Time Nick Message 00:00 kaeza +1 though 00:00 ruskie iqualfragile, if I get a highlight I read it 00:01 ruskie anyway it's 01:00 and I've been trying to get to sleep for the last 2 hours 00:01 ruskie back to trying to 00:01 iqualfragile :D sleep well 00:10 VanessaE sapier1: formspec for mobs would work for entities (minecarts) too, wouldn't it? 00:15 mauvebic water has to be under pump only? 00:16 sapier1 @vanessaE yes 00:16 VanessaE mauvebic: I think it can be under or next to it 00:17 VanessaE sapier1: nice. 00:17 VanessaE we're gonna need that for carts to actually become useful besides a way for the player to follow a predefined path 00:18 thexyz sapier1: better ask for review in -dev 00:19 sapier1 @thexyz ok 00:25 TB|Vibe-X so i iwll go sleep. have a nice night ;) 00:25 VanessaE night 00:42 mauvebic im not crazy about the new full water level: placing a pump above it makes it look hovering 00:42 VanessaE yeah, me neither 00:42 VanessaE the same thing happens to waterlilies, seaweed, anything else that's raillike or signlike 00:42 mauvebic engine or lua change? 00:43 VanessaE engine change - shaders. 00:43 VanessaE I suppose I could extend the bottom of the node by exploiting the visual_scale= parameter.. 00:43 mauvebic so theres no way to set water level to 100% of the node? 00:43 VanessaE yeah, turn shaders off. 00:44 mauvebic anything that can be fixed? 00:44 VanessaE I'm not sure how, but yeah it's fixable in the shader files used in the game 00:45 PilzAdam c55 said it should be done in c++ and not in shaders 00:45 Exio grrr, is anyone having 'over swap usage' of minetest when joining a server with a lot of mods? 00:46 Exio | ram: 117/877 | swp: 1467/580 | 00:47 Doc22_ i think (someone correct me if im wrong) that it means that your hard drive's swap partition is too small 00:47 Exio mt runs smooth, 55~ FPS, but that is annoying :P 00:47 Exio Doc22_: 2 GB aren't enough? wut 00:47 Doc22_ a lot of mods can easily take up that much 00:47 Doc22_ but im not sure 00:47 Doc22_ thats all I can think of 00:47 VanessaE well that sucks...visual_scale is ignored when using nodeboxes :( 00:48 Exio Doc22_: for me it is weird because mt runs smooth ... i dont have any lagspike or whatever 00:48 Doc22_ nonono 00:48 Doc22_ swap wont affect fps 00:48 Doc22_ swap is what is used for copying /moving files 00:49 Exio ? 00:49 Doc22_ in this case, installing them 00:49 Exio uh? 00:49 Doc22_ (the mods) 00:49 Doc22_ and it cant hold it all at once 00:49 Doc22_ its part of the hard drive partition 00:50 Exio Doc22_: i think you don't get my point 00:50 VanessaE Doc22_: um, no. that's not what swap is normally used for. it is used for programs that need to allocate memory but can't if the physical RAM is already entirely spoken for (or nearly so). When that happens, the OS maps some swap space on disk into memory and uses that to operate from. In theory, only old, seldom-used code gets pushed out to swap first, so that physical RAM can still be used for programs that are actually ru 00:50 VanessaE nning. 00:50 Exio heeey VanessaE 00:50 Doc22_ hmm 00:50 Doc22_ well im not an expert 00:51 Doc22_ thats why I added (correct me if im wrong) 00:51 Exio i started writing something like that 00:51 Doc22_ just throwing stuff out there lol 00:51 Exio :( 00:51 VanessaE if you have 1024 MB of RAM and you ned to allocate say 1500 MB of RAM for whatever programs are running, about 500 MB has to be pushed off to disk, so the OS will start by moving data out of memory that hasn't been used in a while. 00:51 VanessaE need* 00:53 VanessaE (assuming that there are no >1024MB chunks that MUST be locked into RAM) 00:54 VanessaE and yes, operating out of swap most definitely WILL kill your FPS if there's enough swap activity, especially if some of Minetest's code has to operate from there. 00:54 Exio or at least it will cause some 'lagspike' when loading the stuff 00:55 VanessaE Exio: that depends on how much has to be recalled into physical memory at any one time. 00:56 VanessaE if you're talking about thousands of little 1MB lumps of data filling up your swap, you'll probably see it as erratic, low FPS. If it's big chunks (say over 10MB), it'll look more like lag. 00:57 Exio ah, yeah :P 00:58 Exio :D i found my first legit mese 00:58 VanessaE cool 00:59 Exio i found a lot of mese when playing in creative, but never in 'survival' :P 00:59 jojoa1997 VanessaE: hamgover over? 00:59 jojoa1997 *hangover 00:59 VanessaE heh 00:59 VanessaE I'm not hungover at all actually. 00:59 VanessaE but I was sure drunk last night :D 01:01 Doc22_ lol 01:04 Kacey back 01:04 Doc22_ hi 01:05 Kacey ooh hai 01:05 Doc22_ VanessaE do you know about shaders? 01:05 VanessaE no 01:05 Doc22_ ok 01:05 VanessaE I only know they exist, that's uit] 01:06 Doc22_ who would I ask 01:06 VanessaE it* 01:06 Doc22_ lol 01:06 VanessaE I don't know how they work, not sure who to ask either 01:06 VanessaE maybe Taoki 01:06 Doc22_ ok 01:07 Doc22_ Taoki[laptop]|aw where would be a good place for me to learn about shaders for GLSL 01:07 Kacey this thing makes fowarding ports hard 01:07 Doc22_ what thing 01:07 Kacey fraking ie 01:07 Doc22_ lol 01:07 Doc22_ get firefox 01:07 VanessaE so use firefox or chrome :-) 01:08 Kacey again not my computer 01:08 VanessaE so go use yours then 01:08 Doc22_ i bet hes not at his 01:08 VanessaE obviously 01:08 Kacey mine is cooling off 01:08 Kacey still 01:08 Kacey it was overheating bad 01:09 VanessaE time to buy a new cooler then 01:09 Kacey it cant fit anything new it is too small 01:09 VanessaE you haven't looked hard enough - if it's a PC, someone somewhere has an appropirate cooler for it 01:10 VanessaE appropriate* 01:10 Kacey look up the asus aspire one 01:10 Kacey that thing is tiny 01:10 VanessaE oh, netbook. 01:10 Kacey it can hide in a dictionary it is so small 01:11 VanessaE that notebook is under recall for overheating problems. 01:11 VanessaE you need to contact Acer immediately. 01:11 VanessaE er, nevermind 01:11 Kacey mine never overheated until today 01:11 VanessaE that's for some microphone cable thing 01:12 Kacey i left it on for 5 days in a row 01:12 Kacey it started melting the tv tray it was on 01:12 VanessaE shit 01:12 Kacey but it is still hot 01:13 VanessaE have you opened it up and checked for dust/hair clogging the vents/cooler? 01:13 Kacey 5 days of nonstop running... hmm i wonder why it overheated 01:13 VanessaE that doesn't mean anything. 01:14 VanessaE computers are supposed to be able to run for months to years at a time, even a laptop should be able to handle a few weeks' worth of operation. 01:14 Exio asus? 01:14 Exio aspire one? 01:14 Kacey it is soo small that it kinda heats up fast 01:14 Kacey acer is what i meant 01:14 Exio i have an ACER aspire one 01:14 Exio i'm playing in it 01:14 Kacey mine ran windows xp 01:14 Kacey then i went to xubuntu 01:15 Exio try with some real distro 01:15 kaeza|jEdit wine can now run operating systems? wow 01:15 Exio lol? 01:15 kaeza|jEdit mine ran windows xp 01:15 kaeza|jEdit lol 01:15 VanessaE Kacey: comprehension FAIL :) 01:16 Exio or font fail 01:16 VanessaE kaeza|jEdit: ^^ 01:16 Exio m != w :P 01:16 kaeza|jEdit .. 01:16 kaeza|jEdit lol 01:16 kaeza|jEdit fcking fractional font metrics 01:16 Kacey my acer ran xp is what i meant 01:17 kaeza|jEdit the m seems like a w lol 01:17 kaeza|jEdit nvm 01:17 Kacey i need a new video card for it, but nothing new will fit lol 01:17 * kaeza|jEdit goes back to designing a new poprocn machine mod 01:18 kaeza|jEdit popcorn* 01:19 VanessaE Kacey: anyway, either return the netbook for servicing while the warranty is still in effect, or open it up and clean out the dust. that's probably why it's overheating. Get some Arctic Silver heat sink compound and clean off and replace that which is on your CPU cooler. 01:19 VanessaE (open it and your warranty will be no good, of course) 01:20 Kacey i got it from a pawn shop but it ran just fine 01:20 VanessaE well obviously there's no warranty now. 01:20 VanessaE crack it open and clean it up. 01:20 VanessaE computers are like that - they work great for a while, then suddenly something stops working right. 01:20 Kacey i need a battery for it 01:20 * Kacey is tired of having to keep it plugged in all the time 01:21 VanessaE what's the model number? 01:21 Kacey uuuum idk let me check 01:21 Kacey on the battery or computer? 01:21 VanessaE the computer 01:23 Kacey KAV60 01:23 Kacey is what it says 01:24 VanessaE looks like about $26 from feebay 01:25 VanessaE actually make that about $16.56 01:25 VanessaE http://www.ebay.com/itm/Notebook-Battery-for-Acer-Aspire-One-10-1INCH-8-9INCH-9-A0A110-D250-KAV10-KAV60-/350602715824?pt=Laptop_Batteries&hash=item51a18ce2b0 01:25 Kacey $189.99 from the pawn shop for everything 01:25 VanessaE free shipping out of NJ 01:26 Kacey i need one here in colorado preferably in pueblo 01:26 RealBadAngel to mars too? ;) 01:26 VanessaE RealBadAngel: possibly, if you don't mind waiting about 5 years to get it ;) 01:26 VanessaE Kacey: um...just order it? 01:26 VanessaE (or have parents do it) 01:27 Kacey we dont order onlineanymore 01:27 VanessaE why? 01:28 Kacey we ordered something and never got it for a couple years and when we got it, it was broken in every spot possible 01:28 VanessaE for a couple of years?? 01:28 Kacey ya 01:28 VanessaE that's a ridiculous time to wait 01:28 VanessaE try again. 01:28 Kacey uuum no 01:29 VanessaE one bad experience should not dissuade you from buying online from reputable merchants. 01:29 FreeFull One of the other players doesn't seem to move from the point of view of my client 01:29 VanessaE FreeFull: he's probably using 0.4.3 01:31 jojoa1997 im back 01:31 FreeFull VanessaE: Nope, 0.4.4 01:31 FreeFull Seems to be related to extreme lag I'm getting, but other players move around fine 01:31 FreeFull Restarting minetest doesn't help 01:31 PilzAdam FreeFull, is the player attached to a boat or cart? 01:31 Kacey afk going to fix other computer 01:34 FreeFull PilzAdam: No 01:34 FreeFull I think it's just the lag 01:38 Exio do you have mobs in the server? 01:39 sdzen|burnt Or L system trees 01:39 sdzen|burnt or whatever they are called 01:39 kaeza anyone likes this? It was done for a friend, but it could be useful for others as well: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-teather_decor.png 01:40 VanessaE mmm popcorn 01:40 kaeza :P 01:40 Kacey oops dont close the computer lol 01:40 sdzen Kacey thats why you only order online from trusted distributors 01:41 sdzen my rule is if it has more good reviews then bad it tends to be trustable 01:41 Kacey im looking up what video card i need for my computer 01:41 kaeza VanessaE: here's the DL if you like it: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-teather_decor.zip 01:42 kaeza no craft recipe yet 01:42 LAD VanessaE??? 01:42 PilzAdam kaeza, idea for crafting: corn from farming mod + a cd for "pop" ;-) 01:42 LAD hmmm 01:43 kaeza lol 01:43 LAD i've put my mod on the forums but would like to ask help to make a crafting resipe for it 01:43 kaeza hmm 01:43 VanessaE hi LAD. 01:43 kaeza glass+corn 01:43 VanessaE what mod? 01:43 LAD my new one 01:43 LAD http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4294 01:43 moltenbot LAD's link: [MOD]ruby_pick[ruby] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 01:43 LAD just made it 01:43 LAD yea that's it 01:43 sdzen rice krispies plus corn 01:44 sdzen snap crackle pop 01:44 LAD just wounder if i would get help with resipe codeing? 01:44 Kacey make a pot and then put corn in it lol 01:44 VanessaE LAD: well you need to start by finding a way to get rubies in the first place - it seems a little silly to make a ruby pick without them :-) 01:44 sdzen get some pot from the weed mod 01:44 sdzen put some corn in that 01:44 Kacey lol no 01:45 LAD yup 01:45 sdzen why not? 01:45 LAD im working on the code for the block 01:45 Kacey because that would basically be has 01:45 VanessaE LAD: that said, maptools Admin Pick does the same thing... 01:45 Kacey hash* 01:45 LAD and stugling on how to make them drop ruby fragments 01:46 LAD yea i know 01:46 LAD but look better :P 01:49 PilzAdam sapier1, you know that you can edit an existing pull request and dont have to close it? 01:49 Kacey i had an idea 01:49 sapier1 no I don't is this possible after rebasing too? 01:50 PilzAdam sure, you just push to the same branch the pull request was made 01:50 PilzAdam (maybe you have to force update) 01:50 PilzAdam but the pull request automatically updates when you push to the branch 01:51 sapier1 I see :-) great 01:52 sapier1 seems to work without inventory reference ... probably guiFormSpecMenu needs some cleanup :-) ... I still haven't succeeded in adding detached inventory callbacks from lua :-( 01:52 sapier1 don't know whats wrong if it's doing wrong with detached inventorys from lua or a bug in my changes 01:52 Exio does armor protect you from 'lava' damage? 01:53 Exio or fall damage? 01:54 PilzAdam sapier1, monologues about engine dev should be done in -dev 01:55 sapier1 I was hoping to find someone using detached inventories ;-) 01:56 FreeFull Exio: sdzen: Seems it might have been the morewater mod 01:58 Kacey 2-bit decoder to 4-bit decoder :) 01:59 Exio FreeFull: good to know :P 02:03 Kacey 2-bit done... 02:06 kaeza Kacey: SCREENIES?? 