Time Nick Message 00:00 mauvebic one wonders who the fuck buys all these condos when most decent jobs are being outsourced 00:00 Kacey can we use .gif images for textures? if not, why not? 00:00 mauvebic theyre pretty heavy and probably dont look good scaled 00:00 mauvebic use gimp, export to png 00:01 mauvebic though im planning to be in the extermination business soon, this bedbug epidemic is just starting lol 00:02 mauvebic at 1-2K $ a visit and innefective "bio" chemicals, its the perfect biz 00:02 Gambit Octupus: I am from many places in this network, Bilbo Baggins, and none of them are to be joined lightly. 00:03 Octupus Kay 00:04 khonkhortisan his cloak shows minecraft isn't the primary affiliation 00:07 jordan4ibanez You know Minecraft isn't my forte, but I've always wanted to say hi to notch, he seems like a cool d00d 00:07 Gambit A long time ago you could quite readily start up a conversation with him on twitter. 00:08 Gambit There are too many minecraft fans for that nowadays. 00:08 Gambit That's my not-at-all-subtle way of saying I played Minecraft before it was cool. :P 00:08 jordan4ibanez I know, I missed my chance too, but oh well lol 00:10 jordan4ibanez Damn, I just realized I deleted my first minetest song, that was a sinking feeling to hell 00:11 mauvebic hipster, get him! :p 00:16 jordan4ibanez I think I want to make a game mode called Minetest Black 00:17 jordan4ibanez And for it to be like Feed The Beast, I like the concept of having lot's of things to do 00:18 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f/Whe9Fcmw 00:19 Kacey jordan4ibanez, i would support that 00:19 jordan4ibanez Come one kacey, now you've completely ruined my wordability 00:20 khonkhortisan resumé: without the accent, it's just a verb. 00:20 khonkhortisan that's not only a letter 00:21 khonkhortisan nor is it only punctuation 00:21 jordan4ibanez I think I want to do it right this time though, use github instead of a shitty change log 00:23 jordan4ibanez To think that we can convey all these points/actions/meanings/definitions with 26 letters is beyond my comprehension, but at the same time it is in my grasp since I use it every day 00:24 khonkhortisan Before you used it every day it was beyond your comprehension. 00:25 jordan4ibanez I'll just crawl into a ball and roll over green hill zone now. 00:26 Uberi jordan4ibanez: what was it called? maybe someone still has a copy 00:26 jordan4ibanez If only I could comprehend how to stop my disc from spinning down on kubuntu 00:27 jordan4ibanez it was tech 'n mine, it's still in the gamemodes section, but it's called techduck now 00:28 jordan4ibanez damn, everyone owned this guy for me http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5497 00:29 Uberi oh come on now, you never know what he'll become in the future 00:29 jordan4ibanez A glue taster 00:29 Uberi A glue 00:29 jordan4ibanez A 00:29 Uberi 00:29 jordan4ibanez 00:30 khonkhortisan If you're going to code something serious, you're not going to use shell. 00:30 Uberi but everyone has to start somewhere 00:31 jordan4ibanez What is shell 00:31 Uberi sorta like batch 00:31 Uberi I started with AutoHotkey myself 00:31 jordan4ibanez ohhhhhhh .sh? 00:31 Uberi well actually I still use it :P 00:31 khonkhortisan batch, bash, sh, 00:31 khonkhortisan I like autohotkey, it lets me bring x with me and change my keyboard layout 00:31 jordan4ibanez I started off on a simple shell adventure game 00:32 Uberi I wrote a Mesecons simulator and two platformer/sidescroller games in AutoHotkey 00:32 Uberi was super fun 00:38 jordan4ibanez Cool! I just realized, instead of hard coding the limited number of entities, why not use the minetest.conf 00:39 Uberi sounds like a good candidate for its own setting 00:40 Kacey kaeza would approve http://ifunny.mobi/f/3zUA6nIw 00:41 Uberi wow ifunny sure looks different these days 00:43 jordan4ibanez The best thing about kde: You can install a sonic the hedgehog animated cursor, without having 9000 popups installed with it 00:54 jordan4ibanez So what's the deal with the flolands 00:54 jordan4ibanez are they in the default game? 00:55 Uberi yeah I believe so 00:55 Uberi enable them with the islands flag 00:55 jordan4ibanez Interesting 00:55 jordan4ibanez Can I enable flags with lua so the server sets them on the first starting of the world? 00:57 Uberi I think you can use minetest.setting_set for that 01:02 jordan4ibanez Welp, here goes the first leap for minetest black, the git install 01:18 Kacey Uberi, you seem awesome at mesecons 01:18 Uberi thanks :) 01:18 Kacey need someone to help build? (make it faster) 01:19 Uberi well, I'm a bit short on ideas lately 01:19 Uberi so haven't been building much 01:19 Kacey a 2x2 piston door 01:19 Uberi did that already :) 01:20 Kacey awww 01:20 jordan4ibanez Make a digital clock 01:20 Kacey something interesting...... ELEVATOR!!!!!!!!!!! 01:21 Uberi uberi.mesecons.net <= look at the latest article jordan4ibanez :P 01:21 jordan4ibanez Okay, make an analog clock 01:21 mauvebic jesus, no new episodes for svu or revolution for 3 weeks, wtf lol 01:22 Uberi jordan4ibanez: analog clocks are so last century 01:22 jordan4ibanez NO 01:22 jordan4ibanez They are the here and now 01:24 Kacey ELEVATOR!!!!!!!1!!!!one!!!!! 01:24 Uberi Kacey: possible now with pistons pushing objects 01:24 Kacey yay ^_^ 01:24 Uberi I'll have to give that a try 01:24 * Kacey wants to help 01:25 Uberi Kacey: sure thing, all we need is a 10x double piston extender 01:26 Kacey no 01:26 Kacey a sneak elevator with pistons filling the holes (upward facing of course) and pistons that push them out 01:28 jordan4ibanez make a piston escelator 01:28 jordan4ibanez if you do, we can use that house spawner mod, to spawn malls around the world in minetest black :P 01:31 Uberi :O 01:32 jordan4ibanez well I guess we actually can, but they'll have to be rare 01:32 jordan4ibanez like a decayed mall :D 01:36 Kacey so need some help Uberi? 01:37 Uberi sure thing :) 01:37 Uberi I'll set up a server later 01:37 Uberi for now, I have a lot of email to get through 01:38 mauvebic "do you know" --- from facebook :p 01:40 Menche grr, minetest still "eats" entities even in 0.3 01:40 * Menche waits for his rat collection to come back 01:52 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/p/YioQGbGp 01:57 mauvebic only just now watching Source Code (for lack of new tv episodes, rerun month) 02:00 RealBadAngel game of thrones s03e03 is out 02:00 mauvebic i read the reviews, doesn't seem like the kind of thing i'd be into, though i was pleasantly surprised by Hannibal (tv) 02:01 RealBadAngel game of thrones is really cool 02:01 mauvebic they got a hitler look-alike to play hannibal 02:01 mauvebic the guy looks the part 02:01 RealBadAngel just try it, you wont regret 02:01 RealBadAngel one of the best series i ever watched 02:02 mauvebic i dont really go for that lord of rings/harry potter type stuff 02:02 RealBadAngel it is not like such shit 02:02 mauvebic i was disapointed when jericho got cancelled, but they cloned that into revolution so its not so bad lol 02:03 mauvebic i was also really into terminator sarah connor chronicles till they cancelled that too 02:03 RealBadAngel revolution compared to it is a cheap cartoon 02:03 RealBadAngel tho i do really like revolution 02:03 mauvebic terra nova sounded interesting but it was mostly a family-type drama so bleh 02:03 khonkhortisan it had teen stuff in it 02:03 mauvebic i like revolution cuz its got the guy who played Fring in breaking bad 02:03 khonkhortisan there's scary stuff in revolution 02:04 mauvebic the science doesn't make sense but the politics are interesting 02:04 mauvebic i stopped watching Mad men and walking dead cuz that stuff has just gotten boring 02:04 RealBadAngel game of thrones is about politics 02:05 mauvebic yeah but i prefer futiristic/scifi stuff 02:05 NakedFury same here mauvebic 02:05 mauvebic post-apocolaptyic (sp) especially 02:05 RealBadAngel i tell you just try 2-3 episodes 02:05 NakedFury watch defiance 02:05 mauvebic THX 1138 is one of my favorite movies, along with the original planet of the apes 02:06 mauvebic defiance ive heard of that 02:06 NakedFury its new. alien invasion, after some disastrous event on earth. many alien races 02:06 RealBadAngel i started and then watched 2 first seasons in a few days 02:07 mauvebic theres fallen skies or dark skies that sounds crappy, and i tried getting into Fringe but after 3 episodes i still didn't get what that was about 02:07 RealBadAngel first of all you dont watch it like a series. its a fuckin long movie 02:09 NakedFury but there arent many sci fi shows available 02:09 mauvebic defiance is based on game? hmm, i still remember that awful keanu reeves movie about assasination lol 02:09 NakedFury no 02:09 NakedFury game and tv series willw ork together 02:09 NakedFury stuff that happen in game can affect story in show 02:09 NakedFury vice versa 02:09 mauvebic usually the tv/movie suffers from lack of budget and storyline 02:09 NakedFury but it was gona be a tv ashow first 02:09 NakedFury its from Syfy and they usually kill any sci fi shows 02:10 NakedFury lets cross our fingers 02:10 mauvebic dunno, ever since x-files went unresolved ive been sortof turned off by alien invasion flicks 02:11 mauvebic by now its too late for x-files: either the alien takeover happenned or it didn't, but theres not much to do with the storyline 02:11 NakedFury well there isnt any other sci fi show to watch unless you count Continuum but thats in our time with some characters from te future 02:11 RealBadAngel The budget of Game of Thrones has been compared to that of the TV series Rome.[17] The pilot reportedly cost HBO between US$5 and 10 million,[16] and the total budget for the first season has been estimated at US$50–60 million 02:11 NakedFury there is Doctor Who, Defiance and I think thats it 02:11 mauvebic im hoping berman and braga pass away and they make a decent, original star trek series lol 02:11 NakedFury ^ with you 02:11 mauvebic doctor who? i hate that show, the daleks come back every 2nd or 3rd episode 02:12 NakedFury ohh yes between them and always visiting earth and cybermen I hate it but I love the show 02:12 mauvebic any new star trek series either takes place 100 years in the past, or the future, but they cant carry on with any of the stories recently established, that wouldn't last 02:13 mauvebic i wouldn't mind the future, exploring timelines, other galaxies, the multiverse, there are still lots of unexplored concepts there 02:13 NakedFury Star Trek suffers from too many Time travel episodes where the time travel always, ALWAYS, happens to the past. aka our time or before. 02:13 NakedFury yes I would love another galaxy star trek show 02:13 mauvebic naw, they just recycled the same time travel stories, ie, change in the past, new present 02:13 NakedFury far away from romulans, borg, federation, vulcan, etc 02:14 NakedFury use something like a wormhole or failed new hyper drive technology that launched them into a neighbooring galaxy 02:14 mauvebic a new star trek show would probably do away with all the known species, the future federation citizens would probably be a blend of all those (except borg that mysteriously disapeared, lol) 02:14 NakedFury and yeah it has to be in the future because doing a series in the same time line as old shows will break canon 02:15 mauvebic either that, or the federation left the galaxy after the borg takeover, but either way, im tired of the borg lol 02:15 mauvebic future = new history, new tech, new (fresh) stories 02:15 NakedFury exploited too much like Daleks 02:15 mauvebic exploited by voyager, yes, in TNG, they were scary as fuck 02:16 NakedFury they need new story line, new bad guys, new races, new allies. blend of politics/diplomacy and action too 02:16 mauvebic voyager didn't add seven of nine because she was borg, they added her because of her cup size 02:17 mauvebic well TNG had alot of science-y elements to it, voyager was basically good guys vs bad guys, it had a more 'yank' feel to it 02:17 khonkhortisan Can I disable placement prediction in my client? 02:18 NakedFury and Voyager extended too much the first aliens guys they encountered and then dumped them without a very good closure, sort of like a clifhanger 02:19 mauvebic voyager simply recycled too many stories, didn't give the actors any leeway, and berman and braga thought the fans were stupid enough to buy anything twice or three times 02:19 NakedFury also in Voyager they always had some sort of mechanical trouble that was resolved rather McGuiver style. 02:19 mauvebic you mean the ship being pristine by the next episode? yeah 02:20 mauvebic even enterprise spent a whole show in drydock after the borg two-parter 02:20 NakedFury yes and all the fixes always felt sort of made up theory. I dont know whats happening but im gonna try to do this thing im not supposed to do and fix it 02:21 mauvebic or how 7 of 9 managed to bring neelix back from the dead but never did it for anybody else after that lol 02:21 NakedFury yed 02:21 NakedFury s 02:21 Deivan I have a doubt. Sources of lava don't make new sources of lava anymore? 02:21 NakedFury too many characters died but always from behind the scenes screw 02:22 mauvebic alot of people died but they always had a full crew compliment lol 02:23 Deivan Someone? 02:24 NakedFury lava was made to not be infinite 02:24 NakedFury I think thats what happens 02:24 Deivan I think I need a new mod... Infinet lava again... 02:24 Deivan :D 02:24 Deivan infinite 02:25 mauvebic aint there a config option for that? 02:26 Deivan The base of my lavacooling mod idea is the possibility to make rock factories. 02:26 Deivan Maybe, I will check. 02:26 khonkhortisan I like item frames, they're an intuitive way to label chests 02:27 Deivan Only a option to underground_springs 02:28 Deivan I think I need upgrade the lavacooling mod to have this option. lava source + space + lava source make a new lava source between both. 02:29 Deivan :) 02:29 Deivan Like before this change... 