Time Nick Message 00:02 TheZenDaikon hmm either something has changed or the throwing mod doesn't shoot arrows 00:05 TheZenDaikon get a lot of "followed to wrong place" 00:05 TheZenDaikon but can't test throwing mod as it doesn't seem to work at throwing arrows. about time for work so likely won't get to test it right now 00:06 kaeza last time I tried the throwing mod arrows were killing myself 00:08 TheZenDaikon ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer uses throwing:bow_wood, pointing at [object 2] 00:08 TheZenDaikon but of course no arrows used 00:08 TheZenDaikon nothing happens as well 00:08 TheZenDaikon also seems hitting vombie with mese pick is same as punching 00:09 TheZenDaikon ACTION[ServerThread]: LuaEntitySAO at (54.8305,2.7,-33.0383) punched by player singleplayer, damage 0 hp, health now 6 hp 00:09 TheZenDaikon but I will say it does appear vombies are a little faster 00:10 TheZenDaikon fps remaining above 25.. without vombies averages 60 00:10 NekoGloop TheZenDaikon: punching == hitting with anything 00:10 TheZenDaikon well then mese pick does no damage to vombies 00:10 TheZenDaikon lol 00:10 TheZenDaikon I hit them over 20 times and it only reduced their hp from 6 to 3 00:11 TheZenDaikon when I get back from work ill have to see if I can find out why the bows aren't shooting arrows 00:11 kaeza yeah. entity damage calculation is pretty fucked up 00:11 kaeza IDK if that has been fixed yet 00:11 TheZenDaikon and both the animals and throwing I just got from github 00:12 klunk TheZenDaikon: you should know vombies are not really damageable in the same way than humans, that's why we know they are zombies ... 00:12 TheZenDaikon how are you supposed to kill them if throwing doesn't work and all you have is default available items and tools? 00:12 TheZenDaikon lol 00:13 klunk TheZenDaikon: on some server, I usually kill them with "épée" 00:13 klunk swarm perhaps 00:13 TheZenDaikon epee? 00:13 TheZenDaikon lol 00:13 kaeza a kind of piercing sword 00:14 kaeza somewhat like a rapier IIRC 00:14 TheZenDaikon I will suggest that any mod that includes weapons should work with any mod that includes mobs to ensure they work together well 00:14 klunk sword, thanks kaeza ! 00:14 TheZenDaikon ah 00:14 OpDredd The epee is the closest thing in modern fencing to a rapier 00:15 NekoGloop an epee is basically a rapier with more of a hand guard iirc 00:15 klunk rapier ? "rapière" = not so far 00:15 OpDredd But the late rapier is actually a type of bastard sword IIRC 00:15 OpDredd A hand and a half sword 00:16 TheZenDaikon well hate to run but work beckons. need to begin getting ready for it 00:16 * Kacey has to stop learning about the different domensions 00:16 TheZenDaikon short day so be back in about 4 hours or so 00:16 kaeza domensions? 00:16 kaeza lol 00:16 kaeza TheZenDaikon, have fun 00:16 TheZenDaikon kacey stop confusing poor kaeza 00:16 kaeza ttyl 00:16 TheZenDaikon lol 00:17 Kacey dimensions, even 00:17 TheZenDaikon english isn't his native from what I could gather 00:17 TheZenDaikon :P 00:17 TheZenDaikon will say kaeza for a non native speaker you do better than most native speakers 00:17 * kaeza piensa que Kacey tiene que aprender a hablar ingles de forma correcta 00:18 Kacey i am a native english speaker 00:18 TheZenDaikon anyway ta ta for now 00:18 kaeza ttyl 00:18 Kacey it was dark 00:18 kaeza too late... 00:19 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head 00:19 kaeza *meow* :3 00:19 NekoGloop :3 00:20 * kaeza puts another kittne in NekoGloop's head 00:20 * OpDredd steals the spare one 00:20 NekoGloop mewo 00:20 * OpDredd purrs happily 00:20 * Kacey looks around 00:21 kaeza 3: 00:21 Kacey VanessaE is not here right? 00:21 Kacey ok good 00:21 * Kacey puls out a cookie and starts eating it 00:22 Kacey pulls, even 00:23 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Kacey's head and it eats the rest of the cookie 00:24 Traxie21 Steve 00:25 NekoGloop Bob 00:25 Traxie21 Steve! http://images.zap2it.com/images/movie-197825/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-9.jpg 00:26 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6947865600/hB105C85D/ 00:26 kaeza LOL ^ 00:26 klunk Steve, Bob and Roberta are not here 00:26 Kacey my cookie :( 00:27 Traxie21 Steve! http://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/6858262945116_cloudy_with_a_chance_of_meatballs_15.png 00:27 * Kacey begins throwing the kitten around 00:27 Kacey nobody eats my cookie 00:27 Oblivion1500 hello everyone, is there a world achor out there for minetest? 00:28 Oblivion1500 or like a small land anchor 00:28 Oblivion1500 something like that i guess.. it keeps that spot active so like your tools will work wile your gone. 00:29 kaeza ? 00:29 kaeza explain 00:30 NekoGloop Chunk loader 00:30 Oblivion1500 a node your drop to keep that part of the world active like say 5 nodes around that node, and you can go anywhere in the world and that will still stay active 00:30 Traxie21 Steve! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZPXdhXzW6g 00:30 Oblivion1500 furnace will continue to work wile your gone 00:36 kaeza Oblivion1500, IIRC, they work if you start a server 00:36 kaeza but not in single player 00:37 Oblivion1500 ? 00:37 kaeza I mean, things keep updating out of sight in a server 00:38 NekoGloop He means if you go mining and you want your stuff at home to work when you're in your mines. 00:38 NekoGloop Or if you have a giant mesecons machine and need it to all work. 00:38 kaeza yes, I know what he means 00:38 NekoGloop kaeza: It would work fine in singleplayer 00:39 NekoGloop Granted, when you close the game then it stops. 00:39 Oblivion1500 link? 00:39 NekoGloop Oblivion1500: There is no such device 00:40 Oblivion1500 oh, then what was he talking about when he said IIRC? 00:40 kaeza I mean, in SP, once you go far from, say, a furnace, it stops working until you come back 00:40 Kacey Menche long time no talk huh? 00:40 Menche hi 00:41 Menche thinking of bringing my server back 00:41 Kacey OOH YAY 00:41 Menche should I use the old map? i still have a somewhat damaged backup 00:41 Kacey naw new map 00:44 Menche saw landmine was on irc earlier? 00:44 NekoGloop kaeza: It stops working in multiplayer too, if there's nobody in a nearby mapblock 00:44 Kacey ya he is on alot 00:44 NekoGloop kaeza: Theoretically a dummy player object could provide the same effect as having the player in the area. 00:45 kaeza oh I thought it kept on in MP 00:45 kaeza that's a hackish way 00:45 Oblivion1500 how, things in real life work when im away from them 00:46 kaeza I hate being two days in my mine, and find out none of my lumps were cooked when I get back to my house 00:46 Oblivion1500 and thats what the anchor would be used for 00:46 kaeza that would require changes in the engine I guess 00:47 Oblivion1500 why? 00:47 kaeza either that or have two accounts on the server 00:47 kaeza and keep one idling in the spot 00:47 Oblivion1500 it would use your account 00:47 Oblivion1500 make it so it thinks your standing there 00:48 Oblivion1500 but,,, also in another place... 00:48 kaeza so how do you plan to do it? 00:48 Oblivion1500 i dont know.. lol 00:48 Oblivion1500 i think it should just work 00:48 kaeza that's what I'm trying to explain 00:48 kaeza you can't be in two places at the same time from the same account 00:49 NekoGloop kaeza: That was my idea, except this block would instead spawn a dummy player. 00:49 Oblivion1500 well how does the object know that your arround when you are arround? 00:49 NekoGloop Therefore no extra cpu load on the players. 00:50 NekoGloop Oblivion1500: The game literally forgets theres a (furnace/anything else) there when you walk away, to save processing power and memory. 00:50 kaeza how do you spawn this "dummy player"? 00:51 NekoGloop kaeza: Like any other entity, maybe. 00:51 kaeza I thought the engine treated players differently 00:51 kaeza (real players) 00:52 kaeza or it just keeps track of "player entities"? 00:52 NekoGloop kaeza: I am unsure, however if the latter is the case then that should be taken advantage of. 00:53 kaeza agreed 00:53 kaeza are you trying to code it? 00:54 kaeza do you have any implementation ready? 00:54 NekoGloop I dont have any kind of lua coder system on my ipad, sorry. 00:55 NekoGloop You can look at my hostname to know if i'm on my ipad; webchat doesnt let the cloak work so therefore my ipad will be the only time that i get the cloak properly. 00:56 OpDredd Nice use of cloak fail :) 00:56 OpDredd I don't understand why cloaks don't work on the web client though 00:57 Exio an unaffiliated cloak in webchat is useless 00:57 NekoGloop Because webchat is stubborn and thinks that the hostname has to include the ip. 00:57 Exio you can see the ip with a whois or looking at the ident 00:58 OpDredd I meant "why" as in motivation" 00:58 OpDredd s/"//3 00:59 OpDredd Last time I used the web client logging in applied the cloak and then removed it 00:59 NekoGloop Indeed. 01:00 OpDredd It's a shame, especially as it's not a bad web client as these things go 01:00 OpDredd And of course because some people can't install software 01:01 NekoGloop And for others the software simply isnt *made* 01:06 VanessaE hi all. 01:07 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head 01:07 * Kacey hides his cookies 01:07 * VanessaE puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile. 01:08 OpDredd http://dailycuteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/deer-kitty-cute-pictures.jpg 01:09 OpDredd Just because this seems like a channel that might enjoy that 01:09 VanessaE awwww 01:09 OpDredd That must be a truly tiny deer 01:09 OpDredd But it's insanely cute :) 01:10 OpDredd That's my latest shot from the cute-war I'm currently embroiled in :) 01:13 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on OpDredd's head 01:13 OpDredd I'm a deer! 01:13 OpDredd hello kitten! 01:14 Kacey dinner 01:16 OldCoder VanessaE, there is no pile you are starting over 01:16 OldCoder IIRC they were transformed into Unknown Blocks or Kitten Kubes 01:17 * VanessaE configures NekoGloop's kitten generator... [Runs: 1][kittens: 50][cuteness level: 35][variance: 25] 01:17 * VanessaE runs the generator and pours the output into OldCoder's new pile :) 01:18 NekoGloop error: "runs" variable not set or unable to be found. 01:18 VanessaE lol 01:19 * NekoGloop keeps the same variable name style through all variables 01:19 NekoGloop For example, i wouldnt have "Runs" when the rest are e.g. "kittens" and "variance" 01:19 NekoGloop I would have "runs" in that case. 01:20 NekoGloop And i would have "Runs" if they were "Kittens" and "Variance" 01:20 Menche was the forum just reset? 01:20 kaeza NekoGloop, well, it seems you error reporting mechanism uses string.lower() 01:21 NekoGloop kaeza: No, it wasnt able to find the variable "runs" because VanessaE set it as "Runs". 01:21 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/ is restored to 13th jan 01:21 kaeza oh lol 01:21 VanessaE NekoGloop: don't blame me if you label your buttons with strings that don't match the code ;) 01:21 * kaeza phailed 01:22 kaeza thexyz, great1 01:22 kaeza ! even 01:22 NekoGloop VanessaE: You set the variables manually; i cant help it. 01:22 marktraceur kaeza: "DEBUG: irc.connect failed" 01:22 kaeza marktraceur, ? 01:22 kaeza error? 01:23 marktraceur Was working before, then a network error happened, now that message shows on restart 01:24 kaeza marktraceur, try running /irc_reconnect 01:24 kaeza I will take a look at the code 01:25 kaeza any other context you can provide? 01:25 kaeza error 01:25 kaeza * 01:26 kaeza thexyz, will the forum issues go away now? 01:26 NekoGloop Will thexyz be hosting the forums permanently? 01:26 marktraceur kaeza: I can't even connect to the server right now. Maybe there's some kind of network issue still, I'll wait a bit. 01:27 NekoGloop That way at least, the forums will have much better uptime. 01:27 kaeza marktraceur, ok, there seems to be nothing wrong in the code. please tell me if the error occurs after those problems go away 01:28 kaeza just to be sure 01:30 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on marktraceur's head 01:32 Muadtralk tell me is there something that causes the forum crashes? 01:32 Muadtralk I must know 01:33 NekoGloop Muadtralk: Shitty ips. 01:33 Muadtralk ahhhhh 01:33 NekoGloop Or whatever the hell the acronym is 01:34 kaeza VPS? 01:34 Muadtralk quick offtopic question: Who was better in your opinion? Galileo or Sir Issac Newton? 01:34 Muadtralk details welcomed 01:34 NakedFury lincoln 01:34 Kacey norris 01:34 kaeza josé artigas 01:35 NekoGloop Muadtralk: Newton actually came up with correct facts, and galileo was incorrect, however provided the cause for finding the correct facts. 01:35 * Kacey is starting to ponder life... 01:36 kaeza yeah, but you forgot about the caveman that invented the original wheel :P 01:36 Kacey GOD 01:37 Muadtralk GOD didnt invent the wheel 01:37 NekoGloop kaeza: Sure he invented the wheel but someone else made use of it. 01:37 Muadtralk no he didn't invent it 01:37 Kacey god set off a firecracker that we call the big bang because he got bored 01:37 Kacey DINNER 01:37 NekoGloop Yes 01:38 NekoGloop DINNER invented everything 01:38 Muadtralk he kicked two people out of a garden for eating some fruit and left them only with a few pelts 01:38 Muadtralk thats hardly inventing the wheel 01:38 NakedFury he just wanted the apples for himself 01:38 * Muadtralk is using the version of adam and eve that came out of the top of his head 01:38 NekoGloop DINNER invented everything because at the end of the day, you're eventually someone else's dinner. 01:38 Muadtralk yes he did 01:39 Muadtralk then he got fat and sleepy and left us alone for awhile 01:39 NekoGloop Then 2012. 01:39 NekoGloop Then he reloaded from a backup. 01:41 kaeza Muadtralk, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb2ls9Hkin1r6wfuho1_500.gif 01:43 NakedFury nice 01:45 Muadtralk nice 01:53 NakedFury forums are up and nobody is posting 01:53 NakedFury is that why you wanted them so much? 01:53 VanessaE you don't see the notice in bold red? 01:53 NakedFury no 01:53 NekoGloop VanessaE: That's gone 01:53 VanessaE oh, are we on real forums now? 01:54 Muadtralk no its just a hallcinagen i put in everyones drink 01:54 VanessaE heh 01:54 Menche they got reset a few minutes ago i think 01:54 NakedFury vanessae I thought of another zone, beach zones 01:55 NekoGloop VanessaE: As far as i know thexyz will be hosting them now. 01:55 VanessaE NekoGloop: right 01:55 Muadtralk I liked it better when it just gave a plain error message 01:55 Muadtralk that way I dont skip the text and forget its down 01:55 Menche any chance of the jungleanddungeons branch being added to master? 01:56 Muadtralk prolly not 01:56 Muadtralk with the new mapgen with tree's coming 01:56 Muadtralk and new biomes or at least so I have heard 01:56 NekoGloop A biome registry function iirc. 01:56 jojoa1997 the forum works now just thought i would drop by and tell yall 01:57 Menche is the work on the new mapgen available in anyone's repo? 01:57 VanessaE yay, forum thread mass-open :-) 01:57 NekoGloop Dont you just love it when someone leaves before you can say "fuck you, we knew that st00pid" 01:57 Menche ...and so a massive traffic spike crashes the forum 01:57 Muadtralk kowelkr 01:57 Muadtralk or somethng like that 01:58 VanessaE Menche: https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/yay_new_branch 01:58 VanessaE unless he's already merged it to his master branch, in which case get the master branch instead :) 01:59 NekoGloop Lol "yay_new_branch" 01:59 VanessaE thexyz: looks like you lost the favicon in the transfer 02:00 NakedFury is that user hmmm here on irc? 02:00 Menche at first glance, it appears to be in his master 02:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: yeah, we know :-) 02:02 jojoa1997 ok 02:03 jojoa1997 just happy that is all 02:03 Menche now I need to re-add all my posts that just got reverted 02:03 jojoa1997 have fun ;-) 02:05 jojoa1997 VanessaE: what are the types of trees you will add to your moretrees mod 02:05 Oblivion1500 hey does anyone know a bash command to start a script at a certan line? 02:06 kaeza Oblivion1500, ? 02:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: with any luck, all of the ones in the "New trees" thread, but I need help choosing biome settings for them. 02:06 kaeza WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT 02:06 Oblivion1500 i mean continue a script 02:06 Oblivion1500 like a go to line command 02:06 VanessaE Oblivion1500: such does not exist. 02:06 Oblivion1500 bologna 02:07 Menche clear the screen then echo a bunch of newlines? 02:07 jojoa1997 VanessaE: what about sequoias. RealBadAngel showed som pics earlier 02:07 kaeza Menche, he means something like a goto command 02:07 VanessaE jojoa1997: those, oo. 02:07 VanessaE those too. 02:08 Oblivion1500 no im writing a script and i need a if you type this it exits but if you type this it loops back and does what you asked again 02:08 kaeza VanessaE, and palms :) 02:08 kaeza while loop 02:08 kaeza Oblivion1500, ^ 02:08 jojoa1997 you should make a list on the topic so others can discuss it in the forum 02:09 Menche a more complicated timber mod will be needed for the fancy new trees 02:09 Oblivion1500 kaeza you might have something there 02:09 kaeza Oblivion1500, take a look at the while, for, and case, commands 02:10 kaeza Oblivion1500, `select' may be helpful too 02:12 Oblivion1500 or i can just do wile [ $yesno == "y"]; then do some crap till $yesno == no or something else else 02:12 Oblivion1500 ? 02:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE: i will be saying what types of trees should go where but it will be a broken up list 02:14 VanessaE jojoa1997: not here, not now. 02:14 VanessaE I'm not too clear-headed right now, I'll forget 02:14 VanessaE post on the moretrees thread 02:14 jojoa1997 on your forum topic? 02:14 VanessaE but first, 02:14 jojoa1997 ok 02:14 VanessaE read the API for plants_lib (plantlife) so you can see what kind of controls are available. 02:14 VanessaE hey bas080. 