Time Nick Message 00:00 iqualfragile yeah 00:00 kaeza LAD: use "/msg moltenbot !time" 00:00 LAD lol 00:00 LAD i figerd it out 00:00 LAD i did !joke 00:00 LAD look 00:01 LAD "Every time someone uses the word "intense", LAD always replies "you know what else is intense?" followed by a roundhouse kick to the face." 00:01 kaeza chuck norris jokes FTW! 00:01 LAD XD 00:01 LAD yup 00:01 LAD he keeps giving thm to me 00:01 iqualfragile but please this channel is about minetest 00:01 iqualfragile not about bots 00:02 kaeza (if I say for the bad he may /roundhouse_kick me) :) 00:02 LAD lol 00:02 LAD im useing him in a PM 00:02 iqualfragile !t bots 00:02 moltenbot Bots are there to help you and the channel, dont missuse them to spamm. You can use /msg moltenbot 00:02 kaeza spam* 00:03 KikaRz !date Portugal 00:03 moltenbot Do 20. Dez 00:03:18 WET 2012 00:03 KikaRz cool. 00:03 kaeza it's wet in purtugal 00:03 VanessaE haha 00:03 kaeza portugal* 00:08 KikaRz esiy 00:09 KikaRz *wait, let me see one thing 00:09 KikaRz i need to adjust my 3 watches 00:09 KikaRz !date GMT 00:09 moltenbot Do 20. Dez 00:09:20 GMT 2012 00:09 KikaRz ok 00:10 kaeza !tw kaeza 00:10 Minetest-tan เวลากับใจคนจิงๆ (@kaeza) 00:10 kaeza ? 00:10 kaeza oh right 00:10 kaeza !tw lkaezadl3 00:10 Minetest-tan @RobDenBleyker When will there be a new C&H animated short? It's been a while since the last one (@lkaezadl3) 00:10 kaeza lol 00:10 kaeza that was looooooong ago 00:11 * VanessaE looks at Minetest-tan 00:12 VanessaE don't you use THAT kind of language in this channel - most of us can't frickin' read it :D 00:12 kaeza language? 00:12 kaeza ?? 00:13 VanessaE kaeza: on my screen I see what looks sorta like ancient Phoenician. 00:13 kaeza yes 00:13 kaeza mistyped my username 00:13 kaeza i'm `lkaezadl3' on twitter 00:13 kaeza not `kaeza' 00:14 VanessaE kaeza: it's a joke, whenever someone says something in an either gibberish- or completely misunderstood language or dialect, Abe or I would say "Don't you use THAT kind of language at me!" as if to say "Don't you curse at me!" 00:14 kaeza oh 00:14 VanessaE :) 00:14 kaeza sorry 00:14 kaeza :P 00:15 VanessaE It's funny. Laugh. :-) 00:15 kaeza but @kaeza may very well be saying "You Son of A..." 00:15 kaeza :P 00:15 * kaeza laughs 00:15 kaeza lol 00:16 Exio it is me or the 'link' to the minetest_game in github in the Downloads section links to the minetest repository? 00:16 kaeza ... 00:16 VanessaE Exio: the game content: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game 00:16 moltenbot VanessaE's link: celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 00:16 VanessaE the engine: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest 00:16 moltenbot VanessaE's link: celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 00:17 * VanessaE wields a steel-toed boot ready to kick the bot for describing links we already all know :-) 00:17 * kaeza agrees 00:17 Exio VanessaE: i know, i already have it downloaded, i just ask about the link in the Downloads section 00:18 VanessaE oh ok. Just for reference then. 00:18 kaeza It seems someone is going to port MT to Android 00:19 KikaRz kaeza, that twitter is from alkaeza maybe. 00:19 VanessaE cool 00:19 VanessaE should be doable 00:19 VanessaE what's Android run on, ARM or something right? 00:19 kaeza KikaRz: al qaeza* 00:19 kaeza lol 00:19 KikaRz Hey 00:19 kaeza :) 00:19 KikaRz VanessaE 00:20 VanessaE hi KikaRz :-) 00:20 KikaRz Tomorrow's doodle: 200nd anniversary of Grimm's stories. 00:21 NakedFury december 21 doodle will probably be some ancient mayans looking to the sky and watching a meteor fall and in the process destroying the planet or our atmosphere 00:22 NakedFury or just an image of earth blowing up 00:22 KikaRz yea 00:22 KikaRz xd 00:22 KikaRz or not 00:22 NakedFury I will most probably will be alive and saying happy birthday to my mother 00:24 KikaRz http://br.livra.com/pick/na-sua-opiniao-qual-sera-o-doodle-no-google-no-dia-21-12-2012/342843643/ (In your opinion, which may be the doodle of day 21/12/12) 00:24 moltenbot KikaRz's link: Na sua opiniao, qual sera o Doodle no Google no dia 21/12/2012? | Picks em Livra Brasil 00:24 kaeza k 00:24 KikaRz 1 day left!!! 00:25 KikaRz :( 00:25 KikaRz options in english: 00:25 KikaRz A mayans calendar; 00:25 KikaRz Something related to the poster of movie "2012" 00:26 KikaRz Something happy and cool, like... uncle, we still here. 00:26 kaeza In the 22nd, I'll run across the street yelling "happy new world"! :P 00:26 KikaRz Something inspirational and suggestive 00:26 KikaRz Something emblematic 00:26 KikaRz ... Everything ok and in peace. 00:26 KikaRz We are waiting something happens... then, we will decide. 00:27 NakedFury should be known that every year after december 21 2012 we shall celebrate a global holiday, the New World Day 00:27 kaeza for myself, it'll be another day here at the channel 00:29 KikaRz yea. 00:31 Uberi sad how the new world will be just as polluted, corrupted, and sick as our old one :) 00:33 kaeza Uberi: on that topic, I believe something big will change 00:34 kaeza something more or less like the flood 00:34 Uberi can only wait and see! 00:35 KikaRz DIA 21 DE DEZEMBRO TÁ CHEGANDO SE FOR O FIM DO MUNDO COMO VC ACHA QUE VAI ACABAR? - Day 21 December is coming, if its the end of the world, how do you think its going to finish? 00:35 KikaRz A) A BIIIIIIIIIIG FLOOD? 00:35 KikaRz B) AN ATOMICAL BOMB 00:35 Uberi kaeza: nah the biblical flood took over 40 days before Mt. Ararat was covered 00:35 ecube wat 00:35 KikaRz C) It's going to transform in Pizza 00:36 ecube C!!! I Pick C!!!! 00:36 Uberi IT'S GOING TO RAIN SPOONS FROM THE SKY 00:36 kaeza I like C 00:36 ecube omfg! I want to die with pizza 00:36 KikaRz I pick D. 00:36 marktraceur D) +q 00:36 Uberi that is a valid option as well 00:36 marktraceur KikaRz: Please don't spread religious FUD here, especially don't flood the channel with it. Thanks. 00:37 marktraceur I'll unmute you shortly. 00:37 kaeza hello Aqua 00:37 Aqua Hello 00:38 KikaRz D) Raining Food and money. (and a bomb to marktraceur's head 00:38 kaeza lol 00:38 kaeza sowwy 00:40 Uberi well that would increase inflation overnight 00:40 Uberi all you would have is currency devaluation 00:40 Uberi it's the end of the financial world! 00:41 KikaRz Yea. And Portugal will be corrupted. (We are getting without money D; ) 00:43 Aqua Hello 00:44 KikaRz hi 00:46 jojoa1997 hi 00:51 LandMineOG . 00:51 LandMineOG hi marktraceur :) 00:51 kaeza hi LM 00:52 LandMineOG hi kaeza 00:52 marktraceur LandMineOG: Hi! I see you've dubbed yourself an Original Gangster. Very clever. 00:53 jordan4ibanez Are these too many demands? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=58152#p58152 00:53 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Christmas Minetest Wishlist (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 00:53 kaeza jordan4ibanez: maybe 00:54 LandMineOG yeah marktraceur thats me 00:54 LandMineOG a clever guy 00:54 * marktraceur is impressed 00:56 jordan4ibanez You know i'm glad that that guy death dealer finally left, he was a fucking asshole lol 00:56 LandMineOG so mark you gave up yesterday eh? 00:57 marktraceur LandMineOG: Yup. If you want to destroy a community that wants to create something awesome for your enjoyment, I've realized I can't stop you. It's up to you to have a conscience. 01:01 marktraceur I happen to think that you can be a great member of this community. I'm excited to see what you can do when you spend time on positive things rather than trying to antagonize people. 01:02 hmmmm ah 01:02 hmmmm the reason why I don't like you, oldcoder, is because you're always super serious 01:02 hmmmm like wtf 01:02 hmmmm it's just a game 01:02 hmmmm you're like the kind of kid who would show up to school with a briefcase or something 01:03 ecube the game has potential and for the first stages of it, it's serious 01:04 jordan4ibanez Yay, someone shares my dislike of oldcoder 01:04 marktraceur What on earth? Can't we talk about something other than who dislikes whom? 01:05 jordan4ibanez Nope! 01:06 marktraceur This is supposed to be a place to chat cordially about a piece of software. Why must you bring in personal gripes? 01:07 marktraceur "I don't like older people" "I don't like younger people" "That one's too serious" "That one's a girl" 01:07 marktraceur Quit it. 01:07 jordan4ibanez No, no, no, you see, old coder is the one that mainly starts trouble with a lot of people, same with landmine, i mean, i try to tell people exactly what you just told me, but there are just too many people that argue with them 01:09 jordan4ibanez All of this, right here, has nothing to do with what i do with minetest, i could be the only person who plays minetest, and i would still enjoy it 01:09 jordan4ibanez I don't understand what is wrong with the rest of you people 01:09 ecube what are you trying to say? 01:10 jordan4ibanez Everyone fights over this game, i hate old coder because of who he is, i hate landmine because of who he/she/it is, why do you people quarrel over software? 01:11 STHGOM ? 01:11 STHGOM i came in late 01:11 ecube The software created a community 01:11 ecube Within a community you will always have some sort of conflict 01:11 Uberi jordan4ibanez: fair enough, you are free to hate whomever you please 01:11 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: I don't quarrel over the software. If someone is causing trouble *in this channel*, I will deal with it to the best of my ability without jeopardizing my sanity. 01:12 jordan4ibanez and then we had another great developer, who got into an argument over a game, and because he compared his reality (veganism) with the game (his vegan pack) and then landmine started to toy with him, he left 01:12 LandMineOG lol jordan4ibanez your funny 01:12 kaeza hello Dogzilla131 01:13 STHGOM Hello! 01:13 ecube herro 01:13 Dogzilla131 hi kaeza, STHGOM, ecube 01:13 jordan4ibanez The way you people compare reality to online interactions makes no sense 01:13 NakedFury right back to you hating a person online 01:13 LandMineOG says the dude who is online all day 01:14 STHGOM so who was the person i met on #powder? 01:14 ecube jordan4ibanez: Hate is real both online and in reality 01:14 kaeza Dogzilla131: have you updated your moreflags lately? 01:14 jordan4ibanez I hate oldcoder because he takes himself way to seriously, not because of how he plays this game, and on top of that i put him on ignore 01:15 jordan4ibanez Not only this, but when i un-ignored i saw that he was taunting me to get me to put me to put him back to voiced on my client, why is he even an op? 01:15 STHGOM hmm...? 01:16 STHGOM thats odd... 01:16 jordan4ibanez also to that: i may spend a shit ton of my time online, but i do not let it affect who i am mentally 01:17 Uberi jordan4ibanez: are you sure that was the actual OldCoder? there have been cases of impersonation you know 01:17 Uberi I'm just saying, I don't think that sounds like OldCoder 01:17 jordan4ibanez I am 100% sure that that was oldcoder, he was +O at the time 01:17 STHGOM but you should still respect him if you are going to be on this channel 01:17 STHGOM ask him why he taunted you... 01:18 jordan4ibanez I would respect him, but when he pms me talking about how landmine is a ghost, and how i should step down from my high horse, why should i un-ignore him? I don't understand why this guy is an op 01:19 kaeza1 hey Taoki 01:19 STHGOM high horse? 01:19 STHGOM hi 01:19 Uberi jordan4ibanez: wait what? a ghost? am I missing something here? 01:19 LandMineOG no 01:19 STHGOM ask him about it then 01:20 jordan4ibanez I don't have any idea what he was talking about either, but oldcoder should not be an op 01:20 jordan4ibanez Fuck no, I'm all set with talking to him in general 01:20 STHGOM what does that mean? 01:21 jordan4ibanez I don't know you ask him 01:21 jordan4ibanez Anyways, i have made some weird discoveries, entities can be stuck to eachother when they are created 01:21 STHGOM did he say " Fuck no, I'm all set with talking to him in general"? 01:21 NakedFury entities are like when you drop items? 01:22 Uberi jordan4ibanez: yeah I saw the issue, apparently it's a client thing 01:22 jordan4ibanez Yes, and yes 01:22 STHGOM ok... 01:22 KikaRz good night 01:22 LandMineOG later 01:22 KikaRz Portugal: 1 day left. 01:22 STHGOM bye 01:22 jordan4ibanez It happens server-side too, sometimes my npcs will stick together and will print the same position 01:22 Uberi (I say that because they can happen to some clients but not others, on the same server) 01:22 KikaRz For the end of the world 01:22 LandMineOG bye 01:22 KikaRz :) 01:22 LandMineOG :) 01:22 KikaRz (world will transform in pizza 01:22 STHGOM :) 01:22 Uberi jordan4ibanez: oh, maybe they are two separate issues... 01:23 NakedFury the end of the world happens on mayan time zone so sync your watches 01:23 KikaRz mayan time zone = ? 01:23 KikaRz !date mayan 01:23 moltenbot Do 20. Dez 01:23:44 mayan 2012 01:23 KikaRz o_o' 01:23 jordan4ibanez Yes they are, it's strange 01:23 OldCoder Hi 01:23 OldCoder Who rang? 01:23 KikaRz bot has the mayan timezone? 01:23 ecube hi 01:23 KikaRz '-' 01:24 NakedFury mayan time zone = place where they lived = mexico 01:24 * OldCoder sighs 01:24 KikaRz !date mexico 01:24 moltenbot Do 20. Dez 01:24:15 mexico 2012 01:24 KikaRz !date Mexico 01:24 moltenbot Do 20. Dez 01:24:21 Mexico 2012 01:24 ecube i love it 01:24 KikaRz ... not working 01:24 OldCoder I suppose it would be redundant to comment to jordan4ibanez again 01:24 KikaRz bye. 01:24 Uberi OldCoder: probably, considering he has likely ignored already 01:24 OldCoder He has indeed 01:25 OldCoder I am kind of tired of this stuff 01:25 LandMineOG its 7:24 pm here in mexico 01:25 OldCoder This exchange above... 01:25 LandMineOG mayas lived in yucatan 01:25 OldCoder has come right after some stuff with hmmm... 01:25 LandMineOG its like +2 hours 01:25 OldCoder I am not going to pull a Cornernote... 01:25 LandMineOG so it would be 9:25 there 01:25 OldCoder But I may have had enough 01:25 OldCoder LandMineOG, Hi 01:25 OldCoder hmmmm, rather 01:25 LandMineOG hi oldcoder 01:26 OldCoder Why the Hell would I put myself out when people are going to react like that? 01:26 OldCoder I'm going to ask RBA if he wishes to fork and set up Minebest 01:26 Uberi minebest? 01:26 STHGOM OldCoder... 01:26 OldCoder STHGOM, yes? 01:27 OldCoder Look, I know any group is going to have a few bad apples 01:27 OldCoder But frankly I think LandMineOG here is miles above jordan4ibanez and hmmmm 01:27 OldCoder I really don't need that kind of crap 01:27 STHGOM did you hear everything whats-his-name said about you 01:28 jordan4ibanez Oldcoder, i have un-ignored you for 5 seconds to tell you this 01:28 LandMineOG lol 01:28 jordan4ibanez lmfao 01:28 STHGOM wow 01:28 ecube wut 01:28 LandMineOG he must not be feeling good 01:28 LandMineOG he usually doesnt take anything to serious 01:29 jordan4ibanez Well he's been causing trouble since he got here,so thank goodness he left 01:30 NakedFury he still has Backupcoder account 01:30 LandMineOG true....dont know if he uses it though 01:30 LandMineOG yesterday i sent him a pm and he never responded 01:30 NakedFury is there gonna be any mayan event going on in mexico LandMine> 01:30 NakedFury ? 01:31 LandMineOG well not where i live 01:31 LandMineOG maybe yucatan and the south parts of mexico 01:31 NakedFury so business as usual? 01:31 LandMineOG im in mexico city 01:31 LandMineOG thats in the middle 01:31 LandMineOG yeah 01:31 LandMineOG anyhow ill be back in 1-2 hours 01:31 LandMineOG dont miss me to much peeps 01:31 ecube you fooled me into un-iptables-ing you by saying i dropped all the mexican packets 01:32 LandMineOG ecube i didnt lie 01:32 LandMineOG all mexico city ips start with 189 01:32 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Blogs | Quassel IRC 01:32 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Blogs | Quassel IRC 01:32 STHGOM jordan : Tell him to fuck himself. I am not returning to be told something for "five seconds" 01:32 ecube That might be true, but... oh well. 01:33 LandMineOG well jordan left so lol 01:33 STHGOM :P 01:33 STHGOM ohh well 01:33 ecube i love how that always happens 01:33 LandMineOG brb peeps 01:36 NakedFury this minecraft mod needs to come and join minetest: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1540451-145-tabbychat-v143-chat-tabs-and-more-for-multiplayer-custom-chat-filters-chat-logging-highlighting/ 01:36 moltenbot NakedFury's link: [1.4.5] TabbyChat v1.4.3 - Chat Tabs (and more) for Multiplayer - custom chat filters, chat logging, highlighting... - Minecraft Forum 01:38 leo_rockway I think one channel is enough. If I want to chat, I'd be on IRC, not playing. 01:38 leo_rockway and there's an IRC mod already. 