Time Nick Message 00:00 mauvebic NudeFury you mentionned cars earlier 00:00 qata how do i play 00:00 Menche xrendan: just realized that I built the server without libpng12-dev 00:00 Uberi an interesting game 00:00 Uberi the only winning move is not to play 00:01 Menche quata: you new? what OS? 00:01 Menche the download page is down at the moment, there's been a server move 00:02 marktraceur Menche: qata left 00:03 xrendan Menche: I figured it out I forgot to run apt-get update when I first booted it up. Thanks for the help :D 00:03 Menche ah. darn. HATE it when people pop on, ask something, then pop off 00:03 Menche kinda pointless 00:03 marktraceur *nod* 00:03 marktraceur I hate when people leave IRC 00:03 * marktraceur : 12-day uptime 00:03 Menche especially seconds after they ask something 00:03 marktraceur Actually, the server has been up for 85 days 00:04 mauvebic is the british version of life on mars any better than the US? 00:04 marktraceur But I guess IRC totally failed 12 days ago 00:04 krash hellloooo 00:04 Menche hi 00:05 krash hows it goin 00:05 krash the website, anyone know when it will be back up? 00:06 Menche why is it down anyway? didn't c55 get the old data back? 00:07 Menche forum.minetest.net is up in case you didn't know 00:07 Uberi yeah xyz is hosting noe 00:07 Uberi * now 00:08 Menche and dev.minetest.net 00:08 Menche xXawesome9funkXx is pointless 00:08 marktraceur krash: In short, we're aware of it, and we don't know when it will return 00:09 marktraceur Sorry about that all 00:10 krash ahhh, gotya, thanks, just wanted to do some look and see 00:10 Menche he wasn't really reporting it, he was asking why 00:10 Uberi marktraceur: wait is it down again? I thought I just visited it and it was up 00:10 marktraceur Uhhh 00:10 marktraceur Uberi: http://www.minetest.net/ 00:10 krash the forums up 00:11 Uberi ah 00:11 krash www.minetest.net is temporarily down. See forum. 00:11 Menche what IS going on with the minetest.net main page? 00:11 krash well im curious now 00:11 sema4 note, www. rather than forms. or dev.;) 00:12 krash just wanted to look at the wiki 00:12 Uberi holy moly the forum notifications started working again 00:13 krash ITS A MIRACLE 00:13 krash but seriously, who does the site maintnance 00:13 Menche was just transferred from celeron55 to xyz 00:14 krash so judgeing by the looks of the forums and everything, no offence, but its a bit of a all over the place kinda project right now 00:14 krash ? 00:16 krash ok. sorry to bother yall, was going to offer some help. 00:16 Menche celeron55, who started the whole thing, was hosting everything, but his VPS started acting crazy and going down all the time 00:16 Menche so xyz offered to host it, and the stuff is being transferred right now 00:16 Menche at least thats my understanding of what's going on 00:16 krash ooooo 00:17 krash ok. 00:17 krash sorry bout that 00:18 marktraceur krash: In short yes, the project is a tad disorganized 00:18 marktraceur krash: There have been rumours from c55 about being better 00:18 marktraceur krash: And this weekend we're organizing a documentation sprint to help new contributors 00:19 marktraceur Think "I've never seen this project before and I want to read its code, what do I need to know?" 00:19 Zetetic Does Minetest support joysticks? 00:19 Uberi oh yeah the doc sprint is this weekend 00:19 marktraceur Maybe also coming from "I've played this game but never seen C++ before, what do I need to know?" 00:19 kaeza Zetetic, no 00:19 Zetetic :( 00:19 Uberi marktraceur: I call dibs on the Lua builtins! 00:19 marktraceur Zetetic: I've had OK success with translators 00:19 kaeza Zetetic, use qjoypad :) 00:19 Zetetic Thanks :) 00:19 Uberi mostly because of a lack of experience in C++ 00:20 marktraceur Zetetic: A piece of software that will translate joystick actions into keyboard or mouse ones 00:20 marktraceur Uberi: "dibs" has no effect on the potentially anarchic system I may or may not be using for Saturday 00:20 marktraceur (lol I have no idea how it's organized yet) 00:20 krash ill stop by and check out the sprint 00:20 Uberi cool 00:20 marktraceur Uberi: I'll definitely use people in the best way possible, so no worries 00:21 marktraceur krash: The sprint will be in #minetest-doc 00:21 marktraceur (and hopefully we'll have people stay in there also) 00:21 mauvebic *use people = bad mental imagery lol 00:22 * marktraceur refuses to make a joke in order to preserve his chances that people will attend the sprint 00:22 mauvebic twisted humour 00:22 krash perfect, got it. it would be cool to see this surpas minecraft 00:22 marktraceur mauvebic: I fully intend to put resources on a project, and if you don't intend to work on something, I'd expect you wouldn't show up to an event focused on working! :) 00:23 marktraceur Also, there is a note on the forum post, but is anyone interested in doing an in-person meeting in the Bay Area? 00:23 mauvebic i think that misses the more basic point that i know little about cpp so i wouldn't be much use in the first place :p 00:23 marktraceur mauvebic: Doesn't matter, you can still help 00:24 Uberi marktraceur: what's the Bay area? 00:24 Menche I'm in the Bay Area, if enought other people are I could consider an in-person meeting 00:24 krash i think we just jump in the bay? 00:24 Menche Uberi: I'm assuming the SF BAY? 00:24 krash that area? 00:24 Uberi ah 00:24 Uberi krash: well yes I assume they would meet underwater 00:24 marktraceur Uberi: San Francisco Bay Area 00:25 mauvebic im north of montreal but i do envy your weather lol 00:25 krash ok, gotta clean up the old sub. get it going. 00:25 Menche I have a canoe 00:25 marktraceur I think OldCoder is in the area somewhere 00:25 sema4 i was under the impression most active minetest folk were in EU 00:25 krash i can only fit 4 sadly. 00:25 kaeza I'm in South America; that's even worse 00:25 kaeza :P 00:25 sema4 oh , heh 00:25 mauvebic we got a few canadians, south americans, but large chunks of EU /US 00:25 krash CANADA EH 00:26 mauvebic tabarnacle lol 00:26 sema4 we don't all say eh all the time 00:26 * marktraceur is de-facto Canadian: Born in Minnesota 00:26 jojoa1997 the special_tools(shears) mod is ready http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63657#p63657 00:26 mauvebic you have no idea how many french swear words we have lol 00:26 krash think some duct tape will fix your c++ 00:26 krash no seman, we dont, not all the time, thats right eh 00:26 jojoa1997 VanessaE: please add that mod to your server makes clearing out leaves a lot easier 00:27 Menche Raise you're hand if you're in the Bay Area! 00:27 krash calis tabernac este 00:27 Uberi I think the fire mod is good for that 00:27 mauvebic *osti 00:27 kaeza Menche, your* 00:27 Zetetic I'm in /a/ bay 00:27 Menche can't really see, but whatever 00:27 Menche lol 00:27 krash sorrrry 00:27 kaeza is Montevideo Bay ok? 00:27 sema4 seman, that's a new one :) 00:28 krash ooooooops. 00:28 mauvebic i am in a room, with lights! 00:28 krash wanna be my first mate? 00:28 VanessaE if anyone wants minecraft-like smoke particles, here's what I've been working on: https://github.com/VanessaE/particles 00:28 VanessaE (it's sfan5's, with tweaks by me to look better) 00:28 Menche envisioning a bunch people with computers in a bunch of canoes and rafts connected by wires in the bay 00:28 kaeza lol 00:29 krash HA! 00:29 mauvebic if thats what you think of us than the americans must be living on planks of wood at sea lol 00:29 Menche need someone with a cellular hotspot, people with paddles to keep the canoe city close enough so wires aren't strechted 00:29 VanessaE the above mod is in place on my server if you want to see it in action. 00:29 xrendan Is there a way to fix this error when compiling "dpkg-deb: error: parsing file '/var/tmp/tmp.zgJQUHHgjW/package/DEBIAN/control' near line 7 package 'celeron55-minetest': error in Version string 'c691d61-1': version number does not start with digit " 00:29 Menche lol 00:30 mauvebic we never deregulated our banks like they did lol 00:30 krash no they use pontoons, or house boats. 00:30 mauvebic house boat would be cool 00:30 mauvebic i get sick of living in the same place for too long 00:30 Menche wait, he said Bay AREA, not Bay. got it 00:30 mauvebic i dont like people lol 00:31 Zetetic I might live on a boat fairly soon 00:31 krash yeah but what happens if your house catches on fire, in the middle of a lake, your still screwed 00:31 Zetetic Not a house boat though 00:31 mauvebic what happens if theres a riot in your neighbourhood? your house catches fire lol 00:31 marktraceur krash: Better have two houses then 00:31 mauvebic the likelihood of both is about the same 00:31 jojoa1997 VanessaE: could you add special_tools 00:31 kaeza VanessaE, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_1000004547.jpg 00:31 VanessaE jojoa1997: no 00:31 VanessaE kaeza: 404. 00:32 kaeza again 00:32 kaeza try again 00:32 VanessaE there we go 00:32 jojoa1997 VanessaE:why 00:32 VanessaE jojoa1997: use an evil sword, it cuts leaves and other nodes about as fast as it can get 00:32 scienceandhorror !up 0gb.us 00:32 scienceandhorror !up 0gb.us:30001 00:32 kaeza VanessaE, nice! 00:32 Zetetic I think the bots left 00:32 jojoa1997 fine but i like my texture better 00:32 kaeza scienceandhorror, the bot is not here 00:32 VanessaE kaeza: you like? :-) 00:33 jojoa1997 Zetetic they were kicked 00:33 scienceandhorror Oh, the bots are away. 00:33 sema4 kaeza: are those particles on the torch supposed to resmble smoking.smouldering? 00:33 krash i gotta stop. time to go play around, so just to see, what are some major things that are going to be improved? 00:33 Zetetic jojoa1997: that's just why they left :p 00:33 kaeza VanessaE, of course :) 00:33 Menche celeron55 banned all the bots after one responded to one of the others 00:33 jojoa1997 c55 kicked them 00:33 jojoa1997 he said have just one 00:33 mauvebic lol 00:33 scienceandhorror Can someone check a server manually? I haven't been able to connect, and I think it might be my ISP's fault, since they switched over to IPv6 and routing's been weird. 00:33 kaeza infinite bot loop lol 00:34 Uberi so which is the One True Bot? 00:34 Menche two bots responded to someone's message, then another bot responded to one of the other bots 00:34 marktraceur celeron55++ 00:34 kaeza Uberi, cleverbot :) 00:34 marktraceur Uberi: I suspect we won't have bots for a while because iqualfragile and sfan5 refuse to have a discussion about who gets to stay 00:35 mauvebic lol 00:35 Menche kaeza: there goes all intelligent conversation 00:35 VanessaE brb 00:35 kaeza Menche, you should try TABot 00:36 kaeza (ask TheZenKitteh when he's online) 00:36 Uberi aw no cleverbot 00:36 Menche kaeza: haven't heard of that. Have you seen the cleverbot with the animated human face? i think it's kinda creepy 00:36 Uberi they should have a bot war 00:36 Uberi and the winner gets to stay 00:37 Uberi each bot controls a nuclear missile silo 00:37 Uberi the last bot standing wins 00:37 kaeza brace yourselves... bot spam is coming :D 00:37 Uberi nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan 00:37 mauvebic huh they think they found jimmy hoffa lol 00:37 kaeza like a bot rap battle lol 00:37 jojoa1997 BOOM............................................... O.o 00:38 * jojoa1997 twitch twitch 00:39 Menche I asked cleverbot if it likes minetest 00:39 Menche it said, "Yes you have wonderful eyes." 00:39 VanessaE back 00:39 marktraceur Menche: Not super clever 00:39 marktraceur unix: I love your nick, but not your hostname 00:40 VanessaE kaeza: update. 00:40 VanessaE (minor tweak) 00:40 kaeza ok 00:42 sema4 bbl 00:45 kaeza VanessaE, just noticed this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_1000764507.jpg 00:45 erlehmann VanessaE, you did make pipes? 00:46 VanessaE erlehmann: yes 00:46 kaeza that happens whenever I'm away from the torches 00:46 VanessaE kaeza: can't fix that unless I slow the spawn rate WAAAAAAAAY down 00:46 * marktraceur gasps loudly 00:46 erlehmann VanessaE, gibe mod 00:46 marktraceur erlehmann: You return triumphant! 00:46 VanessaE = celeron55 needs to fix it. :-/ 00:46 VanessaE erlehmann: eh? 00:46 kaeza :/ 00:46 kaeza np with that though 00:47 VanessaE kaeza: of course, you did set up quite a few of the suckers 00:47 erlehmann marktraceur, last time i was here i showed pilzadam wireworld and he made it 00:47 VanessaE I think at any time there are about 5 or 6 smoke entities per torch, so that limits you to about 8 torches in a mapblock 00:47 erlehmann VanessaE, I would be interested in making a better wireworld. 00:47 kaeza VanessaE, I like to do things to the extreme :P 00:47 Uberi whoa better wireworld 00:47 erlehmann oh, particle systems 00:48 erlehmann is there some sort of cable stuff already? 00:48 Menche someone made a wirewold a ways back, i forget who 00:48 erlehmann like, cables laying on the ground? 00:48 Menche mesecons? 00:48 VanessaE erlehmann: mesecons 00:48 kaeza mesecons :) 00:48 erlehmann PilzAdam did. 00:48 erlehmann VanessaE, explain how mesecons works! 00:48 erlehmann also, anyone of you in berlin or around that part of europe? 00:48 VanessaE erlehmann: wish I could, I barely understand it myself - but basically, it's TTL electronics for minetest. 00:48 Menche like redstone, there's a nice tutorial map somewhere on the forum 00:49 VanessaE wires, gates, microcontrollers, and a host of items that respond to electrical signals 00:49 erlehmann VanessaE, what i am suggesting is using this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireworld 00:49 jojoa1997 vanessae did you restart server 00:49 VanessaE jojoa1997: it's up when you're ready to sign in 00:49 kaeza erlehmann, why not use Adam's wireworld? 00:50 erlehmann kaeza, does not look nice. 00:50 jojoa1997 you mean right now it is down 00:50 erlehmann i will make it look better! 00:50 kaeza gl hf :) 00:50 Menche there should be a wireworld standalone game mode with a completely flat map and signlike wireworld nodes 00:50 erlehmann theoretically, we can have cells in minetest https://uhra.herts.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/2299/1735/1/901918.pdf 00:50 erlehmann and living things 00:50 VanessaE jojoa1997: the server is up and I'm on it near where you were at last. 00:51 erlehmann Menche, i think wireworld is easy enough to work in a normal game too. 00:51 jojoa1997 signing on 00:51 erlehmann are there animated nodes in minetest already? 00:51 kaeza erlehmann, nope 00:51 erlehmann me and teddydestodes wanted to make a mechanics mod 00:51 jojoa1997 xyz's build today seems glitchy or it is your server 00:51 erlehmann but he never merged his stuff 00:51 Menche erlehmann, yes 00:51 erlehmann did someone merge the rain? 00:51 marktraceur Ooh, teddydestodes. It has been a long time. 00:51 jojoa1997 i think it is my pc/xyz's build though 00:51 Menche fire, water, and torches are animated 00:52 VanessaE jojoa1997: aw crap, I know what went wrong with pipes. give me a few mins to fix them. 00:52 Menche i want to make animated leaves, so it looks like there's wind 00:52 kaeza you mean animated textures or *proper* nodes? 00:52 jojoa1997 ok and sync with github I WANT WORKING PIPES 00:52 erlehmann animooted nodes 00:52 kaeza animated textures = yes 00:52 kaeza animated nodes = no 00:53 jojoa1997 also did you get the stuff from transport pipes to go in furnace 00:53 Menche luaentities suppport animated meshes 00:53 mauvebic wireworld rules look simple enough 00:53 mauvebic its not even terribly different from what i did with pipes 00:54 mauvebic reminds me of something i read about living systems 00:54 Menche would it be terribly inefficient to animate a node by repeatedly swapping out a series of nodeboxes? 00:55 mauvebic you can animated a node via texture or changing the node 00:55 mauvebic rapiidly changing the nodes can get laggy 00:55 erlehmann i have these mods they are not compatible. need to fix them again! 00:55 VanessaE jojoa1997: there, that should fix it. 00:55 jojoa1997 just look at the animated water in default 00:55 Menche erlehmann: which mods? 00:56 erlehmann http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/minetest-mods/ 00:56 erlehmann Menche, moss that creeps across stones if they are in the dark 00:56 erlehmann and a companion cube 00:56 Menche sounds nice 00:56 erlehmann and a sponge that keeps out water 00:56 erlehmann and obsidian 00:56 Menche sponge sounds really useful for making underwater bases 00:57 Menche might use it when its updated 00:57 erlehmann http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-companion-cube.png 00:57 erlehmann http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-mod-bottle.png 00:57 erlehmann oh, i had a cement mod 00:57 erlehmann http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-cement-aggregate-crafting.png 00:57 Menche there are various bottles now, and i believe mauvebic is working on a cement mod 00:58 erlehmann my one was working 00:58 erlehmann http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-cement-bucket-crafting.png 00:58 erlehmann here cement bucket 00:58 mauvebic cements' already done 00:58 erlehmann and then it was put in http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-cement-pouring-1.png 00:58 erlehmann obsidian was when lava and water met http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-obsidian.png 00:58 erlehmann there is an obsidian knife 00:59 mauvebic cement -> liquids -> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2323 dries into stone & all 00:59 Menche now i feel like browsing around the really old mod pages 00:59 erlehmann i need to get into minetest coding again 00:59 erlehmann Menche, because those are really old mods 01:00 Menche remember using home_mod, i think for the paint 01:00 marktraceur erlehmann: FYI, big event going down on Saturday 01:00 marktraceur erlehmann: Going to try to document the codebase better 01:00 erlehmann is there a current sponge mod? 01:00 Menche and the old farming mod was my favorite 01:00 mauvebic well you can worldedit out all the water 01:00 mauvebic or use invisible boundary blocks 01:01 Menche normal players wouldn't have worldedit 01:01 erlehmann how activate mods? 01:01 * VanessaE pokes at jojoa1997 for signs of life 01:01 Menche once an unauthorized player got worldedit on my server, i've never seen so much lava 01:01 Menche lol 01:01 erlehmann there is a directord mods/minetest in which i have put the mods 01:01 erlehmann put they do not show up 01:01 mauvebic thats something i dont get: why have it if users cant use it? 01:01 Menche for admins and moderators 01:02 * jojoa1997 jumps up and puts a kitten on VanessaE's head 01:02 Menche erlehmann: in ~/.minetest/mods/minetest 01:02 erlehmann VanessaE apparently has made lots of mods 01:02 erlehmann Menche, boo, not freedesktop compatible 01:02 mauvebic is that because no one's figured out how to check worldedit regions against protection zones? 01:02 VanessaE yep, I have made a few 01:03 Menche erlehmann: what would be freedesktop compatible? 01:03 Uberi did someone say WorldEdit? 01:04 erlehmann Menche, using .local/share/minetest/mods for mods, .config/minetest/… for config, .cache/minetest usw. usw. 01:04 Menche i know .desktop files are for freedesktop but i don't know much else 01:04 Uberi if so, all you have to do is override minetest.env:add_node 01:04 Menche ah ok 01:04 erlehmann Menche, http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html 01:04 Menche ok 01:07 Uberi yes, Protector-like mods should definitely override add_node and set_node just to make sure no mods can get around it 01:11 erlehmann where is the mods? 01:11 Menche you have to create the mods/minetest folders if they don't exist 01:11 marktraceur Heh, usw. usw. 01:11 marktraceur That seems wrong 01:11 marktraceur erlehmann: What keyboard layout are you using? 