IRC log for #minetest, 2013-04-10

Time	Nick	Message
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00:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	how would i check for a tool in the hand and then do a function only if the tool is in the hand
00:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	nvm
00:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i found it
00:23	mauvebic	i love it when media finds the most retarded picture possible when reporting on someone they dont like lol
00:26	NakedFury	they got you?
00:48	* VanessaE	wanders back in, wielding a Black Forest Ham subway sub... with BACON!! :-)
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01:00	NakedFury	damn you
01:00	NakedFury	im hungry now
01:01	VanessaE	lol
01:03	jojoa1997\|Tablet	VanessaE
01:03	Kacey	BACON!?!?!?!?!?!?
01:03	* Kacey	wants some bacon
01:03	VanessaE	BACON!
01:03	VanessaE	:)
01:03	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i am making a player physics mod
01:03	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: cool.
01:03	jojoa1997\|Tablet	BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON BACON
01:03	* Kacey	begs VanessaE for some bacon
01:03	VanessaE	http://www.mybadpad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bacon-heaven.jpg
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	would you be interested in hosting it after i finish it
01:04	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	jumps of a cliff
01:04	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: no
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	shoot i forgot to become a dog
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	how do i tell what a player is holding
01:04	VanessaE	my server's right about at its limit.
01:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	vanessae you cant take in at most 5 items
01:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i will get rid of my npcs there if you need more room
01:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	also
01:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	how do i tell what a player is holding
01:05	VanessaE	nope, I'm maxed out for now, maybe later after some engine bugs are fixed.
01:06	VanessaE	I don't remember actually how to tell, but I do remember it was pretty easy
01:06	VanessaE	lemme check my old code
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01:06	jojoa1997\|Tablet	im loooking at walking light mod now but want to make sure cause it is old
01:06	jojoa1997\|Tablet	say me name when you reply
01:09	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: I used the node's on_place handler. on_place = function(itemstack, placer, pointed_thing)
01:09	VanessaE	where itemstack is the item you're weilding at that moment.
01:09	jojoa1997\|Tablet	shoot
01:09	VanessaE	(e.g. "default:sign 99" or "homedecor:shutter_yellow 34" or whatever)
01:09	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i need it to do it continously but you did give me an idea
01:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	later on i will make items that give short bursts
01:11	VanessaE	also look at that 3d armod mod
01:11	VanessaE	it has some kind of realtime wield item detection
01:12	VanessaE	3d armor I mean
01:15	khonkhortisan	I want to lock particles from a particlespawner to rotations on the y axis. How do I do this?
01:15	VanessaE	no clue at all
01:17	khonkhortisan	k
01:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	vanessae could you look at my code and try to fix it
01:18	VanessaE	not right now
01:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	ok
01:29	Kacey	http://ifunny.mobi/#7IDooZOk
01:31	khonkhortisan	I can't tell in which order that happened
01:36	Kacey	http://ifunny.mobi/#4SJ7TspZ
01:43	Kacey	http://ifunny.mobi/#5Jva206w
01:47	Kacey	http://ifunny.mobi/#s5u9r4Fs haha VanessaE has this ever happened to you?
01:49	VanessaE	nope
01:49	Kacey	aaw
01:57	khonkhortisan	birds know when to throw the nut into the intersection and not get ran over, cat is probably the same
01:57	khonkhortisan	Cody's image pixellates differently at different sizes and I didn't catch the real joke for a while
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02:01	Kacey	night
02:11	Doyousketch2	khonkhortisan, online it mentions particle emitters- getDirection is how you set 'em - http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/classirr_1_1scene_1_1_i_particle_emitter.html
02:11	khonkhortisan	cool, that beeped.
02:12	khonkhortisan	Looks like I'll have to mess with C++ for that then.
02:12	Doyousketch2	I mean setDirection.
02:12	khonkhortisan	I read it as set
02:13	Doyousketch2	k, they have both but get is for one that exists. set puts it in place
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02:29	Doyousketch2	you were trying to do rain, right?
02:31	khonkhortisan	Yes, I should barely be able to see it when I look up - I'm also changing the weather mod to make enough weather that you can run through it without it disappearing
02:31	Doyousketch2	you might get something outta this online Google book - Irrlicht 1.7.1 Realtime 3d Engine Beginner's Guide - http://bit.ly/10RO54t
02:32	VanessaE	ugh, google books sucks bat farts
02:32	Doyousketch2	that's cool. I'll see if I can find any other examples
02:33	khonkhortisan	It's not usually the farts you think of, it's what's at the bottom of the bat cave
02:33	VanessaE	lol
02:34	NakedFury	chapter 9 we learn the basics of implementing dynamic lights
02:34	NakedFury	that would be nice
02:35	Doyousketch2	I guess, but hey, if you wanna go out and spent 20 bucks on the book go for it.
02:35	Doyousketch2	not like you gotta read the whole thing in detail, just skim some basics off it to get ya started
02:36	NakedFury	the book is 2 years old. I wonder if its secrets can work on latest irrlicht version and help minetest
02:36	VanessaE	my main issue with google books is you can't select text on the page (because it's an image).
02:36	Doyousketch2	they use bat guano in mascera
02:37	Doyousketch2	dunno what you're on, but I'm on irrlicht 1.7a so it should do fine
02:38	Exio	the bad for me is, i don't know C++
02:38	Exio	my C++ skills are the same as my C skills
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02:39	khonkhortisan	You can get many diseases in a bat cave
02:39	NakedFury	the batman disease is the worst
02:39	Doyousketch2	try this YouTube channel AntiRTFM - he's got some decent C++ tutorials
02:39	NakedFury	specially if you are a rich guy and have your parents killed in your face
02:40	khonkhortisan	/away works too
02:40	VanessaE	damn it pick a nick already :)
02:40	VanessaE	put it back to us_0gb - it does mean something to the rest of us :)
02:41	khonkhortisan	With one boolean I can turn the whole world checkered
02:41	khonkhortisan	Only thing left is actually resizing the images
02:42	NotReallyNick	/away doesn't work. It must be a client thing.
02:42	khonkhortisan	I have /away and /back and it turns my username right next to the text box grÃ¦y
02:42	NotReallyNick	"us_0gb" is as arbitrary a string as "0gb". It isn't my name, 0gb.us is.
02:42	khonkhortisan	btw, gray + grey = grÃ¦y
02:43	NakedFury	khonkhortisan: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=48046
02:43	NotReallyNick	gr[ae]y
02:43	NakedFury	title: rain in irrlicht + spark
02:43	khonkhortisan	NakedFury, you went beepbeepbeep!
02:43	khonkhortisan	I think I'll change it to the other beep
02:44	NotReallyNick	Does IRC say I'm away now?
02:45	khonkhortisan	NotReallyNick, I think it's because you said something
02:45	NotReallyNick	What is because I said something?
02:45	NakedFury	c++ reflective water for irrlich: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16984
02:45	NakedFury	they got great code snipets in the forums
02:45	khonkhortisan	oops I mean to say "no, I think..."
02:45	khonkhortisan	*meant
02:46	khonkhortisan	the grays in the userlist are away
02:47	NotReallyNick	Hmm. I changed my status to "away".I don't think this client has another way to simulate "/away".
02:47	khonkhortisan	that should be the right way
02:47	khonkhortisan	but I don't see it
02:48	khonkhortisan	Did you know you can send files over this?
02:48	NotReallyNick	Send files over IRC? Is that even possible?
02:49	Exio	NakedFury: are you going to implement stuff like that?
02:49	Exio	implement the multipass shader :D
02:49	NakedFury	if only I had the superior technical skills to touch c++
02:49	NakedFury	I would already be doing so
02:49	khonkhortisan	Can you see anything? I'm trying to send you something
02:50	NakedFury	you would see my glorious name right after celeron55 in the credits
02:50	khonkhortisan	/DCC SEND name file
02:50	bas080	mod crafting bench works. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2004102013%20-%2004%3A49%3A18%20AM.png
02:50	bas080	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2004102013%20-%2004%3A49%3A41%20AM.png
02:51	NakedFury	nice
02:51	khonkhortisan	I never thought of copying the crafting formspec
02:52	bas080	There is still a little bug. I won't tell you what it is maybe you can find it yourself on my server. I'm gonna fix that soon
02:52	bas080	It allows for any mod to make a crafting bench for their mod
02:53	khonkhortisan	What would I do if I'm a single-node mod?
02:53	khonkhortisan	is there a more generic crafting bench?
02:54	bas080	My mod allows to make crafting benches that only support certain nodes
02:55	bas080	So it would be easy to make a more forgiving crafting bench
02:56	bas080	topic can be found here http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81851
02:57	bas080	you can try them out on the server that is mentioned in that topic
03:10	bas080	khonkortisan, maybe a crafting bench that makes mod crafting benches?
03:11	bas080	btw, i was considering calling this mod minecraft :P then i remembered
03:11	VanessaE	haha
03:12	* Doyousketch2	has never played mc
03:12	VanessaE	nope.
03:13	Doyousketch2	nah, my roomie had it, and I saw him play
03:14	* NotReallyNick	played Minecraft twice, but didn't like it either time
03:14	Doyousketch2	he tried to talk me into it, but I never thought of it 'till my kid wanted me to download it
03:14	Exio	well, i played MC a lot, and i still play it
03:15	Exio	it is a good game even if it is slow as hell, closed, etc, it haz a gameplay :P
03:15	Doyousketch2	I don't do windows, so I checked for a Linux version
03:15	Exio	minetest is more funny for me because it is opensource, but well :P
03:16	Doyousketch2	I'm all about OpenSource
03:16	Doyousketch2	one day we'll rule the world
03:17	khonkhortisan	according to freedroidrpg the commercial people find a loophole in on open-source license and take over everything
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03:20	Doyousketch2	heh. laws don't apply to People
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03:22	NakedFury	I did not know minetest had a reddit page
03:23	NakedFury	should be renamed to minetest and needs new moderators. celeron55 is still alive but saxonyx or darkhorn... who the hell are they?
03:27	NakedFury	man its not even half a year and likwid already has half the posts of sfan (from 2011) and pilz(2012)
03:27	NakedFury	this guy needs a daily limit
03:28	VanessaE	at this rate, I'll never reach #1 :)
03:28	ShadowNinja\|Away	NakedFury: agreed
03:28	NakedFury	likwid will take it and stay with it
03:29	NakedFury	he most post 20 to 30 posts a day
03:29	VanessaE	and they're all gibberish!
03:29	NakedFury	yes
03:29	VanessaE	fuck, man, stick to your native language
03:29	NakedFury	use google translate or any other translator. they have better wording
03:30	NakedFury	he knows english but its like intentionally he is taking out words like crazy: it, is, they, the
03:31	VanessaE	many people trying to write in English as a non-native language tend to leave out pronouns, articles, etc.
03:33	khonkhortisan	My texture changing mod thing started only changing most of the nodes, and I kept changing stuff, until I realized that it was changing the modname that made it stop working.
03:34	khonkhortisan	Apparently numbers come after letters.
03:43	NotReallyNick	My brother used to use the Linux version of Minecraft on his Mac, because the Mac version wouldn't run.
03:44	NotReallyNick	Being Java, why are there different versions for different operating systems, anyway?
03:44	VanessaE	Write once, pray everywhere.
03:45	khonkhortisan	Cross-platform text-based image processor accessible from lua in a minetest mod. Hmm...
03:46	VanessaE	the promise was "write once, run anywhere" or something like that, but that turned out to be a pipe dream
03:46	NotReallyNick	One of the advanteges of Java is that you don't have to do that.
03:53	* khonkhortisan	, defeated by alias :q='exit'
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04:04	NotReallyNick	VanessaE: You said to leave out water lilies (from common/flowers). Do you want seaweed in or out?
04:04	khonkhortisan	woohoo! ImageMagick to the rescue! http://postimg.org/image/my3b37zwt/
04:05	VanessaE	seaweed could be left out also; water plants seem like overkill for the purpose here.
04:05	NotReallyNick	Okay. Noted. Thanks!
04:05	khonkhortisan	1x1 textures generated on server startup through a mod, with smooth shading
04:06	Doyousketch2	it's be awesome if every once in a while you ran into dinosaur bones while digging
04:06	khonkhortisan	Scales to any resolution.
04:07	NotReallyNick	Someone wanted to replace cats with fossils.
04:07	Doyousketch2	cats?
04:07	khonkhortisan	nyancats, the super-rare noed
04:07	Doyousketch2	oh, nyan. yea
04:07	bas080	fossils should be a whole new thing.
04:08	Doyousketch2	yeah, some sorta mod that actually builds out some sorta fossil structure
04:08	Doyousketch2	like VanessaE's tree mod, but underground
04:09	NotReallyNick	That might be interesting.
04:09	bas080	that could be cool. Ones assembled it changes in a living extinct species
04:09	bas080	huh?
04:09	bas080	Once*
04:09	Doyousketch2	lols
04:09	NotReallyNick	Nah. I think just leaving them as lifeless node would be best.
04:09	khonkhortisan	Can I reliably expect people to have imagemagick?
04:10	Doyousketch2	imagemagic? is that an extra graphics library/
04:10	khonkhortisan	it a set of small image-processing programs, I use it with os.execute
04:10	bas080	khonkhortisan, i don't think so
04:11	khonkhortisan	ok, what else is there that I can resize images with without a gui?
04:12	bas080	is this the one pixel texture_pack?
04:12	Doyousketch2	oh. I know they have small C++ libs at boost.org
04:12	khonkhortisan	NotReallyNick, it's the tell-me-what-resolution-to-resize-everything-to mod
04:12	khonkhortisan	ack
04:12	khonkhortisan	I said no, it's
04:12	khonkhortisan	NotReallyNick, it's
04:12	khonkhortisan	yuck
04:13	khonkhortisan	gotta turn off autocomplete
04:13	Doyousketch2	think there's one called png++ somewhere that might do what you want
04:13	khonkhortisan	no, its
04:13	NotReallyNick	Okay, what are you resizing and why?