02:15 jojoa1997 does plantlib have a github 02:15 VanessaE yes 02:15 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife 02:15 VanessaE API: https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/blob/master/API.txt 02:15 bas080 Thnx VanessaE 02:15 kaeza Oblivion1500, here's an example: http://pastebin.com/Ypgcb3D6 02:17 Oblivion1500 kaeza: thanks, now i know another method.. i might do that but i want to try something different.. just to learn 02:17 kaeza sure 02:17 kaeza just find what better suits your need 02:17 kaeza +s 02:18 NakedFury making a 1$ dollar formal suit just popped into my head. what a weird thought 02:21 Muadtralk made out of 1 dollar bills? or made for 1$ 02:21 AndroidFury made out of 02:21 Muadtralk cool 02:22 NakedFury once I have enough to waste on it 02:22 Menche not random at all 02:22 NakedFury well I was eating bbq pringles and watching the golden globes stuff 02:23 Kacey back 02:23 Muadtralk see its related to money which buys things, minecraft is a thing that takes money! minecraft looks kinda like minetest 02:23 Muadtralk ergo your thought 02:23 kaeza NakedFury, it seems that you, *puts on glasses*, will be laundering money 02:24 AndroidFury ill be wearing money, washing it, smelling it 02:24 Muadtralk get covered in mud and you will be filthy rich 02:24 AndroidFury literally 02:25 AndroidFury i wonder if any millionaire has done this before 02:25 kaeza to Google! 02:26 Kacey bill gates has mud-phobia 02:26 NekoGloop There's people who win lotteries too 02:26 NekoGloop Lots of them round here 02:27 Menche or you could do money laundering to make a suit to do money laundering 02:28 kaeza bill gates has linuxphobia 02:29 kaeza :trollface: 02:29 Kacey Menche: have you decided if you will restart your server 02:29 Kacey my "Y" key is strange 02:29 jojoa1997 VanessaE: done :-) http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63499#p63499 02:30 jojoa1997_tablet Kacey: have you made the black whole nodes 02:30 kaeza jojoa1997_tablet, underground trees-trees that spawn in caves(really really rare) <== +1 02:30 jojoa1997_tablet kaeza 02:31 jojoa1997_tablet kaeza: i was also thinking underwater trees but then i didnt add them to the list 02:31 Kacey jojoa1997_tablet: a little busy yet 02:31 Menche Kacey: yes, still haven't decided if it'll be survival/creative, whitelist/public, old map/new map 02:32 kaeza jojoa1997_tablet, it seems the engine does not spawn trees underwater ATM 02:32 * kaeza test using RBA's tree spawner inside a cave 02:32 Menche trying to write another protection mod, I'm not really satisfied with any existing ones 02:33 Muadtralk not even node ownership? 02:33 Kacey a new map-survival-public and another old map-creative-whitelist 02:33 Muadtralk or interact plus? 02:33 jojoa1997_tablet kaeza they show spawn in complete darkness if you make them spawn with 0 light 02:33 Menche node ownership is flexible but requires moderator intervention 02:34 Menche protector can be used by players but isn't as flexible 02:34 Muadtralk borderstones! 02:34 Muadtralk is jacoo around? 02:34 Menche i liked jachoo's protection 02:34 Menche he seems to have vanished though 02:35 jojoa1997_tablet Does anyone know when mapgenV7 or minetest 0.4.5 will be out? 02:35 Muadtralk when hmmmm decides so 02:35 Muadtralk and when c55 decides so 02:36 jojoa1997_tablet who is hmmmm 02:36 Muadtralk hmmmm is hmmmm 02:36 Kacey hmmmm is hmmmm 02:36 kaeza hmmmm is hmmmm 02:36 Kacey damn Maudtralk steal my idea 02:36 jojoa1997_tablet as in ummm 02:36 kaeza and Kacey CCCCCOMBO BROKEN it 02:36 AndroidFury menche try to recreate a MC protection mod 02:36 Muadtralk he is making mapgenv7 02:37 noodric http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/988773-11-minechem-v15/ 02:37 noodric what of this 02:37 kaeza noodric, +1 02:37 Menche my protection mod idea: protection blocks with a formspec to specify name, co-owners, coords, etc 02:37 mauvebic chem! 02:38 jojoa1997_tablet i like it 02:38 mauvebic TM) (too much overhead) 02:38 mauvebic *TMO 02:38 kaeza noodric, I don't know who you are, but I will find you, and I will kiss you 02:38 jojoa1997_tablet Menche but that give players too much freedom and the ability to overlap cords 02:38 mauvebic with the number of zones on public servers need protection needs to get simpler 02:39 mauvebic *nbode 02:39 mauvebic *node 02:39 Muadtralk noodric your not in a minecraft irc channel 02:39 Menche it would check for overlap and max nodes 02:39 jojoa1997_tablet #minecraft 02:39 mauvebic a nations mod where you can assign entire chunks to groups of players would simplify things enormously 02:39 Menche and use entity markers to mark out the edges of areas for a number of seconds after editing 02:40 NakedFury Towny or a nations mod would be loved here 02:40 NakedFury towny + money mod + lots of players = good times 02:40 kaeza let's make chem for MT! 02:40 mauvebic with nations and chunks assigned you only need to check 2 things: which nation the chunk belongs to, and weather or not the digger/placer is a member of that nation 02:41 jojoa1997_tablet You could use faction mod also 02:41 mauvebic as opposed to checking every protection zone, who it belongs to, and weather the user is on the list of coownes 02:41 mauvebic *co-owners 02:41 kaeza mauvebic, still the same overhead as using coord based protection 02:41 jojoa1997_tablet afk 02:42 mauvebic less 02:42 kaeza nope 02:42 Kacey Menche had an epic server before MAx (segfault22) went mad and LM showed up 02:42 kaeza cause you must check the coords of the chunk's bounds 02:42 mauvebic with a coordinate based system you have to check the pos against all the sets of coordinates 02:42 Menche my server's old map is 300M 02:43 Kacey wow 02:43 mauvebic because the zones are not uniformely shaped or distributed, you have to check all the zones 02:43 Kacey figures though 02:43 kaeza I see your point now 02:44 Menche landmine liked watching people lose their temper, max lost his temper easily 02:44 kaeza a simple divide and modulo is enough to check ownership 02:44 mauvebic though its relatively easy to determine what chunk your in without doing all those checks 02:44 Menche landmine and max were like gasoline and oxygen 02:44 jojoa1997_tablet back 02:44 mauvebic the more protection zones you add, the laggier it gets 02:44 Muadtralk no matches menche? 02:44 Menche ? 02:44 Menche what about using metadata for protection 02:45 Kacey Keegan was a little power crazy 02:45 mauvebic wont work 02:45 Muadtralk (09:44:15 PM) Menche: landmine and max were like gasoline and oxygen 02:45 kaeza Menche, that's done by node_ownership IIRC 02:45 Muadtralk no match to light the gasoline? 02:45 Menche sorry, bad analogy 02:45 Kacey me ^_^ 02:45 mauvebic i only have 12 mods and more than enough nodes get changed on a regular basis by abm's, those metas aren't automatically rewritten 02:45 Muadtralk and max was cool before he well..... lost it 02:46 jojoa1997_tablet Who was max 02:46 Oblivion1500 kaeza: http://pastebin.com/Y2Y3LFBr 02:46 Menche segfault22 on the forums 02:46 Kacey katiekitten (was that her name?) pushed max over the edge 02:46 mauvebic i mean metas are good if you want to set an owner to be used in conjunction with can_dig 02:47 Muadtralk thats about when I left the server 02:47 Muadtralk :P 02:47 Menche i think i pushed max over the edge when i kicked him 02:47 kaeza Oblivion1500, that duplicates the "read" part, but works anyway 02:47 Menche i just got fed up, then he exploded 02:47 Muadtralk what was he doing anyway? 02:47 Muadtralk I cant remember 02:47 jojoa1997_tablet boom.................. O.o 02:47 Menche well hello 02:47 kaeza Oblivion1500, also, get used to indent blocks of code 02:47 jojoa1997_tablet hola 02:48 LandMine Hola 02:48 kaeza hola 02:48 leo_rockway hola 02:48 Oblivion1500 yea i was and i made a mistake and i thought it was the indent,,, it wasent lol 02:48 Muadtralk yo landmine 02:48 kaeza another C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER 02:48 Muadtralk you remember max? 02:48 LandMine Yeah...what about him 02:48 Kacey crap we should no longer say LandMine's name but LM maybe he wouldnt show up 02:49 NakedFury http://xshade.ca/projects/towny/ for MT 02:49 Muadtralk what drove him over the edge? 02:49 NakedFury we need that 02:49 Menche and you say that now that he's here 02:49 Muadtralk I cant remember 02:49 mauvebic if he shows up because you spoke his name he was probably already here under another lol 02:49 kaeza Oblivion1500, it makes it easier to read both for you and others ^_^ 02:49 LandMine I called him poor that pissed him off I guess 02:49 Menche he had a really, really short fuse 02:50 Muadtralk didnt he ban me for doing something stupid? 02:50 jojoa1997_tablet was he a good modder 02:50 Muadtralk I forget..... 02:50 LandMine I wasn't actually mauvebic I went to eat and got on my phone 02:51 mauvebic with so many fakes on this channel its hard to tell lol 02:51 Menche i demoted max on my server after he banned several players 02:51 LandMine And I don't know sdzen I can't recall 02:51 mauvebic max ah yes now i remember him lol 02:51 mauvebic telling everyone what to do as if he was in charge 02:51 Menche then i temp banned him for starting a flame war 02:51 sdzen yep! 02:51 Menche and he exploded and declared a griefer war on me 02:51 mauvebic (i barely listen when the people really are in charge lol) 02:52 Kacey max banned me for taking his shout away 02:52 LandMine He said he was gonna suicide because of me....that was funny 02:52 sdzen I forget who was it I was in a flamewar with around that time? 02:52 sdzen I think it was deathdealer 02:52 mauvebic he probably cut for bieber lol 02:52 Kacey flamewar? 02:52 mauvebic i wouldn't be surprised 02:52 mauvebic he had the same attitude as deathdealer 02:52 mauvebic both gave me the same kind of shit 02:52 sdzen deathdealer was nicer about things though 02:53 mauvebic where do these fucking losers get off telling productive people what to do? lol 02:53 sdzen but i just had to question his rap 02:53 VanessaE ah there he is. 02:53 jojoa1997_tablet there who is 02:54 VanessaE mauvebic. 02:54 mauvebic deathdealer wasn't nice so much as annoying 02:54 sdzen donny osmond? 02:54 sdzen oh muavebic 02:54 jojoa1997_tablet mauvbic make code easier for vanessae to add to pipeworks 02:54 LandMine Mauvebic I sense negativity....take a sec and breathe 02:54 jojoa1997_tablet the code for the pipeworks mod 02:55 mauvebic its not negativity its pragmastism - a lifetime of dealing with idiots lol 02:55 Kacey night all 02:55 VanessaE mauvebic: please pull pipeworks and add your all-the-other-liquids changes - without rewriting any of my code....and make a pull request please :-) 02:55 kaeza night 02:55 jojoa1997_tablet depends on how long your lifetime is 02:55 LandMine Later kacey 02:55 VanessaE I just added Nore's item transport code to pipeworks - pneumatic tubes can now move items! 02:55 jojoa1997_tablet but how do we get items in it 02:56 VanessaE read the first post, I just updated it. 02:56 * kaeza puts another kittne in NekoGloop's head 02:56 NekoGloop VanessaE: Is there an extractor? 02:56 VanessaE NekoGloop: yes, the "filter" object 02:57 NekoGloop Can we color tubes and set a color to send a particular item to? 02:57 jojoa1997_tablet VanessaE: near my village on your server is pipeworks at use take a look 02:57 VanessaE NekoGloop: not yet. 02:58 VanessaE there, the server's been updated and restarted with the latest changes to pipeworks. 02:58 jojoa1997_tablet VanessaE: what did you change to the chests 02:58 LandMine Nekogloop that is a great idea...why not code it urself ;-) 02:58 NekoGloop VanessaE: Well i'm gonna try to make a item transport system of some kind. Seeing as i always have such great ideas it may be literally throwing items across the room ;) 02:58 VanessaE jojoa1997_tablet: Nore redefined them so that they have the appropriate tubes group settings. 02:59 jojoa1997_tablet so nothing physical is changed then 02:59 NakedFury different colored tubes that connect to their color only, right click tubes to bring up a window then place the block you want and only blocks of that type can pass 02:59 VanessaE jojoa1997_tablet: I'm not sure, I haven't read through the entirety of the code yet. 02:59 VanessaE pull pipeworks, look at compat.lua 02:59 kaeza cool! I didn't nootice that the screen does not tint red anymore when damage disabled 02:59 jojoa1997_tablet with that i can now mine and have a transport system 03:01 NakedFury vanessa is that the future of the pipemod? what I typed up 03:01 jojoa1997_tablet if i have all the items go to one chest wont they come back to the other chest 03:02 * jojoa1997_tablet sleep with kitten generator 03:03 VanessaE NakedFury: I don't know really. I'll just have to see what others come up with - a lot of pipeworks depends on other peoples' code. 03:03 jojoa1997_tablet gtg night 03:03 * VanessaE pokes mauvebic :-) 03:05 * kaeza randomly pokes marktraceur 03:05 mauvebic could nore do it? 03:05 kaeza any news on the network problem? 03:06 mauvebic ive already made more changes to my local version thats further out of sync 03:06 mauvebic without counting im redoing all my plantlib textures and have to write a new node protect for my space server which im trying to put up in a week lol 03:07 NakedFury make towny for MT 03:07 mauvebic im thinking of going either with the nations/chunk idea 03:07 mauvebic or the nodex/buying property idea 03:08 NakedFury go with a protection that sets the MT equivalent of MC chunks. 03:08 NakedFury so you start your settlement with 1 of those 03:08 mauvebic what does that mean? 03:08 NakedFury well MC chunks are 16x16xheight of the game 03:08 mauvebic and MT are 10x10x10 i think? 03:08 VanessaE mauvebic: well, do you think you could at least distill it down to a file or two I can add to the mod that can be dofile'd? 03:08 VanessaE 16^3. 03:08 kaeza mauvebic, make the "grid" configurable 03:09 kaeza so you are not limited to 16x16 blocks 03:09 NakedFury what are mnetest chunks? 03:09 VanessaE mapblocks are 16^3 nodes and are loaded in 5-mapblock sets 03:09 NakedFury I really like chunk more than I dig mapblocks 03:10 NakedFury but anyway its 16x16x16? 03:10 mauvebic well the nations idea would be simple: you plant your nations' flag on an unclaimed chunk 03:11 mauvebic if warefare is enabled then claimed chunks can change hands according to whatever settings 03:11 kaeza NakedFury, I think the 16 x Inf x 16 is a bad idea 03:11 mauvebic ideally i want node protection without the insane overhead: that means protecting entire asteroids for groups of people, rather than segments of asteroids for individuals 03:12 NakedFury http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/towny-advanced/ 03:12 mauvebic then you could vote people in/out 03:13 * VanessaE pokes mauvebic -- answer me dammit :) 03:13 mauvebic not working on pipeworks right now 03:13 VanessaE eh, ok 03:13 mauvebic towny seems like a mix of the market/nation ideas 03:13 mauvebic you join the nation but you have to buy the land anyways 03:14 mauvebic though that brings us back to protecting tons of small zones for indiv. players 03:14 kaeza mauvebic, not really 03:15 kaeza well, it would be faster that irregular zones as you said 03:15 mauvebic well a standard grid is already better yeah 03:16 NakedFury well start on that and then as you find faults in it improve 03:16 mauvebic another method 03:16 kaeza but how do you prevent the players from spamming flags everywhere just because 03:16 kaeza ? 03:16 mauvebic would be for the admin to designate lots for sale 03:16 NakedFury the plots are for generating tax 03:17 NakedFury flags are for sale and you need say atleast 5 people for one 03:17 mauvebic dont need tax nodex turns a 20% profit that should technically go the admin 03:17 NakedFury the tax was for nation income to pay their monthly payments to server 03:18 NakedFury dont pay start losing land 03:18 mauvebic lets not go overboard lol 03:18 mauvebic i still havent figured if i want it to be autogridded, grid-by-admin, purchase or national land lol 03:19 kaeza mauvebic, I'd go with configurable grid 03:19 NakedFury work through each one 03:19 mauvebic i can start with nodex 03:19 mauvebic if i want to expand to nations, than it means giving each nation their own nodex 03:20 mauvebic with their own prices and rates 03:20 kaeza forget about the market for now 03:20 mauvebic the admin could designate lots that go up for sale, that way the admin can control sprawl and development 03:20 kaeza start with the protection scheme 03:20 mauvebic they go hand in hand 03:20 mauvebic to protect an area you must know who bought it 03:21 mauvebic if you want players to pay for territory rather than just say "puuuleaze" then i need the market component working lol 03:22 NakedFury nation leaders control plot placement right? 03:22 mauvebic i think ill add a "planner" priv for designating lots 03:22 mauvebic when i expand nodex to support nations ill go to the national leaders 03:23 NekoGloop Meow 03:23 kaeza woof 03:27 NakedFury ohh mauvebic you could also do residential plots and shop plots. so when you do towns or cities you dont end up with shop houses or a weirdly made town with shops in the middle of recidences 03:28 mauvebic you can zone for different types of building but theres no way for a mod to actually guess what the user has built :S 03:28 mauvebic unless i can find a meta with the word 'shop' in it 03:29 NakedFury shop plots: allow placing shop signs and trading stuff. non shop plots dont allow it 03:29 mauvebic and even then its up to the admin to remove the offending work since a mod would probably lop off the entire block lol 03:29 NakedFury for example: your trading mod stuff would not work on non shop plots 03:30 * NekoGloop puts kittens on all the heads 03:31 mauvebic i dunno, i dont want my mods to be too draconian 03:31 mauvebic if youre inviting people to join your faction then you must trust them enough to do the right thing? 03:31 sdzen licencing.... 03:31 mauvebic i dont like wasting cycles imposing extra rules 03:31 mauvebic i dont see what that has to do with anything sdzen 03:32 sdzen the trading stuff 03:32 mauvebic more confused lol 03:32 sdzen you could have people pay to have a licence outside of the non shop plots 03:33 NakedFury so you buy a license to include trading things in your plot? 03:33 mauvebic hmm 03:33 mauvebic well you can already buy anything off the market, and if you remove the craft for a certain node then you can only get it off the market 03:34 mauvebic basically it would the admin or trusted moderator, selling shop nodes to players? 