Time Nick Message 00:00 marktraceur Cooool. 00:00 ecube :) 00:00 marktraceur Ha, security. 00:01 kaeza hm? 00:01 Jakssoul Does Arch support many applications? Or? 00:02 marktraceur kaeza: Can I nil the password and just allow users to use it automatically? 00:02 kaeza not yet 00:02 kaeza but you can give them the pass :) 00:02 kaeza and make it simple 00:02 marktraceur I disagree 00:03 marktraceur kaeza: If I just set marktraceur = true in the table, it should work (from what I can see) 00:03 kaeza yup 00:03 kaeza that's also possible 00:03 marktraceur But it doesn't check for +r? 00:04 kaeza nope 00:04 kaeza just basic auth for now 00:04 ecube basically, name checking? 00:04 marktraceur Ugh. 00:04 marktraceur Should be OK for me, I'm always online 00:04 kaeza ecube: only pass for now 00:04 marktraceur But imperfect 00:05 kaeza everyone can be server admin if they know the pass 00:05 Exio kaeza: make it works with hostmask 00:05 ADFENO I've just installed Trisquel Brigantia today, and my main system is Debian Squeeze. Err... Apparently the main system is Trisquel Brigantia because GRUB starts from its partition now, although I wasn't asked to decided whenever to overwrite Debian Squeeze's GRUB version or not. :) 00:05 Exio +s 00:05 ecube fuq hostmask 00:05 kaeza hmm 00:06 marktraceur Oh gods 00:06 marktraceur The LuaIRC library....doesn't have flags 00:07 kaeza nope 00:07 ecube There's an LuaIRC library? 00:07 kaeza it seems 00:07 Exio flags? where? 00:07 * marktraceur runs screaming 00:07 ecube i thought kaeza was just using luasocket 00:07 kaeza hmm 00:07 * ecube reads the code 00:07 kaeza I should try and patch tht 00:07 kaeza that* 00:08 Jakssoul YOU GUYS LIE! 00:08 marktraceur Jakssoul: What about? 00:08 Jakssoul I just read the guide to installing Arch Linux, and I am going to have nightmares tonight! 00:08 Jakssoul xD It is scary! 00:09 Exio arch is easy to install, really 00:09 ecube It is for people who have already installed it 00:09 ecube not for peopel coming from ubuntu 00:09 Jakssoul EXACTLY. 00:09 ecube or debian-like systems 00:09 mrtux ^ 00:09 Jakssoul I mean, I've got 12 or 13 LIVEUSB OS's on my flash drive. 00:10 Jakssoul None of them were hard to install. 00:10 Jakssoul Arch? I'm not even going to try. 00:10 mrtux the install is easy 00:10 ADFENO I tried to compile Minetest from the source code once again, since the one I tried to run was compiled under Debian Squeeze, and it gave me the same results. 00:11 Jakssoul Maybe you should just ditch your OS like I did just for Minetest? xD 00:11 ecube ahahaha 00:11 ADFENO What do you mean by "ditch"? I don't understand, sorry. 00:11 Jakssoul I seriously ditched Puppy Linux JUST for Minetest. 00:11 Jakssoul That's how much I love it. 00:11 ecube I hate the dpkg system, it's why I switched to arch 00:11 Jakssoul Get rid of it. I was being sarcastic though. 00:12 ADFENO Ah... :D 00:12 ADFENO Just like my friends always say. :D 00:12 Exio ecube: emerge is better >:D 00:13 Exio btw, if you have a compilar, you can have minetest everywhere! :P 00:14 ADFENO Yes... I just tried to recompile it because I'm new compiling things from source. 00:14 Exio pastebin the error/log 00:14 ecube Exio: Try running minetest in a computer that was built in minetest 00:14 ecube :D 00:14 Exio lol ecube 00:15 VanessaE I wonder if mesecons could do that...... 00:15 VanessaE :-) 00:15 ecube that is, one that was built with mesecons 00:15 ecube VanessaE: I saw someone build an ALU in vanilla minecraft 00:15 ecube if that's possible, doing it in mt certainly is possible 00:15 ADFENO Here, once again, is the error output: http://pastebin.com/c4qwS5Du 00:15 moltenbot ADFENO's link: Terminal output when using "./minetest": Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 Linux - Pastebin.com 00:15 VanessaE I've seen a video of something like that 00:15 marktraceur kaeza: It didn't work :) 00:15 marktraceur I'll work on it later 00:15 ecube The first step is building the flippin' thing 00:16 ecube then install arch on it 00:17 Exio ADFENO: btw, that looks like a driver issue, what graphic card do you have? and what driver are you using? 00:17 Kacey im making a 4 bit decoder to 7 segment led display 00:18 VanessaE Kacey: already been done. 00:18 VanessaE (cornernote) 00:18 Kacey but im doing it into a led display 00:18 ecube haha 00:19 Kacey and then going to link mulitple ones to make a calculator 00:19 ecube Kacey: Challenge: install X on it 00:19 Kacey done lol 00:19 ecube how 00:20 ADFENO I have a NVidia GeForce GT 430, using the Nouveau module. 00:20 Exio did you try using the closed driver/module? 00:20 Kacey chuck norris 00:21 Exio or, as you are using old squeeze, with a newer nouveau? maybe some issue fixed a long ago 00:21 ADFENO No... Since I had some video issues or kernel panics when using it one year ago. 00:21 ADFENO So... I'm not going to make the same mistake again. 00:21 Exio btw, one year is a lot of time 00:22 ADFENO Also: I do not like Nvidias approach to much, I think their drivers are almost needless. :D 00:23 ADFENO It's indeed strange... though... 00:24 Kacey alright the decoder is built 00:24 ADFENO The Nouveau module from Debian Squeeze runs Minetest just fine. 00:24 Kacey no to code it... 00:28 NakedFury dammit sound isnt coming out from the speakers 00:28 marktraceur NakedFury: Just hack around it, use your hard drives to generate sound 00:32 Kacey im using cornernote's diagram to make the decoder 00:37 jojoa1997 To everyone who was helping me last night with the github stuff. i got it working. the default spot for my files was on a flashdrive not on my pc. 00:37 jojoa1997 so when it was updateing there was nothing in the github folder 00:37 jojoa1997 and the gui works fine thank you all 00:38 kaeza jojoa1997: good 00:38 kaeza and thanks :) 00:38 kaeza s/thanks/you're welcome/ 00:39 jojoa1997 why do you keep typing "s/'something'/'something'" 00:39 marktraceur jojoa1997: It's called a regular expression 00:39 * Jakssoul is wondering why nobody likes pulp in orange juice. 00:40 * jojoa1997 is drinking pulpy orange juice right now and is loving it 00:40 Kacey it now counts up to (1) 00:40 * Jakssoul high fives jojoa1997. 00:41 * jojoa1997 high fives Jakssoul back 00:41 Jakssoul Haha. 00:41 jojoa1997 can anyone make a review for my two mods 00:42 Jakssoul What mods do you have? 00:42 jojoa1997 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4167 00:42 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Mod] Peaceful NPC [1.3] [peaceful_npc] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 00:42 jojoa1997 peaceful npc 00:42 Jakssoul Ohhh! 00:42 jojoa1997 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4214 00:42 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Mod] Display Blocks [1.1] [display_blocks] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 00:42 jojoa1997 display blocks 00:42 BackupCoder hi 00:42 kaeza hi backup 00:42 kaeza ... 00:43 kaeza fck tab completion 00:43 kaeza hi BackupCoder 00:43 Jakssoul I can't get your Peaceful NPC mod to work for me, so, yup! xD 00:43 jojoa1997 they both are good ones but i really want the display blocks to be reviewed cause that is mainly my code 00:43 BackupCoder o/ 00:43 kaeza \o 00:43 jojoa1997 try downloading 1.3 or go to the github 00:43 jojoa1997 i just updated like 5 minutes ago 00:44 jojoa1997 does anyone have any suggestions for the display mod 00:44 ADFENO Does all the mods work on Minetest 0.4.3? Can I still connect to servers which run 0.4.4, using 0.4.3? 00:44 Jakssoul Why would you do that? 00:44 jojoa1997 it only works on 0.4.4 00:44 marktraceur I think you can, though 00:45 marktraceur It just won't have all the features 00:45 jojoa1997 it is 3d and has animations 00:45 jojoa1997 it is like the 0.4.4 players 00:45 ADFENO Well, I think I'll try compiling Min etest 0.4.3 and see if it works here. 00:45 Jakssoul I was talking to ADFENO. 00:45 Kacey it now counts to 2!!!!!!! 00:46 Jakssoul Anybody know of any other good Free Linux Games? 00:46 Jakssoul Has anybody ever tried OpenMW? 00:46 ADFENO What does "MW" stands for? 00:46 jojoa1997 mineworld 00:46 kaeza Jakssoul: OpenTTD FTW! 00:47 Jakssoul It's the third installation of the Elder Scrolls series. 00:47 Kacey UNTANGLE FTW!!!!!!! 00:47 Jakssoul NO! Not MineWorld. 00:47 Jakssoul Morrowind or whatever. 00:47 Jakssoul OpenTTD? 00:47 kaeza a FLOSS version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe 00:47 Jakssoul That looks... like it isn't my cup of tea. 00:47 jojoa1997 mineworld was a joke mc=minecaft, mt=minetest \o/, mw=mineworld 00:48 Jakssoul Any other suggestions? 00:48 ADFENO Well... If it doesn't require proprietary software, then I should try it. 00:48 * ADFENO takes note of OpenMW. 00:48 kaeza Jakssoul: http://lgdb.com 00:48 Jakssoul According to the main site for it, "You must own Morrowind blah blah" 00:48 kaeza Jakssoul: http://lgdb.org 00:48 moltenbot kaeza's link: Linux game database | Database for native Linux games 00:48 Jakssoul It requires proprietary software, I'm sure. 00:48 jojoa1997 going onto pc cya 00:49 jojoa1997_ i am back4 00:49 ADFENO Ah... then I'm out from it, no way! Blah... :( 00:49 marktraceur Jakssoul: OpenArena, Red Eclipse, HedgeWars, Ryzom 00:49 marktraceur (just a few) 00:49 jojoa1997_ *back 00:49 Jakssoul Sorry, things I can play OFFLINE as well? 00:49 marktraceur Ryzom is....edgy, but I think technically free 00:50 Jakssoul marktraceur, any of those offline? 00:50 marktraceur Jakssoul: In theory all of them, but you'd need to run a local server for OA and Ryzom 00:50 ADFENO Armagetron Advanced? 00:50 Jakssoul I always forget to mention my offline-neediness. 00:50 marktraceur Jakssoul: I enjoy Pioneers as well 00:50 Jakssoul I LOVE Armagetron Advanced. 00:50 kaeza Jakssoul: http://allegro.cc 00:51 Jakssoul How is Red Eclipse, marktraceur ? 00:51 ADFENO Welll... The Allegro community has some impressive games. 00:51 Kacey counts to 3 now 00:51 kaeza Kacey: ? 00:51 jojoa1997_ can someone kick jojoa1997 i dont know why my pc is having 2 accounts on 00:51 jojoa1997_ the one without the underscore 00:51 Kacey making a 4-bit decoder 00:52 kaeza ah 00:52 Kacey ya 00:52 Exio xonotic ftw! 00:52 leo_rockway are we listing free games? 00:52 Kacey but im not doing bad 00:52 leo_rockway Warzone2100 00:52 kaeza leo_rockway: +1 00:52 Jakssoul Yes we are, for Jakssoul -ey boy. 00:52 Exio warzone is more than a game 00:52 Kacey 3 in around 30 minutes not bad at all 00:52 leo_rockway Battle for Wesnoth 00:52 Jakssoul Is Warzone2100 able to be played offline? 00:53 Jakssoul As well as BfW? 00:53 kaeza Jakssoul: yes 00:53 Jakssoul Awessomeeee. 00:53 ADFENO BZFlag, but I don't know if you can add bots to play with. 00:53 kaeza IDK about BFw 00:53 Jakssoul I've got like, ten games to download. 00:53 Exio multiplayer is a lot of better 00:53 Exio :P like everygame 00:53 Jakssoul I can't play online much. 00:53 Exio why? 00:53 kaeza anyone ever played 0verkill? 00:53 Jakssoul I rip off my neighbors connection and have to stand awkwardly to use it. 00:53 Jakssoul (They know I do, it's okay.) 00:53 ADFENO You could also try emulationg games with Mednafen. 00:54 Exio lol 00:54 leo_rockway Jakssoul: BfW is a turn based strategy game. WZ2.1k is rts. 00:54 BackupCoder oops 00:54 BackupCoder typo 00:54 Jakssoul Mednafen? Will it play Pokemon? :P 00:54 Jakssoul I see it lists gameboy games as a possibility. 00:54 leo_rockway supertuxkart <3 00:54 ADFENO I don't know.. But I like to play Harvest Moon Friends of Mineral Town on it. 00:55 Jakssoul I remember, like, a decade ago, playing the old Pokemon games. 00:55 kaeza Jakssoul: ZSNES? 00:55 kaeza epsxe? 00:55 Jakssoul I lost like, at least 3 years on them. 00:55 kaeza Mupen 64? 00:55 Jakssoul CALM DOWN HERE! 00:55 Jakssoul kaeza, can you PM me all of this? 00:55 ADFENO Wow. 00:55 Jakssoul Wow = ? 00:55 ADFENO StepMania. 00:56 Exio jojoa1997_tablet: android tablet? install some native client (like yaaic) 00:56 ADFENO "Wow" is the same thing as "LOL", just more formal. 00:56 Exio lmao 00:56 Exio >:D 00:56 jojoa1997_tablet what do you mean native client 00:56 leo_rockway Frets on Fire 00:56 Exio leo_rockway: FoFix! 00:56 leo_rockway or that 00:57 Exio jojoa1997_tablet: running without webbrowser :P 00:57 leo_rockway freeciv, freecol 00:57 leo_rockway freedoom 00:57 Kacey now on to 4 00:57 leo_rockway freerpg 00:57 ADFENO PCSXR (PlayStation emulator). 00:57 Exio gens! 00:57 Exio Sega Genesis Emulator <3 00:57 leo_rockway minetest! 00:58 ADFENO FreeDoom, what a hard and epic game. :D 00:58 Exio hahaha 00:58 Jakssoul FreeDoom requires the xyzblahblah from real Doom. 00:58 leo_rockway Jakssoul: it doesn't need anything from Doom, AFAIK. 00:58 FreeFull Basically, ID gave away the source code but not the actual game data 00:59 Jakssoul Uhm? Not from what I've read? 00:59 leo_rockway FreeFull: FreeDoom IS the actual game data. 00:59 FreeFull So you need to either make your own game data or get it from the original game 00:59 * ADFENO agrees with leo_rockway. 00:59 FreeFull Ah 00:59 Jakssoul That's what I was saying. 00:59 leo_rockway the engine I used was prboom. 00:59 ADFENO Me too. 00:59 Exio Jakssoul: ioquake3? :P 00:59 Jakssoul ? 00:59 FreeFull Jakssoul: Yes mednafen will play pokemon 00:59 Jakssoul YES! :D 00:59 FreeFull Except for the DS ones 00:59 Jakssoul Definitely getting mednafen. 01:00 Jakssoul Time for some Emerald! xD 01:00 marktraceur Jakssoul: I haven't played it, but heard good things 01:00 ADFENO For the Nintendo DS, try DeSmuME. 01:00 FreeFull It will play the GB/GBC/GBA pokemon fine 01:00 leo_rockway I can't wait to see a FreeDoom3, although I probably couldn't play it with my GPU. 01:00 ADFENO I think the same, leo_rockway 01:00 ADFENO *. 01:00 Kacey 4 is done now 01:01 Jakssoul Any of these games in the Ubuntu Software Center? (Since there are so many recommendations, I feel it would be much easier to get them through it) 01:01 ADFENO Especially if the Nouveau module gives me problems like this one which I'm having with Minetest under Trisquel Brigantia. 01:02 kaeza Jakssoul: TeeWorlds 01:02 Jakssoul Getting FreeDoom as well as Warzone2100 now. 01:02 Jakssoul Damn, my neighbors should be very glad they have unlimited Data. xD 01:02 leo_rockway TeeWorlds +1 01:03 Jakssoul What is TeeWorlds? 01:03 kaeza neighbors killing Jakssoul in 3...2...1... 01:03 Jakssoul After installing FreeDoom, it looks like I need an.. IWAD? 01:03 Jakssoul What do I do with prboom? 01:03 leo_rockway Jakssoul: either 2D Quake or real time Worms... 01:03 leo_rockway prboom is the engine, freedom is the iwad. 01:03 Jakssoul I am being overloaded here. 01:03 Jakssoul What is TeeWorlds? 01:04 leo_rockway 2D Quake, or real time Worms 01:04 leo_rockway that's the best description I can come up with. 01:04 Jakssoul I don't understand. xD 01:04 kaeza well, counting SNES+GB[C|A]+NES+PSX games, you have like 128945354695 ones 01:04 leo_rockway little kirby-like entities fighting to death 01:04 Jakssoul Got it. 01:04 BackupCoder jack kirby? 01:04 kaeza Kirby +1 01:04 ADFENO PrBoom = Engine; FreeDoom = IWAD. 01:04 ADFENO To run the game, run PrBoom. 01:05 BackupCoder ++ 01:05 Jakssoul Thanks, ADFENO . 01:05 BackupCoder wait 01:05 leo_rockway Jakssoul: http://youtu.be/Ff-Pi7RD9pM 01:05 moltenbot leo_rockway's link: Teeworlds Gameplay - YouTube 01:05 ADFENO You're welcome. 01:05 BackupCoder check out my prboom framework 01:05 kaeza BackupCoder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby's_Adventure 01:05 moltenbot kaeza's link: Kirby's Adventure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:05 ADFENO Hedgewars is also a good call... Warmux/Wormux too. 01:05 BackupCoder I can link later 01:06 leo_rockway ADFENO: yup, those are good. 01:06 Jakssoul I just entered my root password (That I use for EVERYTHING) into this IRC window when it was requested for installing an application. 01:06 leo_rockway Secret Maryo Chronicles and Super Tux... 01:06 Jakssoul I almost hit enter. I would've died. 01:06 ecube well you didn't hit enter 01:06 Jakssoul Luckily. 01:07 ADFENO Let's see... Where is my softawre prefferences list... Got it... Games... games... games... 01:07 kaeza ADFENO: same here :D 01:07 leo_rockway then there are some good CLI games o.o 01:08 Jakssoul CLI? 01:08 leo_rockway like nethack or liberal crime squad 01:08 leo_rockway Jakssoul: terminal. 01:08 BackupCoder cmdline 01:08 ADFENO Command Line Interface. 01:08 Jakssoul Oh okay. 01:08 Kacey 5 is done 01:08 kaeza Jakssoul, leo_rockway: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~brain/0verkill/ 01:08 moltenbot kaeza's link: 0VERKILL - hell in ASCII 01:08 leo_rockway nethack is the most complex and difficult game, and entertaining there is. 01:08 Jakssoul Looking into it now. 01:08 BackupCoder see mine 01:08 leo_rockway kaeza: I think I tried that one o.o 01:08 Jakssoul leo_rockway, and kaeza . 01:09 Kacey a third of the way done 01:09 leo_rockway Tremulous (although it's dead and replaced by some fork, which I can't remember the name of) 01:09 kaeza Jakssoul: also try Iter Vehemens Ad Necen 01:09 Jakssoul Tremulous is a no-go. 01:10 kaeza (IVAN) 01:10 leo_rockway Jakssoul: why? 01:10 Jakssoul I looked it up, it's too heavily based on online-play. 01:10 leo_rockway oh, right. Yes, only online. 01:10 leo_rockway but then again, so is TeeWars 01:10 leo_rockway or TeeWorlds, or whatever the current name is. 01:10 Jakssoul That's not an option either then. 01:11 Jakssoul Not willing to stand all day to play a game. xD 01:11 leo_rockway secretmaryo 01:11 leo_rockway I like that one 01:11 Jakssoul That's why I'm rarely online on Minetest. But, I have a bada** offline world. 