100 from RealBadAngel/master 6f83f4cf1e 2013-04-28T04:18:37-07:00 http://git.io/oN_YIw
11:19 MinetestBot        GIT: RealBadAngel commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix all crafting recipes to use modern style 255e363b04 2013-04-28T03:40:08-07:00 http://git.io/_n894A
11:27 VanessaE           sfan5: is it really necessary for the bot to annouce both of those?
11:27 VanessaE           maybe the "pull request" one should be exclude din the future
11:28 PilzAdam           VanessaE, is it really necessary to merge with a merge commit?
11:28 VanessaE           PilzAdam: it's easier for me to just click a button on the github web interface than muck about with the command line.
11:28 VanessaE           also, good morning.
11:28 VanessaE           as an aside, can you get rid of the inventorycube() calls that are used on default glass?
11:29 VanessaE           oh wait, that's already been dealt with hasn't it.
11:30 VanessaE           nevermind :)
11:36 VanessaE           Calinou: https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/1733537/435625/daace1da-aff0-11e2-960c-c6bf13120512.png
11:37 Jordach2           they sorted the alpha z fighting
11:37 Jordach2           \O/
11:37 VanessaE           not entirely
11:37 VanessaE           it is still glitchy, especially with clouds, if you have no shaders
11:39 sfan5              VanessaE: PilzAdam told me the bot should print all commits not just the latest, i did that
11:43 VanessaE           *shrug* ok
11:45 VanessaE           Jordach: transparency sorting works fine if you look at a stack from the X-, X+, Z+, or Y+ side, but from the Z- and Y- sides, only the alpha closest to you is used (everything behind is still visible of course, just no layering)
11:47 VanessaE           well that's not entirely accurate, seems to depend on other factors too
11:50 kaeza              sfan5, Y U USE UNITY?? :(
11:51 kaeza              kill it with fire! and install xfce ;)
11:52 sfan5              !server name:mark
11:52 MinetestBot        sfan5: No results
11:52 Calinou            kaeza: didn't you use unity?
11:53 Calinou            also, unity is getting much better at game performance... if you play in fullscreen.
11:53 sfan5              i first thought "kill it with fire" too, but i didn't have my light.. over the time i learned to live with it
11:53 sfan5              *lighter
11:56 iqualfragile       i think that the ability to search menues is realy cool about unity
11:57 iqualfragile       and i hope that that feature will arive in other desktops soon
11:57 sfan5              !server name:markveidemanis
11:57 MinetestBot        sfan5: No results
11:57 sfan5              !help
11:57 MinetestBot        https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
11:58 sfan5              !server players:-1
11:58 MinetestBot        sfan5: markveidemanis Survival Server | 79.235.5.178 | Clients: 0/1 | Version: 0.4.6 game | ping: 0.120
11:58 sfan5              ah, found it
11:58 kaeza              Calinou, I ditched Unity long ago
11:59 kaeza              It may be possible that it got better for gaming
11:59 kaeza              still don't like the Unity interface though
12:01 * Calinou          found a DVI cable :D
12:01 Calinou            brb
12:03 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload server
12:03 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'server' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 12:04:00)
12:03 sfan5              !server players:-1
12:03 MinetestBot        sfan5: markveidemanis Survival Server | 79.235.5.178:30001 | Clients: 0/10 | Version: 0.4.6 game | ping: 0.129
12:10 Jordach            john_minetest, sudo apt-get install xfce4
12:10 sfan5              does that work?
12:14 Jordach            it might
12:14 * Jordach          doesnt know their systems, so
12:15 iqualfragile       john_minetest: in school? realy? you use linux in school?
12:15 kaeza              Jordach, not so easy IIRC
12:16 kaeza              you gota install other load of crap along with it
12:17 kaeza              john_minetest, Linux on school? :O
12:19 RealBadAngel       http://i.imgur.com/8yssTah.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u3Gh448.png http://i.imgur.com/h62Sq4Q.jpg
12:20 kaeza              RealBadAngel, :D
12:22 markveidemanis     RBA stop now and give link!
12:22 markveidemanis     I need this!!!
12:23 sfan5              ironic: "ACTION[ServerThread]: 404 times out."
12:24 kaeza              sfan5, ironic would be 408
12:24 sfan5              RealBadAngel: looks awesome
12:24 sfan5              kaeza: still ironic
12:25 kaeza              :P
12:26 kaeza              PilzAdam, related to yesterday's discussion: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86989#p86989
12:26 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1352352977.png
12:26 VanessaE           kaeza: ^^^
12:26 Calinou            yay, my fonts look worse now
12:26 Calinou            I feel like I'm using debian squeeze
12:26 Calinou            except wifi works
12:27 VanessaE           I gave the same effect to doyousketch2's stained glass
12:27 kaeza              VanessaE, that looks awesome!
12:28 VanessaE           Calinou: fonts are worse?
12:28 VanessaE           what'd you break? :P
12:29 Calinou            switched from VGA to DVI
12:29 VanessaE           ah
12:30 Calinou            my fonts are set to be smoothed, I removed RGB smoothing and used "normal" smoothing instead, but it only works in xfce settings, nowhere else
12:30 Calinou            even after a reboot
12:30 VanessaE           Calinou: so, I trust you're just about to add alpha to various moreblocks glasses? :)
12:30 VanessaE           (except for the default glass ones)
12:30 Calinou            maybe, but the sorting bug is still present
12:30 VanessaE           meh, it's playable and looks 10000x better than before :)
12:35 VanessaE           keep it subtle though, I don't wanna lose the uniqueness of homedecor glow lights ;)
12:45 VanessaE           ok, time to get some rest.  night all.
12:49 sapier             [ANNOUNCEMENT] Animals modpack 2.1 has been released. Minetest target version is 0.4.6. 2.1 is a STABLE release.
12:52 sfan5              \o/
12:53 sapier             thx I'm waiting for crash reports now ;-) ... as always right after a stable release
13:09 RealBadAngel       http://i.imgur.com/D6oy2cM.jpg
13:10 RealBadAngel       i got RGB ready
13:11 RealBadAngel       btw, glass textures are 16px if somebody asks
13:13 markveidemanis     POST LINK
13:13 markveidemanis     I really like this!!!
13:13 markveidemanis     stop teasing with screenshots now !
13:13 markveidemanis     :D
13:13 RealBadAngel       i can upload work version
13:13 RealBadAngel       hold on
13:13 markveidemanis     ok
13:14 markveidemanis     is it a nodebox?
13:14 markveidemanis     Il have fun loading 60 MB of mods now...
13:15 markveidemanis     animals...
13:15 RealBadAngel       http://realbadangel.pl/framedglass.zip
13:15 RealBadAngel       its modified framedglass that comes with technic
13:16 sfan5              markveidemanis: i installed framedglass on your server
13:16 markveidemanis     YAY
13:16 markveidemanis     im getting it too
13:17 sapier             animals is 8.5 only if you download the release zip containing only required content
13:18 kaeza              http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5778
13:18 kaeza              let the community decide
13:19 sfan5              kaeza: i voted
13:20 kaeza              sfan5, thanks
13:20 PilzAdam           kaeza, note that the poll wont be considered
13:20 kaeza              I know
13:20 PilzAdam           http://dev.minetest.net/User:Rarkenin/Proposal_System
13:20 kaeza              but at least the community will express the feelings in this topic
13:25 kaeza              PilzAdam, so you won't consider a poll, or even the discussion we had, but will do so for a proposal?
13:26 PilzAdam           of course I will look at the poll
13:26 PilzAdam           but I wont change my mind because of it
13:32 kaeza              PilzAdam, I'm not asking you to change your mind about whether or not it "ruins" survival, but you should really consider what the community thinks.
13:33 PilzAdam           a forum poll doesnt really represent the thoughts of the community
13:33 PilzAdam           a discussion in IRC or a proposal like rarekin proposed is much better
13:35 kaeza              whatever, I'm not turning this shit into a huge discussion like the stupid one about lava change. if there are enough votes, maybe a proposal will be made
13:36 sfan5              thats how you do it right
13:36 PilzAdam           also, we have a proposal about minetest_game being the "throw everything in" game
13:37 BlockMen           hi everyone
13:38 BlockMen           can someone help me with node meta? i have problems to save a table: http://pastie.org/private/5vxdyjrth8bpihedpdbhja
13:39 PilzAdam           whats the crash message?
13:39 BlockMen           no message...
13:40 PilzAdam           it just silently crashes?
13:41 kaeza              BlockMen, maybe it has problems with numerical indices?
13:42 BlockMen           PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/nC6Ni4F.png
13:43 BlockMen           kaeza, so using id["whatever"]= instead of id[0]= ?
13:43 PilzAdam           whats the strucutre of the table? can you post the output of print(dump(id)) just before the from_table call?
