Time  Nick             Message
00:00 ecube            ohh, nice
00:01 kaeza            this is after removing a single node: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1058913431.png
00:03 ecube            ;)
00:07 khonkhortisan    sand does that on redcrab
00:09 jin_xi           VanessaE: skin changing works here
00:11 jin_xi           http://pastebin.com/jdq1a9sX used this chat command in player.lua and a modified skin
00:11 jin_xi           it changes it for all players atm
00:11 jin_xi           but that is fixable
00:11 VanessaE         oh good
00:12 VanessaE         let's make sure it's compatible with the naming scheme used by player_textures
00:12 VanessaE         this is looking really food.
00:12 VanessaE         good.
00:13 VanessaE         :-)
00:16 kaeza            heh V you still hungry?
00:16 kaeza            :D
00:16 kaeza            where do I put that code?
00:16 kaeza            oh nevermind
00:18 jin_xi           you probably should not put it anywhere...
00:18 jin_xi           its just a test case
00:20 VanessaE         kaeza: nope, not even :-)
00:23 VanessaE         kaeza1: not even close to hungry now :-)
00:23 kaeza1           <VanessaE>this is looking really food
00:23 kaeza1           lol
00:23 VanessaE         lol
00:24 kaeza1           hmm... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1060658419.jpg
00:24 VanessaE         Freudian slip? ;)
00:24 kaeza1           right :P
00:24 VanessaE         kaeza1: challenge accepted? :-)
00:24 kaeza1           you bet
00:24 kaeza1           just a moment please...
00:27 kaeza1           LOL https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1061036812.jpg
00:27 iqualfragile     well, i guess its great to have an 3D-Model for the player now
00:28 iqualfragile     i hope that the Animal-mods will use some, too
00:28 kaeza1           iqualfragile: agreed
00:30 VanessaE         there, my server is now at the very latest git commit.
00:30 kaeza            was there a new commit?
00:30 VanessaE         just some minor stuff, new glass breaking sound
00:30 VanessaE         nothing major
00:31 VanessaE         Taoki: I'm going to wait on your branch until you and c55 push it to main so I don't have to maintain two servers :-)
00:31 VanessaE         (translation:  I get lost easily)
00:32 jin_xi           meanwhile: http://www.sea-of-memes.com/LetsCode72/LetsCode72.html
00:33 kaeza            8O
00:48 VanessaE         there, fine.  If f10 is gonna crash I'll make my own chat history.  tail -f ~/.minetest/debug.txt|grep -i chat
00:48 kaeza            cool cave entrance https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1062266507.jpg
00:48 kaeza            how is f10 crashing?
00:49 VanessaE         segfault I guess.
00:49 VanessaE         celeron55 blames it on irrlicht
00:49 kaeza            it's not crashing for me
00:49 kaeza            weird
00:51 VanessaE         in linux the F10 console is very unstable
00:51 VanessaE         crashes about 8/10 times.
00:52 kaeza            I've hit f10 like 200 times and nothing is happening
00:52 kaeza            I mean, it just shows the chat window
00:52 VanessaE         huh.
00:52 VanessaE         windows?
00:52 kaeza            console*
00:52 kaeza            whatever
00:52 kaeza            https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/mt-chat-window.jpg
00:53 VanessaE         Hm.  ubuntu.  wonder why it's so stable for you but breaks for everyone else to often?
00:54 kaeza            Maybe it has something to do with the fact that on some OSes F10 is the key to bring the menu?
00:55 VanessaE         beats me.
00:56 kaeza            It happened on my old PC with an NVidia card that stealing the focus to an app at almost the same time the app goes fullscreen crashed the entire system
00:56 VanessaE         for me, MT will crash if I take focus away from it at the wrong moment.
00:56 VanessaE         (ATI gfx here)
00:57 kaeza            I'm using Intel i965 (I think)
00:57 VanessaE         therre's a window of crash risk toward the end of the "loading media" screen, from there till a few seconds into the black screen that follows.
00:57 iqualfragile     i have never had any kind of problem with f10 either
00:57 VanessaE         if I take focus from the MT window during that time, and I'm going onto a server at the time, it'll crash at the moment it's supposed to switch to the black screen
00:59 kaeza            now that you mention it, it did for me a few times
01:00 kaeza            the crash on the black screen
01:00 VanessaE         yup
01:01 VanessaE         on that topic, I really *really* wish someone would push an update to the client to let us see the textures being rendered like some windows users get to see.  at least that's some kind of activity.