01:11 erlehmann Neo2 01:11 erlehmann i only see minimal development game 01:11 Menche https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game 01:11 Menche games go in ~/.minetest/games (create if it doesn't exist) 01:11 mauvebic a well planned node proteciton should be the next thing to be included imo 01:11 erlehmann Menche, i do not understand 01:11 Menche there are multiple game modes. the main one is minetest_game 01:11 Menche game modes are placed in ~/.minetest/games 01:11 Menche minetest has two official repos now; the main game mode is https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game 01:11 erlehmann so i have ~/.minetest/mods/doors ? 01:11 VanessaE ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/doors 01:11 jojoa1997 mauvbic: help vanessae intigrate your code into hers for pipeworks 01:11 Menche ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/doors 01:11 erlehmann wat 01:11 erlehmann okay 01:11 Menche or ~/.minetest/mods/minimal/doors to use it in minimal 01:13 erlehmann i will repair minetest sponge first 01:13 init minimal doesn't have a lot of things what are included in the minetestgame 01:14 mauvebic they should update minimal to be like minetest_game without all the trimmings 01:14 mauvebic id use it 01:14 kaeza quick question: 1 unit in blender == 1 unit in minetest? 01:14 Menche and the minimal textures should be changed to the minetest_game textures 01:14 Menche and the menubg should be made the new dirt rather than the old one 01:15 mauvebic except for sand cuz it looks better lol 01:15 Menche has anyone noticed the TAPE AND GLUE written vertically down the side of the singleplayer tab? 01:16 Menche is that still there? 01:16 mauvebic :/ 01:16 mauvebic havent noticed 01:16 VanessaE Menche: yes 01:17 Menche also, the configure button on the singleplayer tab is also a placeholder 01:17 Menche doesn't do anything 01:20 mauvebic jesus the mob war here is far from over lol they just found 3 more bodies 01:20 mauvebic never a slow news day lol 01:21 erlehmann i have NO MODS LOADING 01:21 erlehmann :( 01:21 mauvebic whats really funny:our last mayor quit a month ago over corruption allegations, the new mayor is already being investigated for the same lol 01:21 mauvebic where did you put them? 01:23 erlehmann in /home/erlehmann/.minetest/mods/minetest/ 01:23 Menche you do have RUN_IN_PLACE disabled? if not they go in [minetest build folder]/mods/minetest 01:23 Menche and you 01:23 VanessaE erlehmann: are you running a run-in-place build or system-wide? 01:23 Menche oops, hit enter 01:23 Menche and you are using minetest_game? 01:23 mauvebic i usually put them in /usr/share/minetest/games/... but thats arch 01:23 erlehmann VanessaE, in-place. 01:24 erlehmann VanessaE, should I recompile? 01:24 VanessaE erlehmann: what Menche said :-) 01:24 marktraceur mauvebic: Is the new mayor being charged with corrupting the investigation of the previous mayor's corruption? 01:24 VanessaE put them in celeron55-minetest-blahblah/mods/minetest 01:24 erlehmann Menche, how i use minetest_game? 01:24 erlehmann i only see minimal 01:24 mauvebic no he prolly already had his hand in the cookie jar and took the post to conceal that fact lol 01:24 marktraceur mauvebic: If so, is it possible that the previous mayor is corrupting that investigation into the current mayor's corruption scandal about corrupting the previous mayor's corruption investigation? 01:24 mauvebic kinda like burlesconi lol 01:24 VanessaE erlehmann: minetest_game goes in celeron55-minetest-blahblah/games 01:24 mauvebic sp? 01:24 Menche put the minetest_game in [minetest build folder]/games for run in place 01:25 VanessaE then you create a new world aroundf it 01:25 VanessaE -f 01:26 mauvebic marktraceur well montreal is a shit city, we pay more for infrastructure than anywhere else in america i think 01:26 mauvebic and it still falls on our heads lol 01:26 mauvebic i dont think much of paying taxes or fines either lol 01:26 erlehmann now i see minetest_game 01:27 erlehmann Menche, VanessaE, give me a filesystem tree layout 01:27 Menche https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L41 01:27 Menche info about paths 01:27 mauvebic if you see the mod folders default and bucket, thats prolly the place you want to put your mods :-) 01:27 VanessaE erlehmann: 01:27 VanessaE celeron55-minetest-blahblah 01:27 VanessaE games 01:27 VanessaE minetest_game 01:27 VanessaE minimal 01:27 VanessaE mods 01:27 VanessaE minetest 01:27 VanessaE particles 01:27 VanessaE doors 01:27 VanessaE ... 01:27 marktraceur VanessaE: Pastebin 01:28 VanessaE like that, except I guess I coulda put some lines in there too :-) 01:28 erlehmann ah. 01:28 VanessaE marktraceur: too late, that's all of it :D 01:28 marktraceur VanessaE: And next time, you won't do that 01:28 Menche I disable RUN_IN_PLACE on one of my builds and use ~/.minetest/mods/minetest 01:28 mauvebic erlehmann http://www.zimg.eu/i/2258140834 01:28 VanessaE on my machine I use a system-wide install, so trade celerom55-minetest-blahblah for ~/.minetest 01:29 VanessaE s/om/on/ 01:29 marktraceur mauvebic: Bet you have some kickass roads, though! 01:30 mauvebic marktraceur http://images.lpcdn.ca/435x290/200910/01/112877.jpg 01:30 mauvebic they used 70's gangsters instead of rebars lol 01:31 marktraceur mauvebic: At least it was on dry land! 01:31 erlehmann oh, you need to enter a name for the game 01:31 marktraceur mauvebic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge#Collapse 01:32 marktraceur Minnesota. Them's my peeps. 01:32 mauvebic omg i saw that video on youtube a year ago 01:32 erlehmann looks very comic-like 01:32 Uberi it's insane 01:32 mauvebic that was fucked up too 01:32 erlehmann intredasting 01:32 Uberi all I thought was, "I sure hope those people had car insurance" <_< 01:32 mauvebic my father was a civil engineer so i always had an interest in that sortof thing lol 01:33 erlehmann oh, the water is animooted! 01:33 VanessaE erlehmann: you should see the game with my HDX pack installed ;) 01:33 erlehmann VanessaE, i am not interested in high resolution 01:33 VanessaE it comes in low-rez as well 01:34 mauvebic oh come on, i redid all my crops in 32px :p 01:34 mauvebic you can actually tell a strawberry from a tomato, its epic 01:34 erlehmann oh funny 01:34 erlehmann :3 01:34 mauvebic :p 01:34 erlehmann o.0 01:35 mauvebic there tis' http://www.zimg.eu/i/2632589185 01:35 init i don't see any point of "not using some hdx pack" 01:35 mauvebic slow computers 01:35 mauvebic you have to make room for everyone 01:35 init ? 01:35 init mauvebic: netbook here 01:35 mauvebic i got one too 01:36 mauvebic i get weird polygons that aren't part of the program when yaw changes 01:36 mauvebic netbooks have funky graphics drivers on linux lol 01:36 init intel atom n270 + Intel Mobile 945GME 01:36 mauvebic still better than windows 7 lol 01:36 mauvebic lemme check 01:36 init + 128x texture pack, like 2 or 3 FPS less than the default 01:36 mauvebic emachines 355 series 01:37 init with the 512x version i have between 20 to 30 FPS in a default world + minetestgame :P 01:37 mauvebic N455 Atom, 01:37 init better than mine 01:37 init well, my netbook is old 01:37 mauvebic the netbook convinced me to buy an LED screen 01:37 VanessaE my HDX goes from 16px to 512px. enough options there for anyone. 01:37 mauvebic (for the towers) 01:37 init it has between 3 to 4 years 01:38 Uberi VanessaE: you should make a 2x2 texpack! 01:38 mauvebic i had an older emachines model, the battery and webcam were nearly fried lol 01:38 VanessaE Uberi: no. :-) 01:38 init Uberi: 1x1! 01:38 mauvebic so i sold it for half the price 01:38 init i'm going to buy a x6 6100 + gt 610 01:38 init amd fx x6 :D 01:39 mauvebic i always buy the cheapest notebooks/towers and upgrade the parts (parts are cheaper then buying a *nice* tower from the shop) 01:39 mauvebic besides a *nice* tower in stores me alot of everything, and i only want alot of certain things (gfx, storage) 01:39 VanessaE brb 01:39 mauvebic *me = has 01:40 Uberi I want a 1x1 texpack 01:40 Uberi all this high res 16x16 is driving me nuts 01:40 Dogzilla131 who can give me a website where the images are not copyrighted? Its for mod of pokemon blocks :D 01:40 mauvebic my old P4 : the only original parts is the motherboard and P4 lol 01:40 Uberi reusableart.org, Dogzilla131? 01:40 Menche i made a 4x4. haven't noticed any fps difference 01:41 Menche however, some weird rendering bugs don't affect the 4x4 textures 01:41 mauvebic howdy gambit 01:41 Gambit Sup? 01:41 erlehmann oh, a fire animation! 01:42 marktraceur Gambit: Any trouble with any of these hooligans? 01:42 init mauvebic: where do you live? 01:42 Dogzilla131 Uberi: org? 01:42 Gambit marktraceur: landmine was back yesterday 01:42 marktraceur Guh. 01:42 marktraceur Gambit: Have some logs? 01:42 Gambit I'm really tired. I just turned my computer on to watch The Dark Knight :< 01:42 marktraceur 19% for my own entertainment, but also so I can ban some of his IPs 01:43 Uberi hello Gambit 01:43 Gambit Tomorrow maybe. 01:43 Uberi marktraceur: I'm sure he doesn't REALLY have infinite IPs 01:43 marktraceur *nod* 01:43 Menche once I banned landmine's entire netblock 01:43 Uberi eventually he has to run out 01:43 marktraceur Uberi: Infinite, no. But we'll chip away. 01:43 Menche he was the only one on that isp 01:43 Uberi what 01:43 init the banlist isn't infinite 01:44 Menche he could only get IPs from a certain group, and I banned the whole thing 01:44 Dogzilla131 Who else knows a website that has not copy righted images that may have pokemon images? 01:44 init i think /ignore just works better 01:44 mauvebic cant we program the game to crash just for him? 01:44 marktraceur mauvebic: It's against the LGPL 01:44 marktraceur (or if it isn't, the LGPL is wrong) 01:44 erlehmann who is landmine? 01:45 erlehmann wat 01:45 marktraceur erlehmann: A really prolific griefer and troll 01:45 Menche a notorious troll/griefer 01:45 marktraceur erlehmann: Causes trouble in game and on IRC 01:45 Uberi marktraceur: how is it against the GPL? :P 01:45 marktraceur erlehmann: Gambit here is an op at #minecraft and has had similar trouble 01:45 Dogzilla131 Who else knows a website that has not copy righted images that may have pokemon images? 01:45 Uberi Dogzilla131: no such thing, Pokemon itself is copyrighted 01:45 marktraceur Uberi: Freedom 0 is the freedom to use the software for anything. That includes "being LandMine". 01:46 marktraceur And besides, he could very simply remove the code that made that change 01:46 Uberi marktraceur: he is free to use it, though it is not necessarily for what he wants it to do 01:46 mauvebic fine, lets' call it the anal filter and we can ban whoever is anal like landmine 01:46 Menche marktraceur: i think that applies to being able to get, modify, and use the code 01:46 Uberi the GPL disclaims warranty, after all 01:46 Dogzilla131 Uberi right then should i acknowledge the site where i got the images? 01:46 marktraceur Uberi: The solution in this case is probably to have adequate admin tools, not trying to prevent a client from acting in a certain way 01:47 Uberi Dogzilla131: no, the rights to pokemon are reserved and you can't legally use them without permission from the creators 01:47 Uberi marktraceur: of course, it is more of a thought experiement 01:47 marktraceur Dogzilla131: Except for fair use, which is complicated, look it up or consult with a lawyer 01:47 mauvebic you could always rig the jail mod to pick up on all his hicks 01:47 Uberi marktraceur: oh are you aware of the rollback workaround he brought up? 01:48 marktraceur mauvebic: Hehe, hicks. 01:48 Menche is there a way to autoban players with names like llIIIIIllllIII? 01:48 Uberi Dogzilla131: yeah fair use applies usually to educational or personal purposes though 01:48 marktraceur Uberi: I know about rollback, yeah. Never enabled it, pretty useless. 01:48 Uberi Menche: sure, a mod could probably do that 01:48 marktraceur Menche: Totally possible with regexes. 01:48 Dogzilla131 I wont win money 01:48 Menche l and I are identical in some fonts, makes it hard to ban them 01:48 Uberi Dogzilla131: doesn't matter, though 01:48 marktraceur Well, maybe not 01:49 marktraceur May need to run it through some functions 01:49 Uberi Dogzilla131: you are distributing that content, you are bound by copyright law 01:49 VanessaE note to self: the big red switch turns the computer off. gracelessly. :-) 01:49 marktraceur if has_consecutive_chars( name ) then minetest.fucking_ban_that_bitch( name ) 01:49 marktraceur end 01:49 Menche marktraceur: awesome function name :) 01:49 Uberi heheh 01:50 marktraceur Coming soon: marktraceur's profanity-laced Minetest API! 01:50 Uberi woooo 01:50 Dogzilla131 Uberi: Ok then i won't do it. 01:50 Gambit Copyright 101 should be a highschool course 01:50 marktraceur minetest.register_a_goddamn_node( 01:50 Gambit Some day... 01:50 marktraceur minetest.if_you_wanna_craft_this_shit( 01:50 Menche minetest.what_the_hell_is_player_pointing_at() 01:50 Uberi marktraceur: I'd use that 01:51 Uberi heheheh 01:51 Gambit So many people over at Wesnoth think it's okay to make Lord of the Rings add-ons if they just "give credit" 01:51 Uberi Gambit: perhaps followed by a good smackin' upside the head 01:51 marktraceur minetest.where_the_hell_is_the_closest( 'default:dirt_with_grass' ) 01:51 Gambit Uberi: Well it goes both ways. 01:51 Gambit People violate others' copyrights. 01:51 Gambit But they also have no clue about their own. 01:52 VanessaE immediately followed by classes on fair use and when to ignore copyrights. 01:52 marktraceur VanessaE: One-second class on when to ignore copyrights: ALWAYS 01:52 VanessaE (e.g. "Why should I care if Steamboard Willy is copyrighted") 01:52 Uberi Gambit: definitely, all content creators should be aware of their and everyone else's rights 01:52 VanessaE marktraceur: remember, without copyrights, copyleft wouldn't exist. 01:52 marktraceur Thanks, that'll be $50, you can send your checks to Mark Holmquist Community Colleg, PO Box..... 01:52 VanessaE Steamboat* 01:53 VanessaE brb 01:54 VanessaE there we go. finally got my system up-to-date. 01:54 VanessaE damn new kernels anyway 01:54 Uberi VanessaE: new kernels are the best! 01:55 VanessaE Uberi: sure, if they fix something user-facing. otherwise it's just another reason to reboot ;-) 01:55 mauvebic ive gotten used to testing new images on spare partitions lol i dont know why 01:55 Uberi my friend upgraded his kernel, and he won the lottery the day after 01:55 VanessaE heh 01:56 Dogzilla131 Uberi: then ill change from pokemond to Dog breeds :D 01:56 Dogzilla131 is that better 01:56 Uberi totally 01:56 erlehmann oh, there are slabs! 01:57 VanessaE erlehmann: and lots more :-) 01:57 Uberi and stairs! 01:57 VanessaE and 3d players, oh my! 01:57 kaeza Dogzilla131, Dog Breeds are © 0 G*d, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 01:57 Dogzilla131 :S 01:59 Dogzilla131 then ill make my own dog breeds :P 01:59 Dogzilla131 jk, too hard, and to risky for the dogs 01:59 Dogzilla131 health 02:11 erlehmann i need to code mod :) 02:13 NakedFury mod or source. both welcomed 02:15 Kacey hello 02:15 erlehmann how i have a sponge node but it cannot into being picked up 02:15 Menche hi 02:15 Uberi hey Kacey 02:16 Kacey Menche: have you decided yet? 02:16 Kacey Uberi hi 02:16 Menche Kacey: I'll begin work on it tonight after I finish my homework 02:16 Kacey homework sux lol 02:16 Menche well, continue work. a basic world is up 02:16 Menche with minimal 02:17 Kacey orly? 02:17 Kacey menche.servegame.net? 02:17 Menche i just have to add mods and make a new world 02:17 Menche and configure spawn point, etc. 02:17 Menche that is, if I use a new world 02:18 Menche yes, there should be a junk world with minimal game on menche.servegame.com:30000 02:18 Kacey well as i said you can make a new map and put the old map on a different server 02:19 Menche I only have one working computer capable of running a server right now 02:19 Kacey run two servers on the same computer but diff. ports 02:19 Menche really, I only have the wits and patience to admin one 02:20 kaeza erlehmann, explain 02:20 Menche what with the recent return of lm and max 02:20 Menche not sure if my pentium 4 is powerful enough for 2 servers 02:20 Kacey simple ban them both until they show they are worthy 02:20 erlehmann kaeza, i make sponge mod. it displaces water 02:21 Menche would anyone here know one of lm 02:21 Menche 's ips? 02:21 Menche sorry, hit enter 02:21 Menche if I have an ip I can look up his netblock 02:22 Menche erlehmann: you can't dig the block? you have to add snappy, choppy, etc groups. 02:22 Menche look at existing mods and lua_api.txt 02:23 Kacey haha spammed menche's server 02:24 Menche I saw your connection on the log :) 02:24 Kacey haha 02:24 Menche going afk for maybe half an hour, its dinnertime 02:27 erlehmann hat is „snapp” group? 02:27 erlehmann snappy? 02:29 erlehmann Menche, what is snappy? 02:29 Kacey he is afk 02:32 erlehmann great 02:32 erlehmann my sponge mod works again! 02:32 kaeza erlehmann, link? 02:33 erlehmann kaeza, let me make it better, wait a few minutes 02:33 kaeza k 02:33 kaeza tyt 02:34 Kacey mmmmmmm popcorn 02:35 kaeza Kacey, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-teather_decor.png 02:36 Menche erlehmann: snappy is like leaves and i think papyrus 02:36 xrendan where can i get that mod? 02:36 kaeza xrendan, mine? 02:39 Kacey wb Menche 02:40 Menche i think i'll begin downloading the old map 02:41 Menche is it strange to use git for map backups? i figured it would be really easy to revert to a given backup with git 02:41 Kacey can i have a copy of the old map? 02:42 Menche can use .tar.gz archives? the git host i'm using doesn't use zipx 02:42 Menche *zips 02:42 Menche and its a large download 02:43 Menche anyway, the link is https://gitorious.org/minetest_worlds_menche/server_world_1/archive-tarball/master 02:43 Menche it may take a while to generate 02:44 Kacey would mesecons go on the old map? 02:44 Menche to be precise, it is 305 MB 02:45 Menche ? you could use mesecons on it, there aren't any mesecon constructions in the world though 02:46 Kacey thats what i meant 02:46 Menche mesecons had been mostly removed from the world. There are a few entities that weren't removed. 02:47 Menche wonder if my machine can run mesecons 02:47 Menche also, i'll see if carts run 02:49 Kacey carts would be good 02:49 Kacey how much RAM on your machine 02:49 Menche 2.5G 02:50 Menche and about 2G of swap, but that should never be used 02:51 Kacey jeez i rock 768mb and i can run mesecons without a problem 02:51 Menche maybe performance has improved 02:52 Menche also, the server was previously on my liddle Atom netbook 02:52 * kaeza has 4GB but mobs are still a problem 02:52 kaeza wb V 02:52 Kacey i have a LITTLE acer netbook 02:52 kaeza having problems? 02:52 Menche acer aspireone here 02:53 Kacey same here 02:53 VanessaE that's much better 02:53 VanessaE clean out a little dust from the computers and the power usage drops by 100W. 02:53 Kacey still running xp on it? 02:53 VanessaE damn home remodeling is doing a number on our PCs as well as our lungs 02:53 Menche who, me? I've always been debian on my servers 02:53 kaeza heh 02:54 Kacey i run xubuntu on my acer 02:54 VanessaE xubuntu ftw! 02:54 kaeza no 02:54 Menche once my laptop would regularly overheat and shutdown while doing nothing. 