01:38 NakedFury its was mainly so we get a better chat ingame 01:39 ecube and so that you can passively monitor a server without having the game open 01:40 NakedFury that would be nice but that mod is for ingame chat tabs 01:40 NakedFury just like any other mmo game has Local, Global, Guild, Party, etc 01:40 NakedFury you could do the same in minecraft 01:42 Uberi the passive chat is a great feature to have 01:44 Sparky sorry about that 01:44 Sparky AAGH 01:45 kaeza hey leo_rockway 01:46 leo_rockway greetings and salutations 01:47 kaeza no need to be to formal :P 01:47 kaeza so* 01:47 leo_rockway sup, hommie? 01:47 kaeza ... 01:47 kaeza the first one was better :P 01:48 leo_rockway hehe 01:48 leo_rockway I haven't touched MT in over a week. 01:49 kaeza yes :) I didn't see you around here lately 01:49 kaeza been busy with exams? 01:49 leo_rockway my laptop is still sick. I'm using my work laptop (with Windows :S) and I can't install anything on it. 01:49 kaeza oh too bad 01:50 leo_rockway the cooler doesn't start on my laptop. Hopefully it is _just_ the cooler and not a sensor. 01:50 leo_rockway if it's just the cooler, I'll replace it eventually. 01:51 Uberi man laptop coolers are a pain to take out 01:51 leo_rockway I already did 01:51 RealBadAngel another reason why laptops sucks ;) 01:51 leo_rockway I cleaned it out, but it's still not starting. 01:51 leo_rockway RealBadAngel: they do. Particularly Dells. 01:51 kaeza hi RealBadAngel 01:51 RealBadAngel hi all 01:51 Uberi I spent over 2 hours prying off the sides, and then I noticed there was a flap on the side that pops the top right off :/ 01:51 leo_rockway my sister has the exact same model, so I'm going to take her cooler and check if it works on my laptop. 01:51 Uberi hey RealBadAngel 01:51 leo_rockway then I'll try to find a replacement cooler 01:51 VanessaE leo_rockway: the cooler doesn't work under separate power? 01:52 leo_rockway VanessaE: I have no way to try it out... 01:52 RealBadAngel hi VanessaE 01:52 VanessaE they're usually only 5v or 12v DC 01:52 kaeza wb V 01:52 VanessaE RealBadAngel, oldcoder needs to speak with you 01:52 VanessaE thanks :-) 01:52 leo_rockway how do I connect it to power, VanessaE? 01:52 VanessaE leo_rockway: benchtop power supply, gator clips, and straight pins. 01:52 RealBadAngel VanessaE, i saw something in logs, but he seems to be offline 01:53 leo_rockway VanessaE: I have none of those o.o. The fastest way for me would be to try my cooler on my sister's laptop and her cooler on my laptop. 01:53 VanessaE well I guess if that's all you got... 01:54 leo_rockway my sister is worried I'll break her laptop >.< 01:54 * kaeza is glad to have a desktop PC 01:54 VanessaE well it's a legit worry - even the best, most experienced techs make mistakes. 01:54 leo_rockway if it's just the cooler, I found a place that says they sell replacements for about 65 USD 01:54 VanessaE $65 for a laptop cooler? that seems a bit high. 01:55 leo_rockway VanessaE: my country has heavily restricted importing stuff... 01:55 VanessaE jeez 01:55 leo_rockway I may be able to find it a bit cheaper, but not much cheaper. 01:55 leo_rockway VanessaE: we can't buy USDs either... 01:56 VanessaE what good is a USD? they're practically worthless anyway :D 01:56 leo_rockway VanessaE: they are more stable than Argentine pesos. 01:56 kaeza Euro FTW! 01:56 VanessaE I guess you mean USB? 01:56 leo_rockway but we can't buy Euros either. 01:56 VanessaE oh ok, you really meand USD then :) 01:56 VanessaE meant* 01:56 leo_rockway yup 01:56 leo_rockway we can't buy any foreign currency 01:57 leo_rockway and we have an inflation that's close to 25% 01:57 leo_rockway so pesos' value depreciate fast 01:57 leo_rockway depreciates* 02:06 STHGOM halloo 02:07 * leo_rockway highfives STHGOM 02:07 STHGOM ... 02:07 leo_rockway I scared STHGOM away o.o 02:34 Aqua Hi 02:35 STHGOM hi 02:35 NakedFury http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=58152#p58152 02:35 moltenbot NakedFury's link: Christmas Minetest Wishlist (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 02:36 NakedFury jordan4ibanez has a huge christmas wish list 02:47 kaeza1 zzz 02:47 kaeza1 It's been pretty quiet around here :( 02:49 NakedFury what else do you play besides minetest> 02:49 NakedFury ? 02:54 NakedFury or are you working on any mt related project? 02:54 kaeza1 NakedFury: http://cosmorpg.sf.net 02:54 moltenbot kaeza1's link: Legend of Cosmo 02:55 kaeza1 but it's not much of a game right now 02:56 NakedFury with rpg maker? 02:56 Aqua im recodring minetest files with david 02:56 kaeza1 NakedFury: in plain C 02:57 kaeza1 a custom engine 02:57 NakedFury ohh full game by yourself 02:57 NakedFury you already knew c or learning as you go? 02:57 kaeza1 more or less 02:57 NakedFury what do you mean recording minetest files Aqua? 02:58 kaeza1 I have plenty of knowledge about c 02:59 kaeza1 but you always learn new things by doing your own games :) 03:00 Aqua i making a new series minetest files 03:01 Aqua kaeza's idea 03:01 NakedFury but files? making videos about each mod? 03:01 kaeza1 lol the minetest files was your idea 03:01 kaeza1 NakedFury: a parody of The X Files 03:02 NakedFury ok get it now 03:02 NakedFury does it work like a story lets play? 03:03 Aqua sort of like chimneyswifts minecfraft files 03:04 Aqua i tired redcrabs but neuro was talking bout privacy and everything 03:04 Aqua and being really annoying 03:07 Aqua Can you recommend a server> 03:07 NakedFury what would you need? 03:08 NakedFury a quick peaceful list are the oldcoders minetest.org servers. 17 of them with varying game modes 03:09 Aqua i need one where u get build by default 03:10 NakedFury your name in game? 03:11 NakedFury I can give you interact in the minetest.org 30000 03:11 Aqua ok 03:13 VanessaE don't forget mine 03:13 Aqua sDid i join? 03:13 VanessaE :-) 03:13 NakedFury yes you did 03:13 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz 03:13 NakedFury vanessa and oldcoder both have great servers 03:14 NakedFury with tons of mods 03:14 Aqua i need one that lets me record 03:14 kaeza1 OldCoder you here? 03:14 NakedFury No problem at Oldcoders 03:15 kaeza1 hmm seems like he's still off 03:16 VanessaE Aqua: record? 03:16 Aqua Yeh 03:16 Aqua minetest files 03:16 Aqua with davidpace 03:16 VanessaE I'm not sure I understand 03:16 kaeza aaargh 03:17 NakedFury david with capital D and P as in DavidPace? 03:17 Aqua I tried recrab but neuro didnt let me 03:17 VanessaE all lowercase actually is how he writes it 03:17 VanessaE Aqua: record what? I don't understand 03:17 Aqua so I'm trying to find another one which let's me record 03:17 Aqua record a video 03:18 VanessaE toh 03:18 Aqua to put on youtube 03:18 VanessaE oh 03:18 kaeza Aqua: have you tried those I suggested 03:18 kaeza ? 03:18 VanessaE well a server owner can sure request that you don't record from their servers, but there's really nothing to stop you from doing so. On mine, I don't care if you record, as long as you turn off the chat (F2, unless it is directly germane to the purpose of the recording) 03:20 Aqua i know thats what i did but neuro still didnt let me 03:25 * VanessaE waits patiently for PilzAdam to show up 03:25 kizeren Hi all. 03:26 VanessaE hi kizeren 03:27 kizeren HI VanessaE 03:28 kizeren Did they rremove passing through walls in 04.4. with fly on? 03:28 NakedFury I think so 03:28 NakedFury cant do it any more 03:28 kizeren I wondered why I was yet again stuck in a wall :P 03:28 VanessaE no theydidn't 03:28 VanessaE you need noclip priv 03:28 VanessaE then hit 'h' to enable it. 03:29 kizeren Ahhh yes thanks Vanessae 03:29 VanessaE that was a recently added option 03:30 Exio i'm having a weird problem, http://cadoth.net/~exio4/mt/renderthing.ogv 03:30 VanessaE turn off shaders in the Settings menu 03:31 ecube VanessaE: The noclip option... does that prevent players from passing through protected walls by mining and lagging? 03:31 VanessaE ecube: not afaik 03:31 VanessaE you pass through everything if noclip is enabled. 03:31 Exio oh, thanks 03:31 ecube thanks 03:32 Exio i should ask why it happens :P 03:34 VanessaE it happens on DirectX systems mostly 03:34 VanessaE (Windows, when not using OpenGL mode) 03:34 Exio i'm using linux 03:34 VanessaE odd 03:34 Exio well, nice, i'm very lucky 03:34 Exio DirectX problem using OpenGL :P 03:34 VanessaE you could try editing minetest.conf and change it to '2' 03:34 VanessaE ot 03:35 VanessaE it's probably set for '1' 03:36 Exio i don't have any config atm 03:36 Exio well, i will try setting it to 2 03:36 VanessaE you do. 03:36 Exio just the defaults :P 03:36 VanessaE it's created when the game first starts, afaik :-) 03:39 Exio i think i got the problem 03:39 Exio GLSL not available. 03:39 Exio when i start mt ^ 03:40 Aqua naked fury im finally on your server 03:40 NakedFury OldCoders 03:40 VanessaE Exio: = no shaders :( 03:41 NakedFury you are free to video and act the series 03:41 VanessaE Exio: open source video drivers? 03:41 kaeza Exio: what gfx card do you have? 03:41 Exio VanessaE: netbook 03:41 VanessaE 'nuff said 03:41 Exio 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 03:41 VanessaE you probably have no shaders on that 03:41 leo_rockway intel atom 03:41 leo_rockway so probably no shaders indeed 03:41 VanessaE you probably don't even have much of 3d accel on that either 03:41 Exio yeah, intel atom, just a 'normal' netbook :P 03:41 kaeza 945 doesn't have shaders IIRC 03:41 VanessaE laptop/netbook video ain't made for gaming :-) 03:42 leo_rockway Exio: a few years ago you wouldn't even had been able to start MT... o.o 03:42 VanessaE leo_rockway: a few years ago MT didn't exist :D 03:42 Exio i know, i'm going to buy a real computer soon :P 03:42 leo_rockway the drivers used to be terrible, but they are getting love 03:42 Aqua What griefing is allowed> 03:42 Aqua ? 03:42 leo_rockway VanessaE: well... also that, haha. 03:42 kaeza lol how old is MT? 03:42 VanessaE kaeza: about two years I thinj 03:42 leo_rockway less than 2 years? 03:42 VanessaE think* 03:42 Aqua NakedFury: Griefing is allowed? 03:43 leo_rockway "It has been in development and use since October 2010. " 03:43 leo_rockway so a bit over 2 years 03:43 NakedFury you can build protector blocks. but im not sure OldCoders rule on that 03:43 Exio well, 30~50 FPS in minetest 03:43 NakedFury and people need interact to play 03:43 leo_rockway "Minetest is technically simple, stable and portable. It is lightweight enough to run on fairly old hardware. It currently runs playably on a laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. Though, as for the CPU, dualcore is recommended. " 03:44 Aqua wicked sounds 03:44 kizeren Aqua that is my favorite server. 03:44 Exio is possible to have a '3d view' of the player? like f5 in MC 03:44 Aqua Ummm is there bones? 03:45 kizeren type /mods 03:45 kizeren will tell you all installed mods but I think no 03:45 leo_rockway Exio: not yet. 03:45 kaeza I downloaded an old Win version the other day 03:45 Exio oh, thanks 03:45 leo_rockway Exio: but it has been requested. 03:47 Exio nice 03:47 Exio MT is getting good 03:48 Aqua NakedFury: can i have home privs? 03:48 NakedFury you cant do it? I thought they are in defaults 03:48 Aqua it says missing privvs: home 03:48 NakedFury a moment 03:49 Aqua this is a really nice server 03:49 kizeren Yea my Shaun account can't do it either NakedFury 03:49 NakedFury what is the name? home? 03:49 Aqua Aqua 03:49 Aqua theres a teexture bug 03:49 NakedFury ok try now Aqua 03:50 Aqua ok it worked thx 03:50 NakedFury you too Shaun 03:50 Exio well, i'm getting some "lags", very rare, and i get things like it 03:50 Exio 03:33:06: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player singleplayer tried to access [node under=36,-94,-33 above=36,-93,-33] from too far: d=177.127, max_d=140. ignoring. 03:51 kizeren Yes I was able to set home 03:52 VanessaE I see that from time to time also Exio 03:52 VanessaE on my server 03:52 Exio hm, any ideas about that? 03:52 VanessaE and when that happens, it's almost as though the server has "forgotten" where the player is because from that player's perspective, they can't dig/build 03:53 VanessaE no idea why 03:53 Exio yeah, is like a 'freecam' 04:00 Exio woo, floating gravel :P 04:01 VanessaE haha 04:01 Exio i never saw floating gravel, floating dirt yes, but never gravel :P 04:01 kizeren Minetest anything is possible. 04:01 ecube I did 04:02 ecube i see it in caves 04:02 ecube it's technically not floating, though, it's more like... suspended in the ceiling 04:02 ecube BUT, I did see a 2-big piece of floating gravel once 04:02 ecube high in the sky 04:03 Exio well, i saw it in a cave very deep (-540~) 04:04 Exio now, going to sleep, bye! 04:18 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/KgFwS.jpg 04:22 kizeren VanessaE can I get interact on my account on your server? 04:22 VanessaE got a forum account? 04:23 NakedFury any way to clear chat? 04:23 kizeren this name doesn't my the game account does. 04:23 kizeren Shaun 04:23 VanessaE kizeren: that's fine, as long as you request it on the forum thread for the server. 04:23 kizeren Okay will do in a moment. 04:24 kizeren Posted. 04:28 VanessaE granted :-_) 04:28 VanessaE :-) 04:28 kizeren I saw thanks!. Going to learn about some mesecons fun. 04:29 VanessaE have fun :-) 04:30 kizeren Wow....server is loaded upwith all kinds of prettys in the inventory :) 04:31 VanessaE yepperz 04:39 kaeza what happened V? 04:39 kizeren ya crashed it :P 04:40 kaeza VanessaE: you there? 04:40 VanessaE eh? 04:40 kaeza server shut down 04:41 VanessaE 23:39:55: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaE 04:41 VanessaE rror: error: ...s/minetest-mod-mesecons/mesecons_movestones/init.lua:141: attemp 04:41 VanessaE t to call global 'addPosRule' (a nil value) 04:41 VanessaE it restarts automatically. 04:41 kaeza ohh 04:41 kaeza sorry 04:41 kaeza that was me 04:41 kizeren Yep kaeza crashed it :P 04:41 kaeza I was playing with movestones 04:42 kizeren Its not loading for me. 04:42 kizeren kaeza if you want to think on that. 04:42 kaeza I'm at black screen 04:42 VanessaE hold, I'll report it. 04:42 kaeza sorry V 04:42 kizeren I am off tomorrow and will have alot more time to mess with it. 04:43 kaeza k 04:43 VanessaE what precisely did you do? 04:43 VanessaE your exact series of actions if you can tell me? 04:43 kaeza I just put a switch and two mesecons 04:44 kaeza acting as a movestone rail 04:44 kaeza when I placed the movestone it crashed 04:44 VanessaE ok 04:44 VanessaE was the switch already on? 04:45 kaeza yes 04:45 VanessaE reported. 04:45 kaeza I won't play again with movestones in the meantime 04:46 kaeza you should consider removing them for now just in ase 04:46 kaeza case* 04:48 kaeza VanessaE: I have left the construction that caused the crash in case you want to see it later 04:48 VanessaE ok 04:48 kaeza I've put a cobble in place of the movestone 04:48 kaeza it's near my "KAEZA #YOLO" banner 04:50 VanessaE ok 04:50 VanessaE I'll take a look later 04:50 VanessaE in the meantime, it's still up, so feel free to play normally...just don't use movestones ;-) 04:52 kaeza k 04:52 kaeza note taken 04:52 kaeza and sowwy 05:00 VanessaE it's okay 05:10 kaeza k people, gtg. See you later kizeren, VanessaE, ecube 05:10 kaeza good night 05:45 ecube movestones do crashing again? 06:15 VanessaE night all. 07:23 Zeg9 Hello there 07:26 celeron55 paroneayea: oh god what a backlog... you're lucky i was bored enough to scroll that far; anyway - why do you ask (about js bombers)? 07:56 Minetest-tan GIT: dannydark (DannyDark) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fixed u64 ambiguous symbol error 40dac4cde4 2012-12-19T23:53:25-08:00 09:45 yxkvast Hi, i have a problem with starting up minetest. i dont have any glx support. so i got the idea of downloading (7.9~git20100924-0ubuntu2 (libegl1-mesa).). but my computer say that that i need to install packages from unreliable sources to do that, and the download is canceled. 09:45 yxkvast what to do now? 09:54 * Calinou switched to firefox 09:55 Calinou looks like it is actually faster than chromium for loading pages ;-; 11:15 KittenGNU Hi. 11:16 KikaRz Hi there! 11:16 KikaRz why my XChat reseted? 11:16 KikaRz to the predefinitions 11:17 KikaRz the type of letter is again with terminal or idk. 11:17 KikaRz and the nick name to enter, was as my windows nick 11:21 Calinou running xchat as root == bad 11:21 Calinou :> 11:23 KikaRz Hi people 11:23 KikaRz what you going to do on this fabulous day? First, ops. what you going to do ? (VanessaE and marktraceur) 11:28 iqualfragile Calinou: who does that? 11:29 iqualfragile who runs anything as root? 11:29 KikaRz I do :) 11:32 Calinou iqualfragile: red eclipse server admins 11:32 iqualfragile dear god… 11:33 iqualfragile thats so unsafe 11:33 iqualfragile well… i guess when using apparmor or stuff its actualy not that bad to run stuff as root 11:33 Calinou apparmor is for fedora users 11:41 markveidemanis[m OldCoder 12:23 RagnarLaud hi 12:23 RagnarLaud Merry Christmas to all! 12:23 RagnarLaud !tw shibby2142 12:24 Minetest-tan @IIJERiiCHOII that pen is lonely (@shibby2142) 12:24 RagnarLaud hi moltenbot 12:24 RagnarLaud hi minetest-tan 12:24 Minetest-tan Hey RagnarLaud! 