Time Nick Message 00:04 kaeza1 does minetest.is_singleplayer() check for a special flag in the server or it only checks if one player is connected? 00:11 kaeza1 hi Aqua 00:11 Aqua hi 00:14 kaeza1 working on your maps? 00:15 Aqua http://ompldr.org/vZ3M2eA 00:15 Aqua YEP 00:15 Aqua It doesnt load for some reason 00:16 Aqua and i didnt make a backup 00:17 kaeza1 oh noes! 00:17 Aqua An uhandled exception occured: bad allocatiom 00:18 Aqua ERROR:An unhandled exception occured: bad allocatio 00:18 Aqua how do i fix this? 00:18 Aqua Help 00:18 kaeza1 hmm 00:18 kaeza1 do something for me: 00:19 kaeza1 delete the debug.txt file in your minetest folder 00:19 kaeza1 start minetest again and load up the world 00:20 kaeza1 and as soon as it gives the error exit minetest and use pastebin to show me your debug.txt 00:21 Aqua Sometimes it works othertimes it doesnt 00:23 kaeza1 hmm 00:23 Aqua I mean like sometimes the error occurs and other times it doesnr 00:23 Aqua Ok the error occured 00:23 Aqua Now what>? 00:23 kaeza1 use pastebin to upload your debug.txt 00:24 kaeza1 so I may take a look at the error in more detail 00:24 kaeza1 also, how moch memory do you have installed on your machine? 00:24 kaeza1 much* 00:25 Aqua Like the whole thing? 00:26 kaeza1 the debug.txt? yes. If you deleted it before running the game, it shouldn't be very big 00:26 Aqua 447kb 00:26 Aqua http://ompldr.org/vZ3M3ZQ 00:27 kaeza1 upload to ompldr and post the link here 00:27 kaeza1 oh 00:27 kaeza1 ok 00:27 Aqua 11:22:07: ERROR[ServerThread]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: bad allocation In thread 1bcc: C:\tmp\minetest\src\server.cpp:153: ServerThread::Thread: Assertion '0' failed. Debug stacks: DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 11c: #0 MeshUpdateThread::Thread DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 187c: #0 main (Leftover data: #1 Client::step) (Leftover data: #2 ClientEnvironment::step) (Leftover data: #3 Client::Receive) (Leftover data: #4 Client::P 00:27 Aqua Its at the very bottom, 00:28 kaeza1 hmm 00:29 kaeza1 how much memory do you have installed on your machine? 00:29 Aqua Memoery> 00:29 Aqua ? 00:29 kaeza1 yes 00:29 Aqua 4gb 00:29 kaeza1 hmm 00:30 Aqua Acer Aspire intel i3 2.13ghz 00:31 kaeza1 so that's not an out of memory problem 00:32 Aqua Have you downloaded and tried the map see if it works for you 00:32 kaeza1 I'm lost at this. you should try asking a more knowledgeable user 00:32 iqualfragile hmm? 00:33 iqualfragile what was the question? 00:34 Aqua My map doesnt load for some reason it gives me this error: ERROR:An unhandled exception occured: bad allocation 00:34 Aqua A few minutes in the game when the map doesnt load it gives me that error 00:36 Aqua Who can I ask kaeza? 00:36 kaeza1 hmm 00:36 kaeza1 maybe Vanessa 00:36 kaeza1 or mark traceur 00:38 Aqua I've posted the error on the forum 00:41 VanessaE hm? what? 00:41 Aqua Hi 00:41 VanessaE zzz....snnn-x-x-x-x 00:41 Aqua I need help 00:41 VanessaE *snore* 00:42 Aqua please 00:42 Aqua 2 minutes 00:42 VanessaE actually I don't know what that error would mean except possibly out of memory 00:42 Aqua Well i quit while i was 50 blocks in the air 00:42 Aqua and flying 00:43 Aqua Never happened before 00:44 kaeza are you using mods that are heavy entity users? 00:44 kaeza i.e. mods like mobf that use a lot of ents? 00:44 VanessaE I wish I could help but I just don't know what else to suggest 00:44 VanessaE can you look at your debug.txt and see what it says? 00:45 VanessaE search for that phrase, "bad allocation" and use pastebin to give us the entire section around that 00:45 kaeza wb OldCoder 00:45 VanessaE say the last 50 lines or so. 00:46 Nightfighter is this mintest 00:46 Aqua ok 00:46 Nightfighter hi 00:46 Aqua Im using 3d annimated npc 00:46 Nightfighter really 00:47 Aqua Is it something to do with npc's because i recently downloaded thay 00:47 Aqua that* 00:48 Aqua http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4171 00:48 moltenbot Aqua's link: HELP HUGE MAP PROBLEM!!! (Page 1) - Bugs and Problems - Minetest Forums 00:48 Nightfighter aqua's gone 00:48 Nightfighter now his back 00:54 Aqua Anyone there? 00:55 kaeza here 00:56 Aqua The U.N plane i made took me ages 00:56 Aqua and so did the alien mothership 00:56 kaeza cool 00:59 kaeza It seems your problem with the map may be related to the NPC mod 00:59 kaeza try removing it 00:59 kaeza hey leo 01:00 leo_rockway hello 01:40 kaeza1 hey Dogzilla131 01:40 Dogzilla131 hi kaeza1 01:41 kaeza1 what's up? :) 01:53 NakedFury Spoiler Tags for forum list. useful for shortening huge wall of text posts that contain mod info. 01:54 Dogzilla131 the sky :D kaeza1 01:59 kaeza ... 01:59 kaeza hi davidpace 02:00 davidpace Hi kaeza 02:00 kaeza Dogzilla131: O.o 02:01 Dogzilla131 kaeza: ^___^ 02:13 kaeza VanessaE: you here? 02:15 Dogzilla131 why is there two kaezas? 02:15 VanessaE yes 02:15 VanessaE sorry, stepped out for a sec 02:16 kaeza o sorry if I bothered 02:16 kaeza how do you make mesecons using the mese crystals? 02:16 VanessaE no bother 02:16 Uberi|MC kaeza: cook 'em 02:16 VanessaE cook one mese crystal in a furnace 02:17 Uberi|MC in the latest version 02:17 VanessaE assuming you have the latest git 02:17 VanessaE bah, ninja'd twice in a row 02:17 Uberi|MC :P 02:17 kaeza ok 02:18 leo_rockway I think with mese being an alien crystal now, instead of vombies and enderfreaks, some alien mobs are in order 02:18 Uberi|MC maybe they all died off long ago? 02:18 leo_rockway then fossils 02:19 Uberi|MC maybe their bodies decay into gases when they die :P 02:19 leo_rockway maybe mese itself is their crystallized bodies o.o 02:19 Uberi|MC :O 02:19 kaeza no they decay into petroleum (ie. oil mod) 02:20 * Uberi|MC accidentally deleted all his uc work due to a git stash gone wrong 02:20 leo_rockway I have actually never tried the oil mod 02:20 Uberi|MC from now on all my repos are going in the DropBox folder 02:21 kaeza Uberi|MC: can't you git reset/revert? 02:21 VanessaE leo_rockway: Mese Crystal = dessicated aliens? O.O 02:22 Uberi|MC kaeza: nope, something something corrupted, something something error 02:22 Uberi|MC oh forget it I'll just start over 02:24 kaeza hey jin_xi 02:25 leo_rockway VanessaE: you called it an "alien" crystal... 02:26 VanessaE leo_rockway: yeah, but it's supposed to be an alien *artifact* 02:26 VanessaE or at least that's the direction c55 seems to lean toward :-) 02:26 Uberi|MC sounds pretty good 02:28 leo_rockway VanessaE: that's why initially said we would need alien mobs 02:29 leo_rockway but Uberi|MC suggested they died long ago 02:29 Uberi|MC yeah, I think they would be relics of a long lost alien civilization 02:29 Uberi|MC I mean, why would they be inaccessible deep underground? 02:29 kaeza VanessaE: it seems cooking a mese cystal does not work 02:30 VanessaE kaeza: you're out of date :-) 02:30 Uberi|MC kaeza: do you have the latest latest latest version? 02:30 VanessaE grab latest mesecons git 02:30 kaeza I'm relaying information from #minetest-irc-testing 02:30 Uberi|MC your version is several nanoseconds behind 02:30 VanessaE lol! 02:30 kaeza seems like kizeren does not have latest git in his server 02:31 VanessaE I do :-) 02:31 kaeza cool 02:31 kaeza I know 02:31 kaeza but it's for a user of his server 02:31 kaeza he's communicating through mt->irc 02:31 VanessaE it works for me btw 02:31 VanessaE I just checked. 02:31 slacko5371 Hey guys, quick question. 02:31 VanessaE and it cooks fast too 02:31 kaeza cool 02:32 kaeza I'll check :) 02:32 slacko5371 Anybody free to answer? 02:32 VanessaE I just cooked a crystal in my homedecor oven :D 02:32 VanessaE slacko5371: what question? 02:32 kaeza slacko5371: throw your q 02:33 slacko5371 I am running Slacko Puppy, and I installed Minetest using the .pet download and the default gitpet or whatever to install. 02:33 mauvebic kaeza nicer spawnsteroid http://www.zimg.eu/i/660276196 :p 02:33 slacko5371 But, when clicking the application or attempting to run using terminal, absolutely nothing happens. 02:33 kaeza slacko5371: I had Lucid Puppy before 02:34 slacko5371 Any ideas? 02:34 kaeza are you using ROX Filer? 02:34 slacko5371 Sorry, used "petget", and yes, I am using ROX Filer. 02:34 kaeza does it print anything when run from xterm? 02:35 kaeza or just drops you to the prompt? 02:35 slacko5371 No, I get absolutely NO response. 02:35 kaeza hmm 02:35 slacko5371 Or when using my little Xfce menu button, going to "Fun", then clicking it. Absolutely nothing happens. 02:35 kaeza check `which minetest` 02:35 VanessaE not even spike in CPU? 02:35 slacko5371 A small spike. 02:36 slacko5371 Not anything I would think is to consider. 02:36 kaeza puppy packages usually use a wrapper script in games 02:36 slacko5371 Okay? 02:36 kaeza check if that's the case 02:36 VanessaE are you in the games group? maybe that's needed? 02:36 slacko5371 I have no Games group, just a "Fun" group. 02:36 VanessaE slacko5371: I mean system groups e.g. cups, lpr, sudo, etc. 02:37 slacko5371 Oh oh, sorry sorry. I don't know how to PM, I never really use IRC. 02:37 VanessaE (I know nothing about Puppy, just grasping at straws) 02:37 kaeza VanessaE: in puppy you are always root 02:37 VanessaE kaeza: ew. 02:37 Uberi|MC :O 02:37 VanessaE epic security FAIL 02:37 kaeza true 02:37 kaeza :) 02:38 Uberi|MC well it is meant to be a live environment 02:38 VanessaE (not your fault, slacko5371) 02:38 kaeza np slacko5371 02:38 kaeza we are thinking here :) 02:38 slacko5371 So, uhm, any ideas guys? ;P 02:38 slacko5371 Sorry to drop that bomb on ya. 02:38 kaeza to find an answer to your plea 02:39 slacko5371 Any ideas of commands to enter into the Terminal so you can have some more info? 02:39 VanessaE run it through strace 02:39 kaeza hmm 02:39 slacko5371 If I "exec minetest" the terminal exits and nothing happens. 02:39 slacko5371 Strace? 02:39 kaeza nope don't use exec 02:39 VanessaE copy the terminal spew to a pastebin service e.g. pastebin.com 02:39 VanessaE strace is a debugging utility 02:39 VanessaE it might tell us what's happening 02:40 slacko5371 So, am I going to need to install it? Is it an application? 02:40 VanessaE you should be able to just: strace minetest 02:40 VanessaE it's a command-line utility, should be in your software library 02:40 VanessaE might even be installed already 02:40 slacko5371 "strace: command not found" 02:40 kaeza hmm 02:40 slacko5371 I'll install it. 02:40 VanessaE ok, install it :P 02:40 kaeza slacko5371: you have devx.sfs installed right? 02:41 slacko5371 Installing Strace now. 02:41 slacko5371 Kaeza, I do not know. Where am I going to locate it to check? 02:42 kaeza IDK about Slacko Puppy. on lucid you downloaded a separate package containing advanced utilities like strace gcc and such 02:42 slacko5371 Well, I've got Strace. 02:42 slacko5371 I got a whole bunch of crap. You said put it on Pastebin? 02:42 kaeza yes 02:42 slacko5371 One moment. 02:42 VanessaE slacko5371: yes, please. 02:43 slacko5371 I'm using XChat, how do I change my chat name? Oh, and how do I PM so I stop clogging up with IRC. 02:43 VanessaE /nick yourname 02:43 VanessaE /msg someone write your text here 02:43 VanessaE but it's a good idea to stick to public chat for now. 02:44 VanessaE makes it easier to help 02:44 Jakssoul Alright, it's Slacko. 02:44 Jakssoul I will stick to public chat as you requested. 02:44 kaeza k Jakssoul 02:44 VanessaE you can permanently change your IRC nick by opening the servers menu (right click, XChat -> Network List...) and set it there 02:45 Jakssoul Done. Thanks. 02:45 kaeza am I the only one here using pidgin :( 02:45 Jakssoul I am going to feel like a complete idiot asking, BUT, how do I copy information from Terminal in order to paste it into a web browser? 02:45 kaeza select it with mouse 02:45 kaeza and middle click 02:46 VanessaE middle click into the pastebin that is 02:46 Jakssoul I don't have a middle click. 02:46 Jakssoul Using a touchpad on a netbook. 02:46 VanessaE use both buttons at once 02:46 Uberi|MC Jakssoul: some terminals also have a right click menu 02:46 kaeza Uberi|MC: not xterm :( 02:47 Jakssoul http://pastebin.com/V046ww6F 02:47 moltenbot Jakssoul's link: MyMinetestproblems - Pastebin.com 02:47 VanessaE there we go 02:47 Jakssoul Uberi, mine does not. But thank you. 02:47 kaeza hmm 02:47 VanessaE looks like you need to install the program's dependencies, Jakssoul 02:47 kaeza it can't find openGL? 02:47 VanessaE kaeza: or GLU 02:47 Jakssoul I got a whole lot of no directories found. 02:48 Jakssoul Hahahahaa. 02:48 kaeza yes pet packages suck 02:48 Jakssoul Well, how can I do a full check on dependencies for this single program? 02:48 VanessaE Jakssoul 02:48 Uberi|MC Jakssoul: maybe you can temporarily remap something to mbutton? 02:48 VanessaE $ apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev 02:48 VanessaE wait.. 02:48 Uberi|MC or > it to a file and copy from there 02:48 Jakssoul Yes Ma'am? 02:48 VanessaE that's a list of the program's dependencies 02:48 VanessaE you need to find all of those in your package library except for the "apt-get install" part 02:49 VanessaE install all of them 02:49 VanessaE then recompile and try again 02:49 kaeza VanessaE: no apt-get on puppy either :/ 02:49 Jakssoul I should be able to find how to recompile it on Google, I'm assuming? 02:49 VanessaE kaeza: I assumed, hence "except" :-) 02:50 VanessaE Jakssoul: well you could try installing those various -dev files or whatever Puppy's equivalent is, and then just run the game you already have 02:50 VanessaE though I'm surprised you don't at least get an error about missing libx 02:50 VanessaE libs* 02:50 Jakssoul Nope. I got nothing. 02:50 Jakssoul Haha. I appreciate yours guys' help A LOT. 02:51 VanessaE no prob, hopefully we can solve it :-) 02:51 kaeza1 o frack this modem 02:51 VanessaE kaeza1: time to get wired. 02:51 VanessaE :) 02:51 Jakssoul Give me a little bit, and I'll let ya know if it works! 02:51 kaeza1 yes... soon 02:51 VanessaE fuck wireless, plug in a proper gigabit NIC :-) 02:52 Jakssoul How should I go about installing all of those dependencies? The puppy package manager? 02:53 kaeza1 Jakssoul: gimme a few secs while I start my puppy 02:54 kaeza1 erm... VanessaE how do you re-update your libraries under ubuntu? 02:54 Jakssoul I would've just stuck to the puppulinuxsupport IRC, but that thing is void of ANY activity. Kind of surprised me. 02:55 VanessaE kaeza1: re-update them? 02:55 VanessaE er, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?? :-) 02:56 kaeza1 it seems I borked my libs when I copied a LAMP package :/ 02:56 kaeza1 ssl and such 02:56 kaeza1 s/update/reinstall/ 02:57 VanessaE er... 02:57 Jakssoul I was so excited about switching to Slacko Puppy, but daaamn. This .pet crap sucks! 02:57 VanessaE sudo apt-get install --reinstall 02:58 VanessaE should help. 02:58 kaeza1 thx 02:58 VanessaE Jakssoul: get Linux Mint 13 or Xubuntu 12.04 "Precise" 02:58 VanessaE those are meant for normal system installed 02:58 kaeza1 Jakssoul: using an older comp or just a puppyluvr? 02:58 VanessaE installs* 02:58 Jakssoul I'm running on a netbook with only 512MB of RAM. 02:58 Jakssoul So, yeah. 02:58 Jakssoul I do love puppy though. 02:58 kaeza1 that's not bad at all 02:58 VanessaE Jakssoul: also, be sure you get some enzymatic cleaner to help remove all that pet crap ;) 02:59 Jakssoul I would get 2GIGS(The max) but I have no credit card to order online! hahah. 02:59 VanessaE 512MB is plenty to at least run Minetest enough to play it 02:59 Jakssoul I'm saying for larger OS's. 02:59 kaeza1 and also more than enuff to run Xubuntu IIRC 02:59 VanessaE Jakssoul: 512MB is adequate. 03:00 VanessaE you'll not find yourself running out too quickly if you're just a little conservative with your usage 03:00 Jakssoul It's not really enough to have Xubuntu, to my knowledge. Don't they recommend 1.5GIGS? 03:00 kaeza1 just don't use Unity :) 03:00 Jakssoul Unity's for fags. 03:00 VanessaE e.g. don't install a humongous texture pack in MT, don't try to run LibreOffice and VirtualBox at the same time, don't keep 200 tabs open in firefox, that sorta thing 03:00 Jakssoul Sorry. Had to. xD 03:00 VanessaE Jakssoul: please don't use that comparison, it is offensive. And yes, Unity sucks bat farts on park benches. 03:00 * kaeza1 is a fag then 03:01 VanessaE (as my husband would say) 03:01 Jakssoul Sorry, Vanessa. I've nothing against homosexuals. Just a common term now. 03:01 VanessaE ok. 03:01 VanessaE anyways, 03:02 Jakssoul So we have no idea on how I am going to get these dependencies? 