02:54 kaeza puppy ftw! 02:54 Menche I blasted the vents out with compressed air and now I can run xonotic with full settings and it just gets a bit warm 02:54 Menche Arch FTW! 02:54 Menche IMO debian stable is the best for servers 02:55 kaeza Windows ftw! <== KILL ME 02:55 Menche i hadn't touched my server for a few months and it only had like 2 updates 02:55 Kacey haha OS X for fancy graphics linux for developing and windows for suicide 02:56 kaeza nope 02:56 kaeza Windows for gaming :) 02:56 kaeza *real* gaming :)( 02:56 Menche apple makes me use windows 02:56 kaeza -( 02:56 Menche have a dual-booted windows, the only thing i use it for is iTunes and jailbreak stuff for my iPod 02:57 Kacey windows will force an update when you are in the middle of a game 02:57 Menche SC2 runs just fine in Linux under Wine for me 02:57 kaeza brb gonna install black mesa deathmatch on Win7 ^_^ 02:57 Kacey i dual-booted windows when it erased the config file 02:57 Menche and minecraft runs native, well, as native as Java can be ;) 02:58 Kacey but i have to make bill gates mad 02:59 Menche and now I like windows even less 02:59 Menche i can't figure out how to close a window in windows 8 02:59 * kaeza is now installing bm:d in wine instead 02:59 Kacey windows 8 sux 03:00 Menche windows 8 apparently can only display full-screen programs 03:00 Menche so, windows no longer has windows 03:00 * Kacey cannot figure out why nobody believed him about the old computer 03:00 Kacey upper left corner :) 03:00 Menche what? 03:01 Kacey put your mouse in one of the left corners 03:01 Kacey and may i suggest using desktop mode? 03:01 VanessaE jeez, Minetest weighs in at 80W on my computer 03:01 Kacey wow 03:01 Menche my way of fixing windows' problems: reformat to ext4 and install linux 03:03 Kacey my way of fixing windows : straight up install lnux :) 03:03 Menche yep :) 03:03 kaeza VanessaE, my physics teacher would be pissed off by that statement 03:04 kaeza she would say "Use the damn correct unit" :) 03:04 Menche what, weighing in Watts? lol 03:04 Menche how many watts are in a gram? 03:05 VanessaE kaeza: well *technically*....at 121VAC input...that would translate to around 0.66A. 03:05 Menche ok, world downloaded, now to upload the needed mods 03:05 VanessaE that's enough info to figure out the electron charge, which can then be converted to mass :-) 03:06 kaeza ....ok...I guess... 03:06 VanessaE which, in turn, can be used to figure out the actual weight of the game at 1G :-) 03:06 VanessaE so your physics teacher either better be smart enough to follow the same train of thought, or one of us is an idiot ;-) 03:06 * Kacey wonders how much minetest weighs 03:07 Kacey my science teacher was confused today about the fourth dimension 03:07 erlehmann VanessaE, how make i something instant breakable with hand, like flowers? 03:07 Menche if you could figure out the weight of one of the magnetic particles on a hard disk platter 03:07 VanessaE erlehmann: I'm not sure, something about dig_immediate in digging groups in your mod 03:07 VanessaE or latest minetest which has something like that in creative mode 03:08 erlehmann VanessaE, how you do it with hands? 03:08 erlehmann with plants? 03:08 VanessaE I didn't :-) 03:08 Menche oddly_breakable_by_hand is one of the groups 03:08 VanessaE I just gave them normal groups :-) 03:08 erlehmann like? 03:09 kaeza dig_immediate=2 03:09 kaeza IIRC 03:09 VanessaE groups = { snappy = 3,flammable=2, flower=1 }, 03:09 kaeza take a look at how torches are implementes 03:09 kaeza ted* 03:09 VanessaE that's the bulk definition used in flowers 03:09 VanessaE waterlilies and seaweed are similar. 03:10 Menche minetest, or homework? *sigh* 03:10 VanessaE Menche: minetest, obviously. 03:11 Menche thats what i did last semester 03:11 Menche :( 03:12 kaeza brb 03:13 Menche aaaand mods transferred, now for the config 03:14 Menche forget what the old world's static spawn was 03:16 kaeza back 03:16 xrendan How do you select the world to run in linux? 03:16 Menche --map-dir 03:16 Kacey --worldname name or --world pat 03:16 kaeza --world-dir 03:16 Kacey that none ^ 03:16 Kacey one, even 03:17 xrendan thanks] 03:17 * kaeza will now play NFS:MW 03:17 Menche not --world-dir, --map-dir 03:17 * Oblivion1500 is playing games to stay in shape:) 03:18 Menche Sprinting miles carrying 100s of tons of stone is great exercise 03:19 xrendan kI'm getting ERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found. when I try to run it 03:19 kaeza xrendan: can you show us the line you use? 03:19 Kacey kaeza : 360? 03:19 kaeza Kacey: win7 03:20 Kacey windows of course 03:20 Kacey i have it for the 360 03:20 Menche a windows user? *wields steel sword* 03:20 xrendan root@Brendan:~/celeron55-minetest-c691d61/bin# minetestserver --world ~/celeron55-minetest-c691d61/world/fun 03:20 kaeza wanna play a race? 03:20 Kacey no 03:21 kaeza :( 03:21 Kacey the ea servers are shut down for mw on the 360 03:21 kaeza oh sh*t 03:21 Kacey plus im at my grandmas 03:21 erlehmann sponge! http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-sponge-2.png 03:22 VanessaE cool, my HDX sponge texture will finally get some use ;) 03:22 kaeza erlehmann: put big round eyes on it and a pair of teeth :P 03:22 VanessaE bad kaeza! bad! no cookie for you! 03:22 erlehmann nope 03:22 erlehmann VanessaE, you have a sponge texture? 03:22 VanessaE erlehmann: somewhere around here I have one for HDX, yeah. it was for an old mod that has long since disappeared. 03:23 erlehmann guess who made that old mod! 03:23 VanessaE hehe 03:23 VanessaE guess I better dust off the textures then ;) 03:23 erlehmann early sponge looked like this http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-sponge.png 03:24 Menche is there a good way to replace all old xdoors doors? 03:24 Menche all my server's doors are unknown blocks :( 03:24 Kacey abm 03:25 Menche i think I'll just have it remove them, replacing them with the right orientation will be a pain 03:25 mrtux Menche, does your minetest server still exist? 03:25 mrtux I miss it 03:25 mrtux ;_; 03:26 Menche as of 2 seconds ago, yes 03:26 mrtux nice 03:26 Menche your house is gone, though 03:26 mrtux it's okay 03:26 Menche map corruption i think 03:26 Kacey he is working on strating the old world up 03:26 mrtux nice 03:26 mrtux I loved that server 03:26 Kacey what was with that furnace in the ocean? 03:26 Menche its up, btw. passwords should be the same 03:26 mrtux I remember playing on it pretty much every day 03:26 mrtux ah 03:26 mrtux IP? 03:26 Menche menche.servegame.com:30000 03:26 Kacey will check tomorrow morning 03:26 mrtux okay 03:26 Kacey i must go to bed for now 03:27 Kacey no i have a few minutes 03:27 xrendan Where should I put the world since when I compiled the game there wasn't a world folder like in windows 03:27 Menche i still have to install the node ownership, fix the doors, add another protection mod 03:27 Kacey make a worlds foldoe 03:27 Menche perhaps a few other things 03:27 Kacey folder, even 03:27 Kacey are privs the same? 03:28 Menche xrendan: did you do RUN_IN_PLACE? 03:28 kaeza xrendan: ~/.minetest/worlds 03:28 erlehmann VanessaE, Kacey, mrtux, Menche, http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/minetest-mods/sponge.tar.gz 03:28 erlehmann is there a mod database? 03:28 Menche Kacey: thats another thing i have to fix. You should have the same privs you had, though. and passwords should be the same 03:28 * kaeza was not highlighted by erlehmann 03:28 Kacey ya i am in 03:28 kaeza :( 03:29 erlehmann MEIN NAME IST MINETEST JA 03:29 erlehmann ICH BIN IN LUA SKRIPTBAR JA 03:29 erlehmann DAS BETRIEBSSYSTEM IST DAS PROBLEM JA 03:29 erlehmann :3 03:29 Menche erlehmann: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/ 03:29 xrendan Menche: yes I did 03:29 VanessaE erlehmann: forums, Mod Releases section 03:29 kaeza nicht 03:29 Menche xrendan: if RUN_IN_PLACE is enabled, [minetest build folder]/worlds, if disabled, ~/.minetest/worlds 03:29 VanessaE erlehmann: you need to rename your image file 03:30 erlehmann vanessaE, why? 03:30 VanessaE it should be sponge_sponge_bob.png or similar 03:30 VanessaE that's how mods are done now 03:30 VanessaE modname_imagename_variation.png 03:30 erlehmann it is named bob. 03:30 erlehmann the mod is sponge 03:30 kaeza YAY! can we make Patrick now? :3 03:30 VanessaE haha 03:30 erlehmann so the texture name is sponge_bob.png 03:30 erlehmann :D 03:31 erlehmann kaeza, he has the special superpower of livin under a rock? 03:31 kaeza and flooding the world with his drooling :D 03:32 xrendan Menche and kaeza: Thanks a lot 03:32 kaeza xrendan: yw ;) 03:32 erlehmann well, i think spongebob will be useful 03:32 erlehmann for example to prevent underwater facilities from being flooded 03:33 VanessaE erlehmann: well now all you gotta do is make an appropriate topic in Modding General and one of us will move it to Releases :-) 03:33 erlehmann VanessaE, how i post topic lol? 03:34 erlehmann i will just post somewhere. 03:35 xrendan I keep getting ERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found. 03:35 Kacey i must go 03:37 xrendan DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS? 03:37 xrendan sorry caps lock was on 03:37 xrendan :( 03:38 xrendan nevermind I'm dumb 03:38 VanessaE erlehmann: justhead to the forums, find the Modding General section, and hit the link near the top right 03:39 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/post.php?fid=9 03:40 VanessaE ^^^ the link in question 03:42 erlehmann You do not have permission to access this page. 03:43 erlehmann it seems you don't want me to post there? 03:43 VanessaE wha? 03:43 VanessaE did you log in? 03:48 erlehmann VanessaE, why would i log in somewhere? 03:48 VanessaE erlehmann: most of us are logged in when we post on the forums :-) 03:48 VanessaE as in, forum account, etc. 03:49 erlehmann VanessaE, why would you need an account to post something? 03:50 VanessaE erlehmann: I'm just guessing, I don't run the forums after all :-) 03:51 erlehmann VanessaE, i posted on an imageboard where i do not need an account 03:51 VanessaE oh. 03:51 TheZenKitteh most sites that require accounts is due to the trolls and spammers that ruined it for the rest of us 03:52 erlehmann http://krautchan.net/board/prog/thread/2114#2114 03:52 TheZenKitteh no idea what site or forum you talk of since I wasn't here for that 03:52 TheZenKitteh lol 03:52 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, i hear that often, but do you have evidence that registration cuts down on trolls? 03:52 erlehmann i mean people in this IRC channel did not have to register, did they? 03:53 TheZenKitteh it keeps out the lazy ones 03:53 TheZenKitteh lol 03:53 erlehmann ? 03:53 TheZenKitteh I personally hate having to have an account to post a comment on blogs and such 03:54 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, evidence that trolls are more lazy than other users? 03:54 TheZenKitteh forums I can see a mix of anonymous and non but forums tend to get a lot of bots that cause a lot of chaos 03:54 erlehmann the trolls i know are less lazy and very committed to trolling 03:54 TheZenKitteh I didn't say all trolls are lazy.. just some are and account registration keeps those out 03:54 TheZenKitteh account registration to a degree discourages bots as well.. or at least makes the bot owners life a little harder 03:54 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, and account registration keeps me out, who wanted to contribute. 03:55 TheZenKitteh then you have captchas which I hate as well 03:55 TheZenKitteh for forums it takes like 3 mins to register 03:55 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, how many spam problems do you have on 4chan outside of random? 03:55 TheZenKitteh most browsers also can save login info and you can set it to keep you logged in on most forums 03:55 TheZenKitteh I don't go to 4chan 03:55 TheZenKitteh anymore 03:55 TheZenKitteh lol 03:56 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, iso every person who wishes to contribute shall spend 3 minutes (which in my case would be more than i spent writing my post) to register because some people are trolls? 03:56 TheZenKitteh as of now and recent I've been devoting my spare time to learning, minetest and writing 03:56 TheZenKitteh you have spent more than 3 mins complaining about it :P 03:56 erlehmann I do not see the evidence that it keeps out more trolls than non-trolls. 03:57 TheZenKitteh you could have already registered wherever it is and posted and be doen 03:57 TheZenKitteh done* 03:57 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, because I want to understand how people think that registration keeps out trolls? 03:57 erlehmann I am writing a book on that topic 03:57 OldCoder Hi 03:57 erlehmann well, not actually on that topic 03:57 erlehmann but on internet memes 03:57 erlehmann and registration vs. anonymous use is a big thing for culture 03:57 TheZenKitteh personally my view is there is really very few cases where account registration is "needed" 03:57 TheZenKitteh but I have adapted since the places I have accounts I like 03:57 erlehmann all the internet memes do not come from facebook 03:58 TheZenKitteh the rest I use bugmenot or just don't use them 03:58 OldCoder marktraceur, which area? 03:58 erlehmann so where is the bugmenot for minetest forum? 03:58 TheZenKitteh likely doesn't exist 03:58 TheZenKitteh minetest isn't very well known yet 03:58 TheZenKitteh however I found registering for the minetest forum to be worth the time 03:58 TheZenKitteh since I do contribute 03:58 erlehmann why? 03:59 erlehmann what is the benefit of registering for me as a user? 03:59 TheZenKitteh took me less than 3 mins and I've had the account over a year now 03:59 TheZenKitteh profile, avatar, credit 03:59 erlehmann is there anything that *needs* the registration technically? 03:59 TheZenKitteh people can verify it is you 03:59 TheZenKitteh you can tie a "name" to your work 03:59 erlehmann I can do that already 03:59 erlehmann have a blog and a PGP key and email and Git 03:59 TheZenKitteh you can also use it to build reputation within the community 04:00 TheZenKitteh sadly not many use gpg from what I've seen 04:00 VanessaE erlehmann: some Minetest servers also require you to register on the forums first. Redcrab's, mine, maybe others. 04:00 TheZenKitteh seems nobody I talk to uses it for communications or verification lol 04:00 TheZenKitteh dtamedia server requires you not only have a forum account but have some rep too. the reason is trolls and griefers 04:00 TheZenKitteh it works too 04:00 erlehmann VanessaE, why? 04:01 TheZenKitteh those with rep generally don't want to lose it 04:01 erlehmann what do trolls do? 04:01 VanessaE erlehmann: in the case of servers, it helps cut down on griefing. 04:01 erlehmann VanessaE, what is your trollserver called? 04:01 VanessaE I have no trollserver, just a server :-) 04:01 TheZenKitteh player spends hours on a project. troll/griefer comes and destroys all their work. player gets pissed as they cannot do anything to get troll/griefer back. server suffers 04:01 VanessaE (vanessae.mine.bz:30000) 04:01 erlehmann vanessa.mine.bz? 04:03 erlehmann TheZenKitteh, wouldn't it be easier to declare a structure built by a person to be immutable as long as that person is there? 04:04 TheZenKitteh sadly currently there is no decent griefer protection for servers that don't welcome griefers 04:04 TheZenKitteh till there is server admins have to do what they can 04:04 erlehmann oh interesting 04:04 erlehmann VanessaE, you have an extensive filtering 04:05 VanessaE filtering? 04:05 erlehmann there are many things 04:05 erlehmann is that a trampolin there? 04:05 VanessaE you mean the inventory thing? that's RealBadAngel's work :-) 04:05 VanessaE and yes 04:05 TheZenKitteh from what I could tell dtamedia has "harshest" requirements for new players and thus has few players at this time. however those who do play have very little chance at losing their hard work 04:05 erlehmann trampolin mod is a cool thing 04:05 erlehmann whoever coded that? :D 04:06 NakedFury support minetest: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4437 04:06 TheZenKitteh btw vanessae if I recall right didn't you say before that your server automatically restarts if it crashes? 04:07 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: yes, as long as the crash is the sort that result in it exiting rather than locking up. 04:07 VanessaE erlehmann: Jeija did. 04:07 erlehmann battery box? 04:07 erlehmann weird game 04:07 TheZenKitteh how do you do that vanessae? 04:07 erlehmann but one could use it for wireworld! 04:08 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: a one-line script: while true; do sleep 1; minetestserver -various options here; done 04:08 erlehmann rails are everywhere 04:08 VanessaE erlehmann: Technic mod. Also RealBadAngel's. 04:08 erlehmann most popular thing i contributed to the game i think :D 04:09 erlehmann oh, chairs 04:10 erlehmann that flower looks familier 04:12 kaeza_ back on 'buntu 04:12 TheZenKitteh hola mi amigo 04:12 kaeza hola Gatito Zen ^_^ 04:12 TheZenKitteh no habla gatito 04:12 TheZenKitteh lol 04:12 kaeza :3 04:13 erlehmann i do not see any creative commons attribution on there o.0 http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75702611/minetest_tshirt 04:13 TheZenKitteh lol kitten 04:13 kaeza wassup? 04:13 * TheZenKitteh so tired and sore and want coffee but don't wanna get up and make it 04:14 kaeza lol 04:14 TheZenKitteh there's a lot I want to do tonight but so wore out lol 04:14 kaeza why don't they make comps with built-in coffee maker? 04:15 TheZenKitteh don't know 04:15 TheZenKitteh but if I seen a comp with such id buy it 04:15 TheZenKitteh lol 04:15 erlehmann lol solar panel 04:16 kaeza solar panel + not gate = instant night detector :3 04:16 erlehmann lol 04:16 kaeza I use them for the street lights in my city ^_^ 04:17 TheZenKitteh that reminds me wtf is a "not gate" 04:17 TheZenKitteh seen it but never could figure out its purpose 04:17 TheZenKitteh didn't think to look aorund too much 04:17 kaeza negates the binary value 04:17 kaeza logic stuff 04:17 kaeza not 1 = 0 04:18 kaeza or "not on" = "off" 04:18 kaeza "not off" = "on" 04:19 kaeza TheZenKitteh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverter_(logic_gate) 04:30 Leroy Hello? 04:31 Leroy ? 04:32 VanessaE hi 04:36 kaeza lol 04:36 kaeza just said hello and left? 04:44 kaeza zzz 04:45 TheZenKitteh im somewhat here 04:45 TheZenKitteh lol 05:04 jakssoul I've a question for you guys. 05:05 jakssoul If I connect to a wireless network, say a McDonald's free wifi, what information about my PC do they receive? 05:05 jakssoul Just my MAC address? 05:07 NakedFury All your online activity can be recorded 05:08 NakedFury I asked that on another channel btw. I myself dont know 05:12 TheZenKitteh anything anyone on a local network could 05:12 TheZenKitteh mcdonalds has some things in place to help keep others on the hotspot from connecting to you.. but nothing stopping mcdonalds from doing so 05:12 TheZenKitteh a vpn is a good idea 05:13 TheZenKitteh dang I wish I knew more php 06:22 VanessaE zzzz 06:27 NakedFury slow night 06:28 TheZenKitteh hey vanessae and nakedfury 06:28 VanessaE hi 06:28 TheZenKitteh I would be talking but I just sorted through over 2000 unread emails from the account I forgot my password to and finally remembered it 06:29 TheZenKitteh sadly non were important ~_~ 06:29 VanessaE always keep a record of your passwords, preferably in an encrypted file 06:29 VanessaE (so yeah, lock them behind yet another password ;) ) 06:29 TheZenKitteh lol I always rely on memory 06:30 TheZenKitteh not good but about the best I can do without risking compromise 06:30 TheZenKitteh I've never in my life had anyone hijack any account of mine 06:30 VanessaE me neither. 