02:29 Deivan :D 02:29 Deivan AFK 02:29 * khonkhortisan tried putting a lava bucket in an item frame and flooded his chests 02:44 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: lol, I think the ground should take precedence 02:44 ShadowNinja same issue with doors 02:54 jordan4ibanez Try out the sounds in this https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black They aren't finished, but they sound kind of good so far 03:06 Deivan Ok, new version of the lavacooling released. :D 03:06 Deivan AFK 03:09 khonkhortisan I just tried stargates, and it seems like I always come out the wrong side 03:10 jordan4ibanez That can create wormholes you know 03:11 khonkhortisan The side I'm on when I'm placing it is guaranteed to be open, but I come out the other side. If I place it in front of a wall, I go into the wall if it's the destination. 03:11 Hwkiller is water infinite? 03:11 khonkhortisan I placed two stargates side by side, connected them together, and no matter what side of what teleporter I go through, I end up on the opposite side of where I placed it 03:12 khonkhortisan water can or can not be infinite 03:12 Hwkiller a settingL 03:12 Hwkiller ? 03:12 khonkhortisan Yes the last one in Settings 03:13 Hwkiller ah, thx 03:14 * Hwkiller is learning dvorak 03:14 khonkhortisan good, qwerty is bad. 03:15 Hwkiller so... typing is slow.. 03:15 khonkhortisan I used ktouch 03:16 Hwkiller yea, i have that too 03:17 khonkhortisan Now's a good time to learn touch typing if you don't already 03:18 jordan4ibanez Oh my gosh, we can make islands in the sky 03:18 jordan4ibanez THIS IS AMAZING 03:21 Hwkiller what is touch typing 03:21 khonkhortisan having your fingers on the eight keys on the home row, and not looking at the keyboard. 03:22 khonkhortisan asdfjkl; or aoeuhtns 03:23 Hwkiller oh, I've done that for years 03:24 Hwkiller actually, I physically swapped my keys on my thinkpad laptop to dvorak, since I never look at them anyway 03:25 Shadow|Phone RealBadAngel: I have an idea to make forcefields display properly in a less hacky way, do you want all new commits in the indev branch? 03:27 jnc hi :) 03:27 jnc on 0gb.us server is fun, but laggy... anyone else play that server? 0.4.6, there's some client bugs that are biting us 03:28 Shadow|Phone jnc: what bugs? 03:29 jnc Shadow|Phone: oh, when I type certain things or too much text into a shout 't' then the client crashes 03:29 Shadow|Phone And that server is famous for lag, it has a terrible connection 03:29 jnc ah okay 03:30 jnc the goal for me is to find a minetest server that my girlfriend and I both want to play 03:30 Shadow|Phone Unicode characters? that is a known bug but nobody can reproduce it 03:30 Shadow|Phone Survival or creative? 03:31 jnc Shadow|Phone: I'm using only english words and punctuation, on a Ubuntu 13.04 beta OS 03:31 jnc that might be encoded as Unicode but I don't know why it would 03:31 Menche sometimes i get a segfault with too long of a chat message 03:31 jnc yes, too long of a chat message is probably it 03:31 Shadow|Phone Hmm, what characters specificaly? 03:31 Menche haven't seen that bug for a while, i thought it was fixed 03:32 jnc it may be fixed ; i'm using 0.4.6 client 03:32 Shadow|Phone No fixes for that specificaly recently 03:34 jordan4ibanez would a 9x9x9 cube area be measured as 9*9*9? 03:34 jordan4ibanez I am having a retarded brain fart 03:35 Shadow|Phone um, I think so, please elaborate 03:35 jordan4ibanez a 9x9x9 area in minetest 03:35 jordan4ibanez is that 729 nodes? 03:36 VanessaE in any coordinate system that would be 729 units of the coordinate system in question. 03:36 khonkhortisan 9^3 03:36 VanessaE nodes in this case, so yes. 03:36 Shadow|Phone If that is 9X9X9 then yes 03:36 khonkhortisan 9x, 9y, 9z 03:36 khonkhortisan 729 of 1xyz 03:37 jnc is a torch that looks attached to another block, is that torch associated with the other block, or is the torch a node that gets oriented but is its own thing? 03:38 VanessaE it is its own node, the game just knows what to do with it if the block next to it is dug. 03:38 Shadow|Phone own thing 03:38 khonkhortisan the wallmounted direction says which direction to draw the texture, and which direction to check whether it's on a wall 03:39 jnc ok... figuring out where to place things on a server that has protected areas 03:39 khonkhortisan it must be in the area 03:39 khonkhortisan well, volume. 03:39 Shadow|Phone hard to give lengthy answers on this... 03:40 jnc yep. on the server I'm playing, there's a protected area, and I put up a block of dirt, or whatever 03:40 jnc then in an "unclaimed" free-for-all area I have a torch hanging off my protected area's lump of dirt 03:40 jnc so... the torch could be considered up-for-grabs 03:40 Menche yes 03:40 khonkhortisan I believe you can use a tree under a protected area to destroy some of the bottom of it 03:41 jnc interesting, khonk ;) 03:41 Shadow|Phone Trees only replace air, and maybe ignore 03:46 jordan4ibanez Minetest Black skylands http://i.imgur.com/jBMW81r.jpg :3 03:53 khonkhortisan They used to be destructive 03:53 Menche they used to eat chests and keep the chest's inventory 03:53 Menche so you could store stuff in the trunk 03:53 Shadow|Phone lol 03:54 Menche or even furnaces, i believe 03:54 * Menche smelts some iron in a tree trunk 03:56 Hwkiller bioshock: minetest 03:59 NakedFury mineshock: Finite 03:59 Shadow|Phone RealBadAngel: annother thing, can aaa_recipieshook be removed now? 03:59 khonkhortisan I have a problem. I've been playing in singleplayer, then started up a local server and spawned somewhere else. I didn't want to go flying in circles, so I made a singleplayer public stargate, and made my multiplayer stargate at my spawn point point to it. My question is, how do I destroy my multiplayer stargate and still end up at the singleplayer one? 04:01 Shadow|Phone Use /teleport 04:02 khonkhortisan oh 04:24 VanessaE bbl 04:25 jordan4ibanez How do I post a new game mode in the forums? 04:26 jordan4ibanez Nevermind 05:01 jordan4ibanez hi sfan5 05:01 sfan5 hi 05:08 jordan4ibanez I like how this game mode is starting out, hopefully it'll be as profesional and complete as ftb one day 05:23 alex256 well some people you just have to ban from your server............ 05:32 Shadow|Phone alex256: I had to ban a pretty good builder a while back, he greifed repeatedly 05:33 alex256 oh well... 05:33 alex256 i just built a speef area and a douche wants to screw it up so he got kicked 05:34 alex256 thinking about making default shout only 05:35 Shadow|Phone hmm, I would like to see it, tomorow I guess 05:35 alex256 you cant protect spleef or it wont work...so i guess i will just make it private 05:35 Shadow|Phone I did that but then you will need a server topic 05:35 alex256 only trusted people will be allowed 05:36 Shadow|Phone I protected all but the bottom layer in my arena 05:37 alex256 that would be the way to go 05:37 alex256 .i will show you tommorrow 09:00 Jordach ImQ009, hey 09:07 ImQ009 Jordach, HI 09:08 ImQ009 I'm gonna kill my caps lock button one day 09:08 * [0gb_us] hands ImQ009 a screwdriver to pry off caps lock key 09:09 Jordach hey Leoneof 09:10 Leoneof hi Jordach 09:11 Leoneof your hey is expensive, what do you want? 09:11 Jordach not mucj 09:11 Jordach much* 09:11 Jordach i just prefer saying it 09:11 Leoneof peace be upon you! 09:12 Leoneof Jordach: i've installed nvidia driver 304, fps in minetest is almost 58 :) 09:13 Jordach Leoneof, told you, i use nvidia 304 (i believe) 09:13 * Jordach checks steam for driver version 09:13 Leoneof i can't recall, i forget after 5min :[ 09:15 Jordach heres mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712652/ 09:16 Leoneof Jordach: what's the command to get this info? 09:17 Jordach Leoneof, i installed steam (gaming platform) through ubuntu software centre 09:17 Jordach it says $0.00 09:17 Jordach but its free :) 09:17 Leoneof wot 09:22 * Jordach is trying the weather mod 09:25 Jordach huh, with the weather mod i dont lose any FPS 09:25 Leoneof :\ 09:29 iqualfragile ImQ009: my capslock key switches to layer three 09:31 Jordach player* 09:41 Jordach anyways, i worked out the bug that causes chunks to have black shadows 09:42 Jordach (well, the cause of it) 09:53 [0gb_us] What causes it then? 09:55 Jordach [0gb_us], its the borked luajit brought in by RealBadAngel 09:55 Jordach on shutdown, the game literally breaks 09:55 Jordach and damages the map a tiny bit 09:55 Jordach on the lighting side 09:55 Jordach soloution: plant saplings. 09:56 [0gb_us] Saplings? How do saplings fix it? 09:56 Jordach because its something happens when trees grow 09:56 Jordach treegen apparently fixes light oddly 09:56 [0gb_us] Hmm. Odd. 09:58 Jordach moretrees doesnt fix i9t 09:58 Jordach -9 09:58 Jordach [0gb_us], tip: the latest git has fixed this 09:58 Jordach im dealing with it as im a fucking lazy bastard 09:58 [0gb_us] Fixed the LuaJIT/shadow issue? 09:59 Jordach yup 09:59 Jordach its gone 09:59 [0gb_us] Okay, cool. Good to know it can be fixed. 10:00 * Jordach updates jordach's engine 10:01 Jordach odd, i can never stream music with make -j4 10:01 Jordach it just cracks and pops 10:01 Jordach usually. 10:01 * Jordach forgot about the two ram sticks inside 10:02 [0gb_us] I've never tried streaming music while compiling. 10:04 bas080 Requesting topic move http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79863 10:05 iqualfragile Jordach: ionice nice make -j 4 10:05 iqualfragile bas080: great idea 10:05 bas080 iqualfragile, thank you 10:06 iqualfragile oh, yeah, please remove the screenshots 10:06 bas080 No screenshots in repo :( 10:06 iqualfragile https://github.com/bas080/tulips/tree/master/screenshots 10:06 iqualfragile looks quite much like a screenshot to me actualy 10:06 bas080 Yes but hy is that a no go? It's makes it easy to update screenshots 10:07 iqualfragile because a repo is for the code 10:07 iqualfragile if i would clone the repo i would not want to download 3 screenshots 10:09 bas080 Ok. screenshots removed... pushing 10:10 bas080 Done 10:10 bas080 Using dropbox as image host 10:10 iqualfragile thats better 10:20 bas080 What happened with the http://minetest.net/ it's completely different again! I like the simplistic design. This one looks a bit messy 10:21 mauvebic i dont see anything new since this week 10:35 mauvebic i fell asleep for an hour last night, soon as the wife started tossing and turning, i couldn't get back to sleep lol 10:37 iqualfragile bas080: it was moved to dokuwiki 10:37 bas080 iqualfragile, what is? 10:38 iqualfragile minetest.net 10:38 bas080 dokuwiki.net? 10:38 mauvebic starting to think zimg.eu is down for the count 10:41 bas080 I find the gradients in the header look cheap-ish. Make it straight hard lines like where the stone and dirt texture meet 10:46 Zeg9 Hello ! 10:50 VanessaE good morning 10:51 iqualfragile good morning 10:52 Taoki morning 10:53 VanessaE hey 11:01 [0gb_us] Hello. 11:05 VanessaE quiet this morning.. 11:07 * [0gb_us] walks by quietly to avoid waking people 11:11 jojoa1997|Tablet !!!GOOD MORNING!!! :O :O :O 11:12 VanessaE good morning 11:15 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg in 4 class starting 11:15 jojoa1997|Tablet and then fcat testing YAY :/ 11:15 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5640 <-- could degenerate quickly in unfounded accusations and finger pointing lol 11:16 jojoa1997|Tablet meh stuff hasppens 11:23 iqualfragile no, lets build way more cameras! 11:25 mauvebic nah, i mean, they dont know who did it yet, people shouldn't speculate and provoke reprisals 11:26 mauvebic though that people are dumb enough to think north korea did it lol that takes the cake 11:27 mauvebic my money's on right-wing militia/loonies, the aryan brotherhood-types have been busy and in the news in the south 11:33 mauvebic though, ironically, if there are cameras in the area, we'll know who did it quickly enough 12:02 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:03 [0gb_us] Hey, PilzAdam. 12:04 jojoa1997|Tablet Hi 12:05 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam how is the update for minitest 12:14 sfan5 hi everyone 12:15 [0gb_us] Hey, sfan5. 12:18 sfan5 ... 12:22 Jordach hi MinetestBot 12:22 MinetestBot Hi Jordach 12:22 Jordach hey sfan5, PilzAdam 12:24 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest_game: README.txt: Note requirement of common mods 76398aac4a 2013-04-14T13:28:40-07:00 http://git.io/J4mjuA 12:31 VanessaE um.. 12:31 [0gb_us] Hmm? 12:31 VanessaE that commit was two days ago 12:31 * VanessaE kicks MinetestBot in the ass 12:32 PilzAdam OH NO!!!!!!!!! 12:32 [0gb_us] MinetestBot probably wasn't active when it happened. 12:32 PilzAdam Moontest is discontinued :-( 12:32 [0gb_us] Something up, PilzAdam? 12:32 VanessaE bummer 12:32 [0gb_us] I thought you predicted Moontest's cancelation. 12:34 * PilzAdam puts a Pilz on [0gb_us]'s sarcasm detector 12:34 * [0gb_us] has no idea what a "pilz" is 12:35 PilzAdam german for mushroom 12:35 [0gb_us] Ah. I always wondered what the first half of your name meant. 12:36 [0gb_us] I thought it might have to do with PIL, the Python Image Library. 12:36 PilzAdam PIL also means "Programming In Lua" 12:37 PilzAdam but thats not related at all to my nick 12:38 [0gb_us] Ah. That explains the /pil/ directory I always find Lua manual pages in. 12:42 Jordach bbiab 12:42 * Jordach is going shopping 12:42 VanessaE bring me back some pizza :) 12:47 mauvebic im gonna try tieing my wife to her side of the bed and going to sleep :P nite 12:48 [0gb_us] Hmm. 13:21 sfan5 what i've recently done: https://github.com/sfan5/spk/commit/df1137eec2f3d7f3cab678ae85ba9142b790c882 13:25 celeron55 sfan5: README.md is erroneus 13:25 sfan5 where? 13:25 celeron55 65565 13:26 celeron55 why not 0xffff, much clearer 8) 13:26 sfan5 you have a point 13:26 celeron55 and the original point was, 65565 is wrong, 65535 would be right 13:26 celeron55 (and what the code actually has) 13:27 sfan5 i always make that mistake 13:27 sfan5 ... 