12:26 RagnarLaud !g similar:bugs3.com 12:26 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://www.webstatsdomain.com/domains/bugs3.com/ 12:28 RagnarLaud hi Zeg9 12:28 Zeg9 Hi 12:29 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/YU5be.jpg 12:29 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/CsTSx.jpg 12:29 jordan4ibanez I have a series of super modded survival i'm making later :D 12:29 RagnarLaud minecraft huh... :/ 12:30 jordan4ibanez I'll come back to minetest when it's improved don't worry 12:31 RagnarLaud oh...i thought you made a 99.9% minetest-like mod for minetest :( 12:31 Zeg9 minetest-like mod for minetest ? 12:31 RagnarLaud !g byethost 12:32 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://byethost.com/ 12:32 Zeg9 Did you mean minecraft-like ? 12:32 RagnarLaud yeah 12:32 RagnarLaud yeah yeah sorry... :D 12:37 RagnarLaud yo Calinou 12:37 RagnarLaud hows it hanging_ 12:37 RagnarLaud ? 12:37 Calinou hi 12:38 RagnarLaud motherf***king answer my motherf***king question you motherf***ker! 12:38 RagnarLaud :D 12:38 Zeg9 leet time 12:38 RagnarLaud too much? 12:57 Zeg9 Yep 12:57 Zeg9 I was only to notice it 12:58 davidpace Hi All 12:58 Zeg9 Hi 12:58 RagnarLaud hi davidpace 12:58 RagnarLaud hi john_minetest 12:59 RagnarLaud john_minetest help me 12:59 RagnarLaud Zeg9 is afk i think 12:59 RagnarLaud wait no, he isnt 13:11 * Zeg9 will be back in 2 hours 13:14 iqualfragile Calinou: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/73 13:14 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Fix default_grass_side, improve dirt by iqualfragile ? Pull Request #73 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub 13:17 iqualfragile well, read it ^^ 13:17 iqualfragile it just fixes two textures 13:22 iqualfragile ah, in minetest you can connect two textures 13:22 iqualfragile that just lays one texture under the other one and uses the resulting texture 13:22 iqualfragile grass allready joins those two textures 13:23 iqualfragile but the "grass_side" texture had no transparency so the dirt-texture was not used 13:23 iqualfragile so i removed that 13:23 iqualfragile the transparency is now filled with default_dirt 13:27 jordan4ibanez i wish we could give nodes a model 13:31 paroneayea celeron55: ah, a friend and I played a lot of minebombers when I was a kid. 13:41 artur99 there is a type of wall: an cube, witch looks like chess 13:41 artur99 how to make it 13:41 artur99 ? 13:41 RagnarLaud i need help in html! 13:42 RagnarLaud who ever will help a 13 year old on christmas! 13:42 RagnarLaud srsly? 13:42 RagnarLaud no one? 13:46 jordan4ibanez http://www.knowitall.org/ 13:46 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Welcome to Knowitall.org 13:48 jordan4ibanez There is where you will learn html! 13:52 VanessaE morning all. 14:01 Octupus Hi 14:04 VanessaE morning Octupus 14:04 Octupus :) 14:12 jordan4ibanez the way trains need to work is that there needs to be 2 bogies with a train mounted on top, then the yaw of the train is calculated between the bogies, and since minetest has no way of doing that i cannot create trains 14:14 Octupus hello jojoa1997 14:16 Octupus hi artur99 14:16 artur99 hi 14:18 Octupus hi jojoa1997_ 14:18 jojoa1997_ hi 14:20 Octupus jojoa1997_: i saw your requests it is being takin under consideration 14:20 jojoa1997_ ? 14:22 RagnarLaud hi jojoa1997 14:22 RagnarLaud remember me? 14:22 RagnarLaud the "trojan" 14:22 RagnarLaud xD 14:22 RagnarLaud did you ACTUALLY belive that crap? 14:22 RagnarLaud LOL 14:23 Octupus jojoa1997_: boats 14:23 RagnarLaud hvg wasnt High Voltage Guard, it was HVGaming 14:23 RagnarLaud LOL 14:23 RagnarLaud hi octupus 14:24 Octupus hi RagnarLaud 14:24 RagnarLaud http://hvgaming.bugs3.com 14:24 moltenbot RagnarLaud's link: .:HVGaming:. 14:24 RagnarLaud my website 14:24 RagnarLaud YAY 14:25 RagnarLaud not ready yet tho 14:29 jojoa1997 yay there is boats 14:29 * VanessaE pokes jojoa1997 14:30 Octupus jojoa1997: will be 14:31 jojoa1997 could someone make a survival server using the realtest mod 14:32 jojoa1997 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2671 14:32 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Game] The RealTest Game [realtest] (Page 1) - Minetest Games - Minetest Forums 14:34 Calinou i need help in html! 14:34 Calinou html is easy like hell 14:34 Octupus Calinou,css is a bit confusing 14:35 Calinou +1 14:35 Calinou still easy 14:45 jordan4ibanez I have good news, i have discovered an easier way to calculate train bogie paths on rails 14:46 jordan4ibanez it does: leftbackwards, left-right 15:35 thexyz 19:34 15:35 RealBadAngel 16:34 15:35 devlab my pc's time also says 17:35 as 05:35PM 15:35 celeron55 jin_xi probably went to take his night's sleep sleep up there 15:35 celeron55 because .ch 15:36 KikaRz 15:36 15:52 artur99 how to make papyrus seeds? 15:52 VanessaE in the default game, papyrus doesn't use seeds. 15:52 Calinou you can't, you have to collect papyrus first 15:52 Calinou and it doesn't grow too :/ 15:53 artur99 no? 15:53 artur99 why? 15:54 VanessaE it never has. 15:54 VanessaE well certainly not in recent memory 15:54 VanessaE want it to grow, you probably need nature_pack 15:57 VanessaE hey Jordach 15:57 Jordach hello VanessaE 15:58 artur99 should i rename the nature pack mod? 15:58 VanessaE why would you? 15:59 VanessaE it should just be nature_pack if it isn't already 15:59 artur99 aha 15:59 artur99 the name is : neko259-nature-0d564c52a457 16:00 VanessaE well 16:00 VanessaE it's a modpack 16:00 VanessaE so you don't really need to rename it 16:00 VanessaE it'll work fine as-is, but the proper name is nature_pack 16:00 neko259 It's because you download tip revision of mercurial. 16:00 VanessaE john_minetest: modify the timber mod to do that if it doesn't already 16:01 Zeg9 Hi there 16:01 neko259 I'm not making download archives because it's easier to create a tag. 16:01 VanessaE hi zeg9 16:01 artur99 and where to put it? 16:01 artur99 in mods? 16:01 VanessaE neko259: I even dispensed with that and just always expect users to use latest git of my mods :-) 16:01 VanessaE artur99: yes 16:01 VanessaE just copy the folder to /mods/minetest 16:02 neko259 VanessaE: I often commit bad changes, so I don't expect users to check the latest revision. And it's too difficult to check version. 16:02 VanessaE true 16:03 VanessaE of course I just never ever EVER makde bad commits. Impossible. ;-) 16:03 artur99 mod erorr 16:03 artur99 failed to load and run 16:03 VanessaE artur99: use a pastebin service, give us the text from the black terminal window. 16:03 VanessaE it'll have two lines that say something like "start of lua error" and "end of.." 16:05 Calinou john_minetest: make a pull request with these changes 16:05 Calinou and it'll probably be merged :P 16:06 VanessaE Calinou: half wall slabs plz? :-) 16:07 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAbMxZeaIes 16:07 moltenbot harrison's link: AV2AK - YouTube 16:08 artur99 18:02:35: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\artur99.admin-PC\Desktop\minetest-0.4.4-dev-566f7f6-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\neko259-nature-0d564c52a457\init.lua 16:09 VanessaE artur99: we need more 16:09 artur99 ok 16:09 artur99 Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (Build 7600) Using renderer: OpenGL 3.2.9262 ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470: ATI Technologies Inc. OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. GLSL version: 1.5 Resizing window (800 600) Loaded texture: C:/Users/artur99.admin-PC/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4-dev-566f7f6-win 32/textures/base/pack/menubg.png Loaded texture: C:/Users/artur99.admin-PC/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4-dev-566 16:10 VanessaE no 16:10 VanessaE use a pastebin service 16:10 VanessaE give us the entire screenful, there will be other "ERROR" lines 16:10 artur99 i cant write more here 16:10 artur99 in irc 16:11 VanessaE maybe stuff mentioning dependency problems, or something referencing 'nil value' or whjatever 16:11 VanessaE no, not here. 16:11 artur99 Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (Build 7600) Using renderer: OpenGL 3.2.9262 ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470: ATI Technologies Inc. OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. GLSL version: 1.5 Resizing window (800 600) Loaded texture: C:/Users/artur99.admin-PC/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4-dev-566f7f6-win 32/textures/base/pack/menubg.png 16:11 VanessaE you must use a pastebin, such as pastebin.com 16:11 artur99 Loaded texture: C:/Users/artur99.admin-PC/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4-dev-566f7f6-win 32/textures/base/pack/menulogo.png 18:09:44: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "neko259-nature-0d564c52a457": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed. 18:09:44: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\artur99.admin-PC\ Desktop\minetest-0.4.4-dev-566f7f6-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\neko259-nature-0d5 16:11 VanessaE NO! 16:11 artur99 18:09:44: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\artur99.admin-P C\Desktop\minetest-0.4.4-dev-566f7f6-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\neko259-nature-0 d564c52a457\init.lua 16:11 artur99 all 16:11 harrison harrison is the best. true or false? discuss. 16:12 VanessaE I don't even know who harrison is :-) 16:12 Jordach This sentance is neither true or false. 16:12 VanessaE Jordach: so it's a definite maybe? ;-) 16:12 artur99 http://pastebin.com/KV0sGuAk 16:12 moltenbot artur99's link: Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (Build 7600 - Pastebin.com 16:12 mauvebic the guy who did muppets? 16:12 VanessaE mauvebic: that's henson :-) 16:13 artur99 is that good? 16:13 VanessaE artur99: paste the rest there also. everything that was below line 19. 16:13 VanessaE ohwait 16:13 VanessaE there it is 16:13 VanessaE rename nature pack to get rid of the dashes. 16:13 artur99 thats all 16:13 artur99 i dont have more 16:13 Calinou why do you have a . in your username and a space? 16:13 Calinou nevermind about space 16:13 Calinou also, nice ultimate you have there :P 16:14 VanessaE artur99: rename nature pack to just nature_pack then 16:14 Calinou VanessaE: paste.ubuntu.com loads faster and has no ads, it should be used as often as possible 16:14 artur99 ok 16:14 VanessaE (kinda stupid that you can't have a dash) 16:14 VanessaE Calinou: I never have problems with pastebin.com 16:14 VanessaE I've used it for years 16:14 VanessaE ads? what ads? 16:15 VanessaE I don't see any ads :-) 16:15 artur99 http://pastebin.com/3W3Saxpx 16:15 moltenbot artur99's link: Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (Build 7600 - Pastebin.com 16:15 Calinou VanessaE: pastebin has ads and takes forever to load 16:15 Calinou and has occasional captchas 16:15 VanessaE artur99: you are not listening - I said twice to rename the modpack to get rid of the dashes. 16:15 Calinou also the "recent pastes" link points to links that are far from safe :P 16:16 VanessaE Calinou: wow, guess I've gotten used to the web sans ads :-) 16:16 VanessaE AdblockPlus ftw :-) 16:16 Calinou VanessaE: half wall slabs? panels? 16:16 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 16:16 Calinou not everyone uses adblock :P 16:16 VanessaE Calinou: half-thickness 16:16 Calinou btw I switched to firefox, just saying 16:16 Calinou oh 16:16 VanessaE Calinou: like the half-thick wall lights in homedecor 16:16 artur99 i renamed it 16:16 Jordach calinou fails 16:16 Calinou quarter slabs, but on walls? 16:17 artur99 "artur99.admin-PC\Desktop\minetest-0. 4.4-dev-566f7f6-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\nature_pack\init.lua" 16:17 VanessaE artur99: it looks like you did not download the whole file, there shouldn't BE an init.lua at all 16:17 artur99 nature_pack 16:17 VanessaE artur99: or you didn't copy the entire folder 16:17 artur99 i copied the entire folder 16:17 artur99 i must go 16:17 artur99 bye 16:18 VanessaE Calinou: half-slabs = quarter nodes, e.g. {-0.5, -0.5, 0.25, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5} 16:18 VanessaE so yeah I guess you called them quarter slabs :-) 16:19 VanessaE hi PilzAdam 16:19 Calinou k then :> 16:19 Calinou *opens init.lua* 16:23 Minetest-tan GIT: VanessaE (Vanessa Ezekowitz) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Changed Mese to act like an object cut out of a block of stone, rather than an 1bf62bbad4 2012-12-18T08:56:23-08:00 16:23 VanessaE WOO!! 16:23 thexyz huh, finally 16:23 VanessaE hmmmm: well, your idea was an epic fail. :-) I'm now running the server with OldCoder's build settings, just to see what changes. 16:23 Calinou done -- prepare to make good-looking circles :D 16:24 hmmmm my idea? 16:24 hmmmm what you mean deleting the logs? 16:24 VanessaE hmmmm: yeah, about seeing if nukign that gazonga log file helps. 16:24 VanessaE in fact, it made it worse :-) 16:24 neko259 artur99: You just had to rename the folder. 16:24 hmmmm it didn't make it worse, that's not possible 16:24 VanessaE the server was, get this, sucking 135% CPU (so I get one core plus 35% of another) 16:24 hmmmm alright 16:24 VanessaE before it was 100-105% 16:24 VanessaE when it deadlocked I mean :-) 16:25 hmmmm that _can_ easily happen 16:25 neko259 I think I have to start making download zips, the users can't even rename the mod directory :D 16:25 VanessaE neko259: I know, irritating isn't it? :-/ 16:25 Calinou neko259: make a modpack 16:25 VanessaE if you don't know how to rename a file/folder, should you really even be using a computer? 16:25 hmmmm something in ServerThread was taking up 100% cpu, and then EmergeThread was running 16:25 Calinou with a single mod, that works too 16:25 hmmmm apparently 16:25 VanessaE Calinou: it is. 16:25 Jordach neko259, all N0085 4r3 liek 7#15 16:25 Calinou hmmmm: this means a gentoo user is griefing on your server... 16:25 VanessaE hmmmm: I already killed the log from that last run, but Emergethread was running normally 16:26 Calinou isn't "emerge" a command about package management on gentoo? 16:26 hmmmm yeah it is, but it's also the name for the thing that generates blocks, grabs them from disk, or from memory 16:27 neko259 Calinou: I have a modpack already. 16:27 NakedFury steam beta for linux users open 16:27 Calinou steam-- 16:28 NakedFury steam is just like gamestop shop but without never doing discounts and having stuff perpetually stuck at high prices 16:30 Calinou new stairs+ release 16:30 Calinou john_minetest: real friends use linux! 16:30 STHGOM :P 16:30 STHGOM lots bad stuff 16:31 jojoa1997 not all real friends 16:31 * jojoa1997 xough cough 16:33 STHGOM brb 16:35 Zeg9 Steam for linux is only for debian-based distributions? 16:35 devlab atm 16:35 devlab , 16:35 devlab yes 16:36 devlab *facepalm* 16:36 Zeg9 Well, there is still alien... 16:36 Zeg9 and dpkg can also be installed on other distros :') 16:37 Calinou devlab: why facepalm? :D 16:37 Zeg9 You will notice they say: Grab ubuntu 12.04 and NOT 12.10 16:37 STHGOM hey does anyone have a rasberry pi? 16:37 Zeg9 facepalm because they say "linux" but it is "ubuntu" 16:37 Jordach no, silicon tastes horrible 16:38 STHGOM lol 16:38 STHGOM have you tried it? 16:41 Zeg9 o_o steam on linux is actually an apt repository 16:41 Zeg9 are they fucking kidding us? 16:42 VanessaE what's wrong with apt? 16:42 VanessaE everyone can run that anymore 16:42 VanessaE (except maybe gentoo ;-) ) 16:42 Calinou apt ftw! 16:42 VanessaE Apt is Your Friend™ 16:42 Calinou apt-get moo 16:46 Zeg9 lol arial 16:52 Zeg9 Steam works in arch linux 16:52 Zeg9 (news guy) 16:53 VanessaE hmmmm: the server/map loading is hung up again, and the server is spinning at about 60% CPU. 16:53 Jordach VanessaE, DANGER CLOSE! 16:53 VanessaE the client shows a fairly continuous stream of packets incoming, but they're not as fast as usual 16:53 VanessaE (maybe 5/second) 16:53 Jordach have you tried turning it on and off again? 16:54 thexyz Zeg9: what's wrong with "linux" part? it works flawlessly on gentoo for me 16:54 thexyz except that NOGAEMS thing 16:54 Zeg9 Onlt that they only provide a .deb package, but finally it works 16:54 Zeg9 I was shouting for nothing, sorry 16:54 VanessaE Zeg9: alien. 16:55 Zeg9 There is actually an AUR package 16:55 thexyz VanessaE: ar 16:55 VanessaE that too 16:55 Zeg9 And, the APT repository I saw was actually an option/shortcut I think 16:57 Zeg9 john_minetest don't worry most my friends are like this 16:58 VanessaE hey rubenwardy. 