Time Nick Message 00:05 khonkhortisan I can't seem to get anything on the digiline lcd 00:05 kaeza wow... IRC mod is being used more lately 00:06 kaeza helped me find some nasty bugs 00:13 khonkhortisan luaC's print adds quotes around what is printed. Manually adding quotes adds escape chars: var = "hello" print(var): "hello" print('"'..var..'"'): "\"hello\"" 00:30 Kacey khonkhortisan, want a demonstration of lcds? 00:30 khonkhortisan YES 00:30 Kacey join mah server 00:30 khonkhortisan I can't get either the lcd or rtc to respond 00:31 khonkhortisan where is it again? 00:31 Kacey 67.162.156.91 port 30000 00:44 sapier1 hello, is there already something like a fractions mod? 00:44 rarkenin Fractions? Or factions? 00:44 sapier -r 00:44 kaeza fractions? 00:44 us_0gb Fractions are better. 00:45 PilzAdam bye 00:45 us_0gb Bye. 00:45 sapier :-) still what I wanna do is make guard mobs defend some place against "unwanted" or "evil" ppl 00:45 sapier therefore I need a way to decide who is bad and who not 00:46 us_0gb Windows users: bad. Everyone else: good. There's a nice dividing line for you. 00:47 VanessaE I wouldn't go quite that far :) 00:47 sapier I assume there's nothing like factions/guild support? 00:47 us_0gb I know, it's the operating system that is bad, not the user. 00:49 Kacey hey us_0gb i am a windows user 00:49 us_0gb I like that PilzAdam.shutdown() thing. I'd love to be able to have it say "0gb.us, away!" when I leave. 00:49 sapier windows os isn't that bad its design is quite progressive ... it's just often configured in a very bad way :-) 00:49 us_0gb My condolences, Kacey. The first step is to admit that Windows is a problem. 00:50 Kacey it isnt 00:50 Kacey linux can dostuff windows cant, but windows can also do stuff linux cant 00:50 sapier having seen what can be done to linux (ubuntu) ... I don't even think windows is that bad 00:50 us_0gb Windows security is almost non-existent, and Microsoft breaks almost every standard, both in Windows and everything else. That's no just a bad default configuration. 00:51 sapier but ubuntu yelling all your searches out to amazon is better ;-) 00:51 kaeza ORLY? 00:51 sapier I doubt linux would be any better if it'd been the way in focus of attackers windows is 00:51 us_0gb What can Windows do that Linux can't? Don't tell me software, that's caused by the fact that Windows is popular for no good reason. 00:52 Kacey hi ShadowNinja 00:52 kaeza us_0gb, Windows is popular because it was user-friendly from the start 00:52 us_0gb Linus security is better, it's not a matter of being less of a target. The less of a target excuse is a myth. 00:52 sapier it's able to move a file from screen 1 to screen 2 on a 3 screen environment ... which isn't possible with any linux for about 2 years now 00:53 us_0gb Windows is not very user friendly. 00:53 rarkenin Just imagine then vast server farms humming with Linux. Small market share? 00:53 ShadowNinja hi Kacey 00:53 us_0gb Okay. I guess Windows has one advantage then, if you have multiple screens. 00:53 rarkenin And yeah, its UI is slightly counter-intuitive. In 1995, users were confused about the fact that shutting down required clicking on a button labeled "start" 00:53 sapier and windows 3d support is way better ;-) 00:54 rarkenin No, I use Ubuntu with 4 monitors, and Blender. 00:54 rarkenin And I prefer it to Windows/ 00:54 kaeza brb 00:54 us_0gb 3D support is due to software, which is due to popularity. 00:54 sapier ubuntu is crap 00:54 Kacey i used to use xubuntu 00:54 us_0gb Ubuntu's default interface is crap, but Ubuntu isn't. 00:54 sapier it doesn't matter for what reason 3d support is better only the fact it is is relevant 00:55 us_0gb No, it's not, as without Windows, it wouldn't be an issue. 00:55 Exio ubuntu is crap, versus any real distro 00:55 us_0gb As people migrate (which is happening ever so slowly) it will become less and less an issue. 00:55 Exio if you want a distro what doesn't change every release just because "the new thing is more cool" 00:56 sapier even with kubuntu I haven't been able to get minetest working with latest ubuntu version that's been the final reason for dropping ubuntu 00:56 us_0gb Windows is crap compared to ANYTHING. 00:56 rarkenin It's harder to use Blender on a mac, though, since it doesn't have a true three-button mouse. 00:56 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xu95Nh_Nl0 pon pon, way way way~ 00:56 Tecan (1xu95Nh_Nl0) "PONPONPON (English Cover)【JubyPhonic P】" by "JubyPhonic P" is "Music" - Length: 0:04:03 00:56 us_0gb You can plug a three button mouse into a Mac, and all three buttons will work. 00:57 sapier are we talking about windows 7 or 8? 8 is crap too yes 00:57 NekoGloop how is 8 crap? 00:57 rarkenin Yeah. But you have to go look for a 3-button mouse first. 00:57 us_0gb All Windows. 8 included. 00:57 rarkenin I ended up getting one with 3 extra buttons, mapped to Ctl, Alt, and Shift. 00:57 sapier guys I do have 3 screens none of them touch I don't wanna use a touch interface 00:58 us_0gb You have to go look for a three button mouse for Windows or Linux too. 00:58 sapier I was already pissed about ubuntu using unity which is a single screen interface too 00:58 us_0gb The interface is interchangable. As I said, Ubuntu's default interface is crap. Ubuntu itself is not. 00:59 VanessaE fwiw, xubuntu 12.04 works great for minetest for me 00:59 sapier ubuntu without interface isn't much more than debian 00:59 us_0gb Then it's the same as Debian. THat doesn't make it crap. 00:59 sapier don't switch to 12.10 ;-) 01:00 us_0gb I didn't. I'm on 12.04, because it's the "super stable" version. 01:00 Exio LTS doesn't mean stable 01:00 Exio means more updates 01:00 us_0gb And I'm in the process of installing Debian itself. 01:00 us_0gb Okay. My bad. 01:00 sapier 12.04 was already bad for my setup 12.10 is unusable 01:01 NekoGloop sapier, you need not use a touch interface... get start menu 8 01:01 sapier if I don't want to use ubuntu interface there's no benefit of using ubuntu instead of debian 01:02 us_0gb Then don't. 01:02 NekoGloop inb4 "windows 8 with start button == windows 7" 01:02 Exio nah 01:02 sapier yes of course I can switch back and forward from touch interface(clicked by mouse) and remains of desktop ... not a very good interface imho 01:02 Exio windows 8 is like windows ME with unity 01:02 Exio :D 01:02 Kacey lol i kinda like windows 8 01:03 us_0gb I'm not saying Ubuntu is somehow better than Debian, or something. 01:03 Exio gentoo/debian > *, dwm/e17/kde > * [imo] 01:03 NekoGloop Start menu 8 gives windows 8 a start button (basically making it usable without ever entering the Metro interface) 01:03 sapier none of the last 4 ubuntu versions have been stable nor did they have any improovements 01:04 NekoGloop Start menu 8 also does not replace metro, you can still access metro. 01:04 Exio it was good in the 2008, early 2009 01:04 rarkenin Ubuntu Server+Minimal Xorg+Minimal window manager. 01:04 Exio why ubuntu then 01:04 us_0gb My CD drive burnt another invalid disc .... 01:04 sapier 12.04 did occasionaly freeze with xbmc and another 3d app running ... 12.10 wasn't even able to run any 3d app without crashing or behaving very strange :) 01:04 rarkenin Package manager, stubbornness, and inertia. 01:05 rarkenin I dodn;t have 3D problems. I reguarly play Minetest and render large scenes in Blender for people. Yes, I AM using my GPUs. 01:05 rarkenin *didn't 01:05 sapier so you're lucky the drivers work for your gpu 01:05 Exio package manager? emerge is better, and for installing the mininal xorg+wm you'd need to do stuff like in any distro 01:06 Exio i need(ed) to install the wireless driver for my laptop, always :P 01:06 sapier exio I wanna install a package not WAIT forever ;-) 01:06 Exio and using the closed nvidia driver here, too 01:06 rarkenin Well, it's a set of 4 nVidia 660ti's, 2 separate SLI pairs. 01:06 rarkenin Or whatever can pass for that. 01:06 Exio sapier: most of packages compile very fast, in my netbook 01:06 * us_0gb fetches 40 CDs 01:06 sapier I've a mixed mode setup onboard graphics with a gtx260 01:06 Exio and for stuff like xorg, or so, i keep the netbook one night 01:07 sapier one night <-> 1h .... 01:07 Exio the time here is 50% downloading stuff, 50% compiling for xorg 01:07 Exio i need to keep it the whole night anyway :P 01:07 Exio and it is a netbook... 01:07 sapier I once built linux from scratch for years ... until xserver split to thousands of packages 01:08 sapier that's been the time I decided not to compile whole system anymore 01:08 Exio my desktop compiles between 5 to 60 times faster compiling 01:08 Exio emerge makes the thing easy and fast, even if it may look as a PAIN 01:08 Exio it is a tradeoff 01:08 Exio very customized system with the stuff what you exactly want, rolling release and stable 01:08 sapier I do have about 10 virtual machines that would have to compile same thing ... not quite effective 01:09 Exio with a very powerful package manager 01:09 Exio sapier: you would not compile it 01:09 Exio more than one time if you do the things right 01:09 sapier so how to move result from one machine to another? 01:10 Exio when i need to do that i just make binary packages of them 01:10 Exio and then share it 01:10 sapier way to much work 01:10 Exio what cpu do you have? 01:10 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix build on Linux with older glibcs 963f912040 2013-03-29T18:09:13-07:00 http://git.io/TURlmA 01:11 sapier phenom x4 01:12 Exio i'd say the same performance 01:12 Exio bulldozer x6 6100 01:12 Exio at 3.3ghz actually, didn't overclock the cpu 01:13 sapier still 1 night is way to much imho 01:13 Exio it is a netbook 01:13 sapier and I was tired of finding out why this driver isn't working with that glibc and those gcc version 01:13 Exio (where i did the stuff) 01:13 Exio the thing what would take a night here would be download X11 01:15 sapier I don't think so download would be quite fast but if I need to setup a new machine I want it done quick not a 2 day project 01:15 NekoGloop http://youtu.be/1xu95Nh_Nl0?t=2m6s wut am i doing 01:15 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix build on Linux with some glibcs 6cf581e360 2013-03-29T18:12:14-07:00 http://git.io/j-c0mQ 01:15 Exio sapier: it was 2 days in a netbook with a 256kbps network 01:15 sapier and obviously adding new packages requires lots of time 01:15 Exio with kde3 and compiled too 01:15 Exio in 2 days, you think the rest 01:15 sapier I remember how long firefox took to compile ... I doubt it's faster 01:16 Exio firefox-bin 01:16 Exio those packages what are useless to compile have their own -bin package 01:16 Exio in the official tree 01:16 Exio like libreoffice, firefox 01:16 sapier so no benefit of compiling if you skip those applications used most 01:16 Exio (i use those in the netbook, because i don't want to be an entire week compiling it) 01:17 Exio i use libreoffice rarely and firefox is actually pretty fast in the netbook, and for what i have read compiling it doesn't make it "faster" and so 01:17 sapier and firefox really gains lot of performance by compiled for exact architectire 01:17 Exio does it? 01:17 Exio hm 01:17 sapier firefox is fast? ... not quite 01:17 NekoGloop WAT 01:17 Exio versus chrome in a low-ram compute 01:17 Exio r 01:18 Exio if you see chrome fast when you don't have 4 or 8 gb of ram 01:18 sapier at least 10 years ago it was like overclocking by 100% 01:18 Exio ? 01:18 sapier I want a fast version of eclipse ;-) 01:18 Exio what do you mean with "it was like overclocking by 100%"? 