13:43 BlockMen           pilzadam, will try, one sec
13:43 kaeza              BlockMen, maybe, yes
13:44 kaeza              (if it's possible for your particular case)
13:45 BlockMen           PilzAdam, yep i can: "{1 = 2, 2 = 3, 3 = 4, 0 = 1}"
13:45 PilzAdam           the table should have a structure like this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L770
13:46 BlockMen           PilzAdam, ok will change.
13:46 BlockMen           but minetest shouldnt just crash then...
13:49 markveidemanis     I need help with blender
13:50 markveidemanis     I need to use model animations but with wieldview
13:50 markveidemanis     http://ompldr.org/vaTh6MQ/MT.zip
13:50 markveidemanis     both files there
13:51 sapier             and what exactly is your problem?
13:52 markveidemanis     I want my edited animations with wieldview
13:52 sapier             I did ask what your problem is not what you want ;-P
13:52 markveidemanis     I cant make...""
13:53 sapier             I suggest looking at youtube for an animation tutorial it's not something to explain in two sentences
13:56 markveidemanis     can you do it plz
13:56 markveidemanis     Im no good at 3d stuff
13:57 sapier             I'm not good either in fact I really hated creating mobf models ;-)
14:00 markveidemanis     its not mobf...
14:01 sapier             ohhh I see non mobf models are fun to create ;-)
14:03 markveidemanis     its merging the animations of 1 to the contentof another
14:05 sapier             which isn't something I have any idea how to do. Animation is (as far as I know) basic part of a model, I don't see any way to strip it from one and attach it to another.
14:05 BlockMen           PilzAdam, still crashing. thats my table now "{fields = {[1] = 1, [2] = 3, [0] = 1, [3] = 4}}"
14:06 kaeza              BlockMen, did you include the `inventory' field?
14:06 kaeza              as in {fields={...},inventory={}}
14:06 BlockMen           kaeza, it neeeds both tables?
14:07 kaeza              BlockMen, not sure, but doesn't hurt to try
14:07 BlockMen           so adding a senseless table with trash...why not :D
14:07 Calinou            hi
14:08 kaeza              BlockMen, IMHO, the inventory shouldn't be needed. If it works after adding a proper inventory table, you should file an issue on github
14:08 kaeza              hey Calinou
14:09 BlockMen           WTF....it works now.
14:09 BlockMen           thats kaeza
14:09 Calinou            well, fonts with DVI aren't that bad, I kept the settings I had before
14:09 BlockMen           *thx and PilzAdam
14:09 Calinou            however, my BIOS logo and command line stuff now appear smaller and centered :O
14:09 kaeza              BlockMen, now, that should be considered a bug
14:10 kaeza              some nodes don't need an inventory at all
14:10 BlockMen           yep
14:10 BlockMen           thats the working code:
14:10 BlockMen           local tbl = {
14:10 BlockMen           inventory = {},
14:10 BlockMen           fields = id
14:10 BlockMen           }
14:10 RealBadAngel       ok, how do you like it now? http://i.imgur.com/7Kxbkhx.png
14:11 BlockMen           just that fuking inventory = {}, needed ----grrr
14:11 kaeza              file a bug report on github and somebody will find the time to fix that
14:12 BlockMen           will do later
14:14 jin_xi             RealBadAngel: looks nice
14:15 Calinou            cool
14:15 kaeza              RealBadAngel, awesome!
14:16 Calinou            now we can beat minecraft
14:16 Calinou            also it'd be nice if ice was slightly transparent
14:16 Calinou            the newly added ice
14:17 BlockMen           RealBadAngel, looks good. But will it be possible to use old drawing if wanted?
14:18 Calinou            why would you want to do that?
14:18 Calinou            just use mods
14:19 RealBadAngel       this is without shaders and glasslike_framed
14:19 PilzAdam           Calinou, the transparent ice is not possible because its too glitchy above water
14:19 Calinou            with shaders, transparency glitches quite a lot
14:19 RealBadAngel       thats latest hmmm fixes that do glitch
14:20 BlockMen           currently the drawtype is glasslike. so maybe the new could be "fancyglass" that you can set it back.
14:20 BlockMen           Calinou, why? because i like to see just one frame ;P
14:20 RealBadAngel       glasslike_framed can be used for many purposes
14:20 RealBadAngel       like coloured glass, fluid tanks
14:21 BlockMen           RealBadAnglel so "glasslike" will be kept?
14:21 Nore               hello
14:22 sfan5              !server players:-1
14:22 MinetestBot        sfan5: sfan5's Spleefing Server | 79.235.5.178:30000 | Clients: 0/25 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.119
14:22 sfan5              wut?
14:23 sfan5              !server players:-1
14:23 MinetestBot        sfan5: markveidemanis Survival Server | 79.235.5.178:30001 | Clients: 0/10 | Version: 0.4.6 game | ping: 0.115
14:24 RealBadAngel       http://i.imgur.com/a7KkZ2J.png coloured glass at night :)
14:24 Nore               RealBadAngel, do you think force load will ever be merged? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/606
14:25 RealBadAngel       BlockMen, this is separate drawtype
14:25 RealBadAngel       Nore, it is needed and will be merged at some point
14:25 Nore               but when? it is already 3 months old
14:25 BlockMen           RealBadAngel, thats nice. Having both types is best :)
14:26 RealBadAngel       the drawtype is there for a few days already
14:27 RealBadAngel       http://realbadangel.pl/framed_glass.zip
14:27 RealBadAngel       thats current version of it
14:33 arsdragonfly       sfan5 : http://pastie.org/7732620 the brackets look strange
14:33 sfan5              which brackets?
14:34 arsdragonfly       aren't there any missing ones?
14:34 sfan5              arsdragonfly: theres something mussing
14:34 sfan5              *missing
14:34 sfan5              arsdragonfly: http://pastie.org/7733449
14:35 * Calinou          got cancer
14:36 * kaeza            got taurus
14:36 sfan5              arsdragonfly: note: you need to have curl installed and accessible from command line with "curl"
14:36 * Calinou          puts kaeza in a torus
14:37 * sfan5            opens blender and stares at the cube
14:37 Nore               does someone know why I can't speak on minetest-dev
14:37 Nore               ?
14:37 kaeza              Nore, #minetest-dev *
14:37 kaeza              (note the '#')
14:37 Calinou            maybe you need a nickserv account?
14:38 arsdragonfly       sfan5 :thanks,I'll try that out tomorrow:(
14:38 Nore               Perhaps
14:38 sfan5              Nore: i think webchat is muted on -dev
14:38 ShadowNinja        Webchat is quieted
14:38 kaeza              hey Shadow
14:39 ShadowNinja        Hello kaeza!
14:39 sfan5              !server name:Wazu
14:39 MinetestBot        sfan5: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com:30000 | Clients: 12/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.217
14:39 arsdragonfly       sfan5 : That one still looks incomplete:(
14:40 ShadowNinja        Nore: Are you using Linux?
14:40 kaeza              !server name:kaeza
14:40 MinetestBot        kaeza: No results
14:40 kaeza              huh
14:40 sfan5              arsdragonfly: it is complete
14:40 Nore               yes, I use Debian Wheezy
14:40 kaeza              !up kaeza.no-ip.org
14:40 MinetestBot        kaeza.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down
14:40 kaeza              cr*p
14:40 sfan5              kaeza: it search server.minetest.net not .ru
14:40 sfan5              *searchs
14:41 kaeza              sfan5, server is down
14:41 ShadowNinja        OK, then use irssi, xchat or hexchat.
14:41 Nore               thanks!
14:41 * sfan5            prefers XChat
14:41 ShadowNinja        s/xchat/xchat,/
14:41 ShadowBot          What ShadowNinja meant to say was: OK, then use irssi, xchat, or hexchat.
14:41 arsdragonfly       sfan5 :line 5 doesn't go after "ga"
14:41 * kaeza            prefers HexChat
14:41 kaeza              less hassle adding SASL support (it's built-in)
14:42 sfan5              arsdragonfly: thats how diff works
14:42 * ShadowNinja      Prefers irssi, uses a bouncer currently
14:42 * sfan5            also has a bouncer
14:42 ShadowNinja        sfan5: ZNC?
14:42 sfan5              yes
14:43 sfan5              if you whois me you'll see that:  * [sfan5] is connecting from *@minetest.ru
14:43 ShadowNinja        Do you know how to configure a custom away nick? I am not sure about the syntax.
14:44 sfan5              i could configure my bouncer with a fancy webinterface
14:44 kaeza              ShadowNinja, http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/png/angry-you-win-this-time!.png
14:45 sfan5              ShadowNinja: the​xyz may be able to help you
14:45 Mati^1             hi
14:45 sfan5              hi
14:46 * ShadowNinja      has too many HTRP servers running, up to port 8082 now
14:46 MinetestBot        I'm a bot.