03:02 kaeza1 NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) 03:02 kaeza1 Console 03:02 kaeza1 IConsole {1968b7d3-e3bf-4ceb-99e0-cb7c913317bb} 03:03 kaeza1 that'0s what I get from virtualbox 03:03 NekoGloop I'm going to assume: you need to use pastebin 03:03 kaeza1 hi Neko :3 03:04 kaeza1 Failed to load VMMR0.r0 (VERR_SUPLIB_OWNER_NOT_ROOT). 03:06 Jakssoul packages.ubuntu.com has a lot of dependencies. I read that by installing them and then clicking them in ROX it will allow the puppy package manager to install them. 03:06 Jakssoul Hope it's correct. 03:06 kaeza1 yes 03:06 kaeza1 open package manager 03:06 kaeza1 click config 03:07 kaeza1 and check the ubuntu-(xxx)-main repo 03:07 Jakssoul Okay. 03:07 kaeza1 you should be able to install from package manager afterwards 03:07 kaeza1 this is from memory 03:07 kaeza1 can't get virtualbox to fire up puppy 03:08 Jakssoul How do I check that repo? 03:08 kaeza1 hmm... 03:08 kaeza1 there was a config setting somewhere 03:08 kaeza1 in the package manager 03:08 kaeza1 check as in "tick that checkbox" 03:09 Jakssoul It's not available in mine. Just a bunch of puppy repo's. 03:09 kaeza1 isn't there a button around the top-left corner? 03:10 Jakssoul Hang on. I just updated a bunch of shtuff and it's installing some new stuff as well. Hopefully what I need. We'll see. 03:11 Jakssoul Wow. Like, a few thousand things. This'll be a few minutes. 03:11 kaeza1 heh yeah 03:12 Jakssoul Oh, well, ya know., It just decided to install ThunderBird for me. 03:12 Jakssoul I didn't really want it. >_< 03:12 kaeza1 lol thunderbird? 03:12 Jakssoul Oh, and a bunch of Gnome themes! For my XFCE.... ? 03:12 kaeza1 what does it have to do with minetest lol? 03:12 Muadtralk everything! 03:12 Muadtralk what os is it? 03:12 Jakssoul It doesn't. It's installing/updating everything Puppy thinks I need. 03:12 Jakssoul Slacko Puppy. 03:13 Muadtralk or distro or whatever you call it 03:13 Muadtralk hmmm 03:13 Muadtralk never heard of it happening in slacko before 03:13 Muadtralk this ought to be interesting 03:13 Jakssoul No, kaezal, there is no ubuntu-xxx- or whatever option. 03:14 Jakssoul Nor has anything different happened with Minetest when I attempt to run it. 03:14 Muadtralk i hope your willing to donate the results of this to science? 03:14 Jakssoul I need to figure out how to get those dependencies. 03:14 Jakssoul Of course, of course, Maudtralk. 03:14 Jakssoul Everything for science. 03:14 Jakssoul :p 03:18 Jakssoul Well, I'm installing aaa_elflibs-14 which has A LOT of dependencies for other programs. Hopefully mine too! 03:21 Jakssoul Is there a way for me to install minetest to puppy linux without using the .pet 03:21 kaeza Jakssoul: compiling from sources 03:21 kaeza but you require the dependencies anyways 03:22 Jakssoul Wouldn't a different installation method maybe provide those dependencies? 03:23 kaeza hmm 03:23 kaeza I could get you a nicely packaged PET 03:23 kaeza but my VB is not responding yet :/ 03:23 Jakssoul Oh okay. 03:37 Jakssoul Does anybody here actually use Puppy? 03:38 NakedFury never knew that existed 03:38 NakedFury thought you were talking about a real puppy at first 03:38 Muadtralk hmmm 03:38 Muadtralk i tried compiling on puppy 03:39 Muadtralk it failed horribly 03:39 Jakssoul Haha, very nice. xD 03:39 Muadtralk you might have better luck though 03:40 Jakssoul I doubt it! Maybe I should just go with a different Linux Distro? Any suggestions for a crappy netbook? I know a couple people said Xubuntu or Mint, but I'm scared it'll be as slow as Windows. 03:40 kaeza NakedFury: http://puppylinux.org FYI 03:40 moltenbot kaeza's link: Welcome to puppylinux.org ! 03:40 mauvebic !up mauvebic.strangled.net 03:40 moltenbot Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 UP 03:42 mauvebic i fixed up the ufos abit :p 03:42 kaeza mauvebic: can you share the image link again? i /clear'ed :( 03:43 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/4099203334 03:43 kaeza very much appreciated 03:44 kaeza heh someone will freak out seeing that at night 03:44 leo_rockway Jakssoul: Arch 03:44 mauvebic np all im missing now is economy and some stores to sell resources 03:44 kaeza nice! 03:44 mauvebic why would they freak? no sunlight in space lol 03:44 kaeza oh 03:44 kaeza lol 03:45 mauvebic in the meantime cargobay has chests full of stuff lol 03:45 kaeza sorry thought that was in earth 03:45 mauvebic naw space map concept is everyone gets their own asteroid lol 03:46 mauvebic without fly or a ufo you cant get to your neighbours asteroid to grief them lol 03:46 kaeza cool 03:47 mauvebic yeah if i could find a nice texture for forcefields that would be cool too 03:48 kaeza hmm 03:48 kaeza what kind of texture have you in mind? 03:48 kaeza I could do a semi-transparent gradient in a few mins 03:49 mauvebic well ive been trying semi transparents and that doesnt look too good lol 03:49 mauvebic sortof like the water animation but more transparent so it doesn't look "solid" i guess 03:49 kaeza hello jordan4ibanez 03:49 jordan4ibanez hi pooper 03:50 kaeza ... 03:50 jordan4ibanez steam just officially opened the beta for linux 03:50 Muadtralk hmmm? 03:50 jordan4ibanez You can download it here http://store.steampowered.com/about/ 03:50 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Steam, The Ultimate Online Game Platform 03:50 Muadtralk your late to the party 03:50 Muadtralk that was awhile ago jordan 03:50 jordan4ibanez lol, hi kaeza 03:50 kaeza jordan4ibanez: meh 03:50 jordan4ibanez This was 2 days ago, they just opened up the beta to everyone 03:50 leo_rockway E17 was released, that's important. 03:50 jordan4ibanez and tf2 finally works flawlessly, so i'll have a video to prove that in a bit 03:51 kaeza hey guys you know? Gimp 2.7 is out!!! 03:51 kaeza lol 03:51 leo_rockway 2.8 o.0 03:52 leo_rockway and that would still be old news, so you're safe saying 2.8 03:52 kaeza yeh steam always arriving late to the linux party :( 03:52 jordan4ibanez No, what i mean is now steam is available for everyone not just closed beta hack, it's officially come to linux 03:53 kaeza leo_rockway: it was a JOKE man 03:53 kaeza I have 2.8 installed here 03:53 kaeza a bad joke 03:53 kaeza sowwy 03:53 jordan4ibanez can i put a modpack in a modpack? 03:57 jordan4ibanez Woah, i just realised that steam changed their download page to mainly linux 03:57 jordan4ibanez "Also available for Windows, and Mac." 03:58 Muadtralk actually jordan 03:58 Muadtralk anyone not using ubuntu or a derivative 03:59 Muadtralk still needs a hacky version 04:00 leo_rockway kaeza: I know =] 04:00 jordan4ibanez I honestly, could not care less, there was an arch version for the closed beta, but eventually we'll probably see other package manager versions pop up 04:00 jordan4ibanez I'm just happy gaming is finally on linux 04:00 kizeren using Arch here 04:02 jordan4ibanez I want to continue doing the train mod but i'm too lazy right now lol 04:02 jordan4ibanez I am going to make it use the nodebox rails i made before 04:05 jordan4ibanez if you really want to keep your data secure http://qubes-os.org/trac :D 04:05 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: 04:05 jordan4ibanez Oh thanks for that moltenbot, thank you for informing everyone about that link 04:07 Jakssoul Smart Aleck. 04:08 Jakssoul Moltenbot is my bffffffffffffffffflzz. Don't make fun of him/her/it. 04:12 kizeren Help with unifieddyes please. Trying to craft and not working. 04:12 VanessaE hm? 04:12 VanessaE someone mention dyes? :-) 04:12 kizeren Me. 04:12 kizeren Player trying to craft but can't get it to work. 04:13 VanessaE kizeren: firstly, update your copy of mesecons on your server. 04:13 kaeza jordan4ibanez: good 04:13 VanessaE now about the dyes, 04:13 VanessaE which step is not working? 04:13 kizeren power+bottle to liquid. 04:13 kizeren recipe 04:13 kizeren And sorry very tired here. 04:14 kizeren mesecons are from 4 days ago....newer then that? 04:14 VanessaE yep. 04:14 VanessaE lemme re-check my recipes. 04:15 kizeren Why would you mention mesecons? They break dyes? 04:15 kizeren or is it because of the door I was trying to create :P 04:15 VanessaE because kaeza mentioned it earlier ;-) 04:15 VanessaE because he couldn't make mesecons wires. 04:15 kizeren We can on my server. 04:16 kaeza someone called me? 04:16 kaeza oh 04:16 kizeren using the new minetest_game I downloaded from today. 04:16 kaeza nvm 04:16 VanessaE ok so far so good. 04:16 VanessaE testing... 04:17 VanessaE kizeren: works for me. Did your player make sure to craft the base liquid first? 04:17 kizeren we followed the recipe from http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=28399#p28399 in the picture....but doesn't work. 04:17 moltenbot kizeren's link: [Mod] Unified Dyes [20120819][unifieddyes] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 04:18 kizeren Oo...sorry never used dyes. Completely ignorant of them :P 04:18 VanessaE I just made yellow dye as a test: cooked a dandelion. crafted 5 glass blocks to get bottles. rafted jungle grass + bucket of water + six bottles to get the dye base. crafted one of those plus the powder I got from cooking the dandelion 04:18 kizeren That would make sense now that you mention that. 04:18 VanessaE the result was a bottle of yellow die. 04:18 VanessaE dye. 04:19 kizeren Gahh I feel stupid now. 04:19 kizeren Oh well live and learn. 04:19 kizeren So I can craete mesecon wire....Should i still update? 04:19 VanessaE you create a set of mesecons wires by cooking a Mese Crystal 04:20 VanessaE but kaeza said that didn't work on your server 04:20 kizeren yea still have old method. 04:20 kizeren but I see what you mean now. 04:20 kaeza1 kizeren: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3487 04:20 moltenbot kaeza1's link: Recipe Browser (Page 1) - Minetest-related projects - Minetest Forums 04:20 kaeza1 whoops 04:20 VanessaE regarding dyes, which step did your player leave out? 04:20 kaeza1 wrong channel 04:20 kaeza1 sorry 04:21 kizeren Yea I left before I had a chance to watch the forums for recipes that will change since new mese was voted into game. 04:21 VanessaE kaeza1: Unified Inventory FTW :-) 04:21 VanessaE though I can see this mod of yours being useful. 04:21 * kaeza1 thinks he has way too much tabs open 04:22 kaeza1 VanessaE: thx 04:22 kaeza1 It's a bit old 04:22 kaeza1 one of my first posts there 04:22 kaeza1 nobody replied :( 04:22 VanessaE wow, I see that 04:22 VanessaE damn :( 04:23 kaeza1 but may be useful as you say 04:23 sokomine hi 04:23 kizeren unified inventory? 04:24 kaeza1 hi sokomine 04:25 kaeza1 kizeren: o_o 04:27 jordan4ibanez Holy shit, big picture mode turns your linux box into a game console :O 04:27 kaeza1 lol wut 04:28 jordan4ibanez If you enable big picture mode on steam, it turns it into a 3d graphical game console environment you can use with a controller, which is amazing 04:29 kizeren and then it forces you to quit irc.... :) 04:30 kaeza back again. changed my connection settings 04:30 kaeza hope this helps 04:30 sokomine hope jordan isn't lost to steam... 04:31 kaeza he's already lost for MC 04:31 kaeza :( 04:31 sokomine i'm wondering if objects like npc can have a detached inventory. bags at least can have them...that would be useful for npc 04:31 sokomine oh? 04:32 sokomine hm. he'll come back. mc doesn't allow as extensive and easy modding as mt does 04:35 NakedFury Steam big picture mode sucks for me. takes a loooong time to load pages 04:38 NakedFury ugh Hybrid Dog just sort of deleted his I think swmp mod entry 04:39 NakedFury I would like to request for mod backup pages for when this happens 04:40 mauvebic anyone know what happenned with him? 04:41 NakedFury no idea, contrary to a lot of others he didnt post a topic to inform us he is leaving or left. 04:41 mauvebic well the last one was really ridiculous "i bought MC goodbye" lol 04:42 NakedFury in a few months he will be back, if MT moves to 0.5 or .4.5 04:43 mauvebic funny that things are moving faster now than they did a year ago and people are more impatient 04:43 NakedFury yep or let their feelings or hate for the devs get in the way 04:44 mauvebic that can't be helped, you either get along or you dont lol 04:44 VanessaE at lest bas080 came back :-) 04:44 NakedFury you dont bring yor feelings to an irc channel the same way you dont bring a knife to a gun fight 04:45 VanessaE he disappeared for the *longest* time and just showed up channel again today :-) 04:45 NakedFury your not yor 04:45 mauvebic havent seen any flame wars in the last day or two at least lol 04:46 mauvebic though i didn't see hybrid dog on so idont know where he found the time to fight with anyone 04:47 NakedFury its like Im leaving so all I made I will remove. you cant play with it if I wont be here 04:48 mauvebic well for whatever reason they can 04:49 sokomine the swamp mod is a very good idea. it just needs some finetuning. the nodes are already very nice... 04:49 NakedFury im gonna start downloading all mods and saving them for this occasions 04:49 sokomine good idea, nakedfury 04:50 kaeza Isn't that basically to break the law? 04:50 kaeza I mean, release a mod as WTFPL and later remove it? 04:50 mauvebic most licenses, prolly not 04:51 NakedFury I will save them then repost them with changes if possible to remove protests from maker, not that I would care 04:51 sokomine hm, no. if it is wtfpl the original author certainly has the right to stop caring about it and no longer distributing it. he just can't change the wtfpl retrospectively...so people can still do with the mod what they like 04:51 kaeza yes 04:51 mauvebic though i think its kinda lame to repost old mods, my attitude would be to do better 04:51 sokomine that is if it was wtfpl. i don't know anymore :-( the file doesn't contain a liscence. maybe he's just working on the mod? 04:52 kaeza but removing general access to it? 04:52 kaeza s/general/public/ 04:52 NakedFury mauvebic: reposting would be for safekeeping or sort of library purpose, so others can take it and modify 04:52 sokomine if you need a backup i ought to have it lying around here 04:53 VanessaE if someone downloads your mod while it holds a free-distribution license like WTFPL or GPL or whatever, and then that programmer removes their program, you are still allowed to distribute it. 04:53 VanessaE that's the whole point of licenses like the GPL 04:53 kaeza I mean not illegal by the downloader/modifier, but from the mod dev/creator 04:54 kaeza nvm, that's no 04:54 VanessaE not illegal, no 04:54 mauvebic well if someone does improve it then great, otherwise its like saying "we cant do better so here" lol 04:54 sokomine why should that be illegal? we can't condemn people who wrote a mod to forever offer a possibility to download said mod 04:54 VanessaE he's just removing his particular distribution of it, but he's not cutting off access to the code - now if he were to issue some kind of takedown notices (e.g. via the US DMCA if that applies), then that might be illegal. 04:54 mauvebic kaeza the guy is obligated to host the file, he just can't pull the license off something thats already out there 04:55 sokomine it's just a pity if they remove it actively 04:55 mauvebic *isnt obligated lol 04:55 sokomine maybe he'll post an updated version? 04:56 mauvebic knowing why he pulled it would be a good start lol 04:56 VanessaE yup, it would be nice to know. 04:58 mauvebic he prolly argued with someone, people dont pull shit just for losing interest 05:00 mauvebic shit, all his posts are gone 05:00 VanessaE cornernote, nekogloop, now this guy, and how many before them? 05:01 mauvebic lkjoel 05:01 mauvebic who else? 05:01 VanessaE MiJyn you mean. 05:01 VanessaE he's still around off and on. 05:01 NakedFury have a forum rule that all posting is saved and this is an agree or gtfo rule 05:02 Muadtralk KAHRL!!!!!!!!!!! 05:02 mauvebic doesnt really change anything nakedfury 05:02 Muadtralk he just dissapeared 05:02 mauvebic people can close their filehosting accounts 05:02 VanessaE Muadtralk: I was excluding kahrl since he's more of an engine coder than a modder. 