01:19 sapier 800mhz vs 1.6 ghz cpu ;-) 01:19 NekoGloop Exio, Yes. On my 1GB computer, which was also running an MC server at the time which sucks up about 500MB ram 01:19 Exio NekoGloop: what the heck 01:19 NekoGloop =w= 01:19 NekoGloop I'm just a badass like that i guess 01:20 Exio sapier: my amd duron (2001~900mhz) works very well versus my intel atom outside graphic stuff 01:20 sapier by the way eclipse is another usecase where windows is way better than linux ... windows version isn't fast either but you don't have to restart it every half an hour because of running slow motion only 01:20 Exio and it is not overclocked! the only thing what are faster in the intel atoms 01:20 Exio are things what need/use sse2, and so on 01:21 Exio s/atoms/atom/ 01:21 sapier as I said it's comfort only I simply don't wanna wait for a package to compile when I want to USE it 01:21 Exio it is a tradeoff 01:22 Exio some people wants the general stuff working, other people wants the stuff in the way they "want" it 01:22 Exio i don't see why i should have installed pulseaudio depends when i don't use them 01:22 Exio or why i should have some ati glx "patch" when i don't have any ati gpu 01:22 sapier you know i "want" it working and "instantly" ;-) 01:23 Exio what is your internet speed? 01:23 sapier 6mbit downstream 01:23 Exio 256kbps, as i said before, is my main network 01:23 kaeza us_0gb, use Win98SE. It's the most stable version to thisday IMHO 01:23 sapier that's a very strong reason of course 01:24 Exio i already need to wait between 4 to 7 hours for downloading the packages 01:24 sapier w2k was very stable too 01:24 Exio maybe 2 hours if nobody uses it 01:26 sapier I used w2k I don't remember it to crash very often ... at least it was way better than any of the dos based windows systems befroe 01:27 us_0gb kaeza, Why use an outdated version of Windows, when I can use an up-to-date version of non-Windows, and it will run better? 01:27 rarkenin Always remember flying! :) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tensionnot.com%2Fjokes%2Foperating_systems_and_airlines&ei=jj9WUbTKOcSwyQHXy4HgDA&usg=AFQjCNFTuTJQay8cCd0b476YOn79Uo99Sw&sig2=5qPRY6PX2aLStjMKbD7NIg&bvm=bv.44442042,d.aWc 01:28 rarkenin Oops, Google obusficated the link. 01:54 hmmmm yo dawg i heard you liked templates 01:54 hmmmm so i made std::map>> m_item_groups; 01:55 VanessaE o.O 01:55 Exio that seems too functional 01:55 VanessaE and this, folks, is why I just don't "get" C++ most of the time. 01:56 NekoGloop I'm sure you got that C++ joke though. 01:56 * Exio throws objects at VanessaE 01:56 hmmmm it's a mapping of item group names to lists of pairings of content_ts to their group values 01:56 kaeza that's why I don't use C++ at all 01:56 kaeza readability of C++ sources can be horrible 01:56 Exio C++ 01:57 hmmmm haha, no, i'm going to put in a typedef :) 01:57 NekoGloop C++ looks like it's a decorative sword 01:57 Exio wth? 01:57 NekoGloop or some odd kind of katar 01:58 kaeza I prefer old-fashioned structs and pointers of C :) 01:58 hmmmm it looks like it's full of STDs 01:58 VanessaE well then get vaccinated before you catch something :D 01:58 Exio function pointers kaeza function pointers! 01:59 NekoGloop Heh, yes, hmmmm, it is a tad of a rusty blade. 01:59 Exio i'm rewriting an old project what i wrote without following any standard 01:59 Exio C is awesome 01:59 * kaeza highfives Exio 02:00 sapier wait lets skip any type checking and use only void* pointers 02:00 NekoGloop no 02:00 NekoGloop let's use only ifs and exits to write the code. 02:01 Exio that is cobol 02:01 Exio sapier: weak typing is awesome in someway 02:01 sapier problem with c/c++ is that everything is still allwed ... even goto 02:01 khonkhortisan that's why I couldn't quickly find an if exit 02:01 Exio C = cute ASM 02:02 sapier maybe but even skilled programmers sometimes get types wrong and have to wast lots of hours to find the bug 02:02 kaeza Exio, goto is not bad; it has it's place 02:02 khonkhortisan its 02:02 Exio say that to sapier 02:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: because NekoGloop used them all up :) 02:02 sapier goto is assembler 02:02 Exio and yes, sometimes a goto is better than 1337stuff 02:02 khonkhortisan exit is also basic 02:02 * khonkhortisan uses the word its' 02:03 NekoGloop It's elementary, khonkhortisan 02:03 khonkhortisan the equivalent to break? 02:03 sapier goto just gets compiler into trouble as it's very difficult to optimize 02:03 Exio everything what gets abussed is bad 02:03 sapier you force compiler to generate code YOU think is good .. most time compiler knows better than you do 02:03 Exio and goto is the thing what is gets abussed "commonly" 02:04 VanessaE ah gone are the days when you'd write things in assembly and optimize by hand 02:04 kaeza sapier, "optimize only when it actually matters" -- Michael Abrash 02:04 VanessaE (of course, gone are the days when that was needed, too) 02:04 khonkhortisan Does anyone use switch case without break? 02:04 sapier believe me compiler code optimization is very good 02:05 kaeza sapier, I doubt UI or startup/cleanup code needs any kind of optimization 02:05 sapier you need to do work to disable optimization for thise cases where you don't need the benefit so its double waste of time ;-) 02:05 VanessaE sapier: I'm sure it is, don't get me wrong. 02:06 kaeza khonkhortisan, I do 02:06 kaeza re: use case without break 02:06 Exio sapier: GOTO alone is not bad 02:06 VanessaE but I grew up in an era when you had to shave off every cycle you could, and shave off every byte you could, anywhere you could 02:06 Exio if you abuse it, is makes the program hard to optimize and so on 02:06 Exio if not, it doesn't 02:07 khonkhortisan I wrote a chess game in ti-basic (for a calculator) and used goto only because the screen was really small and I didn't want to restructure my code 02:07 NekoGloop VanessaE, ironic that now your code is horribad :3 02:07 VanessaE hey now, there's nothing wrong with my code 02:07 NekoGloop :3 02:07 sapier occassions where goto might be at least as good as any other solutions are very rare while situtations where goto is abused are much more common 02:07 Exio the use of goto is: 02:07 Exio 99.99% useless 02:07 kaeza sapier, then blame the programmer, not the keyword :) 02:07 khonkhortisan When I write if elseif else end, I put four spaces in front of the if :P 02:08 Exio kaeza +1 02:09 Exio in any case, lemme search for something 02:09 sapier I don't have time to write kaeza exio nekogloop hmmm vanessae .... don't programm that case with this solution .... "Don't use goto" is just short and true for almost all cases 02:09 khonkhortisan How I indent https://github.com/khonkhortisan/rubiks/blob/master/init.lua#L315 02:10 mauvebic goto? i thought that was settled a month ago :p 02:10 sapier me to but someone started it again ;-) 02:11 mauvebic last time i used goto i was 7 or 8 lol 02:11 NekoGloop I was 6 02:11 sapier the worst goto I've seen tha last weeks was a goto in a switch case jumping to the end of the switch case .... 02:11 khonkhortisan I was older than that 02:11 kaeza sapier, this is a case where goto makes sense: https://github.com/kaeza/cosmorpg/blob/master/src/maplib/file.c#L90 02:11 khonkhortisan haha 02:11 NekoGloop I also had fixed a printer after the tech guy was stumped 02:12 kaeza sapier, note: ERROR() calls goto 02:12 Exio http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GoTo 02:12 NekoGloop Which either tells you that the techie is an idiot or I was smart. 02:12 khonkhortisan absolutely no understanding of how a switch case works 02:12 mauvebic i still remember reading a bunch of books in the 90's that said to avoid gotos (oddly enough, php still added them) 02:12 sapier this is try catch 02:12 khonkhortisan Exio, I like the quote at the top 02:13 Exio hehe 02:16 mauvebic im not such a fan of php today but back then it was php/perl or asp lol 02:16 sapier kaeza I know the goto seans to be reasonable in your case but we do have a c++ compiler and can use exceptions ;-) 02:18 sapier and why are you using TRUE and FALSE? is this code supposed to be compiled c only? 02:18 kaeza sapier, file.c? 02:19 kaeza ...I don't use C++ at all 02:19 sapier ok so you mean yes :-) ... I don't give much to filenames as they are often wrong 02:20 sapier ok so you're using a language 30 years old ... ok upon that time goto was a reasonable ;-) 02:20 mauvebic i dont see where age comes into it 02:20 sapier even gcc is c++ only today ;-) 02:20 kaeza gcc enforces that a C source file has .c extension; C++ source files must have cpp or cxx iirc 02:20 mauvebic assembly wasnt invented yesterday either 02:21 kaeza gcc supports some features of C++ in C as an extension :) 02:21 mauvebic and ive seen C & Java fall in and out a favour a few times lol 02:22 sapier different versions of compilers do different things ... still minetest is c++ so there's no good reason to give unskilled programmers examples to abuse ... it's always the worst code to be copied as an example ;-) 02:24 kaeza (of which I use none)https://github.com/kaeza/cosmorpg/blob/master/src/maplib/file.c#L90 02:25 kaeza fuck 02:25 kaeza keyboard fail 02:25 sapier wow I just managed to compile freeorion within linux ... a task I wasn't able to complete for years now :-) 02:25 kaeza sapier we were discussing the use of goto in general, not only in MT :) 02:26 kaeza anyway, fair enough. goto is bad practice in C++ 02:26 kaeza (you have exceptions for that) 02:26 khonkhortisan it looks a little like naev 02:26 sapier I'm talking mainly with c++ in focus ... you can't be right if you talk in general as there's always an exception to any rule 02:27 sapier c++/minetest 02:27 sapier there might be even reasons to use scheme instead of c++ in some cases ;-) 02:27 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xu95Nh_Nl0 02:27 NekoGloop LETS PON ALL DAY, FUCK YEAH 02:29 kaeza NekoGloop, no 02:29 kaeza this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJfJM_Htvk :3 02:29 Tecan (gZJfJM_Htvk) "10 Hours - HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA (with giveaway!)Full Version WHATS UP Whats going on LYRICS He Man" by "Patrick Adair" is "Comedy" - Length: 10:00:01 02:29 NekoGloop lol 02:29 NekoGloop dat bot 02:29 kaeza thanks Tecan >:( 02:32 kaeza sapier, saying that goto is bad is "talking in general" :) 02:33 sapier no it's spoken within minetest channel so there's a context around it ;-P 02:33 Exio you said c/c++ 02:33 Exio when you talk-ed about goto and started this 02:36 sapier yes that everything is still allowed ;-) as c++ is most recent "development branch" of this language family I expected the goto problem being interpreted to CURRENT language not some decade old versions ;-) 02:37 sapier assembler is still valid and it's used for some special cases still I wouldn't recommend rewriting minetest in assembler ;-) 02:37 NekoGloop YES 02:37 NekoGloop DO EET 02:38 Kacey VanessaE, are you around? 02:38 Exio goto is not something old 02:38 VanessaE what's up? 02:38 Exio it is something for a low-level language, what C is 02:38 Exio C is ASM with a cute syntax and easy to read 02:39 NekoGloop C++ is a rusty spiky sword 02:39 Exio (versus ASM) 02:39 Kacey i am wanting (and probably going to) make an obsidian pipe and a diamond pipe 02:39 sapier c++ is "just" syntax cleanup to C + preprocessor :-) 02:39 Kacey and maybe stone and cobble 02:40 VanessaE purpose of same? 02:40 kaeza sapier, as I said, goto has it's uses. You wouldn't remove data types like 'short' because they are inefficient or hcakcy or whatever 02:40 khonkhortisan (its) 02:40 kaeza hacky* 02:40 sapier short is already removed for most architectures 02:41 VanessaE Kacey: what would be the purpose? 