06:30 NakedFury write in a physical notebook 06:30 NakedFury and hide it 06:30 NakedFury or leave it in plain sight 06:30 NakedFury fake diary stuff 06:31 NakedFury passwords in between your daily things 06:31 TheZenKitteh lol password in encrypted file hidden in an image then encrypted again and wrote to a cd which is hidden in hollow of a door in a way you can't access without looking from top? 06:31 VanessaE haha 06:31 VanessaE no, just a simple encrypted file with an impossible-to-guess password that I can still remember :-) 06:32 TheZenKitteh lol I "had" a password I thought was easy to remember 06:32 VanessaE if I had any sense at all, I'd keep the file on a thumbdrive 06:32 TheZenKitteh used it to encrypt some backups 06:32 TheZenKitteh forgot it 06:32 TheZenKitteh just because it was over 30 characters shouldn't mean anything 06:32 TheZenKitteh lol 06:32 VanessaE jeez 06:33 TheZenKitteh but that pasword was 3 nicknames of people I know 06:33 TheZenKitteh however I don't recall one of them 06:33 TheZenKitteh oddly that part of memory went poof 06:33 TheZenKitteh plus various case 06:33 TheZenKitteh I thinkt he case screwed me 06:34 TheZenKitteh oh well im getting older I need to stop being quite so paranoid 06:34 TheZenKitteh brain can't keep up as well as my younger brain 06:34 NakedFury buy a cute teddy bear and inside hide you small usb thumbthingy with all passwords 06:35 TheZenKitteh im my late teens my encryption passwords were over 60 characters mixed case numbers and letters and symbols and memorized 06:35 TheZenKitteh had no issue 06:35 TheZenKitteh lol 06:35 NakedFury holy. mine since always has been the same, SAME 10 character pass 06:35 TheZenKitteh decade later.. issue with remembering passwords over 20 characters 06:36 TheZenKitteh also no two accounts of mine on the net use same pass 06:36 TheZenKitteh in case one is somehow compromised 06:36 TheZenKitteh lol 06:36 NakedFury I have started to change passwords 06:36 NakedFury upper, lower, numbers, words, crazy letters passwords 06:37 TheZenKitteh oh and of interesting note, some company sent in my recently recovered email a full detailed reservation for some guy I don't even know but with similar name 06:37 NakedFury and no O [yes to 0 zero] 06:37 TheZenKitteh including dates flight numbers hotel addresses 06:37 TheZenKitteh and price 06:37 TheZenKitteh shows the importance of doublechecking that you typed your email correctly 06:37 TheZenKitteh good thing im an honest person who wouldn't use such info to do anything 06:38 TheZenKitteh lol 06:38 TheZenKitteh the info in that email had I had access to my email account at the time.. I bet I could have bluffed some agent to give me the credit card number 06:38 TheZenKitteh people can be manipulated 06:38 TheZenKitteh sadly 06:39 TheZenKitteh take note people.. be careful with your data. there are a lot of nasty people out there that have no issue screwing up your financial life 06:39 TheZenKitteh brb gonna make me a bowl of cereal 06:41 OldCoder Hi! 06:41 OldCoder VanessaE, PM please 06:44 kaeza wb OldCoder 06:44 TheZenKitteh back 06:44 kaeza wb 06:44 TheZenKitteh hey oldcoder and kaeza 06:44 TheZenKitteh ty kaeza 06:44 OldCoder kaeza, thank you! 06:44 * OldCoder will catch up with stuff here now 06:44 kaeza yw ^_^ 06:45 TheZenKitteh im so happy I recovered my email.. my youtube attached to it is setup with adsense and very high limits on uploads 06:46 TheZenKitteh lol I think ill take vanessaes advice 06:46 NakedFury do it 06:46 TheZenKitteh of course to satisfy myself id have to do it in my own paranoid way 06:46 TheZenKitteh lol 06:47 TheZenKitteh will have to think how I will store my passwords in a way I feel is "secure enough" 06:47 NakedFury do you leave alone? 06:47 TheZenKitteh I currently rent a room from someone 06:47 NakedFury im pretty sure nobody in your family is interested in your ids/passwords 06:47 NakedFury ohh 06:48 TheZenKitteh I will hopefully by mid year have my own place 06:48 NakedFury sheat of paper inside your favorite book/novel 06:48 TheZenKitteh I hate living with people 06:48 NakedFury I havea notebook with invented food recipes for quick snacks and included are my accounts 06:49 NakedFury im hungry for meat 06:49 TheZenKitteh lol well for ONE password I had for encrypted backups I wrote it down in the middle of a boring arse book that nobody would read enough to find that single page 06:50 TheZenKitteh oh and since I don't use it anymore I will tip everyone off on a good place to stash small things.. like maybe a usb thumb drive 06:51 TheZenKitteh battery area on battery operated appliances that also plug into the wall 06:51 TheZenKitteh keep it plugged into wall, empty battery compartment, stash item in it. close up 06:51 NakedFury I need a new thumb drive 06:51 NakedFury and computer cleaning kit 06:51 NakedFury really need to clean the small areas 06:52 TheZenKitteh I just need more flash drives 06:52 TheZenKitteh I only have two. one is 128MB and one is 4GB 06:52 NakedFury at least they are cheap now 06:52 TheZenKitteh well cheapish 06:52 TheZenKitteh depends on size you want and where you go 06:52 TheZenKitteh I now want an 8GB which is fairly reasonable at local wally world 06:52 TheZenKitteh maybe 3 of them 06:52 NakedFury officemax in my areas was selling animal shaped thumb drives of 8gb for 10 or a little cheaper 06:53 NakedFury 8g or 4gb one of those sizes 06:53 TheZenKitteh I think the local wally world has some 8GB for around $10 06:53 TheZenKitteh a year or so ago when I got the 4GB it was $10 06:53 TheZenKitteh lol 06:54 NakedFury I also buy them if they can be place on my keychain for thumb drives 06:54 TheZenKitteh I like flash drives for booting linux 06:55 TheZenKitteh allows me to run live distros that offer save files 06:55 TheZenKitteh like puppy 06:55 NakedFury never thought of that 06:55 TheZenKitteh also good for putting linux or windows on to install 06:55 NakedFury right now I use them for school stuff and big files of designs 06:55 TheZenKitteh I used to have ALL my personal data on one till I thought what would happen if one day it went poof or was stolen 06:55 TheZenKitteh like passwords messenger accounts etc 06:56 NakedFury add some password protection and if you type the wrong pass 3 times it blows up mission impossible style 06:56 TheZenKitteh it was encrypted but still if lost or borked that would have been stressful 06:57 TheZenKitteh lol that reminds me of a convo a friend and I had about "physical computer security" 06:57 TheZenKitteh one "idea" was to mount a few pounds of thermite inside the case and rigged up so if case was opened without proper procedure it would set off thermite 06:57 NakedFury extreme 06:58 TheZenKitteh lol well gotta admit if the thermite is over hard drive.. the data will effectively be wiped rather quick 06:58 TheZenKitteh of course might set house of fire 06:58 TheZenKitteh well.. more than likely will set house on fire 06:58 NakedFury yeah you got to face the reality that you might lose the pc 06:59 TheZenKitteh as it is I've come to grips with the "possibility of losing all data I have" 06:59 TheZenKitteh its frightening but can be handled 06:59 TheZenKitteh I still have data I downloaded over dialup in 2001 06:59 TheZenKitteh lol 07:00 NakedFury well everything you have can be stolen, we just have to accept that fact and live happy times 07:00 TheZenKitteh somehow managed to keep hold of it 07:00 TheZenKitteh well my data can't easily be stolen 07:00 TheZenKitteh but it could be lost 07:00 TheZenKitteh hardware failure as example 07:00 NakedFury hadrware failures after all the security would suck 07:00 TheZenKitteh in my computing years I've burned up 3 hard drives 07:01 TheZenKitteh one of them contained a lot of data I did not have backed up elsewhere and was not able to replace 07:01 TheZenKitteh that sucked 07:01 TheZenKitteh lol 07:01 TheZenKitteh around 30GB of data.. poof 07:01 NakedFury I lost that much in music, from sister, mine, brother, mother, etc 07:01 TheZenKitteh my storage drive is aging as well and about time to be replaced 07:01 NakedFury I cried a tear 07:02 TheZenKitteh its about 4 years old now 07:02 TheZenKitteh I've learned never trust a hard drive older than a year 07:02 TheZenKitteh lol 07:02 TheZenKitteh however 99% of the data on it I can replace if I had to 07:02 TheZenKitteh that other 1% worries me 07:02 TheZenKitteh lol 07:03 TheZenKitteh most of it is project files for a puppy remaster I did awhile back 07:03 TheZenKitteh they exist nowhere else in that form and im not even sure if that projects iso is even available anymore online 07:03 TheZenKitteh but if worse came to worse I could replace it as well 07:04 TheZenKitteh I remember how I did it 07:04 TheZenKitteh lol 07:05 TheZenKitteh overall though if you think about it all data is is ones and zeros. even the minetest project could in theory be wiped from the face of the planet should say.. a massive geomagnet storm were triggered 07:05 TheZenKitteh could fry a lot of computers, take down net, ruin a lot of data 07:05 TheZenKitteh if that happened it would be a huge blow to humanity 07:06 NakedFury would such an event work on hmm turned off devices? 07:06 NakedFury disconnected, off, not plugged, etc 07:06 TheZenKitteh correction my storage drive does have something that may be very difficult to replace.. my 10+GB pdf collection 07:06 TheZenKitteh depends 07:07 TheZenKitteh if a super severe geomagnetic storm nothing is safe really 07:07 TheZenKitteh but generally good idea to unplug everything electronic if a massive CME is heading toward earth 07:07 TheZenKitteh and yes I keep tabs on that lol 07:07 VanessaE even the biggest CME won't be able to kill things like CD/DVD backups 07:07 TheZenKitteh how long it takes to get here depends. could be hours or days 07:07 VanessaE since those are optical 07:08 NakedFury that reminds me to buy a better power outlets for the pc stuff 07:08 TheZenKitteh optical no won't be bothered... however the computers needed to read them may get fried 07:08 TheZenKitteh such a storm is highly unlikely but it is possible 07:08 NakedFury hey I have been looking for a new theme/style for the forum and we should upgrade the punbb version too 07:08 TheZenKitteh just like its highly unlikely but possible a giant asteroid the size of the state of texas could hit earth 07:09 * TheZenKitteh tries not to think about some things too much 07:09 TheZenKitteh lol 07:09 VanessaE of course if that happens, we're all fucked :-) 07:09 VanessaE so who cares about our data then :) 07:10 TheZenKitteh well asteroid the size of texas might not fek us all.. but it wills urely fek most of us 07:10 TheZenKitteh like 99+% 07:10 TheZenKitteh lol 07:10 NakedFury yep in that case go to the nearest weapon store and take some 07:10 NakedFury plus food 07:10 NakedFury then create clans 07:11 TheZenKitteh lol don't go take from weapons store.. the owners are well armed 07:11 NakedFury and protect each other or go hermit 07:11 NakedFury well get there before owner 07:11 TheZenKitteh owners of most are likely aware of such catastrophe in the making and will already be holed up or already have taken all the weapons out to their home 07:12 NakedFury ok counter proposal: get a hot looking girl to bait him or a hot looking dude to bait her 07:12 NakedFury :D 07:12 NakedFury or just be friends with a gun store owner 07:12 TheZenKitteh lol won't work 07:12 TheZenKitteh being close friends is better idea 07:12 TheZenKitteh especially if good customer as well 07:14 * TheZenKitteh has had too much free time to look into many things 07:15 TheZenKitteh of course games are an outlet for me to temporarily forget what I know and just have fun lol 07:15 TheZenKitteh and I thank celeron55 for giving me that 07:16 TheZenKitteh as well as all the mod devs 07:16 TheZenKitteh and other minetest devs 07:16 TheZenKitteh without the combined effort, the game wouldn't be where it is now 07:16 NakedFury yeah so dont get burned out or allow others to pis you off from the game 07:16 TheZenKitteh lol it takes an amazing lot to piss me off 07:20 OldCoder NEWS I am updating stuff. Any requests for mod updates, skins, etc. ? 07:21 TheZenKitteh as before I suggest my mods.. of course im biased 07:21 TheZenKitteh lol 07:21 NakedFury dont think so 07:21 OldCoder TheZenKitteh, which mods should I start with? 07:21 TheZenKitteh don't know.. I try not to be specific in suggestions of my mods unless I play on their server 07:21 OldCoder All righ 07:21 OldCoder All right * 07:21 OldCoder Anybody else? 07:21 TheZenKitteh id more like if people would give me real good suggestions on how to improve my mods 07:22 OldCoder Well, TheZenKitteh if I run a couple they may 07:22 TheZenKitteh seems either nobody uses my mods or can't give any suggestions to improve lol 07:22 OldCoder Do you wish 07:22 NakedFury what user are you? 07:22 VanessaE OldCoder: anywhere you're using pipeworks and plantlife, be sure to update those, and you might want to consider my moretrees mod also 07:22 OldCoder me to try one? 07:22 OldCoder VanessaE, proceeding 07:22 VanessaE you can get the latest of all three from my game archive. 07:22 TheZenKitteh texture improvement requests I can't do since I suck so much at making textures but open to texture suggestions 07:23 TheZenKitteh nakedfury raphael 07:23 TheZenKitteh lol 07:23 TheZenKitteh I can't remember if I registered raphael on freenode or if someone else did 07:23 TheZenKitteh either way my password guesses failed so chose a new nick 07:24 VanessaE OldCoder: if you install moretrees on a server, uninstall the old conifers and jungletrees mods if they exist. Also, note that moretrees requires a build from git no older than Jan. 8. 07:24 OldCoder Wait 07:25 OldCoder VanessaE, I better add moretrees later to be safe. Remind me. Right now, Vanessa world updating. HDX. Pipeworks. Plantlife. 07:25 OldCoder VanessaE, tell us of moretrees 07:25 NakedFury http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/K/P/tudor-utica-jc-5240029.JPG having those wood looking lines on the wall as a mod would be interesting for getting that building style 07:25 NakedFury dont know if a mod already has that 07:26 TheZenKitteh ooo 07:26 TheZenKitteh I agree with nakedfury 07:26 marktraceur OldCoder: You're in the Bay Area IIRC 07:26 TheZenKitteh there needs to be something that can do that 07:26 VanessaE moretrees uses the engine's L-System plotter to build conifers and jungle trees procedurally instead of doing all the hard work in Lua. Conifers grow at 25+m, jungle trees at -5 to +10m and then only near water. Both are further restricted to biome-like zone via perlin noise. moretrees requires the latest version of plantlife. 07:26 OldCoder marktraceur, Yes 07:27 OldCoder VanessaE, so moretrees is nice 07:27 NakedFury yep just the lines and the other stuff transparent so the houses will remain with their intended color 07:27 marktraceur OldCoder: I think Menche (or something) is also, and we were considering doing an in-person thing for the Saturday sprint 07:27 OldCoder How tested is it? 07:27 OldCoder marktraceur, What happens Saturday? 07:27 marktraceur OldCoder: Documentation sprint for the engine 07:27 OldCoder I have been occupied 07:27 OldCoder Oh? 07:27 OldCoder Where? 07:27 marktraceur OldCoder: Basically filling up dev.minetest.net 07:27 OldCoder Heh 07:27 marktraceur OldCoder: #minetest-doc 07:27 OldCoder In-person where? 07:28 marktraceur Oh 07:28 VanessaE OldCoder: yes. If you'd like to see the output thereof, go to my brick house near {-10,7,112} 07:28 VanessaE in my world 07:28 VanessaE (or your copy) 07:28 marktraceur Probably in the city, I can't get much of anywhere else and it would be cool to do e.g. Noisebridge 07:28 marktraceur Oh, wait, maybe not, the mystery hunt is this weekend, Noisebridge might get slightly co-opted for that 07:28 marktraceur Errrrr 07:28 OldCoder :-) 07:29 OldCoder VanessaE, maybe I will update minebest now 07:29 marktraceur Maybe I can steal my office for it if we come up with enough people, else we could also do a coffee shop 07:29 OldCoder And try moretrees. But I need people to test and you will be asleep soon. 07:29 VanessaE yes 07:29 OldCoder marktraceur, I could stop by 07:29 celeron55 uploaded the site to the server (c55.me) responding to minetest.net now 07:29 VanessaE celeron55: nicee 07:30 OldCoder VanessaE, how tested is moretrees? 07:31 VanessaE OldCoder: it's been running on my server for about a week 07:31 OldCoder all right 07:31 OldCoder I will see 07:31 OldCoder How easy a new merge with upstream is 07:32 celeron55 the connection is slow but it does work, and at least i always have the data in hand as it is in my room 8) 07:36 OldCoder VanessaE, well... I was able to merge with upstream 07:36 VanessaE oh good 07:36 OldCoder You say... drop conifers and jungletrees 07:36 OldCoder latest plantlife 07:36 OldCoder add moretrees 07:36 OldCoder and it may work? 07:36 OldCoder Old trees 07:36 VanessaE yes on all counts. 07:36 OldCoder will still go? 07:37 OldCoder Link for moretrees is? 07:38 OldCoder NEWS Shutting down worlds for updates and so on 07:39 kaeza OldCoder, awww 07:39 kaeza :P 07:39 OldCoder kaeza, Good stuff coming 07:39 kaeza just kidding OC 07:39 OldCoder Link for moretrees is? VanessaE 07:39 kaeza go on 07:39 kaeza +100000 07:39 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394 07:40 NakedFury http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63717#p63717 07:40 OldCoder k 07:41 OldCoder Compiling new server 07:44 TheZenKitteh im off.. night everybody 07:44 TheZenKitteh or day 07:44 TheZenKitteh depends where you are 07:46 kaeza my farm on octu server https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_1020642839.jpg 07:48 kaeza front view: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_1020628715.jpg 07:48 VanessaE kaeza: nice. 07:48 kaeza thx :P 07:49 kaeza I should see if I can make one on your server 07:49 kaeza but too tired for now 07:49 OldCoder Server built fine 07:49 OldCoder 07:50 OldCoder Folks, somebody give me coords or a nifty screenshot please 07:50 kaeza VanessaE, inside: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_1020655661.jpg 07:50 OldCoder I may post announcements tonight 07:50 OldCoder When I do I like to include a screenshot 07:50 OldCoder kaeza, What'cha got? 07:50 kaeza a farm ^_^ 07:51 OldCoder May I see it? Is it in 30004? 07:51 kaeza yup 07:51 OldCoder Coords? 07:52 kaeza OldCoder, -175 44 44 07:52 kaeza around there 07:52 OldCoder k 07:52 OldCoder VanessaE, adding moretrees now 07:53 NakedFury stuck at connecting to server 07:53 VanessaE ok 07:53 NakedFury it is minetest.org right? 07:54 OldCoder NakedFury, I am updating 07:54 OldCoder NakedFury, done shortly with moretrees and more stuff 07:55 NakedFury ok 07:55 OldCoder Latest git upstream 07:55 OldCoder Moretrees and other changes coming 07:55 OldCoder Minutes away! :-) 07:55 NakedFury I was gonna check if I had something worth screenshoting 07:55 NakedFury I did add columns and made some villa house on the surface where my hole is 07:56 OldCoder Oblivion1500, Hi 07:56 OldCoder I'd love to see it 07:56 OldCoder Ready soon 07:56 Oblivion1500 hello! 07:57 Oblivion1500 you would love to see what? 07:57 OldCoder Oblivion1500, screenshots of NakedFury work 07:57 OldCoder Oblivion1500, did you wish 07:57 OldCoder some type of morechests fix? 07:57 Oblivion1500 no i think it works fine now untill there is a way to anchor 07:57 OldCoder k 07:58 OldCoder One more change 07:58 OldCoder Jojoa wanted something... 07:58 Oblivion1500 what is it? 07:58 OldCoder Spleef Arena update 07:58 Oblivion1500 oh, whatever that is 07:58 Oblivion1500 lol 07:58 OldCoder Hmm 07:58 OldCoder He was not clear 07:58 OldCoder I will need to speak with him 07:58 OldCoder Anybody else want stuff? 07:59 OldCoder No? 07:59 OldCoder Proceeding 07:59 NakedFury spleef is some sort of minecraft invented sport 07:59 Oblivion1500 uhm.. nothing i know of 07:59 OldCoder Yep 07:59 NakedFury no idea how to play it 07:59 NakedFury never was interested in that 07:59 OldCoder Oblivion1500, wait 07:59 kaeza OldCoder, is the mint mod on the server? 07:59 OldCoder Oblivion1500, was there a patch I should make to craft guide? 07:59 OldCoder kaeza, is it called mint? 07:59 kaeza sorry yes 07:59 OldCoder kaeza, Link? 08:00 Oblivion1500 hold on let me see 08:00 kaeza a sec 08:00 OldCoder Oblivion1500, You like craft guide but say I should patch it 08:00 kaeza OldCoder, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4111 08:00 OldCoder kaeza, R 08:00 Oblivion1500 there is something that makes it not show everything, its still useful but let me see if there is an update 08:01 OldCoder kaeza, comment. I don't have it. Safe? Low CPU? Low depends? 08:01 NakedFury ok uninstalling cmake from pc 08:01 OldCoder kaeza, Looks pretty heavy. Remind me another time. 08:01 kaeza OldCoder, normal CPU usage, depends on moreores (already installed) 08:01 OldCoder kaeza, Does it make a lot of files the way money does? 08:02 kaeza nope 08:02 OldCoder kaeza, We can test it 08:02 kaeza it uses items as currency 08:02 OldCoder Not tonight though... I may not be awake long enough 08:02 OldCoder That just leaves craft guide 08:02 kaeza k that can wait 08:02 sema4 what is the best way for me to report a bug or deficiency? 