01:11 Jakssoul I will look up secretmaryo 01:11 codile_ ah, teeworlds is also cool 01:11 leo_rockway secretmaryo.org 01:11 leo_rockway Jakssoul: I forgot you were looking for offline ones. 01:12 Jakssoul Question: 01:12 Jakssoul Installing PrBoom and FreeDoom from the Ubuntu Software Center ended with me getting both of those things. BUT, 01:12 Jakssoul It came with the "Vavoom Launcher" to launch the game. 01:12 Jakssoul I have no idea how to use it. Anybody? 01:12 leo_rockway never heard of vavoom o.o 01:12 leo_rockway I just run prboom 01:12 Jakssoul It's a bra size. xD 01:13 leo_rockway xD 01:13 Jakssoul Or type, style. 01:13 Jakssoul Something. 01:13 kaeza hey I like Vavoom 01:13 Jakssoul The launcher? 01:13 iqualfragile Jakssoul: why do you care about that stuff? 01:13 Jakssoul Care about what stuff? 01:13 kaeza it's one of the few that have mouse pitch control 01:13 Jakssoul HOW DO I USE IT, kaeza??? 01:13 Jakssoul xD 01:14 Kacey 6 is done 01:14 leo_rockway Jakssoul: if you like RTS, Warzone2100 is the one I'd check out first. It has an amazing way to handle units. 01:14 leo_rockway you design all the units. 01:14 Jakssoul I am looking into it. 01:15 Jakssoul As well as NetHack. 01:15 leo_rockway and the campaign is quite good 01:15 leo_rockway nethack is very difficult. Keep in mind that "dying is fun" while you play. 01:15 Jakssoul Hahaha, alrighty. 01:15 codile_ mangband is also cool 01:15 Jakssoul mangband? 01:15 leo_rockway is that the tolkien based nethack? 01:15 codile_ its a multiplayer online rougelike 01:16 Jakssoul No tengo INTERNET! 01:16 codile_ it's tolkien based yes 01:16 kaeza Jakssoul: http://ivan.sourceforge.net/ 01:16 moltenbot kaeza's link: Iter Vehemens ad Necem - Index 01:16 Jakssoul codile_ online games aren't an option. 01:16 codile_ oh, then try nethack ;) 01:16 codile_ or angband. the single player version 01:16 Jakssoul Installing X Nethack now. 01:16 codile_ or dungeon crawl stone soup 01:17 leo_rockway liberal crime squad, unless you're under 21... 01:17 leo_rockway it's very violent and graphical, although it's CLI based o.o 01:17 Jakssoul What does being 21 have to do with anything? 01:17 leo_rockway Jakssoul: in liberal crime squad you set up a squad of terrorists 01:17 Jakssoul That's fantastic. xD 01:17 codile_ :P 01:18 codile_ you can also try dwarffortress 01:18 leo_rockway and you try to overthrow a conservative government 01:18 leo_rockway it's a parody 01:18 codile_ but it isn't open source :( 01:18 leo_rockway is dwarf fortress free? 01:18 Jakssoul That's awesome. 01:18 leo_rockway yeah, that's what I thought :S 01:18 codile_ free but open source 01:18 codile_ free as in free beer :P 01:18 leo_rockway I use free as in freedom, not as in beer 01:18 Jakssoul I just installed like, 8 applications. xD 01:18 codile_ but you won't know what's in your beer :D 01:19 codile_ so there could be poison inside :P 01:19 leo_rockway it's a good thing I don't drink o.o 01:19 codile_ :D 01:19 ADFENO Wow. 01:19 codile_ which ones? ^^ 01:20 Kacey 7 is done 8 more to go 01:20 ADFENO Here is a list of the games I usually play: http://pastebin.com/89g92nQR 01:20 moltenbot ADFENO's link: Abuse AisleRiot Anagramarama Armagetron Advanced Battle for Wesnoth BZFlag - Pastebin.com 01:21 kaeza Anagramarama FTW!! 01:21 ADFENO I forgot to add ZSNES though. 01:21 kaeza hmm... how is it I don't have it installed yet?... 01:21 Jakssoul Someone else did it for you. 01:22 codile_ i think i missed something. so you're looking for games you can play offline? 01:22 Jakssoul Yes sir! 01:22 codile_ okay 01:22 Jakssoul Minetest can get old after 5 hours straight. :P But it's always good the next day. 01:22 codile_ ADFENO: Armagetron Advanced is a good joice ;D 01:22 Jakssoul I love AA. 01:22 ADFENO Yeah... I agree. 01:23 leo_rockway neverball 01:23 leo_rockway neverball is basically super monkey ball 01:23 ADFENO Specially the bot names. Excel keeps doing tiny squares around me. :D 01:23 leo_rockway and neverputt, it's golf with the same engine. 01:23 codile_ :D 01:24 codile_ or freedroidrpg 01:24 iqualfragile Battle for Wesnoth!! 01:24 Jakssoul I just went from 5 gigs of freespace on my HDD to 1.7GB. 01:24 Jakssoul xD 01:24 codile_ also a nice choice 01:24 Jakssoul I will check it out as well. 01:24 leo_rockway BoW is def god 01:24 leo_rockway good* 01:24 iqualfragile and freeciv 01:25 codile_ omfg i wrote choice with j >.< 01:25 iqualfragile i like taht stuff 01:25 Jakssoul Yes you did. 01:25 iqualfragile hmm… my hdd is full too 01:25 Jakssoul I only have an 8gig HDD. 01:25 Jakssoul Crappy netbook! 01:25 codile_ finally 01:25 Jakssoul Be right back. 01:25 iqualfragile nah, i have ~300gb 01:25 codile_ finally they fixed the savegame bug 01:25 iqualfragile but its full anyways 01:25 ADFENO That's why I still love the heavy computer gabinets. :D 01:26 iqualfragile am thinking about using some strange overlay-filesystem to extend capacity 01:26 kaeza ~500GB on desktop :D 01:26 Kacey 8 works 01:26 codile_ lvm :P 01:26 kaeza ~499 are pr0n... 01:26 iqualfragile http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html 01:26 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Unionfs: A Stackable Unification File System 01:27 leo_rockway supertuxkart, supertux, battle for wesnoth, secret maryo chronicles, warzone2100, nethack, liberal crime squad, freeciv, freecol, armagetron, freedoom 01:27 leo_rockway get all those, now! o.o 01:27 ADFENO Wow. 01:27 iqualfragile leo_rockway: freecol? 01:27 iqualfragile did not know that 01:27 codile_ dungeon crawl stone soup and angband 01:27 kaeza ZSNES fceux epsxe SuperTuxKart TeeWorlds 01:27 codile_ teeworlds is online :P 01:27 kaeza and soon Anagramarama :D 01:27 iqualfragile and i just got the freedoom joke for the first time 01:27 codile_ unless you start a local zombie server :P 01:28 codile_ which joke? 01:28 iqualfragile free doom 01:28 codile_ :D 01:28 kaeza ... 01:28 ADFENO Hahaha. 01:28 codile_ that's genius 01:28 leo_rockway iqualfragile: freecol is to colonization what freeciv is to civilization. Although freecol is java :S 01:28 Jakssoul My HDD is really about to be filled up. 01:28 ADFENO Just like "merry grav-mass". :D 01:28 iqualfragile never played colonization 01:28 Jakssoul Looks like it is time to delete the pr0n... 01:29 Jakssoul KIDDING. 01:29 Jakssoul :D 01:29 iqualfragile sudo apt-get install freecol 01:29 Jakssoul (I would never do that!) 01:29 Jakssoul Kidding again. 01:29 iqualfragile Jakssoul: more like time to buy a new hdd 01:29 Jakssoul xD 01:29 Jakssoul I wouldn't pay for a new HDD for this thing! 01:29 Jakssoul Unless somebody gave me 2GB RAM for it. 01:29 leo_rockway iqualfragile: you have found a colony and declare independence from Europe. You commerce with natives and with Europe... 01:29 Jakssoul Which is $25. I won't pay for that either. 01:30 iqualfragile kindof like round-based anno? 01:30 codile_ domination is also nice 01:30 codile_ but not if you play it against the ai :P 01:30 ADFENO I need to go now... I must test the sound configuration here to see how many sound souices I can play, and with which order. 01:30 Kacey bbl 01:30 leo_rockway iqualfragile: I tried unknown horizons, which is free anno... it's kind of like that. 01:30 iqualfragile btw @anno: http://www.unknown-horizons.org/ 01:30 leo_rockway iqualfragile: but closer to Civ. 01:31 Jakssoul OKAY! So, 01:31 iqualfragile well, seems like we kindof had the same idea… 01:31 leo_rockway I like that they changed the name of unknown horizons... open anno sounded terrible o.o 01:31 codile_ you also want to install unknown horizons for sure ;D 01:31 Jakssoul Anyone know how big the Warzone2100 file is? 01:31 Minetest-tan GIT: Splizard (Splizard) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Run nodeupdate() after burning nodes. deb39ddcd4 2012-12-27T17:30:52-08:00 01:31 iqualfragile warzone is big 01:31 Jakssoul 68MB. 01:31 kaeza leo_rockway: al menos en español :P 01:31 leo_rockway last time I tried unknown horizons it wasn't really complete yet. 01:31 ADFENO Bye everybory. 01:31 Jakssoul THat's not big. 01:31 leo_rockway kaeza: sí, jeje. 01:31 Jakssoul Bye, ADFENO . 01:31 iqualfragile round of unknown horizons anyone? 01:32 iqualfragile im gona host 01:32 leo_rockway I can't play anything :S 01:32 Jakssoul Is Unknown Horizons offline-able? xD I know that's not a word. 01:32 iqualfragile yes it is 01:33 Jakssoul Downloading now. xD 01:33 Jakssoul I'm just going to clog my netbook with every game I can, then delete what I don't like. 01:33 leo_rockway the videos of Warzone are heavy... like 500mb or so, but they are optional. 01:34 Jakssoul leo_rockway, What are you talking about? 01:34 Jakssoul Videos? 01:34 leo_rockway Warzone2100 has videos for the campaign 01:34 leo_rockway they can be downloaded from their website 01:34 Jakssoul Screw that! 01:35 Jakssoul That's like, 2 years of pr0n! (I should probably stop the porn jokes. Roflmfao) 01:35 leo_rockway well, they are nice vids o.o 01:35 Exio the last time i checked they had download for 'LQ' 'Normal' and 'HD' videos (500 == HD, 100 == LQ, iirc) 01:35 Exio and they are fully optional 01:35 iqualfragile they have some interesting branches in warzone but they dont get merged into main it seems 01:35 Exio Jakssoul: btw, i'm playing in a netbook 01:35 leo_rockway Exio: oh, right. It was HD 900, HQ 500 and LQ 100. 01:36 Jakssoul Exio, how much RAM have you got? 01:36 leo_rockway iqualfragile: they are working on the new version, still. 01:36 leo_rockway and yes, the branches look very interesting. 01:36 Exio 1GB 01:36 Jakssoul Oh, nice. 01:36 Exio intel atom n270 1.66GHz (one core / 2 threads [HT]) 01:36 Jakssoul I've only got 512MB. :( 01:36 Exio 160 GB harddisk 01:36 Jakssoul What model? 01:37 leo_rockway Warzone was a proprietary game at the end of the 90s. It doesn't require a lot. 01:37 kaeza leo_rockway: I had it for the PSX ^_^ 01:37 Jakssoul Unknown Horizons is 90MBs. 01:37 Jakssoul >_< 01:37 Exio i don't remember the exactly model, but it is some AAO (Acer Aspire One :P) 01:37 Jakssoul I used to have one of those. 01:37 leo_rockway Jakssoul: you could get scummvm and play beneath a steel sky or flight of the amazon queen... 01:37 Jakssoul It was stolen from me. 01:38 Jakssoul Which fall into what category? 01:38 Exio Jakssoul: if you want a small game, install xonotic! >:D 01:38 iqualfragile now i have it 01:38 leo_rockway graphical adventure (think monkey island) 01:38 Jakssoul Xonotic? 01:38 iqualfragile you wont get that to run on such a crappy netbook 01:38 leo_rockway Xonotic won't run on that 01:38 leo_rockway and offline Xonotic is kind of lame 01:38 kaeza Jakssoul: or try DOSBox + http://dosgames.com 01:38 moltenbot kaeza's link: Free games: Download over 600 DOS games. Shareware and freeware, reviews, help getting games working! 01:38 Exio it works with 40~50 FPS here :P 01:38 Jakssoul I have DosBox! 01:38 Jakssoul I just don't know how to get the games on it! 01:38 Jakssoul Hahaha. 01:39 Exio and well, yeah, xonotic in SP is lame :P 01:39 Exio but i was just joking because he wants some 'small game' 01:39 leo_rockway Jakssoul: you can play all the lucas arts graphical adventures, but you'd have to download them from somewhere else, since they aren't free. but the virtual machine is. 01:39 kaeza Jakssoul: you must "MOUNT" a directory 01:39 iqualfragile oh, wow, techtree: https://guide.wz2100.net/r/tech-tree 01:39 kaeza Jakssoul: PM 01:39 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Warzone 2100 Tech Tree 01:39 leo_rockway iqualfragile: yes, it's imprissive. 01:39 Exio iqualfragile: wz is mad 01:39 leo_rockway impressive, even. 01:41 Exio well, i love this channel, it should be called #offtopic-nights-and-minetest 01:41 M13 I got Minetest to run on slitaz 01:41 Jakssoul HOW!? 01:41 Exio slitaz? w00t 01:41 Jakssoul Exio, I concur. 01:41 M13 I got the packages needed to compile minetest 01:41 M13 and compiled irrlitch 01:41 Exio Jakssoul: i think he used make and gcc 01:42 leo_rockway it could've been clang 01:42 Exio yeah.. 01:42 M13 nope 01:43 Exio but gcc is in slitaz's repository iirc 01:43 M13 yes 01:43 M13 aand its stable 01:43 M13 Im using Slitaz from now on out 01:43 Exio slitaz is my main 'small / fast / live' distro 01:44 iqualfragile nah, thats pupy 01:44 M13 yep, puppy in mine 01:44 iqualfragile slitaz is for …other… things 01:44 M13 for crashing computers maybe 01:44 Exio i don't really like puppy 01:44 Exio slitaz looks .. smaller .. :P 01:44 M13 i love puppy 01:44 M13 it is 01:45 Jakssoul Puppy doesn't like Minetest. 01:45 Jakssoul Not for me, at least. 01:45 M13 Puppy Runs Minetest fine 01:45 M13 use Puppy Lucid 01:45 M13 it has most drivers for computers 01:46 Jakssoul Darn. I was using Slacko 01:46 Jakssoul Lucid doesn't like my netbook. It likes to pretend it is always overheating. 01:46 Kacey back (for now) 01:46 iqualfragile oh, wow, they have changed the site, havent they? http://www.puppylinux.com/news/index.html 01:46 moltenbot Masters link: developer news 01:46 M13 yep it works 01:49 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: whats the status on technic? 01:50 PilzAdam VanessaE, explain: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/336 01:50 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: preload item visuals not saved in config ? Issue #336 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 01:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: I need to re-check that later. 01:53 PilzAdam and close the issue then because nobody can reproduce this 01:54 PilzAdam :-P 01:55 Kacey just finished 11 01:58 iqualfragile Kacey: 11 what? 01:58 Kacey on my 4-bit decoder i finished the 11th output 01:59 kaeza Kacey: screen? 01:59 Kacey of it? 01:59 kaeza yup 01:59 Kacey it isnt done yet 01:59 Kacey in a min let me get all outputs done 02:00 kaeza doesn't matter. SCREEN? 02:00 kaeza :P 02:00 Kacey hold on a sec k? 02:00 kaeza j/K take your time 02:02 Kacey 12 done 02:02 NekoGloop a bot on an esper channel now has a !kitten command, courtesy of me =) 02:03 NakedFury it kills 1 cat each time you invoke it 02:03 NekoGloop nonono 02:03 NekoGloop syntax: !kitten =) 02:04 NekoGloop so, say, !kitten punts at NakedFury 02:04 NakedFury I will try it once 02:04 NakedFury !kitten 02:04 NekoGloop would say "NekoGloop punts kitten at NakedFury" 02:04 NekoGloop xD 02:04 NekoGloop I said it's on an esper channel 02:04 NekoGloop #minecraftindex to be precise. 02:11 Jakssoul Is it just me, or does the default Archive manager for Xubuntu SUCK? 02:11 Jakssoul Half the files I download get an error when extracting. 02:12 kaeza Jakssoul: that happens also on the Ubuntu that comes with the OLPC 02:12 Jakssoul Ughhhhh! 02:13 Jakssoul I just took the time to download Daggerfall and now it won't extract. 02:13 kaeza Jakssoul: try extracting from the command line 02:13 Jakssoul Because I know how to. 02:13 Jakssoul xD 02:13 kaeza !c 1/0 02:13 Minetest-tan Sorry, no result. 02:14 kaeza wrong bot 02:14 kaeza sorry 02:14 iqualfragile what should it do? 02:14 kaeza http://example.com 02:14 moltenbot kaeza's link: Example Domain 02:14 kaeza there ^ 02:14 kaeza iqualfragile: ? 02:14 iqualfragile jup? 02:15 kaeza !c 2^24 02:15 Minetest-tan 16 777 216 02:17 iqualfragile i dont get it… 02:22 iqualfragile !c 999^999 02:22 Minetest-tan Sorry, no result. 02:22 iqualfragile pff 02:22 iqualfragile weakling 02:23 iqualfragile the result had just 3086 chars 02:26 iqualfragile yeah, well, good night 02:26 kaeza night 02:27 Jakssoul Good night. 02:37 PilzAdam If anyone is bored go through this list and look if you can fix something: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues?state=open 02:37 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Issues ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 02:40 emstrand I have 5 apples and a rat, no tools...How do I get tools? 02:41 NakedFury you need tree blocks to turn into wood then sticks and tools 02:41 PilzAdam emstrand, wich version of Minetest are you using? 02:41 NakedFury 1 tree = 4 wood. 1 = wood =4 sticks 02:42 emstrand 55.0.3.1 02:42 PilzAdam you can dig a tree block with your hand 02:42 NakedFury minetest version 02:42 VanessaE eek, 0.3.1 is way old 02:42 VanessaE get 0.4.4 :-) 02:43 NakedFury next time remove the 55 numbers 02:43 emstrand tree block with hand?...great! 02:43 NakedFury but yes upgrade to 0.4.4 02:43 emstrand ok upgrade 02:44 PilzAdam if you need help to get this version to run feel free to ask 02:44 NakedFury same rules. you can chop trees with your hand but it takes time 02:44 emstrand thanks 02:44 NakedFury after you get the tree craft it into wood then into sticks 02:44 NakedFury then place 2 sticks in a vertical position: 02:44 NakedFury I 02:44 NakedFury I 02:45 emstrand and? 02:45 NakedFury like that and on top place 3 wood blocks for a pick axe 02:45 NakedFury example: 02:45 NakedFury W W W and the 2 sticks in the center 02:45 NakedFury I 02:45 NakedFury I 02:45 PilzAdam or just read the wiki: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki 02:45 NakedFury yeah that works too 02:45 emstrand ok...thanks 02:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, here we go: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/336#issuecomment-11723995 02:47 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Settings checkboxes not saved if you quit without first leaving the Settings tab ? Issue #336 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 02:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: already updated the description and title accordingly 02:48 PilzAdam saw that 02:48 PilzAdam thats a completly different issue 02:48 VanessaE indeed. 