05:02 Muadtralk eh 05:02 Muadtralk he still counts 05:02 VanessaE I suppose 05:02 Muadtralk so was lkjoel 05:03 Muadtralk he was better with the engine then with the mods 05:03 sokomine how again was adding images done in the forum? i always forget :-( 05:03 mauvebic one of these mod management system is actually gonna have to host the mods with accurate license info, then ittl be alot harder to remove wtfpl/gpl works 05:03 Muadtralk [img][/img] 05:03 Muadtralk put the image url inbetween them 05:03 Muadtralk oh deathdealers gone 05:04 Muadtralk what happened to him? 05:04 VanessaE oh yeah, but he just sorta..vanished. 05:04 Muadtralk so did kahrl 05:04 VanessaE yeah 05:04 Muadtralk and no_half_measures 05:04 Muadtralk and HAIR 05:04 VanessaE and wowiamdiamonds 05:04 sokomine thanks! 05:04 Muadtralk and Dogers ran away as well 05:04 mauvebic are we still just counting lua/cpp devs? 05:04 VanessaE and a whole bunch of others. 05:04 Muadtralk and Zlovespancakes 05:05 Muadtralk and the original hmmm 05:05 Muadtralk not this imposter 05:05 VanessaE I guess they play on MT for a while, get bored, then leave for MC or some other sandbox game 05:05 Muadtralk most of them liked MT quite a bit 05:05 Muadtralk i wouldnt know why 05:06 Muadtralk well with lkjoel i understand why 05:06 Muadtralk but otherwise 05:06 VanessaE I dunno either. 05:06 VanessaE it's sad, for sure. 05:07 Muadtralk weedy is still around yes? 05:07 sokomine yes it is. but new people come as well? 05:07 mauvebic though there are plenty of people who buy MC and keep playing 05:07 NakedFury got both and still play both from time to time 05:07 Muadtralk but he is lurking in the IRC shadows saying nothing 05:07 mauvebic but MT community by comparison is smaller and its mixed mature/immature lol 05:07 NakedFury curently out of MC 05:08 sokomine the mc server i play on (classic only since i don't have the paid version) is concerned about there beeing less mc classic players around than there used to be as well 05:08 NakedFury wished we could do multiple worlds per server 05:08 Muadtralk that would be cool 05:08 sokomine sounds good :-) 05:08 NakedFury the MC server I played was fiddling with about 10 or more 05:09 NakedFury a snow only 05:09 NakedFury desert, etc 05:09 NakedFury added a creative too 05:09 mauvebic im working a land + space map 05:09 mauvebic though no teleports between maps 05:09 mauvebic i mean you can set up more than one server by changing the port number 05:09 NakedFury of course each world had a different world generation process 05:09 mauvebic you just need a teleport where you point an addy and port number 05:11 sokomine this is a picture of a swamp i just posted: http://www.zimg.eu/i/977861151 05:11 Muadtralk huh 05:11 sokomine it needs some improvement but is something in the right direction - nice new landscape :-) and the textures and plantlife are well made 05:12 sokomine on some servers (looking at redcrabs) it would be an improvement to have some teleporters at all 05:12 NakedFury any new landscape mod gets my vote 05:12 sokomine mine too :-) 05:13 NakedFury I would welcome a bigger beaches mod 05:13 Muadtralk yes me too 05:13 Muadtralk the beaches in minetest are far too small 05:13 sokomine beaches? hm 05:14 sokomine if you want to build a house the landscape usually has too many hills. but larger beaches? you won't be able to see the sea if not on far... 05:15 NakedFury in fact, bigger of each current terrain 05:15 sokomine the nice jungletrees from bas with the diffrent colored leaves ought to have their own habitat with lots of junglegrass between those trees. and another area with those nice trees rba is working on 05:15 VanessaE well let's see what hmmmm comes up with in his reworked mapgen. 05:16 hmmmm i'll upload it to my git asap 05:16 hmmmm like 05:16 VanessaE hah! speak of the devil :-) 05:16 hmmmm you'll appreciate the newest changes i think 05:16 kaeza wb Jakssoul 05:16 VanessaE hmmmm: did my ideas help at all? 05:16 hmmmm erm 05:16 hmmmm i haven't really worked on it 05:16 hmmmm sorry :/ 05:16 Jakssoul Nope. I failed. 05:16 sokomine what are the newest changes? 05:16 VanessaE it's okay 05:16 NakedFury I would like much better use of the +y coordinates[bigger hills or mountains would mean even better cliffs or valleys], jungles, different forests, flat ish deserts and hilly deserts, lakes and bigger oceans, beaches, swamps, grasslands, flat ish grass lands 05:16 * sokomine looks curious 05:17 hmmmm so 05:17 hmmmm hold on 05:17 Jakssoul I have no way of installing Xubuntu from Puppy linux. At all. 05:17 VanessaE time for me to hit the sack. Night all. 05:17 VanessaE Jakssoul: burn it to a CD. Boot from CD. Install. 05:17 sokomine sleep well 05:18 hmmmm heh, i just found a subtle bug in the current mapgen 05:18 Jakssoul Don't have a cd drive on my netbook. :( 05:18 sokomine let's hear :-) 05:18 hmmmm cave_amount is calculated using node_min.X and node_min.Y as the input coordinates 05:18 hmmmm it should X and Z 05:18 VanessaE Jakssoul: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick 05:18 hmmmm as a result the cave amount doesn't vary in the Z direction 05:18 VanessaE looks like you can just stick the ISO file right on a USB thumb drive and your computer will boot from it, 05:18 sokomine ah 05:19 hmmmm the reason why it seems random enough is because all the other parameters use PseudoRandom objects 05:19 sokomine a way to turn off caves alltogehter would be good in some cases as well 05:19 hmmmm you know yeah, i was considering that 05:19 hmmmm turn off big chunks of features 05:20 hmmmm dungeons, caves, etc. 05:20 hmmmm for this release i'll add a switch for the "smooth" biome transitions 05:20 hmmmm because i know a lot of people hate it 05:20 sokomine are dungeons something seperate? i thought of them as caves? 05:20 hmmmm they are completely separate 05:20 sokomine oh 05:21 Muadtralk dungeons! 05:21 Muadtralk are they back? 05:21 sokomine the thing that annoys me most about caves is that they grief my imported structures due to some strange bug. at least they did in the previous version 05:21 Muadtralk if so could someone create a proper model for a mimic? 05:21 hmmmm no they're not back, i can easily put them back though 05:22 kaeza Muadtralk: mimic? 05:22 sokomine i know that some people get enthusiastic about caves and lava and all that. my computer is slow by today's standard...i'd prefer to turn the caves off and make it faster :-) 05:22 kaeza I don't follow 05:22 hmmmm i'll take special requests later 05:22 Muadtralk you dont know a mimic? 05:22 Muadtralk fetching link 05:22 sokomine what are dungeons, then? if not just caves? 05:22 hmmmm oh, sokomine, that won't matter too much.... 05:22 hmmmm ...you'll see. 05:22 hmmmm dungeons are a completely separate piece of code 05:22 kaeza depends on context 05:22 hmmmm passageways are in orthogonal directions for instance 05:23 hmmmm they're always rectangular 05:23 Muadtralk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimic_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) 05:23 moltenbot Muadtralk's link: Mimic (Dungeons & Dragons) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 05:23 hmmmm they use cobble and mossy cobble 05:23 hmmmm lots of differences.... 05:23 Muadtralk yes 05:24 Muadtralk kaeza ! 05:24 sokomine ah. so dungeons are artificial structures? yes, i know about d&d 05:24 Muadtralk look ap 05:24 kaeza yeh 05:24 Muadtralk up* 05:24 VanessaE ok I'm really out now. Night all :-) 05:24 sokomine good night! 05:24 kaeza night V 05:25 sokomine sapiers animals mod has dungeon-like structures for the dungeon masters. they use cobble, mossy cobble, lava, chests etc. 05:26 sokomine thos structures where nice. i just don't like their inhabitants :-) i prefer friendly/neutral npc - and most of all "realistic" ones over magical ones 05:26 Muadtralk but.... rats are magical too! 05:26 Muadtralk and fireflies! 05:27 Muadtralk everything is magical 05:27 Muadtralk except Vohveli 05:27 Muadtralk jk 05:27 kaeza Muadtralk: yes, but I know them from Wild Arms 5 05:27 kaeza the mimics I mean 05:27 sokomine hm :-) in a way they might be (what do they live on in mt? there's noting to eat, no way to dig a home the right size for them...) 05:28 kaeza I'm not into Dnd 05:28 sokomine (rats, i mean) 05:28 * Muadtralk loves the creatures 05:28 Muadtralk thats it 05:28 sokomine which ones? 05:29 Muadtralk all the creatures! 05:29 Muadtralk except furbies 05:29 Muadtralk but they arent real 05:29 kaeza hell, I wish DMs returned to C++ 05:29 Muadtralk as do I 05:29 Muadtralk but my opinion isnt strong enough anymore 05:30 Muadtralk :P 05:30 Muadtralk course when was it? 05:30 * Muadtralk is the eternal noob! 05:30 kaeza so let's make more non-strong opinions :P 05:30 kaeza Muadtralk: I believe pre 0.4.2? 05:30 NakedFury just make monsters for both worlds 05:30 NakedFury the aggressive and non combat mobs 05:30 Muadtralk pre 0.4 stable 05:31 kaeza right 05:31 kaeza I got into MT with minetest-delta 05:31 Muadtralk minetest delta was cool 05:31 Muadtralk OMSK was pretty odd 05:32 Muadtralk but it looked better then a black diglet 05:32 kaeza later updated to 0.4.3 and I lost jungle trees, DMs, rats, and so on... I miss them 05:32 Muadtralk yes i feel sorry for anyone who uses the default now 05:33 Muadtralk i went a good month when i joined without visiting the forums 05:33 Muadtralk if i had done that now 05:33 Muadtralk i would have ditched minetest without a second thought actuall 05:33 Muadtralk actually* 05:34 kaeza yeah 05:34 kaeza It would be nice to have a forum topic to tell people how one got involved with MT 05:35 NakedFury thats a nice thing to do 05:35 Muadtralk there is 05:35 kaeza I remember having such a topic when I mapped for GoldSrc 05:35 Muadtralk but i dont feel like necroposting to it 05:36 kaeza I for myself was looking for a free way to play MC :P 05:36 Muadtralk hmmmm 05:37 Muadtralk you miss mineshafter? 05:37 mauvebic well of course, i got into MT back when i was on the game 05:37 mauvebic working the streets of soho 05:37 mauvebic lol 05:37 Muadtralk hehe 05:37 Muadtralk IIRC 05:37 kaeza just stumbled upon minetest-c55 in alternative.to 05:38 Muadtralk i was trying to beat a list of minecraft clones when i found it 05:38 kaeza and I fell in love 05:38 leo_rockway I was told by a friend "install minetest and join this server" 05:38 leo_rockway I didn't understand what the point of it was 05:38 leo_rockway I had never heard of MC 05:38 hmmmm alright guys 05:38 hmmmm https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/master 05:38 moltenbot hmmmm's link: Commit History ? kwolekr/minetest ? GitHub 05:39 hmmmm right now it's in a usable state 05:39 leo_rockway I was like "it's all pixelated. What is this!?" 05:39 NakedFury I was an mc guy that went on a quest to search for mc look a likes 05:39 hmmmm note that this is based on 0.4.3, NOT 0.4.4, therefore it won't be compatible with current servers 05:39 leo_rockway now I'm hooked on MC let's play 05:39 Muadtralk wha? 05:40 Muadtralk not up to date? 05:40 hmmmm so, I mean, if you want your mapgen to zoom :)... 05:40 Muadtralk all this and we dont get shaders? 05:40 Muadtralk ive been waiting impatiently 05:40 Muadtralk :( 05:40 kaeza lol I was like "WTF is so good with this blocky game? I don't really get why people on MemeBase get so fired up about it" 05:41 Muadtralk I'm out. 05:41 leo_rockway kaeza: yes! 05:42 leo_rockway I felt that way for a very long time 05:42 leo_rockway until I found some neat let's play videos 05:59 kaeza k guys 05:59 kaeza I think I'm out for the night 06:00 kaeza goos night to all! 06:00 leo_rockway night, kaeza 06:32 Aqua__ Hello? 06:32 Calinou hey 06:33 Aqua__ Can you help me? 06:33 Aqua__ I've asked other people their not sure... 06:37 Calinou just ask 06:42 Aqua__ http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4171 06:42 moltenbot Aqua__'s link: HELP HUGE MAP PROBLEM!!! (Page 1) - Bugs and Problems - Minetest Forums 06:43 Calinou ^ why you should backup your maps often 06:43 Calinou also you probably have a similar problem to VanessaE (see her server) 06:44 Calinou it takes 3 minutes to load map there 06:44 Aqua__ I do i make backups daily 06:44 Aqua__ But I did alot today 06:44 Aqua__ And it just didnt work a few minutes later 07:30 OldCoder Heh 07:30 Calinou why was he banned 07:30 Calinou erm, quieted 07:30 OldCoder Calinou, I unbanned 07:30 OldCoder Simple 07:31 artur99 what is that? 07:31 OldCoder I cannot ban somebody for being disrespectful 07:31 OldCoder It is against my principles 07:31 OldCoder But I cannot be here and listen to his sh*t 07:31 OldCoder There is nothing in my principles that says I must listen to him 07:31 OldCoder So quiet seems fair 07:31 OldCoder This is a way for me to remain here 07:32 OldCoder I left a few days ago 07:32 OldCoder But this way perhaps I can still help 07:32 OldCoder Oh, Calinou I need to speak with you 07:32 OldCoder Calinou, PM about another matter 07:32 OldCoder Same person, right? 07:34 OldCoder 07:34 OldCoder Calinou, May I PM about another issue? 07:41 Calinou yes 07:59 OldCoder Calinou, I have PMd 07:59 OldCoder john_minetest, Hello 08:04 Calinou you only said "hi" in PM.. 08:06 OldCoder Calinou, Sorry 08:06 OldCoder Calinou, I am tired. I wish to talk. My client does not open a window until you reply. 08:06 OldCoder Calinou, I have PMd again. Will you reply? 08:10 Calinou ok 08:23 Jordach good morning OldCoder 08:23 Jordach im up early for once 08:24 OldCoder All right 08:26 Jordach OMFG https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/e786c8f35fa54fdaa0711a1254dea0625e0ab645 08:26 moltenbot Jordach's link: Add initial Lua biomedef support, fixed biome selection ? e786c8f ? kwolekr/minetest ? GitHub 08:28 Jordach this shit needs to be merged. 08:40 Jordach could be 08:43 davidpace_ Hi all 09:01 OldCoder Zeg9, Hello 09:02 Zeg9 Hello ! 09:11 Jordach wyf did apple to do itunes?! its not even using 55mb of ram? 09:12 Jordach wtf* 09:18 Calinou itunes, i am disappoint 09:18 Calinou clementine FTW 09:18 Jordach Calinou, i do everything else in winamp 09:18 Jordach (itunes for syncing the ipa) 09:18 Jordach ipad)* 09:19 thexyz ifuse 09:19 Calinou winamp is worse 09:20 Jordach go on. 09:20 Calinou have to go now :p 10:09 markveidemanis anyone want me 2 test a mod? 10:12 markveidemanis which server has only default mods? 10:16 markveidemanis__ which server has only default mods? 10:16 Jordach none 10:16 Jordach this one does: 127.0.0.1 10:16 marktraceur markveidemanis__: You already asked that. 10:17 brobostigon good morning everyone, 10:21 brobostigon hello john_minetest 10:24 Zeg9 Join us on 127.0.5.192 10:24 Zeg9 Server with your favourite mods ^ 10:41 devlab hi 10:44 devlab minetest has an oddity, starting the game caused the screen to go small, any ideas? 11:00 Jordach devlab, that might be a driver issue 11:55 markveidemanis__ Zeg9: add building blocks to your server 12:19 demo how are .po files used? 12:19 demo do i specify them when compiling or what? 12:28 thexyz .po are compiled ones, iirc 12:28 thexyz they automatically compile when you choose to use gettext 12:29 thexyz oh, no, i'm wrong 12:29 thexyz anyway, see src/CMakeLists.txt 12:30 thexyz you should cmake -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 12:30 thexyz demo: 12:37 Zeg9 Hidden text: http://ompldr.org/vZ3Nkag 12:47 markveidemanis thats not an answer... 12:59 markveidemanis how 13:01 markveidemanis i know its in DEC 13:01 markveidemanis wait, HEX? 13:01 markveidemanis well, that makes it easier... 13:15 markveidemanis i found the answer 14:42 devlab How can i remove the cart from the rail? (PilzAdam's Cart mod) 14:44 devlab doesn't work 14:44 Zeg9 devlab, Shift+ click 14:52 iqualfragile thexyz: you aksed me to fix my pull-request, whats wrong with it? 14:55 thexyz iqualfragile: i've already told 14:55 thexyz your email is set to be @example.com 14:55 iqualfragile yup 14:55 iqualfragile thats kindof intentional… 14:55 thexyz ok, i'll ask c55 then 14:56 thexyz is it acceptable 15:03 thexyz iqualfragile: see #minetest-dev logs 15:05 iqualfragile ok… how do i change that? 15:05 iqualfragile ( i dont know git, you now) 15:07 Zeg9 git config --global user.email 15:08 Zeg9 Something like that 15:12 iqualfragile yeah, but i have allready commited the changes 15:13 thexyz !g git change commit author 15:13 Minetest-tan thexyz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3042437/change-commit-author-at-one-specific-commit 15:13 iqualfragile ok 15:22 markveidemanis p 15:33 iqualfragile thexyz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/74 15:33 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Fix default_grass_side, improve dirt by iqualfragile ? Pull Request #74 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 16:02 devlab can i remove the copper rails (moreores mod) without deleting the mod? 16:06 VanessaE hi all. 16:06 VanessaE devlab: why would you want to do that? 16:06 Zeg9 Hi VanessaE 16:07 devlab i wanted to see if the carts mod works with that 16:07 VanessaE devlab: it does. 16:07 VanessaE as long as you have the latest git for carts, moreores and minetest engine. 