08:03 OldCoder sema4, state it here is one way 08:03 OldCoder Forums are another 08:03 kaeza sema4, github issues 08:03 sema4 ok! 08:03 Oblivion1500 nothing i can find 08:04 sema4 i noticed that if i spawn within a nodeblock, i sink into it. if there happens to be nothing below that nodeblock, then i'll keep falling 08:05 sema4 so say i am standing on a 'slab' when i exit, when i rejoin, i will spawn within that slab's node, and fall through it. 08:06 sema4 i can create a github account and create an issue there if that would be best 08:06 Oblivion1500 just go mining lol 08:07 sema4 sure, except if i didn't have interact privs 08:07 sema4 etc. 08:08 OldCoder NEWS Worlds up. Please check out moretrees. NakedFury Let me see your cool places. 08:08 OldCoder kaeza, visiting the farm now 08:08 kaeza k 08:08 kaeza :) 08:10 OldCoder olsword.png" while building texture 08:10 OldCoder 00:09:37: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Creating a dummy image for "glooptest_tool_arolsword.png" 08:10 OldCoder Loaded texture: /laclin/pkg/minetest044/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/sunrisebg.png 08:10 OldCoder Hmm 08:10 OldCoder I keep getting gloop errors 08:11 NakedFury second person to report that error 08:11 kaeza OldCoder, somebody also reported that to NekoGloop, but he syas he can't reproduce 08:11 kaeza +it 08:11 OldCoder Say a few words about the farm 08:12 kaeza hmm 08:12 kaeza I'm not very good at words 08:12 kaeza but well, 08:12 OldCoder Well what do you grow 08:12 NakedFury -13,15,554 still needs some touches and outside but I like how its turning 08:12 OldCoder What is the greenhouse? NakedFury going there next 08:12 OldCoder That is AngelFury world right? 08:13 NakedFury yes 08:13 kaeza I just liked the place for a small cottage, the cottage grew into that house, and I added the farm. 08:13 kaeza Next I aded the greenhouse, and last the chicken coop 08:13 kaeza (which as you will see has no chickens yet) 08:14 OldCoder Nice 08:14 kaeza I like the country feel of my place 08:14 kaeza in contrast to fully modernized buildings employing mesecons 08:15 kaeza or surreal buildings 08:15 OldCoder Yep 08:17 OldCoder NakedFury, what is your place? 08:17 NakedFury well I tried doing a roman or greek building I had a picture off for the entrance 08:17 OldCoder Courtyard 08:18 NakedFury need to add something to the courtyard, looks too empty 08:18 OldCoder Classical 08:19 OldCoder Thank you both 08:19 OldCoder This concludes our updates for the evening. I'd love to know if the new moretrees mod is working. 08:21 VanessaE moretrees generally takes 1-2 hours (realtime) before you start to see some results 08:21 VanessaE I made the trees spawn really slowly to keep from lagging the server. 08:22 VanessaE also, one more HDX update is on the way up now 08:22 VanessaE (if github would stop stalling out) 08:23 VanessaE there we go. 08:23 VanessaE just added some textures for the jungletrees. 08:24 OldCoder VanessaE, remind me in a day or so for the next update... 08:24 VanessaE ok 08:24 OldCoder I'm about done for the night 08:24 OldCoder Though I'm here for emergencies 08:25 OldCoder Wish to test what's in there now 08:25 OldCoder Updates break things! 08:25 NakedFury http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63645#p63645 08:25 OldCoder NakedFury, what is it? 08:25 NakedFury I like seeing how ore generate 08:25 VanessaE heh, well this is just HDX stuff, not mods ;-) 08:25 OldCoder VanessaE, true 08:25 NakedFury [Mod] Perlin-noise based ore generation [perlinore] 08:25 kaeza wow now there's a pine tree just outside my farm ^_^ 08:25 NakedFury Casimir a user testing out how ore generate 08:25 NakedFury and generating on the surface and with colors to check the generation 08:26 NakedFury pretty cool 08:28 NakedFury well sleep time for me 08:28 NakedFury see you all later 08:30 kaeza c u 08:31 kaeza I think it's also time for myself to go... my planet needs me :P 08:35 VanessaE and I think I'll follow suit as well 08:35 VanessaE night all. 08:35 kaeza k time to go. night everyone 08:35 kaeza night V 10:04 celeron55 hell 10:04 celeron55 how on earth can i make apache route non-php urls to .php files 10:05 celeron55 i have tried MultiViews and some rewrite rules, but nothing happens 10:05 celeron55 it's like i was doing nothing while i certainly do everything right 10:05 celeron55 whatever, i'll not do that then 10:06 celeron55 apparently there is a reason why websites still have .php in their urls 8) 10:07 ruskie yeah... nobody bothers with rewrite rules 10:07 celeron55 anyway, i made this page now: http://minetest.net/support.php 10:08 OldCoder celeron55, wait... why doesn't an ordinary .htaccess work? 10:08 celeron55 or more like copied the old donation page and added a link to it... 8) 10:09 celeron55 OldCoder: i have no idea, some things put in the .htaccess work, while others (at least those two) don't 10:09 celeron55 even some rewrite rules work, but nothing useful does 10:10 celeron55 probably i'm failing some obscure thing 10:10 celeron55 but i don't get any errors either so i'll just skip this 10:14 celeron55 oh god, i just checked how much in donations i got last year 10:20 celeron55 i haven't really kept track of these, and haven't kept track of how much i deserve myself 10:21 celeron55 if i take nothing from 2012 and subtract the cost of the bad hosting, there's something like $100 10:30 celeron55 won't pay for much of work, but would be enough for more proper hosting this year or something; not going to hurry with using it though - but if somebody gets good ideas that require money, that's there to use 10:34 celeron55 i really thought there'd be something like a couple of $10 left 8) 10:47 * celeron55 imagines sitting on a pile of 100 giant dollar bills 10:55 whirm1 celeron55: what kind of hosting do you need? 10:57 OldCoder Hi! 10:57 celeron55 VPS, because i like being able to run any kind of server technologies and eg. being able to build packages on the server if needed 10:57 OldCoder celeron55, if you need help let me know 10:57 OldCoder I am moving away from Apache though 10:58 OldCoder Too bloated 10:58 OldCoder We use lighttpd and nginx 10:58 whirm1 celeron55: but how powerful/how much traffic? 10:59 celeron55 i'll need to host the windows packages in there, which'll make some 60GB/month 11:00 celeron55 in addition to the website, of which i have not much idea (could ask though) 11:01 celeron55 adding the site, it'll probably still stay at that scale 11:02 celeron55 there's not really any considerable need for power i guess 11:03 whirm1 celeron55: Ok, I'll ask and see if we can provide you a vps, I have to see how much spare bandwith we have. 11:05 celeron55 there is a strict requirement: it needs to be solid as rock; i've had enough of trying to cope with a broken VPS for the rest of my life 11:07 whirm1 celeron55: It will be on a physical server we have at ovh, it has never crashed in some 3 years since we set it up, no reboots except for kernel upgrades :) 11:07 Infinity_69 hey guys :D 11:07 Infinity_69 who loves/likes FPS games? 11:07 Infinity_69 free ones :d 11:08 Infinity_69 http://www.planetside2.com 11:08 Infinity_69 PlanetSide 2 11:08 Infinity_69 downloading it now :P 11:08 Infinity_69 aprox. 7Gb 11:08 Infinity_69 :d 11:10 celeron55 people here probably like more of libre ones, not free-to-pay-to-win-and-hopefully-you-like-drm ones 8) 11:11 whirm1 :D 11:11 Zetetic The actually free bits of PlanetSide were actually fun a few years back though 11:33 ruskie well according to totalbiscuit it's not a pay to win 11:36 OpDredd It was more "pay to have a wider range of gameplay options" when I played 11:37 OpDredd Though that was 1 not 2 11:39 celeron55 ruskie: having never played the game and respecting totalbiscuit, i guess that's true then 11:42 Infinity_69 hi 11:42 Infinity_69 im back 11:42 Infinity_69 PlanetSide 2 is already 18.5% done :d 11:43 Infinity_69 aprox 1.3 GB 11:43 Infinity_69 :D 11:43 Infinity_69 1.3GB / 7 GB 11:46 celeron55 what's with all the joining and quitting 11:48 ruskie web chat 11:48 ruskie people should really be using proper clients 11:48 ruskie celeron55, considering he hates pay-to-win and is actually actively playing planetside2 I would say so as well hehe 11:58 Ade96 Hi 13:13 * OldCoder will rest now 13:21 whirm1 celeron55: good news :) 13:30 erlehmann do the t-shirts contain attribution and share-alike licensing hints? 14:53 pandaro hi jojoa1997 14:58 Kacey hello 14:59 jojoa1997 hi 15:00 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 15:00 jojoa1997 hola 15:02 * jojoa1997 signal test 15:03 jojoa1997 help 15:03 jojoa1997 helpo 15:03 jojoa1997 -hello 15:03 RealBadAngel hello minetest 15:03 jojoa1997 -on tablet using stupid autocorrect 15:03 Kacey haha 15:04 Kacey im on my netbook 15:04 jojoa1997 wish i had one 15:04 RealBadAngel #minetest-dev 15:04 RealBadAngel ooops 15:05 Kacey donot get the acer aspire one 15:05 PilzAdam hey RealBadAngel 15:05 jojoa1997 i dont like acer had bad times with it 15:06 Kacey good 15:06 Kacey my aspire one is good because of the mods i made to it 15:07 jojoa1997 my mom got me this tab so i can take it to school 15:10 Kacey i need a new battery for my netbook so i can take it to high school next year 15:10 * jojoa1997 signal test 15:17 jojoa1997 #minetest-dev 15:19 jojoa1997 signal test 15:19 Kacey huh? 15:19 jojoa1997 tablet+school connectioon =bad 15:20 thaniel what tablet? 15:23 Kacey haha 15:54 Kacey it is quiet on the server 15:54 Kacey channel* 15:55 PilzAdam it was ;-) 15:56 NekoGloop Meow 15:59 Kacey ooh god here we go 16:05 celeron55 http://cs323330.userapi.com/v323330799/3539/v6CQSc6AiZA.jpg 16:06 NekoGloop celeron55: Dafuq. 16:06 jojoa1997 celeron55 is that forme? 16:07 celeron55 it's for the internets, from the internets 16:08 thexyz lol 16:18 Infinity_69 hi 16:19 Kacey not yet 16:19 Infinity_69 i have a question: give me a Open Source FTP program for the Linux cernel that isnt FileZilla 16:19 VanessaE morning all. 16:19 Calinou filezillea 16:19 Infinity_69 achtung! 16:19 Infinity_69 :D 16:20 Infinity_69 NOT FILEZILLA~ 16:20 Calinou filezilla* 16:20 Calinou YES FILEZILLA 16:20 Calinou why not :P 16:20 Calinou hi VanessaE 16:20 Infinity_69 that isnt FileZilla 16:20 Infinity_69 i dont want it! 16:20 Calinou reason? 16:20 Infinity_69 idk... :/ 16:20 VanessaE hi 16:20 Infinity_69 crashes for me? 16:22 NekoGloop Meow 16:22 Infinity_69 poolGokeN 16:22 Infinity_69 ! 16:22 Infinity_69 wait 16:22 Infinity_69 NekoGloop <=== 16:23 Infinity_69 Pool Go Ken 16:23 Infinity_69 :D 16:23 Infinity_69 no 16:23 NekoGloop weoM 16:23 Infinity_69 Pool, Go Ken! 16:23 Infinity_69 Zeg9 16:23 Zeg9 Hi 16:23 Infinity_69 a FTP program that ISNT filezilla 16:23 Infinity_69 open source1 16:24 Zeg9 gftp ? 16:24 Zeg9 fireftp (ftp inside firefox) 16:25 Infinity_69 oh nice 16:25 Infinity_69 thanks 16:25 thexyz Infinity_69: ftp 16:25 thexyz mc 16:25 Infinity_69 what?! 16:25 Infinity_69 nvm 16:26 Infinity_69 gonna restart ff... 16:26 Infinity_69 brb 16:26 Infinity_69 bbl 16:26 Infinity_69 what ever 16:27 Zeg9 thexyz, I don't think he'll like it... but maybe 16:28 thexyz well, then filezilla 16:28 Infinity_69 no! 16:28 Infinity_69 fireftp 16:28 Infinity_69 GREAT 16:28 Infinity_69 :D 16:28 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 16:29 * Infinity_69 pokes Jordach 16:29 * Kacey pokes himself 16:29 * Infinity_69 pokes Kacey, VanessaE and Jordach 16:29 * Kacey deflects the poke 16:30 Kacey no. 16:30 * Infinity_69 hides behind the corner 16:30 VanessaE ow. 16:30 * Infinity_69 comes in all chilled and shit 16:30 Infinity_69 hey Kacey, Vanessa :D 16:30 Infinity_69 sup :d 16:30 * Kacey super pokes Infinity_69 16:30 * Infinity_69 punches Kacey in ze face! 16:31 * Infinity_69 knocks Kacey out 16:31 * Kacey wakes up 16:31 Kacey hehe 16:31 * Infinity_69 is stunned 16:31 Kacey KITTENS!!!!!!! 16:31 Infinity_69 ugh... 16:31 Infinity_69 <:/ 16:31 * Kacey runs off 16:31 * Infinity_69 chases Kacey 16:31 * Infinity_69 jumps on Kacey 16:31 * Infinity_69 snaps Kacey's neck 16:31 * Jordach places a kitty on VanessaE's head 16:31 * Infinity_69 runs away 16:32 * Kacey runs over to VanessaE and steals the kitten 16:32 Infinity_69 Jordach, just get on with it -.- 16:32 Infinity_69 dont tease 16:32 marktraceur Infinity_69: That seems a bit uncalled for 16:32 Infinity_69 xD 16:32 Infinity_69 ok 16:32 * Infinity_69 revives Kacey 16:32 Kacey i never die 16:32 Kacey i had damage disabled :D 16:32 * Infinity_69 is stunned yet again 16:32 * Jordach sighs 16:32 Infinity_69 ugh... ,<:/ 16:33 * Infinity_69 pulls out a Glock 16:33 * Infinity_69 points at Jordach 16:33 * Infinity_69 shoots himself 16:33 Jordach a vein has moved on my right hand and is interfering with one of my knuckles 16:33 Infinity_69 x.x 16:33 Jordach s/on/in 16:33 Kacey i hate veins moving 16:33 Jordach it hurys. 16:34 Jordach hurts.* 16:34 Kacey thank you marktraceur 16:34 marktraceur Kacey: No problem. Getting on my nerves too. 16:34 HesDeadJim He's Dead, Jim! 16:34 HesDeadJim He commited suicide! 16:34 HesDeadJim he just Glock'd himself! 16:35 HesDeadJim Why, Infinity, Why! 16:35 * Jordach had /ignore Infinity_69 all a long while ago 16:35 HesDeadJim Why didn't you kill me instead! 16:35 * Jordach shoots HesDeadJim square in the head 16:35 Jordach there. 16:35 Jordach (best way to describe a muting, aint it?) 16:35 TheZenKitteh o_O 16:36 Jordach :P 16:36 marktraceur I'll unmute him when I get into work. 16:36 marktraceur I ride! 16:38 * Jordach is falling apart 16:38 * TheZenKitteh grabs some duct tape 16:39 TheZenKitteh nothin duct tape won't fix 16:39 jojoa1997 keys talk about Minetest and not death 16:40 * Jordach has had a shitty day: it snowed and transport was late as fuck. 16:40 TheZenKitteh do you like tea or coffee jordach? 16:40 Jordach both 16:40 Kacey Jordach: where do you live? 16:40 marktraceur jojoa1997: Well especially with recent events, joking about suicide might not be the greatest idea. 16:41 * TheZenKitteh passes a cup of digital tea to jordach 16:41 jojoa1997 it does notb snow where I am just is 85° 16:42 TheZenKitteh jordach.. you didn't go saying you were gonna kill yourself did you? I don't know you but I feel there would be a loss if anyone here even attempted such 16:42 jojoa1997 markt where you live 16:42 jojoa1997 brb log getting to big 16:43 jojoa1997_ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4447 16:44 Jordach TheZenKitteh, i just feel like shit atm 16:44 jojoa1997_ jojoa1997 ping out already 16:44 Jordach Kacey, N52.756508044806004, E1.303899049758928 16:44 Jordach google map that 16:45 VanessaE Jordach: jeez, false precision much? 16:45 Jordach VanessaE, i used my gps 16:45 jojoa1997_ what that show 16:45 VanessaE you trying to guide him exactly to the micron? :-) 16:45 Jordach why yes. 16:45 TheZenKitteh jordach have a cup of tea or some other beverage of your enjoyment and just have a sit and think about the good things in life. thing you want to accomplish and those you love and those who love you and just relax a bit while doing such. usually helps me 16:45 Jordach ^ life coach 16:46 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Jordach's head 16:46 TheZenKitteh lol 16:46 jojoa1997_ Jordach go read a book 16:46 NekoGloop Problems == solved 16:46 TheZenKitteh I actually did try to kill myself about 19 years ago 16:46 jojoa1997_ why 16:46 Calinou marktraceur: reddit co-founders do NOT count! 16:46 TheZenKitteh looking back glad I didn't 16:46 TheZenKitteh lived so much since 16:46 TheZenKitteh lol 16:46 Jordach lol books 16:47 jojoa1997 \o/ 16:47 * TheZenKitteh steals all of NekoGloops kittens and starts gently tossing them around the channel 16:48 * Kacey gives a siberian tiger a hug 16:48 * jojoa1997 goes and reads my book 16:48 jojoa1997 to bad it is irc 16:48 TheZenKitteh jojoa1997 title? 16:48 Calinou Jordach: there is snow here, too 16:48 Calinou in france... finally 16:48 Jordach Calinou, no snow in 2012 16:48 jojoa1997 actuality i am reading the maze runner series 16:48 Jordach :P 16:49 jojoa1997 on book 4 16:49 VanessaE "The Viktor Rydberg school in Stockholm, Sweden, has announced that they have included Minecraft into the curriculum for their 13-year-old students." 16:49 VanessaE nnooOOOOooooOOOoooOOOoooOOooooOO 16:50 jojoa1997 send them an email to add Minetest 16:50 jojoa1997 better fit modding 16:50 TheZenKitteh .. the viktor rydberg school in stockholm needs its school titled replaced with something like playground 16:50 TheZenKitteh lol no school in their right mind would include gaming as part of curriculum 16:50 Jordach Calinou, https://twitter.com/jordansnelling/status/291155683095769088 16:50 TheZenKitteh popular or not 16:51 Jordach bitches got snow. 16:51 Kacey im going to put minetest into my kids cirriculum 16:52 Kacey i will home-school them 16:52 TheZenKitteh you call that snow? that's not snow.. this is snow http://www.ecorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/snow.jpg 16:52 TheZenKitteh ;p; 16:52 jojoa1997_ i thought i changed my nick 16:52 TheZenKitteh nope you haven't severed your tail yet jojoa1997_ 16:53 * jojoa1997_ chop 16:53 jojoa1997_ gtg 16:54 NekoGloop s/tail/pe--nope, not going to make that. 16:55 TheZenKitteh wtf.. I just woke up and that southpark butters clip of him singing the what what in the butt 16:55 TheZenKitteh no sense 16:56 Kacey off to school 16:57 TheZenKitteh brb 16:58 kaeza hi all 17:00 Calinou Jordach: only one snow day here 17:00 Jordach we've had two so far 17:00 Jordach (and the saying in the uk is: no one goes to norfolk; even the weather!!) 17:00 celeron55 oh snow photos 17:01 Jordach ...and c55 has the best 17:01 Jordach :P 17:01 Calinou VanessaE: "we have money to spend? let's spend it!" --governments 17:01 celeron55 here's one i happened to take this morning: http://ompldr.org/vaDMzcA 17:01 VanessaE haha 17:01 Calinou celeron55 has teh best snow photos 17:01 Jordach ugh, right side of the road driver 17:01 celeron55 not that much snow really, but trees are nice and icey 17:01 * Jordach likes the left 17:01 kaeza I neer seen snow :( 17:02 Jordach awwwwww 17:02 celeron55 Jordach: it's illegal to drive on the left side in finland unless the right side is crowded 17:02 Jordach O.O 17:02 kaeza sucks to be of the middle southern hemisphere 17:02 Calinou you take photos while driving? :P 17:02 celeron55 or you're overtaking someone 17:02 Jordach your laws have the best of idea 17:02 Jordach s* 17:02 celeron55 Calinou: it looked nice enough that i did 8) 17:02 Calinou Jordach: same in france 17:02 VanessaE celeron55: the same is generally true here, if unenforced. 17:03 Jordach i dont know about you: but they probably smoked weed at the time, didnt they? 17:03 Jordach im in pain and in a satrical mood 17:03 celeron55 in which country does Jordach live then? 17:03 Jordach UK 17:03 Jordach GBR. 17:03 Jordach Britain. 17:03 Calinou fun fact: for some time in france (in 2012), you had to have an alcohol test, else you could be fined €35... however that law was never applied and it has been canceled :D 17:03 Jordach United Kingdom. 17:04 Jordach That better celeron55 17:04 Jordach ?? 17:04 Jordach ** 17:04 celeron55 Calinou: there are many completely silly laws these days that nobody enforces 8) 17:05 celeron55 EU is quite efficient at suggesting them 17:05 Jordach btw Calinou, come to the UK on a certain day of the year, and on a certain hill 17:05 rubenwardy hi all 17:05 Jordach the british are legally allowed to kill the french :P 17:05 VanessaE hey ruben. 17:05 kaeza hey ruben 17:06 * Jordach stretches spine straight again 17:08 kaeza rubenwardy, how about adding a "wallpapers" section in your site? 17:12 marktraceur Calinou: Count as what? 17:14 Jordach VanessaE, im probably the most grumpy here, second being celeron55 himself (you know, when he was lazy to merge things) 17:14 VanessaE haha 17:15 Jordach also, gimp needs to stop their motherfucking tomfoolerly bullshit with the export menu, jeez 17:15 VanessaE agreed. 