Time Nick Message 00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet how would i check for a tool in the hand and then do a function only if the tool is in the hand 00:20 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm 00:20 jojoa1997|Tablet i found it 00:23 mauvebic i love it when media finds the most retarded picture possible when reporting on someone they dont like lol 00:26 NakedFury they got you? 00:48 * VanessaE wanders back in, wielding a Black Forest Ham subway sub... with BACON!! :-) 01:00 NakedFury damn you 01:00 NakedFury im hungry now 01:01 VanessaE lol 01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE 01:03 Kacey BACON!?!?!?!?!?!? 01:03 * Kacey wants some bacon 01:03 VanessaE BACON! 01:03 VanessaE :) 01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet i am making a player physics mod 01:03 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: cool. 01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON 01:03 * Kacey begs VanessaE for some bacon 01:03 VanessaE http://www.mybadpad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bacon-heaven.jpg 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet would you be interested in hosting it after i finish it 01:04 * jojoa1997|Tablet jumps of a cliff 01:04 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet shoot i forgot to become a dog 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i tell what a player is holding 01:04 VanessaE my server's right about at its limit. 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae you cant take in at most 5 items 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet i will get rid of my npcs there if you need more room 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet also 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i tell what a player is holding 01:05 VanessaE nope, I'm maxed out for now, maybe later after some engine bugs are fixed. 01:06 VanessaE I don't remember actually how to tell, but I do remember it was pretty easy 01:06 VanessaE lemme check my old code 01:06 jojoa1997|Tablet im loooking at walking light mod now but want to make sure cause it is old 01:06 jojoa1997|Tablet say me name when you reply 01:09 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: I used the node's on_place handler. on_place = function(itemstack, placer, pointed_thing) 01:09 VanessaE where itemstack is the item you're weilding at that moment. 01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet shoot 01:09 VanessaE (e.g. "default:sign 99" or "homedecor:shutter_yellow 34" or whatever) 01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet i need it to do it continously but you did give me an idea 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet later on i will make items that give short bursts 01:11 VanessaE also look at that 3d armod mod 01:11 VanessaE it has some kind of realtime wield item detection 01:12 VanessaE 3d armor I mean 01:15 khonkhortisan I want to lock particles from a particlespawner to rotations on the y axis. How do I do this? 01:15 VanessaE no clue at all 01:17 khonkhortisan k 01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae could you look at my code and try to fix it 01:18 VanessaE not right now 01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet ok 01:29 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#7IDooZOk 01:31 khonkhortisan I can't tell in which order that happened 01:36 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#4SJ7TspZ 01:43 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#5Jva206w 01:47 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#s5u9r4Fs haha VanessaE has this ever happened to you? 01:49 VanessaE nope 01:49 Kacey aaw 01:57 khonkhortisan birds know when to throw the nut into the intersection and not get ran over, cat is probably the same 01:57 khonkhortisan Cody's image pixellates differently at different sizes and I didn't catch the real joke for a while 02:01 Kacey night 02:11 Doyousketch2 khonkhortisan, online it mentions particle emitters- getDirection is how you set 'em - http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/classirr_1_1scene_1_1_i_particle_emitter.html 02:11 khonkhortisan cool, that beeped. 02:12 khonkhortisan Looks like I'll have to mess with C++ for that then. 02:12 Doyousketch2 I mean setDirection. 02:12 khonkhortisan I read it as set 02:13 Doyousketch2 k, they have both but get is for one that exists. set puts it in place 02:29 Doyousketch2 you were trying to do rain, right? 02:31 khonkhortisan Yes, I should barely be able to see it when I look up - I'm also changing the weather mod to make enough weather that you can run through it without it disappearing 02:31 Doyousketch2 you might get something outta this online Google book - Irrlicht 1.7.1 Realtime 3d Engine Beginner's Guide - http://bit.ly/10RO54t 02:32 VanessaE ugh, google books sucks bat farts 02:32 Doyousketch2 that's cool. I'll see if I can find any other examples 02:33 khonkhortisan It's not usually the farts you think of, it's what's at the bottom of the bat cave 02:33 VanessaE lol 02:34 NakedFury chapter 9 we learn the basics of implementing dynamic lights 02:34 NakedFury that would be nice 02:35 Doyousketch2 I guess, but hey, if you wanna go out and spent 20 bucks on the book go for it. 02:35 Doyousketch2 not like you gotta read the whole thing in detail, just skim some basics off it to get ya started 02:36 NakedFury the book is 2 years old. I wonder if its secrets can work on latest irrlicht version and help minetest 02:36 VanessaE my main issue with google books is you can't select text on the page (because it's an image). 02:36 Doyousketch2 they use bat guano in mascera 02:37 Doyousketch2 dunno what you're on, but I'm on irrlicht 1.7a so it should do fine 02:38 Exio the bad for me is, i don't know C++ 02:38 Exio my C++ skills are the same as my C skills 02:39 khonkhortisan You can get many diseases in a bat cave 02:39 NakedFury the batman disease is the worst 02:39 Doyousketch2 try this YouTube channel AntiRTFM - he's got some decent C++ tutorials 02:39 NakedFury specially if you are a rich guy and have your parents killed in your face 02:40 khonkhortisan /away works too 02:40 VanessaE damn it pick a nick already :) 02:40 VanessaE put it back to us_0gb - it does mean something to the rest of us :) 02:41 khonkhortisan With one boolean I can turn the whole world checkered 02:41 khonkhortisan Only thing left is actually resizing the images 02:42 NotReallyNick /away doesn't work. It must be a client thing. 02:42 khonkhortisan I have /away and /back and it turns my username right next to the text box græy 02:42 NotReallyNick "us_0gb" is as arbitrary a string as "0gb". It isn't my name, 0gb.us is. 02:42 khonkhortisan btw, gray + grey = græy 02:43 NakedFury khonkhortisan: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=48046 02:43 NotReallyNick gr[ae]y 02:43 NakedFury title: rain in irrlicht + spark 02:43 khonkhortisan NakedFury, you went beepbeepbeep! 02:43 khonkhortisan I think I'll change it to the other beep 02:44 NotReallyNick Does IRC say I'm away now? 02:45 khonkhortisan NotReallyNick, I think it's because you said something 02:45 NotReallyNick What is because I said something? 02:45 NakedFury c++ reflective water for irrlich: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16984 02:45 NakedFury they got great code snipets in the forums 02:45 khonkhortisan oops I mean to say "no, I think..." 02:45 khonkhortisan *meant 02:46 khonkhortisan the grays in the userlist are away 02:47 NotReallyNick Hmm. I changed my status to "away".I don't think this client has another way to simulate "/away". 02:47 khonkhortisan that should be the right way 02:47 khonkhortisan but I don't see it 02:48 khonkhortisan Did you know you can send files over this? 02:48 NotReallyNick Send files over IRC? Is that even possible? 02:49 Exio NakedFury: are you going to implement stuff like that? 02:49 Exio implement the multipass shader :D 02:49 NakedFury if only I had the superior technical skills to touch c++ 02:49 NakedFury I would already be doing so 02:49 khonkhortisan Can you see anything? I'm trying to send you something 02:50 NakedFury you would see my glorious name right after celeron55 in the credits 02:50 khonkhortisan /DCC SEND name file 02:50 bas080 mod crafting bench works. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2004102013%20-%2004%3A49%3A18%20AM.png 02:50 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2004102013%20-%2004%3A49%3A41%20AM.png 02:51 NakedFury nice 02:51 khonkhortisan I never thought of copying the crafting formspec 02:52 bas080 There is still a little bug. I won't tell you what it is maybe you can find it yourself on my server. I'm gonna fix that soon 02:52 bas080 It allows for any mod to make a crafting bench for their mod 02:53 khonkhortisan What would I do if I'm a single-node mod? 02:53 khonkhortisan is there a more generic crafting bench? 02:54 bas080 My mod allows to make crafting benches that only support certain nodes 02:55 bas080 So it would be easy to make a more forgiving crafting bench 02:56 bas080 topic can be found here http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81851 02:57 bas080 you can try them out on the server that is mentioned in that topic 03:10 bas080 khonkortisan, maybe a crafting bench that makes mod crafting benches? 03:11 bas080 btw, i was considering calling this mod minecraft :P then i remembered 03:11 VanessaE haha 03:12 * Doyousketch2 has never played mc 03:12 VanessaE nope. 03:13 Doyousketch2 nah, my roomie had it, and I saw him play 03:14 * NotReallyNick played Minecraft twice, but didn't like it either time 03:14 Doyousketch2 he tried to talk me into it, but I never thought of it 'till my kid wanted me to download it 03:14 Exio well, i played MC a lot, and i still play it 03:15 Exio it is a good game even if it is slow as hell, closed, etc, it haz a gameplay :P 03:15 Doyousketch2 I don't do windows, so I checked for a Linux version 03:15 Exio minetest is more funny for me because it is opensource, but well :P 03:16 Doyousketch2 I'm all about OpenSource 03:16 Doyousketch2 one day we'll rule the world 03:17 khonkhortisan according to freedroidrpg the commercial people find a loophole in on open-source license and take over everything 03:20 Doyousketch2 heh. laws don't apply to People 03:22 NakedFury I did not know minetest had a reddit page 03:23 NakedFury should be renamed to minetest and needs new moderators. celeron55 is still alive but saxonyx or darkhorn... who the hell are they? 03:27 NakedFury man its not even half a year and likwid already has half the posts of sfan (from 2011) and pilz(2012) 03:27 NakedFury this guy needs a daily limit 03:28 VanessaE at this rate, I'll never reach #1 :) 03:28 ShadowNinja|Away NakedFury: agreed 03:28 NakedFury likwid will take it and stay with it 03:29 NakedFury he most post 20 to 30 posts a day 03:29 VanessaE and they're all gibberish! 03:29 NakedFury yes 03:29 VanessaE fuck, man, stick to your native language 03:29 NakedFury use google translate or any other translator. they have better wording 03:30 NakedFury he knows english but its like intentionally he is taking out words like crazy: it, is, they, the 03:31 VanessaE many people trying to write in English as a non-native language tend to leave out pronouns, articles, etc. 03:33 khonkhortisan My texture changing mod thing started only changing most of the nodes, and I kept changing stuff, until I realized that it was changing the modname that made it stop working. 03:34 khonkhortisan Apparently numbers come after letters. 03:43 NotReallyNick My brother used to use the Linux version of Minecraft on his Mac, because the Mac version wouldn't run. 03:44 NotReallyNick Being Java, why are there different versions for different operating systems, anyway? 03:44 VanessaE Write once, pray everywhere. 03:45 khonkhortisan Cross-platform text-based image processor accessible from lua in a minetest mod. Hmm... 03:46 VanessaE the promise was "write once, run anywhere" or something like that, but that turned out to be a pipe dream 03:46 NotReallyNick One of the advanteges of Java is that you don't have to do that. 03:53 * khonkhortisan , defeated by alias :q='exit' 04:04 NotReallyNick VanessaE: You said to leave out water lilies (from common/flowers). Do you want seaweed in or out? 04:04 khonkhortisan woohoo! ImageMagick to the rescue! http://postimg.org/image/my3b37zwt/ 04:05 VanessaE seaweed could be left out also; water plants seem like overkill for the purpose here. 04:05 NotReallyNick Okay. Noted. Thanks! 04:05 khonkhortisan 1x1 textures generated on server startup through a mod, with smooth shading 04:06 Doyousketch2 it's be awesome if every once in a while you ran into dinosaur bones while digging 04:06 khonkhortisan Scales to any resolution. 04:07 NotReallyNick Someone wanted to replace cats with fossils. 04:07 Doyousketch2 cats? 04:07 khonkhortisan nyancats, the super-rare noed 04:07 Doyousketch2 oh, nyan. yea 04:07 bas080 fossils should be a whole new thing. 04:08 Doyousketch2 yeah, some sorta mod that actually builds out some sorta fossil structure 04:08 Doyousketch2 like VanessaE's tree mod, but underground 04:09 NotReallyNick That might be interesting. 04:09 bas080 that could be cool. Ones assembled it changes in a living extinct species 04:09 bas080 huh? 04:09 bas080 Once* 04:09 Doyousketch2 lols 04:09 NotReallyNick Nah. I think just leaving them as lifeless node would be best. 04:09 khonkhortisan Can I reliably expect people to have imagemagick? 