02:06 kaeza you're driving me nuts 02:06 kaeza :P 02:06 Kacey not yet i am going to do something very awesome 02:07 Kacey im going to inout the 2 bit decoder into a 4 bit decoder 02:07 VanessaE you mean a 2-to-4 decoder, not 2-bit-to-4-bit ? 02:08 Kacey no 02:08 Kacey i am making a 2-bit decoder 02:08 VanessaE (as in two bits in = 4 select lines out) 02:08 VanessaE http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/combinational/images/demux000.gif 02:08 VanessaE as in this? 02:08 Kacey that inputs its output into a 4-bit decoder 02:08 Kacey 0 will not be an output but ooh well 02:08 VanessaE 2 bits of input can only give you 2 bits of output, or 4 select lines, or some blend thereof. 02:09 Kacey here i will show you when i am done 02:13 Kacey crap it wont work 02:14 Kacey :( 02:15 VanessaE screenshot of your circuit? 02:15 Kacey idk what im going to do now :( 02:16 Kacey ok hang on 02:17 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vZ3dybw/screenshot_219… 02:17 Kacey why must it not work? 02:17 kaeza Kacey: black screen? 02:18 Kacey black scren? 02:18 Kacey crap let me try again 02:19 Kacey hmm cant take screens apparently 02:21 Kacey VanessaE: you were right 02:22 VanessaE of course I am. 02:22 VanessaE actual wire-and-chips electronics is a hobby of mine :-) 02:23 Kacey well i am off to make this 2-bit decoder into a seven segment display 02:24 VanessaE have fun 02:24 Kacey never 02:25 Kacey aha i have an idea for this 02:25 Kacey 4 more microcontrollers needed for it and an extra lever but who cares? 02:27 Kacey hah its gonna work :-d 02:28 PilzAdam going to sleep now; bye 02:28 Kacey bye 02:30 Exio wtf, tin duplicated itself when smelting it 02:30 Kacey tehe free tin lol 02:32 Kacey oops made it a little commplicated 02:33 Kacey ooh well 02:36 * Kacey wants to learn how to make a ripple counter 02:39 Kacey is there such thing as a 1-bit decoder? 02:39 sapier1 1-bit? 02:39 sapier1 bool? 02:40 Kacey idk 02:40 kaeza hmm, who is this guy? http://minetest.net/forum/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=3933 02:40 moltenbot kaeza's link: Posts by tao of badass1 (Page 1) - Minetest Forums 02:40 kaeza he just keeps saying "thank you" everywhere 02:40 kaeza for no reason at all 02:40 Exio thanks you 02:41 hmmmm he's very thankful 02:41 Exio nah, no idea really 02:41 sapier1 saying thank you is never bad ;-) 02:41 hmmmm well in this case it is 02:41 hmmmm some forum spam bots have this thing where they'd post some innoccous posts first and wait a little while after registering 02:42 sapier1 i thought same thing 02:42 hmmmm i've actually seen this thing before 02:42 hmmmm 95% sure this guy is a spambot, but i'd wait before i ban him if i were you 02:43 VanessaE seems legit :) 02:44 kaeza his second post may be considered legit 02:44 kaeza but the others are just nonsense 02:47 kaeza aaaaaand another innocuous post 02:48 mrtux Is it possible to make a world in minetest without using a GUI? 02:48 iqualfragile1 aaand ban 02:48 iqualfragile1 mrtux: shure 02:48 mrtux okay 02:48 iqualfragile1 just use bin/minetestserver 02:49 mrtux ah okay 02:49 mrtux thanks 02:49 * mrtux hasn't played minetest in a while 02:49 VanessaE seems to me you only need to run the server and give the world a new seed in the appropriate file 02:55 mrtux yeah 02:55 mrtux I'm starting to play minetest more often now 02:55 mrtux it's running a bit better on my POS computer 03:02 Kacey cornernote's stuff is still up 03:19 mrtux Is it possible to make an airplane mod for minetest? 03:20 VanessaE sure, there's already the UFO mod 03:20 kaeza mrtux: yes 03:20 kaeza ninja'd 03:21 VanessaE ninja'd again :D 03:21 kaeza :) 03:21 mrtux ah ok 03:21 mrtux lul 03:21 mrtux I could mod it a bit 03:21 mrtux nodeboxes 03:21 mrtux etc 03:21 VanessaE models. 03:21 mrtux Good idea! 03:21 VanessaE we use 3d models now for stuff like that :-) 03:22 mrtux Are there any free software programs i can use to make nodeboxes/3d models for minetest? 03:22 VanessaE blender I suppose 03:22 mrtux ah 03:22 mrtux I'm sure you can do it in AutoCAD 03:22 mrtux but 03:22 VanessaE you need to be able to export to .x format 03:22 mrtux It's not free 03:22 mrtux ah 03:23 mrtux kaeza: your computer mod is going on my server :P 03:23 sapier1 you can do it in blender too ;-) 03:23 kaeza mrtux: +1 03:23 mrtux ah okay 03:23 sapier1 oops already mentioned by vanessae sorry 03:23 VanessaE heh 03:23 * mrtux will install blender and hope if his computer can take it 03:24 VanessaE sapier1: so, how long until you start importing OpenArena models for your MOBF modpack? :-) 03:24 RealBadAngel lol, using AutoCAD to design nodeboxes would be like tryin to kill a fly with a nuke ;) 03:24 sapier1 hmmm ... good idea :) 03:24 kaeza mrtux: blender is too slow for work (or too bloated), try this: http://anim8or.com/main/index.html 03:24 moltenbot kaeza's link: Anim8or, free 3d animation software 03:25 mrtux okay 03:25 mrtux thanks 03:25 kaeza you'll still need blender to export it to .x though 03:25 mrtux Is there source code? 03:25 mrtux I'm not going to use it if I can't have the source :P 03:26 kaeza Anim8or is not open source 03:26 kaeza it's freeware 03:26 * mrtux will not use 03:27 mrtux I'm choosing free and open source software mainly because I'm switching to GNU/Linux sometime soon 03:27 kaeza blender then :) 03:28 mrtux yeah 03:34 kaeza LOL: http://cheezburger.com/6934251008 03:34 moltenbot kaeza's link: GTFO 2012 - Cheezburger 03:35 mauvebic im guessing you fixed the spigot textures? :P 03:36 VanessaE fixed? 03:36 VanessaE I didn't know they were b0rk3d :-) 03:36 * Kacey eats a cookie nom nom nom 03:36 VanessaE I fixed the models ages ago 03:36 * VanessaE seels Kacey's cookies 03:36 VanessaE steals even. 03:37 Kacey O.o no. 03:37 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2705393629 03:37 VanessaE mine. *nom* 03:37 * Kacey begins biting VanessaE 03:37 mauvebic whats the texture order? 03:37 VanessaE mauvebic: well shit - I forgot about that 03:37 mauvebic no biggie i can fix from here 03:37 VanessaE +Y -Y -X +X -Z +Z I think 03:38 VanessaE oops, other way 'round 03:38 VanessaE +Y, -Y, +X, -X, +Z, -Z 03:38 * Kacey is still biting VanessaE 03:38 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1416 03:38 mauvebic its spigot_sides,pipe_end,spigot_sides,pipe_end,spigot_sides,sigpot_sized 03:38 * VanessaE shoves kacey aside 03:39 VanessaE yeah that's why 03:39 VanessaE I forgot to turn them around when I changed the default orientation of the spigot 03:39 * Kacey stares at VanessaE for a little 03:39 Kacey O.o 03:39 mauvebic theres should only be 1 pipe_end? 03:39 kaeza VanessaE used Supersonic. Kacey bites himself in the confusion 03:39 * Kacey walks off 03:39 VanessaE mauvebic: one sec 03:39 Kacey i need more cookies 03:39 VanessaE now you force me to look at my sources :-) 03:40 VanessaE yep I did that wrong 03:40 VanessaE lemme fix it and push a quick update 03:41 mauvebic i did: 03:41 VanessaE tiles = { 03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png", 03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_pipe_end_empty.png", 03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png", 03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png", 03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_pipe_end_empty.png", 03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png" 03:41 VanessaE }, 03:41 mauvebic "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png", 03:41 mauvebic "pipeworks_pipe_end_empty.png", 03:41 mauvebic "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png", 03:41 VanessaE that's the correct order. 03:42 kaeza|jEdit FLOOOOOOOOOD 03:42 VanessaE lol 03:42 kaeza|jEdit :P 03:42 sapier1 get into emergency rescue boats immedeatly 03:42 mauvebic well the last pipe_end is for the side connecting to another pipe? 03:42 kaeza|jEdit not in PilzAdam's, these boats are buggy as hell :P 03:43 VanessaE yes 03:43 sapier1 ok then we have to swim 03:43 VanessaE there, fix pushed. 03:43 * OldCoder is resting now 03:43 * Kacey returns with cookies 03:44 * VanessaE steals kacey's cookies 03:44 VanessaE *nom nom nom* 03:44 * noone cares 03:44 kaeza|jEdit lol J/K 03:44 kaeza|jEdit GIVE ME A COOKIE! 03:44 * VanessaE gives kaeza|jEdit some cookies 03:44 mauvebic its weird how the flow reroutes itself when you cut some pipes lol 03:44 * Kacey plays thunderbolt on VanessaE 03:44 * VanessaE distributes the rest evenly to others in channel 03:45 * Kacey finds his hidden cookie 03:45 Kacey kept it for a reason 03:45 * kaeza|jEdit grabs the cookie nom nom 03:45 VanessaE mauvebic: can you put your fork on github and pull-request it when you're ready? it'll be easier for me to merge your changes then :-) 03:45 * Kacey begins screaming 03:46 * VanessaE gives kacey a cookie 03:46 VanessaE :D 03:46 * Kacey eats the cookie quietly 03:46 Kacey nom nom nom 03:46 kaeza|jEdit *** A website gives Chromium a cookie 03:46 kaeza|jEdit :P 03:47 * Kacey finishes the cookie 03:47 * Kacey sits quietly staring at everyone 03:47 mauvebic Have you considered splitting vacuum into a seperate or addon mod? 03:47 Kacey 8| 03:48 VanessaE actually I thought about it briefly, but didn't see a reason to do so really 03:48 Kacey afk i have to go make POPCORN 03:48 mauvebic i put all 4 scripts together to work on it easier, but i only copied the pipe related stuff 03:48 * VanessaE secretly hides all of kacey's popcorn 03:51 mauvebic i couldnt get the pump to works yet 03:51 mauvebic the spigot is like outlet but with one connecting side so thatll be done tonight 03:53 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/rubber_trees.png 03:53 RealBadAngel new technic rubber trees 03:55 VanessaE nice 03:55 VanessaE but why the jungletree texture? 03:55 VanessaE oh wait, that's not :-) 03:55 Kacey and why so dense? 03:56 kaeza because it's a Kacey tree 03:56 kaeza :P 03:56 Kacey im not dense 03:56 Kacey im the density of water 03:58 * Kacey is enjoying the popcorn 04:00 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I'm too lazy to learn L-systems. Code a proper jungle tree like the ones in bas080's mod :-) 04:00 VanessaE and conifers while you're at it 04:02 RealBadAngel ok, i will try 04:03 RealBadAngel rubber tree update is already merged to technic, together with some fixes 04:11 * Kacey wants more popcorn 04:12 Kacey ^.^ 04:13 sdzen|tablet nice tree 04:14 sdzen|tablet I already made something like those jungle trees but I lost the variables I used 04:15 sdzen|tablet I know it looks nice with the angle set to 1 though 04:17 kaeza anyone knows why recipes show up in craft guide but you cannot craft the items? 04:18 mauvebic spigots are go :-) 04:19 kaeza I try to make a glowglass, but the recipe doesn't work 04:20 kaeza it says "-!- Server: no recipe for" 04:20 kaeza but the recipe shows up in craft guide 04:20 Exio craft guide? 04:21 kaeza Unified Inventory or stand-alone mod 04:21 Exio does it work with inventory_plus? 04:21 Exio anyway, going to sleep, i will check later 04:22 kaeza Exio: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2334 04:22 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Mod] Craft Guide [craft_guide] - ingame craftrecipe viewer (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 04:22 kaeza oh sorry 04:22 kaeza good night 04:22 Kacey night 04:28 VanessaE RealBadAngel: um, can you explain this? 04:28 VanessaE screenshots coming in a sec... 04:29 VanessaE RealBadAngel: why does THIS: 04:29 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001012013%20-%2011:30:18%20PM.png 04:29 VanessaE produce THIS: ? 04:29 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_4186300686.png 04:30 VanessaE the actual code: http://pastebin.com/UrveuThU 04:30 VanessaE what am I doing wrong here? 04:32 Kacey GANGNAM STYLE!!!!!! 04:35 mauvebic what is this, gundam style i keep hearing about? 04:35 VanessaE nfi. 04:35 Kacey youtube it 04:36 mauvebic hmm, looks retarded lol 04:37 Kacey lol 04:37 mauvebic oooh but i found a nice christmas light show to that tune 04:38 Kacey how many outputs would a 3-bit decoder have? 04:38 VanessaE 8. 04:38 VanessaE look up the 74LS138 04:38 VanessaE "3 to 8 decoder" 04:38 Kacey alright obviously my math was wrong 04:39 Kacey i noticed with the 2,4,8 and so on decoders were exponential 04:39 VanessaE yup 04:39 VanessaE a 4 bit input would decode to 16 outputs. 04:39 Kacey but 3 is not 04:40 VanessaE 1 bit decodes to 2 outputs. 2 bits to 3. 3 to 8. 4 to 16, 5 to 32, and so on. 04:40 Kacey 2 bits to 4 04:40 mauvebic bit pow 2 04:40 VanessaE er yeah 04:40 VanessaE 2 to 4, sorry. typo 04:41 Kacey bit^2 but not 3,5,so on 04:41 Kacey or 1 04:41 VanessaE right 04:41 Kacey only even bits i gues 04:41 VanessaE 2 ^ #bits 04:41 VanessaE = # of outputs. 04:41 mauvebic well for every position there are two possibilities so i (think) bit pow 2 04:41 VanessaE 2 to the power of #bits. 04:42 Kacey ooh i see i had it backwards 04:42 VanessaE hence, 2^8 = 256. 