Time  Nick           Message
00:02 jojoa1997      is anyone here
00:02 TheZenKitteh   im here but don't know the answer to that
00:02 jojoa1997      ok also does anyone know a server with firearms installed
00:03 TheZenKitteh   I doubt you will find one that will install it unless they also have mobs
00:03 marktraceur    jojoa1997: Nobody is here, sorry, IRC is closed
00:04 jojoa1997      hi marktraceur that is not here
00:44 Traxie21
00:44 Traxie21
00:45 Traxie21       herro
00:45 TheZenKitteh   herro to you as werr
00:46 RealBadAngel   lol
00:46 RealBadAngel   i mean ror
00:46 TheZenKitteh   ror
00:46 jin_xi         lllllll
00:46 Traxie21       nicrr too see pprl arr tarrking
00:46 Traxie21       rrrrrrr
00:47 jin_xi         lrllrlrr
00:47 TheZenKitteh   sorry but I don't know how to pronounce that letter
00:47 TheZenKitteh   :P
00:47 jin_xi         thats a paradiddle
00:47 RealBadAngel   sule we al tarkin arr the time
00:48 Traxie21       but when i reave, ya'rr stowp tarking it seems
00:48 TheZenKitteh   Traxie21 you from japan or just imitating? lol
00:48 Traxie21       Texan
00:48 TheZenKitteh   ah
00:49 RealBadAngel   could happen, we are talkin usally when not coding or somethin ;) ive just finished polish translation for mt
00:49 TheZenKitteh   east coast here.. won't say exactly where but I will appear as from texas
00:49 TheZenKitteh   :P
00:49 RealBadAngel   now goin back to finish code for MV furnace for technic
00:49 Traxie21       srsly... your'e afraid to state your state?
00:49 Traxie21       :D
00:49 * TheZenKitteh is a paranoid individual. get used to it
00:49 TheZenKitteh   lol
00:50 Traxie21       oke
00:50 Traxie21       Would anyone like to see a full-featured server commands mod with reasonable configuration systems?
00:51 Traxie21       similar to bukkit Essentials
00:58 Traxie21       oi, im off
01:18 jojoa1997      !up 0gb.us 30000-30002
01:18 Minetest-tan   0gb.us:30000 is up (0.616ms)
01:18 Minetest-tan   0gb.us:30001 is up (0.540ms)
01:18 Minetest-tan   0gb.us:30002 seems to be down
01:32 TheZenKitteh   is there a way to totally disable writing debug to disk?
01:36 RealBadAngel   disconnect hdd
01:38 TheZenKitteh   lol I want to disable it for use on a usb drive for multiplayer
01:38 TheZenKitteh   all those writes to debug aren't good on usb
01:38 TheZenKitteh   usb flash drive*
01:39 TheZenKitteh   ah found out how
01:39 TheZenKitteh   minetest.exe --logfile NUL or ./minetest --logfile ''
01:39 TheZenKitteh   for anyone else wondering
01:45 jojoa1997      kaeza: have you thought about what the textures should be for the smoke and debris for firearms
02:08 hmmmm          i think i'm going to spend a little time on on_generated... this shit takes about 90ms at -O1 on a xeon e3-1230v2
02:08 hmmmm          nuts
02:45 VanessaE       how fast should it be, ideally?
02:46 NekoGloop      Fast*er*
02:46 hmmmm          as fast as possible
02:47 hmmmm          on_generate being called on an air chunk on the other hand takes around 6ms
02:47 TheZenKitteh   is there a known way to specify as like a config option or command line argument the location of the worlds and mods folders?
02:47 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjcgxaXH71w
02:55 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EuPsXanYzY Lookit what I found! :D
03:54 TheZenKitteh   RealBadAngel: seems your latest technic breaks some things
03:54 TheZenKitteh   investigating
03:56 RealBadAngel   what things?
03:56 TheZenKitteh   after update I noticed nuclear furnace texture is unknown and something about making a dummy image for "3"
03:57 RealBadAngel   nuclear reactor texture??
03:57 TheZenKitteh   there's also a building someone else made that uses some block that is now unknown but I can't remember what it was
03:57 RealBadAngel   theres no such object in technic yet
03:57 TheZenKitteh   there was
03:57 TheZenKitteh   I have it in front of me
03:57 TheZenKitteh   lol
03:57 RealBadAngel   no there wasnt
03:58 TheZenKitteh   it still works but texture missing
03:58 RealBadAngel   Jordach posted a patch but it wasnt merged
03:58 TheZenKitteh   don't remember where I got the old technic from but it had it
03:58 RealBadAngel   official code of technic never had nuclear reactor in it
03:58 TheZenKitteh   I thought I had it from your post
03:59 RealBadAngel   there will be one but not sooner as MV tier got finished
04:00 RealBadAngel   please use just current version of the mod
04:00 TheZenKitteh   I was using what I thought was current .88
04:00 TheZenKitteh   then seen new version and updated
04:00 TheZenKitteh   might revert back
04:01 TheZenKitteh   there was a nuclear_reactor.lua file
04:01 TheZenKitteh   lol
04:01 TheZenKitteh   in the version I had
04:03 RealBadAngel   better delete all instanced of technic you may have
04:03 RealBadAngel   and reinstall new one
04:03 RealBadAngel   it has even different directory structure
04:03 RealBadAngel   *instances
04:03 TheZenKitteh   the issue is this old technic has been used for a long time on an established world
04:04 RealBadAngel   we can talk about it when i got back from work
04:04 RealBadAngel   about 4pm CET
04:04 RealBadAngel   now im off to work
04:04 TheZenKitteh   k I may or may not be on if I am feel free to chat
04:22 Menche         firearms froze my server :(
04:35 kaeza          night all
04:47 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHpCywCcIA
05:05 VanessaE       z.
05:29 TheZenKitteh   im off night
05:47 VanessaE       think I'll do the same.  night.
06:07 OldCoder       c u
08:13 Calinou        forum died
09:17 berome         hello !
09:17 berome         Minetest.net seems down :-/
09:17 berome         read you later :-)
10:32 PilzAdam       Hello everyone!
10:41 OldCoder       Good morning
10:58 Oblivion1500   good morning
12:56 Traxie21       hai
13:00 Traxie21       waffles
13:23 thexyz         Calinou: no u
13:47 NekoGloop      Meow?
14:07 VanessaE       hi
14:11 Kacey          hi guys
14:11 Kacey          and gals
14:12 NekoGloop      ello :D
14:13 Kacey          hi NekoGloop
14:13 VanessaE       good morning
14:13 Kacey          well it is morning i know that
14:14 Kacey          but "good"? idk
14:14 NekoGloop      mornin
14:15 * VanessaE     imagines the obnoxious wake-up ringtone she uses on her cell phone
14:15 * Kacey        wakes up to the curtains being opened and getting blinded
14:15 VanessaE       "Good morning!  (doo doo doo)" (followed by a jaunty, loud, pleasant-natured tune)
14:16 NekoGloop      This game I'm playing is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard :(
14:16 Kacey          which one?
14:16 NekoGloop      http://rpgmaker.net/games/3554/ If anyone is curious.
14:17 Kacey          what is the point of it?
14:19 * VanessaE     watches the incoming storm with interest.
14:19 VanessaE       no doubt my server will be going down for a few hours today.
14:19 Kacey          !up 67.190.14.129
14:19 Minetest-tan   67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.298ms)
14:20 Kacey          i have an inch of snow outside :P
14:28 * Kacey        wants to go jump in the snow
14:33 jojoa1997      Hello!