02:41 Kacey the stone and cobble pipes wouldnt connect to eachother, but rather to other pipes 02:41 Kacey (such as stone wouldnt connect to cobble and vice versa) 02:41 Kacey and diamond would be like mese tube and accelerator tube 02:42 Kacey and obsidian would be sand and accelerator 02:42 VanessaE but what would be the purpose? 02:42 Kacey for more complex sorting systems 02:43 Kacey (gold filter is an idea i had but i am not going to make it) 02:44 NekoGloop VanessaE, super sorting systems 02:44 VanessaE wel afaict the sorting system is pretty well setup already 02:45 NekoGloop if we make like mining quarries and shit then we'll want better pipes 02:45 NekoGloop Though we'd need a filter, Kacey. 02:45 VanessaE one thing that is needed is tubes that conduct mesecons signals. 02:45 Kacey will do^ 02:45 NekoGloop mese tubes 02:45 VanessaE NekoGloop: there already is a sorting tube, color-coded. 02:45 Kacey that filter was a rediculous idea 02:45 Kacey ridiculous* 02:46 NekoGloop lol you guys are copying buildcraft so hard 02:46 Kacey no my filter idea would kill buildcraft 02:47 VanessaE firstly, I am not "copying" anything - I wrote pipeworks with no prior knowledge of minecraft stuff. Secondly, Nore added most of the functional tube stuff, not me. 02:47 Kacey gold (or maybe diamond because of what it does) filters would completely empty the adjacent inventory (and maybe have a setting of which items to pull) 02:47 VanessaE and third, what's wrong with porting MC stuff over to MT if it makes sense to do so? 02:47 khonkhortisan There's no way to empty a chest using pipes? 02:47 NekoGloop Buildcraft is FOSS. You're fine >.> 02:48 Kacey there is a way to do it, just not with only 1 mesecon signal 02:48 NekoGloop khonkhortisan, prolly not because they're being stoopid :3 02:49 VanessaE Kacey: make a set of mesecon tubes first. 02:49 khonkhortisan ooh finite liquid in the settings 02:49 VanessaE that's what we need most right now 02:49 Kacey alright 02:49 khonkhortisan mesecon tubes for mining machines 02:50 VanessaE the other stuff, we'll talk about more later. 02:50 VanessaE khonkhortisan: yes. RealBadAngel suggested it a while back, but I wasn't most up to coding at the tim,e 02:50 VanessaE time* 02:50 khonkhortisan should just be a node definition 02:51 VanessaE khonkhortisan: more than one - 64 of them. 02:51 Kacey Mesecon Pneumatic Tube Segment is already a node... 02:51 VanessaE eh? when was that added? 02:51 khonkhortisan I expect the new facedir to be contagious 02:51 * VanessaE looks at the commit log 02:52 Kacey oops detector is what i was thinking of lol 02:52 VanessaE oh ok 02:52 VanessaE yeah, not the same thing :-) 02:52 VanessaE these just need to be plain conductors 02:53 Kacey im working on it 02:54 khonkhortisan Why do rtc and lcd (digilines) assume the channel is a string? 02:58 Kacey this is going to be a project 02:59 Kacey might just make another file for mesecons.lua i guess 02:59 VanessaE heh 02:59 khonkhortisan ick, luaC text box isn't monospace 02:59 VanessaE remember it has to be soft dependency 03:00 Kacey ? 03:00 Kacey how do i make a soft depend? 03:00 Exio optional dependency 03:00 VanessaE it can't depend on mesecons, it needs to detect it. 03:00 khonkhortisan Technic should work without mesecons, mesecons should work without technic 03:00 khonkhortisan Or pipeworks, rather. 03:01 VanessaE if mesecons doesn't exist, it must not try to define the mesecons-dependent items 03:01 VanessaE otherwise it'll crash 03:01 khonkhortisan But isn't mesecons compatibility done with a table now? 03:01 Kacey ooh so do what VanessaE did with the "if io.open..." stuff? 03:01 VanessaE yeah basically. 03:01 VanessaE you have to check for the presence of the mod in a directory you know for a fact minetest will load 03:02 NekoGloop In a discussion about the wierdness of java filenames: Java Upper Intelligence Central Executable. 03:02 NekoGloop It's a .juice file! :D 03:02 VanessaE something like: if (minetest.get_modpath("mesecons")) then ...define mesecons related stuff... end 03:02 VanessaE (it'll return nil if there's no such modpath) 03:03 VanessaE that's probably the wrong syntax/function name but you get the point. 03:03 Kacey im just copying the technic one 03:03 VanessaE show me the code you're using 03:04 Kacey if io.open(minetest.get_modpath("pipeworks").."/../mesecons/init.lua", "r") == nil then 03:04 Kacey just one line so far... 03:05 VanessaE that'll work too 03:05 VanessaE but really, you don't need to do the i/o open stuff, you should be able to get away with the get_modpath() call 03:05 Kacey no wait we need to find mesecons... 03:05 Kacey so if it is not nil 03:05 Kacey what do i put? 03:06 VanessaE if minetest.get_modpath("mesecons") then ...define mesecons related stuff... end 03:07 Kacey k 03:09 Kacey mesecon = 2 03:09 Kacey what does that mean? 03:10 khonkhortisan I think that's an old group 03:11 Kacey have you tested the detector tubes with the new mesecon api? 03:13 VanessaE I've never used them myself, but both pipeworks and mesecons are up-to-date on my server 03:13 VanessaE and so far it hasn't crashed from that :-) 03:15 Kacey no dice... 03:15 Kacey the detector tube does not send a signal 03:16 Kacey nvm 03:17 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#UwFuVnQt 03:17 VanessaE oh THAT is just cheating! 03:18 NekoGloop No, that's how you're supposed to do it 03:19 Kacey GET A FORKLIFT!!!!!!! 03:19 VanessaE Kacey: more like a heavy-duty crane 03:19 khonkhortisan I feel like it should high-center on the back 03:19 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#VA2jfi8J 03:19 VanessaE no forklift I've ever driven could load that 03:20 khonkhortisan I see countries don't respect copyright 03:24 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#QciWRA9J Pizza roulette 03:25 VanessaE One does not simply assert copyright on iFunny. 03:26 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#D6dTvZcR 03:26 khonkhortisan I call the two last slices 03:26 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#uR3BW5Dp 03:29 Kacey http://pastebin.com/Fne6GCku 03:29 khonkhortisan I don't get the joke about the separator 03:30 kaeza VanessaE, http://ifunny.mobi/#HHWKab8J 03:30 khonkhortisan that's about the right size :) 03:30 khonkhortisan oh. Volume 1. 03:30 VanessaE Kacey: I'd need to see the code in question, I can't tell from that 03:30 Kacey http://pastebin.com/5B6SyRpR 03:31 VanessaE kaeza: :P 03:31 VanessaE line 47. 03:31 VanessaE you've got too many closing } 03:31 VanessaE maybe move the last }) to just after line 48 03:32 VanessaE I think 03:32 VanessaE yeah 03:33 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#KzHaKd8J <3 03:33 khonkhortisan You can put a function right into the node definition? 03:33 VanessaE awww 03:33 khonkhortisan register_tube is right between on_construct and groups 03:33 NekoGloop Also, that image is incorrect 03:33 NekoGloop VanessaE, it should say "purrfect match <3" Typos everywhere. 03:35 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#0maVQzzn 03:38 khonkhortisan mid-race 03:39 Kacey http://pastebin.com/BbmhZ2Bq 03:39 khonkhortisan The greater than 0 needs a newline 03:39 Kacey ? 03:40 khonkhortisan clust_num_oresmust be greater than 0========== ERROR FROM LUA =========== 03:40 Kacey that is just a random fail in the debug 03:45 Kacey https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/pipeworks here is what i have so far 03:45 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#nxnOAJyp mindfuck 03:46 VanessaE WHOA 03:47 VanessaE now my brain is bleeding 03:47 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#Bi9Y3Pqh holy shit... 03:47 VanessaE now THAT guy has too much time on his hands 03:49 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#YQIOub8J 03:52 khonkhortisan I haven't seen that optical illusion before, but there are others that move 03:53 Guest92802 oops, it didn't put my name in. 1 sec 03:53 khonkhortisan Eli? 03:53 Guest92802 yeah, Doyousketch2 03:53 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#D92C7j8J 03:53 khonkhortisan You joined as Eli then changed to Guest 03:54 Guest92802 I didn't change it 03:54 Guest92802 must be buggy on this XChat version or something 03:54 khonkhortisan that last one has already been posted here 03:56 khonkhortisan images.lmgtfy.com/?q=moving+optical+illusion 03:56 Sketch2 k, think it's doing ok now 04:02 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#ME8mIw6P 04:13 Sketch2 pondering this compile thing. gonna look at the forum for a few and see how they do it for windows and Macs 04:16 khonkhortisan Candidate for default_water_animated.png: http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/5639/2020/1600/7340/murasakiimojpg.jpg 04:16 VanessaE whoa 04:16 kaeza khonkhortisan, lol 04:27 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#D7AYqKUV 04:28 VanessaE I'm starting to run out of stuff to see on iFunny 04:28 VanessaE (I've gone through most of it it seems like) 04:28 khonkhortisan 3d rice http://cdn.dottech.org/media/2013/01/optical_illusion_rotating.jpg 04:30 kaeza related: http://ifunny.mobi/#X1ovBmgq 04:31 NekoGloop dat texture pack 04:31 NekoGloop dem shaders 04:31 NekoGloop so realistic 04:31 VanessaE heh 04:32 VanessaE ^^^^ what HD could look like if textures could tile over several blocks at once :-) 04:32 VanessaE HDX* 04:32 Kacey ? 04:32 VanessaE Kacey: http://ifunny.mobi/#X1ovBmgq 04:34 kaeza WIN http://ifunny.mobi/#XpXG6tYs 04:36 VanessaE WIN! 04:38 khonkhortisan clueless teacher :) 04:38 tripod clueLESS teacher! 04:38 VanessaE haha 04:38 khonkhortisan ? 04:39 VanessaE if the kid was REALLY brave he would have drawn it really nicely, colored it in, etc :-) 04:39 NekoGloop no 04:39 NekoGloop if he was brave, he'd have taped a screenshot to the paper 04:39 khonkhortisan but that gives the teacher a reason to believe it's not just a random doodle 04:40 VanessaE no, we're all wrong 04:40 NekoGloop Of course. 04:40 NekoGloop it's the answer, khon, not just a random doodle 04:41 VanessaE if he were REALLY brave, he'd have printed a QR code leading to a youtube video of the act of crafting a door :-) 04:41 NekoGloop nonono 04:41 NekoGloop he would have DREW the QR code 04:42 VanessaE hah 04:46 kaeza If he were brave, he would print a gif showing how to craft a door 04:46 kaeza :trollface: 04:46 NekoGloop he'd invent the gif printer 04:47 NekoGloop or, if you don't wanna be technical, the harry potter paper 04:47 khonkhortisan I tried to learn qr, but I stopped at the version number and error checking 05:01 Sketch2 wish my brain had a reset button 05:01 VanessaE well, it kinda does.. 05:01 Sketch2 it's like, you wade through all of this crud trying to troubleshoot 05:02 VanessaE but it tends to be expensive, and you lose too much of your history in the process 05:02 VanessaE I wish we had neuralyzers. 05:02 Sketch2 and when you finally get past one spot of difficulty, you feel to bogged down to proceed 05:03 Sketch2 guess sleep kinda helps, but you lose the momentum 05:03 Sketch2 it's just hard to keep trudging on after your mind is so full of what you WERE trying to solve 05:05 kaeza Am I'm doing something wrong here? http://pastebin.com/aN1VRNLS <-- The button[...] is shown as a label instead 05:08 Sketch2 kaeza, I'd help if I knew what it went to. what src file does that go into? what button does it tweak? 