04:10 Doyousketch2 imagemagic? is that an extra graphics library/ 04:10 khonkhortisan it a set of small image-processing programs, I use it with os.execute 04:10 bas080 khonkhortisan, i don't think so 04:11 khonkhortisan ok, what else is there that I can resize images with without a gui? 04:12 bas080 is this the one pixel texture_pack? 04:12 Doyousketch2 oh. I know they have small C++ libs at boost.org 04:12 khonkhortisan NotReallyNick, it's the tell-me-what-resolution-to-resize-everything-to mod 04:12 khonkhortisan ack 04:12 khonkhortisan I said no, it's 04:12 khonkhortisan NotReallyNick, it's 04:12 khonkhortisan yuck 04:13 khonkhortisan gotta turn off autocomplete 04:13 Doyousketch2 think there's one called png++ somewhere that might do what you want 04:13 khonkhortisan no, its 04:13 NotReallyNick Okay, what are you resizing and why? 04:13 khonkhortisan there. 04:13 khonkhortisan Every texture used by a node or an item. 04:14 khonkhortisan Basically this, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82665#p82665 but in lua. 04:14 bas080 I have image_magick if you want me to test your script 04:15 bas080 you can always run it on your own computer and then offer it as a texture pack 04:15 * NotReallyNick is removing the loop in flowers, as he knows a certain person here dislikes loops 04:16 khonkhortisan ok, I'll put it on github 04:17 Doyousketch2 can you include the lib in the mod folder? 04:18 Doyousketch2 I thought mods let you include "media." that basically applies in your case 04:19 khonkhortisan if I packaged it, I could do something like os.execute(modpath/media/imagemagick/convert...) 04:20 Doyousketch2 perhaps. tho can you use the irrlicht engine to resize? 04:20 khonkhortisan My empty textures directory might be a problem. 04:21 Doyousketch2 http://www.irrlicht3d.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.ScalingAnImage 04:21 Doyousketch2 will mods let you make calls like that to the graphics engine? 04:22 khonkhortisan nooo we're stuck using an api 04:22 khonkhortisan and those are pointers 04:23 khonkhortisan here it is, but you'll have to make the textures/ folder by yourself. https://github.com/khonkhortisan/1x1textureresizer 04:23 khonkhortisan If it doesn't work for you, please tell me what I can use other than imagemagick. 04:26 khonkhortisan We just recently got the ability to rotate a node 90° on any axis. 04:26 khonkhortisan whoops I put the wrong resolution in there 04:28 Doyousketch2 my net connection's acting up. is imagemagic open source? 04:29 Doyousketch2 if so, you should copy it straight into your mod dir so everyone can get a copy 04:30 khonkhortisan My mod missed a few things, like zinc, deployers, and node breakers. 04:31 bas080 khonkhortisan, https://gist.github.com/bas080/5351800 04:31 bas080 error 04:31 khonkhortisan imagemagick is a binary release, I'd have to pack all of them 04:31 bas080 Games/minetest/bin/../games/minimal/mods/1x1textureresizer/textures/default_tnt_side_4x4.png: 04:31 bas080 btw, i never knew i could perform unix functions from lua! 04:32 bas080 Or am i mistaking? 04:32 khonkhortisan git pull, I had the resolution wrong. But I don't know what that error is 04:33 Doyousketch2 gonna walk for a few. take in the night air. 04:33 khonkhortisan Looks like it wants the file to exist before writing to it. What lua version do you have? 04:33 bas080 is somehow is looking for the tnt texture in the wrong mod folder 04:33 khonkhortisan no that's the right place, that's where I copy it to, then resize it at 04:33 khonkhortisan io.input gets copied to io.output 04:33 bas080 lua version? The thing that comes with minetest 04:34 bas080 oo wait i do not have tnt installed 04:34 khonkhortisan ? 04:34 khonkhortisan neither do I 04:34 khonkhortisan One of your mods makes reference to "default_tnt_side.png" 04:35 bas080 could be. I also have the texture in default. 04:35 khonkhortisan I'm searching registered_nodes.tiles, registered_nodes.inventory_image, and registered_items.inventory_image. 04:36 bas080 then it must be part of the default mod. An alias maybe 04:36 bas080 it's not part of default 04:37 khonkhortisan I'm confused by it saying 'output' instead of 'input' 04:38 bas080 computer doesn't lie 04:39 bas080 btw, none of the textures are converted. 04:39 khonkhortisan Yeah, it converts after copy. 04:40 bas080 how can i check what version lua i'm running? 04:41 khonkhortisan print(_VERSION) at the top of a mod 04:42 khonkhortisan I'm using luajit, that might make a difference 04:42 khonkhortisan Lua 5.1 04:48 khonkhortisan What operating system are you on? 04:49 bas080 os.execute is freaking awesome!!! Why do i only know of this now? Has anyone made a media tool mod? gmusicbrowser/rhyrhmbox 04:49 khonkhortisan If you're on windows, you should change sep = "/" to sep = "\" 04:49 bas080 kubuntu 04:49 bas080 ubuntu gone rogue 04:49 bas080 no wait xubuntu 04:49 khonkhortisan haha 04:50 khonkhortisan youbuntu mesuse 04:50 bas080 it's mine alright... 04:53 khonkhortisan What does it say if you print(_VERSION) at the top of init.lua? 04:57 khonkhortisan hi sfan5 04:57 khonkhortisan bye sfan5 04:57 bas080 on it 05:01 bas080 I'm running 5.1 05:04 khonkhortisan me too 05:05 khonkhortisan 5.1 in minetest's lua, 5.1.4 in system. 05:12 khonkhortisan sure is a lot easier to fix an error when I get it myself 05:15 Doyousketch2 is there a noticeable speed diff when using 1x1 textures? 05:15 khonkhortisan It does a lot of stuff when the server starts. I haven't checked whether smaller textures makes it faster. 05:16 Doyousketch2 oh. I'd think you could 'prolly extend your view distance with such small textures, be cause it wouldn't have to compute as much memory 05:17 khonkhortisan Speaking of which, I might have to delete some variables. 05:35 khonkhortisan My mod is acting up, I'm getting unknown_item_4x4_1x1.png it's combining two different resolutions together. 05:49 NotReallyNick minetest.env:find_node_near() always return the closest node to the center that matches? 05:49 Doyousketch2 just the name, or the resolutions are wrong too? 05:50 VanessaE bbl, bedtime. 05:51 NotReallyNick Good night. 05:51 khonkhortisan I keep enabling and disabling my mod and it keeps going between 1px and 4px, but never getting back to 16px. I even deleted ~/.minetest/cache 05:51 khonkhortisan I don't know where it's storing the 4px images 05:51 khonkhortisan If my mod made them, they'd still be there 05:52 Doyousketch2 they aren't in minetest/cache, they're in minetest/textures/all 05:56 khonkhortisan I have nothing there 05:57 Doyousketch2 oh. that's where all mine are 05:57 khonkhortisan Did you manually put them there? 05:58 Doyousketch2 'prolly so. think I downloaded most of 'em from HDX texture pack 06:19 Doyousketch2 wow, you know, reduced texture size does speed it up 06:20 Doyousketch2 just batch resized 'em all to 4x4 and it easily flys through with 150 view distance 06:21 VanessaE back for a sec 06:21 VanessaE not going to bed *just* yet 06:21 VanessaE Doyousketch2: I require screenshots. Now. :-) 06:21 Doyousketch2 I'd bet 1x1 would be quicker, but I dunno if I could handle that for everything 06:22 Doyousketch2 lol, k. 1 sec 06:27 VanessaE *Waits* 06:27 Doyousketch2 http://oi50.tinypic.com/2u5gn4o.jpg 06:28 VanessaE "Sketch 0.4.6" heh 06:28 Doyousketch2 had to run around map to get it all in view, then convert from png 06:28 VanessaE got something a bit closer? :-) 06:29 Doyousketch2 yeahttp://oi47.tinypic.com/29n75er.jpg 06:29 Doyousketch2 eh 06:29 Doyousketch2 http://oi47.tinypic.com/29n75er.jpg 06:29 ironzorg what's to see in these ? 06:29 VanessaE huh. you know, that actually doesn't look half bad really. 06:30 VanessaE at least the leaves are color-accurate anyway 06:32 Doyousketch2 http://wikisend.com/download/566228/4x4.7z 06:32 Doyousketch2 you can try it out if you like. minetest/textures/all 06:33 VanessaE maybe later :-) 06:33 Doyousketch2 that's fine. no hurry. was really just playing around 06:48 VanessaE ok, off to bed for real now :) 06:48 VanessaE night all 06:59 NotReallyNick Good night. 07:37 NotReallyNick Okay, I finished flowers. 07:52 paxcoder !up mt1.gameboom.net 07:52 MinetestBot mt1.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down 07:52 paxcoder !up boomtown.gameboom.net 07:52 MinetestBot boomtown.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down 08:04 markveidemanis Hi 08:05 markveidemanis PING 08:14 NotReallyNick Ping what? 08:16 markveidemanis Somoene is here!!! 08:16 markveidemanis PING \n PING 08:17 markveidemanis *PONG 08:24 NotReallyNick You want to play ping pong now? 08:24 markveidemanis Hello everyone 08:24 markveidemanis PING 08:24 NotReallyNick Hello. 08:31 markveidemanis 86.133.49.153:30000 everyone welcome 08:32 TheGhostOfCarl Access denied. 08:33 TheGhostOfCarl It says I have the wrong password. 08:33 TheGhostOfCarl Please use "/password 0gb_us ApRi//13". 08:34 NotReallyNick Never mind. 08:34 NotReallyNick Somehow, my password got wiped. 09:09 NotReallyNick markveidemanis: My client keeps crashing now. 09:09 markveidemanis sure its not me messing with the 'tunnel of peace'? 09:10 markveidemanis it says FUCK when you go through it 09:10 NotReallyNick I don't know what it is, but it's crashing the client. 09:10 NotReallyNick NO! The code was wiped. 09:16 NotReallyNick Good night. 09:23 * Leoneof *yaaaaaaaaaaaawn* 09:37 markveidemanis Who can make me an addon for digiline? 10:03 Taoki Found an interesting bug I believe. If you spawn a door with add_node, it is stuck. You can't right-click it to open it and can't even dig it (it spawns back if you do). Anyone know more about this? 10:06 markveidemanis make me a mod 10:09 Calinou .avi 10:12 Taoki Oh... it only happens for steel doors not wood ones 10:41 markveidemanis 86.133.49.153 MESECONS machine 10:47 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:55 jojoa1997|Tablet how would i set a players physics 10:56 PilzAdam read lua-api.txt 10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet i did 10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet i tried and it wont work 10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet onesec i might have the code on my tablet 10:59 markveidemanis Jojoa come on my server and do the mesecons puzzle 10:59 markveidemanis 86.133.49.153 11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant 11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet notice a little something by my name 11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet http://pastebin.com/ZfgmUDec 11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam that is my code 11:03 PilzAdam you cant access NAME in the function 11:03 markveidemanis good idea jojoa 11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam what do you mean 11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam try running it 11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet NAME is just for the function def later on. 11:04 PilzAdam NAME, SPEED, JUMP, GRAV, speed, jump and gravity are all nil in this function 11:06 celeron55 no, it will create a closure that will keep the parameters of MG() 11:06 celeron55 but all the stuff after set_physics_override is plain utter nonsense 11:08 PilzAdam spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82970#p82970 11:08 jojoa1997|Tablet what stuff 11:08 jojoa1997|Tablet oh celeron do you know java 11:08 celeron55 jojoa1997|Tablet: read your code like a computer and you will see 11:08 celeron55 forget everything what you intended it to do, just interpret it as what it does 11:09 jojoa1997|Tablet oh 11:09 jojoa1997|Tablet do i just set the numbers in the set_physics function 11:09 celeron55 and forget your indentation too, it's screwed up 11:09 celeron55 the computer won't care about how you indented it so you're fooled 11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet uh pastebin does not do a good job with spaceing 11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet http://pastebin.com/35Z4fgsR 11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet that right 11:11 Doyousketch2 pastebin tabs are set at 8 spaces. you have to set your text editor to match 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet uh no 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet my editor is set to the one on my computor 11:13 Doyousketch2 try gEdit then. set tab spacing to 8. 11:14 jojoa1997|Tablet no i like my editor 11:14 Doyousketch2 fine. don't blame pastebin for screwing up spacing then 11:14 jojoa1997|Tablet http://pastebin.com/xXg5g539 11:14 jojoa1997|Tablet is that right 11:14 jojoa1997|Tablet wait no 11:15 jojoa1997|Tablet http://pastebin.com/tsZyaLJT 11:15 jojoa1997|Tablet that is right? 11:17 markveidemanis NO 11:17 NotReallyNick No? 11:17 jojoa1997|Tablet why 11:17 markveidemanis because it wont load the page :D 11:17 jojoa1997|Tablet could someone test it i cant for another 6 hours 11:18 markveidemanis 86.133.49.153 come see the mesecon 11:18 jojoa1997|Tablet what page 11:18 markveidemanis nevermind, il test your mod 11:18 jojoa1997|Tablet thanks send me a forum pm 11:25 NotReallyNick Yay! A flower grew! It took about an hour, but at least they're growing. And at this rate, people shouldn't complain that they're too common. 11:35 markveidemanis haha 11:35 markveidemanis Join 86.133.49.153 11:36 NotReallyNick What's funny? 11:36 markveidemanis JOIN< PLEASE!!! 11:37 NotReallyNick I'm debugging. Do you need me, ore ore you just wanting to show me digilins again? 11:37 NotReallyNick *digilines 11:37 markveidemanis I have made somehting 11:38 NotReallyNick Okay. I'm going to try to crash my server real quick, then I'll join you. 11:38 markveidemanis /shutdown 11:39 NotReallyNick Awesome. Crash fixed. 11:39 NotReallyNick /shutdown won't help me. 11:39 NotReallyNick That shuts down the server, I needed it up to test the crash issue in the IRC plugin. 