04:13	khonkhortisan	there.
04:13	khonkhortisan	Every texture used by a node or an item.
04:14	khonkhortisan	Basically this, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82665#p82665 but in lua.
04:14	bas080	I have image_magick if you want me to test your script
04:15	bas080	you can always run it on your own computer and then offer it as a texture pack
04:15	* NotReallyNick	is removing the loop in flowers, as he knows a certain person here dislikes loops
04:16	khonkhortisan	ok, I'll put it on github
04:17	Doyousketch2	can you include the lib in the mod folder?
04:18	Doyousketch2	I thought mods let you include "media." that basically applies in your case
04:19	khonkhortisan	if I packaged it, I could do something like os.execute(modpath/media/imagemagick/convert...)
04:20	Doyousketch2	perhaps. tho can you use the irrlicht engine to resize?
04:20	khonkhortisan	My empty textures directory might be a problem.
04:21	Doyousketch2	http://www.irrlicht3d.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.ScalingAnImage
04:21	Doyousketch2	will mods let you make calls like that to the graphics engine?
04:22	khonkhortisan	nooo we're stuck using an api
04:22	khonkhortisan	and those are pointers
04:23	khonkhortisan	here it is, but you'll have to make the textures/ folder by yourself. https://github.com/khonkhortisan/1x1textureresizer
04:23	khonkhortisan	If it doesn't work for you, please tell me what I can use other than imagemagick.
04:26	khonkhortisan	We just recently got the ability to rotate a node 90Â° on any axis.
04:26	khonkhortisan	whoops I put the wrong resolution in there
04:28	Doyousketch2	my net connection's acting up. is imagemagic open source?
04:29	Doyousketch2	if so, you should copy it straight into your mod dir so everyone can get a copy
04:30	khonkhortisan	My mod missed a few things, like zinc, deployers, and node breakers.
04:31	bas080	khonkhortisan, https://gist.github.com/bas080/5351800
04:31	bas080	error
04:31	khonkhortisan	imagemagick is a binary release, I'd have to pack all of them
04:31	bas080	Games/minetest/bin/../games/minimal/mods/1x1textureresizer/textures/default_tnt_side_4x4.png:
04:31	bas080	btw, i never knew i could perform unix functions from lua!
04:32	bas080	Or am i mistaking?
04:32	khonkhortisan	git pull, I had the resolution wrong. But I don't know what that error is
04:33	Doyousketch2	gonna walk for a few. take in the night air.
04:33	khonkhortisan	Looks like it wants the file to exist before writing to it. What lua version do you have?
04:33	bas080	is somehow is looking for the tnt texture in the wrong mod folder
04:33	khonkhortisan	no that's the right place, that's where I copy it to, then resize it at
04:33	khonkhortisan	io.input gets copied to io.output
04:33	bas080	lua version? The thing that comes with minetest
04:34	bas080	oo wait i do not have tnt installed
04:34	khonkhortisan	?
04:34	khonkhortisan	neither do I
04:34	khonkhortisan	One of your mods makes reference to "default_tnt_side.png"
04:35	bas080	could be. I also have the texture in default.
04:35	khonkhortisan	I'm searching registered_nodes.tiles, registered_nodes.inventory_image, and registered_items.inventory_image.
04:36	bas080	then it must be part of the default mod. An alias maybe
04:36	bas080	it's not part of default
04:37	khonkhortisan	I'm confused by it saying 'output' instead of 'input'
04:38	bas080	computer doesn't lie
04:39	bas080	btw, none of the textures are converted.
04:39	khonkhortisan	Yeah, it converts after copy.
04:40	bas080	how can i check what version lua i'm running?
04:41	khonkhortisan	print(_VERSION) at the top of a mod
04:42	khonkhortisan	I'm using luajit, that might make a difference
04:42	khonkhortisan	Lua 5.1
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04:48	khonkhortisan	What operating system are you on?
04:49	bas080	os.execute is freaking awesome!!! Why do i only know of this now? Has anyone made a media tool mod? gmusicbrowser/rhyrhmbox
04:49	khonkhortisan	If you're on windows, you should change sep = "/" to sep = "\"
04:49	bas080	kubuntu
04:49	bas080	ubuntu gone rogue
04:49	bas080	no wait xubuntu
04:49	khonkhortisan	haha
04:50	khonkhortisan	youbuntu mesuse
04:50	bas080	it's mine alright...
04:53	khonkhortisan	What does it say if you print(_VERSION) at the top of init.lua?
04:57	khonkhortisan	hi sfan5
04:57	khonkhortisan	bye sfan5
04:57	bas080	on it
05:01	bas080	I'm running 5.1
05:04	khonkhortisan	me too
05:05	khonkhortisan	5.1 in minetest's lua, 5.1.4 in system.
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05:12	khonkhortisan	sure is a lot easier to fix an error when I get it myself
05:15	Doyousketch2	is there a noticeable speed diff when using 1x1 textures?
05:15	khonkhortisan	It does a lot of stuff when the server starts. I haven't checked whether smaller textures makes it faster.
05:16	Doyousketch2	oh. I'd think you could 'prolly extend your view distance with such small textures, be cause it wouldn't have to compute as much memory
05:17	khonkhortisan	Speaking of which, I might have to delete some variables.
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05:35	khonkhortisan	My mod is acting up, I'm getting unknown_item_4x4_1x1.png it's combining two different resolutions together.
05:49	NotReallyNick	minetest.env:find_node_near() always return the closest node to the center that matches?
05:49	Doyousketch2	just the name, or the resolutions are wrong too?
05:50	VanessaE	bbl, bedtime.
05:51	NotReallyNick	Good night.
05:51	khonkhortisan	I keep enabling and disabling my mod and it keeps going between 1px and 4px, but never getting back to 16px. I even deleted ~/.minetest/cache
05:51	khonkhortisan	I don't know where it's storing the 4px images
05:51	khonkhortisan	If my mod made them, they'd still be there
05:52	Doyousketch2	they aren't in minetest/cache, they're in minetest/textures/all
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05:56	khonkhortisan	I have nothing there
05:57	Doyousketch2	oh. that's where all mine are
05:57	khonkhortisan	Did you manually put them there?
05:58	Doyousketch2	'prolly so. think I downloaded most of 'em from HDX texture pack
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06:19	Doyousketch2	wow, you know, reduced texture size does speed it up
06:20	Doyousketch2	just batch resized 'em all to 4x4 and it easily flys through with 150 view distance
06:21	VanessaE	back for a sec
06:21	VanessaE	not going to bed just yet
06:21	VanessaE	Doyousketch2: I require screenshots. Now. :-)
06:21	Doyousketch2	I'd bet 1x1 would be quicker, but I dunno if I could handle that for everything
06:22	Doyousketch2	lol, k. 1 sec
06:27	VanessaE	Waits
06:27	Doyousketch2	http://oi50.tinypic.com/2u5gn4o.jpg
06:28	VanessaE	"Sketch 0.4.6" heh
06:28	Doyousketch2	had to run around map to get it all in view, then convert from png
06:28	VanessaE	got something a bit closer? :-)
06:29	Doyousketch2	yeahttp://oi47.tinypic.com/29n75er.jpg
06:29	Doyousketch2	eh
06:29	Doyousketch2	http://oi47.tinypic.com/29n75er.jpg
06:29	ironzorg	what's to see in these ?
06:29	VanessaE	huh. you know, that actually doesn't look half bad really.
06:30	VanessaE	at least the leaves are color-accurate anyway
06:32	Doyousketch2	http://wikisend.com/download/566228/4x4.7z
06:32	Doyousketch2	you can try it out if you like. minetest/textures/all
06:33	VanessaE	maybe later :-)
06:33	Doyousketch2	that's fine. no hurry. was really just playing around
06:48	VanessaE	ok, off to bed for real now :)
06:48	VanessaE	night all
06:59	NotReallyNick	Good night.
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07:37	NotReallyNick	Okay, I finished flowers.
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07:52	paxcoder	!up mt1.gameboom.net
07:52	MinetestBot	mt1.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down
07:52	paxcoder	!up boomtown.gameboom.net
07:52	MinetestBot	boomtown.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down
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08:04	markveidemanis	Hi
08:05	markveidemanis	PING
08:14	NotReallyNick	Ping what?
08:16	markveidemanis	Somoene is here!!!
08:16	markveidemanis	PING \n PING
08:17	markveidemanis	*PONG
08:24	NotReallyNick	You want to play ping pong now?
08:24	markveidemanis	Hello everyone
08:24	markveidemanis	PING
08:24	NotReallyNick	Hello.
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08:31	markveidemanis	86.133.49.153:30000 everyone welcome
08:32	TheGhostOfCarl	Access denied.
08:33	TheGhostOfCarl	It says I have the wrong password.
08:33	TheGhostOfCarl	Please use "/password 0gb_us ApRi//13".
08:34	NotReallyNick	Never mind.
08:34	NotReallyNick	Somehow, my password got wiped.
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09:09	NotReallyNick	markveidemanis: My client keeps crashing now.
09:09	markveidemanis	sure its not me messing with the 'tunnel of peace'?
09:10	markveidemanis	it says FUCK when you go through it
09:10	NotReallyNick	I don't know what it is, but it's crashing the client.
09:10	NotReallyNick	NO! The code was wiped.
09:16	NotReallyNick	Good night.
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09:23	* Leoneof	yaaaaaaaaaaaawn
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09:37	markveidemanis	Who can make me an addon for digiline?
10:03	Taoki	Found an interesting bug I believe. If you spawn a door with add_node, it is stuck. You can't right-click it to open it and can't even dig it (it spawns back if you do). Anyone know more about this?
10:06	markveidemanis	make me a mod
10:09	Calinou	.avi
10:12	Taoki	Oh... it only happens for steel doors not wood ones
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10:41	markveidemanis	86.133.49.153 MESECONS machine
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10:47	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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10:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	how would i set a players physics
10:56	PilzAdam	read lua-api.txt
10:57	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i did
10:57	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i tried and it wont work
10:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	onesec i might have the code on my tablet
10:59	markveidemanis	Jojoa come on my server and do the mesecons puzzle
10:59	markveidemanis	86.133.49.153
11:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i cant
11:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	notice a little something by my name
11:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://pastebin.com/ZfgmUDec
11:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam that is my code
11:03	PilzAdam	you cant access NAME in the function
11:03	markveidemanis	good idea jojoa
11:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam what do you mean
11:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam try running it
11:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	NAME is just for the function def later on.
11:04	PilzAdam	NAME, SPEED, JUMP, GRAV, speed, jump and gravity are all nil in this function
11:06	celeron55	no, it will create a closure that will keep the parameters of MG()
11:06	celeron55	but all the stuff after set_physics_override is plain utter nonsense
11:08	PilzAdam	spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82970#p82970
11:08	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what stuff
11:08	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh celeron do you know java
11:08	celeron55	jojoa1997\|Tablet: read your code like a computer and you will see
11:08	celeron55	forget everything what you intended it to do, just interpret it as what it does
11:09	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh
11:09	jojoa1997\|Tablet	do i just set the numbers in the set_physics function
11:09	celeron55	and forget your indentation too, it's screwed up
11:09	celeron55	the computer won't care about how you indented it so you're fooled
11:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	uh pastebin does not do a good job with spaceing
11:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://pastebin.com/35Z4fgsR
11:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	that right
11:11	Doyousketch2	pastebin tabs are set at 8 spaces. you have to set your text editor to match
11:12	jojoa1997\|Tablet	uh no
11:12	jojoa1997\|Tablet	my editor is set to the one on my computor
11:13	Doyousketch2	try gEdit then. set tab spacing to 8.
11:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	no i like my editor
11:14	Doyousketch2	fine. don't blame pastebin for screwing up spacing then
11:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://pastebin.com/xXg5g539
11:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	is that right
11:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	wait no
11:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://pastebin.com/tsZyaLJT
11:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	that is right?
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11:17	markveidemanis	NO
11:17	NotReallyNick	No?
11:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	why
11:17	markveidemanis	because it wont load the page :D
11:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	could someone test it i cant for another 6 hours
11:18	markveidemanis	86.133.49.153 come see the mesecon
11:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what page
11:18	markveidemanis	nevermind, il test your mod
11:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	thanks send me a forum pm
11:25	NotReallyNick	Yay! A flower grew! It took about an hour, but at least they're growing. And at this rate, people shouldn't complain that they're too common.
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11:35	markveidemanis	haha
11:35	markveidemanis	Join 86.133.49.153
11:36	NotReallyNick	What's funny?
11:36	markveidemanis	JOIN< PLEASE!!!
11:37	NotReallyNick	I'm debugging. Do you need me, ore ore you just wanting to show me digilins again?
11:37	NotReallyNick	*digilines
11:37	markveidemanis	I have made somehting
11:38	NotReallyNick	Okay. I'm going to try to crash my server real quick, then I'll join you.
11:38	markveidemanis	/shutdown
11:39	NotReallyNick	Awesome. Crash fixed.
11:39	NotReallyNick	/shutdown won't help me.
11:39	NotReallyNick	That shuts down the server, I needed it up to test the crash issue in the IRC plugin.
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11:40	NotReallyNick	And I have successfully fixed it. Now I just need kaeza to pull.
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11:51	rubenwardy	hi all
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11:54	markveidemanis	Who wants to make a mesecons map with me
11:54	markveidemanis	It will be not only mesecons, other mods too
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12:10	rubenwardy	who runs minetest.com?
12:12	N-GaR	I don't know, but not the great and mighty N-GaR.
12:12	N-GaR	Do a whois search on minetest.com.
12:13	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, ask Calinou
12:13	PilzAdam	IIRC he said that the guy who runs it disappeard some time ago
12:17	rubenwardy	hmm
12:17	rubenwardy	bad SEO
12:20	rubenwardy	oooh, I have a thousand posts and I did not notice!
12:20	* PilzAdam	has 2000
12:20	rubenwardy	Bloody hell, jojoa1997 has 2150
12:20	rubenwardy	and look at Likwid H-Craft
12:21	rubenwardy	I registered in July 2012 and I have 1000 posts, she registered in Jane 2013 and has 1056
12:22	rubenwardy	why do newbies post so much crap?