14:34 Kacey          hi
14:34 jojoa1997      Kacey geuss what
14:34 Kacey          what?
14:34 jojoa1997      squir+chicken=octopus!
14:35 jojoa1997      squirl
14:35 Kacey          ?
14:35 jojoa1997      laugh already it was supposed to be random and funny
14:37 Kacey          random and funny = net split
14:37 jojoa1997      :/
14:38 Kacey          net splits are hilarious
14:38 jojoa1997      net=banana
14:39 Kacey          nono
14:56 * VanessaE     wonders if anything else new is going on
14:56 NekoGloop      I'm making a game in RPG Maker. Isn't new, but idk if you know.
14:56 VanessaE       I saw
14:59 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vaGE4MQ/untitleder.PNG
15:00 NekoGloop      Current state of the beginning town.
15:00 VanessaE       looks like classic ultima or so
15:00 VanessaE       or zelda
15:01 VanessaE       cute player avatar though :-)
15:01 NekoGloop      Think final fantasy 4 or 6.
15:01 VanessaE       never played those
15:01 NekoGloop      5?
15:02 VanessaE       never played any version thereof.
15:03 NekoGloop      you're no fun ;-)
15:03 VanessaE       :P
15:04 NekoGloop      well it's your traditional JRPG minus the traditional world map
15:04 NekoGloop      the areas will be linked similar to Pokemon, with intermediate areas inbetween them.
15:05 NekoGloop      http://rpgmaker.net/games/427/ for a final fantasy fangame. It's as final fantasy as you can get.
15:07 NekoGloop      RPG maker games (at least 2003 and 2000 ones) should run in wine. As for the editor I've no idea.
15:07 VanessaE       zzz
15:07 VanessaE       not really into that stuff :)
15:08 NekoGloop      Well you could look at the screens of that game to see what I mean.
15:08 VanessaE       I see it
15:09 VanessaE       classic tile-based maps, isometric overhead view, sprite-based characters
15:09 NekoGloop      not really isometric...?
15:09 VanessaE       well I guess not isometric
15:09 VanessaE       but pseudo-3d
15:26 OnlyHuman      hi, is the website down?
15:26 thexyz         yes
15:26 thexyz         except forums
15:26 NekoGloop      when ISNT it?
15:26 OnlyHuman      oh, is there somewhere else I can download a windows version?
15:27 NekoGloop      the forums.
15:27 OnlyHuman      I did run an installer from one website but it doesnt appear to work
15:27 OnlyHuman      thanks
15:27 sfan5          -> avg. Mistakes per Topic with Mistake(s): 1.23423423423
15:27 sfan5          ^ look at that number
15:28 thexyz         OnlyHuman: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
15:28 OnlyHuman      thanks thexyx
15:34 OnlyHuman      avast antivirus seems to have popped up when starting minetest
15:36 VanessaE       bbl
15:56 Traxie21       Does anyone know exactly what the update modes of file.io do?
16:11 celeron57      so re. yesterday's discussion, from here on everything based on minetest shall be called <something>/minetest-c55
16:11 celeron57      marktraceur: right? 8)
16:12 celeron57      no - WRONG.
16:12 celeron57      i'll let you make a guess why minetest uses an open license
16:13 NekoGloop      fake.
16:14 celeron57      i'm too lazy to prove myself non-fake, but being anonymous is fine
16:17 marktraceur    celeron57: Can I help you? I wasn't part of any discussion.
16:18 celeron57      okay, now i wonder who is the fake one here, and when
16:20 celeron57      i'm pretty sure you are the one talking here: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-29#i_2844472
16:20 celeron57      the fact that the logs don't even record the operator status of people sucks though
16:20 marktraceur    Oh, I see
16:21 marktraceur    You're talking about that discussion
16:21 marktraceur    celeron57: No, from here on everything based on Minetest will be called Halo
16:22 celeron57      i wonder why; but as you wish
16:22 NekoGloop      Oh, hey, that discussion I just sat there and let unfold while laughing my ass off.
16:26 marktraceur    NekoGloop: I'm pretty happy with the result
16:26 celeron57      but i mean, seriously, there is no reason why any end user of a gnu/linux distro or a minetest-based game should hear the word gnu or minetest
16:26 celeron57      they only need to know about it when they dig a bit deeper
16:26 celeron57      and they will
16:26 marktraceur    celeron57: I think your analogy is backwards, actually :)
16:26 Calinou        hi
16:26 NekoGloop      I don't care if this person is really celeron, but I agree.
16:27 Calinou        let's rename Minetest to GNU/Minetest
16:27 Calinou        :-d
16:27 marktraceur    linux is *just as* deep, if not deeper than, GNU.
16:27 marktraceur    (on average, I'd say, since there are parts of GNU on either side of linux)
16:27 Calinou        "linux" is the OS, "linux kernel" is the kernel, much simpler than saying "gnu/linux" is the os, "linux" is the kernel
16:28 marktraceur    Calinou: Same number of syllables in the system, fewer characters
16:28 marktraceur    Less ambiguous, too
16:28 marktraceur    But it's OK!
16:28 celeron57      ehm
16:28 Calinou        then use an acronym for linux kernel, or let the context do things
16:28 NekoGloop      Wow, do I actually agree with Calinou
16:28 celeron57      you just need to know on which level people are talking
16:28 marktraceur    We can just call it Maemo 5 and not worry
16:28 Calinou        ^ what celeron57 said
16:28 NekoGloop      Call it Bob.
16:29 celeron57      if casual, then linux is the whole thing; if technical, then gnu/linux is the OS, linux is the kernel - kind of
16:29 marktraceur    I for one am on Debian LoseThos, and I'm super-happy with it.
16:29 Calinou        losethos?
16:29 marktraceur    *nod*
16:29 Calinou        wtf is LoseThos :P
16:30 marktraceur    Calinou: Oh come on. You should understand what I mean.
16:30 * Calinou      goes to startpage
16:31 Calinou        "LoseThos is a small 64bit open source free operating system"
16:31 Calinou        gotta like "64 bit" being an argument :P
16:31 Calinou        ...it's like saying a graphics card having 3D accel
16:32 Calinou        s/having/has
16:32 marktraceur    Calinou: Except that there are still 32-bit CPUs in circulation
16:32 Calinou        even my netbook's atom is 64 bit, if you buy a cpu that doesn't support 64 bit today, you're doing it wrong :P
16:33 marktraceur    Calinou: I didn't say on sale, I said in circulation
16:33 marktraceur    Calinou: I was still using a computer from 2002 until last year
16:33 celeron57      this went extremely offtopic extremely fast, but... saying "64 bit" is an argument because it means it doesn't have any kind of support for 32-bit
16:33 marktraceur    *nod*
16:33 celeron57      and you can still buy 32-bit x86 CPUs as new
16:33 marktraceur    celeron57: Be fair, this *started* as offtopic
16:33 celeron57      i'm fine with where this is going 8)
16:34 Calinou        even a celeron G530 (no pun intended) is 64 bit, and pwns CPUs from 2002 :P
16:34 Calinou        ...that's 40 euros
16:34 marktraceur    celeron57: My perennial realization that this community would rather I not be here and taking a break for 3-6 months?
16:34 celeron57      Calinou: take some netbook grade Atom
16:34 Calinou        celeron57: my netbook supports 64 bit, at least the N455 supports it
16:35 Calinou        (it was sold with 32 bit windows, the irony)
16:35 celeron57      marktraceur: probably not, i guess; but it does not mean people can't actively disagree with you in some things in some reoccurring themes of discussion
16:36 * Calinou      looks at a random server admin then says: "disagreeing is a right, not a privilege"
16:36 celeron57      i'm fine with you disagreeing with me, but find it unfair if you say your opinion and then don't let me say mine 8)
16:37 marktraceur    celeron57: I certainly don't prevent others from saying things.