03:34 sdzen yes I would think so..... 03:35 NakedFury yes 03:35 mauvebic im already looking for ways to incorporate salaries, bounties and transfers into nodex 03:35 mauvebic as well as p2p node transfers 03:36 mauvebic i figure with salaries players who waste their time settling fights and such could at least be compensated to buy the nodes they didn't have time to mine for lol 03:36 mauvebic players who build road/sidewalk grids too, could be paid to do so 03:36 NakedFury that would be nice 03:37 mauvebic well people aren't gonna focus on the little details until you give'em incentive to 03:37 mauvebic in my case im obsessive compulsive and it shows in my maps lol 03:38 NakedFury a job board: admins or other players post jobs in the board[with signs], to make sure they are paid you have to pay to include the money amount in the sign. when you finish job admin or poster checks then "signs" as job done 03:38 jojoa1997 i like that 03:39 mauvebic the bounty system yeah: basically the player has to put the money down first, and when a 3rd party verifies the job was done properly, the money is paid out 03:39 NakedFury yes 03:39 mauvebic the job spec can't be changed once work commences 03:39 mauvebic unlike real life lol 03:39 NakedFury yep 03:39 NakedFury but they can remove job before people take them 03:39 NakedFury in case they made a mistake 03:40 mauvebic though i wont be incorporating chargeback, someone else will have to come up with a courts mod lol 03:40 mauvebic in most economics you always run the risk of getting screwed anyhow so i dont see why MT should be special in that regard 03:43 mauvebic AS5: a torus superstructure anchored by an asteroid: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3211841185 03:43 mauvebic that thin slice is the aeroponics bay lol 03:46 NakedFury looks good 03:47 NakedFury instead of carts what you need is a monorail or something futuristic 03:47 mauvebic yeah i want one of those tube-like trains of the future lol 03:48 mauvebic or one of those airport flat escalator things 03:50 mauvebic basically an invisible boat following a track 03:51 NakedFury I want to do an elevator with pistons but cant 03:52 thexyz VanessaE: there wasn't any forum favicon, will probably add one 03:53 VanessaE thexyz: there used to be - it was just the usual minetest logo 03:53 NakedFury 10 nodes people end up asking for a MESE block 03:53 thexyz that one was minetest.net favicon 03:53 VanessaE yup 03:53 VanessaE I guess it got inherited into the rest of the forums pages then 03:54 thexyz which was displaying on both minetest.net and minetest.net/forum 03:54 VanessaE I wonder what would be best for the forums.. 03:54 VanessaE maybe one of the game's default blocks or something 03:54 VanessaE a bookshelf! 03:54 thexyz i think the mt.net one is fine 03:55 VanessaE *shrug* ok 03:55 VanessaE but if you were to change it, use a bookshelf cube :-) 03:55 NakedFury use a GM 03:56 VanessaE a GM? 03:56 NekoGloop Gloop Master 03:56 NekoGloop ;-) 03:56 VanessaE oh. 03:57 NekoGloop xD 03:57 VanessaE I ..don't think that'll work :) 03:57 NekoGloop I dont even know what you are all talking about xD 04:01 NekoGloop Would anyone care to enlighten me? 04:01 VanessaE NekoGloop: the little icon that displays next to the page address in your browser (and in the tab thereof) 04:02 VanessaE it got lost in the transfer from c55's previous host to thexyz's 04:02 NekoGloop VanessaE: Use the mese block! 04:03 NekoGloop Considering it doesnt look like ass now. 04:04 VanessaE thexyz: ^^^^^^^^^ 04:04 VanessaE +100 04:05 VanessaE if there's anything unique to MT it's Mese. :-) 04:10 sdzen whats wrong with minetest logo? 04:10 VanessaE nothing at all. 04:10 sdzen then use it! 04:10 sdzen :) 04:11 VanessaE I guess it wasn't supposed to be used on the forums to begin with :-) 04:12 sdzen hmmmmmm 04:12 sdzen then put the greenman 2.0 on it 04:12 sdzen just the head 04:12 sdzen maybe with shoulders and a neck 04:13 * kaeza suggests just the bookcase texture :) 04:13 sdzen dirt 04:13 sdzen cause thats all we are 04:14 kaeza if we are dirt, then why aren't we all useless blocks? :P 04:15 kaeza 04:18 VanessaE Does anyone have links to a decent screen font to use for MT btw? 04:19 kaeza Why not use some as DejaVu Sans? 04:19 VanessaE I don't know how fonts actually work in MT.. 04:20 kaeza hmm 04:21 kaeza are the widths of the chars hardcoded in the engine? 04:21 VanessaE not sure at all 04:21 VanessaE I don't think so 04:25 NekoGloop Why not look at how the fonts are formatted currently? 04:25 kaeza it seems they are in a rectangular grid 04:26 VanessaE because I'm too lazy? :-) 04:26 kaeza I'm looking where the widths /height of font is defined 04:26 Menche they're in fontlucida.png i think 04:26 VanessaE kaeza: orange and yellow dots in the image I think 04:26 kaeza yeah 04:26 VanessaE which is why I haven't simply made my own 04:26 Menche there was a fork with ttf support i think 04:26 kaeza but 'i' is not the same width as 'A' 04:26 VanessaE sorry, c55, that was a stupid idea. 04:27 VanessaE :) 04:27 Menche there's some program called irrfontmaker or something like that 04:27 Menche that makes those images 04:29 jojoa1997 is there such thing as minetest.env:remove_entity 04:29 kaeza jojoa1997, entity:remove() 04:29 jojoa1997 thanks 04:30 kaeza (but you must find the entity somehow first) 04:30 jojoa1997 is this right minetest.env:add_entity 04:30 kaeza I think 04:30 kaeza check the API docs :) 04:31 jojoa1997 lol i forgot that the entity dies after 1 second anyways XD 04:31 kaeza wb TheZenKitteh 04:32 TheZenKitteh ty kaeza 04:32 Infinity_69 hi 04:32 TheZenKitteh is forum officially restored or still not a good idea to post to it? 04:32 kaeza hi Inf 04:33 TheZenKitteh hey infinity_69 04:33 kaeza seems like it 04:33 Infinity_69 oh kaeza, what are you doing up so early? 04:33 Infinity_69 school much> 04:33 Infinity_69 ? 04:33 kaeza Infinity_69, it's 2:30 here 04:33 TheZenKitteh is celeron55 around to confirm or deny if forum is "good to go"? 04:33 jojoa1997 it is up and running 04:34 TheZenKitteh yea bit site still down with message. was curious the news concerning it 04:34 TheZenKitteh it was saying data may get overwrote 04:34 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: the forums are up now 04:35 VanessaE reload the page 04:35 Infinity_69 kaeza, this is the code i have so far, will it work? 04:35 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf 04:35 Infinity_69 hi VanessaE 04:35 NekoGloop VanessaE: I think it searches for the rightmost pixel in each letter, then subtracts the X of the leftmost from the X of the rightpost. 04:35 NekoGloop rightmost even 04:36 Infinity_69 oh...its 6:33 am here :D 04:36 Infinity_69 I've got chicken on the side, money on my mind. 04:36 Infinity_69 kaeza 04:36 Infinity_69 will this code work? 04:36 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf 04:36 VanessaE kaeza: the only font maker I can seem to find requires windows. bleah. 04:37 Infinity_69 hey VanessaE 04:37 VanessaE hi. 04:37 Infinity_69 can you look at my code? 04:37 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf 04:37 VanessaE no 04:37 Infinity_69 why 04:37 VanessaE because I'm about to go to bed 04:37 Infinity_69 im making a simple whitelisting mod :/ 04:37 Infinity_69 oh... 04:37 Infinity_69 kaeza :D 04:37 Infinity_69 you crashed? 04:37 NekoGloop Irc seems to draining my ipad's battery like hell so gonna go. K thx bai 04:38 TheZenKitteh lol nekogloop needs to use a real computer.. or at least a wall adapter 04:38 Infinity_69 Is this mic on, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, on! 04:39 Infinity_69 TheZenKitteh 04:39 Infinity_69 do you know the API & LUA? 04:39 TheZenKitteh im still fairly noobish with lua 04:39 Infinity_69 kaeza 04:39 Infinity_69 oh ok 04:39 kaeza ? 04:39 Infinity_69 uh, uh, 04:39 Infinity_69 woops 04:39 TheZenKitteh I've been pushing my comfort level to learn 04:39 TheZenKitteh then jail mod came 04:39 Infinity_69 will this code work? 04:39 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf 04:39 TheZenKitteh lol 04:40 kaeza ... 04:40 kaeza I don't even know where to start 04:40 Infinity_69 I'm so cold, yet im still hot. 04:40 Infinity_69 ? 04:40 Infinity_69 VanessaE, you there? 04:41 VanessaE yes but not for long 04:41 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf 04:41 Infinity_69 whoops 04:41 Infinity_69 minetest.register_on_joinplayer(io.open('whitelist.txt')) 04:41 Infinity_69 will it get the info inside the whitelist.txt when a player joins? 04:41 kaeza http://lua.org/pil 04:42 Oblivion1500 ^that 04:42 Infinity_69 not it? 04:42 TheZenKitteh ooooo im reminded of a mod idea I wanted to see if anyone knew how possible it was 04:42 kaeza TheZenKitteh, spit it out 04:42 TheZenKitteh live streaming music from a shoutcast or oddcast server in game? 04:42 kaeza possible 04:43 Oblivion1500 that would be awesome! 04:43 TheZenKitteh could be interesting to have like a "radio block" 04:43 Menche sound files aren't all loaded on startup? 04:43 kaeza Menche, yes 04:43 * Infinity_69 is not continuing the Simple Whitelisting mod anymore. 04:45 kaeza TheZenKitteh, if you get luasocket, a wrapper for the shoutcast protocol, and a portable library to access sound hardware... 04:45 TheZenKitteh of course its sound distance needs to be limited so it won't get annoying 04:45 TheZenKitteh I wouldn't even know where to start on that kaeza 04:46 kaeza I just said it was possible, I didn't say it would be easy :P 04:46 TheZenKitteh your irc mod makes me want to yao ming.. it works but I have little idea how 04:46 Oblivion1500 im going to put radio boxes everwhere!!! 04:46 Infinity_69 kaeza 04:46 kaeza ? 04:47 Infinity_69 Zeg9 said, that its possible to play a sound when a player eats an item... 04:47 Infinity_69 how? 04:47 Infinity_69 on_use = raxfood.tosast() 04:47 Infinity_69 ? 04:47 Infinity_69 on_use = raxfood.toast() 04:47 Infinity_69 * 04:48 VanessaE ok, time for bed. Night all. 04:48 kaeza night V 04:48 TheZenKitteh night vanessae 04:48 kaeza Infinity_69, I have no idea what you are talking about 04:48 Oblivion1500 goof night! 04:48 Infinity_69 really? 04:48 Oblivion1500 good.. 04:48 Infinity_69 ok, let me simplify 04:48 Infinity_69 g'night VanessaE 04:48 Oblivion1500 http://lua.org/pil ? 04:49 Infinity_69 no! 04:49 Infinity_69 simple = "Im a player and i eat a loaf of toast, and want to hear a sound when i do." 04:49 Infinity_69 get it yet? 04:49 mauvebic add a sound on_use 04:50 Oblivion1500 http://lua-users.org/wiki/LearningLua ? 04:51 Infinity_69 oh, thanks mauvebic :) 04:51 Oblivion1500 you should just wait till the minetest site is back up so you can do your dev research 04:51 Infinity_69 so mauv... 04:51 Infinity_69 sound_on_use = raxfood.toast() 04:51 Infinity_69 ? 04:53 mauvebic i think your missing item_eat or something like that 04:53 Infinity_69 nope 04:53 Infinity_69 i did that 04:53 mauvebic theres no sound_on_use 04:53 Infinity_69 ??? 04:53 Infinity_69 you just said! 04:54 mauvebic i said on_use 04:54 Infinity_69 oh :D 04:54 Infinity_69 how? 04:54 Infinity_69 on_use = raxfood.toast() 04:54 Infinity_69 ? 04:54 mauvebic wheres its the same place your supposed to have put item_eat 04:54 Infinity_69 oh :D 04:54 mauvebic under item_eat you add a call to a sound 04:54 Infinity_69 ? 04:54 mauvebic which i dont know off the top of my head 04:55 mauvebic google minetest doc lua api 04:56 mauvebic or find a mod that makes noise when a tool is used, the code should be the same 04:57 Infinity_69 the second is better... 04:57 Infinity_69 any suggestions? 04:59 mauvebic :/ not off the top of my head lol 04:59 Infinity_69 ok :/ 04:59 mauvebic i woke up at 4pm and its 5c outside lol confusing day 05:00 jojoa1997 vanessae you there 05:00 Infinity_69 She got a feaver, yeah she got a feaver, yeah she got a feaver, oh she's thirsty... 05:00 Infinity_69 hi 05:00 Infinity_69 Lord, help us! 05:00 Infinity_69 :D 05:00 Infinity_69 Stophouse - Marilyn 05:01 Infinity_69 jojoa1997 my mod will soon have 0.1.0 05:01 Infinity_69 :D 05:01 Infinity_69 right now its 0.0.5 05:01 Infinity_69 havent tested it much :/ 05:01 Infinity_69 jojoa1997, Vanessae went to bed :/ 05:01 jojoa1997 what does it do 05:01 Infinity_69 adds food 05:01 Infinity_69 toast, half eaten toast etc... 05:01 Infinity_69 :D 05:01 Infinity_69 in 0.7.5 there will be PB&J 05:01 Infinity_69 :D 05:02 Infinity_69 mauvebic 05:02 Infinity_69 is there such a recipe yet? 05:03 mauvebic recipe for what? 05:03 Infinity_69 umm... 05:03 Infinity_69 wait 05:03 Infinity_69 gxg 05:03 Infinity_69 gxg 05:03 Infinity_69 ggg 05:03 Infinity_69 g= glass, x = nothing 05:03 Infinity_69 is there? 05:03 mauvebic no clue i quit on recipes long ago lol 05:04 Infinity_69 oh ok :/ 05:04 mauvebic crafting works for medieval stuff, the more complex the nodes get the less crafts make any sense lol 05:04 Infinity_69 brb... 05:06 jojoa1997 'good night 05:07 * jojoa1997 types good nigh "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............................................ 05:23 mauvebic finished! http://www.zimg.eu/i/2632589185 05:25 NakedFury do you have tilled dirt? 05:28 mauvebic aeroponics is by definition cultivation without dirt 05:28 mauvebic hence their practical use in space 05:28 mauvebic i got the idea from star trek lol 05:29 NakedFury voyager? 05:29 mauvebic i think they all had one? 05:29 mauvebic or an arboretum at least 05:29 NakedFury only saw voyager complete 05:32 mauvebic anyways im done working on the aero pack for this week, need to get back to the other modpack now lol 05:33 mauvebic im probly gonna split the destructive guns off from the terrain guns while im at it lol 05:34 NakedFury yes please, very dangerous 05:35 mauvebic even the terrain guns ive accidentally shot a few times lol might put some sort of safety on it 05:35 NakedFury a delay 05:36 NakedFury so you cant go crazy shooting like in an FPS game 05:36 mauvebic well no sometimes with the terrain gun on wield i mean to dig a node and bam, just destroyed half a building lol 05:36 mauvebic so i thought maybe double-click shooting 05:36 TheZenKitteh well im out for now 05:36 TheZenKitteh ta ta 05:55 kaeza what package do I need to use curl support on Ubuntu? 05:56 kaeza s/use/have/ 05:58 sema4 good evening/morning 06:00 kaeza mornings 06:01 sema4 hiya kaeza 06:01 kaeza sup? 06:01 sema4 wondering if it is possible to specify light direction on a light in minetest 06:01 sema4 rather than it lighting in all directions 06:02 kaeza I don't think so 06:02 sema4 boo 06:02 kaeza spotlights? :) 06:02 sema4 hmm 06:02 sema4 wait, it's there a spotlight mod 06:02 sema4 it's -> isn't 06:02 kaeza nope 06:02 kaeza no support from the engine 06:02 sema4 hah, ok 06:02 sema4 darn 06:02 mauvebic nbu has directional lighting 06:02 mauvebic lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xVrJ8DxECbg 06:03 kaeza wat 06:03 sema4 that link has nothing to do with directional lighting :P 06:03 mauvebic no i know i just thought it was funny lol 06:04 sema4 i had hoped it would have told me what nbu was 06:05 sema4 so uh.. what is nbu? :> 06:05 mauvebic sry i have to be off for an errand bbl 06:06 sema4 ok ttfn 06:06 kaeza mauvebic, epic 06:08 sema4 google not helping with nby 06:08 sema4 nbu 06:10 kaeza sema4, nodebox utility 06:10 kaeza == nbu 06:10 sema4 hmm 06:12 mauvebic no ciggies :( http://ompldr.org/vZ3F5Mw/mm2-game-121812.zip nbu and mbbase mods for spotlights 06:13 sema4 thanks mauvebic, i will check it out! 06:17 sema4 lights.register ? is that part of minetest proper? 06:19 mauvebic nope 06:20 mauvebic no other mod uses it anyhow 06:20 sema4 don't suppose you could give me a clue what to look for in here? :) 06:20 mauvebic what are you trying to do? 06:21 sema4 create a directional light 06:22 mauvebic you create an invisible block with the max light value and place those blocks 06:22 sema4 oh 06:22 sema4 i see 06:24 sema4 then place something else to block it on the appropriate sides 06:25 mauvebic what do you mean? 06:25 sema4 that won't work for me, because the side i want to block has to be a nodebox and due to the nodebox lighting bug the light will propogate 06:26 sema4 you said create an invisible block wiht max light value. but that is not direction by itself, you have to use something to block light in some directions 06:28 mauvebic theres no real directional lighting in game 06:29 sema4 oh i see, you were suggesting to simulate direction light by putting the invisible light block on the light target 06:30 mauvebic thats the simplest way 06:31 sema4 i suppose that would work 06:33 sema4 ok thanks for the input 06:38 sema4 bbl 06:40 kaeza night everyone. off to bed :) 06:41 OldCoder c u 06:41 kaeza o/ 06:56 marktraceur kaeza: Fucking poke me, youuuuuuu bastard 06:56 marktraceur Right, deop, drunk 06:56 TheZenKitteh .. you don't seem so drunk.. I can still understand you and im sober 06:58 TheZenKitteh plus you managed to deop yourself 06:58 TheZenKitteh lol 07:30 celeron55 VanessaE: minetest uses irrlicht's bitmap font rendering 07:31 celeron55 there are some tools for the format somewhere if needed 08:17 oblivion1500 I need help with Linux.. 08:18 oblivion1500 I hit the network on off switch and it disabled my internet but wont turn back on 08:18 mauvebic ill tell you what my ISP asks every time... 08:18 mauvebic is the modem plugged in? 08:18 mauvebic lol 08:20 oblivion1500 And when I go to install individual drivers I get this..... Fatal: module ndiswrapper not found 08:21 oblivion1500 And yes my modum is plugged in 08:21 mauvebic minetest isn't the best channel to troubleshoot your connection 08:21 mauvebic the distro forum isn't either, but its your best bet lol 08:22 oblivion1500 I've been getting a lot of help from people here more then that of anywhere else 08:23 oblivion1500 And i can't see who's online on this android app 08:24 mauvebic what did you do to your drivers exactly 08:25 oblivion1500 Nothing 08:25 oblivion1500 I just hit the wireless on off switch 08:26 mauvebic physical switch or the tray icon ? 08:27 mauvebic on a netbook? 08:27 oblivion1500 Like a touch button on the keyboard 08:27 oblivion1500 Yea 08:27 oblivion1500 Probook 08:28 mauvebic reboot 08:28 mauvebic if it still dont work you might have blown a circuit 08:28 oblivion1500 .... I did but I will do it again 08:28 mauvebic linux has scrapped the webcams on 3 netbooks ive had so far 08:28 mauvebic try a live distro 08:28 mauvebic if you have the same problem, hardware kaput 08:29 oblivion1500 What? Really? 