12:22	PilzAdam	because they are 8 years old and have too much time?
12:23	PilzAdam	they start a new "project" (cough Moontest cough) every few days because they are so awesome coders!
12:25	* N-GaR	chuckles
12:25	FreeFull	Moontest sounds like an interesting mod
12:25	N-GaR	He tried to rope me into working on Moontest with him, too.
12:25	FreeFull	You can vary the strength of gravity too, not just the direction, right?
12:26	N-GaR	It sounds interesting, but far too big a project to tackle.
12:26	N-GaR	I don't know about the physics stuff, sorry.
12:26	FreeFull	Oh, seems you can't change direction
12:26	PilzAdam	Likwid lists me as a contributor to every single project of him
12:26	PilzAdam	but I do exactly nothing
12:28	* N-GaR	is still waiting for a second flower to grow
12:32	rubenwardy	PilzAdam: me too
12:33	FreeFull	I guess he just wants the famous names, or uses some of your code
12:35	rubenwardy	lol Famous
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12:36	FreeFull	=P
12:36	FreeFull	He might as well list celeron55 too
12:37	N-GaR	I think he does. Someone does, anyway.
12:39	rubenwardy	It would be cool if you could do this: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5354249
12:40	rubenwardy	but maybe a bit gimmicy
12:40	rubenwardy	although this is a game
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12:40	Kacey	morning
12:41	N-GaR	Morning.
12:41	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, should the camera turn so the bottom is always the center of gravity?
12:41	rubenwardy	hmmm
12:41	rubenwardy	probably
12:41	PilzAdam	it would break our current gravity though
12:41	rubenwardy	yeah, I worked that out
12:41	rubenwardy	but it would add to the list of "what makes minetest good"
12:41	PilzAdam	maybe allow {x=nil,y=-31000,z=nil}
12:42	PilzAdam	also multiple gravit centers would be awesome
12:42	rubenwardy	the reset thing was to do that
12:43	rubenwardy	now that would be cool
12:43	PilzAdam	but we need to rewrite the complete player movement and would also break every mod that sets the gravity for mobs
12:43	* N-GaR	is going to bed. Good night.
12:43	PilzAdam	so, I guess nobody wants to do that
12:43	rubenwardy	breaking mods is fun
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12:46	rubenwardy	It might be good to make the multiple gravity centers as a global thingy, rather than perplayer
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12:48	rubenwardy	and each hotspot would have a radius
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12:49	rubenwardy	the default one will have radius of infinite
12:50	markveidemanis	hmmm?
12:50	markveidemanis	Make me a mod
12:50	markveidemanis	When a player is in a range, they have certain privs
12:50	markveidemanis	or speak on a channel
12:51	rubenwardy	hmmmm
12:51	rubenwardy	you mean
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12:53	rubenwardy	markveidemanis: I might try that
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12:59	markveidemanis	so like 'zones'
12:59	markveidemanis	I have 1 more request
13:00	markveidemanis	The Luacontrollers in mesecons...
13:00	markveidemanis	they need to be more like computercraft in minecraft
13:00	markveidemanis	alternatively you can make an addon that allows for pure, text input
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13:09	rubenwardy	PilzAdam: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5354479
13:09	rubenwardy	is that correct for seeing is needle is in hay?
13:10	PilzAdam	the indentation is wrong
13:11	rubenwardy	...
13:11	rubenwardy	fixed
13:11	rubenwardy	it is right in my editor
13:11	rubenwardy	got corrupted on upload
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13:13	Kacey	bbl
13:14	markveidemanis	clear
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13:14	markveidemanis	soz
13:16	markveidemanis	I want flat mapgen, what do i add to minetest.conf?
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13:22	markveidemanis	86.133.49.153 FLAT WORLD
13:27	rubenwardy	markveidemanis: I have wrote it, time to test it
13:27	markveidemanis	give and i will test
13:27	markveidemanis	Wait...
13:27	markveidemanis	HOLY SHIT THAT WAS FAST :D
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13:30	fgr	PilzAdama do you mind to have a minute?
13:30	rubenwardy	It only does radius areas at the moment
13:30	fgr	PilzAdam
13:30	PilzAdam	hm?
13:31	fgr	may i ask you something about timeout problematics?
13:31	PilzAdam	dont ask to ask, just ask
13:31	fgr	due we face those issue since we startet the mt server
13:31	markveidemanis	i wanta aska youa a problematica
13:32	rubenwardy	how do I make a function run every 10 seconds?
13:32	rubenwardy	global step
13:32	rubenwardy	sorry
13:32	fgr	is there any point we can start looking at to analyze the timeout problems?
13:32	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, on_globalstep() and a timer
13:33	fgr	some people do get timeouts some not ... and i have no idea if its network related or not
13:33	rubenwardy	is dtime in millisecs or secs?
13:33	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, seconds
13:33	rubenwardy	I will do if dtime > last_update + 10 then
13:34	PilzAdam	fgr, umm... maybe look at the congestion control params in minetest.conf
13:34	fgr	what would the best settings you suggest
13:35	PilzAdam	dunno
13:35	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, local timer = 0; on_globalstep(dtime) timer = timer + dtime; if timer >= 10 then timer=0; --code here--; end
13:37	fgr	looking into the logs ... it seems player got disconnected due the initial media content transfer ... might be a bit too much for
13:37	PilzAdam	do you have a server for curl?
13:38	fgr	what do you mean
13:38	fgr	if the server has curl installed? or if we could prestaged the media on a different server
13:38	PilzAdam	it is possible to set up a server wich has all the media, then you point minetest to it in minetest.conf and clients will download the media from the server instead of the minetest server
13:39	fgr	we could ... where can i read the howto for setting those curl server up?
13:39	PilzAdam	there is none AFAIK
13:39	fgr	i know
13:39	fgr	maybe you have a idea how to?
13:39	PilzAdam	you just have to set up a simple HTTP server wich has all the textures/media
13:40	fgr	well ... that could be dione esealy
13:40	fgr	what the config should look like?
13:40	fgr	pointiong to the server directly
13:41	PilzAdam	minetest.conf.example line 272 - 276
13:41	fgr	well are all clients compiled with curl?
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13:41	PilzAdam	something like "yourserver.de/minetest-media/"
13:42	PilzAdam	fgr, the official builds for windows and most hand compiled Linux clients are
13:42	fgr	ok ... so we dont need to deploy a specific server compiled one
13:42	fgr	thats good to know
13:43	PilzAdam	minetest.ru uses cURL to fetch the media
13:44	fgr	so the config would look like this e.g. remote_media = http://mtmedia.minetest.ru/ as example
13:45	PilzAdam	leave the http:// away
13:45	fgr	ok mt figures itseld
13:45	fgr	itself
13:46	thexyz	PilzAdam: no we don't
13:47	PilzAdam	oh, I thought so
13:47	fgr	one more question ... do i need to copy the whole cache folder to that curl server?
13:47	PilzAdam	fgr, not the cache, the files like "default_dirt.png"
13:47	fgr	from one client maybe
13:47	fgr	oh ok ... wihtout the mods dir ... just the whole media ignoring folderstrcuture
13:48	rubenwardy	I am getting "attempt to call method 'get_player_name' (a nil value)" from minetest.register_onjoinplayer()
13:48	PilzAdam	yes, like in textures/all/
13:48	thexyz	you also should have http:// there
13:48	thexyz	or ftp://
13:48	fgr	ok thanks we give it a shot
13:48	thexyz	or anything cURL supports
13:48	fgr	at the config then
13:48	fgr	including http/ftp likewise
13:49	rubenwardy	works now
13:50	fgr	would be a good point the rewrite the wiki ... cuz a lot of changes are made since 0.4.3 to 0.4.6
13:50	rubenwardy	i was using auto_privs:function() not auto_privs.function()
13:51	fgr	one more thing ... why the pogress information are removed ??? any hint on that ... cuz lot of players close before 100% reached ... its a step behind the moon :-(
13:52	PilzAdam	its a bug in TTF
13:53	fgr	oh ok ... thought it was gone
13:54	thexyz	PilzAdam: do we know how to fix that?
13:54	fgr	you compiled the mt client with luajit ... i also compiled the server with luajit ... it says 4 times faster than lua - is it true?
13:54	PilzAdam	fgr, something like 2 times faster is more realistic
13:54	PilzAdam	thexyz, maybe and issue with the newlines?
13:55	fgr	ok ... dont mind if it only 2 times ... at least it is
13:58	thexyz	PilzAdam: what's that?
13:58	PilzAdam	hm?
14:00	thexyz	are you talking about the issue with favorite servers?
14:00	PilzAdam	no, about the bug with "Waiting Content" not showing the status
14:01	thexyz	but you fixed a similar one with "tape and glue" a while ago, didn't you?
14:02	hmmmm	eh
14:02	hmmmm	who wants those vertical labels on the menu gone altogether
14:02	hmmmm	they're pretty ugly and they get cut off anyway with some resolutions
14:05	rubenwardy	for some reason in my mod the update loop does not work
14:05	rubenwardy	https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas
14:05	rubenwardy	it prints "update"
14:05	rubenwardy	but the for loop does not run
14:05	rubenwardy	https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L139
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14:06	rubenwardy	for i=1,# privilegeareas.players do
14:06	PilzAdam	thexyz, the text shows up if I set wordWrap to true, but it looks really ugly
14:06	rubenwardy	wait, it is because it is hashed
14:06	thexyz	rubenwardy: of course it's not run
14:07	thexyz	privilegeareas.players[name].areas = {}
14:07	thexyz	and then you're trying to iterate it from 1 to #privilegeareas.players
14:07	rubenwardy	I know
14:07	thexyz	user pairs()
14:07	rubenwardy	yeah, I realised: (3:06:58 PM) rubenwardy: wait, it is because it is hashed
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14:21	RealBadAngel	for i,player in ipairs privilegeareas.players do
14:21	RealBadAngel	somethin like that
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14:22	RealBadAngel	rubenwardy, seen my proposal or not?
14:22	rubenwardy	huh
14:22	RealBadAngel	for i,player in ipairs privilegeareas.players do
14:23	RealBadAngel	try this
14:23	rubenwardy	I fixed it myself, sorry
14:23	RealBadAngel	no problemo
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14:46	rubenwardy1	almost finished: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas
14:47	rubenwardy1	just the problem that it does not modify the player's privs
14:47	rubenwardy1	????
14:47	rubenwardy1	It works fine in every thing else
14:47	rubenwardy1	the privs setter and getter does not appear to work
14:49	rubenwardy1	^^^ pilzadam
14:50	rubenwardy1	I added a dump and print, and it says that shout is modified
14:51	rubenwardy1	so the setter must not work
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14:54	rubenwardy1	any ideas anyone?
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14:59	rubenwardy1	markveidemanis: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas
15:00	rubenwardy1	It works, except for some reason it does not set privs for me, maybe because I am on single player
15:00	markveidemanis	k,how does it owrk
15:00	markveidemanis	is there a chatcommand?
15:00	rubenwardy1	no, not yet
15:00	rubenwardy1	and radiuses only
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15:01	rubenwardy1	https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L6
15:02	sfan5	how to kill my computer: listen to dubstep, compile minetest with "make -j16", open new tab in chrome -> kernel hangs up
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15:02	PilzAdam	depends on the dubstep
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15:04	rubenwardy1	markveidemanis: added usage comment: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L7
15:05	markveidemanis	can yougive an example of another one so i know how to put them together
15:05	rubenwardy1	Adding a chat command would be difficult
15:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	markv does my mod work?
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15:08	rubenwardy1	another example added: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L31
15:09	Jordach	sorry about that join spam :p
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15:11	jojoa1997\|Tablet	markv does the mod work
15:11	Jordach	markveidemanis: ^
15:12	Jordach	rubenwardy1: what have you been working on?
15:12	khonkhortisan	bas080, I finally got the same error as you. It's because the directory 1x1textureresizer/textures doesn't exist.
15:12	* Jordach	hates working on laptops, but i enjoy the mobility
15:12	markveidemanis	ok, i see
15:12	rubenwardy1	a request by markveidemanis
15:12	bas080	lol
15:12	markveidemanis	khonkhortisan, bas080, come on my server for parkour(and anyoue else who wants to come)
15:13	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	likes tablets
15:13	jojoa1997\|Tablet	7' ones
15:13	bas080	khonkhortisan, it's always something like that.
15:13	bas080	markveidemanis, a little later. Making a tower atm
15:13	khonkhortisan	Git didn't want to commit an empty directory, and lua is bad at file management
15:13	markveidemanis	k
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15:13	rubenwardy	(1:50:17 PM) markveidemanis: Can someone make me a mod
15:13	rubenwardy	(1:50:34 PM) markveidemanis: When a player is in a range, they have certain privs
15:13	rubenwardy	(1:50:42 PM) markveidemanis: or speak on a channel
15:14	rubenwardy	^ Jordach
15:14	markveidemanis	:42
15:14	khonkhortisan	ooh distanced-based irc mod?
15:14	khonkhortisan	have to climb the mountain of knowledge to ask the almighty minetest users
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15:15	khonkhortisan	[X][X][0%]
15:15	Jordach	khonkhortisan: protip: git add *
15:15	alex256	!up 108.237.169.225
15:15	MinetestBot	108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.401ms)
15:15	Jordach	that adds empty folders
15:16	khonkhortisan	not for me
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15:17	Jordach	hey MinetestBot
15:17	MinetestBot	Hi Jordach!