16:37 marktraceur    (I mean, unless it goes against the community grain, in which case this @ comes in handy)
16:38 celeron57      yes; and that means things are in good shape!
16:38 marktraceur    celeron57: Except that ultimately I'm a punchline in this channel, which may not be a good use of my time.
16:39 celeron57      what does that even mean
16:40 marktraceur    celeron57: It means I spend time here trying to help people, but ultimately I'm not serving my own goals, because this community would rather laugh at me than listen.
16:41 marktraceur    It should be made clear that I'm not complaining, just stating facts.
16:42 celeron57      i don't think that generally applies
16:42 celeron57      it is a thing for everyone to try to avoid a bit though
16:42 FreeFull       You don't have to buy 32-bit x86's, you can buy a 64-bit and use it as a 32-bit
16:43 marktraceur    *shrug*
16:43 marktraceur    Well, this day is off to a good start, I'll head to work now
16:43 celeron57      8D
16:44 * celeron57    the alternative to morning coffee
16:44 Calinou        ...or 4chan
16:46 FreeFull       Minetest invigorates your soul
16:46 celeron57      anyway, i'm not here to piss anyone off, i'm here to insert more opinions on the internet, because the internet is always lacking enough opinions
16:47 FreeFull       I think red is better than green
16:48 Calinou        true story
16:48 Calinou        FreeFull: green is easier to see for humans :(
16:48 NekoGloop      ... Super Paper Mario reference?
16:48 * Calinou      puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head.
16:48 * NekoGloop    purrs
16:50 * celeron57    puts a NekoGloop on kitten's head
16:52 celeron57      puts a kitten's head on NekoGloop
16:52 celeron57      +/me
16:52 * celeron57    sucks at webchat
16:53 NekoGloop      then don't use it
16:53 * celeron57    goes elsewhere to wait for the GLORIOUS ADSL of c55.me to work again
16:54 celeron57      Finland - the leader in all kinds of IT except in nothing and no way whatsoever
16:54 celeron57      8)))
17:03 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vaGE4MQ/untitleder.PNG and http://ompldr.org/vaGE5Yg/untitleder2.PNG :D
17:04 jordach        hey all
17:04 jordach        ive also done the biggest trolling on minetest ever
17:06 jordach        most people ACTUALLY believe im from the ISS, im just playing along with it
17:08 PilzAdam       Calinou, update the forum link in the wiki and change the "Server List" to servers.minetest.ru
17:08 jordach        NekoGloop hey there
17:08 * jordach      puts a kitten on nekogloops head
17:08 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vaGE4MQ/untitleder.PNG and http://ompldr.org/vaGE5Yg/untitleder2.PNG
17:08 * NekoGloop    purrs
17:09 jordach        nekogloop. cant tell if windows or mac
17:09 jordach        <sarcasm>
17:10 PilzAdam       its obviously KDE
17:12 jordach        :P
17:13 jordach        PilzAdam, responding to your question, no i am not
17:14 jordach        i dont often interact with the community, so i might as well be social again, im bored of the boring postd
17:14 jordach        posts*
17:15 jordach        (pilzadam, im a grumpy bastard, so i wanna have some fun)
17:22 rotor113       sorry for the things I did yesterday
17:23 jordach        rotor, thats okay
17:24 rotor113       hi
17:24 LandMine       Fuck all u fuckin faggs
17:25 rotor113       why is there a texture limit?
17:25 jordach        mark, :D
17:26 jordach        rotor, minetest.conf add this line:
17:26 jordach        enable_texture_atlas = false
17:26 jordach        ...and done
17:27 rotor113       but it makes the game slower
17:29 rotor113       what's the reason of the limit of the textures?
17:29 jordach        there is no texture limit
17:29 Calinou        texture atlas ≠ texture limit
17:29 Calinou        it is enabled by default, but not adapted for the new-ish modding system...
17:30 rotor113       ok
17:31 PilzAdam       LandMine is on -delta
17:31 rotor113       there was a bug:
17:32 rotor113       when you use liquid nodes with depends.txt
17:32 NekoGloop      we know
17:32 rotor113       they won't create flowing liquids
17:32 NekoGloop      no nobody cares enough to fix it
17:32 berome         Calinou c'est quoi le dernier modding system ? Ca https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L213 n'est plus la référence ?
17:33 berome         What are you talking about "new-ish modding system"
17:33 berome         ?
17:33 NekoGloop      ENGLISH. DO YOU SPEAK IT.
17:33 berome         nope
17:34 jordach        pilzadam, nobody important is on delta
17:34 marktraceur    berome: Do they speak English in Nope?
17:34 PilzAdam       I am on -delta.... :-(
17:34 jordach        pilzadam, /ignore
17:35 rotor113
17:35 rotor113
17:35 jordach        huh
17:35 jordach        turboirc has /ignore
17:35 rotor113       do you use firefox?
17:36 OldCoder       Hi
17:37 berome         marktraceur: sure really special english like mine.
17:37 berome         specials/complicate stuffs are easier to understand disambigously in french for me;
17:38 berome         please notice I try a translation immediately
17:38 jordach        rotor, nope, google chrome
17:38 berome         I want to point too that's it is strictly the same for abbreviations, and "street" english jst EVERYBODY write EVER
17:38 berome         HERE
17:39 berome         without stupids remarks
17:39 rotor113       only the license doesn't fit: desert stone texture http://ubuntuone.com/3sjDrKEYqUkAiRO93O34dx
17:40 marktraceur    For the information of the channel, I'm fielding some rather nasty PMs from LM right now and he may be coming back. I'll deal with it as soon as humanly possible.
17:40 rotor113       the fsaa doesn't work: http://ubuntuone.com/1tUY4SdnOtVuz0xlMmqylT
17:41 berome         ? nothing to deal with that marktraceur
17:41 marktraceur    I mean, if he comes back. He claims to have more IP addresses.
17:41 rotor113       my texturepack of minetest-0.3.1: http://ubuntuone.com/5WwPLiOXFezLZQHSfuPavM
17:42 rotor113       I built a gravel way at singleplayer: http://ubuntuone.com/4MH58WWKa9YMDbjj2SYvOd
17:43 rotor113       and my 'sky ship': http://ubuntuone.com/1istD3jK3k4qz84r8Wn64g
17:43 jordach        marktraceur he does. but he dont know about TOR.
17:44 rotor113       and a gimped mushroom: http://ubuntuone.com/3Wa05xA4vk7Lra5NQGqzeF
17:44 rotor113       I remember this bug: http://ubuntuone.com/59YRzVmoSLmkcIKMW2Phaw
17:45 rotor113       And this one (artefact): http://ubuntuone.com/0unLwRKfXFPU6l9l4rFzbV
17:46 rotor113       I've got some pictures from Zeg9's Server, too: http://ubuntuone.com/4yhgWxzA8pcZhTDLnplYOh
17:46 NekoGloop_     trippy
17:46 rotor113       http://ubuntuone.com/6DNTHVuXqI87IkUXuZvtaA
17:46 Calinou        berome: new-ish == since 0.4.0, july 22nd 2012
17:46 Calinou        rotor113: FSAA not working == old news :P
17:47 Traxie21       LandMine is in #minetest-mods
17:47 Calinou        forcing it with NVIDIA driver doesn't even work, too
17:47 Calinou        no1cares
17:47 rotor113       have you ever inverted the light?:http://ubuntuone.com/0mR7cow7O5oKKJQguccB4m
17:47 Calinou        #minetest-mods no longer officially exists
17:47 rotor113       http://ubuntuone.com/2HFlcwaldmFmLRAEYnp6qA
17:47 berome         Calinou: thanks, I was afraid learning something osolete.