16:07 VanessaE (or at least, nearly the latest for the engine anyway) 16:08 devlab i got minetest from openSUSE's games repo 16:11 Jordach devlab, -DRUN_IN_PLACE = 1 FTW 16:11 devlab brb, cloning latest git 16:11 VanessaE devlab: your copy is most likely quite out of date then 16:11 Minetest-tan GIT: iqualfragile (Iqualfragile) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Removed significant details from default_dirt.png to make it look less repetative 9232734a48 2012-12-22T08:08:56-08:00 16:11 VanessaE yes, git ftw :-) 16:12 iqualfragile git is crap, seriously… 16:12 iqualfragile hg is alot better 16:12 devlab lol, 16:12 thexyz i've never used hg but git is not crap 16:13 VanessaE I've used hg, cvs, svn, and git. They all seem about the same from a user's standpoint, for maintaining my own repository? git or gtfo. 16:13 VanessaE but for* 16:14 iqualfragile why not hg? 16:14 iqualfragile its great because its decentral 16:14 iqualfragile (i mean it, decentral!) 16:14 Kray git is also decentralized... 16:14 celeron55 minetest started in hg because it's better than svn, and went from hg to git because git is better than hg 16:14 VanessaE it's been too long since I last used it, but I just recall not liking it particularly well. 16:15 VanessaE Who deleted the "0" thread from the forums? 16:16 iqualfragile there was a 0 thread? 16:16 VanessaE yeah, it was I think for the swamps mod, then the author thereof removed it and replaced the subject and post content with just '0' 16:17 VanessaE but there was some discussion associated with it. 16:17 VanessaE http://minetest.org/data/modsru/121202/sumpf/ 16:17 VanessaE here's the missing mod. 16:18 VanessaE celeron55: I think we need to disable editing of the first post after a reply has been added. 16:18 VanessaE this shit's gotta stop. 16:18 thexyz no way 16:18 Jordach hybrid dog makes good mods, but bins them 16:18 VanessaE cornernote tried it. gloopmaster. now whats-his-name this time. Others before I'm sure. 16:19 thexyz https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjhZ4mDEsc-2dHVnallwTG5pRFlmaTZWeU5XMDF5ZkE#gid=0 16:19 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest forum required features 16:19 thexyz let's choose a new forum? 16:19 VanessaE glwt. 16:20 thexyz VanessaE: well, this is the only solution i see 16:21 Jordach VanessaE, NOOOOOO 16:21 Jordach MY MOST POSTS! 16:21 VanessaE ok, how about automatic ban of editing the first post only if you try to reduce the content to, say, less than 10 percent of the original? 16:22 VanessaE (and restore the pre-edited content). that'll keep people from blanking them out 16:22 Jordach VanessaE, or just remove topic edits altogether 16:22 iqualfragile hmm… there seem to be alot of pull-requests waiting 16:22 VanessaE Jordach: same thing as banning editing of the first post anyway 16:22 iqualfragile why wont they get merged in? 16:23 VanessaE iqualfragile: no one available to review them? 16:23 thexyz VanessaE: no way 16:23 VanessaE why? 16:23 thexyz users can edit post multiple times 16:23 thexyz the only solution is to track whole edit history 16:23 VanessaE ok, less than 10% of the *initial* post. 16:24 Jordach thexyz, https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=572129 16:24 VanessaE I dunno 16:24 Jordach there is a addon for post history for phpvv 16:24 Jordach bb* 16:24 VanessaE I think having the whole history available is a potentially bad idea. 16:24 thexyz VanessaE: why? 16:25 VanessaE minor edits here and there clogging up the history 16:25 VanessaE potential for abuse 16:25 Jordach because a git like changes system would allow reversion 16:25 thexyz VanessaE: huh 16:25 thexyz then the current system is "potential for abuse" too 16:25 * Jordach has noticed that PilzAdam has not been around 16:25 thexyz posts history is just fine 16:26 thexyz any other sane forum engines? 16:26 devlab there's myBB 16:26 iqualfragile Jordach: me too… 16:27 VanessaE thexyz: ok so go with post history, but make it available only to mods, with a "revert to this entry" option and the ability to lock out further editing of the post. 16:27 VanessaE e.g. the post-specific equivalent of the "Close Thread" link. 16:27 thexyz why do we need that? 16:28 VanessaE because it's clear that regular users will abuse the system. 16:28 thexyz i mean, >the post-specific equivalent of the "Close Thread" link. 16:28 VanessaE so we minimize the potential for abuse without sacrificing features 16:29 VanessaE simple: revert to the last known good edit, lock it to that so the original author can't revert your revert. 16:29 VanessaE the original author could easily request the lock be removed. 16:29 VanessaE by adding a new reply to the thread, 16:30 thexyz why should we lock it? 16:30 VanessaE well, think of it this way: 16:30 VanessaE why would you revert a post? 16:31 VanessaE to undo some catastrophic change e.g. blanking it out, right? 16:31 thexyz sure 16:31 VanessaE ok, so suppose you revert that blank. 16:31 VanessaE the original author comes around and does what Gloop kept doing - re-blanking it out. 16:31 thexyz then I ban the original author 16:31 thexyz ...and they lived happily ever after 16:31 VanessaE I edited one of his blanked-out threads to restore the deleted content - one of his mods. 16:31 VanessaE he re-blanked it. 16:32 VanessaE no, don't ban. 16:32 thexyz no, ban 16:32 VanessaE that's too extreme. 16:32 thexyz that's fine 16:32 VanessaE no. 16:32 thexyz just need to add some entry to rules 16:32 VanessaE lock first, *then* ban. 16:32 thexyz which disallows to stop users from accessing your mods 16:32 VanessaE just like muting first here before banning. 16:32 VanessaE give the user a second chance. 16:32 thexyz i don't think any forum has this feature 16:32 VanessaE ALWAYS give the user a second chance. 16:33 thexyz reverting is "a second chance" 16:33 thexyz locking is a third one 16:33 VanessaE eh? 16:33 VanessaE you just said revert and ban? 16:33 VanessaE how is that giving them a second chance to continue their work? 16:33 thexyz ban when he/she blanks it again 16:33 VanessaE mmmmh 16:33 VanessaE ban them and then they can't contribute to the forums at all anymore. 16:34 VanessaE sometimes even the worst asshole can sometimes make useful stuff 16:35 VanessaE so, revert. if blanked again revert and lock. If the user does something stupid again, then ban them. 16:35 VanessaE so three chances if you really want to split hairs. 16:35 thexyz ok, fine, i just want to tell you that there's no such feature in any forums i know 16:35 VanessaE "three strikes" is a pretty common rule almost everywhere on and off the net. 16:37 thexyz any other forum engines to compare? 16:38 VanessaE not sure off the top of my head. 16:38 VanessaE slashcode ;-) 16:38 VanessaE but that's regularly agreed to be a total mess :-) 16:39 VanessaE http://punbb.informer.com/forums/topic/21390/release-post-edit-period/ 16:39 VanessaE change the editing time to 0. 16:39 VanessaE problem solved. 16:39 thexyz nice joke 16:39 thexyz how would modders update their posts (new version, etc) then? 16:40 VanessaE set the default editing time to some ridiculously long period e.g. 50 years? 16:40 rubenwardy I have made the medal/badges extension 16:40 VanessaE rubenwardy: cool 16:40 celeron55 thexyz: throw http://www.djangobb.org/ or something on the list 16:40 moltenbot celeron55's link: 16:41 thexyz celeron55: >19 users 16:41 thexyz i'll also add "conversion from punbb" entry 16:42 celeron55 djangobb has that 8) 16:42 celeron55 (might be outdated though...) 16:42 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/punbb_medals 16:42 rubenwardy lacks an install script, at the momment 16:42 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: rubenwardy/punbb_medals ? GitHub 16:42 rubenwardy can I have the google docs link? 16:43 thexyz well, last commit is 3 years ago 16:43 celeron55 we could, of course, just extend punbb instead 16:43 celeron55 it's not like it didn't have the necessary hooks and so 16:43 rubenwardy Extending punbb is fun 16:44 VanessaE celeron55: see the editing timeout link above. default it to 50 years or some other ridiculous time, reduce it to like 1 second when you want to disable editing of a given post. 16:45 thexyz VanessaE: wait, you can't do that for one specific post 16:45 VanessaE (and delete the "as editing time is expired) 16:45 VanessaE oh? 16:45 VanessaE well shit. 16:46 thexyz (probably) 16:46 VanessaE just trying to find a way to effect such a feature without ripping out the whole underlying forum framework. 16:46 VanessaE surely an extension would be less work :-) 16:47 NakedFury thexyz: added another feature request. Spoiler tag to hide long walls of texts 16:48 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/punbb_medals.png 16:48 rubenwardy most of the things (like utube, spoiler etc) are just bbcode stuff 16:48 NakedFury but we dont have it now 16:49 rubenwardy it would be easy to update punbb's bbcode to support all those 16:49 NakedFury and spoiler can be used to hide the download links, screenshots, pieces of code, etc 16:49 rubenwardy I use an up to date version on my mod reviewer 16:49 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum/blob/master/scripts/formatcode.php 16:49 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: minetest-forum/scripts/formatcode.php at master ? rubenwardy/minetest-forum ? GitHub 16:50 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/punbb_medals.png 16:50 rubenwardy ^^ Screenshot of my medal extension 16:51 rubenwardy I am "anjayward" on the google drive document. Can I have edit permission? 16:51 NakedFury medals can be an entertaining thing to have. sort of like forum achievements 16:51 mitori is jordach here? 16:51 rubenwardy yeah 16:51 VanessaE I could agree with the medals. 16:51 VanessaE what do the others mean? 16:51 NakedFury made your first mod? get a medal 16:51 rubenwardy medals type: https://github.com/rubenwardy/punbb_medals/blob/master/medal_types.php#L10 16:51 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: punbb_medals/medal_types.php at master ? rubenwardy/punbb_medals ? GitHub 16:51 VanessaE oh that tells me a whole lot :-) 16:51 NakedFury 1 year anniversary since you joined? a medal 16:52 VanessaE I meant a legend image, not a chunk of code :-) 16:52 rubenwardy mod pioneer, server owner, competition winner, rainbow award, nyan cat award 16:52 rubenwardy left to right 16:52 rubenwardy the chunk of code has image references and descriptions 16:52 VanessaE your nyancat image on the medal needs changed. Use mine from the game. 16:53 VanessaE generally, I like the idea :-) 16:53 rubenwardy Yeah, i know 16:53 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/punbb_medals/tree/master/imgs 16:53 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: punbb_medals/imgs at master ? rubenwardy/punbb_medals ? GitHub 16:54 NakedFury medals can get ranks. 1 year of being a member. 2 year, etc. 1 mod made then fifth mod made, etc 16:54 rubenwardy bronze silver gold versions 16:54 VanessaE not a bad idea as long as each replaces the previous 16:55 NakedFury yes 16:55 NakedFury hi hmmm 16:55 VanessaE you don't want to have a dozen medals on the screen if say 4 or 5 is enough :-) 16:55 NakedFury yes, a limited amount 16:57 thexyz rubenwardy: PM me your email 16:58 celeron55 thexyz: djangobb is probably the easiest to extend of all those, but also it probably has the worst support of those all - and on a third hand, it probably is the most secure to begin with (because django's design is so strict) 16:58 thexyz yeah, but who would spend time implementing all those features? 16:59 celeron55 i have no idea how to choose from any of those 8) i dislike phpbb with passion - it just has a track record of being full of flaws 16:59 thexyz i'd prefer xenforo 16:59 celeron55 is $140 an unlimited per-site license? 17:01 NakedFury http://alternativeto.net/software/xenforo/ 17:01 moltenbot NakedFury's link: XenForo Alternatives and Similar Software - AlternativeTo.net 17:01 rubenwardy I like extending punbb 17:01 thexyz celeron55: seems so 17:01 NakedFury XenForo License$140* 17:01 NakedFury Includes 12 months of ticket support and upgrades. Support and upgrade access can currently be extended for $40 for an additional 12 months (see details). 17:02 celeron55 that would like quadruple the cost of hosting this thing for the next many years 17:03 NakedFury 1 license per Xenforo installation. $40 1 year extension package add-on. provides access to support and updates for a year from the date of purchase. 17:03 VanessaE well screw that. 17:03 NakedFury I think its unlimited unless you want more updates after the year has passed 17:03 celeron55 who does *not* want? 17:04 rubenwardy I think we should stay with punbb 17:04 Penguin_ HI 17:04 rubenwardy the main issue's are bbcode related, which should be easy to fix 17:04 VanessaE stick to punbb. it's free, it's already implemented and running decently, and it'd be less work to extend it than to switch to something new I'm sure. 17:04 celeron55 if we're going to spend $140 or more, then it's a completely viable alternative to pay that for someone to take the time to add things to either punbb or djangobb or pretty much anything that has some free support 17:05 thexyz well, i can give something like 50$ 17:06 NakedFury are we using punbb forum thingy? 17:06 thexyz to start with.. 17:08 NakedFury punbb 1.4.2? going to check for extensions 17:08 celeron55 it would be good to somehow manage to launch a sustained community development effort on the website too 17:08 celeron55 but it's hard to get something like that started 17:09 NakedFury ok found official pm, poll, tags, and attachment plugins 17:09 NakedFury how would it work on the website? 17:09 rubenwardy celeron55, what version of punbb are you currently using, and will you update to 1.4.2, if it is old 17:10 celeron55 i run 1.3, because i've been unsure about how smooth the upgrade to 1.4 is 17:10 rubenwardy ok 17:10 rubenwardy I thought do 17:10 rubenwardy so 17:10 celeron55 it should be upgraded though 17:10 rubenwardy make sure you backup before you do, lol 17:10 celeron55 but i just haven't found the motivation to allocate the random time it might take 17:11 celeron55 the first thing to get right in any software: make upgrades so fool-proof that anyone will have no hesitation to pick up a newer version 17:12 celeron55 but making that happen is hard and boring :-| 17:12 celeron55 and testing php+database stuff is hard and boring too 17:13 celeron55 django and sqlite is good at testing, but less good in migrations 17:14 thexyz there's south for django 17:14 celeron55 why couldn't it be, like, an executable to start and stop with no external crap :P 17:14 NakedFury it would be too easy 17:14 celeron55 sqlite database backends get close to that though 17:16 rubenwardy Does punbb not have an update script, where you just click a button, and it updates like that? 17:16 rubenwardy piwik does 17:17 * Jordach is commiting mitori's textures to git 17:17 celeron55 those seem to usually require some awful ftp server configurations and whatnot 17:18 celeron55 like the one in wordpress 17:18 celeron55 i can't understand why anyone would design anything like that 17:18 NakedFury easy 1 click transitions are stuff from legends 17:18 NakedFury myths 17:18 rubenwardy piwik does it 17:18 celeron55 punbb doesn't have automatic updater, and that is a *good thing* 17:18 Jordach VanessaE, you here? 17:18 rubenwardy http://piwik.org/ 17:18 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Free Web Analytics Software - Analytics - Piwik 17:18 VanessaE yes 17:18 rubenwardy really? 17:19 VanessaE WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT!?!?!?! 17:19 VanessaE :-) 17:19 VanessaE sorry, channeling NekoGloop for a second there :D 17:19 VanessaE what's up, Jordach? 