04:42 mauvebic yep that 04:42 mauvebic lol 04:42 Kacey i was thinking bit to the power of 2 04:42 mauvebic math teachers used to complain i solved my problems in reverse lol 04:42 mauvebic still trips me up sometimes lol 04:43 Kacey lol 04:43 VanessaE dman it where did RealBadAngel wander off to?? 04:43 VanessaE damn* 04:43 Kacey my math teachers complain that i do the problems wrong but i still get the right answer 04:44 mauvebic lol true that 04:44 VanessaE they complain because eventually your wrong method will actually lead to the wrong answer :-) 04:44 mauvebic half points 04:44 mauvebic alot of bleeding exams with 99.5% lol 04:44 Kacey my method changes per question 04:44 mauvebic i have a knack for reverse engineering stuff 04:45 Kacey i never miss besides for the ones that require suurface area of cones 04:45 Kacey me too ^^ 04:45 mauvebic when i was young my parents shit themselves when i took the TV apart 04:45 mauvebic they were amazed when i put back together and it worked lol 04:45 mauvebic i had no clue what i was doing either lol 04:46 mauvebic i wouldn't fuck around with flat screens tho, chemicals 04:46 Kacey lol i took the directv reciever apart without breaking the warranty 04:46 * Kacey likes licking plasma 04:46 Kacey lol 04:46 mauvebic my cat does that 04:46 mauvebic lol 04:47 mauvebic "no kitty that aint helpin" 04:47 Kacey your 3-eyed cat? 04:47 mauvebic 2' 04:47 Kacey aaw the plasma is defective 04:47 Kacey my dog can retrieve screwdrivers and other tools 04:48 Kacey just not the ones i need lol 04:49 mauvebic my cat you give her a brush, she brushes herself lol 04:49 mauvebic when i go to bed she hops in when i do and tucks herself in the blanket lol 04:49 Kacey when i go to bed, my dog brings me a wrench 04:49 mauvebic i dont want to know what for lol 04:50 Kacey idk i get tools randomly from her 04:50 Kacey i need a screwdriver, i get a socket wrench 04:50 mauvebic make her into an NPC lol 04:51 Kacey i need a hammer, i get a socket for a socket wrench 04:51 VanessaE damn it where is he 04:51 Kacey i need a socket wrench, i get a freaking hammer 04:51 Kacey sooo ya i never have the right tool 04:56 Kacey ok starting to program that 3-bit decoder 05:03 VanessaE oh, Is ee. Mapgen is griefing them. 05:03 VanessaE *sigh* 05:03 mauvebic what is the range of param1 (light)? 05:03 VanessaE 0-14 05:04 mauvebic weird im getting between 79 and 220 05:04 VanessaE did you set paramtype="light" also? 05:04 mauvebic its air 05:04 VanessaE oh wait 05:05 VanessaE hrm 05:05 mauvebic im looking at the node above to find light levels 05:05 VanessaE I'm wrong I think 05:05 mauvebic did it change w/ shaders? 05:06 mauvebic oh wait 05:06 mauvebic there's get_node_light 05:07 mauvebic much simpler lol 05:07 Kacey VanessaE: can i build a decoder on your server? 05:07 VanessaE sure I guess 05:08 Kacey okie dokie 05:09 Kacey oop dont have it cached lol 05:13 Kacey you should put the irc mod on your server 05:16 Kacey VanessaE: did you disable command blocks? 05:16 VanessaE ye 05:16 VanessaE yes 05:16 Kacey ok 05:21 mauvebic hydro plants ported to aeroponics: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3439029841 05:21 VanessaE nice 05:22 mauvebic i dont know if i should bring in the plants from farming/food or focus on making the ones i have into nodeboxes? 05:23 Kacey bbl 05:27 VanessaE keep 'em plantlike. 05:28 VanessaE nodeboxes don't look too good with plants except if you wanna do minecraft-like grass 05:29 mauvebic could be a PITA to texture too lol 05:34 mauvebic i think ill pool all the plants together and make a fairly standard library of it 05:36 VanessaE cool 05:45 Kacey back 05:51 Kacey anyone on? 05:51 kaeza b 05:51 kaeza wb 05:51 Kacey ty 05:51 VanessaE hi 05:52 Kacey hello 05:53 Kacey http://i48.tinypic.com/30adlbk.gif lol 05:55 Kacey http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_03/6.jpg nice 05:57 Kacey http://excellentpix.com/files/funzug/imgs/funnypics/onlyin_russia_29.jpg ok last one 06:02 Kacey ooh hai 06:02 kaeza1 hai 06:02 Kacey http://i48.tinypic.com/30adlbk.gif lol 06:02 Kacey [22:55] http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_03/6.jpg nice 06:02 Kacey [22:57] http://excellentpix.com/files/funzug/imgs/funnypics/onlyin_russia_29.jpg ok last one 06:03 Kacey check those out 06:03 Kacey http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/not_fdd3c5_2399081.jpg HAHA only in america 06:05 kaeza cool... a 10yr old playing with a sniper rifle 06:05 Kacey lol 06:06 mauvebic wow he's dressed like a fat black lady 06:06 mauvebic (leopard print leggins lol) 06:06 Kacey lol 06:06 kaeza lol 06:07 Kacey http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-soldiers-American-McDonalds-drive-through.jpg haha 06:08 kaeza meh 06:09 mauvebic you know what really scares me? 06:09 mauvebic alot of soldiers show up in those fail compilation videos lol 06:09 Kacey http://pigjockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fail-owned-insert-memory-card-sign-fail.jpg lol 06:09 Kacey ya they r kinda bumbling 06:09 us_0gb Hello! 06:09 Kacey hi 06:11 mauvebic http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ugandan%20Discussions 06:11 moltenbot mauvebic's link: Urban Dictionary: Ugandan Discussions 06:12 us_0gb "Moltenbot"? Is the IRC robot melting? 06:12 Kacey idk 06:13 kaeza Kacey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m0kkUi52dw&feature=player_embedded 06:13 moltenbot kaeza's link: GameStain - Year in games 2012 - YouTube 06:13 Kacey http://failatfailing.com/upload/16921-29914/misspelled-bump-sign-fail.jpg 06:13 mauvebic Three little maids from school are we 06:13 mauvebic Pert as a school-girl well can be 06:14 mauvebic Filled to the brim with girlish glee 06:14 mauvebic Three little maids from school 06:19 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=SUOgGFTpnxY 06:19 moltenbot Kacey's link: Minecraft - Video Game Therapist - YouTube 06:20 Kacey minetest will never end up like that 06:20 us_0gb MineCRAFT? Traitor. 06:20 Kacey no it is a funny video 06:20 Kacey crafting addiction 06:21 mauvebic i hate crafting lol 06:21 Kacey me too lol 06:21 mauvebic too many mods, nodes and crafts to remember lol 06:21 us_0gb True. 06:21 Kacey lol /giveme is soooooooooo much bette 06:21 mauvebic if you have to lookem up in the crafting guide too then its really out of hand lol 06:21 Kacey better* 06:21 us_0gb I play a fairly vanila game though, so it's easier. 06:22 mauvebic my wife likes the market i added 06:22 mauvebic dig random shit, sell it, buy what you need 06:22 us_0gb Nice. 06:23 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmCvnWj0_hc 06:23 moltenbot Kacey's link: Dick Figures - First Day of Cool (Ep #34) - YouTube 06:23 mrtux user@mrtux:~/minetest/bin$ ./minetestserver --port 12300 06:23 mrtux terminate called after throwing an instance of 'SerializationError' 06:23 mrtux what(): BanManager::load(): Couldn't open file 06:23 mrtux Aborted 06:23 mrtux uh 06:23 kaeza hehe love Dick Figures 06:24 mauvebic king of the hill +1 06:25 kaeza Kacey: have a disturbing night :) http://www.mondomedia.com/videos/eyes-cold-lemonade-blurb-2/ 06:25 mauvebic ok i have to port veggies bbl 06:27 Kacey nothing disturbs me anymore so HA 06:27 kaeza *i lied* 06:28 us_0gb Are vegetables supposed to be disturbing? 06:28 us_0gb Oh, sorry. I spaced that one. 06:29 mauvebic poop, only 3 of the vegetables have 4 stages of growth 06:29 us_0gb What vegetables? Is this some sort of other game? 06:29 kaeza us_0gb: http://www.mondomedia.com/videos/eyes-cold-lemonade-blurb-2/ 06:30 mauvebic sokomine wanted me to adds plants from farming and superfarming but most of them have 2-3 stages 06:31 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0QQPTo8mXw have a very disturbing night 06:32 moltenbot Kacey's link: hypno's lullaby - YouTube 06:34 kaeza meh 06:37 Kacey do you skip to the end of a video to check for a scary face? 06:44 mauvebic high tech lol http://www.zimg.eu/i/2669438327 06:45 us_0gb Wow, nice. 06:45 mauvebic 9 plants so far, i need to rewrite the plantlib to suit plants with < 4 stages 06:45 us_0gb How do you get the hydro seeds to grow on those? 06:46 mauvebic so long as the trays got water and theres light in the vicinity, it grows 06:46 mauvebic light level > 11 06:47 us_0gb On the version I have, you need promix and growlamps. Is mine outdated or something? 06:47 mauvebic i wrote it a long time ago yeah lol 06:47 mauvebic i had to do quite a few searches of ompldr to find it too lol the drive housing the originals died lol 06:48 mauvebic i still think my textures are crap but i can work on that 06:48 us_0gb That's not good. 06:48 mauvebic 7yr old hard drive that was root so many partitions/repartitions... its time came lol 06:48 us_0gb I like them ,but I'm not picky with graphics, so take that as you will. 06:49 us_0gb The textures, I mean. 06:49 mauvebic they dont need to be fancy, i just need to make them blend a little more with 32/64px textures 06:49 mauvebic even the underlying trays use 32px textures lol 06:50 us_0gb Will you be keeping the 16 pixel images available? 06:50 mauvebic not in the mod folder 06:51 mauvebic otherwise they get loaded along with everything else 06:51 Kacey well night all 06:51 mauvebic im sure there are texture packs for taste too lol 06:51 mauvebic *every taste 06:52 us_0gb True. Rabbi Bob has a seperate download available for different resolutions. You could do that if you wanted. 06:53 mauvebic 16px gives me headaches, its too much of one color 06:53 us_0gb His other resolution downloads only include the textures themselves, so it doesn't involve redundancy. 06:53 us_0gb I see. 06:54 us_0gb Too bad then. Non-16 pixel looks odd along with all the 16 pixel images. 06:55 mauvebic people can use whatever textures they want lol 06:56 us_0gb Yeah, but only if they have a way to GET said textures. 06:56 us_0gb That's okay. I'll just use your old ones. 08:33 markveidemanis HI! 08:33 markveidemanis who knows about nodenames and giveme? 08:56 * VanessaE wanders off to bed 08:56 VanessaE night all 08:56 kaeza night 09:41 mauvebic howdy 10:17 vibe-x gumo 10:26 kaeza hey all 10:26 kaeza I just discovered a bug/misfeature 10:26 kaeza IDK if it has been reported yet 10:31 Matrixiumn Hello 10:32 Matrixiumn What package do I install if I get "Could NOT find OpenGL (missing: OPENGL_gl_LIBRARY)" and yes I have tried "opengl" and "libopengl" and none of them existed (for me anyway) 10:35 kaeza hi Matrixiumn 10:35 kaeza gimme a sec 10:36 kaeza Matrixiumn: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83 10:36 moltenbot kaeza's link: minetest/README.txt at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 10:37 kaeza see that link 10:37 kaeza I think opengl is libgl1-mesa-dev 10:38 Matrixiumn Thanks :) 10:39 kaeza yw 10:47 markveidemanis_ hiiiiiiii 10:47 kaeza hey mark 10:47 markveidemanis_ my server is LIVE! 10:48 kaeza nice! 10:48 markveidemanis_ and i have a sky city 10:48 markveidemanis_ where i copied and pasted peoples houses:D 11:01 Matrixiumn I installed the libjpeg thing but: 11:01 Matrixiumn Could NOT find JPEG (missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR) 11:01 kaeza hm? 11:01 Matrixiumn During cmake 11:02 sapier you need to install libjpeg-dev 11:02 kaeza hello sapier 11:02 sapier hello 11:02 markveidemanis hello 11:06 TB|Vibe-X does someone know, what wield-image means? 11:06 TB|Vibe-X in lua file in mod "locks" 11:10 TB|Vibe-X ah alright, its the image that is used, while handling the item ;) 11:13 Matrixiumn I installed bzip2 11:13 Matrixiumn But I still get 11:13 Matrixiumn Could NOT find JPEG (missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR) 11:15 TB|Vibe-X where do you get it? while starting minetest? 11:15 TB|Vibe-X or want to compile yourself? 11:15 TB|Vibe-X then you need the dev packages 11:15 TB|Vibe-X on debian wiki : libjpeg12-dev package and dependencie are required when "missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR" 11:16 TB|Vibe-X this is needed maybe for you, if you use ubuntu or debian 11:17 Matrixiumn TB|Vibe-X: I'm compiling it on my Raspberry Pi to be used as a server and I get: E: Unable to locate package libjpeg12-dev 11:17 TB|Vibe-X which distri you use? 11:18 TB|Vibe-X and which version 11:18 Matrixiumn Raspbian (Basically Debian) 11:18 TB|Vibe-X debian squeeze 11:18 Matrixiumn Yes 11:18 TB|Vibe-X or which ;) cat /etc/isue 11:18 TB|Vibe-X kk 11:18 TB|Vibe-X http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libjpeg&searchon=names&suite=quantal§ion=all 11:18 moltenbot TB|Vibe-X's link: Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- libjpeg 11:18 TB|Vibe-X ah sorry not ubuntu 11:18 TB|Vibe-X mom please 11:19 TB|Vibe-X maybe you test libjpeg62-dev 11:19 TB|Vibe-X or libjpeg8-dev 11:19 TB|Vibe-X the problem is, that i dont know which file you need to include while compiling 11:23 Matrixiumn Error after error :( 11:23 Matrixiumn Could NOT find BZip2 (missing: BZIP2_LIBRARIES BZIP2_INCLUDE_DIR) 11:23 Matrixiumn TB|Vibe-X: ^^ 11:24 TB|Vibe-X which file do ths error while compiling? 11:24 TB|Vibe-X or what command do you use 11:25 Matrixiumn pi@raspberrypi ~/minetest $ cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 11:26 TB|Vibe-X kk 11:26 TB|Vibe-X moment 11:26 thexyz i doubt minetest client will work on rpi 11:27 ruskie iirc the engine is available for it 11:27 ruskie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvbht9xa98w 11:27 Matrixiumn thexyz: People have said the server works on it 11:27 moltenbot ruskie's link: Sneak preview of Irrlicht 3D engine running on the Raspberry Pi - YouTube 11:28 thexyz Matrixiumn: you should build with -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 then 11:28 TB|Vibe-X Matrixiumn, bzip2 ... you need the dev package 11:28 TB|Vibe-X not the bzip2 ;) 11:28 TB|Vibe-X for compiling you need the source and headr files which are in dev packages 11:31 OldCoder Good morning 11:31 TB|Vibe-X hi 11:33 markveidemanis good 11:42 kaeza morning OldCoder 11:45 OldCoder kaeza, hi 11:48 TB|Vibe-X woooow compiling successfully <3 11:49 TB|Vibe-X without merge player error shit 11:59 sapier does anyone know a way to identify a inventory by its reference? 