17:47 Calinou        ubuntuone, heh
17:48 rotor113       yes
17:48 rotor113       5GB free space
17:48 rotor113       john's glowing mod: http://ubuntuone.com/2hk33cLD0FQxaA0se1gLhC
17:49 rotor113       there's an other bug: http://ubuntuone.com/7mBORsx0houASon9XPgrXA
17:50 Calinou        ubuntuone has no direct linking, no integrated video viewer too AFAIK
17:50 rotor113       two persons are at the same place
17:50 Calinou        dropbox has video viewer, even for OGVs :P
17:50 Calinou        and dropbox works fairly well without its spyware client :P
17:51 jordach        calinou, http://mega.co.nz
17:51 Calinou        lol, nope.
17:51 jordach        50gb free
17:51 Calinou        mega is an epic fail and has ads :P
17:51 jordach        nope.
17:52 rotor113       this is a defect .zip file: http://ubuntuone.com/1wsuZTLIdnykti16vr00Hj
17:52 rotor113       I don't think I can repair it
17:53 rotor113       I can't read this: http://ubuntuone.com/1Wz6ps0KaiAG0axZ28PqcV
17:54 mauvebic       hmph, forums still down, cant post oil rig
17:54 rotor113       put it on github
17:54 thexyz         mauvebic: wut
17:55 thexyz         http://forum.minetest.net/
17:55 NekoGloop_     ah, it no longer redirects.
17:55 thexyz         change your bookmark
17:57 marktraceur    Right, fair warning, mass-banning LM IPs
17:57 mauvebic       ah damn lol
17:57 mauvebic       wasnt bookmarks it was those little tiles in chromium lol but now it loads :-)
17:58 NekoGloop_     those are bookmarks :P
17:58 marktraceur    Hm, missed a few
17:58 berome         201.141.39.226
17:58 marktraceur    Oh, I guess it's because they're already banned.
17:58 berome         ok
17:59 marktraceur    If anyone has a big #minetest log, I can grep through there and get more
17:59 marktraceur    Or have you grep through, or whatever
18:00 rotor113       Do you know this game? http://wz2100.net/
18:03 rotor113_      what happened to me?
18:03 NekoGloop_     nothing
18:04 NekoGloop_     likely what happened to me though, a ping timeout
18:04 rotor113_      I couldn't send messages
18:04 NekoGloop_     happens faster on the client than the server.
18:05 NekoGloop_     like that.
18:05 rotor113_      "IRC: Be patient; get to know the rules" I don't know them
18:05 NekoGloop      rotor113_: Yeah. We know.
18:05 NekoGloop      In other words nobody cares about the topic.
18:05 jordach        rotor, another game to my to play list, thanks
18:05 rotor113_      how can I change my nickname?
18:06 NekoGloop      /nick
18:06 jordach        /nick newnick
18:06 marktraceur    How can you escape slashes?
18:06 marktraceur    /say /nick
18:06 rotor113       ?
18:07 rotor113       /say
18:07 NekoGloop      /nick
18:07 NekoGloop      Ah.
18:07 rotor113       ...
18:08 rotor113       I need a list of the commands
18:09 rotor113       qwebirc is the chef here
18:10 rotor113       there are not much FAQ's
18:10 rotor113       s*
18:13 Calinou        marktraceur: put //nick
18:13 Calinou        = /nick
18:13 Calinou        //nick
18:13 Calinou        ^ three slashes
18:13 Calinou        xchat FTW :P
18:13 NekoGloop      /nick
18:13 NekoGloop      awesome.
18:16 kaeza          hi all
18:19 marktraceur    ///nick
18:19 marktraceur    Hm.
18:19 marktraceur    Two slashes just runs the command, for me.
18:19 marktraceur    kaeza: Welcome!
18:20 kaeza          marktraceur, thanks! having any more problems with IRC mod?
18:20 kaeza          or for that matter, IRC Admin?
18:20 marktraceur    Not currently, no
18:20 kaeza          ah good
18:20 marktraceur    kaeza: I think I told you that !help <unknown-command> crashed my server, but I think you also fixed it
18:21 kaeza          yeah. I fixed that as soon as you reported
18:21 marktraceur    Right right.
18:21 kaeza          all the other servers using it have updated as well
18:22 kaeza          I am now struggling with the "nick in use" error
18:22 kaeza          autoconnection fails sometimes because the bot's nick is already in use
18:23 marktraceur    Huh.
18:23 marktraceur    kaeza: Fall back to some other name, ghost the nick?
18:23 marktraceur    kaeza: Presumably it registers with NickServ, right?
18:24 kaeza          not really, but I can add that feature
18:24 kaeza          as an option of course
18:24 marktraceur    Hm. Why did I put in a password, then?
18:24 kaeza          ah you mean identify
18:25 kaeza          yes, I believe it does so, but you need to register the bot nickname yourself
18:26 marktraceur    Ah.
18:27 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vaGFhYw/untitleder2.PNG Opinions on my window texture?
18:28 kaeza          looks awesome
18:28 kaeza          hmm... the border should be a bit lighter
18:32 jordach        nekogloop, is THAT your ame?
18:32 jordach        game*
18:32 NekoGloop      The one I'm making in RPG Maker, yes.
18:32 jordach        awesome
18:33 NekoGloop      really?
18:34 * marktraceur  giggles at RPG maker
18:34 marktraceur    Not that it's a bad thing. I just recall a story about a CS student at my university whose senior project (i.e. the project that was supposed to be proof that she learned something) was an RPG Maker game.
18:35 jordach        nekogloop, now when youre done, make it in C++
18:35 NekoGloop      You're joking right?
18:36 kaeza          marktraceur, RPG Maker is actually great for prototyping games
18:36 marktraceur    No, not at all
18:36 kaeza          ditto for Game Maker
18:36 NekoGloop      that was at jordach, mark.
18:36 marktraceur    kaeza: I'm sure it is, but it's not a great way to demonstrate knowledge in Computer Science.
18:36 marktraceur    (intentional capitalisation)
18:36 jordach        markt, im taking CS right now
18:37 jordach        and its for two years (this one is the first)
18:37 marktraceur    jordach: Good stuff
18:37 jordach        and our programming language of choice is c++
18:37 marktraceur    NekoGloop: Making a game in a proper language is fun! :)
18:37 jordach        NOT java
18:37 Exio           lucky
18:37 NekoGloop      aka buggy as hell and impossible, mark.
18:38 kaeza          I was writing an RPG in plain C, but it's currently buggy as hell and I have no plans of continuing it in the current state
18:38 kaeza          I think I will reqrite it again from scratch
18:39 marktraceur    NekoGloop: Only if you do it wrong, I suppose
18:39 kaeza          rewrite*
18:39 marktraceur    NekoGloop: We're around to help! :)
18:40 jojoa1997      hi
18:43 jordach        kaeza give me the source code
18:43 jordach        i might fix it for you
18:43 jordach        (im my spare time)
18:44 marktraceur    Ah, spare time. I remember it fondly.