01:01 kaeza            +1000
01:03 VanessaE         where "us" of course means "us linux obessives :D"
01:04 kaeza            it seems windows has impressive gfx capabilities http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/can-your-mac-do-this.jpg
01:04 kaeza            :D
01:05 iqualfragile     sea of memes is getting quite interesting recently
01:05 Octupus          lalala im griefing :)
01:06 iqualfragile     vanessae: do you referr to the litle block on the lover left hand corner at loading-time?
01:07 VanessaE         iqualfragile: I guess so, I never see it since I'm in linux.
01:07 VanessaE         but most win users see it as a side effect of something irrlicht does
01:07 iqualfragile     its not because you are on linux
01:07 iqualfragile     im on linux, too and i do see that one
01:08 iqualfragile     well, actualy its more like a reskinned windows vista
01:08 VanessaE         I never see it.
01:09 Octupus          Landmine if u are here dont die on the griefing server KAY
01:09 Octupus          because u will never get out :D
01:09 iqualfragile     night guys
01:10 VanessaE         night iqualfragile
01:10 kaeza            hight
01:10 kaeza            night*
01:10 Octupus          night iqualfragile
01:10 kaeza            Hey octo, where are you playing?
01:11 Octupus          a griefing server
01:11 Octupus          u want the ip
01:11 kaeza            sounds fun
01:12 Octupus          u can be on my clan
01:12 kaeza            yes please
01:12 Octupus          i griefed $ houses today
01:12 Octupus           4
01:12 kaeza            $ houses? lol
01:12 kaeza            for me that's 0 houses
01:12 kaeza            i.e: $ == 0
01:12 kaeza            IP plz
01:26 * OldCoder       is on a short break
01:30 Octupus          ok i done with griefing that server for awhile
01:31 Octupus          gtg bye guys
01:41 VanessaE         wb
01:41 kaeza            thx :)
01:41 kaeza            missed anything?
01:41 VanessaE         nope
01:42 kaeza            I just been playing on Octupus server' and it happens the same as in your server
01:43 VanessaE         well at least it isn't unique to me :-)
01:43 kaeza            maybe it's me
01:43 VanessaE         the old server at minetest.ru:30001 or whatever it was, was laggy as hell too, and it had anti-cheat enabled
01:43 kaeza            hm..
01:44 kaeza            Is ping a reliable command?
01:45 VanessaE         usually.
01:45 kaeza            just testing something
01:45 VanessaE         reliable enough to get some idea of the latency of a connection
01:45 VanessaE         (or whether or not it's live)
01:45 kaeza            your server is up?
01:45 kaeza            gonna try if it works
01:45 VanessaE         it is up, yes
01:45 VanessaE         lemme sign in
01:46 VanessaE         ok, I'm on.
01:46 kaeza            wait
01:46 kaeza            what was your ip again?
01:47 VanessaE         24.181.193.82 port 30000
01:48 kaeza            ~/Descargas/celeron55-minetest-4fa4340$ ping 24.181.193.82
01:48 kaeza            PING 24.181.193.82 (24.181.193.82) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:48 kaeza            64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=1 ttl=49 time=587 ms
01:48 kaeza            64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=2 ttl=49 time=296 ms
01:48 kaeza            64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=3 ttl=49 time=556 ms
01:48 kaeza            64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=4 ttl=49 time=555 ms
01:48 kaeza            64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=5 ttl=49 time=1025 ms18 packets transmitted, 17 received, 5% packet loss, time 17016ms
01:48 kaeza            rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 279.757/769.761/1847.494/432.312 ms, pipe 2
01:48 VanessaE         OUCH
01:49 kaeza            this is bad
01:49 VanessaE         celeron55: you seeing this?
01:51 kaeza            does that help at all?
01:52 VanessaE         how the hell am I supposed to fix THAT?