08:30 mauvebic try booting a live distro and see what happens first 08:30 oblivion1500 Well i don't have another comp to use at the moment... 08:31 mauvebic how did you install linux in the first place? 08:31 oblivion1500 Uhm.... My witless works now 08:31 mauvebic you probably put it on sleep lol 08:31 oblivion1500 Hold on one sec 08:35 Oblivion1500 so yea i dont know what happened 08:36 mauvebic linux rarely gets physical buttons right on laptop 08:36 mauvebic it might have mistaken on/off for wifi sleep lol 08:36 Oblivion1500 how do i see that? 08:37 mauvebic dunno, these days i stay just informed enough to run my favorite shit and dont fuck around with anything else when it comes to linux lol 08:38 mauvebic screwing with linux when it works is sadistics 08:38 Ade96 Hello 08:38 mauvebic and probably accounts for the high rate of suicides among young developers lol 08:38 Oblivion1500 well im going to figure as much as i can about how linux works and why 08:39 mauvebic so thats two servings of politics and a side of tech 08:39 Oblivion1500 so i need to know the reason for every thing i do 08:39 Oblivion1500 also i restarted and wireless didnt work,,, i shut down and started back up and it worked 08:40 mauvebic restart probably saved the state, whereas shutdown reset it 08:41 Oblivion1500 hmm 08:42 Oblivion1500 well thanks for your help, it was pissing me off... also i have a program that i put a command in LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin/kvirc 08:43 Oblivion1500 to run off desktop 08:43 Oblivion1500 but when i restarted it didnt work 08:43 Oblivion1500 why would that path change? 08:43 Oblivion1500 i mean im using it now 08:43 mauvebic well its probably like storing things in /tmp , dont expect it to be there on restart lol 08:43 Oblivion1500 i had to go into my term and just type the name so thats what im going to change the command to but still 08:46 mauvebic i can only guess lol 08:50 Oblivion1500 well thanks for your help 08:50 mauvebic oh i didnt help much :p 08:50 Oblivion1500 well i may not have hard shut down and restart if you dint tell me to restart lol 08:51 mauvebic http://cheezburger.com/6959801344 08:52 Oblivion1500 lol 08:53 mauvebic thats me troubleshooting arch lol 08:54 mauvebic these days though reinstalling from a new image is shorter than actual troublehsooting 08:54 Oblivion1500 well i need to buy myself a thumb drive and just keep it around as a live distro for the sake of things 08:54 mauvebic some of my bug reports for other software is going on 2 years active lol 08:55 mauvebic yeah you should always keep one jump drive with a live distro on it just in case 08:56 ruskie I tend to just keep a system with working USB around that I can do it 08:56 mauvebic if i look long enough i can prolly find my ubuntu 6.04 CD's lol 08:57 mauvebic back when ubuntu was competent lol 08:58 ruskie I don't have any optical media anymore 09:00 mauvebic i still holdon to drives 09:00 mauvebic i just dont bother with TVs/DVD players / BR players anymore 09:35 ruskie mauvebic, I have some drives but they aren't connected anywhere... only use them if/when I buy an audio cd 09:36 mauvebic meh, with the streaming internet radio, and the real radio stations streaming too, not so much use for music cds 09:37 mauvebic bandwidth is cheaper than 30$/cd lol 10:04 ruskie depends on the quality 10:04 ruskie also if you can find the music you want 10:37 celeron55 http://imgur.com/gallery/37G8f 10:37 celeron55 in case you're lacking random today 10:40 ruskie randmoness!!! 10:49 Oblivion1500 thanks celeron55 i needed that 12:25 NekoGloop WELL ARENT YOU ALL AN ENERGETIC BUNCH THIS FINE MORNING 12:25 NekoGloop :3 12:57 webdesigner97 hi 13:43 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 13:47 markveidemanis Hi! 13:48 markveidemanis I want to open a Lua file withiout minetest 13:49 Infinity_69 you mean edit it? 13:49 Infinity_69 right-click it and pick EDIT [Windows] or Open With GEdit [ubuntu] 13:49 markveidemanis No, run it 13:49 markveidemanis With standard lua 13:49 Infinity_69 umm...you cant, i think :/ 13:50 Infinity_69 hey mark 13:50 Infinity_69 do the italian text :D 13:50 markveidemanis Huh? 13:50 PilzAdam you cant run the Minetest scripts because the minetest table would be nil 13:50 Infinity_69 mark 13:50 PilzAdam so minetest.register_node() or similiar will give an error 13:50 Infinity_69 Its'a me'a, Mario! 13:50 markveidemanis NOt minetest scripts... 13:50 Infinity_69 oh :D 13:50 markveidemanis i hate caps 13:50 Infinity_69 then idk 13:51 PilzAdam ok, then just type "lua your_script.lua" in the terminal 13:51 markveidemanis I know in Linux its the command line. 13:51 markveidemanis Yep 13:51 markveidemanis On windows? 13:51 PilzAdam dunno 13:51 Infinity_69 like that 13:51 PilzAdam go to lua.org or google it 13:52 PilzAdam but dont ask such offtopic questions here again 13:52 markveidemanis http://www.lua.org/download.html 13:52 markveidemanis But minetest is made in Lua! 13:53 PilzAdam wrong 13:53 markveidemanis C++ 13:53 markveidemanis With Lua mixed in! 13:53 PilzAdam not "mixed in" 13:53 markveidemanis Integrated 13:54 celeron55 lua is compiled into minetest and it only uses it for... well, the thing it does; you can download or compile the sole lua interpreter if you want 13:54 celeron55 (i do have it, installed just by pacman -S lua) 13:54 markveidemanis pacman? 13:54 markveidemanis Linux? 13:55 celeron55 if you're programming on windows, that's your problem 8) 13:55 markveidemanis Well, this is not my comp 13:55 markveidemanis I agree that windows is **** 13:56 celeron55 http://code.google.com/p/luaforwindows/downloads/list 13:56 celeron55 that should be useufl 13:56 celeron55 useful* 13:56 celeron55 http://code.google.com/p/luaforwindows/ 13:56 celeron55 it contains a crapton of lua libraries too 13:56 markveidemanis I can't download anything atm 13:57 celeron55 well then you can use this for experimenting: http://www.lua.org/demo.html 13:58 markveidemanis I Go Now. 13:58 markveidemanis .quit 13:58 markveidemanis arrggh 14:25 VanessaE morning all. 14:26 Infinity_69 achdung 14:26 Infinity_69 :D 14:27 Infinity_69 did i spell it right? 14:27 Infinity_69 achdung... 14:27 Infinity_69 attention... 14:27 Infinity_69 :D 14:27 VanessaE I believe it is achtung 14:27 Infinity_69 oh :D 14:27 Infinity_69 well im not german, so fuck it >:/ 14:27 Infinity_69 good enought :D 14:28 Infinity_69 bye 14:30 PilzAdam damn you GitHub! Let me push to my repo! 14:31 * jojoa1997 viruses githun 14:31 VanessaE celeron55: fat lotta good those tools do if the only one I can find runs only on WinXP (and not even under WINE). 14:31 PilzAdam https://github.com/contact gives me a unicorn! lol 14:31 jojoa1997 *github 14:37 KikaRz http://www.worldometers.info/ 14:37 KikaRz This is GIANT... 14:39 jojoa1997 WOW 14:43 NakedFury every counter keeps rising except books published 14:48 * jojoa1997 signal test 14:49 Kacey alright i have a couple hours almost 14:52 Kacey st5upid XChat 14:52 Kacey phail 14:52 jojoa1997 how is the black hole coming 14:53 Kacey starting it now 14:53 Kacey can you look up the spawning for a sphere 14:56 Kacey im thinking just go with a black hole now k? 14:57 jojoa1997_ make the black hole a model so it can spin 14:58 KikaRz NakedFury, nobody cares about books... 14:58 KikaRz Now we have EBooks 14:58 NakedFury books are evil they harm nature 14:58 jojoa1997 hardcopies are tue best 14:58 jojoa1997 the 14:59 * jojoa1997 signal test 14:59 Kacey no models 15:00 Kacey i cannot use blender 15:00 jojoa1997 ok 15:00 jojoa1997 what about animated nodes 15:00 Kacey just a medium sphere 15:01 Kacey maybe later but for now just a black hole that sucks nodes and players in 15:01 RealBadAngel hi all 15:01 Kacey hello 15:01 RealBadAngel wassup? 15:01 Kacey making a mod 15:02 jojoa1997 Kacey yep that is Good 15:02 Kacey alright 15:02 jojoa1997 it can be used as a teleporter to 15:03 RealBadAngel what mod? 15:03 jojoa1997 black hole 15:03 Kacey maybe teleport later 15:03 Kacey once white hole is put in 15:04 jojoa1997 yay 15:04 Kacey walkable = false so they can go through it 15:04 jojoa1997 gtg will check in later 15:05 Kacey k 15:06 Kacey i must go also 15:07 Exio hey RealBadAngel 15:07 RealBadAngel hi 15:09 VanessaE well I give up. 15:10 VanessaE both irrlicht and the web give me a big "fuck you" to the idea of creating a decent, readable font for MT. 15:19 RealBadAngel VanessaE, you know, if in the start it wont work, you have to try try try 15:21 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/kahrl/irrtum 15:21 VanessaE RealBadAngel: the only tools that run at all only run in windows and either don't create the old format that MT uses or they just don't run at all in Wine.. 15:22 RealBadAngel so throw away old formats 15:22 VanessaE RealBadAngel: a truetype patch for MT has existed for months now. 15:22 VanessaE and has yet to be merged and put into use 15:22 RealBadAngel PilzAdam? 15:22 PilzAdam because it has bugs 15:22 PilzAdam many bugs 15:23 RealBadAngel so fix it :) 15:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, seen the converter I linked? 15:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: trying it now. 15:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: ah, that seems to work 15:25 * PilzAdam sees the "Change font" pull request comming,,, 15:25 PilzAdam *... 15:25 RealBadAngel hallelujah! 15:25 celeron55 http://www.brankovukelic.com/2013/01/on-state-of-windows-on-desktop.html 15:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: nope, I just need something compatible with my poor eyesight. 15:26 RealBadAngel hi celeron55 15:27 RealBadAngel celeron55, ive designed replacement for default trees. http://realbadangel.pl/oldvsnew.png do you like them? 15:30 celeron55 fine enough i guess - i'd maybe recommend making them as random as possible while maintaining the size and that you can usually walk under them 15:31 celeron55 also, does your tree generator support controlled speudorandom? 15:31 celeron55 pseudo* 15:33 celeron55 iirc the current one does not, but adding a seed as a parameter that could either be a random number or a position-dependent pseudorandom number made by anything which wants some kind of predictability should be possible 15:36 celeron55 (so it would create the exact same tree for the exact same seed) 15:39 RealBadAngel it doesnt use seeds. just pure random 15:40 RealBadAngel but i can control size easily 15:40 RealBadAngel i can define what parts of the trees shall be fixed, what random 15:42 RealBadAngel for example i can draw trunks with F command (100%) and add several pieces with random codition "f" 15:43 RealBadAngel so, can define minimum and maximum for the trunk size 15:43 KikaRz Away* 15:43 KikaRz Physical education... 15:44 RealBadAngel FFFFfff is a trunk of minimum 4 and maximum 7 height 15:45 RealBadAngel in fact im using there two extra rules i added 15:46 RealBadAngel capital letter for rule means it will be included with 100% chance 15:46 RealBadAngel others have different propabilities, a=90, b=80,c=70, d=60% 15:48 RealBadAngel i used to have on rule C twist of the trunks/branches, and on D trunk itself 15:48 RealBadAngel and adding to axioms cccdddd for example 15:48 RealBadAngel 3 possible twists, and four possible trunk/branch extensions 15:50 RealBadAngel axiom="FFccc&FFFFFdddFA//A//A//A//A//A", 15:50 RealBadAngel like here in palm tree axiom 15:52 RealBadAngel to the point, its almost impossible for treegen to generate two same lookin trees 15:53 RealBadAngel they can look like the kind 15:54 RealBadAngel but will never be the same 15:54 PilzAdam why not pass a seed to generate_tree() and use pseudorandom in the function? 15:54 RealBadAngel ask trees and plants IRL why each one is different :) 15:55 PilzAdam its just for the mapgen to create exactly the same map each time 15:55 RealBadAngel the system is made on purpose to generate randomly lookin creations 15:56 RealBadAngel not feeded by seeds 15:56 PilzAdam the generator should create the same map with a fixed seed, trees shouldnt be an exception 15:56 RealBadAngel tree is not a map 15:57 RealBadAngel tree is a plant 15:57 PilzAdam but its part of the map 15:57 RealBadAngel rotfl 15:57 RealBadAngel plant a tree in your garden 15:57 ruskie maybe have two modes? one that is predictable and another that isn't? 15:58 RealBadAngel and ask it to grow how you would like to 15:58 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: the tree is a part of the map 15:58 PilzAdam I am talking about the map generator and not realtime creations 15:58 RealBadAngel but is a plant 15:58 RealBadAngel and those are not predicteable 15:58 iqualfragile its generated on map-generation 15:58 PilzAdam in Minetest they are 15:58 PilzAdam *they should 15:58 iqualfragile the map is a geological landscape, its not predictable 15:58 RealBadAngel they shouldnt 15:58 RealBadAngel in ANY case 15:59 celeron55 RealBadAngel: when a planted tree grows, it should use uncontrolled random 15:59 iqualfragile its influenced by chaotic processes 15:59 Exio they should with the same seed 15:59 iqualfragile yeah 15:59 iqualfragile but on mapgen they should be reproduceable 15:59 RealBadAngel trees? 15:59 iqualfragile and thats not that much work 15:59 RealBadAngel no way 15:59 celeron55 but when a tree is put on a generated map, it should be always the same at the same spot, and the map generator can create a random number at a position that is always the same at the same position 15:59 RealBadAngel veto 16:00 RealBadAngel it can generate on the very same spot 16:00 RealBadAngel but definitely wont be lookin the same 16:00 PilzAdam if you type in a fixed seed you want exactly the same map and not the same landscape with different trees 16:01 celeron55 i have seen this discussions before - this will end up me calling you to stop being stupid and you quitting for a while 8) 16:01 PilzAdam you also get same ores, same junglegrass, same caves 16:01 RealBadAngel i wont do that because its AGAINST whole the idea of L-system trees 16:01 PilzAdam why not same trees? 16:01 celeron55 anyway, i don't really care; it's just that there is no reason not to do it 16:02 RealBadAngel theres not any reason to do it 16:02 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: lets see it from a technical pov: when the same seed generates exactly the same landscape you can just save the diffs (lateron) 16:02 iqualfragile thats an awsome compression 16:02 PilzAdam we have listed reasons for the last 5 minutes 16:02 celeron55 altough, there *is* a reason to do it, if the mapgen is ever going to be used in such a way that nonmodified parts of the world will not be saved 16:02 celeron55 then the same part must be generated *exactly* the same every time 16:02 iqualfragile celeron55: high5 16:03 RealBadAngel hola guys 16:03 celeron55 including trees and everything 16:03 RealBadAngel are default trees usin seeds? 16:03 PilzAdam currently not 16:03 celeron55 no, because somebody has been lazy 16:03 RealBadAngel so whats the talkin 16:03 celeron55 does minetest currently use L-system trees? no, so what's the talkin' 16:03 celeron55 let's not use them 8) 16:04 RealBadAngel hehehe 16:04 celeron55 the only right answer you can give is "i am too lazy, we'll do it some day if necessary" 16:04 RealBadAngel im tryin to tell ya its IMPOSSIBLE for L-systems to generate two exact same trees 16:04 iqualfragile can someone please remove the comented-out parts from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen.cpp thats what vcs are for 16:04 celeron55 RealBadAngel: you're very wrong 16:04 RealBadAngel never was and never will 16:04 celeron55 RealBadAngel: see how the dungeon generator works 16:05 RealBadAngel are dungeon using l-systems? 16:05 celeron55 it's somewhat similar to an L-system random-wise, and it is perfectly predictable 16:05 celeron55 you can find a current working version of it here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/jungleanddungeons 16:05 RealBadAngel youre all tryin now to make nature predictable 16:06 PilzAdam iqualfragile, it would somewhat look like this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/blob/flat/src/mapgen.cpp 16:06 RealBadAngel which is nonsense 16:06 VanessaE ok apparently MT also uses not just the red/yellow dots but one of the chars in the font to establish "where" the font starts. Which character 16:06 VanessaE ? 16:06 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: thats what the seed is there for 16:06 PilzAdam MT doesnt have nature built in currently 16:07 iqualfragile think of it as a multiverse, identified by an u64 16:07 RealBadAngel thats why those trees lookin so good 16:07 RealBadAngel they are unpredicteable 16:08 celeron55 VanessaE: did you see my answer? 16:08 celeron55 VanessaE: go shout at irrlicht, and use their documentation 16:08 celeron55 VanessaE: the font isn't some mystical thing, it's irrlicht standard bitmap font with tools available 16:08 RealBadAngel if you dont like l-systems just revert my commits 16:08 VanessaE celeron55: pilzadam pointed me to a tool that works. 16:08 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: im just looking at treegen.cpp, im shure that we will find a way to make your trees look good AND predictable 16:08 RealBadAngel and have those predicteable sticks with some green on it 16:09 celeron55 they're not predictable, but could be made exactly like L-system trees could 8) 16:09 RealBadAngel i WONT aply any seed stuff on them. NEVER 16:09 iqualfragile wrong intonation, i guess 16:09 iqualfragile I wont aply any seed stuff on them. NEVER 16:09 PilzAdam I assume the trees use random() ATM? 16:09 PilzAdam so they DO use a seed, you just dont notice 16:11 RealBadAngel if they do, then its my mistake 16:11 iqualfragile they use myrand_range( 16:11 RealBadAngel not intended 16:11 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: i think you missunderstand the concept of a seed 16:12 iqualfragile there will not be 10000 times the same tree on a map 16:12 RealBadAngel i clearly see, you want two very same trees with given map seed 16:12 iqualfragile yep 16:12 iqualfragile on the same prosition 16:12 RealBadAngel no way 16:12 iqualfragile so that diff map1 map2 16:12 Exio only in generation * 16:12 iqualfragile > empty 16:12 iqualfragile but why? 16:13 RealBadAngel cut the tree, plant another on the very same pos 16:13 PilzAdam in-game they will have a random seed 16:13 RealBadAngel you will get another tree 16:13 PilzAdam it only in mapgen 16:13 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: thats no problem 16:13 RealBadAngel so why the heck forcing two same on generation? 