17:15 * Jordach probably ranks up the same grump level as RMS 17:15 marktraceur Jordach: The man gets grumpy, it's true 17:15 Jordach yes, same for linus 17:15 Jordach "nVidia: fuck you." 17:16 marktraceur Jordach: Yeah, but mostly for objective, really good reasons 17:16 Jordach and mine is too! the end users have needs too! 17:17 marktraceur Jordach: UX is definitely not a science :) 17:17 marktraceur (I don't know what you're talking about exactly) 17:17 Jordach yes Mr. GTK 17:17 Calinou marktraceur: AMD driver: try for the performance, stay for the bugs 17:17 Calinou :3 17:17 Jordach we get it. 17:17 Calinou come* 17:17 Jordach Calinou, Intel brofist. 17:17 Calinou intel + nvidia brofist* 17:17 Jordach :P 17:17 Calinou intel's IGPs are slow 8) 17:17 Jordach yup 17:18 rubenwardy updated: forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63590 17:18 Calinou fun fact: AMD fired 15% of their employees again in late 2012 17:18 Jordach (although 40fps in minecraft aint bad for a 2004 mainframe access pc 17:18 Jordach ) 17:18 * Jordach is going to end up with a empty wallet 17:19 marktraceur Calinou: Count as what? 17:19 celeron55 rubenwardy: you should note this: < erlehmann> do the t-shirts contain attribution and share-alike licensing hints? 17:19 Calinou marktraceur: people suiciding 17:19 * Calinou is one of the 3 people who know about some reddit co-founder's death 17:19 marktraceur Calinou: Explain? 17:19 Jordach Calinou, make that 80 17:19 Jordach #minetest heard 17:20 Jordach woah woah woah 17:20 Calinou celeron55: non-commercial clause for tshirts and mugs: don't wear a tshirt while working for money, don't use a mug to put coins inside 17:20 Calinou :D 17:20 * Jordach notices my mese pick texture on the shirt 17:20 Jordach woop! 17:20 celeron55 rubenwardy: which is, the things should probably contain something like this, as small as possible in some corner: http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-sa/3.0/88x31.png 17:21 Obiewan1111 Anyone that has a copy of Minetoon. Can you upload it to a different website upload thing? Because I can't access mediafire on my computer. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=402 17:21 celeron55 i wonder where the most compact logos like that are 17:21 marktraceur Calinou: Are you getting my messages? 17:21 celeron55 ah, here: http://creativecommons.org/about/downloads (the by-sa one) 17:22 Calinou marktraceur: yes, but why would I explain that? 17:22 celeron55 (all graphics in minetest upstream are either cc by-sa or wtfpl) 17:22 marktraceur Calinou: Because I don't understand why you would say it 17:22 Calinou because you were saying "don't joke about suicide" 17:22 Calinou and didn't that reddit co-founder suicide? 17:23 celeron55 rubenwardy: actually, probably best to put the "cc", "by" and "sa" black-and-white round icons 17:23 Obiewan1111 Cough* Anyone that has a copy of Minetoon. Can you upload it to a different website upload thing? Because I can't access mediafire on my computer. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=402 17:23 Obiewan1111 Please. I want to test out the tp. 17:23 rubenwardy button or logo? 17:23 marktraceur Calinou: That's true, Aaron Swartz, who helped found Reddit, recently committed suicide. 17:23 rubenwardy icons 17:23 Jordach Obiewan1111, five secs 17:23 celeron55 rubenwardy: "Icons" 17:23 Obiewan1111 Thanks. :D 17:23 Calinou Obiewan1111: I don't have, sorry 17:24 rubenwardy you mean in the corner of the shirt/product? 17:24 celeron55 rubenwardy: it's your choice, really; but they should be there somewhere to be found unless you get specific permission 17:24 Calinou heh, I can jut download the pack *_* 17:25 celeron55 rubenwardy: for graphics i have done, i don't really care; but i suppose erlehmann wants those for the logo 17:25 Jordach Obiewan1111, http://ompldr.org/vaDM0Nw/MineToon%200.4.zip 17:25 celeron55 and eg. the mese pick is by-sa too and not by me 17:25 Jordach celeron55, be fair, i just recoloured it 17:25 marktraceur Calinou: I'm still not sure I understand why you said "Reddit co-founders don't count" 17:25 Obiewan1111 Thanks Jordach. :D 17:25 Obiewan1111 Anyway, I gotta go. 17:26 TheZenKitteh back 17:26 Calinou wb 17:27 Jordach rubenwardy, dont make me spend monies 17:27 TheZenKitteh ty Calinou 17:27 * Calinou breaks Jordach's motherboard with two fingers since it's a gigabyte one 17:27 celeron55 rubenwardy: i'm pretty sure most will give you permission to use without CC icons if you ask though 8) 17:27 rubenwardy ok 17:27 * Jordach slaps Calinou with a aimbot on xonotic 17:27 Jordach bitch. please. 17:27 rubenwardy so, who did the Dungeon master texture? 17:27 celeron55 but strictly speaking it's not legal if you don't ask 17:27 Jordach ;D 17:28 celeron55 it's mine 17:28 Jordach rubenwardy, the logo should have been at the bottom of the mu 17:28 Jordach mug 17:28 marktraceur Calinou: I'm still not sure I understand why you said "Reddit co-founders don't count" 17:28 TheZenKitteh Calinou: your claim of being one of a few knowing is false apparently.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Death 17:28 TheZenKitteh lol 17:29 Calinou http://ompldr.org/vaDM0Nw/MineToon%200.4.zip < pass the link to obiewan when he is here 17:29 Jordach if (dead_guy != founder_of_reddit); std::cout << "A co-founder does not count."; 17:29 Jordach better? 17:29 marktraceur Not really, no 17:29 Jordach Calinou, obie already done that 17:29 Jordach -+ 17:29 Jordach Thanks Jordach. :D 17:30 Calinou marktraceur: nevermind it. :P 17:30 marktraceur Calinou: I would be remiss if I didn't leave you with a small lesson 17:30 marktraceur Calinou: People in the news have friends and family too 17:30 marktraceur Calinou: I know Aaron's brother 17:30 Jordach oh ffs, its snowing again 17:31 Traxie21 Hello 17:31 rubenwardy Money made so far: $0.00 17:33 rubenwardy lucky you, Jordach. It hardy ever snows in Cornwall 17:36 Traxie21 It just snowed here in texas, a whopping 2/3rds an INCH! 17:37 TheZenKitteh it snowed in texas? 17:37 TheZenKitteh I know a few people in texas.. wonder if it snowed there 17:37 TheZenKitteh where I live it "should" snow but rarely does 17:38 TheZenKitteh maybe one good snow every 3-6 years 17:40 marktraceur rubenwardy: Can you make a different shirt design? I don't think the coffee thing is as good as it was on a mug 17:41 rubenwardy yeah, give me a 600x600 or bigger image (1024x1024 preferably 17:42 marktraceur Oh, you want me to make it. 17:42 * marktraceur will do that....later 17:46 marktraceur rubenwardy: I have a vision of a minetest screenshot, of an untouched world with many different nodes, and the text "unlimited possibilities" or so 17:46 marktraceur rubenwardy: I can do it in ~3 hours or so 17:47 rubenwardy ok :D 18:31 Jordach woop, nesmines 30% complete 18:31 rubenwardy what is it called when you base a class in c++ on another class? 18:31 rubenwardy inheritance? 18:33 Jordach probably. 18:34 aldobr yes 18:34 aldobr inheritance 18:37 PilzAdam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B, Ctrl + F, "inheritance" 18:38 marktraceur And while you're there, maybe edit the article! :) 18:38 Jordach marktraceur, :P 18:38 rubenwardy brb 18:42 Oblivion1500 hello 18:43 mauvebic howdy 18:43 babyface1031 hi 18:43 Oblivion1500 how is every body? 18:44 mauvebic i was kidnapped, drugged and left for dead in mexico, and you? 18:45 mauvebic :p 18:45 PilzAdam I kidnapped and drugged someone and left him for dead in mexico.... 18:45 * PilzAdam runs 18:45 mauvebic hey jordach that code you pastebinned me didn't seem to work (re waterworld) 18:45 Jordach that should of 18:45 mauvebic lol 18:46 mauvebic was i supposed to put it in mapgen.lua or its own mod? 18:46 Jordach mauvebic, that worked in 0.4 dev around jan 2011 18:46 babyface1031 i am good Oblivion1500 18:46 babyface1031 how are you 18:46 Jordach mauvebic, its own mod 18:46 Jordach (like atlantis) 18:46 Jordach (that works) 18:46 mauvebic so me sticking in it mapgen is prolly what caused the uber-lag and nothing to load :S 18:46 Jordach yep 18:46 Oblivion1500 lol mauvebic, babyface1031: thats good, im doing well. 18:47 babyface1031 can anyone help me find the craft guide mod on the forums? 18:47 mauvebic i think its in unified inventory? 18:47 mauvebic or supermega inventory, i forget which 18:47 Jordach http://mods.minetest.ru 18:48 Jordach http://mods.minetest.ru/craft_guide/ 18:48 Jordach babyface1031, ^^ 18:48 babyface1031 ty Jordach 18:49 * Jordach is busy with some texturing 18:49 mauvebic speaking of textures: rubenwardy, for your food mood, i added mangos and uhm 18:49 mauvebic bananas 18:50 TheZenKitteh "This is unofficial mirror of minetest forum's "Mod Releases" section." ? there's a lot of mods missing lol 18:51 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2334 18:51 mauvebic ^ craft guide 18:51 marktraceur Oooh 18:51 rubenwardy back# 18:52 mauvebic bananas + wheat = banana bread? as for mangos... dunno lol 18:52 rubenwardy banana + chocolate + cook = banana split 18:53 mauvebic you'd need iced cream tho 18:53 mauvebic does food mod have dairy? 18:53 mauvebic jordach this is what i get: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3444445799 18:54 Jordach mobf has cows 18:54 Jordach mauvebic, ewhm 18:54 Jordach ehm 18:54 rubenwardy yes 18:54 Jordach that should work 18:54 Jordach in essense 18:54 rubenwardy milk, cheese, butter 18:54 mauvebic FPS is at 45, but hte map aint loadin', and takes forever to shut down :S 18:55 mauvebic i hope mapgen v7 will make this sortof thing much easier lol 18:59 mauvebic this generated: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3876187544 lol 19:00 mauvebic can i write an abm that operates on air? where y < 100...replace w/ water 19:00 VanessaE you'd be insane to do so :-) 19:01 VanessaE it'd be worse than triggering against stone :-) 19:01 mauvebic when you eliminate all the sane options 19:01 mauvebic lol 19:01 mauvebic minetest.register_on_generated <--- laggy as hell 19:02 Jordach hehehe 19:03 mauvebic okay so jordach your code works, its the _generated that doesn't seem to wanna work 19:03 Jordach lol 19:03 Jordach huh 19:03 Jordach using that it was possible to create a flatlands 19:04 sapier1 I don't recomend abms on air I've used them for a while ruining performance completely 19:04 * Jordach derps 19:04 Jordach sapier1, then what you suggest? 19:05 mauvebic ok so if i wanted the water level to be say, y= 200 19:05 sapier1 if you need to do something on a regular basis within air you're better of using "spawn eggs" which are generated on mapgen 19:05 mauvebic simplest route? 19:05 sapier1 ok different usecase 19:05 sapier1 I'd recomend on mapgen for this usecase too 19:06 mauvebic omg its finally loading 19:06 mauvebic ive had two coffees since i began lol 19:06 sapier1 just replace any air node with water ... will be quite slow but work 19:07 mauvebic how far along is the new mapgen? im almost tempted to write a few patches (would be faster) 19:07 sapier1 don't think it'll be faster if you use it that way 19:08 Jordach hey Gambit 19:08 mauvebic well if trees are faster in CPP, i bet waterworld would be too 19:09 Jordach mauvebic, how about custom flatland maps 19:09 Jordach (or even events to generate?) 19:09 mauvebic you mean pilzadam's flatlands? 19:09 Jordach mhm 19:09 mauvebic yeah i suppose if i change dirt for water source that could work 19:09 sapier1 waterworld would simply require do increase water level .. I guess this might be a minor change in current mapgen too 19:10 mauvebic take all the mapgen options and stick em in a mapgen.conf ;-) 19:10 mauvebic otherwise whats the point of having "games" if all the worlds look the same :p 19:11 sapier1 hmm there's a settings page in main window ... i assume that's correct place for options like that 19:11 mauvebic well minetest.conf is more for the server/client 19:11 sapier1 no not settings ... "configure" button for worlds 19:12 mauvebic ideally map settings should go in world.mt so you can different worlds running the same modpack/game folder 19:14 mauvebic this much loaded and then it stopped generating lol: http://www.zimg.eu/i/948991297 19:15 VanessaE mauvebic: emergethread probably hung up. 19:16 mauvebic even on 0.4.4 stable? damn 19:16 VanessaE it seems like the more map *content* that has to be loaded, the easier it is to hang the the emergethread code, even if you're not doing register_ongenerated() 19:17 mauvebic pretty soon i think we'll need a bug-sprint to go w/ the doc sprint lol 19:17 sapier1 is there anything to trigger this bug? probably like the mod I created to catch the collision check bug? 19:17 babyface1031 does the technic chainsaw work on conifer trees 19:18 mauvebic trigger it with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1517718/ 19:18 VanessaE so e.g. a bare untouched map will load fast and be less likely to hang than, say, a map loaded with huge conifers and jungle trees -- even if all you have are node defs to accommodate those trees, and NO abms, ongenerated, on_step, etc. code. 19:18 VanessaE babyface1031: never tried it, but I don't see why not 19:19 babyface1031 ok it might be my chainsaw let me try uncharging and recharging it 19:19 VanessaE at least, this is what it looks like to me. Even if I'm dead wrong about the cause, I am spot on regarding the symptoms. 19:19 mauvebic omg the mapgen is trying to put caves in the water lol 19:19 VanessaE sapier1: download my server map file from http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/My_World_server.tar.bz2 and give it a whirl. 19:20 Jordach welcome to NESMines: omg the mapgen is trying to put caves in the water lol 19:20 Jordach oops. 19:20 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/TMPFX 19:20 VanessaE and grab the game file from here: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/vanessa_game.tar.bz2 19:20 mauvebic i think it would be less of a mess if i started with a void map and did it myself lol 19:21 sapier1 I'll have try at mauvebics code first vanessa seems to be a really bad thing he's doing :) 19:21 VanessaE sapier1, mauvebic: this is a known bug, RealBadAngel went round and round with celeron55 over this. 19:21 VanessaE the cave generator operates even on air above ground. 19:22 mauvebic round as in... trying to fix it or prove it's existence? 19:22 VanessaE mauvebic: trying to prove/disprove *why* it needs fixed actually. 19:22 sapier1 I wasn't talking about caves but emerge thread :-) 19:22 mauvebic i know RBA's solution was to comment out 4/5's of the mapgen lol 19:22 VanessaE sapier1: ah right. 19:22 VanessaE mauvebic: no. 19:22 VanessaE I've seen the results of RBA's mapgen fixes. 19:23 mauvebic well i can testify that emergethread sucks lol 19:23 VanessaE they look like normal ordinary maps, but without caves destroying above-ground objects 19:23 mauvebic it got even worse in 0.4.4-d1 19:23 mauvebic oh thank god 19:23 mauvebic i hate the cave code 19:23 marktraceur celeron55: Hey, thanks for the shout-out on the blog, hopefully it helps out 19:23 mauvebic it fucked up so many of my shapes 19:23 VanessaE it's been getting progressively worse for the past few versions, it seems like. 19:24 mauvebic when's RBA's patch to the mapgen getting pulled? 19:24 VanessaE marktraceur: the blog that seems to be down you mean? :-) 19:24 VanessaE mauvebic: Juvember 42nd. 19:25 mauvebic vanessae as in celeron wont pull it until he's convinced its a problem? 19:25 sapier1 I've got another questen atm changesets seem to be queueing really fast ... or am I wrong? 19:25 VanessaE mauvebic: I can't speak from him, but if the conversations in -dev are anything to go by, probably not anytime soon. 19:25 marktraceur VanessaE: It was up enough for me to get an RSS update with a nice post :) 19:25 sapier1 I don't quite remember how fast/slow changesets have been merged/disposed in past. 19:25 VanessaE "Juvember 41st" is something my mom used to say in place of "not any time soon" whenever she wanted to be cute 19:26 VanessaE (I changed it to 42nd, to imply an even larger delay ;-) ) 19:26 mauvebic well if RBA can acknowledge and fix the problems, why doesn't he fork? lol 19:26 VanessaE mauvebic: he did. 19:26 mauvebic nice 19:26 mauvebic whats the git? 19:26 mauvebic same name i imagine 19:27 VanessaE mauvebic: he doesn't appear to have a current online repo. 19:27 VanessaE wait, here it is 19:27 mauvebic https://github.com/RealBadAngel ? 19:27 VanessaE https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest 19:27 VanessaE one of those branches probably has his mapgen fixes, assuming be pushed them already 19:27 * VanessaE pokes at RealBadAngel for signs of life 19:28 VanessaE (right about now he should be getting off work) 19:28 VanessaE (I think) 19:28 mauvebic you know half my mods are stalled in dev because of bugs lol 19:28 NakedFury means you are pushing the engine and finding bugs in the process 19:28 babyface1031 :( i tryed it dont work and you cant get the conifer tree fully cut down with out flying 19:29 mauvebic no cars or elevators until attach bug goes away 19:29 mauvebic no work on terrain guns for the same reason 19:29 klunk you are messing chainsow and timber mod ? 19:29 klunk babyface1031: ^ 19:30 VanessaE babyface1031: I know, they're supposed to be huge. Build a scaffold around it and then cut it down :-) 19:30 mauvebic i had to implement a cheap hack to make bullets auto-destruct after two seconds so they dont attach to new players lol 19:30 babyface1031 i have the technic chainsaw and i think it is the timber mod i am on oldcoders server 19:30 VanessaE mauvebic: that bug has since been fixed. 19:30 VanessaE (but entities jitter and jump and otherwise fail to move smoothly around the map still) 19:30 babyface1031 hi Octupus 19:30 mauvebic is the current git still -d1 or the emergethread/map not loading still a problem? 19:31 Octupus Hi babyface1031 19:31 OldCoder Hello 19:31 VanessaE emergethread is still a problem in git HEAD. 19:31 babyface1031 hi OldCoder 19:31 OldCoder babyface1031, Your 3D avatar is installed 19:31 Octupus Hi OldCoder 19:31 mauvebic so its fixed but i cant upgrade lol 19:31 OldCoder Octupus, Hi 19:31 VanessaE why can't you upgrade? 19:31 Octupus any1 missed me xD 19:31 babyface1031 thank you OldCoder 19:31 mauvebic cuz last time my maps wouldn't load at all 19:31 babyface1031 i did Octupus 19:31 OldCoder Octupus, Yes 19:31 mauvebic on -d1 19:32 VanessaE there isn't any new breakage since 0.4.4-d1, just some things that aren't any better. 19:32 Octupus :) 19:32 mauvebic perhaps we could do like linux and institute a feature-freeze and bugfixing period 19:32 Octupus so lets see where i start off :P 19:32 Octupus time to build some houses again :D 19:32 mauvebic thats usually the steps between stable versions 19:33 klunk hello OldCoder, could you grant me some worldedit privilege on Zegaton ? 19:33 VanessaE mauvebic: such was planned for 0.4.4 I think, but I guess it wasn't too productive. 19:33 VanessaE I'm sure emergethread and other bugs will be fixed, but when? dunno. 19:33 mauvebic though i thought zeg submitted a patch for the camera jumping? 19:34 OldCoder klunk, Yes certainly. Remind me in 15 minutes if it is not done. Is klunk your nick there? 19:34 VanessaE he may have, I don't know. 19:34 klunk OldCoder: I'm gonna learn far away civilisation, don't worry 19:34 Octupus i cant believe how long i havent played mt but still remember my password xD 19:34 sapier1 I know implementing new features is always more fun then bugfixing existing ones but if noone starts bugfixing soon minetest will get in trouble 19:34 klunk OldCoder 19:34 klunk yes 19:34 mauvebic sapier1 +1000 19:34 VanessaE sapier1: agreed 19:34 VanessaE and I don't want to see this game fail. 19:35 VanessaE it's got too much potential. 19:35 mauvebic well like most OSS project you have to first start by proving the existence of a bug a dozen different ways lol 19:35 VanessaE mauvebic: hmmmm proved it by signing onto my machine via SSH and watching a debug build running inside gdb with my map and my usual mods, players, etc. 19:36 klunk OldCoder: don't worry, I will probably use it tomorrow, and thanks ! 