14:46 sfan5              nore: i see you chose xchat, welcome
14:46 ShadowNinja        MinetestBot: Um duh?
14:46 nore               thanks
14:46 MinetestBot        ShadowNinja: any problems?
14:47 sfan5              i can't ctcp myself, weird..
14:47 ShadowNinja        MinetestBot: prove sfan5 isn't sending those manualy you ;-)
14:48 MinetestBot        ShadowNinja: how?
14:48 ShadowNinja        s/ you//
14:48 ShadowBot          What ShadowNinja meant to say was: MinetestBot: prove sfan5 isn't sending those manualy ;-)
14:48 ShadowNinja        MinetestBot: If you're so clever you can figure it out
14:49 MinetestBot        ShadowNinja: ...
14:49 ShadowNinja        lol
14:49 MinetestBot        No result.
14:51 ShadowNinja        Grrr, I can't do that without re-enabling ShadowBot in here, and we want to avoid conflicts
14:52 ShadowNinja        Well maybe ,,(echo test)
14:52 ShadowBot          test
14:52 ShadowNinja        But I don't think I can set the channel on that
14:56 sfan5              ,,(echo hello world!)
14:57 sfan5              :/
14:57 ShadowNinja        Only admins can use ShadowBot here
14:58 sfan5              you said i have control of ShadowBot, doesn't that mean i'm an admin
14:58 ShadowNinja        Dismiss MinetestBot or join a channel like ##minetest-0gb.us
15:00 ShadowNinja        !config networks.freenode.channels
15:00 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, sent only in a PM
15:01 ShadowNinja        <ShadowBot> ##jesseh ##minetest-0gb.us ##mt-irc-mod #minetest
15:02 BlockMen           how do i get all nodes with name="whatever" without using an abm??
15:03 ShadowNinja        for key, node in pairs(minetest.registered_nodes) do?
15:05 Calinou            ShadowNinja: HTRP?
15:05 kaeza              BlockMen, this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1246
15:07 BlockMen           ShadowNinja, can i get the pos of them with using that?
15:07 ShadowNinja        Oh, no, why do you want that?
15:07 BlockMen           because i need the pos for set meta
15:08 BlockMen           kaeza, could work. is there a max for radius?
15:08 ShadowNinja        For what? can you use on_consttuct?
15:08 BlockMen           ShadowNinja, unfortunetly not
15:08 jojoa1997          hi
15:09 ShadowNinja        Mapgen?
15:09 kaeza              "hi" -> left
15:09 sfan5              YAYYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAAYAYYYAYAYAY!!!1!111! it works!!!!
15:09 kaeza              who understands this guy?
15:09 BlockMen           no, it needs to be done when world gets loaded, not when created
15:09 ShadowNinja        lol
15:09 kaeza              BlockMen, it would help if we knew what you are doing
15:10 kaeza              trying to do *
15:10 ShadowNinja        sfan5: What worked?
15:10 BlockMen           kaeza, because particle spawner disappear when u leave the game they need to be set again when world is loaded
15:11 sfan5              ShadowNinja: the whole purpose of worldedit++ is just one thing, and i added that to worldedit
15:11 kaeza              hmm
15:11 sfan5              +thing
15:11 ShadowNinja        But what about multiplayer?
15:11 ShadowNinja        OK, good.
15:12 kaeza              Likwid replied to my topic
15:12 BlockMen           ShadowNinja, i thought they are shown in general, except you set a player when spawing them
15:12 kaeza              should've guessed what the message would be
15:12 BlockMen           https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1145
15:13 kaeza              BlockMen, adding weather?
15:13 ShadowNinja        Hmmm, are existing particlespawnets sent to new clients?
15:13 BlockMen           nope
15:13 BlockMen           *shaowninja, i hope so
15:14 BlockMen           if not i could use on_join and then set spawner to player
15:14 BlockMen           that would also work
15:14 ShadowNinja        Well I think they should be more advanced, they should also save.
15:14 BlockMen           ok, i figuered out a workaround (i guess)
15:15 BlockMen           thx anyway Shadowninja and kaeza
15:15 ShadowNinja        sfan5: Why is MinetestBot oped? Can it do something with those ops?
15:15 kaeza              BlockMen, np
15:15 sfan5              ShadowNinja: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/chop.py
15:15 ShadowNinja        You're welcome.
15:16 ShadowNinja        sfan5: ShadowBot has all that and more
15:16 ShadowNinja        !list Channel
15:16 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, iban, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, listbans, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, (1 more message)
15:16 ShadowNinja        !more
15:16 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: and voice
15:17 sfan5              ShadowNinja: theres no halfop on freenode, chop.py is not done yet
15:17 ShadowNinja        I know
15:17 Calinou            who ever used halfop :P
15:19 sfan5              Calinou: the people at euIRCnet use it
15:22 Calinou            there is almost no different with op
15:22 ShadowNinja        sfan5: You need to be a bot admin to use them. Mine can grant access to only certain people, in only a certain channel, to only some commands.
15:24 ShadowNinja        If you identify with it I can give you access. But it will only work when MinetestBot isn't around.
15:27 kahrl              random minetest statistics of the day: http://i.imgur.com/6s6qguY.png
15:28 kahrl              (the drop in april 2011 is when main() was split into main() and the_game())
15:37 kahrl              does anyone know how to tell gnuplot to show a sensible date format?
15:37 kahrl              I hate this M/D/Y crap
15:41 jojoa1997          hi
15:42 kahrl              nvm found it
15:51 ShadowNinja        Um, biased? lol http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FreeNode
15:51 BlockMen           can i get the view_range with minetest.setting_getbool()?
15:51 BlockMen           or is it clientside?
15:51 PilzAdam           its clientside
15:52 BlockMen           hmm...
15:52 BlockMen           what is the default?
15:52 ShadowNinja        In singleplayer you can get client settings
15:52 ShadowNinja        defaultsettings.cpp
15:52 BlockMen           thx
15:52 kahrl              improved graph: http://i.imgur.com/kUvJ28c.png
15:53 PilzAdam           BlockMen, 35 to 160 based on loaded blocks / FPS
15:53 kaeza              ShadowNinja, LOL
15:54 PilzAdam           ShadowNinja, that fits how the community sees the core devs ;-)
15:54 ShadowNinja        lol
15:54 kaeza              yep
15:55 sfan5              when doing mass operation regexes are really useful
15:55 jojoa1997          hmmmm how is the realms coming?
15:56 hmmmm              great
15:56 jojoa1997          ok good
15:56 jojoa1997          will we be seeing nether anytime soon
15:56 jojoa1997          ?
15:56 hmmmm              yup
15:57 jojoa1997          time frame?
15:57 hmmmm              whenever it gets done
15:57 jojoa1997          cause i really don't want to add nether mod to minitest
15:57 jojoa1997          ok
15:57 PilzAdam           I already have the portals ready
15:57 * jojoa1997        waits another year
15:57 jojoa1997          WHAT!?
15:58 jojoa1997          is there anywhere i can get this?
15:58 jojoa1997          or is it not out yet
15:58 hmmmm              i'm not really sure what this has to do with core development though
15:58 hmmmm              seems like it should be a #minetest conversation
15:58 jojoa1997          we are in #minetest
15:58 hmmmm              oh
15:58 hmmmm              shit
15:58 ShadowNinja        lol
15:58 jojoa1997          :-)
15:59 jojoa1997          what is the prob
15:59 jojoa1997          ?
15:59 jojoa1997          pilzadam quartz will be added to minitest
16:07 Jordach2           oh for fuck sakes
16:07 Jordach2           cant even login
16:09 Jordach2           thexyz, your bot detection is over sensitive
16:10 Jordach2           fyi, i use atuo login
16:11 ShadowNinja        Jordach2: The issue is with detecting chrome I think, try annother beowser.
16:11 Jordach2           ShadowNinja, bullshit
16:11 ShadowNinja        browser*
16:11 Jordach2           i used it in chrome on linux fine
16:12 kaeza              Jordach2, seems to be a problem with User-Agent under Windows+Chrome
16:12 ShadowNinja        Me too, but chrome mobile doesn't work
16:12 Jordach2           lies.
16:13 Jordach2           ShadowNinja, works on iPad
16:13 ShadowNinja        +For android
16:15 kaeza              Jordach2, see if this works http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/12/changing-user-agent-new-google-chrome.html
16:16 kaeza              (the real solution would be that thexyz fixes the bot of course)
16:16 kaeza              +detection
16:19 jojoa1997          i keep getiing this error http://pastebin.com/pszXBT8z
16:19 * jojoa1997        pasting code now
16:21 [0gb_us]           Three of Jordach. He's multiplying.
16:21 jojoa1997          here is the code http://pastebin.com/BxinsBWu
16:21 jojoa1997          someone please help
16:21 ShadowNinja        Does it depend on default?