11:40 NotReallyNick And I have successfully fixed it. Now I just need kaeza to pull. 11:51 rubenwardy hi all 11:54 markveidemanis Who wants to make a mesecons map with me 11:54 markveidemanis It will be not only mesecons, other mods too 12:10 rubenwardy who runs minetest.com? 12:12 N-GaR I don't know, but not the great and mighty N-GaR. 12:12 N-GaR Do a whois search on minetest.com. 12:13 PilzAdam rubenwardy, ask Calinou 12:13 PilzAdam IIRC he said that the guy who runs it disappeard some time ago 12:17 rubenwardy hmm 12:17 rubenwardy bad SEO 12:20 rubenwardy oooh, I have a thousand posts and I did not notice! 12:20 * PilzAdam has 2000 12:20 rubenwardy Bloody hell, jojoa1997 has 2150 12:20 rubenwardy and look at Likwid H-Craft 12:21 rubenwardy I registered in July 2012 and I have 1000 posts, she registered in Jane 2013 and has 1056 12:22 rubenwardy why do newbies post so much crap? 12:22 PilzAdam because they are 8 years old and have too much time? 12:23 PilzAdam they start a new "project" (*cough* Moontest *cough*) every few days because they are so awesome coders! 12:25 * N-GaR chuckles 12:25 FreeFull Moontest sounds like an interesting mod 12:25 N-GaR He tried to rope me into working on Moontest with him, too. 12:25 FreeFull You can vary the strength of gravity too, not just the direction, right? 12:26 N-GaR It sounds interesting, but far too big a project to tackle. 12:26 N-GaR I don't know about the physics stuff, sorry. 12:26 FreeFull Oh, seems you can't change direction 12:26 PilzAdam Likwid lists me as a contributor to every single project of him 12:26 PilzAdam but I do exactly nothing 12:28 * N-GaR is still waiting for a second flower to grow 12:32 rubenwardy PilzAdam: me too 12:33 FreeFull I guess he just wants the famous names, or uses some of your code 12:35 rubenwardy lol Famous 12:36 FreeFull =P 12:36 FreeFull He might as well list celeron55 too 12:37 N-GaR I think he does. Someone does, anyway. 12:39 rubenwardy It would be cool if you could do this: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5354249 12:40 rubenwardy but maybe a bit gimmicy 12:40 rubenwardy although this is a game 12:40 Kacey morning 12:41 N-GaR Morning. 12:41 PilzAdam rubenwardy, should the camera turn so the bottom is always the center of gravity? 12:41 rubenwardy hmmm 12:41 rubenwardy probably 12:41 PilzAdam it would break our current gravity though 12:41 rubenwardy yeah, I worked that out 12:41 rubenwardy but it would add to the list of "what makes minetest good" 12:41 PilzAdam maybe allow {x=nil,y=-31000,z=nil} 12:42 PilzAdam also multiple gravit centers would be awesome 12:42 rubenwardy the reset thing was to do that 12:43 rubenwardy now that would be cool 12:43 PilzAdam but we need to rewrite the complete player movement and would also break every mod that sets the gravity for mobs 12:43 * N-GaR is going to bed. Good night. 12:43 PilzAdam so, I guess nobody wants to do that 12:43 rubenwardy breaking mods is fun 12:46 rubenwardy It might be good to make the multiple gravity centers as a global thingy, rather than perplayer 12:48 rubenwardy and each hotspot would have a radius 12:49 rubenwardy the default one will have radius of infinite 12:50 markveidemanis hmmm? 12:50 markveidemanis Make me a mod 12:50 markveidemanis When a player is in a range, they have certain privs 12:50 markveidemanis or speak on a channel 12:51 rubenwardy hmmmm 12:51 rubenwardy you mean 12:53 rubenwardy markveidemanis: I might try that 12:59 markveidemanis so like 'zones' 12:59 markveidemanis I have 1 more request 13:00 markveidemanis The Luacontrollers in mesecons... 13:00 markveidemanis they need to be more like computercraft in minecraft 13:00 markveidemanis alternatively you can make an addon that allows for pure, text input 13:09 rubenwardy PilzAdam: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5354479 13:09 rubenwardy is that correct for seeing is needle is in hay? 13:10 PilzAdam the indentation is wrong 13:11 rubenwardy ... 13:11 rubenwardy fixed 13:11 rubenwardy it is right in my editor 13:11 rubenwardy got corrupted on upload 13:13 Kacey bbl 13:14 markveidemanis clear 13:14 markveidemanis soz 13:16 markveidemanis I want flat mapgen, what do i add to minetest.conf? 13:22 markveidemanis 86.133.49.153 FLAT WORLD 13:27 rubenwardy markveidemanis: I have wrote it, time to test it 13:27 markveidemanis give and i will test 13:27 markveidemanis Wait... 13:27 markveidemanis HOLY SHIT THAT WAS FAST :D 13:30 fgr PilzAdama do you mind to have a minute? 13:30 rubenwardy It only does radius areas at the moment 13:30 fgr PilzAdam 13:30 PilzAdam hm? 13:31 fgr may i ask you something about timeout problematics? 13:31 PilzAdam dont ask to ask, just ask 13:31 fgr due we face those issue since we startet the mt server 13:31 markveidemanis i wanta aska youa a problematica 13:32 rubenwardy how do I make a function run every 10 seconds? 13:32 rubenwardy global step 13:32 rubenwardy sorry 13:32 fgr is there any point we can start looking at to analyze the timeout problems? 13:32 PilzAdam rubenwardy, on_globalstep() and a timer 13:33 fgr some people do get timeouts some not ... and i have no idea if its network related or not 13:33 rubenwardy is dtime in millisecs or secs? 13:33 PilzAdam rubenwardy, seconds 13:33 rubenwardy I will do if dtime > last_update + 10 then 13:34 PilzAdam fgr, umm... maybe look at the congestion control params in minetest.conf 13:34 fgr what would the best settings you suggest 13:35 PilzAdam dunno 13:35 PilzAdam rubenwardy, local timer = 0; on_globalstep(dtime) timer = timer + dtime; if timer >= 10 then timer=0; --code here--; end 13:37 fgr looking into the logs ... it seems player got disconnected due the initial media content transfer ... might be a bit too much for 13:37 PilzAdam do you have a server for curl? 13:38 fgr what do you mean 13:38 fgr if the server has curl installed? or if we could prestaged the media on a different server 13:38 PilzAdam it is possible to set up a server wich has all the media, then you point minetest to it in minetest.conf and clients will download the media from the server instead of the minetest server 13:39 fgr we could ... where can i read the howto for setting those curl server up? 13:39 PilzAdam there is none AFAIK 13:39 fgr i know 13:39 fgr maybe you have a idea how to? 13:39 PilzAdam you just have to set up a simple HTTP server wich has all the textures/media 13:40 fgr well ... that could be dione esealy 13:40 fgr what the config should look like? 13:40 fgr pointiong to the server directly 13:41 PilzAdam minetest.conf.example line 272 - 276 13:41 fgr well are all clients compiled with curl? 13:41 PilzAdam something like "yourserver.de/minetest-media/" 13:42 PilzAdam fgr, the official builds for windows and most hand compiled Linux clients are 13:42 fgr ok ... so we dont need to deploy a specific server compiled one 13:42 fgr thats good to know 13:43 PilzAdam minetest.ru uses cURL to fetch the media 13:44 fgr so the config would look like this e.g. remote_media = http://mtmedia.minetest.ru/ as example 13:45 PilzAdam leave the http:// away 13:45 fgr ok mt figures itseld 13:45 fgr itself 13:46 thexyz PilzAdam: no we don't 13:47 PilzAdam oh, I thought so 13:47 fgr one more question ... do i need to copy the whole cache folder to that curl server? 13:47 PilzAdam fgr, not the cache, the files like "default_dirt.png" 13:47 fgr from one client maybe 13:47 fgr oh ok ... wihtout the mods dir ... just the whole media ignoring folderstrcuture 13:48 rubenwardy I am getting "attempt to call method 'get_player_name' (a nil value)" from minetest.register_onjoinplayer() 13:48 PilzAdam yes, like in textures/all/ 13:48 thexyz you also should have http:// there 13:48 thexyz or ftp:// 13:48 fgr ok thanks we give it a shot 13:48 thexyz or anything cURL supports 13:48 fgr at the config then 13:48 fgr including http/ftp likewise 13:49 rubenwardy works now 13:50 fgr would be a good point the rewrite the wiki ... cuz a lot of changes are made since 0.4.3 to 0.4.6 13:50 rubenwardy i was using auto_privs:function() not auto_privs.function() 13:51 fgr one more thing ... why the pogress information are removed ??? any hint on that ... cuz lot of players close before 100% reached ... its a step behind the moon :-( 13:52 PilzAdam its a bug in TTF 13:53 fgr oh ok ... thought it was gone 13:54 thexyz PilzAdam: do we know how to fix that? 13:54 fgr you compiled the mt client with luajit ... i also compiled the server with luajit ... it says 4 times faster than lua - is it true? 13:54 PilzAdam fgr, something like 2 times faster is more realistic 13:54 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe and issue with the newlines? 13:55 fgr ok ... dont mind if it only 2 times ... at least it is 13:58 thexyz PilzAdam: what's that? 13:58 PilzAdam hm? 14:00 thexyz are you talking about the issue with favorite servers? 14:00 PilzAdam no, about the bug with "Waiting Content" not showing the status 14:01 thexyz but you fixed a similar one with "tape and glue" a while ago, didn't you? 14:02 hmmmm eh 14:02 hmmmm who wants those vertical labels on the menu gone altogether 14:02 hmmmm they're pretty ugly and they get cut off anyway with some resolutions 14:05 rubenwardy for some reason in my mod the update loop does not work 14:05 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas 14:05 rubenwardy it prints "update" 14:05 rubenwardy but the for loop does not run 14:05 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L139 14:06 rubenwardy for i=1,# privilegeareas.players do 14:06 PilzAdam thexyz, the text shows up if I set wordWrap to true, but it looks really ugly 14:06 rubenwardy wait, it is because it is hashed 14:06 thexyz rubenwardy: of course it's not run 14:07 thexyz privilegeareas.players[name].areas = {} 14:07 thexyz and then you're trying to iterate it from 1 to #privilegeareas.players 14:07 rubenwardy I know 14:07 thexyz user pairs() 14:07 rubenwardy yeah, I realised: (3:06:58 PM) rubenwardy: wait, it is because it is hashed 14:21 RealBadAngel for i,player in ipairs privilegeareas.players do 14:21 RealBadAngel somethin like that 14:22 RealBadAngel rubenwardy, seen my proposal or not? 14:22 rubenwardy huh 14:22 RealBadAngel for i,player in ipairs privilegeareas.players do 14:23 RealBadAngel try this 14:23 rubenwardy I fixed it myself, sorry 14:23 RealBadAngel no problemo 14:46 rubenwardy1 almost finished: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas 14:47 rubenwardy1 just the problem that it does not modify the player's privs 14:47 rubenwardy1 ???? 14:47 rubenwardy1 It works fine in every thing else 14:47 rubenwardy1 the privs setter and getter does not appear to work 14:49 rubenwardy1 ^^^ pilzadam 14:50 rubenwardy1 I added a dump and print, and it says that shout is modified 14:51 rubenwardy1 so the setter must not work 14:54 rubenwardy1 any ideas anyone? 14:59 rubenwardy1 markveidemanis: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas 15:00 rubenwardy1 It works, except for some reason it does not set privs for me, maybe because I am on single player 15:00 markveidemanis k,how does it owrk 15:00 markveidemanis is there a chatcommand? 15:00 rubenwardy1 no, not yet 15:00 rubenwardy1 and radiuses only 15:01 rubenwardy1 https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L6 15:02 sfan5 how to kill my computer: listen to dubstep, compile minetest with "make -j16", open new tab in chrome -> kernel hangs up 15:02 PilzAdam depends on the dubstep 15:04 rubenwardy1 markveidemanis: added usage comment: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L7 15:05 markveidemanis can yougive an example of another one so i know how to put them together 15:05 rubenwardy1 Adding a chat command would be difficult 15:05 jojoa1997|Tablet markv does my mod work? 15:08 rubenwardy1 another example added: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L31 15:09 Jordach sorry about that join spam :p 15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet markv does the mod work 15:11 Jordach markveidemanis: ^ 15:12 Jordach rubenwardy1: what have you been working on? 15:12 khonkhortisan bas080, I finally got the same error as you. It's because the directory 1x1textureresizer/textures doesn't exist. 15:12 * Jordach hates working on laptops, but i enjoy the mobility 15:12 markveidemanis ok, i see 15:12 rubenwardy1 a request by markveidemanis 15:12 bas080 lol 15:12 markveidemanis khonkhortisan, bas080, come on my server for parkour(and anyoue else who wants to come) 15:13 * jojoa1997|Tablet likes tablets 15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet 7' ones 15:13 bas080 khonkhortisan, it's always something like that. 15:13 bas080 markveidemanis, a little later. Making a tower atm 15:13 khonkhortisan Git didn't want to commit an empty directory, and lua is bad at file management 15:13 markveidemanis k 15:13 rubenwardy (1:50:17 PM) markveidemanis: Can someone make me a mod 15:13 rubenwardy (1:50:34 PM) markveidemanis: When a player is in a range, they have certain privs 15:13 rubenwardy (1:50:42 PM) markveidemanis: or speak on a channel 15:14 rubenwardy ^ Jordach 15:14 markveidemanis :42 15:14 khonkhortisan ooh distanced-based irc mod? 15:14 khonkhortisan have to climb the mountain of knowledge to ask the almighty minetest users 15:15 khonkhortisan [X][X][0%] 15:15 Jordach khonkhortisan: protip: git add * 15:15 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225 15:15 MinetestBot 108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.401ms) 15:15 Jordach that adds empty folders 15:16 khonkhortisan not for me 15:17 Jordach hey MinetestBot 15:17 MinetestBot Hi Jordach! 15:17 khonkhortisan above, it does nothing. Below, it says fatal: pathspec 'textures/*' did not match any files 15:17 Jordach khonkhortisan: just git add * 15:17 Jordach no other line before or after 15:17 markveidemanis !up google.com 15:18 khonkhortisan git add *;git status;git commit "nothing to commit (working directory clean)" 15:18 Jordach then git commit -m 'message for commit' 15:18 Jordach followed by git push 15:18 PilzAdam Jordach, git doesnt allow empty directories 15:18 khonkhortisan git add * did not add my directory 15:18 PilzAdam guess why we have "mods_here.txt" in the mods directory 15:19 Jordach PilzAdam: it works for me in git on my pc 15:20 PilzAdam then you do something wrong 15:20 alex256 lol 15:20 Jordach this: http://pastebin.com/b0V6F6xZ 15:20 khonkhortisan Made a textures/.itignore, now it decides it likes my directory 15:21 PilzAdam Jordach, do you know what we are talking about? 