18:44 kaeza          http://github.com/kaeza/cosmorpg
18:44 kaeza          jordach, ^
18:47 mauvebic       which texture pack(s) are more realistic without being too grainy?
18:47 kaeza          it's not even playable yet.
18:54 jordach        mauvebic, Misa, Vanessa's @ 64x
19:06 rotor113       I like plateaus http://media.indiedb.com/images/downloads/1/35/34373/kulkuvayla2.png
19:07 rotor113       it's minetest-c55 0.2.2
19:09 rotor113       I don't like the steelblock texture
19:11 rotor113       at the new minetest you can't hold e to fly fast
19:11 rotor113       why?
19:11 rotor113       you always fly fast
19:11 rotor113       please change it back
19:11 marktraceur    rotor113: File a bug
19:11 NekoGloop      That's too fucking bag.
19:11 NekoGloop      bad.
19:12 rotor113       but the particles are nice
19:12 NekoGloop      what particles?
19:12 Jeija          rotor113: Press j to fly slow
19:13 Jeija          My particles :D, digging particles and punching particles I geuss
19:13 rotor113       I only know digging particles
19:14 Jeija          When you punch a block, a few particles will also appear, that's punching particles. Did pressing j work?
19:14 rotor113       yes
19:14 rotor113       then I always fly slow
19:15 Jeija          until you press j again... I prefer that method
19:15 NekoGloop      stop complaining
19:15 NekoGloop      the monarchs might hear you
19:15 PilzAdam       rotor113, the new "hold E to fly fast" is configureable in minetest.conf; disabled by default
19:15 PilzAdam       seems like i am the only one who uses it :-p
19:15 rotor113       ok
19:16 rotor113       how can I create a server list?
19:16 rotor113       I only saw the delete button
19:16 Jeija          Your servers will be added to the list when connecting to them
19:17 rotor113       It didn't work
19:18 rotor113       why?
19:19 rotor113       at the moment I'm digging something at Zegaton
19:20 Jeija          dunno, rotor113, what os? does client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt exist at all?
19:20 rotor113       ubuntu
19:20 rotor113       12.04
19:21 rotor113       I got water
19:21 rotor113       with a mesepick
19:21 rotor113       flowing water
19:21 NekoGloop      Odd.
19:22 NekoGloop      You usually get water sources.
19:23 mitori         hi
19:24 mitori         is there anyone who can help?
19:28 mitori         once again
19:28 mitori         hey
19:28 mitori         what's uo
19:28 mitori         what's up*
19:28 mitori         is there anyone who can help with my little problem?
19:30 jojoa1997      why is the forums down?
19:30 NekoGloop      because you aren't going to the right link
19:30 PilzAdam       the forums arent down; minetest.net is down
19:31 mauvebic       romulans
19:31 PilzAdam       jojoa1997, get free access: http://forum.minetest.net/index.php
19:31 jojoa1997      thanks
19:33 jojoa1997      pilzadam have you seen the hungry games code/mod
19:33 jojoa1997      wor anyone else who ould help cause there is a problem
19:35 marktraceur    jojoa1997: Asking for Help 101: Say what the problem is.
19:36 jojoa1997      sorry i am trying to look at code
19:36 jojoa1997      come on 0gb.us 30002
19:36 jojoa1997      i have to show you
19:36 jojoa1997      the chests are spawning like ores but i have set the spawning to false
19:37 jojoa1997      here is the github link https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/tree/master/mods
19:38 PilzAdam       bye
19:40 marktraceur    jojoa1997: Yeah, I'm not coming on the server.
19:40 jojoa1997      ok
19:41 jojoa1997      i cant post a pic right now screenchot isnt working
19:41 marktraceur    jojoa1997: You say the chests are spawning like ores. Which chests? default:chest?
19:42 jojoa1997      no it is in the game. it is special to hungry_games
19:42 jojoa1997      https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/blob/master/mods/random_chests/init.lua
19:42 marktraceur    Right.
19:42 marktraceur    jojoa1997: Looks like chests_spawn is true there
19:43 jojoa1997      yeah but IIRC i set them to false one sec
19:43 jojoa1997      i did
19:43 marktraceur    Your version of that init.lua file might be useful also.
19:43 marktraceur    Pastebin.
19:44 jojoa1997      yeah 0gb runs the server
19:44 marktraceur    Not sure that's terribly relevant
19:45 jojoa1997      as in i dont have the script with me. i told him what to edit
19:45 marktraceur    jojoa1997: Tell him I won't play telephone tech support
19:47 jojoa1997      i just wanted to know what would cause that. and also he is in a different timezone than me so i only see him about 2 hours a day. i came to irc to ask he doesnt even know about the problem
19:48 kaeza          <mitori> is there anyone who can help with my little problem?
19:48 kaeza          what problem?
19:50 marktraceur    jojoa1997: Probably either the value is set wrong or there's some other bug. I don't know from anecdotal evidence.
19:51 jojoa1997      actually here is some code in question
19:51 jojoa1997      --Enable chests to spawn in the world when generated.
19:51 jojoa1997      --Pass false if you want to hide your own chests in the world in creative.
19:51 jojoa1997      random_chests.enable()
19:51 jojoa1997      how would i pass that as false
19:51 jojoa1997      random_chests.enable() = false
19:52 jojoa1997      or
19:52 marktraceur    No
19:52 jojoa1997      random_chests.disable()
19:52 marktraceur    jojoa1997: random_chests.enable( false )
19:55 jojoa1997      would it be the node timer?
19:55 jojoa1997      what does the nodetimer do?
19:55 jojoa1997      https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/blob/master/mods/random_chests/init.lua
20:17 mauvebic       im guessing 1034 nodes is abit much for the engine lol
20:19 marktraceur    abit: the carnivorous brother to the alot
20:20 mauvebic       well it aint 1034 textures - roughly 17 nodeboxes * 85 textures for one mod
20:21 mauvebic       http://www.zimg.eu/i/738040031 * 85 lol
20:21 mauvebic       i found the trick: i set the creative delay to 1 second instead of 0, now the world loads :D
20:27 * OldCoder     must travel to San Jose again today
20:27 OldCoder       I will be here later
20:27 OldCoder       o/
20:27 mauvebic       lovely weather i hope :-)
20:28 mauvebic       its +10 here, another record (in the other direction) lol
20:28 markveidemanis I need someone to edit moretrees for me
20:28 markveidemanis WTF is up with forums
20:29 mauvebic       forum.minetest.net
20:29 mauvebic       though there should be some redirect script/frame/wtv lol
20:30 markveidemanis minetest.net/forum/
20:30 markveidemanis redirect can't be bothered
20:31 mauvebic       well what sucks is that most google searches dont work for now
20:32 mauvebic       giving the impression the whole thing is down
20:34 mauvebic       ugh, if i keep adding more shapes ill need a button inventory
20:47 markveidemanis jojoa1997
20:47 jojoa1997      'yeah
20:47 markveidemanis server down...
20:47 markveidemanis mine is up :D
20:48 jojoa1997      i know
20:48 sfan5          !server
20:48 Minetest-tan   sfan5: Minetest.Ru main server | minetest.ru:30000   up (99.965%)
20:48 jojoa1997      hungry games is the most crash prone thing i have seen
20:48 markveidemanis gtg bye
20:55 sapier1        hello
20:56 sapier         can anyone tell me why string:split(somestringvar,"_") doesn't give expected result?
20:56 sfan5          sapier: are you using lua?