16:21 jojoa1997          ah
16:22 jojoa1997          it has depends not depends.txt
16:22 ShadowNinja        Well windows messes with filename extensions and hides them...
16:22 jojoa1997          yay it works now onto my other bugs
16:22 sapier             only if you allow windows to hide them
16:23 ShadowNinja        sapier: Yep, I always disable that, if I don't wipe the system and install Linux that is ;-)
16:24 sapier             me too hiding filename extentions is one of worst ideas microsoft ever had
16:24 kaeza              ^
16:24 jojoa1997          is this right?
16:24 kaeza              hey rubenwardy
16:24 jojoa1997          potions.register_potion("Instant Health II", "pink", 1,
16:24 jojoa1997          function(itemstack, user, pointed_thing)
16:24 jojoa1997          local hp = user:get_hp
16:24 jojoa1997          local hp_raise = hp + 12
16:24 jojoa1997          user:set_hp(hp_raise)
16:24 jojoa1997          end,
16:24 kaeza              jojoa1997, pastebin pls
16:24 Calinou            hey, download holidays.jpg.eye, it's a pic about holidays
16:24 Calinou            .exe*
16:25 rubenwardy         hi all
16:25 [0gb_us]           I don't have the file extension hiding because I'm not on WIndows, but I do disable the hiding of files that start with a dot or end with a tilde.
16:25 kahrl              s/get_hp/get_hp()/
16:25 jojoa1997          http://pastebin.com/pChQR2ew
16:26 sapier             wasn't there something like eat some time? I don't know what happens if you set something about max health
16:27 sapier             s/about/above/
16:27 thexyz             kaeza: Jordach: you are all bots, don't talk to me
16:28 kaeza              lol
16:28 jojoa1997          is there a way to have something repeat a function say every 3 seconds
16:28 * [0gb_us]         isn't surprised
16:28 jojoa1997          thexyz hi
16:28 kaeza              jojoa1997, use a globalstep with a timer
16:28 [0gb_us]           jojoa1997: Build a function, then use nested minetest.after().
16:29 ShadowNinja        jojoa1997: ^ or minetest.after in a loop
16:29 kaeza              (or call minetest.after() at the end of the callback)
16:29 [0gb_us]           kaeza's idea might be better, I don't know.
16:29 jojoa1997          so use minetest.after in a functiona dn at the end of the function make it do the function over again
16:29 kaeza              yep
16:29 ShadowNinja        thexyz: Do you know how I can set a custom away nick for ZNC?
16:30 jojoa1997          idk how to do what kaeza said
16:30 ShadowNinja        look at the irc mod code and change the time
16:32 kaeza              jojoa1997, http://pastebin.com/E3xBeW66
16:32 ShadowNinja        minetest.after(1, my_func)*
16:33 kaeza              ShadowNinja, already fixed, refresh paste ;)
16:37 PilzAdam           on_globalstep() is recommended for timer things, since after() is not very reliable
16:38 PilzAdam           after() uses on_globalstep() too, so you dont loose any accuracy
16:39 PilzAdam           new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
16:42 Kacey              someone should make a windowsinstaller
16:42 jojoa1997          yes that automatically compiles too
16:43 kaeza              Kacey, I made one long ago
16:43 jojoa1997          no nvm i like to keep mine portable
16:43 jojoa1997          regen potions now works
16:44 PilzAdam           <jojoa1997> yes that automatically compiles too <- that isnt really an installer, then
16:44 PilzAdam           just a script that runs a compiler
16:44 jojoa1997          ok
16:44 kaeza              Kacey, I only made the script; if someone wants to take it and try to make an installer, it'd be welcome
16:45 kaeza              I may provide one myself once 0.4.7 (0.5.0? [1.0.0??]) is released
16:45 rubenwardy         I am at my broadband's cap
16:46 rubenwardy         use this script, mind: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5397343
16:46 rubenwardy         I am providing them for official builds
16:46 sfan5              fuck yeah! everything works as expected
16:47 kaeza              rubenwardy, that is mah script!!
16:47 PilzAdam           sfan5, your node queue processing is way too slow
16:47 jojoa1997          how do i enable ravines
16:47 rubenwardy         kaeza: I updated  it and improved it
16:47 sfan5              PilzAdam: i set operations per globalstep to 5 for testing..
16:48 kaeza              rubenwardy, I know, mine was very basic
16:48 PilzAdam           512 works fine for everything without dig_node()
16:48 PilzAdam           (see WE++)
16:49 jojoa1997          how do i enable ravines
16:49 PilzAdam           jojoa1997, please dont double post
16:51 jojoa1997          well how
16:52 Xenorax            Click edit.
16:52 jojoa1997          ?
16:52 BlockMen           jojoa1997, if you havent solved your timer function yet, take a look at that: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85244#p85244
16:53 BlockMen           all other: bye
17:06 rubenwardy         spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5781
17:08 MinetestBot        GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add Block Queue 5e5c1dc6c3 2013-04-28T10:08:09-07:00 http://git.io/xZXToQ
17:09 sfan5              rubenwardy: banned
17:12 bas080             is stairplus mod gone?
17:12 bas080             I cannot find it on the forums
17:13 [0gb_us]           Stairsplus nodes were moved to moreblocks.
17:13 bas080             ty 0gb_us.
17:13 * [0gb_us]         renames moreblocks to morenodes
17:17 * [0gb_us]         builds a new moreblocks plugin that adds more blocks to the game, making the map bigger
17:18 jojoa1997          are transparaent pngs supported by minetest
17:18 Jordach2           jojoa1997, only in latest git
17:18 [0gb_us]           Not partial transparency, but full transparency is.
17:18 jojoa1997          what would happen if it isnt the latest git?
17:19 [0gb_us]           The images wouldn't look right.
17:19 jojoa1997          so no pertial transparency in latest :/
17:19 bas080             Maybe i have a old version but when i have stairplus installed i cannot craft items that contain stairs:stair_wood. It overrides the recipe. can aliases fix this?
17:19 [0gb_us]           I know, I answered for in stable. In stable, partial transparency is not suported.
17:20 [0gb_us]           I don't know how to use aliases to fix that, but it might be possible.
17:21 sfan5              !server players:least
17:21 MinetestBot        sfan5: Spanish Server | 198.211.125.161:30000 | Clients: 0/50 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.119
17:22 sfan5              !server players:most
17:22 MinetestBot        sfan5: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com:30000 | Clients: 17/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.212
17:26 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload server
17:26 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'server' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 17:27:09)
17:32 ShadowNinja        VanessaE: I had an idea, a mass highlight kick. If more that say 10 highlights are found in a message you are kicked, same for mass badwords
17:34 NakedFury          I like that shadow
17:34 NakedFury          easier than it is to wait for that same user to spam that msg many times
17:35 * [0gb_us]         logs in with several accounts with names that are common words
17:36 * rubenwardy       is wondering what to do...
17:38 * [0gb_us]         logs in as: a, an, the, Minetest, game, node, block, mod, Lua, C, jungle, dungeon, desert, beach, I, if, and more
17:39 [0gb_us]           I'll watch how people speak, and learn what other words I need to log in as to kick everyone.
17:39 sfan5              ShadowNinja: 10 is too high
17:40 [0gb_us]           But it keeps sentences with nine or fewer words safe.
17:40 sfan5              5 is better, nobody will every legitimately highlight more than 5 people in one sentence
17:42 rubenwardy         It would be hilarious if the script was buggy
17:42 sfan5              yeah
17:42 sfan5              :D
17:42 rubenwardy         kicked everyone that said anything
17:43 [0gb_us]           THat's the plan with my common word nicks.
17:43 [0gb_us]           I'll get notified, and they'll get kicked.
17:43 * [0gb_us]         is such a trouble maker sometimes
17:44 rubenwardy         xsfan5x
17:44 rubenwardy         ^ did that highlight you?
17:44 [0gb_us]           Hmm. Loopholes ....
17:46 * [0gb_us]         will have to find another way to prank people
17:47 * [0gb_us]         logs in as the RealBadAngel look-alike, RealBadAngle
17:47 rubenwardy         lol
17:47 RealBadAngle       that is registered
17:47 [0gb_us]           Sorry, My name.
17:47 sfan5              rubenwardy: no
17:48 RealBadAngle       Jojoa accidentally typed the letters out of order once, so I scooped up this name.
17:49 RealBadAngle       Though I usually use it as RealBadAngle|361, to make sure people don't mix us up.
17:49 sfan5              what about RaalBedAngel
17:50 [Ogb_ud]           damn
17:51 RealBadAngle|361   My name contains no O. Foolishness!
17:51 [Ogb_us]           mww ha ha ha
17:51 [Ogb_us]           will still confuse people
17:52 * RealBadAngle|361 still regrets the zero in his name, but there is no fix at this point
17:52 markveidemanis     spam5
17:53 RealBadAngle|361   Only the worst of angles have more than 360 degrees or less than -360.