15:21 Jordach i could install git to this laptop, but im too lazy :) 15:21 Jordach PilzAdam: git not liking empty dirs 15:22 khonkhortisan git purposely refuses to add empty directories, even when you tell it to 15:22 rubenwardy *sniff* I just deleted "finite water" from my signature mod list 15:22 Jordach rubenwardy: why? 15:22 rubenwardy because it is obsolete 15:22 * Jordach wouldnt call it obsolete 15:22 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?section=signature&id=2051 15:23 rubenwardy lol, I dont even have to ask to move mods no 15:23 rubenwardy w 15:23 rubenwardy Priv areas released: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5545 15:23 khonkhortisan For those who wish to try a mod, git@github.com:khonkhortisan/1x1textureresizer.git should work for those who have ImageMagick. For those who don't, tell me what else I can use to resize images 15:23 Jordach rubenwardy: just ping sfan for vanessa and its done 15:23 Jordach anyways; i cricked my neck so the laptop came out 15:24 alex256 Priv areas sounds enticing...think i will check that out 15:24 khonkhortisan Jail, noclip room, snail races, all would be possible with that. 15:24 rubenwardy I did not even ping them :D 15:26 * rubenwardy has 5 mods now 15:26 khonkhortisan markveidemanis, segfault after long connection attempt 15:26 rubenwardy (VanessaE has 13) 15:26 markveidemanis no i shut the server down 15:26 khonkhortisan ah. 15:27 rubenwardy (PilzAdam has 18) 15:27 PilzAdam actually 19 15:27 PilzAdam one is in the other languages forum 15:27 khonkhortisan (I have 3) 15:27 khonkhortisan (one obsolete) 15:28 rubenwardy ok, I have 4 mods with 1 obsolete one 15:35 Calinou :( http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?79672-Qt-5-0-2-Brings-600-Improvements&p=325058#post325058 15:37 markveidemanis I need it to be a box 15:37 NakedFury are you gonna ignore them until a cla troll appears? 15:38 markveidemanis maybe a GUI for it 15:39 rubenwardy markveidemanis: I will add the box now 15:39 khonkhortisan markv already does too many server restarts 15:40 markveidemanis Thats my testing server, im waiting for updates on my real server 15:40 markveidemanis Anyway anyone who wants to try their hand at parkour go to 86.133.49.153 15:42 Calinou NakedFury: what if I troll about CLA myself? I'll pay myself $10. 15:43 NakedFury make a new account just to troll 15:43 Calinou lol no 15:43 Calinou a moderator would get me :P 15:46 khonkhortisan If you used your own user, we would see the train of thought from expecting something to happen to making it happen. If you use a different user, we might think that the first user was just setting up the scene for the second. 15:46 Jordach hey all 15:47 khonkhortisan hi 15:48 Jordach i really need to make an addictive mod on a laptop again... 15:48 Jordach this is how panes (non nodebox) and wool came about 15:48 Calinou put yourself in a roleplay, you are a graphic card manufacturer 15:48 Calinou do like them, rename your mods 15:49 Jordach Calinou, would be interesting, would play. 10/10 15:56 markveidemanis_ I hate being bipolar, its awesome :D 15:56 Calinou lol 15:57 markveidemanis Now who wants to do parkour 15:58 markveidemanis 86.133.49.153 15:59 rubenwardy markveidemanis: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L38 16:00 khonkhortisan Flying is only for the skypeople 16:00 rubenwardy yeah, lol 16:00 rubenwardy It is a sort of an achievement 16:00 rubenwardy get to 100 and you can fly up! 16:01 khonkhortisan Also, the transportation system is between towers 16:01 khonkhortisan instead of the bridges or roads 16:01 rubenwardy That might be cool 16:01 rubenwardy allow fly between tower 16:01 rubenwardy ohh, i might add a gravity = option 16:02 khonkhortisan Could make a maze of rooms where the gravity changes every room and call it "4d" 16:03 khonkhortisan or a puzzle game with gravity nodes 16:04 khonkhortisan Is radius a sphere? 16:05 markveidemanis make a GUI for inventory plus to add areas 16:05 markveidemanis yes 16:05 markveidemanis khonk you dont seem alive on my server 16:05 khonkhortisan I'm in a loop trying to open character.x 16:05 khonkhortisan 0% Media 16:06 rubenwardy dont know how to do gui's yet... 16:06 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2004102013%20-%2006%3A06%3A18%20PM.png, done building the tower 16:06 rubenwardy always time to learn... 16:07 khonkhortisan quoth the raven, 404. 16:08 rubenwardy why inventory plus 16:08 rubenwardy ? 16:08 markveidemanis bas080 16:09 markveidemanis thats the same tower you built on my server 16:09 bas080 markveidemanis, trying to connect 16:09 bas080 markveidemanis, not exactly 16:09 khonkhortisan client disconnected, segfault 16:09 bas080 on your server is a better one 16:10 rubenwardy markveidemanis: unified or plus? 16:10 markveidemanis lol i got a good screenshot 16:10 markveidemanis plus 16:10 khonkhortisan I use unified 16:10 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vaTF2NQ/2013-04-10-170939_1024x600_scrot.png 16:10 markveidemanis LOL 16:11 markveidemanis lava first 16:11 markveidemanis bas080: no, he's dead :D 16:12 khonkhortisan Is there a standard scaffolding to use when building? 16:15 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7429585 CRASH 16:16 markveidemanis i gtg bye 16:17 khonkhortisan So I _did_ join - and you were hitting me! 16:19 khonkhortisan My image resizer doesn't work on formspecs 16:20 * ShadowNinja is testing supybot, so far so good :-) 16:22 alex256 what doe supybot go ? 16:22 alex256 does? 16:22 alex256 nm 16:22 alex256 typos....what doe supybot do.... 16:23 alex256 crappy keyboard.... 16:23 ShadowNinja supybot is an IRC bot, like MinetestBot, but MinetestBot uses phenny 16:24 alex256 ahh sound interesting...i couldn't figure out how to use the irc mod... 16:24 alex256 would love to know though... 16:24 ShadowNinja are you using windows? 16:24 alex256 nope 16:24 alex256 puppy linux :) 16:25 ShadowNinja then pull it, compile it, package it, configure it, and add it to the mods directory 16:25 alex256 ugh....lol 16:26 alex256 i have yet to learn how to compile.... 16:27 alex256 o wo;; figure it out though... i think i will learn how today... 16:27 ShadowNinja type cmake && make 16:27 alex256 thats it? 16:28 ShadowNinja pretty much, just make sure you are in the correct directory 16:28 khonkhortisan compilation errors are complicated; compilation not 16:28 ShadowNinja you might need to do cmake . && make 16:28 alex256 thanks i am going to try right now... 16:29 khonkhortisan cmake-gui if you like the colour red 16:29 ShadowNinja unless you read the readme and compile in a Build directory 16:29 ShadowNinja lol 16:30 alex256 i like red better than blue lol 16:31 alex256 i had to fix a windows xp comp....goodness at the mess...17 toolbars installed....multiple anti-virus programs attacking each other....and 1000 start-up programs....some people do not need to get behind a computer... 16:32 Jordach alex256, or just give them debian 6 16:32 Jordach or even arch linux 16:32 khonkhortisan The windows here only has one toolbar, and even that is on shaky ground 16:32 alex256 they are too dumb to figure linux out... 16:33 Jordach alex256, bullshit. 16:33 Jordach im sorry, but my uneducated brother used xubuntu with no problems at all 16:33 alex256 no seriously this guy is an idiot... 16:33 khonkhortisan How do I get rid of this window? aah! Come here, it did something! 16:34 alex256 lol 16:34 sfan5 lol 16:35 khonkhortisan hi bye webd 16:35 alex256 i recommend linux to anyone that struggles with microsoft bs ...this guy....i would have a headache in seconds explaing how to use the package manager to him... 16:35 Jordach anyways, im playing solitare on windows 7 HP 16:36 alex256 windows is ok...if you know your way around it...but most people are stupid.. 16:38 alex256 i can fix most windows xp comps with no problems...haven't messed with vista or anything after . 16:38 alex256 hiren boot cd has made me some money lol... 16:40 rubenwardy how can I modify the text of a button in a open formspec? 16:40 alex256 i have removed a screwed up vista and installed ubuntu on them for people. 16:41 rubenwardy also, how can I tell which button submitted the form 16:43 khonkhortisan checking the submit button is the easier part 16:44 khonkhortisan on_receive_fields = function(pos, formname, fields, sender) 16:44 rubenwardy ah, there is an addition atribute 16:44 rubenwardy what is "sender"? 16:44 khonkhortisan the player 16:45 rubenwardy the dev wiki says function(player, formname, fields) 16:45 khonkhortisan then it's wrong 16:46 khonkhortisan minetest.chat_send_player(sender:get_player_name(), "text") works 16:46 rubenwardy no it is not 16:46 rubenwardy https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L878 16:47 khonkhortisan that's not the right minetest 16:47 khonkhortisan https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1658 16:47 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L918 16:48 rubenwardy you are looking at something else 16:48 rubenwardy the one you are looking at overwrites every thing else, does it not? 16:48 rubenwardy oh, and it is for a node 16:48 khonkhortisan The one I'm looking at is in the node definition, I've never tried the other one 16:49 rubenwardy how do I find out which button was pressed? 16:49 khonkhortisan fields 16:49 rubenwardy fields.button_name.active ==true? 16:49 khonkhortisan just if fields.button_name then 16:49 rubenwardy oh 16:49 rubenwardy so only the button that was clicked is sent 16:49 sokomine we get "invalid escape" for string:find( "[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]" ) any solutions? 16:50 sokomine seems to be in combination with luajit 16:50 khonkhortisan Each button runs the function, but you can click multiple buttons during the lifetime of the formspec 16:51 khonkhortisan I see three escapes 16:51 rubenwardy I assume minetest.show_formspec(name, "", "") closes the form? 16:52 rubenwardy nevermind 16:52 sokomine well, yes, for -, / and : 16:52 StarDancer hey, can anyone tell me how to install the farming mod? I can't quite figure out what dependencies it requires. 16:55 sokomine afaik it does not depend on anything. if you want farming_plus, you need farming as well 16:55 khonkhortisan input:2: invalid escape sequence near '\-' 16:56 Traxie21 Mentalgen 16:56 Traxie21 Does anyone know how to make a furnace? 16:56 khonkhortisan I can get it to not error, but I don't know if it working 17:00 Traxie21 Herrow 17:00 Traxie21 Anyhow, does anyone know how you are supposed to make a furnace? 17:00 NakedFury yes 17:01 Traxie21 Can I have some help? 17:01 NakedFury you need 8 pieces of cobble 17:01 Traxie21 I'm talking about LUA, a furnace like item 17:01 Traxie21 :P 17:01 NakedFury ohh 17:01 NakedFury check the lua code for the furnace 17:01 NakedFury that is what I would do 17:02 sokomine khonkhortisan: strange. it worked with the normal lua...but not with luajit or newer versions? what would be the right way? 17:02 khonkhortisan cool, my irc beep works 17:03 khonkhortisan Can you give an example of what it should turn what string into? 17:05 StarD okay, but when 17:05 StarD I try to run the mod, it shows me that I need "bucket", "default", and "wool" 17:05 StarD and it says that they're all "missing" 17:06 StarD and there's nothing in the mods sections that I can find labelled as such 17:06 khonkhortisan You're missing a complete game of mods 17:06 khonkhortisan they should be in minetest_game or common 17:07 StarD is that something I should have from downloading, or is that something I need to get? 17:07 Traxie211 test 17:07 khonkhortisan both 17:07 Traxie21 Waitwat 17:08 Traxie21 I'm on two different IRC clients lol 17:08 StarD both? what parts come with the default download of minetest? 17:08 khonkhortisan Depends on the version. minetest_game comes with an older download of minetest, common I think should come with a newer one. 17:09 Traxie21 tt 17:12 khonkhortisan The 0.4.6 download comes with 5 games 17:12 Jordach 0.4.6 comes with common installed by default 17:13 khonkhortisan build, common, minetest_game, minimal, survival 17:14 Jordach common being one all games can access 17:32 jordan4ibanez pilzadam, do you think minetest will ever have item drop? :P 17:33 NakedFury too many arguing if he adds it 17:34 jordan4ibanez Wow 0gb_us ruined the commit and overcomplicated the crap out of it :< https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/28/files 17:34 jordan4ibanez Have it toggleable! 17:35 jordan4ibanez a check box in the options menu :D 17:35 Traxie21 test 17:35 jordan4ibanez FUCK your test! 17:40 Traxie21 Sorry, just testing my IRC client 17:41 PilzAdam go to #test 17:42 Traxie21 I'm done PilzAdam, but I will do that next time, thanks 17:43 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, please make a whole episode in the voice you have at the beginning 17:44 jordan4ibanez oh god 17:44 Traxie21 jordan, what is your youtube name? 17:45 jordan4ibanez 313hummer 17:45 Traxie21 subscribed :3 17:46 jordan4ibanez yay 17:47 Traxie21 jordan4ibanez, Protip: pronounce Jeija like the Chineese word for big sister (IMO) 17:47 jordan4ibanez yeiya 17:47 Traxie21 Gei-Gei 17:47 sfan5 how would he know how to pronounce the Chinese word for big sister? 