16:59 STHGOM Hello! 17:00 rubenwardy hi 17:00 Zeg9 My brother hates windows 17:00 Zeg9 XD 17:01 Zeg9 Babylon toolbar? 17:01 Zeg9 In my school they installed babylon, then they'll teach us not to get viruses and stuff... 17:02 Zeg9 lol steam crashed 17:03 Jordach Zeg9, good thing i only download things that i actually need, no WANT 17:03 Jordach not 17:04 Jordach because i frequently install xp home ed for people with those machines, and my backup cds break from huge amounts of use, i have to reburn them, which damages the .iso 17:04 Zeg9 What do you think about window$ 8 ? 17:05 Jordach its good 17:05 Jordach (much faster than 7 is) 17:05 Jordach (7 drains all my availible ram, 8 does not) 17:06 Jordach john_minetest, my screen is not very big 17:06 Zeg9 Internet explorer icon: Is it the new background ? oh no, it's the shortcut 17:06 Jordach 1280x1024 17:07 Jordach even the default font i struggle to read at times 17:07 Jordach (8 solves this with larger default sizes) 17:07 Jordach john_minetest, look at apple 17:07 Jordach they beat them to it. 17:08 * Zeg9 hates apple too 17:09 kizeren Windows 8 seems to me like they are trying to compete with andriod.....but why put it on Desktops/laptops....??? 17:10 Exio is someone here playing in a netbook? just for asking what mods/game are they using 17:10 Zeg9 I heard people needs to pay for a start menu, or the media player 17:10 VanessaE hmmmm: I am beginning to think I have a corrupted map :-( 17:11 Jordach well, i did hear that the mac eula allows copying and pirating 17:12 moltenbot john_minetest's link: Downloads Tiny Core Linux 17:12 Zeg9 pacman -Syu time 17:18 hmmmm corrupted map? 17:18 hmmmm how so 17:18 hmmmm how far out are you in the map? 17:19 hmmmm having a corrupted map wouldn't lead to haltups like you're saying though, i don't think 17:19 hmmmm it could depending on *what way* it's corrupted 17:20 hmmmm i'm sure a screwed up piece of data for a given block would wreak havok when you tried to deserialize it - like maybe it'd try to add 592345390 ABMs 17:21 jojoa1997 i could not find anything in the forums 17:21 rubenwardy1 Bloody hell: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/punbb/viewforum.php?id=2 17:21 moltenbot rubenwardy1's link: General Discussion (Page 1) -- Minetest Test Forum 17:21 jojoa1997 wrong query 17:22 NakedFury you need a bot detector' 17:22 hmmmm ruben, i guess they want you to get an all in one mortgage cost loan 17:22 jojoa1997 me 17:23 jojoa1997 right next to the backspace 17:23 jojoa1997 = backspace 17:23 jojoa1997 1234567890-=backspace 17:24 jojoa1997 that is the layout 17:24 jojoa1997 did anyone answer to my question about someone making a realtest server 17:24 Calinou do it 17:24 jojoa1997 ah 17:24 Calinou we're not your free slaves :P 17:24 jojoa1997 do what 17:25 Calinou the server 17:25 jojoa1997 i cant host a server 17:25 jojoa1997 that is why 17:26 Calinou then learn how to 17:26 jojoa1997 i mean even if i knew i could not 17:26 jojoa1997 i have parents 17:27 Calinou and? 17:27 Calinou since when you have to be orphan to host:P 17:28 mauvebic run the server and if your parents ask about bandwith just say pron 17:28 mauvebic :p 17:28 jojoa1997 complicated rules with parents and would be on randomly 17:29 Zeg9 Then they'll install a proxy and pron won't work anymore 17:29 Calinou since when geek^Wnerd parents exist 17:29 Calinou "geek" is a term for "facebook and twitter and linkedin and pinterest user" 17:29 jojoa1997 my mom is very pc literate thank you 17:30 mauvebic geek didn't mean that in my time since none of those existed 17:30 Zeg9 This is what geek means in france, not sure in other countries 17:30 jojoa1997 it would be the most unreliable server ever 17:30 kizeren it is amazing how much gekk and nerd have changed over the years. 17:30 kizeren *geek 17:30 Zeg9 jojoa, you can also pay a VPS 17:30 mauvebic for us, you were a geek if you played MUDs lol 17:31 mauvebic then there was this telnet game called mtrek lol 17:31 kizeren Yep! 17:31 Zeg9 jojoa1997; or if you have a wii or ps3, host on it, if you have some usb disk for ram and stuff 17:31 jojoa1997 dont have allowence 17:31 jojoa1997 dont have those either 17:31 Zeg9 jojoa, why did you ask you dumbass 17:32 jojoa1997 i thought maybe someone might like the idea 17:32 kizeren seems like you have other things to worry about then worrying about a test server for minetest. 17:32 mauvebic ironically ... it wouldn't be that difficult to code a MUD to work within minetest on one of those computer mods (though who would want to?) 17:32 jojoa1997 . 17:32 jojoa1997 ._. 17:33 Zeg9 Or make a mud that actually connects to minetest servers... 17:33 Zeg9 harder... 17:33 Zeg9 That could be possible with 2D air view (df-like) 17:33 mauvebic well before doing MUDs we should prolly find ways to display pages and paragraphs of text lol 17:34 mauvebic RPGs and MUDs both have lots of storytellin' 17:34 kizeren how would you display the "old_style_npc" from a mud in minetest :) 17:35 mauvebic display.. i thought muds were all text? or did these things live on longer than i thought? 17:36 kizeren Yea they are still there. 17:37 kizeren Even writting in java to have the normal "txt" view and a grphical view in your browser. 17:37 mauvebic must be slower than the originals lol 17:37 kizeren probably 17:38 mauvebic anything worth doing in Java is worth doing properly lol 17:38 marktraceur mauvebic: I'm not entirely sure that's true.... 17:39 mauvebic well for a language that was sposed to be revolutionary, it didn't catch on much beyond their core group of admirers 17:40 * kizeren away 17:41 mauvebic i guess its just too different from everything else ive learned 17:41 Jordach mauvebic, compiling is a shit-hole in c++ 17:41 marktraceur mauvebic: No, I mean, I think Java programmers might do some things that other programmers would never do (on account of those pesky thoughts we have) 17:41 mauvebic C++ drives me nuts with those acronymed prefixes that tell you nothing 17:42 Zeg9 It's better we have realistic graphics irc... 17:42 Zeg9 irl* 17:42 Zeg9 ... 17:42 Zeg9 No joke about that typo lol 17:42 marktraceur john_minetest: If you're looking for a story in an MMORPG, you're playing the wrong genre. RPG means you make your own story! :) 17:44 mauvebic php its the dollar signs that drives me nuts, i bet most programmers can't see the '4' key anymore lol 17:44 marktraceur john_minetest: I'd argue it's not, but you could equally make the argument that it is. 17:45 mauvebic well php is prolly the easiest to setup a dynamic website quick'n'dirty 17:45 mauvebic but, also the easiest to poke holes in it 17:46 marktraceur mauvebic: I'd say it depends on the languages with which you're comfortable....I could write a JS website faster than I could write a PHP website, depending on the function 17:46 marktraceur On average I'd say JS edges out PHP. 17:47 mauvebic again, in my day, JS and PHP were in seperate categories 17:47 mauvebic PHP served the data, JS formatted it 17:47 marktraceur Of course, if you're writing it quick'n'dirty, that seems....wrong. 17:47 mauvebic well, if youre writing a fansite, do you really need a cart and a gift shop with shitty printed tshirts? lol 17:48 mauvebic thats what i mean by quick'n'dirty lol 17:48 marktraceur mauvebic: If I'm writing a fansite, something is very wrong. 17:48 marktraceur mauvebic: But I didn't mean "if you aren't adding features...", I meant, "if you aren't writing it correctly...". 17:49 mauvebic fansites, when they were dominant, offerred inifintely more insight than wikipedia on some topics 17:50 thexyz how should they look? 17:50 mauvebic yeah but donate for what? new forum software, a central game server, features? 17:51 Jordach someone who codes full time 17:51 Jordach :D 17:51 marktraceur That would be cool. 17:51 * marktraceur points at celeron55 17:51 marktraceur You sir! 17:51 mauvebic one idea: setup a kickstarter and pay C++ devs for certain features? 17:51 thexyz yeah... features... http://www.indiegogo.com/free-game-modding 17:51 moltenbot thexyz's link: Free Game Modding | Indiegogo 17:51 marktraceur mauvebic: I may have done it wrong, but even my initial round of "Hey here's this idea I'll help make this game better" didn't get anything. 17:51 marktraceur thexyz: Thanks for the link :) 17:52 * Zeg9 would like to have a minetest t-shirt 17:52 marktraceur Taoki was kind enough to pitch in, but meh. 17:53 marktraceur I think there needs to be a more concentrated press effort, along with a wider variety of work (that will appeal to more people), and maybe more direct marketing to people who use competing software. Just a thought. 17:53 marktraceur In any case, having a bit saved up to start such an effort, maybe to show that the concept works, would be a good idea. Anyone want to register a non-profit for this? :) 17:55 mauvebic another idea: find a way to print worlds/creations to t-shirts, i bet that would go fast 17:57 marktraceur Might be more asspensive. I'd go with printing some beautiful landscapes or creations en masse, then maybe offer group printing of 20 shirts for custom designs. Of course, people will just do it themselves for the most part. 17:58 analphabet Where's the minetest dev server gone? 17:58 marktraceur john_minetest: Motive? You mean idea? 17:58 analphabet john_minetest: I'd strip out the "Welcome." 17:58 analphabet marktraceur: oh, hey! 17:58 mauvebic well you really should put the designs to a vote to see which are more likely to sell before getting them printed 17:59 marktraceur analphabet: Gasp! 17:59 analphabet hehe 17:59 marktraceur analphabet: You're just determined to find all my channels, eh? What brings you in? 17:59 analphabet minetest, obviously (I wasn't looking for you...) 18:00 marktraceur analphabet: I guess I meant what brought you to minetest :) 18:00 marktraceur analphabet: In any case, the dev server may have gone offline. You'd have to ask celeron55. 18:00 marktraceur john_minetest: "motif" is the word we use, I think. But it's not frequent. 18:01 analphabet mh, what brought me to minetest? i dunno. 18:02 NakedFury the prospect of future awesomeness? 18:02 analphabet it's like asking: what brought me to programming?, I really have no memory, actually ... 18:02 analphabet NakedFury: might be, it's quite awesome already! 18:02 analphabet I just saw the new release 18:03 NakedFury but it will still be more awesome\ 18:03 Calinou runs slower with swrast(R) 18:03 analphabet and reading through the changelog i really wanted to checkout those animated 3D players 18:04 analphabet marktraceur: you're not running a server by any chance? 18:04 marktraceur analphabet: I am, but I can't give you privs (at work) and there may not be people on it. It's at minetest.libreplanet.org port 30000, though. 18:04 Calinou analphabet: run two clients :D 18:04 Calinou games.libreplanet.org port 30000 18:04 Calinou ^ this, 18:05 marktraceur Calinou: Both work, they point to the same machine currently 18:05 analphabet Calinou: yea i thought about running two clients but i was afraid of my computer going down... 18:05 Calinou why would it 18:05 Calinou even my netbook can handle that :P 18:05 Calinou very slow though 18:05 analphabet :) 18:06 analphabet well, I'm using my fridge apparently... ;) 18:06 Calinou marktraceur: you should maybe install moreblocks and stairsplus 18:07 marktraceur Calinou: IIRC moreblocks seemed pretty frivolous to me, and I don't recall seeing anything super-important in stairs+ either 18:07 NakedFury the animated character moves even when still 18:07 NakedFury as if he was breathing 18:07 marktraceur You know me, I'm exacting in my mod selection :) 18:07 mauvebic frivolous? you havent seen all the crap my wife made me add lol 18:08 * Calinou goes to google translate 18:08 Calinou heh 18:08 marktraceur Calinou: I've said many times that I'm receptive to suggestions, but nobody's suggested much yet (well, darkrose keeps asking for tricorders, and I keep meaning to add them, but we're both half-joking) 18:09 marktraceur There's also consistent requests for carts, mobs, and I'm interested in boats. I just need to find time (HA) to test them and see if anything needs patching up. 18:09 mauvebic lol tricorders lol 18:09 mauvebic can we attach formspecs to tools? 18:09 marktraceur I doubt it....you'd need to make it a detached inventory, probably. 18:10 analphabet i must say: 18:10 analphabet THIS IS AWESOME! 18:10 mauvebic meh, i prefer to keep the inventory as clean and minimal as possible 18:10 mauvebic i tried adding *all* my gui's to it, and it made me want to retch lol 18:12 analphabet this project has evolved so much since I last checked thoroughly 18:12 rubenwardy tractors for minetest... 18:12 mauvebic tractors? see ufos 18:12 marktraceur analphabet: Setting the community loose with the modding API really helped :) 18:12 marktraceur Actually, VanessaE, is your server still up? analphabet might like to see the wide range of mods you have there. 18:12 VanessaE no, I took it down about an hour ago. 18:13 VanessaE it's having major mapgen problems. 18:13 marktraceur Damn shame. 18:13 VanessaE it's not off permanently though 18:13 mauvebic mapgen has bugs 18:13 VanessaE just until I solve the problem. 18:14 mauvebic whenever i make very large shapes (spheres, wtv) the mapgen kicks in, punches holes (caves) and dumps dirt and trees on top 18:14 sokomine hi 18:14 mauvebic dunno if its related 18:15 sokomine mauvebic: i'd like formspecs for npc. but that seems more complicated...especially if the server has to send individual formspecs to players 18:15 marktraceur mauvebic: Do you make them so they reach into blocks you haven't explored yet? 18:16 mauvebic probably with radii of 100,200,300 18:16 marktraceur Yeah that might do it. 18:16 Jordach OMFG 18:16 mauvebic but at y = +5k? 18:16 mauvebic how would the edges even reconcile lol 18:16 Jordach Minecraft 1.5 Texture Format: IT'S THE GODDAMN SAME AS Minetest 18:16 * Jordach rages 18:16 Exio i saw it 18:16 marktraceur mauvebic: Doesn't matter--if some freak mountain became that high, I'd expect there to be caves in it 18:16 sokomine any progress on the mapgen problem, vanessa? can you pinpoint it to c++ or lua? 18:16 Exio and server-side mod api Jordach 18:17 * Jordach rages again 18:17 Calinou marktraceur: there is a large wood building which is floating near glass domes, is this normal? /P 18:17 Calinou :P* 18:17 Calinou on your server 18:17 marktraceur Jordach: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 18:17 VanessaE sokomine: I am completely clueless at this point :-( 18:17 sokomine mauvebic: yes. those holes are very annoying. i call it "griefed by mapgen". happened to my minecraft classic structures and is one of the major reasons why i didn't post my converter/importer yet 18:17 Jordach mauvebic, its related to the amount of new chunks being made 18:18 mauvebic weather its considered a bug or not - its new behaviour lol 18:18 Jordach * PilzAdam has quit (Quit: PilzAdam.shutdown()) - wtf 18:18 mauvebic that map i posted long time ago, with the big spheres - didn't do that 18:18 marktraceur Calinou: Um, so TheLastProject kind of burned a lot of stuff down. 18:18 markveidemanis 2D player skins? 18:19 marktraceur Calinou: On the east-west road you'll find a little hut with signs that say "On 2012-12-XX, TLP burned down parts of the world." and explains further. 18:19 sokomine vanessa: mapgen (on_generated) without any mods took significant time with 0.4.x. like 500 ms. all the rest was much faster 18:20 VanessaE sokomine: nothing in my world uses on_generated (to my knowledge); there are several ores being generated, and quite a lot of abm activity, but the server normally only uses ~15% CPU in even the busiest parts, except when it starts to hang for no apparent reason :( 18:21 sokomine hm. good for the minecraft players if they get a better modding api. when i searched for ways to do things it turned out to be rather difficult. and those patches are complicated as well. good that it learns from minetest which does this way better! 18:21 VanessaE when players are actively building, it seems to rise to around 35-40% but even that's highly variable 18:21 markveidemanis any links to 2d player skins? 18:21 sokomine 2d? we do have nice 3d now :-) 18:21 mauvebic a lot of ore mods use on generated 18:22 Calinou they seem to work just fine 18:22 VanessaE mauvebic: moreores, technic, gloopores are the only ores-additive ones I run. 18:22 Calinou also the default mod uses on_generated for ore, cacti, papyrus 18:22 Calinou clay too 18:23 sokomine even without further mods on_generated used up quite a lot of time. the default mods iirc generate coal and iron that way 18:23 sokomine right. those things as well 18:23 rubenwardy any links to 2d player skins? 