17:53 RealBadAngle|361   Hey, StrayBytes.
17:54 Guest89133         Hello!
17:54 Guest89133         Stupid nickserv...
17:54 * RealBadAngle|361 wishes NickServe could put a one second login time on his account
17:55 RealBadAngle|361   *nickServ
17:55 RealBadAngle|361   *NickServ
17:55 RealBadAngle|361   One of these times, I'll spell it correctly.
17:58 Jordach2           hey hey
17:58 Jordach2           dont make me get VanessaE to kick nick spam
17:59 sfan5              Jordach2: you don't need to get VanessaE, i just need to type !kick whoever_you_want
17:59 Jordach2           ^ lazy
17:59 rubenwardy         !kick Jordach2
17:59 Jordach2           rubenwardy, its nick based
17:59 rubenwardy         I know
18:10 jojoa1997          kaeza ping
18:10 kaeza              polo
18:11 jojoa1997          how do i load dguns in firearms
18:11 kaeza              shift+click
18:11 jojoa1997          also your ray mod
18:12 jojoa1997          you could have blocks e lightened when looking through sniper or whatever gun you want
18:17 Nesdood007         Hello
18:18 rubenwardy         Bye
18:19 rubenwardy         lol
18:19 rubenwardy         Here today, gone [s]tomorrow[/s] 50 seconds later
18:29 MinetestBot        GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: WorldEdit 0.6 522edf1cd4 2013-04-28T11:27:25-07:00 http://git.io/iqB0yQ
18:31 jordan4ibanez      It would be creepy if graveyards, could generate under water. Let's try that.
18:32 RealBadAngle|361   Why only underwater? I think having them on land would be cool too.
18:32 * RealBadAngle|361 wants graveyards now
18:33 jordan4ibanez      What? No, they don't generate under water now. I am working on a way to get them to generate, so that if a player runs across one, they're startled.
18:33 jordan4ibanez      This is the creepiest way they spawn; http://i.imgur.com/URZyMYv.jpg.
18:34 RealBadAngle|361   ...
18:34 RealBadAngle|361   Oh, awesome!
18:36 [0gb_us]           That would be a great addition.
18:37 Calinou            suddenly: they are generated in lua, so core devs won't add it to the default game
18:37 jordan4ibanez      Plot twist: They use worldedit, so good fawking luck adding that!
18:45 rubenwardy         WTF, my site got no visits between 25-31 march! must have been down
18:45 rubenwardy         It normally get 300-480 visits
18:48 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
18:48 jordan4ibanez      I finally found the elusive mickey mouse tree. http://i.imgur.com/Op66FR8.png
18:48 MinetestBot        IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 28)
18:49 jojoa1997          hi all
18:50 [0gb_us]           jordan4ibanez: I see those all the time.
18:50 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
18:50 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 18:51:20)
18:50 [0gb_us]           jojoa1997: Hello.
18:50 MinetestBot        IndexError: no such group (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 136, in badword_watcher)
18:50 sfan5              !badword off
18:50 MinetestBot        IndexError: no such group (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 136, in badword_watcher)
18:50 sfan5              wtf
18:50 MinetestBot        IndexError: no such group (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 136, in badword_watcher)
18:50 sfan5              MinetestBot: quit
18:50 * ShadowBot        wakes up
18:51 rubenwardy         chop?
18:52 sfan5              CHannel OP
18:52 sfan5              and no.. that modules does not chop onions for you
18:54 rubenwardy         I was thinking more along the lines of chopping people's heads of
18:54 rubenwardy         *off
18:54 sfan5              haha
18:55 rubenwardy         SH1T FOCK POTATO MINECRAFT... chop
18:55 sfan5              rubenwardy: i may actually add "chop!" as the kick message
18:56 rubenwardy         yeah lol
18:56 rubenwardy         nice to know that I am of advise-al value
18:57 * ShadowBot        sleeps
18:57 MinetestBot        IndexError: no such group (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 136, in badword_watcher)
18:57 sfan5              MinetestBot: quit
18:57 MinetestBot        IndexError: no such group (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 136, in badword_watcher)
18:57 * ShadowBot        wakes up
18:57 rubenwardy         poor ShadowBot
18:58 rubenwardy         must be a restless night for him
18:58 sfan5              yeah
18:58 jojoa1997          how do i turn on ravines
19:00 * ShadowBot        sleeps
19:00 MinetestBot        IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 18, in num_badwords)
19:00 rubenwardy         lol
19:00 MinetestBot        IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 18, in num_badwords)
19:00 sfan5              MinetestBot: quit
19:00 rubenwardy         lol
19:00 MinetestBot        IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 18, in num_badwords)
19:00 * ShadowBot        wakes up
19:02 rubenwardy         can I test?
19:02 rubenwardy         sfan5 PilzAdam, RealBadAngel, thexyz, VanessaE, AndrewPH
19:03 rubenwardy         oh, idiot
19:03 sfan5              rubenwardy: chop.py has no highlighting kick yet
19:03 rubenwardy         hmm
19:03 * ShadowBot        sleeps
19:03 MinetestBot        UnboundLocalError: local variable 'rgx' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 29, in num_badwords)
19:03 sfan5              !badword off
19:03 MinetestBot        UnboundLocalError: local variable 'rgx' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 29, in num_badwords)
19:03 sfan5              test
19:04 jojoa1997          how do i stop minetest from using mg_name = v7
19:06 [0gb_us]           Delete the mg_name = v7 line.
19:06 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
19:06 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 19:07:00)
19:06 sfan5              test
19:06 sfan5              works!
19:06 sfan5              1 fuck 2 fucks 3 fucks 4 fucks 5 fucks
19:06 sfan5              hmm
19:06 jojoa1997          sfan5 it keeps coming back
19:21 kaeza              this looks fun
19:21 sfan5              MinetestBot: 1 fuck 2 fucks 3 fucks 4 fucks 5 fucks
19:21 kaeza              MinetestBot, fuck you
19:22 sfan5              yay!
19:22 kaeza              lol
19:22 kaeza              MinetestBot, fuck you
19:22 kaeza              ?
19:22 sfan5              kaeza: you need to give more than 4 fucks to get kicked
19:22 kaeza              fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
19:23 kaeza              derp
19:23 jojoa1997          is there a way i can join two plyers into a local world with one client
19:23 kaeza              fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
19:23 kaeza              lol
19:23 kaeza              ...
19:24 kaeza              :D
19:24 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
19:24 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.pyc'> (version: 2013-04-28 19:22:30)
19:24 sfan5              fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
19:24 sfan5              ...
19:24 kaeza              [16:23:12] * Has sido expulsado de #minetest por MinetestBot (CHOP!)
19:24 sfan5              apparently the badwordlist doesn't get reloaded
19:25 sfan5              ..or my regex is wrong
19:25 kaeza              flood control works?
19:26 sfan5              flood... not yet
19:26 Calinou            "well, fuck." me in #minecrafthelp @ espernet
19:27 Calinou            didn't get caught :p
19:27 kaeza              Calinou, they got used to read "this game is bad as fuck"
19:32 StrayBytes         To everyone here: I've grown insanely tired of this engine feature war. You may find me at my Java project, Mosstest(unless I rename it eventually).
19:37 VanessaE           ShadowNinja: mass highlights/curses = ban, yes definitely.
19:37 VanessaE           hmmmm: the alpha feature you added doesn't seem to have an impact on performance at all
19:38 VanessaE           (large planes of tinted, single-node glass have no measurable effect on fps anyway)
19:41 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
19:41 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 19:42:20)
19:41 sfan5              !badword reload
19:41 MinetestBot        error: unbalanced parenthesis (file "/usr/lib/python2.6/re.py", line 245, in _compile)
19:41 sfan5              wat?
19:41 MinetestBot        error: unbalanced parenthesis (file "/usr/lib/python2.6/re.py", line 245, in _compile)
19:41 sfan5              !badword off
19:41 MinetestBot        error: unbalanced parenthesis (file "/usr/lib/python2.6/re.py", line 245, in _compile)
19:42 sfan5              test
19:48 * VanessaE         is still in scrollback, reading
19:50 kaeza              sfan5 whatcha testing now?
19:50 sfan5              chop
19:50 sfan5              (badword=
19:50 sfan5              s/=/)/
19:51 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
19:51 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 19:51:24)
19:51 sfan5              !badword reload
19:52 VanessaE           there we go.
19:53 VanessaE           re: mass highlights/badwords:  only if the user does substantially the same thing twice in a row
19:53 VanessaE           (otherwise it might kick a few legit uses, like if one of us fucking goes of on a G*d damn rant ;-)
19:54 VanessaE           (ran out of places to curse ;) )
19:54 Jordach2           ugh
19:55 Jordach2           were turning into goody two shoes
19:55 Jordach2           fuck that shit
19:55 [0gb_us]           Who would go on a rant on this channel?