02:48 PilzAdam and very low priority 02:49 VanessaE yeah 02:49 VanessaE no matter 02:50 PilzAdam its 4 AM here need to sleep now 02:51 NakedFury no bug fix should be low priority 02:51 VanessaE merge my mese change first :-) 02:51 VanessaE (my tweak) 02:51 PilzAdam bye 02:51 VanessaE NakedFury: to be fair, this one's quite minor 02:51 VanessaE sigh 02:51 kaeza back 02:51 VanessaE hi kaeza 02:51 kaeza o hai V 02:52 kaeza what's up? 02:52 VanessaE nothin' much 02:53 BackupCoder end of the year 02:53 BackupCoder have no fear 02:54 BackupCoder shed no tear 02:54 VanessaE I'm telling you, he's starting to piss me off now 02:54 BackupCoder have some beer 02:54 NakedFury not me I hope 02:54 VanessaE no, PilzAdam 03:04 emstrand I now have a pick and a wooden shovel...thanks for the help..bye 03:42 OldCoder Hi 03:42 kaeza hey 03:42 kaeza o/ 04:03 sokomine hi 04:11 kaeza hi 04:18 VanessaE fuck it. 04:18 VanessaE I give up trying to make everyone happy with this mese shit. 04:20 NakedFury why. whats happening now? 04:20 VanessaE doesn't matter. 04:21 kaeza I know that feeling sis 04:21 VanessaE no matter what I do, someone feels the need to bitch in the most vocal manner possible. 04:22 kaeza then don't mind them 04:22 VanessaE or tell me my changes won't work (pilzadam) 04:22 kaeza I still believe the crystals are the right way to go 04:22 VanessaE the problem is the *old* mese 04:22 leo_rockway I don't like Linus a lot but: Talk is cheap, show me the code. 04:22 VanessaE people who want it bitch loudly when they don't have it anymore. 04:22 VanessaE I try to fix it? pilzadam bitches. 04:23 VanessaE I try to fix it some other way, someone else will bitch. 04:23 leo_rockway I haven't seen the crystals, but... seriously, some cheese with all the whine? too much drama over something that shouldn't cause so much drama. 04:23 kaeza VanessaE: that also happened to me with my docs fix, remember? 04:23 VanessaE kaeza: actually I don't remember. 04:23 sokomine oh :-( 04:23 VanessaE leo_rockway: the crystals was added to minetest_game master days ago. 04:23 VanessaE and that's making people complain. 04:23 sokomine hm. just give enough mese to everyone :-) (hm..might still not make everyone happy :-)) 04:24 leo_rockway VanessaE: yup, I know about it, I just haven't been able to see it since my laptop broke. 04:24 NakedFury they should not complain, makes them more unique 04:24 VanessaE so fuck it. get Jeija's old mese mod and live in the land of the lost. 04:24 kaeza VanessaE: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/361 04:25 sokomine yes. you tried the best. maybe people where too accustomed to the old mese and just don't like too much change. it's hard to tell 04:27 sokomine today, i discovered too large swamps in singleplayer. and a sheep that was lying on the ground and not just standing. just to add some points that i enjoyed today :-) 04:28 sokomine havn't really seen the new mese yet. i was trying to add the formspec-on-rightclick but am not sure if it will work the way i plan to do it. requires more reading of the code 04:30 * sokomine looks around if there are some unclaimed kittens sitting on heads 04:30 kaeza to all those bitchers out there: is it too hard to just say 'nice job' without sarcasm? 04:31 sokomine we ought to say thank you more, that's right 04:32 sokomine vanessa is doing a great job. i just think that those poeple who don't like the mese change do not get on well with changes as such 04:32 VanessaE hah 04:32 Muadtralk hmmmm? 04:32 leo_rockway kaeza: what about those dox? 04:32 Muadtralk talking about the changes again? 04:32 VanessaE Muadtralk: talking about how I gave up trying to put the old stuff back in. 04:32 Exio btw, i like the change now mese is 'more normal' :P 04:33 sokomine :-) 04:33 VanessaE people bitch, I try to fix. then pilzadam, who has the keys the repo, bitches. 04:33 sokomine i'm afraid there is really no way to make them all happy :-/ 04:33 Muadtralk what did pilzadam do? 04:33 leo_rockway sokomine: exactly 04:34 Muadtralk after all i agreed with your fix 04:34 VanessaE Muadtralk: refused to push any of my attempted fixes to give users back their old mese. 04:34 kaeza leo_rockway: it was just an attempt at documenting something that wasn't documented yet 04:35 kaeza *properly documented* 04:35 leo_rockway kaeza: why did they stop you? I don't get it. 04:35 Muadtralk his reasoning? 04:35 kaeza I just won't waste my time doing something if everyone is starting to bitch 04:36 VanessaE Muadtralk: it leads to inconsistencies with what will be found underground - old mese or new mese-crystals-in-stone. 04:36 kizeren personally I love the new mese. Works awesome with the mint mod. That and it makes much more sense. 04:36 leo_rockway kaeza: more and better documentation is always good... I don't get it :S 04:36 VanessaE it was the only way I could solve everyone's problem. 04:36 kaeza leo_rockway: : https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/361 04:36 moltenbot kaeza's link: Added texture transformations documentation to MT Lua API docs. by kaeza ? Pull Request #361 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 04:36 Muadtralk time for me to bitch to pilzadam then 04:36 VanessaE and the only one who even looks at minetest_game anymore, pilzadam, says no. 04:37 VanessaE so fuck it. I give up. take my code from (closed) pull request #82 (the first commit only) and see if you can make him like it. 04:38 VanessaE (ignore the three commits that follow it, those were further attempts to fix it followed by failed attempts to revert and rebase so I could collapse it all into one commit) 04:38 leo_rockway :S 04:38 Muadtralk huh 04:39 VanessaE Muadtralk: here's the patch I wanted to add: https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest_game/commit/b304e242f4a7b5e9769281059fbe1505e6b9afa8 04:39 Muadtralk sounds like that optimization that didnt get tested before being submitted and therefore got kiboshed 04:39 sokomine texture transformation? sounds good. can it be done? apart from animated textures like in vanessas tv? i changed my grass to tv for testing purposes. that worked, but was not suitable for a 4seasons-replacement as intended 04:39 Muadtralk although this one has no reasoning 04:40 kaeza leo_rockway: if there are enough upvotes here, I may expand it. otherwise, just meh 04:40 Muadtralk VanessaE you gave up too quickly 04:40 Muadtralk it took 3 comments to knock you off your horse 04:41 VanessaE Muadtralk: you didn't see the chat here in IRC between pilzadam and I. 04:41 Muadtralk was it large? 04:41 VanessaE large enough. 04:41 Muadtralk hmmm did you send Jordach in as backup? 04:41 Muadtralk he has good speaking skills 04:41 * VanessaE shrugs 04:42 Muadtralk okay i missed a m so he isnt going to get pissed at me 04:42 sokomine for some of us english isn't the first language. while that may not always show it may make it more difficult when it gets to some details or talking friendly with other people. i understand most but have a rather small working vocabulary. and a lot of adjectives remain a mystery. those things might affect other people as well 04:43 sokomine it's sometimes hard enough to work together when all people speak the same language :-) 04:43 OldCoder sokomine, Hmm? 04:43 OldCoder Ah 04:44 OldCoder sokomine, Your English seems perfect 04:44 sokomine thanks. but if we where actually speaking and not writing i'd be completly lost 04:44 sokomine and if i want to discuss details about e.g. possible improvements to a house in one of the mt/mc worlds it gets complicated 04:45 leo_rockway sokomine: what's your mother tongue? 04:45 sokomine german 04:47 sokomine what i'm trying to say is that we (the non-native speakers) might miss some details of english. and those may be relevant as to how the reader perceives something said 04:48 sokomine most will be meant far less harsh than it sounds :-) 04:49 leo_rockway mhm, that makes sense. 04:50 leo_rockway but even using the same language... 04:50 sokomine yes. even there you get those problems far too often :-( 04:50 leo_rockway if you're angry, you'll read what people tell you using an angry tone. 04:50 Muadtralk of course most of native English speakers butcher the language either way 04:50 Muadtralk :P 04:50 sokomine or just reading too fast or beeing to tired or too focussed on something 04:50 sokomine :-) 04:50 sokomine as do germans with their language 04:51 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/366 04:51 Muadtralk ill jump on the too tired train 04:51 moltenbot kaeza's link: Add a list of servers to the Multiplayer tab by Jeija ? Pull Request #366 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 04:51 kaeza WOW 04:51 Muadtralk yes! 04:51 leo_rockway one of Wikipedia's pillars is "Assume good faith". I think that solves a lot of issues. 04:51 Muadtralk pull it in now! 04:51 Muadtralk anyone! 04:51 sokomine oh yes, that would be a good thing, such a server list 04:51 kaeza leo_rockway: +1 04:51 * sokomine nods to leo 04:51 VanessaE leo_rockway: you wish! 04:51 leo_rockway VanessaE: I didn't say all o.o 04:52 kaeza YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!! 04:52 VanessaE leo_rockway: another one of their cardinal rules is, "if a rule stops you from improving Wikipedia, ignore all the rules [and do it anyway]." 04:52 leo_rockway fly, you fools -.- 04:53 sokomine one part of the lord of the rings was just repeated yesterday :-) maybe he was watching that on tv ,-) 04:53 leo_rockway VanessaE: there you go. So don't try to fix the new mese. The changed was pulled, end of story. 04:54 VanessaE leo_rockway: I wanted to improve it further so people who needed old mese still have it. Pilzadam says, of the current state, that if peoples' buildings are undesireably altered by the change, they just need to tear down, re-invest, and re-build with less-cheap materials. 04:55 VanessaE (paraphrase) 04:56 Muadtralk kay then 04:56 VanessaE e.g. rebuild with mese blocks = 9 times as much of the stuff. 04:56 sokomine it would be nice if we could distinguish between "automaticly generated block" and "block placed by player" 04:56 Muadtralk tell him to add wool recipes 04:56 Muadtralk that way we can use yellow wool 04:56 VanessaE Muadtralk: he'll tell you to install a mod. 04:56 Muadtralk its in the default! 04:56 NakedFury who the hell would build with the weird old mese blocks??????????????????????????????????? 04:56 Muadtralk so are dyes! 04:56 VanessaE (e.g. Jordach's woolcraft) 04:56 Muadtralk I would 04:56 VanessaE NakedFury: I've seen it done. 04:57 Muadtralk Ive built massive statues! 04:57 Muadtralk using several stacks! 04:57 sokomine is there any real problem with a mod for those people? there is some oldmese mod? doesn't that help? 04:57 VanessaE hey, IP. 04:57 VanessaE world not loading again? 04:57 InfinityProject @VanessaE, the server is bugging 04:57 VanessaE restarted. 04:57 InfinityProject parts of the world arnet loading 04:57 kaeza hi InfinityProject 04:58 sokomine hm, sometimes people did build with the old mese blocks. usually nothing large because that would look too stupid 04:58 InfinityProject hello kaeza 04:58 sokomine i have one in my manson on display :-) 04:58 Muadtralk but still he would say add a mod 04:58 Muadtralk so.... 04:58 VanessaE on redcrab's server, before the mapgen killed it, was a small shop made of the stuff, and another long before that with mese as pavement in front of the building 04:59 NakedFury fugly 04:59 Muadtralk let me fetch an image of one of my uses of it 04:59 sokomine yes, i saw mese as pavement somewhere. was only a small area at that house 04:59 Muadtralk its isnt very ugly from far away 04:59 InfinityProject Thankyou Vanessa 05:00 sokomine ok, if you can get far enough away it might look good. that usually is hindered by loading all the chunks requiring time 05:00 VanessaE Muadtralk: the only solution to make everyone happy is to take #82, add an ABM to it to convert all old mese to mese-crystals-in-stone under some certain depth e.g. -100 or lower, and push that to minetest_game master. 05:00 sokomine it is difficult for me to see cactuz' eiffel tower on redcrabs server. if i want to see it i have to climb it first. otherwise it isn't loaded 05:01 VanessaE (and pray that no one tries to place any of it below that depth, lest it also be converted right away) 05:01 VanessaE sokomine: same for me. 05:01 sokomine :-) 05:01 sokomine people like caves too much. you'd end up with someone trying to build a mese fortress at -1000 or something :-) 05:02 VanessaE exactly. Someone on my server build a moderately-sized dwelling a few meters underground, out of (the new) mese blocks. 05:02 VanessaE three floors, split level if I remember right 05:02 sokomine inocudom? 05:03 VanessaE don't remember 05:03 Muadtralk http://imageshack.us/a/img23/8610/screenshot20723352.png 05:03 sokomine there are several people who look out for caves. they ought to settle down in our cave at greenvale :-) 05:03 VanessaE Muadtralk: that figure looks familiar 05:04 Muadtralk ive built it on every server i visited 05:04 Muadtralk except the newer ones 05:04 VanessaE what is it? 05:04 Muadtralk the rude bird 05:04 sokomine muadtralk: might be a good statue. difficult to see on a single image. flying around it would certainly be fun and give a better impression :-) 05:05 sokomine rude bird? 05:05 Muadtralk a political figure my grandfather created 05:05 sokomine it looks like a bird, yes 05:05 VanessaE ah 05:05 sokomine ah 05:06 Muadtralk trust me the severed head behind the wall its guarding was better 05:06 Muadtralk but i didnt snap many pics back then 05:07 VanessaE sorta reminds me of something out of The Far Side. 05:08 Muadtralk a slightly more 3d version http://imageshack.us/a/img688/5627/screenshot160637871.png 05:08 Muadtralk that wasnt finished 05:10 sokomine the car looks good as well 05:11 Muadtralk not mine 05:11 Muadtralk :P 05:11 sokomine hm, and lighting seems a problem sometimes. my large minecraft-classic-townhall didn't work in minetest because it was extremly dark inside (until i made all blocks emit light) 05:11 sokomine which server are they on? 05:12 Muadtralk infinity 05:12 Muadtralk you know Jordan4ibanez's one 05:13 Muadtralk the old one is gameboom obviously 05:14 Muadtralk there is an old mineshaft that should still lead to it 05:14 Muadtralk that is if you can find it 05:14 Muadtralk it was directly under bad_commands castle 05:14 sokomine havn't been on that one yet 05:14 Muadtralk which is now a hole in the ground 05:15 sokomine instructions where to find good buildings on servers would be nice :-) 05:15 Muadtralk it would 05:15 Muadtralk I knew some epic ones on Gameboom that i can still find 05:15 Muadtralk but.... 05:16 Muadtralk it usually means traversing a map with me for an hour to even see it 05:16 sokomine does the gameboom server has something like teleporters? i wish for them on redcrabs server. kingarthur has them - and they are very practical 05:16 Muadtralk it did 05:16 sokomine urgs 05:16 Muadtralk they got removed 05:16 sokomine :-( 05:16 sokomine why? 05:16 Muadtralk after people got pissed at the moderator Bad_command 05:16 Muadtralk demanded he be removed 05:16 Muadtralk so... 05:17 Muadtralk he deleted them 05:17 Muadtralk and he is the only person who can bring them back 05:17 sokomine oh :-( 05:17 leo_rockway the idea of mese being an alien crystal made me want alien mobs. I've mentioned that... but also, I like how Minecraft has abandoned mineshafts / ravines. MT could have aliens land sites / crashsites. 05:17 Muadtralk yes! 05:17 leo_rockway that would make us different from MC 05:18 Muadtralk replace the dungeons we had with those! 05:18 sokomine oh, yes, aliens would be nice :-) 05:18 Muadtralk not the green ones 05:18 Muadtralk only the white ones 05:18 Muadtralk they taste better 05:18 leo_rockway no, more like oreki (or however it was spelled) 05:18 Muadtralk oerkki 05:19 sokomine i don't like the mystery stuff minecraft seems to have (sekeltons? come on......). but there is nothing wrong with aliens. they might be possible. but if they have crashsites everywhere the question arises why they can't fly.... 05:19 Muadtralk we need a bow and arrow 05:19 leo_rockway the DM attack the aliens too 05:19 Muadtralk or a laser gun 05:20 Muadtralk so we can shoot down UFO's 05:20 leo_rockway and they make the aliens UFOs crash 05:20 VanessaE maybe on Earth they can't make the materials needed to fly? :-) 05:20 sokomine the dm have nice living areas 05:20 VanessaE Muadtralk: throwing mod, and technic laser drill 05:20 sokomine why do the aliens fly that deep then? 05:20 Muadtralk yes I know 05:20 VanessaE make those do the job :-) 05:20 Muadtralk actually muavebic was working on some cool things last i checked 05:21 leo_rockway I'd really like throwing mod to have a throwing animation 05:21 Muadtralk and decaying arrows 05:21 sokomine he seems to build cool things as well based on his screenshots 05:21 sokomine arrows...hm...in a world with microprocessors? 05:21 sokomine and tnt...sometimes 05:22 leo_rockway you have to start somewhere 05:22 leo_rockway you were in one of the ufos that crashed and you need to survive o.o 05:22 sokomine sounds good 05:23 Muadtralk or you stole the device needed for them to fly 05:23 leo_rockway and that's why they all attack you 05:23 Exio and now they want it back! 05:24 Muadtralk and thats why they are on the ground! 05:24 sokomine crashed ufos might also supply further inhabitants in the future. those npc have to come from somewhere. having them roam around like animals isn't convincing 05:24 Muadtralk yes yes 05:25 sokomine or mese is really usefull stuff that the aliens need for their technology? very valuable, far more advanced than what the players can build with it 05:26 leo_rockway I'd really like to see this in MT for real. 05:28 sokomine yes. that would be fun! 05:29 Muadtralk well now that we have put this into a idea 05:29 Muadtralk it will never come to be 05:29 Muadtralk simple as that 05:30 leo_rockway >.