18:23 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar/gallery.php?type=2 18:23 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Gallery - Minetest Mods 18:23 sokomine map generation in a new world slows my computer down significantly 18:23 rubenwardy download all from zipball: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar/zipball.zip 18:23 mauvebic id look at those then first 18:24 sokomine hm. might be intresting what happens when i change the default stuff to a really simple world without coal, iron, clay, plants etc., yes 18:24 mauvebic well i doubt its the default ores that would be causing the problem 18:26 sokomine depends. i suppose on_generated prints its time consumption per chunk? if it's 500 ms per chunk and there are many generated that may sum up 18:29 mauvebic lately im leaning towards creating my own terrain - so as far as im concerned, the mapgen could be flat lol 18:30 NakedFury lately you mean after the gun tools? 18:30 mauvebic yup lol 18:30 mauvebic thinking up new ones too 18:30 NakedFury I would agree on that 18:30 mauvebic i wanna add all the shapes as brushes 18:30 NakedFury those basic tool you have for now are awesome 18:31 mauvebic theres just this entity bug that im trying to workaround 18:31 NakedFury you could try flat: circle or square 18:31 NakedFury flat on ground and then flat as in wall 18:31 mauvebic will disk is circle 18:32 mauvebic *well 18:32 NakedFury yes I know 18:32 NakedFury just mentioning some the voxelsniper has 18:32 mauvebic adding the conics will be cool for lower & raise 18:32 mauvebic creating the rock formations from 'gehns world" in riven 18:34 NakedFury have you tried the line yet? 18:35 mauvebic naw i actualyl forgot about it up until yesterday when i thought of the other brushes 18:35 mauvebic *actually 18:36 rubenwardy I need to find a minecraft skin viewer I can embed and give URL's for a skin to be displayed 18:36 rubenwardy for http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar 18:36 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Welcome - Minetest Mods 18:36 mauvebic though the shape of the brush would have to be a command instead of seperate guns : ive run out of colors :/ 18:37 NakedFury yes 18:37 NakedFury in the end commands would just have to be in the mod 18:38 rubenwardy minetest.net is loading slowly... 18:38 analphabet is there something like redstone already? 18:38 NakedFury yes 18:38 NakedFury mesecons 18:38 analphabet really? (*excited*) 18:39 rubenwardy any one experiencing minetest.net problems? 18:40 Calinou works for me 18:40 Calinou analphabet: much more powerful actually 18:40 NakedFury that too 18:41 Calinou vertical wires, object detectors, ICs (can be used as replacement for AMD CPUs and graphics cards) 18:41 VanessaE and bearing textures made by yours truly ;-) 18:41 mauvebic the guns only fire for people with server priv 'least 18:41 NakedFury dont add a recipe 18:41 NakedFury so others cant craft them unless admin or mods 18:42 Calinou are privilege-based recipes possible (eg. remove item after crafting if not having priv)? 18:44 mauvebic i dont have recipes for anything lol 18:44 mauvebic or a craft area in my inv lol 18:45 mauvebic theyd have to add a priv flag to crafts like you have for chat commands 18:46 mauvebic i dont know if the inventory's on_put function applies to items added by mods or commands 18:46 mauvebic otherwise you might use that to check what was added to who 18:47 * VanessaE is sad :( 18:47 VanessaE my server's basically hosed now :( 18:47 Calinou why? 18:47 Calinou oh no, my minecraft rollercoaster with its amazon ads :( 18:47 mauvebic no rollback? 18:48 sfan5 !up vanessae.mine.bz 18:48 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 DOWN 18:48 VanessaE Calinou: something in the map data is causing the map gen/loader to crash now - I can't even leave the general area of the spawn anymore - the map just refuses to load even after waiting several minutes. 18:48 analphabet omg, holy shit. (just watched a vid about mesecon) -- A W E S O M E 18:48 sfan5 VanessaE: error message? 18:48 analphabet really exciting 18:48 sfan5 analphabet: i can confirm, mesecons is awesome 18:49 mauvebic whats the error output? 18:49 analphabet what's the superlative of camazing? 18:50 NakedFury camazingning 18:50 VanessaE sfan5: none whatsoever. mapgen/loader iseither silently failing to load blocks, or the engine's failing to send them to the client, I don't know which - and the client is on the same box as the server/. 18:50 sfan5 ... 18:51 analphabet sfan5: hah :) 18:51 * analphabet stops spamming awesome people now (they like a quiet life, them; so diligent..., so awesome..) 18:51 analphabet KEEP ROCKING! 18:51 VanessaE sfan5: yet, it executes commands, runs abms, lets players log in/out, chat works... just no mapgen. 18:52 mauvebic well when you run the server from the terminal, what does it say when it dies? pcloadletter/stack overflow? 18:52 VanessaE mauvebic: no errors whatsoever. silent failure. 18:52 sfan5 so it just exits? 18:52 VanessaE mauvebic: just normal activity in the logs at both ends. 18:52 mauvebic thats damn peculiar 18:52 VanessaE sfan5: no, it spins at 100% CPU or close to it. 18:52 VanessaE it does not exit. it gets stuck. 18:53 sfan5 ... 18:54 mauvebic youve already tried undoing recent changes? 18:54 mauvebic or loading different backups (same problem) 18:54 VanessaE mauvebic: if I had a clue where to start, I would. 18:55 mauvebic well whatever mods you recently removed, try adding them back 18:55 analphabet hah, just got chucked out of #minecraft for telling them minetest is better... stupid gits :) 18:55 mauvebic whatever ones you recently added you should try removing 1 by 1 18:55 VanessaE This is now happening directly from a server- and client cold restart, and if it doesn't, then it takes several hours before it happens. 18:55 mauvebic if all else fails, try loading your latest backup 18:55 mauvebic is it a grief or a bug causing it? 18:55 Jordach VanessaE, there is light at the ned of this tunnel 18:56 sfan5 can you debug running c++ functions with gdb? 18:56 Jordach you have a .we version of the coaster :3 18:56 * Jordach whisles 18:56 VanessaE Jordach: yeah, .wem format but same difference. 18:57 VanessaE mauvebic: it's a bug in the engine afaict but where? I don't know. 18:57 Calinou AndrewPH: try stairsplus too 18:57 Calinou oh he left 18:57 Calinou wrong guy :sadface: 18:57 Jordach VanessaE, it does not happen under 0.3.2 form my knowledge 18:57 mauvebic the only times ive seriously wrecked a map like that was with mod testing :/ 18:57 VanessaE Jordach: eh? 18:58 Jordach the maps back then and blocks were saved in numbers and not text 18:58 VanessaE oh 18:58 Jordach it seems to be the mapsaving itself 18:58 * Jordach has not had any 0.3.x map go wrong ever 18:59 VanessaE Jordach: that's the kicker! In the areas that DID load? I can build! 18:59 VanessaE and it gets saved. 18:59 VanessaE if I sign out of the client and come back in, the construction is still there 18:59 VanessaE and I'm pretty sure it survives a server restart too 18:59 Jordach VanessaE, run the lua mod slowness tracer 19:00 VanessaE did. 19:00 VanessaE technic and mesecons use up some CPU, but not enough to account for the server just puking like this. 19:00 VanessaE the rest aren't even worth counting. 19:01 Jordach this is why we should have a pure C++ based api, (like BASIC, or something) 19:01 Jordach VanessaE, can i check if your server works for me? 19:01 VanessaE Jordach: go ahead, I've started it. 19:01 Jordach i just logged in :D 19:02 VanessaE I've signed in and am standing at the spawn, I think 19:02 VanessaE I see two mapblocks' worth of data out in front of me about 50 nodes away I'd guess. 19:03 Jordach did you check the .conf for any changes? 19:03 VanessaE there, the spawn just loaded, a minute after I signed in 19:03 mauvebic Jordach id say the opposite almost, id rather the mapgen was all lua so wed know better how it works 19:03 Jordach speed > knowlegde 19:04 marktraceur Hopefully soon it won't be a trade-off. 19:04 mauvebic why not compile all mods then? 19:04 * marktraceur figures it's a good time to write an announce for that doc sprint 19:04 mauvebic ive thought about it but the uproar... lol 19:04 marktraceur Ehhh.....tonight. 19:05 Jordach VanessaE, loads fine from my end 19:06 mauvebic would mods accessing the sqlite be faster too though? 19:06 mauvebic *directly 19:06 VanessaE no because sqlite is doomed to die in a fire, hopefully :-) 19:06 rubenwardy I need to find a minecraft skin viewer I can embed and give URL's for a skin to be displayed 19:06 rubenwardy for http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar 19:06 rubenwardy Can anyone help? 19:06 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Welcome - Minetest Skins 19:07 NakedFury https://www.google.com.pr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.minecraftskins.com%2F&ei=5WHTUNXpLIuK8QTbsICgDA&usg=AFQjCNGczgNyH6Tjy-Y-byiuesOdTiN32w&sig2=rVgSMIdEa5-tQeJe1y3ClQ&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.eWU 19:07 NakedFury http://www.minecraftskins.com/ 19:07 moltenbot NakedFury's link: The Skindex - Minecraft Skins 19:07 NakedFury stupidcopy and paste 19:07 NakedFury would that link work? 19:07 mauvebic for my mapgen problem, going to the db directly might solve the problem 19:08 * mauvebic redundancy department of redundancy 19:10 VanessaE Jordach: are you still reading me on the server? 19:10 Jordach yes 19:10 rubenwardy I need to be able to do and supply some parameters to the skin 19:11 mauvebic runbenwardy you could prolly use PIL to generate custom skins 19:11 marktraceur mauvebic: Were they the ones who instituted the backup of the backup policy creation policy? You know, in case the normal backup policy creation policy fails? 19:12 rubenwardy viewer, not editor 19:12 mauvebic web based? 19:13 rubenwardy yes 19:13 Landminemtt No 19:13 rubenwardy (7:06:35 PM) rubenwardy: I need to find a minecraft skin viewer I can embed and give URL's for a skin to be displayed 19:13 rubenwardy (7:06:35 PM) rubenwardy: for http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar 19:13 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Welcome - Minetest Skins 19:14 Jordach VanessaE, i took a screenshot of the load only area 19:14 mauvebic what id do: JS editor, python/PIL to create and save texture, then serve it up 19:14 VanessaE oh good 19:14 VanessaE lemme see it 19:14 VanessaE I'm curious if it matches what I see 19:14 Landminemtt Hi jordach 19:14 Jordach Landminemtt, cant touch me 19:14 Landminemtt U think 19:14 mauvebic you can touch me but its gonna cost you lol 19:15 Jordach jordach@unaffiliated/jordach 19:15 Jordach screw you. 19:15 Landminemtt So 19:15 rubenwardy I want a simple script that I can give a url to a skin file, which then turns it into a model in the browser, similar to this http://www.minecraftskins.com/skin/664716/pikaset2/ 19:15 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Pikaset2 | Minecraft Skin 19:17 rubenwardy maybe a 19:17 Landminemtt Why so defensive jordach? 19:17 mauvebic simple would be JS then, offer templates for clothes, let them choose the colors, and python could creat the texture file 19:17 rubenwardy no, NOT AN EDITOR 19:17 rubenwardy a VIEWER 19:17 Landminemtt Mauvebic that idea is awesome 19:18 Jordach Landminemtt, paranoia + panic attacks 19:18 mauvebic you mean actually apply the texture to a 3d model in the browser as opposed to the user just trying it out? 19:18 rubenwardy It would be good to have an editor, but I need a viewer now, for the home page 19:18 Landminemtt Paranoid of what exactly jordach 19:18 rubenwardy yes, like this http://www.minecraftskins.com/skin/664716/pikaset2/ 19:18 rubenwardy they cant edit it 19:18 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Pikaset2 | Minecraft Skin 19:18 Jordach people. 19:19 Jordach not to mention other peoples habits 19:19 Landminemtt Rubenwardy goto planetminecraft.com and see the viewer there 19:20 Landminemtt I thnk that's what u want 19:20 Jordach actually, yes. thats a good one. 19:20 rubenwardy yes 19:20 mauvebic id say learn webgl then lol 19:20 VanessaE Jordach: screenshot? 19:21 Jordach hold on dammit 19:21 mauvebic everything else will go by the wayside anyhow 19:21 * VanessaE holds :-) 19:21 * Jordach is busy with other shit 19:21 Jordach its not like in hanging of the edge of my sofa with a black hole trying to suck me in dammit, is it 19:21 Jordach s/in/im 19:22 Jordach s/of/off 19:22 VanessaE haha 19:22 Landminemtt jordach what wrong have u done that has u like this? 19:23 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/2gr0y 19:23 moltenbot Jordach's link: The world has not ended. Sincerely, Australia. - Imgur 19:23 NakedFury doesnt count 19:23 VanessaE haha 19:23 NakedFury it has to be mexican time 19:23 NakedFury the mayan where not from australia 19:23 mauvebic mexican time? thats GMT + 2 hour nap? :p 19:24 Jordach did they ascociate a specific timezome? 19:24 Jordach then no. 19:24 Landminemtt Its 1:27 here mauveric 19:24 * Jordach shows the middle finger 19:24 NakedFury JOrdach they did when they said its a mayan shit 19:24 mauvebic 1/4 of my family is there actually 19:24 Landminemtt Its 3:27 where the mayans were 19:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/V4DuT.png 19:24 Landminemtt Mauveric are u mexican? 19:24 * Jordach holds the keys to VanessaE's picture 19:25 mitori hello 19:25 Jordach hello mitori 19:25 NakedFury hey 19:25 Landminemtt Mauvebic are u mexican? 19:25 mitori vanessa or pilzadam here? 19:26 Jordach VanessaE is 19:26 mitori cool 19:26 mauvebic vanessa is mexican? 19:26 Landminemtt Looks like it 19:26 Jordach nah, the way she speaks is pure english 19:26 VanessaE mexican? fuck no 19:26 Jordach not broken english 19:26 mitori VanessaE you asked for textures, didn't you? i made a mese crystal texturte 19:26 VanessaE I'm actually from Kansas and I live in North Carolina. 19:26 Jordach ....and better than mine 19:27 VanessaE mitori: send them to PilzAdam 19:27 Landminemtt Clark kent is from kansas 19:27 mitori how? 19:27 mauvebic naw im french/scot, father and brother married to peruvian and mexican respectively 19:27 NakedFury and dorothy is from kansas 19:27 * Jordach pokes VanessaE with a stick 19:27 VanessaE ow. 19:27 Jordach crafted from a block of oak wood 19:27 VanessaE sorry, got sidetracked - talking to the contractor for our home remodel 19:28 VanessaE (he's here working on stuff) 19:28 KikaRz Back 19:28 Jordach sweet, i forgot to mention something 19:28 VanessaE Jordach: that's consistent with what I was seeing. 19:28 Jordach okay, 19:28 mitori VanessaE how do i send textures to adam? 19:28 Jordach pull request 19:29 mitori omg 19:29 Jordach mitori, or send them to me and i do the work 19:29 Landminemtt Mitori take it to pm pleas2 19:29 mitori ok, sorry 19:29 VanessaE mitori: as Jordach said, expanding on it: fork minetest_game, put your textures into place, then issue a pull request and let PilzAdam knoe about it. 19:29 VanessaE know* 19:29 KikaRz VanessaE, i'm sorry for not playing now too much on your server 19:29 KikaRz :( 19:30 rubenwardy link to 3d skin, please 19:30 Landminemtt jordach wanna be me e-buddy??? 19:30 VanessaE KikaRz: it's okay, the server's taken a shit anyway :-/ 19:30 Jordach ho ho no. 19:30 rubenwardy nevermind 19:30 VanessaE anyway 19:31 Landminemtt Why jordach? 19:31 marktraceur Jordach: As your lawyer, I'm advising you not to answer. 19:31 marktraceur As your bartender, shut up and have a drink. 19:31 KikaRz VanessaE. 19:32 Landminemtt Ohh hi marktraceur 19:32 KikaRz Now i'm on AoS... (0.75) 19:32 Landminemtt Didn't see u 19:32 Jordach Landminemtt, remember when i gave a shit? yeah, me neither 19:32 VanessaE KikaRz: have fun with it. 19:32 KikaRz tomorrow im going to play 5 games 19:32 KikaRz FUCK YOU MAyANS! 19:32 Landminemtt Jordach come up with somthing original u say that all the time 19:32 KikaRz "Nobody can choose the day of the end, neither the people, neither the tribals, neither the Son. 19:33 KikaRz But yes, the Father" 19:33 mauvebic everyone knows the end of the world is going to come with the north korean invasion of cleveland 19:33 marktraceur Jordach: Once again, I advise you to zip it. 19:33 marktraceur Jordach: We really don't need another flame war here. 19:33 Jordach i gave a fuck once, it was terrible 19:33 marktraceur mauvebic: But...why would they want to invade Cleveland? 19:33 mauvebic seriously lol 19:34 Jordach Guess what i got you for christmas, Landminemtt 19:34 Landminemtt I'm jewish 19:34 mauvebic or my native city for that matter. theyve arrested something like 6 or 7 mayors this year. 19:34 Jordach a few seconds of less life 19:35 Landminemtt And vanessae has oldcoder been on since yesterday? 