19:36 mauvebic when someone starts merchandising to put the money towards cpp devs to fix this stuff, ill buy 19:36 VanessaE mauvebic: someone is. 19:36 VanessaE rubenwardy has that swag he's selling now. 19:36 mauvebic yeah but the money isn't going towards new features, its paying for whats already there 19:36 OldCoder klunk, I will proceed now 19:37 OldCoder klunk, is your nick there klunk? 19:37 mauvebic i do believe in charity but i have friends and family who need it too... so if im to pay for a game, ill pay for progress 19:37 klunk OldCoder: yes it is 19:37 sapier1 there are 150 open issues for minetest 100 not even categorized ... 19:37 sapier1 count 50% valid still there are at least 50 real blockers 19:38 mauvebic rba and oldcoder and i have discussed several different methods of raising cash for specific goals 19:38 rubenwardy all of the money I get is going to Celeron55 19:38 mauvebic most importantly would be to pay someone to bugfix 19:38 rubenwardy if you have any better ideas, ask c55 19:38 OldCoder klunk, done 19:39 sapier1 you don't need cash for a project like this but interest ... it's to expensive to pay for it 19:39 OldCoder sapier1, next week I'd be interested in upgrading animals 19:39 NakedFury we also need to come up with Minetest specific images for the merchandise 19:39 mauvebic well by his own admission he's pretty busy and can't garantee the money will be spent on minetest so..;. 19:39 klunk OldCoder: thanks !! 19:40 OldCoder yw 19:40 mauvebic do you think a kickstarter could raise enough funds to pay a cpp dev to bugfix? 19:41 VanessaE possibly 19:41 marktraceur You'd have to do....a lot 19:41 VanessaE as long as you don't mind dealing with the "what is shit shit" and "I thought this was mineCRAFT" responses :) 19:41 Jordach or you know actually get PilzAdam to merge fixes 19:41 sapier1 oldcoder, core seems to be stable but there won't be all mobs 3d meshes next week 19:41 mauvebic okay, how about raising smaller funds to pay for specific bugfixes? 19:42 marktraceur mauvebic: I think it's important to spread word about the project first, not to mention make it easier for the community 19:42 OldCoder sapier1, Stable is all I really care about 19:43 babyface1031 OldCoder: i am still getting the error with the electric furnace or should i talk to RealBadAngel about it? 19:43 OldCoder sapier1, Do you have any comments on the disappearing animals issue? Said it was a known problem, right? babyface1031 did you have a question about that? 19:43 OldCoder babyface1031, Yes please 19:43 babyface1031 i had sheep and chicken now they are all gone and i dont see any in the wild 19:44 mauvebic im not a recruiter/missionary lol 19:44 NakedFury spread word about Minetest and provide a stable and feature full [ features promised on page and working 100%] game. and stop current members from bad mouthing or causing problems on other channels [irc] that could bring negativity to MineTest 19:44 mauvebic you cant really stop them 19:44 mauvebic all you can do is ban them here so they dont look like they belong to us 19:45 OldCoder mauvebic, Or you can talk to them 19:45 mauvebic someone with patience could yeah lol 19:45 NakedFury by stopping them I mean not encourage, punish [bans] 19:45 TheZenKitteh just to be sure.. is the name of the folder where mods go in a systemwide setup of minetest $HOME/.minetest/usermods ? 19:45 TheZenKitteh or has it changed 19:46 mauvebic but you know, we talk to them everyday, and the next day they pull the same shit 19:46 mauvebic at what point does one get fed up? 19:46 sapier1 mauvebic your code is making core run havoc addNode can't be used to update multiple nodes as it's implemented atm 19:46 mauvebic isnt technically my code it's jordach's 19:46 mauvebic should i be using set_node (is there a difference?) 19:46 sapier1 still this can't work 19:47 NakedFury TheZenKitteh: game folder>mods>minetest 19:47 NakedFury those will be system wide. for specific game type mods they go: games>the game folder>mods 19:47 sapier1 won't help 19:48 mauvebic so i cant really use on_generated for making flooded worlds? 19:48 sapier1 problem is adding nodes triggers full event handling cascade within core 19:48 sapier1 as long as there ain't a way to stop core from doing this for any single node this can't work 19:48 mauvebic i thought the mapgen/on_generated would provide an economical way of adding lots of nodes 19:48 TheZenKitteh NakedFury: I don't mean run in place.. I mean when its compiled not to run in place 19:49 * TheZenKitteh usually compiles run in place so not sure where other mod folder would be 19:49 mauvebic but in essence its no faster or better than writing a mod to incrementally raise the sea level 19:50 mauvebic rubenwardy the merchandise you're pushing, did you have to buy any stocks or they provide it on measure? 19:50 PilzAdam gtg; bye 20:04 rubenwardy provide on measure 20:04 mauvebic so i could come up with whatever designs and raise bounties for bugfixes 20:05 TheZenKitteh hehe *working on something for mintest and linux users* 20:05 mauvebic though someone else would have to manage the funds, im still in bankruptcy and i dont need the heat from auditors lol 20:06 Jordach "still" is a different matter 20:06 mauvebic 9 months 20:07 mauvebic twice that if its your second 20:07 Jordach at least youre not freezing 20:07 Jordach :P 20:07 sapier1 OldCoder yes there was a bug in 1.4 when a entity was unloaded within a torch for example it was removed on_activate 20:07 mauvebic no i found a rent where electricity was included lol 20:08 sapier1 still that may not be only bug in this are, I've got an idea how to avoid loss of playerspawned mobs but I didn't have time to implement it 20:09 mauvebic though its pretty funny - the other guy spent a fortune taking me to court to get his settlement, 20:09 mauvebic declare bankru 20:09 Jordach mauvebic, lol 20:09 mauvebic *declare bankruptcy, he gets nothing but nice legal bills lol 20:09 Jordach mauvebic, you should head into #minetest-mods 20:09 Jordach thats where the modders are! 20:09 Jordach (also: it does not spam up this channel :P ) 20:10 mauvebic we also sent a couple of heavies to deal w/ em lol 20:10 mauvebic cuz eventhough he won, his property really was a deathtrap 20:10 NakedFury a house you rented? 20:11 mauvebic yep 20:11 mauvebic so after losing the court case and screwing them with bankruptcy, 20:11 mauvebic we sent over firemen who condemned the whole building lol 20:11 Jordach haha! 20:12 Jordach trolololololol. 20:12 mauvebic no settlement 20:12 NakedFury a bad owner and really bad building? 20:12 mauvebic and - 6 rents lol 20:12 mauvebic bad owner? the guy plasters over mould and other shit the time it takes to rent out the unit 20:12 mauvebic then we found wires criss-crossing the ceilings of closets 20:13 mauvebic which explained our astronomical power bills 20:13 NakedFury wow then a real death trap 20:13 mauvebic last time i saw the concierge he had a limp and a black eye lol 20:14 NakedFury my sister is trying to buy her own place because she is paying $650 [or something close] with water included for a small apartment. Power bills she has to pay. Her new place will be same monthly but its BIGGER and hers. 20:14 mauvebic im gunning for a smaller place lol 20:14 mauvebic my wife accumulates shit until there's no more room 20:15 Jordach mauvebic, as long as it fits your space maps then were fine 20:15 NakedFury hoarder? 20:15 mauvebic yep lol 20:16 mauvebic besides its easier to heat a studio apt. then 4 rooms 20:16 mauvebic its always too hot or too cold depending which room youre in lol 20:16 NakedFury my mother and sister are Buyers. they keep buying stuff to decorate when we dont have room. My sister in particular is a shoe buyer. and almost always in pairs 20:17 mauvebic when my wife goes shopping i tell her to withdraw a certain amount and leave the wallet at home lol 20:17 NakedFury too much stuff in the house 20:17 NakedFury nice 20:17 mauvebic well its either that or put up with the excuses "it was on sale!" 20:17 NakedFury I should try that even if they tell me go to hell 20:17 mauvebic you dont save money by buying shit on sale 20:17 NakedFury not to stereotype but for women its always on sale 20:17 mauvebic you save money by asking if you really need it lol 20:18 * VanessaE grumbles... 20:18 NakedFury ohh that shirt looks nice let me check its on sale! bought 20:18 VanessaE you save money by choosing the on-sale item over the not-on-sale one you would have otherwise bough. 20:18 VanessaE bought* 20:18 mauvebic and women never check under the sale label to find out its the same price as last week lol 20:18 VanessaE (assuming they are equivalent) 20:19 LAD ahh 20:19 * LAD takes a nice swig of water hafter some hardcore basketball 20:19 mauvebic and sometimes you check under the label, and it was actually cheaper than the sale price lol 20:19 LAD oh lol sales they bring back so many memorys when i here or see the word SALE 20:19 VanessaE mauvebic: never seen that happen here in the states, at least not on as short a time scale as you are saying. 20:20 mauvebic http://www.failqc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/maxi.jpg 20:20 mauvebic "was 2.79. now 3.88" and unbeatable prices in bold lol 20:20 VanessaE heh 20:20 NakedFury never had that happen to us 20:20 NakedFury thankfuly 20:21 mauvebic not to mention those "up to x% or more off" which means nothing 20:21 mauvebic which translates to rebate <=> x% 20:22 mauvebic and i especially dont let my wife buy tech, otherwise shed get all those useless extended warranties lol 20:22 mauvebic that cost more than the product sometimes lol 20:23 mauvebic one time i bought a computer that came with norton, and the salesman tried to sell me the same antivirus for an extra 40$ lol 20:24 Jordach mauvebic, the best place for buying or upgrading, use ebuyer 20:24 Jordach (dont know if its US/CAN) 20:24 mauvebic i dont buy anything online, i used to work for UPS lol 20:25 mauvebic non-fragile = basketball, fragile = soccer 20:26 rubenwardy bye all 20:26 mauvebic night 20:27 NakedFury I buy from newegg or tigerdirect. have had good luck with the local ups guys and the packages include like 5 extra lbs of that protective popcorn stuff 20:27 NakedFury or best buy or comp usa if they have it cheaper 20:27 NakedFury those last 2 I have stores near me 20:28 mauvebic hell if the floor display model isn't scratched up you can usually get that for a decent rebate 20:29 mauvebic my biggest problem these days tho is getting a proper english keyboard 20:30 Jordach mauvebic, then buy from ebay or amazon 20:30 NakedFury english - UK ? 20:30 Jordach or english - US 20:30 mauvebic english US 20:30 mauvebic QWERTY style 20:30 Jordach oppa QWERTY style 20:30 mauvebic because of the stupid language laws here, all tech has to be "quebecois" 20:30 marktraceur Woo dvorak. 20:31 mauvebic which insures our programmers will never be as good as the rest of the world 20:31 NakedFury go to amazon then 20:31 NakedFury if you cant find one risk online retail 20:31 Jordach D: 20:31 mauvebic ideally we should have the right to buy whatever the fuck we want in stores without goin online 20:31 Jordach if in doubt: go find a PS/2 QWERTY, they are fucking cheap 20:31 Jordach less than a $ 20:32 sapier1 mauvebic I've just debugged this 3d code any node modified will cause minetest to touch more than 6 other blocks additionally to those blocks you touch ... this can't ever work ... changing a node is a heavy weight operation in minetest you should avoid it ;-) 20:32 mauvebic yeah but the minute i change my P4's motherboard ill have nothing left to plug it in 20:32 Jordach (even over here they are less than a £) 20:32 Jordach mauvebic, PS/2 to USB converters exist 20:32 marktraceur mauvebic: Canada has given the U.S. so much in terms of cheap prescription drugs....the least we can do is offer you cheap QWERTY keyboards. 20:32 Jordach to type the tiny little label letters 20:33 Jordach ** 20:33 mauvebic until the US companies realized they were getting screwed with online cdn pharmacies and made it illegal lol 20:33 TheZenKitteh its ALIVE 20:34 mauvebic though pharmaceutical companies aren't interested in curing anyone, they want you to take a steady stream of meds for the rest of your life lol 20:35 OldCoder sapier1, So updated animals may be less prone to vanish? 20:35 sapier1 yes 20:36 mauvebic ex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine 20:36 sapier1 still this only is true for complete vanish, that temporary glitch is still there 20:37 OldCoder sapier1, sorry if I don't follow yet... is temporary glitch a known problem in general with the engine? 20:38 sapier1 yes it's the bug sometimes you can't see entities until you log out and in again because server and client are out of sync 20:39 mauvebic i have this bug with ufos 20:39 mauvebic where i take one for a flight, land somewhere, and the place i started from has another copy of the entitity 20:41 VanessaE bbl 20:47 jojoa1997 Why was corner note banned? 20:47 mauvebic for posting obscene photos 20:48 jojoa1997 oh 20:48 mauvebic and for religious zealotry lol 20:48 jojoa1997 wow too bad he was a good coder 20:48 jojoa1997 or was he 20:49 mauvebic cant say i wasn't really active when he was 20:49 mauvebic but people seemed to like his work yeah 20:50 mauvebic until he became a born-again-vegan lol 20:50 jojoa1997 Mauvbic: have you added a pull request to VanessaE's pipeworks 20:50 Octupus hi jojoa1997 20:50 jojoa1997 Hi Octopus 20:50 mauvebic no my version has diverged even more then the last one i sent her 20:50 jojoa1997 ok 20:50 Jordach mauve-pipes 20:51 mauvebic at this point with me doing pipes and nore doing tubes, pipeworks should be just a modpack containing both mods 20:51 jojoa1997 oh yeah i am planning on making a mod that can allow different types of players 20:51 mauvebic minpipes or justpipes lol 20:51 mauvebic + my wife wants medieval type pipeworks with mills and such 20:51 jojoa1997 like spies scouts and warriors 20:52 mauvebic so trying to re-integrate *all* that into pipeworks with tubes built in, would be a nightmare for anyone to maintain 20:52 NakedFury check Better than Wolves Minecraft mod for their Mills 20:53 mauvebic i could use an animated mesh of a windmill and waterwheel 20:53 mauvebic give it a rightclick formspec similiar to mixers 20:53 mauvebic prolly identical formspec actually lol 20:54 mauvebic a huge mesh of a mill is alot better than trying to move a bunch of nodes/nodeboxes in sync lol 20:55 jojoa1997 what sets the player speed and size 20:55 mauvebic you dont 20:55 jojoa1997 and attack damage 20:55 mauvebic you attach a playyer to an entity for vel/accel 20:55 jojoa1997 you cant change the players speed and size? 20:55 mauvebic size yeah 20:55 mauvebic i think 20:55 jojoa1997 no it is for a mod 20:56 sapier1 you can't change player speed by now 20:56 jojoa1997 i want to make scouts(fast), spies(small), warriors(strong) 20:56 mauvebic default/player.lua::65 20:56 mauvebic for size 20:56 pandaro if it was so simple I did I 20:56 sapier1 you neet to change core to enable player speed changing 20:57 jojoa1997 ok nvm i cant compile 21:01 TheZenKitteh well I have just finished a bash based mod installer with support for repos. however I have to go run an errand and when I get back ill release it on github for testing 21:01 TheZenKitteh it downloads a properly formatted packages list file, gets full mod name from it, fetches mod, backs up old mod, installs new mod 21:02 TheZenKitteh also included is a packmod script to pack the mod to work with it 21:02 TheZenKitteh self contained as well and should work on any linux distro 21:02 sapier1 what os? 21:02 sapier1 :-/ 21:02 TheZenKitteh sorry but I can't do c or ++ but can do bash 21:02 TheZenKitteh lol 21:02 TheZenKitteh maybe someone can do a batch script for windows to do similar 21:02 TheZenKitteh lol 21:03 TheZenKitteh but ill be back in about an hour or so and will release then. need to do the finishing touches, pack up some mods for testing the repo and then release the scripts 21:03 sapier1 sorry but I don't think this will help ... maybe package format can be used but without support for all os minetest supports 21:03 TheZenKitteh it seems there's a lot of minetest users on linux 21:04 TheZenKitteh and I presume someone who knows how to do batch scripting might can do one for windows 21:04 TheZenKitteh 7z is cross platform 21:04 TheZenKitteh however I don't know much about batch 21:04 TheZenKitteh lol 21:04 jojoa1997 does windows 8 support minetest 21:04 sapier1 yes but at least I hesitate to create a package for a mod system not supported on any platform ... i already have to much formats to release too 21:04 TheZenKitteh the format is simply a 7z archive with max compression 21:05 TheZenKitteh it can be used for other repos assuming they use 7z to decompress 21:05 sapier1 how do you decide version number? 21:05 TheZenKitteh the moretrees mod for example compresses to just under 10KB 21:06 TheZenKitteh the installer doesn't know anything. it just fetches the package list, downloads the package, backs up old mod while appending date and time to name and installs new mod 21:06 sapier1 ok 21:06 TheZenKitteh its used by ./mtmodinstaller modname 21:06 TheZenKitteh its used by ./mtmodinstaller.sh modname * 21:06 TheZenKitteh technically it could be used to upgrade a mod 21:07 TheZenKitteh however it upgrades it as a complete package 21:07 sapier1 ok 21:07 TheZenKitteh any mods you have done to the old mod will have to be redone.. but its backed up so you can still access it 21:07 TheZenKitteh anyway gtg for now. be back hopefully within an hour or so 21:07 sapier1 I'll follow its development probably at some later stage I'll release for it too 21:08 TheZenKitteh oh and the packmod script you use with .packmod.sh /path/to/mod/modname modname_version 21:08 TheZenKitteh will result in a 7z archive of modname_version.7z 21:08 TheZenKitteh its in the readme im working on 21:08 TheZenKitteh anyway ttyl 21:11 jojoa1997 congragulations jonni you are the 4000th member 21:11 jojoa1997 Newest registered user: Jonni 21:11 jojoa1997 Total number of registered users: 4,000 21:18 pandaro jojoa:I understand creating different player is more difficult than expected 21:19 celeron55 some MCServer guy sent me an e-mail asking me to code their stuff 21:19 celeron55 wtf are they thinking 21:19 pandaro jojoa:hai ancora intenzione di provarci? 21:20 jojoa1997 pandero: yep what i was going to do was have a set of params and just change them to match each type 21:20 jojoa1997 also what does this mean"jojoa:hai ancora intenzione di provarci?" 