01:56 kaeza            oh well. I guess I'll have to play locally :(
01:56 kaeza            It's not your fault V
01:57 VanessaE         I know
01:57 kaeza            It's just my crappy ISP
01:57 VanessaE         yeah but if you can fetch a web page at a decent rate, I should be able to serve minetest data at a good rate too
01:57 VanessaE         to you anyway
01:58 kaeza            IDK, today I had to wait 10 secs for Facebook to load
01:58 VanessaE         yeah well that's facebook ;)
01:58 kaeza            yeah :)
01:58 kaeza            I guess
01:58 Kacey            hello
01:58 kaeza            hey Kacey
01:58 Kacey            hows it going
01:59 kaeza            fine
01:59 kaeza            how's the nuclear disaster map going?
01:59 Kacey            well today during school, i decided to write down a mod
01:59 kaeza            cool
01:59 Kacey            ooh it became an adventure map and it is on my other computer
02:01 Kacey            writing the time mod so partial afk
02:02 kaeza            LOL I'm the time travel master: 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=4 ttl=49 time=-1 ms
02:02 VanessaE         lol
02:02 Kacey            wow
02:02 VanessaE         neko
02:02 kaeza            does that mean i got the packet before i sent the request?
02:03 kaeza            hey neko
02:03 NekoGloop        What do you want?
02:03 VanessaE         kaeza: more likely somewhere along the way the packet got munged :-)
02:03 kaeza            O_o
02:03 VanessaE         NekoGloop: um.. hi? :-)
02:03 Kacey            lol i get that all the time on my phone
02:03 NekoGloop        Was there someone asking for me or something?
02:03 VanessaE         not that I saw?
02:04 Kacey            nope
02:04 kaeza            nope
02:04 kaeza            <NekoGloop> FOREVER ALONE!
02:04 VanessaE         neko: minetest 0.4.4, 24.181.193.82, port 30000 - give me a skin to use for you and sign on when I say, and get busy building :D
02:04 Kacey            0.4.4? all ready?!?!
02:04 NekoGloop        I'd still have to scrounge up 0.44
02:04 NekoGloop        0.4.4*
02:04 kaeza            yup
02:05 VanessaE         Kacey: yep.  released yesterday, some bugfixes added today.
02:05 kaeza            with 3D players YAY!
02:05 Kacey            where do i download this magical version?
02:05 kaeza            compile
02:05 kaeza            :)
02:05 Kacey            3D PLAYERS!!!!!!
02:05 VanessaE         kaeza: from sources. :-)
02:05 Kacey            i cannot compile on windows
02:05 VanessaE         https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
02:05 VanessaE         https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commits/master
02:05 NekoGloop        VanessaE: Nothin' like a mistab.
02:06 VanessaE         meh
02:06 VanessaE         click on "code" :-0
02:06 VanessaE         :-)
02:06 Kacey            ooh wait i have a vm for compiling
02:06 kaeza            I don't know if it can be cross-compiled from my machine, but if I could I'd do it for you
02:06 Kacey            teamviewer
02:06 NekoGloop        Teamviewer is crap.
02:07 Kacey            but it works for compiling noobs
02:07 VanessaE         or just wait a couple of days
02:07 Kacey            like me
02:07 kaeza            listen to NekoGloop
02:07 kaeza            he's tha man
02:07 VanessaE         3d players' hats have been implemented and will be pushed to master ^^^^ soon.
02:07 kaeza            umm... or woman?
02:07 NekoGloop        Try nekoshounen; catboy. :3
02:07 Kacey            a couple of days?!?!?!?!?! O.o that is like a month in teenager years
02:08 kaeza            lol
02:08 VanessaE         Kacey: well if you don't give a shit about players' hats, grab the sources now :D
02:08 kaeza            Kacey: try VirtualBox
02:08 NekoGloop        VanessaE: I'd rather wait.
02:08 Kacey            i have a vm but that is linux and it doesnt transfer
02:08 kaeza            or if you feel a bit lucky, DL a linux distro and setup a dual-boot system
02:08 Kacey            back to windows
02:10 kaeza            I have a cross compiler Linux -> MinGW32
02:10 OldCoder         Windows is Sindows :p
02:10 kaeza            Shitdows :)
02:10 Kacey            well i didnt choose my os
02:11 Kacey            winshit
02:11 kaeza            that is your RIGHT
02:11 NekoGloop        Shitnix.