< 05:30 thexyz marktraceur: you should try asking him in -dev 05:32 Muadtralk goodbye all! 05:37 sokomine why not? :-( 05:41 Kacey hello 05:44 Kacey hello? 05:45 Kacey anybody home? 05:47 kaeza hey 05:47 Kacey hola 05:47 kaeza finished your decored? 05:47 kaeza decoder* 05:49 Kacey almost 2 more outputs to go 05:49 kaeza good 05:49 VanessaE hi 05:49 Kacey and then i have to make the display 05:53 Kacey one more output 05:53 Kacey brb 05:57 Kacey finished with decoder 06:05 kaeza k 06:05 kaeza screenies? 06:05 kaeza meh 06:05 * kaeza goes back to memebase 06:09 Kacey sorry i was looking for a seven segment display drawing/ circut design 06:11 Exio :O quake3 in android working 06:11 Exio it works in a lg p350 perfectly! (i don't have any real keyboard so i can't move, but.. ) 06:12 kaeza just... WOW 06:12 jojoa1997 what does this mean 06:12 jojoa1997 01:10:19: VERBOSE[main]: error_message = Some exception: "Access violation" 06:12 kaeza Access Violation yet again? 06:12 kaeza hmm 06:13 jojoa1997 this is the first time for me 06:13 kaeza jojoa1997: are you using MOBF? 06:14 jojoa1997 one sec i will paste the errors in the debug 06:14 jojoa1997 http://paste.dy.fi/JHs 06:14 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: pastebin 06:15 VanessaE jojoa1997: probably the result of that recovery you tried to do. 06:15 VanessaE those are the same sorts of errors I was getting with your display boxes mod. 06:15 VanessaE delete technic and tetris_machine and re-download them from their original sources. 06:15 jojoa1997 i dont hink so i downloaded it 06:16 jojoa1997 redownloaded 06:16 kaeza VanessaE: just asking, but what commands would you find useful for remote server admin? 06:16 VanessaE you may have installed them to the wrong folders. 06:16 Exio now i need a bluetooth keyboard 06:16 Exio and i'm done for playing quake3 in everywhere! 06:17 VanessaE kaeza: basic stuff from the node_ownership mod, maybe a few random server commands like /ban or so 06:17 jojoa1997 nope i had been running the modpack file not the actual folder 06:17 jojoa1997 file=folder 06:17 VanessaE I haven't really thought about it too much 06:17 VanessaE /grant is helpful too 06:17 kaeza sounds like a good idea 06:17 kaeza remote ban 06:17 Exio why not a 'insecure exec'? :P 06:18 kaeza that's also a good idea! 06:18 kaeza let's have fun crashing Kacey's server again! :P 06:18 VanessaE heh 06:18 VanessaE I didn't say they'd make for good remote admin commands :-) 06:18 VanessaE just that they're what I use most :-) 06:20 Exio so, you keep banning people? :P 06:20 kaeza she doesn't need to; it's enough with the horrible lag 06:20 kaeza :P 06:20 VanessaE :P 06:20 kaeza lol J/K 06:21 kaeza it's been faster lately 06:21 VanessaE well that's one way to keep the griefing at bay - the server lags so much that only a serious player would bother ;) 06:22 Exio kaeza: do you have any spare bluetooth keyboard? 06:22 kaeza yup 06:22 Exio :P i need one! 06:23 kaeza here's the link: http://room/desktop/keyboard.zip 06:23 VanessaE haha 06:23 Exio ok 06:23 * Exio downloads it 06:23 Exio and btw, i need more ram 06:23 * Exio opens downloadmoreram.com 06:23 kaeza lol 06:24 kaeza seems legit 06:24 Exio :P 06:25 Kacey ok decoder is done 06:25 Kacey now for the display decoder 06:25 * VanessaE looks at the map of her server... still no nyan cats? come on people, get busy :-) 06:26 kaeza I srsly need to make a Super Mario theme music box 06:26 VanessaE yup 06:26 kaeza BTW I changed the pirate poker face in the forums. hope you like the new one ^_^ 06:29 VanessaE haven't seen it yet 06:32 kaeza hmm I think I'll wait until I have some secure authentication before making more commands 06:34 VanessaE morning Jeija 06:36 Jeija morning VanessaE + everyone 06:36 jojoa1997 does anyone have the uranium mod 06:36 Exio morning Jeija 06:37 jojoa1997 morning Jeija 06:37 Exio but night for me, going to sleep, bye :P 06:37 jojoa1997 adios 06:37 Exio chau :D 06:38 jojoa1997 well does anyone 06:39 Kacey Jeija:i have successfully made a 4-bit decoder 06:45 Dogzilla131 bye 06:47 kaeza morning Jeija 06:47 * kaeza is slowpoke 06:48 jojoa1997 what is the texture atlas thing that you put in the config file that turns atlas off 06:49 jojoa1997 what do you type 06:49 VanessaE enable_texture_atlas = false 06:49 jojoa1997 thanks 07:05 Kacey making a sevven segment display 07:05 Jeija Nice, Kacey 07:05 Kacey i have a 4-bit decoder made already 07:20 Kacey soooooooo many sbi commands 07:21 kaeza anyone interested in this idea: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-12-26#i_2756411 07:21 kaeza +? 07:23 kaeza hmm... another question... 07:24 kaeza is the nyancat generation code in C++? 07:24 kaeza or in Lua? 07:26 Kacey the worst part is... i have no resource to go to... 07:26 Kacey Jeija: +99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 for the microcontroller 07:34 Kacey 0 coded into the display 07:35 VanessaE ok, time for me to crash. 07:35 VanessaE night all. 07:35 kaeza night V 07:35 kaeza Kacey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-segment_display 07:35 moltenbot kaeza's link: Seven-segment display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 07:35 kaeza See the "Displaying letters setcion" 07:35 Kacey night v 07:36 kaeza See the "Displaying letters" section 07:36 Kacey i dont need to display letters 07:36 kaeza ... 07:36 Kacey just numbers 07:36 kaeza could you please at least look at it? 07:36 Kacey ok 07:40 Kacey kinda helps 07:42 Kacey sbi this sbi that.... 07:42 jojoa1997 what do i type to update my local repo onto github.com 07:45 jojoa1997 anyone 07:46 Kacey 1 is coded in now... 07:47 Kacey and looking at the record... this will take FOREVER!!!!!! 07:47 kaeza jojoa1997: hmm 07:48 kaeza you want to update your mod? 07:48 jojoa1997 which mod 07:48 kaeza jojoa1997: what do you want to do? 07:49 jojoa1997 nvm i wanted to make a minetest backup but i decided not to 07:49 kaeza k 07:53 Kacey 2 is coded in 07:53 Kacey 13 more to go and then i have to make the real display 07:54 Kacey hello 08:00 OldCoder Hi 08:00 * OldCoder is resting 08:00 * OldCoder should be here all day Friday after waking up 08:00 * OldCoder will be working on Europe, Vanessa World, build scripts for people, and client binaries 08:01 OldCoder Zzz 08:01 kaeza :) 08:01 kaeza good night OC 08:01 jojoa1997 good night yall i am retiring for the night 08:01 kaeza night 08:03 Kacey well i guess you and i are the only ones on kaeza 08:03 Kacey 3 coded in 08:03 kaeza yup 08:04 Kacey lol i need 12 more and then i have to make the actual display 08:06 Kacey this is getting boring 08:13 Kacey 4 coded in... 09:10 kaeza mkay. time to go. good night/morning everyone 09:21 Zeg9 Hello 10:00 markveidemanis Hello 10:16 kaeza hi 10:30 klunk ... hi kaeza ! 10:30 kaeza hi klunk 10:30 kaeza what's up? 10:33 klunk bohh nothing really new... 10:35 Zeg9 Hi kaeza, klunk 10:35 kaeza hey Zeg9 10:36 klunk I totally disagree with merchandising crisis around there, and some other stuffs with forum; I hope I will wrong but youtube flooding wont do nothing more than give community a huge amount of exclusive consumer asshole. 10:36 klunk salut zeg9 10:37 kaeza Zeg9: I was just reading your post about the chest Josh requested 10:38 klunk I would prefer articles in wikipedia and stuff like that, I guess they give us more contributive people. 10:38 Calinou wikipedia article? try harder! 10:38 Calinou --wikipedia admin 10:40 klunk Calinou: j'ai pas compris ce que tu dit, mais j'ai vu combien s'était difficile dans le wikipedia Anglais. 10:42 Calinou un français :D 10:42 klunk oui et du Sud ! 10:42 kaeza no entiendo nada de lo que dicen 10:43 klunk yes we just saying nothing important :-) 10:43 Calinou ich not bin spanish 10:44 Zeg9 /bin/spanish 10:47 Calinou /usr/bin/native_french 10:48 klunk Perhaps we must do revues on other places, then link them to wikipedia article ; french wikipedia article is thin, but it seems to be "accepted"; perhaps having other wikipedia lnguage revues could help to validate english one ? 10:49 Zeg9 "Minetest is a sandbox game" << citation needed 10:49 Calinou lol 10:49 Calinou that WILL happen 10:50 Zeg9 OMG! 10:50 Zeg9 http://ompldr.org/vZ3V6Yg 10:52 Calinou simple mobs much 10:52 Zeg9 Any clue how I can beat them? 10:53 * Zeg9 will try tnt 10:53 Calinou sword and lava 10:56 Zeg9 The tnt was destroyed by DM. 10:56 Calinou lava then 10:58 Zeg9 They are blocking access to my mine, where is my unique lava lake :( 10:59 Zeg9 I'll try some workaround... 10:59 Zeg9 Hi 10:59 Zeg9 john_minetest, what I am doing atm: http://ompldr.org/vZ3V6Yg 11:03 Zeg9 Yeah ! Thanks for your idea Calinou. :D 11:06 Calinou yey clementine crash 11:06 Calinou yey another clementine crash 11:06 Calinou yey yet another clementine crash 11:07 Zeg9 Now the debug time 11:07 Zeg9 After I removed the lava, this area was still lit 11:08 Zeg9 Yeah. 11:08 Zeg9 But mobf has a sort of creeper that also spawns on the grass 11:08 Zeg9 and blows up everything :p 11:10 sapier the others were out of sync with server @john_minetest 11:11 sapier boombomb vanishes in sunlight without blowing up ... but as entity handling is somehow broken client often won't notice there ain't an entity anymore and still show it 11:12 markveidemanis how do i connect mithril chests o a network/ 11:12 markveidemanis ? 11:13 sapier thx but it's not my work I just selected it .. not exactly they spawn at places where light value between day and night has huge differences ... most likely this is surface true 11:14 Zeg9 Sneak + Right click on cart to leave it = Teleport to somewhere 11:14 sapier but zombie spawning algorithm is really heavy and subject to change (as soon as I have an idea how to do it less costly) 11:14 sapier by the way its vombie not zombie :-) 11:16 sapier true, still I'm not sure if this will result in lots and lots of lag 11:17 kaeza hmmm... I can't count the times I pissed in my pants when exploring a dark cave and all of a sudden a DM appeared 11:17 sapier I've already thought of spawners but how to make sure they don't get "lost" by some player interaction 11:18 kaeza btw hi everyone 11:18 sapier hello :) 11:18 Zeg9 Make they have no group, so clients won't dig them 11:19 * Jordach just tried to pause a minetest video on yt using esc 11:19 sapier can one make it really invisible to client? 11:20 kaeza sapier: use a *very small* nodebox 11:20 kaeza or copy the player clip from maptools 11:20 Calinou it is possible to make invisible nodeboxes without using a separate node or a specific texture 11:20 sapier So we're talking about some sort of "invisible entity" 11:20 Calinou make the nodeboxes VERY small borders 11:20 Calinou that's what xfences do 11:21 Calinou it is an hack, but invisible unless your screen resolution is something like 6800x2400 11:21 Jordach Calinou, i dont even think NASA'S huge screen does it 11:22 sapier a good idea, might be a solution for those of my spawn algorithms beeing still too heavy 11:22 sapier hopefully this won't make minetests entity handling colapse 11:23 sapier as it most likely will double entity count 11:23 Zeg9 Make a check on each spawn 11:23 Zeg9 if there isn't more than X mobs on the chunk 11:23 sapier of course thats done anyway 11:24 sapier but still for each mob generated there'll be sitting a spawner around 11:24 sapier @john_minetest in general they don't 11:24 Zeg9 Or... 11:24 Zeg9 Make mobs generate with the map 11:24 Zeg9 and then they reproduce 11:25 sapier boombomb vombie dm and big_red are killed by sunlight 11:26 sapier @zeg9 good idea but is a little bit too complicated to balance 11:26 Zeg9 Yeah. 11:26 sapier no, I didn't have graphics by now ... but seems there's a 3d model for them so adding would be a matter of minutes 11:27 sapier I think I'll implement a entity based spawn mechanism ... mobf already supports that many features adding another one won't harm ... especially if there are chances to improove performance 11:30 sapier mesh is already supported and nodeboxes removal is already in progress 11:30 sapier boombomb for example already got a shiny new sphere mesh 11:31 sapier the cow got one too including walk stand and eat animation 11:40 sapier I'm neither good at making models nor textures ;-) 11:44 thexyz marktraceur: should core docs be in Core: or in main namespace? 11:54 kaeza hmm... can you read the key states from lua? 11:55 kaeza I mean, is there a function in the MT Lua API to read whether or not a key is pressed at a given moment? 11:55 Jordach yes, only the default keys assigned for sneaking, walking, maus buttons, flying, jumping etc 11:55 Jordach how do you think you can enter carts> 11:56 kaeza hmm 11:56 kaeza what I mean is *any* key 11:56 Jordach no, that cant be 11:56 Jordach sorry. 11:56 kaeza ok 11:56 Jordach minetest has not got that yet.... 11:56 kaeza that would be awesome 11:57 kaeza or atleast a bind command 11:57 Jordach code it yourself. 11:57 kaeza nice idea 11:58 kaeza but before doing it, I wish to know if this feature is wanted 12:01 Jordach it could be useful for a car mod or fighter jet mod (who wants missles and bombs!? not to mention realistic flight) 12:16 kaeza yay and next we add ICBM launchers 12:17 kaeza :P 12:18 kaeza nah, but that would be cool 12:20 Jordach RealBadAngel, you around by chance> 12:30 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: if you are around (by chance) then: whats the status on technic? 12:30 Jordach iqualfragile, I would have suggested a pm so he can read it later. 12:30 iqualfragile good idea 12:39 Jordach VanessaE, sfan5, thexyz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59887#p59887 this topic is about a CERTAIN DATE.. should this be kept? 12:39 moltenbot Jordach's link: [Mod]911[WIP][911] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 12:39 sfan5 Jordach: yed 12:39 sfan5 *yes 12:39 Jordach sfan5, read the topic wrong 12:39 Jordach actually it is the rescue service 12:40 Jordach hey Zeg9 - im gonna visit yer server 12:41 Zeg9 Hello 12:44 * Jordach signs in gleefully 12:47 Jordach Zeg9, can you drop me some privs on zegatron? 12:50 kaeza does anyone know who "...@rrcs-96-11-145-30.central.biz.rr.com" may be? 12:52 kaeza whoever it is, it is trying to use an older version of my IRC mod 12:54 FreeFull Imagine mods that expire 12:54 FreeFull And you can't use them after a certain date 12:54 FreeFull So you are forced to use the newest version 12:55 kaeza his/her problem is that particular version seems to be crashing 12:56 FreeFull Of course, if you know how to code, the safeguard is easily circumvented, but then you'll probably grab the newest version anyawy 12:57 kaeza a mod manager that automatically updates (or suggests an update) would be useful 12:59 FreeFull True 12:59 FreeFull Probably a better solution 13:11 iqualfragile uhm… you can just pull from github and then update automaticly? 13:11 iqualfragile https://github.com/iqualfragile/minetest_scripts FreeFull kaeza 13:11 moltenbot Masters link: iqualfragile/minetest_scripts ? GitHub 13:15 Jordach OldCoder, europe.minetest.org 30000 is down 13:15 Jordach !up europe.minetest.org 13:15 moltenbot Minetest server europe.minetest.org:30000 DOWN 13:19 kaeza iqualfragile: that would be good, but not all mods are hosted on github 13:19 iqualfragile it will just ignore hosts wich are not updateable via a git or hg-repository 13:19 iqualfragile and i think we should force everybody to have such a repository 13:20 iqualfragile or at least a link wich allways points to the newest version of their mod 13:20 iqualfragile so its wget-able 13:20 kaeza iqualfragile: also, bash scripts are bad for windows 13:20 iqualfragile kaeza: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH 13:20 Jordach kaeza, CYGWIN. 13:20 iqualfragile wtf? who is gona host a server on windows? 13:20 Jordach iqualfragile, ^^ 13:21 iqualfragile you be kidding me? 13:21 Jordach iqualfragile, i do 13:21 kaeza Jordach: I know 13:21 kaeza but still... 13:21 kaeza also MinGW32/MSYS 13:21 iqualfragile nope, no windows-support from my side 13:21 iqualfragile but i think those scripts could be rewritten in bat or whateverz 13:22 * Jordach prefers updating things by hand] 13:22 kaeza okay, so let's say we drop win support... 13:22 kaeza we cannot force everyone to use github 13:22 Jordach kaeza, if minetest lost win32 support minetest would be dead 13:22 Jordach colder and 0 kelvin 13:22 Jordach than 13:22 kaeza Jordach: it's an hypothetical scenario 13:24 kaeza but also forcing mod devs to add a mod info file with download link is a no-no 13:25 iqualfragile kaeza: why? 13:25 kaeza and a config file would be too big 13:25 iqualfragile kaeza: not force everybody to use github 13:25 iqualfragile but hg or git 13:25 iqualfragile i dont care where its hosted 13:25 markveidemanis Hi all, 13:25 markveidemanis I have Just Put My Server Up 13:26 kaeza hi markveidemanis 13:26 markveidemanis Heloo 13:26 markveidemanis Hello 13:26 markveidemanis want to check out my server? 