16:14 PilzAdam because the mapgenerator is supposed to create the same map each time (with same seed) 16:14 RealBadAngel i think such change would mean trash all the random stuff ive put there 16:14 PilzAdam and the thing c55 mentioned: if only the changed nodes will be saved, it has to be the same 16:15 iqualfragile why would it trash the random stuff? 16:15 iqualfragile in every single world there would be a (fuckload) of different trees 16:16 RealBadAngel because pure random is one of the pillars of l-systems 16:16 PilzAdam just pass a sed to the function, and use the PseudoRandom(seed) that MT already has 16:16 PilzAdam and for Lua interface use: treegen(seed=random()) 16:16 VanessaE aw screw it. remove all trees from the map, put them in my moretrees mod, and make that mod part of the default game. :-) 16:17 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: show me pure randomness on a windows computer and i show you the cure to cancer and aids 16:17 iqualfragile (hint: i dont have the cure to cancer) 16:17 RealBadAngel take a stick and plant some trees :P 16:18 RealBadAngel if you will find 2 very same i owe you a good whiskey :P 16:18 iqualfragile thats right, absulutely 16:18 iqualfragile but: 16:19 iqualfragile take two universes 16:19 PilzAdam check 16:19 iqualfragile make them exaclty the same, let them explode 16:19 PilzAdam ...check 16:19 iqualfragile wait a litle while 16:19 PilzAdam ........................check 16:19 iqualfragile see that in both universes a litle blue planet is born 16:19 PilzAdam check 16:20 iqualfragile an on both universes RealBadAngel has got to buy me a good whiskey 16:20 RealBadAngel and on (996,10,-267) both have very same tree 16:20 iqualfragile thats exactly the difference between mapgen and ingame 16:20 RealBadAngel HALLELUJAH! 16:20 RealBadAngel praise the lord! 16:21 iqualfragile there is no lord 16:21 RealBadAngel yup, theres a seed 16:22 kaeza hey all 16:22 iqualfragile did i convince you? 16:22 iqualfragile hi kaeza 16:22 RealBadAngel almighty seed 16:22 jojoa1997 hi 16:22 iqualfragile … i take that as a yes 16:22 RealBadAngel nature used to show a finger to such ideas ;) 16:22 Exio hey kaeza 16:22 PilzAdam thats the way the MT mapgen works, almighty seed 16:22 sokomine the windows computer might have a cpu with a special command for random data. i don't remember how good that static was as a random generator and i have no idea if windows can access it or if it can actually be bought somewhere 16:23 iqualfragile PilzAdam: you should start using neo it has those badasses: … 16:23 iqualfragile sokomine: … srsly? 16:23 kaeza sup Exio? 16:23 iqualfragile i mean like SRSLY? 16:23 sokomine yes, i read a newsticker article about such a hardware implementation once. it was reading some sensor data which was close enough to white noise iirc 16:23 Exio just reading a fight 16:23 PilzAdam iqualfragile, you mean neo the keyboard layout? 16:24 iqualfragile yes 16:24 iqualfragile "…" one char 16:24 sokomine good to hear that the trees are further progressing 16:24 PilzAdam AltGr + . on qwertz ;-) 16:24 PilzAdam … 16:24 iqualfragile hmm… thats an unknown character for me 16:24 RealBadAngel by now i can say only one thing. if my_rand was supposed to be feeded with seed, i shall implement something real random there. howgh 16:24 kaeza "·" on qwerty 16:24 iqualfragile but its so uncomfortable 16:25 RealBadAngel now goin to cook somethin. with a seed (recipe) 16:25 iqualfragile its just ä+q on neo2 16:25 iqualfragile (using a qwertz keyboard here) 16:25 sokomine you have to distribute the result of your cookings here so that we can comment on how random it was :)) (and get something to eat at the same time :)) 16:26 RealBadAngel be back in 30-45 minutes 16:26 PilzAdam c u 16:26 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: myrand is verry simple: 16:26 iqualfragile next = next * 1103515245 + 12345; 16:26 iqualfragile return((unsigned)(next/65536) % 32768); 16:27 iqualfragile and the initial value of "next" is the seed 16:27 iqualfragile done 16:27 RealBadAngel my bad, will never use such primitive again 16:27 iqualfragile usualy the system-time is used 16:27 iqualfragile random() works quite simialr 16:27 FreeFull "�" Guys, UTF-8 please 16:27 iqualfragile ………………⃗↑↕→:↔⇌↕⃗↕↑↕⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗✔✘♦♠♦♥‣ 16:28 FreeFull iqualfragile: Yeah, that displays fine 16:28 FreeFull But PilzAdam's and kaeza's didn't 16:28 jojoa1997 how do you do those on a qwerty keyboard 16:28 iqualfragile ok 16:28 kaeza ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → A B Start 16:28 FreeFull I can do ♥ using compose 16:28 iqualfragile jojoa1997: you switch to neo2 if you are german 16:28 FreeFull kaeza: B A 16:28 jojoa1997 im american 16:28 FreeFull ¤_¤ 16:28 iqualfragile thats sad to hear 16:28 jojoa1997 why 16:28 Exio american? 16:29 iqualfragile best utf-character ever:⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗ 16:29 RealBadAngel america? wheres that? 16:29 jojoa1997 United States of America 16:29 Jeija What continent?? 16:30 RealBadAngel i watched street-show where one were askin american where and what europe is 16:30 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: its a continet wich was conquered by spanish people 16:30 jojoa1997 North_america 16:30 RealBadAngel most of them had no glue 16:30 iqualfragile i dont have glue either 16:30 Exio jojoa1997: America*, and evn 16:30 PilzAdam My english teacher really thinks that there is only one contintent called america, and not north and south amercia :D 16:30 jojoa1997 what americans have no glue 16:30 Exio even in north america you aren't no alone 16:30 iqualfragile all armericans are glueless 16:31 jojoa1997 i am not :-) 16:31 kaeza armerica!! 16:31 kaeza urnited srtates of armerica 16:31 iqualfragile FreeFull: τρντχωκλεχβσνοσϕφυ? 16:31 jojoa1997 iam the one of the fifty who have a clue 16:31 Exio you have mexico, canada, and then central america and south america 16:31 jojoa1997 maxico is central america 16:31 jojoa1997 i think 16:31 iqualfragile ah, ok thats that "new" continent, isnt it? 16:32 kaeza don't forget groenland 16:32 iqualfragile the spanish discovered it some time ago 16:32 FreeFull iqualfragile: I don't speak greek 16:32 jojoa1997 and the sliver of antartica 16:32 iqualfragile didnt they? 16:32 Exio and the antartica is in the north, no? 16:32 iqualfragile did it work out? 16:32 jojoa1997 artic is north antartica south 16:32 jojoa1997 go study http://www.mapsofworld.com 16:33 iqualfragile are there still people over there, that far away from civilisation 16:33 Jeija http://bit.ly/WGJCPK Now tell me where the hell usa is? 16:33 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE 16:33 Exio hahahahahahaha 16:33 RealBadAngel watch this 16:33 kaeza iqualfragile, if g*d's minetest server did not lag so much, america could have been conquered earlier 16:34 kaeza the chunks were not loading :) 16:35 jojoa1997 it is the orange on the top left http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&tbo=d&rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS504US504&biw=600&bih=904&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=USA+compared+to+world&oq=USA+compared+to+world&gs_l=img.3...10834.15394.0.15499.18.14.0.4.0.0.218.1725.5j7j2.14.0...0.0...1ac.1.cpNX7YizkTA#biv=i|32;d|BgbA2Qh6SgSFoM: 16:35 iqualfragile damn, 4 16:35 jojoa1997 and also the little part of of canada 16:35 jojoa1997 and a island chain in the pacific 16:35 iqualfragile jojoa1997: you are aware that goole shows different results to different people 16:35 iqualfragile you and your colony will get some results wich makes it seem big 16:36 jojoa1997 My colony? 16:36 jojoa1997 IT is like the third biggest in the world 16:36 sokomine kaeza: :-) 16:36 Exio iqualfragile: he got an "USA is bigger than Mars!" 16:36 Exio or something like it 16:37 jojoa1997 What do you mean by that 16:37 iqualfragile ühm… ok 16:37 iqualfragile jojoa1997: how many sides does an triange have? 16:37 jojoa1997 3 16:37 jojoa1997 tetrahedral 4 16:37 jojoa1997 pentagon 5 16:38 jojoa1997 ungon 11 16:38 jojoa1997 nongon 9 16:38 Zetetic *tetrahedron 16:38 Zetetic *nonagon 16:38 jojoa1997 tetrahedral is chemistry 16:38 jojoa1997 i am using tablet hard to type 16:38 Zetetic it looked like you were talking about polytopes 16:38 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE 16:38 Zetetic Always a pain :/ 16:38 Exio tell me how many continents are in earth 16:39 Exio hint: it is a number! 16:39 jojoa1997_ sorry i left all of a sudden 16:39 jojoa1997_ closed out i mean 16:39 NakedFury pentahedronondral has many sides 16:39 Exio [13:38:59] tell me how many continents are in earth 16:39 Exio [13:39:12] hint: it is a number! 16:39 jojoa1997_ 7 16:39 Zetetic Hmm, Eurasia, North America, South America, Africa(is that more than one?), India, Antarctica, Oceana 16:39 Zetetic About seven 16:39 RealBadAngel name the country startin with "U"... ummm i dont know? what about United States of America? 16:40 RealBadAngel rotfl 16:40 VanessaE can someone tell me where in the game the lucida font is being used versus the dejavu font? 16:40 jojoa1997_ what is you r brain black hole 16:40 NakedFury uruguay 16:40 Jordach ffs 16:40 kaeza VanessaE, guiFont.cpp 16:40 Jordach can we PLEASE get back on topic 16:40 jojoa1997_ k 16:40 VanessaE thanks 16:40 RealBadAngel watch the film and answers 16:40 jojoa1997_ hi VanessaE 16:40 iqualfragile how many kidneys does a human have? 16:40 jojoa1997_ 2 16:40 iqualfragile one! 16:40 RealBadAngel that is braindead what americans have to say 16:40 NakedFury I thought all this conversation would lead back to minetest and land generation 16:40 Jordach 4, im a time lord 16:41 Jordach :P 16:41 Jordach oh pleas 16:41 Jordach please* 16:41 Exio Zetetic: wth, India is a continent? 16:41 VanessaE kaeza: maybe not, I don't see that file among the sources 16:41 iqualfragile Jordach: do they have duplicates of all their interiour organns? 16:41 Jordach possibly 16:41 jojoa1997_ so what were yall talking about mapgen 16:41 kaeza VanessaE, my bad, guiChatConsole.cpp 16:41 Exio and every North/Central/South America is 'one' 16:41 Zetetic Exio: geologically 16:41 VanessaE ah, ok 16:42 jojoa1997_ ?.? 16:42 Zetetic There are bunch of other ones underwater I think too 16:42 jojoa1997_ no 16:42 kaeza VanessaE, lines 93 and 1331 16:42 jojoa1997_ nvm im confused 16:42 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE#t=271s oh dear it pains 16:43 jojoa1997_ that is but a few stupid people they added after asking more than a thousand 16:43 jojoa1997_ or paid actors 16:43 Zetetic I doubt it's paid actors, it's not hard to find ignorant people anywhere 16:44 jojoa1997_ GOLDFISH 16:44 Exio it is really easy Zetetic 16:44 * jojoa1997_ nom nom nom 16:44 Hi-jera_WingFox hi 16:44 kaeza hey 16:44 jojoa1997 hi 16:45 Hi-jera_WingFox is there anyway to play minetest through proxy ? 16:45 Hi-jera_WingFox *any way 16:45 jojoa1997 whats proxy 16:46 * jojoa1997 signal test 16:47 jojoa1997 so................ 16:48 jojoa1997 wrong channel 16:48 Hi-jera_WingFox http proxy i think 16:48 Hi-jera_WingFox or not... 16:48 Hi-jera_WingFox i need to ask someone :) 16:48 VanessaE there, now my damn fonts are readable. 16:48 iqualfragile Hi-jera_WingFox: what do you want to acomplish? 16:48 VanessaE :) 16:48 jojoa1997 there are others here but they are SILENT 16:49 jojoa1997 or not 16:49 kaeza VanessaE, screenie? 16:50 VanessaE kaeza: sure, sec. 16:51 jojoa1997 one sec over ;-) 16:51 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001142013%20-%2011:51:14%20AM.png 16:51 VanessaE can't do much about the line of text at the bottom though, I guess that's being positioned by the engine. 16:51 jojoa1997 what that screenie of 16:51 Kacey jojoa1997? 16:52 jojoa1997 Kacey KikaRz hi 16:52 Kacey hi 16:52 jojoa1997 yeah 16:52 VanessaE jojoa1997: Unified Inventory on my server.. just playing with the fonts to try to improve readability on my screen. nothing fancy 16:52 jojoa1997 oh ok 16:52 jojoa1997 Kacey dont have much time what is it 16:52 kaeza VanessaE, it looks waaaaaay nicer :) 16:52 Kacey haha not very far into the mod 16:53 Kacey minetest.register_node("holes:black", { 16:53 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/fontdejavusansmono.png 16:53 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/fontlucida.png 16:53 Kacey thats about as far in as i am 16:53 jojoa1997 Kacey gtg send me a pm on forums 16:53 VanessaE the two font files (both are dejavu actually). put them in .minetest/textures/all 16:54 jojoa1997 oh then i might make it send me pm of what you want in it 16:54 Kacey naw ill work on it tonight when i get home 16:54 KikaRz STUPID INTERNET ISP! 16:54 jojoa1997 cya 16:54 kaeza KikaRz, \o/ 16:54 Kacey school going to start soon so not much time either 16:54 kaeza problems agan? 16:54 kaeza again even 16:55 Kacey kaeza : Slenderman es un hombre alto haha 16:55 Hi-jera_WingFox iqualfragile, my friend is away for now.. i'll tell you later 16:55 kaeza VanessaE, how about opening a font thread on the texture packs forum? 16:56 VanessaE I'm about to. 16:56 kaeza nice ^_^ 16:59 rubenwardy Is there a higher quality version of this: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/File:Welcome.png 17:00 VanessaE kaeza: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436 17:01 kaeza excellent 17:02 VanessaE there, with the image visible now. 17:02 rubenwardy Is there a higher quality version of this: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/File:Welcome.png , Calinou? 17:03 Hi-jera_WingFox iqualfragile, he's trying to play minetest from work where he has UserGate software 17:03 iqualfragile Hi-jera_WingFox: you are not allowed to play minetest from work, dont do so 17:06 kaeza VanessaE, much better readability, and that black contour makes them visible even on white backgound. 17:06 VanessaE exACTly 17:14 kaeza interesting... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_973673402.jpg 17:14 VanessaE ? 17:14 kaeza a tree in the middle of a desert 17:15 * rubenwardy is making Minetest t-shirts 17:16 kaeza thanks mapgen! that is very realistic indeed! :P 17:17 Obiewan1111 Is there a way for me to change a few things to make it so on creative it's 1-hit to destroy a block? 17:17 kaeza yes 17:18 sokomine anyone intrested in how minecraft classic maps can look like in minetest? 17:18 Obiewan1111 Tell me kaeza! :D 17:18 sokomine with shaders enabled i got the same slow speed in minetest as in mc classic. with them disabled, the grapics didn't look any worse - but it was the faster minetest speed again :-) 17:19 kaeza you asked if there was a way. not WHAT was the way. :P 17:19 sokomine maybe through groups? or just giving the player an admin pickaxe? 17:19 kaeza I think you should modifying item groups from a mod 17:20 kaeza s/ing/ 17:20 kaeza +/ 17:20 sokomine yes, that might work as well. but maybe a special pick is more practical for most purposes 17:21 kaeza Obiewan1111, why not use admin pickaxe? 17:21 VanessaE admin pick ftw 17:21 Obiewan1111 Because that wastes space? If there is a way, please explain it. 17:21 Obiewan1111 It would make my videoing much easier. 17:21 Exio can't you break every block in a very short 'time'? 17:21 VanessaE Obiewan1111: well, current creative mode can cut down almost all objects in like half a second now 17:22 VanessaE even by hand 17:22 rubenwardy A bit small... http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75700118/dungeon-master_tshirt 17:22 Obiewan1111 Is there a way to make it instant no matter what tool/item? 17:23 Exio you can use a 'one click mod' i saw a .. long ago, but it is just a on dig remove node 17:23 Exio i'll try to get it sec 17:23 Obiewan1111 Alright. 17:24 kaeza rubenwardy, the DM is not very appealing to children (which I think is the main audience) 17:24 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1307 17:25 kaeza the new 3d model would be better 17:25 kaeza player model* 17:25 jojoa1997 what does it look like 17:26 Obiewan1111 Exio, that download link is broken. 17:26 Obiewan1111 But thanks anyway. 17:26 Exio gr 17:26 Exio iirc i have a old copy of it somewhere 17:27 Obiewan1111 Some convert the Sphax texture pack, I am in love with it. :D 17:27 Obiewan1111 http://bdcraft.net/sphax-purebdcraft-texturepack 17:30 rubenwardy kaeza: what would be better? 17:30 Exio :D 17:31 NakedFury obiewan I tried but since MC uses grey grass and leaves I have a hard time coloring it 17:33 NakedFury after the patch MC is gonna use same texturing system that we have so bringing the packs is gonna be easier 17:34 Exio lol 17:34 Obiewan1111 xD 17:34 Obiewan1111 Meh.. I just seriously love that tp. 17:35 Obiewan1111 And after watching all of the Yogscast's Tekkit vids, it gets in your head. 17:35 Exio i just haz an init.lua in my oneclick http://cadoth.net/~exio4/mt/oneclick.lua *as init.lua* :P 17:35 Exio i removed the /oneclick stuff 17:35 NakedFury I use it too but unless MT adopts the MC coloring system I wont be able to bring it. I like spahx tp 17:35 Obiewan1111 Alright. Thanks. 17:37 rubenwardy Updated: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&number=769746495 17:38 jojoa1997 I like how you made it look like it was on sale. XD 17:38 jojoa1997 and it just came out 17:38 rubenwardy it is on sale 17:39 RealBadAngel NakedFury, you can make this based on temp bias 17:39 jojoa1997 price time range 17:39 NakedFury temp bias? 17:39 jojoa1997 0 min $30 10 sec SALE! $20 17:39 RealBadAngel temperature bias 17:39 RealBadAngel perlin noise 17:40 PilzAdam particles are now upstream 17:41 Obiewan1111 Is there a way to make it so in creative mode the blocks are infinite? Rather than 99. 17:41 Exio they are infinite 17:41 RealBadAngel does those particles use seeds? 