13:30 sfan5 fixed: https://github.com/sfan5/spk/commit/e6b6 13:32 celeron55 i think it would be interesting to put the magic value at the beginning of each entry 8) 13:32 VanessaE bbl 13:34 sfan5 celeron55: tar puts its magic value "ustar\0\0" in each entry 13:34 celeron55 (would work for error correction and would untie it from being used only in files) 13:35 sfan5 error correction wouldn't be bad.. but what do you mean by "only in files" 13:35 sfan5 ? 13:36 celeron55 umm... probably nothing, the things i was thinkin about don't really make sense 13:36 celeron55 +g 13:37 * Jordach|Shop pokes VanessaE with a Egg and Cress sandwich 13:37 celeron55 but basically, imagine you have a 1 gigabyte SPK file, and you recover all but the first 1MB of it 13:38 celeron55 if you had the magic value in each entry, it would be relatively robust to usually find out almost all of what's left 13:38 sfan5 hm, right 13:38 celeron55 or 1MB and 1kB would probably make more sense in this context 8) 13:39 celeron55 of course it still is quite possible via detecting the \0 floods in paths and the user IDs and whatever after it 13:40 sfan5 as long as your paths aren't 254 chars long.. 13:41 celeron55 well then it they have a long chain of directories that are easy to detect 13:41 celeron55 -it 13:41 celeron55 but way harder than just searching for magic values 13:42 celeron55 of course, depending on where the format is going to be used, this may not have any relevance; but if it ends up being widely used some people will surely have to deal with damaged files too 13:42 sfan5 the problem with magic values is when you archived libspk.a or create.o/extract.o 13:43 celeron55 it's usually easy to detect if it's a correct magic value 13:44 celeron55 just check that a new magic value comes after the file length 13:44 celeron55 i mean, entry length 13:45 celeron55 or EOF 13:46 sfan5 time to add an TODO.md 13:47 sfan5 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host 13:47 sfan5 ^ *sigh* 13:48 sfan5 atleast https still works 13:49 sfan5 <celeron55> of course, depending on where the format is going to be used, this may not have any relevance; but if it ends up being widely used some people will surely have to deal with damaged files too 13:49 sfan5 the main purpose is being used in applications 13:49 sfan5 (like my one-click self-extracting minetest installer+starter) 13:50 Jordach mmmmmm 13:50 sfan5 or more generic: a program that can pack some directories, extract them when started, cd $somewhere and run a command 13:50 Jordach fudge brownie milkshake is awesome 13:51 Jordach sfan5, so no more tar xf bullshit 13:51 sfan5 look at tar's specification, its just so confusing 13:51 sfan5 i just wtf?!'d and made my own format 13:52 PilzAdam celeron55, cant reach minetest.net 13:53 Jordach PilzAdam, works for me 13:53 PilzAdam celeron55, also other reported troubles with minetest.net 13:53 sfan5 works fine for me too 13:53 PilzAdam while it works for others 13:53 Jordach PilzAdam, it might be a DNS issue 13:53 proller dns++ 13:54 proller works from 2/3 places 13:55 PilzAdam "icmp_seq=4 Time to live exceeded" 13:56 iqualfragile sfan5: are you shure you want to create yet another packing format? 13:56 sfan5 yes 13:56 iqualfragile why not just tar? 13:57 sfan5 iqualfragile: look at the tar specification... 13:57 sfan5 john_minetest: its already named SimplePacK 13:57 iqualfragile ok, im looking at it? 13:58 sfan5 iqualfragile: it confused me to (almost) death 13:58 iqualfragile you dont need to implement it 13:59 sfan5 i didn't 14:00 iqualfragile why would you need to understand it? 14:01 sfan5 because i needed it for a program that... 14:01 sfan5 <sfan5> or more generic: a program that can pack some directories, extract them when started, cd $somewhere and run a command 14:02 iqualfragile i think 7zip can do that 14:03 Jordach .7z for the fail 14:03 iqualfragile Jordach: why? 14:03 Jordach because generic GUI 14:03 iqualfragile you know p7z? 14:03 troller .xz 14:03 iqualfragile troller: thats no archive format 14:04 iqualfragile thats just compression 14:04 troller tar.xz 14:04 iqualfragile sfan does not understand tar 14:05 troller cant use libs ? 14:06 sfan5 yes 14:07 sfan5 *no 14:08 sfan5 **idk 14:22 PilzAdam hm.. 7z has way better compression rate than .zip 14:22 PilzAdam I guess Ill use 7z for my win builds now 14:24 Jordach PilzAdam, like ANYONE will open it 14:29 Jordach finally almost done with the upgrade to a pencil artwork 14:33 * Jordach is capable of Minetoon styling everything 14:34 sfan5 PilzAdam: 7z itself has no compression rate, its lzma that has the good compression rate 14:35 troller xz better than 7-zip 14:35 sfan5 xz == lzma | 7zip.compression == lzma 14:35 troller or same 14:36 troller xz == lzma2 14:36 troller 7z can be too 14:36 sfan5 i maybe shouldn't build minetest and start my max os x lion VM 14:38 sfan5[Mac] !rev proller 14:38 MinetestBot rellorp 14:38 sfan5[Mac] lol 14:38 Jordach !rev abcdefghijklmopqrstuvxyz 14:38 MinetestBot zyxvutsrqpomlkjihgfedcba 14:39 Jordach !rev lol 14:39 MinetestBot lol 14:39 sfan5[Mac] !rev Jordach 14:39 MinetestBot hcadroJ 14:39 sfan5 !rev sfan5 14:39 MinetestBot 5nafs 14:40 sfan5 !rev MinetestBot 14:40 MinetestBot toBtseteniM 14:40 sfan5 hah 14:40 sfan5 *haha 14:41 Jordach sfan5, :P 14:41 PilzAdam !rev !stob eht esuba tnoD 14:41 MinetestBot Dont abuse the bots! 14:41 sfan5 !rev !stob eht esubA 14:41 MinetestBot Abuse the bots! 14:41 thexyz wtf? 14:41 Jordach !rev !em esuba t'noD 14:41 MinetestBot Don't abuse me! 14:41 thexyz stop it 14:42 Jordach there, she said it 14:42 sfan5 she? 14:42 Jordach that's the census right 14:42 sfan5 Minetest-tan is she, but MinetestBot is ..... it 14:42 thexyz all bots are female 14:42 thexyz that's #1 rule of irc 14:43 sfan5 hm 14:43 PilzAdam where is Minetest-tan? 14:43 sfan5 windows doesn't have uid_t 14:43 sfan5 PilzAdam: vacation ;) 14:43 Jordach sfan5, did you mean: Dead or Alive Extreme 2? 14:43 Jordach :D 14:43 sfan5 no uid_t 14:49 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84487#p84487 spam 14:49 * PilzAdam wonders when /me becomes a moderator 14:54 Jordach just found this http://i.imgur.com/esOGH4F.jpg 14:54 PilzAdam IRL? 14:54 PilzAdam in your house? 14:55 Jordach PilzAdam, nope. 14:56 ironzorg on reddit 14:56 ironzorg or imgur 14:56 ironzorg or both 15:02 Jordach john_minetest, so does winrar 15:02 Jordach and mounty for isos 15:02 * Jordach uses winrar through wine 15:02 Jordach because im a bitch 15:03 Jordach it adds two john_minetest 15:04 sfan5 http://5.175.144.3/spk-0.1.7-win32.zip <- random thing 15:04 Jordach sfan5, thats a spamachi link 15:04 Jordach doesnt work 15:05 sfan5 it does 15:06 ImQ009 I concur, it does work 15:06 sfan5 my new archive format 15:08 * Jordach is seriously fucking bored 15:08 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84493#p84493 15:08 Jordach that's how bored i am 15:21 Jordach my life is complete 15:21 Jordach https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.qspool.clementineremote 15:39 Jordach john_minetest, i used shift + lmb paintbrush 15:39 Jordach using smaller lines about 10px apart makes it look curved 15:39 Jordach john_minetest, six hours of work for fun 15:40 Jordach :) 15:41 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225 15:41 MinetestBot 108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.332ms) 15:41 Jordach john_minetest, the xcf is there if you wanna improve it further 15:41 Jordach (or i lose the .xcf myself!) 15:47 bas080 Has anyone tried making a building using a buildport? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79459#p79459 15:49 Issa hillo 15:49 Issa how are u 15:49 Issa :) 15:49 Issa so 15:49 Issa many pepole here 15:49 bas080 Issa, k-passa? 15:50 Issa i just want learn irrlicht 3D engine 15:50 Jordach Issa, do you know basic programming? 15:50 Issa yes 15:50 bas080 Ok, why? you want to contribute? 15:50 Issa i know php 5 15:50 Issa and little c 15:51 Issa and c++ 15:51 * Calinou facepalms, and says "hi" 15:51 PilzAdam Issa, http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/tutorials/ 15:51 Issa so i have found a french how to 15:51 bas080 You gotta start somewhere, where better then here. 15:52 Issa but i have problem to install irrlicht with codeblocks 15:52 Calinou is there any reason you want to use it? 15:52 PilzAdam Issa, there is a tutorial for that in the page I linked 15:52 Calinou find something "smaller" to contribute to. report minetest bugs, translate (if needed)... 15:52 Calinou make mods/texture packs 15:53 PilzAdam Issa, also: http://youtu.be/cs4wvWU_5kA 15:53 Issa o yes i used this how to video to install my irrlich 15:54 Issa but i have this error ---> http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6353/imageshackonlinephotoan.jpg 15:54 PilzAdam this channel is not the right place to ask your questions 15:54 Issa ok 15:55 PilzAdam also: do never ever report a bug with not english error messages 15:55 Jordach unless you ask Calinou 15:55 Jordach hey jordan4ibanez 15:55 jordan4ibanez Hello Jordach 15:56 Calinou tip: before your command, use LANG=C 15:57 Calinou LANG=C 15:57 Calinou this changes the terminal language to english until it is closed 16:13 Jordach hey Zeg9 16:14 Zeg9 Hello ! 16:16 jordan4ibanez hi zeg9 16:16 Calinou hi 16:18 paxcoder cisoun yay! 16:18 paxcoder where have you been? 16:22 Doyousketch2 so tired :P 16:24 rubenwardy hi all 16:25 Zeg9 Hello 16:26 Doyousketch2 how's it going? 16:30 PilzAdam spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84505#p84505 16:30 PilzAdam ^ Calinou 16:33 jordan4ibanez This doesn't make any sense 16:33 jordan4ibanez on_place = function(itemstack, placer, pointed_thing) 16:33 jordan4ibanez local pos = pointed_thing.above 16:33 jordan4ibanez local posabove = pos 16:33 jordan4ibanez pos.y = pos.y - 2 16:33 jordan4ibanez posabove.y = posabove.y + 2 16:34 jordan4ibanez These 2 values (pos and posabove) end up the same value no matter what I do 16:34 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, table variables are like pointers 16:35 PilzAdam posabove and pos point at the same table 16:35 jordan4ibanez How do I turn them into different tables? 16:35 PilzAdam use posabove = {x=pos.x, y=pos.y, z=pos.z} 16:36 jordan4ibanez Oh, wow 16:38 sfan5 Calinou: no that only works for the command 16:38 sfan5 use "export LANG=C" 16:38 jordan4ibanez Thank you 16:40 Calinou works for me 16:57 jordan4ibanez This looks incredible http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5641 16:57 jordan4ibanez very very nice texture 17:01 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 17:01 Calinou hi lava lamp :P 17:01 thefamilygrog66 haha, someone's been perusing the forums... 17:10 alex256 if you start a singlenode map where on the map is it located? 17:10 alex256 anyone know? 17:10 PilzAdam alex256, singlenode means every node will be set to e.g. stone 17:11 PilzAdam lua defines wich node it is 17:11 alex256 ahh it spawned me way up in the air...just wandering 17:11 PilzAdam it probably spawnend you in content_ignore 17:11 PilzAdam wich looks like air 17:14 thefamilygrog66 hey Calinou 17:20 jordan4ibanez Minetest should really have this https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/commit/28bdc0aa9de10db4c68e6feafd19789302bd396f 17:21 thefamilygrog66 jordan4ibanez: yeah, that would come in handy in some situations for sure 17:21 jordan4ibanez Oh snap! I just realized I switched some of the values around, and yes I know :D 17:21 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, wrong! 17:21 PilzAdam just set param2 to something ~= 0 17:21 PilzAdam leafdecay code wont remove it then 17:22 jordan4ibanez Oh why thank you, that seems easier too 17:25 jordan4ibanez That appears to not work 17:27 PilzAdam how do you set param2? 17:27 jordan4ibanez i set_noded it 17:29 PilzAdam paste your code 17:29 markveidemanis Hi 17:30 thefamilygrog66 hi 17:31 jordan4ibanez minetest.env:set_node(pointed_thing.above, {name="default:leaves", param2=1}) 17:33 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, are you sure it doesnt work? 17:34 jordan4ibanez Now it does :D 17:36 jordan4ibanez okay, like I said before, HERE is what minetest should have https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L1399 17:44 rubenwardy lol http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1895183955/build-a-world 17:44 rubenwardy #epicfail 17:45 jordan4ibanez You know that actually looks cool, if I were any stupider I would probably have donated to that 17:46 rubenwardy It is beautiful, I wish minetest looked like that 17:47 thefamilygrog66 some of it looks nice, some parts kinda ugly imho - I got a kick out of the picture of "BAW's musician in action" 17:47 jordan4ibanez https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/450/291/05aae5294307fe91fb9ab4f64df9d634_large.png?1363484073 This bear is not impressed 17:48 thefamilygrog66 (not sure what musical instrument said musician is playing in that photo) 17:49 thefamilygrog66 unimpressed bear. the models look a bit out of place juxtaposed with the terrain blocks 17:51 thefamilygrog66 are there any forum mods here right now? 17:52 rubenwardy they would get more sponsorers if their rewards were better 18:00 rubenwardy http://dayzdev.tumblr.com/ ! 18:00 rubenwardy can't wait 18:00 rubenwardy worth any amount of money... below £20 18:01 jordan4ibanez what about the warZ 18:01 jordan4ibanez made from the guy who made big rigs over the road lol 18:01 rubenwardy meh 18:02 jordan4ibanez sfan5 you will be refered to as Dr Sfan5 in the minetest black wiki 18:02 Jordach is that a TF2 reference? 