Time Nick Message 00:09 VanessaE left the ROOM!? 00:09 VanessaE it's a channel G*d damn it 00:10 * Uberi has left the building 00:18 khonkhortisan * Uberi has quit (Excess Flood) 01:05 Kacey hi all 01:07 Kacey is MinetestBot able to talk? 01:08 Kacey !up 8.28.70.17 01:08 MinetestBot 8.28.70.17:30000 seems to be down 01:10 Kacey tcp or udp? 01:11 Kacey !up 8.28.70.17 01:11 MinetestBot 8.28.70.17:30000 seems to be down 01:12 Kacey do i use tcp or udp for a minetest server port-forward? 01:15 Kacey anyone? 01:19 _ds_ VanessaE, somebody's done some damage on your server – results of lava + water near where I am in the map 01:19 _ds_ Tried a little clean-up, but rather a lot of mess… 01:24 * Kacey hates his internet 02:48 _ds_ sdfgffgs repeatedly killing while I and Doyousketch2 are cleaning up after that lava+water 02:48 _ds_ Or TRYING to clean up 02:49 _ds_ VanessaE, ↑ 02:54 _ds_ Nice. One threat to take this to the forum and griefer disconnects. 02:58 _ds_ (I'm dsalt on VanessaE's server) 02:58 NekoGloop|Laptop Let the poor woman SLEEP! 02:59 NekoGloop|Laptop (since i think she'd be sleeping right now) 02:59 _ds_ sdfgffgs is currently being an idiot on her server 03:00 OWNSyouAll can someone explain to me how the group and groupcaps system works 03:00 NekoGloop|Laptop No but lua-api.txt can 03:05 OWNSyouAll NekoGloop|Laptop: thanks for the help I'm eternally grateful 03:05 NekoGloop|Laptop Sweet. 03:20 Exio is anyone here in an intel cpu with more than 2 real cores and hyperthreading enabled? *linux user* 03:20 Exio i need the output of a single command :P 03:20 Exio the command, btw: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/topology/thread_siblings_list 03:25 hmmmm i am, but i don't use linux 03:26 OWNSyouAll Exio: um sure i was just about to reboot into it 03:26 Kacey hi all 03:26 OWNSyouAll send me taht message once i rejoin the channel 03:27 * Kacey wants to make an extension on technic 03:33 OWNSyouAll who wanted the linux proc command? 03:34 Exio cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/topology/thread_siblings_list 03:34 Exio me :P 03:35 anunakki lol 03:35 OWNSyouAll Exio: http://pastebin.com/T4p9hkKt 03:35 OWNSyouAll it's an intel i7-950 03:35 Exio thanks 03:36 Exio i just got from that command one thing, my system is weird 03:37 Exio it says "0-1" and other "0-1" 03:49 Kacey is there a "xor" command in luacontrollers? 03:50 khonkhortisan yes 03:50 khonkhortisan ~ iirc 03:50 Kacey so if pin.a xor pin.b then... 03:50 khonkhortisan oh lua nvm 03:51 Kacey anyone know 03:52 Kacey [string "if pin.a xor pin.c then..."]:1: 'then' expected near 'xor' 03:52 Kacey ? 03:53 NekoGloop|Laptop if (A and not B) or (B and not A) then... 03:54 hmmmm with (A or B) and not (A and B) you can remove an operation 03:54 Kacey aah 03:55 Kacey but i want there to be a "xor" operation in my code 03:57 Vadtec VanessaE: active? 03:59 Vadtec or anyone more familiar with pipeworks 04:00 Kacey i am 04:00 Vadtec do filters/injectors work with technic electric furnaces? 04:01 Kacey MV ones output automatically with a certain upgrade 04:01 Kacey LV ones don't interact with tubes or any tube devices 04:02 Vadtec ugh 04:02 Vadtec that explains it 04:03 NekoGloop|Laptop In other words technic is made in a very stupid manner 04:03 Kacey AAGH!!! 04:04 Kacey my code doesnt work ... 04:04 Vadtec it seems to me a furnace is nothing more than a limitted chest that does extra things 04:04 Vadtec i dont see why it couldnt interface with pipeworks without issue 04:04 Kacey i need an xor command NOW!!!! 04:04 Vadtec xor = 1 and only 1 04:05 Kacey ? 04:06 Vadtec thats the logic you need for xor 04:06 Kacey in luacontrollers? 04:07 Vadtec no, im saying the logic of xor comes down to "1 and only 1" for its truth table 04:08 Kacey i know that 04:08 Vadtec well this is nice...i moved one end of a teleport pipe set and now all my shit is disappearing 04:09 Kacey lol 04:10 Kacey but seriously how do i do xor in luacontrollers? 04:11 Vadtec that i cannot answer 04:11 Kacey ... 04:14 Vadtec how the hell did it get those coords for the teleport pipe.... 04:15 Vadtec its 100m under ground 04:15 Vadtec and no where near where it should be 04:16 Vadtec lovely 04:16 Vadtec teleport tubes glitched out 04:33 Vadtec ha, fixed that problem using teleport pads 04:37 Vadtec sort of 04:39 hmmmm if there is no xor for lua controllers, i'd have to say it's poorly designed 04:40 hmmmm xor should be in there... i hope nand is in there, otherwise the person who made it obviously hasn't ever had to design a circuit before 04:45 jrabbit should be a lua literal? 04:48 khonkhortisan Does lua itself have xor? 04:50 hmmmm no idea 04:50 hmmmm yes it does 04:50 hmmmm not bitwise xor, logical xor 04:50 kaeza hmm Lua has no xor?! 04:50 hmmmm logical xor is != 04:50 hmmmm not xor is == 04:50 kaeza also, hi all 04:50 khonkhortisan I always forget about xnor 04:51 hmmmm (well, i'm sure comparison in lua has some different, whacky syntax) 04:52 kaeza Lua 5.2 has stuff to work with bitfields 04:52 kaeza this is not the case on 5.1 04:53 kaeza BTW, it is not meant to be optimized in any way 04:54 kaeza it's implemented as a library, rather than actual changes in the language 04:59 Exio can't you make lua libraries in C? 05:18 kaeza yep 05:19 Exio so .. :P 05:24 kaeza Exio, look up a value in a global table, look up another value into the new table (the value), push two arguments on the stack, make a call... 05:24 kaeza ...vs: push two values in the stack, make a simple xor 05:25 Exio ah 05:26 kaeza well, you get the point... 05:27 Exio yep :P 06:16 Sylvertech|2 So 06:17 Sylvertech|2 VanessaE 06:18 VanessaE hm? 06:19 Sylvertech|2 The Oculus Rift is a headset with gyrometer and accelorometers built in. 06:19 Sylvertech|2 Headtracking. 06:19 Sylvertech|2 So basically in order to scan the view in front of you, in game, you just turn your head. 06:20 Sylvertech|2 Bottom line: 3D vision, no mouse needed. 06:21 Sylvertech|2 So what music do you listen to? 06:22 VanessaE oh. VR 06:22 VanessaE music? it varies. 06:22 VanessaE may be oldies one day, classic rock another 06:24 Sylvertech|3 Currently listening to Epica, although I think I like Nightwish better. 06:24 VanessaE right now the only sound I hear is half a dozen fans in my PC :) 06:25 VanessaE (sometimes I prefer the quiet) 06:25 Sylvertech|3 I do too. 06:25 MinetestBot GIT: khonkhortisan commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #80 from khonkhortisan/master 4c0988ceab 2013-03-02T22:24:29-08:00 http://git.io/RCJOqg 06:25 Sylvertech|3 But when family is in the room with the TV and chit-chat it seems more peaceful to have growling in your ears. 06:25 VanessaE heh 06:25 VanessaE "growling" 06:26 Sylvertech|3 Epica is basically symphonic metail with a girl mezzo-soprano opera voice and a dude growling syllabels every now and then. 06:26 VanessaE oy 06:27 VanessaE way out of my range of music, if you can call that music 06:27 VanessaE I'm not into raw angst 06:27 VanessaE I prefer melodic 06:27 VanessaE music with a story, a meaning 06:27 Sylvertech|3 Meh I just like the opera voice. 06:27 Sylvertech|3 Well basically all Nightwish has is fantasy stories. 06:27 VanessaE be it Everly Brothers or Aerosmith. 06:27 Sylvertech|3 Epica, however, simply adores the angst. 06:28 VanessaE bleh 06:28 Sylvertech|3 I think I'll return to Nightwish now -.- 06:28 VanessaE too much of that in the world now 06:28 Sylvertech|3 True. 06:28 VanessaE there was a time not so long ago when music was meant to *entertain*( 06:28 Sylvertech|3 Anyway have you watched the Three Colors Trilogy? 06:28 VanessaE not express frustration or raw emotions. There were better outlets for those things. 06:28 VanessaE no, not familiar with it. 06:29 Sylvertech|3 Wonderfully, pleasant, those movies. 06:29 Sylvertech|3 Anti-tragedy, anti-comedy, and anti-romance, respectively. 06:30 Sylvertech|3 I had intended to dive into the source code today - still eight thirty here on a Sunday - but I am just too lazy to install the dependencies. 06:31 Sylvertech|3 Meh I'll just force thes ten minutes and get the irrlicht over with. 06:31 VanessaE irrlicht isn't hard actually 06:31 VanessaE to compile I mean 06:32 Sylvertech|3 True; it is the easiest, but I am just too lazy -.- 06:32 hmmmm -.- 06:32 Sylvertech|3 Too used to Python and other interpreted crap 06:35 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Merge pull request #513 from sfan5/patch-2 c61a2ef44f 2013-03-02T22:34:56-08:00 http://git.io/ETNDsw 06:36 hmmmm in my defense it's not a feature of minetest, it's just more documentation, and additional documentation is always allowed under a code freeze 06:36 hmmmm so 06:36 hmmmm shut up before you say anything 06:36 Sylvertech|3 Is anybody here familiar with hackforums, the most populat 12-year-old whine site? 06:36 hmmmm no but the fact that you are makes us supicious that you're a part of it 06:36 Sylvertech|3 Yes I was. 06:37 Sylvertech|3 Back in '09 it was almost decent. 06:37 Exio 12? i think you meant 8 :) 06:37 Sylvertech|3 Well it depends, Exio. 06:38 Sylvertech|3 Are you talking about the Xbox section or the lounge? 06:38 hmmmm obligatory http://www.teleread.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/happy-kid-at-computer.jpeg 06:38 Exio hahahahaha 06:39 Sylvertech|3 hmmmm imagine that, but with a sexuality section 06:40 Sylvertech|3 Oh Goddess™ it just gets worse every time I visit. 06:41 Aqua Hello? 06:41 Aqua Hello? 06:41 VanessaE hi 06:41 Sylvertech|3 Hello 06:42 Sylvertech|3 How wonderful to see you and how terrible that you're here. 06:42 VanessaE wtf? 06:42 Sylvertech|3 Simposons Movie '07 06:42 khonkhortisan_ Hi Aqua 06:43 Aqua Can you help me... http://pastebin.com/WJaArTpf 06:43 khonkhortisan_ oops I have an extra_ 06:43 Aqua Wait. 06:44 Sylvertech|3 Idiot me I need Irrlicht 1.7.2 -.- and not 1.8 or 1.7.3 06:44 VanessaE actually I run 1.8 here 06:44 khonkhortisan The problem is that your slashes are slashed in the wrong direction :P 06:45 Sylvertech|3 lol the fails we see in code 06:45 khonkhortisan Either mailbox:mailbox nodename or minetest/mail/init.lua for the modname 06:45 Sylvertech|3 Oh the LISP brackets *shudder* 06:45 khonkhortisan the \win\ vs. /unix/ slashes 06:46 khonkhortisan and the composite bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua 06:46 VanessaE backslashes for path separators make Linus Torvalds cry :) 06:46 khonkhortisan it's worse when you use both slashes 06:46 Aqua Okay 06:47 khonkhortisan You can either change the nodename or the modname. 06:47 Aqua Have you checked Gameboom server, khonkhortisan? 06:47 khonkhortisan not recently 06:47 Aqua Yeah, its a mess 06:47 khonkhortisan oh yeah, I did. Couldn't find my house anymore. 06:49 Sylvertech|3 Perhaps it woud be easier to allow each person to claim land as his own, and limit it to a number of squares, and then increase them when promoted. 06:50 Sylvertech|3 It would, however, make PVP less fun. 06:50 M|Infinity_69 Hi 06:50 Aqua Do any of you have a copy of 0gb_us's morechests? 06:50 Sylvertech|3 I mean, Imagine finding a Nyan block and another person claiming it before you. 06:50 M|Infinity_69 Hey aqua 06:50 Aqua H 06:50 Aqua Hi* 06:51 M|Infinity_69 It was my bday yesterday 06:51 khonkhortisan I don't like having to own the land when it involves the beurocracy of getting a land use permit. 