17:41 Exio actually 17:42 Obiewan1111 They aren't? 17:42 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, yes, they use a random function that is based on a seed (the one in math.h i guess) 17:42 Exio well, the last git + minetest_game 17:43 PilzAdam they arent infinite in 0.4.4 17:43 Exio oh, it is something new in git? 17:44 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, so every time you launch a game wih one seed you can see exactly same particles when hit dirt on the corner? 17:44 RealBadAngel sad :P 17:44 PilzAdam no, because the game uses the time as seed 17:44 PilzAdam (I guess) 17:45 jojoa1997 \o/ i am 18th in # of forum posts 17:46 Exio quantity or quality? 17:46 rubenwardy #19 for me 17:46 * PilzAdam is #6 17:46 rubenwardy I was #12 17:46 NakedFury I sometimes post but most of the time just lurk 17:47 * jojoa1997 went from 36 to 19 in 6 hours 17:47 jojoa1997 mean 18 17:47 rubenwardy jojoa1997 must be at #18 because he asks lots of questions. He registered at 13-Dec-2012 17:48 jojoa1997 I am very active 17:48 rubenwardy Me, i am at #19, and I registered at 2012-06-12 17:48 rubenwardy (12 june, 2012) 17:48 jojoa1997 i ask/give thoughts/ask some more/post/+stuff/and more ;) 17:48 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, wait wait wait, if the game uses time (as you said) so you want users to launch the game on specific hours to get same lookin plants too? 17:49 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&number=769749832 17:49 Obiewan1111 So is there a way? [17:41] Is there a way to make it so in creative mode the blocks are infinite? Rather than 99. 17:49 PilzAdam it uses the c time, wich is the # of milliseconds beginning at 1970 IIRC 17:49 jojoa1997 gtg soon 17:50 PilzAdam most random generators on computers do 17:51 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, there is no "real" random on a normal computer 17:52 thexyz PilzAdam: /dev/random 17:52 Zetetic /dev/thorium 17:52 RealBadAngel wanna bet? 17:53 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&number=769749832 17:53 rubenwardy Coaster 17:53 RealBadAngel i will write you random gen that no seed will help you 17:53 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Do you think you can prove randomness? Really? 17:54 RealBadAngel none of generators will be perfect 17:55 RealBadAngel but im strict agains the idea of plants being treated like a piece of terrain 17:55 RealBadAngel *t 17:55 marktraceur PilzAdam: s/c time/UNIX time/ 17:56 RealBadAngel those are living stuff, shall be unpredicteable 17:56 RealBadAngel like the nature 17:56 Exio . the stuff "in nature" will be, it should be fixed only in the map generation 17:57 RealBadAngel so write it 17:57 RealBadAngel i wont 17:57 RealBadAngel period 17:57 RealBadAngel delete my stuff, and stop botherin me 17:57 RealBadAngel c ya 17:58 PilzAdam come on man 17:58 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Bit of an overreaction, isn't it? 17:59 RealBadAngel im sick of such comments to my work 17:59 RealBadAngel its pure monthy python 17:59 Exio the trees are using a seed at this moment, so, what? 18:00 RealBadAngel dont like, delete 18:00 RealBadAngel i wont dance for a seed dance 18:00 marktraceur RealBadAngel: I don't understand, what comment is setting you off? 18:01 RealBadAngel c55 and pilzadam wants treegen to generate repetitive trees with given seed 18:01 RealBadAngel i said NO 18:01 thexyz why? 18:01 celeron55 why not just stop this nonsense; the discussed feature can be added to RBA's code with not much work anyway when it is needed 18:02 RealBadAngel sure, add this. ruin the whole idea of treegen 18:02 celeron55 ah, this is how the discussion gets continued 18:02 celeron55 RealBadAngel: stop the bullshit 18:02 celeron55 now 18:03 rubenwardy celeron55: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&number=769746495 18:05 thexyz oh, i see, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-14#i_2808827 18:06 celeron55 rubenwardy: the DM is awesome, but there is just one problem: it's not in the game 18:06 rubenwardy oh 18:06 marktraceur celeron55: Why would you be belligerent about it? He just wanted to talk about the usefulness of the feature. 18:06 celeron55 the problem should be fixed but i can't get motivated to do it 18:07 celeron55 marktraceur: he wasn't bringing anything new to the discussion, just repeating the same comment with zero new understanding 18:07 marktraceur celeron55: So guide him to a place where he can understand your concerns and he can help you understand his 18:07 rubenwardy c55: its more of a souvenir, a memory of the old times to members. The goal of it is to sell stuff to members, and the advertising part of it being a bonus. 18:07 * marktraceur doesn't want this project to lose contributors 18:08 celeron55 and i know from before that he will be ok; he tends to get upset right that and cease thinking, and afterwards be the clever himself again 8) 18:08 celeron55 s/right/like/ 18:09 marktraceur celeron55: That's good, but not a great reason to be pissy at him 18:14 rubenwardy "need some coffee" coaster http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?number=769752087 18:15 celeron55 btw, i think we might need somebody to have a "producer"-kind of responsibility for the upcoming mapgen stuff; there's multiple things hanging around and somebody would need to study them, figure out how to use them well together in a finite timeframe and make it happen 18:16 celeron55 i have usually done all of stuff like that but i don't really feel like it now 18:17 marktraceur celeron55: Define "finite timeframe" 18:17 celeron55 it's not nice towards contributors to not have someone like that for things they are contributing to, because it results in more or less unnecessary work 18:18 celeron55 marktraceur: it's largely up to the somebody, based on his findings and plans 18:18 marktraceur (I have to assume you mean it would be nice to have more people like that in general, but you'd take someone for this only) 18:19 marktraceur celeron55: Well, I'd be of little help myself, but I'll keep an eye out for someone. 18:19 marktraceur Probably this Saturday will be useful for that purpose 18:19 celeron55 there are other things too that would have use for a "producer", but none are as current as this one 18:19 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4437 18:21 marktraceur celeron55: I think there could be a much more informal setup for everything, but it would take more resources than we currently have 18:22 marktraceur celeron55: Probably most important would be more people who are interested and excited about core dev, which (again) Saturday should help 18:22 VanessaE entities can't use animated textures, can they? 18:24 celeron55 marktraceur: people are free to do things informally, but that hasn't resulted in any larger upstream development efforts in the past at least - that is why i think we need to try some structure 18:24 PilzAdam I dont know if its the right time, but here is a patch that makes the current trees seedbased: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/tree_random 18:25 jcontra Hi, PilzAdam-- are you involved with the development of MineTest? 18:25 marktraceur celeron55: Whatever effort you'd like to expend, I'll definitely help shape it any way it can be useful 18:25 PilzAdam jcontra, kinda 18:26 NakedFury dont be modest 18:26 jcontra :) 18:26 PilzAdam jcontra, why are you asking? 18:26 jcontra It looks like you're submitting patches, and that's awesome. 18:27 jcontra I'm working to put F/LOSS into an elementary school classroom, and we used MineTest to create a playground for the kids 18:27 celeron55 marktraceur: but maintaining structure takes a lot of effort too, unless people personally like the people they "work for", so it's tricky 18:27 jcontra we are making a documentary at this point, and I'm looking for permission to feature MineTest in the film 18:27 FreeFull celeron55: Right now the mapgen doesn't seem to generate anything above 50+ y, will the new one do that? 18:27 celeron55 marktraceur: and agree with them 18:27 FreeFull Or do you not know yourself? 18:28 PilzAdam jcontra, I dont see a reason why not. Also you dont need permission to do it 18:28 celeron55 FreeFull: preferably yes, but i don't think this "new mapgen" is anything that people think it is - it's mostly a prototype that doesn't really work as-is 18:28 marktraceur celeron55: Mehhh, I think a lot of that effect can be mitigated by having multiple people "above" new contributors 18:29 FreeFull celeron55: That's why I'm asking will, not does =P 18:29 FreeFull I loved the old (0.3.x) mapgen ): 18:30 Exio what "should be" the new in the new mapgen? biomes and the trees? 18:30 PilzAdam thexyz, I keep my flat mapgen branch up to date with the master branch, so it would be nice if you build it too when you build the master branch 18:30 jcontra PilzAdam: Since it is GPLv2? What if I put the logo on a t-shirt and sold the t-shirts? Wouldn't that require permission? 18:30 PilzAdam its LGPL 18:30 jcontra PilzAdam: Thanks for that correction :) 18:30 celeron55 the logo is CC BY SA afaik 18:31 thexyz PilzAdam: why don't you want to add config option for it and merge into master? 18:31 FreeFull GPL/LGPL isn't a good license for images 18:31 celeron55 which probably means there should be a mention of the author on where the products are sold 18:31 celeron55 not on the products themselves i guess 18:31 jcontra I'll make sure to do that 18:32 jcontra of course-- I'm marketing this to the world. I should include a link to you guys :) 18:32 celeron55 the authors aren't very clear, but i think the logo is by "erlehmann" (try to search git or something for real name) 18:32 jcontra ok 18:32 jcontra does MineTest take donations? 18:32 PilzAdam thexyz, I could do that, but there are some things that need to be discussed, sich as where to put the config since it should be per world 18:33 rubenwardy jcontra: yes 18:33 Exio then configs per world are needed! :P 18:33 PilzAdam jcontra, the main site is down currently, but it is here: http://www.minetest.net/donations.php 18:33 celeron55 jcontra: i take, altough the site is down currently... umm... well here's the backup of the old site: http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/donate.php 18:33 thexyz PilzAdam: world.mt? 18:34 PilzAdam it can take a while until I get things ready 18:34 jcontra celeron55: Great-- I've added that to to my notes. Would you be willing to PM me your email address so that I can confirm details without IRC? 18:35 jcontra not that I don't like IRC 18:35 celeron55 jcontra: nick @ gmail.com works 18:35 jcontra jcontra: than you much :) 18:35 jcontra whoops 18:35 jcontra celeron55: thank you much :) 18:35 celeron55 if you're not ok with paypal, then you can ask for my european bank account number... i'll try to make sure at least a bit larger than tiny donations do something good for minetest 18:36 jcontra celeron55: I'll sell the t-shirts and submit a lump sum payment to your project :) 18:36 rubenwardy what is your paypal email, celeron55? I need it so I can give you the profits from the Merchandise 18:37 rubenwardy celeron55@gmail.com ? 18:37 celeron55 yep, same one 18:37 jcontra rubenwardy: you're creating merchandise? 18:39 celeron55 i have recently been getting very few donations (enough to cover hosting costs), probably because mine* games aren't that "in" these days as in the first years (when i got a few times that amount) 18:40 jcontra I'll try to get you a few more :) 18:40 celeron55 if i get enough money to hire people for some not-so-fun work, that will be interesting... 18:41 celeron55 altough i guess that won't happen 18:41 celeron55 prove me wrong :P 18:42 marktraceur celeron55: It would be cool to hire *you* to do....well, fun work or not-so-fun work, whatever you need to get done 18:42 celeron55 my problem is time 18:42 celeron55 i can't get it for money currently 18:43 celeron55 i will be able to after half a year 18:44 celeron55 unless you want to pribe a doctor to get me out from this community service (as in lieu of military) 8D 18:44 celeron55 lol, that would be good use for money i guess 18:45 jcontra celeron55: If you're in Slovakia, I could help with that :D 18:45 * marktraceur thinks that would be misappropriation of charitable funds 18:45 jcontra celeron55: only kidding :) 18:46 KikaRz People, if mesecons mod were more smooth... like when piston pulls or pushes the block... i could make good maps 18:47 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75701823/need-some-coffee_tshirt 18:49 jcontra rubenwardy: Cafepress takes ~$18 per shirt, don't they? I have a contact that can produce them at $10/unit 18:49 rubenwardy really? 18:49 jcontra rubenwardy: yes-- I'm working with apisource.com 18:50 jcontra rubenwardy: and I'll be building a storefront on www.libretees.com 18:50 jcontra rubenwardy: I'm catering specifically to F/LOSS projects :) 18:51 rubenwardy You may have the design for the t shirt, and put it on what ever market place you want. 18:51 rubenwardy If you get a better deal, tell me 18:52 rubenwardy do you like the design? 18:52 rubenwardy It is meant for cups and coasters 18:52 rubenwardy mainly, but it still works on T Shirts 18:53 jcontra rubenwardy: I like it for cups/coasters. For t-shirts, I'd do away with the coffee mug and leave the pickaxe, and make the MineTest text larger 18:53 jcontra rubenwardy: Can I PM you my email address? 18:54 rubenwardy of course 18:55 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/+need_some_coffee_mug,769779642 18:56 KikaRz cool 18:56 KikaRz but that things are going to be to all world? 18:56 KikaRz i want for here. Portugal / Europe 18:57 rubenwardy I live in england 18:57 jcontra I'll verify that with the people that produce the shirts 18:57 rubenwardy I think they do world wide deliveries 18:58 KikaRz yay 18:58 KikaRz I want a coffee mug 18:58 KikaRz :D 18:58 jcontra rubenwardy: Send me an email, and put that design in SVG format if you can. I'll see what I can do to reduce the unit cost for you. 18:58 KikaRz how much costs one Coffee Mug? 18:58 KikaRz or a normal mug? 18:58 KikaRz with Minetest logo ? 18:59 PilzAdam $15 18:59 * marktraceur considers this 18:59 KikaRz Convert that to EURO € 18:59 PilzAdam ~ 15 € 19:00 marktraceur I love that all the mugs in the pictures are blank 19:01 rubenwardy http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%2415+in+euros 19:01 thexyz i'd prefer some other design though 19:01 rubenwardy 11.22 euros 19:01 rubenwardy thexyz: ideas needed 19:02 thexyz rubenwardy: >Simple is better than complex. 19:04 rubenwardy ie... 19:04 * marktraceur <3 PEP 20 19:05 marktraceur thexyz: A friend once used PEP 20 to give me dating advice. 19:05 marktraceur He wasn't wrong. 19:06 iqualfragile wtf is a pep? 19:06 marktraceur iqualfragile: It's a Python thing 19:06 celeron55 i should sometime write an inverted pep20 and distribute it 19:06 marktraceur Python Enhancement Proposal 19:06 celeron55 just for the sake of it, and because python ideologists are boring 8) 19:07 marktraceur iqualfragile: The really common ones are PEP 20 (which is subtitled "The Zen of Python"), and PEP 8 which lays out style guidelines for all Python code 19:08 * celeron55 is chaotic neutral 19:09 iqualfragile and how the fuck can you use that to give dating advice? 19:09 celeron55 >Beautiful is better than ugly. 19:09 celeron55 it's quite obvious 19:09 celeron55 many of them 19:10 celeron55 now that i think of it, is this really a python thing? it seems like dating guidelines 19:11 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/+minetest_logo_mug,769792489] 19:11 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/+minetest_logo_mug,769792489 19:11 thexyz remove .net 19:11 marktraceur celeron55: I know right? 19:13 rubenwardy should I remove .net, everybody? 19:13 jcontra I'm agree with the removal of .net 19:13 Muadtralk .net? 19:13 Muadtralk whats going on? 19:13 jcontra on the logo on the coffee mug 19:13 jcontra see cafepress link above 19:13 thexyz Muadtralk: read damn logs 19:13 celeron55 at least from the large text; one thing to try would be adding "minetest.net" with a very small font at the bottom right corner of the large text 19:14 ruskie yeah since there is minetest.net and .org and could really be other stuff as well 19:14 marktraceur I think there's a lot to be taken from "Flat is better than nested.", but I think it depends largely on how you read it 19:14 celeron55 (or something like http://www.minetest.net/ to go for the full url) 19:15 celeron55 marktraceur: it indeed is somewhat ambiguous 19:15 Muadtralk I read the logs yes the net should be removed 19:15 thexyz www =( 19:15 marktraceur Also wonderful: "Now is better than never.\nAlthough never is often better than *right* now." 19:16 Muadtralk thexyz whats wrong with www? 19:16 thexyz look, we live in 2013 19:16 Muadtralk and? 19:17 Muadtralk that means something? 19:17 thexyz there's no need in www 19:18 marktraceur http://no-www.org 19:18 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75702611/minetest_tshirt 19:19 ruskie there is need for www if you direct to a diff ip 19:19 thexyz so, you want www.domain and domain point to different ips? 19:20 marktraceur ruskie: Yes, but it would be silly for most websites to redirect to www, because the entire point of most websites is to *be on the web* 19:20 ruskie thexyz, most of my domains do so 19:21 ruskie www is the space reserved for websites 19:21 marktraceur www.marktraceur.info: 404'D 19:21 celeron55 there are mixed opinions about whether a subdomain should always be used 19:21 ruskie marktraceur, don't confuse domains and sites 19:21 marktraceur ruskie: Show me the spec that says that 19:21 marktraceur {{cn}} times fifty 19:22 celeron55 some browsers give you real headache if non-www doesn't resolve and then you fix your connection and try again, because they add www to the address when it doesn't resolve or connect without it 19:22 rubenwardy any comments? http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75702611/minetest_tshirt 19:22 rubenwardy any more ideas? 19:23 celeron55 so a site should definitely support "www." even if it isn't used for anything but a redirect or something 19:23 ruskie celeron55, mostly because many users don't get the point that http:// is part of the URL not an optional thing 19:23 ruskie marktraceur, no policy or spec 19:23 ruskie marktraceur, but historicaly www was used for this 19:23 celeron55 ehm, who writes addresses to the address bar with http://? 