17:19 celeron55 otherwise the php of the forum would have the privileges to modify itself 17:19 celeron55 think of all the cracking possibilities 17:19 rubenwardy oh, yeah 17:20 rubenwardy it could mutate into vista 17:20 Jordach https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/76 17:20 moltenbot Jordach's link: Add Mitori's Textures to Replace VanessaE's textures. by Jordach ? Pull Request #76 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 17:20 Jordach there 17:20 celeron55 altough... 17:21 thexyz Jordach: any in-game screenshot? 17:21 celeron55 i do use punbb's automatic extension installer which does exactly that for scripts in extensions/ 17:21 Jordach too fuckin lazy 17:21 celeron55 so dunno 17:21 Jordach not to mention my girlfriend is here atm 17:21 thexyz you know, no pix = no cli^w merges 17:22 celeron55 https://github.com/Jordach/minetest_game/commit/5726202f9c71da6d0ed289af7945c11391de1675 17:22 moltenbot celeron55's link: add mito551's textures, ? 5726202 ? Jordach/minetest_game ? GitHub 17:22 celeron55 wat :D 17:22 celeron55 just what is wrong with that mese block; why would anyone do that 17:22 Jordach he made better ones....apparently 17:22 VanessaE Jordach: ew. 17:22 Jordach he wanted to, but forking 404'd for him 17:23 Jordach just a reminder then 17:23 Jordach time to fork minetest game 17:23 Jordach it gives me 404 when i try to fork it :( 17:23 rubenwardy (5:22:09 PM) celeron55: https://github.com/Jordach/minetest_game/commit/5726202f9c71da6d0ed289af7945c11391de1675 17:23 rubenwardy nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 17:23 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: add mito551's textures, ? 5726202 ? Jordach/minetest_game ? GitHub 17:23 rubenwardy oh wait, it isnt in celeron55/minetest_game 17:23 VanessaE Jordach: that's a big NO. Sorry, those are just ugly in context 17:23 Jordach so? mese never fitted in anyways 17:23 VanessaE as some other object in the game, they would probably work 17:24 VanessaE but as mese? No. it's supposed to be yellow :-) 17:24 VanessaE (even if it was meant as a joke originally) 17:24 Jordach i interpreted it as something else entirely 17:24 Jordach some form of matter that cant be described 17:25 sokomine at first mese seemed very strange. but then the glowing yellow proved helpful in finding it. a bit light in all those caves and tunnels is good :-) 17:25 mauvebic new mesh for zeg's ufos' http://www.zimg.eu/i/2233005989 17:25 mauvebic ( didnt make itmyself lol) 17:25 VanessaE mauvebic: use that for a nice "airplane" mode :-) 17:25 VanessaE it looks good 17:25 VanessaE s/mode/mod/ 17:26 mauvebic well the BSG vipers do look like jets with clipped wings 17:26 VanessaE ah 17:26 Jordach https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/1439852/28598/a268ace8-4c5c-11e2-9914-4385bcf4cd24.png 17:26 hmmmm ahh 17:26 Jordach pull req upd. with pics 17:26 hmmmm celeron i've been looking for you 17:26 mauvebic damn mesh is too complex though, a few minutes of flight and the plane disapears lol 17:26 hmmmm what structures are associated with a peer_id aside from a Peer 17:26 VanessaE mauvebic: if I had to choose though, I'd go for some kind of round thing, not unlike "Cosmos" from G1 Transformers 17:27 NakedFury mauvebic I would approve anything BSg related 17:27 VanessaE http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/thumb/9/9d/G1-toy_Cosmos.jpg/300px-G1-toy_Cosmos.jpg 17:27 FreeFull Jordach: What is that, a duck block? 17:27 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4180 had to google it 17:27 VanessaE as pictured on the right half. 17:27 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Mod] phonics (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 17:27 sokomine btw, i'm still hoping to get right-click on npc to produce a formspec. it seems that requires some changes. havn't got far because i'm not really familiar with the code 17:27 mauvebic well i wanted the viper mesh for my battlestar mockup, but now that i know how, i can do it with any free meshes on the net 17:27 Zeg9 Btw, I'm making a new planes mod mauvebig 17:27 Zeg9 mauvebic* 17:27 mauvebic hey zeg you saw my screen? 17:27 Zeg9 Just did 17:28 celeron55 hmmmm: umm... the RemoteClients on the Server... and everything that has to refer to individual clients 17:28 mauvebic ill post the link to your thread once i "smooth" the flight a little bit 17:28 mauvebic damn thing keeps vibrating and i cant find the place to put the quarters... lol 17:28 celeron55 hmmmm: many things in Connection and in Server, afaik 17:28 hmmmm oh okay good 17:28 hmmmm yea 17:28 hmmmm RemoteClient it shall be then 17:28 hmmmm did you see the problem with the emerge queue not getting emptied fast enough yesterday 17:28 celeron55 RemoteClient is the thing that stores per-client things server-side 17:29 celeron55 no 17:29 hmmmm :S 17:29 Zeg9 mauvebic, the new planes mod will allow pitch, too 17:29 mauvebic though i think the ufo vibrating has something to do with accel being divided on every step? 17:29 hmmmm http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-12-21#i_2740418 17:29 moltenbot hmmmm's link: IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2012-12-21 17:29 Zeg9 That's possible, anyway, I'll rewrite it from scratch 17:29 mauvebic do you have problems with ufo entities disapearing and reappring? 17:30 mauvebic *reappearing 17:30 mauvebic like when youre standing right next to them i mean 17:30 Zeg9 No 17:30 Zeg9 Well not yet 17:30 Zeg9 lol 17:30 mauvebic maybe i shouldn't have filled my bay with them lol 17:30 celeron55 hmmmm: took a quick look of the backlog... how about just killing the whole emerge queue if it gets too big? 8) 17:30 Zeg9 ... 17:31 Zeg9 Well /clearobjects :D 17:31 hmmmm lol 17:31 celeron55 it'll fill up automatically anyway 17:31 hmmmm no but seriously 17:31 hmmmm how do we stop adding things to the queue if it gets too full 17:31 mauvebic ill keep an eye out for your update, ill keep adating new meshes on my side :-) when it comes to flying im not much use codewise 17:31 hmmmm do we just drop the blocks!? 17:31 hmmmm how will the client ever get those blocks 17:31 celeron55 it's a polling system, so dropping things is the natural thing to do to throttle it 17:32 celeron55 but dunno about how to specifically do it 17:32 hmmmm well 17:32 mauvebic oo zeg we need to find a few basic sounds like taking off, flying and landing background noise :-D 17:33 Zeg9 And crash noise, too 17:33 hmmmm i'm just going to add a if (m_emergequeue.size() < drop_amount) { addQueue; trigger; } 17:33 codile hey cool celeron55 is online ^^ 17:34 celeron55 hmmmm: there's the if(server->m_emerge_queue.peerItemCount(peer_id) < max_emerge) part in there... why doesn't it work? 17:34 hmmmm and peerItemCount will be made O(1) by reading the number of requested blocks from the associated RemoteClient 17:34 mauvebic and some kind of standby noise when the plane hits an unloaded chunk 17:34 hmmmm oh 17:34 hmmmm it's actually because peerItemCount is too slow 17:34 hmmmm it scales linearily with the number of items in the queue 17:35 hmmmm so what happens is it goes into SendBlocks which locks env and con 17:35 mauvebic fun thing about ufo's is turrets and npcs tryin to shoot them down lol 17:35 hmmmm so the emergethread is getting starved of time to process them 17:35 Jordach hmmmm, did you make engine biomes? 17:35 celeron55 hmm wtf 17:35 hmmmm engine biomes...? 17:35 hmmmm yeah 17:35 Jordach https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/e786c8f35fa54fdaa0711a1254dea0625e0ab645 17:35 moltenbot Jordach's link: Add initial Lua biomedef support, fixed biome selection ? e786c8f ? kwolekr/minetest ? GitHub 17:35 hmmmm i was watching it on vanessa's server yesterday 17:35 hmmmm it was hilarious 17:36 celeron55 hmmmm: see the "continue"? probably just quit the whole thing if the emerge queue is too filled up 17:36 hmmmm the number of items in the queue got up to 57000 before i killed it 17:36 celeron55 now it'll try again and again for no reason 17:36 hmmmm and every time emergequeue would get a chance to run because it's not locked 17:36 celeron55 until... umm... somehting 17:36 hmmmm it'd remove only like 500 items 17:36 Jordach so a 500 cap would suit 17:36 Jordach IF possible 17:37 hmmmm well obviously that number is very system-specific 17:37 NakedFury test at different limits. 1000-750-500-etc 17:37 celeron55 http://paste.dy.fi/HlH 17:37 moltenbot celeron55's link: pastebin 17:37 celeron55 how about this 17:38 hmmmm yeah I was thinking of doing that too 17:38 hmmmm no idea why you don't just break out of it in the first place, heh.... 17:38 celeron55 it's probably how it was designed to work but was missed while developing it with light loads 17:38 Jordach hmmmm, i miss mapgenv6 17:38 hmmmm jordach, ? 17:39 hmmmm you can play with it if you build from my repository 17:39 Jordach remember 0.3.x when it would make random shit? 17:39 celeron55 the emerge queue a very complicatedly behaving system 17:39 hmmmm no that's mapgen v5 17:39 hmmmm I plan on bringing that back too 17:39 celeron55 and it has been tuned during a long time 17:39 Jordach sfan5, present? 17:40 VanessaE celeron55: I'd have to say, without fear or reservation, that it went just *slightly* out-of-tune at some point :D 17:41 VanessaE (out of tune as in the musical phrase, not your use of the word) 17:41 celeron55 out-of-tune applies with the non musical word too 8) 17:41 celeron55 (it's tuned for a certain kind of loading, and gets out of hand with an another kind) 17:42 hmmmm you do realize all this is going to be completely changed once i add the multithreading, right? 17:42 celeron55 i don't care, as long as it works better 17:42 Jordach multi-threads + minetest == OH SHI- 17:43 hmmmm well it is already multithreaded in the purest sense 17:43 rubenwardy hmm, what should I do now... 17:43 hmmmm the change i'm talking about is having number_of_cores + 1 emergethreads that don't quit when they run out of items to process 17:45 hmmmm also they'll keep processing items in their queues and adding it to a buffer, it'll try envlock and if it can't acquire that, it'll move onto the next one 17:45 hmmmm i've got some really neat ideas 17:46 NakedFury don't get burned out of coding 17:46 hmmmm ah no i have all summer to do this 17:46 celeron55 it's summer now? 8) 17:47 celeron55 if you're messing around with that, you might want to take a look at https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/client_requests_blocks_2 too 17:47 moltenbot celeron55's link: celeron55/minetest at client_requests_blocks_2 ? GitHub 17:47 hmmmm that 17:47 celeron55 because... that is probably where it is going to go some distant day in the future 17:47 celeron55 also this https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/tcp_blocks_2 17:47 moltenbot celeron55's link: Commit History ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 17:47 celeron55 (but neither of those work well atm) 17:48 celeron55 (the latter is the former with an added hacky TCP socket usage) 17:48 mauvebic !up mauvebic.strangled.net 17:48 moltenbot Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 DOWN 17:49 hmmmm well 17:49 celeron55 my conclusion is that it's too much work to try to make the current system work with client requesting blocks or tcp sockets being used; better rewrite everything up from a lower level 17:49 celeron55 or tweak what there is in a smaller extent 17:49 hmmmm i'll be working on that 17:50 hmmmm just 17:50 hmmmm right now i have to get some more things polished out 17:50 hmmmm but at the moment, the copy in my repository is good to go 17:51 mauvebic should work 17:51 mauvebic should work 17:51 mauvebic !up mauvebic.strangled.net 17:51 moltenbot Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 UP 17:51 mauvebic there we go 17:51 Zeg9 Nice, strangled 17:52 Zeg9 Freedns ftw 17:52 mauvebic i know the irobny right lol 17:52 mauvebic *irony 17:52 rubenwardy first half of merlin last episode tonight 17:52 mauvebic comin' to see the vipers? youll have to /go bay once youre in :p 17:53 VanessaE celeron55: this definitely is a step backwards: http://paste.dy.fi/HlH 17:53 VanessaE the map doesn't load at all now. Just a few entities that were in the area at the time. 17:54 celeron55 oh, nice 8) 17:54 VanessaE wait a sec 17:54 hmmmm yeah 17:54 hmmmm you skip right over pushing the results you did get to dest 17:54 hmmmm lol 17:54 VanessaE something is confused here. 17:55 VanessaE in 40dac4cd I have: 17:55 VanessaE if(nearest_sent_d == -1) 17:55 VanessaE nearest_sent_d = d; 17:55 VanessaE goto queue_full_break; 17:55 VanessaE but note that the patch mentions nearest_emergefull_d 17:55 hmmmm oh, that would screw things up too 17:55 hmmmm probably not a good idea 17:56 devlab how can i set a seed? 17:56 hmmmm fixed_map_seed 17:56 VanessaE (I didn't catch the full/sent difference when I added the new line) 17:56 Zeg9 mauvebic: Stuck at 97%... 17:56 hmmmm hah.... that's a good way to not get any blocks 17:56 VanessaE shall I put all three lines of the patch in as a replacement for these ^^^ ? 17:57 hmmmm huh? you only add one line 17:57 mauvebic still stuck? 17:57 VanessaE oh fuck 17:57 VanessaE I put that line in the wrong section 17:57 hmmmm ha ha... sort out your stuff 17:57 hmmmm i'm gonna go get a coffee 17:58 VanessaE get me a big mug of the stuff too 17:58 Zeg9 mauvebic: ok now 17:58 VanessaE all right, let's try this again the RIGHT way 17:58 Zeg9 mauvebic: it crashed one time then worked x) 17:58 Zeg9 ... 17:58 Zeg9 No chunk, no world 17:58 mauvebic weird i removed tons of stuff and loading times still suck lol 17:58 Zeg9 mauvebic I'm around -350 y is that ok? 17:58 sfan5 Jordach: what? 17:59 mauvebic '/go bay will lead you to solid ground :p 17:59 mauvebic can one set a spawn point per map as opposed to all maps? 17:59 * VanessaE feels monumentally stupid now :-) 18:00 VanessaE ONE line and I couldn't even patch THAT much in correctly :D 18:00 mauvebic dammit 18:00 Muadtralk everyone has days like that 18:00 VanessaE I suppose so 18:00 mauvebic you set an entity to visual size and it does the same thing to attached players lol 18:00 Muadtralk ever make default_dirt.png a nyancat? 18:01 Muadtralk (not on purpose i mean) 18:01 VanessaE heh 18:01 Jordach https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/ <- could you have a crack at building this please? 18:01 moltenbot Jordach's link: kwolekr/minetest ? GitHub 18:01 VanessaE nyancats with green hair \o/ 18:01 Muadtralk exactly what it looked like 18:01 thexyz Jordach: for windows? 18:02 VanessaE hmmmm: much better. 18:02 VanessaE ok, the server is up with the one-line patch in place. 18:02 Calinou nyancats that use windows! 18:02 Zeg9 mauvebic, just scale the model itself, don't use visual_size with attachments 18:03 mauvebic it was a PITA just to figure out how to remove the background image and rotate the damnt thing lol 18:03 hmmmm ah 18:03 hmmmm so now the real test is if it works in 5-6 hours 18:03 Muadtralk whats this patch do? 18:04 Jordach yes thexyz 18:04 hmmmm it should fix an issue where the server will lock up after a while 18:04 Muadtralk hmmmm 18:04 Muadtralk ive never had that issue 18:04 VanessaE hmmmm: I've teleported into what I *think* is a new area.. took a few seconds to get the map to start loading but now I can see terrain as far as my view_range goes. 18:04 Muadtralk except with a few mods 18:04 hmmmm yes, you haven't, but lots of other people have 18:04 devlab RealBadAngel: what's the link for the technic pack? 18:05 hmmmm vanessa, excellent 18:05 Muadtralk github.com/realbadangel/technic...... 18:05 Muadtralk i think 18:05 Zeg9 Omg 18:05 Zeg9 Wtf mauvebic? 18:06 mauvebic lol crashed 18:06 Zeg9 I shot with a riffle thing 18:06 Zeg9 and it put fire everywhere 18:06 devlab Minetest overrides the fixed_map_seed option? 18:06 mauvebic the black one's supposed to :p 18:06 Zeg9 ... 18:06 mauvebic though i thought i had put admin lock on all guns lol 18:06 Zeg9 Why did I pick the ONLY one supposed to destroy and crash all 18:07 Zeg9 Disable fire ? x) 18:07 mauvebic the attach bug is really driving me nuts though 18:07 mauvebic handy for vipers, shitty for terrain guns 18:08 mauvebic dammmn, i have to rebuild the launchbay lol 18:08 mauvebic no biggie, was only big enough for one bird anyhow lol 18:08 mauvebic though, how do you skin a complex mesh like that? 18:09 Zeg9 Calinou, noticed a bug in stairsplus 18:09 Zeg9 digging quarter wall slabs will drop normal wall slabs 18:09 Zeg9 mauvebic, use blender and uv texturing 18:10 mauvebic ill look it up on YT :-) 18:10 Zeg9 I'll improve this mod now 18:10 Zeg9 Can you send me the texture used on your server? 