05:10 kaeza actually, this is what I get https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202013-03-30%2002%3A09%3A07.jpg 05:10 VanessaE Foo! 05:10 jordan4ibanez Finally 05:10 jordan4ibanez I have totally optimized surface generation for random plants or nodes 05:11 jordan4ibanez with a random percentage 05:11 NekoGloop Bar! 05:11 Sketch2 I think it's 'cuz you're following your lines with .. 05:12 kaeza Sketch2, that's the concat operator 05:12 kaeza "Foo".."Bar" == "FooBar" 05:13 kaeza jordan: remove the -ND part of your license and you'll get everyone's attention :) 05:13 Sketch2 right, sort of a run on sentance 05:14 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7168834/text?key=nkvwsdxmzqs2lzgb623g 05:14 jordan4ibanez Please try it. 05:14 jordan4ibanez Tell me what you guys think. 05:14 Sketch2 but, those are supposed to be seperate items 05:15 Sketch2 try it without 'em 05:15 kaeza derp... I was missing the 'Label' part of textarea[] 05:16 kaeza the formspec parser needs some sanity checks I guess 05:17 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#GqzHp8OV 05:17 jordan4ibanez Anyone? 05:17 Sketch2 k, that's cool. it doing what you set out to do now? 05:18 Sketch2 I clicked it, but browser's bein' stupid 05:19 NekoGloop "herp".."derp" ~= "herpderp" 05:20 Sketch2 wow, so jordan, flowers with thickness? 05:21 jordan4ibanez Yes 05:21 jordan4ibanez any node, you can have as many nodes as you want in the table 05:21 jordan4ibanez even with the percentage up to 100% it still generates very fast 05:22 Sketch2 it just takes a flat texture and extrudes it in 1 direction? 05:23 jordan4ibanez What? No, it finds the surface of the map, and generates it upon that surface 05:23 kaeza ok, now to set the metadata of an item... stack.set_metadata is nil 05:23 kaeza do I use stack.metadata? 05:24 Sketch2 oh, so are they still 2 flat pix turned at a 90* 05:24 jordan4ibanez Or finds the surface of the node you want it to generate on. If it is not found within the mapchunk, the search is cancelled 05:24 NekoGloop headphones: THE PART OF YOUR HEAD COVERED BY THEM ITCHES LIKE MAD 05:25 kaeza lol nope *crash* 05:26 Sketch2 k. guess I was thinking something else. that would be cool tho. think the 3D hand does that 05:30 kaeza success! 05:30 kaeza I can write into books harharhar 05:31 Sketch2 cool, wanted to do that so we could write notes to other players 05:33 kaeza here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/bookex.zip 05:33 kaeza have fun :) 05:35 Sketch2 I'll check it in a min. gonna check some settings on the laptop before I forget. 05:35 Sketch2 dunno how to set AFK on this thing. - is AFK 05:41 VanessaE most folks just change their nick 05:41 VanessaE /nick Sketch|AFK or similar 05:55 kaeza Am I the only one who actually uses /away? 05:59 Lynxx maybe... 06:06 khonkhortisan I only see /away if I unsquish the userlist 06:07 Kacey alt+a works for me 06:10 Sketch2 k, it's been a good 10 years or so since I've actually chatted up on the IRC, so I'm outta practice 06:11 Sketch2 had to tweak the firewall so my kid can't log in through other PC's 06:12 Sketch2 found out he was hopping on other servers with the laptop 06:14 Kacey im off to bed 06:30 Sketch2 be back in a few. really not diggin' Gnome 3. gonna see if fallback mode is any better 06:33 Sketch2 little bit better, at least I have a task switcher 07:12 us_0gb It seems Debian Empathy is nicer than Ubuntu Empathy. I would have thought the reverse was true. 07:27 markveidemanis whats wrong with this: s.send("PRIVMSG "+"nickserv"+" "+"identify"+" "+user+" "+password+"\n") 07:28 VanessaE + 07:28 VanessaE you need .. not + if that's supposed to be Lua 07:28 kaeza python 07:28 VanessaE nevermind whether s.send() is a valid call 07:29 markveidemanis s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM) 07:29 VanessaE ok in that case, your quotes are nested wrong 07:29 VanessaE why is nickserv in quotes? 07:29 VanessaE or rather, why is it quoted separately? 07:30 markveidemanis Thats the text to send to the IRC server 07:30 VanessaE and why isn't there a space after "identify"? 07:30 VanessaE well then write it as s.send("PRIVMSG nickserv identify "+user+" "+password+"\n") 07:30 markveidemanis s.send("PRIVMSG "+"nickserv"+" identify "+user+" "+password+"\n") 07:30 VanessaE no 07:30 VanessaE s.send("PRIVMSG nickserv identify "+user+" "+password+"\n") 07:31 markveidemanis ah, k 07:31 VanessaE don't requote each individual word 07:31 VanessaE (and I missed the missing space because of my client's word wrap) 07:31 markveidemanis !part #minetest 07:31 markveidemanis huh? 07:31 VanessaE nevermind 07:31 markveidemanis missed missing space lol 07:32 markveidemanis lol the bot was here all along 07:33 kaeza s!partaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 07:34 VanessaE markveidemanis: I believe you were told not to test your bot here 07:34 markveidemanis i did not test it, it was recording 07:34 VanessaE you were still testing it by having it in here at all. 07:34 markveidemanis ok 07:35 markveidemanis well who wants to test it with me on my channel 07:35 VanessaE go to a testing IRC channel then 07:38 Sketch2 us_0gb - yeah, I'm diggin' Debian more than other distros too 07:38 kaeza hello sfan 07:38 VanessaE you should be diggin' dirt and stone and... other 1m cubed stuff ;) 07:39 Sketch2 lols. will do plenty of. been contemplating making minetest more universal 07:39 Sketch2 so others can join in 07:39 sfan5 good mornin' 07:40 Sketch2 trying to make it into a web-app, but compiling the thing is road-block after road-block 07:40 VanessaE oh G*d no 07:40 VanessaE not another web app 07:40 Sketch2 gettin' further tho 07:40 VanessaE it already runs on every major platform 07:40 markveidemanis whats the public server list 07:40 markveidemanis Can i get my server added? 07:40 Sketch2 yeah, but this way you can just fire up your Firefox browser and play 07:40 VanessaE servers.minetest.net 07:41 kaeza VanessaE, what do you have against apps like CastleVi... nevermind :P 07:41 Sketch2 lols 07:41 Sketch2 I totally agree on that point, but there's a ton of people out there that do 'em 07:41 VanessaE My server, clients, max= 0/100, 4 :forever alone: 07:41 Sketch2 so this way they won't sit there and go "how do I install it??" 07:42 Sketch2 everyone in here could 'prolly install it in their sleep, but there's a lotta ding-dongs out there that couldn't install notepad if their life depended on it 07:43 kaeza Sketch2, I made a Windows installer using Inno Setup a while ago, maybe you can do something with the script 07:44 kaeza but then there are those that complain "no way minetest must be hard to install blah blah blah" 07:44 Sketch2 I'll look into it. it's posted on the forums under kaeza? 07:44 kaeza yep 07:44 Sketch2 k, ty 07:45 kaeza it needs a bit of modification with the new 'common' stuff 07:45 Sketch2 I think the problem comes from trying to make the dll's generic 07:45 sfan5 wow! my complete automated building folder is (including all windows packages needed) 257 mb big 07:45 Sketch2 it's looking for system specific ones 07:46 Sketch2 maybe not so much that the libraries are system-specific, but their locations are 08:13 markveidemanis sfan5 or kaeza 08:14 sfan5 ? 08:14 markveidemanis Help with my bot plz 08:14 kaeza →#python pls 08:14 sfan5 tip: read the irc specification and learn python 08:14 markveidemanis I use if IN message, how do i assign a function to check if the message starts with "!" then make that a command 08:15 sfan5 →#python pls 08:15 sfan5 and I've already said it: LEARN PYTHON 08:15 sfan5 completly not partly 08:16 * VanessaE wanders off to bed. 08:16 VanessaE night 08:16 kaeza night V 08:16 us_0gb Good night. 08:21 markveidemanis us_0gb, plz help to test the bot now, i spent some time coding more commands 08:22 markveidemanis && i got it a cloak 08:24 us_0gb Okay. How do I test? 08:27 markveidemanis go to #mtmt and i will tell you the commands 08:50 Sketch2 hu8 08:52 Sketch2 srry, kid spilled pop on keyboard. had cleaned it with simple green, but that messed it up even worse :( 09:00 bas080 Why does the default not have mods? 09:00 bas080 09:59:56: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Required common mods "default", "bucket", "creative", "doors", "dye", "fire", "stairs", "vessels", "wool" could not be found. 09:05 us_0gb By the way, that isn't me. 09:06 markveidemanis i dont see why you dont like that nick :D 09:06 RealBadAngel hi all 09:06 markveidemanis I see the origin 09:06 us_0gb Why I don't like what nick? 09:06 us_0gb I don't mind it, as long as people know it isn't me. 09:07 us_0gb Anyway, I'm going to bed. Good night. 09:19 kaeza bas080, they were moved to 'common' 09:19 kaeza bas080, https://github.com/minetest/common 09:20 bas080 Nice! 09:21 RealBadAngel i finally have solved problems with inventory mods and creative takin over them 09:22 RealBadAngel solution was as usual for tough problems a single line change ;) 09:46 markveidemanis Who knows pyhton and IRC wel? 09:46 markveidemanis *Well? 10:31 chynggyz hi, I want translate the minetest into kyrgyz language, add please my language here http://translate.minetest.ru/ 10:31 RealBadAngel does kyrgyz == italian? ;) 10:32 chynggyz i don't know about italian 10:33 Sketch2 Kyrgyzstan 10:33 RealBadAngel so why have you make it under italian flag? 10:33 chynggyz where? 10:34 RealBadAngel link shows italian translation 10:34 RealBadAngel maybe you should be more precise with linking 10:34 chynggyz this is main page of translation website 10:35 RealBadAngel so you just asking if you can do the translation? 10:35 RealBadAngel if so youre welcome, please do 10:35 chynggyz there is no kyrgyz language, we need to add a new language 10:35 RealBadAngel ah 10:35 Sketch2 do you think you can do it? 10:36 RealBadAngel im not sure about the solution 10:36 RealBadAngel i will talk to other devs bout it 10:36 Sketch2 not you, I mean chynggyz 10:36 chynggyz what i can do it? 10:37 RealBadAngel so, is the language aviable on weblate or not? 10:37 Sketch2 no it's not there. 10:37 chynggyz no available yet 10:37 Sketch2 As I understand, it's somewhat like Turkish 10:37 Sketch2 my Uncle's Turkish 10:37 RealBadAngel hmmmm, can you pick some very exotic language then 10:38 RealBadAngel and prepare translation with it? 10:38 IceCraft Ho 10:38 chynggyz It's more kazakh than turkish 10:38 RealBadAngel we could just rename it later 10:38 chynggyz Borat speak kazakh 10:38 Sketch2 right 10:39 chynggyz we have only on plural form for counts 10:39 Sketch2 I think the trick is just to log into that site you posted 10:39 Sketch2 http://translate.minetest.ru/accounts/register/ 10:39 Sketch2 then you get to translate it 10:39 RealBadAngel but anyway i will rise that problem with another devs 10:40 chynggyz I already registered and logged in 10:40 chynggyz this is our plural forms: nplurals=1; plural=0 10:40 chynggyz nplurals=1; plural=0; 10:40 Sketch2 ah, ok. ty chynggyz. if you happen to have anyone else who can help, that would be great. 10:41 Sketch2 say a friend, or relative with some spare time 10:43 chynggyz our language code ky 10:48 Jordach sfan5, is that your elevator right beside spawn? 