06:51 M|Infinity_69 Got 14 06:51 khonkhortisan *turned 06:52 Sylvertech|3 So perhaps something more like factions? 06:52 M|Infinity_69 Dont judge me, im estonian 06:52 Sylvertech|3 OMG ESTONIAN KILL HIM. 06:52 khonkhortisan No judging given. 06:52 M|Infinity_69 NOOO! 06:52 Sylvertech|3 *gets out world atlas* 06:53 Sylvertech|3 Is that in Africa or something? 06:53 Sylvertech|3 lol 06:53 M|Infinity_69 Its between finland and latvia 06:53 khonkhortisan The wikipedia needs a stronger border around the flag, it looks like it only has two colors 06:53 khonkhortisan *page needs 06:53 M|Infinity_69 Found it yet? 06:54 MiJyn bye all 06:54 M|Infinity_69 Bye 06:54 MiJyn thanks :) 06:54 khonkhortisan north of germany, east of norway 06:54 M|Infinity_69 U talkin 2 me? 06:54 Aqua Cya 06:54 khonkhortisan maybe. 06:54 M|Infinity_69 No, aqua, no 06:55 M|Infinity_69 Aqua - Barbie girl 06:55 M|Infinity_69 Aqua, i didnt know you sing o.o 06:56 M|Infinity_69 XD 06:56 Aqua Yep, I do 06:56 Aqua fine 06:56 M|Infinity_69 Since when? 06:56 ShiftyCake Now I'm not Aquas 06:56 M|Infinity_69 The ShiftyCake is a lie! 06:56 ShiftyCake Aqua* 06:57 khonkhortisan ...so shifty when I lie... 06:57 Guest10101 There 06:57 Sylvertech|2 omg etymology is so wonderful. 06:57 khonkhortisan 22? 06:57 Sylvertech|2 ShiftyCake - "CakeLier" 06:58 M|Infinity_69 Guest10101 = slender 06:58 khonkhortisan 21. I was off. 06:58 khonkhortisan Hi Sylvertech|4 06:58 M|Infinity_69 How many sylvertech 's are there? 06:59 khonkhortisan 1 2 + 1 4 = 2 6 :) 06:59 M|Infinity Hi 06:59 M|Infinity_69 Oh noes 06:59 khonkhortisan We still know who you are 07:00 M|Infinity_69 I hate you, slender 07:00 khonkhortisan I'd like to name change, but it affects the other channels I'm on, and they might not get the joke. 07:01 * khonkhortisan uses pull requests instead of pushing straight to the repo 07:01 M|Infinity_69 M|Infinity is on these channels: #p0rn #gay #dumb 07:02 khonkhortisan_th Ji 07:02 M|Infinity_69 Thats what she said xD 07:02 khonkhortisan J'ello 07:02 khonkhortisan_ Lol 07:02 M|Infinity_69 Hey aqua, u jelly? 07:02 Sylvertech|2 lol Only one Sylvertech 07:02 khonkhortisan I was just khonkhortisan_ 19 minutes ago 07:02 Sylvertech|2 But my connection is retarded 07:03 * khonkhortisan _ 07:03 * khonkhortisan _ 07:03 * khonkhortisan _ 07:03 * M|Infinity_69 is agent Infinity_69 07:03 M|Infinity_69 .i. 07:04 M|Infinity_69 .l.. 07:04 Sylvertech|2 Meh. 07:04 Sylvertech|2 Almost forgot I have terms tomorrow. 07:04 khonkhortisan_ I'm so tired....snore 07:04 Sylvertech|2 I should start studying or something instead of compiling. 07:04 khonkhortisan it's an hour past my bedtime 07:04 khonkhortisan_ Hi 07:05 sfan5 hi 07:05 khonkhortisan_ And what time might that be? 07:05 Sylvertech|2 8pm I think 07:05 M|Infinity_69 If yould have underwear and a butt, i would pull your underwear right up your butt 07:05 khonkhortisan I might be able to kick myself if I swap names with myself and then identify again 07:05 khonkhortisan 10pm 07:05 Sylvertech|2 toodle-oo 07:05 * M|Infinity_69 requests underwear pull 07:06 VanessaE someone just give him an atomic wedgie. 07:06 khonkhortisan atomics can be permanent. 07:06 M|Infinity_69 Not to me, to aqua, that nicklamer 07:07 M|Infinity_69 Ouch 07:07 khonkhortisan Nothing on this page of chat is related to the topic, but no one cares atm until someone has something topic-related to say. 07:07 M|Infinity_69 Khonkhoritsan_ is aqua 07:07 khonkhortisan yep 07:07 khonkhortisan_ How do you open a GZ file? 07:08 M|Infinity_69 With h2o 07:08 khonkhortisan with ark 07:08 khonkhortisan_ without 7zip 07:08 M|Infinity_69 Get it? Aqua and h2o 07:08 khonkhortisan_ without downloading anything 07:08 khonkhortisan gzip 07:08 khonkhortisan_ without downloading anything 07:08 * khonkhortisan missed the joke 07:08 khonkhortisan You must have a pre-installed program that can handle that compression format. 07:08 M|Infinity_69 Rrsly? 07:09 M|Infinity_69 Giyf 07:09 khonkhortisan Or upload it to an unpacking website and pretend you didn't redownload. 07:10 M|Infinity_69 Let`s play Aqua 07:10 M|Infinity_69 XD 07:10 khonkhortisan ^ smart quote? 07:10 M|Infinity_69 Lawlwut? 07:10 khonkhortisan `‘’' 07:10 M|Infinity_69 Finaly 07:11 khonkhortisan nope, you used a backtick as an apostrophe 07:11 M|Infinity_69 I dont give a shit, but my dog does. 07:11 M|Infinity_69 XD 07:12 Aqua I knew you were trouble when you walked in! 07:12 khonkhortisan_ I was going to change to Aqua_ but I don't see how 07:12 M|Infinity_69 Aqua, you asshole 07:12 khonkhortisan_ I'm khonkhortisan 07:12 Aqua Damn! Aqua is already registered 07:13 Aqua @M|Infinty_69 :;-) 07:13 Aqua ;-)* 07:13 Aqua_ There we go. 07:13 Aqua_ This is registered too. 07:13 khonkhortisan Back to my usual self. 07:14 M|Infinity_69 07:14 khonkhortisan $kickban has no idea who its target is 07:16 M|Infinity_69 Is there a mobile version of python 2 or 3? 07:16 Aqua I turned physically 10 a week ago and mentally 4 or 5 :P 07:17 M|Infinity_69 That makes total sense 07:17 M|Infinity_69 Aqua, you know lkwid right? On ze forums 07:18 Aqua I think so..yeah. 07:19 M|Infinity_69 Why does (s)he use so many comas? 07:19 Aqua (s)he does? 07:19 M|Infinity_69 After every fifth word there lies a coma 07:21 Aqua Don't I use alot of comas? 07:21 * Aqua sobs 07:21 M|Infinity_69 Idk. 07:21 Aqua *Sobs* 07:21 Aqua I, feel, offended.. 07:22 M|Infinity_69 Hey, make a java2 mobile edition (j2me) game like mt 07:23 M|Infinity_69 VanessbE lets 69 xD 07:23 M|Infinity_69 Vanessae 07:23 VanessaE ... 07:24 M|Infinity_69 XD 07:24 M|Infinity_69 Ijk 07:33 OldCoder VanessaE, PM 07:46 Aqua Hey OldCoder! 07:48 khonkhortisan he's been sucked into a pm and can't hear you in the private mansion 07:49 Aqua How do you pm? 07:53 OldCoder 07:54 OldCoder Aqua, depends on the client program 07:54 OldCoder One way is just to do /msg MrBacon hello 07:54 OldCoder where MrBacon is the person you wish 07:57 * VanessaE wonders how many messages the real MrBacon has received thus far ;) 08:02 Aqua Lol 08:05 Aqua Brb 08:06 VanessaE ok, off to bed for me 08:06 VanessaE night all 08:30 WiredOnLinux VanessaE 08:30 WiredOnLinux are you here? 08:40 RealBadAngel shes off 08:53 markveidemanis HELLO! 08:54 markveidemanis who can help me with pyhton tkinter 09:02 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73615#p73615 09:04 Sylvertech Hello. 09:12 markveidemanis Calinou 09:12 markveidemanis Can you help with tkinter 09:12 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73615 09:15 Jordach 'sup 09:16 Sylvertech Oh Goddess™ I only now saw the developer's wiki. 09:19 * Calinou shrugs 09:19 Calinou how is that related to minetest too ;) 09:19 Sylvertech How is the developer's wiki related to Minetest? 09:20 Sylvertech 0.o 09:20 Calinou because it is a developer wiki? :D 09:22 Sylvertech http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page 09:22 Sylvertech Oh do you mean that I should go to #minetest-dev ? 09:22 Jordach devs hang in here too Sylvertech 09:23 Sylvertech phew 09:23 Jordach eg, hmmm, celeron55, VanessaE, thexyz etc 09:23 Sylvertech Every time I breath in that other channel they tell me its not theme-related. 09:23 Jordach Calinou often tries trolling. 09:23 Sylvertech Anyway I was discussing how Oculus Rift can be implemented in games. 09:23 Jordach Sylvertech, hm, depends really if you've stumbled in the middle of a conversation 09:23 Calinou occulus rift* 09:23 Sylvertech No. 09:23 Calinou again 09:24 * Calinou spawns more ogros in the room 09:24 Sylvertech Ogros? 09:24 Sylvertech :D 09:24 Jordach lol 09:24 Sylvertech So will any of you buy the headset? 09:25 Jordach Sylvertech, no thank you, my rival Triton AX180 is better 09:25 Sylvertech hmmm 09:25 Sylvertech lol one more m and I would have PMed him. 09:26 Jordach ffs 09:26 Sylvertech Wait 09:26 * Jordach tries to get MC working in Xubuntu, which works fine in Mint 12 09:26 Sylvertech The Triton Ax180 is a stero headset -.- 09:26 Jordach 09:27 Jordach AX180 09:27 Jordach don't make me bring the box out! 09:27 Calinou Sylvertech: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/ogros.jpg 09:27 Sylvertech Well actually it has two t's 09:28 Sylvertech ;) 09:28 Calinou Jordach: install openjdk-7-jdk 09:28 Calinou or openjdk-7-jre if you never plan on developing java stuff 09:29 * Jordach prefers Oracle Java 09:29 * Jordach is a lazy cunt. 09:29 Calinou oracle java isn't any faster today and has more security bugs :P 09:29 Calinou openjdk works just fine for me 09:30 Sylvertech So what is meant by 3D players in Minetest? 09:31 Sylvertech *new dude* 09:31 markveidemanis Calinou: do you know TKinter 09:33 Calinou no 09:33 * Calinou found a complete non-sense topic in the offtopic section of the minetest forum 09:33 * Calinou takes the topic in his hands, folds it like a piece of paper 09:33 * Calinou throws the piece of paper in the Trash® 09:38 * Jordach gives Calinou Not Tetris 2 09:40 kaeza hi all 09:41 markveidemanis HI 09:42 RealBadAngel hi 09:43 markveidemanis hi 09:43 markveidemanis hi 09:43 Jordach hm? 09:43 Jordach dafuq? 09:43 markveidemanis__ Hi 09:43 markveidemanis__ kaeza 09:43 iqualfragile hi guys 09:43 Jordach i head off for five secs and is seeing shit hit the fan 09:43 Jordach and im * 09:45 markveidemanis hi 09:45 RealBadAngel fixed that old bug with using [ in search patterns 09:45 markveidemanis du u kno tkinter? 09:45 kaeza !g tkinter manual 09:45 kaeza markveidemanis, ^ 09:45 RealBadAngel UI will no longer crash because of it 09:46 Jordach RealBadAngel, did you mean: Minetest no longer crashes with [ and ] entered into UI 09:46 RealBadAngel yes 09:46 RealBadAngel ] wasnt the problem 09:46 RealBadAngel [ was 09:47 Jordach dafuq 09:49 Sylvertech So I went to a coding forum I know and I think I got a bunch of people to come over. 09:50 Sylvertech Open-source software just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. 09:50 markveidemanis yuck! 09:50 markveidemanis why warm? 09:50 Sylvertech -.- 09:50 kaeza markveidemanis, please stop sending memos 09:51 markveidemanis theres no opint in me answering that because you cant see it anyway, so i have know idea why i bothered to type this 09:51 markveidemanis *point 09:51 Sylvertech Well, as compared to "cold", feeling warm inside is commonly associated with feelings opposed to "boredom", " negative "emotional emptienss", and "melancholia". 09:52 kaeza markveidemanis, I have only /ignored your PRIVS 09:52 kaeza I can still see you 09:52 markveidemanis so there was no point in me PM you asking what PRIV meant 09:52 Jordach markveidemanis, PRIV is PMs 09:52 Jordach DUHEP 09:53 kaeza markveidemanis, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tkinter+manual 09:55 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 09:55 kaeza hi PA 09:56 Sylvertech So zis is ze Pilz zey speek ov. 09:56 Jordach Sylvertech, he wants to be called PilzAdam or Adam 09:56 Sylvertech Drug-Addict-Phobia? 09:56 Sylvertech I understand. 