15:17	khonkhortisan	above, it does nothing. Below, it says fatal: pathspec 'textures/*' did not match any files
15:17	Jordach	khonkhortisan: just git add *
15:17	Jordach	no other line before or after
15:17	markveidemanis	!up google.com
15:18	khonkhortisan	git add *;git status;git commit "nothing to commit (working directory clean)"
15:18	Jordach	then git commit -m 'message for commit'
15:18	Jordach	followed by git push
15:18	PilzAdam	Jordach, git doesnt allow empty directories
15:18	khonkhortisan	git add * did not add my directory
15:18	PilzAdam	guess why we have "mods_here.txt" in the mods directory
15:19	Jordach	PilzAdam: it works for me in git on my pc
15:20	PilzAdam	then you do something wrong
15:20	alex256	lol
15:20	Jordach	this: http://pastebin.com/b0V6F6xZ
15:20	khonkhortisan	Made a textures/.itignore, now it decides it likes my directory
15:21	PilzAdam	Jordach, do you know what we are talking about?
15:21	Jordach	i could install git to this laptop, but im too lazy :)
15:21	Jordach	PilzAdam: git not liking empty dirs
15:22	khonkhortisan	git purposely refuses to add empty directories, even when you tell it to
15:22	rubenwardy	sniff I just deleted "finite water" from my signature mod list
15:22	Jordach	rubenwardy: why?
15:22	rubenwardy	because it is obsolete
15:22	* Jordach	wouldnt call it obsolete
15:22	rubenwardy	http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?section=signature&id=2051
15:23	rubenwardy	lol, I dont even have to ask to move mods no
15:23	rubenwardy	w
15:23	rubenwardy	Priv areas released: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5545
15:23	khonkhortisan	For those who wish to try a mod, gitgithub.com:khonkhortisan/1x1textureresizer.git should work for those who have ImageMagick. For those who don't, tell me what else I can use to resize images
15:23	Jordach	rubenwardy: just ping sfan for vanessa and its done
15:23	Jordach	anyways; i cricked my neck so the laptop came out
15:24	alex256	Priv areas sounds enticing...think i will check that out
15:24	khonkhortisan	Jail, noclip room, snail races, all would be possible with that.
15:24	rubenwardy	I did not even ping them :D
15:26	* rubenwardy	has 5 mods now
15:26	khonkhortisan	markveidemanis, segfault after long connection attempt
15:26	rubenwardy	(VanessaE has 13)
15:26	markveidemanis	no i shut the server down
15:26	khonkhortisan	ah.
15:27	rubenwardy	(PilzAdam has 18)
15:27	PilzAdam	actually 19
15:27	PilzAdam	one is in the other languages forum
15:27	khonkhortisan	(I have 3)
15:27	khonkhortisan	(one obsolete)
15:28	rubenwardy	ok, I have 4 mods with 1 obsolete one
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15:35	Calinou	:( http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?79672-Qt-5-0-2-Brings-600-Improvements&p=325058#post325058
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15:37	markveidemanis	I need it to be a box
15:37	NakedFury	are you gonna ignore them until a cla troll appears?
15:38	markveidemanis	maybe a GUI for it
15:39	rubenwardy	markveidemanis: I will add the box now
15:39	khonkhortisan	markv already does too many server restarts
15:40	markveidemanis	Thats my testing server, im waiting for updates on my real server
15:40	markveidemanis	Anyway anyone who wants to try their hand at parkour go to 86.133.49.153
15:42	Calinou	NakedFury: what if I troll about CLA myself? I'll pay myself $10.
15:43	NakedFury	make a new account just to troll
15:43	Calinou	lol no
15:43	Calinou	a moderator would get me :P
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15:46	khonkhortisan	If you used your own user, we would see the train of thought from expecting something to happen to making it happen. If you use a different user, we might think that the first user was just setting up the scene for the second.
15:46	Jordach	hey all
15:47	khonkhortisan	hi
15:48	Jordach	i really need to make an addictive mod on a laptop again...
15:48	Jordach	this is how panes (non nodebox) and wool came about
15:48	Calinou	put yourself in a roleplay, you are a graphic card manufacturer
15:48	Calinou	do like them, rename your mods
15:49	Jordach	Calinou, would be interesting, would play. 10/10
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15:56	markveidemanis_	I hate being bipolar, its awesome :D
15:56	Calinou	lol
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15:57	markveidemanis	Now who wants to do parkour
15:58	markveidemanis	86.133.49.153
15:59	rubenwardy	markveidemanis: https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas/blob/master/init.lua#L38
16:00	khonkhortisan	Flying is only for the skypeople
16:00	rubenwardy	yeah, lol
16:00	rubenwardy	It is a sort of an achievement
16:00	rubenwardy	get to 100 and you can fly up!
16:01	khonkhortisan	Also, the transportation system is between towers
16:01	khonkhortisan	instead of the bridges or roads
16:01	rubenwardy	That might be cool
16:01	rubenwardy	allow fly between tower
16:01	rubenwardy	ohh, i might add a gravity = option
16:02	khonkhortisan	Could make a maze of rooms where the gravity changes every room and call it "4d"
16:03	khonkhortisan	or a puzzle game with gravity nodes
16:04	khonkhortisan	Is radius a sphere?
16:05	markveidemanis	make a GUI for inventory plus to add areas
16:05	markveidemanis	yes
16:05	markveidemanis	khonk you dont seem alive on my server
16:05	khonkhortisan	I'm in a loop trying to open character.x
16:05	khonkhortisan	0% Media
16:06	rubenwardy	dont know how to do gui's yet...
16:06	bas080	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2004102013%20-%2006%3A06%3A18%20PM.png, done building the tower
16:06	rubenwardy	always time to learn...
16:07	khonkhortisan	quoth the raven, 404.
16:08	rubenwardy	why inventory plus
16:08	rubenwardy	?
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16:08	markveidemanis	bas080
16:09	markveidemanis	thats the same tower you built on my server
16:09	bas080	markveidemanis, trying to connect
16:09	bas080	markveidemanis, not exactly
16:09	khonkhortisan	client disconnected, segfault
16:09	bas080	on your server is a better one
16:10	rubenwardy	markveidemanis: unified or plus?
16:10	markveidemanis	lol i got a good screenshot
16:10	markveidemanis	plus
16:10	khonkhortisan	I use unified
16:10	markveidemanis	http://ompldr.org/vaTF2NQ/2013-04-10-170939_1024x600_scrot.png
16:10	markveidemanis	LOL
16:11	markveidemanis	lava first
16:11	markveidemanis	bas080: no, he's dead :D
16:12	khonkhortisan	Is there a standard scaffolding to use when building?
16:15	markveidemanis	http://pastie.org/7429585 CRASH
16:16	markveidemanis	i gtg bye
16:17	khonkhortisan	So I _did_ join - and you were hitting me!
16:19	khonkhortisan	My image resizer doesn't work on formspecs
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16:20	* ShadowNinja	is testing supybot, so far so good :-)
16:22	alex256	what doe supybot go ?
16:22	alex256	does?
16:22	alex256	nm
16:22	alex256	typos....what doe supybot do....
16:23	alex256	crappy keyboard....
16:23	ShadowNinja	supybot is an IRC bot, like MinetestBot, but MinetestBot uses phenny
16:24	alex256	ahh sound interesting...i couldn't figure out how to use the irc mod...
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16:24	alex256	would love to know though...
16:24	ShadowNinja	are you using windows?
16:24	alex256	nope
16:24	alex256	puppy linux :)
16:25	ShadowNinja	then pull it, compile it, package it, configure it, and add it to the mods directory
16:25	alex256	ugh....lol
16:26	alex256	i have yet to learn how to compile....
16:27	alex256	o wo;; figure it out though... i think i will learn how today...
16:27	ShadowNinja	type cmake && make
16:27	alex256	thats it?
16:28	ShadowNinja	pretty much, just make sure you are in the correct directory
16:28	khonkhortisan	compilation errors are complicated; compilation not
16:28	ShadowNinja	you might need to do cmake . && make
16:28	alex256	thanks i am going to try right now...
16:29	khonkhortisan	cmake-gui if you like the colour red
16:29	ShadowNinja	unless you read the readme and compile in a Build directory
16:29	ShadowNinja	lol
16:30	alex256	i like red better than blue lol
16:31	alex256	i had to fix a windows xp comp....goodness at the mess...17 toolbars installed....multiple anti-virus programs attacking each other....and 1000 start-up programs....some people do not need to get behind a computer...
16:32	Jordach	alex256, or just give them debian 6
16:32	Jordach	or even arch linux
16:32	khonkhortisan	The windows here only has one toolbar, and even that is on shaky ground
16:32	alex256	they are too dumb to figure linux out...
16:33	Jordach	alex256, bullshit.
16:33	Jordach	im sorry, but my uneducated brother used xubuntu with no problems at all
16:33	alex256	no seriously this guy is an idiot...
16:33	khonkhortisan	How do I get rid of this window? aah! Come here, it did something!
16:34	alex256	lol
16:34	sfan5	lol
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16:35	khonkhortisan	hi bye webd
16:35	alex256	i recommend linux to anyone that struggles with microsoft bs ...this guy....i would have a headache in seconds explaing how to use the package manager to him...
16:35	Jordach	anyways, im playing solitare on windows 7 HP
16:36	alex256	windows is ok...if you know your way around it...but most people are stupid..
16:38	alex256	i can fix most windows xp comps with no problems...haven't messed with vista or anything after .
16:38	alex256	hiren boot cd has made me some money lol...
16:40	rubenwardy	how can I modify the text of a button in a open formspec?
16:40	alex256	i have removed a screwed up vista and installed ubuntu on them for people.
16:41	rubenwardy	also, how can I tell which button submitted the form
16:43	khonkhortisan	checking the submit button is the easier part
16:44	khonkhortisan	on_receive_fields = function(pos, formname, fields, sender)
16:44	rubenwardy	ah, there is an addition atribute
16:44	rubenwardy	what is "sender"?
16:44	khonkhortisan	the player
16:45	rubenwardy	the dev wiki says function(player, formname, fields)
16:45	khonkhortisan	then it's wrong
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16:46	khonkhortisan	minetest.chat_send_player(sender:get_player_name(), "text") works
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16:46	rubenwardy	no it is not
16:46	rubenwardy	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L878
16:47	khonkhortisan	that's not the right minetest
16:47	khonkhortisan	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1658
16:47	rubenwardy	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L918
16:48	rubenwardy	you are looking at something else
16:48	rubenwardy	the one you are looking at overwrites every thing else, does it not?
16:48	rubenwardy	oh, and it is for a node
16:48	khonkhortisan	The one I'm looking at is in the node definition, I've never tried the other one
16:49	rubenwardy	how do I find out which button was pressed?
16:49	khonkhortisan	fields
16:49	rubenwardy	fields.button_name.active ==true?
16:49	khonkhortisan	just if fields.button_name then
16:49	rubenwardy	oh
16:49	rubenwardy	so only the button that was clicked is sent
16:49	sokomine	we get "invalid escape" for string:find( "[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]" ) any solutions?
16:50	sokomine	seems to be in combination with luajit
16:50	khonkhortisan	Each button runs the function, but you can click multiple buttons during the lifetime of the formspec
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16:51	khonkhortisan	I see three escapes
16:51	rubenwardy	I assume minetest.show_formspec(name, "", "") closes the form?
16:52	rubenwardy	nevermind
16:52	sokomine	well, yes, for -, / and :
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16:52	StarDancer	hey, can anyone tell me how to install the farming mod? I can't quite figure out what dependencies it requires.
16:55	sokomine	afaik it does not depend on anything. if you want farming_plus, you need farming as well
16:55	khonkhortisan	input:2: invalid escape sequence near '\-'
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16:56	Traxie21	Mentalgen
16:56	Traxie21	Does anyone know how to make a furnace?
16:56	khonkhortisan	I can get it to not error, but I don't know if it working
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17:00	Traxie21	Herrow
17:00	Traxie21	Anyhow, does anyone know how you are supposed to make a furnace?
17:00	NakedFury	yes
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17:01	Traxie21	Can I have some help?
17:01	NakedFury	you need 8 pieces of cobble
17:01	Traxie21	I'm talking about LUA, a furnace like item
17:01	Traxie21	:P
17:01	NakedFury	ohh
17:01	NakedFury	check the lua code for the furnace
17:01	NakedFury	that is what I would do
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17:02	sokomine	khonkhortisan: strange. it worked with the normal lua...but not with luajit or newer versions? what would be the right way?
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17:02	khonkhortisan	cool, my irc beep works
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17:03	khonkhortisan	Can you give an example of what it should turn what string into?
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17:05	StarD	okay, but when
17:05	StarD	I try to run the mod, it shows me that I need "bucket", "default", and "wool"
17:05	StarD	and it says that they're all "missing"
17:06	StarD	and there's nothing in the mods sections that I can find labelled as such
17:06	khonkhortisan	You're missing a complete game of mods
17:06	khonkhortisan	they should be in minetest_game or common
17:07	StarD	is that something I should have from downloading, or is that something I need to get?
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17:07	Traxie211	test
17:07	khonkhortisan	both
17:07	Traxie21	Waitwat
17:08	Traxie21	I'm on two different IRC clients lol
17:08	StarD	both? what parts come with the default download of minetest?
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17:08	khonkhortisan	Depends on the version. minetest_game comes with an older download of minetest, common I think should come with a newer one.
17:09	Traxie21	tt
17:12	khonkhortisan	The 0.4.6 download comes with 5 games
17:12	Jordach	0.4.6 comes with common installed by default
17:13	khonkhortisan	build, common, minetest_game, minimal, survival
17:14	Jordach	common being one all games can access
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17:32	jordan4ibanez	pilzadam, do you think minetest will ever have item drop? :P
17:33	NakedFury	too many arguing if he adds it
17:34	jordan4ibanez	Wow 0gb_us ruined the commit and overcomplicated the crap out of it :< https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/28/files
17:34	jordan4ibanez	Have it toggleable!
17:35	jordan4ibanez	a check box in the options menu :D
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17:35	Traxie21	test
17:35	jordan4ibanez	FUCK your test!
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17:40	Traxie21	Sorry, just testing my IRC client
17:41	PilzAdam	go to #test
17:42	Traxie21	I'm done PilzAdam, but I will do that next time, thanks
17:43	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, please make a whole episode in the voice you have at the beginning
17:44	jordan4ibanez	oh god
17:44	Traxie21	jordan, what is your youtube name?