19:35 KikaRz Everyone 19:35 KikaRz I got a gift for everyone. 19:35 Jordach STFU? 19:35 VanessaE Landminemtt: I don't know, but I have not seen him. 19:35 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFvw6yxvMvI 19:35 moltenbot thexyz's link: Animirus: Postmas - YouTube 19:35 Landminemtt He got mad at ibanez for some reasn and left 19:35 VanessaE thexyz: care to sign onto the server and watch what it does? per the discussion in -dev 19:35 mauvebic gotta start the sunday gravy 19:35 marktraceur KikaRz: Please keep the religious chatter to a minimum. 19:36 marktraceur (sorry, delayed response, read backlog) 19:37 Jordach Okay, breaking news, scientists found another mayan calendar that carries on where the first ended. it was found behind a sofa 19:37 KikaRz marktraceur, go to biblia. 19:37 marktraceur What? 19:37 Landminemtt Jordach u seem tense...what's going on in your life? 19:37 KikaRz Lol, Jordach. 19:37 Jordach im looking for some stupid people to entertain me 19:38 Landminemtt Why is that? 19:38 * Jordach puts sunglasses on 19:38 Jordach deal with it mutherfucker 19:38 Landminemtt Kikarz do u really read the bible? 19:38 KikaRz No. 19:38 Jordach its 2500 pages that could have been used for flyers somewhere else 19:38 KikaRz I've "read" 19:38 marktraceur Landminemtt, KikaRz, I don't like holy wars any more than flame wars. 19:38 KikaRz at 5 years ago 19:38 Jordach because the leak? 19:38 Jordach they 19:40 Landminemtt Kikarz last time I read u said u were another users mom.... is that true? 19:41 KikaRz ?? 19:41 KikaRz what? 19:41 Landminemtt You said u were another user`s mom 19:41 Landminemtt Is that true? 19:42 KikaRz ??? 19:42 KikaRz user's mom ? 19:42 KikaRz o_o' 19:42 Landminemtt Yeah 19:42 KikaRz ?? 19:42 sfan5 why does team fortress 2 have to be 10 gb to download? :( 19:42 KikaRz didnt understoo 19:42 marktraceur KikaRz: As in, someone in this channel is your child. 19:42 KikaRz d 19:42 KikaRz *d 19:42 KikaRz no, im just telek's mother 19:42 KikaRz stupid RagnarLaud. 19:43 Jordach why does team fortress 2 have to be 10 gb to download? :( - i know 19:43 Landminemtt Kikarz how was my question unclear? 19:43 mauvebic 10gb? does it come with debian? 19:43 * Jordach sniggers 19:43 sfan5 Jordach: mauvebic: the open beta of steam for linux started 19:44 Jordach YES YES YES 19:44 Jordach fuck yeh 19:44 mauvebic read about it on ./ :-) 19:44 * Jordach downloads steam 19:44 thexyz lol 19:44 thexyz now enjoy your no gaems 19:44 Jordach on a windows machine 19:44 marktraceur mauvebic: /.? 19:44 mauvebic no games? 19:44 mauvebic slashdot :p 19:44 Jordach O.O 19:44 sfan5 Jordach: http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb 19:44 Landminemtt Anybody play black op 2? 19:45 * Jordach prefers /b/ and /r/ 19:45 Jordach im a asshole to others, deal with it 19:45 Landminemtt Jordach no your not 19:45 Landminemtt U only act hard on the web 19:45 thexyz well, there's ton of indie shi^Wgames, tf2, serious sam 3: bfe, have i forgot anything? 19:45 Landminemtt In rl everyone steps over u 19:45 Jordach Landminemtt, ask my selection of working rifles 19:46 Jordach all of them eat nato spec rounds 19:46 Jordach and yes, im licensed 19:46 Landminemtt That just proves my point 19:46 mauvebic no one remembers games like arc and wulfram or the TEN game thingie? lol 19:46 marktraceur Jordach: Don't threaten other people please. 19:47 sfan5 why the fuck do I have to download the whole game again to upate? why not just a patch? 19:47 thexyz oh, well, there's also sale in steam right now 19:47 Landminemtt Marktraceur has oldcoder been back sine he raged quit? 19:47 mauvebic i tried desura a while back and was like "meh" so ill pass on steam 19:48 marktraceur Landminemtt: Not that I know of, no. 19:48 sfan5 i wish there would be borderlands 2 for linux 19:48 mauvebic wine? 19:49 KikaRz stupid wine. 19:49 sfan5 you can drink wine 19:49 mauvebic try participating :P i test alot of games and pass on the results, and when you mention flaws they tend to get fixed:p 19:49 KikaRz http://buildandshoot.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=187 19:49 KikaRz u_u' 19:50 KikaRz fail! 19:50 KikaRz Wrong channel 19:50 rubenwardy If any one would like to make/implement a 3d skin viewer, the place is here: https://github.com/rubenwardy/Minetest-Avatar-Forum/blob/master/scripts/setup.php#L46 19:50 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest-Avatar-Forum/scripts/setup.php at master ? rubenwardy/Minetest-Avatar-Forum ? GitHub 19:52 rubenwardy who made the default 3d skin? 19:52 rubenwardy Jordach? 19:52 Landminemtt Jordach as u have seen being a bully leaves no good 19:53 sokomine 185% cpu usage after (admittedly on purpose) running around fast in a new world? at least it looks as if both cpus are used 19:53 Landminemtt Keep it to a minimum 19:53 Jordach and another ignore, i hoped to avoid it 19:53 Landminemtt Lol 19:54 Landminemtt Once he can't control a situation he simply starts to ignore people 19:54 marktraceur Landminemtt: Jordach had a bit of an outburst, it doesn't make him a bully. He's not about to repeat the behaviour. 19:54 sfan5 ^ 19:54 Landminemtt Gonna eat brb 19:55 * Jordach has had a long week and is tired, depressed and grumpy 19:55 * mauvebic hands jordach a beer 19:55 sokomine oh :-( 19:56 mauvebic its not 5 o clock here but it must be where you are so im good 19:56 * sokomine picks some apples and hands them to jordach for healing 19:56 Jordach mauvebic, /ctcp time 19:56 mauvebic ctcp? 19:56 Jordach just use 19:56 Jordach it 19:56 Jordach it tells you the time from my time zone 19:57 mauvebic how would it know though? i didndt have to chose a timezone on my client :/ 19:57 sokomine maybe through the ip range 19:57 Jordach it uses system time 19:57 sfan5 mauvebic: it just reads the local time? 19:57 sfan5 sokomine: how? 19:57 sfan5 its 14:54 at mauvebic 19:58 mauvebic sounds about right 19:58 sfan5 and 19:57 at Jordach 19:58 sfan5 and 20:57 at myself 19:58 sokomine i don't even know the command. but ips are not exactly secret on irc 19:58 * sokomine is in sfan5s timezone 19:58 mauvebic i use a romulan cloaking device for mine 19:58 Jordach * [Jordach] (~Jordach@unaffiliated/jordach): realname 19:58 sfan5 ​/ctcp sokomine TIME 19:59 sfan5 i have no cloak 19:59 * sokomine pretends to be overworked and uses that as an excuse to steal the cloaking device from mauvebic 19:59 sfan5 but if you reverse dns the ip you'll get to minetest.ru 19:59 rubenwardy ===Skin Selector News=== 19:59 mauvebic though considering i never check the time before beer, i wasn't gonna check jordach's before giving him one lol 20:00 rubenwardy ===Skin Selector News=== 20:00 rubenwardy 3d skins are now supported 20:00 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar 20:00 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Welcome - Minetest Skins 20:00 Jordach mauvebic, im a sleepy drunk, not a angry one 20:00 mauvebic im a functional drunk lol 20:01 mauvebic this one time, i left a bar downtown at 2am, walked home and got there by 7 (had to cross a few bridges) 20:01 mauvebic wouldnt do that now 20:02 mauvebic too many shitty neighbourhoods in between 20:06 sokomine when running singleplayer, the server process does not seem to be a seperate process? 20:07 davidpace Hi all 20:08 rubenwardy 20:08 at me 20:12 sokomine hi 20:12 sokomine hm. seems client and server both reach a peak when i run around (fast in a new world) 20:14 sokomine the server does recover relatively fast. ok...i know i have a not-well-suited grapics card. and it runs much better than minecraft :-) 20:17 markveidemanis hihi 20:17 LAD hmm 20:17 markveidemanis hi 20:17 LAD !joke 20:18 LAD nope dont work here 20:18 markveidemanis !define joke 20:18 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: joke definition: something said or done to provoke laughter; '''especially'''. 20:18 LAD ?? 20:18 markveidemanis !joke 20:18 markveidemanis moltenbot! 20:18 markveidemanis [20:18] "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. He who lives by markveidemanis , dies by the roundhouse kick." 20:18 KittenGNU HAHA it's connected to ddg.gg? 20:18 markveidemanis ??? 20:19 KittenGNU !define bottoms 20:19 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: bottom definition: the underside of something. 20:19 markveidemanis !define $#!T 20:19 KittenGNU !ud o/ 20:20 KittenGNU Seemingly not all !bangs works here. 20:20 moltenbot no definition found, try to use 'thinking' 20:20 marktraceur markveidemanis: Watch the bot usage. 20:20 markveidemanis why? 20:20 markveidemanis minetest-tan 20:20 markveidemanis Minetest-tan 20:20 KittenGNU !roll 1d20 20:20 NakedFury because they are not made to spam the chat 20:21 markveidemanis +Minetest-tan 20:21 markveidemanis !up 10.12.110.1 20:21 moltenbot Minetest server 10.12.110.1:30000 DOWN 20:22 sokomine @vanessae the cpu's athlon x2 4850e, 3.5 ghz. a recent celeron of 2.5 mhz would be 50% faster 20:22 markveidemanis !joke dzho 20:22 markveidemanis [20:22] "markveidemanis is currently suing myspace for taking the name of what he calls everything around you." 20:24 VanessaE markveidemanis: anything starting with 10.x.x.x is always a LAN IP. 20:24 VanessaE same for 192.168.x.x 20:24 VanessaE no one will be able to reach those. 20:25 markveidemanis just test (random) 20:25 VanessaE oh ok 20:26 markveidemanis my server is testing the skins mod by Zeg9 please come on and report bugs 20:26 markveidemanis or anything 20:26 markveidemanis or have fun:) 20:26 markveidemanis where are passwords kept? 20:27 marktraceur markveidemanis: auth.txt 20:27 markveidemanis are they encrypted? 20:28 marktraceur markveidemanis: Damn right they are 20:28 markveidemanis k4RFv3sGES+UI09Aev+Z17W2oqY 20:28 markveidemanis how to un... 20:28 markveidemanis encrypt 20:28 marktraceur (what is this, amateur hour?) 20:28 marktraceur markveidemanis: Don't. Ever. Do that. 20:28 markveidemanis why 20:28 marktraceur markveidemanis: Because it's a security breach, a violation of your users' privacy, and illegal in most places. 20:29 markveidemanis but how do i do it () 20:29 KikaRz markveidemanis, stop spamming. 20:29 marktraceur markveidemanis: You don't. Don't come in here asking how to steal someone's password. 20:29 markveidemanis is it "A=bubkhjh" or more complex 20:30 marktraceur God damn. People just don't listen. 20:30 marktraceur markveidemanis: You don't unencrypt passwords. It's not a good idea. 20:31 marktraceur markveidemanis: If you're trying to accomplish something innocent, ask a broader question, there's probably a better way to do it. 20:31 KikaRz stupid hacker. 20:31 marktraceur KikaRz: Not a hacker so much as a skiddie. 20:32 marktraceur markveidemanis: Behave. 20:32 markveidemanis what am i doing? 20:32 marktraceur markveidemanis: You're asking how to circumvent security that's put there for a reason. 20:33 markveidemanis but is it possible yes/no 20:33 markveidemanis ("yes"/"no"0 20:33 marktraceur markveidemanis: No. Give it up. 20:33 markveidemanis ok 20:35 marktraceur markveidemanis: Did you have another question? What were you going to do with the unencrypted passwords? 20:35 markveidemanis just interested 20:40 kaeza hi! 20:40 leo_rockway I'm sorry, I know where you're coming from, marktraceur, but it is possible to break any encryption. It just takes more or less time. 20:40 leo_rockway so people should use common sense with their passwords 20:40 kaeza hey leo 20:40 leo_rockway hello, kaeza 20:41 kaeza mey mark 20:41 kaeza hey* 20:41 markveidemanis hi 20:41 markveidemanis im testing the skins mod on my server 20:42 kaeza has anyone seen OldCoder lately? 20:42 kaeza markveidemanis: good 20:42 leo_rockway it's not ethical to try to break the users' passwords, but everyone should be aware that ANY admin (not of minetest, but of any online app) can try and break their passwords. 20:43 kaeza leo_rockway: a simple rule of thumb: don't use the same passwords for your accounts 20:44 kaeza no matter how "strong" the encryption is, sooner or later somebody will be able to decrypt them 20:44 kaeza of course, changing passwords frequently also pays off 20:45 ruskie passwords tend to be stored in one-way hashes 20:45 ruskie not encrypted 20:45 ruskie usually 20:45 leo_rockway ruskie: hashes can be broken. 20:45 leo_rockway md5hashes, for instance 20:45 ruskie they can be colided 20:45 leo_rockway well, yes 20:45 leo_rockway okay, you're right 20:45 ruskie so that something produces the same hash 20:45 leo_rockway still 20:45 ruskie still won't provide the final password most of the time 20:46 leo_rockway yes, that's correct 20:46 leo_rockway thanks for clarifying 20:50 ecube \o/ 20:51 kaeza hey ecube 20:51 ecube hey 20:51 kaeza hey Zeg9, Splizard, Morrolan 20:51 Splizard hi 20:52 Splizard Its the end of the world here in New Zealand today, ill let you guys know if were all destroyed :D 20:52 Zeg9 Hi! 20:53 kaeza oh please 20:54 mauvebic its simply the end of one calendar and the start of another 20:54 markveidemanis WERE ALL GOING TO DIE 20:54 * marktraceur warns people once more about spreading religious crap in the channel 20:54 markveidemanis ITS EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF 20:55 Jordach the end of the world is bullshit 20:56 kaeza I'm going to say "happy new world" to everybody on the 22nd 20:56 sokomine in minetest the end of the world is at 30000. or when the server shuts down :_) 20:56 kaeza like one says "happy new year" 20:56 kaeza sokomine: lol 20:56 kaeza sokomine: it's at 301212 20:56 sokomine ok :-) 20:56 kaeza err 20:56 sokomine ,-) 20:56 kaeza 31212 20:56 kaeza :P 20:57 mauvebic they prolly didn't have gregorian calendars or leap years back then either lol 20:58 markveidemanis never worry about the world ending today; its already tomorrow in australia 20:58 marktraceur mauvebic: I'm sure the insane SOB who came up with the doomsday theory was intelligent enough to calculate using leap years. 20:59 marktraceur Educate y'all selves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon 20:59 moltenbot marktraceur's link: 2012 phenomenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 20:59 mauvebic there have been how many thousand doomsday theories so far? lol 20:59 VanessaE marktraceur: I dunno....there's some pretty stupid people in this world - after all, he came up with the doomsday shit to start with :-) 21:00 marktraceur VanessaE: Read the article, some interesting insight 21:01 Zeg9 Hi OldCoder 21:01 Splizard I saw a shop the other day advertising "get your 21/12/12 survival kits now" 21:01 Splizard it was a laugh 21:01 marktraceur Wow people are dumb. 21:01 marktraceur Why would the day go first? You can't sort dates as easily if you do that! 21:02 marktraceur And besides, didn't we learn anything from the Y2K bullshit? Jesus, use the four-digit year format. 21:02 Zeg9 "after end of the world kit" < 21:19 leo_rockway calinou: if you haven't tried Weechat, you might like it. At least I liked it better. 21:20 calinou is it a CLI client? 21:20 leo_rockway yes 21:20 calinou k 21:20 calinou i'll try :P 21:20 calinou *switches TTY* 21:20 leo_rockway it's more featureful by default 21:20 leo_rockway and you can also try kaeza's irc mod 21:20 leo_rockway markveidemanis: veganism arguments 21:20 markveidemanis ? 21:20 calinou how can I switch channels in irssi? and how can I change some settings? :P 21:21 kaeza calinou: /join #minetest-irc-testing 21:21 kaeza if you can 21:21 leo_rockway you edit text files in Irssi. I don't remember if you can change settings from within irssi. 21:21 Aggies sup everybody 21:21 leo_rockway switch channels... I used the go plugin. /go channel 21:21 leo_rockway I don't remember how to switch channels in default 21:21 leo_rockway Aggies: \ø greetings 21:22 marktraceur calinou: /win # will take you to a window. Alt-[1234567890qwertyuiop] will bring you to channels 1 through 19. 21:22 marktraceur Sorry, not p. P is page up. 21:22 marktraceur Er, Alt-p is. 21:23 markveidemanis alt+P?? 21:23 markveidemanis :P 21:24 Aggies im slim shady the real slim shady all you other shadys are just imatating will the real slim shady please stand up please stand up 21:25 marktraceur Aggies: Fascinating. 21:25 kaeza hey Aggies 21:25 Aggies hey 21:26 Aggies these are some good songs 21:26 markveidemanis who has skins link 21:27 Aggies gtg 21:28 kaeza d 21:28 celeron55 markveidemanis: the passwords are sha1 hashed, salted by the username 21:28 celeron55 it's not a secret and i don't believe in security by obscurity 21:28 KikaRz LAWL 21:28 celeron55 however, that is somewhat crappy hashing 21:28 KikaRz ChanServ can net split too! 21:28 markveidemanis sha1? 