09:57 Jordach Sylvertech, pilz means Mushroom 09:57 Sylvertech K then. 09:57 Sylvertech rephrase: 09:57 Sylvertech So zis is ze Shroom zey speek ov. 09:58 Jordach kaeza, one screenshot coming right up! 09:58 markveidemanis Show me something awesome, im bored 09:59 markveidemanis i want to say 'HOLY SHIT' out loud 09:59 Sylvertech Define Awesome. 09:59 Sylvertech Oh kay then. 09:59 Sylvertech one sec. 09:59 Jordach annoyance 09:59 Jordach DNS server not availible 09:59 Sylvertech http://www.gogetaroomie.com/ 09:59 Sylvertech www.oglaf.com 09:59 markveidemanis Extremely impressive or daunting; inspiring great admiration, apprehension, or fear. 09:59 Sylvertech ^ 10:00 Jordach okay...thats it 10:00 markveidemanis nope 10:00 Sylvertech Not even Oglaf? 10:02 Sylvertech Ok then look at this. 10:02 Sylvertech http://nanohikakou.deviantart.com/art/Silent-Confession-357247337 10:03 kaeza markveidemanis, go to C:\WINDOWS and delete System32; that gives you lots of enjoyment 10:03 Jordach1 broken DNS i think 10:03 kaeza NOTE: DON'T DO THAT! 10:04 Sylvertech Don't listen to Kaeza 10:04 markveidemanis i would love to do that 10:04 Sylvertech I'll tel you how to do it properly. 10:04 Sylvertech 1. Burn a Linux to a DVD 10:04 markveidemanis i would love to delete windows but can i use sudo ? LOL 10:04 Sylvertech 2. Sneakers from it. 10:04 Sylvertech err... boot 10:05 Sylvertech 3. Delete all files on disks. 10:05 Sylvertech 4. ?? 10:05 Sylvertech 5. $$ 10:05 kaeza 5. Profit 10:05 kaeza ninja'd 10:05 Sylvertech :) 10:05 markveidemanis it'd be so ironic: 10:05 Sylvertech Is there any body else with a deviantart binge problem? 10:05 markveidemanis me posting a picture of this chat in a linux window 10:06 Sylvertech Not really. 10:06 Sylvertech I'm using Windows 7 but my soul is not entirely empty yet, 10:06 * Jordach1 thanks Google's Public DNS 10:06 kaeza Jordach1, SCREEEEEEEN??? 10:07 Jordach1 http://i.imgur.com/LYtuEjw.png# 10:07 Jordach1 http://i.imgur.com/LYtuEjw.png * 10:07 Jordach1 aw man 10:07 Jordach1 my link almost had "jew" 10:07 Sylvertech So you're saying NONE ELSE HAVE DEVIANTART BINGE PROBLEMS? 10:07 Jordach1 yup 10:08 Sylvertech pity 10:08 kaeza Jordach1, new tex pack? 10:08 Jordach1 all aseprite 10:08 markveidemanis oh the irony: http://i45.tinypic.com/29zsi9i.png 10:08 Jordach1 grass is a holster 10:08 kaeza cool 10:09 kaeza looks like you found it useful :) 10:10 Sylvertech It is a bit too late for metallic adverbs right now. 10:10 Sylvertech markveidemanis: 10:10 Jordach1 BULLSHIT is it late 10:10 kaeza lol markveidemanis is bugging #python too 10:11 Jordach1 "-Sylvertech- VERSION KVIrc 4.2.0 svn-6190 'Equilibrium' 20120701 - build 2012-07-04 14:48:08 UTC - Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) Service Pack 1 (Build 7601)" -- oh noes 10:11 Jordach1 WINDOWS 7 10:11 Jordach1 Sylvertech, you has windows 7 10:12 kaeza nice :) 10:12 kaeza xchat 10:12 Sylvertech Yes 10:13 Sylvertech I need it to play some commercial games. 10:13 Sylvertech Well, I also have Windows XP and two dozen Linux distros, but you don't see me bragging. 10:13 Jordach1 Sylvertech, steam is on ubuntu GET OVER HERE 10:13 kaeza Sylvertech, you get fuzzy by opensource, yet you play commercial games? O.o 10:14 Sylvertech 1. Jordach1 my internet connection is not good enough to download via Steam. I live in Lebanon. 10:14 kaeza ProTip™: you can also play those games on Linux 10:14 Sylvertech 2. kaeza Your point? 10:14 Jordach1 3. Linux will win 10:15 kaeza 4. Just Kidding 10:15 Jordach1 5. Linux is cheap 10:15 Sylvertech Anyway I love Linux and hate Windows but what do you expect me to do? 10:15 Sylvertech Not play any video games? 10:15 kaeza 6. no seriously, JOIN US 10:15 Sylvertech -.- 10:15 Sylvertech Dudes. 10:15 Sylvertech I have Linux on my other PC and dual shoe-d on this one. 10:16 kaeza Sylvertech, I play Warcraft3, HL2/CSS, NFS:MW, ..., all under Wine 10:16 Sylvertech Good for you. 10:16 Sylvertech +Cookie 10:16 Sylvertech lol 10:16 Sylvertech Anyway here I get everything cracked. 10:16 Sylvertech Seriously there is not regulation in this country. 10:17 Sylvertech 3D Max pro is 2$. 10:17 Sylvertech along with Maya3D and all the Autodesk programs in the same disk. 10:17 kaeza Sylvertech, you can get that if you are in the right circles ;) 10:17 Jordach1 TPB FTW 10:17 kaeza anywhere in the world 10:17 Jordach1 also 10:17 Sylvertech lol will you at least try to understand what Lebanon IS? 10:18 Sylvertech Yeah, thought so. 10:19 Jordach if i want windows games, i'll open virtualbox 10:19 markveidemanis kaeza 10:19 markveidemanis global var 10:19 markveidemanis var = "define" 10:19 markveidemanis is that right? 10:19 kaeza yep 10:20 markveidemanis http://bpaste.net/show/GcWSmdotMq3D2Qtbto1u/ 10:20 markveidemanis it just wont work 10:20 Sylvertech So you are saying that if I completey switch over I'll have no problems whatsoever? -.- 10:20 kaeza markveidemanis, dafuq 10:20 markveidemanis its a test 10:21 Sylvertech WOOT EPICA DISCOGRAPHY TORRENT COMPLETE 10:21 kaeza markveidemanis, the 'var' python sees in the if(...) is not the same 'var' it seens *after* global var 10:21 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 10:22 markveidemanis could you correct the code? i really cant 10:22 kaeza markveidemanis, I won't do your homework for you ;) 10:23 Jordach lolol 10:23 Jordach my school chose C++ 10:23 markveidemanis i just do the storyline and i cant do that without making this work properly 10:23 Jordach oh look. it's pussy / pathetic python 10:24 kaeza Jordach, back on school, we had only *plain* C; but then, the Lisp nation attacked! 10:24 kaeza fuck Lisp 10:24 Jordach kaeza, same 10:25 kaeza I think programming languages that need more parentheses than code are gay 10:26 Jordach kaeza, http://scratch.mit.edu 10:26 Jordach >:) 10:26 kaeza fuck no >:( 10:26 markveidemanis im not starting from scratch 10:26 markveidemanis i already have code! 10:27 Jordach im not starting from scratch -- ZING 10:27 iqualfragile linux is crap, why would you use it 10:27 Jordach well ctcp version help 10:27 Jordach s* 10:28 markveidemanis kaeza, please help 10:28 Jordach markveidemanis, how about GOOGLE IT 10:28 markveidemanis dont you think i tried that ? 10:28 iqualfragile Jordach: why did you ctcp me? 10:28 Jordach iqualfragile, just checking if you werent bullshitting 10:29 kaeza iqualfragile, commercial = you pay+dev does not give a damn; floss=you *don't* pay, dev does not give a damn. which should I prefer? 10:29 Jordach and yes, xubuntu's dictionary has bullshitting in it 10:29 Jordach foss* 10:29 iqualfragile well, actualy windows WORKS linux does not 10:29 Jordach oh crap 10:29 Jordach we need markt. stat 10:30 Sylvertech lol 10:30 Sylvertech Linux doesn't work? 10:30 kaeza by now, he would've prolly ripped iqual's head off lol 10:30 Sylvertech You know how to burn an image to a Cd, right? 10:31 Sylvertech Anyway any one cares for Magic The Gathering? 10:31 kaeza nope 10:31 Sylvertech Meh, 10:31 markveidemanis kaeza, i really have no idea what to do now 10:32 Sylvertech Oh also. 10:32 Sylvertech www.menagea3.net 10:32 markveidemanis and i can't ask someone else because you made the api 10:32 kaeza markveidemanis, python takes both 'var's as different ones; that is a problem of scope visibility. Does that ring a bell? 10:33 markveidemanis i know that...but i dont know how to fix it 10:33 kaeza how about you tell python you meant *both* 'var's are the same one? 10:33 Sylvertech You have to define it that way kaeza. 10:33 Sylvertech Its just a short sample of code. 10:34 PilzAdam markveidemanis, the normal procedure is: 1) learn how to progra; 2) 10:34 Sylvertech global x 10:34 PilzAdam *program 2) code 10:34 PilzAdam not the other way round 10:34 kaeza you need to tell python the first reference to 'var' is global; to do that, move the 'global var' *before* you access it 10:35 Sylvertech Well Adam having an ongoing project gives incentives to continue learning. 10:35 Sylvertech Sometimes regex can be a grueling subject without a lifeline. 10:35 markveidemanis so at the top? 10:35 Sylvertech YES 10:35 markveidemanis global var 10:35 markveidemanis var = "1" 10:35 markveidemanis ? 10:36 kaeza markveidemanis, define what you mean by 'top' 10:36 markveidemanis where the variable is 10:36 markveidemanis literally the first line 10:36 kaeza ... 10:36 Jordach lol regex 10:36 Sylvertech for shits sake just send me a pastebin pic and I'll edit it, 10:37 kaeza Sylvertech, I could've done that, but the point is he learns how to do it 10:37 Sylvertech Good point. 10:37 markveidemanis http://bpaste.net/show/D4GijaMZsJaaJNY1LTi5/ 10:37 Sylvertech *clears throat* 10:37 markveidemanis lol :D 10:38 Sylvertech Inside the class method, and before you access the variable, politely ask the main() to use the "global var" 10:38 Jordach eh hum. gentlemen. 10:38 M|Infinity_69 Hey 10:38 kaeza hi M| 10:38 M|Infinity_69 Lol 10:38 kaeza yes, I'm too lazy to hit tab 10:38 Sylvertech uhm 10:39 M|Infinity_69 Sup 10:39 Sylvertech You don't need a "global var" for every if-else clause. 10:39 M|Infinity_69 Santa? 10:39 Sylvertech Just put it at the start of the def steps. 10:40 Sylvertech Wow. I never thought I'd be giving advise about Python. 10:40 Sylvertech Feels good. 10:40 markveidemanis def run_command ( self, ui, cmd ): 10:40 M|Infinity_69 I thought it was php 10:41 Sylvertech Ego LEVEL UP| jerk +10 | 10:41 M|Infinity_69 Lawlwut 10:41 * kaeza is playing Constructor for DOS :D 10:42 Jordach kaeza, DOSBox? 10:42 kaeza yep 10:42 M|Infinity_69 Simion says go fu*k yourself 10:42 Sylvertech Simion FTW 10:42 Sylvertech Sounds like french for monkey. 10:43 kaeza Sylvertech, more like 'ape' 10:44 Sylvertech BTW has anyone seen a monkey mod? 10:44 Sylvertech Like, with climbing and throwing bananas and shit. 10:44 * Jordach would like to remind all passengers that trolling causes turbulence, thank you. 10:45 kaeza u mad bro? 10:45 Sylvertech Well, actually "simian" means monkey, so I was just fancifully pondering. 10:46 kaeza hmm... is that the key of mon? 10:46 kaeza 10:46 Sylvertech What do you know. There is a monkey mod. 10:47 Sylvertech Ah but it does not climb or throw poop or throw anything at all. 10:47 Sylvertech Pity. 10:48 Jordach okay. thats something new 10:48 Jordach anyone using xubuntu here? 10:49 kaeza VE 10:49 Jordach or xfce 10:49 kaeza I use xfce 10:49 kaeza what's the prob? 10:49 Jordach kaeza, on the speaker icon, roll the middle mouse button 10:49 Jordach up and down 10:50 kaeza I have no speaker ico; I use the media keys on my keyboard 10:50 kaeza icon* 10:50 * Jordach derps out 10:50 kaeza BTW, did you know that you can completely define their behavior? 10:51 kaeza for example, running a game when you hit 'E-Mail' 10:51 Jordach yup 10:51 * Jordach hides porn folder with this technique 10:51 Jordach :D 10:52 kaeza lol 10:52 Sylvertech hmmm.. 10:53 kaeza hmmmm... 10:53 kaeza oh! he is not here 10:54 Sylvertech If the monkey needs to reach a block directly in front of him horizontally but not vertically, and ther eare no blocks in a distance above him equal to the stack length +2, then he hed would slowly levitable in his place, much like spiders, and arrive at the block. 10:54 Sylvertech Simple. lol Imagine entering a room to find monkey throwing poop from the chandelier. 