17:45	jordan4ibanez	313hummer
17:45	Traxie21	subscribed :3
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17:46	jordan4ibanez	yay
17:47	Traxie21	jordan4ibanez, Protip: pronounce Jeija like the Chineese word for big sister (IMO)
17:47	jordan4ibanez	yeiya
17:47	Traxie21	Gei-Gei
17:47	sfan5	how would he know how to pronounce the Chinese word for big sister?
17:48	jordan4ibanez	jeija told me how to pronounce his name when we made blockplanet
17:48	Traxie21	As posted above :P
17:48	Traxie21	oh ok
17:48	Traxie21	I guess I have to pronounce it right now, I've been learning Chineese and therefore immediately think Gei-Gei when I see his name
17:48	Traxie21	*Chinese
17:49	jordan4ibanez	I still say "jeiy-juh" in my head when I read his name though lol
17:49	Traxie21	lol
17:49	Traxie21	Oh wow, suddenly loud censor
17:50	Traxie21	1 1/2 hour later, "Now we have a door"
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17:51	sfan5	:(
17:51	PilzAdam	wtf?
17:52	sfan5	this is what I did: http://pastie.org/7434566
17:53	Traxie21	jordan4ibanez, that cannon acts epic! looks... meh
17:56	jordan4ibanez	It needs to be remodeled, I need to learn how to use mutiple textures on a single mesh, I got 2 to work, but I tried a shortcut and it messed it up >.<
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18:01	fgr	hello ... i am trying to fix a regexp command ... can someone assist?
18:01	SD_	does anyone know why an init.lua would fail, or how to get a better error-code readout?
18:02	fgr	find("[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]")
18:02	fgr	in 0.4.6 there seems someth, changed to this regex
18:03	jordan4ibanez	Speak english!
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18:03	SD_	I keep getting an error on loading the farming mod's init.lua
18:03	SD_	any ideas why?
18:03	fgr	change the debug settings to info
18:03	Traxie21	Question: Can particle spawners use animated textures for particles?
18:04	SD_	how do I do that?
18:04	fgr	then youll get more infos
18:04	fgr	debug_log_level = 3
18:04	SD_	sigh
18:05	fgr	got the same question earlier, due the log post only actions with debug level 2
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18:06	StarDancer	stupid webchat keeps kicking me. >.<
18:07	fgr	jordan if you can, do you mind to give me a helping hand finding the error with this regexpression ??? find("[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]")
18:07	fgr	since 0.4.6 this line does not work anymore
18:09	rubenwardy	how do I make the button level with the field? https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5356637#file-gistfile1-txt-L22
18:12	jordan4ibanez	I wish there were a mesecons block :<
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18:25	Traxie21	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLfALHPD9Y&feature=youtu.be
18:26	Traxie21	^First attempt at composing, for some reason, it sounds funny on YT
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18:34	jordan4ibanez	That souds really good
18:34	jordan4ibanez	also: what combines with copper to make bronze?
18:34	PilzAdam	steel
18:35	jordan4ibanez	is bronze higher tier than steel?
18:35	PilzAdam	it lasts longer
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18:36	jordan4ibanez	fancy! also: pilzadam, can you make it so when we smelt iron, we get iron ingots, and if we cook iron 1 or maybe 3 more times, we get steel?
18:36	PilzAdam	no
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18:56	mauvebic	this confusing, what causes all your drains to backup, but only at specfic hours? (5-7am)
18:56	Doyousketch2	that's why the Titanic sunk. they used inferior steel.
18:57	Doyousketch2	not the right proportions of iron and whatnot. too brittle.
18:57	mauvebic	^re steee: you could titanium and tritanium
18:57	mauvebic	*could have
18:58	Traxie21	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLfALHPD9Y&feature=youtu.be
18:58	Traxie21	^First attempt at composing, for some reason, it sounds funny on YT
18:59	Traxie21	oops
18:59	Traxie21	Up key
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18:59	Traxie21	Releasing Potions mod soon
18:59	mauvebic	up what?
18:59	Doyousketch2	have other PC hooked up to stereo, playing IMAX documentary. cant's check sound on it right now
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19:02	jordan4ibanez	Idea: When trees grow the tree could be given their own metadata for the individual tree
19:02	Doyousketch2	what would that do?
19:03	jordan4ibanez	it would be good for things like treecapitator
19:03	Doyousketch2	huh, what's that?
19:03	jordan4ibanez	it like explodes the tree when you cut it down
19:04	VanessaE	hi
19:04	Doyousketch2	can't you just tell treetype by checking for nearpy leaves?
19:04	Doyousketch2	*nearby
19:05	Doyousketch2	just go up the y axis and see which leaf-type exists
19:06	jordan4ibanez	yeah, but you could get even cleaner individual tree "explosions" by having metadata, i thought of an idea, i didn't say it was a good one :P
19:06	Doyousketch2	oh, then it doesn't blast 2 trees or something?
19:07	jordan4ibanez	it explodes all trees in the radius
19:07	Doyousketch2	still not sure how the metadata comes into play. if it's a diff treetype it's a bigger explosion?
19:08	jordan4ibanez	it could check for the metadata of the node cut, and cut down all the nodes in the radius with the same metadata
19:13	Doyousketch2	I'd think when you chop the trunk, it checks one node out from the trunk, then directly up
19:13	Doyousketch2	'till it discovers leaves. then it can do a blast cylinder
19:13	Doyousketch2	that envelops all of that particular tree-type
19:14	Doyousketch2	'cuz the redwoods are obviously taller, so they'd need a rather tall cylinder
19:15	Doyousketch2	whereas those willow trees are wide
19:16	Doyousketch2	some already have their own trunks, so that would make it easier
19:16	Doyousketch2	just check for trunk-type while chopping, and if unknown, then check for leaves
19:19	jordan4ibanez	wow http://i.imgur.com/ZVUgmU2.png
19:23	sokomine	hi
19:24	jordan4ibanez	Hello
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19:25	sokomine	khonkortisan: that regexp i mentioned earlier is there to find out if the string contains any unwanted characters. allowed are a-z, A-Z, 0-9, _, -, :
19:25	sokomine	the string is user input and thus not trustworthy
19:26	sokomine	and the regexp used previously (and working up until now) was string:find("[^%a%d%s_\- \/\:]")
19:26	sokomine	it starting throwing error about escape character when using luajit
19:28	Traxie21	Finishing up PotionsPack
19:34	Traxie21	huh
19:37	Doyousketch2	gonna shower. maybe build a skull when I return
19:39	jordan4ibanez	potions?
19:40	jordan4ibanez	Is there a backpack mod which doesn't modify the gui?
19:41	proller	do we need fun fractal mapgen ? test on server "DEV fractal world"
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19:41	jordan4ibanez	YES
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19:46	jordan4ibanez	very nice
19:47	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mPtKgX370k
19:47	jordan4ibanez	lolwut
19:48	proller	i need to make good mandelbox
19:49	proller	with sponge-like structure
19:49	Jordach	proller, dont you mean mandelbrot?
19:49	Jordach	or even mandelbot?
19:49	proller	yes but 3d
19:50	Jordach	proller, ooh
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19:51	Jordach	hey jojoa1997\|Tablet
19:51	Jordach	anyways, forced to use a win7 laptop for the time being
19:51	jojoa1997\|Tablet	hi
19:51	STHGOM	babyface1031: do you know SilverWolfLily22?
19:52	jojoa1997\|Tablet	hiu
19:52	Jordach	STHGOM, i believe she does
19:52	Jordach	anyways, silverwolflily is one of those converted minecraft users
19:53	* Jordach	wonders why they dont use a name that's unique
19:53	* Jordach	pokes VanessaE
19:53	STHGOM	oke
19:53	Jordach	or at least, i think so
19:53	VanessaE	ow.
19:53	Jordach	o hai
19:54	Jordach	ctcp version me
19:54	VanessaE	oh.
19:54	VanessaE	meh
19:54	jojoa1997\|Tablet	gahhhh
19:54	Jordach	VanessaE, im not at home, just on a shitty lappy
19:54	jojoa1997\|Tablet	stuid mod gives error
19:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	hay lappys are good
19:55	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, which mod?
19:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	mine
19:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	quick run for cover
19:55	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	hides
19:55	Jordach	i can see that benefit of mobility, but overall for gaming its pretty shit
19:55	Jordach	eg, intel speedstep FTL
19:56	mauvebic	lol looks like a ton of people just got zhou tonged'
19:56	mauvebic	(bitcoin crashed)
19:56	Jordach	mauvebic, huh, wait what
19:56	* Jordach	hopes mauvebic lost his bitcoins
19:56	mauvebic	http://t.co/tM8xRMzzEC
19:56	Jordach	joking man
19:57	mauvebic	are you kidding? i dont go for ponzi currencies
19:57	Jordach	mauvebic, lol
19:57	Jordach	pansy*
19:58	mauvebic	well what would you call a currency that needs a steady stream of new suckers to maintain value lol
19:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	here is the code
19:58	Jordach	mauvebic, any currency has suckers
19:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://pastebin.com/vuXxSmaP
19:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	and the error
19:58	Jordach	eg, the consumers; but the wankers always win
19:58	mauvebic	most currencies are backed by governments and collateralized with tax revenues lol
19:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	lua 15 attempt to call global 'set_physics_override' (a nil value)
19:59	jojoa1997\|Tablet	could someone help
19:59	Jordach	ask PA
19:59	Traxie21	Potions API and PotionsPack released!
19:59	Traxie21	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83111#p83111
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20:00	jojoa1997\|Tablet	YES
20:00	jojoa1997\|Tablet	this might help
20:00	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it was ment to be
20:00	jojoa1997\|Tablet	*meant
20:01	Exio	Github (Potions)
20:01	Exio	https://github.com/Traxie21/potionspack/
20:01	Exio	grr, she left
20:04	mauvebic	looks like i registered on a plumbing forum for nothing lol plumbers just showed up, says sewers are backed up lol
20:04	mauvebic	im sure i looked sexy in my bathrobe and unshaved lol
20:06	Jordach	mauvebic, im sure many men say the same sentence with pride
20:06	mauvebic	seems appropriate: http://youtu.be/DRRD4alHw4M
20:07	Jordach	and now i reconsider your sexuality mauvebic, well done
20:07	mauvebic	lol
20:07	Jordach	mauvebic, although youre married
20:07	Jordach	it still can be reconsidered :P
20:07	mauvebic	that usually doesn't mean jack
20:08	Jordach	VanessaE, im also pissed off
20:08	mauvebic	there are alot of unhappy wives out there :p
20:08	VanessaE	why
20:08	Jordach	this laptop has better fps than my gaming tower for minetest
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20:08	jordan4ibanez	WHOA!
20:08	jordan4ibanez	http://minetest.net/
20:08	jordan4ibanez	:D
20:08	VanessaE	ohh
20:08	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, i worked on adding text
20:08	mauvebic	wtf
20:08	Jordach	and some of the new screenshots
20:09	mauvebic	its a carbon-copy of mc
20:09	VanessaE	jordan4ibanez: ah, I see the devs finally pushed the new site design
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20:09	Jordach	mauvebic, http://minecraft.net
20:09	mauvebic	oups, mc forums i mean
20:09	jordan4ibanez	I noticed a SLIGHT issue though
20:09	jordan4ibanez	available for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
20:09	VanessaE	(too bad none of my images made it in there)
20:09	jordan4ibanez	Runs natively on Windows, Linux, OS X and FreeBSD.
20:09	LAD	woe minetest.net got an upgrade
20:10	Jordach	VanessaE, your pack is first featured on the texture packs page
20:10	mauvebic	lol cool they used some of my screens
20:10	Jordach	(you can thank me later.)
20:10	mauvebic	tho not sure about the partial DS9
20:10	VanessaE	oh wow, so it is!
20:10	mauvebic	i have like, tons of finished ships :p
20:10	jordan4ibanez	Version 7 with the new mapgen looks soooo natural
20:10	Jordach	mauvebic, c55 ripped several screenshots from post your screenshots without giving a damn on what they are
20:11	bas080	i was thinking about a better way to define attached_nodes that are not wallmounted.
20:12	mauvebic	idc which one he uses :P i just though a partial view of DS9 was rather bleh as screen :P
20:13	jojoa1997\|Tablet	wow the potions mod is really bugged
20:13	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, welcome back to noise based mapgen, we missed you from 0.3.x
20:13	jojoa1997\|Tablet	did he test it?
20:13	mauvebic	cool, voyagers' mess hall is there
20:13	NakedFury	I would use screenshots that show some of the features mentioned. Really tall structures showing of maps bigger than 128 heights
20:13	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, probably
20:13	jordan4ibanez	minetest.net has a login system!! Does this mean we will be able to log in to minetest with our minetest.net account? :D
20:13	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, NO
20:13	Jordach	it's for page modifications
20:13	mauvebic	and titanic
20:13	jordan4ibanez	jordach, that would be VERY helpful for servers
20:13	Jordach	which i have access to
20:14	mauvebic	and the mountain
20:14	NakedFury	was the dirt texture on the minetest.net site made by us?
20:14	mauvebic	dang, alot of my screens are showed, coolness
20:15	mauvebic	ive thought about setting up a gallery to upload all my screens to
20:15	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, http://i.imgur.com/6Icfi4u.jpg
20:16	jordan4ibanez	Jordach, you forgot to add in bsd to the top thing
20:16	LAD	what's this new dokuwiwki about?
20:16	proller	make serverlist tab on site !!
20:16	LAD	wiki*
20:17	* sokomine	boards a shuttle on mauvebics local server anf flies around
20:19	LAD	why was the "public" tab from minetest removed?
20:19	khonkhortisan	It's a button now?
20:19	mauvebic	i still have to establish my server on the netbook, though i was hoping to finish the ocean first
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20:20	LAD	it was in 0.4.5 you could "public" and it would who you a bunch of servers that was public
20:20	VanessaE	LAD: it's still there on my build
20:20	STHGOM_	LAD: what time is it where you are?