18:10 mauvebic the white metallish texture? 18:10 Zeg9 The one you used for ufo 18:10 Zeg9 And its license, too :p 18:11 mauvebic hdb stuff is cc by nc sa 18:13 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/1011288459 18:13 Zeg9 Brb. Later all 18:13 Zeg9 Thanks mauvebic, I'll look at that when I'm back 18:14 mauvebic no prob, converting new meshes now too :-) 18:14 * devlab wonders if minetest can override an option in minetest.conf 18:19 devlab i got the same moderror error 18:20 kaeza hi all 18:22 devlab hey RealBadAngel you there? 18:23 RealBadAngel yes 18:23 devlab ModError: Failed to load and run /home/ys/.minetest/mods/minetest/technic/init.lua 18:24 RealBadAngel details please 18:25 VanessaE devlab: pastebin.com the last 50 lines of debug.txt 18:25 VanessaE (50 is overkill but this way we can be certain we don't miss anything) 18:25 devlab a gist will work? 18:25 RealBadAngel but propably you should install this version of stairsplus 18:25 VanessaE gist is fine I guess 18:25 VanessaE any kind of pastebin 18:25 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/stairsplus.zip 18:27 kaeza hey hey V 18:28 kaeza it seems the mese crystals are getting heavy opposition :( 18:28 Muadtralk ooh! 18:28 Muadtralk from who? 18:29 kaeza apparently Menche and 0gb.us 18:29 Muadtralk 0gb.us isnt any good :P 18:29 Muadtralk but menche's opinion matters right? 18:30 kaeza here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=58526#p58526 18:30 moltenbot kaeza's link: Vote for default textures (Page 4) - Texture Packs - Minetest Forums 18:32 Muadtralk yes 18:32 Muadtralk that one people shouldnt have posted to 18:32 Muadtralk :P 18:32 Muadtralk could someone delete that topic? 18:32 sokomine would a detached inventory work for npc/mobs? or has it be connected to a player? 18:32 Muadtralk it kinda serves no purpose 18:33 Calinou Zeg9: ok, fixing it now :P 18:34 rubenwardy waffles, beans, egg and sausages... yum <3 18:34 Calinou fix committed 18:34 * sokomine takes some waffles from rubenwardy 18:34 kaeza hi Calinou, rubenwardy 18:34 Calinou hi 18:35 iqualfragile hi Calinou 18:42 rubenwardy brb, restarting in ubuntu 18:43 markveidemanis all of the minetest.org servers are down because john did /clearobjects on his and its using up all the cpu of the vps machines 18:44 VanessaE mine's up :-) 18:44 VanessaE everyone sign into vanessae.mine.bz:30000 and play - I wanna see how it performs now with hmmmm's fix :-) 18:45 hmmmm the break? 18:45 hmmmm that was celeron's fix really 18:45 hmmmm my fix would've been something a bit different and more involved 18:45 VanessaE well c55's fix then :-) 18:45 hmmmm i'm still not sure if that'd fix the problem or not, we'll see 18:45 markveidemanis but the internet will lagg:) 18:47 john_mt|afk markveidemanis: I said you that the server would be down. You wanted /clearobjects 18:48 markveidemanis just a joke:) 18:48 Zeg9 The internet won't lag 18:48 Zeg9 The CPU can be overloaded though 18:49 VanessaE ok 18:51 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vZ3NqdQ/minetest_game.… 18:51 markveidemanis my modpack 18:57 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vZ3NqdQ/minetest_game.… 19:02 VanessaE mark, try copying the actual link rather than the on-screen text 19:02 markveidemanis huh? 19:02 markveidemanis works fine 19:02 VanessaE weird. 19:03 VanessaE that shouldn't have worked 19:03 markveidemanis hah 19:03 markveidemanis so try the modpack 19:03 markveidemanis its sensible, unlike ALL the other servers 19:05 VanessaE hoo, server's cranking the CPU right now, but it's running! 19:05 Zeg9 I have to go... Bye everyone! 19:05 VanessaE (probably initial media download for certain folks who just signed on) 19:05 kaeza bye zeg 19:05 kaeza VanessaE: I'll enter 19:05 VanessaE kaeza: sure, go for it. 19:06 kaeza BTW I apparently fixed the problem with modem switching to low speed connection 19:06 kaeza \o/ 19:07 VanessaE oh good - what was the problem? 19:07 markveidemanis what mods can i test 19:07 kaeza the connection settings were set to select EDGE if HSPA was not available 19:07 kaeza so i switched to HSPA only 19:08 markveidemanis what mods can i test on my server 19:08 VanessaE markveidemanis: try downloading my game file 19:09 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/vanessa_game.tar.bz2 19:09 VanessaE that has a shitload of mods. 19:09 VanessaE brb 19:09 markveidemanis its too much for my computer 19:09 markveidemanis just 1 mod 19:10 celeron55 oh interesting... i the connection lags like hell and is very slow because of that, and then i went on the underground trampolines and got "ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value" 19:10 celeron55 now it doesn't even update the screen at all and eats all CPU :---D 19:10 Calinou long nose much 19:10 kaeza !up vanessae.mine.bz 19:10 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 UP 19:12 kaeza hello celeron55 19:12 markveidemanis celeron55 19:12 markveidemanis i get a FPS drop whenever i place or dig a block 19:15 kaeza VanessaE: I'm stuck at the black screen 19:15 celeron55 goddamnit 19:15 celeron55 this is completely unplayable 19:15 Calinou markveidemanis: i don't.. 19:15 celeron55 screw this game, whoever dumbass made this! 19:15 * celeron55 continues playing IRC, it never breaks 19:15 markveidemanis what game? 19:15 hmmmm multiplayer notepad 19:16 markveidemanis haha 19:16 FreeFull IRC isn't multiplayer notepad though 19:16 FreeFull You can't edit anything you've written once you've sent it 19:16 Calinou IRC is realtime 4chan 19:16 celeron55 no it isn't, there are no visible images 19:17 celeron55 IRC is IRC, pretty much 19:17 kaeza and it won't respond to mouse/keyboard 19:17 kaeza do I need to also use hmmmm's fix on the client? 19:17 FreeFull IRC is IRC is IRC 19:17 hmmmm it's not my fix! 19:17 Calinou this is incorrect 19:17 Calinou something can't be can't be.. 19:17 Calinou +something 19:17 hmmmm we still don't know if that actually fixed the problem 19:17 hmmmm still in testing 19:23 VanessaE so far, so good, save for c55's aforementioned oddity :-)\ 19:23 VanessaE and kaeza's black screen 19:23 NakedFury hm Hulu shows game trailers now 19:23 kaeza hmm it did pass the black screen 19:23 kaeza and got into game 19:24 kaeza but it did not respond to mouse/keyb input 19:24 VanessaE that's a client bug I'm sure, because the server's operating normally 19:24 kaeza lemme try again 19:25 VanessaE I see you joining 19:25 celeron55 probably the client just completely chokes up with the amount of stuff on the server 19:25 celeron55 8) 19:25 VanessaE lol 19:25 VanessaE can I build a stress test or what? :-) 19:26 celeron55 i think my problem was related to me going inside two trampolines 19:26 VanessaE oh yes, jojoa1997 had the same thing happen - it crashed his client too 19:26 celeron55 combined with having RTT=0.45 19:26 celeron55 (it's just completely unplayable with either one of those) 19:27 VanessaE ah, you do know I stripped the config down to the bare minimum, including removing those congestion settings. Perhaps I should reinstate them? 19:27 kaeza weird 19:27 kaeza it works 19:27 Calinou I can have RTT=0.169 and 30 second lag 19:27 kaeza must be my crappy 3g connection again 19:27 Calinou happened on vanessae's 19:28 celeron55 kaeza: you're lucky your 3G even passes minetest traffic 8) mine doesn't 19:28 kaeza celeron55: sometimes it's almost like singleplayer 19:28 kaeza I almost do things in real time 19:29 kaeza and sometimes this piece of crap lags me for about 5 minutes 19:29 Calinou celeron55: host a server on port 80, ???, PROFIT 19:29 VanessaE wow, the suicide booth crashed my client too 19:29 Calinou not sure if that would work :)= 19:29 Calinou probably because minetest is UDP... it'd be detected 19:29 Calinou but what if the careeer is silly enough? 19:29 FreeFull UDP over TCP 19:30 kaeza aarrgghh lag again 19:30 iqualfragile wtf? udp over tcp?? 19:30 iqualfragile you be kidding me? 19:30 kaeza I'm stuck in a sigle map chunk 19:30 celeron55 iqualfragile: perfectly doable 8) 19:30 jojoa1997 i think that maybe you are bouncing so fast that the server cant send you to the spawn and it crashes? 19:30 kaeza single* 19:30 celeron55 iqualfragile: also TCP over UDP! 19:31 VanessaE wow, there's a big spate of lag 19:31 VanessaE here it comes. 19:31 kaeza the thing is I see jojoa1997 moving 19:31 jojoa1997 i am 19:31 kaeza but the map won't load 19:31 iqualfragile hmm… i cant run any mob-mods because they use too much cpu 19:31 jojoa1997 mine will 19:32 kaeza now VanessaE timed out 19:32 VanessaE yup, sure enough the mapper is starting to lag now 19:33 iqualfragile best is ip over voice 19:33 Calinou what about ip under voice? 19:33 Calinou even better! 19:33 VanessaE ok, map's started loading properly again. 19:34 kaeza still stuck :( 19:34 kaeza gonna reconnect 19:34 VanessaE hmmmm, celeron55 I think we need a lower threshold for those backed up emerge thread calls 19:34 marktraceur VanessaE: For the record, I am currently very conscious that I am ingesting "Stevia in the Raw" as opposed to sugar. Sorry to burst your bubble :( 19:35 VanessaE how's that? 19:35 Calinou marktraceur: drugs much 19:35 Calinou also, drugs are not only bad for health, they are also bad for your money 19:35 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30000 DOWN 19:35 Calinou don't smoke drugs, then buy nvidia gpus (these are unsmokable unlike AMD ones) 19:35 marktraceur Calinou: Naw, have you used drugs? They just take away hearts. 19:35 Calinou minetest apples don't work IRL 19:36 markveidemanis !up 86.172.250.239 19:36 kaeza markveidemanis: please PM the bot 19:36 markveidemanis but... 19:37 markveidemanis he doesn't like me:( 19:38 markveidemanis !h 19:38 markveidemanis WHAY 19:38 marktraceur markveidemanis: There's a reason for that. You were abusing the bots, so we caused them to ignore your hostmask. 19:38 markveidemanis WHY CANT I USE THE BOTS! 19:38 markveidemanis hi Minetest-tan 19:38 Minetest-tan Hey markveidemanis! 19:38 markveidemanis but he said hi to me! 19:39 marktraceur markveidemanis: Try PMing them, then if that doesn't work, LOG IN TO THE SERVER AND CHECK YOUR OWN DAMN LAZY SELF. 19:40 markveidemanis il think of a workaround 19:40 markveidemanis just you see! 19:40 NakedFury do it and the ops are gonna find a workaround too 19:43 markveidemanis_ !up 86.172.250.239 19:43 markveidemanis_ see my ip? 19:43 Calinou inb4 name change 19:43 Calinou heh 19:43 markveidemanis_ no, i just use my phone's 3g 19:44 markveidemanis_ !joke 19:44 marktraceur Been fun 19:45 Calinou why did you ban him for doing that? 19:46 markveidemanis__ dont even try 19:46 markveidemanis__ fuck 19:46 markveidemanis__ thanks 19:46 Calinou markveidemanis__: quiet, not ban 19:46 Calinou but only do that for a few minutes until they understand 19:46 Calinou then unquiet.. 19:47 Calinou he is ignored by bot already, this is probably enough 19:47 marktraceur Calinou: He's been told multiple times not to abuse the bots. AFAIK that means he's lost the +q phase. 19:47 Calinou don't act like a jerk and you won't be banned 19:47 Calinou marktraceur: as a guy who gets banned from a lot of places, i hate banning people 19:48 its whoops 19:48 markveidemanis p 19:48 markveidemanis ...-q? 19:49 markveidemanis perfect timing 19:49 marktraceur Calinou: And now we endure some large number of messages about him trying to get around the +q. 19:49 celeron55 that's well worthy a kick 19:49 Calinou marktraceur: and, does this harm you or anybody else? not really 19:49 markveidemanis he kicked me, then said [you asked for it] 19:49 markveidemanis when i told him he could not 19:50 celeron55 markveidemanis: do you not understand how that flooding of unnecessary stuff looks to others? the bot stuff? 19:50 marktraceur markveidemanis: That was when you said (and I quote) "markveidemanis? Go get him!" 19:50 Calinou if you want to google things, go to google.com, there is no need to use !g 19:50 Calinou :P 19:50 markveidemanis but this is faster 19:50 Exio run your own bot 19:50 Exio in your channel btw 19:50 celeron55 markveidemanis: if everybody used the channel to google things, there would be practically nothing else here 19:51 test123 p 19:51 iqualfragile i have banned markveidemains from using my bot 19:51 celeron55 test123: you are not any more important than anyone else in that regard 19:51 NakedFury we have been telling that but he must have short term memory 19:51 celeron55 test123: maybe even less important 19:51 iqualfragile seems like it 19:51 iqualfragile how did marktraceur get op? 19:52 Calinou stop name spam now 19:52 t546 [19:52] t546: http://www.helloonline.com/ 19:52 thexyz nah, he's annoying 19:52 t546 ok 19:52 moltenbot t546's link: HELLO! Daily News - Celebrity, fashion and style 19:52 celeron55 iqualfragile: by being willing to do it and being worthy of getting to be an op 19:52 iqualfragile hmm… ok 19:53 markveidemanis [19:50] == 87655 Erroneous Nickname --?? 19:54 Calinou you can't begin your name with a number, you can't put illegal characters too 19:55 NakedFury retarded 19:55 celeron55 i don't understand why anyone would do that 19:55 ruskie trolling? 19:55 celeron55 it's just so retarded as anything can be 19:56 artur99 hi 19:56 kaeza celeron55: it has been happening since a few days ago 19:56 artur99 how to make smooth stone? 19:56 VanessaE cook cobble in a furnace 19:56 thexyz kickbans ftw 19:57 artur99 aha 19:57 artur99 thanks 19:57 VanessaE np. 19:57 Calinou now he deserved it 19:57 NakedFury can we have a script that limits name changes by time? 19:57 ruskie just +m the chan and give everyone voice 19:57 ruskie then he can't change it 19:57 ruskie +q might do it as well 19:57 ruskie so might +q all the webchats 19:57 celeron55 NakedFury: not reasonable, one could just quit and rejoin 19:58 ruskie or just +R to require everyone to be registered with nickserv 19:58 Calinou +R is stupid 19:58 Calinou we are not #archlinux 19:58 celeron55 ruskie: you can register infinite nicks anyway 19:58 Calinou and webchat +q is stupid too 19:58 kaeza ruskie: no solution either 19:58 celeron55 it's not like an account would cost you or anything 19:58 thexyz Calinou: why? 19:58 Calinou ruskie: giving voice by default is for gamesurge users 19:58 Calinou thexyz: you don't block abuse by blocking non-abuse 19:58 ruskie celeron55, yeah but then freenode staff would take note as well 19:59 Calinou it's like preventing anyone by default from editing any wikipedia page 19:59 Calinou ruskie: freenode staff *_* 19:59 te3 just ban all his IPs 19:59 NightFighter hi 19:59 ruskie Calinou, never had any bad happen with them... they always responded 19:59 celeron55 NightFighter: what is wrong with you? 19:59 NightFighter nothing 19:59 celeron55 NightFighter: everything 19:59 thexyz doesn't seem so 19:59 NightFighter what the hell 20:00 te3 20:58:15 -!- markveidemanis [5c29fbef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.41.251.239] has joined #minetest 20:00 te3 20:59:20 -!- NightFighter [5c29fbef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.41.251.239] has joined #minetest 20:00 te3 don't pretend 20:00 NightFighter i come to tell you about my mod and i get this? 20:00 Calinou ruskie: lol, you don't know freenode staff then :) 20:00 NightFighter whoops 20:00 thexyz lol, fail 20:00 celeron55 what the fuck man 20:00 ruskie Calinou, why would I need to know them? I just need them to respond when I need them to 20:00 Calinou when you meet one, you feel like a jobless guy vs zlatan ibra-whatever is his name 20:01 kaeza just ban 92.41.251.239 20:01 NightFighter hi 20:01 ruskie still same ip genious 20:02 celeron55 NightFighter: what is the point of this? 20:02 thexyz damn 20:02 kaeza i'm getting tired of this... 20:02 celeron55 NightFighter: can you explain, somehow? 20:02 Calinou just ignore him and he'll stop 20:02 NakedFury he wont stop 20:02 celeron55 you can't ignore somebody who constantly changes nicks 20:03 celeron55 like, using tools 20:03 te3 you can 20:03 NightFighter you can't complain now 20:03 Calinou then +b ip change for some hours 20:03 Calinou range* 20:03 te3 +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/* :) 20:03 Calinou or that 20:03 Calinou if temporary, this is probably ok 20:03 VanessaE do it. 20:03 VanessaE it'll get rid of certain...undesirable individuals :-) 20:04 NightFighter i get a random ip every time i restart my router 20:04 ruskie he seems to only have 2 ips atm 20:04 kaeza te3: wouldn't that ban all webchat users? 