10:55 kaeza Jordach, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202013-03-03%2008%3A47%3A53.jpg 10:55 Sylvertech Or perhaps one can use them for mounts. 10:59 Jordach kaeza, 10:59 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/BxVhW 10:59 Jordach ^^ 11:00 Jordach *** 11:02 kaeza Jordach, nice :) all with ASEprite? 11:02 Jordach yes 11:02 Jordach default 256 colours 11:03 Jordach tip for people working on default_cactus_top.png 11:03 Jordach DONT ADD SHADING UNDER the SPIKES 11:03 Jordach as the light comes from the top 11:03 kaeza heh 11:04 * kaeza thinks if it's possible o add realtime shadows to MT... 11:04 kaeza sorry, been playing too much DarkPlaces :/ 11:06 markveidemanis im taking a break from python, anyone wanna play on my server? 11:06 Jordach NO. 11:08 Jordach i've just realized that locked chests in singleplayer are defunct 11:09 Sylvertech So much for the testing 11:10 Sylvertech Anyway how does a monkey mod sound? 11:10 Sylvertech No votes? 11:14 kaeza just go ahead and make it 11:17 Sylvertech Absolutely no responses to my monkey mod suggestion? 11:18 Jordach Sylvertech, were either playing minetest, doing something else or just not giving a damn 11:21 Sylvertech pooh 11:34 markveidemanis kaeza 11:35 Jordach do you own homework 11:35 markveidemanis is there a way to add a button that opens the python script 11:35 markveidemanis for debugging 11:35 markveidemanis and cheating 11:37 Sylvertech Hullow. 11:39 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 11:41 Jordach kaeza, http://i.imgur.com/KDpdlUA.png 11:46 Jordach mesey does it! http://i.imgur.com/zvyxKlj.png 11:52 Jordach Sylvertech, i'm working on some new textures 11:53 Sylvertech yes? 11:54 Sylvertech What about the textures Jordach 11:55 Jordach its a texture pack im devising 11:55 Jordach see if i can replace the current minetest feeling 11:56 Sylvertech Yes please. 11:56 Sylvertech Send me za pix. 11:57 Jordach Sylvertech, you'll see them in the channel every now and then 11:58 Sylvertech oh ok then 11:59 Sylvertech Anyway Jordach how do you feel about a monkey mod? 11:59 Sylvertech Like, with climbing AI and poop throwing. 11:59 Sylvertech Heck, we could use the poop for fertilizer. 12:00 Jordach okay. spotify stop being so DAMN MEAN 12:01 Jordach it's teasing me with MacDonalds 12:03 Sylvertech Why doesn't anyone respond to my proposing poop-flinging monkeys? 12:04 Sylvertech Anyone? 12:07 Jordach hey NekoGloop|Laptop 12:07 NekoGloop|Laptop ello 12:07 * Jordach has been working on a secret Reactor for Technic 12:07 Jordach Arc Reactor 12:09 Jordach generates a shit ton of power, requires HV and it's fucking expensive 12:09 kaeza kaeza, http://i.imgur.com/KDpdlUA.png 12:09 kaeza lovely MESE textures 12:09 kaeza ^_^ 12:09 Jordach kaeza, i wouldnt be surprised if these became minetest default 12:10 * kaeza puts a kitten on NekoGloop|Laptop's laptop 12:10 NekoGloop|Laptop bgfaeui6tjrgshfajtriyocul;yldktrjzi6xo7tpc8ilykiru5ey6435qtaesyrudtifylgu.khf/ov'u][iplukyjthY 12:11 kaeza KSHA-256? 12:11 kaeza :P 12:11 Jordach results. 12:13 Jordach kaeza, worked out why UI bugs 12:13 Jordach in creative 12:14 kaeza Jordach, ? 12:14 Jordach remove creative 12:14 kaeza duh :P 12:16 kaeza never ever use any other inventory mod along with UI, oor viceversa 12:16 kaeza -o 12:18 kaeza lol Jordach plays Contra on the NES? 12:18 kaeza BTW, can you recommend a good NES emu? 12:18 Jordach NESTopia 12:18 Jordach its foss 12:18 kaeza fceux bugs under linux 12:22 Jordach kaeza, ORE WHORE http://i.imgur.com/AqSms0h.png 12:22 kaeza tileability FTW! 12:23 Jordach kaeza, they just look better 12:23 Jordach also, coal and iron edges fir together 12:23 kaeza Jordach, waaay better than the current ones 12:37 * Jordach has a sand castle: http://i.imgur.com/TUYVEt6.png 12:37 Jordach kaeza, ^^ 12:38 kaeza err... is that sandstone? 12:38 Jordach yes and sand 12:38 kaeza ...and...sand? 12:38 Jordach kaeza, placeholders 12:38 Jordach sand is HARD 12:39 kaeza upon further inspection, I see sand has some detain :P 12:40 kaeza detail* 12:40 tripod gn 12:40 * Jordach wonders who tripod is 12:41 kaeza Jordach, http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/neutral-its-something-l.png 12:41 Jordach bbiab 12:41 markveidemanis how do i generate a random 5 digit number in python? 12:41 Jordach GOOGLE IT 12:41 kaeza markveidemanis, import random; i = random.random() 12:41 Jordach kaeza, just dont respond -- humans learn by being told off 12:42 Jordach kaeza, is the sand and sand stone alright? 12:42 kaeza looks good 12:42 kaeza but too yellowish 12:42 kaeza or.. greenish 12:42 kaeza sorry, colorblind 12:43 Jordach kaeza, i cant see it unless i zoom in 12:43 Jordach but then again irl sand is oddly coloured 12:43 Jordach (it comprises of many colours. just looks yellowy-gold since its just rounded down rock.) 12:44 Jordach clay shall be a little different 12:44 kaeza IMHO, sand should be a bit more "pale" 12:44 markveidemanis how do i make varword have a random value? 12:44 kaeza markveidemanis, http://www.google.com/ 12:45 Sylvertech| Amen to Jordach 12:46 Sylvertech| Goddess™ knows I only learned by swallowing entire ebooks and then Googling my traffic off 12:46 kaeza markveidemanis, or alternatively, http://giyf.com/ 12:53 Jordach find clay: http://i.imgur.com/wD9PKoW.png 12:55 kaeza Jordach, is it the one right in the middle? :P 12:55 Jordach kaeza, yup 12:55 Jordach clay is *actually* an ore 12:55 Jordach (yes, im picky about it.) 12:55 Jordach bbiab food 12:58 markveidemanis kaeza 12:58 markveidemanis i have a working text open program... 12:58 markveidemanis but i need it to save 12:58 markveidemanis http://pastebin.com/rNMNiwcL 13:01 Sylvertech| markveidemanis: 13:01 Sylvertech| http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/inputoutput.html#methods-of-file-objects 13:04 markveidemanis but how do i save edited file? 13:04 markveidemanis http://pastebin.com/rNMNiwcL 13:11 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 13:28 * markveidemanis places a kitten on markveidemanis' head 14:05 markveidemanis lol server crash 14:18 * Jordach sighs 14:18 Jordach VanessaE, you about? 14:18 * markveidemanis places a kitten on Jordach's head 14:19 jojoa1997 realbadangel_ 14:40 Sylvertech ugh so much trouble compiling Minetest -.- 14:40 Sylvertech One would think it simple. 14:40 Sylvertech Download the files; start the compiler. 14:40 thexyz it is 14:41 Sylvertech At some point the steps become confusing. 14:41 Sylvertech I think I misunderstood one of them. 14:42 Sylvertech the zlib libraries don't show at the CMake configuration settings, 14:42 Sylvertech but the OpenAL do, 14:42 Sylvertech and one of the .lib libraries is proving hard to compile. 14:43 Sylvertech Suggestions? 14:44 Sylvertech thexyz: what do you think? 14:45 Sylvertech You are a build supplier, if I am not mistaken, 14:45 thexyz windows? 14:46 Sylvertech Yes. The game runs when I downloaded the binary. 14:46 Sylvertech But I want to compile the source myself, but it. just. wont. friggin. end. 14:46 thexyz oh, yes 14:46 thexyz it's tricky under windows 14:47 Sylvertech My thoughts were this: I want to absorb the code, edit it, and contribute. 14:47 Sylvertech Must try to compile once at first so I can start properly. 14:48 Sylvertech But does my simple plan work? Noooo.. 14:48 Sylvertech lol 14:49 jojoa1997 thexyz how do you get linux on a cd 14:49 jojoa1997 or could i use a dvd since it has more storage 14:50 PilzAdam you have to use a dvd for some distros 14:50 Sylvertech it depends on the size 14:50 thexyz I'd suggest usb flash drive 14:50 jojoa1997 i use windows 14:50 jojoa1997 ok 14:50 jojoa1997 what is the best free linux 14:50 Sylvertech Download the disk image online. 14:50 Sylvertech Fedora 14:50 jojoa1997 disk image? 14:50 Sylvertech .ISO file 14:50 thexyz gentoo 14:51 Sylvertech It is the only way to download a linux distro 14:51 kaeza puppy :3 14:51 Sylvertech lol Gentoo 14:51 Sylvertech I'm havign trouble compliling and he mentions Gentoo 14:51 thexyz he asked for "free" 14:51 thexyz you can mask licenses you don't like in gentoo 14:51 jojoa1997 link please 14:51 thexyz http://www.gentoo.org/ 14:51 jojoa1997 what is the best free one where i just download and use 14:51 thexyz gl/hf 14:51 kaeza http://puppylinux.org 14:52 kaeza :3 14:52 thexyz jojoa1997: ubuntu or mint 14:52 jojoa1997 which is better 14:52 thexyz no idea 14:52 jojoa1997 i think i will go with ubuntu 14:53 jojoa1997 bbs gonna make a mod review for my megastools 14:53 markveidemanis get lubuntu: its faster 14:53 markveidemanis and cleaner 14:54 thexyz I'd suggest to try mint 14:54 thexyz its interface is more "classical" 14:54 thexyz why were you asking then? 14:54 thexyz there's no point in getting *buntu 14:54 jojoa1997 cause i want to try it out 14:54 thexyz while you can just replace desktop environment in ubuntu 14:54 jojoa1997 everyone says get linux so i will try it 14:55 jojoa1997 why do people think windows is so bad? 14:55 thexyz because it is? 14:55 jojoa1997 just cause it isnt case sensitive doesnt mean it is all horrible 14:55 jojoa1997 well gtg 14:55 thexyz yeah 14:55 jojoa1997 bbs 14:56 thexyz just because case insensitive 14:56 thexyz just because cmd.exe instead of bash 14:56 thexyz just because \\ instead of / 14:56 thexyz just because C:\ D:\ instead of mount points 14:56 thexyz just because of no centralized repo system 15:00 Sylvertech Just because hiding porn is too easy for little kids 15:02 kaeza lol just stalking the logs of about 8 months ago... seems like thexyz DOES hate cmd.exe 15:02 thexyz of course I do 15:03 kaeza http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-07-01#i_2359504 15:03 thexyz why would one not hate cmd.exe? 15:03 thexyz oh 15:03 thexyz yes 15:03 thexyz 2013, it still cannot 15:05 kaeza try translating x=`grep 'Foo' Bar Baz | sed -e 's/^\([^:]\):[^:]*:\(.*\)'/\1|\2/`` into windows batch syntax 15:05 kaeza lol 15:06 PilzAdam kaeza, easy, "wubi.exe" 15:06 thexyz cygwin 15:08 kaeza PilzAdam, wubi.exe? O.o 15:08 kaeza thexyz, *batch syntax* 15:09 kaeza i.e. using stock cmd.exe 15:09 thexyz hm.. 15:09 thexyz is it possible? 15:11 kaeza thexyz, possible, yes 15:11 kaeza using an awful lot of temp files 15:11 kaeza actually... a single oe 15:11 kaeza one* 15:12 kaeza but i'm still not sure if batch files allows you to read files/pipes/whatever into variables 15:22 * Jordach has learned how to use GIT 15:25 PilzAdam Jordach, CLI? 15:25 Jordach yes 15:25 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/BuildAndShoot 15:27 * _ds_ fiddles with dependency handling 15:27 kaeza cool! google has a zerg rush reference :P 15:38 Sylvertech Someone must go and steal that person's /src/ folder. 15:38 Sylvertech http://procworld.blogspot.co.uk/ 15:58 hmmmm the point of getting lubuntu is not needing to go through all the trouble of switching the desktop environment and having non-shit software preinstalled (looking at you, zeitgeist) 15:58 jojoa1997 the ubuntu discussion is still going on? 15:58 jojoa1997 linux not ubuntu 16:00 thexyz Jordach: http://pcottle.github.com/learnGitBranching/ 16:01 Jordach thexyz, i know 16:03 markveidemanis who does TKinter 16:04 Calinou hmmmm: xubuntu doesn't have zeitgeist too 16:04 hmmmm yeah but xubuntu is just as bloated as regular ubuntu. 