17:48 jordan4ibanez jeija told me how to pronounce his name when we made blockplanet 17:48 Traxie21 As posted above :P 17:48 Traxie21 oh ok 17:48 Traxie21 I guess I have to pronounce it right now, I've been learning Chineese and therefore immediately think Gei-Gei when I see his name 17:48 Traxie21 *Chinese 17:49 jordan4ibanez I still say "jeiy-juh" in my head when I read his name though lol 17:49 Traxie21 lol 17:49 Traxie21 Oh wow, suddenly loud censor 17:50 Traxie21 1 1/2 hour later, "Now we have a door" 17:51 sfan5 !b16d 216231366420323136323331333636343230333233313336333233333331333333363336333433323330333333323333333133333336333333323333333333333331333333333333333633333336333333343333333233333330333333333333333633333334333333333333333333333336333333343333333633333333333333363333333433333333 17:51 ShadowBot !b16d 216231366420323136323331333636343230333233313336333233333331333333363336333433323330333333363334333333333336333433363333333633343333 17:51 MinetestBot !b16d 216231366420323136323331333636343230333233313336333233333331333333363336333433323330333333363334333333333336333433363333333633343333 17:51 MinetestBot !b16d 216231366420323136323331333636343230333634333336343633363433 17:51 sfan5 :( 17:51 PilzAdam wtf? 17:52 sfan5 this is what I did: http://pastie.org/7434566 17:53 Traxie21 jordan4ibanez, that cannon acts epic! looks... meh 17:56 jordan4ibanez It needs to be remodeled, I need to learn how to use mutiple textures on a single mesh, I got 2 to work, but I tried a shortcut and it messed it up >.< 18:01 fgr hello ... i am trying to fix a regexp command ... can someone assist? 18:01 SD_ does anyone know why an init.lua would fail, or how to get a better error-code readout? 18:02 fgr find("[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]") 18:02 fgr in 0.4.6 there seems someth, changed to this regex 18:03 jordan4ibanez Speak english! 18:03 SD_ I keep getting an error on loading the farming mod's init.lua 18:03 SD_ any ideas why? 18:03 fgr change the debug settings to info 18:03 Traxie21 Question: Can particle spawners use animated textures for particles? 18:04 SD_ how do I do that? 18:04 fgr then youll get more infos 18:04 fgr debug_log_level = 3 18:04 SD_ sigh 18:05 fgr got the same question earlier, due the log post only actions with debug level 2 18:06 StarDancer stupid webchat keeps kicking me. >.< 18:07 fgr jordan if you can, do you mind to give me a helping hand finding the error with this regexpression ??? find("[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]") 18:07 fgr since 0.4.6 this line does not work anymore 18:09 rubenwardy how do I make the button level with the field? https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5356637#file-gistfile1-txt-L22 18:12 jordan4ibanez I wish there were a mesecons block :< 18:25 Traxie21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLfALHPD9Y&feature=youtu.be 18:26 Traxie21 ^First attempt at composing, for some reason, it sounds funny on YT 18:34 jordan4ibanez That souds really good 18:34 jordan4ibanez also: what combines with copper to make bronze? 18:34 PilzAdam steel 18:35 jordan4ibanez is bronze higher tier than steel? 18:35 PilzAdam it lasts longer 18:36 jordan4ibanez fancy! also: pilzadam, can you make it so when we smelt iron, we get iron ingots, and if we cook iron 1 or maybe 3 more times, we get steel? 18:36 PilzAdam no 18:45 * sfan5 compiled Irrlicht 1.8 and the first Irrlicht example with emscripten, example 01 html file is 41,6 MB 18:56 mauvebic this confusing, what causes all your drains to backup, but only at specfic hours? (5-7am) 18:56 Doyousketch2 that's why the Titanic sunk. they used inferior steel. 18:57 Doyousketch2 not the right proportions of iron and whatnot. too brittle. 18:57 mauvebic ^re steee: you could titanium and tritanium 18:57 mauvebic *could have 18:58 Traxie21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLfALHPD9Y&feature=youtu.be 18:58 Traxie21 ^First attempt at composing, for some reason, it sounds funny on YT 18:59 Traxie21 oops 18:59 Traxie21 Up key 18:59 Traxie21 Releasing Potions mod soon 18:59 mauvebic up what? 18:59 Doyousketch2 have other PC hooked up to stereo, playing IMAX documentary. cant's check sound on it right now 19:02 jordan4ibanez Idea: When trees grow the tree could be given their own metadata for the individual tree 19:02 Doyousketch2 what would that do? 19:03 jordan4ibanez it would be good for things like treecapitator 19:03 Doyousketch2 huh, what's that? 19:03 jordan4ibanez it like explodes the tree when you cut it down 19:04 VanessaE hi 19:04 Doyousketch2 can't you just tell treetype by checking for nearpy leaves? 19:04 Doyousketch2 *nearby 19:05 Doyousketch2 just go up the y axis and see which leaf-type exists 19:06 jordan4ibanez yeah, but you could get even cleaner individual tree "explosions" by having metadata, i thought of an idea, i didn't say it was a good one :P 19:06 Doyousketch2 oh, then it doesn't blast 2 trees or something? 19:07 jordan4ibanez it explodes all trees in the radius 19:07 Doyousketch2 still not sure how the metadata comes into play. if it's a diff treetype it's a bigger explosion? 19:08 jordan4ibanez it could check for the metadata of the node cut, and cut down all the nodes in the radius with the same metadata 19:13 Doyousketch2 I'd think when you chop the trunk, it checks one node out from the trunk, then directly up 19:13 Doyousketch2 'till it discovers leaves. then it can do a blast cylinder 19:13 Doyousketch2 that envelops all of that particular tree-type 19:14 Doyousketch2 'cuz the redwoods are obviously taller, so they'd need a rather tall cylinder 19:15 Doyousketch2 whereas those willow trees are wide 19:16 Doyousketch2 some already have their own trunks, so that would make it easier 19:16 Doyousketch2 just check for trunk-type while chopping, and if unknown, then check for leaves 19:19 jordan4ibanez wow http://i.imgur.com/ZVUgmU2.png 19:23 sokomine hi 19:24 jordan4ibanez Hello 19:25 sokomine khonkortisan: that regexp i mentioned earlier is there to find out if the string contains any unwanted characters. allowed are a-z, A-Z, 0-9, _, -, : 19:25 sokomine the string is user input and thus not trustworthy 19:26 sokomine and the regexp used previously (and working up until now) was string:find("[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]") 19:26 sokomine it starting throwing error about escape character when using luajit 19:28 Traxie21 Finishing up PotionsPack 19:34 Traxie21 huh 19:37 Doyousketch2 gonna shower. maybe build a skull when I return 19:39 jordan4ibanez potions? 19:40 jordan4ibanez Is there a backpack mod which doesn't modify the gui? 19:41 proller do we need fun fractal mapgen ? test on server "DEV fractal world" 19:41 jordan4ibanez YES 19:46 jordan4ibanez very nice 19:47 Jordach jordan4ibanez, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mPtKgX370k 19:47 jordan4ibanez lolwut 19:48 proller i need to make good mandelbox 19:49 proller with sponge-like structure 19:49 Jordach proller, dont you mean mandelbrot? 19:49 Jordach or even mandelbot? 19:49 proller yes but 3d 19:50 Jordach proller, ooh 19:51 Jordach hey jojoa1997|Tablet 19:51 Jordach anyways, forced to use a win7 laptop for the time being 19:51 jojoa1997|Tablet hi 19:51 STHGOM babyface1031: do you know SilverWolfLily22? 19:52 jojoa1997|Tablet hiu 19:52 Jordach STHGOM, i believe she does 19:52 Jordach anyways, silverwolflily is one of those converted minecraft users 19:53 * Jordach wonders why they dont use a name that's unique 19:53 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 19:53 STHGOM oke 19:53 Jordach or at least, i think so 19:53 VanessaE ow. 19:53 Jordach o hai 19:54 Jordach ctcp version me 19:54 VanessaE oh. 19:54 VanessaE meh 19:54 jojoa1997|Tablet gahhhh 19:54 Jordach VanessaE, im not at home, just on a shitty lappy 19:54 jojoa1997|Tablet stuid mod gives error 19:55 jojoa1997|Tablet hay lappys are good 19:55 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, which mod? 19:55 jojoa1997|Tablet mine 19:55 jojoa1997|Tablet quick run for cover 19:55 * jojoa1997|Tablet hides 19:55 Jordach i can see that benefit of mobility, but overall for gaming its pretty shit 19:55 Jordach eg, intel speedstep FTL 19:56 mauvebic lol looks like a ton of people just got zhou tonged' 19:56 mauvebic (bitcoin crashed) 19:56 Jordach mauvebic, huh, wait what 19:56 * Jordach hopes mauvebic lost his bitcoins 19:56 mauvebic http://t.co/tM8xRMzzEC 19:56 Jordach joking man 19:57 mauvebic are you kidding? i dont go for ponzi currencies 19:57 Jordach mauvebic, lol 19:57 Jordach pansy* 19:58 mauvebic well what would you call a currency that needs a steady stream of new suckers to maintain value lol 19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet here is the code 19:58 Jordach mauvebic, any currency has suckers 19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet http://pastebin.com/vuXxSmaP 19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet and the error 19:58 Jordach eg, the consumers; but the wankers always win 19:58 mauvebic most currencies are backed by governments and collateralized with tax revenues lol 19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet lua 15 attempt to call global 'set_physics_override' (a nil value) 19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet could someone help 19:59 Jordach ask PA 19:59 Traxie21 Potions API and PotionsPack released! 19:59 Traxie21 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83111#p83111 20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet YES 20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet this might help 20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it was ment to be 20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet *meant 20:01 Exio Github (Potions) 20:01 Exio https://github.com/Traxie21/potionspack/ 20:01 Exio grr, she left 20:04 mauvebic looks like i registered on a plumbing forum for nothing lol plumbers just showed up, says sewers are backed up lol 20:04 mauvebic im sure i looked sexy in my bathrobe and unshaved lol 20:06 Jordach mauvebic, im sure many men say the same sentence with pride 20:06 mauvebic seems appropriate: http://youtu.be/DRRD4alHw4M 20:07 Jordach and now i reconsider your sexuality mauvebic, well done 20:07 mauvebic lol 20:07 Jordach mauvebic, although youre married 20:07 Jordach it still can be reconsidered :P 20:07 mauvebic that usually doesn't mean jack 20:08 Jordach VanessaE, im also pissed off 20:08 mauvebic there are alot of unhappy wives out there :p 20:08 VanessaE why 20:08 Jordach this laptop has better fps than my gaming tower for minetest 20:08 jordan4ibanez WHOA! 20:08 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/ 20:08 jordan4ibanez :D 20:08 VanessaE ohh 20:08 Jordach jordan4ibanez, i worked on adding text 20:08 mauvebic wtf 20:08 Jordach and some of the new screenshots 20:09 mauvebic its a carbon-copy of mc 20:09 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: ah, I see the devs finally pushed the new site design 20:09 Jordach mauvebic, http://minecraft.net 20:09 mauvebic oups, mc forums i mean 20:09 jordan4ibanez I noticed a SLIGHT issue though 20:09 jordan4ibanez available for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. 20:09 VanessaE (too bad none of my images made it in there) 20:09 jordan4ibanez Runs natively on Windows, Linux, OS X and FreeBSD. 20:09 LAD woe minetest.net got an upgrade 20:10 Jordach VanessaE, your pack is first featured on the texture packs page 20:10 mauvebic lol cool they used some of my screens 20:10 Jordach (you can thank me later.) 20:10 mauvebic tho not sure about the partial DS9 20:10 VanessaE oh wow, so it is! 20:10 mauvebic i have like, tons of finished ships :p 20:10 jordan4ibanez Version 7 with the new mapgen looks soooo natural 20:10 Jordach mauvebic, c55 ripped several screenshots from post your screenshots without giving a damn on what they are 20:11 bas080 i was thinking about a better way to define attached_nodes that are not wallmounted. 20:12 mauvebic idc which one he uses :P i just though a partial view of DS9 was rather bleh as screen :P 20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet wow the potions mod is really bugged 20:13 Jordach jordan4ibanez, welcome back to noise based mapgen, we missed you from 0.3.x 20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet did he test it? 20:13 mauvebic cool, voyagers' mess hall is there 20:13 NakedFury I would use screenshots that show some of the features mentioned. Really tall structures showing of maps bigger than 128 heights 20:13 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, probably 20:13 jordan4ibanez minetest.net has a login system!! Does this mean we will be able to log in to minetest with our minetest.net account? :D 20:13 Jordach jordan4ibanez, NO 20:13 Jordach it's for page modifications 20:13 mauvebic and titanic 20:13 jordan4ibanez jordach, that would be VERY helpful for servers 20:13 Jordach which i have access to 20:14 mauvebic and the mountain 20:14 NakedFury was the dirt texture on the minetest.net site made by us? 20:14 mauvebic dang, alot of my screens are showed, coolness 20:15 mauvebic ive thought about setting up a gallery to upload *all* my screens to 20:15 Jordach jordan4ibanez, http://i.imgur.com/6Icfi4u.jpg 20:16 jordan4ibanez Jordach, you forgot to add in bsd to the top thing 20:16 LAD what's this new dokuwiwki about? 20:16 proller make serverlist tab on site !! 20:16 LAD wiki* 20:17 * sokomine boards a shuttle on mauvebics local server anf flies around 20:19 LAD why was the "public" tab from minetest removed? 20:19 khonkhortisan It's a button now? 20:19 mauvebic i still have to establish my server on the netbook, though i was hoping to finish the ocean first 20:20 LAD it was in 0.4.5 you could "public" and it would who you a bunch of servers that was public 20:20 VanessaE LAD: it's still there on my build 20:20 STHGOM_ LAD: what time is it where you are? 20:20 khonkhortisan "Show Public" <-> "Show Favourites" 20:20 VanessaE maybe your build doesn't have cURL 20:20 Jordach LAD, the server list now works unless you enable curl 20:20 STHGOM_ i forgot the command :P 20:21 LAD it's 4:20 PM just got out of school why? 20:21 khonkhortisan what size should I scale all my textures to? 20:21 LAD ....hmmmm 20:22 VanessaE khonkhortisan: depends on your target audience. 