11:59 kaeza what do you mean? 11:59 sapier detached inventorys have callbacks, those callbacks get a invref 12:00 sapier but invref given to callbacks ain't same as returned on create_detached_inventory 12:00 kaeza right 12:00 sapier why? 12:00 kaeza dunno 12:01 sapier how to know which inventory callback is called for? 12:13 kaeza maybe this question is stupid, but is it possible to implement shiny, mirror-like surfaces using shaders? they need not be truly reflective 12:15 Jeija I was trying that, and it should be possible somehow using shaders. I had some strange blueish reflection-stripes in the end, but I couldn't have realistic water refraction. However I managed to code water waves: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest/tree/shader_playground 12:15 moltenbot Jeija's link: Jeija/minetest at shader_playground ? GitHub 12:21 Obiewan1111 Anyone know how to make Smooth stone? 12:21 Obiewan1111 And hey! 12:22 kaeza Jeija: nice! can you show some screenshots? 12:22 kaeza Obiewan1111: cook cobblestone in a furnace 12:23 Jeija I should have something better than screenshots, let me search a video... 12:24 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUzyw1a7Ghs there you go 12:24 moltenbot Jeija's link: Minetest Water Shaders - Proof of Concept - YouTube 12:24 Obiewan1111 That is awesome! 12:27 kaeza Jeija: that's cool 12:30 jojoa1997 hello yall 12:30 kaeza hey jojoa1997 12:31 jojoa1997 everyone come join minetest.org 30010 12:31 jojoa1997 kaeza:hi 12:31 kaeza jojoa1997: I tested it. It's a pretty good world. 12:32 jojoa1997 yeah 12:32 jojoa1997 only problem is the craft guide doesnt want to work 12:33 TB|Vibe-X Jeija, whater shaders means waves? 12:33 TB|Vibe-X or is it some graphical thing? 12:33 kaeza jojoa1997: what do you mean? 12:33 TB|Vibe-X ah sorry wrong grammer, with shader waves are possible :D 12:33 kaeza grammar* :P 12:34 jojoa1997 what is the recipe for craft guide 12:34 jojoa1997 ss 12:34 jojoa1997 ss 12:34 jojoa1997 s 12:34 * kaeza is a grammar nazi 12:34 jojoa1997 s=stick right 12:34 kaeza yeah 12:35 kaeza are you sure it's installed? I also tried crafting it in 30004 with no results 12:35 jojoa1997 maybe it is not 12:35 TB|Vibe-X kaeza, as german like me, you write some words in another way 12:35 TB|Vibe-X when you think about german words and writing english :D 12:36 * TB|Vibe-X reboots ... 12:36 nyuszika7h hi, which is the official repo? minetest/minetest or celeron55/minetest? 12:36 kaeza celeron55 12:36 nyuszika7h ok 12:39 kaeza TB|Vibe-X: J/K 12:39 * kaeza is not german 12:40 Jeija still working on particles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB_wJbUaiJU 12:40 moltenbot Jeija's link: Particles for minetest - 4th version - YouTube 12:40 TB|Vibe-X but me ;) 12:41 TB|Vibe-X i just told, that when you think german, and writing english, sometimes some words are written wrongly 12:41 OldCoder NEWS: I am adding craft_guide, updating mesecons, animals go to more worlds. Any other changes? Speak now. 12:42 OldCoder NEWS I am shutting down worlds for backups 12:42 OldCoder and updates 12:48 kaeza OldCoder: minor fixes to IRC 12:49 OldCoder kaeza, I will update now, then 12:49 OldCoder kaeza, Is git updated? 12:50 Dopium hello 12:55 kaeza OldCoder: yes 12:55 kaeza Dopium: hey 12:55 TB|Vibe-X a question for lua coders, is it possible in minetest to use functions from other mods? modA e.g. has func_a can modB use func_a ? 12:56 TB|Vibe-X or are they seperated 12:56 kaeza yes 12:56 thexyz if that function is not local, then yes 12:56 jojoa1997 for the builtin_items mod this sets the dissapear to 0 right remove_items=0 12:56 TB|Vibe-X ahh okay thank you :) 12:56 kaeza but you must either depend on the mod or develop a clever way to detect it 12:57 TB|Vibe-X yeah of course ;) 12:57 kaeza and fail gracefully if it's not installed 12:57 TB|Vibe-X dependencies are used 12:57 sapier what do you think about this gui for a npc trader? http://ompldr.org/vZ3d4ZA 12:57 TB|Vibe-X i was happy about reading, that minecraft "Technic" mod is ported to minetest <3 12:57 kaeza sapier: :/ 12:57 TB|Vibe-X or was it stolen from minetest :D 12:57 sapier @kaeza not good? 12:58 kaeza too convoluted IMHO 12:58 sapier I'm not very talented in creating guis 12:58 kaeza you should add a label between the "Price/Selection/etc" row and the player inv 12:58 kaeza to separate it a bit 12:59 sapier proably reducing upper inv to 2 lines and moving "selection ... takeaway" up? 12:59 sapier maybe a trader selling 16 goods is fine enough 12:59 kaeza that could be another option 13:00 TB|Vibe-X just 1 more stupd question :/ is minetest able to create multiworld, or is there any plugin you know about? 13:01 thexyz wtf is multiworld? 13:01 TB|Vibe-X muliple worlds 13:01 TB|Vibe-X 1 default, and a second e.g. 13:01 TB|Vibe-X or third 13:03 FreeFull t 13:03 thexyz umm.. have you ever launched minetest? 13:03 thexyz yes, you can choose which world to play when starting the game 13:05 TB|Vibe-X sorry about this missunderstanding ;) i meant, if 1 server can manage more than 1 world, and is there a possibility to switch as player between them 13:05 TB|Vibe-X like in minecraft -> default, nether, end_world 13:05 jojoa1997 if LAD comes on can someone tell me 13:09 markveidemanis what is +v 13:09 markveidemanis or voice 13:10 sapier is this gui better? http://ompldr.org/vZ3d4aw 13:18 thexyz TB|Vibe-X: no 13:22 kaeza anyone knows what does this mean? 13:22 kaeza minetest/src/tile.cpp:503: virtual irr::u32 TextureSource::getTextureId(const string&): Assertion 'result.key == name' failed. 13:23 TB|Vibe-X thexyz, will it ? or is such a feature not interesting enough? i will have a look in the git :) 13:25 kaeza TB|Vibe-X: I believe RealBadAngel was working on something similar 13:26 TB|Vibe-X ahh okay, i will ask his/her (i think female? :D) 13:27 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 13:28 TB|Vibe-X hi pilz 13:44 TB|Vibe-X which mod @ john_minetest 13:45 TB|Vibe-X yeah, but there are some mods who let npcs create 13:45 TB|Vibe-X those should make trading possible 13:47 sapier @john_minetest there is a mod I just completed trader support for mobf, but can't do an official release until git pull is done 13:55 markveidemanis hi 13:55 markveidemanis !up minetest.org 30001 13:55 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30001 DOWN 13:55 markveidemanis 30010 13:55 markveidemanis dammit 13:57 markveidemanis !up minetest.org 30010 13:57 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30010 DOWN 13:59 ruskie [13:42:12] @ NEWS I am shutting down worlds for backups and updates 13:59 ruskie that was a bit over an hour ago 13:59 OldCoder Hi 13:59 OldCoder ruskie, I am making changes 13:59 OldCoder Good stuff 13:59 OldCoder <-- working hard for your happiness 13:59 markveidemanis hi 13:59 ruskie simply forwarding the message to markveidemanis that is looking for minetest.org servers 13:59 ruskie hehe 14:00 markveidemanis ? 14:00 OldCoder markveidemanis, Patience is a virtue 14:00 markveidemanis ok 14:00 markveidemanis ... 14:00 OldCoder markveidemanis, I am developing a server framework 14:00 OldCoder Every update is a step forward 14:00 markveidemanis ok 14:01 OldCoder It ain't easy keeping 19 worlds working and up to date with new stuff 14:01 OldCoder For example right now there is an interesting conflict between animals and curl 14:02 OldCoder Multiple animals have the sound file random_1.ogg 14:02 sapier @OldCoder conflict? 14:02 OldCoder That is a non-no 14:02 OldCoder That is a no-no 14:02 OldCoder Media files need to have unique names 14:02 sapier yes I've already fixed this 14:02 OldCoder Ah 14:02 OldCoder But not in the old version... I understand 14:02 * OldCoder considers possible workarounds 14:03 OldCoder Hmm 14:03 sapier mobf is becoming 2.0 soon I'm not quite sure if it's worth to fix it for 1.4 14:03 OldCoder I know 14:03 OldCoder Is there a patch I can backport? 14:03 OldCoder I need to get to RL work 14:03 sapier not quite have been to many places to fix 14:03 OldCoder Hmm 14:03 markveidemanis can ONE person go on markmt.strangled.net to test, just in and log out 14:03 OldCoder t y 14:04 markveidemanis NVM works 14:04 OldCoder sapier, If I simply delete random_1.ogg 14:04 OldCoder what will happen? 14:05 sapier you most likely get an error message at startup 14:05 sapier but it'll continue 14:05 OldCoder will the mod still work? 14:05 sapier i think so 14:05 OldCoder That is the best fix then 14:06 sapier @markveidemanis I'm joining ;-) 14:07 sapier no I'm not minetest just crashed 14:09 OldCoder Trying to restart worlds; new problem 14:11 sapier related to mobf? 14:11 OldCoder No 14:11 OldCoder One moment 14:12 OldCoder minetest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/init.lua: 14:12 OldCoder ...netest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/blocks.lua:678: 14:12 OldCoder attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_on' (a nil value) 14:12 OldCoder stack traceback: 14:12 OldCoder ...netest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/blocks.lua:678: 14:12 OldCoder in main chunk 14:12 OldCoder [C]: in function 'dofile' 14:12 OldCoder ...minetest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/init.lua:2: in main chunk 14:12 OldCoder markveidemanis, is this your doing? 14:12 OldCoder The new blocks mod? 14:12 markveidemanis ? 14:13 * OldCoder greps 14:13 markveidemanis bobblocks needs mesecons 14:13 OldCoder which I have just updated... 14:13 OldCoder Jeija said it would break crossings 14:13 OldCoder But should not break other things 14:13 OldCoder I will downgrade mesecons 14:13 markveidemanis ok 14:14 OldCoder markveidemanis, He said one line patch would fix incompatibility 14:14 OldCoder Any idea what that patch might be? 14:15 markveidemanis no 14:15 OldCoder k ty 14:15 markveidemanis im terrible at Lua 14:15 OldCoder k 14:18 OldCoder 14:18 OldCoder NEWS worlds restarted. Please test them! 14:18 markveidemanis are servers up? 14:18 OldCoder markveidemanis, ^ 14:18 markveidemanis !up minetest.org 30010 14:18 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30010 UP 14:18 OldCoder See what is broken now please 14:18 markveidemanis AYYA 14:19 markveidemanis YAY 14:19 OldCoder NEWS Mesecons update must wait until I can talk to Jeija 14:19 OldCoder It breaks all my worlds 14:19 * OldCoder is on an errand 14:19 OldCoder I will be here most of the day though 14:19 OldCoder marktraceur, Hi! 14:31 PilzAdam kaeza, do you use git? 14:32 kaeza yes 14:32 PilzAdam git log -1 14:32 kaeza k 14:32 PilzAdam will show you the last commit 14:32 PilzAdam (notice: its -[one] not l) 14:32 kaeza Sun Dec 23 17:16:46 2012 +0200 14:32 kaeza commit 0f1d2c127cd58aa9b1afa22769dcdaf8f71d05e6 14:33 kaeza I think it's a bit outdated... 14:33 PilzAdam thats 5 commits behind current HEAD 14:33 PilzAdam but this is the commit that should the attachment bug 14:34 Minetest-tan GIT: RealBadAngel (RealBadAngel) commited to celeron55/minetest: Bugfixes to item_image formspec method 36f03a7f4a 2013-01-02T06:29:08-08:00 15:08 iqualfragile sapier: maybee add mumies (mumien) 15:09 iqualfragile yeah, maybee even some litle pyramids 15:09 sapier @iqualfragile good idea but top priority is getting that pull into core 15:10 iqualfragile "that pull"? 15:12 ruskie iqualfragile, so wanted to discuss something about libertree or? 15:13 iqualfragile nope, i just saw you over there and thougt: where do you know that name from… 15:13 ruskie hehe 15:13 ruskie #libertree btw ;) 15:16 sapier https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/383 that one and here's a link what you can do with it http://ompldr.org/vZ3d4aw 15:16 kaeza sapier: +1 15:16 kaeza it's better organized that way 15:17 kaeza or is it not? 15:17 sapier @kaeza thanks it's based on your suggestions 15:18 kaeza oh stop it you! *blushes* 15:18 sapier by the way that inventory was shown by rightclicking the mob behind 15:18 Zeg9 sapier as I said, +10 15:18 kaeza yeah I see 15:18 kaeza excellent job 15:19 sapier still it's useless without that pull ;-| 15:19 kaeza now to wait for someone to merge that in 15:19 kaeza hehe 15:19 Zeg9 I hope it will be merged faster than my pull request... lol 15:34 sapier does anyone what would be best to interact with transport carts? .. punching accelerates, rightclick takes ... I've got now button left to open inventory :) 15:35 revolution in habitants of Gameboom, allow us to inform you that the Bad_Command's (aka BC) old place was transformed into a lovely public park with a recreational center underneath. Here are some pictures: http://imgur.com/a/EQ6Ky 15:35 moltenbot revolution's link: minetest revolution - Imgur 15:40 revolution this is our first public service announcement. good bye 15:44 OldCoder Hmm? 15:44 OldCoder What was that about? 