21:20 celeron55 probably asking unpolitely if you know that language 21:20 pandaro jojoa:sorry...translate...you still want to try? 21:21 celeron55 oh 8) 21:21 sapier1 :-) maybe those mc guys need help ;-) 21:21 jojoa1997 yeah but i cant compile and i dont know C 21:22 Octupus celeron55,mc ppl are crazy :P 21:23 kaeza this guy is now officially annoying: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4455 21:23 sapier1 why not if they do pay well ? ;-) 21:23 jojoa1997 kaeza +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 21:23 jojoa1997 he just copied the code that i told him to look at in the api 21:24 kaeza +1000 to InfinityProject for his response 21:24 jojoa1997 and look at what he did with the register_craft 21:24 jojoa1997 i mean i came here not even knowing what lua was and i did better than that 21:25 pandaro jojoa: I know compile c (is easy) but program c it's another thing 21:25 kaeza pandaro, if you think C is hard, try C++ 8) 21:25 jojoa1997 i cant get a compiler either 21:26 mauvebic asteroid 5 http://www.zimg.eu/i/294445396 21:26 Zetetic I fyou think C is hard, try Lisp 21:26 Zetetic Much easier 21:26 kaeza mine was sarcasm Zetetic 21:26 kaeza C++ is harder than plain C 21:26 sapier1 if you don't know anything about c lisp may be easier 21:26 Zetetic Mine was serious and fascetious 21:26 pandaro sorry all coder for my fast judgment 21:27 jojoa1997 who is all coder 21:27 sapier1 kaeza not quite ... at least if you do memory handling c++ is better (safer) 21:27 kaeza pandaro, start with BASIC or Lua or Lisp or Python or 21:27 kaeza +e 21:28 pandaro I only know what I learned alone, not a programmer 21:28 pandaro i know python 21:29 pandaro and nothing else, lua ... I'm trying 21:29 jojoa1997 celeron55 could you make the properties for the player customizable in 0.4.5 21:29 sapier1 python c c++ lua perl java ... quite same concept just slightly different syntax 21:30 kaeza python is better to start because it enforces the good coding practice of indenting your blocks accordingly 21:31 pandaro I know it's the same thing ... to talk in practice is another thing 21:31 sapier1 of course ... you need to do it to get experience 21:32 pandaro yes celeron!!! you can!!! 21:32 kaeza pandaro, start with a simple "Hello World" program 21:32 kaeza and start experimenting with things like user input and such 21:33 pandaro I have these bases 21:33 jojoa1997 user input as in chat commands 21:33 sapier1 and buy a book about programming ;-) 21:33 jojoa1997 dont have money 21:33 jojoa1997 wish i could 21:33 sapier1 finde some outdated pdf books in web 21:33 sapier1 basic concepts stay same 21:34 kaeza pandaro, other than destroying your computer, there's nothing bad you can do by experimenting 8) 21:34 kaeza J/K 21:34 jojoa1997 lua is kinda like my math class with proofs 21:34 jojoa1997 if blah then bleh 21:34 jojoa1997 if not blah then bleh 21:34 sapier1 thats syntax ;-) 21:34 kaeza if A then B else C 21:34 sapier1 concepts are a little bit more than if else 21:35 pandaro I did not want to start this diatribe 21:35 jojoa1997 what is a ditribe 21:36 kaeza pandaro, your best bet would be getting a proper programming course :) 21:36 kaeza most (if not all) of us are not programming teachers 21:37 sapier1 you can't quite teache someone programming 21:37 kaeza sapier1, I know, programming is like poetry to me 21:38 kaeza but at least they can teach the basics like syntax and such 21:38 kaeza and point in the right direction to keep learning 21:38 sapier1 you need to develop some kind of pattern in your mind and improve it ... if you don't master this first step you'll never get done with it ... after that you need to see lots of code from other developers to learn how others solve a problem 21:39 * jojoa1997 head is boiling with anger 21:39 jojoa1997 LOOK HERE AT WHAT HE SAYS 21:39 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4455 21:39 jojoa1997 He didn't even try 21:39 pandaro so far I have not asked anyone to teach me anything 21:39 sapier1 calm down ;-) 21:39 jojoa1997 i have not asked but i do ask questions 21:39 kaeza WTH? 21:40 * jojoa1997 taking a deep breath 21:40 sapier1 just don't read it ;-) 21:41 kaeza jojoa1997, chase is 9 yrs old IIRC 21:41 jojoa1997 oh 21:41 sapier1 you haven't been reading lots of tutorials too jojoa ;-) 21:42 sapier1 9 yrs ... respect at that age I stopped my first attempt to learn c because I wasn't able to create that patterns 21:42 kaeza jojoa1997, you also told someone to "change" the "quotes" to 'quotes' to make it work lol 21:42 jojoa1997 i have been reading the api and making some but i dint just minestet.register_craft blah 21:42 kaeza great advice 21:42 jojoa1997 well that is what happened to me and gave me an error 21:43 jojoa1997 the ' ' didnt work out with it 21:43 jojoa1997 so ' ' and " " are the same 21:43 marktraceur In some languages, yeah 21:43 kaeza jojoa1997, as long as you close the quotes properly, both " and ' are valid quoted strings in lua 21:43 marktraceur '"' + "'" 21:44 jojoa1997 ok that is good to know 21:44 marktraceur Oh, bloody lua 21:44 marktraceur '"' .. "'" 21:44 kaeza marktraceur, fail 21:44 kaeza lol 21:44 marktraceur kaeza: I work in JavaScript all day, and I love it. 21:44 kaeza yeah 21:44 kaeza most langs take + as string concat 21:45 sapier1 c/c++ don't 21:45 marktraceur kaeza: Hilariously, in a language that loves strings (Lua), it's not true 21:45 sapier1 at least without support libs 21:45 kaeza Lua, Python, JS, and Java do 21:45 kaeza s/Lua// 21:46 sapier1 no not hilarious ... lua doesn't have type information for variables so it needs to decide by operator what to do 21:46 kaeza sapier1, did you know you can modify a value's metatable to support concat using '+' in Lua? 21:46 sapier1 no I didn't 21:47 kaeza you can do almost anything with the language in lua 21:47 sapier1 ok "no type information" isn't quite true too ... but not as strict as c++ and not as less as c 21:48 marktraceur kaeza: ", Python, JS, and Java do" 21:48 marktraceur l2regex 21:48 * kaeza phails at regexes 21:48 kaeza sapier1, lua *does* have type info 21:49 sapier1 yes but it hides them from user 21:49 kaeza nope 21:49 kaeza try this: 21:49 kaeza if (type(a) == "string) then ... 21:49 sapier1 normaly it does you may access them I know 21:49 kaeza whoops 21:49 kaeza forgot a quote 21:49 sapier1 I've used it numerous times 21:50 jojoa1997 does anyone have a hunger games server up 21:50 sapier1 still you normaly don't set a type 21:50 Muadtralk doesnt infinity project? 21:51 kaeza sapier1, that's because lua does not use statically typed vars 21:51 kaeza (like C-like languages) 21:51 sapier1 which is a real pain 21:51 sapier1 you don't see what type a variable is from code 21:52 kaeza I get your point 21:52 kaeza you don't see "number function foo ( number a )" 21:52 sapier1 yes put not seeing if something is a pointer is worse 21:53 * VanessaE is back (yay.) 21:53 kaeza sapier1, there are no pointers in Lua 21:53 sapier1 -put + but 21:53 sapier1 there are! ... they are called table ;-) 21:53 marktraceur Just like there's no crying in football 21:53 kaeza nope 21:53 marktraceur sapier1: References, not pointers 21:53 VanessaE marktraceur: that's baseball. :) 21:53 kaeza tables are [associative] arrays 21:53 kaeza hi V 21:53 sapier1 in practice that doesn't make a difference 21:54 marktraceur VanessaE: Baseball includes boredom-induced crying....not from me, but from a lot of others 21:54 kaeza sapier1, then use if (type(x) == "table") :) 21:55 VanessaE marktraceur: "There's no crying in baseball!" -- Tom Hanks, "League of Their Own" 21:55 sapier1 it's not quite practical to check type prior access to any variable ;-) 21:55 marktraceur VanessaE: I maybe saw that once 21:56 sapier1 so only way to go is be very carefull if using tables as parameters 21:56 VanessaE eh, way to kill the joke :) 21:56 kaeza sapier1, not really, if you document your functions well 21:56 kaeza C++ is worse 21:56 sapier1 :-) "be very carefull" ;-) 21:57 FreeFull I like functional programming 21:57 sapier1 no it isn't c++ compiler does type checking and rtti does additional while running 21:59 kaeza and you can also that in Lua with a proper wrapper ;) 22:00 kaeza *do 22:01 jojoa1997 bbl cya 22:01 kaeza anyway, there's no other way to enforce type safety from Lua 22:01 sapier1 we are not talking about what can be done with additions ;-) have a look at strongswan sourcecode ... its plain c but effectively using object orientation ... they've simply implemented any language syntax as macro addons 22:17 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4456 22:17 kaeza i reserve my comments on this one ^^ 22:18 Uberi I find it somewhat hard to remain impartial 22:18 Uberi also, what's a frist mod? 22:18 VanessaE is that like a frist psot? 22:19 VanessaE (first post, in slashdot-speak) 22:19 Uberi ARGH HE LINKED TO MINETEST.NET AS HIS WORLDS 22:19 VanessaE Uberi: you may now proceed to tell him he's a blithering idiot ;) 22:19 Uberi and plaigerized the gamedev.net article for his code 22:20 Uberi I have no idea what's going on here 22:20 Uberi well it doesn't matter the mod doesn't work anyways 22:21 * Oblivion1500 has after a little wile developed pretty good bash knowledge, and is now going to use glade to make myself some usefull gui's :) 22:21 sapier1 someone told it's a 9yr old boy ... so plz stay calm ;-) 22:22 VanessaE 9 years old!? 22:22 * VanessaE panics! 22:22 VanessaE ;) 22:22 Uberi who cares if he's 9 years old? when I was 9 I at least was writing my own darn code 22:22 sapier1 not everyone is as smart as you uberi ;-) 22:23 Muadtralk when I was 9 I was reading and understanding Orwell :P 22:23 Muadtralk not so keen on computers back then 22:23 Uberi still, I guess it's a good learning experience 22:23 Uberi maybe that guy will eventually pick something up about C++ and take the software world by storm 22:23 sapier1 and don't tell me you didn't copy your "hello world" first time you created one I won't believe you either ;-P 22:24 Uberi sapier1: well yeah I suppose you're right :P 22:24 Uberi "Hello world" better not be copyrighted 22:25 marktraceur Uberi: Patented, actually. By Alexander Bell. 22:25 sapier1 I think I should try to get a patent on learning programming languages by starting with hello world app 22:25 Uberi I bet you'd get the patent 22:25 sapier1 hmmm seems that guy was stealing faster than me ;-) 22:25 Uberi marktraceur: no way! 22:26 Uberi doesn't it lapse into public domain after 50 years? 22:26 VanessaE someone in Australia managed to get a patent for the wheel some years back, and it held out for a short while too :-) 22:26 Uberi heheheh 22:26 Uberi at least in Canada, we have automatic public domain 50 years after the death of the holder 22:26 marktraceur Uberi: Only if your estate isn't held by jackasses, I guess 22:27 Uberi oh darn, I forgot about the estate 22:27 VanessaE Uberi: for patents, 28 years if you renew, 14 if not. for copyrights, 90 years. 22:27 sapier1 global patent systems are broken somehow ... i accept patents are needed for some developments but in computer sciences they're bad 22:27 NakedFury we need a global patent system that wont be exploited by opportunistic bastards 22:27 Uberi is it possible? 22:27 VanessaE Uberi: I mean in the US that is. 22:27 Uberi is there such a system, even in theory? 22:28 VanessaE sure it could happen, *in theory*, but all of us know that it'll be corrupted, twisted, and exploited to death anyway 22:28 marktraceur If international law weren't an oxymoron 22:28 sapier1 we don't need software patents at all 22:28 Uberi sapier1: but then who would fund innovation? 22:29 sapier1 those who need to be protected can't afford to protect themselfs by patents either 22:29 VanessaE "oxymoron"... oh you mean that guy who died recently who was pushing the laundry products? ;-) 22:29 Uberi true 22:29 sapier1 and big companys like apple samsung google microsoft and co don't need any protection 22:29 Uberi VanessaE: hey that product worked! <_< 22:29 NakedFury patents are used to backstab big $$$ products years after they are done for some of the $$$ 22:29 VanessaE Uberi: I never said it didn't ;-) 22:30 Uberi sapier1: well, if they came up with something really innovative they would 22:30 Uberi VanessaE: oxyclean just can't beat CLR though 22:30 sapier1 no they wouldn't 22:30 sapier1 to create any product you HAVE to violate hundreds and thousands of simple patents 22:31 sapier1 so no small company ever will be able to get critical mass prior being taken to court 22:31 Uberi I think getting taken to court should not be so costly, expensive, and huge a deal 22:32 Uberi I think it is more effective to fix the court system than just the patent system 22:32 marktraceur You shouldn't think "Aw, have to go to court" you should think "ALL RIGHT! I get to argue for an hour today!" 22:32 sapier1 it's not costly just sell to google microsoft ... whoever and you're done 22:32 Uberi that way you benefit a lot more than just the software industry 22:32 Uberi marktraceur: exactly! I love arguing! I should be a lawyer! 22:33 marktraceur Uberi: High five for probably-should-be-lawyers 22:33 marktraceur Uberi: Oh, and you're in Canada! They have the kickass robes! 22:33 sapier1 if there were any change that alone would do a big difference that'd maybe worth a patent ... but I can't remember any single change having that effect 22:33 Uberi marktraceur: 'tis true, the robes are sweet 22:34 Uberi sapier1: sliced bread! 22:34 Uberi everyone keeps claiming it for their own 22:34 Uberi as if they invented it 22:34 sapier1 we're talking about software ;-) 22:34 Uberi sapier1: Sliced_Bread.exe 22:34 marktraceur Uberi: The problem is none of them have the balls to keep prior art around. I have a sandwich from 1950 in my fridge just waiting for someone to challenge my patent. 22:35 VanessaE marktraceur: you better re-check that, it's surely grown legs and walked out by now... :) 22:35 Uberi marktraceur: exactly, you'd wait all the way until you need to appear in court 22:35 Uberi and then you fire your appointed lawyer 22:35 Uberi walk up to the bench 22:35 marktraceur VanessaE: No, after the last escape attempt I posted guards. No problem. 22:36 Uberi and just slam that sandwich down 22:36 Uberi case closed 22:36 VanessaE haha 22:36 Uberi and the plaintiff is out all his court costs 22:36 marktraceur Uberi: Biological warfare is no way to comport oneself in a court of law. 22:37 Uberi marktraceur: well if you want to fix the court system, you have to do it one smelly sentient sandwich at a time 22:38 sapier1 still have a look at apples "rounded corners" design patent ... I've got an old analog pad at home looking almost exactly same as an ipad ;-) 22:38 Uberi hogwash, clearly a time travellor must have brought it back 22:40 sapier1 http://www.gelsenkirchener-geschichten.de/userpix/837/837_Tafel_Buchstaben_1_1.jpg 22:40 sapier1 it's got even the "button" 22:40 Uberi :O 22:40 Uberi see what I mean? 22:41 sapier1 so how the hell got that design a patent? 22:42 Uberi some patent clerk got paid a lot of money under the table 22:42 sapier1 it's even better than an ipad you can write to it! 22:43 Uberi whoa 22:43 Uberi how's the battery life? 22:43 Muadtralk unlimited 22:43 Uberi O_o 22:44 Muadtralk and it has multitasking 22:44 Uberi must be some sort of perpetual motion machine in there 22:44 sapier1 more than 1000000 write erase cycles 22:44 Uberi amazing 22:44 Uberi looks like some sort of high tech e-ink screen 22:44 sapier1 unlimited resolution and readable in direct sun too 22:45 Muadtralk can you drop it? 22:45 Muadtralk and have it not break? 22:45 NakedFury better shock resistance too 22:45 sapier1 not quite sure depends on device there are shock resistant ones roo 22:46 sapier1 it even has some sort of primitive sound device ... but most dont ppl like its sound 22:47 sapier1 ppl dont :-) 22:59 Dogzilla131 Can somebody help me use the work bench? It says bigger but how bigger. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3275 23:00 VanessaE it means you need to be using recipes that can take advantage of a 4x4 or 5x5 crafting grid. 23:01 Dogzilla131 LIke? 23:01 VanessaE like..whatever mod uses them :-) 23:01 VanessaE I think nekogloop's toolsizes does 23:01 VanessaE there's example Lua code right there on the page 23:03 Dogzilla131 Yeah, but it doesn't show with tools. 23:04 VanessaE tools use the same kind of crafting recipes that other stuff uses I thought? 23:05 Dogzilla131 so like how do you make medium size stone tool? 23:05 VanessaE write a mod that can craft such a thing 23:06 VanessaE workbench doesn't change any existing recipes, it just lets modders create bigger ones 23:09 Dogzilla131 How, can you show me an example for a big tool 23:10 VanessaE use the code on the page 23:10 VanessaE instead of three rows with three items each, you can go up to 5 rows with 5 items each 23:11 VanessaE there's really nothing to id 23:11 VanessaE it* 23:11 NakedFury http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1172 23:11 NakedFury I had not seen that little program 23:12 Uberi oh yeah NakedFury I'm not maintaining that anymore 23:12 Uberi go use Nore's simulator instead 23:17 marktraceur NakedFury: Randomly, I ping you about http://dev.minetest.net/User:MarkTraceur/Tech_tree_idea 23:17 marktraceur NakedFury: Mostly just wondering if you'd like to run with it 23:19 NakedFury it would be beyond what I know. I cant code ground breaking stuff that goes beyond what the api has and that is also limited. I would love to be able to do it. 23:19 Uberi like how pilzadam discovered the wielditem technique of making 3d entities 23:19 marktraceur I don't think it breaks new ground 23:20 Uberi that was pretty amazing 23:20 marktraceur I think if you do it right, it will follow the existing API paradigm and be a great addition to the game 23:21 NakedFury I will have to try. 23:21 NakedFury no harm in trying it 23:22 marktraceur NakedFury: If you need help I can step in every once in a while 23:24 kaeza chopped down a pine tree lol: 85 tree blocks and around 800 leaves 23:25 VanessaE kaeza: using RBA's new trees test program? 23:25 kaeza your moretrees on Octuworld 23:26 VanessaE oh 23:26 VanessaE those are conifers ;-) 23:26 VanessaE not just "pine" trees ;) 23:26 kaeza oh 23:26 kaeza you are right lol 23:27 kaeza the huge amount of entities surely would kill the server 23:27 kaeza maybe I should recommend OC to deactivate leaf decay 23:28 VanessaE I disabled that on mine also 23:28 NakedFury too many leaves 23:31 kaeza 809 to be precise 23:32 kaeza also, entity handling on the client is somewhat bugged 23:32 kaeza my FPS is now 15 23:32 kaeza even though I have collected all the leaves 23:33 kaeza oh and 43 saplings :) 23:34 RealBadAngel try big oak, 5,5k leaves and 300 tree nodes ;) 23:35 kaeza lol 23:35 kaeza HAH and I chopped it for nothing. It seems I cannot craft the trunks into planks :/ 23:36 RealBadAngel im doing now planks textures for all the trees 23:36 kaeza oh ok 23:36 kaeza then I will stash the trunks somewhere 23:37 kaeza also, it seems conifer leaves cannot be used as fuel 23:39 kaeza trunks seem to work ok 23:40 NakedFury maybe increase a chance to NOT get leaves? needing 20 chests to stor 5.5 leaves is overkill 23:41 kaeza lol make them falling nodes when no trunk is near 23:41 kaeza that should be a nice view to see 23:41 marktraceur NakedFury: Burn it! BUUUUURRRRRNNNNN ITTTTTT 23:42 NakedFury add a machete and only drop the leaves if you use it on them 23:42 kaeza add a real physincs engine and make trees tumbe when you cut a single node :) 23:42 marktraceur Or maybe add a node dirt_with_leaves, then dirt_with_dead_leves, then it goes back to dirt_with_grass 23:42 kaeza physics. even 23:43 marktraceur Real live biology! Inside your computer! 23:43 kaeza tumble* 23:43 Uberi individual leaves undergoing finite element fluid simulations 23:43 kaeza marktraceur, that could be possible by using the code for snow biomes :) 23:44 kaeza i.e. the falling snow 23:44 Uberi the cellulose structure of each visible to the naked eye 23:44 Uberi you punch a tree, and break a knuckle bone 23:44 Uberi you try to mine stone with a wood pick, and it snaps in two 23:45 NakedFury uberi that would be a hard game to play 23:45 marktraceur kaeza: Why? Just set an ABM that searches down for a dirt node, then change it to dirt_with_leaves 23:46 marktraceur Might be a good idea to also have dirt_with_grass_with_leaves so you don't need to store metadata about whether there was grass on it before 23:47 Uberi NakedFury: you punch the dirt, and... nothing happens 23:47 NakedFury you will need more animations uberi 23:48 Uberi totally 23:48 NakedFury actually having a tool breaking animation instead of it dissappearing would be a good idea 23:51 kaeza NakedFury, or add a "broken" item for every tool. Which replaces the original tool 23:51 Uberi nooooo 23:52 kaeza and crafting the broken tool with a block of the material it's made of would restore it 23:53 NakedFury I meant how they break in minecraft. no extra textures for it 23:54 kaeza marktraceur, but having separate "leaves" (like the "snow") makes it possible to put it over all kinds of nodes without having to define a x_node_with_leaves node 23:54 kaeza not just grass 23:54 marktraceur Good point 23:54 NakedFury easy: big pile of leaves, medium pile of leaves, small 23:55 NakedFury 3 diifferent textures and stages 23:55 marktraceur All walkable (but maybe slow you if it's big) 23:56 NakedFury and new sounds