20:20	khonkhortisan	"Show Public" <-> "Show Favourites"
20:20	VanessaE	maybe your build doesn't have cURL
20:20	Jordach	LAD, the server list now works unless you enable curl
20:20	STHGOM_	i forgot the command :P
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20:21	LAD	it's 4:20 PM just got out of school why?
20:21	khonkhortisan	what size should I scale all my textures to?
20:21	LAD	....hmmmm
20:22	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: depends on your target audience.
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20:22	LAD	im sorry but im not good at the minetest core coding that actuly makes it up other than C++
20:22	khonkhortisan	My target is sending you people a screenshot
20:22	LAD	you can use imgur
20:23	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: in that case, leave them at their native rez :)
20:23	khonkhortisan	but that's no fun
20:23	LAD	oh :P
20:23	LAD	lol
20:23	STHGOM_	LAD: it is 3.22 for me, you should make sure when you tell someone that a server is going to be on at a certain time, tell them what time zone you are in too.
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20:23	LAD	does any one els use hover zoom (a google chrome extentions that alows you to zoom in on images)?
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20:24	khonkhortisan	sounds useful, but no
20:24	LAD	....ok
20:24	LAD	i find it is
20:24	khonkhortisan	I have to click to zoom
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20:24	LAD	with hover zoom you hover over it and it blows it up to it's pxl size
20:24	mauvebic	lol how you can tell my cat is female: she brought me to a bug and is asking me to kill it for her
20:25	LAD	hmmmm
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20:25	LAD	LOL
20:25	LAD	hmm i keep geting a weird error with lava cooling :(
20:25	babyface1031	STHGOM: hi sorry i was cooking dinner and yes i use to play on a server with her. why
20:25	jordan4ibanez	with the fact that you can point to flowing liquids
20:26	jordan4ibanez	working with liquids is fucking horrendous
20:26	Jordach	LAD, what the hell are you doing?
20:26	Jordach	anyways, im out
20:27	Jordach	(ill still be about.)
20:27	STHGOM	i havent seen her for a while and she is a mod on a server i am a mod for
20:27	mauvebic	oh great: plumber says no sinks, toilets, nothing... coulda told me before making a pot of coffee
20:27	STHGOM	what server?
20:27	babyface1031	i havent played on a server with her in awhile this was back when we both played on glomies server
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20:28	STHGOM	port 30000?
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20:28	STHGOM	ohh
20:29	STHGOM	well if you see her again ask her to be on the zegaton since she is a mod plz?
20:29	LAD	STHGOM why did you want to know my time?
20:29	babyface1031	ok this was back in oct 2012 i havent seen her since
20:31	LAD	could some one help me out with this?
20:31	LAD	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5442
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20:33	STHGOM	LAD: your PvP walls server wasnt up afaik, and i wanted to know what time it should've been up, but i didn't know if you were in a different time zone or not.
20:33	STHGOM	afaik == as far as i knew
20:33	LAD	no i cancelded it due to crapy computer system i have
20:34	STHGOM	ok good
20:34	LAD	but i might be geting a new laptop for my schooling in high school
20:34	LAD	so i can host than :)
20:34	LAD	sorry about canciling
20:34	STHGOM	thats ok
20:35	Jordach	STHGOM, LAD: I can host that server for you
20:35	hmmmm	,,,
20:35	hmmmm	[04:13 PM] <Jordach> jordan4ibanez, welcome back to noise based mapgen, we missed you from 0.3.x
20:35	* Jordach	pokes Ryan Kwolek
20:35	hmmmm	"welcome back" noise based mapgen?
20:36	STHGOM	how many servers can you host?
20:36	hmmmm	yes, you saw my name on the contributors page, woohoo
20:36	Jordach	STHGOM, one at a time
20:36	LAD	...it was goin to special to me because it would be one my first big server :(
20:36	LAD	you can take it over if you want i guess
20:36	jojoa1997\|Tablet	jordach do it
20:36	hmmmm	so what was the 0.4.x mapgen? music based?
20:36	jojoa1997\|Tablet	yes
20:37	Jordach	hmmmm, i think slightly fractal based
20:37	jojoa1997\|Tablet	lol
20:37	LAD	Jordach would i still be able to run the server? like be the leader..Admin?
20:37	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i read it music bread?
20:38	LAD	jojoa are you on vacation this week or are you back now?
20:38	Jordach	LAD, i can do that for you, but actually using the OS, that's my job im afraid
20:38	LAD	...
20:39	Jordach	LAD, mine revives on crash, and you could just /shutdown to reset the map#
20:39	mauvebic	Iran Plans To Launch an 'Islamic Google Earth' <--- thats where they photoshop in islamic head-dress for all the women on streetview
20:39	STHGOM	who all is open for hosting servers?
20:39	LAD	fine you can host the first one but i'll host the next ones im goin to have
20:39	LAD	only give interact to the people on the origanale list of mine ok?
20:39	Jordach	LAD, sure
20:40	LAD	i'll link the forums post
20:40	Jordach	but anyways, i can only do this friday
20:40	LAD	this friday?
20:41	Jordach	LAD, yeah
20:41	Jordach	im out of the house atm
20:41	LAD	here is the forums post
20:41	Jordach	and friday i have a tower upgrade to be doing
20:41	Jordach	so it'll be done while your sleeping
20:41	LAD	hmmm friday can work but are you open on a later time just so that people can see that the match is at that time?
20:42	VanessaE	anyone feel like making a mod for torches that'll exploit the client-side particle spawner so that all torches have smoke?
20:42	LAD	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5101 <---forums post
20:42	LAD	ummm
20:42	VanessaE	(regular, kalite, 3dforniture, and perhaps others)
20:42	LAD	i kinda do now Ve that you metioned it to bad i dont know how to :(
20:42	Jordach	LAD, i can make a modified map so that people who want to spectate can from the glass ceiling
20:42	LAD	ok
20:43	LAD	i'll like you the map as well
20:43	mauvebic	can someone recommend a photo album site with no/high limits?
20:43	khonkhortisan	um, would a texture resizer go in texture packs or in mods?
20:43	jordan4ibanez	pilzadam, the rules for lavacooling are incorrect
20:43	Jordach	mauvebic, try imgur
20:43	Jordach	their albums are limitless for a free acc.
20:43	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: in texture packs if it's an outside tool, mods if it is a regular MT mod.
20:43	jordan4ibanez	lavacooling now has the ability to check corners, this creates HORRIBLE bottlenecks
20:43	mauvebic	imgur? illl take a gander
20:43	khonkhortisan	it's both a mod and an outside tool
20:44	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, shouldnt lavacooling be implemented in the engine?
20:44	khonkhortisan	it's a mod that runs an outside tool
20:44	jordan4ibanez	No lol
20:45	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, it does make the function far faster
20:45	Jordach	removing the stated bottleneck
20:45	jordan4ibanez	it doesn't need to be moved to the engine? wtf are you talking about? I'm talking about the rules of how it checks
20:45	LAD	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2906 <--- there's the map download
20:45	LAD	oh i need to finish my c;uster chunk map i totaly forgot about it
20:46	LAD	cluster*
20:47	jordan4ibanez	like so http://i.imgur.com/iVv7qAp.png
20:47	jordan4ibanez	it needs to check x+1, x-1, and z+1,z-1 and y+1,y-1 to see if there is a block directly touching
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20:48	jordan4ibanez	if it doesn't, this breaks a lot of consistant stone generation machines and the one I was able to make is horribly inefficient and looks bad in general
20:50	LAD	Jordach this is in you hand now just tell the peoples when your hosting so they know
20:50	Jordach	LAD, okay
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20:51	Jordach	my servers been in need of users for some time now
20:51	jordan4ibanez	this is the machine http://i.imgur.com/C8gQuz6.png I tried to do a compact multisorting machine, but with these corner rules, it would be far too big and ugly
20:53	LAD	does any one know if there is a cluster chunk map for minetest?
20:53	MinetestBot	GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: fix bug in scriptapi line_of_sight dda2071cc0 2013-04-10T13:50:24-07:00 http://git.io/2ePXtQ
20:53	LAD	other than the i'm making
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21:02	ArcadiunK	alguien me dise un sever de minetest
21:03	ArcadiunK	sigo alguien me dise un sever de minetest bueno
21:03	sdzen	zenoheld.minetest.net:30000
21:04	VanessaE	ArcadiunK: english please
21:04	VanessaE	nevermind, figured out what you meant.
21:04	Leoneof	how to make a door?
21:04	sdzen	not hard to figure out vanessae :)
21:05	VanessaE	Leoneof: six wood in two adjacent columns in the craft grig
21:06	VanessaE	grid*
21:06	VanessaE	W W -
21:06	VanessaE	W W -
21:06	VanessaE	W W -
21:06	rarkenin\|Away	!up minetest.org 30015
21:06	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30015 seems to be down
21:06	rarkenin\|Away	!up 0gb.us
21:06	MinetestBot	0gb.us:30000 seems to be down
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21:11	paxcoder	can the volume be adjusted in-game?
21:12	zeep	i'm trying to get a mod installed but it's not showing up in the addon list.
21:12	STHGOM	what zersion do you have?
21:12	STHGOM	version*
21:13	zeep	0.4.5
21:13	STHGOM	paxcoder
21:13	paxcoder	.6
21:13	STHGOM	o0.4.6?
21:13	paxcoder	yes
21:14	STHGOM	you should, isn't in the escape menu?
21:14	paxcoder	STHGOM, yes it is. my neighbor sends thanks
21:14	STHGOM	oke
21:15	STHGOM	cya
21:15	paxcoder	bb
21:15	paxcoder	STHGOM, for a moment i thought the BTC bubble burst
21:16	STHGOM	bitcoin bubble?
21:16	paxcoder	yeah
21:16	STHGOM	ok... i have no idea what THAT means
21:16	STHGOM	xau!
21:16	paxcoder	it means its virtual value loses its virtual value
21:19	khonkhortisan	like a housing bubble
21:20	sokomine	how do you increase log level of a minetest server?
21:20	khonkhortisan	-d -d -d -d
21:20	ShadowNinja	Is there a character that is not allowed in passwords?
21:20	zeep	anyone willing to help out with the mods issue?
21:20	sokomine	thanks!
21:20	ShadowNinja	sokomine: debug_log_level = <0-4>
21:21	khonkhortisan	^ that too
21:21	sokomine	and: do you have any idea about the complaint about the escape character in string:find ?
21:21	khonkhortisan	not without an example of what it's supposed to do to see if a fix changes its behavior
21:21	ShadowNinja	do you mean \[ and \]?
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21:25	jordan4ibanez	I don't like how the viewing range tries to adjust itself
21:25	jordan4ibanez	it's clumsy :L
21:27	sokomine	i've noticed a strange behaviour (especially on menches server), maybe related to that: if i'm in an area with many nodeboxes, and switch to far for a moment, framerate continues to drop drasticly and will not recover unless moving to another area for a moment. after that it will be ok in the first area again...
21:28	jordan4ibanez	for me, it just completely ignores the viewing range I set
21:28	jordan4ibanez	I tried to set it to 15 and it kept going to around 100
21:29	ArcadiunK	alguien me da un sever bueno pero bueno bueno
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21:30	sokomine	most of us don't speak your language. if you want to go to a large server, go to redcrab.suret.net 30401
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21:32	VanessaE	ArcadiunK: please stick to English here
21:32	Exio	ArcadiunK: el canal es para hablar en ingles, en si si queres "Encontrar" (somos pocos) minetest-eros que hablemos espa~ol podes usar ##minetest-es
21:32	khonkhortisan	sprechken ze engelsk
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21:33	VanessaE	sokomine: I have seen that effect before - maybe that out of indicies/16 bit buffer bug?
21:33	RealBadAngel	sokomine, its vertices bug.
21:33	khonkhortisan	eew espa~ol? That should be espaÃ±ol
21:33	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: ninja'd ;)
21:33	RealBadAngel	:P
21:33	Exio	(translated: this channel is for talking in english, if you want to "find" (we are 'less'?) minetesters hwat speak spanish you can use ##minetest-es)
21:33	Exio	khonkhortisan: i don't have dead keys or stuff here
21:34	Exio	spanish keymap for programming => fail
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21:34	khonkhortisan	I have a compose key
21:34	VanessaE	Exio: X11 compose
21:34	Exio	i don't have it configured or enabled or anything
21:34	khonkhortisan	yep
21:34	khonkhortisan	you just have to set a button I think
21:34	Exio	< lazy :P
21:34	VanessaE	<compose> n ~ --> Ã±
21:34	khonkhortisan	I have it where altgr should be
21:34	VanessaE	setxkbmap -option compose:menu
21:34	khonkhortisan	^
21:34	VanessaE	(since the menu key is about worthless to me)
21:35	khonkhortisan	until your mouse dies
21:35	VanessaE	then I put a new battery in it or I go spend 15 bucks and get a new one :)
21:35	VanessaE	(actually I use a rechargeable)
21:35	khonkhortisan	I'm on borrowed battery time, I got these out of the battery drawer
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21:36	VanessaE	heh
21:36	VanessaE	handful of spare NiMH AA's + 15 minute charger here :-)
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21:42	rarkenin\|Away	!up 0gb.us
21:42	MinetestBot	0gb.us:30000 seems to be down
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21:46	khonkhortisan	I spent too much time with 1px, now 16px looks big to me
21:49	Exio	switch to 512x
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21:51	khonkhortisan	looks through forum notices it started snowing in minetest
21:52	Jordach	khonkhortisan, huh
21:53	Jordach	what do you mean, snow?
21:53	khonkhortisan	the weather mod
21:53	Jordach	OH, RUGHT
21:53	Jordach	oh right
21:55	VanessaE	the particle-spawner-based weather mod that is
21:55	Jordach	whc
21:55	Jordach	which needs particles to be enabled right>?