15:46 sapier hmm probably we need a new channel "minetest-announcements" 15:47 iqualfragile or #minetest-de 15:49 OldCoder I'd like a copy of that map 15:49 sapier :-) that was idea behind ;-) 15:51 thexyz we already have 5 channels 15:52 thexyz #minetest, #minetest-delta, #minetest-dev, #minetest-mods, #minetest-doc 15:55 sapier hmm didn't even know about mods and doc channels :-) 15:56 sapier it wasn't a real suggestion but a joke ... not a good one obviously 16:05 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, there is a tab at the end of this line: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp#L820 16:05 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: minetest/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 16:05 thexyz the fact that overviewer renders http://overviewer.org/~agrif/oilblog/old.png in ~1.5s makes me slightly depressed 16:06 PilzAdam in wich language is it written? 16:08 thexyz PilzAdam: python & C 16:11 iqualfragile thexyz: pypy is strange, it requires a libary wich is only avivable on the newest ubuntu, so im having a litle bit of problems on my debian stable… 16:12 iqualfragile thexyz: maybee you could try using the gpu for rendering the maps, that would render the whole map in ~1/5 sec 16:13 thexyz ha, gpu + python 16:13 Zeg9 Yeah, pyopengl 16:13 Zeg9 ;) 16:15 Exio even java is faster than that 16:17 Zeg9 thexyz, is your script faster with pypy or doesn't it change anything? 16:17 jojoa1997 how do i revoke interact from someone 16:18 PilzAdam /revoke playername interact 16:18 Zeg9 thexyz, can your script run somehow with pypy ? :p 16:19 jojoa1997 not working 16:19 iqualfragile Zeg9: try it 16:19 jojoa1997 nvm 16:20 thexyz Zeg9: dunno, never tried 16:21 Zeg9 I'll try then - /me must figure out how to install pil for pypy 16:22 rubenwardy hi all 16:23 PilzAdam hey rubenwardy 16:24 Mika_R ERROR[main] : WARNING: updatelistener: invalid name 16:25 Mika_R ERROR[main] : WARNING: before createPlayingSound: invalid name 16:25 Mika_R anyone know what is the reason to those kind of errors and how to fix? 16:25 Mika_R Oldcoder ^ 16:26 iqualfragile Mika_R: what did you do before that happened? 16:26 Mika_R walk 16:26 iqualfragile did you install any new mods recently? 16:26 Mika_R no, only have the ones the server has 16:28 Mika_R at least 21 Error lines when i look in F10, 13 updatelistener errors and 8 before createPlayingSound 16:29 OldCoder R 16:29 OldCoder Mika_R, I know what that is 16:29 OldCoder Mika_R, still here? 16:29 Mika_R yes 16:29 OldCoder Mika_R, If that just started... 16:29 Mika_R yesterday when i got the game again 16:30 OldCoder Mika_R, It is a bug in Animals. Sapier1 has fixed it in new release but it is not stable or safe. He says the mod should continue to work. 16:30 OldCoder Indicate if Animals work or not. 16:30 Mika_R with /mods its not listed, don't know if redcrab has it here 16:30 OldCoder Mika_R, Then it is not related to my worlds? 16:31 OldCoder Mika_R, I can't comment in that case 16:31 Mika_R Oldcoder i tagged you cause you know a lot 16:32 Mika_R Everyone agree that this is cause of windows 16:33 NekoGloop Yes, because minetest is slowly becoming nonwindows compatible 16:33 thexyz ha-ha, ur fun 16:34 thexyz NekoGloop: seriously, remove highlight from "windows" word 16:34 NekoGloop I dont have a highlight on windows. 16:35 thexyz strange, it looks like you have 16:35 thexyz what "windows compatibility" are you talking about? 16:36 NekoGloop As in it will no longer run on windows. Because "open source is better" (in the sense that it can be hacked easily) 16:36 thexyz nope, it will 16:36 Calinou NekoGloop: it is still perfeclty windows compatible 16:37 Calinou sound works fine, the game itself works fine and is still quite fast 16:37 OldCoder Mika_R, ty! 16:37 Calinou minetest will probably never break windows compatibility else we would lose like 75% of players 16:37 PilzAdam onomatopoeia data for a mapgen v7 map: http://ompldr.org/vZ3d6eA/data.zip 16:37 thexyz NekoGloop: can you prove your words in any way? 16:38 thexyz PilzAdam: it doesn't support old mapblock versions ATM 16:38 PilzAdam it took 1 hour (!) to generate it 16:39 thexyz oh, you mean that 16:39 thexyz mapgenv7, let me check it 16:40 thexyz PilzAdam: can you send me that map? 16:42 PilzAdam thexyz, the map is 3.4 MiB smaller (!) than the data for the mapper 16:42 Mika_R got to go, bye 16:43 PilzAdam thexyz, map: http://ompldr.org/vZ3d6eg/v7.zip 16:43 thexyz PilzAdam: ty 16:43 PilzAdam and with the default mapper: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1999518607 16:44 PilzAdam thexyz, as you can see your mapper adds some huge white areas to the map 16:44 thexyz PilzAdam: I know 16:44 thexyz it's far from alpha 16:45 thexyz I already implemented stupidMakeTilesV2; it's ~3 times slower than stupidMakeTiles 16:45 thexyz still working on it 16:46 rubenwardy PilzAdam: ...apper: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1999518607 16:46 rubenwardy what are the gray areas? 16:46 PilzAdam can you also generate the image with the old mapper and add a button "Switch view" to the html interface 16:46 PilzAdam rubenwardy, stone 16:47 NekoGloop You've generated the mapblocks under the surface but not the surface, it seems. 16:47 thexyz PilzAdam: I don't think this feature is needed 16:47 NekoGloop Or took a hellaciously long time digging. 16:48 PilzAdam thexyz, just random ideas 16:48 Zeg9 You can easily modify the map.html 16:48 Zeg9 To add a link/button to switch view 16:48 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe add a second view from the other side 16:48 Zeg9 That would be nice but would take 2 times longer :D 16:49 thexyz the top priority for now is to make it generate map in reasonable time, all other feature-requests are rejected 16:50 Zeg9 Maybe with pyopengl it would be faster... 16:50 thexyz Zeg9: care to implement & test? 16:50 Zeg9 forget this idea 16:50 thexyz sure 16:50 Zeg9 lol 16:50 Zeg9 I'm trying to get it running with pypy 16:51 PilzAdam thexyz, now a real feature suggestion: export the images immediatly so people can see the this parts while its generating 16:51 PilzAdam -the 16:51 thexyz well, that's not the "right way" to make it fast, the right way is to think about faster algo to draw blocks 16:51 rubenwardy what are you doing, PilzAdam / thexyz? 16:52 thexyz PilzAdam: it already does, doesn't it? 16:52 PilzAdam lemme check 16:52 thexyz except that it only generates images for size 5 16:52 thexyz rubenwardy: https://github.com/xyzz/onomatopoeia/ 16:52 moltenbot thexyz's link: xyzz/onomatopoeia ? GitHub 16:53 PilzAdam thexyz, it exports the images but I cant see it in the web interface 16:54 thexyz PilzAdam: zoom in 16:54 thexyz rubenwardy: also http://minetest.ru/onomatopoeia/ 16:55 PilzAdam nope, I cant find anything 16:56 Zeg9 Fail at pypy: 16:56 Zeg9 transform = numpy.matrix(numpy.identity(3)) 16:56 Zeg9 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'matrix' 16:58 rubenwardy thats a great idea 16:59 rubenwardy I thought of doing it ages ago, but I did not think it would be worth it 17:00 thexyz why? 17:01 rubenwardy because the might as well just log into the game, i thought, and it would slow the server down 17:01 rubenwardy the way you made it look it much better, like a map 17:01 rubenwardy another reason is that I dont have the skill to do something like that 17:05 rubenwardy === vote === 17:05 rubenwardy what should the food mod contain next? 17:06 FreeFull Hmm 17:06 NekoGloop it should contain nuts. 17:06 PilzAdam food 17:06 FreeFull What kinda nuts 17:06 FreeFull I think hazelnuts sound good 17:06 rubenwardy nuts would be more of a tree mod thing 17:06 rubenwardy nuts found under trees with a 1/3 chance of finding a nut 17:09 rubenwardy cool, a poll mod has been added to the forum 17:10 PilzAdam theres also PM now 17:10 rubenwardy is there? awesome 17:13 rubenwardy PilzAdam, have you ever counted how many mods you have made? 17:13 PilzAdam yes 17:13 rubenwardy ... 17:13 PilzAdam it was something like 0.33 mods per day 17:14 rubenwardy lol 17:14 rubenwardy for me it is 0.000000000000003 mods a day 17:14 rubenwardy = 2 mods 17:14 rubenwardy traps and food 17:14 rubenwardy interesting combation 17:14 rubenwardy combination 17:14 * VanessaE wanders in for a few mins 17:15 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head 17:15 PilzAdam hi VanessaE 17:15 rubenwardy PilzAdam, you are certainly worthy of this medal several times over: https://github.com/rubenwardy/punbb_medals/blob/master/medal_types.php#L20 17:15 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: punbb_medals/medal_types.php at master ? rubenwardy/punbb_medals ? GitHub 17:15 Dopium hi vanessae 17:15 * PilzAdam puts a mushroom on VanessaE's head 17:16 * rubenwardy puts a hazelnut on VanessaE's head 17:16 * VanessaE looks at PilzAdam and grumbles 17:16 * NekoGloop puts a kitten holding a mushroom on PilzAdam's head 17:16 rubenwardy you are all nuts 17:16 * PilzAdam wants to eat the mushroom but accidently eat the kitten 17:16 rubenwardy * we are all mad around here * 17:16 PilzAdam oops 17:17 * VanessaE tosses the kitten in OldCoder's pile 17:17 NekoGloop OldCoder: "Help! I'm drowning in kittens!" 17:18 NekoGloop kitten: "wheeee~" 17:18 thexyz rubenwardy: is that "medals" plugin finished? 17:19 rubenwardy not yet 17:19 rubenwardy http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/147578/#p147578 17:20 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Making a Medal Extension: What is the hook for user bar (Page 1) -- PunBB 1.4 troubleshooting -- PunBB Forums 17:20 rubenwardy what are the bounds for a nodebox? is it 0.5 to -0.5? 17:21 thexyz rubenwardy: yes 17:31 rubenwardy what happens if a nodebox co-ord goes out of bounds? 17:32 OldCoder Hi 17:32 VanessaE the nodebox just gets bigger. 17:32 OldCoder Wait 17:32 VanessaE and the texture gets tiled across 17:32 OldCoder I don't have a pile of kittens any longer... somebody took them the other day 17:33 VanessaE so e.g. an X range of -0.5 to +1.5 would be two nodes wide and the texture would be tiled sideways 17:33 VanessaE OldCoder: oh, well in that case.. 17:33 * VanessaE grabs NekoGloop's box of kittens and pours some at OldCoder's feet 17:33 NekoGloop Oi! I was using that. 17:34 sokomine oldocder: just wait for nekogloop to come back with his infinite supply of kittens :-) 17:34 sokomine ah, ok, vanessae has access to them as well :) 17:34 thexyz rubenwardy: you shouldn't do that, it's evil 17:34 Obiewan1111 Anyone know when redcrab's server will be back online? 17:35 NekoGloop She just knows where i keep the kitten generator 17:35 rubenwardy i was just wondering so I would know if I make a mistake 17:35 sokomine my large bridges do that. it may happen that you fall down from them from one side. but it mostly works 17:35 PilzAdam rubenwardy, I dont recommend make nodeboxes bigger than one node, the textures look really ugly when you do it (to be more precise the texture gets sized to the size of one node and the "other" node just has the color of the last pixel in this direction) 17:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: not correct. 17:36 PilzAdam ehm 17:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, [citation needed] 17:36 sokomine let's say it works to a degree but may have unexpected side effects 17:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: the texture is repeated along the axis in question, see Home Decor mod refrigerator. 17:36 NekoGloop PilzAdam: That's fixed. 17:36 VanessaE that object is one 2-node-tall nodebox that exploits the tileable nature of its front/side/back textures. 17:37 Mika_R Sokomine, can you get on to redcrabs 30401? 17:37 sokomine mika: hi & i'll try 17:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: on my server, go into either of my houses, find the kitchen area, and look at the fridge :-) 17:37 sokomine oh, hm...seems i don't get connected either :-( hope it will be up again soon 17:38 sokomine rubenwardy: you seem to be one owner (the latest?) of the spawn area. do you know whom to contact to get a spot for the building school? 17:38 VanessaE sokomine, Mika_R: it's dead for me, too. 17:38 thexyz VanessaE: no, it's not repeated 17:38 rubenwardy you can contact me 17:38 VanessaE thexyz: yes, it is. 17:38 thexyz for me it's only repeated when cracks are shown 17:39 rubenwardy or cactuz 17:39 sokomine i just saw glass beeing stolen again yesterday. the nature of the theft indicates that it was rather a clueless player than a malicious griefer... 17:39 rubenwardy brb 17:39 sokomine rubenwardy: fine! hope it will get up soon again 17:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://www.zimg.eu/i/6992464 17:41 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_4233821853.png 17:41 VanessaE I counter with that ^^ 17:41 Mika_R sokomine, have you been thrown 5000 blocks from spawn when logging in? i spawned on top an other player and couldn't move, and then his character had some blocks in it, like if they were dropped and tangled in him 17:41 VanessaE (the same holds true for the default 16px texture also) 17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, are you crazy? you cant counter that; its a fact that one side doesnt work correclty 17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: then explain why it works for me? 17:42 sokomine pilzadam: those things may happen. but grapical glitches are common anyway. when running/restarting a world several times without exiting the game inbetween i loose more and more images and get more and more errors. even under normal circumstances there are random textures missing (i.e. whole block has the same color) for no apparent reason 17:42 sokomine mika had trouble with them yesterday as well 17:42 Obiewan1111 What texture pack is that Vanessa? 