20:22 LAD im sorry but im not good at the minetest core coding that actuly makes it up other than C++ 20:22 khonkhortisan My target is sending you people a screenshot 20:22 LAD you can use imgur 20:23 VanessaE khonkhortisan: in that case, leave them at their native rez :) 20:23 khonkhortisan but that's no fun 20:23 LAD oh :P 20:23 LAD lol 20:23 STHGOM_ LAD: it is 3.22 for me, you should make sure when you tell someone that a server is going to be on at a certain time, tell them what time zone you are in too. 20:23 LAD does any one els use hover zoom (a google chrome extentions that alows you to zoom in on images)? 20:24 khonkhortisan sounds useful, but no 20:24 LAD ....ok 20:24 LAD i find it is 20:24 khonkhortisan I have to click to zoom 20:24 LAD with hover zoom you hover over it and it blows it up to it's pxl size 20:24 mauvebic lol how you can tell my cat is female: she brought me to a bug and is asking me to kill it for her 20:25 LAD hmmmm 20:25 LAD LOL 20:25 LAD hmm i keep geting a weird error with lava cooling :( 20:25 babyface1031 STHGOM: hi sorry i was cooking dinner and yes i use to play on a server with her. why 20:25 jordan4ibanez with the fact that you can point to flowing liquids 20:26 jordan4ibanez working with liquids is fucking horrendous 20:26 Jordach LAD, what the hell are you doing? 20:26 Jordach anyways, im out 20:27 Jordach (ill still be about.) 20:27 STHGOM i havent seen her for a while and she is a mod on a server i am a mod for 20:27 mauvebic oh great: plumber says no sinks, toilets, nothing... coulda told me before making a pot of coffee 20:27 STHGOM what server? 20:27 babyface1031 i havent played on a server with her in awhile this was back when we both played on glomies server 20:28 STHGOM port 30000? 20:28 STHGOM ohh 20:29 STHGOM well if you see her again ask her to be on the zegaton since she is a mod plz? 20:29 LAD STHGOM why did you want to know my time? 20:29 babyface1031 ok this was back in oct 2012 i havent seen her since 20:31 LAD could some one help me out with this? 20:31 LAD http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5442 20:33 STHGOM LAD: your PvP walls server wasnt up afaik, and i wanted to know what time it should've been up, but i didn't know if you were in a different time zone or not. 20:33 STHGOM afaik == as far as i knew 20:33 LAD no i cancelded it due to crapy computer system i have 20:34 STHGOM ok good 20:34 LAD but i might be geting a new laptop for my schooling in high school 20:34 LAD so i can host than :) 20:34 LAD sorry about canciling 20:34 STHGOM thats ok 20:35 Jordach STHGOM, LAD: I can host that server for you 20:35 hmmmm ,,, 20:35 hmmmm [04:13 PM] jordan4ibanez, welcome back to noise based mapgen, we missed you from 0.3.x 20:35 * Jordach pokes Ryan Kwolek 20:35 hmmmm "welcome back" noise based mapgen? 20:36 STHGOM how many servers can you host? 20:36 hmmmm yes, you saw my name on the contributors page, woohoo 20:36 Jordach STHGOM, one at a time 20:36 LAD ...it was goin to special to me because it would be one my first big server :( 20:36 LAD you can take it over if you want i guess 20:36 jojoa1997|Tablet jordach do it 20:36 hmmmm so what was the 0.4.x mapgen? music based? 20:36 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 20:37 Jordach hmmmm, i think slightly fractal based 20:37 jojoa1997|Tablet lol 20:37 LAD Jordach would i still be able to run the server? like be the leader..Admin? 20:37 jojoa1997|Tablet i read it music bread? 20:38 LAD jojoa are you on vacation this week or are you back now? 20:38 Jordach LAD, i can do that for you, but actually using the OS, that's my job im afraid 20:38 LAD ... 20:39 Jordach LAD, mine revives on crash, and you could just /shutdown to reset the map# 20:39 mauvebic Iran Plans To Launch an 'Islamic Google Earth' <--- thats where they photoshop in islamic head-dress for all the women on streetview 20:39 STHGOM who all is open for hosting servers? 20:39 LAD fine you can host the first one but i'll host the next ones im goin to have 20:39 LAD only give interact to the people on the origanale list of mine ok? 20:39 Jordach LAD, sure 20:40 LAD i'll link the forums post 20:40 Jordach but anyways, i can only do this friday 20:40 LAD this friday? 20:41 Jordach LAD, yeah 20:41 Jordach im out of the house atm 20:41 LAD here is the forums post 20:41 Jordach and friday i have a tower upgrade to be doing 20:41 Jordach so it'll be done while your sleeping 20:41 LAD hmmm friday can work but are you open on a later time just so that people can see that the match is at that time? 20:42 VanessaE anyone feel like making a mod for torches that'll exploit the client-side particle spawner so that all torches have smoke? 20:42 LAD http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5101 <---forums post 20:42 LAD ummm 20:42 VanessaE (regular, kalite, 3dforniture, and perhaps others) 20:42 LAD i kinda do now Ve that you metioned it to bad i dont know how to :( 20:42 Jordach LAD, i can make a modified map so that people who want to spectate can from the glass ceiling 20:42 LAD ok 20:43 LAD i'll like you the map as well 20:43 mauvebic can someone recommend a photo album site with no/high limits? 20:43 khonkhortisan um, would a texture resizer go in texture packs or in mods? 20:43 jordan4ibanez pilzadam, the rules for lavacooling are incorrect 20:43 Jordach mauvebic, try imgur 20:43 Jordach their albums are limitless for a free acc. 20:43 VanessaE khonkhortisan: in texture packs if it's an outside tool, mods if it is a regular MT mod. 20:43 jordan4ibanez lavacooling now has the ability to check corners, this creates HORRIBLE bottlenecks 20:43 mauvebic imgur? illl take a gander 20:43 khonkhortisan it's both a mod and an outside tool 20:44 Jordach jordan4ibanez, shouldnt lavacooling be implemented in the engine? 20:44 khonkhortisan it's a mod that runs an outside tool 20:44 jordan4ibanez No lol 20:45 Jordach jordan4ibanez, it does make the function far faster 20:45 Jordach removing the stated bottleneck 20:45 jordan4ibanez it doesn't need to be moved to the engine? wtf are you talking about? I'm talking about the rules of how it checks 20:45 LAD http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2906 <--- there's the map download 20:45 LAD oh i need to finish my c;uster chunk map i totaly forgot about it 20:46 LAD cluster* 20:47 jordan4ibanez like so http://i.imgur.com/iVv7qAp.png 20:47 jordan4ibanez it needs to check x+1, x-1, and z+1,z-1 and y+1,y-1 to see if there is a block directly touching 20:48 jordan4ibanez if it doesn't, this breaks a lot of consistant stone generation machines and the one I was able to make is horribly inefficient and looks bad in general 20:50 LAD Jordach this is in you hand now just tell the peoples when your hosting so they know 20:50 Jordach LAD, okay 20:51 Jordach my servers been in need of users for some time now 20:51 jordan4ibanez this is the machine http://i.imgur.com/C8gQuz6.png I tried to do a compact multisorting machine, but with these corner rules, it would be far too big and ugly 20:53 LAD does any one know if there is a cluster chunk map for minetest? 20:53 MinetestBot GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: fix bug in scriptapi line_of_sight dda2071cc0 2013-04-10T13:50:24-07:00 http://git.io/2ePXtQ 20:53 LAD other than the i'm making 21:02 ArcadiunK alguien me dise un sever de minetest 21:03 ArcadiunK sigo alguien me dise un sever de minetest bueno 21:03 sdzen zenoheld.minetest.net:30000 21:04 VanessaE ArcadiunK: english please 21:04 VanessaE nevermind, figured out what you meant. 21:04 Leoneof how to make a door? 21:04 sdzen not hard to figure out vanessae :) 21:05 VanessaE Leoneof: six wood in two adjacent columns in the craft grig 21:06 VanessaE grid* 21:06 VanessaE W W - 21:06 VanessaE W W - 21:06 VanessaE W W - 21:06 rarkenin|Away !up minetest.org 30015 21:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down 21:06 rarkenin|Away !up 0gb.us 21:06 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 seems to be down 21:11 paxcoder can the volume be adjusted in-game? 21:12 zeep i'm trying to get a mod installed but it's not showing up in the addon list. 21:12 STHGOM what zersion do you have? 21:12 STHGOM version* 21:13 zeep 0.4.5 21:13 STHGOM paxcoder 21:13 paxcoder .6 21:13 STHGOM o0.4.6? 21:13 paxcoder yes 21:14 STHGOM you should, isn't in the escape menu? 21:14 paxcoder STHGOM, yes it is. my neighbor sends thanks 21:14 STHGOM oke 21:15 STHGOM cya 21:15 paxcoder bb 21:15 paxcoder STHGOM, for a moment i thought the BTC bubble burst 21:16 STHGOM bitcoin bubble? 21:16 paxcoder yeah 21:16 STHGOM ok... i have no idea what THAT means 21:16 STHGOM xau! 21:16 paxcoder it means its virtual value loses its virtual value 21:19 khonkhortisan like a housing bubble 21:20 sokomine how do you increase log level of a minetest server? 21:20 khonkhortisan -d -d -d -d 21:20 ShadowNinja Is there a character that is not allowed in passwords? 21:20 zeep anyone willing to help out with the mods issue? 21:20 sokomine thanks! 21:20 ShadowNinja sokomine: debug_log_level = <0-4> 21:21 khonkhortisan ^ that too 21:21 sokomine and: do you have any idea about the complaint about the escape character in string:find ? 21:21 khonkhortisan not without an example of what it's supposed to do to see if a fix changes its behavior 21:21 ShadowNinja do you mean \[ and \]? 21:25 jordan4ibanez I don't like how the viewing range tries to adjust itself 21:25 jordan4ibanez it's clumsy :L 21:27 sokomine i've noticed a strange behaviour (especially on menches server), maybe related to that: if i'm in an area with many nodeboxes, and switch to far for a moment, framerate continues to drop drasticly and will not recover unless moving to another area for a moment. after that it will be ok in the first area again... 21:28 jordan4ibanez for me, it just completely ignores the viewing range I set 21:28 jordan4ibanez I tried to set it to 15 and it kept going to around 100 21:29 ArcadiunK alguien me da un sever bueno pero bueno bueno 21:30 sokomine most of us don't speak your language. if you want to go to a large server, go to redcrab.suret.net 30401 21:32 VanessaE ArcadiunK: please stick to English here 21:32 Exio ArcadiunK: el canal es para hablar en ingles, en si si queres "Encontrar" (somos pocos) minetest-eros que hablemos espa~ol podes usar ##minetest-es 21:32 khonkhortisan sprechken ze engelsk 21:33 VanessaE sokomine: I have seen that effect before - maybe that out of indicies/16 bit buffer bug? 21:33 RealBadAngel sokomine, its vertices bug. 21:33 khonkhortisan eew espa~ol? That should be español 21:33 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ninja'd ;) 21:33 RealBadAngel :P 21:33 Exio (translated: this channel is for talking in english, if you want to "find" (we are 'less'?) minetesters hwat speak spanish you can use ##minetest-es) 21:33 Exio khonkhortisan: i don't have dead keys or stuff here 21:34 Exio spanish keymap for programming => fail 21:34 khonkhortisan I have a compose key 21:34 VanessaE Exio: X11 compose 21:34 Exio i don't have it configured or enabled or anything 21:34 khonkhortisan yep 21:34 khonkhortisan you just have to set a button I think 21:34 Exio < lazy :P 21:34 VanessaE n ~ --> ñ 21:34 khonkhortisan I have it where altgr should be 21:34 VanessaE setxkbmap -option compose:menu 21:34 khonkhortisan ^ 21:34 VanessaE (since the menu key is about worthless to me) 21:35 khonkhortisan until your mouse dies 21:35 VanessaE then I put a new battery in it or I go spend 15 bucks and get a new one :) 21:35 VanessaE (actually I use a rechargeable) 21:35 khonkhortisan I'm on borrowed battery time, I got these out of the battery drawer 21:36 VanessaE heh 21:36 VanessaE handful of spare NiMH AA's + 15 minute charger here :-) 21:42 rarkenin|Away !up 0gb.us 21:42 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 seems to be down 21:46 khonkhortisan I spent too much time with 1px, now 16px looks big to me 21:49 Exio switch to 512x 21:51 khonkhortisan *looks through forum* *notices it started snowing in minetest* 21:52 Jordach khonkhortisan, huh 21:53 Jordach what do you mean, snow? 21:53 khonkhortisan the weather mod 21:53 Jordach OH, RUGHT 21:53 Jordach oh right 21:55 VanessaE the particle-spawner-based weather mod that is 21:55 Jordach whc 21:55 Jordach which needs particles to be enabled right>? 21:56 khonkhortisan The rain that falls sideways 21:56 khonkhortisan yes 21:57 rarkenin|Away !up 0gb.us 21:57 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 seems to be down 21:57 Jordach !up 0gb.us 21:57 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 seems to be down 22:03 jordan4ibanez damn this mod WRECKS trees http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5541 22:04 Jordach jordan4ibanez, i prefer the old style one that removes just the trunk 22:05 jordan4ibanez it's a real pain in the ass with dealing with sugarcane farms though 22:07 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: how does that mod behave on moretrees? 22:08 jordan4ibanez It says it demolishes trees 22:08 VanessaE yeah that's the general claim, but how does it actually behave? :-) 22:08 paxcoder what mod is rubber tree? 22:08 VanessaE paxcoder: moretrees. 22:09 paxcoder VanessaE, i don't see it listed, and i don't see any of your fancy high trees 22:09 paxcoder i only see bananna, coco, rubber 22:09 VanessaE paxcoder: it just got changed over today. 