13:26 kaeza not now, sorry 13:27 markveidemanis creative for building spawn, need to have it in survival ASAP 13:27 markveidemanis anyone want to? 13:27 markveidemanis preferably a good builder 13:42 kaeza iqualfragile: how about something like this? http://pastebin.com/E6ZsA2d2 13:42 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Bash] lalala - Pastebin.com 13:43 kaeza (as a base) 13:43 iqualfragile one does not use cat | grep 13:44 iqualfragile use grep 'filter' file instead 13:44 kaeza meh, just my style 13:44 iqualfragile or at least grep 'filter' < file 13:45 iqualfragile kaeza: while that "might" work there is no real guarantee that there will be only one link wich points to the file 13:45 kaeza yeah 13:45 kaeza I tried it here 13:45 kaeza and cannot actually find the links in most mods 13:45 kaeza but whatever 13:45 kaeza was just bored 13:46 iqualfragile there is not even a guarantee that there is a readme 13:46 kaeza there *should* be a readme in every mod 13:46 iqualfragile == there should be a repos for every mod 13:47 kaeza wrong; most users are not familiar with git and don't want to learn how to use an "useless program" (as I've heard some say) 13:48 iqualfragile hg init, hg serv 13:48 iqualfragile or hg init hg pus 13:48 kaeza s/users/average users/ 13:48 iqualfragile du kannst nicht zufälligerweise deutsch? 13:48 iqualfragile kaeza 13:48 kaeza niet 13:49 kaeza ? 13:49 iqualfragile ok 13:49 iqualfragile well, then we have to get something like bukkit 13:50 kaeza no what I mean is that we should not force users to use *a single type* of repo 13:51 iqualfragile who said that? 13:51 kaeza i.e a mod can use git, hg, svn, dropbox, ... 13:51 iqualfragile i would be allrigt with either: hg, git, any kind ov versioning-system 13:52 iqualfragile and any link wich is wget-able and allways points to the newest version 13:52 kaeza dropbox/mediafire/ompldr are not versioning systems IIRC 13:52 kaeza oh 13:52 kaeza yeah 13:54 kaeza but the issue now is how to maintain a database of mods. maybe rubenwardy can host one on his "Minetest Extensions" website 13:54 kaeza I mean, links to latest version of mods 13:54 iqualfragile thats no real problem, the database-backend is very simple 13:55 iqualfragile but celeron55 would need to make that official 13:55 kaeza true 13:57 kaeza we need a central/official db, otherwise lists may de-sync and blah blah blah 13:59 kaeza actually it doesn't matter if it's "official" as long as the db maintainer tries to keep the db up-to-date somehow 13:59 kaeza s/tries to keep/keeps/ 14:07 Jordach minetest is never going to have a central modding base since xyz over there acts negative about them 14:09 Jordach (even acts pissy about central minetest documentation) 14:11 kaeza meh. so that will be another wasted effort IMHO 14:11 sapier there are already 3 "central" mod repositorys ... only way to get it really centralized is adding some sort of modserver support to core. I've got an idea we rename mod to app at same step and minetest gonna get much more fancy without having to do lots of work ;-) 14:12 kaeza Mac OS fan, huh? 14:12 sapier central modserver would be same benefit apple did when creating a single source of software for its platform ... the appstore 14:13 NakedFury if you dont like apple think of it as an android and its Google Play store 14:13 kaeza ditto Ubuntu, Debian, Puppy, etc etc 14:13 kaeza *any Linux* 14:14 sapier I don't like apple I don't even like the concept of having only one source of software but it's easy and that seems the only thing that matters 14:14 kaeza yeah 14:14 kaeza but no special 'approved by c55' bullshit 14:15 sapier but adding some sort of mod repository / mod packaging to minetest core would be something in between 14:15 kaeza I mean, any modder out there can get their creation on the 'mod store' 14:16 sapier if you use repositorys even any modder could create its own mod store 14:16 sapier but obviously having ones mod on a more common mod store would make things more comfortable for users 14:17 iqualfragile Jordach, kaeza, sapier: good news, celeron is willing to host a official db at minetest.net, it would be possible to use the punbb-credentials to log into the db 14:17 kaeza \o/ 14:18 sapier there are already project out there doing it this way but as it's not part of core it's of no use to do packaging work 14:18 sapier @iqualfragile sounds great 14:19 sapier so we just need to get a mod or core enhancement in place to read that db by default? 14:26 iqualfragile we need to create a db first :D 14:26 iqualfragile but that should not be too hard 14:27 iqualfragile we could even try to parse the forum-posts 14:27 sapier :-) much more easy than adding anything to core ;-) 14:27 iqualfragile in case of doubt: use self-written bash-scripts 14:28 sapier I don't think that'd be necessary if there was a mod browser in core reading db any mod creator will be eager to put her/his mod to that db 14:28 sapier there should be some sort of rating system in there too 14:28 kaeza definitely 14:29 iqualfragile i have allready drafted a db for that some weeks ago 14:29 iqualfragile but im not good at html/design to be honest 14:29 kaeza iqualfragile: what would be HTML for? 14:29 iqualfragile we could allso use texturepacks 14:30 iqualfragile for having a good website to browse the mods? 14:30 kaeza rubenwardy has one 14:30 iqualfragile *use it for texturepacks* 14:30 sapier in game mod browser won't use html ... but of course having a website to see same information would be fine 14:31 iqualfragile i know (both) 14:31 iqualfragile well, then lets get rubenwardy to adapt his application to minetest.net 14:31 kaeza sapier: does the MT gui support multiline text fields? 14:32 kaeza we could embed a short desc on the GUI 14:32 kaeza (plain text only of course) 14:34 sapier first of all there needs to be someone to code it ... I'd probably do it but it's lots of work I've already done lots of work for trash for minetest 14:34 sapier as long as there's not even a signal that mod browser has chances to be included to core I wont start ;-) 14:35 kaeza good point 14:35 iqualfragile sapier: a mod-database would be a good archivement for starters, wouldnt it? 14:35 kaeza how about a separate mod manager 14:35 kizeren In game mod browser i don't see working properly. 14:36 kizeren Too many different ways to compile and run minetest would be coding nightmare to make sure the game knows where it is at. 14:36 sapier @iqualfragile an official "moddb" would be a starting point ... but there are already moddbs ... why should an official one make things that better? 14:37 sapier @kizeren you don't have to support any mode at beginning 14:37 kaeza not necessarily an official one, but a central one 14:38 sapier @kaeza it's only "central" if every mod creator adds her/his mods why should anyone do this if it doesn't have any benefit? 14:38 kaeza well, then we get to the chicken or the egg 14:38 sapier an "official" blessin is a starting point ... no more 14:38 kaeza no one will put the mods there because there is no gain 14:39 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 14:39 iqualfragile sapier: because its offical, creators dont have to create a new accont 14:39 iqualfragile hi adam 14:39 kaeza and no one will gain because there are no mods there 14:39 iqualfragile and we could parse the forums 14:39 kaeza hi PilzAdam 14:39 sapier yes thats a benefit ;-) a small one but still it raises chances 14:40 iqualfragile sapier: celeron sais that he would include a mod-manager with support for the mod-database 14:40 sapier that'd be best way to do it 14:40 iqualfragile gave me that link to a discussion about a mod-manager without db-support: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-12-26#i_2756866 14:40 moltenbot Masters link: IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2012-12-26 14:40 sapier at least in my opinion 14:44 sapier seem's this discussin already took place 2 days ago 14:59 iqualfragile john_minetest: why decentralized? 15:00 iqualfragile oh, great… 15:01 iqualfragile you just would be unable to update your mods or get new mods ingame… 15:01 iqualfragile yeah, the server-database is a bad idea 15:02 NakedFury have 3 central databases around the world. when 1 crashes the next one takes the central position, and it keeps going in a circle 15:02 iqualfragile while the local server-list is great 15:02 kaeza iqualfragile: cached db? 15:03 iqualfragile … 15:03 iqualfragile that would make me trust 300 parties instead of one 15:03 NakedFury many databases that are all updated at the same time and you can choose from which database to download[in case it is closer to you] and their purpose it to serve as backup for crashing emergencies of the primary one 15:05 iqualfragile guys, lets first have such a database, we can later switch to a distributed hashtable 15:06 kaeza well, so the DB *will* be in master then? 15:06 kaeza is that confirmed? 15:06 iqualfragile http://pastebin.com/62tJqGXR 15:06 kaeza s/DB/mod manager/ 15:06 moltenbot Masters link: 16:06:45 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with iqualfragile 16:06:45 I don't think that'd be necessary if there was a mod browser in core reading db any mod creator will be eager to put her/his mod to that db 16:11 rubenwardy there should be some sort of rating system in there too 16:12 rubenwardy Minetest Extensions does that 16:12 kaeza (12:25:23) sapier: there should be some sort of rating system in there too 16:12 kaeza rubenwardy: ^ 16:13 rubenwardy yeah, there is a like system 16:13 rubenwardy I just need someone to do some sliders 16:14 rubenwardy I dont have flash, and i have no idea how to start in js 16:14 kaeza don't ask me 16:14 rubenwardy i could do a radio button system 16:14 kaeza I suck at JS 16:14 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/manual/ 16:15 leo_rockway ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE 16:15 sapier @rubenwardy sorry I've been busy for a while and don't quite get what do you intend to tell me? 16:15 leo_rockway hahaha 16:15 Exio lol 16:15 kaeza :P 16:15 leo_rockway it's an abandoned world o.o 16:16 leo_rockway mancho does join up every day, apparently. And he builds stuff. 16:16 leo_rockway at least that's what the logs say 16:16 sapier i know there are mod lists doing this but no "official" one 16:16 kaeza I should say "WIIIIILSOOOOOOON!" 16:16 rubenwardy mine will be official soon 16:16 rubenwardy as soon as i implement punbb support 16:16 rubenwardy which is easy 16:17 sapier I'm looking forward to it :) 16:17 Jordach leo_rockway, whats your server ip? 16:17 kaeza leo_rockway: I saw a nice (?) tower with a blinky plant on top 16:17 * Jordach is interested 16:17 rubenwardy My minetest manual basis: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/manual/ 16:17 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Manual 16:17 kaeza rubenwardy: +1 16:17 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-manual 16:17 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: rubenwardy/minetest-manual ? GitHub 16:18 * Jordach loves beer 16:19 markveidemanis_ MY SERVER IS FULL NOW 16:19 kaeza john_minetest: spanish translators have the very bad habit of changing names 16:20 kaeza so I may be wrong 16:20 kaeza oh 16:20 kaeza nvm 16:20 rubenwardy sapier: Minetest Extensions is just a database with a HTML front, mod managers can get information from it. 16:20 rubenwardy the 3m mod manager is compatible with it 16:21 * kaeza checks wikipedia 16:21 leo_rockway Jordach: tekk.com.ar 16:22 leo_rockway Wilson was the brand of the ball, I think. Not that I ever watched the movie, but I have seen balls of that brand, IIRC. 16:24 kaeza yup 16:25 sapier @rubenwardy as I've told I'm looking forward for it to be included in minetest default game .. I've got 10+ mods it's lots of work to do packaging for each of it anytime I do a release .. by now to less ppl were using it to be worth it 16:27 PilzAdam Tereasology has an interesting water flowing system 16:28 PilzAdam the flowing_water blocks are cubes too 16:29 markveidemanis_ everyone on my server: sorry for the lagg, using worldedit 16:30 sapier is there a way to tell mapgen not to create worlds in grand canyon style? I don't remember 0.4.3 generating that much clifs 16:30 kaeza rubenwardy: just a small suggestion, but what do you think of an installer for Windows? 16:31 kaeza I could help with that 16:31 VanessaE hi all.. 16:31 kaeza o hai VanessaE 16:31 rubenwardy minetest installer, or mod installer 16:31 rubenwardy ? 16:31 kaeza rubenwardy: minetest 16:31 rubenwardy minetest installer has been done, but it could be better 16:31 VanessaE brb 16:32 kaeza rubenwardy: do you have a link to it handy so I could review what's wrong? 16:33 Jordach VanessaE, hwy 16:33 Jordach hey* 16:33 rubenwardy no, i dont 16:34 kaeza ok 16:35 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2288 16:35 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Installer (windows-only) (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums 16:35 rubenwardy kaeza 16:35 kaeza checking... 16:35 kaeza thanks 16:36 kaeza meh 16:36 kaeza link returns 404 16:37 kaeza (in the forum topic) 16:37 kaeza minetest-INSTALLER-0.4.dev-20120606-c57e508-win32.ZIP (4.89 MB) File is deleted. 16:38 kaeza I will try making a new one 16:39 * rubenwardy is starting the punbb account support process 16:42 Muadtralk yes 16:42 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/download.php 16:42 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Download - Minetest 16:42 VanessaE back 16:42 rubenwardy VanessaE: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/manual/index.html 16:43 Kacey hello 16:43 Kacey keaza neer got off i see 16:43 Kacey never* 16:44 FreeFull Meow 16:44 VanessaE rubenwardy: the basic layout looks good. 16:44 kaeza hi Kacey 16:44 kaeza hi VanessaE 16:44 VanessaE hi 16:46 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4204 <--- I beat out everyone else!? 16:46 VanessaE I claim sample bias! :-) 16:47 kaeza Kacey: wot 16:47 Kacey VanessaE: i finished the decoder 16:47 VanessaE Kacey: screenshot? 16:47 Kacey later let me get this whole device finished 16:47 kaeza VanessaE: kudos 16:47 kaeza ;) 16:48 VanessaE kaeza: ok 16:48 rubenwardy (4:46:49 PM) john_minetest: rubenwardy: "installing minetest" and "inst ... done 16:48 rubenwardy done 16:48 kaeza WOW I got 5 votes!! ^_^ 16:48 * Jordach still finds it funny that no one has voted except for the well known members 16:49 kaeza thanks guys :) 16:49 Muadtralk a vote? 16:50 Muadtralk where? 16:50 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4204 16:50 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Poll] Respected Community Members (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 16:51 Muadtralk ahem why is mijyn and lkjoel counted as seperate votes? 16:51 Muadtralk under number 10 16:51 Muadtralk he is listed twice 16:51 Jordach they are the same dude/dudette 16:51 rubenwardy oh 16:52 Kacey i need to be in that... 16:52 NakedFury those that left should get an automatic -2 votes as penalty 16:52 rubenwardy fixed 16:55 rubenwardy yeah 16:55 M13 rudenwardy, PM? 16:56 rubenwardy if you would like. 16:58 Kacey 5 programmed in 16:59 Kacey one-third of the way done.... 16:59 Kacey brb 17:00 M13 celeron55 17:01 rubenwardy M13: oldcoder could help 17:01 M13 he in sleeping 17:01 M13 ill wait intel he wakes 17:03 Jordach s/intel/until 17:03 kaeza *intel* celeron @ 55 MHz? 17:05 M13 *intel* celeron @ 55 MHz? 17:05 M13 damn thats fast 17:05 M13 lol 17:06 kaeza ;) 17:06 rubenwardy bye all 17:06 kaeza bye rw 17:07 VanessaE seeya 17:08 M13 VanessaE 17:08 PilzAdam hi VanessaE 17:08 VanessaE hi 17:08 M13 PM?? 17:08 VanessaE sure 17:08 M13 ok 17:10 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59979#p59979 17:10 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Mese has changed! (Page 2) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 17:13 VanessaE answered. 17:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, you get it wrong 17:16 VanessaE what? 17:16 Kacey disconnected 17:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, old mese blocks will be converted to new ones (no building will be destroyed); crystals in stone is generated instead of the old mese blocks (like in current git); mese blocks are craftable into 4 crystals and vise versa; mese blocks are generated very deep underground 17:18 PilzAdam this could be a good solution 17:19 VanessaE mese blocks are already craftable - from 9 crystals (and vice versa_ 17:19 PilzAdam still the same 17:19 Calinou someone's using qwerty 17:19 VanessaE it doesn't solve the problem though 17:19 Calinou hi :) 17:19 PilzAdam well, it does 17:20 VanessaE people want their old black-on-yellow mese objects is the problem 17:20 PilzAdam thats only a texture thing 17:20 VanessaE no 17:20 VanessaE it's a nodename thing also 17:20 VanessaE it *HAS TO BE* default:mese or the object becomes worthless. 17:20 VanessaE (because then it doesn't work in any recipe) 17:20 PilzAdam sure, name the new mese block mese 17:21 PilzAdam wheres the problem? 17:21 VanessaE the new block should not generate underground - it's a craftable block, not a naturally-occuring object 17:21 VanessaE same reason we don't spawn steel blocks underground 17:21 PilzAdam diamonds are also underground in RL 17:22 VanessaE but not diamond *blocks* 17:22 PilzAdam diamonds are compressed carbon 17:22 PilzAdam and mese blocks are compressed mese crystals 17:22 VanessaE incorrect - diamonds are compressed *coal*. Not compressed carbon. 17:23 PilzAdam this doesnt change anything 17:23 NakedFury just fuck the chage if you still want those blocks to be generated otherwise just generate crystals and from that craft mese blocks 17:23 VanessaE the carbon in a diamond is the crystal lattice arrangement of the carbon atoms therein, with some impurities. The carbon is not compressed any tighter than any other carbon compound 17:23 iqualfragile VanessaE: you know what coal consists of? 17:23 iqualfragile carbon 17:23 VanessaE iqualfragile: carbon, mostly. 17:23 M13 VanessaE, I got a ssh server up 17:23 iqualfragile and the rest is not in the diamonds 17:23 VanessaE iqualfragile: but coal is carbon + air + a lot of stuff that doesn't burn 17:24 PilzAdam generating mese blocks deep underground would prevent the inconsistency in the use of old and new mese 17:24 Calinou M13: thanks 17:24 Calinou 8D 17:24 iqualfragile so: diamonds are compressed diamonds 17:24 iqualfragile ühm… 17:24 leo_rockway hey, bro, I heard you like diamonds... 