10:48 sfan5 yes 10:48 Jordach nice 10:48 Sketch2 yeah, so check back after the dev's have a chance to add the language in. may be a day or two. 10:49 sfan5 if anyone wants the latest minetest: http://5.175.144.3/minetest-latest.zip 10:49 sfan5 my vserver builds minetest twice a day 10:49 Sketch2 that's cool man. running on Linux tho 10:51 Sketch2 'prolly read through your thread on compiling it tho 10:51 Sketch2 been trying to read up on all the compile notes for the various OS's 10:55 RealBadAngel sfan5, lately 2 times a day is not enough ;) 10:56 sfan5 i can still start a manual build 10:56 RealBadAngel just jokin :) but i like how the game changes now 10:59 * sfan5 too 11:09 Sketch2 well, I'm getting somewhere... 11:09 Sketch2 it just seems that others have run into the same prob's compiling for macs 11:10 Sketch2 but I doubt there's any way to convert it 11:14 Sketch2 this may disconnect. trying to connect to another server for a moment... 11:22 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:28 sfan5 hi pilz 11:36 PilzAdam *Adam 11:38 Sketch2 'prolly not a big deal, but XChat-Gnome is buggy. 11:38 Sketch2 uninstalled it, and just installed regular Xchat instead 11:41 kaeza /bin/minetest/src/scriptapi.cpp:701: warning: unused variable 'ndef' 11:43 Jordach kaeza, saw that too 11:44 kaeza and lots of warnings with cguittfont/irrUString.h 11:45 kaeza it's no big deal, but those warnings are annoying sometimes 12:08 MinetestBot GIT: 0gb-us commited to minetest/common: Make vessels placable as nodes bb28112e53 2013-03-30T05:06:37-07:00 http://git.io/SzUpBw 12:09 kaeza LOL http://lolzbook.com/2012/07/license-agreement-trolled/ 12:09 kaeza someday this will happen to one of us 12:13 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/common: Allow disabling default creative inventory c3747bc7cc 2013-03-30T05:11:28-07:00 http://git.io/2MH_kQ 12:20 MinetestBot GIT: 0gb-us commited to minetest/build: Add "safe" version of bones, players inventory is not added to the bones 3987937f84 2013-03-30T05:17:11-07:00 http://git.io/xsRWfA 12:26 rubenwardy hi all 12:32 kaeza hello ruben 12:33 rubenwardy http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-29#i_2967477 12:33 rubenwardy The Cloud Background is another thing in common 12:33 rubenwardy WRONG! 12:33 rubenwardy http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20418/rH1Hl.png 12:33 rubenwardy Although the title is similar 12:37 rubenwardy How ya doing, Kaeza? 12:37 kaeza fine; you? 12:37 rubenwardy fine as well 12:38 kaeza good to read 12:38 rubenwardy just finished cleaning out my guinea pig's cage. 12:38 kaeza I'm experimenting with web hosting 12:39 kaeza actually, managing a VPS 12:41 sfan5 rubenwardy: fallencraft? 12:41 Jordach kaeza, host1free? 12:41 kaeza yup 12:41 * sfan5 haz one too 12:41 rubenwardy what? 12:41 Jordach ACTUALLY 12:41 kaeza just for experimenting 12:41 Jordach sfan5, idea 12:42 rubenwardy A real guinea pig 12:42 sfan5 rubenwardy: on the screenshot "FallenCraft 0.1 Pre-Release" 12:42 rubenwardy not my screenshot 12:45 rubenwardy https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minecraft%20menu&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&biw=1366&bih=614&sei=S95WUYjZBYqy0QXypIDgDQ 12:59 Matsetes Hi! Is there anyone practice with realtest game? 13:01 Jordach OH JESUS CHRIST 13:01 IceCraft Oha 13:01 Jordach ITS SNOWING CRAZILY 13:01 Jordach rubenwardy, ^^ 13:01 rubenwardy Not for me :( 13:01 Jordach rubenwardy, ti's but a blizzard 13:01 IceCraft Yes... Snow... In germany too.... ;( 13:02 Jordach sfan5 might know of it too, same for PilzAda 13:02 PilzAdam yep, here too 13:02 Jeija|OFF No snow here... (Near Stuttgart) 13:02 Jordach tip: ctrl + shft + bkspace = closed app 13:03 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCQ1toUtggE 13:03 Tecan (zCQ1toUtggE) "Minetest customizer - take 2" by "norrepli" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:53 13:04 IceCraft ?? texturepacks 13:04 Jordach where did tecan come from 13:04 IceCraft Hm 13:04 PilzAdam Jeija, why not simple mobs!?! 13:05 Jeija Because these are just test mods, and also because simple mobs is difficult to handle 13:05 Jeija It should just go like download the zip and unpack it in the mods folder 13:05 Jeija However, simple mods wants to be renamed 13:06 Jordach server online 13:07 Jeija I'd prefer a mod structure where the git repo contains a depends.txt and the mod, so that the repo can have any name; lots of mods follow this structure, but some don't (like simple mods) 13:07 Jeija sorry, modpack.txt 13:08 PilzAdam but modpacks arent displayed as mods in the GUI 13:09 Jordach sfan5, i just improved my scripty 13:10 Jeija But renaming folders is also annoying, people get confused by it (in the simple mobs thread some didn't manage to install your mod) 13:10 rubenwardy PilzAdam: but you can disable the whole mod pack like a mod 13:10 Jeija It doesn't really make a difference to disable a modpack called simple mobs or an actual mod then 13:17 Jordach rubenwardy, i wrote a custom bash script that restarts the server, creates a map of the server and makes a backup of the server 13:22 rubenwardy cool 13:23 Jordach look here: http://jordachscity.tk/map.png 13:23 Jordach and find this: http://i.imgur.com/PKhC0Dw.png 13:24 rubenwardy ... 13:24 PilzAdam found it 13:24 Jordach i immediately refreshed the older map when it was done 13:26 Jordach yup, removed it, now look :P 13:27 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, seen my commit in commons? 13:27 Jordach Creative Commons by chance?? 13:27 RealBadAngel lol, no 13:27 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, I usually see the commits that I merge, yes 13:28 RealBadAngel ive commited single liner to allow disabling of creative inventory by other mods 13:28 PilzAdam bbl 13:29 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, ah youre already merged it, thx 13:31 RealBadAngel so no more problems with UI and creative 13:31 RealBadAngel and need for deletion of the second 13:33 ShadowNinja :-) now just a fire disabling option and I don't need to modify my version of common 13:34 ShadowNinja won't* 13:37 Psychotic hey 13:40 Jordach is VanessaE about?: 13:41 Psychotic Idk, im waiting for onpon and mito to join 13:41 Jordach join where? 13:42 Jordach afternoon Zeg9, or Zeggie 13:42 Zeg9 Hi. Zeg9, please ;) 13:42 Jordach im tomfooling about 13:43 Psychotic IRC 13:44 Psychotic This chat 13:47 rubenwardy Jordach: place block on my scratch game works 13:47 rubenwardy fine tuning physics and map gen now 13:47 Jordach im converting my spawn area into a beach 13:48 Jordach hey Traxie21|Kindle 13:48 Traxie21|Kindle Hey Jordach 13:48 Jordach i newly implemented something your server doesnot do 13:48 Traxie21|Kindle Oh? 13:49 Traxie21|Kindle my server dosnt do lots of things :P 13:49 Jordach the server now creates a map and puts it at http://jordachscity.tk/map.png and creates a world backup on /shutdown 13:49 Traxie21|Kindle Niiice 13:49 Traxie21|Kindle bash script? 13:49 Psychotic Quick question, do games have to be unzipped before you install them?' 13:49 Jordach trade secret :P 13:49 Traxie21|Kindle 6Es 13:49 Jordach Psychotic, yes 13:49 Psychotic Cool, thanks 13:50 Traxie21|Kindle Jordach, beech, I shared mine XD 13:50 Traxie21|Kindle Probably not that complicated though 13:50 kaeza 'ello Psychotic 13:50 Jordach you dont have a specialised mapper 13:51 Psychotic Err, dwarves isnt in the games even though i copied it to the games folder..... 13:51 Traxie21|Kindle Psychotic, did you create a bew map? 13:51 Traxie21|Kindle *new 13:51 Psychotic Err, ill make one, but doesnt it have to be the gamemode itself? 13:52 Jordach Psychotic, existing maps cannot change their gamemode 13:52 Traxie21|Kindle No, each world can use one of the games installed 13:52 Traxie21|Kindle you cant change it 13:53 Psychotic i know, dwarves isnt in the game selection menu, i have, survival, minimal development test minetest, and build, no dwarves to be seen 13:53 Traxie21|Kindle strange 13:53 Psychotic Its in the games folder, should it be in mods? 13:53 kaeza Psychotic, see if there's a 'dwarves' folder in 'games' 13:53 Traxie21|Kindle can you post the foler path to game.conf? 13:53 Traxie21|Kindle it should be 13:53 kaeza andif it contains a 'game.conf' file 13:54 kaeza aww...ninja'd 13:54 Traxie21|Kindle MTDIR\games\dwarves\game.conf 13:54 Psychotic i use windows 8, and dwarves_game does indeed have a game.conf 13:54 Traxie21|Kindle Whats the directory path? 13:55 Traxie21|Kindle lol, everything simple always goes wrong for new people 13:56 Psychotic C:/Users/DonovanPritchard/downloads/dwarves/games/dwarves_game 13:56 Traxie21|Kindle I have 3 versions of MT all on a SD card 13:56 Traxie21|Kindle erm 13:57 Traxie21|Kindle wheres minetest.exe? 13:57 Psychotic in the bin folder 13:57 Traxie21|Kindle whats the full path to minetest.exe? 13:58 Traxie21|Kindle brb 13:58 RealBadAngel your game path /bin 13:59 Traxie21|Kindle cya all, bbl 13:59 Psychotic C:/Users/DonovanPritchard/downloads/minetest-0.4.5-8809d9e5-diamonds-win32/bin/minetest .exe 14:00 rarkenin The dwarves should be in C:/Users/DonovanPritchard/downloads/minetest-0.4.5-8809d9e5-diamonds-win32/games/dwarves 14:01 Psychotic It is, i can screepcap it for you to prove it 14:01 Psychotic screencap 14:01 rarkenin No, it's OK. 14:02 kaeza Jordach, I haz meh own serveh! 14:02 rarkenin Specs? 14:02 Jordach rarkenin, same as mine 14:02 rarkenin Ah. 14:03 Psychotic err, what should i do now? 14:03 kaeza I'll maybe upload my world later 14:03 kaeza or just leave it as-is for the lulz 14:04 rarkenin Are you sure you aren't sticking the game into one installlation of Minetest, but running another? 14:04 * Sketch2 has been compiling for like 12 hrs straight 14:04 * rarkenin has been rendering Blender stuff for 48 hours. 14:05 kaeza hardcore survival with hunger, thirst, drowning, mobs, etc 14:05 * Jordach has been watching porn for 200 hours 14:05 Psychotic Yeah, when i downloaded minetest last night, i didnt do anything, i played vanilla for a bit, and thats all the stuff i did to it, and i only have one install, 0.4.5 14:05 Sketch2 yeah, been a long time since I rendered 3D stuff 14:05 rarkenin Ah, I see. 14:06 rarkenin Let's see here. Right now, I'm rendering a scene in 1080p with maybe 10000 verts, ambient occlusion, subsurface scattering, and slightly diffure mirroring. 14:06 rarkenin Actually a pretty long animation. 14:06 rarkenin 1000 frames or so. 14:06 Psychotic Erm, anything else i can do to make it work? 14:07 rarkenin I honestly don't knoe. 14:07 rarkenin *know 14:07 Psychotic AGGGHHHHH 14:07 rarkenin Sorry. 14:07 Sketch2 used to render stuff in Caligari trueSpace 14:08 Psychotic STUPID TJHING WONT WORK 14:08 rarkenin My GPUs are burning right now. 14:08 Sketch2 read the Blender manual, but never really sat down with it 'cuz I was always too busy 14:08 kaeza Psychotic, keep calm and re-check all steps 14:09 kaeza it's not hard once you get it 14:09 rarkenin Blender is fun to operate. I actually desgn less than I render, as I do a ton of renders for friends. 14:10 rarkenin Someone wanted me to rerender a segment of "Tears of Steel" with max settings for some reason. 14:10 Psychotic i installed it to the games folder, checked the minetest game itself, no dwarves, i was told to put it in games, so i did, checked the filepath to make sure its correct, and now it still isnt working, easy modding my ass. 14:10 rubenwardy Jordach: physics done 14:10 Jordach nice 14:11 rubenwardy The best bit is that is it not by color detection, but by reading what block is where. 14:11 Psychotic Nope. Still nothing. 14:12 kaeza can you post the full path to game.conf? 14:12 Sketch2 can't recall if I have any recent computer graphics posteed on the web, but I got some real old ones here - http://madgrin.deviantart.com/gallery/ 14:13 kaeza it's weird that it does not work, unless Mito messed up the package somehow 14:13 rarkenin Sketch2: Awesome. 