22:09 VanessaE the dependency info has not been updated yet. 22:10 paxcoder huh? i don't understand, i've seen these trees a few days ago as well 22:10 VanessaE I just added the needed aliases to moretrees git an hour ago 22:10 paxcoder i'm telling you i saw these trees before 22:10 paxcoder and there are no high trees 22:10 VanessaE I know. 22:10 paxcoder nor your mod listed 22:10 paxcoder i still don't understand 22:10 VanessaE moretrees dependency was *just* added 22:11 paxcoder what does that tell me? 22:11 proller menger_sponge on dev fractal server! 22:11 VanessaE that means download latest moretrees and latest technic and you have your rubber trees again :-) 22:11 paxcoder no, i do have them 22:11 paxcoder but i'm confused by not seeing the mod listed (not my srv) and no big trees 22:12 VanessaE oh, your version of technic is older then, it still provides its own version of those. 22:12 paxcoder btw. what are RT used for? 22:12 paxcoder (and, if anything, how?) 22:12 VanessaE they're used for a bunch of stuff, I don't know what all - enough that without rubber, technic is mostly useless RBA has said 22:13 Doyousketch2 what's the trick to turn on debug info again? 22:13 paxcoder i have no idea what technic is nor RBA :/ 22:13 VanessaE paxcoder: oh, maybe you have an old farming mod then 22:13 paxcoder i can't collect tree trunks of rubber tree 22:13 VanessaE it also provides rubber trees. 22:13 paxcoder V: that could be it 22:13 VanessaE or it used to 22:14 VanessaE Doyousketch2: debug_log_level = 4 22:14 VanessaE or hit f5 ;) 22:14 Doyousketch2 ty 22:14 VanessaE depending on which debug info you need 22:14 paxcoder so what's the new farming mod? 22:15 Kacey hi all 22:15 Doyousketch2 huh, does it give debug info for singleplayer games? 22:15 VanessaE you have to ask PilzAdam what all has changed in it, but afaik rubber trees have been dropped from it in favor of those in technic, which were also dropped in favor of the ones in moretrees. 22:16 VanessaE beyond that, some stuff in farming was split off into farming_plus 22:16 paxcoder yes, srv lists both 22:16 paxcoder so maybe farming_plus has the trees 22:16 Doyousketch2 trying to make a bones mod and it's not loading the init.lua - trying to figure out what line has a typo 22:17 N-GaR My server just went down, without ANY explanation in debug.txt .... It was the oddest thing .... 22:17 Doyousketch2 oh, here it goes, we're good now. 22:19 Doyousketch2 oh, apparently I can't use caps in the name. din't know that :P 22:20 N-GaR Yeah, I don't know why caps sren't allowed. 22:20 N-GaR *aren't 22:21 Doyousketch2 'prolly 'cuz windows doesn't distinguish between caps and lowercase 22:21 Doyousketch2 so they had to dumb it down just for that poor excuse for an OS 22:22 N-GaR AH! So it's compensating for Windows being lame. It all makes sense now. Thanks! 22:22 paxcoder Doyousketch2, besides not being UNIX, why is Windows bad? 22:22 jordan4ibanez I use windows because it is lame, it keeps me from getting distracted 22:23 Doyousketch2 um, billions of viruses. terrible security 22:23 paxcoder jordan4ibanez, that's actually quite a convincing excuse 22:23 VanessaE I simply don't trust Windows. that's enough for me. 22:23 paxcoder except i don't know what you're doing there :-D 22:23 VanessaE too many bad experiences and too many horror stories from others. 22:24 paxcoder Meh, proprietary, Microsoft, not unix/exposed, bleh 22:24 Doyousketch2 yeah, it's not Open Source. so the bastards in Redmond might have any number of ways into your machine 22:25 paxcoder Doyousketch2, i was actually how some govt official programmer could join Linux kernel project and create a backdoor easily 22:25 paxcoder *thinking 22:25 Doyousketch2 keeping logs of your web history hidden from you - the so-called spiders file 22:25 VanessaE the fact that Microsoft attempts to dictate exactly what I can run and what I can do with my machine is why I will never use their products if i can avoid it. 22:26 paxcoder VanessaE, how do they do taht? 22:26 Doyousketch2 perhaps, but someone would find it and patch it 22:26 VanessaE oh you know, enforcing DRM and the like, trying that whole "secure" boot angle, etc. 22:26 paxcoder Doyousketch2, that's actually what happened in OpenBSD 22:26 paxcoder or one of the BSDs anyway 22:27 Doyousketch2 fine, but we moved on from there. it's surely been fixed 22:27 paxcoder VanessaE, how do they enforce DRM? BTW secure boot agrees with Linus' ideology. 22:27 Doyousketch2 open source is transparent enough that I trust it 22:27 paxcoder ooo bannana tree 22:28 VanessaE paxcoder: I don't know the details anymore, it's been too many years. 22:28 paxcoder VanessaE, there's an article of RMS where he bashes on Linus 22:28 VanessaE I just know that I can't legally share it, I can't legally download it, and I can't trust it not to share information about my usage. 22:28 paxcoder Essentially, Linus sees nothing wrong with tivoisation 22:28 N-GaR I hear the "secure boot" think drove one Linux distribution into the ground, though I forget which. 22:28 VanessaE oh to hell with RMS, he's crazy :) 22:29 paxcoder VanessaE, :/ 22:29 VanessaE paxcoder: this is the same guy who picks his toejam in public :) 22:29 N-GaR Ubuntu found a way around it though. I'm sure others have managed to make "secure boot" work as well. 22:29 paxcoder VanessaE, alright now 22:30 paxcoder but that's ad-hominem, let's be honest 22:30 VanessaE perhaps 22:30 paxcoder his moral stances are questionable too 22:30 VanessaE but if the messenger shows behavior that is unacceptable to a reasonable person, can you really put full trust in the message he carries? 22:31 paxcoder heck his ethics regarding software is misguided as well (ie he claims 4 freedoms are human rights). But most of what he says about software is correct 22:31 VanessaE I believe absolutely and steadfastly in open source and freedom of information, but RMS takes it too far. 22:31 paxcoder "open source" = tivoisation 22:32 paxcoder also NOSA 22:32 VanessaE NOSA? 22:32 paxcoder NASA Open Source Agreement is an OSI-approved license (ie an "open source license"), but not a free software license, according to the FSF's license list 22:33 VanessaE (first page of google search shows as many definitions of it as there are search results on that page ;) ) 22:33 paxcoder it denies you right to incorporate 3rd party software in the derivative 22:33 paxcoder so mods must be yours and yours only (a la NIH) 22:33 N-GaR I'm not against closed source products. Developers have to eat too! But Windows isn't a working system. It has no security, it just LETS viruses have their way with the system. 22:33 VanessaE can I download, modify, and distribute it legally? that's all I need to call it free (as in freedom). 22:34 paxcoder VanessaE, depends on how you define modify it 22:34 VanessaE paxcoder: any modification whatsoever that does not, itself, break some law 22:34 N-GaR If it depends on the definition of modify, I'd say that's not free. 22:34 VanessaE (i.e. I don't expect to devise a missile control system by forking the linux kernel) 22:34 paxcoder VanessaE, no, you can't. Only your own code 22:35 paxcoder you can't take someone else's subroutine and incorporate it into your derivative 22:35 VanessaE eh? that "itself, breaks some law" 22:35 paxcoder it breaks the license, yes 22:35 VanessaE and breaking a license is also a breach of the law in most places, i.e. copyright law in this case. 22:36 paxcoder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Open_Source_Agreement 22:36 VanessaE therefore the condition applies and I shouldn't distribute it,. 22:36 VanessaE on the other hand if I fork the linux kernel and add some CC0/PD/WTFPL piece of code that does something useful and legal, I can distribute the result all I want, with the boundaries of the license. 22:37 paxcoder VanessaE, exactly. Which is why NOSA is non-free 22:37 paxcoder I don't even know if I'm allowed to take your "original creation" derivative, and make my own on top of that 22:37 Jordach licenses just protect the author's ego 22:38 paxcoder Jordach, they protect the author legally too 22:38 paxcoder Jordach, in fact, if you do not use a license, it is automatically "all rights reserved" for you, under the Berne convention 22:38 paxcoder which means it's non-free. You must free it explicitly 22:38 VanessaE the thing about NASA licenses is that they don't matter - being a branch of the US government, they are exempt from protection of US copyright law - all information they produce that isn't classified is by law, public domain 22:38 Jordach paxcoder, i live in the UK 22:38 paxcoder Heck, you can't even say "public domain", because it doesn't exist in germany. 22:39 paxcoder Jordach, yes, Berne convention applies to most of the world 22:39 paxcoder "convention" nota bene 22:39 paxcoder VanessaE, apparently not *shrugs* 22:39 VanessaE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NASA_logo.svg 22:39 VanessaE "This file is in the public domain because it was solely created by NASA." 22:40 paxcoder VanessaE, maybe WW wasn't "solely" 22:40 VanessaE WW? 22:40 paxcoder World Wind 22:40 paxcoder (akin to Google Earth, but NASA's) 22:40 VanessaE *nod* in that case it would be governed by whatever license NASA sees fit to agree to. 22:41 paxcoder VanessaE, convenient, eh? 22:41 * paxcoder drops the odd stick on the ground 22:41 VanessaE *shrug* 22:42 VanessaE it's more a matter of who else they worked with. 22:42 VanessaE a private company? sure, they have a right to copyright protection. 22:42 Jordach I should write a license to specifically cover minetest content 22:42 VanessaE another US government agency? fuck off and die with your license. 22:42 mauvebic the last thing we need is yet more licenses :p 22:42 VanessaE Jordach: wasn't WTFPL sorta intended for that? :) 22:42 mauvebic introducing the QWERTYLGP 22:42 Jordach mauvebic, Minetest Textures License, Minetest Sounds License and Minetest Code License 22:43 paxcoder Jordach, so to summarize first: You can't say "PD" for the sake of Germany, you want to use something to free yourself from liability, and I'd advise to use copyleft to prevent closing of your source, and GPL3 in particular to prevent introducing patents into it by third parties, and tivoization. 22:43 mauvebic and for a limited time, buy now and we'll throw in a dozen A-QWERTYLGPL's 22:43 Jordach mauvebic, zing 22:43 paxcoder Additional step is to use AGPL3 if you want to make available source behind the services (SaaS) as well (GPL doesn't cover that) 22:44 mauvebic i think all these licenses is a plot by prosti...lawyers 22:44 VanessaE software as a service.. blasphemy. 22:44 VanessaE total bullshit 22:44 mauvebic some people expect to get paid for their work 22:44 paxcoder mauvebic, world is governed by laws - news at 11. 22:44 mauvebic if you were a plumber, would you do it freely as a public service? 22:45 paxcoder VanessaE, AGPL3 covers SaaS 22:45 mauvebic its more essential than hardware 22:45 mauvebic *software 22:45 VanessaE paid for their work? sure, but once and ONLY once. 22:45 paxcoder mauvebic, ESR's argument is that most software is developed in-house 22:45 VanessaE anything else is rent-seeking behavior. 22:45 mauvebic well thats not specifically a software problem, most of the US industry is based on licensing stuff 22:45 paxcoder mauvebic, that's true. 22:45 mauvebic you end that, you also end tax revenues, and entitlements 22:46 Exio VanessaE: pay for the work, and "offer" advanced support for it 22:46 Exio :D but M$ doesn't like that so fuck all the logic 22:46 mauvebic its a free market: your free to give or sell your work, but its not up to anyone to decide that for everyone 22:47 VanessaE fuck the free markey 22:47 mauvebic and you're free *not* to buy the software, or any other license 22:47 VanessaE market* 22:47 VanessaE this is the same "free market" that gave us high fuel prices, high food prices, high rents, crappy low-economy cars, and low incomes. 22:47 paxcoder non-regulated market is bad, but i do agree that author should be able to choose a license 22:47 mauvebic well i hope either you or your husband works, because without industry/free market paying taxes and employing people, gov't would be much smaller than it is 22:48 paxcoder i've been convinced of that on slashdot in a lengthy debate 22:48 VanessaE and the same 'free market' that keeps us from having a proper distributed, socialized health care system in this country 22:48 paxcoder can link if someone's interested - but it's repetitive perhaps. i tried the best i could 22:48 mauvebic in my experience, its usually people who don't participate in the free market that knock it the most 22:49 mauvebic god knows ive tried and failed, but at least i tried 22:49 VanessaE mauvebic: no one can avoid participating - we all need food, shelter, clothing, and a dozen other things that are all free-market-driven 22:49 VanessaE unless you live out in the sticks, in which care you're invisible anyway 22:49 paxcoder haha "in the sticks" 22:49 mauvebic free market isn't just buying, its offering goods and services for sale too 22:50 mauvebic the whole reason it exists is so that we dont each have to build our own houses, grow our own foods, and educate our own kids 22:50 paxcoder y u no load? oh, end of the world 22:50 mauvebic as imperfect as the system is, i havent seen anything better yet 22:51 VanessaE we had a better system when we had strict regulations 22:51 VanessaE that was back in the 80's 22:51 paxcoder mauvebic, I wonder how distributism regulates things 22:51 VanessaE everyone had money, the economy was booming, life was good. 22:51 paxcoder though it's somewhat compatible with free market 22:51 mauvebic the economy was booming because most of europe and asia was in ruins 22:51 VanessaE then Reagan and the Bushes came along, and our country went to hell. 22:52 mauvebic things went downhill when the newer factories there got back in the game 22:52 mauvebic if youre looking for something to blame, blame your politicians for free trade without fair trade 22:52 mauvebic the free movement of goods but not labor 22:52 VanessaE things went downhill when we failed to regulate the movement of jobs overseas. 