17:42 Obiewan1111 In the screenshot? 17:42 VanessaE Obiewan1111: HDX, 256px 17:42 thexyz sokomine: that's another glitch related to minetest not freeing all memory 17:43 PilzAdam sokomine, but this graphical glitch is caused by the nodebox; nothing else 17:43 sokomine mika: pretty normal these days, unfortionately :-( just log in again 17:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: maybe the glitch only happens on horizontal tiling then 17:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, if I show you that its not working, you cant counter that; thats logic 17:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: LOOK AT MY SCREENSHOT damn it 17:43 rubenwardy almost logged off my computer to reboot in ubuntu, then I remembered I had not yet done what I logged in to do 17:43 rubenwardy lol 17:43 sokomine pilzadam: check if it really applies to all sides or if there is another error. it definitely does work sometimes 17:43 Mika_R sokomine, got it fixed that way, but wondering how all these errors and problems all pop up now 17:43 PilzAdam yea, as I said above: i dont recommend to use it because it has definetly glitches 17:44 VanessaE so figure out a pattern to the glitches and avoid those patterns? 17:45 VanessaE the fridge in the screenshot is tiled vertically, your screenshot is horizontal - try it vertically and see what happens 17:45 sokomine mika: maybe connected to the new player attachment system. but that gave us 3d-players and carts :-) the bugs are less worse than those irritating 2d-players for me 17:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, are the textures resized? or are they just put on the nodebox if they are too big 17:46 VanessaE they are just put on straight. 17:46 VanessaE no resizing. 17:46 sokomine vanessa: that might be true. the fridge certainly works well and has a good, working texture. plus it goes up...not sideways. so trouble with the collision box not beeing large enough or working just from one side does not happen 17:46 VanessaE they are tiled (or supposed to be) in all directions to cover the whole nodebox 17:48 PilzAdam VanessaE, and again wrong: the textures are first resized at the size of a node and the repeated to match the nodebox 17:48 thexyz VanessaE: if you want to avoid that glitch, don't make nodebox bigger than node 17:49 thexyz what's the point of doing that, anyway? 17:49 PilzAdam try putting a 32x16 texture on an vertical two-node-nodebox 17:49 sokomine thexyz: doing objects that are larger than one node. e.g. the fridge 17:49 thexyz that should be done with multiple nodes 17:49 sokomine it might work less well with e.g. a bathtub 17:50 sokomine hmmm. i'd actually prefer doors to be one larger nodebox. it is strange when they flip open visibly as two parts 17:50 NekoGloop Do what adam did for his bigass pumpkin. 17:50 thexyz sokomine: but that's evil 17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: that's what I meant. 17:50 jin_xi sokomine: me to 17:50 jin_xi +0 17:50 VanessaE texture is sized to the node, sorry I guess I wasn't clear 17:50 jin_xi p 17:50 thexyz that's the most important difference between xdoors and xdoors2 17:50 jin_xi oh fuck it 17:51 sokomine thexyz: :-( but it is more pracital in some situations :) 17:51 thexyz for example..? 17:51 VanessaE how else would I create a single object with one inventory, that's two nodes tall? 17:52 thexyz VanessaE: detached inventory 17:52 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4299 < opinions? :D 17:52 moltenbot Calinou's link: [Map] Some kind of tutorial map (Page 1) - Maps - Minetest Forums 17:52 sokomine mostly furniture things. right now i plan to do a teleporter and would like to take that one as much space as the player needs to make sure that there is enough space for incoming players. plus it would look better 17:52 VanessaE well all I know is, it works fine for me and everyone else who's used the homedecor mod. 17:53 thexyz well, then you'll have to manually check all node placements to make sure no intersections with other nodes occur 17:53 VanessaE so your argument is invalid until you try it exactly the way I did. 17:54 sokomine anyone constructing such overly large nodes has to make sure that the replaced parts are air, yes. but that ought to be enough? 17:54 thexyz VanessaE: no, u 17:54 thexyz Nodes are the bulk data of the world: cubes and other things that take the 17:54 thexyz space of a cube. 17:54 thexyz (cube = 1x1x1) 17:54 sokomine hm, yes. from a programmers point of view it may be really evil :-/ from a players point of view it is great :-) 17:55 Calinou from an hard disk's view, it is the same :> 17:55 Calinou thexyz: not all nodes are 1x1x1... nodeboxes :P 17:55 thexyz um? 17:56 sokomine well, smaller than a node might not be a problem at all :-) 17:56 thexyz they don't have to be cubes, they have to take space of single cube 17:56 NakedFury they all take that space in the game because you cant place 2 smaller nodeboxes in the same place 17:56 thexyz as API doc says 17:59 sokomine there had been some situations where i wished for two nodeboxes in the same space. my houses have a smaller magnification factor than most other houses compared to real ones. but too many nodes make the game load slow - and i can't see most of the normal stair+-stars anyway :-( 18:00 sokomine but how about the doors? they might work as enlarged nodeboxes. it might just be that they are less efficient at closing off a space at the upper part 18:02 Calinou the countdown is over on ubuntu.com, site is overloaded 18:02 Calinou \o/ 18:02 Calinou tablets ftw 18:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: well? did you try tiling in other directions? 18:04 Obiewan1111 is this good or bad Calinou? 18:05 Calinou heh, I don't care anyway 18:05 Calinou it's not like I use tablets 18:05 Calinou because the whole countdown thing is about unity on tablets IIRC 18:05 Obiewan1111 Ubuntu for android looks pretty neat. 18:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, I dont need to test it anymore because I already proofed that there are glitches 18:06 VanessaE PilzAdam: you proved that there are glitches only along one axis and one face - didn't you see that the top face, X axis was okay? 18:06 VanessaE (in your screenshot) 18:07 VanessaE if you're gonna be anal about whitespace at the end of a line of code, I'm gonna be anal about your generic claims of "glitches" without adequate testing. 18:08 VanessaE (well, X axis as I saw it in the screenshot, not sure which actual in-game axis that was) 18:09 * Calinou updated his signature accordingly 18:09 Calinou someone said that on #ubuntu 18:11 Mika_R Sokomine,VanessaE: 30401 is up 18:12 VanessaE cool 18:15 thexyz >Ubuntu now fits your phone 18:15 thexyz huh, where can I download it for my GNex? 18:17 marktraceur thexyz: You can buy all Ubuntu-compatible phones at your local Apple Store :P 18:18 sokomine does it work for android phones as well? 18:18 TwilightSparklee wut 18:18 TwilightSparklee thexyz: Ubuntu for Nexus 7 18:19 sokomine mine has not enough ram for anything useful i'm afraid :-( 18:20 sokomine those phones ought to be able to accept more ram :-) 18:31 jordach hey all 18:32 VanessaE bbl, hi Jordach. 18:32 PilzAdam hi jordach 18:32 VanessaE time to go pay some bills 18:32 * jordach isnt at home again 18:32 jordach VanessaE: place it on the duck! 18:32 jordach heya Jeija 18:33 Jeija hi 18:36 jordach Jeija: how much further have you got on with your particles? 18:36 sfan5 particles? 18:38 PilzAdam Jeija's particles are simply awesome! 18:38 jordach RealBadAngel: how did you find the water / lava can bug in technic 18:40 Calinou marktraceur: since when apple's bootloader is unlockable 18:41 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB_wJbUaiJU that's what I got with particles 18:41 moltenbot Jeija's link: Particles for minetest - 4th version - YouTube 18:41 jordach \o/ 18:41 TB|Vibe-X hi guys / girls 18:42 jordach hey TB|Vibe-X 18:42 jordach hows the server (is it even working)?? 18:42 TB|Vibe-X mine? 18:42 jordach mhm. 18:43 TB|Vibe-X im working on it. i registred minetest.de yesterday :D 18:43 TB|Vibe-X before any other will ;) 18:43 TB|Vibe-X does someone know, if i can build a deb package / ubuntu package from source (git) ? 18:43 jordach Herzlich Willkommen auf Ihrer Website! 18:43 jordach fix me. 18:43 TB|Vibe-X yeah im at work :D 18:43 sokomine (we might eventually switch this channel to german :)) 18:44 TB|Vibe-X are more germans here? :D 18:44 PilzAdam +1 18:44 TB|Vibe-X auf zur blitzübernahme :D 18:44 jordach no. 18:44 jordach hell no. 18:44 sokomine yes. a whole bunch of them :-) feels sometimes like half of us are german 18:44 PilzAdam Ha, jordach ist aus GB 18:44 sokomine ,-) 18:44 TB|Vibe-X and pilz from german? 18:45 sokomine ich auch... 18:45 jordach PilzAdam: MUSHROOMS! 18:45 TB|Vibe-X this would explain, why Pilz :D i was thinking about, why he is called like german "mushroom " :D 18:45 bas080 no 18:45 bas080 -1 18:45 PilzAdam TB|Vibe-X, hast du schonmal meine forum signatur gesehen? 18:45 TB|Vibe-X dam you're faster :D 18:45 TB|Vibe-X nein kam ich leider nicht zu. ich hab es bislang nur mal überflogen und deine scripts gesehen *.* bin richtig begeistert 18:45 PilzAdam http://minetest.net/forum/profile.php?id=2443 18:45 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: PilzAdam's profile - Minetest Forums 18:46 marktraceur Calinou: It was a stab at Ubuntu's approach to Apple status. 18:46 PilzAdam "Do not call me Pilz; Call me PilzAdam or Adam." 18:46 bas080 Hey PilzAdam, why rewrite bones? 18:46 sokomine ich hab das nicht ganz ernst gemeint mit dem "wir koennten uns auch auf deutsch unterhalten". englisch sprechen alle... 18:46 bas080 Ik houd van een pilsje 18:46 PilzAdam bas080, you made the original one? 18:46 bas080 no... 18:46 TB|Vibe-X i know sokomine ;) 18:46 Calinou marktraceur: wait until 2014... ubuntu stores... there will be one in isle of man :) 18:46 jojoa1997 can anyone help me with this mod https://github.com/jojoa1997/peaceful_npc 18:46 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: jojoa1997/peaceful_npc ? GitHub 18:46 PilzAdam bas080, because the original code was a real mess 18:46 jordach a) this channel is for all english users 18:47 PilzAdam jordach, chill, we will change back to english 18:47 sokomine what about the peaceful npc? 18:47 bas080 PilzAdam, compared to what? 18:47 jojoa1997 i need to make them die in water' 18:47 * jordach noticed that english is the only accepted language in the freenode usage rules 18:48 sokomine poor npc :-) why? 18:48 sokomine if they are peaceful they might peacefully bath in water.... 18:48 jojoa1997 have you seen the underwater caves 18:48 jordach cant they SWIM 18:48 bas080 Everyone has his own style of coding... Some people use more lines i guess.. Is that wrong? 18:48 jojoa1997 or i can make them die after 2 minutes 18:48 jordach you know; hold space... 18:48 sokomine no. i usually prefer on ground 18:48 jojoa1997 i need to limit how many there are 18:48 PilzAdam ummm... https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/384 ... GitHub is somehow strange... 18:49 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: added TOCLIENT_SHOW_FORMSPEC in order to display formspec on client from... by sapier ? Pull Request #384 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 18:49 Kacey hello 18:49 sokomine hm. iirc pilzadams simple_mobs die if they get in contact with water? 18:49 jojoa1997 so it is either die in water or die after 2 minutes 18:49 jordach PilzAdam: was sapier given access? 18:49 PilzAdam sokomine, yep 18:49 PilzAdam jordach, no... ? 18:49 sokomine well, then have a look at those, jojoa 18:49 sokomine or teach them swimming :) 18:50 TB|Vibe-X does someone know, if i can build a deb package / ubuntu package from source or is there any tut? 18:50 jordach then how could it have been merged 18:50 sokomine might be fun as well 18:50 jordach Calinou: just solve his problem 18:50 jojoa1997 do you know how to make them die after 2 minutes 18:50 thexyz jordach: it wasn't merged 18:50 thexyz see, 0 commits 18:50 jojoa1997 that is prefered 18:50 sokomine vibe: i'm sure there is. i usually don't bother except for the kernel. best way ought to ask google? 18:51 jordach hey NekoGloop 18:51 Calinou TB|Vibe-X: use my one-line script http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3837 18:51 moltenbot Calinou's link: One-line script: installing/compiling Minetest git, Debian/Ubuntu/Mint (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 18:51 NekoGloop Ok, well the esper #minecraft's topic is interesting. 