14:14 Psychotic C:/Users/DonovanPritchard/downloads/minetest-0.4.5-8809d9e5-diamonds-win32/games/dwarves/games/dwarves_game/game.conf 14:15 kaeza AHA 14:15 Psychotic ? 14:15 kaeza move C:/Users/DonovanPritchard/downloads/minetest-0.4.5-8809d9e5-diamonds-win32/games/dwarves/games/dwarves_game to C:/Users/DonovanPritchard/downloads/minetest-0.4.5-8809d9e5-diamonds-win32/games/ 14:16 * Sketch2 is AFK 14:16 kaeza Mito has a weird way of packaging games 14:16 Psychotic dwarves is in games folder, but ill try, you mean dwarves_game folder itself? 14:16 kaeza yep 14:16 Psychotic I'll tell you if it works 14:16 kaeza the game scans for immediate subdriectories searching for 'game.conf' files 14:17 Psychotic DUN DUN DUUUUUN IT WORKS!!!! 14:17 kaeza good :) 14:17 STHGOM wo-hoooo!!!! 14:17 * STHGOM dances a jig 14:18 kaeza when installing games you must find the folder that has 'game.conf' and move that folder directly to games/ 14:18 Psychotic I connected to mitos server, and its saying waiting content..... 14:19 STHGOM thats nice 14:19 rarkenin The server might not have a sufficient internet connection, It's REALLY laggy for me. 14:19 kaeza just wait until it downloads textures, sounds, etc 14:20 kaeza there's a problems with recent versions (after adding TTF font support) in which the progress meter is not shown 14:20 rarkenin My personal builds don't have that issue. 14:20 kaeza what OS do you use? 14:21 rarkenin Linux. 14:21 kaeza I use Ubuntu 12.04 14:21 rarkenin But I did windows builds with minor tweaks for jojoa1997. The problem also didn't exist there. 14:21 kaeza compiling with Irrlicht 1.7.2 IIRC 14:23 rarkenin 1.6.2 for me, if I am not wrong. 14:23 Jordach rarkenin, youre out of date 14:23 rarkenin Let me check. 14:24 rarkenin I am using the Windows buildbot for Jojoa. I just have libirrlicht-dev and whatever dependencies for native compilation. 14:25 Psychotic any good servers that run dwarves? or good survival servers in general if there are no dwarves servers? 14:27 Psychotic Derp, minetest crashed after i tried connecting to mito's server -.- 14:27 kaeza that happens sometimes when there are too much stuff to download 14:28 STHGOM jajaja 14:28 kaeza stuff is cached, so just restart game and re-try 14:28 Psychotic any good servers that run dwarves? or good survival servers in general if there are no dwarves servers? <---just wanted to aska gain 14:29 STHGOM haha 14:29 STHGOM dwarves? 14:29 kaeza Redcrab's server seems like a good choice for newcomers 14:29 Jordach yup 14:29 Jordach what jojoa want exactly rarkenin 14:30 rarkenin Modified client, fly, fast, noclip, no lava/fall damage. I use the same when moderating 0gb.us:30000. 14:31 kaeza wat 14:31 kaeza isn't damage server-side? 14:32 rarkenin Damage from being punched is. 14:32 rarkenin Fall/lava damage is computed on the client. 14:32 rarkenin Spiketraps are server, though. 14:33 Jordach rarkenin, the new damage system will remove that function entirely 14:33 rarkenin Let it, then. 14:33 rarkenin So it will even calculate when players fall? 14:33 STHGOM byebye 14:33 Psychotic any good servers? recrabs uses 0.4.4 14:35 rubenwardy you can use redcrab with 0.4.5 14:35 kaeza the only other survival servers I know of are GameBoom and ShadowNinja's 14:35 kaeza oh, and 0gb.us' 14:36 rarkenin Speaking of 0gb.us, the moderators got fed up and now can ban. 14:40 rubenwardy Jordach: Physics, Block placement and digging done. Next: advanced mapgen with biomes 14:42 Jordach rarkenin, speaking of my creative world; a undercity subway system is being implemented 14:43 rarkenin What's the address? 14:43 IceCraft Ups Jordach 14:43 Jordach !up jordachscity.tk 14:43 Jordach minetestbot no here 14:43 Jordach * MinetestBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 14:43 IceCraft I think i accidentally had a little issue with the water remover in the icean :/ 14:43 Jordach IceCraft, only use water removers in a air tight area where its removal system cant remove any water outside the structure 14:44 IceCraft Yeah i see now :/ i thought its like the sponge i n minecraft 14:45 Jordach there was a sponge mod IIRC 14:45 Jordach anyways, the water is now repairing 14:45 IceCraft Okay 14:45 IceCraft Thanks 14:45 IceCraft And im very sorry 14:46 Jordach thats alright 14:46 Jordach server has recovered its CPU 14:46 Psychotic 0gb server is laggy as hell 14:46 Psychotic and redcrabs server is outdated, and isnt gameboom having trouble with griefers? 14:46 Jordach traxie21 has a survival server 14:47 Psychotic traxie, can i join your server, please/ 14:47 Jordach she aint here 14:47 Jordach just join and hope shes there 14:47 rarkenin Psychotic: Yeah, but Bad_Command made tools to clean up. 14:47 Psychotic ip? 14:47 Jordach use the forums 14:47 Psychotic ok, fine, i looked on the forums and couldnt find the ip for gamebooms server? do you know it? 14:48 sfan5 !up jordachscity.tk 14:48 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.827ms) 14:48 Jordach rarkenin, is this you on my server 14:48 rarkenin Yup. 14:49 Psychotic ? 14:50 sfan5 !up jordachscity.tk 14:50 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 seems to be down 14:50 rarkenin The server is up... 14:51 sfan5 wtf?! 14:51 sfan5 my internet lags really hard 14:51 rarkenin Try /ping 14:52 Jordach i'm getting it too 14:52 rarkenin I get 0.22 seconds. 14:52 Jordach * Ping reply from hubbard.freenode.net: 0.01 second(s) 14:52 sfan5 hm 14:52 sfan5 !up jordachscity.tk 14:52 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.158ms) 14:55 sfan5 !up jordachscity.tk 14:55 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.314ms) 15:05 Psychotic the stupid client keeps telling me my password is invalied even though i know its right! 15:05 Psychotic nvm 15:05 Jordach Psychotic, which server are you trying 15:05 Psychotic every server 15:06 rarkenin Maybe ano0ther username? 15:08 Psychotic Yeah, its working now.... 15:08 markveidemanis HI 15:08 markveidemanis How does loggingbot_ work? 15:11 PilzAdam markveidemanis, is MasterBot your bot? 15:11 markveidemanis Maybe 15:11 PilzAdam bots arent allowed in #minetest-dev 15:12 Psychotic Skype safe to install? 15:13 markveidemanis oh, sorry 15:14 markveidemanis Can someone help me with my bot? 15:14 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7181326 ... 15:14 markveidemanis i have done message.split() 15:14 markveidemanis when i do a '!join' it crashes because it tries to send the second word AND the third word while i only have 1 word 15:15 sfan5 learn to use python right 15:15 markveidemanis aI need to define a function to check the number of words 15:15 rarkenin Maybe just hack together a try-ecept-finally or whatever it's called. 15:16 sfan5 there is a clean way to solve that problem, but only people who learned know the solution 15:18 markveidemanis PING Jordach 15:21 Psychotic Skype safe to install, and what version do i get since i use windows 8? 15:21 Calinou any 15:21 Calinou as long as it is for windows 15:36 Psychotic What about mumble, is it any good? 15:38 Calinou yes it is 15:39 markveidemanis len(str) !!! 15:39 Calinou it is made for gaming, while skype is made for family photos talking to each other 15:39 markveidemanis if len(str) < 2: 15:39 markveidemanis None 15:40 markveidemanis Everyone Query masterbot 15:40 markveidemanis not all at once:P 15:41 Calinou * masterbot :No such nick/channel 15:42 markveidemanis Yeh, it disconnected 15:44 markveidemanis So... whats new with minetest? 15:44 Calinou cd _VCS/minetest && git log 15:44 rubenwardy Psychotic: redcrab's server is not that outdated 15:44 rubenwardy only a month old 15:44 rubenwardy still works 15:45 Calinou rubenwardy: its minetest_game is about 6 months old at least :P 15:45 Calinou no 3D doors 15:45 rubenwardy before the terrible mese changes 15:45 rubenwardy and there is 3d doors 15:46 Calinou shit ones :P 15:47 markveidemanis Anyone want a logger? 15:47 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7183904 15:47 markveidemanis Feel free to use it 15:47 * Calinou got cancer by opening pastie.org 15:47 Calinou 15:48 Psychotic Couldnt resolve address for redcrabs server 15:48 dante123 !up minetest.info.tm 15:48 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 is up (0.384ms) 15:58 markveidemanis us_0gb: i have logging now 15:58 us_0gb Nice. 15:59 jordan4ibanez local getNode = minetest.env:get_node 15:59 jordan4ibanez This would speed up parts of your code where you want to get a node because instead of requiring 3 calls it only needs one local call. Local calls in lua are quicker than globals because locals are stored in the register. 15:59 jordan4ibanez is this true? 16:00 us_0gb|showering I don't know if that's true. 16:01 Psychotic Someone told me when you download mumble, you get a server as well, is this true? 16:02 * Calinou facepalms 16:02 Calinou servers are hosted by users 16:02 rarkenin No, you need to install the server separately. 16:02 Calinou but to make one accessible to the internet , you have to forward ports 16:03 rarkenin A server is just a specialized program running on a computer that does nothing but obsessively process requests. 16:03 rarkenin Same goes for a Minetest server, in a way. 16:04 ShadowNinja sfan5: I got this error with a phenny bot using your minetestbot modules: AttributeError: object has no attribute 'authors' (file "[...]/feedparser.py", line 286, in__getattr__) 16:04 Psychotic So i can just use the client and call people? Cool. And how easy is it to use? I heard better than Skype. 16:05 Calinou certainly not, it is harder for most people, guess why skype is popular 16:05 Calinou you don't call people, you join a server 16:05 Calinou see mumble as a game, where you have many rooms 16:05 Calinou you join a server, then a room to talk with one or more other people 16:05 Calinou you can also send text chat (in the whole room or to just 1 person) 16:06 Psychotic Oh, ok, sorry, im new to the open source scene 16:06 Calinou open source doesn't mean hard to use, it means it will almost always have a different philosophy 16:06 Calinou by the way, mumble could be as easy to use as skype... skype uses peer to peer basically 16:06 Calinou and ports are automagically forwarded using UPnP 16:07 Calinou very few open source software, aside from torrenting software can use UPnP :P 16:07 rarkenin And/or UDP holepunch when UPnP fails. 16:07 Calinou hello security guy 16:07 kaeza jordan4ibanez, nope 16:07 jordan4ibanez All of my dreams are crushed 16:07 kaeza you can't have a local get_node 16:08 * Calinou types "man security" in his terminal, returns "50% of them are gentoo users, 20% hypocrites, 30% facebook users" 16:08 kaeza that's because get_node is a *method*; not a function 16:08 jordan4ibanez I wonder if you can make get_node as a local 16:08 kaeza well... actually you can 16:08 kaeza but it's kinda weird 16:08 jordan4ibanez TELL MEH! 16:09 sfan5 ShadowNinja: that happens sometimes when github returns invalid data 16:09 kaeza local get_node = minetest.env.get_node; node = get_node(minetest.env, pos) 16:09 jordan4ibanez Is that faster than the other? 