16:04 iqualfragile haha, you and your crappy linux distros 16:04 Calinou lubuntu doesn't like mouse wheels 16:05 Calinou 1/10 of the time mouse wheel is ignored 16:05 Calinou and its WM sucks: can't drag a window to un-maximize it 16:05 iqualfragile :D better use windows 8 16:05 iqualfragile it has a better compatibility 16:05 Calinou price? 16:05 Calinou and can I use git easily on it, without using hacks? 16:05 hmmmm maybe lubuntu with xfce installed 16:06 iqualfragile about 50 euro and it wont eat your time 16:06 Calinou there's no difference between both apart from DE 16:06 hmmmm so someone would pay 50 euros to downgrade their computer? 16:06 _ds_ “It'll eat your money and sanity instead.” 16:06 Calinou and a few applications which you can remove or add 16:06 hmmmm hmm 16:06 Calinou also, bloated? my i7 doesn't care 8) 16:06 Calinou it even runs well on my netbook 16:07 Calinou (the inverse: an atom and 1GB RAM, nothing worse than that) 16:07 hmmmm yeah but a lot of people have machines with not as much ram 16:07 Calinou RAM is cheap 16:07 hmmmm the point of lubuntu is: you want a usable, modern OS to put on an older machine 16:08 Calinou quicker way: trash it and build a cheap desktop 16:08 hmmmm just toss it in the garbage 16:08 Calinou much better, lets you use a more convenient OS and do stuff faster 16:08 hmmmm money grows on trees 16:08 * _ds_ needs more memory here 16:08 hmmmm why don't poor people just buy more money? 16:08 Calinou lrn2save 16:08 Calinou and by cheap office PC, I mean 400 euros at most 16:09 thexyz yeah 16:09 Calinou if you don't need more than that 16:09 hmmmm working class? what, is that a school where people go to learn how to work? 16:09 thexyz just eat less, for example 16:09 _ds_ minetest's the only thing which I have which causes swap usage ☺ 16:09 Calinou thexyz: more like, go to your friends' houses, ask for food. 16:09 Calinou trollish but works 16:10 hmmmm man i just don't understand how people can be so inefficient 16:10 hmmmm where did the throw-it-away mentality come from 16:10 hmmmm inefficient peoples' opinions are pretty much worthless, by the way. practically everything they suggest will be a flawed, if not plain horrible idea 16:12 Calinou UH UH: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5582580/ 16:13 Calinou right now @ #minecrafthelp @ espernet :P 16:14 thexyz just point them to http://www.logicalincrements.com/ 16:14 * Calinou tells them instead to buy a mac 16:15 hmmmm ugh falcon's crappy guide 16:15 Calinou hmmmm: lubuntu isn't a bad distro, it just has unacceptable bugs for any "office guy" or a gamer: mouse wheel not working and WM lacking features 16:16 thexyz hmmmm: why? 16:16 hmmmm he has people get a completely unnecessary z77 board for an i3 16:16 hmmmm for ex. 16:17 Calinou these don't fry in normal use, unlike b75/h77 ones 16:17 hmmmm umm 16:17 Calinou these also sell much better when used 16:17 hmmmm none of them do 16:19 Calinou and I bet an aftermarket cooler is unneccary for an i3 too? 16:19 Calinou the intel box fan keeps it from overheating! 16:19 Calinou ;) 16:19 hmmmm .. 16:19 jfu Calinou: i disagree, all ubuntu distros suck 16:19 OWNSyouAll Calinou: the intel box fan works great for my i7 16:19 Calinou for me too, because I'm forced to use it 16:20 Calinou but aftermarket fans 1) cool 20°C better 2) are much more quiet 3) uh... look better 16:20 Calinou jfu: no time to fix arch 16:20 jfu Calinou: haha, you read my mind. now that is a good distro 16:22 Calinou install it for me please 16:22 Calinou and tell the devs to make it user friendly for me too 16:22 Calinou user friendly is a myth, we all have the time to read man pages 16:22 _ds_ Fans with LEDs – why? 16:23 Calinou I didn't say fans with leds, if you find one with leds, you're not forced to plug them 16:23 jfu that is true. just because something has i higher learning threshold doesnt mean it is less user friendly 16:23 jfu i/a 16:23 Calinou no distro prevents you from learning, they just have different starting points 16:24 _ds_ I know, but still… that's usually the alleged ‘look better’. 16:24 Jordach XFCE being at the bottom 16:24 Calinou you'd be surprised by the amount of experienced users using buntus 16:24 Calinou _ds_: yeah, subjective 16:24 Calinou your choice if you think the intel fans look good :P 16:31 sokomine hm 16:31 sokomine hi everyone 16:32 jfu hello 16:32 Sylvertech Hey did you check this ou?http://procworld.blogspot.co.uk 16:33 sokomine i'd like to use towntest for my random_buildings mod as well...modified so that it has a 3d player. but i'm afraid that will cause some problems since those would be blocked by the very structures they build...the 2d-char just goes through the walls 16:33 PilzAdam 3d entities can move through walls too 16:34 sokomine oh? that might be helpful there 16:34 PilzAdam it is relatively simple to use a 3D model 16:34 sokomine still that may look a bit strange :-/ but real path-finding inside my buildings...hm...might be difficult 16:35 sokomine the mobf npc might be best for this. they already got a job as traders 16:37 sokomine hm. it will either look silly or require an algorithm that analyzes the building :-/ 16:38 sokomine maybe the npc could start with the ground floor (which requires detection of a floor) and then analyze where he can walk.... 16:39 jfu Sylvertech: pretty cool demo 16:40 Sylvertech I just want to get my hands on that source code. 16:40 jin_xi sokomine: you can save the pos of the door as the building is spawned 16:40 Sylvertech Damn standarf universe timing, 16:40 Sylvertech Can't I just cryofreeze myself a few thousand years and return later for the simualted porn? 16:43 sokomine the pos of the door is not so much of a problem... 16:43 sokomine or...better...the positions of the doors (since there are several) 16:44 sokomine maybe there's no other way than anylzing the building, finding out at which spots the npc can stand and where he can move up/down (ladders/stairs) 16:48 jojoa1997 what happened to the big list http://imgur.com/yOhe6MN 16:48 PilzAdam jojoa1997, the new list shows only servers that are running and have "enable_public = true" in minetest.conf 16:49 sokomine jojoa: i'm thinking of using towntest for my random_buildings. getting a 3d npc to build the house will be difficult because going through walls will look worse with a 3d one 16:49 PilzAdam they report directly to a central server and the client reads the list from there 16:49 PilzAdam the list will grow if 0.4.5 will get officially released tomorrow 16:50 jojoa1997 will the official release have rivers in its mapgen? 16:50 sokomine it will get released tomorrow? that sounds great! 16:50 sokomine what will be the main changes? 16:52 jin_xi http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog 16:52 Calinou there are two changelogs on that page, for 0.4.5 :P 16:54 kaeza no new comments >:( http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929 16:56 kaeza OG Linus Torvalds joined #minetest??? 16:56 kaeza OMG* 16:56 PilzAdam no, he left ;-) 16:57 kaeza :P 16:57 Calinou I'll try making translations for it (french) ;) 16:57 Calinou à nous les "Briques de pierre" ! 16:58 PilzAdam kaeza, it should be a patch for bultin and automatically be called for description field in register_node 16:58 kaeza Calinou, merci 16:59 kaeza PilzAdam, there are other things that can't be translated easily 16:59 kaeza namely, formspec stuff, and server messages 16:59 sokomine hm. that will be more difficult to handle 17:00 kaeza sokomine, PilzAdam: with the lib, you'll be able to do "button[0,0;1,2;"..S("Hello") ... 17:00 Calinou kaeza: why is your local function named "S"? something like "translate" would be more logical ;) 17:01 kaeza Calinou, to make it mostly transparent 17:01 kaeza borowed from gettext 17:01 kaeza (which uses `_') 17:01 Calinou k 17:01 PilzAdam kaeza, mods can still call S(), but applying it automatically for description will support many mods wich wouldnt be supported otherwise 17:02 kaeza PilzAdam, good point 17:02 kaeza but as I said in the topic, it's a bit experimental 17:02 * PilzAdam hasnt read the topic 17:02 kaeza so I'm seeing if this would get acceptance by mod authors 17:03 * VanessaE pokes Jordach multiple times for not letting her sleep 17:03 rubenwardy hi all 17:04 RealBadAngel hi 17:04 _ds_ First pass at soft dependencies ‒ http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bef323e2/ 17:04 _ds_ Anybody want to test it? 17:04 _ds_ (I'll push it to my repo later) 17:04 Calinou it works! thanks kaeza :) 17:05 kaeza Calinou, screenie? 17:05 Calinou game starts without intllib too, that's nice 17:05 kaeza yep 17:05 kaeza it's a "soft depend" 17:05 kaeza the mod's init.lua does nothing, so you have to explicitly test for it's presence, and load the intllib.lua file manually 17:06 kaeza that's what the snippet does 17:06 Calinou http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/c.jpg 17:06 kaeza great! 17:06 jojoa1997 Calinou what works 17:07 Calinou (I'm using freetype font :P) 17:07 Calinou jojoa1997: translating moreblocks 17:07 * _ds_ has to keep remembering that soil is called ‘dirt’ 17:07 rubenwardy someone deleted my speed up MT advise 17:07 VanessaE good afternoon all. 17:07 Calinou _ds_: see, xubuntu is so bloated, look at my CPU/RAM usage :P 17:07 Calinou hi VanessaE 17:07 kaeza afternoon VanessaE 17:07 * Calinou just translated a string in moreblocks 17:07 _ds_ Calinou, FWIW, Debian with Xfce here ☺ 17:07 VanessaE Calinou: but still no 3d renders? :) 17:07 kaeza Calinou, I have a spanish translation of moreores ready 17:08 VanessaE _ds_: good. :) 17:08 kaeza I can translate moreblocks too :) 17:08 jojoa1997 Calinou 17:08 VanessaE _ds_: sorry for the extreme lag last night - it took forever to clean up all the broken lighting 17:08 Calinou feel free to do that and send me the locale file 17:08 Calinou going to translate moreblocks for now 17:08 _ds_ VanessaE, that was more this morning from my POV, but never mind that ☺ 17:08 jojoa1997 could you please make the panels for moreblocks be in a fixed position 17:08 VanessaE well whatever :) 17:09 * _ds_ keeps on hitting bbox issues with tarmac/asphalt 17:09 _ds_ (collision bboxes are fine, but selection bboxes aren't) 17:09 Sylvertech Why is this even possible. 17:09 Sylvertech https://boards.4chan.org/t/res/552219#p552219 17:09 Calinou kaeza: looks like I can't translate the print message when loading mod, do I need to escape [ and ]? I tried doing that and it still doesn't work 17:09 jin_xi hey guys, i need help with painting mod. what would be the best and simplest way to craft colored brushes? is it doable now from default? 17:10 kaeza hmm 17:10 Calinou print(S("[moreblocks] loaded.")) 17:10 Calinou \[moreblocks\] loaded. = \[moreblocks\] a été chargé. 