02:11 Kacey            not really i didnt choose my computer
02:11 OldCoder         NekoGloop, sorry; I didn't mean to start that
02:11 kaeza            wat
02:11 OldCoder         kaeza, Kacey Leave Windows alone; I shouldn't have started that
02:11 OldCoder         To each their own
02:11 kaeza            k J&K
02:11 kaeza            J/K
02:11 OldCoder         Yes
02:12 OldCoder         Kacey, I just dropped back in
02:12 NekoGloop        If i want what i paid for, then let me have it.
02:12 OldCoder         What problem are you having?
02:12 Kacey            oldcoder can you teach me how to compile with MinGW?
02:12 OldCoder         NekoGloop, I agree
02:12 OldCoder         Kacey, Yes
02:12 OldCoder         I can
02:12 Kacey            k pm please
02:12 OldCoder         I can provide scripts etc.
02:12 OldCoder         Kacey, No need
02:12 OldCoder         Kacey, I am unable to do much for a while longer
02:12 NekoGloop        Such as the technic pack for minecraft.
02:13 Kacey            ooh ok well let me finish this tool and get the latest version of minetest
02:13 OldCoder         I expect to straighten things out and post everything
02:13 NekoGloop        If i paid for minecraft, i have every right to use its modifications as well.
02:13 kaeza            NekoGloop: +1
02:13 Kacey            same ^
02:14 * NekoGloop      shuffles his deck of +1's
02:14 * kaeza          has lol'd
02:14 * Kacey          shuffles across the floor to lmfao
02:15 NekoGloop        Seriously, i just utter a pearl of wisdom in #minecraft and i get +10000000 :3
02:15 OldCoder         Hmm?
02:15 Kacey            lol same in the school for me
02:15 OldCoder         That is a big number
02:15 NekoGloop        Yeup.
02:15 kaeza            hey! I just told a n008 how to start a program on Y! answers and got best answer
02:16 Kacey            lol
02:16 VanessaE         kaeza: Achievement Unlocked - you receive 1000 internets.
02:16 VanessaE         :D
02:16 Kacey            what do i download? i see WAY too many things here
02:16 * kaeza          welcomes all to the Internet, where people know how to chat but don't know how to start a F*CKING program
02:16 Kacey            lolz
02:17 kaeza            VanessaE: thanks :)
02:17 Kacey            is it bump version to 0.4.4 or something like that?
02:17 NekoGloop        Off-topic: i just made a jetpack in minecraft technic woot!
02:18 VanessaE         Kacey: it was.  but there are more commits after that.
02:18 VanessaE         Kacey: the latest just past 0.4.4 has several bug fixes.
02:18 Kacey            so what do i download
02:18 NekoGloop        Jetpack + portalgun mod's long fall boots = wheee~~
02:18 kaeza            NekoGloop: any chance to get this to MT?
02:18 VanessaE         Kacey: nothing.  you don't know how to handle compiling from github, so better you should wait for someone to package latest git for you.
02:18 NekoGloop        kaeza: I mean ingame, i dont know a lick of java and my lua skills suck.
02:19 kaeza            hm...
02:19 kaeza            It would be cool to see this
02:19 NekoGloop        We'd need equipment first likely.
02:19 Kacey            i can compile with oldcoder's help but i need to know what to download
02:19 kaeza            for servers that don't allow free move
02:20 kaeza            Kacey: go to the main github page
02:20 NakedFury        ill wait for oldcoders compiled version
02:20 VanessaE         Kacey: fetch the very latest sources from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest and https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
02:20 kaeza            what was it again?
02:20 VanessaE         compile them.
02:20 kaeza            yep that is
02:20 kaeza            and hit the "ZIP" button at the top of the file list
02:20 NakedFury        do we have 3d armor for characters already?
02:20 Kacey            what file of them do i download?!?!
02:21 Kacey            ok found it
02:21 NekoGloop        NakedFury: No.
02:21 kaeza            ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?
02:21 VanessaE         NakedFury: no, but we have good 3d players that use minecraft skins :-)
02:21 VanessaE         Kacey: stop.
02:21 NekoGloop        The headwear from the minecraft skin format is implemented.
02:21 Kacey            i found it
02:21 kaeza            Kacey: go to https://github.com/celeron55/minetest in your browser, and hit the "ZIP" button!
02:21 NakedFury        ok. so minetest is going with minecraft models for good or just as placeholder for now?
02:21 kaeza            oh nevermind
02:21 VanessaE         Kacey: read this IN DETAIL.   https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L78
02:22 kaeza            this  ^
02:22 OldCoder         R
02:22 OldCoder         Kacey, I may be able to start over with all of this around December 1
02:22 Kacey            start over?