20:04 NakedFury just band him for a week 20:04 Calinou NightFighter: you get an IP in a range 20:04 te3 kaeza: yep 20:04 Calinou not ANY IP 20:04 NightFighter i have 2 routers 20:04 Calinou eg. you'll never have my IP unless 1) you use the same ISP as me 2) you live near me 20:04 ruskie 86.172.250.239 and 92.41.251.239 20:04 VanessaE kaeza: yes, but anyone can run an IRC client. 20:04 NightFighter 3g and wifi 20:04 VanessaE then you don't need web chat. 20:04 Calinou NightFighter: then both will be banned 20:04 kaeza better 20:04 kaeza just ban his other one 20:05 kaeza thexyz: +1 20:05 NakedFury make a sacrifice with one of those modes, if it remains the way it is that retard will keep abusing it 20:05 te3 but +q doesn't prevent joins, does it? 20:06 Calinou no 20:06 Calinou prevents nick changes while on channel 20:06 Calinou if he leaves, changes nick then joins he'll be banned 20:06 Calinou (well, someone will do it, it's not automatic) 20:07 te3 just do it now \o.O/ 20:08 VanessaE feature idea: diagonal rails (as in between X/Z). 20:09 ruskie +++ 20:10 kaeza +1 20:10 Calinou even chuck norris wouldn't be able to code that 20:11 VanessaE chuck norris couldn't code his way out of a paper bag :-) 20:11 VanessaE john_minetest: +1000 20:11 thexyz john_minetest: why should each server has different cache directory? 20:12 ruskie and he has a new ip 20:12 FyingDonkey Hi 20:12 kaeza john_minetest: having a single cache helps avoid wating disk space for the same mods 20:12 FyingDonkey who? 20:12 ruskie 92.40.255.90.threembb.co.uk <-- and of course... this kinda gives him away 20:12 celeron55 most of the servers use the same things anyway :P 20:12 FyingDonkey what do you mean, who was on befofe? 20:13 kaeza wasting* 20:13 VanessaE celeron55: re: that suicide booth that actually crashes clients - shall I remove it? Or leave it for future testing? 20:13 kaeza suicide booth? lol 20:13 YourMom lol 20:14 kaeza yup markveidemanis 20:14 Calinou add suicide boots then 20:14 YourMom Yourom 20:14 Calinou nodebox that represents boots 20:14 Calinou walk on it == die 20:14 YourMom haha boots 20:14 kaeza boots != booths 20:14 kaeza learn englisch my friend 20:15 OldCoder Good afternoon 20:15 VanessaE hey OldCoder 20:15 kaeza hello ORC 20:15 kaeza OC* 20:15 YourMom good *evening 20:16 Calinou are you fucking kidding me 20:16 Calinou /whowas markveidemanis got him 20:16 VanessaE Taoki: you here? 20:16 VanessaE Calinou: ban the whole class C. 20:17 ruskie no 20:17 Taoki yeah, hi 20:17 Calinou VanessaE: what do you mean by whole class C? 20:17 VanessaE Calinou: 92.40.255.* but note that 255 isn't a valid IP octet... 20:17 ruskie to bad you can't ban based on the realname 20:18 VanessaE (last I knew anyway) 20:18 Calinou ruskie: he'd change it :P 20:18 ruskie nope 20:18 ruskie webchat auto sets it 20:18 Calinou VanessaE: what does that do if it's not valid? does it work? 20:18 Calinou ruskie: what if he uses a client 20:18 Calinou he used a client 20:18 ruskie FyingDonkey (92.40.255.90.threembb.co.uk/92.40.255.90) [5c28ff5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.40.255.90] 20:18 ruskie a client would then have the "threembb.co.uk" in the host 20:19 VanessaE Calinou: I am not entirely sure actually. 255 being a common netmask/broadcast octet..it might block everyone with 92.40.*.90 :-) 20:19 VanessaE I've never actually tried it on IRC. 20:27 OldCoder simion314, Hello 20:28 simion314 OldCoder: hi 20:29 kaeza hi simion314 20:30 OldCoder VanessaE, I am in another channel where that happened. Op accidentally banned 300 people. 20:30 VanessaE well that answers that :-) 20:31 ruskie *sigh* 20:31 * ruskie is bored 20:35 * jojoa1997 is not 20:40 ruskie I'm watching some tekkit vids and dreaming of the day when minetest will have all these fancy things that will keep me occupied for ages 20:40 jojoa1997 jordan4ibanez here? 20:43 kaeza ruskie: aren't you occupied enough trying to run MT without crashing :D 20:43 ruskie kaeza, nope 20:43 kaeza lol JK 20:44 * ruskie wants quarries and TBM's and pipes that work and such stuff 20:45 Exio ruskie: you can ban using the realname 20:45 Exio /quote help extban 20:46 ruskie ohh fancy 20:46 ruskie learned something new 20:46 OldCoder I am going to purchase fake orange juice. I will be here all day afterward. Anybody may PM me later. This includes people who may have /ignored me. I have promised to work on several worlds. I will do so after I blog. 20:46 * OldCoder waves 20:46 OldCoder o/ 20:46 * OldCoder will bbiab 20:46 OldCoder Oh, and I have bought a new VPS for MT community. Merry Christmas. 20:46 Exio bye :P 20:47 thexyz OldCoder: how many do you have? 20:48 iqualfragile OldCoder: how much spare money do you have? 20:49 OldCoder thexyz: I am losing track. But this is a good one. High end. iqualfragile: None at all. Read my blog but that is off-topic for Minetest. Others: I will be here 12 hours but I must run an errand first. 20:49 VanessaE ruskie: code the water flowing part :-) 20:49 OldCoder One more thing: Zegaton tried a /clearobjects. My U.S. worlds are therefore hosed for a few minutes. The /clearobjects is taking 12GB of RAM! But it should be O.K. later. 20:50 VanessaE I made the nodes, you make 'em carry water :-) 20:52 ruskie and the fancy panels that allow hiding wirring and such without taking a spare block on top 20:53 VanessaE that would require entities 20:53 VanessaE since you can't put two nodes in the same space. 20:53 iqualfragile you can 20:53 iqualfragile but that aside: i might add flowing water 20:53 iqualfragile read: real flowing water 20:54 VanessaE iqualfragile: explain? (two nodes in the same space) 20:54 VanessaE I know nodeboxes can extend past the edges of a node 20:54 VanessaE so what else is there besides that and entities? 20:55 iqualfragile in theory you could do it (i.e. save it into meta or stuff 20:55 VanessaE yeah but how would you display it? 21:13 Calinou next one is suicide pots 21:14 Calinou if your head is inside, you die 21:14 ruskie lol 21:14 Calinou then suicide quotes 21:14 Calinou (appears after you suicide) 21:15 iqualfragile mod-request: /pvp on /pvp off 21:15 iqualfragile per player 21:15 ruskie how about waypoints, death waypoints... and not seeing other player tags beyond a certain distance 21:15 Calinou not sure if possible, but probably 21:16 Calinou ruskie: unlimited_player_transfer_distance = false 21:16 Calinou iirc 21:16 Calinou only sends players in loaded terrain 21:16 Calinou gameboom has that enabled 21:19 iqualfragile but actualy many players like the unlimited_playery_transfer 21:19 iqualfragile where is pilzadam when you need him… 21:19 ruskie yeah I can believe it... I prefer to be hidden from others 21:20 VanessaE you can be sure I won't turn that on on my server :-) 21:20 ruskie hmm I finally might cash out for a minecraft account next month... want to play with all the fancy things 21:21 Muadtralk hmm? 21:21 Muadtralk what about the player transfer distance setting? 21:21 VanessaE ruskie: :( 21:21 ruskie VanessaE, doesn't mean I won't keep playing minetest 21:22 Calinou opt-out for player transfer would be cool 21:22 Calinou good idea :P 21:22 Calinou needs C++ of course 21:22 Calinou (or opt-in) 21:22 Muadtralk ray8888 likes the transfer distance setting 21:22 Muadtralk it keeps him from being found 21:22 NakedFury you better not abandon us ruskie 21:22 VanessaE /teleport ray8888 21:22 ruskie but as I'm waiting for the next itteration of technic I don't really have much to build atm... I have enough resources atm, my base is operational, built 3 towers connected with teleporters, ship, harbour, port authority building, sky island, a long long long railroad, a pyramid 21:22 VanessaE :-) 21:23 Muadtralk he usually runs under a alias 21:23 Muadtralk and doesnt tell people he is on 21:23 NakedFury how do I open a ctcp? 21:23 Calinou you don't 21:23 Calinou your client handles CTCP then replies 21:24 Calinou you can add custom CTCP responses too 21:24 NakedFury every time I open the chat I receive frigg sent a ctcp something 21:24 NakedFury Received a CTCP VERSION from frigg 21:24 Calinou frigg is some kind of bot 21:24 Calinou it's for usage statistics iirc 21:28 ruskie yeah check the whois for it 21:28 ruskie it's a utility bot by freenode 21:29 Calinou /ctcp frigg version 21:30 Calinou problem? 21:31 kaeza has anyone coded those mesecon-in blocks things? 21:33 Calinou what do you mean by mesecons in blocks? 21:33 Calinou if you want invisible mesecons, use wireless 21:34 Calinou "wireless is awesome!" says tablet user #5529822 21:34 ruskie Calinou, he means I guess the same I would want... that mesecons don't take up a node space but are straight in the node that they are placed on 21:35 kaeza "wireless is shit" I say, a 3 year-long user of 3g 21:36 kaeza :P 21:36 VanessaE ruskie: impossible without entities. 21:36 kaeza ruskie: that's exactly my point 21:36 kaeza VanessaE: not at all 21:37 VanessaE well the only other way would be to register metric assloads of nodes with alternate textures to fake iot 21:37 VanessaE it* 21:37 ruskie or making them proper blocks maybe? mine the old one craft togothere a mesecon and that block? 21:37 kaeza something like an insulated mesecons 21:37 VanessaE or *possibly* that modifiable node defs code c55 was working on might do it 21:37 kaeza but a fullblock with the texture you want e.g. cobble 21:37 ruskie I wouldn't mind the same wirring for mesecons that technic uses 21:38 kaeza and of course the groups of the material in question 21:38 simion314 can shadows be turned off? 21:39 kaeza yay! we survived the end of the world and now we have suicide booths in minetest! 21:39 Calinou simion314: shadows of blocks? why would you want to do that :P 21:40 Calinou you could do that with a lot of time, add sunlight_propagates = true and paramtype = "light" to every node definition 21:40 kaeza hmm 21:40 simion314 Calinou: hi, i deleted some mountains but the shadows is stil there 21:40 kaeza Calinou: that could be made if you make a separate mod to depends in all the mods you want without shadow 21:40 kaeza s 21:41 VanessaE simion314: worldedit? 21:41 simion314 VanessaE: yes 21:41 VanessaE simion314: select the air above the are that is shadowed 21:41 moltenbot john_minetest's link: [Mod] Suicide Boots [sboots] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 21:41 VanessaE make sure that you select as much air as you can without selecting the area that is shadowed 21:41 kaeza that also happens sometimes without worldedit 21:41 Calinou sboots? secure boots! 21:41 VanessaE go up high for the top of the select box, say 100 nodes above the terrain 21:41 VanessaE then //dig 21:41 Calinou john_minetest: add license? 21:42 VanessaE it'll zip through the air in a few seconds and force a recalculation of the light for the terrain. 21:42 Calinou minimal game much 21:42 Calinou (or are you using my oldpack? :P) 21:43 Calinou john_minetest: make them a tiny bit smaller? they look really big 21:43 Calinou there is no reason for using minimal, though :P 21:43 simion314 VanessaE: thx 21:43 Calinou just saying 21:43 kaeza john_minetest: you could do something like this: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide_booth 21:43 moltenbot kaeza's link: Suicide booth - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database 21:43 Calinou wikia much 21:43 Calinou kaeza: very easy to do :P 21:43 kaeza Calinou: of cousre 21:44 kaeza course* 21:44 Calinou john_minetest: why not use the minimal tree's texture, but brightened as boot texture.? 21:44 kaeza I'm just throwin' ideas :) 21:44 Calinou would look better 21:46 jojoa1997 how many seconds are in a minetest da? 21:46 jojoa1997 *day 21:46 kaeza jojoa1997: depends 21:46 Calinou a minetest day is 20 minutes 21:46 Calinou 1200 seconds 21:46 kaeza in time_speed setting 21:46 Calinou default time_speed is 72 21:46 jojoa1997 minetest time i have intervals and i want to make it go off twice a day 21:46 Calinou it was 96 once, but not sure if that's the default right now 21:46 Calinou higher is faster 21:46 Calinou 1 = 24 hours, 2 = 12 hours, and so on 21:47 Calinou in minecraft day/night cycle is 20 minutes 21:47 jojoa1997 k 21:47 jojoa1997 what is chance then 21:47 Calinou think of time speed as "86400 / T" where T is time_speed 21:47 jojoa1997 when spawning 21:47 Calinou what do you mean by chance? 21:47 kaeza jojoa1997: if you're into it you can also use a solar panel and a not gate 21:47 kaeza and program your node to use mesecons 21:47 jojoa1997 no i am making a spawner 21:48 jojoa1997 interval = 5.0, 21:48 jojoa1997 chance = 30, 21:48 jojoa1997 what will ahppen 21:48 jojoa1997 *happen 21:48 Muadtralk it obvious 21:49 Muadtralk you will make a paradox 21:49 jojoa1997 ? 21:49 Muadtralk and it will cause a late apocalypse 21:49 jojoa1997 so what will this do spawn wise 21:49 jojoa1997 chance=1 21:49 jojoa1997 interval=1 21:49 jojoa1997 cause the spawner is going off pretty fast 21:50 Calinou chance is inverted 21:50 Calinou chance = 10 means 1/10 chance 21:50 Calinou chance 2 means 1/2 chance 21:51 Calinou and 1 is 100% chance :) 21:51 jojoa1997 so what does thje interval say there is a chance of one being spawned every day 21:52 Calinou depends on time_speed 21:52 Calinou no idea if you can read server's time_speed with lua... maybe 21:53 Calinou 95% of servers keep time speed at default 21:53 Calinou so, put interval 1200 21:53 Calinou and chance 1 for 100% chance, 2 for 50%... 21:55 jojoa1997 i dont know how to do that 21:55 jojoa1997 XD 21:55 kaeza john_minetest: that is common sense 21:56 jojoa1997 i am a beginner modder and have only seen others. i dont know how to make the die 21:56 jojoa1997 or the code at least 21:58 kaeza I mean, if you see a mod that's been 6 months around without updates, you can safely assume it's "deadE 21:59 jojoa1997 anyone know how to make an entity die 21:59 kaeza jojoa1997: ent:set_hp(0) 21:59 jojoa1997 it is my own 21:59 jojoa1997 k 21:59 kaeza or ent:remove() 22:00 jojoa1997 how would i make it kill some if there is too much in the area 22:02 kaeza list= minetest.env:get_nodes_in_radius(); count = #list; 22:02 kaeza don't remember the params of the function 22:02 jojoa1997 what i mean is how would i detect a certain amount of entitiues in an area 22:02 kaeza list= minetest.env:get_nodes_in_radius(pos, raius); count = #list; 22:02 kaeza jojoa1997: ^ 22:02 kaeza that is how 22:03 jojoa1997 sorry i have to scroll down to see added msgs 22:03 aldobr hi all 22:03 kaeza err 22:03 kaeza list= minetest.env:get_objects_in_radius(pos, raius); count = #list; 22:03 kaeza jojoa1997: ^ 22:03 aldobr john_minetest: its a suicide booth not boots :P 22:03 kaeza sorry, type 22:04 kaeza hi aldobr 22:04 kaeza typo* 22:04 jojoa1997 would raius be radius 22:04 kaeza yup 22:04 kaeza another typo :P 22:04 aldobr im studying opengl 22:05 jojoa1997 and to set radius i would type radius = 20 22:05 aldobr i feel like doing C++ work on mintest but at the same time i am afraid 22:05 jojoa1997 and the # in #list be the limit 22:05 jojoa1997 of entities spawned 22:05 kaeza yes 22:06 kaeza after that `count' will have the number of entities found 22:06 jojoa1997 count = 10list; 22:06 jojoa1997 how is that 22:06 kaeza eh? 22:06 kaeza nonono 22:06 jojoa1997 to limit the number spawned to 10 22:06 kaeza the '#' is literal 22:07 kaeza then after that stmt you do 22:07 kaeza if (count > 10) then ... 22:07 jojoa1997 so i would type # > 10 22:07 jojoa1997 oh 22:08 aldobr know what ? i am thinking about doing a telephone booth 22:08 aldobr nah 22:08 aldobr you cant enter a node 22:09 * aldobr out of ideas 22:09 kaeza aldobr: yes you can 22:09 jojoa1997 how do i make it kill only one entity 22:09 jojoa1997 or stop spawning 22:09 kaeza jojoa1997: gimme a sec 22:09 jojoa1997 kaeza:ok 22:10 aldobr kaeza what about a telephone that allows you to type a number 22:10 aldobr the telephone dialed rings and someone responds 22:10 aldobr on minetest :P 22:11 aldobr a text box is used to type messages 22:11 jojoa1997 anyone how do i set radius 22:11 jojoa1997 list= minetest.env:get_objects_in_radius(pos, radius); count = #list; 22:11 jojoa1997 radius = 20 22:11 aldobr and the person attached to the dialed phone see that message on the server log 22:11 kaeza jojoa1997: http://pastebin.com/bLpq2n0Y 22:11 jojoa1997 is that right 22:11 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Lua] local list = minetest.env:get_objects_in_radius(pos, radius); local count = # - Pastebin.com 22:11 kaeza that may be a possible implementation 22:11 kaeza I didn't test it though 22:11 kaeza so adapt as you need 22:11 jojoa1997 so how do i set radius to 20 22:12 kaeza aldobr: nice idea 22:12 kaeza jojoa1997: specify `20' instead of `radius' 22:12 jojoa1997 local list = minetest.env:get_objects_in_radius(pos, 20); 22:12 kaeza yup 22:12 aldobr how to make the phone ring ? 