18:03 rubenwardy Isnt warZ just a "rip off" (i hate that saying) of dayZ? 18:03 jordan4ibanez Maybe, and yes 18:03 Jordach jordan4ibanez, kill me. 18:03 jordan4ibanez Later 18:03 Jordach YAY 18:04 Jordach i was going to fake quote it, but you actually did it! 18:04 Jordach :D 18:04 jordan4ibanez lol xD 18:07 Calinou thefamilygrog66: moved your lava lamp mod 18:07 alex256 ha singlenode w mg_flags =flat starts off with just a nyan cat in the sky 18:07 Calinou destroy it 18:07 Calinou then you can't build anything :P 18:08 alex256 i destroyed it after i put down some dirt :~ 18:08 PilzAdam alex256, no 18:09 PilzAdam it doesnt 18:09 alex256 why? 18:10 PilzAdam and it seems it does place air only if Lua doesnt define the node that it places 18:11 alex256 i opened a server with just a few grass blocks on it in the sky....wonder how long before it is destroyed 18:11 Jordach NOOO 18:11 Jordach stone monster + oerkki + DM = OH FUCK 18:13 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225:3001 18:13 MinetestBot alex256: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 18:14 thefamilygrog66 Calinou: hey thanks for the move! 18:14 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225 18:14 MinetestBot 108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.248ms) 18:15 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225:30001 18:15 MinetestBot alex256: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 18:15 PilzAdam simple mobs user spotted 18:15 alex256 how do i check if port 3001 is up 18:15 alex256 i mean 30001 18:15 khonkhortisan !up 108.237.169.225 30001 18:15 MinetestBot 108.237.169.225:30001 is up (0.332ms) 18:16 alex256 tthanks 18:16 PilzAdam alex256, reading helps a lot: alex256: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 18:16 alex256 lol its the same thing ... 18:17 alex256 eat apples instead of apples ?lol 18:18 PilzAdam are you acutually able to read? 18:18 PilzAdam -u 18:19 alex256 please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' = eat apples instead of apples 18:20 MinetestBot example.org:1337 seems to be down 18:20 PilzAdam eat apples instead of :apples 18:20 alex256 ahh i see the : now.....my fonts are screwy and everything is tiny 18:22 Jordach do you know what, simple_mobs sometimes scares the crap out of me] 18:22 Jordach -] 18:22 PilzAdam :D 18:23 Jordach PilzAdam, i saw the horrible moment where a oerkki and a DM had the entity glitch 18:23 Jordach oerkki for movement, DM for attack 18:24 sapier mobf 2.1 will have oerkkis too ... finaly ;-) 18:24 sapier only the 3d ones 18:25 PilzAdam mobf is a rip off of simple mobs.... 18:25 FreeFull Entity glitch? 18:26 sapier lol pilzadam you remember mobf beeing there long befor YOU forked another mod again ;-P 18:26 thefamilygrog66 I've changed up the simple mobs mod on my server, just using the nasty mobs but with different textures and sounds, and some of them are REALLY fast and deadly - scary stuff! 18:26 PilzAdam sapier, ever heard of pre-rip-offs? 18:26 FreeFull DMs weren't exactly peach cakes 18:26 FreeFull Blowing all your stuff up 18:26 FreeFull You could defeat them using water though 18:26 PilzAdam e.g. MC is a pre-rip-off of MT 18:27 thefamilygrog66 time is circular 18:27 sapier no sounds like changing reality to fit your minds interpretation ;-) 18:27 PilzAdam sapier, define reality 18:27 Jordach sapier, nope. you copied the 3d mod thing from PilzAdam 18:28 thefamilygrog66 I'm not sure I'm really keen on the idea of making MT exactly like MC via some of the new mods... 18:28 Jordach simple mobs does do the job for mobs 18:28 sapier that's like telling simple mobs copied the use of entities for mobs from mobf ... useless to discuss 18:29 Jordach sapier, simple_mobs actually works unlike mobf 18:30 sapier I assume you haven't tried mobf for about 2 years jordach mobf atm even works on single core 1.6 ghz servers 18:30 sapier without any noticable lag 18:32 sapier btw I'm still looking for suggestions what mobf should support in 2.2 release ;-) 18:35 rubenwardy sapier: aliens 18:35 rubenwardy and chuck norris 18:35 rubenwardy end of the world combination 18:36 rubenwardy chuck norris should throw fire ball and lightning bolts, and should explode and respawn when players get near 18:36 sapier lol :-) if someone supplies a model adding new mobs is a task of about 5-10 min ;) ... I thought about real new features ;-) 18:36 rubenwardy do you have flying mobs? 18:36 rubenwardy mobs that can use doors? 18:37 rubenwardy mobs that wander around changing sign's content to "potato"? 18:39 sapier flying if course 18:39 jordan4ibanez I notice "sunlight" gives out a clear light, while artificial lights give out a yellowish light, that's kind of a weird effect 18:39 sapier sokomine made trader use doors as far as I know 18:39 sapier whats signs content? 18:40 rubenwardy what the sign says 18:40 rubenwardy meta data 18:41 sapier lol ... no none of my mobs do things like that but as you can make them do everything with almost no effort it can be added within minutes 18:41 sapier but I have mobs defending your home ;-) 18:42 sfan5 ⁞ 18:43 sfan5 🂠18:45 sfan5 ⁉ 18:47 rubenwardy sapier: a rts like controlable npc would be cool 18:47 rubenwardy or a turret, for that matter 18:47 sapier I assume archer is very close to turret 18:48 rubenwardy hmm 18:48 rubenwardy is that what there is? 18:48 sapier that ? where ? 18:54 akeroksauren Hello everyone! 18:56 akeroksauren I can't figure out why diamond is not working in my updated minetest server. It's running 0.4.6 with the updated technic mod and updated dependencies. Any ideas? 18:57 sapier rubenwardy ... the guard mob can have an path assigned to patrol 19:07 iqualfragile akeroksauren: have you realy updated to the newest version? there were some diamond-related fixes included 19:08 Traxie21 Help please 19:08 akeroksauren Yes. 19:08 Cheesus can somebody test my hamachi server later on? 19:10 Calinou O_o 19:10 Calinou Cheesus, do I need to go to #minecrafthelp @ irc.esper.net then say "?? fubar/hamachi"? 19:10 Calinou really, learn how to port forward, it saves a lot of pain to potential players. you would also get more players :) 19:10 iqualfragile Cheesus: what about getting your portforwarding right 19:11 Calinou it would also reduce lag 19:11 akeroksauren Here is the pastbin of the debug.txt: http://pastebin.com/NrvZsarq 19:11 Cheesus port forward doesnt work 19:11 Calinou http://portforward.com 19:12 Cheesus i cant find my ipv4 adress. ipconfig/all still doesnt work:p 19:12 Calinou sometimes it appears in your router settings 19:12 Jordach Cheesus, http://whatismyip.org 19:12 Jordach Cheesus, http://whatismyip.com 19:12 Calinou Jordach, that's for external IP 19:12 Jordach (Dont know which is which.) 19:13 Cheesus i cant find my internal ip 19:13 Calinou external IP = what other people use to connect 19:13 Calinou internal IP = what you should forward the port to 19:13 iqualfragile Cheesus: srsly? 19:13 iqualfragile its not _that_ hard 19:13 Cheesus i know that already 19:13 Calinou just type "ipconfig", an "IPv4 address" field should _always_ appear 19:13 iqualfragile you know that you have to put a space between ipconfig and /all 19:14 Jordach john_minetest, wb 19:14 Calinou no need for /all 19:15 Calinou akeroksauren, stairsplus is dead 19:15 Calinou remove stairsplus, update moreblocks and moreores 19:15 Calinou it is now part of moreblocks :) 19:15 Cheesus maybe ill try once more tonight 19:15 Calinou also tons of new stuff was added recently 19:15 mauvebic it took me a year to learn to port forward lol - in the 90s, networking was the least fun aspect of computing :p 19:15 Calinou maptools got a small update a week ago too 19:15 Calinou mauvebic, in the 90s, NAT didn't exist 19:15 Calinou firewalls were actually useful back then 19:16 Calinou I hope IPv6 will kill NAT. 19:16 mauvebic ah hell even when you followed instructions it rarely worked properly lol 19:16 iqualfragile im a bit sceptic about ipv6 19:16 Calinou mauvebic, that's nvidia chipsets 19:16 mauvebic well they dont have a choice with ipv6 19:16 mauvebic i didn't have the same computer 20 years ago :p 19:17 Cheesus rumors says that if you remove ipv6, then ull get ipv4 19:17 Calinou iqualfragile, why? there are very few downsides, the only one I can think about is logitech selling more keyboards when people type an IPv6 IP :P 19:17 Calinou Cheesus, you don't remove ipv6 19:18 mauvebic do a search for "ships" on google warehouse, so obviously, i get a pagoda (didn't know they could fly/sail) 19:18 iqualfragile mauvebic: portforwarding is not that hard: 19:18 iqualfragile DNAT net loc:10.2.19.82:12 tcp 30000 19:18 Cheesus when i doeble click the local area connection, then details. it says my ip is 192.168.1.6 19:18 akeroksauren Ok. I already did, but I'll update them again. 19:19 mauvebic it is when your modem and router each have their own firewall, i knew about the router, didn't know about the other lol 19:19 Cheesus but i dont think im supposed it port forward that ip 19:19 Calinou iqualfragile, "wat" 19:20 Calinou Cheesus, that's possibly your internal IP 19:20 Calinou forward port 30000 in UDP to that IP, and see 19:20 Calinou and start the server on port 30000 of course 19:21 Cheesus lol, i once was planning to port forward all possible ips 19:21 iqualfragile Calinou: thats a shorewall rule for forwarding port 30000 to 10.2.19.82:12 on the local network 19:21 Cheesus 192.1698.1.1 all the way to 192.168.254 19:22 iqualfragile Cheesus: you obviously have neither understood ips nor portforwarding 19:22 Cheesus k calinou, imma try to do so...but im still 99.99% sure it wont work 19:23 Calinou iqualfragile, the problem isn't firewall 19:23 Calinou behind a NAT a firewall is useless 19:24 iqualfragile actualy your router has a firewall 19:24 sapier is anyone here who already tested "smart" vombies? 19:24 Calinou yes, a very basic one that isn't that stupid 19:24 Calinou sapier, nope 19:25 iqualfragile "stupid" 19:25 sapier :-( ... I'm testing 0.4.6 for 2.1 mobf release only but pathfinding isn't available there ... mobf has too much features to test everything by myself 19:26 iqualfragile !up 52.16.22.142 30000 19:26 * Calinou is playing xmoto 19:26 MinetestBot 52.16.22.142:30000 seems to be down 19:26 Calinou ChanServ, tip: use !up to check if a server is up 19:26 iqualfragile Cheesus: it seems like it did not work 19:26 Calinou like iqualfragile did 19:26 * khonkhortisan is not playing xmoto, but trying to get a lan party 19:28 Cheesus calinou, do u have hamachi? 19:31 Calinou Traxie21, wb 19:31 Traxie21 TyTy 19:31 Traxie21 *Ty once 19:32 Calinou why did you say "Help please" then leave 38 seconds after saying that? :P 19:32 Traxie21 I could use some help with particles 19:32 Traxie21 19:32 Calinou ah 19:32 Traxie21 some IT guy was fixing our servers 19:32 Calinou never used particles in one of my mods, sorry 19:32 * Calinou could add smoke emitters in moreblocks maybe :3 19:35 Traxie21 It wouldnt be hard :3 19:36 Traxie21 I'm just trying to use user:get_look_dir() and make the particles fly faster 19:36 Traxie21 I can throw a potion bottle, but it flies WAY too slow 19:36 Traxie21 Its like x0.4 speed in a movie 19:36 Traxie21 EPIC SLO MO 19:36 Calinou known "bug", see snowballs in snow mod 19:37 Calinou can't you increase gravity of an entity? :/ 19:37 Calinou you can do that for players at least, but I don't think you can do that on non-player entities 19:39 VanessaE hi all. 19:40 Traxie21 Hi Nessa 19:40 VanessaE hey 19:40 VanessaE glad to see you're still around :) 19:40 Traxie21 Do you know anything about particles and player:get_look_dir()? 19:40 Traxie21 I'm still around till end of this month/next month :3 19:40 Traxie21 minetest.add_particle({x=user:getpos().x, y=user:getpos().y+1.5, z=user:getpos().z}, {x=user:get_look_dir().x, y=0.2, z=user:get_look_dir().z}, {x=user:get_look_dir().x, y=-1, z=user:get_look_dir().z}, 2, 19:41 VanessaE nothing at all about the particles, not a *whole* lot about get_look_dir() except that it's measured in radians I think 19:41 Traxie21 no, its unit vectors 19:41 VanessaE what are you trying to do anyway? 19:41 Traxie21 Throw a potion bottle 19:41 VanessaE ah 19:41 Traxie21 It works, but it is way too slow 19:42 Traxie21 as in, the bottle flies in slow motion 19:42 VanessaE wtf is a "unit vector"? 19:42 Jordach ^ google miss 19:42 VanessaE /kick Jordach 19:43 Traxie21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_vector 19:43 Traxie21 I have no idea what it is either, all I know is that it works for velocity coordinates 19:43 Traxie21 Also, this IRC client is awesome 19:43 VanessaE *whoosh* 19:44 jordan4ibanez lol 19:44 VanessaE that went so far over my head, high-altitude planes could fly under it. 19:44 Calinou hhhhhmmmph 19:44 * Calinou opened the unit vector page and feels like he's sucking so much at math 19:45 Jordach fuck vectors 19:45 Jordach like you will EVER USE THEM IN REAL LIFE. 19:45 VanessaE next time, just say fucking range of the value 19:45 VanessaE (in the api I mean) 19:45 Jordach in fact, why do we need school 19:46 Jordach it gives us pointless bullshit. 19:46 VanessaE there are plenty of instances where school teaches you stuff you'll never use in real life, and I hated it myself, but I still highly value it overall. 19:46 Calinou it's a conspiracy to transform us into consumers, you didn't know? 19:46 iqualfragile Jordach: in fact you use them in real life 19:46 Calinou it's a necessary bad thing, just like google ads 19:47 iqualfragile VanessaE: a unit vector is just a vector with a length of one 19:47 VanessaE iqualfragile: which tells me precisely dick, in the context of minetest. 19:48 VanessaE does it mean a value of 0 is 0 degrees, 0.5 is 180, 0.9999999999 is 359.99? 19:48 VanessaE or some other range? 19:48 sapier no 19:48 sapier 3.14... is 180 19:48 iqualfragile sapier: bogenmaß? 19:49 sapier everything else would be more ugly than everyone can tell :-) 19:49 sapier defining a own mesurement system for angles :) 19:50 Traxie21 Reconnected... 