17:10 sokomine what botheres me with mt is that it lately often does not safe changes - changes that where done 1-2 hours ago by me in singleplayer, changes that where done with worldedit (so serverside) 17:11 sokomine it's not a "ran out of disk space" issue this time 17:11 jojoa1997 Calinou could you please make the panels for moreblocks be in a fixed position 17:11 VanessaE eek 17:11 jojoa1997 so it can be compatable with mesecons 17:12 Calinou no, tell jeija to put mesecons in his pressure plate recipe 17:12 Sylvertech After much research I discovered that at least 0.1% of 4chan is not porn 17:12 Calinou it's logical and doesn't break all my recipes 17:12 sokomine jinx: hm. unifieddyes might come to mind for brushes...and maybe stick + wool... 17:12 sokomine the dyes are not in defalt 17:12 kaeza Calinou, actually, the only thing that needs to be escaped is '=' (because it's used as delimiter in the locale file) 17:13 kaeza but I should fix that 17:13 Calinou weird, it works now 17:13 Calinou removed the \ 17:13 Calinou [moreblocks] a été chargé. from the console :P 17:13 kaeza cool :P 17:13 kaeza of course, it can also escape things like \n\t\r 17:14 kaeza '\r' is translated to "" 17:14 jojoa1997 Calinou it isnt logical to have mesecons in a pressure plate 17:15 jojoa1997 why do all your recipes have to be shapless because that will cause problems with mods in the future 17:15 kaeza Calinou, also, when you have to output other variables with the message, use format() 17:16 Calinou kaeza: your mod should be put in default game, in the "default" mod instead of being a separate mod, and without the S() part, would be nice :D 17:16 kaeza example: instead of print(S("You have ")..x..S(" items")) 17:16 * _ds_ foresees handling of alternatives for crafting output 17:16 kaeza do S("You have %d items"):format(x) 17:17 kaeza Calinou, I will implement PilzAdam's suggestion to translate item descriptions by default, but the S() "macro" would be needed for other complicated stuff 17:18 kaeza s/would/could/ 17:19 Calinou ok :) 17:27 kaeza ok, just one question: this should go in minetest/builtin right? 17:28 kaeza I think it cannot be put into default mod, because I have to intercept calls to minetest.register_*() 17:29 Jordach VanessaE, should i start getting on with this: http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#TODO_in_minetest_game 17:32 VanessaE Jordach: think you can take it on? do it. 17:32 VanessaE but please, no Ender-xxx stuff :( 17:32 Jordach VanessaE, i know there's a diamonds mod 17:32 VanessaE yep 17:32 VanessaE and moreores 17:33 Jordach actually, fuck it 17:33 VanessaE and a fuckload of others 17:33 Jordach fuck diamonds, gloopores ftw 17:33 Jordach :3 17:33 VanessaE some of them would work quite nicely if just dropped right into minetest_game 17:33 VanessaE hmmmm: ^^^^^ 17:33 VanessaE let's make this easy. 17:33 Jordach moreblocks has all the content needed for slabs 17:33 VanessaE yep 17:33 hmmmm gloopores are honestly too weird 17:33 VanessaE moreblocks, moreores, diamonds will cover a great deal of our needs. 17:34 Jordach beat me there 17:34 VanessaE gloopores is fine for a creative server but maybe it doesn't belong in minetest_game 17:34 Calinou moreblocks, moreores, diamonds will cover a great deal of our nerds. 17:35 VanessaE that too 17:35 VanessaE hmmmm: how about we just end this debate and put the latest git of those three into minetest_game? 17:35 VanessaE assuming they're bug-free at present 17:36 Sylvertech Agreed 17:36 hmmmm honestly isn't it a bit too late to do that 17:36 VanessaE not right now 17:36 VanessaE I mean after the freeze 17:36 hmmmm yeah 17:37 hmmmm he ctcp timed me 17:37 VanessaE who? 17:37 Sylvertech lol me 17:37 VanessaE pingflood Sylvertech! :) 17:37 Sylvertech -.- 17:37 hmmmm it took a whole ? seconds 17:37 Calinou ^ 17:38 Sylvertech I just wanted to make sure you're not all agreeing because you're tired. 17:38 Sylvertech Now, onto the next ones. 17:38 VanessaE 12:38pm here 17:38 VanessaE I'm quite awake 17:38 VanessaE :) 17:38 Jordach VanessaE, i'm working on a new texture pack 17:39 kaeza Calinou, just asking, but does this work with accented characters and stuff? 17:39 Sylvertech It is &:38 here 17:39 Sylvertech 7:38 17:39 kaeza I can't test that right now 17:39 jojoa1997 with the new finite water stuff when you get water using a bucket you cant get anymore 17:39 jojoa1997 if you use a 2x2 square of water 17:40 markveidemanis thats called an infinite source 17:40 jojoa1997 i will show video of what i mean 17:40 markveidemanis we know 17:40 Calinou kaeza: yes, just fine, even with capital accented characters 17:41 kaeza ah good. 17:41 kaeza so mt supports UTF-8 ^_^ 17:43 Calinou freetype ftw 17:46 thexyz it doesn't 17:47 thexyz it supports ucs-2 in few places (like chat) 17:51 jojoa1997 here is the problem i was talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQmcMMAqMJc&feature=youtu.be 17:51 jojoa1997 also what does water relax tdo i dont understand what it means in the minetest.conf.example 17:52 thexyz proller: ^ 17:53 jojoa1997 also if you have S=source, F=flowing then it should be regenerating water 17:53 jojoa1997 SF 17:53 jojoa1997 FS 17:55 proller relax - for making all water to source in big lakes 17:55 jojoa1997 ok what does relax 4 do compared to relax 1 17:56 proller need only 1 source around to add levels to make self source 17:56 Sylvertech I really hate this stereotype where all Americans are shows as idiots 17:56 proller or 4 17:57 Sylvertech I mean, what aboud Europeans, Asians, Africans, and Australians 17:57 Sylvertech ? 17:57 Sylvertech They are all idiots too. 17:57 jojoa1997 how big of a pool would i need to make self regenerating water 17:57 * _ds_ is suddenly from Antarctica 17:57 jojoa1997 or what defines a lake 17:58 proller it must be deeper than 1 level 17:58 RealBadAngel water shall not regenerate imho 17:58 proller 2x2 with relax=1 will work 17:58 RealBadAngel it will become impossible then to pump out a lake 17:58 proller RealBadAngel, its adjustable, regenerating save cpu 17:58 RealBadAngel which is whole fun of finite liquids 17:59 jojoa1997 what does relax 4 do? 17:59 proller need only 4 source around to add levels to make self source 18:00 RealBadAngel only way for water to regenerate shall be the rain 18:00 proller liquid_relax =0 ; liquid_fast_flood = 0 -> true finite and not renewable 18:00 codile any good pvp servers? i found one on forum.minetest.net, but i think it's full already 18:00 jojoa1997 and 2 deep right/ 18:00 proller RealBadAngel, and snow 18:00 RealBadAngel yeah 18:01 jojoa1997 nope not working 18:01 RealBadAngel introducing infinite sources back into finite liquids is just nonsense 18:01 proller and now you can set source with param2=128 - will be regenerated 18:01 jojoa1997 ? 18:02 proller like https://gist.github.com/proller/4987328 18:02 proller jojoa1997, not renewable with relax=1 ? 18:02 sokomine it would be nice as well if table + chair + armchair + bed where part of a default mod. furniture is an important thing minetest has 18:03 jojoa1997 a 2x2? 18:03 _ds_ Infinite source is fine so long as the generated content can, in general, be removed as fast as it's added. 18:03 sokomine and most people will want moreores as well. and moreblocks are good, too 18:03 sokomine 2x2? 18:03 jojoa1997 there is no renewing water 18:04 _ds_ … or there's some other limiting factor, such as container size 18:04 jojoa1997 XX 18:04 jojoa1997 XX 18:04 jojoa1997 how deep must i make the hole 18:04 _ds_ (removed: in effect, destroyed) 18:06 Vadtec VanessaE: any reason you can think of why leaves for the moretrees trees arent derezing after ive removed their trunks and branches? 18:06 proller jojoa1997, go to h4.setun.net:30000 18:06 sokomine only a small part of water is "lost" in rl...most just get turned into non-drinking water. for mt, simulating rl water behaviour doesn't really work... 18:07 jojoa1997 i think there should be a sponge to collect the lower water so it is not everywhere 18:07 VanessaE Vadtec: are you sure you're running the latest? 18:07 VanessaE I tested it quite thoroughly 18:07 VanessaE or so I thought :) 18:07 sokomine the worst i've encountered regarding water is the minecraft survival way: fill a bucket of water or dig a node at the coast - and you can hardly swim against the gigantic current that will push you around 18:07 Vadtec im running whatever was in the forum post a couple weeks ago when I started playing MT 18:07 jojoa1997 VanessaE did some more tweaking and i think npc is ready but i have to push it 18:08 VanessaE Vadtec: that might be too old - update moretrees and plantlife 18:08 VanessaE jojoa1997: you need a few hours of testing to be sure 18:08 jojoa1997 i cant run it for a few hours 18:08 VanessaE why? 18:08 Vadtec VanessaE: kk 18:08 jojoa1997 i am also doing homework i am getting some lag 18:09 jojoa1997 with one world and only 2 extra light mods and npc 18:18 Vadtec VanessaE: well, they are derezing...but damn slowly 18:18 Vadtec ill update moretrees and plantlife later 18:18 VanessaE they're supposed to. 18:19 VanessaE big trees = fuckloads of leaves, so if I expire them too quickly they'll lag the server 18:21 kaeza hmm... I have an issue with your idea PilzAdam 18:22 kaeza what if the user manually passes a translated description to register_*() ? 18:22 kaeza the automatic translation will look up the a translation of the already translated description 18:23 kaeza hmm 18:27 kaeza anyway, I'll leave it that way, and see if there are any actual problems 18:29 Calinou woo-hoo! added i18n support to stairsplus, and cleaned up code a lot 18:29 kaeza also, am I allowed to modify some other stuff to add support for it? 18:29 kaeza Calinou, great :D 18:32 proller bucket not working on water_float 18:42 thexyz there's no point in i18n done like this 18:42 Calinou kaeza: hit a special case in moreores, how can I differentiate identical strings in english but give them different names in french? 18:42 thexyz can user choose in which language to receive strings from server? 18:42 Calinou %s Ingot = Lingot de %s, but with gold ("or"), I'll have "Lingot de or" which is incorrect, should be "Lingot d'or" 18:43 kaeza thexyz, not currently 18:43 Calinou thexyz: add a client-server sent language string 18:43 Calinou problem solved 18:43 thexyz no 18:43 Vadtec VanessaE: wow...i just watched pipeworks loose a load of items...they just went passed the end of the pipe and then poofed 18:43 kaeza Calinou, actually, that will require more work 18:43 thexyz you'll have to mod the core 18:43 Calinou yes 18:43 Calinou it's not hard to send a minetest.conf setting, at all 18:43 Calinou just a tiny core mod will do :P 18:44 thexyz how do you plan to send node definitions in multiple languages? 18:44 kaeza thexyz, anyway, this is a starting point. and if you play in english servers, well, you are expected to speak english 18:45 Calinou node defs sent to client can differ from the server ones, I think 18:45 Calinou your client needs to see the node defs 18:45 * VanessaE takes what Vadtec passed and sets it loose. 18:45 thexyz kaeza: maybe 18:46 Vadtec heh. 18:46 thexyz well, that's a good start anyway 18:46 Vadtec it seriously just lost like 10 stacks of smooth stone 18:46 Vadtec they were supposed to turn, but just kept right on going 18:46 Vadtec then disappeared 18:47 Vadtec WTF 18:48 Vadtec now they are moving down the pipe again 18:48 * Vadtec checks his server 18:48 kaeza Calinou, fixed the problem you were talking about? 