22:12 aldobr abm ? 22:13 kaeza aldobr: maybe 22:13 aldobr abm activated -> check central system to see if this phone has a message, if true then play sound until someone punches the phone 22:13 Minetest-tan GIT: xyzz (Ilya Zhuravlev) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix keycodes (#325) 145e301269 2012-12-22T14:11:32-08:00 22:13 kaeza aldobr: better with on_globalstep 22:13 jojoa1997 how would i make it only kill peaceful_npc:npc 22:14 jojoa1997 list[i]:remove(peaceful_npc:npc); 22:14 kaeza jojoa1997: check list[i]:get_name() ~= "peaceful_npc:npc" 22:14 jojoa1997 where do i add that anywhere? 22:15 kaeza in the for loop 22:15 jojoa1997 loop? sorry 22:15 kaeza hmm 22:16 jojoa1997 what is the loop 22:17 berome kaeza: are you ok ? 22:17 kaeza hey 22:17 kaeza what's up berome? fine and you? 22:17 OldCoder Back 22:17 jojoa1997 how is this kaeza http://pastebin.com/WutETJYx 22:17 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: local list = minetest.env:get_objects_in_radius(pos, 20); local count = #list; - Pastebin.com 22:17 kaeza jojoa1997: http://pastebin.com/i32umbLj 22:17 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Lua] aaa - Pastebin.com 22:18 jojoa1997 oh thanks 22:18 kaeza wb OldCoder 22:19 jojoa1997 also can i add this anywhere in the code or just at the beginning 22:19 kaeza depends on what you are doing 22:19 Minetest-tan GIT: dannydark (DannyDark) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fixed two typos in wireshark lua file. d880a5ec0c 2012-12-22T14:17:34-08:00 22:19 kaeza can you pastebin your entire code? 22:19 jojoa1997 yep 22:22 jojoa1997 check out line 389 and also i want to make it only happen around the npc spawner line 351 http://pastebin.com/U6kLiv15 22:22 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Lua] n - Pastebin.com 22:22 kaeza jojoa1997: checking... 22:22 jojoa1997 anyone know how to make them drop items when they die 22:23 aldobr jojoa199, parse the whole list, if entity is a peacefull npc, add it to a second list 22:23 aldobr now count that second list and remove the excess 22:23 jojoa1997 ? 22:23 aldobr wait 22:23 berome jojoa1997: drop items=something like in bones mod 22:24 OldCoder ruskie, PM please 22:25 kaeza jojoa1997: I'm clueless on this one 22:25 kaeza sorry 22:25 aldobr kaeza how to add something to the tail of an array ? 22:26 kaeza aldobr: array[#array + 1] = value 22:26 aldobr ah 22:26 jojoa1997 if "peaceful_npc:npc" = hp(0) then drop items = default:mese_crystal 22:26 aldobr ok 22:26 jojoa1997 how is this 22:26 kaeza aldobr: ve VERY sure no elements on the array are nil 22:27 kaeza be* 22:27 kaeza or that can fck around the '#' operator 22:27 aldobr the list is initiated as { } 22:28 aldobr npclist = { } 22:28 thexyz VanessaE: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/257 cannot reproduce 22:28 moltenbot thexyz's link: Crash on unexpected focus change ? Issue #257 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 22:30 aldobr jojoa1997 : look at that http://pastebin.com/4Vfw2RPG 22:30 moltenbot aldobr's link: [Lua] removenpcs - Pastebin.com 22:30 aldobr im not sure if npclist[i]:remove() will trully remove the object from the game, but thats a start 22:30 aldobr my two cents : allways comment your code 22:31 jojoa1997 i keep ongetting lua: init.lua:403: 'then' expected near '=' 22:31 jojoa1997 here is the line if "peaceful_npc:npc" = hp(0) then drop items = default:mese_crystal end 22:32 aldobr hm 22:32 aldobr are you sure you want to call the global function named hp ? 22:32 aldobr another problem 22:32 aldobr to compare for equality you use == 22:32 aldobr not = 22:32 kaeza (20:24:54) aldobr: the list is initiated as { } 22:32 kaeza so that's no problem 22:33 aldobr jojoa1997 that line dont make much sense 22:33 jojoa1997 i made it up myself X) 22:34 aldobr i need to see the code 22:34 aldobr line 403 is inside a comment block in that pastebin 22:34 aldobr so the lua interpreter should not complain about anything 22:34 aldobr makes no sense 22:35 jojoa1997 http://pastebin.com/aUudymrj 22:35 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Lua] p - Pastebin.com 22:37 jojoa1997 lua: init.lua:415: '=' expected near 'items' 22:38 jojoa1997 if "peaceful_npc:npc" == hp(0) then drop = default:mese_crystal end 22:38 jojoa1997 lua: init.lua:416: function arguments expected near 'end' 22:40 OldCoder NEWS: Reverting Zegaton to Friday 22:41 jojoa1997 no i get this error lua: init.lua:478: function arguments expected near 'minetest' 22:41 jojoa1997 *now 22:42 jojoa1997 this is line 478 minetest.register_craft({ 22:44 OldCoder NEWS: Zegaton restarted. Reverted to Friday. Other worlds please tell me if they are all right now. 22:46 JesseH Any good servers I could join to see if I like minetest? :D 22:47 jojoa1997 vanessae.mine.bz port = 30000 you need to ask for interact on server 22:48 JesseH Who to I ask :P 22:48 jojoa1997 in the forum topic http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4057 22:48 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: VanessaE's Server [0.4.4 git] (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums 22:49 JesseH Oh, I'm new btw ^^ 22:49 JesseH completley 22:49 jojoa1997 you have to have a forum account though 22:49 jojoa1997 me too only 3 weeks now i think 22:50 JesseH I heard scripting was handled with Lua, so maybe I can make a mod or something. ^^ 22:51 kaeza JesseH: you are new here? 22:51 JesseH I am. 22:51 kaeza welcome 22:51 JesseH :D 22:52 kaeza yes, it's pretty easy to create mods 22:52 kaeza if you have basic programming knowledge 22:52 Exio lua is awesome 22:52 kaeza we can help you with that 22:52 kaeza o hai Exio 22:52 Exio hai btw :P 22:53 JesseH I use Lua everday, have for a long time :P 22:53 JesseH It's what brought me here really. 22:53 Exio the bad thing isn't the code 22:53 JesseH Also seeing that the minecraft-like was written in c++, made me even more excited. 22:53 kaeza yup 22:54 kaeza exactly 22:54 JesseH Going to look at the api docs in a bit. Checking out this server. :P 22:54 jin_xi cool, seeing most modders learned lua to mod 22:54 jin_xi as in, have not used lua before 22:55 kaeza jin_xi: I use lua for every project that needs a scripting language 22:55 JesseH Lua is really easy, until you get to more object oriented code. It's hard for people with c++ experience at first because c lacks classes. 22:55 kaeza it's both lightweight 22:55 kaeza and easy to learn 22:55 jin_xi c++ and java classes are a sad form of oop 22:56 kaeza but still java is better than c++ 22:56 JesseH :/ 22:56 JesseH That's a little too religous of a debate I believe. 22:56 Exio java better? since when? :P 22:56 kaeza speaking of code readability, not performance of course 22:56 jin_xi i dont like java, feels more like politics than programming at times 22:56 Exio ah 22:56 JesseH syntax is a lot the same. 22:57 Exio in performance ASM is better 22:57 JesseH Exio, ^^ 22:57 JesseH LuaJIT almost matches up speeds with Java, so I'm feeling pretty good about Lua. 22:59 Zephyrus1497 does anyone know any servers that have the nether mod installed? 22:59 JesseH Zephyrus1497, I think I see you on this server. 23:09 iqualfragile it would be great if the nether wouldnt be a seperate world but be generatet at -3000 23:13 OldCoder Explain nether mod 23:13 OldCoder Should I use it? 23:13 Zephyrus1497 the nether mod is kind of like the nether in minecraft 23:14 Zephyrus1497 wats ur server oldcooler? 23:15 Zephyrus1497 Wat server JesseH? 23:17 Zephyrus1497 Does anybody have a server that i can play on that comes with the interact priv by default? 23:17 aldobr why java is a sad form of oop ? 23:17 OldCoder Zephyrus1497, Yes 23:17 OldCoder Zephyrus1497, come to OpenMine 23:18 OldCoder Server: minetest.org Port: 30007 23:18 Zephyrus1497 OldCoder ok thanks 23:18 OldCoder Try to be nice about dumping lava on all the cities 23:18 OldCoder There is plenty lava already :-) 23:18 Zephyrus1497 i wont im not like that 23:18 OldCoder All right 23:18 OldCoder But you can have interact elsewhere too 23:18 OldCoder Try OpenMine first 23:19 Zephyrus1497 How do i open OpenMine? 23:23 berome you found it now ? 23:23 Zephyrus1497 wat? 23:23 berome open OpenMine 23:23 Zephyrus1497 i cant find OpenMine anywhere 23:23 iqualfragile http://openmine.org/ 23:23 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: OpenMine.Org 23:24 Zephyrus1497 oh thanks 23:24 iqualfragile took me like 3 secs 23:24 Zephyrus1497 ok so how do i download it? 23:25 iqualfragile looks alot like a minetest-clone 23:25 aldobr whats the point ? 23:25 iqualfragile let me repeat that: minetest-clone 23:26 aldobr ? 23:26 Zephyrus1497 i cant find the download can someone help? 23:27 Zephyrus1497 plz? 23:29 aldobr what about making minecraft in lua 23:29 aldobr pure lua 23:29 aldobr without C++ 23:29 aldobr :P 23:29 iqualfragile aldobr: gtfo 23:29 Zephyrus1497 oh so how can i open it/ 23:29 Zephyrus1497 ? 23:30 Zephyrus1497 is there a minecraft server for minetest? 23:30 iqualfragile Zephyrus1497: stop asking stupid questinos 23:30 aldobr whats wrong with delphi ? 23:30 aldobr (keep in mind that i have a compiler writting background) 23:30 berome john_minetest: craps !! logo is better ... 23:30 iqualfragile its slow and windows-only 23:30 Zephyrus1497 im not i just want to kno : ( 23:30 aldobr slow ? 23:31 OldCoder aldobr, compared to some programs 23:31 OldCoder aldobr, It is Java 23:31 iqualfragile jup, there are allmost no optimisations aplied to the code 23:31 aldobr delphi ?!?! java ?!?! 23:31 OldCoder Oh! 23:31 OldCoder My mistake! 23:31 aldobr delphi has nothing to do with java 23:31 OldCoder You are correct 23:31 OldCoder I thought this was a reference to MC 23:31 aldobr besides being written by the same lead programmer 23:31 OldCoder My apologies 23:31 OldCoder Heh 23:31 aldobr delphi -> java -> C# 23:32 aldobr all the same guy wrote the language definition 23:32 aldobr same porpuse etc 23:32 aldobr different implementations 23:32 aldobr delphi compiles to machine language 23:32 aldobr java and C# compiles to virtual machines 23:32 iqualfragile * unoptimized machine language 23:32 jordan4ibanez I'm very excited, I'm getting so close to getting the train to work finally, I just need to figure out how to get the front cart to stop completely at a dead end and it will be perfect :D 23:32 aldobr delphi is quite optimized 23:33 aldobr being from borland 23:33 aldobr actually borland C++ and delphi share a lot of things 23:33 iqualfragile und there is a way to compile java to optimized machine language 23:33 aldobr GCJ 23:33 aldobr i was not thinking in GCJ when i said this 23:33 aldobr use luajit 23:34 aldobr and write the game in pure lua 23:34 aldobr with lua opengl 23:34 aldobr would be slower than current C++ code 23:34 aldobr but would be a lot more tweakable 23:34 JesseH luaJIT matches speeds with java almost, so speed wouldn't be that much of an issue with something small scale. 23:35 JesseH There isn;t enough doc on the bindings for opengl though. :( 23:35 JesseH That being said, I write games in Lua. I used the Love framework. 23:35 JesseH It's 2d though. 23:36 aldobr well, you know more than me that lua can call arbitrary libraries 23:36 aldobr .so/.dll 23:36 OldCoder c u 23:36 OldCoder p 23:36 berome bye 23:36 OldCoder o/ 23:37 aldobr i wrote a pascal compiler for a virtual machine 23:37 aldobr actually i wrote it twice 23:37 aldobr pascal grammar is quite nice and clean 23:37 aldobr it fits a single page 23:37 JesseH Never fiddled with it :P 23:38 aldobr niklaus wirth preferred weekend activity is to create new languages based on pascal semantics 23:38 aldobr pascal -> modula -> modula 2 -> modula 3 -> oberon -> something i dont remmember 23:38 kaeza aldobr, JesseH: I load a native lib from my IRC mod 23:38 aldobr yes 23:39 aldobr lua can load gl.so 23:39 aldobr and use it 23:39 JesseH I didn't read that much up, to understand what you are talking about kaeza 23:39 aldobr JesseH just make a wrapper around gl.so/gl.dll and use it from lua 23:39 aldobr same for openal 23:40 aldobr and write the whole game in lua 23:40 JesseH Some of the wrappers should already be made, but I never fiddled with them either. 23:40 JesseH love uses openal I believe. 23:40 JesseH Plus, you'de need to understand c/++ 23:40 aldobr i understand C++ 23:41 aldobr but 23:41 aldobr depends on who wrote the code 23:41 JesseH http://luaforge.net/projects/luaopenal/ 23:41 moltenbot JesseH's link: OpenAL binding 23:41 kaeza JesseH: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3905 23:41 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Mod] IRC Chat (W.I.P.) [0.1.2] [irc] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 23:41 aldobr and his state of mind when writting :P 23:42 kaeza JesseH: /join #minetest-irc-testing if you want to see a demo 23:42 JesseH kaeza, How are you handelling messages being sent? 23:42 JesseH I've written a couple irc clients for my games before. 23:42 JesseH Shouldn't be that much harder ;p 23:43 kaeza I currently use LuaIRC/luasocket 23:43 kaeza luasocket is a native lib 23:43 JesseH I used zmq for a project a little while back. 23:43 kaeza LuaIRC provides an IRC framework on top of that 23:43 JesseH luasocket though fits the bill pretty well. 23:43 JesseH Oh yeah, I imagine. Never used it personally. 23:44 JesseH If you need any help, feel free to contact me :D 23:44 JesseH I like the idea of integrating irc chat 23:47 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 23:47 JesseH Hello. 23:48 Zephyrus1497 Lov ur mods : ) 23:49 kaeza hello PilzAdam 23:51 iqualfragile uh, hi PilzAdam, where have you been? 23:51 PilzAdam Skyrim 23:51 JesseH ^^ 23:51 iqualfragile is there any way to place a block midair? 23:51 PilzAdam ingame or mod? 23:51 iqualfragile mod-request: something to turn pvp on and of an an per-player-basis 23:51 iqualfragile ingame 23:52 PilzAdam I dont think so 23:53 Zephyrus1497 Does anyone wanna play on 30007 with me? 23:53 OldCoder Zephyrus1497, If not try again in a couple of hours 23:53 OldCoder Remember that it is Christmas Season 23:53 OldCoder People are shopping and so on 23:53 Zephyrus1497 ok thanks 23:54 JesseH Zephyrus1497, I'll play, what do I do 23:54 Zephyrus1497 When ur at the menu where u type the address in for the servers 23:55 Zephyrus1497 type minetest.org 23:55 Zephyrus1497 the port is 30007 23:55 iqualfragile PilzAdam: what do you thing of the pvp-idea? 23:56 PilzAdam /set enable_pvp false/true 23:56 PilzAdam does this answer your question? 23:57 jojoa1997 i need help this is the error lua: init.lua:126: unexpected symbol near '=' 23:57 jojoa1997 and the code http://pastebin.com/2eBLLJHxhttp://pastebin.com/2eBLLJHx 23:57 kaeza Unknown Paste ID! 23:58 aldobr2 unknown past id 23:58 jojoa1997 one sec 23:58 kaeza you double paster the URL here 23:58 kaeza pasted* 23:58 jojoa1997 http://pastebin.com/2DhZ9GWB 23:58 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Lua] npc - Pastebin.com 23:58 JesseH jojoa1997, forgot to mention, make sure you put them into a table correctly, then loop over that table when you need to check if a certain one needs to do something. 23:58 jojoa1997 ??? 23:59 JesseH http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial 23:59 moltenbot JesseH's link: lua-users wiki: Tables Tutorial 23:59 aldobr2 jojoa1997 you cannot set a value to a function 23:59 kaeza jojoa1997: you cannot "set" the value of a "function call" 23:59 aldobr2 everytime you put () after a symbol name, thats a function 23:59 jojoa1997 which line 23:59 aldobr2 126 23:59 NekoGloop time to code some freakin lua 23:59 jojoa1997 oh 23:59 kaeza 126 as you said 23:59 NekoGloop what's the latest windows build 23:59 kaeza hi Neko :3