17:24 iqualfragile so: diamods are compressed carbon 17:24 Calinou M13: consider 1) using a custom port for SSH, 2) using a (very) strong password :P 17:24 leo_rockway using ssh keys 17:25 leo_rockway and disabling password login through ssh 17:25 VanessaE iqualfragile: still doesn't change the fact that diamond blocks don't exist in nature 17:25 leo_rockway and disabling root login 17:25 Calinou under buntus, root login is disabled by default 17:25 PilzAdam VanessaE, i thought we were talking about mese 17:25 Calinou ssh keys are overrated 17:25 Calinou overcomplicated, too 17:25 Kacey 6 coded in 17:25 Calinou use very long passwords, like, at least 50 characters 17:25 VanessaE PilzAdam: you started it :-) 17:26 iqualfragile VanessaE: there are, the largest diamonds found are gigantic! 17:26 NakedFury under that rule we should also have iron blocks deep underground 17:27 NakedFury and coal blocks too 17:27 PilzAdam NakedFury, no, because mese is something special 17:28 leo_rockway Calinou: I think 50 characters passwords are more complicated than a key 17:28 NakedFury yep, it has an ugly texture 17:28 Calinou leo_rockway: less 8) 17:28 VanessaE iqualfragile: the largest diamond in the world is still "only" about 3100 carats 17:28 Calinou you need something like 600 characters (a-z A-Z 0-9) if you want as much security 17:28 M13 Calinou, PM 17:28 M13 can you help? 17:28 Calinou but if you use special chars, it gets much better 17:29 VanessaE not sure how that translates to geometric size though. 17:29 Calinou use non-ASCII maybe 17:29 Calinou eg. é, × 17:29 VanessaE certainly less than 1m cube :-) 17:29 Calinou (are these allowed in UNIX passwords?) 17:29 VanessaE and there's only one of those in the world. 17:29 leo_rockway Calinou: most likely. 17:29 iqualfragile NakedFury: no, you need to smelt ore before you got iron-blocks 17:29 Kacey my guy in minetest is super strong 17:30 Kacey he carries around tons of stone 17:31 VanessaE PilzAdam: at any rate.. old mese should go away over time. 17:31 leo_rockway Kacey: that's because he was part of an alien experiment 17:31 VanessaE if we keep generating it, at any depth, it will never go away, which defeats the whole purpose of the new mese model. 17:32 VanessaE and if that's the case you may as well revert my "new mese" commit and relegate it to some obscure mod that no one will ever use. 17:32 Kacey lol 17:32 VanessaE (of course I'd prefer that didn't happen) 17:33 devlab i'm curious if the developer of the lavacooling mod is here, Hello 17:33 Kacey Max made that i think.... 17:34 Kacey who does it say on the forums... 17:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: so what's the decision here? Is old mese deprecated in favor of the new model, or was this all a bunch of wasted work? 17:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, what do you think about this: https://gist.github.com/4400060 ? 17:36 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400060 17:36 kaeza we are making efforts to make a wider audience aware of minetest, so, IMHO, a wacky yellow block defeats also the purpise of this initiative. Those who want it for nostalgia should use the new_mese (or whatchacallit) mof 17:36 * VanessaE looks 17:36 PilzAdam it converts old mese into the new block and spawns crystals 17:37 kaeza purpose* mod* 17:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: why do you craft old mese out of 6 crystals, but it crafts back to 9 crystals? 17:38 PilzAdam no 17:38 PilzAdam the diff is just cut off 17:38 Muadtralk VanessaE and Pilzadam Meseblocks cant be used as fuel 17:38 VanessaE oh right, diff artifact. 17:38 Muadtralk why is this? 17:38 VanessaE Muadtralk: use a crystal. 17:38 Muadtralk no 17:38 Muadtralk but im saying 17:38 Muadtralk if something is made out of burnable crystals 17:39 Muadtralk it should be burnable as well 17:39 PilzAdam yea, Ill remove that 17:39 Zeg9 PilzAdam, I like your idea of having mese blocks spawning deeper 17:39 PilzAdam (the burnable crystal) 17:39 PilzAdam Zeg9, will add this maybe 17:39 PilzAdam and it wasnt my idea 17:39 Muadtralk or just add burnable mese_blocks 17:39 leo_rockway so mese == dilitium \o/ 17:39 Muadtralk cause thats what i use as fuel anyway 17:39 Zeg9 Well, I like someone's idea of spawning mese blocks deeper :D 17:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: this gist is on top of my unmerged commit? 17:40 NakedFury make 2 versions. one to please you all and the other for people that just dont want a block with words on it and would like to move forward and not be stuck in the past 17:40 PilzAdam nope 17:40 kaeza Muadtralk: why not use plain coal? 17:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, on top of git 17:40 PilzAdam *current git 17:40 VanessaE ok 17:40 Muadtralk cause mese used to burn better 17:40 Muadtralk and old habits die hard 17:40 PilzAdam it basically is your patch but without the "old_mese" block 17:41 kaeza Muadtralk: yes, but coal is much more easy to find 17:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok, merge it I guess. 17:41 kaeza I have like 10000 coal lumps (literally) 17:41 PilzAdam Jeija, https://gist.github.com/4400060 if this gets upstream you have to change mesecons; mesecons wire recipe overrides the block -> 9 crystals recipe 17:41 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400060 17:41 Muadtralk then mese should burn longer 17:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: he already did that. cook a crystal to get mesecons wires. 17:42 Calinou mese shouldn't be an efficient fuel 17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, the old recipe (mese -> 16 wires) is still there and overrides the default recipe 17:42 kaeza yeah 17:42 Muadtralk why shouldnt it be? 17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: ohh 17:42 Muadtralk its a fossil fuel 17:42 Muadtralk :P 17:42 PilzAdam @all I removed the mese burn functionality 17:42 Muadtralk no!!!! 17:42 Calinou NO 17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: well go ahead and merge it I guess 17:42 kaeza yes!! 17:42 Calinou PLEASE PUT GNOME 2 BACK 17:42 Calinou oops, wrong channel 17:43 devlab lol 17:43 Muadtralk time to make a mese burning mod :P 17:43 kaeza lol 17:43 Jordach i dont think Calinou was in the wrong channel 17:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, there is still 1 thing to discuss: should mese blocks be spawned _*very*_ rare? 17:43 kaeza Muadtralk: go ahead ;) 17:43 VanessaE incredibly so. 17:43 Jordach near -7000 to -31000 17:43 VanessaE if you spawn them at all, 17:43 Jeija No, please not! 17:44 VanessaE they should be no less than 1/9 as frequent as mese-in-stone 17:44 kaeza MESE picks are an extremely powerful tool 17:44 Jeija I'd say spawn very few even higher than currently, maybe all in all make it rarer 17:44 kaeza so it should be more rare 17:44 Calinou VanessaE: did you make mese rarer when making them blocks and crystals? 17:44 kaeza oh nvm 17:44 Calinou should be a bit rarer imo 17:44 NakedFury spawn them at 31990 deep so we can only see them for 10 blocks before its over 17:44 VanessaE (er, 1/9 as frequent or even less frequent than that) 17:44 VanessaE Calinou: no. 17:44 Calinou minetest shouldn't be an easy game :P 17:44 VanessaE I did not. 17:44 Jeija wait....are we talking about mese blocks or mese ore? 17:45 Calinou ore 17:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, there are currently 2 generate_ore() functions for mese; should I just change the first one to block? 17:45 Calinou also, why not add very rare mese blocks like PilzAdam said? 17:45 Jeija because VanessaE started a conversation about spawning blocks... 17:45 Muadtralk i think that mese should only be down very very far 17:45 Calinou and make ore rarer 17:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, and make it deeper 17:45 Jordach thats what she said! 17:45 VanessaE Jeija: default:stone_with_mese as often as default:mese was, default:mese_block 1/9 as often as that, and yes certainly way deeper. 17:46 Jeija That sounds good, VanessaE! 17:46 Muadtralk after all the depth of minetest is massive 17:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: mese blocks at Y=-1000 and lower. 17:46 Muadtralk why not use it! 17:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: if they're 9 times as valuable, they should be 8-9 times as lower since they need more pressure 17:47 Jeija -1000 actually is a lot; maybe better -400? 17:47 NakedFury why 1/9? why not 1/64? or something massive 17:47 kaeza hmm... there really should be an ultra-mega-extremely rare material at -30000 and below :) 17:47 PilzAdam Jeija, you get 9 (!) crystals with one block 17:47 Jordach it should be called the core 17:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: I don't see a recipe in your gist to do anything with default:mese_block. It should craft into 9 crystals. 17:48 Muadtralk soulstone1 17:48 Muadtralk !* 17:48 PilzAdam default:mese_block => default:mese 17:48 kaeza DarkStone! (TM) 17:48 Muadtralk it needs to be red 17:48 VanessaE *facepalm* 17:48 Jordach because the mese has become so pressurized it became a new element that burns 17:49 Muadtralk make it ignite things! 17:49 Muadtralk when placed near 17:49 * marktraceur shouts out suggestions too 17:49 Calinou let's add ultrabooks 17:49 kaeza and hurt the player while item is in inventory! :) 17:49 Calinou you can't craft them into anything 17:49 VanessaE guys come on 17:49 VanessaE please 17:49 Calinou but they'll be overvalued by players 17:49 Muadtralk yep! 17:49 marktraceur Earth's crust ends at about -30KM, start a mantle-like substance then! 17:49 Jordach like nyan cats 17:50 kaeza Jordach: +1 17:50 Calinou +1 Jordach 17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: can you compile your other suggested changes and show me a diff against git from before my change? 17:50 Muadtralk oy we dont want nyancats to be that common 17:50 Calinou flammable mese much 17:50 kaeza umm... nyancat hell? 17:50 leo_rockway nyan cats have the whole copyright issue 17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: so I can see the whole mese tree in one shot? 17:50 Muadtralk tac nayn! 17:50 Jordach john_minetest, FUCK NO. 17:50 marktraceur Add in Olivine! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivine 17:50 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Olivine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 17:50 PilzAdam VanessaE, here current diff: https://gist.github.com/4400209 17:50 thexyz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4240 17:50 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400209 17:50 moltenbot thexyz's link: xyz's Minetest win32 builds (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 17:51 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3954 17:51 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis' Server (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums 17:51 markveidemanis have i not been blocked bby the bots? 17:51 kaeza Jordach: and the material should be so powerful it obliterates the chests it is put on along with all the other items :D 17:51 marktraceur Mantle should be 2900KM thick, rich in Olivine, and of varying stability 17:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, and heres a branch: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/mese 17:51 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: PilzAdam/minetest_game at mese ? GitHub 17:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: can you generate that diff against git from say commti hash 95cbfc50d8f[...] ? 17:52 VanessaE I'm having trouble reading the code 17:52 Calinou http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32575377.jpg 17:52 Jordach Calinou, high five 17:52 marktraceur markveidemanis: Could you please keep the server announces down? 17:52 kaeza Calinou: lol 17:52 marktraceur Calinou: Dosequisite? 17:53 Jordach we should name it solaris 17:53 marktraceur Beergem mod: On the way! :P 17:53 kaeza lol randomterrorist 17:53 kaeza marktraceur: +1 17:53 PilzAdam VanessaE, wait, the branch is empty 17:53 Muadtralk ive done it! ive updated erlehmanns cube mod! 17:53 markveidemanis sure 17:54 Jordach bbl 17:54 Jordach installing xubuntu on my third partition 17:54 markveidemanis when will OldCoder be back?! 17:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/mese 17:55 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: PilzAdam/minetest_game at mese ? GitHub 17:55 PilzAdam ^ git diff 95cbfc50d8f7fc492f6def60720e355fdd0f62c1 HEAD 17:55 PilzAdam oh, damn, wait 17:56 iqualfragile third partition? ulol, i have about 5 17:57 Muadtralk i got you beat with 6 17:57 Muadtralk :P 17:57 PilzAdam VanessaE, the mese branch on my GitHub is now with the changes 17:57 iqualfragile i have just checked: 6 here, too 17:57 PilzAdam forget all the diffs 17:57 iqualfragile but i guess i can remove some of them soon 17:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: let's do this: revert my commit 1bf62bbad4[...], revert the one you just made, re-apply and rebase. 17:58 VanessaE so I can see all of the code changes in one commit 17:59 PilzAdam umm... no? 17:59 VanessaE I just can't make any sense of it 18:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, reset your head to some old commit (the one before the first mese change) then merge my mese branch and look at the merge commit diff 18:01 marktraceur thexyz: I think it would be better to mix both mod and core docs in the main namespace, it seems like there would be minimal overlap, and any overlap we do find can be solved with a disambiguation notice. I'd save the Mod: namespace for actually documenting individual mods. 18:01 VanessaE reading.. 18:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, heres a diff from 95cb to my changes: https://gist.github.com/4400320 18:02 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400320 18:02 thexyz marktraceur: what do we plan to document in core, to start with, every .cpp file? every class? 18:03 marktraceur thexyz: Probably classes, functions, and general ideas. Also code conventions, procedures, communication methods. 18:03 thexyz fine 18:03 marktraceur thexyz: Basically the idea is to make it possible to learn about core development on the wiki 18:03 thexyz should it be moved to dev.minetest.net? 18:03 marktraceur "Hey how do I do X" -> we can point them to a wiki page 18:04 marktraceur thexyz: I'd suggest either wiki.minetest.net or dev.minetest.net, yes 18:04 marktraceur But the api subdomain can still point to it 18:04 thexyz i prefer dev., and redirect api. to it 18:04 PilzAdam thexyz, have there been any decision to put dev and api wiki together? 18:04 thexyz yeah 18:04 marktraceur Sounds good 18:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Rest assured that you won't be dragged screaming into core dev :) 18:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Not that I think it's a bad idea for you to check it out, but it's only there for you if you want to try it. 18:08 thexyz john_minetest: there's no wiki.minetest.net 18:09 Calinou third partition? ulol, i have about 5 18:09 Calinou extended partitions ftl 18:09 * Calinou uses msdos partition table, forgot to set to gpt when creating table 18:09 iqualfragile aww patt patt 18:09 Calinou 4 primary patitions, one is unused because ubiquity said "no" to UEFI 18:10 Calinou and extended is slow as hell 18:10 thexyz PilzAdam: are you still against it? 18:10 thexyz john_minetest: it's minetest.COM, not .NET 18:11 PilzAdam thexyz, I think it would be better to seperate but I'm also happy if it gets into 1 18:11 thexyz yes, and this is the problem too, too many external sites 18:14 marktraceur sapier1: Hey, was just wondering 18:14 marktraceur sapier1: I've had multiple people ask me about adding your mob framework to the LibrePlanet server 18:14 marktraceur sapier1: But I keep telling them I can't because it's not free software 18:15 marktraceur sapier1: Any chance you could distribute it under unmodified GPLv2+? 18:15 PilzAdam thexyz, what do you think: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/9d2a2f91791b667dab257ea34818d111c2e48049 ? 18:15 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground ? 9d2a2f9 ? PilzAdam/minetest_game ? GitHub 18:16 markveidemanis how can i USE the minetestserver console window? 18:17 markveidemanis like grant anfd revoke 18:17 marktraceur markveidemanis: It's not a shell, you can't issue commands from it 18:17 kaeza markveidemanis: use Ctrl+C to paste 18:18 kaeza 18:18 leo_rockway kaeza: that's a bad troll... Ctrl+C is copy o.o 18:18 PilzAdam updated: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/58f3330aca85b7b0f45febc38644dfda86d95dbb 18:18 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground ? 