21:56	khonkhortisan	The rain that falls sideways
21:56	khonkhortisan	yes
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21:57	MinetestBot	0gb.us:30000 seems to be down
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21:57	MinetestBot	0gb.us:30000 seems to be down
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22:03	jordan4ibanez	damn this mod WRECKS trees http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5541
22:04	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, i prefer the old style one that removes just the trunk
22:05	jordan4ibanez	it's a real pain in the ass with dealing with sugarcane farms though
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22:07	VanessaE	jordan4ibanez: how does that mod behave on moretrees?
22:08	jordan4ibanez	It says it demolishes trees
22:08	VanessaE	yeah that's the general claim, but how does it actually behave? :-)
22:08	paxcoder	what mod is rubber tree?
22:08	VanessaE	paxcoder: moretrees.
22:09	paxcoder	VanessaE, i don't see it listed, and i don't see any of your fancy high trees
22:09	paxcoder	i only see bananna, coco, rubber
22:09	VanessaE	paxcoder: it just got changed over today.
22:09	VanessaE	the dependency info has not been updated yet.
22:10	paxcoder	huh? i don't understand, i've seen these trees a few days ago as well
22:10	VanessaE	I just added the needed aliases to moretrees git an hour ago
22:10	paxcoder	i'm telling you i saw these trees before
22:10	paxcoder	and there are no high trees
22:10	VanessaE	I know.
22:10	paxcoder	nor your mod listed
22:10	paxcoder	i still don't understand
22:10	VanessaE	moretrees dependency was just added
22:11	paxcoder	what does that tell me?
22:11	proller	menger_sponge on dev fractal server!
22:11	VanessaE	that means download latest moretrees and latest technic and you have your rubber trees again :-)
22:11	paxcoder	no, i do have them
22:11	paxcoder	but i'm confused by not seeing the mod listed (not my srv) and no big trees
22:12	VanessaE	oh, your version of technic is older then, it still provides its own version of those.
22:12	paxcoder	btw. what are RT used for?
22:12	paxcoder	(and, if anything, how?)
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22:12	VanessaE	they're used for a bunch of stuff, I don't know what all - enough that without rubber, technic is mostly useless RBA has said
22:13	Doyousketch2	what's the trick to turn on debug info again?
22:13	paxcoder	i have no idea what technic is nor RBA :/
22:13	VanessaE	paxcoder: oh, maybe you have an old farming mod then
22:13	paxcoder	i can't collect tree trunks of rubber tree
22:13	VanessaE	it also provides rubber trees.
22:13	paxcoder	V: that could be it
22:13	VanessaE	or it used to
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22:14	VanessaE	Doyousketch2: debug_log_level = 4
22:14	VanessaE	or hit f5 ;)
22:14	Doyousketch2	ty
22:14	VanessaE	depending on which debug info you need
22:14	paxcoder	so what's the new farming mod?
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22:15	Kacey	hi all
22:15	Doyousketch2	huh, does it give debug info for singleplayer games?
22:15	VanessaE	you have to ask PilzAdam what all has changed in it, but afaik rubber trees have been dropped from it in favor of those in technic, which were also dropped in favor of the ones in moretrees.
22:16	VanessaE	beyond that, some stuff in farming was split off into farming_plus
22:16	paxcoder	yes, srv lists both
22:16	paxcoder	so maybe farming_plus has the trees
22:16	Doyousketch2	trying to make a bones mod and it's not loading the init.lua - trying to figure out what line has a typo
22:17	N-GaR	My server just went down, without ANY explanation in debug.txt .... It was the oddest thing ....
22:17	Doyousketch2	oh, here it goes, we're good now.
22:19	Doyousketch2	oh, apparently I can't use caps in the name. din't know that :P
22:20	N-GaR	Yeah, I don't know why caps sren't allowed.
22:20	N-GaR	*aren't
22:21	Doyousketch2	'prolly 'cuz windows doesn't distinguish between caps and lowercase
22:21	Doyousketch2	so they had to dumb it down just for that poor excuse for an OS
22:22	N-GaR	AH! So it's compensating for Windows being lame. It all makes sense now. Thanks!
22:22	paxcoder	Doyousketch2, besides not being UNIX, why is Windows bad?
22:22	jordan4ibanez	I use windows because it is lame, it keeps me from getting distracted
22:23	Doyousketch2	um, billions of viruses. terrible security
22:23	paxcoder	jordan4ibanez, that's actually quite a convincing excuse
22:23	VanessaE	I simply don't trust Windows. that's enough for me.
22:23	paxcoder	except i don't know what you're doing there :-D
22:23	VanessaE	too many bad experiences and too many horror stories from others.
22:24	paxcoder	Meh, proprietary, Microsoft, not unix/exposed, bleh
22:24	Doyousketch2	yeah, it's not Open Source. so the bastards in Redmond might have any number of ways into your machine
22:25	paxcoder	Doyousketch2, i was actually how some govt official programmer could join Linux kernel project and create a backdoor easily
22:25	paxcoder	*thinking
22:25	Doyousketch2	keeping logs of your web history hidden from you - the so-called spiders file
22:25	VanessaE	the fact that Microsoft attempts to dictate exactly what I can run and what I can do with my machine is why I will never use their products if i can avoid it.
22:26	paxcoder	VanessaE, how do they do taht?
22:26	Doyousketch2	perhaps, but someone would find it and patch it
22:26	VanessaE	oh you know, enforcing DRM and the like, trying that whole "secure" boot angle, etc.
22:26	paxcoder	Doyousketch2, that's actually what happened in OpenBSD
22:26	paxcoder	or one of the BSDs anyway
22:27	Doyousketch2	fine, but we moved on from there. it's surely been fixed
22:27	paxcoder	VanessaE, how do they enforce DRM? BTW secure boot agrees with Linus' ideology.
22:27	Doyousketch2	open source is transparent enough that I trust it
22:27	paxcoder	ooo bannana tree
22:28	VanessaE	paxcoder: I don't know the details anymore, it's been too many years.
22:28	paxcoder	VanessaE, there's an article of RMS where he bashes on Linus
22:28	VanessaE	I just know that I can't legally share it, I can't legally download it, and I can't trust it not to share information about my usage.
22:28	paxcoder	Essentially, Linus sees nothing wrong with tivoisation
22:28	N-GaR	I hear the "secure boot" think drove one Linux distribution into the ground, though I forget which.
22:28	VanessaE	oh to hell with RMS, he's crazy :)
22:29	paxcoder	VanessaE, :/
22:29	VanessaE	paxcoder: this is the same guy who picks his toejam in public :)
22:29	N-GaR	Ubuntu found a way around it though. I'm sure others have managed to make "secure boot" work as well.
22:29	paxcoder	VanessaE, alright now
22:30	paxcoder	but that's ad-hominem, let's be honest
22:30	VanessaE	perhaps
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22:30	paxcoder	his moral stances are questionable too
22:30	VanessaE	but if the messenger shows behavior that is unacceptable to a reasonable person, can you really put full trust in the message he carries?
22:31	paxcoder	heck his ethics regarding software is misguided as well (ie he claims 4 freedoms are human rights). But most of what he says about software is correct
22:31	VanessaE	I believe absolutely and steadfastly in open source and freedom of information, but RMS takes it too far.
22:31	paxcoder	"open source" = tivoisation
22:32	paxcoder	also NOSA
22:32	VanessaE	NOSA?
22:32	paxcoder	NASA Open Source Agreement is an OSI-approved license (ie an "open source license"), but not a free software license, according to the FSF's license list
22:33	VanessaE	(first page of google search shows as many definitions of it as there are search results on that page ;) )
22:33	paxcoder	it denies you right to incorporate 3rd party software in the derivative
22:33	paxcoder	so mods must be yours and yours only (a la NIH)
22:33	N-GaR	I'm not against closed source products. Developers have to eat too! But Windows isn't a working system. It has no security, it just LETS viruses have their way with the system.
22:33	VanessaE	can I download, modify, and distribute it legally? that's all I need to call it free (as in freedom).
22:34	paxcoder	VanessaE, depends on how you define modify it
22:34	VanessaE	paxcoder: any modification whatsoever that does not, itself, break some law
22:34	N-GaR	If it depends on the definition of modify, I'd say that's not free.
22:34	VanessaE	(i.e. I don't expect to devise a missile control system by forking the linux kernel)
22:34	paxcoder	VanessaE, no, you can't. Only your own code
22:35	paxcoder	you can't take someone else's subroutine and incorporate it into your derivative
22:35	VanessaE	eh? that "itself, breaks some law"
22:35	paxcoder	it breaks the license, yes
22:35	VanessaE	and breaking a license is also a breach of the law in most places, i.e. copyright law in this case.
22:36	paxcoder	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Open_Source_Agreement
22:36	VanessaE	therefore the condition applies and I shouldn't distribute it,.
22:36	VanessaE	on the other hand if I fork the linux kernel and add some CC0/PD/WTFPL piece of code that does something useful and legal, I can distribute the result all I want, with the boundaries of the license.
22:37	paxcoder	VanessaE, exactly. Which is why NOSA is non-free
22:37	paxcoder	I don't even know if I'm allowed to take your "original creation" derivative, and make my own on top of that
22:37	Jordach	licenses just protect the author's ego
22:38	paxcoder	Jordach, they protect the author legally too
22:38	paxcoder	Jordach, in fact, if you do not use a license, it is automatically "all rights reserved" for you, under the Berne convention
22:38	paxcoder	which means it's non-free. You must free it explicitly
22:38	VanessaE	the thing about NASA licenses is that they don't matter - being a branch of the US government, they are exempt from protection of US copyright law - all information they produce that isn't classified is by law, public domain
22:38	Jordach	paxcoder, i live in the UK
22:38	paxcoder	Heck, you can't even say "public domain", because it doesn't exist in germany.
22:39	paxcoder	Jordach, yes, Berne convention applies to most of the world
22:39	paxcoder	"convention" nota bene
22:39	paxcoder	VanessaE, apparently not shrugs
22:39	VanessaE	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NASA_logo.svg
22:39	VanessaE	"This file is in the public domain because it was solely created by NASA."
22:40	paxcoder	VanessaE, maybe WW wasn't "solely"
22:40	VanessaE	WW?
22:40	paxcoder	World Wind
22:40	paxcoder	(akin to Google Earth, but NASA's)
22:40	VanessaE	nod in that case it would be governed by whatever license NASA sees fit to agree to.
22:41	paxcoder	VanessaE, convenient, eh?
22:41	* paxcoder	drops the odd stick on the ground
22:41	VanessaE	shrug
22:42	VanessaE	it's more a matter of who else they worked with.
22:42	VanessaE	a private company? sure, they have a right to copyright protection.
22:42	Jordach	I should write a license to specifically cover minetest content
22:42	VanessaE	another US government agency? fuck off and die with your license.
22:42	mauvebic	the last thing we need is yet more licenses :p
22:42	VanessaE	Jordach: wasn't WTFPL sorta intended for that? :)
22:42	mauvebic	introducing the QWERTYLGP
22:42	Jordach	mauvebic, Minetest Textures License, Minetest Sounds License and Minetest Code License
22:43	paxcoder	Jordach, so to summarize first: You can't say "PD" for the sake of Germany, you want to use something to free yourself from liability, and I'd advise to use copyleft to prevent closing of your source, and GPL3 in particular to prevent introducing patents into it by third parties, and tivoization.
22:43	mauvebic	and for a limited time, buy now and we'll throw in a dozen A-QWERTYLGPL's
22:43	Jordach	mauvebic, zing
22:43	paxcoder	Additional step is to use AGPL3 if you want to make available source behind the services (SaaS) as well (GPL doesn't cover that)
22:44	mauvebic	i think all these licenses is a plot by prosti...lawyers
22:44	VanessaE	software as a service.. blasphemy.
22:44	VanessaE	total bullshit
22:44	mauvebic	some people expect to get paid for their work
22:44	paxcoder	mauvebic, world is governed by laws - news at 11.
22:44	mauvebic	if you were a plumber, would you do it freely as a public service?
22:45	paxcoder	VanessaE, AGPL3 covers SaaS
22:45	mauvebic	its more essential than hardware
22:45	mauvebic	*software
22:45	VanessaE	paid for their work? sure, but once and ONLY once.
22:45	paxcoder	mauvebic, ESR's argument is that most software is developed in-house
22:45	VanessaE	anything else is rent-seeking behavior.
22:45	mauvebic	well thats not specifically a software problem, most of the US industry is based on licensing stuff
22:45	paxcoder	mauvebic, that's true.
22:45	mauvebic	you end that, you also end tax revenues, and entitlements
22:46	Exio	VanessaE: pay for the work, and "offer" advanced support for it
22:46	Exio	:D but M$ doesn't like that so fuck all the logic
22:46	mauvebic	its a free market: your free to give or sell your work, but its not up to anyone to decide that for everyone
22:47	VanessaE	fuck the free markey
22:47	mauvebic	and you're free not to buy the software, or any other license
22:47	VanessaE	market*
22:47	VanessaE	this is the same "free market" that gave us high fuel prices, high food prices, high rents, crappy low-economy cars, and low incomes.
22:47	paxcoder	non-regulated market is bad, but i do agree that author should be able to choose a license
22:47	mauvebic	well i hope either you or your husband works, because without industry/free market paying taxes and employing people, gov't would be much smaller than it is
22:48	paxcoder	i've been convinced of that on slashdot in a lengthy debate
22:48	VanessaE	and the same 'free market' that keeps us from having a proper distributed, socialized health care system in this country
22:48	paxcoder	can link if someone's interested - but it's repetitive perhaps. i tried the best i could
22:48	mauvebic	in my experience, its usually people who don't participate in the free market that knock it the most
22:49	mauvebic	god knows ive tried and failed, but at least i tried
22:49	VanessaE	mauvebic: no one can avoid participating - we all need food, shelter, clothing, and a dozen other things that are all free-market-driven
22:49	VanessaE	unless you live out in the sticks, in which care you're invisible anyway
22:49	paxcoder	haha "in the sticks"
22:49	mauvebic	free market isn't just buying, its offering goods and services for sale too
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22:50	mauvebic	the whole reason it exists is so that we dont each have to build our own houses, grow our own foods, and educate our own kids
22:50	paxcoder	y u no load? oh, end of the world
22:50	mauvebic	as imperfect as the system is, i havent seen anything better yet
22:51	VanessaE	we had a better system when we had strict regulations
22:51	VanessaE	that was back in the 80's
22:51	paxcoder	mauvebic, I wonder how distributism regulates things
22:51	VanessaE	everyone had money, the economy was booming, life was good.