18:49 Vadtec hrm, something is buggy, the mt server keeps spiking to 115% CPU.... 18:49 Sylvertech| Damn this marching cubes algorithm. 18:50 kaeza Calinou, actually, it's hard to implement a generic i18n interface when there are so many mods doing weird things and assuming english language 18:52 kaeza also, with the new automatic translator I'm writing, you can simply say (in the locale file) 18:52 kaeza Gold Ingot = Lingot d'or 18:53 kaeza If you simply put "Gold Ingot" in the description 18:53 kaeza (unadorned) 18:55 Vadtec VanessaE: how long are pine cones supposed to take to pop? 18:56 VanessaE pop? 18:57 VanessaE drop? 18:57 Vadtec yeah, after the tree has derezed 18:57 VanessaE they're supposed to drop as soon as nothing holds them up? 18:57 Vadtec there are loads of them floating in the air 18:57 VanessaE you're definitely out of date then :) 18:58 VanessaE I already fixed that bug :) 18:58 Vadtec ah, kk 19:01 Vadtec VanessaE: i think part of the issue i was having with pipeworks was the pipe section in question was just outside the active_block_range when i sent the items down the pipe 19:01 VanessaE oops! 19:01 kaeza should I also mark console/debug output for translation, or only "hard" errors? 19:01 Vadtec so i dont think those pipes became active quick enough 19:01 VanessaE I thought the entities were queued up? 19:02 Vadtec i thought so too 19:02 Vadtec but it seems in this case they derezed 19:02 Vadtec so i figured out where the chunk boundaries are and shortened my setup accordingly 19:04 Calinou kaeza: no, worked it around 19:04 kaeza Calinou, should I also mark console/debug output for translation, or only "hard" errors? 19:04 Calinou so git is being idiot again, I'm going to delete and create my git repo 19:04 Calinou why not, kaeza :P 19:05 kaeza I mean builtin errors 19:05 Calinou yes 19:05 kaeza ah k :P 19:05 * Calinou starts nuking his git repo: "which country do you hate the most? Italy or France?" 19:05 * Calinou answers: "france" and presses the delete button 19:06 NekoGloop|Laptop Well of course. You live in France, so you know what there is to hate in France more than Italy. 19:08 Calinou https://github.com/Calinou/calinou_mods -- now faster to download because the whole history was removed! 19:14 kaeza what is the defien to enable ttf support? -DENABLE_FREETYPE? 19:14 kaeza define* 19:15 PilzAdam yep 19:15 kaeza thanks 19:15 PilzAdam you can use cmake . -LH to show all the settings 19:16 kaeza ah. that is good to know 19:16 kaeza ok, building again a RUN_IN_PLACE with gettext+freetype 19:17 kaeza hope this translation thing works as expected 19:18 Calinou have to go, bye 19:18 kaeza cya Calinou 19:19 Calinou kaeza: now all my mods are translated to french :P 19:19 Calinou (minus moreblocks stairs/slabs/panels/microblocks) 19:19 kaeza great :P I'll have spanish soon 19:19 Calinou make pull requests 19:35 NekoGloop|Laptop I'll make the Internet translation. 19:56 * ShadowNinja just lost a full chest of stuff on menche's server because of a bug 19:56 VanessaE let me guess 19:57 VanessaE place a block of anything and it replaced the chest? 19:57 VanessaE that's been happening on my server too 19:59 Vadtec VanessaE: i think im gonna add one-way pipes to pipeworks, like in buildcraft 19:59 Vadtec using mese tubes to simulate the same thing is annoying 19:59 VanessaE those might be useful 20:00 Vadtec would be very useful 20:03 ShadowNinja VanessaE: yep 20:03 VanessaE this needs fixed asap. 20:03 * ShadowNinja well be carefull to use only his hand when opening chests now 20:03 ShadowNinja *will 20:03 ShadowNinja agreed 20:04 Jordach right clicking with your hand places air 20:09 VanessaE ShadowNinja: -dev 20:09 VanessaE has someone a log with --verbose of it? 20:14 kaeza just a question: is biomedef.name output anywhere? or is it used only as some kind of identification? 20:15 kaeza okay, leaving that out of translation then 20:17 kaeza too late... we have your IP >:D 20:22 kaeza SUCCESS!! 20:23 kaeza Item descriptions are now translated automatically 20:24 VanessaE cool 20:24 kaeza and... I took the effor to mark for translation most of the messages in 'minimal' 20:24 kaeza effort* 20:25 kaeza (which I hope are the same messages used in minetest_game) 20:27 kaeza lol the tester tool in minimal works as an X-Ray node 20:28 VanessaE I always wondered what that tool was for 20:29 kaeza apparently, it tests lots of "experimental" stuff 20:30 kaeza well, stuff that was experimental in 0.4.1 lol 20:30 kaeza node timers, on_place callbacks, and stuff like that 20:31 kaeza also, it's using pre-0.4 textures 20:31 VanessaE minimal is like that 20:33 kaeza I just find it funny how I forgot those textures after I found what "the real thing" was 20:33 kaeza (that was actually my first post in the forums) 20:34 sokomine btw, is there a solution for the "changed nodes do not get stored" problem i got? the server *does* receive them (it's in the log) - it just quite often does not store them 20:35 VanessaE you sure it isn't a simple permissions issue on your map file? 20:36 kaeza aaaaand client crashed :( 20:36 * sokomine complains about medieval farms beeing relatively large 20:36 sokomine vanessa: yes, i'm sure 20:36 sokomine it gets safed sometimes. and sometimes not 20:36 VanessaE very very weird 20:36 VanessaE unless the server is lagging really REALLY badly or keeps crashing or something? 20:36 kaeza sokomine, disk full by any chance? 20:37 sokomine might be that it hasn't been written back to disc when the client (and subsequently the server in singleplayer) crashes 20:37 sokomine disk full was an issue with that world one. that lost me the seed to that world and my inv :-( but this is no longer the problem 20:39 VanessaE sokomine: quota limit maybe? 20:39 sokomine hmm. no, i don't think so. i'm not using quota 20:39 VanessaE hrm 20:39 VanessaE totally odd. 20:39 sokomine yes 20:39 sokomine might still be a local problem 20:52 ShadowNinja ran mt with verbose and got only "INFO Ground right-clicked" 20:53 sfan5 kaeza: have you seen this? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30267315/Minetest/localisationmod-mt.tar 20:54 kaeza hm? 20:54 sfan5 localiasation done at lua side 20:54 sfan5 reads .po files 20:54 sfan5 (and also creates blank .po files for editing) 20:55 hmmmm if i were doing the protocol, what i would do is send the current locale to the server on startup 20:55 hmmmm so that if the server has localization enabled, it'll gettext all the node definition strings before sending it to that client 20:55 hmmmm might introduce a problem with broadcasting though. 20:57 sfan5 that was my thought too 20:57 kaeza sfan5, Y U NO SAY THIS BEFORE? 20:57 sfan5 i did 20:58 sfan5 but nobody really noticed 20:58 themaskedlua hello, I'm having aproblem where my minetestserver isn't loading correctly (I'm new and just trying) 20:58 kaeza sfan5, start bugging everywhere like me :P 20:58 themaskedlua 09:57:57: ERROR[main]: /home/nitram/.minetest/mods/minetest/technic/technic/init.lua: 20:58 themaskedlua 09:57:57: ERROR[main]: ...ram/.minetest/mods/minetest/technic/technic/ores.lua:41: attempt to index global 'stairsplus' (a nil value) 20:58 kaeza themaskedlua, hi 20:58 themaskedlua is there any idea as to what is causing this? 20:59 themaskedlua hi kaeza :) 20:59 hmmmm sounds like stairsplus is a mod dependency that you had not fulfilled 20:59 sfan5 themaskedlua: i think technic needs stairsplus 20:59 VanessaE themaskedlua: update technic and stairsplus 20:59 kaeza you need to install stairsplus mod 20:59 VanessaE and what he said. 20:59 kaeza gah 20:59 kaeza ninja'd 20:59 themaskedlua [stairsplus] loaded. 20:59 hmmmm hope everything's up to date 21:00 kaeza themaskedlua, you need a modified version of stairs+ 21:00 VanessaE themaskedlua: make sure your technic is the very newest 21:00 VanessaE kaeza: no. 21:00 kaeza no? 21:00 themaskedlua just download technic today 21:00 VanessaE that was fixed in stairsplus 21:00 themaskedlua everything downloaded today 21:01 ShadowNinja got the bug with verbose on, nothing of interest it seems 21:01 ShadowNinja check your server log 21:02 ShadowNinja Pointing at [node under=743,5,-491 above=743,6,-491] 21:02 themaskedlua do I need technic-git? 21:02 kaeza prolly 21:03 themaskedlua just git checkout the entire thing 21:04 PilzAdam bye 21:04 kaeza git clone https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic 21:04 themaskedlua just did :) 21:04 kaeza ok :) 21:04 VanessaE do the same for stairsplus 21:04 jin_xi and get all the deps 21:05 themaskedlua hmm, same error, need stairsplus git huh 21:05 VanessaE git clone https://github.com/Calinou/calinou_mods.git 21:05 kaeza FakeGoodDemon? 21:05 kaeza lol 21:05 VanessaE so, he's a phony daemon? 21:05 VanessaE :) 21:06 FakeGoodDemon I complement RealBadAngel 21:06 VanessaE haha 21:06 themaskedlua ah dang, I got 2 stairs plus? 21:06 kaeza lol 21:06 themaskedlua one in Calinou and the other seperate? 21:06 VanessaE themaskedlua: delete the old one 21:06 VanessaE calinou is who wrote it 21:06 ShadowNinja VanessaE: can you check your server log? 21:07 themaskedlua hmm, technic/ores.lua same thing on index global stairsplus 21:07 VanessaE ShadowNinja: what am I looking for? 21:07 ShadowNinja something around when I placed the asphalt and it replaced dirt 21:08 VanessaE ok, checking 21:08 VanessaE any idea of the coords? 21:08 ShadowNinja look up 21:08 VanessaE I don't see it 21:08 ShadowNinja Pointing at [node under=743,5,-491 above=743,6,-491] 21:08 kaeza ShadowNinja, it's only adding 0.1 to calculate 'above'? 21:09 VanessaE ah 21:09 ShadowNinja I was pointing at the top so yes 21:09 ShadowNinja but 1.0 21:09 VanessaE 16:01:11: ACTION[ServerThread]: ShadowNinja places node streets:asphalt at (743, 21:09 VanessaE 5,-491) 21:09 VanessaE that's all I got. 21:09 hmmmmm ass fault 21:10 hmmmmm so the nodes get placed at pointing under, not poing above 21:10 hmmmmm pointing* 21:10 kaeza !tw lkaezadl3 21:10 ShadowNinja so server thinks it is below 21:10 hmmmmm what is it usually supposed to be 21:10 MinetestBot @crazycoder13 "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" -- Confucius (@lkaezadl3) 21:11 themaskedlua hmm, technic is the only thing giving issue 21:11 ShadowNinja hmmmmm: aren't you supposed to be hmmmm 21:12 hmmmmm maybe i got carried away in my idle thoughts 21:12 hmmmm i was thinking for an m too long 21:12 kaeza a* 21:13 kaeza :P 21:13 themaskedlua I'll add technic later 21:13 kaeza themaskedlua, could it be that you have another technic version installed somewhere in the mod path? 21:22 mrtux Minetest keeps segfaulting 21:22 khonkhortisan the loss of one m turns the name from red to green in my client 21:22 VanessaE get it into gdb 21:22 VanessaE get a backtrace 21:22 VanessaE see if we can find the cause 21:23 mrtux debug.txt has no information that's useful 21:23 themaskedlua kaeza, I'll look later 21:23 kaeza k 21:23 VanessaE mrtux: it won't. 21:23 VanessaE you need to use gdb 21:23 mrtux gdb? 21:23 VanessaE gnu debugger 21:24 mrtux ok 21:24 VanessaE gdb --args minetest --disable-unittests 21:24 VanessaE assuming you are running a debug build 21:24 mrtux latest git 21:24 mrtux compiled it this morning 21:25 khonkhortisan CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE = Debug 21:27 kaeza sfan5|OFF, I'd like to discuss your implementation later. 