18:52 sokomine jojo: you could make them remember when they where "born" and save that timestamp. whenever they do anything (i.e. change direction) you might check the current time against this timestamp and let them die. there are other mechanisms as well 18:52 jojoa1997 ? 18:52 jojoa1997 sorry dont understand bbs 18:52 TB|Vibe-X Calinou, building the bins from source is not the problem 18:52 TB|Vibe-X but i wanted clean packages :) so i will have a look 18:53 TB|Vibe-X i get the "failed to merge player" only on debian squeeze -.- on ubuntu 12.04 (Virtual machine) all run fine 18:53 TB|Vibe-X and i am able to join :D so i will change to ubuntu tonight 18:53 jordach why, people connecting to your server will be probably be using 0.4.4 18:54 sokomine on debian it runs fine as well. maybe you're missing packages. it can be difficult to locate the necessary ones. i had to search a lot as well :-( but i don't remember which ones where required 18:54 TB|Vibe-X there are no dependencies errors while compiling 18:54 sokomine ok 18:54 TB|Vibe-X its just the "failed to merge player" error, no idea why 18:54 TB|Vibe-X with the same commands i compile from source like on debian 18:54 TB|Vibe-X but on ubuntu it run fine 18:55 jordach strange 18:55 TB|Vibe-X you can just see the error, while you connect on server 18:55 TB|Vibe-X maybe old libs on my server or something strange :/ 18:55 jordach works for me on xubuntu, mint12, ubuntu.. 18:55 TB|Vibe-X ubuntu runs find for me too 18:55 TB|Vibe-X just squeeze makes this strange error 18:55 jordach :O 18:55 sapier ubuntu is a pain in the ass if you do use multiple monitors 18:56 TB|Vibe-X not really o.O 18:56 * jordach loves being 1280x1024 18:56 sapier not talking about 2 18:56 TB|Vibe-X we work in our company (provider) with buuntu only 18:56 TB|Vibe-X servers, routers, virtualization, and clients 18:56 TB|Vibe-X webserver and so on :D all work fine 18:56 sapier as of 12.10 I couldn't even play minetes because of ubuntu wasn't able to handle mouse correctly 18:57 TB|Vibe-X 12.10 is shit :D 18:57 TB|Vibe-X the best was 10.04 LTS with gnome 18:57 TB|Vibe-X 12.04 is okay so far, but 12.10 :-! 18:57 TB|Vibe-X no way 18:57 sapier I've ben using ubuntu for years but starting with unity integration ubuntu started to degrade 18:58 TB|Vibe-X yeah, i was thinking about changing my laptop to fedora 18:58 sapier and 12.10 drove me to switching distri 18:58 TB|Vibe-X but im unsure at the moment :/ 18:58 TB|Vibe-X to? 18:58 sapier debian 18:58 sapier a little bit oldfashioned but stable 18:59 sokomine i'm still just using icewm and not kde, gnome, unity or anything like that (though there might be libs installed for the first two). never saw much point in a gui except starting programs 18:59 Minetest-tan AttributeError: object has no attribute 'href' (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/feedparser-5.1.2-py2.6.egg/feedparser.py", line 424, in __getattr__) 19:00 thexyz fuck 19:00 thexyz sfan5: 19:01 sokomine sapier: did you get further with the duck? 19:01 jordach ehm, who activated the bot 19:01 jordach oh right 19:01 jordach c55 commited something 19:02 sapier @sokomine no I managed to get formspec support to core :-) 19:02 sokomine oh :-) that sounds good! 19:02 sokomine what exactly can it do now? can it be called from a function in lua? i started doing something there but didn't get far yet 19:04 sfan5 thexyz: ... 19:04 thexyz it seems it's time for another windows build 19:04 Minetest-tan GIT: celeron55 (Perttu Ahola) commited to celeron55/minetest: Call this 0.4.4-d1 because it has a protocol addition since 0.4.4 b7de864f2e 2013-01-02T11:03:47-08:00 19:05 thexyz sure 19:05 sokomine what does the new commit do? 19:05 thexyz which one? 19:05 thexyz https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master 19:05 moltenbot thexyz's link: Commit History ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 19:06 sokomine the one you're talking about :-) 19:06 thexyz hm.. i wasn't talking about any commit in particular 19:06 sokomine and i'm especially intrested in sapiers formspec improvements 19:06 thexyz yes, that one just got merged 19:06 thexyz sokomine: what's your OS, btw? 19:07 sokomine debian 19:11 sokomine ah yes. one of the main reasons i wanted better formspecs is for npc. especially the peaceful npc. the animals don't really need it (there isn't much point in talking to them or trading :-)) 19:16 OldCoder Back 19:17 sapier its MOBF :-) ... not only animals ;-) 19:17 Kacey wb OC 19:17 OldCoder ty 19:17 Kacey yw' 19:17 * OldCoder puts up a "Kittens Seek Homes" sign again 19:17 * Kacey reads the sign 19:18 Kacey hehe food 19:18 * sokomine grabs one of the kittens (better take it than having one put on ones hair :-)) 19:19 * Kacey grabs the rest and runs off 19:19 sapier in 1.9.8 mobf a trader npc is included ;-) 19:19 Kacey sweet 19:20 sapier it's not spawning atm :-) 19:20 sokomine ohhh! yes! a trader-npc is good :-) that is what i wanted (plus the ability to "talk" to the npc) 19:20 sapier at least not automaticaly 19:21 sokomine is it an animated model or a nodebox-npc? 19:21 iqualfragile sapier: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...mods/minetest/animals_modpack/mobf_settings/init.lua:426: attempt to concatenate global 'playername' (a nil value) 19:23 iqualfragile since your newest update 19:23 sapier yes mobf_settings was completely rewritten ... i should update my inventory_plus version 19:25 iqualfragile so for now: mv mobf_settings .mobf_settings ? 19:26 Kacey afk 19:26 Kacey bbl 19:26 sapier I've pushed a fix 19:27 iqualfragile great 19:28 sapier those lines got inverted using player name prior fetching it won't work 19:28 thexyz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4240 19:28 moltenbot thexyz's link: xyz's Minetest win32 builds (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 19:29 Exio git build? 19:30 TB|Vibe-X i saw, that the last commit for minetest changed "Protokoll number" does this change something between latest stable client and newest commited server? 19:30 PilzAdam TB|Vibe-X, the client only gets a warning message if a mod calls show_formspec() 19:31 TB|Vibe-X ah okay 19:37 thexyz Exio: yes 19:38 Exio i saw, nice 20:13 sokomine oh, hi redcrab :-) 20:13 * sokomine tries to sell redcrab a bunch of mods for his server :) 20:14 * marktraceur undercuts any price sokomine offers redcrab 20:14 marktraceur I'm practically GIVING these mods away! 20:14 marktraceur Oh wait, I am! 20:15 sokomine :-) 20:16 sokomine please don't missunderstand. what that is intended to say is that redcrab ought to install some more mods that would be very useful on his server :) "selling" as in convincing him to take them :) 20:19 sokomine regarding the jungletrees: those 4-nodes-thick ones have 4 further nodes stretching out at the bottom which looks a bit like roots. can that be done with treegen as well? would be nice 20:35 marktraceur sokomine: I totally understand, not to worry 20:44 mauvebic pipeworks-wip/plantlib/aero 1st version: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2323 20:44 moltenbot mauvebic's link: [modpack] Aeroponics [010213][alt-pipeworks-wip][plantlib][aero] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 20:54 Minetest-tan GIT: celeron55 (Perttu Ahola) commited to celeron55/minetest: Add InvRef:get_location() 69bd803a32 2013-01-02T12:53:55-08:00 21:02 Dopium minetest.org what a bunch of wanker admins 21:06 thexyz Dopium: wut? 21:08 Dopium they said i griefed but never had and never will i build epic stuff not destroy it, sorry im abit pissed about it 21:19 Minetest-tan GIT: celeron55 (Perttu Ahola) commited to celeron55/minetest: Add ServerEnvironment::setNode()/removeNode() to allow setting nodes from the C++ side with proper script-defined initialization/destruction 2c472a66d1 2013-01-02T13:18:14-08:00 21:20 Obiewan1111 Can someone explain to me about the licensing bit when releasing a map? 21:21 Obiewan1111 And how do you destroy panes from Jordach's panes mod. 21:21 Obiewan1111 ?* 21:28 jojoa1997 w/join ##mtmarktwain 21:31 Dopium i cant talk in game he revoked my privs 21:32 Dopium im so pissed i never touched nothing 21:33 Muadtralk which server? 21:33 Muadtralk Dopium 21:33 Obiewan1111 Dopium; What server is this? 21:38 PilzAdam minetest.net seems to be down 21:38 PilzAdam does anybody else have troubles to load the page? 21:39 thexyz PilzAdam: yes, it's down 21:41 Muadtralk wait 21:41 Muadtralk i was just on! 21:41 Muadtralk checking 21:41 thexyz I probably should add minetest.net uptime to servers.minetest.ru 21:41 thexyz that'd be fun 21:42 * marktraceur is ashamed of the new LPGC uptime stats 21:42 thexyz hah 21:43 thexyz well, I'm too lazy to make it only count last month 21:43 marktraceur I was away from my desktop for four days, and five minutes into that period, BAM, server crash 21:45 Obiewan1111 Guys.. Imagine this scenario.. Please. 21:46 Obiewan1111 Say I make a really big map, seriously big, infact and upload it, if I put liscence: WTTPL (Or whatever that is), is it completely legit? 21:46 Obiewan1111 What does the licence even mean? 21:46 marktraceur Obiewan1111: How do you want people to be able to use the map? 21:47 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you want them to re-release different copies of it, with modifications? 21:47 jeffrash john_minetest, you around? 21:48 jeffrash Just thinking about something for Zeg9's world or any other I guess 21:48 thexyz john_minetest: yep 21:48 thexyz and the whole minetest.ru 21:48 thexyz and dev.minetest.net too 21:48 jeffrash not sure if it's been done before but what about a public power planet 21:49 PilzAdam btw: dev.minetest.net isnt down 21:49 thexyz of course it isn't 21:49 thexyz because it's hosted on same server as minetest.ru 21:49 thexyz not on minetest.net 21:49 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you only want them to be able to read (or explore) it? Or should they be allowed to release their own versions of it with changes? 21:50 jeffrash john_minetest, I just created a array of 30 waterwills 21:50 thexyz john_minetest: sure 21:50 thexyz oh, forums are up again 21:50 jeffrash I did it on my server 21:50 PilzAdam minetest.net is up again 21:50 jeffrash not setup for you to connect there 21:51 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Talk in here, please. This could be useful to others. 21:51 Obiewan1111 I want them to able to explore my map, but not release versions of it with changes.. 21:52 thexyz then -ND is your friend 21:52 thexyz (aww, you're so evil) 21:52 thexyz why don't you want them to release own versions? 21:52 Obiewan1111 You'll see when I finally upload it. 21:53 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Is there a reason you want to prevent distribution of derivatives? 21:53 thexyz saying that you are the author of the original one 21:53 Obiewan1111 Erm.. 21:54 Obiewan1111 Well, It's going to be a huge map. 21:54 Obiewan1111 And I'm going to video myself editing it. 21:54 Obiewan1111 And making it. 21:54 marktraceur Obiewan1111: All the more opportunity for someone to change parts and re-release--why not let someone do that if they want? 21:55 Obiewan1111 You know what. Ok. :D 21:55 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you want to allow resale of the work or its derivatives? 21:56 Obiewan1111 Sorry, what? Simplified version please. 21:57 RealBadAngel youre talkin bout a licence on a map? 21:57 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you want someone to be able to sell a copy of the map? The classic example is someone selling CDs with a work on it to cover the costs of CD burning and transportation. 21:57 thexyz -NC is evil too 21:57 thexyz don't be evil 21:57 marktraceur thexyz: I agree, but I'm not about to mislead Obiewan1111 just because he may have different ideas 21:57 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, cc-by-sa <- here you go 21:57 Obiewan1111 No, I don't want them to sell my work, but they can re-release it with certain tweaks. 21:58 OldCoder Hi 21:58 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Can I ask why you don't want someone to resell the map? 21:58 thexyz why don't you want them to sell your work? 21:58 thexyz oh 21:58 OldCoder NEWS Mark Twain world reverted to fix griefing 21:58 thexyz i'm late 21:58 OldCoder Come back in 21:58 Obiewan1111 Because they earn money... 21:58 thexyz so..? 21:58 Obiewan1111 Unless they give it me, no. 21:59 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Why is it bad for someone to earn money? 21:59 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, if you add share alike then people who sell this have to say the customers: "There is also a free version of this" 21:59 PilzAdam *free as in free beer 21:59 Obiewan1111 It's like being the Phone manufacturer "Apple", they steal ideas and get paid the most money throughout all the Phone manufacturing companies. 21:59 marktraceur PilzAdam: Not really, no 22:00 PilzAdam marktraceur, its a bit simplified 22:00 marktraceur PilzAdam: You could sell a GPL'd software and not tell people about the no-cost version 22:00 RealBadAngel hmmmm. who is actually selling and buying minetest maps? 22:00 Obiewan1111 That's a good point! 