19:55 VanessaE           Jordach2: nononono
19:55 VanessaE           Jordach2: it's to boot out the flooders who just spam the channel with nicks or too many expletives over and over
19:55 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: hah!
19:55 Jordach2           so shit shit shit.... etc
19:56 Jordach2           BUT
19:56 kaeza              I don't feel very good about badword filters
19:56 Jordach2           leaving the bots in the OP position
19:56 VanessaE           Jordach2: like this:
19:56 Jordach2           is bad in case they get hacked
19:56 kaeza              most of the time it kicks legit usage of bad words
19:56 * sfan5            removed the "not so hard badwords" from the list
19:56 VanessaE           [04-26 08:53] <alanroger> ecube Exio loggingbot_ NakedFury nyuszika7h sfan5 Someguy123 VanessaE xyecube Exio loggingbot_ NakedFury nyuszika7h sfan5 Someguy123 VanessaE xyecube Exio loggingbot_ NakedFury nyuszika7h sfan5 Someguy123 VanessaE xy
19:56 sfan5              anyway, everyone take a look at http://sfan5.minetest.net/badwords.txt and tell me what needs to change
19:57 sfan5              VanessaE: chop.py will handle that later too
19:57 VanessaE           or the same guy under different nicks, spewing forth nothing but a long string of expletives.
19:57 Jordach2           lost it at: raw Carpet Muncher
19:57 Exio               VanessaE: is spamming other time needed?
19:57 VanessaE           Exio:  potentially.
19:58 VanessaE           I have no issue myself with ranting and cursing - use it all you want
19:58 Jordach2           thexyz, possible soloution to the bots
19:58 Jordach2           check the screen res
19:58 Jordach2           most bots dont have it
19:58 VanessaE           it's when you go overboard or you just use it as a way to flood the channel
19:59 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
19:59 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 19:59:49)
19:59 Exio               Jordach2: some users don't have javascript enabled either
19:59 sfan5              its chopping time!
19:59 kaeza              sfan5, Ŧµ©ĸ ¥Ωµ
19:59 nyuszika7h         VanessaE: ...
19:59 sfan5              !kick kaeza
19:59 VanessaE           ?
19:59 VanessaE           nyuszika7h: hm?
19:59 kaeza              sfan5, lol
19:59 sfan5              kaeza: theres still a manual way ;)
19:59 nyuszika7h         VanessaE: why did you paste the mass highlight of the spammer ._.
20:00 nyuszika7h         you do realize you just masshighlighted people
20:00 Jordach2           i still think its wrong to have an automated machine do it
20:01 ecube              VanessaE: what?
20:01 VanessaE           nyuszika7h: to show Jordach2 that there is an actual problem with it.
20:01 nyuszika7h         VanessaE: ...
20:01 VanessaE           ecube: nevermind.  example only.
20:01 kaeza              nyuszika7h, if this will prevent you know who from doing it, isn't it worth the ping?
20:01 nyuszika7h         repasting spam = bad
20:01 nyuszika7h         lrn2pastebin
20:01 nyuszika7h         ...
20:01 nyuszika7h         you all don't get the point
20:01 VanessaE           nyuszika7h: um, I advise you not to warn ME of that :)
20:02 nyuszika7h         VanessaE: sorry, no offense intended, please don't ban me for this, but really I'd not expect *this* from an op
20:02 VanessaE           nyuszika7h: relax
20:03 VanessaE           repasting spam = know your enemy
20:03 nyuszika7h         sfan5: what bot is MinetestBot?
20:03 nyuszika7h         looks like phenny/jenni
20:03 sfan5              nyuszika7h: its phenny
20:03 nyuszika7h         ah
20:08 kaeza              sfan5, serously speaking, you forgot "fak" and variations
20:08 sfan5              kaeza: i just copied some list from the internet
20:09 Exio               what
20:09 Exio               are badwords banned now?
20:09 sfan5              !badword reload
20:09 sfan5              kaeza: added
20:10 kaeza              fakfakfakfakfak
20:10 kaeza              fak fak fak fak fak fak
20:10 kaeza              derp
20:10 VanessaE           heh
20:11 VanessaE           Exio: only in copious amounts
20:11 Exio               ah, perfect
20:11 VanessaE           (because then it goes from being a simple "FUCK!!" to "let's spam the channel and piss off everyone we possibly can"
20:12 kaeza              "a common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
20:13 VanessaE           heh
20:13 kaeza              (of course, you can always make it more foolproof ;) )
20:13 Exio               f**k you motherf**cker damn you f**cking 1d|ot - go to hell b1tch
20:13 Exio               :D
20:14 VanessaE           THAT will take some effort to match
20:17 * kahrl            goes to work on his brushite ore and cocktail mixing mods
20:18 VanessaE           brushite ore?
20:18 kahrl              mineral. whatever :P
20:18 sfan5              !badword on
20:18 sfan5              !badword reload
20:18 kaeza              wut
20:18 kaeza              "knob" is a bad word?
20:19 VanessaE           sfan5: worldedit block queue?  NICE!!!
20:19 sfan5              VanessaE: YES IK!!!!
20:19 jordan4ibanez      Time to try MOBF again.
20:19 * VanessaE         git pulls
20:20 sfan5              john_minetest: http://sfan5.minetest.net/badwords.txt
20:20 sfan5              VanessaE: it also works with node metadate
20:20 sfan5              *data
20:20 VanessaE           nice
20:20 VanessaE           deployed it to my server
20:21 PilzAdam           sfan5, how does WE handle many commands at once?
20:21 sfan5              PilzAdam: it just gets pushed onto the queue
20:21 sfan5              john_minetest: me too ;)
20:22 VanessaE           PilzAdam, Calinou: can you add ^[transformR180  to some sides of the various stone bricks so that they're properly UV-mapped?
20:22 VanessaE           moreblocks bricks, default bricks, etc.
20:22 PilzAdam           wut?
20:23 Calinou            k, I'll do that later :) have to go, bye
20:23 VanessaE           PilzAdam: make the textures line up going around corners, so that the sides match the front and the bricks don't look like they'd have to be prisms
20:23 VanessaE           Calinou: ok
20:24 VanessaE           or not R180, but rather ^[transformFY
20:25 kaeza              sfan5, I see some superfluous words in there
20:25 sfan5              MinetestBot: reload chop
20:25 MinetestBot        sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-04-28 20:26:45)
20:25 sfan5              !badword on
20:25 MinetestBot        done.
20:25 kaeza              namely "h4x0r" and "knob"
20:26 sfan5              !badword enable
20:26 MinetestBot        done.
20:26 VanessaE           PilzAdam: calinou did something similar with the various "checker" blocks in moreblocks - the black and grey squares on one side are rotated relative to adjacent sides, so that the block looks like it's made up of little black and grey cubes
20:26 kaeza              also, I'm not sure if "nazi" is a bad word per-se
20:27 VanessaE           kaeza: I would say no, depending on the context
20:27 kaeza              oh right, german laws
20:27 VanessaE           (some Germans might disagree of course....and I am of German descent - go figure)
20:27 VanessaE           john_minetest: look up regular expressions
20:27 sfan5              !badword reload
20:27 MinetestBot        done.
20:28 VanessaE           john_minetest: .* means "repeat the last phrase indefinitely" if I remember right.
20:28 kaeza              erhm no
20:28 kaeza              '.' matches any char
20:28 VanessaE           kaeza: somehow I don't think that applies here :)
20:28 kaeza              .* zero or more occurrences of any char
20:28 sfan5              kaeza is right
20:28 sfan5              !badword reload
20:28 MinetestBot        done.
20:29 kaeza              so badword.* matches anything that begins with 'badword'
20:29 VanessaE           oh ok
20:29 VanessaE           well it's been ages since I last used a regex
20:29 VanessaE           damn things confuse me
20:30 sfan5              any requests to remove/add something to the badword list?
20:30 kaeza              VanessaE, echo "aaabccc" | sed -e 's/a./x/g'
20:31 kahrl              add 'minecraft' :P
20:31 kaeza              result should be "xaxbccc"
20:31 * [0gb_us]         suggests adding certain peoples' names to the list
20:31 jordan4ibanez      The forum, she won't load.
20:31 * kaeza            suggests [0gb_us]
20:32 jordan4ibanez      There we go.
20:32 * kaeza            also tried to tab-complete "suggests"
20:32 sfan5              jordan4ibanez: thexyz just timed out, maybe thats related
20:32 sfan5              john_minetest: yes
20:32 * sfan5            'll go to bed now
20:32 [0gb_us]           Let's add MinetestBot and ShadowBot to the list.
20:32 * sfan5            just tried to use Ctrl+D to exit irc...