21:30 ShadowNinja why hasn't db_backends_2 been merged? 21:32 VanessaE because feature freeze 21:32 ShadowNinja I mean before that 21:33 VanessaE dunno 21:33 VanessaE guess folks didn't think it was ready for use 21:35 ShadowNinja If so then why, will it be fixed? I heard there was talk about it but I am not sure why they thought no, maybe they are just putting it off because it is so big? 21:35 VanessaE dunno exactly 21:35 VanessaE there's been more talk about merging in leveldb, in general, though 21:35 ShadowNinja do you know who would? 21:36 VanessaE dunno at all 21:36 VanessaE I tend to forget stuff 21:37 ShadowNinja and have you noticed there is a smaller jump radius than walk radius on nodes? 21:37 VanessaE that change came in with the water/air physics patch 21:37 VanessaE (if I understand you right) 21:37 ShadowNinja is it intentional? 21:38 VanessaE kinda-sorta 21:39 ShadowNinja define kinda-sorta 21:40 VanessaE the discussion came up and it was decided that it's ..well..not different enough from previous behavior to fix :) 21:40 VanessaE if you hold shift, you can still jump higher 21:41 ShadowNinja double-jump 21:42 hmmmm basically leveldb wasn't merged before that because i wasn't in charge then, celeron was too lazy to do it and wanted xyz to merge it himself, but xyz didn't want to do it himself for some reason 21:42 hmmmm and then people forgot about it 21:42 ShadowNinja So maybe after feature-freeze? 21:43 hmmmm this is basically what happened to every pull request ever unless people went to annoying lengths to get it merged 21:44 VanessaE damn hmmmm, I wasn't so inclined to put it *that* way...... 21:44 hmmmm it's true though 21:45 hmmmm i believe that everybody deserves an answer and shouldn't be ignored or forgotten 21:45 hmmmm well, forgotten because they were ignored 21:45 VanessaE I tend to agree (and indeed you and I aren't the only ones to notice the "annoying lengths" it has taken at times) 21:46 hmmmm that's why i was trying to clean up some of the pull requests but you can see i didn't get too far 21:46 VanessaE well it will take a lot of time 21:46 ShadowNinja we are at 39 from 49 or so 21:48 hmmmm shadow, about your patch, i'll add it but i think i want to redo some of the formspec code to interpret escaped characters, or characters in a string literals as text 21:48 hmmmm which isn't such a trivial fix (but it's the right way to do it) 21:48 hmmmm in the long run it'll be better for everybody 21:49 * khonkhortisan made a diagonal rail texture, and can't get it to stop looking ugly: http://postimage.org/image/ihari62if/ 21:49 hmmmm god damn that's ugly 21:49 ShadowNinja hmmmm: sounds good 21:49 VanessaE well start by ditching the curvy parts..... 21:49 hmmmm what does the texture for it in minecraft look like 21:49 khonkhortisan then I don't know what to do with the wood 21:49 VanessaE khonkhortisan: draw everything at a 45 degree angle then 21:50 VanessaE take a default straight rail and rotate it, see what it looks like 21:50 VanessaE use the rotated result as a basis 21:50 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/JvL5s89.png it's fun 21:52 ShadowNinja hmmmm: are you still trying to find out how to merge pull requests without the "merge pull request #aaa" message? 21:53 ShadowNinja If so look here: https://help.github.com/articles/merging-a-pull-request 21:57 jin_xi hm, makes me wonder... what if i used generated axioms as rules? like huge trees with spiral arms or so 21:58 VanessaE that would look interesting 21:58 jin_xi length of axiom is limited, as is total treesize atm 22:01 khonkhortisan better? http://postimage.org/image/aidhidknj/ 22:02 jin_xi better, but why not keep the wood things parallel? 22:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: redraw the wood at 45 degrees also 22:02 VanessaE like the rails, but rotated. 22:10 sokomine those tracks are difficult to do with that insanely small radius 22:11 khonkhortisan I'm basing it on transport tycoon deluxe/openttd/simutrans grid rail style 22:12 VanessaE khonkhortisan: am I right in assuming you're trying to create an alternative to curves, rather than *replacing* them 22:12 VanessaE ? 22:12 VanessaE e.g. a fifth type 22:12 khonkhortisan I don't care about changing or not changing 90° curves, I just want a straight diagonal track. 22:13 khonkhortisan It may or may not stay as the curve texture. 22:13 khonkhortisan http://postimage.org/image/j9sl8ppnn/ 22:13 sokomine these old type of farmhouses are just too big for what i want to do with them :-/ 22:14 VanessaE khonkhortisan: getting there 22:15 khonkhortisan Might have to have curve, start diagonal, and continue diagonal textures. 22:15 VanessaE yeah 22:15 VanessaE definitely keep the curves btw 22:15 VanessaE but add these diagonals. 22:15 VanessaE etc etc 22:20 hmmmm ahh shadowninja, i knew how to do it that way, but i thought there might've been something more convenient, apparently not though since that's what github themselves say about it 22:21 Kacey hi all 22:21 ShadowNinja yes, and it doesn't say that the commit has been merged if you do it that way 22:21 kaeza hey Kacey 22:22 ShadowNinja Hi Kacey 22:26 jojoa1997 Mauvbic here? 22:27 jojoa1997 Guys what do you say to me making naturally spawned/placed towns for my npcs 22:28 VanessaE no 22:28 VanessaE unless they're created at mapgen time 22:28 iqualfragile1 jup, same here 22:28 jojoa1997 at mapgen time 22:28 sokomine i'm workin on something similar, jojoa 22:29 jojoa1997 i like the idea of villages in minecraft 22:29 hmmmm me too 22:29 sokomine at least to a degree 22:29 jojoa1997 yes 22:29 sokomine what are your approaches? 22:29 jojoa1997 auto spawn/towntest 22:29 iqualfragile1 are you just hacking something together or are you thinking about it? 22:29 jojoa1997 i am also looking at mobf and mauvbics blueprints 22:29 sokomine mostly i want those towns for traders to sell things (concentrated in one area and not spawned far apart like now) and for selling seeds for farming/farming_plus 22:30 sokomine and for npc to wander around 22:30 jojoa1997 i will make 2 npcs 22:30 kaeza iqualfragile1, coming from jojo, I'm inclined to think the first one 22:31 Kacey !up 67.162.156.91 22:31 MinetestBot 67.162.156.91:30000 is up (0.362ms) 22:31 iqualfragile1 like : i have a square, im gona split it into two parts (by chance) repeat until minimum size limit is hit or the random decision said: no more splitting 22:31 Kacey someone come join my legit server ^_^ 22:31 iqualfragile1 put roads where the splits are, put houses in between 22:32 sokomine i've been building some houses that might be part of a natural village. what annoys me right now is that those houses have to be quite big (for my understanding) becaus people kept animals and corn and almost everything in one house...even those houses for families without farms where rather big. that makes spawning more complicated 22:32 sokomine those small houses minecraft uses are a bit...too simple 22:33 sokomine iqalfragile: ah. you're thinking about how to divide a space into places for a town. that would require quite large areas i'm afraid 22:34 iqualfragile1 sokomine: if you use the algorythm i drafted here you can just have multiple plot-sizes and put apropriate houses/wells/plots/whatevertz into the plots 22:34 sokomine right now i'm leaning toward making the player major/owner of the town and letting him/her decide where to place new buildings 22:34 iqualfragile1 no, it would not take large areas 22:34 jojoa1997_ what would? 22:34 iqualfragile1 you can just remove some of the plots when there is a mountain/river in the way 22:35 sokomine with the test-houses i did build it would take a lot of room. also consider that those inhabitants are supposed to be farmers...i want them to sell corn and seeds (corn and other plants). that needs additional rom 22:35 sokomine they're everywhere, those mountains :-( 22:36 sokomine anyway...i can cope with them with the simple platform-building-algorthim that takes care of the lumberjack and clay trader homes 22:36 sokomine those for the farmers are bigger :-( 22:36 Kacey anyone want to play my legit server 22:36 iqualfragile1 you can put a limit into the code and just flatten it from +-3 blocks 22:36 sokomine hm, yes, that might be best...take an area, flatten it and then start planting the buildings 22:37 iqualfragile1 if you want to have them beeing farmers then you require x fields per house 22:37 iqualfragile1 you can just place x fields and then add one house untill all plots are taken 22:37 sokomine yes. and i'll have to spawn those somewhere around the house (which may require additional flattening of the area) 22:39 iqualfragile1 well, if you realy want those houses to have the farms you can just use the folowing method: 22:39 sokomine the size of the houses *does* cause a problem. while they spawn fine there is increasing danger of mapgen problems. an entire village with a lot of large houses and fields may take time until the whole area is generated 22:39 iqualfragile1 choose the house which has the smallest ammount of farms asociated 22:39 iqualfragile1 add the nearest farm to that house 22:40 iqualfragile1 repeat untill all farms are taken 22:40 kaeza like : i have a square, im gona split it into two parts (by chance) repeat until minimum size limit is hit or the random decision said: no more splitting 22:40 kaeza BSP trees? :P 22:41 iqualfragile1 i dont know, i just did a bit brainstoming there 22:42 VanessaE sokomine: pm 22:42 iqualfragile1 after a bit of research: no, net realy 22:45 NekoGloop|Laptop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRPUD4INnw 22:52 jojoa1997 VanessaE 22:57 VanessaE he never gives me time to respond 22:59 NakedFury hello guys 23:00 NakedFury and ladies 23:01 jin_xi hi 23:04 * sokomine nods to vanessa 23:04 Kacey i want to make a mod... but i suck at coding... 23:06 sokomine what kind of mod do you intend to make? 23:07 Dogzilla131 Hi 23:07 Kacey an extension to pipewroks and technic 23:07 Dogzilla131 Everybody :D 23:10 tripod Hi 23:12 Mallot1 hello i made a server and when ever i edit it the other players dont see it untill like 45 seconds later. how can i change the lag on the server? 23:16 sokomine kacey: those are mods that require more coding than other, more simple mods. perhaps you ought to make suggestions to rba so that he will include your ideas 23:20 sokomine btw, this is one of the farms (the largest so far) i was planning to include in a village: http://www.zimg.eu/i/2703932996 23:21 jin_xi nice 23:21 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaG5nMg/Screenshot%20-%2003032013%20-%2004:20:50%20PM.png getting unobtainable nodes ^_^ 23:22 khonkhortisan I haven't gotten the piston pusher yet 23:23 tripod http://kotaku.com/5988206/snl-proves-that-racism-wont-die-even-after-the-undead-apocalypse?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow 23:25 sokomine the house looks better with clay instead of loam 23:55 khonkhortisan To have diagonal rail and still keep curved rail around, I'd have to check not just the adjacent rails, but their adjacent rails too.