22:52 paxcoder Didn't Reagan conduct Thatcher's philosophy of meddling into economy and stifling labor unions and all that awfulness? 22:53 VanessaE paxcoder: maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but he also tore down a lot of regulations. 22:53 mauvebic the UK had to go to the IMF for a 4 billion loan in the late 60's or early 70's 22:53 mauvebic thats what regulation and nationalization lead to 22:53 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, good news! github has now step by step instructions on how to merge pull requests in the command line 22:53 paxcoder speaking of UK this thing they're doing with teaching kids programming that sounds real clever 22:53 mauvebic and by the same token, i would have let the banks fail 22:53 VanessaE mauvebic: regulations are why your house won't burn down if you get a short circuit in your house wiring. 22:54 VanessaE and why your car won't explode in a fireball if you get into a bad accident 22:54 khonkhortisan 22:54 paxcoder feeling bad for the Irish kinda. But then their IT industry was based on the old model we all detest 22:54 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, good 22:54 mauvebic the irish got all the techjobs because they had the lowest corporate taxes of all the EU 22:54 paxcoder khonkhortisan, darnit 22:54 paxcoder khonkhortisan, also, closed tag, not opened 22:54 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, although you have to do "git rebase master" in the new branch before merging it in 22:56 mauvebic its ironic that the hottest economies pre-bust are the ones the fell the hardest 22:56 mauvebic iceland had a shitload of emigration when their banks went under 22:57 paxcoder i threw something off the edge of the world, don't tell ghostshell 22:57 paxcoder mauvebic, it also had mortgage speculation like everywhere else where that happened 22:57 mauvebic thats one thing our liberals did right here 22:58 mauvebic they didnt screw with banks 22:59 paxcoder mauvebic, see "Inside job" (2010) 22:59 mauvebic now the cons are in power because were fed up with immigration bringing criminals (and warcriminals) to our country 22:59 mauvebic saw it 22:59 mauvebic and the hundreds of other spinoffs 22:59 paxcoder mauvebic, then why are you blaming immigrants like a racist? 22:59 mauvebic lol 22:59 mauvebic typical 22:59 paxcoder typical of whom? 22:59 mauvebic how diverse is your neighbourhood? 22:59 mauvebic working poor or middle class? 23:00 paxcoder you don't have sufficient privileges to access that information 23:00 mauvebic any honour killings where youre from, or islamists recruiting locals? 23:00 mauvebic because its a serious problem here 23:00 mauvebic im all for immigration when people integrate, otherwise, go home 23:00 paxcoder mauvebic, so it wasn't poor economic management it was the backward culture of islamist immigrants? 23:01 mauvebic oh because islam is soo liberal 23:01 khonkhortisan I don't know what we're talking about, but I'm staying out of it 23:01 mauvebic gaybashings are up in arab neighbourhoods, youre gonna tell me racists are behind those too? 23:02 paxcoder mauvebic, islamIST, as in race-IST. 23:02 paxcoder the fact that it's not liberal doesn't mean they're to blame 23:02 mauvebic of course, white people aren't allowed to comment on policy in their own countries for fear of coming off as racists -ianno that shtick is getting old 23:03 paxcoder mauvebic, you haven't commented on policy, you've made an unsubstantiated connection with race 23:04 mauvebic ive been pretty clear on policy: you come to canada, you follow our laws, you make an effort to integrate, youll get no problems from me 23:04 paxcoder and this despite claiming to have examined the evidence to the contrary! 23:04 mauvebic dont bring your honour killings and other forms of bigotry here 23:04 paxcoder again, nothing to do with economy 23:05 mauvebic right now it has everything to do with economy, just like the US has H1-Bs, we have the TFW 23:05 paxcoder mmm cocoa tree 23:05 mauvebic one of our major banks is asking its staff to train its foreign replacements before sending them back to india with all the jobs 23:05 paxcoder mauvebic, not familiar with the bills 23:06 mauvebic the govt doesnt really believe in immigration or diversity, its just a PC excuse to bring wages down 23:06 paxcoder outsourcing is the problem of the global free market you supposedly advocate 23:06 mauvebic i never said global 23:06 mauvebic and i said fair trade 23:06 mauvebic with countries that have roughly equal standards and pay 23:06 paxcoder free = global 23:06 paxcoder because it's cheaper 23:06 mauvebic you can have a free market in your country without being a doormat to transnationals 23:06 paxcoder if anything, i'm concerned for the modern slaves 23:07 mauvebic and you no when wages rise enough in those countries, the transnat will find the next best deal 23:07 mauvebic *know 23:07 paxcoder indeed 23:07 paxcoder and if 23:08 mauvebic so throwing around terms like racism shows how distorted the debate has become 23:08 mauvebic id rather support local businesses weather theyre run by chinese emigrants or crackers 23:09 mauvebic but i wont do business with companies that ship all their jobs overseas 23:09 paxcoder everyone does 23:09 mauvebic naw most people go where its cheapest 23:09 paxcoder and no, i wouldn't agree that i've unjustly called you out as a racist 23:09 mauvebic when it comes to computers, i do too, but only because we dont make'em anymore 23:09 paxcoder you just began to articulate 23:09 paxcoder and note that outsourcing has nothing to do with your initial proposition 23:10 mauvebic canada has had a reckless immigration policy since pierre trudeau, and his motives werent benevolent 23:10 mauvebic it was to stifle the seperatist movement in my home province 23:10 mauvebic by saying "canada isn't two cultures, its multicultural" 23:10 mauvebic and were reaping the benefits of that today 23:11 paxcoder it is multicultural 23:11 mauvebic yeah well, we are seeing an increase in real racism in xenophobia from alot of people that dont know any better 23:11 paxcoder you can't discard your neighbor once the job you consider to be above is done. 23:11 paxcoder *too good for 23:12 mauvebic neighbour? i moved out of my neighbourhood when a bunch of haitien thugs shot a dog to death in the neighbouring block 23:12 paxcoder are you in a nice white neighborhood now? 23:12 mauvebic for what possible reason? i cant comprehend 23:12 mauvebic im in the sticks 23:13 mauvebic where its quiet 23:13 mauvebic and its not all white, but people know how to treat eachother here 23:13 mauvebic we have immigrants theyre just not fresh-off-the-boat 23:14 paxcoder so only the fresh ones are to blame for the world-wide economic crisis? 23:14 mauvebic who said that? 23:15 mauvebic the worldwide crisis started with banks lending to just about anybody and reselling those mortgages all around the world 23:15 paxcoder you implied that (see iceland) 23:15 jordan4ibanez WAT 23:15 mauvebic i just dont buy the argument that we need more immigration because of labour shortages that do not exist 23:15 jordan4ibanez how the hell did this guy get his texture pack on sphax's website 23:15 jordan4ibanez http://bdcraft.net/download-bdcraft-texturepacks 23:15 paxcoder iceland had a shitload of emigration when their banks went under 23:15 mauvebic icelanders left their country because finance jobs dried up 23:15 paxcoder my bad, i thought jordan4ibanez asked about iceland 23:16 jordan4ibanez That's going to get us a CRAZY amount of people in the minetest community 23:16 mauvebic no, people left because things were bad there 23:16 mauvebic but i wasn't talking about their immigrants, i was talking about their natives 23:16 paxcoder mauvebic, you were talking about immigrants and the crisis 23:16 mauvebic iceland has stricter immigration rules than we do 23:16 mauvebic well i have alot of opinions on a lot of things 23:17 mauvebic and i vote 23:17 paxcoder some more racist than others 23:18 mauvebic lol, now who's flip-flopping 23:18 paxcoder mauvebic, look, i understand you don't necessarily automatically discriminate, and i'm not saying immigrants shouldn't integrate. But you can't blame them for the crisis. 23:18 jordan4ibanez shouldn't you guys be in #offtopic 23:18 jordan4ibanez or #defocus 23:18 jordan4ibanez OR SOMETHING 23:18 mauvebic i never said they were responsible for the crisis 23:18 mauvebic the worldwide crisis started with banks lending to just about anybody and reselling those mortgages all around the world 23:19 paxcoder jordan4ibanez, we're discussing the bank mod 23:19 jordan4ibanez then why the hell are you guys talking about racism 23:19 paxcoder mauvebic, sure but you said that other thing first 23:19 PilzAdam bye 23:19 mauvebic in the present context though, its not helping our economy either, or our society at this point 23:19 mauvebic your mixing jobs with the world finance crisis 23:20 mauvebic and look at this way: at least we dont have ICE 23:20 Kacey brb 23:20 mauvebic though honestly, liberals have just as much their heads up their arses as rightwingnuts do 23:22 paxcoder jordan4ibanez, oh right, we started talking about licenses or something 23:22 jordan4ibanez how do I do the texture path? 23:23 jordan4ibanez I put in the correct texture path, but it didn't load the textures 23:23 paxcoder jordan4ibanez, you might want to tag someone, the rest are probably ignoring blinking by now 23:24 jordan4ibanez sfan5 23:24 jordan4ibanez C:\Documents and Settings\Duke Nukem\Desktop\texturepack 23:24 jordan4ibanez why am this are not the workign? 23:27 jordan4ibanez Damn 23:30 jordan4ibanez I had to put it in the dir my command prompt defaulted to, and put the name of the folder as the texture dir 23:30 jordan4ibanez what a pain in the buttoculars 23:34 paxcoder who said something about fractals a minute ago? 23:34 Exio proller 23:35 paxcoder proller, what about them? map generation? 23:35 paxcoder Exio, thx 23:36 paxcoder troller, timed out? what about fractals - are they used for map generation? 23:37 troller yes 23:37 paxcoder yay, that's what i suggested 23:38 paxcoder troller, but iirc someone told me the gen. was already deterministic. why fractals then? 23:38 troller for fun 23:38 paxcoder what we really need is for MT to use the determinism and implement a diffing system 23:39 paxcoder so as to store only the interventions into the environment 23:40 paxcoder that can't be that difficult 23:41 paxcoder even to retrofit to the existing, chunk-loading infrastructure 23:41 paxcoder though obviously, sending only diffs would be ideal 23:46 paxcoder i guess nobody feels as enthusiastic about optimization as I do :-/ 23:47 mauvebic i love optimizing mods - if it can be done with fewer nodes and resources, im all for it lol 23:47 mauvebic im not made of ram chips lol 23:47 paxcoder this'd take more than a mod i reckon 23:47 mauvebic talking about optimizing the mapgen? 23:48 paxcoder yes 23:48 Exio the block-loading i think 23:48 paxcoder Exio, right 23:48 mauvebic well, i think thanks to hmmm the emerge is already much faster than it was 23:48 paxcoder also there should be some applied graph theory to determine the least amount of NULLs to store 23:48 paxcoder (ie non-differing blocks) 23:48 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:49 Exio hi :P 23:50 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:50 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:50 Exio VanessaE: ^ you said something for that 23:50 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:50 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:50 VanessaE [04-10 19:46] the problem is probably drawtime jitter. 23:51 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:51 VanessaE the higher the jitter, the worse your apparent frame rate, even if the average is okay. 23:51 VanessaE crackerenherbe: press F5. 23:51 VanessaE see "dtime_jitter" ? 23:51 VanessaE ideally this should be very low 23:52 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:52 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:52 VanessaE the higher it goes, the worse the apparent frame rate. 23:52 VanessaE nonono, dtime_jitter 23:52 VanessaE right next to drawtime 23:52 paxcoder hah, mine is never under 70% 23:52 paxcoder was 200% for a sec 23:52 paxcoder pwnsome 23:52 VanessaE mine's vacillating between 10 and 20 and I'm just standing in one place doing nothing 23:53 VanessaE % 23:53 paxcoder i'm now standing and it's about 90% 23:53 paxcoder i WIN 23:53 paxcoder hahaha 23:53 Exio mine is between 1% when doing nothing 23:53 Exio and when moving with fast around it gets "spikes" of 7% 23:53 Exio :D 23:54 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:54 * paxcoder votes for Exio to be kicked 23:54 mauvebic dont you guys have like, 3-4K nodes tho? 23:54 VanessaE mine goes apeshit, all over the place from 5% to 200%, usually staying in the 40 to 50% range 23:54 paxcoder mine only does elephant dung 23:54 VanessaE mauvebic: the number of defined nodes isn't going to affect your framerates unless you got all of them on screen at once maybe 23:56 Exio i always play minimal and rarely minetest_game 23:56 mauvebic checkin' my jitter now 23:56 Exio (as i don't even have minetest_game installed now) 23:56 mauvebic between 75% and 94% 23:57 mauvebic 45% on idle 23:57 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:58 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:58 crackerenherbe [deleted] 23:58 crackerenherbe [deleted]