20:57 sapier         yes
20:57 marktraceur    sapier: string.split, not string:split, I'd guess
20:57 sfan5          IIRC there is no official split method for strings in lua
20:57 sapier         hmm then lua_api.txt example is wrong
20:58 sapier         so marktraceur is wrong and doc is right? but it still doesn't work
20:58 sapier         string:split(separator)
20:58 sapier         ^ eg. string:split("a,b", ",") == {"a","b"}
20:58 sapier         is what is written in doc
20:59 marktraceur    Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with it
21:00 sfan5          after some googling i didn't find a built-in string splitting function in lua
21:00 sapier         this should be same as what I've written upper wirh one difference I've got a variable where doc has a plain string
21:00 sapier         yes I know that string:split is from minetest
21:00 sapier         it's in misc_helpers.lua
21:01 sfan5          hm
21:01 marktraceur    sapier: What result did you get from the original version you had?
21:01 sapier         misc_helpers.lua:80: calling 'gsub' on bad self (string expected, got table)
21:02 sapier         but my variable is a string
21:02 sapier         I've checked by printing it directly
21:02 sfan5          string is a reserverd word
21:03 jin_xi         name = string.split(name, "_")[2] works in my mod
21:03 sfan5          function string:split(....   defines the function as function of every string
21:03 sfan5          -> "a,b,c":split(',')
21:03 sfan5          it also only takes 1 argument
21:03 sfan5          ^ sapier
21:04 sapier         there's an example in doc ... maybe that should be fixed
21:04 sapier         using . notation works
21:06 sapier         usually I don't read docs .... maybe I shouldn't have read it this time too ;-P
21:09 jojoa1997_     http://forum.minetest.net/
21:26 LandMine       Fuck u dick munchers
21:26 Uberi          good afternoon to you too, LandMine
21:26 LandMine       Marktraceur kiss my ass u fuckin faggot
21:27 LandMine       Good afternoon uberi
21:27 LandMine       Ur not in the list of dick munchers
21:27 marktraceur    Fun times
21:28 mauvebic       dick munchers = new kfc menu item?
21:28 Uberi          the best
21:28 Uberi          mauvebic: honestly, I would not be terribly surprised
21:28 mauvebic       did you see that pic of the intestine in the nugget? lol gross
21:28 Uberi          argh that mental imagery
21:30 mauvebic       yeah, most of the people who say they wont eat there anymore say its cuz they got sick last time they ate it lol
21:30 STHGOM         hi
21:31 Uberi          hey STHGOM
21:53 * marktraceur  giggles at LandMine
21:53 marktraceur    In a PM: "wtf y did u ban me?"
21:53 marktraceur    As if it were some big mystery
21:53 Uberi          bwahahaha
21:53 Uberi          hey VanessaE
21:53 VanessaE       hey
21:53 marktraceur    I could very seriously live with kickbanning him in perpetuity
21:53 Uberi          marktraceur: did you try a nick ban? or does he change nicks?
21:54 VanessaE       he changes nicks *and* IP's
21:54 Uberi          :/
21:54 marktraceur    Uberi: He changes nicks sometimes, but even if he doesn't, I like being able to identify him easily
21:54 VanessaE       (assuming "he" refers to LM)
21:54 Uberi          marktraceur: it's not hard, just look for a few key words
21:54 Uberi          "(4:26:28 PM) LandMine: Fuck u dick munchers"
21:55 Uberi          :P
21:55 marktraceur    Uberi: I thought about writing a script that watches people who enter the channel and are named ".*(Land|Mine).*", determines whether they say something vulgar, and bans them
21:56 marktraceur    Seems like false positives would be bad, though. So I'll let it be for now.
21:56 Uberi          marktraceur: make sure you add a random delay so it's hard to figure out the trigger :)
21:57 marktraceur    Uberi: Probably it would learn
21:58 marktraceur    Uberi: Wait for three keyword confirmations, then add the language used up to then as a corpus against which to run future queries
21:59 Uberi          hmm, yeah
22:00 Uberi          a bayesian classifier with two categories, "LM" and "NotLM"
22:03 Uberi          I like this idea ^
22:03 Exio           you lost the last part: in 30 years it will kill you
22:03 Uberi          but if you want, I already wrote a bayesian classifier library
22:03 Uberi          2043: the day ELIZA became self aware
22:04 marktraceur    Uberi: I'm interested, but my interest comes after a TODO list fifty miles long
22:04 Uberi          marktraceur: did you print out the todo list and tape the pages end to end? :P
22:04 marktraceur    Uberi: ELIZA becomes aware, but only to find that in 2027, emacs' "M-x doctor" drove everyone mad
22:05 marktraceur    Uberi: I used XKCD's log scale
22:05 Uberi          :O
22:05 marktraceur    https://xkcd.com/1162/
22:05 Uberi          well you could always burn the list, that's what I did about a year ago
22:06 marktraceur    (the alt-text is what I mean)
22:06 Uberi          it felt so liberating
22:06 VanessaE       ha!\
22:06 Uberi          marktraceur: and it still can't represent Graham's number!
22:07 marktraceur    Also, re: the chart in the comic: HOW ARE WE NOT USING NUCLEAR ENERGY.
22:08 Uberi          well I want fusion power before we go about tearing up our infrastructure
22:08 Uberi          nuclear energy is better than coal but isn't terribly renewable
22:08 Uberi          uranium mines will eventually run out
22:09 marktraceur    Oh, agreed. Fusion would be great.
22:09 marktraceur    But nuclear also doesn't hurt the environment, so....I'll take the risk of depletion over the risk of environmental massacre.
22:10 sapier         problems with nuclear energy is there ain't a way to store waste and there ain't a way to ensure politicians / managers won't reduce security to gain profit
22:10 marktraceur    sapier: 1. Reuse it (France does), 2. That's what government is for
22:10 sapier         does only reduce waste by about 10%
22:11 sapier         and neither france nor gb nor japan have proven to handle this technology without major incidents
22:11 VanessaE       don't some of thos enewest designs pretty much use up all of the radioactivity of the waste?
22:11 Uberi          hah!
22:11 VanessaE       as in rendering it no more active than dirt?
22:12 Uberi          VanessaE: the waste reactors IIRC do that
22:12 Uberi          here in Ontario, fully 30% of our power comes from hydroelectricity
22:12 sapier         thats not true every study I read limits its findings to "strong radioactive waste" ... medium and low isn't considered at all
22:13 Uberi          that's almost a third
22:13 Uberi          if we expand these frontiers, we could have the majority of our energy from renewable sources within our lifetimes
22:14 VanessaE       sapier: if you take all sources of radioactive waste - strong, light, etc - and reprocess them into fuel for one of these newer designs, you get almost zero waste out of the result, and what you get is no worse than dirt or concrete.
22:14 Exio           the thing isn't "we can't get renewable ways" is the "the politics doesn't want", because it is something what doesn't result in a insta-profit thing
22:14 sapier         vanessaE you can't reprocess medium and low to fuel
22:14 sapier         only plutonium uranium can be reused
22:14 VanessaE       sapier: apparently you can.
22:14 VanessaE       and what's left is harmless.
22:14 marktraceur    sapier: I wonder if we could extract the energy from the uranium, reuse what we can, and then use the energy to launch the waste into the sun.
22:14 Uberi          we're going to need to tear up our infrastructure anyways, if the renewable energy people move fast enough they'll get more traction
22:14 VanessaE       I say stuff it down the Marianas trench.
22:15 sapier         no it isn't
22:15 Uberi          VanessaE: yes!
22:15 VanessaE       the earth will draw it back into the mantle and bye bye waste.