19:50 Traxie21 Stupid IT people 19:50 Calinou "IT guy" is pejorative 19:50 Calinou "technician" is even worse, be happy :) 19:50 * Calinou stares at Jordach because he once said "* Jordach wouldnt mind Calinou as his IT guy" 19:51 VanessaE So, anyone feel like making a particles mod like sfan5's old one, but using particle spawners? :) 19:51 VanessaE (at least for torches) 19:51 * sfan5 v 19:51 VanessaE I'm too lazy to learn how to use those right now :D 19:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radians 19:51 sfan5 -v 19:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: I know what radians are, and get_look_dir() is not based on radians but another unit that wasn't explained in the API. 19:52 Calinou you said -v :P 19:52 Traxie21 @VanessaE: Particles are derned easy. I used it the first time in potions, and its got a very shallow learning curve 19:52 Traxie21 PilzAdam: How would one speed up a particle with a velocity/direction set by get_look_dir()? 19:52 PilzAdam VanessaE, well, then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_vector 19:52 sapier get look dir isn't radians??? 19:52 VanessaE Traxie21: I'm sure it's easy, I'm just too lazy to look it up right now :) 19:52 Traxie21 Fine 19:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: you're lagging, I already looked at that article 10 mins ago. 19:52 Calinou https://startpage.com/do/search?query=get_look_dir() 19:52 Calinou ^ 19:53 Calinou look at the first results, Traxie21 19:53 PilzAdam VanessaE, I like wikipedia 19:53 sapier ahhh it's a vector :-) 19:53 Traxie21 minetest.add_particle(pos, velocity, acceleration, expirationtime, 19:53 Traxie21 size, collisiondetection, texture, playername) 19:53 Traxie21 ^ Spawn particle at pos with velocity and acceleration 19:53 Traxie21 ^ Disappears after expirationtime seconds 19:53 Traxie21 ^ collisiondetection: if true collides with physical objects 19:53 Traxie21 ^ Uses texture (string) 19:53 Traxie21 ^ Playername is optional, if specified spawns particle only on the player's client 19:53 Traxie21 minetest.add_particlespawner(amount, time, 19:53 Traxie21 minpos, maxpos, 19:53 Traxie21 minvel, maxvel, 19:53 PilzAdam Traxie21, use fucking pastebin 19:53 Traxie21 minacc, maxacc, 19:53 Traxie21 minexptime, maxexptime, 19:53 Traxie21 minsize, maxsize, 19:53 thefamilygrog66 hahaha 19:53 Traxie21 collisiondetection, texture, playername) 19:53 Traxie21 ^ Add a particlespawner, an object that spawns an amount of particles over time seconds 19:53 Exio !pastebin Traxie21 19:53 Traxie21 ^ The particle's properties are random values in between the boundings: 19:53 Traxie21 ^ minpos/maxpos, minvel/maxvel (velocity), minacc/maxacc (acceleration), 19:54 Traxie21 ^ minsize/maxsize, minexptime/maxexptime (expirationtime) 19:54 Traxie21 ^ collisiondetection: if true uses collisiondetection 19:54 Traxie21 ^ Uses texture (string) 19:54 Traxie21 ^ Playername is optional, if specified spawns particle only on the player's client 19:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, +q please 19:54 Traxie21 ^ If time is 0 has infinite lifespan and spawns the amount on a per-second base 19:54 Traxie21 ^ Returns and id 19:54 Traxie21 wow, bigpaste 19:54 Traxie21 There Vanessa, so you dont have to goo look it up 19:54 Traxie21 sorry 19:54 VanessaE too late :) 19:54 Traxie21 but Vanessa didn't want to look it up 19:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, not too late 19:54 PilzAdam +q for an hour or so 19:55 VanessaE no. 19:55 Traxie21 Calinou: Particles seem to use a different velocity system 19:57 TheBonsai at least some more traffic here :D 19:59 Calinou TheBonsai uses IRC as root, seems legit 19:59 Traxie21 Calinou: I tried that, but I need a different offset 19:59 Traxie21 I can't get the particle position 20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie21 minitest 1.3 should be out by this weekend hopefully 20:00 Traxie21 Good! 20:00 Calinou look at some mods do stuff, like the weather mod? 20:00 Traxie21 SunriseTest seems broken, and wont start 20:00 Calinou can you even get a particle position? particles are client side 20:00 Traxie21 Calinou: Afaik, nothing like this has been done with particles before 20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet fcat this week. so...when are you leaving 20:01 Traxie21 I know, thats why Vec3 is not working 20:01 Traxie21 jojoa1997: next week or so 20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet ok we will miss you 20:01 Calinou "fcat"... frame capture analysis tool :P 20:01 TheBonsai Calinou: it's just xchat config, mainly historical reasons for some other channel here :) 20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet what is over in the new place 20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i was wondering 20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean job 20:02 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, october? 20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Also Traxie21 mobs and redstone should be out by then 20:02 Traxie21 Really? 20:03 Traxie21 I saw the skeletons, they're intresting 20:03 jojoa1997|Tablet well super simplified redstone and cows 20:03 PilzAdam Traxie21, of course you cant get the position of particles 20:03 Traxie21 it still seems somewhat rough around the edges though 20:03 jojoa1997|Tablet there is a 3d model now 20:03 PilzAdam and you cant change their properties once they are createed 20:03 PilzAdam -e 20:04 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, If you add mobs to MiniTest then you ruin the game 20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet why? 20:04 PilzAdam because Minetests mob handling sucks 20:04 PilzAdam or the mob mods 20:04 sdzen indeed 20:04 sdzen actually I was using sapiers mob mod again 20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet it will just be cows skeletos and zombies 20:04 sdzen and it actually worked rather nice 20:05 sapier can you be more precise about what sucks pilzadam? sounds like something to improve ;-) 20:05 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 20:05 sdzen when nothing broke that is 20:05 sdzen works good 20:05 jojoa1997|Tablet sapier maybe i will use mobf with some things taken out 20:05 Calinou no creepers, endermen, withers, wither skeletons, ender dragons, cave spiders, spiders, pigs, sheep, bats, squid, wolves, villagers, witches, zombie villagers, snow golems, iron golems? :( 20:05 PilzAdam sapier, server lag and missing client prediction is the main problem 20:05 Calinou ( ;) ) 20:05 jojoa1997|Tablet i will use mobf for its capabilities 20:05 sdzen but I got a crash when I hit the things on occasion 20:05 PilzAdam then there are too few callbacks for animation/sound 20:05 sapier client does predict? 20:06 sdzen lag? 20:06 Calinou nope 20:06 PilzAdam (e.g. the animation is always looped, no single punch animation possible) 20:06 sdzen I didn't see much lag 20:06 * jojoa1997|Tablet is going to play some minecraft adventure maps and will get ideas 20:06 Calinou non-looping animations would be great, +1 20:06 PilzAdam sapier, it doesnt, thats the problem 20:06 Calinou death anims too 20:06 Calinou unless someone wants to implement ragdolls :P 20:06 PilzAdam it only predicts the velocity, pos of the mob 20:06 Traxie21 gaah 20:06 PilzAdam and that sucks 20:06 Traxie21 I have no idea what the duck vectors are 20:06 sapier no client does predict acceleration too 20:07 sapier you can't predict random changes per definition ;-) 20:07 TheBonsai heh 20:07 sapier still the way client does predict has a problem 20:08 sapier if you use acceleration client will interpolate speed to insane values if server lags 20:08 sapier and yes single animation is a big problem 20:08 PilzAdam sapier, the client doesnt predict acceleration 20:08 sapier it does 20:08 PilzAdam it only predicts velocity based on acceleration, and pos based on velocity 20:09 sapier that's what I'm talking about 20:09 PilzAdam I never saw a client changing acceleration without a server command 20:09 sapier what do you mean with not predict acceleration? 20:09 PilzAdam it keeps the acceleration until the server tells it to change 20:09 sapier I see ... wouldn't make sense to change acceleration by client as this is genuine random? 20:10 PilzAdam well, the acceleration is static at -10/-9.81 for mobs 20:10 PilzAdam so I guess thats not the problem 20:10 sapier no it isn't mobf uses acceleration for x/z too 20:10 sdzen hey pilzadam, why is there no game.conf for common gamemode? 20:11 PilzAdam sdzen, because it isnt a game 20:11 sapier so this prediction is a huge problem in lag situations 20:11 Traxie21 Huh 20:11 iqualfragile its funny how two germans use english to communicate 20:11 Traxie21 Using vectors as velocities only works if the vectors are normal 20:11 sdzen I thought it was pilzadam 20:11 sdzen looked like it 20:11 Traxie21 If they're added, it seems to change it to positions or smth 20:11 PilzAdam sapier, maybe thats why in mobf mobs sometimes fly away at huge speeds 20:11 sdzen has default/doors 20:12 sdzen functions exactly like one 20:12 PilzAdam sapier, simple mobs sets the velocity directly, so no flying away if the client lags at acceleration 20:12 TheBonsai sdzen: it's more a base template for common stuff games can kind of "import" 20:12 PilzAdam sdzen, its more like a libary 20:12 sapier yes there are at least two situations where this happens ... first if client and server get out of sync about active entities 20:12 sapier second --> lag 20:13 sdzen sounds kinda lame when it has nothing then :) 20:13 sdzen why does this exist then? 20:13 sapier yes I know ... I didin't use this way to get smooth direction changes 20:13 TheBonsai sdzen: to make a game definition use the stuff without having it in its own directory 20:14 PilzAdam sapier, I would remove it in favor of mobs flying away, even if it doesnt look so good 20:14 sapier simplemobs movement changes imho look wierd 20:14 PilzAdam +not 20:14 TheBonsai sdzen: check game.conf from minetest_game, keyword "common_mods" 20:14 sdzen ooh 20:14 sdzen so its neglegence 20:14 PilzAdam sapier, yes, but its effective :-) 20:14 PilzAdam and its only 1 LOC 20:15 TheBonsai sdzen: yours ;-) 20:15 sapier mobf has different movement gens one using velocity only too ... everyone is free to build it's own mobs using this ... I don't like it so I don't use it ;) 20:16 PilzAdam sapier, back on topic: generally whole on_step prediction on client side would be a huge benefit for mobs 20:16 sapier you can't predict random things on client side per definition 20:16 PilzAdam sapier, one thing I learned: nobody will ever use the APIs of your mods 20:17 PilzAdam but in simple mobs fighting mode, for example, there is nothing random 20:17 sapier I know ;-) but I've learned a clean interface drasticaly reduces maintenance effort too 20:17 PilzAdam maybe predict everything that is not random based is enough 20:18 sapier what isn't random if a player is involved? 20:18 TheBonsai server step :D 20:18 sapier no server step is quite random as you can't predict stepsize 20:19 PilzAdam sapier, in simple mobs random is only used in the "walk" and "stand" states to change direction/state 20:19 TheBonsai sorry, just babbling. i'm at 0% API and engine theory at the moment :P 20:19 PilzAdam math.random() that is 20:19 PilzAdam so the whole fighting code is 100% predictable on client side 20:19 PilzAdam *would be 20:20 sapier no it isn't 20:20 sapier how to predict if player 2 is punching at that microsecond or another 20:20 sapier maybe that'd work in singleplayer but why predict in singleplayer? 20:20 PilzAdam we also have lag in singleplayer 20:21 sdzen TheBonsai: nope 20:21 sapier yes but I don't see any real solution in adding additional prediction ... imho it's a workaround 20:22 TheBonsai sdzen: i don't get the problem 20:22 PilzAdam prediction is always a workaround to hide network latency 20:22 sdzen thats because there is none 20:22 TheBonsai sdzen: aaaah :) 20:22 sdzen I just find common rather irrelevent to have 20:22 PilzAdam and math.random() could also be predicted by using PseudoRandom() and an init seed 20:23 sapier yes but I guess limit prediction to some reasonable timeline is even better 20:23 PilzAdam sure 20:23 PilzAdam same as current node placement prediction 20:23 sapier it's like weather forecast the longer your prediction interval the worse the results 20:23 PilzAdam *similiar to 20:23 PilzAdam if connection is really fucked up then no prediction can help you :-) 20:24 TheBonsai sdzen: it just makes you able to focus your game design on your mods and import the rest from standard distribution (e.g. you won't have to update common mods everytime they update in distribution, etc.) 20:24 sapier so lets say after 5/10/15/30 seconds interpolation of position based upon velocity and acceleration is most likely to be wrong 20:24 mauvebic does anyone know if zimg.eu is ever coming back up? if not, 2/3's of my posts will have to be removed 20:24 PilzAdam sapier, and also the 2 player attacking one mob is really the worst case one can imagine 20:24 sapier as you say if you don't get a position update for 5 seconds you can't play either 20:25 sapier it's not a worst case but a very common case in multiplayer games ;-) 20:25 PilzAdam it is the worst case in terms of prediction 20:25 sdzen of course then your game can't alter anything in those folders without getting overridden. 20:25 sdzen cant do it well anyway 20:26 PilzAdam its like node placement prediction when 2 players place a node at the exact same position at the exact same time 20:26 sapier true ... imho current prediction doesn't honor validity of prediction results to a reasonable degree 20:26 TheBonsai sdzen: that's why you can specify what to import. if you have such a case, then just copy this one specific mod out, remove it from the common_mods specification and maintain it yourself 20:26 PilzAdam the problem is that we have except for position and velocity no prediction at all 20:26 * sdzen just doesn't think consolidating (and this is consolidating) is a good idea 20:26 PilzAdam wich is the worst thing we can do (again the wors thing :-)) 20:26 PilzAdam +t 20:26 sapier stopping a entity if server hasn't sent an update for 5 seconds doesn't harm anyone but will improve player experience quite 20:27 PilzAdam also, some prediction for carts would be awesome too 20:27 sapier you can't do much prediction if you want to have mod support 20:27 TheBonsai sdzen: consolidate what's possible, copy&paste the rest - always a good idea in software :-) 20:27 Calinou sapier, +1 20:27 PilzAdam you actually can with client side API 20:27 PilzAdam and send the on_step_predict() or so 20:28 PilzAdam basically a limited version of the server API 20:28 sapier synchronizing lets say 32 clients throughout network? 