20:33 sfan5              [0gb_us]: sure
20:33 [0gb_us]           Good night.
20:33 kaeza              night sfan
20:33 VanessaE           night, sfan5|OFF
20:34 VanessaE           oops, missed
20:34 jordan4ibanez      Goodnight sfan5|OFF. http://i.imgur.com/UGt8ghH.gif
20:37 [0gb_us]           OOH! Add: .*[0-9].*
20:38 [0gb_us]           Digits are forbidden here.
20:38 jordan4ibanez      You guys should help me dislike every single one of this guy's videos. http://www.youtube.com/user/YellForYozzi
20:41 [0gb_us]           Why dislike them?
20:41 * [0gb_us]         doesn't know who that is
20:42 kaeza              jordan4ibanez, rofl cod
20:42 VanessaE           why dislike?
20:43 Exio               kaeza: ping?
20:43 jordan4ibanez      I know I know, it is one of my brother's friends, and he tried to go on an unfriending spree on my channel, and he is going to try to make multiple accounts to dislike my videos, I just want to get the point across.
20:43 kaeza              Exio, polo
20:43 jordan4ibanez      Unliking.* Too much Facebook.
20:44 [0gb_us]           Ping Polo. Is that a new Minetest IRC thing?
20:45 [0gb_us]           Maybe. The brother that is better with computers.
20:59 ShadowNinja        VanessaE: Ten bad words -> host ban now
20:59 ShadowNinja        Now fir hilight
21:00 VanessaE           host ban?  so the whole class-A?
21:00 ShadowNinja        s/fir/for/
21:00 ShadowBot          What ShadowNinja meant to say was: Now for hilight
21:00 VanessaE           hah!
21:00 ShadowNinja        The banmask style is currently host
21:00 ShadowNinja        !config search style
21:00 VanessaE           that'll work for now.
21:00 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: There were no matching configuration variables.
21:00 ShadowNinja        !config search Style
21:00 ShadowBot          ShadowNinja: There were no matching configuration variables.
21:01 VanessaE           as for shadowbot performing that sed expression, I dunno if that's wise, but it's cute :)
21:01 ShadowNinja        hmmm, anyway I can change it if you want. Do you want a host ban?
21:01 VanessaE           hostban is good.
21:02 VanessaE           as long as you control for web chat hosts.
21:03 ShadowNinja        Now for testing ;-) I had better go somewhere where I have chanserv unban access.
21:06 bcnjr5             Can I use C in LUA functions?
21:07 VanessaE           no
21:07 bcnjr5             darn
21:07 VanessaE           you can call C functions from Lua if you've added the appropriate API hooks to your C program
21:07 VanessaE           but otherwise, Lua is Lua and that's all it'll run
21:08 Exio               ffi?
21:08 bcnjr5             Can I include C in the mod?
21:08 VanessaE           bcnjr5: no
21:08 VanessaE           Lua only.
21:08 bcnjr5             :(
21:10 VanessaE           sowwy
21:11 jordan4ibanez      is there a list for the best minetest mods?
21:11 VanessaE           that would depend entirely on what you call 'best'
21:11 [0gb_us]           True.
21:12 [0gb_us]           THere are RADICALLY different opinions on that.
21:12 VanessaE           for some people, best = "the mod with the most damaging weapons"
21:12 VanessaE           for others, "the mod with the most beautiful decorative blocks"
21:13 * [0gb_us]         likes poison ivy for it's beautiful decorative blocks
21:13 [0gb_us]           Also, this: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/103/f/4/f475615f739efef457a99be38266dc54-d3dwiul.jpg
21:14 bcnjr5             http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/theicaruscrane/ddos_zps72a61515.jpg
21:14 [0gb_us]           Fool! He thinks he doesn't need sanity ...
21:14 VanessaE           haha
21:14 STHGOM             :D
21:14 STHGOM             sainity is something everyone should have
21:15 [0gb_us]           I agree.
21:15 VanessaE           why? :)
21:15 jordan4ibanez      Like I think pipeworks would probably be #2 next to mesecons right now
21:16 [0gb_us]           Some sanity, anyway. Too much sanity is boring, but too little is irritating.
21:16 STHGOM             :D
21:19 bcnjr5             What does the "melty" node group do?
21:21 jin_xi             stuff that melts, like ice and cheese perhaps?
21:21 bcnjr5             The wiki says only steelblocks have it.
21:22 STHGOM             bye
21:22 the_poll_dude      who here is awsome?
21:22 PilzAdam           bcnjr5, nothing, its useless
21:22 jojoa1997          http://pastebin.com/n2gkE9L4
21:22 jojoa1997          http://pastebin.com/RSduypkF
21:22 jojoa1997          http://pastebin.com/Sa1JeVyB
21:22 jojoa1997          i need help
21:22 jojoa1997          the first is error, second api.lua, third init.lua
21:23 bcnjr5             I had been looking for that file...
21:23 PilzAdam           jojoa1997, pagenum is nowhere initialized
21:24 jojoa1997          yeah in int.lua
21:24 jojoa1997          or not
21:24 jojoa1997          how do i initialize it
21:25 PilzAdam           pagenum = 0 or something like this
21:26 jordan4ibanez      VanessaE: the Spig or faucet outlet does not check if there is air below it, and just replaces the node with water
21:27 VanessaE           I'll fix it later on then
21:31 jojoa1997          the search fromspec comes up but then it shuts on itself
21:34 jojoa1997          does anyone know why?
21:35 STHGOM             it sux
21:36 kaeza              abd
21:36 kaeza              s/d/c/
21:37 kaeza              :(
21:37 STHGOM             jk i dont even know what you talking 'bout
21:39 ShadowNinja        There, mass badwords ban debugged and working.
21:40 kaeza              bcnjr5, this is overcomplicated, but explains it in detail: http://lua-users.org/wiki/BuildingModules
21:41 kaeza              badword badword badword badword badword
21:42 kaeza              ShadowNinja, ? ^
21:42 bcnjr5             It's simpler than explaining how DLLs work! Thanks!
21:42 kaeza              ehm... wat
21:43 ShadowNinja        kaeza: badwordtest ten times -> host ban
21:43 kaeza              bcnjr5, you need DLLs (or *.so) if you want to use DLLs with Minetest
21:44 VanessaE           jordan4ibanez: working on a fix now.
21:44 kaeza              bcnjr5, actually, DLLs do not work on Windows methinks
21:44 jordan4ibanez      If only I could read.
21:44 kaeza              (some magicks in the dynamic loader)
21:45 bcnjr5             kaeza: I make and use them all the time.
21:46 bcnjr5             Most games have a ton of them on windows.
21:46 VanessaE           jordan4ibanez: fixed in git.
21:47 jordan4ibanez      yay
21:47 jordan4ibanez      How do I set the water height in the .conf?
21:48 kaeza              bcnjr5, lolwut
21:49 kaeza              bcnjr5, that was meant to be taken in context
21:49 kaeza              (I was talking about loading DLLs in Lua from MT)
21:50 MinetestLive       hi
21:50 kaeza              hi
21:51 MinetestLive       (it's me, Sketch2)
21:51 MinetestLive       testing a smaller Live build with SliTaz
21:51 kaeza              hello Windows Live user
21:51 kaeza              </Calinou>
21:51 MinetestLive       lols, no not Windows.  wouldn't touch Win unless I absolutely had to
21:52 [0gb_us]           Same here
21:52 [0gb_us]           .
21:52 jojoa1997          can anyone help
21:52 kaeza              ^troll
21:53 [0gb_us]           (My period key is still jammed.)
21:53 [0gb_us]           Help how?
21:53 kaeza              ^grammar nazi
21:53 kaeza              VanessaE, legit usage of "nazi"
21:53 [0gb_us]           Since when do I get on peoples' cases about grammar?
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> http://pastebin.com/n2gkE9L4
21:53 MinetestLive       0gb needs a tampon?
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> http://pastebin.com/RSduypkF
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> http://pastebin.com/Sa1JeVyB
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> i need help
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> the first is error, second api.lua, third init.lua
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> the search fromspec comes up but then it shuts on itself
21:53 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> does anyone know why?
21:54 kaeza              MinetestLive, lol
21:54 [0gb_us]           Tampons? No thanks, I don't use those.
21:55 MinetestLive       j/k. just commenting on the fact yr having trouble with yr period
21:55 [0gb_us]           jojoa1997: You passes an unassigned variable to math.floor().
21:55 [0gb_us]           OH! Got it.
21:56 [0gb_us]           *pass
21:56 MinetestLive       was gonna rebuild this with XFCE, but I'm kinda diggin whatever X manager it defaults to
21:56 [0gb_us]           pagenum = math.floor(pagenum)
21:56 MinetestLive       one of the BOX'es.  slackbox or something
21:56 [0gb_us]           But it's at the top of the function, before assigning pagenum.