22:15 Uberi          the earth already has plenty of radioactive waste anyways
22:15 Uberi          and it will power future geothermal sources too!
22:15 VanessaE       better to waste the waste than to waste the time worrying about what to do with the waste :-)
22:15 Uberi          geothermal energy comes from radioactive elements in the earth
22:15 sapier         O'm with john_minetest 100years can be handled ... 1000years as with best reuse technology in best cases can't be handled
22:17 sapier         marktraceur "launch into sun" :-) funny ... one rocket malfunction and earth surface will be uninhabitable for thousands of years
22:17 marktraceur    sapier: That's half the fun!
22:18 Exio           sapier: i think he wants a venus clone
22:18 VanessaE       sapier: so...what about my suggestion of just stuffing the useless material into the Marianas Trench? (namely into the Challenger Deep)
22:18 Uberi          it's called, Russion Roulette power
22:18 sapier         john depends on what uranium you have
22:19 Uberi          VanessaE: we want a subduction zone, challenger should be pretty good
22:19 sapier         vanessae how to ensure it'll stay there ?
22:19 VanessaE       exactly.
22:19 Uberi          yeah mars is way too cool
22:19 paxcoder       VanessaE, how do i make white paint, and why the dichotomy?
22:19 VanessaE       sapier: same way we do now - a metric fuckload of LEAD and shielding.
22:19 sapier         subduction is a very slow process ;-)
22:19 Uberi          VanessaE: no need, a few meters of water is just as effective
22:20 sapier         that didn't work for 100 years ... how do you expect it to work for tectonic ages?
22:20 VanessaE       paxcoder: because youcan't really "dye" something white - the point of dye is to add color, not remove it,  hence paint.   make it by cooking stone into titanium dioxide, combine that with a bucket of water and some junglegrass.
22:20 sapier         in germany we're about to recollect nuclear waste from storage because it's proven to be unsafe after only 50 years
22:20 VanessaE       sapier: better that than storing it in a mountain or whatever
22:21 Uberi          sapier: what? why?
22:21 sapier         and this isn't going to be easy
22:21 VanessaE       at least in a subduction zone it'll eventually get sucked in
22:21 paxcoder       VanessaE, umm, all of your examples are additive, so white should be fine as well
22:21 VanessaE       or fuck it, dump it in the nearest volcano. :-)
22:21 Uberi          DON'T OPEN THE VAULT, THERE'S AN ALIEN IN THERE
22:21 Uberi          VanessaE: that's a terribly smart idea
22:21 VanessaE       paxcoder: have you ever tried to dye something white?  No.  you *bleach* it, or you paint it.
22:21 paxcoder       VanessaE, i really don't see the problem
22:22 sapier         because gelogists thouht where salt is there wasn't water for thousands of years and there won't be for another thousands of years ... they haven't been right
22:22 paxcoder       if yellow+red=orange, then red+white=pink
22:22 VanessaE       and since I couldn't think of a decent way to make sodium hypochlorite, well...
22:22 VanessaE       :)
22:22 Uberi          VanessaE: salt water + mesecon signal? :P
22:22 VanessaE       paxcoder: that's how I made it because it made sense to me
22:22 STHGOM         ttyl guys
22:22 VanessaE       Uberi: that would be sodium hydroxide :-)
22:22 sapier         now we have nuclear wast burried below millions of tons of salt being taken away slowly from warer ...
22:23 sapier         water
22:23 Uberi          wait wait lemme try and remember how I did it last time
22:23 VanessaE       I don't buy into some types of "conservation", like water.  It's not like it just ceases to exist once used.
22:23 Uberi          bye
22:24 marktraceur    VanessaE: No, but if you want to purify it again, it takes energy
22:24 marktraceur    VanessaE: And you have to transport it back up the system
22:24 paxcoder       VanessaE, you owe me 3 buckets so far ;-P
22:24 VanessaE       marktraceur: sure, but that's the sort of process best driven by the sun.  As in, the earth's natural water cycle.
22:24 Uberi          VanessaE: wait, but Cl bubbles through the NaOH and forms NaClO
22:25 VanessaE       Uberi: yea but where do you get the chlorine from? :)
22:25 Uberi          while the NaCl(aq) is being electrified, of course!
22:25 marktraceur    VanessaE: Maybe so. But we, as humans, probably couldn't be served by that alone without immense rain-catching systems. Especially in places where it rains (maybe) once a year.
22:25 paxcoder       White is too expensive. I'm dyeing here
22:25 VanessaE       marktraceur: all I know is, all of that water has to go somewhere after it's been used - treated or not.
22:25 Uberi          the Na ions go into the water and Cl goes gaseous
22:25 VanessaE       paxcoder: so fix it :-)
22:26 Uberi          then the NaOH formed has Cl bubbling through it
22:26 Uberi          forming NaClO
22:26 VanessaE       Uberi: I'm not sure it works that way, but maybe...of course mesecons signals are low-power TTL so I suppose you'd need a LV or MV cable from technic :-)
22:26 Uberi          bangarang, bleach!
22:26 Uberi          VanessaE: I tried it, with two carbon rods taken from batteries, some hot glue, and half a water bottle
22:26 Uberi          it sort of worked
22:27 VanessaE       carbon rods...from batteries?   dry cells?
22:27 VanessaE       (people still make those?)
22:27 paxcoder       just when you thought green couldn't get any more hyperactive: bleached green
22:27 Uberi          I dunno, I took apart a lot of batteries for that one before I found it
22:27 Uberi          I think it was some off brand D-cell
22:27 VanessaE       Uberi: maybe it was one of those "heavy duty" ones, which I guess are dry cells
22:28 VanessaE       (abe and I call those "super volt", from some random duracell or energizer commercial)
22:29 Uberi          I had no idea, honestly
22:29 paxcoder       something's really wrong with inheritance between objects
22:29 Uberi          didn't know much about battery chemistry at the time
22:29 paxcoder       dysfunctional junglewood
22:29 paxcoder       no bronze buckets
22:29 paxcoder       etc
22:30 VanessaE       wait a sec here.
22:30 VanessaE       what are you doing that's costing you all these buckets?
22:30 paxcoder       just making lighter colors
22:30 VanessaE       ah
22:31 paxcoder       that shouldn't cost me a bucket
22:32 VanessaE       I'll fix it.
22:33 paxcoder       VanessaE, is it me, or does making colours from dyes and base sometime leave empty bottles'
22:33 paxcoder       ?
22:33 VanessaE       it shouldn't give you anything back except in the case of lighter colors (the missing bucket), until you actually *use* the dye
22:33 paxcoder       oh
22:34 paxcoder       VanessaE, in that case, it eats all but last bottle
22:34 VanessaE       that's a bug in the engine,
22:34 VanessaE       I can't fix that.
22:35 paxcoder       no? couldn't you write to inventory?
22:35 VanessaE       I wouldn't know how to do that.
22:35 paxcoder       oh
22:35 VanessaE       there, fixed the missing buckets in unified dyes.
22:35 paxcoder       well you could allow for empty bottles alongside base+dye
22:36 VanessaE       (git)
22:36 paxcoder       and then just increase their nr, as bottles are emptied
22:36 Uberi          is unified dyes in trunk yet?
22:36 VanessaE       Uberi: no and never will be
22:36 Uberi          why not? :(
22:36 paxcoder       VanessaE, that was fast
22:36 VanessaE       because c55 thinks his in-game dye system is better.
22:36 Uberi          there's an in-game dye system?
22:36 VanessaE       Uberi: yes, and it doesn't work - you can't actually *make* the dyes.