16:09 kaeza dunno haven't tested 16:09 jordan4ibanez TIME TO TEST 16:10 kaeza you can also cache 'minetest.env' locally 16:10 kaeza I doubt it changes during a single run 16:11 kaeza but take note that at script load time, 'minetest.env' is nil (it's not constructed yet) 16:11 jordan4ibanez HA! that actually did make it faster 16:14 jordan4ibanez it uses a little more ram though 16:14 sapier if the scriptapi changes are included you'll be able to use minetest.get_node .... the minetest.env: notation is relict of some design error 16:14 kaeza BTW, writable books! :3 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/bookex.zip 16:15 sapier calling by :function is call by reference but there'll never be multiple environments within a single game ;) 16:15 jordan4ibanez Awesome! 16:15 jordan4ibanez Can we have a local set node? 16:15 kaeza yup 16:15 kaeza same principles 16:16 sapier but someone needs to test scriptapi changes ... and yes they are fully compatible 16:17 kaeza set_node(env, pos, node) 16:18 sapier locals are always faster :-) but as "env" needs to be checked in current implementation there'll be additional improvement with my changeset 16:31 markveidemanis ok it works now 16:32 markveidemanis !part #minetest 16:54 markveidemanis Why do i get 'has quit: changing host'? 16:54 markveidemanis how do i stop that 16:55 khonkhortisan Join the channel after your cloak activates from joining the server 16:55 khonkhortisan oh, you don't have a cloak. Huh. 16:55 khonkhortisan Well, you get more control not using webchat 16:55 markveidemanis Its the bot 16:56 khonkhortisan oh :) 16:56 markveidemanis I set the username, set the nick, identify and join the channel 16:56 markveidemanis In that order 16:56 khonkhortisan There should be more time between joining the server and joining the channel? 16:56 markveidemanis us_0gb: go to #mtmt, the bot can voice people now :D 17:08 ShadowNinja VanessaE: can you please make the signs in homedecor use infotext? 17:10 us_0gb I agree. The signs that you have to walk up and squint at are hard to use. 17:13 us_0gb Hmm. I should get Minetest installed on this machine. 17:14 jordan4ibanez wtf 17:14 jordan4ibanez Why won't this statement break? 17:14 NekoGloop because it's made of rubber 17:14 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/7185920 17:14 jordan4ibanez Oops: http://pastie.org/pastes/7185920/text 17:16 jordan4ibanez oh wait... 17:20 jordan4ibanez forgot to add in multiple breaks 17:28 Jordach if anyone wants to see me test the pyIRC Client, goto #botgrounds 17:29 sdzen because its made of cloud block of course 17:38 jordan4ibanez can we generate biomes in lua yet? 17:38 jordan4ibanez generate=define 17:39 PilzAdam no 17:41 jordan4ibanez fudge 17:45 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: GUI: Make singleplayer default tab, store selected serverlist, show title of serverlist e17ae475cf 2013-03-30T10:34:36-07:00 http://git.io/u-bsNA 17:50 jordan4ibanez \o/ 17:54 Psychotic Onpon, me and mitori (mito) skyped, and he told me due to lag, the lets play for now is gonna have to be delayed 17:55 onpon4 Psychotic: Alright, when are we going to do it? 17:56 Psychotic mito told me about a server he was gonna get, i can skype him in a week, he told me about a month- 2 months 17:56 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Make the textbox for serverlist title wider 1aa50b1362 2013-03-30T10:56:29-07:00 http://git.io/FXqAXQ 17:57 onpon4 Hm... have you tried my server, Psychotic? Connection seems hit-and-miss, I don't know why. 17:57 rubenwardy My scratch game: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/kidomat43/3221469 17:58 onpon4 Actually, while I'm here, I might as well ask: lots of people seem to be timing out when connecting to my server, but not all of them. Can anyone think of anything to check? 17:59 onpon4 Port is forwarded properly, and I can't think of anything else to check. Also, I can connect to it perfectly from the same local network. 18:02 onpon4 Psychotic, did you guys try connecting to some public servers? 18:05 Psychotic Yeah, all of em lagged like hell 18:06 us_0gb If they're ALL lagging, maybe the problem is your connection, not the servers. 18:07 rarkenin Yeah, but a few of the leading ones DO lag like hell. 18:07 us_0gb True enough. 18:13 Psychotic 20mbps time warner connection, best we can get. 18:13 rarkenin I heard Time Warner had issues handling some UDP packets, but that may not apply now, as I heard it maybe 2 yeears ago. 18:15 Psychotic Its a lot faster than it was, cause i remember twc had major internet issues few years back, as i have used it, but it seems to be a lot faster and more stable 18:24 Psychotic yo 18:24 sdzen the public list is now very very tiny 18:27 khonkhortisan When I go to a non-public server, it only shows up as an ip. I can't add a name to it for whose server it is to keep the ip addresses separate. 18:29 Psychotic i hope in the future minetest has more lag free servers 18:35 Jordach ShadowNinja|Away, ive just seen the orthagonal view of you map 18:35 Jordach BLOODY AMAZING 18:35 Jordach http://67.241.154.164:8080/map/ 18:36 Psychotic anyone got a lag free survival server? 18:36 Jordach i got a lag free creative server 18:36 Jordach ^ VanessaE 18:37 Psychotic Creative is fun, but i suck at building 18:37 khonkhortisan the viewing software makes the image more impressive 18:38 jordan4ibanez http://imgur.com/gallery/h04IaVi 18:43 sfan5 "It is starting to seem like xyz is losing interest in Minetest, sadly." 18:43 sfan5 -http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80079#p80079 18:45 thexyz uh oh 18:45 thexyz we're all fucked 18:46 PilzAdam thexyz, can you update weblate? 18:48 thexyz PilzAdam: you mean, push translations? 18:48 PilzAdam no 18:49 PilzAdam update it so one can translate the new strings 18:49 thexyz oh, sure 18:50 thexyz done 18:51 thexyz um.. did anything change? 18:51 PilzAdam no 18:51 sfan5 but something should've changed 18:51 thexyz PilzAdam: what new strings are you talking about? 18:52 sfan5 "finite liquids" is one of them 18:52 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e17ae475cf8cec3f724bf99f6a52e49a19d99d91#L0R442 18:52 Psychotic Hey, anyone know if there is a way to make minetest lag less over log distances? like change code or something? <---i am a total noob 18:52 PilzAdam and "Sound volume" 18:52 PilzAdam sfan5, I want to update the german translation 18:52 * sfan5 too 18:53 PilzAdam >:-) 18:54 sfan5 :( 18:54 thexyz meh 18:55 thexyz there are no changes in any .po files 18:55 thexyz you should run updatepo.sh 18:55 thexyz then commit, push and ask me to pull 18:55 PilzAdam ok, will do 18:55 thexyz how else would it update? 18:55 thexyz wait 18:55 thexyz i'll commit current translations 18:55 thexyz *push 18:56 thexyz PilzAdam: ok, done 18:57 MinetestBot GIT: minetest-services commited to minetest/minetest: Merge remote branch 'origin/master' a0566270d9 2013-03-30T11:49:52-07:00 http://git.io/D04HIw 18:57 PilzAdam done 18:57 jordan4ibanez http://i.qkme.me/3tlgft.jpg 18:59 PilzAdam sfan5, "Endliche Flüssigkeit" wtf 18:59 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Update po files 02d8df94a8 2013-03-30T11:57:27-07:00 http://git.io/Eowzng 19:00 thexyz wow, it didn't fuck up anything 19:00 thexyz i'm surprised 19:01 PilzAdam sfan5, how about "Realistiches Wasser"? 19:01 jordan4ibanez What are you guys updating? 19:01 sfan5 thats better 19:01 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: german translation for mientest 19:01 sfan5 *minetest 19:02 jordan4ibanez Lol, best mistype ever 19:03 sfan5 wtf?! weblate a 19:03 sfan5 *weblate can't count 19:03 PilzAdam sfan5, aaaaand were 100% again 19:03 PilzAdam next time you can update it 19:03 sfan5 ok 19:26 Jordach VanessaE, you about? 19:29 Teddypig Does anyone know when 0.4.6 will be out? 19:29 Jordach Teddypig, some time in the near future 19:29 rarkenin Oh, soon? Awesome! 19:29 Teddypig How near? 19:29 PilzAdam new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 19:30 rarkenin Is this close to the average time for a release cycle? 19:30 * sfan5 has a win build which is always up to date: http://5.175.144.3/minetest-latest.zip 19:31 Teddypig sfan5 I have 0.4.5-2318d9 And it is lighning, Is ^this^ one faster, or about the same? 19:32 sfan5 it should be about the same 19:33 Teddypig d19* and, any changes, like additions or deletions, because I heared we wont be getting some things with the full release. 19:40 RealBadAngel Teddypig, we'll release it on wednesday 19:40 Jordach NO FUCKIN WAY 19:40 Teddypig Thank you. 19:41 Jordach hmmmm, when do we want to release 0.4.6? 19:41 Jordach we'll release it on wednesday 19:41 Teddypig LOL Jordach. 19:41 Jordach there 19:41 Teddypig Hi ShadowNinja. 19:41 ShadowNinja Jordach: that map is weeks old and takes an hour th generate, but the result is cool 19:41 ShadowNinja hi Teddypig 19:42 Jordach Teddypig, you can come visit my server if you like 19:42 Teddypig I might in a while. I'm building something on 0gb.us:30000 19:42 Jordach you build infinitely on mine 19:42 Psychotic teddy 19:42 Psychotic how bad is the lag obn 0gbs server? 19:42 Teddypig Yes? 19:43 rarkenin Psychotic: Not as bad as usual. 19:43 Teddypig It's bad but I think it's from anticheat. 19:43 * Jordach has anticheat turned off at my server 19:43 Teddypig brb 19:45 Teddypig back, Jordach, is yours creative? 19:45 Jordach why yes 19:45 Jordach http://servers.minetest.net 19:46 Teddypig See the thing is, is that I kind of like having to mine what I need. I don't know why. 19:48 ShadowNinja hi Jeija 19:48 Jeija Hi ShadowNinja and everyone else 19:49 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/Q3cUg29.gif 19:50 Psychotic 0gb's server has god awful lag 20:14 Jordach Uberi, stop being really good at mesecons 20:16 Uberi :P 20:16 * Jordach would have to break your hands 20:17 * Uberi learns to type with his mind 20:20 jordan4ibanez That headband that allows you to play games hands free and with your mind 20:20 jordan4ibanez 1.) direct that to mesecons 20:20 jordan4ibanez 2.) hook it up to a huge lcd display 20:20 Uberi build one into the next gen Google Glass 20:20 jordan4ibanez 3.) Have mesecons direct it to the program that handles the headband signals 20:21 jordan4ibanez 4.) Play minetest with minetest 20:21 jordan4ibanez 5.) ... 20:21 Uberi :O 20:21 jordan4ibanez 6.) profit? 20:21 Uberi what would you even want after step 4 20:22 jordan4ibanez Play xonotic with minetest 20:23 jordan4ibanez NO 20:23 jordan4ibanez play minecraft with minetest with your mind 20:23 jordan4ibanez OR 20:23 jordan4ibanez have minetest play minetest 20:24 Uberi :O 20:24 jordan4ibanez With the forceload entity, you could make a machine from mesecons, which could send signals to some kind of keypresser, and minetest could play itself 20:24 Uberi oh yeaaaah 20:27 Jordach Real life mesecons usage: CONTROLLING A PHONE 20:27 jordan4ibanez and there could be a mod, which get's stuff around the radius of the player, combined with sapier's pathfinding, minetest could be self aware of itself XD 20:27 Uberi I was supposed to meet nore here 27 mins ago 20:27 Uberi guess he didn't read the post yet :/ 20:28 Jordach looks like he stood your date up :P 20:28 jordan4ibanez Pore Uberi 20:28 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uudmtJ_4wQM 20:28 Tecan (uudmtJ_4wQM) "【鏡音リン・レン】 World's End Dance Hall (Rin and Len Kagamine cover)" by "Okiosama" is "Music" - Length: 0:07:05 20:28 NekoGloop dat bot 20:28 Uberi gosh how many bots are there here now 20:28 jordan4ibanez It's not a bot 20:28 jordan4ibanez Tecan became self aware yesterday 20:29 NekoGloop Tecan: Shut the hell up. 20:29 Uberi aw not again 20:45 Tecan hmmm 20:46 jordan4ibanez gizmokid2005... 20:48 sdzen see he even uses 3 m's instead of 4 to avoid incuring the wrath of you know who 20:52 jordan4ibanez hmmmm...good idea 20:52 hmmmm i agree.. 