21:56 MinetestLive       er OpenBox I think it is
21:57 jojoa1997          so which line do i put it in
21:57 jojoa1997          and do i do the same with pagemax?
21:57 [0gb_us]           I'm looking for a good window manager at the moment.
21:58 [0gb_us]           You assign the variable a value. Since I don't know what you are after, I don't know what to change. I can only point out where the error is being thrown from.
21:59 MinetestLive       I like XFCE.  OpenBox seems to be stripped down, but still usable
21:59 jojoa1997          ok so i press the button "Search", and i want it to set the player formspec to "CREATIVE_SEARCH_ITEMS"
21:59 [0gb_us]           OpenBox gives me a blank screen with a cursor.
22:00 jojoa1997          but when i do press the button after around 5 seconds it switches and then reverts back
22:00 [0gb_us]           And XFCE I think installs a bunch of applications I don't need.
22:00 jojoa1997          the pagenum is just what is in creative inventory
22:00 [0gb_us]           Is it local to the creative inventory though? Like maybe, you can't reach it from your code?
22:01 MinetestLive       ooh, that sux.  try downloading SliTaz iso and run it in VirtualBox if you'd like to see OpenBox in action.
22:01 jojoa1997          so make it global
22:01 [0gb_us]           I've seen OpenBox in action, and I get a blank desktop with no way to navigate.
22:01 MinetestLive       thinking of putting the latest Firefox on here + minetest
22:02 jojoa1997          nope it does the same thing
22:02 [0gb_us]           You can't make it global from another plugin.
22:02 jojoa1997          no this is all the same mod
22:02 MinetestLive       well, yea.  I'm just saying that might be a bug.  It may get ironed out sometime
22:02 [0gb_us]           SO you are editing creative then?
22:02 [0gb_us]           *So
22:03 jojoa1997          yes
22:03 jojoa1997          well kinda
22:03 jojoa1997          i got rid of creative and am writing new one
22:03 [0gb_us]           Okay, I'm no expert at creative. I don't know the inner workings of that code.
22:04 jojoa1997          PilzAdam can you help?
22:04 PilzAdam           I already told you what to do
22:04 jojoa1997          and i did it
22:05 jojoa1997          but the "search" formspec wont stay
22:05 jojoa1997          it goes then reverts back
22:06 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> ok so i press the button "Search", and i want it to set the player formspec to "CREATIVE_SEARCH_ITEMS"
22:06 jojoa1997          <jojoa1997> but when i do press the button after around 5 seconds it switches and then reverts back
22:09 jojoa1997          anything?
22:09 jojoa1997          fixed
22:10 jojoa1997          i needed to add a ruturn somewhere
22:11 jordan4ibanez      Someone should make a mod which runs clearitems every 15/30/45/60 minutes
22:12 PilzAdam           jordan4ibanez, clearitems?
22:12 jordan4ibanez      Whatever the command is. Killall or whatever.
22:12 [0gb_us]           That's called builtin_item by PilzAdam, or something.
22:12 PilzAdam           ah, you mean /clearobjects
22:13 PilzAdam           yea, builtin_item has a timer to remove dropped items
22:14 [0gb_us]           It's a lot nicer on RAM than /clearobjects, too.
22:16 jordan4ibanez      No, what I mean is a way to clear everything every so often, all entities.
22:16 [0gb_us]           PilzAdam: I have code that alters /clearobjects to only clear LOADED objects. Unlike the current way, it causes no hanging or crash and works instantly, but also leaves objects in unloaded blocks. Is that worth pull requesting to Minetest, or would it not be accepted?
22:17 PilzAdam           it would be nice to have a param for clearobjects to only remove loaded objects
22:18 [0gb_us]           Like "/clearobjects all" and "/clearobjects loaded"? Which should be the default?
22:18 jordan4ibanez      It would be nice if entities were all seperate of eachother instead of just clones of each other
22:18 PilzAdam           jordan4ibanez, ehm, they are sperate
22:19 jordan4ibanez      No they're not, they are not individual entities. They all use the same light value.
22:19 PilzAdam           [0gb_us], yes, but leave /clearobjects without params as "all"
22:19 [0gb_us]           Okay. I'll do that in a bit then.
22:19 PilzAdam           jordan4ibanez, oh, you mean that part
22:20 PilzAdam           Taoki said something that we need to load the mesh multiple times into Minetest to fix it
22:20 Taoki              PilzAdam: Something Irrlicht can't do, we already tried at the time\
22:20 Taoki              Needs HW lighting
22:20 jordan4ibanez      That can't be right. Otherwise nodes would have to do the same.
22:20 [0gb_us]           Loading more meshes sounds like more RAM consumption to me.
22:20 Taoki              Will be AFK from the chat now
22:21 Taoki              [0gb_us]: That too, and rendering in batches is faster. This happens because of the lightning system MT uses
22:21 kahrl              Actually, with shaders it would need no hardware lighting and no copies of the mesh
22:21 kahrl              Since you can just pass the lighting value directly to the shader
22:22 kahrl              hmm, without shaders (in the fixed pipeline) it could be done by setting the ambient light
22:30 MinetestLive       I hate it when things get complicated
22:31 MinetestLive       especially while attempting to simplify life
22:35 STHGOM             moo
22:38 bcnjr5_            /help
22:41 STHGOM             what u need hlp fer?
22:42 bcnjr5_            nothing. I added a space by accident.
22:52 bcnjr5_            >
22:56 jordan4ibanez      If we have the engine auto-deleting entities, it's like we don't trust the modders to delete their own entities, the worst thing that could happen, is there could be so many entities that the game crashes, so why does it even need to be in the game?
22:56 jordan4ibanez      It is a very irritating "Feature"
22:57 VanessaE           you mean when you get over some number in a block
22:57 VanessaE           ?
23:00 jordan4ibanez      Yes.
23:00 jordan4ibanez      Warning: Over 49 entities detected, deleting all.
23:01 ShadowNinja        VanessaE: Mass highlight banning should be working wow
23:02 MinetestBot        GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix loading of schematics containing chests that had empty slots. 98c5bc5c5f 2013-04-28T16:01:24-07:00 http://git.io/k4s_3A
23:02 VanessaE           excellent
23:02 Exio               ShadowNinja: how many nicks for calling it "mass highlight"?
23:02 ShadowNinja        10
23:03 ShadowNinja        Bye for now
23:03 bcnjr5             Bye.
23:03 * Exio             highlights ShadowNinja 9 times in a single line
23:03 Exio               bye ShadowNinja :P
23:10 StrayBytes         Potential DoS: A user with a nick of a, and a long message.
23:10 STHGOM             cya
23:13 PilzAdam           bye
23:18 bcnjr5             wtf?
23:19 [0gb_us]           StrayBytes: Or my idea from earlier. Sign in with several accounts named after common words.
23:19 StrayBytes         Yeah.
23:20 jordan4ibanez      yaw is left-right rotation right?
23:20 kaeza              yep
23:21 kaeza              pitch is up and down, and roll is, well, roll
23:21 kaeza              (note: we don't have roll in MT)
23:24 jordan4ibanez      When I do get_yaw and set_yaw functions, it doesn't set it in the direction the player was pointing. >:(
23:29 jordan4ibanez      It just doesn't make any sense. The values are the same, what could be wrong.
23:30 [0gb_us]           Pastebin the code fragment.
23:30 jordan4ibanez      get_look_yaw(): yaw in radians (wraps around pretty randomly as of now) Oh.
23:31 [0gb_us]           Okay, at least you found it then.
23:31 Kacey              bbiab
23:41 kahrl              [crosspost from #minetest-dev] I made an algorithm proposal for optional dependencies. http://paste.dy.fi/MyA
23:41 kahrl              Untested, so if anyone sees a bug, that's appreciated
23:43 [0gb_us]           Optional dependencies? Nice! There are so many hacks to do that, it would be nice to have a built-in right way.
23:43 kahrl              Yeah.
23:43 kahrl              especially since you can't call any register functions in a minetest.after() callback
23:43 kahrl              which would be the most common way, I guess
23:45 Kacey              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0EIpbHFqFc this would be an easy mod to make
23:45 [0gb_us]           That's the way I most often use.
23:47 arsdragonfly       any ways to emulate a text editor?
23:48 jordan4ibanez      The fuck kind of a question is that? Lol.
23:48 jordan4ibanez      Ohh, oh oh oh.
23:48 jordan4ibanez      Formspecs, maybe.
23:48 kahrl              just install the emacs mod
23:48 Exio               nah kahrl
23:49 Exio               he wanted to emulate a text editor, not a whole OS :D
23:49 kahrl              what's the difference :D
23:49 Exio               lol
23:50 arsdragonfly       kahrl :It'll be a big mod then :D >20MiB
23:55 bcnjr5             â—”_â—”
23:56 jordan4ibanez      What shaders are there?