58f3330 ? PilzAdam/minetest_game ? GitHub 18:18 kaeza my trolling is bad, and I should feel bad :( 18:18 markveidemanis how i craft the mesecons command block 18:18 khonkhortisan select with mouse, then middle mouse click to paste 18:20 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3954[18:18] <+moltenbot> PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground 18:20 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis' Server (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums 18:20 markveidemanis whoops 18:21 thexyz alt+printscr+e to copy, alt+printscr+i to paste 18:22 khonkhortisan that does a reboot, no? 18:22 khonkhortisan sigterm, sigkill 18:22 thexyz alt+sysrq+r does 18:22 PilzAdam alt + printscreen + r = rebbot 18:22 PilzAdam o = shutdown 18:22 Calinou lol 18:23 marktraceur markveidemanis: Quit it with the server announces 18:23 devlab reboot what? 18:23 markveidemanis i did middle click 18:23 Calinou it's not like we are in a shortage of servers 18:23 markveidemanis sorry 18:23 Calinou devlab: computer... :P 18:23 Calinou we have too many servers actually 18:24 devlab su , init 6 18:24 khonkhortisan you can't just walk up to a random person's computer and type su, sysrq is much easier to do damage with 18:25 devlab that works if magic sysrq is on 18:25 khonkhortisan brrrrrrrrrrrrrr the garbage truck is idling a street away and won't move 18:27 jordach there, just waiting on finalising the install 18:28 PilzAdam jordach, what do you think: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/d53b16de2589506dbd3a3d84e7f3a316aea10ade ? 18:28 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground ? d53b16d ? PilzAdam/minetest_game ? GitHub 18:28 devlab IMHO, i think ALT + SysRq + B should be last resort 18:28 jordach jeez -- my system is only running from 1gb of ram 18:29 jordach PilzAdam: nice 18:29 jordach its almost done 18:33 thexyz oops, it was B, not R 18:33 PilzAdam Ill push this mese changes upstream 18:33 thexyz r is for unraw 18:33 devlab haha 18:33 jordach PilzAdam: sorry, but run this through VanessaE first 18:34 PilzAdam Im doing this in PM right now 18:34 jordach oh heck 18:34 jordach OldCoder: you about? 18:35 thexyz devlab: in case of frozen pc REISUB is fine 18:35 devlab thexyz: i know, hence 'last resort' 18:36 OldCoder jordach, Yes 18:36 leo_rockway raising elephants is so utterly boring 18:36 devlab yep 18:47 sokomine does anyone of you have more detailed knowledge about the internal function of formspecs? 18:48 Muadtralk ello people I am having an issue. 18:48 Muadtralk 08:46:39: ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "cement:cement_source" at (-13,11,14) (block (-1,0,0)) 18:48 Muadtralk happens when I place liquid cement 18:50 sokomine there was something connected to this error but i don't remember :-( something with node not loaded? search for it in the forum 18:50 PilzAdam Muadtralk, the liquid_alternative_flowing field in the cement source has an unkown node 18:50 PilzAdam this causes the error 18:52 Muadtralk ahhhh 18:54 sokomine really no one who has some knowledge that may help me to locate the necessary things faster? :-( 18:55 sokomine well...maybe i'm not asking the right questions 18:55 kaeza thexyz: you here? 18:56 Zeg9 brb 18:57 thexyz kaeza: yep 18:57 kaeza could you try this one? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59987#p59987 18:57 moltenbot kaeza's link: xyz's Minetest win32 builds (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 18:58 kaeza hope this helps somehow 19:01 thexyz kaeza: I prefer portable versions 19:02 Calinou only use of portable is if you want to carry the game on an USB drive or something like that 19:02 kaeza thexyz: the installer version could be useful for those users not comfortable with that 19:02 Calinou I build without run-in-place, user data stays in .minetest and can be read by any build regardless of version 19:03 thexyz kaeza: you're free to make your own thread with installers 19:03 kaeza thexyz: k 19:04 kaeza nvm then 19:08 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground 33ec25caed 2012-12-28T11:05:40-08:00 19:09 PilzAdam If anyone still want to complain about the new mese then got play 0.3.1 19:10 ecube new mese 19:10 ecube what's new mese? 19:11 PilzAdam crystals 19:11 OldCoder Is the debate settled? 19:11 PilzAdam if you mine crystals in stone (wich is generated) you get 1 crystal; 9 crystals give one mese block (and vise versa) that equals old mese 19:12 PilzAdam OldCoder, seems so 19:12 PilzAdam and the old mese is converted to the new blocks 19:12 PilzAdam so the only thing that will change on existing maps is the texture of the block 19:14 kaeza meh 19:14 kaeza I'm out 19:14 kaeza see you 19:14 sapier1 @marktraceur I've once told in mobf forum thread I'm going to switch to gpl as soon as anyone substantially contributes to mobf. Until that happens the "non commercial" license addon will be preserved. ;-) 19:14 kaeza :) 19:14 ecube nice 19:14 PilzAdam oh, damn, I accidentally clicked on the "Wiki" button in minetest_game 19:15 marktraceur sapier1: Well, you've driven away myself as a contributor and a user, so it won't happen based on me 19:15 thexyz PilzAdam: huh, >Last edited by celeron55, a minute ago 19:16 PilzAdam thexyz, thats happens when someone clicks on the wiki button 19:16 thexyz oh 19:17 PilzAdam c55 has fixed it already 19:18 sapier1 @marktraceur may I know how I did this? 19:19 marktraceur sapier1: By using a non-free license, like I said 19:19 sapier1 What do you mean with "non-free"? 19:19 sokomine ah, hi sapier. i tested the newest version yesterday :-) 19:20 sapier1 @sokomine plz tell a number I'm releasing very fast atm ... 1.9.x is still lot too buggy 19:21 sokomine the models of the animals are very nice. only problem where a sheep moving around while in lying-down-position, cows moving sideways/backwards and heads of cows growing extremly large while eating (that way they look almost like monsters) 19:21 marktraceur sapier1: Your license has restrictions on it that disallow using the software in some ways, leaving your users with less freedoms than they could have. 19:22 sapier1 @marktraceur then in your oppinion gplv2 ain't free either 19:22 sokomine seems like 1.9.2; though that is mentioned twice in the changelog 19:22 sapier1 then its 1.9.3 ... missed to change that number in README 19:22 marktraceur sapier1: Not totally, but I am happy to inconvenience those who want to create non-free software. I'm not willing to inconvenience someone who's trying to make a living. 19:23 thexyz sapier1: why did you make such modification to gplv2, in first place? 19:24 marktraceur Because CC-BY-SA-NC isn't for software, I guess 19:25 sapier1 My intention was to prevent someone making money with my work without contributing anything ... I know this won't match most ppl in here but if I'd released in unmodified gplv2 I can't take that back 19:26 marktraceur sapier1: You may get your wish, someone may make money with it by creating a competing mod that isn't tied down by a non-free license 19:27 sokomine sounds reasonable. some time ago distributions where helpful to get distributions out to users. nowerdays this is a service less needed (the putting things on cds/dvd to avoid download) 19:27 thexyz hm.. "personal benefit" == $$$? 19:27 Jordach nope. xubuntu failed on installing GRUB. BASTARD. 19:27 ecube 9 crystals i think, right? 19:28 thexyz Jordach: install it by hand then 19:28 Jordach thexyz, im not arch linux 19:28 sapier1 Of course you may, I don't have any problems wit it ... by the way if I'd release under GPL then it'd be gplv3 ... which noone gonna use, having patents 19:29 marktraceur sapier1: I would prefer GPLv3, actually 19:29 thexyz oh, sorry, i forgot it, Jordach, mark shuttleworth stops you from doing it, right? 19:30 sapier1 @marktraceur what "free" licenses would you accept? probably there's one out having an non-commercial rule too ;) 19:31 marktraceur sapier1: I'd really prefer GPLv3, since it stops non-free development based on your work. But I'd accept anything that allows re-licensing to GPLv3, so long as it didn't include the noncommercial clause 19:31 sapier1 so you demand gplv3 only ... not quite "free" 19:31 marktraceur sapier1: I've relicensed all the mods on the LPGC server to GPLv3, most modders are helpful enough to license that way or use WTFPL 19:32 sapier1 apache for example may not be relicensed within glp but is more free 19:32 NakedFury so gpl3 would be the best license now? I would not want people to stop using my stuff with editing and modifying but I would like to receive credit. is gpl3 for that? 19:32 marktraceur sapier1: apache can be relicensed, I remember that specifically 19:32 thexyz huh.. relicensing wtfpl to gplv3, who is bad guy now? 19:33 sapier1 If you relicense to glv3 you're taking away freedom ;-) ... not quite consequent .. 19:33 marktraceur sapier1: I take away the freedom to deny freedom to others. I don't see that as bad. 19:34 marktraceur Congress also takes away the freedom to commit murder, but that's certainly not bad. 19:34 sapier1 so this licens thing is to enforce YOUR personal license preference ... plz don't blame me for mine 19:34 marktraceur sapier1: I don't. I intend to rewrite the mob framework if necessary. 19:35 marktraceur sapier1: If you want to license it under apache or wtfpl or MIT, I'd also be fine with that. 19:35 NakedFury marktraceur I think in this case taking our "freedom or right" to kill and steal is a good idea 19:35 sapier1 you wanna relicense anything to YOUR personal preference 19:36 marktraceur sapier1: Generally, yes. But that's part of the freedom you allow when you license under a permissive license. 19:36 sapier1 If you wanna ensure some minimum freedom I'd accept this but I don't accept you're taking away freedom of code beeing more free than your one 19:36 thexyz there's almost no point in using gpl for mods as you should only provide sources when distributing binary packages 19:36 thexyz agpl suits better for that case 19:37 marktraceur thexyz: Don't think I haven't considered it....my impression is that this community doesn't like *normal* GPL, and they'd probably never use AGPL. 19:37 sapier1 @thexyz true I was wondering if gpl is correct too 19:37 sokomine yes, with mods beeing only usable as source, much of the goal of the gpl does not apply 19:38 sapier1 a simple question if a mod is gplv3 can it be run in minetest at all without relicensing minetest to gplv3 19:39 marktraceur Yeah, totally. 19:39 sapier1 thats your oppinion ... 19:39 marktraceur The purpose of moving to lgpl was to increase the allowable licenses, not decrease. 19:39 thexyz marktraceur: yeah, and I prefer wtfpl for small mods and MIT/BSD (what's the difference btw?) for large ones 19:40 marktraceur thexyz: BSD has some clauses about copyright statements IIRC 19:40 marktraceur Maybe that was MIT? 19:40 * marktraceur doesn't know, look it up 19:40 sapier1 bsd licens allows linking your code staticaly without poisoning your code with gpl 19:40 sokomine i'm not very familiar with the details of the diffrent liscences. it is difficult to keep track of them. the required liscence for mods in the forum is a problem as well 19:41 thexyz sapier1: wait, how can BSD allow that if GPL requires the opposite? 19:42 thexyz oh, it seems I got it wrong 19:42 sapier1 bsd is more free than gpl 19:43 mauvebic new economy mod https://sites.google.com/site/mauvemods/home/nodex 19:43 moltenbot mauvebic's link: nodex - mauvemods 19:43 sapier1 in company environment bsd is prefered as you ain't forced to open source your intelectual property 19:43 leo_rockway AGPL is the best license for protecting one's mod, IMO. 19:43 Jordach yes 19:43 sokomine yes. for small mods wtfpl seems most useful. if it's hardly more than a couple of (usually very useful and nicely textured!) nodes - that's not more than filling out a form or giving sample code somewhere. anyone who wants the mod behave diffrent can change it (even from memory...) or take as a sample for another mod 19:43 mauvebic what makes AGPL different though? 19:43 leo_rockway mauvebic: GPL is a license applied to distribution. 19:43 leo_rockway when you have a mod on a server, you're not distributing it. 19:44 sapier1 @marktraceur there's a simple way to make mobf glpv3 create some 3d models write some tests and it's gonna be gplv3 ... far less work than completely rewriting it 19:44 leo_rockway so you can modify it and not provide patches 19:44 leo_rockway or not provide source at all 19:44 mauvebic sounds tricky lol 19:44 leo_rockway mauvebic: it is. 19:45 NakedFury this license stuff just creates headaches 19:45 sapier1 I've been releasing in wtfp some mods too ... so the non-commercial rule was just a experimental way to motivate ppl helping me ;-) 19:45 mauvebic yeah i simply prefer license that spell out clearly the do's and do not's 19:45 leo_rockway mauvebic: that's how it happened. There was a website (idr the name anymore) that took the source of Pidgin and started providing an instant messenger service. They never provided source... 19:45 sapier1 by now it didn't work ... true 19:45 thexyz NakedFury: then choose wtfpl 19:45 leo_rockway that's how the AGPL came to be. 19:46 marktraceur sapier1: I'm not going to contribute to the project while it's licensed under the non-free bastardized GPL. I don't write non-free software. 19:46 mauvebic lol this again 19:46 sapier1 gplv2/3 ain't free either ;-) 19:46 leo_rockway it's GNU vs BSD all over again D: 19:46 marktraceur sapier1: I don't contribute indirectly to non-free software either, hence the copyleft. 19:47 sapier1 btw what about a modified wtfp limiting relicensing ;-) 19:47 sapier1 you do have a somehow strange oppinion of "free" 19:47 leo_rockway sapier1: you could use Sun's license if you just want to make it GPL incompatible. 19:47 leo_rockway ccpl, I think it's called 19:48 sapier1 nooo ... I don't wanna make it incompatible ... my only intention was to stop ppl from earning money with my work without contributing ;) 19:48 leo_rockway CDDL <-- this one 19:48 leo_rockway oh, okay 19:48 marktraceur sapier1: If you're set on using a non-free license, just keep doing that. No reason to change if your intent is to stop people from that. 19:49 Jakssoul I love you guys./ 19:50 thexyz sapier1: "do what the fuck you want except relicensing"? makes no sense at all 19:50 sapier1 @marktraceur if you insist on "non free" or not 19:50 mauvebic its funny that religous discussions aren't allowed but the free software zealotry is ok lol 19:50 sapier1 I'm gonna license cddl ... 19:50 sapier1 wich is officially free 19:50 Jakssoul mauvebic, what are you talking about? 19:50 sapier1 @thexyz ... I know was a bad example 19:50 thexyz sapier1: just saying, that's not twitter, you don't have to prefix nicknames with @ 19:50 mauvebic just pointing out how religiously some ppl take oss lol 19:51 PilzAdam mauvebic, we had religious disscussions here 19:51 marktraceur sapier1: Is it copyleft? 19:51 Jakssoul How are religious discussions not allowed? 19:51 mauvebic yeah but theyre usually discouraged from what i saw pilzadam 19:51 Jakssoul I was going to say, VanessaE, OldCoder and I all had one the other day. Sort of. 19:51 sapier1 no there's a "you can't sue me" rul in there not compatible with gplv2/3 19:51 marktraceur ....hm. 19:51 PilzAdam mauvebic, the channel topic at this day was "Blame your favourite religion today" lol 19:51 marktraceur That doesn't strike me as free, who said it was? 19:52 Jakssoul PilzAdam, are you being serious? 19:52 sapier1 as of fsf cddl is a free license but not compatible to gpl 19:52 marktraceur Huh. 19:52 marktraceur Weird. 19:54 sapier1 @marktraceur ... probably the problem vanishes because of someone else contributing to mobf so I'm gonna release v3 either 19:54 marktraceur If it prevents you from suing the authour, explicitly, that sounds pretty bad. But fair enough. 19:55 sapier1 but you couldn't relicense it on your server either 19:55 thexyz marktraceur: why is it bad? 19:56 marktraceur thexyz: Not only is it stopping you from taking action with the software, but stopping you from taking action in real life? There are legitimate cases that I could bring against sapier1 in the future, and I think it's awful to use a license to prevent that. 19:57 sapier1 related to that piece of software ;-) 19:57 marktraceur sapier1: Well, that's just a standard, then. GPL has that, too. 19:57 marktraceur sapier1: That wouldn't make it incompatible... 19:57 sapier1 it IS incompatible believe me 19:58 thexyz it's probably incompatible because of some other reason then 19:59 sapier1 hmm maybe .. 19:59 sapier1 ohhh ... cddl forbids relicensing in any other license than cddl :) ... maybe thats reason for incompatibility 20:00 leo_rockway marktraceur: cddl was made incompatible on purpose. 20:00 leo_rockway so opensolaris had an advantage over linux 20:00 leo_rockway namely, zfs 20:00 marktraceur That would do it 20:01 leo_rockway the workaround was to develop zfs outside of linux and as part of fuse... which is plain awful, so opensolaris kept the advantage. 20:01 VanessaE yay! Finally done with this whole mess: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4154 20:01 sapier1 bit I have to go now ... I've told how mobf will become gplv3 ... there may be other reasons for license change in future too but not atm 20:01 marktraceur sapier1: Ta 20:02 Jakssoul You know what? 20:03 leo_rockway marktraceur: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDL#GPL_incompatibility <--- this 20:03 moltenbot leo_rockway's link: Common Development and Distribution License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 20:03 Kacey hello 20:03 NakedFury hey 20:04 Kacey need to work on my mesecons invention 20:04 Jakssoul Well, I'm going to get going since everyone is ignoring me. >_> 20:06 NakedFury I hate being left haging like that...You know what? and then leaving 20:08 VanessaE bbl, food. 20:10 Kacey 7 coded in 20:12 Kacey ... 8 more to go 20:12 ADFENO I just tried to compile Minetest 0.4.3 under Trisquel Brigantia to see if my issue could be fixed, and I got the same results. 20:15 OldCoder Hi 20:15 ADFENO Hi OldCoder. 20:15 OldCoder o/ 20:17 Jordach hey OldCoder 20:17 Jordach !up europe.minetest.org 20:17 moltenbot Minetest server europe.minetest.org:30000 DOWN 20:17 Jordach OldCoder, europe seems to be down 20:17 OldCoder Reviewing now. Thank you. 20:18 Kacey o/ OC 20:19 OldCoder Jordach, The VPS itself seems to be gone. Probably not lost. This is Anunakki server. I will move the whole world to my own new Europe machine. 