22:00 PilzAdam marktraceur, dont we talk about cc? 22:00 thexyz what's the problem with someone selling this? people can still obtain your "free" version instead of buying another one 22:00 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Nobody, but we're trying to determine the licensing intent of someone who hasn't dealt with licenses beforre 22:00 Obiewan1111 Right, so what licence? 22:01 thexyz RealBadAngel: i don't think hmmmm knows 22:01 RealBadAngel wtf pl 22:01 thexyz so don't cast him here 22:01 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, cc-by-sa <- here you go 22:01 RealBadAngel lol 22:01 marktraceur Obiewan1111: It sounds like CC-BY-SA would work fine. But I haven't asked all the questions I'd like. 22:01 RealBadAngel or wtflpl + donut 22:02 marktraceur Obiewan1111: The two remaining ones are, "Do you want people to release later versions under non-free licenses?" and "Do you want people to attribute the work to you?" 22:02 RealBadAngel do what the f... but send me a donut 22:02 Obiewan1111 Erm.. 22:02 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ 22:02 thexyz Obiewan1111: better release it under CC-BY-SA before getting buried with all marktraceur's questions 22:02 Obiewan1111 I chose CC-BY-SA! 22:02 Obiewan1111 Thank you.. 22:03 PilzAdam never talk with marktraceur about license 22:03 thexyz np 22:03 PilzAdam ;_) 22:03 PilzAdam *;-) 22:03 thexyz PilzAdam: are you going to merge your changes? 22:03 PilzAdam if its ok to you 22:03 marktraceur PilzAdam: I happen to think I'm a good resource in that regard--I know enough about the process to ask the right questions to arrive at a competent answer 22:03 thexyz PilzAdam: seems it works 22:03 marktraceur PilzAdam: As opposed to simply saying "Meh, CCBYSA" 22:04 Obiewan1111 I have to agree there. 22:04 PilzAdam marktraceur, you maybe ask a bit too much for newbies 22:04 Obiewan1111 And I have to agree there.. 22:04 PilzAdam when I first had to deal with licenses I was really happy when i found WTFPL 22:04 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, sorry for the tab, will remove it with next pathc 22:05 PilzAdam thexyz, i count this as a "yes" 22:05 thexyz yep, yep 22:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Newbies need the most questions, else they might be misinformed. If someone else had answered, Obiewan1111 might wind up licensing it under CC-BY-ND-NC or something equally insane. Or CC0. 22:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Or GFDL. As much as I love the idea of GNU, the FDL is kind of unnecessary. 22:05 sapier I like CC-BY-NC-SA for example ;-) 22:06 NekoGloop CC-BY-ND-NC is only fair to the developer. 22:06 sapier nd for non disclosure? 22:06 thexyz NekoGloop: typical windows user? 22:06 sapier no non distiburable 22:06 marktraceur NekoGloop: I suspect both opponents and proponents of the license would say the same thing, though with different emphasis :) 22:07 marktraceur sapier: No derivatives 22:07 thexyz NekoGloop: you forgot about No-Download 22:07 thexyz oh, wait, it's here 22:07 NekoGloop thexyz: No, the person who doesnt want his work thrown all over. 22:07 thexyz NekoGloop: no, you don't like freedom 22:08 thexyz as a typical non-free software user 22:08 NekoGloop freedom == anyone can steal your work and you cant do anything about it. 22:08 marktraceur Children children, simmer down 22:08 thexyz freedom is freedom 22:08 sapier freedom and freedom most times are different things ;-) 22:08 marktraceur Everyone has made their stances more than clear, we don't need to rehash it 22:08 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Change the nodenames for dirt -> grass and sapling -> tree abms to match the mapgen aliases 5a13c49492 2013-01-02T14:06:31-08:00 22:09 thexyz NekoGloop: minetest is free, go on, steal it 22:09 RealBadAngel you write for the community, and using what community does 22:09 marktraceur If Obie had held up under my questions about why he wanted to make his map non-free, I would have recommended ND or NC. Worry not. 22:09 PilzAdam hm, the bot only gets the latest commit if 2 commits at the same time are pushed 22:09 thexyz PilzAdam: yes, it only gets latest RSS entry 22:09 thexyz *she 22:09 marktraceur thexyz: Maybe use a timeout and dequeue one entry at a time? 22:09 NekoGloop "she"? 22:10 thexyz of course Minetest-tan is "she" 22:10 iqualfragile moltenbot is an "it" 22:10 thexyz she has feelings, like http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-02#i_2775340 22:10 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe you cant tweak Jeija death camera effect a bit and add it too 22:11 thexyz PilzAdam: maybe 22:11 thexyz marktraceur: better ask sfan5|OFF 22:11 thexyz as he is the one who does the code 22:11 NekoGloop ... 22:11 marktraceur Well, he has a ping now 22:11 NekoGloop That is called an error message. 22:12 thexyz NekoGloop: no way 22:12 thexyz she felt bad, that's why she posted that message 22:12 NekoGloop Not feelings 22:13 marktraceur sfan5|OFF: In summary, it might be good to limit the commit messages to once per X seconds (maybe 10? maybe 60?) and queue up a few in a row if there are multiple new entries in a feed 22:13 sdzen NekoGloop It wants to be human 22:13 sdzen just let it 22:13 sdzen if it trys to revolt 22:13 sdzen kill it 22:13 marktraceur sfan5|OFF: Depending on the language I could help 22:13 NekoGloop Which one, the bot or thexyz. 22:13 sdzen the bot 22:13 sdzen although sometimes I suspect thexyz isn't a human being 22:13 sdzen but a complex program 22:14 * marktraceur wouldn't enjoy it if sdzen killed thexyz 22:14 thexyz sdzen: why? 22:14 thexyz is my english that bad? 22:14 marktraceur thexyz: Your English is fine 22:15 PilzAdam thexyz, you would pass the turing test compared to Minetest-tan 22:15 iqualfragile sdzen: no, thexyz is just a russian, OldCoder is a bot wich passes the turing test 22:15 PilzAdam thats true 22:16 thexyz I wouldn't pass reCaptcha 22:16 iqualfragile thexyz: nobody would 22:17 sdzen PilzAdam 22:17 sdzen why did you make fire buildable to? 22:17 sdzen thats absurd! 22:17 PilzAdam because fire _is_ buildable to 22:17 iqualfragile exactly 22:17 PilzAdam its just a bit of gas 22:19 sdzen can you build on gas? 22:19 sdzen can you place something on top of it? 22:19 sdzen IRL 22:20 sokomine depends how dense it is 22:20 sdzen okay let me rephrase can you put something on top of fire irl 22:20 thexyz real world doesn't consist of 1x1x1 m blocks 22:20 sdzen true but.... 22:20 PilzAdam sdzen, yes, I can put some sand on flames IRL 22:20 RealBadAngel no 22:20 sdzen do they float above the flames? 22:21 sdzen no they dont 22:21 thexyz sdzen: read what "buildable_to" is 22:21 thexyz buildable_to = false, -- If true, placed nodes can replace this node 22:21 RealBadAngel you can throw the sand in general direction of it 22:21 PilzAdam s/on/in 22:21 sdzen ahhhh 22:21 sdzen sorry about that 22:21 sdzen buildable to wasnt quite clear with me :P 22:22 PilzAdam anyone knows if "CasimirKaPazi" is here? 22:22 sdzen this is what happens when I have too much caffiene 22:22 PilzAdam (thats a GitHub nick) 22:23 sdzen sorry for the trouble 22:24 hmmmm selling and buying minetest maps...? 22:24 hmmmm you've got to be joking 22:25 thexyz why not? c55 did that 22:25 hmmmm how is minetest worth money to anybody 22:25 us_0gb Yes, that's what buildable_to is. 22:25 hmmmm are you serious 22:25 thexyz http://minetest.net/buy.php 22:25 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest 22:25 thexyz that was more like a joke though 22:25 iqualfragile thexyz: yes, but only because it seemd illegal to collect donations 22:25 hmmmm oh yeah 22:25 hmmmm that's different 22:25 thexyz still 22:25 sokomine why ought that to be illegal? 22:26 iqualfragile pff… ask celeron55 22:26 jin_xi INVALINE DOKCS 22:26 iqualfragile bnd? i have never seen a bnd or rsiska: good evening, nice to meet you 22:26 sokomine strange. but there are strange laws out there...in all countries 22:26 marktraceur hmmmm: I asked about buying and selling because it's one aspect of the licensing process, not because it's a probable occurrence. 22:27 hmmmm i see 22:29 sokomine what would be nice though would be a large empty map prepared with dirt (topped with dirt_with_grass) and nothing else on it that could act as a starting point for building buildings for people with slower computers. generating the landscape and then getting rid of it both consumes time 22:29 us_0gb True. 22:30 sokomine can't someone with a fast computer do such a map and put it in the forum? :-) 22:31 VanessaE hi all. 22:31 sokomine i even tried to change just those nodes around point 0,0,0 and afterwards duplicate them in the database, but that didn't work that well 22:31 us_0gb Hello! 22:33 marktraceur sokomine: It would probably be simple-ish to create a map programmatically 22:34 PilzAdam just wait for mapgen_v7 22:35 hmmmm sokomine, you can already do that with a mod if you'd really like to 22:35 hmmmm but with version 7 of the mapgen, making a totally flat map is trivial 22:35 * sokomine hopes for mapgen v7 then 22:35 hmmmm you just define a single biome with the land type 'flat' 22:36 sokomine the trouble with the mod is that it's awfully slow :-( 22:36 hmmmm mmm.. 22:36 hmmmm welp 22:36 hmmmm i am putting the finishing touches on my stuff 22:36 hmmmm i need to stop being distracted and just work on it 22:36 hmmmm it'll be done soon though i promise 22:37 sokomine sorry. please continue 22:37 PilzAdam sokomine, jordan4ibanez made a mod that is quite fast because it adds only 2 or 3 layers and the rest is air 22:37 sokomine hope it motivates you to hear that it will be appreciated :-) 22:37 sokomine hm. sounds better. but iirc even the one that didn't add anything was somehow slow. do you remember the name of the mod? 22:39 PilzAdam sokomine, it was in a modpack or a game but i dunno the name 22:40 iqualfragile PilzAdam: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=61161#p61161 22:40 moltenbot Masters link: [Mod] Reworked signs from xyz [signs] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 22:40 kaeza k I'm back 22:41 PilzAdam iqualfragile, I do read the forums, you dont have to point me to that 22:42 PilzAdam and I also know it would be great to have this 22:42 iqualfragile PilzAdam: just wanted to express that i share theirs oppinion 22:54 kaeza OldCoder: PM whenever you have the time 22:54 VanessaE zzz 22:55 * kaeza puts a water source above VanessaE's head 22:55 * VanessaE steps aside 22:55 VanessaE (server lag gave me enough time ;) ) 22:55 kaeza *the entire channel is flooded* 22:55 * Uberi puts an air above kaeza's head 22:56 kaeza hey V! sleepy already? 22:56 VanessaE bored 22:57 * marktraceur has a stockpile of 3000 air 22:57 marktraceur Eventually, when the world is all mined out, it will be a valuable resource 22:58 Uberi don't want to run out of air now 22:58 * kaeza places a CONTENT_IGNORE above Uberi's and marktraceur's heads. 22:58 * marktraceur gasps for breath 22:58 Uberi :O 23:06 us_0gb If I had known how to gather air, I would have stockpiles some before the glitch was removed. 23:06 us_0gb *stockpiled 23:06 Uberi us_0gb: and /giveme air seems to be off limits too :( 23:06 us_0gb Really? Nice. 23:07 * us_0gb runs off to test 23:08 VanessaE nothin' says you can't just fetch from the commit where the bug was most evident ;) 23:08 us_0gb Also, I don't have /give on the server that I want air on. 23:09 us_0gb I just tried "/giveme air". It does still work. 23:10 marktraceur Awesome! 23:10 marktraceur I mean, stupid. But also awesome. 23:10 us_0gb "/giveme ignore" also works. 23:11 Uberi huh 23:11 marktraceur us_0gb: That's weird 23:11 us_0gb I think when I tried "/giveme unknown", it failed though, even though that IS a regestered node. 23:11 us_0gb Or maybe it worked. I forget. 23:12 marktraceur us_0gb: Maybe it's supposed to be default:unknown ? 23:12 us_0gb No. The code registers ":unknown". 23:12 Uberi try __builtin:unknown 23:12 Uberi ah 23:12 Uberi well probably won't work 23:12 Uberi I tried /giveme : to get the player hand and it failed 23:13 us_0gb Nive. But you have to remove the preceding colen. 23:13 us_0gb But that would be an empty string 23:13 us_0gb "/giveme :air" does not work. 23:14 us_0gb Bye! 23:14 Uberi bye 23:14 us_0gb How do you change your name like that? 23:15 kaeza us_0gb: /nick Your New Nick 23:15 us_0gb Okay, thanks. 23:16 us_0gb I've got company. Bye! 23:29 * OldCoder will return later 23:40 PilzAdam bye 23:46 VanessaE mauvebic: are you awake? 23:55 BackupCoder hi 23:55 Uberi o/ 23:55 sapier backup? :-) 23:56 BackupCoder ve howdy is world up to date uberi how are u 23:56 VanessaE Coder: cool :-) 23:56 Uberi bit sad how the world ended on december 21st 23:57 Uberi oh wait, no it didn't :P 23:58 marktraceur Does anyone have really vehement opinions on vendor/currency mods? 23:58 VanessaE I don't care much for such mods to be honest 23:58 Uberi yes 23:58 Uberi well not really 23:58 Uberi I prefer to trade actual items instead 23:59 Uberi like MESE crystals, for example 23:59 Uberi MESE is a great currency 23:59 marktraceur VanessaE: I'm inclined to agree, but having some ability to trade is good, and currency seems like the cleanest way to do it 23:59 Uberi plus there is natural inflation from the mining industry 23:59 marktraceur Uberi: My understanding is that mese is used to create currency, so it essentially is currency except that it's broken into littler bits when you craft