21:29 markveidemanis what do you mean by the username 21:29 celeron55 so don't crack them if you can, because it's not fun 21:29 marktraceur celeron55: Might be worthwhile to throw a sha512 in there :) 21:30 markveidemanis idk what you all are on about :P 21:30 ruskie well last I checked sha1 is still rather solid 21:30 marktraceur ruskie: I heard it got brute-forced by about $2 worth of virtual machines on AWS. 21:30 celeron55 well, more like a couple of rounds of sha256 with a random salt 21:31 * marktraceur doesn't get why you'd use sha256 when sha512 is around, but OK 21:31 hmmmm does it really matter 21:31 hmmmm just hash it twice 21:31 celeron55 because it's useless 21:31 celeron55 the point of a password hash is to 1) be secure, 2) be slow to calculate 21:32 celeron55 not to have a huge number of result bytes 21:32 celeron55 really the largest problem of the current system is because it uses so predictable salts 21:32 marktraceur *nod* 21:32 marktraceur Though either way, if you get auth.txt, you're going to have the salt. 21:32 celeron55 or, well, predictability is not a problem, but the fact that they are always the same for the same user 21:33 celeron55 it doesn't matter if somebody gets the salt 21:33 celeron55 but it matters if the salt is the same on all servers for the same user 21:33 celeron55 ...i wonder when i or somebody else will get into fixing that up 21:33 markveidemanis_ hi 21:34 hmmmm you need an idea first in order to fix it up 21:34 markveidemanis all: post your local time 21:34 marktraceur markveidemanis: No. 21:34 markveidemanis 21:34 21:35 hmmmm the thing that first comes to mind is a randomly generated value that's persistant for the entire existence of that server 21:35 marktraceur markveidemanis: If you must know somebody's local time, use /ctcp time 21:35 hmmmm like you'd store it in a config file 21:35 celeron55 hmmmm: no no no 21:35 hmmmm got any other ideas? :/ 21:35 marktraceur Er sorry 21:35 celeron55 hmmmm: the right way is to randomly generate a salt for each password 21:35 marktraceur markveidemanis: /ctcp time 21:35 marktraceur Bloody order of arguments 21:36 celeron55 and store it next to the salt+hashed password 21:36 hmmmm okay 21:36 hmmmm then we'll do that 21:36 celeron55 but it has implications to the network protocol 21:36 hmmmm how are we going to keep backwards compatibility 21:37 markveidemanis ok, who will comeon my server to build a subway-train station 21:37 celeron55 hmmmm: the client sends the protocol versions it supports when it connects to the server 21:38 NakedFury is it possible to do timed priviledges? 21:38 hmmmm celeron, have you ever looked into SRP? 21:39 hmmmm that would probably be the ideal solution but it'd take a lot of work to implement 21:39 markveidemanis who wants to build a space base+tunnel 21:40 marktraceur markveidemanis: You already asked. I've told you before, announce on the forums and ask here _once_ if something changes on your server. 21:40 markveidemanis it's just on for a bit now 21:40 markveidemanis it not usually 21:40 celeron55 hmmmm: well the ideal solution would be to set up an unauthenticated encrypted connection and do everything on top of it 21:41 celeron55 (and it becomes authenticated when you do password authentication on it) 21:41 celeron55 it's not that hard at all (just the regular diffie-helmann stuff) but... well 21:41 ruskie someone just needs to implement it ;) 21:42 celeron55 i think it should be postponed to some larger protocol redesign, but i have no idea when such is going to happen 21:43 ruskie the important thing is to have it in mind when doing it 21:44 celeron55 i'm quite terrified to even think of doing anything like that, because minetest is somewhat tied to the current protocol 21:45 celeron55 if you design the perfect universal mine* protocol, it's a pain in the ass to implement in MT 8) 21:46 celeron55 of course less of a PITA than writing an MC clone from scratch, but, not something you do in one night 21:47 ruskie wouldn't just adding a ssl layer on top via stunnel solve a large chunk? 21:47 hmmmm an added advantage to SRP is that the password, or the cryptographic equivalent, is never sent over the wire 21:48 hmmmm but 21:48 hmmmm is there really that much of a problem with the salt being sent through the network 21:49 Splizard New release for snow mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2290 21:49 moltenbot Splizard's link: [Mod] Snow Biomes [1.4] [snow] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 21:49 celeron55 when a middleman siis the salt and the hash, cracking the password is reduced to cracking a non-salted password 21:49 celeron55 but they see it now too 21:49 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55068#p55068 21:49 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis's Server (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums 21:50 celeron55 i don't really know if the current system is *too bad* 21:50 celeron55 probably not 21:52 celeron55 it's at the limit of what is easy to make but still hides passwords from any non-serious cracker 21:52 sokomine does mt work with port forwarding? 21:53 hmmmm this might be stupid but 21:53 hmmmm what if you send a hash of the salt, salted with some random value 21:54 hmmmm and the client also uses a random value to salt with in addition to what the server sent it to use 21:54 hmmmm and the client will send the random value it used to salt 21:54 celeron55 umm... that probably too reduces to brute forcing the plain password 8) 21:54 celeron55 (if the traffic is collected by someone) 21:54 hmmmm so you have something like password hash = SHA(SHA(password) + client_value + SHA1(key + server_value)) 21:55 hmmmm so they never know what the acutal salt is 21:55 kaeza celeron55: hi. I see your point, but I think it's not worth the effort adding strong encryption/hashing/whatever to mt passwords. It's just a game after all 21:55 hmmmm because it's hashed along with a random valued salt 21:55 hmmmm and it changes for each logon 21:55 ruskie so a session key or so 21:55 kaeza but that's just my opinion 21:55 hmmmm yeah i guess 21:55 celeron55 ehm 21:55 sokomine yes, kaeza's right 21:56 hmmmm kaeza, the problem is that users use passwords they use on other websites and stuff 21:56 hmmmm like normally i'd agree with you 21:56 sokomine there might be some risk if players use their password elsewhere. but if they do they'll do so at other less secure services as well 21:56 hmmmm but this is human nature :/ 21:56 kaeza nobody is going to store their super secret documents in it 21:56 ruskie I just use low-security disposable PWs for games 21:56 kaeza if you want mine, it's just 1234 21:57 celeron55 good: game passwords: foo1, cat2, asd 21:57 kaeza (for MT) 21:57 celeron55 -: 21:57 hmmmm the problem is that you don't know for sure if they share your same mentality or not 21:57 hmmmm those damn humans are so unreliable 21:57 celeron55 that is exactly why i implemented the hashes in the first place 21:57 celeron55 imagine not having username salted hashes 8) 21:57 hmmmm i wish we could replace them with robots so we can standardize on behavior 21:57 ruskie well I'm a tad more paranoid so it's a bit longer and can haze various crap 21:58 hmmmm but anyway i like my solution 21:58 hmmmm so if i were to do this that's how i'd implement it 21:59 hmmmm it requires more crosstalk between the server and client though 21:59 hmmmm client initializes connection, sends client key, server sends SHA(user specific salt + server key) 22:00 hmmmm then the client logs on by calculating SHA(SHA(password) + client_key + hash_from_server) 22:01 mauvebic simpler solution is to never use the same password twice :p 22:02 hmmmm relying on humans is UB 22:03 mauvebic lol seriously when websites get sick of people like me creating dozens of accounts, they wont require them to do simple things lol 22:03 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55068#p55068 22:03 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis's Server (NO_MAPGEN) (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums 22:03 mauvebic i never chose the same passwords but i rarely remember them either so lol 22:04 markveidemanis !define server 22:04 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: server definition: one that serves food or drink. 22:04 markveidemanis !define waiter 22:04 moltenbot no definition found, try to use 'thinking' 22:05 marktraceur markveidemanis: What did I say about the bots? 22:05 * I dont know 22:05 * I hello 22:05 * I hi 22:06 marktraceur Guest79418: Refrain from flooding the channel in the future. Unmute in ~15 minutes. 22:08 Splizard does anyone here use/used snow mod? 22:09 sokomine for a short time, yes. i'm having problems with mt beeing slow on world generation 22:10 marktraceur john_minetest: Did he PM you? 22:10 marktraceur Interesting. 22:10 leo_rockway Splizard: yes 22:10 marktraceur markveidemanis: I unilaterally muted you because you were misusing the bots and using the channel for inane IRC tests. 22:11 marktraceur markveidemanis: If you have a problem with that, you can PM me directly. 22:18 marktraceur Not an awful idea. 22:18 marktraceur Of course, you could just make such a channel 22:18 marktraceur And ask the bot owner to add the bot to it 22:21 marktraceur john_minetest: I think there's an armour mod. I don't know where it is exactly. 22:21 marktraceur markveidemanis: Unmuted. Welcome back. 22:21 sokomine afaik not yet. taoki wrote something about supporting them in the future? 22:21 marktraceur Dunno, actually, john_minetest. 22:21 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55068#p55068 22:21 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis's Server (NO_MAPGEN) (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums 22:23 markveidemanis can armor mod add overlay textures to the player 22:24 markveidemanis like minec*aft 22:24 marktraceur I don't know, but it doesn't seem obviously possible 22:24 marktraceur I guess you could change the player textures (see also player_textures by IIRC PilzAdam 22:24 marktraceur But I'm not sure how you would. I'm no graphics person. 22:24 markveidemanis http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Armor 22:25 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: Armor - Minecraft Wiki 22:25 markveidemanis could someone make a mod that does the following 22:25 markveidemanis http://wiki.industrial-craft.net/index.php?title=Empty_Booze_Barrel 22:25 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: Empty Booze Barrel - Industrial-Craft-Wiki 22:27 landminebusy Back 22:27 ecube wb 22:27 landminebusy Ty 22:28 markveidemanis http://www.google.im/imgres?q=industrial+craft+beer&num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=512&tbm=isch&tbnid=dzK0qOSxKRgPMM:&imgrefurl=http://52todo.com/category/45-home-brewing/&docid=UN6HDFdlkgkTvM&imgurl=http://52tododotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/img_7818.jpg&w=5616&h=3744&ei=3ZDTUO7-MKWV0QWysYD4Ag&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=606&vpy=178&dur=132&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=164&ty=111&sig=106104872686144412907&page=2&tbnh=141&tbnw=178&st 22:28 markveidemanis whoops 22:28 ecube shpam 22:28 ecube ;) 22:28 ecube haha shit 22:28 landmineog Hi moltenbot 22:28 markveidemanis well, theres google for you :D 22:28 ecube It redirects to google.im 22:28 ecube /imghp 22:29 markveidemanis http://52todo.com/category/45-home-brewing/ found it 22:29 markveidemanis [22:25] could someone make a mod that does the following 22:32 marktraceur markveidemanis: You've asked. Wait. 22:32 markveidemanis is anyone going to go on my server? (to shutdown or to not shutdown, that is the question) 22:32 markveidemanis first one on gets to be admin 22:33 marktraceur markveidemanis: Again, you've asked, just chill. 22:36 sokomine msg vaneessae tell me that location so i may check locally 22:36 marktraceur Heh. 22:36 sokomine sorry...forgot the / 22:36 markveidemanis *cricket chirps 22:36 Uberi :O 22:36 markveidemanis also, name is spelled wrong 22:37 sokomine does the cricket give experience points? :)Ö 22:37 sokomine oh. true 22:37 sokomine well, she might read it anyway :-) 22:37 Uberi crickets drop 1 dead cricket upon death 22:37 Uberi you can eat it but it only restores a half heart 22:38 sokomine well...i better let them cirp then :-) 22:38 markveidemanis hey, first one on my server gets to be admin for the night 22:39 VanessaE ok guys I need an expert here. 22:39 VanessaE if I can borrow someone e.g. uberi, celeron55, etc.. 22:39 marktraceur markveidemanis: Last warning, stop asking. If anyone is interested they'll come. 22:39 VanessaE between now with it apparently working acceptably: http://pastebin.com/feV97z2F and before when it was broken: http://pastebin.com/7JBxJHcR 22:39 moltenbot VanessaE's link: creative_mode = 1 enable_damage = 1 name = VanessaEzekowitz default_privs = - Pastebin.com 22:39 Uberi I'm an expert now? 22:39 Uberi when did that happen? :P 22:39 VanessaE why does the second config file make my server go apeshit but the first does not? 22:40 Uberi :/ 22:40 markveidemanis noclip?? 22:40 VanessaE markveidemanis: fly through walls (used to be the default in early 0.4.4 and prior) 22:40 markveidemanis but is that not "fly", of free_move? 22:41 Uberi noclip was added recently, markveidemanis 22:41 VanessaE markveidemanis: fly lets you fly :-) noclip lets you pass through walls when flying 22:41 kaeza1 hi VanessaE 22:41 VanessaE you need both privs to get the early-0.4.4-and-before behavior. 22:41 VanessaE hey hey kaeza1 22:41 NakedFury what is fast for? 22:41 markveidemanis is that a mod 22:41 Uberi VanessaE: null video driver, perhaps? 22:41 NakedFury we cant run 22:41 kaeza1 what's up? 22:41 VanessaE NakedFury: sprinting e.g. the j/e keys 22:41 Uberi markveidemanis: nah it's in trunk now 22:41 kaeza1 I will enter the server 22:41 Uberi hey kaeza1 22:41 VanessaE kaeza1: go agead 22:41 VanessaE go ahead* 22:42 NakedFury really? j lets you sprint??????? 22:42 markveidemanis its e 22:42 VanessaE NakedFury: running fast = sprinting afaik 22:42 VanessaE use e to actually do it, j just turns it on/off. 22:43 Uberi VanessaE: other than the video driver setting I can't think of anything :/ 22:43 VanessaE Uberi: ok. 22:43 VanessaE celeron55: can you look at those two configs? 22:43 VanessaE celeron55: the server's working nearly perfectly with the stripped-down config. 22:44 Uberi VanessaE: but then again I can't be too sure either way, you're better off doing an elimination test 22:45 Uberi what is the issue with the server? 22:45 markveidemanis so non-noclip is in default now? 22:45 Uberi markveidemanis: apparently 22:45 markveidemanis then i am not updating 22:45 VanessaE Uberi: mapgen failing to either load blocks or send them to the client. 22:46 Uberi VanessaE: oh is it that hanging issue? 22:46 VanessaE yeah 22:46 Uberi there was a mapgen debug setting in there, I think 22:46 Uberi but you probably added that after experiencing the issue, huh 22:47 VanessaE I stripped down my config file to just what's in that first link (except my motd is much longer than seen there - copy&paste error) 22:47 VanessaE Uberi: yes, that was suggested by hmmmm to try to find the issue 22:47 Uberi is the hanging reproducible? 22:47 Uberi can you make it happen by doing something specific? 22:48 sokomine INFO[EmergeThread]: on_generated took 4324ms 22:48 Uberi :O 22:48 sokomine that is for vanessas world with the same mods installed as she has. computer not doing much more than running server + one client (ok, there are other things running as well, but their load is neglible) 22:49 landmineog I 22:49 Uberi landmineog: ! 