20:52 khonkhortisan jordan4ibanez, what are you wondering about? O.o 20:53 khonkhortisan quoteth the bot 20:53 jordan4ibanez about hmmmm's name change 20:54 jordan4ibanez Man, AMP tastes like shit, but it kicks your ass with energy 20:54 Jordach hmmmm, cant you use kwolekr? 20:54 hmmmm well 20:54 hmmmm i could 20:54 hmmmm but will i is a different question 20:54 Jordach that means your git name matches your nicl 20:54 Jordach nick* 20:55 hmmmm that's my real name, not an irc nick 20:55 hmmmm hahah 20:55 hmmmm i am on way more channels than just #minetest you know 21:02 Psychotic Cant find any decent servers 21:02 Psychotic game was fun while it lasted 21:05 sdzen try the forums Psychotic? 21:05 sdzen or singleplayer? 21:09 sfan5 this commit hash looks nice: 95ceaaa 21:11 hmmmm sceaaa 21:12 jordan4ibanez Lmfao 21:13 jordan4ibanez Can't find a good server->Leaves game 21:13 jordan4ibanez Can't imagine if I did that with Rigs of Rods 21:13 khonkhortisan too shaky->leaves game 21:13 NekoGloop doesn't use javascript -> preaches for days on end 21:14 jordan4ibanez Too much cocaine -> Leaves mexico 21:14 jordan4ibanez Wait: 21:15 jordan4ibanez Toy rockets -> threatens south korea 21:15 onpon4 Psychotic, maybe you should create your own server if none of the ones you've found are fitting? 21:16 * proller preparing hardcore survival with start at 1000+ mountain 21:16 Psychotic I dont have the time to run my own server. 21:16 onpon4 You don't need to run it 24/7. 21:16 jordan4ibanez Yeah just like 12/5 21:17 onpon4 Hey, guys, is there any way forwarding both TCP and UDP instead of just UDP can mess things up? 21:17 onpon4 It doesn't seem to me that this would be the case, but just checking. 21:18 khonkhortisan I've been on that 1000+ mountain, and walked on air off of it 21:18 onpon4 It's just really weird that I'm able to connect to my server from the same local network fine, but most other people just time out. 21:19 jordan4ibanez do you live in some obscure country? 21:19 onpon4 Unless the United States is obscure, no. 21:19 jordan4ibanez That's pretty obscure 21:20 onpon4 Hm, maybe I should move to an unobscure country, like... Ghana! 21:20 jordan4ibanez the united state of mexico minor outlaying islands under ground hidden base to canada 21:20 jordan4ibanez That's where I live 21:21 onpon4 Hm... could an ISP be screwing things up? I'm connected with AT&T. 21:45 ShadowNinja onpon4: I have a lot of timeouts on my server too, not sure why 21:45 jordan4ibanez it's a bug in this version 21:45 jordan4ibanez even singleplayer times out a lot for me 21:45 VanessaE happens quite frequently for my server too 21:45 jordan4ibanez or fails to emerge player 21:46 sdzen weird for the first time in a long time I have almost none 21:46 jordan4ibanez we must make a blood sacrifice of sdzen to fix the bug 21:46 * Sketch2 is terribly sleep deprived 21:47 sdzen my blood turned black last year 21:47 sdzen you might upset the gods 21:47 jordan4ibanez TOO LATE 21:47 jordan4ibanez I have decided 21:48 jordan4ibanez bot http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5348 21:48 jordan4ibanez can I be a partial mod to make thread or post deletion requests? 21:49 VanessaE ghandi. 21:49 VanessaE (gah, can't spell. deleted/banned) 21:49 jordan4ibanez Ghandi? There is no ghandi. 21:51 jordan4ibanez jordach 21:51 jordan4ibanez jordach 21:51 sdzen oh shite jordach is still on 21:51 jordan4ibanez oh jordach 21:51 sdzen might be sleeping 21:51 jordan4ibanez hey jordach 21:51 jordan4ibanez jordach 21:51 jordan4ibanez jordach 21:52 jordan4ibanez I'm going to wake jordach up 21:52 jordan4ibanez jordach 21:52 jordan4ibanez it's time to wake up jordach 21:56 onpon4 Ah, that's reassuring. 21:57 ShadowNinja OldCoder: using sasl now? 21:57 Jordach jordan4ibanez, THE FUCK 21:57 jordan4ibanez HAY 21:57 onpon4 I've also noticed, now that I've died for some reason (I guess I starved just when I logged in...), that there are a lot of people who have been dying near the spawn point. 21:57 jordan4ibanez THE VPN WASN'T ACTIVATED 21:57 OldCoder ShadowNinja, yes 21:57 OldCoder Is it working? 21:57 ShadowNinja yes :-) 21:57 OldCoder Thank you 21:58 jordan4ibanez GO HURT DAH COMPANY 21:58 OldCoder It was irritating not to be able to autojoin some channels 21:58 ShadowNinja You're welcome 22:01 sfan5 lol 22:01 sfan5 jordan4ibanez> Oh, javabeans? 22:01 jordan4ibanez Hey man, javabeans taste good. 22:04 jordan4ibanez http://upload.maciejkwas.pl/plik5/game.jpg 22:04 jordan4ibanez WHAT 22:04 jordan4ibanez THAT is what minetest could look like 22:04 jordan4ibanez WAT 22:05 Psychotic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvJybdcYbI 22:26 us_0gb I'd like to get bones and give_initiail_stuff moved to common, where we can use them. 22:27 jordan4ibanez When is the feature freeze? I know I said it should happen, but I didn't think anybody aknowledged it. xD 22:27 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/WvX7gEk.jpg 22:27 us_0gb It's a point where new features are not accepted, only bug fixes. 22:27 RealBadAngel cisoun's background with moving clouds (those shall be fixed with different view angle) 22:28 jordan4ibanez NO, WHEN is it? 22:28 ShadowNinja taday or tomorow I think 22:28 jordan4ibanez That looks REALLY nice 22:29 RealBadAngel http://cisoun.dyndns.org/minetest.png 22:29 RealBadAngel image shall be placed in /textures/all/menusplash.png 22:29 jordan4ibanez I think I can do a little bit better though :P 22:29 RealBadAngel also there have to be put empty image menuheader.png 22:30 RealBadAngel jordan4ibanez, so make better one :) 22:30 jordan4ibanez I am! 22:32 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: you can just delete menuheader, it checks it 22:34 RealBadAngel yeah, but im using this in texture pack 22:43 us_0gb Drats. My commit is all messed up. 22:51 us_0gb Before the feature freeze, someone please add this: https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/17 22:52 Jordach hey, i've just spotted irregularities in my server map 22:52 Jordach http://jordachscity.tk/map.png 22:52 Jordach go look near the top 22:52 Jordach repeated dots have been printed 22:55 us_0gb You mean the no-quite-flat edge? 22:55 Jordach us_0gb, no, repeated dots at the absolute north 22:56 jordan4ibanez okay what texture name is the bottom of the main menu? 22:57 jordan4ibanez footer 22:57 jordan4ibanez how do I enable the footer? 22:57 Jordach us_0gb, this bit: http://i.imgur.com/UkS3jCI.png 22:58 us_0gb Hmm. That is odd. Could it be stumps from a clearcut? 22:59 Psychotic whats a feature freeze? 22:59 Psychotic Nvm, i remembered 23:00 Psychotic Sorry bout that. 23:04 Jordach us_0gb, strange: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-300313-230408.php 23:08 us_0gb Jordach: I see. Scorch marks. Maybe someone used lava in the area. 23:16 hmmmm jordach, do you have smooth lighting off? 23:19 us_0gb hmmmm: I see those sort of dark spots with smooth lighting on or off. 23:20 us_0gb hmmmm: Especially right after lava has cleared. 23:23 hmmmm hmm 23:25 us_0gb You forgot two "m"s. 23:25 us_0gb I wonder, can you ping yourself? Testing: us_0gb 23:26 us_0gb No. It seems you cannot. 23:36 khonkhortisan you can ctcp ping yourself, and pm yourself. 23:40 khonkhortisan Can I make a node not make dig particles? 23:42 khonkhortisan I also see lava shadows 23:43 PilzAdam Can I make a node not make dig particles? <- no 23:44 us_0gb At least you can turn of particle visibility in the client. 23:44 us_0gb Not a single node solution, but better. 23:45 khonkhortisan I have a rubiks cube that is placed as one node, then expands, and when I pick it up I get random colors falling from it 23:45 khonkhortisan but it's a mechanical construction that would break if you dug it to pick it up 23:45 us_0gb Ah, I see. 23:45 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/xXhOQBz.jpg 23:45 us_0gb Steel blocks have the same issue, I imagine. 23:46 us_0gb Although, I don't make a habit of turning on particles or placing steel blocks, so I can only guess. 23:46 Psychotic whaqt the actual hell is going on with my client? IT JUST DELETED MY PASSWORD' 23:47 us_0gb I don't knoe. 23:47 khonkhortisan minetest doesn't store passwords 23:47 Psychotic i know that 23:47 us_0gb My client keeps crashing when I enter a world. 23:47 us_0gb Psychotic means that he entered the password, and it disappeared. 23:48 Psychotic and every fucking time i log on, it deletes it 23:48 us_0gb Wait, you mean between logins? Like, you log in and log out, and the password is gone? 23:48 khonkhortisan exit to menu? 23:48 VanessaE us_0gb: that happens to lots of people now 23:49 Psychotic yep, and it keeps saying invalid password, even though ive used my account before. 23:49 Psychotic and its starting to royally piss me off. 23:49 VanessaE Psychotic: maybe the server you're logging into has a broken password fine 23:49 VanessaE file 23:49 PilzAdam you need to type your password everytime you connect to a server 23:49 khonkhortisan RBA, minetest looks boring now that I've seen that image 23:49 us_0gb VanessaE, what do I do about that? I'm on the stable version, which wasn't having that issue on my other computer. 23:50 Psychotic I am. ive entered the same password everytime, but now its not letting me 23:50 VanessaE us_0gb: delete his entry from worlds/yourworld/auth.txt and restart your server. Psychotic: When he does that, log in with your normal password. 23:50 us_0gb VanessaE, I thought you were saying the crashing happens to a lot of people. 23:50 VanessaE us_0gb: when he signs in, be sure you grant whatever privs he should have. 23:51 VanessaE us_0gb: crash on server login does, yes. 23:51 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, its cisoun's artwork with some of my suggestions. now im trying to make couple from it and moving clouds 23:51 VanessaE wait a sec, who is running the faulty server here? 23:51 us_0gb VanessaE, what do I do about the crash? 23:51 khonkhortisan it doesn't look right without it now 23:51 RealBadAngel effect imho is just GREAT 23:51 us_0gb Psychotic, whos server are you trying to log into? 23:51 VanessaE about the crash, nothing - no one's stepped forward with a solution :-/ best guess is to turn off all settings, turn off preload item visuals, and try again. 23:52 Psychotic Mito's server. 23:52 us_0gb Okay. So I can't reset your password then. Get Mito to do that. 23:52 VanessaE Psychotic: oh sorry, so mito has to correct your user entry. tell him to just delete it and restart the server, then you can sign in and wait for any pending privs. 23:55 us_0gb Okay, thanks VanessaE! Now I can at least log in, though my frame count is at one. 23:55 VanessaE ick 23:55 us_0gb VanessaE, never mind, now instead of crashing, it froze. 23:55 VanessaE well that's a start... 23:55 Psychotic does deleteing the user file also mean my items ill be gone/ 23:55 VanessaE Psychotic: no 23:56 us_0gb Yes, but he's not deleting the user file. 23:56 VanessaE it just means you'll temporarily lose your privs until you sign on and mito re-grants them 23:56 VanessaE the auth.txt entry I mean 23:56 VanessaE not your player file. 23:56 us_0gb xkill, XKILL! 23:57 khonkhortisan watch xkill 23:58 us_0gb Minetest froze. I had to do something. 23:58 RealBadAngel tnt 23:58 khonkhortisan that'll freeze the computer while it's unfreezing minetest 23:58 us_0gb TNT won't unfreeze my client. 23:59 us_0gb !up 0gb.us 23:59 us_0gb Wrong room? Wrong room. 23:59 khonkhortisan How off-black do I need to be to see black on it?