20:28 PilzAdam prediction doesnt syncronite at all 20:28 PilzAdam all stuff will be overwritten by the data that the server sends 20:29 PilzAdam -t +z 20:29 jojoa1997|Tablet wow 20:29 sapier I doubt this will be worth the work that needs to be done to get this in a state where it'd help anything 20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet you have been talking prediction all this time 20:30 sapier imho there are more promising improvements that are way less work to be done 20:30 PilzAdam I really think that more prediction on the client side is one thing that makes a big difference between MC and MT 20:31 sapier what do you want to predict pilzadam? 20:31 PilzAdam doors, mobs, carts 20:32 PilzAdam basically every client interaction that is handled in Lua 20:32 PilzAdam it has latency currently because its send to server, handled there and send back to client 20:32 sapier you're talking in buzzwords some things can be predicted others cant 20:32 ShadowNinja how about smarter node placement prediction? like placing wallmounted nodes properly and not replacing non-buildable-to nodes 20:32 VanessaE brb 20:32 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, c55 doesnt like that 20:33 ShadowNinja I know... 20:33 PilzAdam prediction should be simple according to him 20:33 PilzAdam sapier, e.g. opening a door 20:33 PilzAdam if I play on servers thats actually a huge problem 20:33 ShadowNinja I think it should be better, it would be quite simple to do 20:33 sapier might be a thing where prediction would mean "changing visible state of a node on punch" 20:34 ShadowNinja In fact I will do it if you will merge it 20:34 sapier but you should consider in general we are talking about rrt's < 1s 20:35 sapier I don't think a mob reaction time < 1s is a problem 20:35 sapier any rrt > 1s imho is a bug in server 20:37 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaTRidg/screenshot_344762923.png 20:38 sapier whats this? 20:38 mauvebic screwing around with lighting, accidently got a lavalamp lol 20:40 thefamilygrog66 mauvebic: screwing around with lighting, purposely got a lavalamp: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5571 :) 20:41 sapier is there a clock mod? 20:41 thefamilygrog66 there's a watch mod in progress, I think 20:41 mauvebic mine was accidental :p 20:41 thefamilygrog66 you win! 20:41 thefamilygrog66 haha 20:41 mauvebic that anim would work just as well for warp cores actually 20:42 mauvebic whats with the red dot/ripple effect in the center? some sort of hypnosis? lol 20:42 thefamilygrog66 psychedelic warp cores? 20:42 PilzAdam sapier, bug in object object collision: place some rats into a 1x1 shaft 20:42 PilzAdam they will escape it when colliding to each other 20:42 mauvebic voyager's warp core is like that anyways, though i made tngs' for my ships 20:42 PilzAdam seems like object object collission has more priority than object node collission 20:43 jojoa1997|Tablet why does sand and gravel light up when falling 20:44 thefamilygrog66_ mauvebic: that red circle is part of the screencast-o-matic software I used for the screen capture. It is kinda hypnotizing though, isn't it? 20:44 mauvebic what OS are you on? 20:45 thefamilygrog66_ currently windows xp, why? 20:45 jojoa1997|Tablet thefamilygrog66_ what circle. vidoe or screenie please? 20:45 thefamilygrog66_ http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3538/lavademo2a.gif 20:45 mauvebic nevermind, i would have recommended xvidcap for lin 20:46 Calinou wb Traxie21, you got eaten by an onion twice already :) 20:46 thefamilygrog66_ can xvidcap export as .gifs? 20:46 Traxie21 shit, those onions are sneaky 20:46 * thefamilygrog66_ also has a linux machine 20:46 Calinou mauvebic, zimg is frequently down for a few days IIRC 20:47 sapier pilzadam it should be same but maybe it's due to execution order, what happens? 20:47 Calinou night everyone, bye 20:47 mauvebic if its not zimg then its ompldr lol 20:47 thefamilygrog66 see ya calinou 20:47 Calinou nothing to pee here, mauvebic :> 20:47 mauvebic running a small server off my comp would have better uptime lol 20:50 ShadowNinja If anyone wants it I make it so that the client wouldn't predict replacing nodes that are not buildable_to, It only takes two lines. 20:51 PilzAdam sapier, the rats can escape from here: http://ompldr.org/vaTRjMg/Unbenannt.png 20:52 PilzAdam they push each other into the nodes 20:52 PilzAdam node collission should have higher priority 20:52 sapier there's nothing like a priority 20:54 PilzAdam if I walk against a mob, it pushes me throug walls 20:54 sapier ok, I guess push back should be disabled for collisions with objects 20:55 PilzAdam it only pushe me if I keep walking against it 20:55 sapier hmm don't even know how push back works at al 20:55 PilzAdam it just goes through me if I stand still 20:55 sapier yes 20:55 ShadowNinja Is there a way to make object <-> object collision less important than object <-> node collision? 20:55 sapier ok seams player isn't an object 20:55 sapier or doesn't have a collision box 20:56 khonkhortisan I have a node that steals on_rightclick to open and close a curtain. When I rightclick it with the same node, placement prediction puts a temporary node next to it. If I rightclick on the temporary node, it makes a permanant node next to that. So using placement prediction, I've just built_to air. 20:56 PilzAdam sapier, object collission works only for Lua entities, yes 20:57 sapier it should work for all objects, player is an object too but maybe there is a bug ... 20:57 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: on_rightclick should disable node placement prediction 20:57 sapier collisions are handled exactly same way for objects and nodes so no way to do any priority handling with current minetest collision detection 20:58 khonkhortisan yes, it should, but it doesn't. 20:58 ShadowNinja hmmm, only with the same node? 20:58 PilzAdam Traxie21, remove the potions 20:58 ShadowNinja And the client is recent? 20:58 sapier if you do separate handling you'll increase collision calculation cpu usage about factor 2 20:59 Traxie21 ok 20:59 PilzAdam Traxie21, I want MiniTest to be like Minecraft alpha first 20:59 Traxie21 alrighty 20:59 Traxie21 Removing... 20:59 PilzAdam Traxie21, also: no subprojects 20:59 Traxie21 ? 20:59 Traxie21 In what sense? 21:00 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/commit/507cec3e01579e55e4c5f524c81d83307f0b206a#L3R1 21:00 sapier1 and introduce another option for inconsistencys 21:00 Traxie21 Huh 21:00 Traxie21 That was probably an accident when I was committing, I don't quit know how to use GitCola yet 21:01 jordan4ibanez Let's all take a moment to admire this image http://i.imgur.com/p5vxcku.gif 21:01 sapier1 pilzadam content_sao.cpp L 1476 is problem with player beeing punched through walls :-) 21:01 Traxie21 jordan4ibanez: Offical response: What? 21:02 TheBonsai PilzAdam: you could add BlockMen's (a bit buggy) crafting mod (small personal crafting table + workbenche) 21:02 Deivan I think I found a bug in the function minetest.get_craft_result. I am losting the entire stack of itens from the first position of the bench. 21:02 jordan4ibanez It's a cat posing for a pig modeling company 21:02 TheBonsai -e 21:02 Deivan But this never happen before. 21:02 Deivan :-o 21:02 PilzAdam TheBonsai, add it to what? 21:03 thefamilygrog66 poor cat 21:03 Deivan The decremented input returned lost the entire first slot... 21:03 TheBonsai PilzAdam: ah, MiniTest (--> "I want MiniTest to be like Minecraft alpha first") 21:03 Deivan Is it. 21:04 PilzAdam TheBonsai, Traxie21 already added that (I think) 21:04 Deivan Maybe is what is happen with the moreblocks circular saw. 21:04 TheBonsai PilzAdam: ah fine then 21:04 Traxie21 Just tested BlockMens crafting mod, afaik, no bugs whatsoever 21:05 TheBonsai i have weird behaviour sometimes, and i can't reprodice it by will 21:05 sapier1 pilzadam to fix the collision issue a player collisionbox needs to be added, any objections? 21:05 TheBonsai *duce 21:05 TheBonsai *WURSTFINGER* 21:05 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaTRjOA/screenshot_346547650.png 21:05 Deivan Nice green torchs. 21:05 Deivan :D 21:06 PilzAdam TheBonsai, sausage finger, were in a english IRC 21:06 Traxie21 Nice 21:06 mauvebic first time everything else looks normal lol 21:06 Traxie21 Interesting, metadata such as formspecs does not change if a block is aliased 21:06 mauvebic i had to split rg into r and g though 21:06 paxcoder !up boomtown.gameboom.net 21:06 MinetestBot boomtown.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down 21:06 TheBonsai PilzAdam: i know we are, been here (on freenode) for a while :) yea, you're right.. 21:07 mauvebic finally, lighting for a borg cube lol 21:07 Traxie21 So many friggin pushes :I 21:08 TheBonsai so let's read BlockMen's code again. there must be something. it looks weird though. isn't it possible to extend the player property table with custom stuff? 21:09 PilzAdam TheBonsai, just create your own table in the mod wich is indexed by the player name 21:09 PilzAdam and save it to disk if necesseray 21:11 Deivan Someone confirm to me if is corret my informatino about a bug in the function minetest.get_craft_result? 21:11 Deivan ...before I lost hours testing my code. :-/ 21:11 PilzAdam Deivan, what bug? 21:12 Deivan I am losting the entire stack of items from the first position of the source material, in the output. 21:12 Deivan Is working 2~3 days ago... 21:12 Deivan I think. 21:12 TheBonsai PilzAdam: it's not "my table", i just wondered if a global variable is the way to go to switch between states of something. just reading the simple code for my personal Lua and API party to get a bit into it. didn't want to start with carts :-) 21:13 PilzAdam sapier1, any side effects imagineable? 21:14 sapier I don't think so simple way is adding this to playersao ... but it'd be a copy as it's created in localplayer too 21:14 sapier I don't like data that needs to be kept in sync 21:14 PilzAdam would it be possible to remove it from localplayer then? 21:15 sapier by moving collision box to player class 21:15 sapier as local player as well as playersao are derived objects of player 21:16 PilzAdam would that also make possible to change the collision box with the API? 21:16 PilzAdam (via object:set_proberties()) 21:16 sapier it wont make it possible directly but only adding a lua function would be required additionaly 21:17 PilzAdam you can change all other properties for the player 21:19 sapier so moving collisionbox from localplayer to player would be first step 21:20 Traxie21 How hard would lua control of the camera be? 21:20 paxcoder what's the diff? 21:20 Uberi too laggy, Traxie21 21:21 PilzAdam Traxie21, we already have set_yaw and pitch for camera 21:21 paxcoder oh nvm, read above 21:21 * Uberi really wants per-player fov control in Lua 21:22 Deivan Yes, is a bug in the function, my workbench don't calculate the result of a craft, the function request to the minetest.get_craft_result and receive the result. 21:22 Deivan When I put the recipe in the second columm I dont lost items. 21:23 Deivan To bad... :-/ 21:23 Deivan Maybe no, I need more tests... AFk 21:26 PilzAdam Deivan, maybe look at how furnaces use the function for an example 21:27 Deivan My function is workning a months... 21:27 Deivan working... 21:27 Deivan Only have two possibilities, I am erasing the first position of the grid of a bug in the function. 21:27 PilzAdam you are using minetest.get_craft_result()? 21:27 Deivan Yes. 21:28 Deivan or a bug... 21:31 PilzAdam Deivan, the function wasnt touched for months 21:32 PilzAdam it was only moved in eb90c3d92dac8a04019ccca875a9162739ddd7f1 21:32 Deivan Well... I lost many time working in the bigger versions of the bench then I lost the fault, maybe. I dumped the exit of the funcion. 21:33 Deivan Have a nil in the first position and have the correct material in the second. Maybe is some wrong with my vars... Hum... I need debug this. I need some hours. 21:33 Deivan AFK 21:35 RealBadAngel hi all 21:35 * RealBadAngel yawns 21:36 Uberi hey RealBadAngel 21:36 PilzAdam hey RBA 21:36 RealBadAngel whats up? 21:36 PilzAdam I have finished 3/5 of my Abitur exams :-) 21:37 RealBadAngel good luck with remainin ones :) 21:38 * VanessaE is back 21:38 RealBadAngel hi VanessaE 21:38 VanessaE hey 21:38 sokomine hi 21:38 Uberi o/ VanessaE 21:39 RealBadAngel whos good here with meshes? i mean creating .x files 21:39 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, enable "DirectX" somewhere in blender then you can export as .x 21:39 VanessaE presitidigator has. 21:40 Traxie21 marow 21:40 RealBadAngel im not any good at blender 21:40 RealBadAngel i need something like this: 21:40 RealBadAngel http://preview.turbosquid.com/Preview/2012/05/21__12_13_57/prevcry0001.jpg0e7ef97f-d194-45c2-85ab-222358e0005eLarge.jpg 21:40 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, and I dont have blender :-) 21:41 sdzen you will find that every person in #minetest is no good at blender either 21:41 RealBadAngel hehe 21:41 sdzen anyone who defys this 21:41 PilzAdam Im just running the standard ".x help in blender" procedur 21:41 VanessaE until we get node meshes, I wouldn't put too much effort into stuff like that, RBA. 21:41 sdzen please raise your hand 21:41 RealBadAngel VanessaE, im testing it right now 21:41 * Uberi explodes suddenly 21:41 PilzAdam +e 21:41 VanessaE oh! 21:41 RealBadAngel thats why i do need models :) 21:42 VanessaE use this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5026 21:42 RealBadAngel ive just added new drawtype 21:42 VanessaE that's a small, about-node-sized mesh 21:42 Uberi look at the poly count on that thing 21:42 VanessaE inb4 PilzAdam says it violates the blocky/voxel concept 21:43 PilzAdam ^ 21:43 PilzAdam I actually started typing something :-) 21:43 sokomine i'd still like to have the model of a goat. they'd be more likely to occoure as individual animals (not in groups as sheep would) and could climb easier 21:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: so you are free not to use mods that employ such drawtypes. 