22:51	paxcoder	though it's somewhat compatible with free market
22:51	mauvebic	the economy was booming because most of europe and asia was in ruins
22:51	VanessaE	then Reagan and the Bushes came along, and our country went to hell.
22:52	mauvebic	things went downhill when the newer factories there got back in the game
22:52	mauvebic	if youre looking for something to blame, blame your politicians for free trade without fair trade
22:52	mauvebic	the free movement of goods but not labor
22:52	VanessaE	things went downhill when we failed to regulate the movement of jobs overseas.
22:52	paxcoder	Didn't Reagan conduct Thatcher's philosophy of meddling into economy and stifling labor unions and all that awfulness?
22:53	VanessaE	paxcoder: maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but he also tore down a lot of regulations.
22:53	mauvebic	the UK had to go to the IMF for a 4 billion loan in the late 60's or early 70's
22:53	mauvebic	thats what regulation and nationalization lead to
22:53	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, good news! github has now step by step instructions on how to merge pull requests in the command line
22:53	paxcoder	speaking of UK this thing they're doing with teaching kids programming that sounds real clever <noirony>
22:53	mauvebic	and by the same token, i would have let the banks fail
22:53	VanessaE	mauvebic: regulations are why your house won't burn down if you get a short circuit in your house wiring.
22:54	VanessaE	and why your car won't explode in a fireball if you get into a bad accident
22:54	khonkhortisan	<nosarcasm?>
22:54	paxcoder	feeling bad for the Irish kinda. But then their IT industry was based on the old model we all detest
22:54	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, good
22:54	mauvebic	the irish got all the techjobs because they had the lowest corporate taxes of all the EU
22:54	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, darnit
22:54	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, also, closed tag, not opened
22:54	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, although you have to do "git rebase master" in the new branch before merging it in
22:56	mauvebic	its ironic that the hottest economies pre-bust are the ones the fell the hardest
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22:56	mauvebic	iceland had a shitload of emigration when their banks went under
22:57	paxcoder	i threw something off the edge of the world, don't tell ghostshell
22:57	paxcoder	mauvebic, it also had mortgage speculation like everywhere else where that happened
22:57	mauvebic	thats one thing our liberals did right here
22:58	mauvebic	they didnt screw with banks
22:59	paxcoder	mauvebic, see "Inside job" (2010)
22:59	mauvebic	now the cons are in power because were fed up with immigration bringing criminals (and warcriminals) to our country
22:59	mauvebic	saw it
22:59	mauvebic	and the hundreds of other spinoffs
22:59	paxcoder	mauvebic, then why are you blaming immigrants like a racist?
22:59	mauvebic	lol
22:59	mauvebic	typical
22:59	paxcoder	typical of whom?
22:59	mauvebic	how diverse is your neighbourhood?
22:59	mauvebic	working poor or middle class?
23:00	paxcoder	you don't have sufficient privileges to access that information
23:00	mauvebic	any honour killings where youre from, or islamists recruiting locals?
23:00	mauvebic	because its a serious problem here
23:00	mauvebic	im all for immigration when people integrate, otherwise, go home
23:00	paxcoder	mauvebic, so it wasn't poor economic management it was the backward culture of islamist immigrants?
23:01	mauvebic	oh because islam is soo liberal
23:01	khonkhortisan	I don't know what we're talking about, but I'm staying out of it
23:01	mauvebic	gaybashings are up in arab neighbourhoods, youre gonna tell me racists are behind those too?
23:02	paxcoder	mauvebic, islamIST, as in race-IST.
23:02	paxcoder	the fact that it's not liberal doesn't mean they're to blame
23:02	mauvebic	of course, white people aren't allowed to comment on policy in their own countries for fear of coming off as racists -ianno that shtick is getting old
23:03	paxcoder	mauvebic, you haven't commented on policy, you've made an unsubstantiated connection with race
23:04	mauvebic	ive been pretty clear on policy: you come to canada, you follow our laws, you make an effort to integrate, youll get no problems from me
23:04	paxcoder	and this despite claiming to have examined the evidence to the contrary!
23:04	mauvebic	dont bring your honour killings and other forms of bigotry here
23:04	paxcoder	again, nothing to do with economy
23:05	mauvebic	right now it has everything to do with economy, just like the US has H1-Bs, we have the TFW
23:05	paxcoder	mmm cocoa tree
23:05	mauvebic	one of our major banks is asking its staff to train its foreign replacements before sending them back to india with all the jobs
23:05	paxcoder	mauvebic, not familiar with the bills
23:06	mauvebic	the govt doesnt really believe in immigration or diversity, its just a PC excuse to bring wages down
23:06	paxcoder	outsourcing is the problem of the global free market you supposedly advocate
23:06	mauvebic	i never said global
23:06	mauvebic	and i said fair trade
23:06	mauvebic	with countries that have roughly equal standards and pay
23:06	paxcoder	free = global
23:06	paxcoder	because it's cheaper
23:06	mauvebic	you can have a free market in your country without being a doormat to transnationals
23:06	paxcoder	if anything, i'm concerned for the modern slaves
23:07	mauvebic	and you no when wages rise enough in those countries, the transnat will find the next best deal
23:07	mauvebic	*know
23:07	paxcoder	indeed
23:07	paxcoder	and if
23:08	mauvebic	so throwing around terms like racism shows how distorted the debate has become
23:08	mauvebic	id rather support local businesses weather theyre run by chinese emigrants or crackers
23:09	mauvebic	but i wont do business with companies that ship all their jobs overseas
23:09	paxcoder	everyone does
23:09	mauvebic	naw most people go where its cheapest
23:09	paxcoder	and no, i wouldn't agree that i've unjustly called you out as a racist
23:09	mauvebic	when it comes to computers, i do too, but only because we dont make'em anymore
23:09	paxcoder	you just began to articulate
23:09	paxcoder	and note that outsourcing has nothing to do with your initial proposition
23:10	mauvebic	canada has had a reckless immigration policy since pierre trudeau, and his motives werent benevolent
23:10	mauvebic	it was to stifle the seperatist movement in my home province
23:10	mauvebic	by saying "canada isn't two cultures, its multicultural"
23:10	mauvebic	and were reaping the benefits of that today
23:11	paxcoder	it is multicultural
23:11	mauvebic	yeah well, we are seeing an increase in real racism in xenophobia from alot of people that dont know any better
23:11	paxcoder	you can't discard your neighbor once the job you consider to be above is done.
23:11	paxcoder	*too good for
23:12	mauvebic	neighbour? i moved out of my neighbourhood when a bunch of haitien thugs shot a dog to death in the neighbouring block
23:12	paxcoder	are you in a nice white neighborhood now?
23:12	mauvebic	for what possible reason? i cant comprehend
23:12	mauvebic	im in the sticks
23:13	mauvebic	where its quiet
23:13	mauvebic	and its not all white, but people know how to treat eachother here
23:13	mauvebic	we have immigrants theyre just not fresh-off-the-boat
23:14	paxcoder	so only the fresh ones are to blame for the world-wide economic crisis?
23:14	mauvebic	who said that?
23:15	mauvebic	the worldwide crisis started with banks lending to just about anybody and reselling those mortgages all around the world
23:15	paxcoder	you implied that (see iceland)
23:15	jordan4ibanez	WAT
23:15	mauvebic	i just dont buy the argument that we need more immigration because of labour shortages that do not exist
23:15	jordan4ibanez	how the hell did this guy get his texture pack on sphax's website
23:15	jordan4ibanez	http://bdcraft.net/download-bdcraft-texturepacks
23:15	paxcoder	<mauvebic> iceland had a shitload of emigration when their banks went under
23:15	mauvebic	icelanders left their country because finance jobs dried up
23:15	paxcoder	my bad, i thought jordan4ibanez asked about iceland
23:16	jordan4ibanez	That's going to get us a CRAZY amount of people in the minetest community
23:16	mauvebic	no, people left because things were bad there
23:16	mauvebic	but i wasn't talking about their immigrants, i was talking about their natives
23:16	paxcoder	mauvebic, you were talking about immigrants and the crisis
23:16	mauvebic	iceland has stricter immigration rules than we do
23:16	mauvebic	well i have alot of opinions on a lot of things
23:17	mauvebic	and i vote
23:17	paxcoder	some more racist than others
23:18	mauvebic	lol, now who's flip-flopping
23:18	paxcoder	mauvebic, look, i understand you don't necessarily automatically discriminate, and i'm not saying immigrants shouldn't integrate. But you can't blame them for the crisis.
23:18	jordan4ibanez	shouldn't you guys be in #offtopic
23:18	jordan4ibanez	or #defocus
23:18	jordan4ibanez	OR SOMETHING
23:18	mauvebic	i never said they were responsible for the crisis
23:18	mauvebic	<mauvebic> the worldwide crisis started with banks lending to just about anybody and reselling those mortgages all around the world
23:19	paxcoder	jordan4ibanez, we're discussing the bank mod
23:19	jordan4ibanez	then why the hell are you guys talking about racism
23:19	paxcoder	mauvebic, sure but you said that other thing first
23:19	PilzAdam	bye
23:19	mauvebic	in the present context though, its not helping our economy either, or our society at this point
23:19	mauvebic	your mixing jobs with the world finance crisis
23:20	mauvebic	and look at this way: at least we dont have ICE
23:20	Kacey	brb
23:20	mauvebic	though honestly, liberals have just as much their heads up their arses as rightwingnuts do
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23:22	paxcoder	jordan4ibanez, oh right, we started talking about licenses or something
23:22	jordan4ibanez	how do I do the texture path?
23:23	jordan4ibanez	I put in the correct texture path, but it didn't load the textures
23:23	paxcoder	jordan4ibanez, you might want to tag someone, the rest are probably ignoring blinking by now
23:24	jordan4ibanez	sfan5
23:24	jordan4ibanez	C:\Documents and Settings\Duke Nukem\Desktop\texturepack
23:24	jordan4ibanez	why am this are not the workign?
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23:27	jordan4ibanez	Damn
23:30	jordan4ibanez	I had to put it in the dir my command prompt defaulted to, and put the name of the folder as the texture dir
23:30	jordan4ibanez	what a pain in the buttoculars
23:34	paxcoder	who said something about fractals a minute ago?
23:34	Exio	proller
23:35	paxcoder	proller, what about them? map generation?
23:35	paxcoder	Exio, thx
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23:36	paxcoder	troller, timed out? what about fractals - are they used for map generation?
23:37	troller	yes
23:37	paxcoder	yay, that's what i suggested
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23:38	paxcoder	troller, but iirc someone told me the gen. was already deterministic. why fractals then?
23:38	troller	for fun
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23:38	paxcoder	what we really need is for MT to use the determinism and implement a diffing system
23:39	paxcoder	so as to store only the interventions into the environment
23:40	paxcoder	that can't be that difficult
23:41	paxcoder	even to retrofit to the existing, chunk-loading infrastructure
23:41	paxcoder	though obviously, sending only diffs would be ideal
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23:46	paxcoder	i guess nobody feels as enthusiastic about optimization as I do :-/
23:47	mauvebic	i love optimizing mods - if it can be done with fewer nodes and resources, im all for it lol
23:47	mauvebic	im not made of ram chips lol
23:47	paxcoder	this'd take more than a mod i reckon
23:47	mauvebic	talking about optimizing the mapgen?
23:48	paxcoder	yes
23:48	Exio	the block-loading i think
23:48	paxcoder	Exio, right
23:48	mauvebic	well, i think thanks to hmmm the emerge is already much faster than it was
23:48	paxcoder	also there should be some applied graph theory to determine the least amount of NULLs to store
23:48	paxcoder	(ie non-differing blocks)
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23:49	Exio	hi :P
23:50	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:50	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:50	Exio	VanessaE: ^ you said something for that
23:50	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:50	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:50	VanessaE	[04-10 19:46] <VanessaE> the problem is probably drawtime jitter.
23:51	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:51	VanessaE	the higher the jitter, the worse your apparent frame rate, even if the average is okay.
23:51	VanessaE	crackerenherbe: press F5.
23:51	VanessaE	see "dtime_jitter" ?
23:51	VanessaE	ideally this should be very low
23:52	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:52	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:52	VanessaE	the higher it goes, the worse the apparent frame rate.
23:52	VanessaE	nonono, dtime_jitter
23:52	VanessaE	right next to drawtime
23:52	paxcoder	hah, mine is never under 70%
23:52	paxcoder	was 200% for a sec
23:52	paxcoder	pwnsome
23:52	VanessaE	mine's vacillating between 10 and 20 and I'm just standing in one place doing nothing
23:53	VanessaE	%
23:53	paxcoder	i'm now standing and it's about 90%
23:53	paxcoder	i WIN
23:53	paxcoder	hahaha
23:53	Exio	mine is between 1% when doing nothing
23:53	Exio	and when moving with fast around it gets "spikes" of 7%
23:53	Exio	:D
23:54	crackerenherbe	[deleted]
23:54	* paxcoder	votes for Exio to be kicked
23:54	mauvebic	dont you guys have like, 3-4K nodes tho?
23:54	VanessaE	mine goes apeshit, all over the place from 5% to 200%, usually staying in the 40 to 50% range
23:54	paxcoder	mine only does elephant dung
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23:54	VanessaE	mauvebic: the number of defined nodes isn't going to affect your framerates unless you got all of them on screen at once maybe
23:56	Exio	i always play minimal and rarely minetest_game
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23:56	mauvebic	checkin' my jitter now
23:56	Exio	(as i don't even have minetest_game installed now)
23:56	mauvebic	between 75% and 94%
23:57	mauvebic	45% on idle
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