22:49 Uberi er, OK 22:49 Uberi sokomine: does it happen with a new map? 22:50 sokomine yes; although without mods (vanessas world has a lot installed) it is by factor 10 less 22:51 VanessaE sokomine: ores. 22:53 markveidemanis i am going to bed anyone want my server to stay up? 22:53 markveidemanis no? 22:54 markveidemanis bye 22:54 markveidemanis cya tomorrow 22:54 marktraceur Cod damn it. 22:55 sokomine hm? 22:55 sokomine sleep well 22:58 VanessaE ok... here's the config file with the changes merged into my script. What is commented out is what was missing from the "working" config: http://pastebin.com/8KRxHRdc 22:58 moltenbot VanessaE's link: creative_mode = 1 enable_damage = 1 #video_driver = null name = VanessaEz - Pastebin.com 22:58 VanessaE can someone PLEASE tell me why any of those commented-out options would break it? 22:58 VanessaE and I'm about two seconds from kicking that bot out. 22:59 sokomine if i walk at normal speed in your world, vanessa, it generates fast enough. i see empty space ahead of me, but when i arrive it is ready to walk on. just fast seems too fast for my computer 22:59 sokomine which bot? 22:59 Uberi moltenbot, sokomine 22:59 NakedFury add pastebin to moltenbots ignore urls 22:59 mauvebic imo bots should only say when servers UP/DOWN 22:59 iqualfragile ok… 22:59 VanessaE sokomine: I've always been able to outrun the mapgen in 'fast' mode, even in singleplayer mode on a fresh world with no extra mods. 23:00 mauvebic everything else increases my urge to kill :( 23:00 mauvebic :P 23:00 sokomine ah. moltenbot's still on my igno list after ragnar played with it. the world gets a lot quieter with a bit igno :-) 23:01 Uberi well yeah I can always outrun mapgen when in fast mode 23:01 sokomine thanks :-) so it's not just my computer that is too slow for it 23:01 iqualfragile ragnar… should add him to ignore 23:01 iqualfragile will add him to ignore 23:01 iqualfragile later that day 23:02 sokomine but as i said earlier...it is still way faster than minecraft :-) minecraft can't manage transparent leaves with the same hardware 23:04 sokomine here as well 23:04 mauvebic no point adding ppl to ignore they come back w/ diff names 23:04 NakedFury add /bot ignore [this stupid user] command to only work for bot owner 23:04 sokomine yes, sometimes 23:04 NakedFury easy 23:05 mauvebic we need to track them down, and dispatch a klingon bird of prey 23:05 sokomine make that usable for some regulars in the channel. that could help :-) 23:05 NakedFury nah too mercyful 23:05 NakedFury release the borg on them 23:06 sokomine they'd just capture it, slingshot around a convenient sun, and alter history so that they where never ignored by the bot :-) 23:06 mauvebic though in the irclogs i see these long hostnames you can prolly use that to ban them :P 23:06 kaeza1 VanessaE: remove movestones for now 23:06 kaeza1 or has the crash been fixed? 23:06 Uberi kaeza1: movestones were fixed 23:06 kaeza1 oh ok 23:06 Uberi a few hours ago, in fact 23:06 kaeza1 good 23:06 VanessaE you sure? 23:07 Uberi yeah I saw the commit 23:07 mauvebic map still down? 23:07 VanessaE ok 23:07 VanessaE mauvebic: my server's running normally now with that stripped-down config. 23:07 Uberi VanessaE: but ONLY in the nextgen branch 23:07 Uberi https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commit/f114cb8ddcbb2e007889a6bf45b8b3383c793756 23:07 moltenbot Uberi's link: Fix movestone crash bug ? f114cb8 ? Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons ? GitHub 23:08 KikaRz guys 23:08 KikaRz im going out... 23:08 KikaRz i dont want tomorrow the world end... 23:09 KikaRz Bye people... 23:09 KikaRz If the world ends... Its the end. 23:09 KikaRz bye... <3 23:09 KikaRz i loved you all 23:09 KikaRz VanessaE, you were a good big friend... 23:09 VanessaE hah the world won't end 23:09 KikaRz kaeza1, you too... a special one. 23:09 mauvebic stripped down as in disabling alot of mods/abms? 23:09 kaeza1 huh? 23:09 KikaRz marktraceur, you were a bit special for me... but not only for me. 23:09 kaeza1 oh 23:09 VanessaE now get on my server and play - you have 10-15 mins before the next scheduled restart of the server :-) 23:09 kaeza1 thx 23:09 KikaRz VanessaE, im going out 23:10 marktraceur KikaRz: See you tomorrow! 23:10 kaeza1 and you too KikaRz 23:10 Uberi see you tomorrow KikaRz 23:10 KikaRz Bye everyone... See you tomorrow or... See you in Heaven / Hell. 23:10 kaeza1 see you 23:10 VanessaE nooooo 23:10 Uberi don't do anything too rash, though 23:10 KikaRz Why i said Hell? (i commited many problems and lied many times. 23:10 KikaRz See you all tomorrow. 23:10 Uberi o/ 23:10 kaeza1 in that case I think no one of us is going to heaven KikaRz 23:10 kaeza1 :P 23:10 VanessaE KikaRz: if you are truly sorry for the things you've done and tried to make it right by your diety i.e. G*d or whoever, you'll be fine. 23:11 mauvebic well if youre server is a PITA, you could always WEP most of your stuff and "transplant" to a new map 23:11 VanessaE (besides I don't believe in "hell" anyway 23:11 KikaRz I dont. 23:11 Uberi the great sky potato will be lenient in his judgement 23:11 KikaRz Hell dont exists 23:11 KikaRz neither the nether. 23:11 Uberi ALL HAIL SKY SPUD 23:11 mauvebic my gods are dead 23:12 marktraceur KikaRz: See you in /dev/null 23:12 mauvebic ancient klingons and al... 23:12 KikaRz no marktraceur, see you in TMP. 23:12 marktraceur Ugh, nobody wants to be in /tmp 23:12 mauvebic thats because flash doesnt store anything there anymore 23:12 marktraceur I guess it might be worse to be in /opt 23:12 VanessaE ok, make that more like 3 minutes - server restarted with the latest build 23:13 Uberi /tmp is the purgatory that files go through to be cleansed before being able to pass on to /dev/null 23:13 KikaRz Now:http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=155 23:13 KikaRz !c 23 - 17 23:13 Minetest-tan 6 23:13 Uberi KikaRz: say what time does the world supposedly end 23:13 mauvebic '/opt has return to castle woflenstein at least 23:13 KikaRz ok... in 6 hours, the world ends. 23:13 KikaRz so... at 5 AM, 23:13 Octupus Hi 23:13 Uberi GMT I mean 23:13 KittenGNU 6 AM here. 23:13 Uberi hey Octupus 23:13 KikaRz Uberi, 5 AM in (GMT) 23:13 kaeza1 !date Uruguay 23:14 kaeza1 ? 23:14 Uberi ah 23:14 KikaRz !date Portugal 23:14 marktraceur Yea, and on the day of the end, the Child Process shall return and `mv * /tmp` where it then shall `sort` the worthy from the unworthy, running `mv * /home` for the former and `mv * /dev/null` for the latter. 23:14 Uberi bwahahaha 23:15 KikaRz marktraceur 23:15 Uberi ls `yes` 23:15 KikaRz i'll move Portugal to /dev/null 23:15 KikaRz so... 23:15 KikaRz and moving World to /home 23:15 KikaRz and me and my family to /root 23:15 kaeza1 marktraceur: all hail master `init'! creator if it all 23:15 KikaRz http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=155 23:15 ecube Why to root though? 23:16 Uberi to be closer to our origin 23:16 KikaRz Look the weather 23:16 KikaRz Night: 4ºC 23:16 KikaRz Morning: 3ºC 23:16 KikaRz Afternoon 20ºC 23:16 mauvebic damn 23:16 KikaRz no signals of end of world 23:16 mauvebic sounds nice 23:16 sokomine oh...if the files could but sort themshelves...that would be great :-) all those you never going to need again removing themshelves...and the other sorting into helpful directories.... 23:16 marktraceur kaeza1: And lo, the UNIXites did listen, and a voice came from the processor. "Hear me now, ye users. For I am upstart, and I am your new creator! Cast aside thy init-worship and instead worship me, for I am thy saviour!" 23:16 mauvebic im freezing my asterisk out here 23:17 mauvebic i even did my back in shovelling snow lol 23:18 KikaRz well 23:18 KikaRz people 23:18 KikaRz see you in heaven. 23:18 Uberi marktraceur: worship not the false idol of sysinit, or face eternal damnation in the pits of /dev/null! 23:18 KikaRz ly all! <3 23:20 mauvebic eternal damnation is updating binary graphics drivers lol 23:20 mauvebic many such occasions have nearly driven me to suicide 23:20 FreeFull Eternal damnation is not having package management in place 23:20 marktraceur AKA "the 1980s" 23:20 Uberi the unworthy files must install binary graphics drivers for an eternity 23:21 mauvebic why has no one thought of arch linux + synaptic? i would pay for that 23:21 NakedFury I think Eternal Damnation is vaporware. abandoned in the 8 da, the developer got lazy 23:21 marktraceur mauvebic: Largely the point of having different distros is to have different package management, and different repositories. 23:21 mauvebic i think distros are more than package management 23:21 mauvebic xfce isnt the same on ubuntu as it is on arch 23:22 marktraceur Well right, they have different versions. 23:22 mauvebic ubuntu for starters patches way more stuff than the other distros 23:22 kaeza eternal damnation is running a suid root web browser 23:22 mauvebic which is often why things just dont work these days lol 23:22 FreeFull Debian does quite a bit of patchiing 23:22 marktraceur So probably the better way to go would be to take Debian, change the versions of packages, and release it as Debiarch GNU/Linux 23:22 Uberi or use Bedrock as the base 23:22 FreeFull Gentoo is mostly whatever you want it to be 23:23 mauvebic i like archbang cuz' you start with your very basic desktop and build up from there 23:23 mauvebic ubuntu is + 6 hours of removing crap 23:23 FreeFull mauvebic: I like Arch because you start with your basic almost nothing and build up from there 23:23 * marktraceur keeps meaning to move to Parabola. Bugger of a hard time, though. 23:23 Uberi mauvebic: nah I spent over 15 hours removing :P 23:24 kaeza FreeFull: but arch is no good for the user making a switch from Win 23:24 FreeFull True 23:24 mauvebic im not such an enthusiast that i would start with pure arch though lol 23:24 kaeza they just want to start right away 23:24 mauvebic but i like how many of the packages on arch do work 23:24 FreeFull I personally started with SuSE 23:24 FreeFull But then, my first ever OS was MS-DOS 23:24 kaeza me with Puppy 23:24 mauvebic which was a problem on buntu when something was slightly old (+6 months) 23:25 kaeza and Win95 23:26 mauvebic and in ubuntu filing bug reports is pointless because in six months theyll have removed the packages anyhow lol 23:26 FreeFull Arch means maintenance isn't done for you by the distro people 23:26 FreeFull You have to merge some changes yourself 23:26 mauvebic no but arch + synaptic would make maintenance easier 23:26 FreeFull Mostly just config stuff though 23:27 shaun__ Chakara 23:27 shaun__ Arch with desktop already. 23:27 kaeza Arch is good though, for when you want to have almost total control over your OS 23:27 mauvebic well, a synaptic-like frontend for pacman... 23:27 shaun__ qt-applet is good frontend for pacman. 23:28 mauvebic didnt work for me 23:28 mauvebic none of the frontends have worked for me (all 3) lol 23:28 shaun__ Its resource hungry and can't cope with major changes. 23:28 kaeza shaagreed 23:28 kaeza fuck tab completion 23:29 kaeza shaun_ ^ 23:29 kaeza agreed 23:29 mauvebic though i think overall, arch is on better track than 'buntu 23:29 mauvebic i have old P4's to think about lol 23:29 shaun__ But all in all. I am very unpleased with the help you get in Arch channel. 23:29 kaeza mauvebic: you can run Puppy Linux out of a P2 lol 23:29 mauvebic arch on my P4 or the dualcore works nicely for both 23:30 kaeza you need only 32MB 23:30 kaeza of RAM 23:30 mauvebic arch help is no worse than any other distro, they say FIY 23:30 mauvebic or they refer you to a post from a year ago that doesnt apply lol 23:30 kaeza FOSS help sucks 23:30 mauvebic problem is noone's paid 23:31 kaeza yeh 23:31 shaun__ The help I see people giving in this channel is grade A compared to the grade y you get in arch channels. 23:31 mauvebic try finding someone with the same problem at the same time as you 23:31 kaeza so basically you get the help you paid for lol 23:31 mauvebic but FOSS OS's is built on the principal that you fix the problem yourself and share the patch 23:32 mauvebic though advertising to average PC users doesn't really fit into that 23:32 mauvebic if you have a problem you can't be average anymore lol 23:32 kaeza tell me of an average Win user that knows about command line and fixing things for yourself? 23:33 mauvebic knowing dos definately helps for first time linux users 23:33 mauvebic i would have been lost in the terminal otherwise 23:33 kaeza that does not happen too often with the average *nix user 23:33 kaeza lol 23:33 kaeza right 23:33 mauvebic over-reliance on GUI's is a problem.. 23:33 kaeza I used to use MD to create dirs on windows 23:34 kaeza no right-click->new->floder 23:34 mauvebic hell the first graphical OS i saw was window 3 23:34 mauvebic i nearly shat myself (then) 23:34 mauvebic color monitors was another milestone lol 23:35 kaeza lol right 23:35 mauvebic 14 and 28K modems 23:35 kaeza who had hard drives then? lol 23:35 mauvebic obviously someone like me doesn't need GUIs for everything lol 23:35 shaun__ I did. About 100mb drives. 23:36 kaeza yeh 23:36 kaeza but they were pretty expensive 23:36 shaun__ Yea. 23:36 kaeza they literally throw 80GB drives at you now 23:36 mauvebic 15 ~ 20 years ago you'd paid 2K for a shitty computer lol 23:37 shaun__ Heh...Can still pay that if your not careful. 23:37 mauvebic old people pay that to check lottery results 23:37 shaun__ Gahh...buntu wants reboot. brb. 23:37 mauvebic thats only cuz their kids dont go with them 23:37 kaeza reboot? 23:38 kaeza back on DOS era you were stuck with floppies 23:38 mauvebic reboot? p4 going on 17 days uptime lol 23:38 mauvebic i still remember all the sex jokes about floppies... over and over 23:38 kaeza hehe 23:39 mauvebic then it was discs... 23:39 mauvebic at least you cant compare a thumb drive to anything unless your very unfortunate 23:40 kaeza lol I remember when having an 8x CDROM drive was cool 23:40 Aqua Hi 23:40 kaeza hey Aqua 23:40 mauvebic when myst was *the* shit lol 23:40 Aqua hey kaeza have you played my map? 23:40 mauvebic though 90s music was as bad then as it is now 23:41 kaeza Aqua: update? 23:41 Aqua http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4153 23:41 kaeza mauvebic: think of JB and you'll regret about that comment 23:41 mauvebic then of course there was celine dion in my country, we all expected the appocalypse there and then 23:41 kaeza hehe 23:41 Aqua I'm gonna make a map bout apocalypse maybe because today the world is ending 23:42 kaeza It seems Link has not found Majora's mask yet 23:42 kaeza so yep 23:42 mauvebic im still looking for the sword of kahless 23:42 mauvebic i have the shroud 23:43 kaeza I'm still stuck in the beginning :( 23:43 mauvebic im lost 23:43 kaeza ? 23:43 * mauvebic breaks out the palm beacons 23:45 kaeza Aqua: checking 23:46 kaeza Aqua: does it come with the mods as I suggested? 23:49 Aqua which mods? 23:49 Aqua Oh sadly no 23:49 Aqua I forgot how to do it 23:49 KikaRz Breaking news... 23:50 KikaRz 10 minutes left for B'ak'tun era finished 23:50 Uberi did the world end prematurely? 23:50 KikaRz in GMT 23:50 KikaRz http://worldends.in/ 23:50 Uberi man, I didn't get the memo 23:50 Uberi y'all should tell me sooner before ending the world like that 23:51 KikaRz 9 minutes. 23:51 mauvebic according to star trek our world would end in a conflict between the west and a coalition of the east :p 23:51 Uberi KikaRz: wait what does that mean, ends in GMT? 23:51 Octupus I'm gonna make a map bout apocalypse maybe because today the world is ending 23:52 Octupus NO Aqua NO 23:52 KikaRz 8 minutes left 23:52 KikaRz No Uberi 23:52 mauvebic im gonna nuke the first city on my map :D 23:52 Aqua I neraly finished my map..... 23:52 Aqua you know the movie 2012? 23:52 KikaRz no 23:52 KikaRz that movie sucks 23:52 KikaRz 7 minutes left 23:53 Uberi that movie had some alright visual effects 23:53 KikaRz my mom is telling me to go to bed... 23:53 KikaRz im getting more afraid... 23:53 Uberi and bring the flashlights and rations with you 23:54 KikaRz 6 minutes left 23:54 Aqua When i grow up(if i do) i'll show my children that movie and tell them i survived that 23:54 Octupus il be watching tv in the next 6 minutes :D 23:54 KikaRz 5 minutes left 23:55 KikaRz Wrong Octupus, just 5 23:55 Uberi eh I think I'll chill out while the world supposedly ends 23:55 VanessaE haha 23:55 Octupus IL STIL BE WATCHING TV 23:56 VanessaE as I said before, grab a bag of popcorn, go sit at your laptop or PC, play some minetest, and let the world pass you by for the next day or so. 23:56 Aqua IM IN MY BUNKER 23:56 * Uberi goes off to play some AoS 23:56 Aqua 3 MINS GUYS 23:56 Aqua AND GIRLS 23:56 marktraceur For UTC, maybe 23:57 Uberi wait what time zone is the right one 23:57 Octupus VanessaE: im eating that cereal :) 23:57 VanessaE EST of course. 23:57 KikaRz 2:30!!! 23:57 Uberi I don't wanna listen to people saying, "seriously guys, it's in THAT time zone" for the next day 23:57 VanessaE doesn't the whole world go by US eastern time? :-) 23:57 marktraceur Uberi: Central/Yucatan time seems to make sense to most people. 23:57 KikaRz 2 Minutes left... 23:57 Uberi but they didn't even HAVE time zones back then 23:58 KikaRz AFRAID!!! 23:58 marktraceur Uberi: Yeah they did, they just didn't know about there being more than one. 23:58 KikaRz Uberi, which one? 23:58 VanessaE nothing's gonna happen, KikaRz. 23:58 KikaRz ALERT: 1 minute and 30 seconds left. Core corruption at 79% 23:58 Uberi marktraceur: well yeah I suppose you could put it that way 23:58 Aqua Did you know the calendar starts again after the blank? 23:59 Uberi coool 23:59 Aqua Which means some people survives 23:59 VanessaE I/O error reading /tmp/mayan-calendar.sh: unexpected EOF 23:59 Aqua and starts a new world 23:59 Uberi Generating Terrain... 23:59 Aqua 30 23:59 Aqua 25 23:59 marktraceur I mean it's not like you could say "Dear mama, I'm writing you at 12:30. What time is it there?", you'd get a response three weeks later like "It was nary but 13:00 when the postman arrived, dear!"