19:23 ruskie I do 19:23 ruskie always 19:23 celeron55 it's implicit in browsers, http is obviously what one wants 19:24 ruskie to bad that browsers don't understand that then 19:24 ruskie because to many support ftp and https and random: as well 19:24 celeron55 then you can explicitly write it 19:25 ruskie anyway it's personal preference mostly 19:25 ruskie so I don't give a damn in the end 19:25 celeron55 i don't care either - but there shouldn't be a reason to prefer neither 19:25 marktraceur ruskie: History isn't always right 19:25 celeron55 (as far as browsers go) 19:26 marktraceur ruskie: Tell me why I should use www if I already specify that I want an HTTP response from the website with A) the protocol I'm using and B) the port I'm accessing? 19:26 ruskie marktraceur, a lot of things aren't always right... and a lot of things aren't always wrong... so doesn't really matter... as said.. it's a personal preference 19:26 ruskie marktraceur, well with my sites you would get a blank page on non www. 19:27 marktraceur ruskie: I'd be cool with that 19:27 * marktraceur wonders if there's a no-www plugin for firefox 19:27 sema4 i'm going to make sure my www and non-www redirect to www2 now 19:27 ruskie as soon as it becomes a globaly accepted practice that will work 19:28 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63599 19:28 marktraceur sema4: There's also http://www.www.extra-www.org 19:29 ruskie I prefer the http://a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.domain.tld/ 19:29 sema4 well, that's just annoying :) 19:29 Hi-jera_WingFox lol 19:29 rubenwardy Mauvebic: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63599 updated 19:30 marktraceur Right, my task for the week: Write a no-www firefox addon 19:30 marktraceur On a failed connection to example.com, it will try www.example.com and, if it's found, display a warning 19:30 Octupus Hi 19:31 marktraceur "WARNING: This website is run by neanderthals from 1993. Consider not signing up for their service, or maybe try suggesting that they use more modern domain practises." 19:31 marktraceur Then link to no-www.org 19:31 ruskie I was more thinknig "you are an idiot for caring about 4 characters" 19:32 babyface1031 hi Octupus 19:32 Octupus Hi face 19:32 Octupus havent been her for awhile 19:32 * VanessaE wanders back in 19:32 marktraceur ruskie: You can write that addon, I'll write this one, we'll see who gets around the world in 80 days 19:32 marktraceur GO 19:32 ruskie I don't care 19:32 ruskie that was the whole point 19:33 * marktraceur laughs evilly from his hot air balloon 19:33 ruskie it's a personal decision by the people running sites and they are really the only ones that make any domain practices 19:33 * Exio throws an arrow at marktraceur's air ballon 19:33 sapier1 what problems do you have with www? 19:34 ruskie if 99% of the world uses www. and 1% screams at them not to use it... who cares... same the other way around 19:34 sapier1 www is just a domain? it's not even a protocol specifier 19:34 sapier1 ok exactly its a subdomain 19:35 * ruskie goes do more productive things... like sleeping 19:36 babyface1031 yeah i was thinking i havent seen you in awhile Octupus 19:37 Octupus :P 19:38 VanessaE the problem with www is if you have a site that is entirely http-based, no FTP, no other subdomains, etc. then www is redundant and makes the webmaster look like an idiot :-) 19:38 celeron55 but then what if you add them 19:38 VanessaE *then* you add appropriate records and a www. subdomain. 19:38 celeron55 then all links point to non-www while the site has ftp, other subdomains and everything 19:38 sapier1 so you assume http == www? 19:38 celeron55 and the webmaster looks like an idiot again :-D 19:39 VanessaE so then default non-www -> www.whatever 19:39 rubenwardy VanessaE: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63590 19:39 thexyz VanessaE: what's the point in adding www subdomain? 19:39 celeron55 minetest uses a myriad of subdomains but the main site is still at minetest.net; it seems to work well 19:39 VanessaE thexyz: there isn't one usually :-) 19:40 thexyz >*then* you add appropriate records and a www. subdomain. 19:40 VanessaE rubenwardy: these are actual photos? 19:40 rubenwardy no 19:40 rubenwardy generated 19:40 VanessaE thexyz: because at that point, it barely starts to make sense. But to have www. when you have no subdomains at all? pointless. 19:40 thexyz i don't get it, in which way does it make sense? 19:41 VanessaE rubenwardy: Minetest Logo T-Shirt: make the minetest logo itself quite large, and write "Minetest" under that 19:42 VanessaE thexyz: when you have a site that has no subdomains at all, having www.whatever.com is pointless. When you *do* have subdomains, then you use www but only if it points to a specific machine or virtual host whose sole purpose is to handle web-facing stuff 19:42 VanessaE (as opposed to ftp or whatever else) 19:42 VanessaE this is how we did it when I worked for a web space provider about a hundred years ago. 19:42 thexyz why don't you want to point domain (instead of www.domain) to >a specific machine or virtual host whose sole purpose is to handle web-facing stuff 19:42 VanessaE (well, about 12 years ago I guess it was) 19:42 thexyz that doesn't stop you from having ftp.domain, etc.. 19:43 VanessaE thexyz: you could do that too, I'm just saying that having www. at all is kinda pointless, it's just *less* pointless if used in that fashion. 19:43 thexyz hm.. rubenwardy, try something like this http://ompldr.org/vaDJwdg 19:43 VanessaE that's all. 19:43 rubenwardy celeron55: "A confirmation link has been sent to your email address. Use the link in your email to confirm these account changes." 19:43 rubenwardy nothing at mine, so it appears that it has gone to yours 19:43 celeron55 uummm...? 19:43 rubenwardy thexyz: needs to be atleast 600x600 19:44 thexyz VanessaE: it's equally pointless 19:44 rubenwardy celeron55: paypal confirm 19:44 * VanessaE shrugs 19:44 celeron55 rubenwardy: not likely and why would it tell you about my e-mail as "your email" 19:44 celeron55 rubenwardy: you've failed something 8) 19:44 VanessaE I only know how we did it back then, and it only made sense in the very narrow example I gave. 19:44 rubenwardy it must mean the paypal email 19:45 rubenwardy it thinks it is mine 19:45 VanessaE as I recall I advised my customers not to use www. if they didn't need it 19:45 celeron55 rubenwardy: in any case, i'm seeing nothing 19:46 VanessaE rubenwardy: you should make something based on my HDX pack also, e.g. a big foam pickaxe ;-) 19:46 rubenwardy send me a 600 x 600 image for it, and i will make it 19:47 thexyz VanessaE: i mean, i don't see *any* case in which www is needed 19:47 kaeza how about a MESE block keychain? 19:47 VanessaE rubenwardy: https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/default_tool_mesepick.png 19:47 VanessaE kaeza: +10000 19:48 rubenwardy good idea, kaeza 19:48 VanessaE rubenwardy: that's the highest rez one I have. 19:48 rubenwardy old or new mese block? 19:48 VanessaE NEW! 19:48 kaeza new 19:48 rubenwardy What do you want it to say? 19:48 rubenwardy (the pick axe) 19:48 VanessaE make a keychain with mese crystal also :-) 19:49 VanessaE rubenwardy: nothing, neat. 19:49 kaeza +10000 19:52 rubenwardy VanessaE: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75703352/minetest-hd-pick-axe_tshirt 19:53 rubenwardy or http://www.cafepress.com/+minetest_hd_pick_axe_mug,769808877 19:53 VanessaE rubenwardy: nonono not a t-shirt.. a big foam pickaxe in the same vein as the ones available for MC 19:53 rubenwardy dont know how to do that 19:53 VanessaE oh. damn 19:55 kaeza lol_? 19:55 kaeza the address sounds familiar 19:56 rubenwardy thexyz: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75703460/minetest-logo-alt_tshirt 19:57 Exio poor lol 19:58 kaeza was it Nikon? 19:58 kaeza don't think so 19:58 thexyz rubenwardy: that was a draft 19:58 kaeza I bet it was LM 19:58 rubenwardy ok 20:05 rubenwardy gtg 20:07 rubenwardy bye all 20:07 VanessaE bye 20:07 VanessaE dammit 20:14 VanessaE PilzAdam: the digging particles look nice, but they need more of an arc to their travel - they move too straight. 20:14 PilzAdam -> Jeija 20:14 VanessaE I know. 20:14 PilzAdam I just made the lighting 20:14 VanessaE but you merged it ;) 20:14 kaeza I have found a bug in the right clicking code 20:14 kaeza handling* 20:14 PilzAdam no, darkrose merged it 20:14 VanessaE she did? 20:14 VanessaE hrm, I thought I saw your name on it.. 20:15 PilzAdam yea, Jeija is the author, I am the comitter, and darkrose merged it 20:15 VanessaE ah 20:15 VanessaE github doesn't tell me that 20:15 VanessaE at least in the commits page anyway 20:17 PilzAdam fast-forward merges dont change the commit 20:18 VanessaE ah 20:18 VanessaE my git-fu needs further development :-) 20:18 kaeza PilzAdam, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/428 20:19 kaeza or anyone ^ 20:19 * PilzAdam will investigate 20:19 kaeza does that need any more info? 20:20 PilzAdam nope 20:20 PilzAdam I can easily reproduce it 20:23 kaeza I haven't tested if the same is true for LMB 20:25 PilzAdam kaeza, see GitHub 20:25 kaeza k 20:25 VanessaE ok, how do I get the player's current position? 20:26 VanessaE (in Lua that is) 20:26 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1178 20:26 thexyz suddenly wild http://dev.minetest.net/ link appears! 20:26 VanessaE ah 20:26 VanessaE thanks 20:27 PilzAdam thexyz, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/428 20:27 thexyz lol 20:28 marktraceur Question: Is there a bugfix release that fixes the issue where entities will attach to one another randomly? 20:29 thexyz yes 20:29 thexyz (probably) 20:29 marktraceur thexyz: Probably doesn't do me any good. 20:30 kaeza VanessaE, minetest.env:get_player_by_name("derp"):getpos(); 20:30 kaeza or some such 20:30 thexyz PilzAdam: http://bpaste.net/show/70178/ 20:31 PilzAdam already done: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/08bf59f6e9e85c6fe63ea1ced001f02efd7fc9f0 20:31 PilzAdam what do you think about the commit message? can we use this format? 20:31 thexyz see? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-01-04#i_2779833 20:32 thexyz i was right! 20:32 PilzAdam I know :-) 20:32 thexyz good enough 20:32 PilzAdam Ill push it 20:33 kaeza PilzAdam, does it work now? 20:34 PilzAdam Oh, GitHub closes issue when I reference it from a pull request 20:34 PilzAdam kaeza, yep 20:34 kaeza good 20:34 celeron55 i don't like tying commit messages to some arbitrary issue ticket system without any explanations other than the ID 20:35 celeron55 github will go over some day, and then nobody can know what the commits are about 20:35 PilzAdam I neither, but the description in this case is too long 20:36 celeron55 "Bugfix: else repeat_rightclick_timer = 0;" 20:36 celeron55 was it so hard? 20:36 celeron55 it is important to see what a commit is about from the single-line log of messages 20:36 PilzAdam should I rewrite the history? 20:36 celeron55 no 20:37 celeron55 (or maybe if you insist to) 20:38 PilzAdam Ill do it before someone pulls it 20:39 PilzAdam done 20:40 * VanessaE sighs 20:42 thexyz umm.. celeron55, how about writing small article regarding codestyle/commit message style, etc at dev.minetest.net? 20:43 VanessaE I need to find all blocks of a given type that are near each connected player. Is there a graceful way to do this? 20:43 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1068 20:43 mauvebic ambience 20:43 VanessaE (kaeza's answer wasn't too helpful, and thexyz's even less so) 20:43 thexyz VanessaE: http://dev.minetest.net/EnvRef 20:44 kaeza VanessaE, nope 20:44 kaeza VanessaE, minetest.get_connected_players() and a for loop 20:44 VanessaE kaeza: ah, see I couldn't find that in the api 20:44 mauvebic ambience (code's already written) 20:47 PilzAdam celeron55, did you actually noticed this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net/pull/1 20:55 * OldCoder must go to another city for a few hours 20:59 Exio i already said that a long ago PilzAdam 20:59 kaeza I may be a bit paranoid, but this looks like a scam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4431 20:59 Exio and nobody cared about that :/ 21:00 mauvebic how can a server be a scam? 21:00 Exio *012-12-19 21:16:13 it is me or the 'link' to the minetest_game in github in the Downloads section links to the minetest repository? 21:01 Exio UTC-3 21:01 jojoa1997 VanessaE: you there? 21:01 kaeza well, you need to register an account in the website in order to apply for build privs 21:01 PilzAdam kaeza, i can connect normally to the server 21:02 VanessaE yeah 21:02 jojoa1997 come to me on server NOW it is about the pipeworks mod 21:02 kaeza well, maybe "scam" isn't the correct word to describe what I feel 21:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: what about it? 21:03 jojoa1997 hard to explain you have to see it yourself but there is a bug that makes water stop flowing 21:03 VanessaE kinda busy right now.. 21:04 PilzAdam kaeza, what do you feel? 21:04 kaeza It's just a bit annoying to give my e-mail address to a complete stranger 21:05 PilzAdam If people want to, why not? 21:05 PilzAdam maybe its a completly save server 21:05 kaeza I'm a bit paranoid, that's all :P 21:06 PilzAdam and you already gave c55, also a complete stranger, your E-Mail :-p 21:06 jcontra I'm a good guy 21:06 kaeza ? 21:06 Exio there is a difference, you don't need to download, or whatever 21:06 jcontra oh-- celeron55 gave me his :) 21:06 mauvebic and anyone with half a brain probably has more than one email for signing up to different things 21:07 PilzAdam jcontra, you can get c55's email everywhere 21:07 Exio i have a hotmail for spam, a gmail for real things 21:07 jcontra :) gotcha... nothing special then 21:07 VanessaE jojoa1997: server restarted. Place a couple of torches and enjoy the result :-) 21:07 kaeza I use yahoo for spam 21:07 mauvebic 4 gmails lol 21:07 kaeza Y! are losers 21:08 PilzAdam jcontra, you can get all devs email addresses via github 21:08 frogcrush Anypony use outlook.com? 21:08 PilzAdam yep 21:08 jojoa1997 VanessaE: what do you mean torches 21:08 jojoa1997 what do they do 21:08 PilzAdam gtg now; bye 21:09 kaeza jcontra, also on minetest.net, c55.net, anotherrandomminetestrelatedsite.net, and so on 21:09 VanessaE torches, you know, those things that burn and give off light? 21:09 kaeza c55.me * 21:09 jojoa1997 yeah what is different 21:10 jojoa1997 VanessaE:did you fix the pipeworks 21:10 VanessaE I'm working on a better method for smoke in partciles mod. 21:10 VanessaE and no I didn't touch pipeworks. 21:10 jojoa1997 i will describe prob 21:10 VanessaE what's the default server step in singleplayer mode? 21:11 kaeza VanessaE, can't particles be implemented using some random meshes? 21:11 jojoa1997 when water goes to the outlet then the outlet turns and cuts water off 21:11 kaeza I mean some randomly shaped meshes 21:12 jojoa1997 i think you need to get rid of my added code 21:12 jojoa1997 i will do pull request 21:12 mauvebic lol 21:12 mauvebic the outlet turns? not bad 21:12 jojoa1997 what so funny 21:13 mauvebic breaking code that works lol 21:13 mauvebic simple 21:13 mauvebic when you punch the outlet 21:13 mauvebic its replaced with its on version i think 21:13 kaeza mauvebic, the same happens with mesecons receivers (at least I've seen that happen on minetest.org:30000) 21:13 jojoa1997 mauvbic could you potter 21:13 sapier1 kaeza you can add any meshes still to get particles you'll need a huge amount of then I don't know if engine can do that 21:14 mauvebic in the associated add_node, next to name = 'outlet_on" there needs to be param2 = node.param2 21:14 jojoa1997 mauvbic so i just punch the outlet 21:14 mauvebic try this version of pipeworks and tell me if you have the same problem : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2323 21:15 mauvebic install in a seperate game folder so you dont fuck up your worlds 21:15 jojoa1997 dude it takes forever for my pc to load MT 21:15 kaeza sapier1, just a few like 5 would be enuff to give a realistic feeling (depending on situation) 21:15 jojoa1997 let alon 2 clients 21:15 kaeza (when digging a node) 21:16 mauvebic if your PC is slow what are you doing running things like pipeworks? lol 21:17 mauvebic in terms of ABM's it's a hat-trick 21:17 jojoa1997 my pc is fast but i have like 40 soomething mods and stuff for my homework 21:17 jojoa1997 Vanessae map not loading 21:17 sapier1 I think that'd be worth a try I recommend blender .. but it's not quite easy to learn 21:18 kaeza jojoa1997, create a separate "testing" game with only the needed mods 21:18 mauvebic well try it or dont try it lol i cant guess whats wrong with the other version 21:18 VanessaE jojoa1997: that's because I restarted the server again to test something 21:18 jojoa1997 thats the third time 21:18 jojoa1997 can i go on 21:19 VanessaE yeah go ahead 21:19 jojoa1997 funny how whenever i go on your server it always shutsdown as i get on 21:19 jojoa1997 !!CONSPIRACY!! 21:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE: did you ever add my pull request? 21:22 jojoa1997 also the map is still not loading 21:22 Zetetic !wik Hanlon's razor 21:23 Muadtralk no more bots 21:23 VanessaE jojoa1997: I didn't need to, I found another way to do it. I'll work on the server later, I'm kinda busy,. 21:24 jojoa1997 ok 21:24 jojoa1997 goodbye everyone 21:29 TForsman hello, got some issues to build latest git with linux, getting errors like: 21:29 TForsman minetest-master/src/util/serialize.h:32: error: 'u64' is not declared 21:38 sema4 sorry don't knpow 21:38 sema4 maybe need to ./configure ? 21:39 kaeza TForsman, can you pastebin more context? 21:39 kaeza sema4, cmake* 21:39 sema4 ah 21:39 Exio TForsman: i got that problem 21:39 TForsman Exio: solved it somehow? 