22:37 Uberi          well how on earth is that better
22:37 VanessaE       it isn't.
22:37 VanessaE       but it's simpler
22:37 VanessaE       fewer colors, etc.
22:37 Uberi          :/
22:38 VanessaE       Unified Dyes works with anything that uses the in-game dye system properly (e.g. groups-based colors)
22:38 Uberi          neat
22:38 VanessaE       and there's at least one standalone mod that adds crafting recipes for the in-game ones, sdzen and I worked on it
22:38 paxcoder       That moment when you've been digging in a cave for some time, only to notice all the torches you've blaced are still upside-down
22:39 Uberi          VanessaE: so those are the ones that actually make sense right?
22:39 VanessaE       Uberi: eh?
22:39 Uberi          the recipes, I mean
22:39 VanessaE       oh
22:40 VanessaE       well they're similar to what a lot of people have used in the past, e.g. apples give red, mese (fragments) gives yellow, coal is black, and others.
22:40 Uberi          ah awesome
22:40 Uberi          what's blue?
22:40 VanessaE       cactus.
22:40 Uberi          :/
22:40 Exio           wtf?
22:41 Exio           what about adding some flower or ores for the dyes?
22:41 VanessaE       but in the absence of flowers, which imho is the proper way to do it, there wasn't much other way.
22:41 Exio           flowers*
22:41 VanessaE       Exio: unified dyes.
22:41 VanessaE       uses flowers.
22:41 Uberi          ah flowers would be a good way to do it
22:41 VanessaE       as far as I'm concerned, plants_lib and flowers mod should be in minetest_game now.
22:42 VanessaE       add those and a whole world of new stuff opens up for everyone else to use.
22:42 VanessaE       imho.
22:42 Uberi          I'd like flowers in mt_game
22:42 Exio           what plants_lib does?
22:42 VanessaE       Exio: it is a biome library
22:42 paxcoder       bioyou?
22:42 VanessaE       yeah
22:43 Exio           then, i don't think it should be, first we need the new mapgen
22:43 Uberi          what kind of new mapgen, Exio?
22:43 Exio           what adds "non-lua biomes" aka, faster stuff
22:43 Uberi          Exio: current biomes are already in CPP
22:43 VanessaE       plants_lib does all of that and it's fast.
22:43 VanessaE       Uberi: no, they aren't.
22:43 Exio           i saw a "removed mapgen v7" in the log
22:44 VanessaE       mapgen v7 doesn't have anything of use yet.
22:44 Exio           and afaik v7 == biomes
22:44 VanessaE       Exio: no.  but it theoretically will.
22:44 VanessaE       https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/master/API.txt
22:44 VanessaE       plants_lib API ^^^^
22:44 Uberi          VanessaE: hmm?
22:45 VanessaE       read and enjoy :-)
22:45 VanessaE       this library is how moretrees is able to create tree biomes and keep things in order.
22:45 VanessaE       (ditto junglegrass, flowers, poisonivy, vines)
22:45 VanessaE       hopefully more stuff will follow.
22:45 * paxcoder     fills 7 buckets with water
22:46 paxcoder       VanessaE, prob with buckets is also that they don't stack
22:46 paxcoder       well, the water ones don't
22:46 VanessaE       paxcoder: bug in minetest_game
22:46 VanessaE       but I'm not sure if it makes sense to let them stack
22:46 VanessaE       at least not full ones.
22:46 Uberi          empty ones though
22:47 paxcoder       VanessaE, perhaps i should've said "problem with using buckets for this" ;-)
22:47 VanessaE       right
22:47 VanessaE       well at least I fixed the missing buckets bug :-0
22:47 VanessaE       :-)
22:47 * paxcoder     gives cr
22:57 kaeza          hello all
22:57 Uberi          hi kaeza
22:57 VanessaE       hey kaeza
22:58 paxcoder       is there a way to see through walls again?
22:59 paxcoder       i can't, even with a bobblock
22:59 kaeza          hmm... Is it possible to set metadata on inventory items?
23:00 Uberi          itemstacks?
23:00 Uberi          yeah, they have metadata
23:00 Uberi          but only a string IIRC
23:00 kaeza          that should be enoguh
23:00 kaeza          enough*
23:04 Kacey          hi guys and gals
23:04 VanessaE       hikacey
23:06 Kacey          VanessaE, i am writing down some API ideas
23:07 VanessaE       oh good
23:07 Kacey          ya
23:07 Kacey          so far i only have groups
23:10 Kacey          wow... this RAM project is going to break minetest...
23:10 Uberi          you building RAM module with luacontrollers Kacey?
23:10 VanessaE       groups?
23:11 Kacey          Uberi, microcontrollers i cannot understand luacontrollers
23:11 Uberi          ah
23:11 Kacey          VanessaE, like tube = 1 and pipe = 1
23:11 Kacey          like snappy,choppy,etc
23:11 VanessaE       that is already possible
23:12 Kacey          but there is reciever, pump, and more to come from my mind
23:12 VanessaE       oh pipeworks API
23:13 VanessaE       I was thinking about plants_lib at the moment
23:13 VanessaE       but ok, go on
23:14 Kacey          that is all i have at the moment
23:15 mauvebic       http://www.zimg.eu/i/2140743512 much better for my 1034+ nodes lol
23:15 jojoa1997      O.o
23:16 mauvebic       i needed a searchable inventory my old one was no good lol
23:17 paxcoder       what *exactly* triggers if-sand-in-air-then-fall check?
23:17 mauvebic       when you dig around it
23:17 mauvebic       nodeupate i think
23:17 mauvebic       *nodeupdate()
23:17 Kacey          someone want to work on ROM?
23:18 Kacey          and they said RAM wasnt possible...
23:18 paxcoder       mauvebic, is nodeupdate triggered for rot and burn too?
23:18 mauvebic       not sure i dont have fire or rotting type mods
23:19 mauvebic       i have a fire node but its decorative lol
23:19 paxcoder       it seems it's not! TROLOLOLO
23:19 paxcoder       awww yis
23:20 mauvebic       deco fire ontop of oil rig: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1159919195
23:23 Kacey          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkVl93nM8Y huge...
23:31 paxcoder       how does it keep burning?
23:36 VanessaE       there, plants_lib API.txt is much easier to read now. :-)
23:36 VanessaE       if anyone gives two shits.
23:38 Kacey          anyone here good at mesecons?
23:39 Kacey          http://ompldr.org/vaGFmbw/screenshot_2379471878.png finished RAM (a little more advanced)
23:41 VanessaE       nice oil rid, paxcoder.
23:41 VanessaE       rig*
23:41 paxcoder       not mine
23:42 VanessaE       it's still nice :P
23:43 Sh1fty         is technic now fully compatible with pipeworks?
23:44 Kacey          no
23:44 VanessaE       Sh1fty: well, it uses pipeworks.
23:45 VanessaE       and in fact depends on it, so I'd have to call it "compatible" :-)
23:47 Sh1fty         i was thinking about this: "Conflicts:  technic.  Pipeworks includes several features that were part of technic, but that mod has not been updated to remove them, so for example chests/furnaces won't be able to receive items from neighboring tubes."
23:47 Sh1fty         i see there was an update to technic chests a couple of days ago
23:47 VanessaE       that isn't necessary actually
23:47 VanessaE       RBA's working on that and has already disabled the objects from technic in favor of those in pipeworks.
23:48 VanessaE       you might wanna check the latest git of technic and see how it behaves :-)
23:48 Sh1fty         that's the plan :)
23:54 * Kacey        needs help making a computer in mt...