20:20 OldCoder Jordach, I have not seen Anunakki recently. There are two options. Wait until he shows up. Or move Europe based on most recent backup. 20:20 Jordach europe machine, could you pm the reasonings? 20:20 OldCoder Jordach, Hmm? I just posted them 20:20 OldCoder Reasonings? 20:20 OldCoder Feel free to ask here 20:20 OldCoder Or PM 20:20 Jordach I will move the whole world to my own new Europe machine. 20:20 OldCoder Jordach, It is not my machine. When this happens I therefore have no way to proceed. 20:21 OldCoder I think I should move the world to a Europe machine of my own. 20:21 OldCoder Jordach, I do know the VPS host slightly. I will try to reach him. 20:23 Kacey 8 coded in 20:24 OldCoder Jordach, I have PMd the VPS host. It appears this may be a known outage though I have not reached him. We will allow a day before moving elsewhere. 20:24 Jordach perhaps AWS? 20:24 OldCoder Jordach, I do not understand 20:24 Jordach (Amazon) 20:24 OldCoder Jordach, I know 20:24 OldCoder What is the question? 20:25 Jordach point is, if anunakki is not around, AWS would be the next best bet 20:25 OldCoder I have already purchased a new Europe machine if that is what you are asking about 20:25 Jordach OH! 20:25 Jordach could we set a speed test? 20:25 OldCoder It is quite fast :-) 20:25 Jordach OldCoder, just set up a default 0.4.4 world quickly 20:25 OldCoder Should work O.K. for most people in Europe 20:25 sokomine besides...what kind of hardwaere does a server require? it seems very variable in singleplayer...from almost nothing to cpu-is-glowing when doing mapgen 20:25 OldCoder Jordach, I had planned to last week or the week before 20:26 OldCoder Jordach, there has been stuff happening that has disrupted this 20:26 Jordach i know this. 20:26 OldCoder sokomine, it depends on how many players you wish 20:26 OldCoder and the types of worlds 20:27 artur99 where can i find a tutorial for mod making? 20:27 sokomine good question. who knows that in advance...if some mc classic players would be willing to play it could be some (10-20 at max?) 20:27 Kacey artur99: check the API page 20:28 sokomine most likely less players 20:29 sokomine i'd like to convice the owner of a classic server to host a mt world as well :-) classic is so slow compared to mt... 20:29 Jordach OldCoder, start the EU aws on beta.eu.minetest.org 20:29 artur99 kacey: where is the api page? 20:29 Jordach api.minetest.net 20:30 Jordach or http://api.minetest.net 20:30 moltenbot Jordach's link: Minetest API 20:30 artur99 thanks 20:34 leo_rockway sokomine: MT definitely uses less resources than MC. 20:34 leo_rockway there's an MC classic server and an MT server running on this computer. Roughly the same amount of people. MC takes a lot of resources. 20:34 ADFENO I agree... Signing below. :D 20:35 leo_rockway PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 20:35 leo_rockway 4183 minecraf 20 0 1742m 798m 12m S 51.9 16.0 186:40.54 java 20:36 leo_rockway that's the process taking up the most resources on this server. It runs mysql, lighttpd, mt... 20:36 Kacey anyone want to see what i have to type in on every microcontroller? 20:37 Jordach Kacey, go o 20:37 Jordach on 20:37 Kacey sbi(B,D);sbi(A,C|!D) or sbi(B,D);sbi(A,C&D) 20:38 Kacey light on or light off 20:39 Kacey 9 coded in... 20:39 Kacey 6 more to go 20:39 * VanessaE is back 20:40 Kacey wb 20:40 VanessaE thanks 20:41 VanessaE wb jeija 20:43 Kacey wb Jeija 20:46 Kacey 10 coded in... 20:53 Kacey 11 coded in 20:55 marktraceur Kacey: What are you doing? 20:55 Kacey making a 4-bit decoder to 7-seegment display 20:55 Kacey segment* 20:55 marktraceur Kacey: Could you just tell us when you're done, maybe? 20:56 Kacey it will never be "done" just finished for a while bbut sure 20:57 marktraceur Kacey: My point is, constant numerical updates aren't totally necessary 20:57 marktraceur Especially since most of us aren't playing on your server 20:57 Kacey i dont have a server 20:57 marktraceur Well, then none of us are 20:57 marktraceur Which only underscores my point 20:57 Kacey ok well i guess im off to finish the coding 20:58 maarkveidemanis hello 20:58 marktraceur maarkveidemanis: Hi! 20:58 marktraceur maarkveidemanis: Getting in touch with your Dutch roots? 20:58 maarkveidemanis WTF 20:59 maarkveidemanis 20:59:13: ACTION[main]: Server for gameid="Server_Game" listening on port 30000. 20:59 maarkveidemanis :D 20:59 marktraceur Everybody 21:00 marktraceur Stop what you're doing and join his server 21:00 marktraceur It's apparently the best thing like ever 21:00 maarkveidemanis YAY 21:00 * marktraceur is being sarcastic 21:00 maarkveidemanis it is 21:02 Jordach PilzAdam, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/87 21:02 moltenbot Jordach's link: New Mese Pick Texture. by Jordach ? Pull Request #87 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 21:02 Jordach the change is noted in the desc. 21:03 PilzAdam Jordach, why? 21:04 Jordach because the old pick is ORANGE 21:04 Jordach (nearly) 21:04 Jordach orangey yellow ish, and the new one is real yellow 21:05 leo_rockway is it bad if I like the old one better? o.o 21:05 Jordach nope. 21:05 Jordach just grab cisouns texture pack and it'll be back 21:06 leo_rockway I like that the old one seems to have a bit of a shadow :D 21:06 Jordach i could darken it quickly if you like 21:06 Muadtralk its all green and red anyway 21:07 leo_rockway Jordach: that may look better. I actually like the yellow more than the orange. 21:07 leo_rockway but the shadow looks cooler in the old one 21:11 Jordach leo_rockway, added more shadow: https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/1439852/34685/039b39f6-5133-11e2-884a-c55476053009.png 21:12 VanessaE Jordach: better. 21:12 Jordach cmon PilzAdam its a simple merge and we can forget this ever happened 21:12 * leo_rockway highfives Jordach 21:13 Jordach high five! 21:13 VanessaE +1 21:13 PilzAdam Jordach, lemme watch this video first 21:14 Jordach PilzAdam, thanks 21:21 * Jordach flops down on the channel sofa 21:22 OldCoder Jordach, Hi. Here is the situation... 21:22 Jordach yes? 21:24 OldCoder Jordach, I have talked to the VPS host for Europe MT. It is Anunakki account. We need to reboot. Anunakki gave me VNC password to do this. But I need control panel password. Neither host nor I are sure of how to reach Anunakki. I think Europe world is lost unless you or somebody else can find him. I will check to see how old the last backup I transferred off of the VPS is. 21:24 Jordach O.O 21:24 OldCoder This is the way of the world 21:24 OldCoder Sh*t happens 21:24 OldCoder Anunakki is not as involved as I had hoped 21:24 Jordach shit hits the fan, typical 21:24 OldCoder I will move Europe to my own VPS 21:25 OldCoder I need to see how old the last transferred backup is 21:25 OldCoder Host says he cannot reboot for me unless I have the UUID code of the VPS 21:25 OldCoder And only Anunakkit has that 21:25 OldCoder * Anunakki 21:25 Jordach \o/ 21:28 PilzAdam Jordach, would you mind if I do this in a single commit? 21:28 Jordach sure 21:28 Jordach just merge 21:28 Jordach simple 21:29 PilzAdam two commits for that are too much 21:29 OldCoder O.K. To close that matter: If anybody knows how to reach Anunakki please do so 21:29 OldCoder If he does not show up we will need to revert Europe MT world to some time back 21:30 PilzAdam Jordach, either you rebase that into one commit or I will do that and you wont be the author of that commit 21:34 maarkveidemanis who will gon ton 21:34 maarkveidemanis go on my server 21:38 NakedFury I regret using stack with so many torches 21:42 Jordach PilzAdam, lemme revert it 21:46 Jordach PilzAdam, reverting wont help ere 21:46 Jordach hold on 21:46 Jeija Jordach: git rebase -i HEAD~2 21:46 Jordach not helpful 21:50 Jordach PilzAdam, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/88 21:50 moltenbot Jordach's link: New Mese Pick Texture. by Jordach ? Pull Request #88 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 21:50 Jordach fixed 21:50 Jordach third time lucky 21:54 Muadtralk nice pick 21:56 marktraceur http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243 21:56 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums 21:56 marktraceur RSVP, share the link, bring friends 21:57 NakedFury reading 22:04 NakedFury after seeing your tech tree comment on that git mod Tech you have I suddenly want a research mod. you start without knowing what the ores are and after mining some you use a research station, oyu place 1 or more ores and depending on how many you placed the game makes a timer to represent you studying and analizing the material. maybe even give it levels or ranks. 22:04 PilzAdam Jordach, next time please put more texture changes into one commit 22:05 Minetest-tan GIT: Jordach (Jordan Snelling) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: new mese pick texture de8726a9f7 2012-12-28T13:34:10-08:00 22:05 PilzAdam they dont have to be merged instantly 22:05 marktraceur NakedFury: I've thought of doing something similar....using really big craft recipes and complex combinations that will ultimately create blueprints for machines. Copy it down by crafting it with paper, share it with others, use it to make a machine. 22:07 marktraceur Possibly also use it for chemical and biological research 22:07 ADFENO This mod seens/seems to be promissing. (Sorry, bad English. :D). 22:07 NakedFury add a rank system from 1 to 10[example] the higher level you have researched this material you then unlock new blueprints and recipes. researching takes the form of placing materials on a station and waiting a specific time like it is in real time strategy games or browser based games 22:07 leo_rockway interesting 22:07 leo_rockway +>9k 22:07 NakedFury I would play it 22:08 marktraceur NakedFury: Perhaps we can brainstorm further over the weekend, hopefully I'll have time 22:08 marktraceur (I'm traveling again this weekend and may or may not be able to chat) 22:08 NakedFury this would really take the game away from the minecraft clone category 22:09 marktraceur Might be nice 22:09 * ADFENO agrees with NakedFury. 22:10 marktraceur NakedFury: Would you be interested in playing a part in this idea? 22:10 NakedFury more crafting to do, more interesting and engaging gameplay too 22:10 NakedFury yeah 22:10 marktraceur K. 22:10 marktraceur I'll start a wiki page, actually 22:10 NakedFury if it can be done then yes 22:11 NakedFury anunakki: OldCoder and Jordach where looking for you 22:13 OldCoder Hi 22:13 marktraceur NakedFury: http://api.minetest.net/User:MarkTraceur/Tech_tree_idea 22:13 OldCoder NakedFury, Anunakki is not here 22:13 moltenbot marktraceur's link: User:MarkTraceur/Tech tree idea - Minetest API 22:14 NakedFury ohh didnt see the last has quit 22:14 NakedFury he connected twice 22:14 OldCoder Which is the problem; I should have moved the world when I realized he wasn't around much 22:14 OldCoder Yes 22:14 OldCoder But those are auto-joinsw 22:14 OldCoder But those are auto-joins * 22:14 OldCoder I haven't seen him talk in a while 22:17 ADFENO Also, just to get people in touch... I've managed to modify the food recipes mod for those who don't have the mob framework installed, but the user won't be able to craft the recipes which require things derived from mobs. 22:19 ADFENO I can create a forum account or upload it somewhere so that the creator of the food recipes can link to it. 22:19 ADFENO I did it just for those who don't have much skills with Lua scripting. 22:20 NakedFury to the forum. if you do maybe add a link to the mob framework topic just in case they want both 22:25 marktraceur john_minetest: I didn't mean it as a subset of technic, it will likely be a separate set of mods 22:33 leo_rockway some guy at the forum had this idea about spells. The Harry Potter mod. 22:33 leo_rockway it's kind of like the blueprint idea. 22:36 mauvebic crafts could have a skill requirement 22:36 mauvebic the more you craft the higher your skill 22:36 mauvebic the more you can craft lol 22:36 mauvebic otherwise its a little ridiculous to think about someone with no home and a wood axe building complex machines in mesecons 22:37 mauvebic seems like something you build up to 22:37 marktraceur mauvebic: Basically this is a way of requiring working up to something without using experience 22:37 NakedFury http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/j5r1h8ef9 22:37 moltenbot NakedFury's link: Screenshot Uploader 22:38 NakedFury a crude drawing of researching materials 22:38 mauvebic someone else (i forget :/) also suggested making crafts specific to certain machines like blacksmith,woodworking, etc. 22:38 marktraceur Very crude :P 22:38 marktraceur mauvebic: That seems reasonable--research the furnace and the forge, research the lathe and whatever else 22:39 mauvebic from stone age to steel age yeah 22:39 mauvebic without those shitty cutscenes like in other games lol 22:39 NakedFury windows paint skills level up! level 2 22:39 marktraceur NakedFury: "Sord" lol. 22:39 NakedFury he did not research his cultural skills 22:39 NakedFury so its bluprint and sord 22:39 marktraceur NakedFury: Add it to the wiki page? :) 22:40 marktraceur Maybe some plain-text notes as well? 22:40 NakedFury yeah I just made that so people can see the general idea 22:42 marktraceur No no no 22:42 marktraceur john_minetest: This isn't about skills, it's about technology 22:42 marktraceur I suspect the core stuff (axes, picks, etc.) will work as-is for a while, until we can change default to use a similar method 22:43 NakedFury think Age of Empires or Empire Earth where you sort of started in Stone Age and researched up 22:43 marktraceur Except in this case, we'll use actual materials instead of some ephemeral "tech tree" 22:43 marktraceur john_minetest: It's called your inventory 22:44 marktraceur No 22:45 marktraceur john_minetest: If you don't have the blueprints and the materials to build something, you can't build it. That's it. 22:45 mauvebic there wont be crafting on my space map though everything is sold through the exchange :p 22:46 marktraceur john_minetest: In your inventory. 22:46 marktraceur john_minetest: Do you have the blueprint for it? Do you have the materials for it? 22:48 marktraceur http://api.minetest.net/User:MarkTraceur/Tech_tree_idea#Implementation 22:48 moltenbot marktraceur's link: User:MarkTraceur/Tech tree idea - Minetest API 22:49 marktraceur Something like that, yes 22:57 NakedFury posted the picture in that api site 22:59 marktraceur Cool 23:01 Kacey hello 23:01 marktraceur Kacey: Oh hai! 23:01 Kacey hai 23:05 marktraceur NakedFury: Go nuts and add notes there anytime you think of something :) 23:07 Kacey on e more to code in (marktraceur: last update until done) 23:11 Octupus hi 23:13 NakedFury ok 23:13 NakedFury ill work on making notes and drawing ideas when they come 23:14 Kacey hello Octupus 23:14 Kacey finished coding in 23:16 * Kacey is happy :) 23:21 Octupus hi 23:21 VanessaE hi 23:21 ADFENO Hi Octupus. 23:24 Kacey now to make the display 23:26 STHGOM hi octo 23:27 marktraceur STHGOM, ADFENO, are you two somehow linked? 23:27 Kacey Octu you should see this thing i made 23:27 ADFENO ? No, I'm actually new here. 23:27 marktraceur Cool. 23:27 marktraceur Uppercase, six letters, seemed similar 23:28 marktraceur Well, whatevs. 23:28 STHGOM no 23:28 STHGOM im sparky 23:28 STHGOM on minetest 23:28 marktraceur Haven't played with you before 23:28 STHGOM ok 23:29 STHGOM i usally play on zegeton 23:29 STHGOM see you later guys/gals 23:29 marktraceur Ta 23:30 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Remove old unused texture 0eb46a01ff 2012-12-28T15:29:52-08:00 23:32 PilzAdam wtf is that: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/76/files 23:32 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Add Mitori's Textures to Replace VanessaE's textures. by Jordach ? Pull Request #76 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 23:32 marktraceur PilzAdam: It's a URI 23:33 PilzAdam marktraceur, normally when people post links they refer to the content 23:33 marktraceur :) I know 23:33 marktraceur PilzAdam: Is there some issue with the pull request? 23:33 PilzAdam have you seen this diff?! 23:35 marktraceur PilzAdam: It probably just needs a rebase. Politely ask for one. 23:35 PilzAdam I am always polite 23:35 PilzAdam or at least try to ;-) 23:35 marktraceur "wtf is that" is somewhat less than polite 23:35 * VanessaE looks at the actual textures 23:36 VanessaE NOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOooooOOOooOOOooOOOooOoooOooOooOooOo 23:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, that too 23:36 VanessaE they look like an aborted glowstone, a piece of rancid steak, and a lump of I don't even know what, from top to bottom 23:37 VanessaE (Apologies to Mitori, but those are horrible) 23:37 marktraceur VanessaE: Separate issue, then. Post that, too. 23:38 VanessaE eh? 23:38 marktraceur On the pull request, say that the textures aren't very good. Offer ideas. 23:38 VanessaE oh. no, better I shouldn't say anything 23:42 Kacey uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh this is complicated 23:42 marktraceur VanessaE: Then they won't get better :/ 23:42 VanessaE marktraceur: I think the ones I supplied are just fine. 23:42 VanessaE Someone else wants to improve them, I won't get in the way too much :-) 23:53 Kacey omg this is crazy 23:53 VanessaE ? 23:58 Kacey my display 23:59 ADFENO ? What is with your display, Kacey? 23:59 Kacey in minetest i am making a display