21:41 Exio i had to declare it in my /usr/include/irrlicht/irrTypes.h 21:42 Exio typedef unsigned long long u64; 21:45 BackupCoder hey 21:45 sema4 shouldn't it already be there http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/irr_types_8h_source.html#l00082 21:46 sema4 maybe that is something that was added in 1.8 in Nov. 21:46 TForsman testing to update irrlicht 21:46 TForsman had 1.8 from svn, earlier than nov though 21:46 Exio sema4: it was added, but at least my version doesn't have it 21:47 Exio sema4: and even, i think having a #ifndef *i don't know if it works* will be better than using the actual #if for the irrlicht versions 21:49 mauvebic damn if the snow keeps melting there wont be any left - and its just the 14th lol 21:50 mauvebic im afraid to go out cuz large chunks of ice keep detaching from the roof and dropping on my stoop lol 21:50 sema4 i duno, i would be concerned that if your irrlicht header files are out of date but the mintest source is referencing something in them, then even if you get it to compule with your hand-edited verion, something is going to be amiss/broken :> 21:51 sokomine there's a mod that is intended to send a greeting to the player when the player logs in via minetest.register_on_joinplayer that does not seem to be able to deliver a message to the player with minetest.chat_send_player(player:get_player_name(), "welcome back") 21:52 sokomine the api documentation shows the same so it ought to work. otherwise my suspicion would be that the player isn't really "there" yet when the function is called 21:52 sapier1 sokomin single or multiplayer? those on_join/on_leave functions aren't quite tested 21:54 sokomine tested in multiplayer. the debug messages the mod produces are printed. seems they are printed *before* the server prints something about the player actual joining: first, the print-message from the mod, *then* ACTION[ServerThread]: Sokomine joins game. List of players: Sokomine 21:54 thexyz Exio: either update your irrlicht to 1.8 release or downgrade to 1.7, anyways, what's your distro? 21:54 sapier1 hmm maybe as workaround start a timer send message to player with some delay? 21:55 kaeza sokomine, use a minetest.after()callback 21:55 sokomine the solution might be to delay the delivery of the message. still - the documentation at http://dev.minetest.net/register_on_joinplayer gives sending a message to the player as the very exapmple for which the function is used... 21:56 sapier1 I'd asume someone tested this prior adding as example ;-) 21:58 Exio gentoo, i think the problem is the overlay i used for getting a newer irrlicht 21:58 kaeza sokomine, http://pastebin.com/xd4s31G6 21:59 Exio i'll remove it, let me check 22:01 thexyz 1.8 is in portage 22:01 Exio yes, recompiling it 22:04 sokomine kaeza: yes, thank you :-) was testing it at the same time. though i used admin = {}; and admin.give_privs = function( ...) instead of "local function". didn't know about local function yet 22:05 kaeza sokomine, np! just ask if you have any doubts. the wiki is still in the works. 22:05 * kaeza is a Lua guru 22:05 kaeza :P 22:09 sokomine ah! that is good. i know programming in general and even started with pascal...er...by now decades ago but i'm not very familiar with lua which does things diffrent sometimes 22:15 sokomine kaeza: would you like to update http://dev.minetest.net/register_on_joinplayer ? after all you wrote a quick solution 22:16 kaeza sure 22:17 erlehmann whom of you is making thee t-shirts 22:17 mauvebic rubenwardy/c55 22:21 sokomine fine :-) thanks! 22:22 * VanessaE wonders if this is the real erlehmann... 22:22 erlehmann i tis. why? 22:22 VanessaE just curious. 22:26 kaeza sokomine, done 22:26 Muadtralk hello erlehmann 22:28 erlehmann hello 22:41 sokomine the pun bot is really strange. i thought 0.4.3 might be considered the previous stable version? or 0.4.2 ? but the bot accepts neither 22:42 Menche it looking for 0.3 i think? 22:42 sapier1 it's asking for X.Y ;-) 22:42 sokomine that far back? hm, ok. too late now...it gave me another question (one that any human can answer) 22:42 sapier1 2 digit version number only 22:42 erlehmann tell me a server which i can see 22:43 sokomine aah, ok. that ought to be added to the question :-) 22:43 erlehmann i see someone made the rails better they now go diagonal 22:43 sokomine oh? diagonal rails sounds good. if you want the latest stuff go to vanessas creative server: vanessae.mine.bz 30000 22:43 erlehmann sokomine, i mean, up and down between levels 22:44 sokomine if you want a server with many players on and a lot of buildings go to redcrab.suret.net 30401 but that doesn't have carts 22:44 sokomine ah, ok 22:44 erlehmann where are the carts? 22:45 erlehmann when i made rails long time ago i made no carts 22:45 Muadtralk erlehmann when was the last time you were on minetest? 22:45 sokomine on vanessas server. you can even ride a cart. works relatively good :-) 22:45 Muadtralk just curious 22:45 erlehmann oh fine 22:45 erlehmann no idea. 22:45 Muadtralk sounds to me like very early 0.4 22:45 sema4 i noticed a strange thing with carts a few weeks back, they would disappear when out of site, but you could still hear them. 22:45 sema4 maybe fixed now, unsure. 22:45 Muadtralk thats a issue with the sound file 22:46 Muadtralk sounds like someone didn't make it mono 22:46 erlehmann has someone made something with gears? http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/icons/minetest/ 22:46 sokomine the cart still goes off track sometimes (i.e. flies on even tough there are no rails). but when the server catches up the cart is placed back on rails 22:46 sema4 no, the cart was gone, you couldnt' see it 22:46 Menche sema4: that happened to me with boats too, i think its a thing with entities 22:46 Menche i believe they are hidden when you are far away and aren't re-shown properly 22:47 sema4 but if i removed carts mod, then restarted server, you could find the unknown nodes 22:47 sema4 yeah that's what it seemd like, the node still existed but was hidden, and sound continued. 22:47 sokomine besides..the bot already said N.N but i didn't get the hint :-( maybe . would be more helpful. at least to me 22:47 sema4 anyway, seems like this is well known :> 22:48 Muadtralk I can fix that 22:48 erlehmann is there a debian packaging for 0.4.x ? 22:48 Muadtralk at least I used to be able to 22:48 Muadtralk give me the link to the repo 22:49 Menche i think there are PPAs for minetest, on the download page, which unfortunately is down atm 22:51 Muadtralk search launchpad for them :) 22:52 sokomine best way under debian seems to compile yourshelf. that is, once you found all the packages it depends on... 22:52 Menche there's minetest packages in debian testing and sid, but they're still at 0.3.1 22:52 Muadtralk https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds 22:52 Muadtralk but this is ubuntu stuff. 22:53 Uberi hey sweet 22:53 Uberi an MT ppa 22:53 Menche Arch has a PKGBUILD that automatically downloads dependencies and compiles from git 22:53 Muadtralk comes in handy :P 22:54 Menche shouldn't the debian sid package be a bit more recent? sid is for testing right? 22:54 Exio i still think git is the best way 22:54 Exio Menche: not now 22:55 Exio wheezy is going to be released "soon" so sid is more like a debian testing 22:55 sokomine the ubuntu version didn't work for me on debian last i tried (few month ago) 22:55 Menche isn't only wheezy frozen? anyway, i suppose there's no chance of 0.4 getting into wheezy 22:58 Muadtralk hmmmmm 22:58 Muadtralk we need someone to start making debian packages for minetest 22:58 Muadtralk :) 22:59 Muadtralk just so we can look more professional :) 23:00 Menche what about a package that installs a script to compile minetest from git? 23:00 Muadtralk that would work :) 23:00 sapier1 bad idea 23:00 Exio debian package == binary package 23:00 Exio if you want that, make a ebuild 23:01 sapier1 a package needs to be binary as exio said 23:01 Exio *with the exception of source packages, but normally you don't use them for anything* 23:02 Exio well, maybe a script for building it locally + making a .deb 23:02 Exio but the package by itself? nah 23:03 Menche probably right 23:03 Menche but there should be a script or something to make compiling easier for new users 23:03 Exio cmake .;make 23:03 Exio make install 23:04 Menche with features like selecting a branch or tag, updating, selecting an installation dir, installing .desktop files 23:04 sapier1 I assume something like "apt-get install build-essential cmake ... irrlicht-dev ... " would be necessary too 23:05 sapier1 install dir? linux?? 23:05 Exio /usr or /usr/local i think 23:05 Menche or a local install, and make a matching minetest.desktop in ~/.local/share to lauch 23:06 sapier1 or something else ... me for example doesn't want any install script to mesh around in my packaged distri folder 23:06 sapier1 s 23:07 sapier1 distribution updates often fail if you skrewed up your file structure by manually installing something into it 23:07 Menche isn't /usr/local the typical spot for locally compiled programs? or /opt/minetest 23:08 Exio i'm the only in linux who uses a "launch in place" minetest? 23:08 Menche or in the user's home dir so sudo/su isn't needed 23:08 sapier1 both are common depending what distribution you use 23:08 Exio am i * 23:08 Menche Exio: no, i use that to 23:08 Menche *too 23:08 sapier1 I do use launch in place too 23:08 Menche and i have a script in my $PATH so I can launch it with just "minetest" 23:08 sapier1 install to dir is *.deb only for me 23:09 Menche suppose i could use an alias instead 23:09 sapier1 why do you need to run it with "minetest"? 23:09 Menche lazy 23:10 sapier1 if you add a ".desktop" you can run it with full path 23:10 Menche not from the terminal 23:10 Exio minet :P 23:10 sapier1 why start a terminal if you're lazy ;-) 23:10 Menche Exio: doesn't work for .desktop 23:10 Exio i'm lazy and i'm using a terminal + weechat 23:11 sapier1 :-) most lazy ppl use windows ;-) 23:11 VanessaE is there a simple way to get the list of nodes (well, their positions) being operated on by an abm? 23:11 Exio Menche: yeah, that is why i said "minet", you have a script for that! 23:11 Menche saper1: i use i3 with dmenu, which doesn't use .desktops 23:12 Menche besides, I like to see terminal output when a mod crashes 23:12 sapier1 it'll have something similar to this 23:12 sapier1 at least i think so 23:12 Menche Exio: yes, I use that 23:12 Menche darn misspelled his name 23:12 sapier1 I'm not quite sure but I think minetest creates its debug log in cwd 23:13 Menche debug.txt? yes, but there's too much stuff in there. stdout is cleaner 23:14 sapier1 :-) yes but if you do a minetest everywhere you'll have a debug.txt in this cwd 23:15 sapier1 at least RUN_IN_PLACE version will behave that way 23:15 Menche actually, I have RUN_IN_PLACE off, but I run minetest from the build folder 23:15 kaeza suddently... unknown blocks https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_995420093.jpg 23:15 kaeza -t 23:16 sapier1 ok different setup 23:16 Menche it saves debug.txt to ~/.minetest i think 23:16 sapier1 that looks like a tree 23:17 kaeza one of RBA's birches IIRC 23:17 sapier1 maybe invalid parameters? or a memory corruption bug overwriting node type 23:18 kaeza nope, I removed the mod ^_^ 23:18 sapier1 :-) 23:18 sapier1 ok ok that was too simple 23:18 jojoa1997 Spoiler Alert: Shears are coming to Minetest 23:18 xrendan Is it possible to move a server from a windows computer to a linux computer? 23:18 kaeza xrendan, yes 23:19 Menche jojoa1997: hopefully a bit different from their MC counterparts? 23:19 kaeza you just move the world folder 23:19 sapier1 mobf already has scissors 23:19 jojoa1997 What do you mean 23:19 xrendan and the mod folder? 23:19 kaeza yup 23:19 jojoa1997 yeah but this is just for snappy stuff aka leaves 23:19 jojoa1997 papyrus maybe 23:19 xrendan Okay thanks :) 23:19 kaeza all the "data" files must be moved to linux 23:19 Menche minecraft also has shears, IMHO they're a bit random 23:21 sapier1 if they get to default game mobf will use them I've them in there only because I need some way to get wool from sheep 23:21 Menche i think a lot of recent minecraft stuff is random, especially potions, the new bosses 23:21 NakedFury jojoa1997 what will your shears do? will you change leaves too? 23:21 jojoa1997 no 23:21 marktraceur jojoa1997: Why would you harvest papyrus with shears? 23:21 kaeza xrendan, np. just ask if you have doubts 23:21 jojoa1997 well make a new name for it 23:21 kaeza :) 23:22 jojoa1997 i dont know of what name it should be called 23:22 marktraceur jojoa1997: Do you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruning_shears ? 23:22 jojoa1997 yes 23:22 Menche i suppose shears is fine, maybe pruners? 23:22 jojoa1997 shears sound better 23:22 kaeza SALLY SHEARS anyone? 23:22 marktraceur Pruners would be less ambiguous, Secateurs would be more hilariously confusing 23:22 jojoa1997 pruners sounds like a mob 23:22 Menche ya pruners isn't as obvious 23:23 jojoa1997 ok ill change it 23:23 Menche trimmers? 23:23 Menche clippers? 23:23 marktraceur Menche: Sounds like an electric razor or something 23:23 jojoa1997 i like trimmer 23:23 jojoa1997 what about everyone else 23:24 kaeza duplicated mods... duplicated mods everywhere... 23:24 jojoa1997 gtg will post in forum 23:24 marktraceur Clippers....the NBA will come after you for trademark infringement :P 23:24 Menche marktraceur: lol. if changing player skins becomes possible someone must make a shaving / haircut mod 23:25 Uberi :O 23:25 kaeza Menche, add it to the upcoming GTA:MT when mauvebic adds cars lol 23:25 kaeza also: tatoos :) 23:27 Exio well, having a car, weapons, etc will be useless if you are alone in the world :3 23:28 sokomine john_minetest: +1 (at least i understand that word. i'm not sure about all the synonyms of that thing in english :-)) 23:28 marktraceur Exio: We'll send really unskilled law enforcement after you if you grief :P 23:28 Menche police mobs that chase players who have a weapon wielded? 23:29 kaeza lol marktraceur. also make them so by entering house they leave you alone 23:30 sokomine well...if the police mobs could chase griefers away? 23:31 sokomine but since the very game seems to be kind of about car-griefing it maybe won't make sense :_( 23:38 mauvebic mother in law just called - and on a totally unrelated matter, a wild six pack appeared! lol 23:39 mauvebic im thinking of adding hot dog trees to plantlib 23:40 NakedFury yummy 23:40 mauvebic http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/01/14/2212242/swedish-school-makes-minecraft-lessons-compulsory?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter 23:40 Exio my bot posted it in my channel 23:41 Exio wth? 23:41 NakedFury god damn I wish I was a swedish school kid 23:41 Menche wow 23:41 mauvebic considering minetest is free software 23:42 mauvebic and our mods totally kick their mods' asses 23:42 Menche im getting ads for minetest themed coffee mugs 23:42 Menche after visiting that site once 23:42 mauvebic push it on the schools as a learning instrument lol 23:42 NakedFury mauvebic they still have a bunch more kick ass mods than us 23:42 Menche but minecraft mods are harder to install 23:42 erlehmann Menche gibe coffee mug thingy? 23:42 mauvebic well they prolly dont make 5 or 6 versions of the same mod lol 23:42 mauvebic but still 23:43 Menche you have to put the files inside the jar archive 23:43 NakedFury for now menche but they still have a BUNCH of super cool mods 23:43 Menche apparently a modding api was on the way 23:43 NakedFury and you never play alone, even in single player[mobs] 23:43 NakedFury it is being built 23:44 NakedFury with hammers and nails 23:44 Menche minetest beat them by a long shot :) 23:44 mauvebic well we can get there if we keep rewriting better and better versions 23:44 Menche i think jungles were added to minetest before they were added to minecraft, could mojang have gotten "inspiration" from somewhere? 23:45 mauvebic imagine though, if they wanted to teach programming, the minetest would actually be a better place to start 23:46 mauvebic who cares where he's getting his ideas from? its not like we havent cloned all their best mods lol 23:46 Menche and the redstone activated lamp was added to mc after mesecon activated lightstone 23:46 Exio i think minetest will "compete" with minecraft with biomes and more survival stuff by default 23:46 erlehmann ideas are cheap 23:46 erlehmann execution matters 23:46 Exio at least some farming stuff in default 23:46 xrendan How do I compile it on linux when I try to follow this guide http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1082 it can't find a lot of the packages 23:46 Menche xrendan: what linux do you have? 23:46 Exio farming mods already exists, there should be one by default 23:47 NakedFury we should do a Unified Expansion to minetest. make a bunch of mods with the word unified+modname 23:47 mauvebic lol 23:47 xrendan Oh Im on ubuntu server 11.04 23:47 Uberi I just wanna see unifiedinventory in default 23:48 NakedFury 2013 the year of the unified expansion 23:48 NakedFury then 2014 the year of the more expansion 23:48 Menche which packages can't it find? 23:48 mauvebic lol 23:49 NakedFury what other words we can use later? 23:49 frogcrush Is there a /giveme for a bucket of water? 23:49 NakedFury try /giveme default:bucket_water or water_bucket 23:50 Uberi it's bucket:bucket_water 23:50 xrendan build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev E: Package 'libpng12-dev' has no installation candidate libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev 23:50 Uberi maybe buckets 23:50 Menche or default:water_source 23:50 Uberi yeah if you don't want the bucket 23:50 frogcrush Thank you soooo much, Uberi! 23:50 kaeza or default:cake; I love cake 23:51 Menche xrendan: try searching for libpng? 23:51 mauvebic if you want a leg up on MC youd be better off offering different types of worlds 23:51 kaeza init: PING 23:51 init PONG 23:52 Uberi no problem :) 23:52 xrendan It couldn't find it 23:53 init the buckets are in other mod 23:53 kaeza YAY more unknown blocks! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_997707793.jpg 23:54 Menche xrendan: sorry i don't know that much about ubuntu, I'm on arch now. I do see libpng12-dev on packages.ubuntu.com so i think it *should* be there 23:54 kaeza they look creeeeeepy 23:54 Menche does it list anything besides "no installation candidate"? 23:55 xrendan Menche: thanks I'm thinking that it doesn't have the repositories installed so I'll go see if that works 23:58 Menche xrendan: doesn't it say "no installation candidate" when it's a virtual package? 23:58 Menche My debian server has a different message when it can't find something 23:59 xrendan Menche: I'm not sure I haven't used linux in a while I'm a bit rusty 23:59 qata hi 23:59 qata wtf is this 23:59 Uberi hi