21:44 PilzAdam I will ban everyone from contributing to Minetest who wants to add a not blocky node model to the default game(s) 21:44 VanessaE in that case, ban yourself for adding grass. :) 21:44 PilzAdam with model I mean meshes 21:44 sokomine the non-blocky model could be delivered in a nice blocky box :) 21:44 PilzAdam with RBAs drawtype 21:45 Uberi are 3D wielditems possible? 21:45 PilzAdam also AFAIK Terasology does this 21:45 VanessaE Uberi: to a degree 21:45 PilzAdam (using meshes) 21:45 Uberi nodeboxen, right? 21:45 PilzAdam they are 2.5D 21:45 VanessaE Uberi: I think so 21:45 mauvebic starting to look good: http://ompldr.org/vaTRjcQ/screenshot_348955747.png 21:46 Uberi no full 3D? I'm wondering because of the way people did 3D stuff before drawtype="mesh" 21:46 RealBadAngel new drawtype is supposed to support things like crystal formations, animated machines etc 21:46 PilzAdam mauvebic, too lazy to type a nick? 21:46 VanessaE mauvebic: that's a green light source on top of the normally blue-lighted nighttime? 21:46 mauvebic PilzAdam who's nick? 21:47 RealBadAngel or models that were too complex to be done using nodeboxes 21:47 mauvebic VanessaE yep, green light, everything else is normal 21:47 PilzAdam mauvebic, "clients={Guest2231}" 21:47 mauvebic meh, its a special compiled version lol 21:47 VanessaE mauvebic: how close is this to working "generically"? 21:47 mauvebic you mean being able to specify colors? not at all right now, the color is hardcoded :/ 21:47 VanessaE damn 21:48 Uberi did someone say colored lighting? :P 21:48 VanessaE still, proof of concept 21:48 mauvebic took me a day to change just the lighting color without affecting all the rest 21:48 VanessaE Uberi: mauvebic's link ^^^^^^ 21:48 Uberi lovely 21:48 mauvebic if you wanna see the evolution: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84552#p84552 21:48 sokomine well, colored lighting would certainly make inocudom very happy :-) 21:48 VanessaE I've wanted this ever since bobblocks mod came out, and homedecor could really use it too 21:48 mauvebic i think there would be a shitton of new mods that could make use of this 21:49 sokomine i'd personally enjoy stronger light...so that i don't have to plaster everything with homedecor-ceiling-lights 21:49 mauvebic that can be done too: 21:49 VanessaE sokomine: heh. brightest light in the game save for super glow glass and it's still too dim :) 21:49 mauvebic 359~361 in mapblock_mesh.cpp: static u8 emphase_yellow_when_artificial[16] = { 21:49 mauvebic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 21:49 mauvebic }; 21:50 Uberi really? Meselamps are LIGHT_MAX - 1 21:50 Uberi LIGHT_MAX would be sunlight I assume 21:50 mauvebic i know nothing about day/night cycle lighting lol 21:50 sokomine the homedecor-light appears brighter than superglowglass because it has a white texture. but even that's often not enough 21:51 sokomine a few neon-lamps are usually enough to provide large rooms with enough lights 21:52 mauvebic im surprised ive gotten this far lol ive gotten next to no sleep this week lol 21:52 sokomine afaik real daylight is by orders of magnitude brighter than most indoor artificial light sources - yet we do not live in eternal twilight in our houses and do not have to plaster walls, ceiling and floor with lamps.... 21:52 * sokomine crafts a bed and moves mauvebic into it 21:53 mauvebic lol thanks 21:53 Uberi speak for yourself, sokomine 21:53 VanessaE RealBadAngel: finally, homedecor will be able to have proper, 3d, round tabletops ;-) 21:53 mauvebic sokomine create light fixtures that adds invisible light nodes around it, thats what i do 21:53 PilzAdam sokomine, wich color? 21:53 PilzAdam (beds mod has colors now!) 21:53 mauvebic im partially colourblind so it dont matter lol 21:53 VanessaE sokomine: the problem is that the game doesn't simulate your irises opening up to gather more light indoors 21:53 mauvebic (the irony) 21:53 VanessaE (or closing off to attenuate the sunlight) 21:54 mauvebic everything between dark blue ~ dark green and grey is all the same to me 21:54 mauvebic certain shades of red appear brown to me too 21:54 sokomine hm. that might be a solution, mauvebic. with the minecraft-import-function, i even went so far as to giving each node a light value. it still looked a bit strange. much micht have been the effect of the import and light not having been updated 21:55 mauvebic though, if youre fixture adds light nodes, you need to account for them when turning it off too 21:55 sokomine pilzadam: good question :) i have some surplus yellow wool... 21:55 PilzAdam fun fact: MC does it light calculation client side 21:55 mauvebic and make them buildable to and non pointable 21:55 mauvebic PilzAdam ive thought about that 21:55 mauvebic when it was said adding colour would slow things down (bandwidth) 21:55 sokomine as for the light source - that is of less importance to me. i just want to have to place less of the light sources in rooms that are supposed to be well lighted 21:56 mauvebic if it works for particlespawners... :-) 21:56 PilzAdam going to sleep now; bye 21:56 jordan4ibanez goodnight 21:56 Uberi see ya 21:57 sokomine hm, yes, adaption of the iris is hardly possible in this situation 21:57 jordan4ibanez I think I have outdone myself 21:57 mauvebic nite 21:58 jordan4ibanez night* 21:58 mauvebic im not off, saying that to P-A 21:59 mauvebic i got my 3 hours this morning 21:59 sokomine hm, sunset/sunrise does seem to led to a decay in framerate on my hardware 21:59 mauvebic wife kept steamrolling me all night, figured i might as well watch 5 movies 22:00 mauvebic and if its not that its a knee in the back lol 22:04 sdzen can we vote that guest[Insert number here] shouldn't be allowed on minetest servers as a valid name? 22:04 Deivan I found the error... PilzAdam, already is gone... :-o 22:04 Deivan AFK 22:05 Uberi sdzen: pfft, life finds a way 22:05 Uberi prepare for the onslaught of test[insert number here] 22:07 sdzen Uberi: it already has happened 22:07 sdzen and half of them dont even use passwords 22:12 Cheesus hello? anybody here 22:12 Uberi hi Cheesus 22:12 sokomine hi 22:12 sdzen no 22:12 sdzen we are all dead 22:12 sdzen go away 22:12 Cheesus :D we r zombies 22:13 sdzen nonsense, you see those people who responded? they are bots who greet regardless 22:13 Uberi purple monkey dishwasher 22:13 sdzen and I am just a figment of your imagination 22:14 * Kacey waves his hands infront of his face 22:14 Cheesus uberiiii r u a zombie? 22:14 Uberi no, I just have greetings tourette's 22:15 * sdzen is actually real last he checked. 22:15 [0gb_us] HI! HELLO! WELCOME! 22:15 Cheesus how old e u people? 22:15 [0gb_us] Oh, sorry for the outbust. Greetings tourette's. 22:15 sdzen timeless 22:15 Uberi hahaha 22:16 [0gb_us] I'm twenty-three, but I don't see why it matters. 22:16 sdzen eh maturity level around here is about 12 all around 22:16 sdzen age wise we are all 35 year old men, 22:16 sdzen dont let anyone say different 22:16 sdzen they obviously are lying 22:16 Cheesus poll: what should i eat at home? pizza or cookies 22:17 Uberi cookie pizza, duh 22:17 [0gb_us] Go with pizza. 22:17 Koren I'm 12 you want to be my friend ? I have gummy bears 22:17 Uberi you're just asking self-answering questions now 22:17 [0gb_us] Cookie pizza? That does not sound appetizing. 22:17 sdzen indeed 22:17 Uberi are you sure? https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1280&bih=642&q=cookie+pizza&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&tbm=isch 22:18 sokomine since we're on mt, we ought to recommend apples. they're at least in common and healthy :-) 22:18 Cheesus lol i just found minetest on reddit :p 22:18 jordan4ibanez does find_node_near give the position of the found node, or does it give a position near the found node? 22:18 [0gb_us] Those look like pizza cookies, not cookie pizza. There is a big difference. 22:18 Cheesus i only gotz oranges and strawberries 22:19 Uberi jordan4ibanez: position of it 22:19 sdzen sounds like position of found 22:20 TheBonsai Traxie21: 'nother one (more by design). leave workbench inventory (ESC) and put the mouse cursor outside the formspec before (to be able to immediately make keyboard input again without moving first to hide the mouse cursor). pressing I shows the workbench formspec (as expected from code). also (the one before): playing a bit around with this glitch sometimes makes the workbench 3x3 grid only accepting items in the first 4 fields 22:20 jordan4ibanez Thank you 22:20 Cheesus btw since there r so modders here...how do i make an item stick into a block? 22:20 Traxie21 TheBonsai alrighty 22:20 Uberi Cheesus: tape and glue 22:21 Cheesus boooogers 22:22 Uberi that works too, sometimes 22:22 sdzen make a bunch of nodes with the item in them, register on punch click and remove from inventory? 22:22 sdzen idk 22:22 sdzen why would you want that? 22:24 Kacey hey Uberi, did you ever set up a server? 22:24 Uberi nah I went to eat some food instead 22:25 TheBonsai guess there's no sane callback or similar to react when a player closes his inventory formspec 22:26 jordan4ibanez traxie21 want to try out minetest black's new skylands teleportation function? 22:26 Traxie21 mebbe 22:26 Uberi Kacey: I can set up the server tonight though, probably 22:27 Traxie21 bai 22:28 [0gb_us] jordan4ibanez: Is Minetest Black an engine fork? 22:28 jordan4ibanez No it's a game fork where I can do whatever I want to make the game crazy fun 22:28 [0gb_us] Ah, nice. 22:29 * [0gb_us] was going to create a crazy fun game fork, but found he wasn't creative enough to do so 22:30 jojoa1997|Tablet so... 22:30 * sdzen has a crazy fun game fork, without cactuses 22:30 Uberi you can't have a game without cactii 22:30 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone wanna code 5 items for me. i am too tired/lazy/want to work on a different thing 22:30 [0gb_us] Ooh! So crazy! 22:31 jojoa1997|Tablet NO! 22:31 sdzen no cactuses, and no diamonds 22:31 jojoa1997|Tablet cactii must heal when touched 22:31 [0gb_us] I'm no long coding anything Minetest related. Sorry, but it's a result of me quiting Minetest. 22:31 sdzen good 22:31 sdzen :P 22:32 sdzen I refuse to update my game mode to use common 22:32 [0gb_us] *longer 22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet AAAAHHHHHHHH MINITEST TAKES SO MUCH WORK TODAY 22:32 sdzen goood! 22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet i just want to sleep but i have 22:32 sdzen then sleep again 22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet EEEEEEKKKKK!!!!! HOMEWORK!!!!!!! 22:32 khonkhortisan The painting mod crashed because it tried to get the grid of pixels on a player that was inside the easel 22:32 Uberi feed it to your dog 22:33 * jojoa1997|Tablet jumps off a cliff and lands in a one water deep pool 22:33 * jojoa1997|Tablet XP 22:33 sdzen is it a LA paper? 22:33 khonkhortisan Now make it a 1^3 deep water pool that only appears after a piston moves because of a player detector that sees you falling 22:33 [0gb_us] Tablet XP? Was Windows XP ported to tablets? 22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet no 22:34 [0gb_us] It was a joke, jojoa1997|Tablet. 22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet it was a X eyes and P tounge 22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet of 22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet oh 22:34 [0gb_us] Yes, I know that. 22:34 sdzen take a document and corrupt it beyond use, send it to the teacher, say you had no idea what happened, get an extra day just by sending the actual paper a day late 22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet i am to tired to joke 22:35 jojoa1997|Tablet one problem 22:35 jojoa1997|Tablet it is a worksheet 22:35 khonkhortisan to tired too joke 22:35 sdzen how old are you? 22:35 jojoa1997|Tablet high school 22:35 TheBonsai n8 22:35 sdzen grade? 22:36 jojoa1997|Tablet 1-16 22:36 jojoa1997|Tablet so first to senior in college 22:36 * [0gb_us] now knows why the book is called learn C the hard way. 22:36 khonkhortisan freshman to senior in high scrool 22:36 sdzen then ditch it 22:36 jojoa1997|Tablet ? 22:36 khonkhortisan ditch the book, not school 22:37 jojoa1997|Tablet This summer i will learn C++ 22:37 [0gb_us] It's so hard to go through all the exercises that "teach" obvious things. 22:37 jojoa1997|Tablet but... 22:37 jojoa1997|Tablet in reality i will just make minitest awesome and fry my brain on more minecraft adventure maps 22:37 Uberi [0gb_us]: it's not meant for people who already know the fundementals 22:37 khonkhortisan new doesn't exist on its own 22:38 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] i can't even start reading a book 22:38 [0gb_us] According to the book, you're supposed to learn the fundamentals, THEN pick up the book. 22:38 mauvebic ive always felt like c/c++ books read more like resumes rather than teaching instruments 22:39 Uberi mauvebic: well they DO look very impressive sitting on the bookshelf 22:39 sdzen yes they do 22:39 mauvebic lots of examples, very few explanations lol 22:39 mauvebic hardly worth the price tag 22:39 mauvebic then i found this mega-torrent with hundreds of books 22:39 [0gb_us] I think I'll read through the code, and if I already understand every line of it, I will skip the example. 22:39 jojoa1997|Tablet simnple find a pdf onlin 22:39 jojoa1997|Tablet onlien 22:40 jojoa1997|Tablet onliner 22:40 jojoa1997|Tablet online 22:40 mauvebic trouble? :p 22:40 sdzen a friend of mine just kept one in his purse as a bragging topic 22:40 sdzen of having the fucking book 22:40 mauvebic like apple devices 22:41 mauvebic if i wanna be fashionable ill get a nice suit - idevices last all of a year lol 22:41 sdzen speaking of crapple 22:41 sdzen newest mac os x minetest build? 22:41 sdzen how neglected is it this time? 22:41 Uberi well 22:41 Uberi very 22:42 mauvebic were currently in the process of rounding up all our mac players and deporting them antarctica 22:42 mauvebic *them to 22:42 sdzen I feel sorry for them, it is the least supported minetest build ever :) 22:42 mauvebic im sure all three of them will understand :p 22:42 sdzen indeed 22:43 mauvebic if mac users were capable one of them would make builds 22:43 sdzen or use wine 22:43 mauvebic well no one else wants to use a dumbed-down OS, so why would we make mac builds 22:43 jojoa1997|Tablet so we switch to windows 22:44 mauvebic its up to them to figure it out 22:44 [0gb_us] Then again, you could say the same of Windows users. If Windows users were capable .... But yet Linux users are making builds for them. 22:44 * jojoa1997|Tablet and [0gb_us] attacks come 22:44 sdzen to please that one GNOME guy who I want to slap 22:44 mauvebic thing is, we have windows users who are willing to make windows builds, so i dont see a problem 22:44 [0gb_us] Windows is the dumbed down OS, not Mac OS X. 22:44 mauvebic lol no 22:44 mauvebic you learn a heckuvalot more when the OS is constantly breaking 22:44 [0gb_us] Um, yeah. 22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet O(yes that is an oh)gb us windows has better security 22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet you know what is happening 22:45 mauvebic besides, windows is obviously superior 22:45 [0gb_us] You learn to get an OS that actually functions. 22:45 sdzen mac is evil 22:45 mauvebic my last statement was a troll :p 22:45 [0gb_us] Windows has AWFUL security, don't even try claiming it doesn't. 22:45 sdzen I tried to use it like a normal computer awhile back 22:46 [0gb_us] Windows is evil. It hinders innovation. 22:46 sdzen I gave up on that turned it off and tried to use it as a flat surface 22:46 mauvebic you have this unhealthy obsession with windows lol 22:46 sdzen that didn't work either 22:46 Uberi I dual boot Windows/Ubuntu, what's the big deal with Windows? 22:46 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Who does? 22:46 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb_us you do 22:46 mauvebic you :p 22:46 jojoa1997|Tablet you are obsedded with windows 22:47 Uberi it's perfectly secure if you use it correctly, just like Ubuntu 22:47 [0gb_us] Windows is pathetic. 22:47 jojoa1997|Tablet HAH!! YOU ARE OBSESSED 22:47 [0gb_us] I'm not obsessed with Windows, I avoid it whenever possible. 22:47 Uberi if you are the type of person to open random executables, linux won't stop you either 22:47 sdzen I used to not have windows on a dual boot at all 22:47 sdzen then I added just to play 2 games 22:47 mauvebic one wonders if this immense hate for windows is not a cover for some other deeper pent-up frustration 22:47 sdzen it is 22:47 [0gb_us] Uberi: If you mean keep it off the network. That's the only way to make Windows secure. 22:47 sdzen in truth we are all becoming stallman 22:47 * jojoa1997|Tablet thinks we all should make [0gb_us] forget about windows and linux and make him see the good side of windows 22:48 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb simple avg helps protect 22:48 Uberi [0gb_us]: well I mean more in terms of a real firewall but sure 22:48 jojoa1997|Tablet use chrome and even more 22:48 [0gb_us] There is no good side of Windows, and if you make me forget Linux, I'll just try BSD, or something. 22:48 Exio chrome? 22:48 Kacey anyone hear what happened in boston? 22:48 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: firefox > chrome in terms of security 22:48 [0gb_us] BSD is probably okay. 22:48 sdzen yes 22:49 Uberi Kacey: you mean the marathon bombing? 22:49 Kacey ya 22:49 Kacey total retards out there 22:49 Uberi Exio: I wouldn't say so :P 22:49 sdzen someone threw a firecracker in the crowd, and three people were probably injured more by the crowd trampling them 22:49 sdzen honestly I saw the boom 22:49 sdzen it was pathetic 22:49 Uberi yes, this "firecracker" blew off limbs and killed two people on impact 22:50 Exio Uberi: why not? 22:50 sdzen honestly when I heard about it I was expecting more 22:50 sdzen I looked at the video 22:50 sdzen not impressive boom 22:51 sdzen especially with the attention its getting 22:51 Uberi Exio: well, I'm basing my claims on the number of unresolved vulnerabilities listed 22:51 Exio Uberi: well, i should have said privacy then 22:52 Exio outside that, is annoying in a good mod for helping me trying my set/get_fov functions in lua api? 22:52 Exio mood 22:52 Uberi I'd agree with you there on privacy 22:53 jojoa1997|Tablet what is fov 22:53 Exio field of view 22:53 Exio if you need more info, wikipedia can help you 22:54 jojoa1997|Tablet ok what does greater mean 22:54 Uberi wait you made per-player fov functions? :O 22:54 jojoa1997|Tablet I NO KNOW WIKI 22:54 sdzen frenzied orgy vloggers 22:54 jojoa1997|Tablet WKIK LIES SAYS TEACHER 22:54 Exio Uberi: yes 22:54 Uberi I was requesting that earlier today :) 22:54 Uberi got a pull req? 22:54 jojoa1997|Tablet O.o 22:54 Exio player-only functions, i want script what "would" make use of them (just some item what would use set_fov 100 something or so) 22:54 jojoa1997|Tablet i just found it in minecraft 22:54 Exio i want to try it locally 22:54 Exio if it works, i'll send a pull request 22:54 Exio if not, fix it :P 22:55 jordan4ibanez awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 22:56 sdzen damn it 22:56 sdzen now I need koolaid 22:56 jojoa1997|Tablet has anyone thought about being able o edit the light in the client 22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet aka night vision 22:57 sdzen people of #minetest I beseech thee! the red elixer is desired! 22:57 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: at least one person has a hacked client that does that. 22:57 [0gb_us] Yeah, StrayBytes built a night vission client. 22:57 VanessaE I forget who 22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah me 22:57 Exio hey, i have one locally 22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet rarkenin has made one 22:57 Exio and like half of people who has a compiler 22:57 Exio what? 22:58 Exio public? :[ 22:58 VanessaE I'm starting to think I'm the only one who plays without hacking the client. 22:58 Exio i don't really play 22:59 [0gb_us] When I played, I never hacked my client. 22:59 sdzen my client is fine 22:59 sdzen atm 22:59 RealBadAngel every developer hacks the client to do things wasnt possible before ;) 23:00 RealBadAngel well not only the client ;) 23:01 Exio meh 23:01 Exio i'll take some mod and add set/get fov functions randomly :P 23:02 mauvebic has anyone thought about being able o edit the light in the client :: working on it 23:03 Ukrainian_Knight hello. 23:03 RealBadAngel hi 23:04 Ukrainian_Knight does anyone know when sunrisetest will be back up? 23:05 RealBadAngel its 1am, a few hours left to sunrise ;) 23:06 Ukrainian_Knight ha ha ha, funny i mean the server made by traxie21 23:07 RealBadAngel you should propably ask him then 23:07 VanessaE her. 23:08 RealBadAngel oops :) 23:08 Ukrainian_Knight i thought it was a female? 23:08 Ukrainian_Knight haha 23:08 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f/kHg7xWtu 23:10 RealBadAngel balls of steel lol 23:11 mauvebic what passes for entertainment these days lol 23:11 jordan4ibanez either that or no balls left 23:12 mauvebic Jersey Shore - willie wonla's oompa loompa all grown up 23:12 mauvebic *wonka 23:13 mauvebic **oompa loompa's 23:13 Ukrainian_Knight http://ifunny.mobi/p/9G1qL2jl 23:13 Ukrainian_Knight it's confusing? 23:14 Cheesus helloo 23:15 Cheesus ... 23:15 VanessaE Ukrainian_Knight: oy... 23:15 Ukrainian_Knight hello Vanessa. 23:15 VanessaE hui 23:15 VanessaE hi 23:16 Ukrainian_Knight how are you? 23:16 Ukrainian_Knight http://ifunny.mobi/p/nDNU7j8J 23:17 VanessaE I'm okay. 23:17 jordan4ibanez blockmen's work bench is so professional 23:17 jordan4ibanez omg 23:20 Cheesus vanessa, is that you on your profile pic in the forums? 23:20 VanessaE yes, old pic though 23:20 Ukrainian_Knight i don't understand this? http://ifunny.mobi/p/W2kzgl8J 23:21 mauvebic not bad but i prefer the default formspec look 23:21 mauvebic (partial transparency) 23:21 VanessaE Ukrainian_Knight: "oh bee wan can oh bee", Obiwan Kenobee. 23:22 VanessaE (sp) 23:22 mauvebic Adobe Wan Kenobi 23:22 Ukrainian_Knight ah thank you. 23:22 * VanessaE wonders who Ukrainian_Knight is... 23:23 Ukrainian_Knight why do you wonder? 23:23 VanessaE 'cuz you're new around here? :) 23:23 mauvebic one tends to recognize more easily people who use proper punctuation lol 23:24 VanessaE you almost sound like Nekogloop :) 23:25 mauvebic why do people come back with different names? ive known a few authentic schizos but i doubt thats the case here 23:25 Kacey Ukrainian_Knight kinda does sound like neko 23:25 * sdzen throws a cat at Ukrainian_Knight 23:26 Ukrainian_Knight I'm not Neko whom ever that may be. 23:26 mauvebic sounds like neko lol 23:26 sdzen he is your god 23:26 mauvebic naw thats Kahless 23:26 sdzen oh wait maybe its allah instead 23:27 mauvebic who's god? 23:27 Ukrainian_Knight http://ifunny.mobi/p/Y3lb5e8J 23:28 mauvebic i think were more likely to find intelligent life *in* our universe, not in death 23:29 paxcoder !who 23:29 mauvebic and if there is a god, i sincerely doubt theres a different one for each people 23:29 paxcoder !up play.darkroses-mc.com 23:29 MinetestBot play.darkroses-mc.com:30000 seems to be down 23:30 Ukrainian_Knight I have another name. 23:30 sdzen yes, you are now bob 23:30 mauvebic or that such a god would favour one country over another lol 23:30 sdzen deal with it 23:30 Exio i wonder, is a getFov a needed thing? 23:31 sdzen no 23:31 Exio get_fov * 23:31 sdzen its for the lazy 23:31 Ukrainian_Knight Jexus Primus is my other name. 23:31 sdzen no 23:31 sdzen your bob now 23:31 Ukrainian_Knight No. 23:31 sdzen yes yes you are 23:32 sdzen DONT QUESTION THE PROPHECY 23:32 Ukrainian_Knight I will murder your new puppy... 23:32 sdzen good 23:32 sdzen I want it barbequed 23:32 VanessaE er... 23:33 Ukrainian_Knight Ummm...? 23:33 sdzen now bob, do you want the puppy? 23:33 jordan4ibanez I'll have what he's having 23:33 sdzen its very crunchy 23:34 mauvebic as much as i wasn't a fan of cornernote's postings, this is just as much in bad taste 23:35 Ukrainian_Knight My Name Is Randy :D 23:35 jordan4ibanez This thing needs bbq sauce 23:35 Ukrainian_Knight BUZZ KILL! 23:35 diablo_ Hi! I am only able to get on a few selective servers. The rest I can't get onto. 23:35 mauvebic version mismatch 23:35 sdzen well if bob would accept his name then we wouldnt have an issue 23:35 diablo_ Can anyone help me out? 23:36 mauvebic lets call him, Lwaxanna Troy, daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of Rixx and heir to the holy rings of betazed, how does that sound? 23:36 diablo_ it sounds as if you should be a writer 23:36 mauvebic only if i want to be committed 23:36 sdzen zounds! but what of the wibbles? 23:37 sdzen we must be preparing for battle m'lord 23:37 jordan4ibanez is there a good mod like craft guide that works? 23:37 diablo_ I need help 23:38 sdzen there has been nothing like it since the times of yore 23:38 mauvebic screw craft guide, code a random crafter that makes shit with whatever you have handy :P (jk) 23:38 diablo_ I can't seem to access any games on port 30000 23:38 diablo_ *servers 23:38 mauvebic did you check that the computer is on? 23:38 sdzen satanic creature! I will profess aid to you! 23:39 mauvebic if so, then im stumped :/ :p 23:39 sdzen did you check that you have bingled all you bangles 23:39 sdzen after all if you are not in a crystal ball by now.... 23:40 sdzen you have done something wrong 23:41 mauvebic or banged all the bingles? 23:41 diablo_ sdzen.... 23:41 sdzen honestly we are stumped. 23:41 mauvebic we need a bit more info to go on 23:41 sdzen unless I was standing right next to you I would be of no help 23:42 diablo_ Seriously, I can't log onto any servers of Port 30000 23:42 mauvebic what version are you running, what version are they running, any firewalls, etc. 23:42 mauvebic anything of value in debug log 23:43 diablo_ It occasionally does this and then returns to normal all of a sudden. 23:44 mauvebic clients sometime do that, try changing nicks if that helps 23:44 diablo_ hmm ill try 23:44 diablo_ nope 23:44 mauvebic what does it say/do? 23:45 diablo_ it's stuck at the connecting to server.... for ages. 23:46 mauvebic connection troubles are nothing new :/ speak to the core devs, i can only guess 23:47 diablo_ getting annoying tbh 23:48 diablo_ do you know any servers with tnt on them? 23:48 StarBlessed Follow these instructions for enabling telnet on Windows 7 ( http://www.fettesps.com/windows-7-enable-telnet/ ). Then using Telnet, type at the command prompt : telnet 3000 23:48 mauvebic me no i dont play on public servers 23:48 sdzen are you that diablo? 23:49 diablo_ what diablo? 23:49 sdzen why am I helping you then, 23:49 sdzen you were on a server a while back 23:49 sdzen you sounded like an ass to me then 23:49 sdzen so.... 23:50 diablo_ dude, you are rude. 23:50 diablo_ My game name is diabolos. 23:51 sdzen okay then 23:51 diablo_ see ya 23:51 mauvebic well, that went well lol 23:52 mauvebic but what can you do, "i cant connect" isn't much to go on lol 23:52 sdzen true 23:53 sdzen I don't think anyone could help him 23:53 mauvebic well if you want help you gotta be prepared to try things and look into the details 23:53 mauvebic its not like we offer remote-access support lol 23:55 mauvebic maybe we could though and charge for it and send it to the donation bin