02:23 OldCoder         Not bad
02:23 OldCoder         Catch up
02:23 OldCoder         If that sounds better
02:23 Kacey            ooh
02:23 OldCoder         Things have gotten a bit crazy recently
02:23 Kacey            lol
02:23 * OldCoder       shrugs
02:23 OldCoder         O_o :p
02:24 NekoGloop        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Umd-2moT3Y
02:24 Kacey            ooh boy this cold be bad...
02:24 NakedFury        OldCoder no problem, we can wait
02:25 OldCoder         NakedFury, ty
02:25 OldCoder         Kacey, sorry to hear it
02:27 kaeza            can somebody please post a link to a precompiled Irrlicht package for MinGW32?
02:28 kaeza            oh found it!
02:29 VanessaE         kaeza: you can build against irrlicht source also
02:29 kaeza            yes
02:29 VanessaE         I did that once under Ubuntu Intrepid
02:29 kaeza            i'm currently DL'gin
02:29 VanessaE         (as a test)
02:29 kaeza            ing*
02:30 kaeza            I have cross-compilation support in my game, Legend of Cosmo
02:30 kaeza            out of the box
02:30 Kacey_           sorry computer went stupid
02:30 kaeza            lol
02:30 kaeza            there you go
02:31 kaeza            :)
02:31 Kacey            well that sucke
02:31 kaeza            WOW I think I'll take a look at this Irrlicht thing
02:31 Kacey            heey
02:31 aggies           sup
02:31 kaeza            seems fun :)
02:31 kaeza            hi
02:32 Kacey            lol soooo much stuff today
02:32 aggies           who all is on
02:32 Kacey            this is aggies, my brother
02:32 Kacey            look on the left side
02:32 * Kacey          slaps aggies with a rainbow trout
02:32 kaeza            I suck at 3D coding
02:33 Kacey            lolz
02:33 kaeza            trigonometry and such things
02:33 Kacey            lolz
02:33 * aggies         slap Kacey in the face with globe
02:33 Kacey            downloading minetest_game now
02:33 * Kacey          slaps aggies with a big red brick
02:33 Kacey            i have a slap button
02:34 * NekoGloop      slaps NekoGloop-- owie.
02:34 * kaeza          slaps both Kacey and aggies
02:34 Kacey            i hate when that happens lol
02:34 * aggies         slaps Kacey in the face with the world
02:34 * Kacey          ducks
02:34 * aggies         jumps
02:34 kaeza            YAY! slapwar!
02:35 * Kacey          slaps kaeza with a rainbow trout
02:35 Kacey            i win
02:35 * aggies         slaps Kacey with his laptop
02:35 * Kacey          slaps aggies with Bill Gates' wallet
02:35 * kaeza          takes out a BFG9000: you're all fucked
02:35 * VanessaE       clobbers Kacey over the head with a 30kg soaking-wet Programmer's Reference Guide for Linux Super-Geeks
02:36 * Kacey          slaps VanessaE with the Microsoft user guide
02:36 * aggies         slaps Kacey with an atom bomb
02:36 VanessaE         oh wow, one whole page :-)
02:36 Kacey            lol not this one
02:36 VanessaE         (which reads "Point and drool." )
02:36 * VanessaE       ducks
02:36 Kacey            thickest book i have ever seen
02:36 * kaeza          is questioning if there can be a 30KG book for Linux, since all books are at least 50KG
02:37 * sokomine       showes everyone fighting into one of the arenas to make some young players who like to fight happy :-)
02:37 * aggies         jumps onto Kacey and brings him down
02:37 * Kacey          slaps kaeza with the Wrld Dictionary
02:37 NekoGloop        VanessaE: Nope.
02:37 NekoGloop        It reads "Bing it"
02:37 sokomine         oh no! the microsoft user guide is a violation of the geneve convention!
02:37 Kacey            wow that failed it was supposed to say World
02:37 * aggies         slaps kaeza with steve hawkings wheelchair
02:38 * kaeza          takes the chair: WHEEE!
02:38 * Kacey          hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:38 VanessaE         NekoGloop:  oh, right.
02:39 * aggies         throws NekoGloop to the moon
02:39 NekoGloop        Spaaaaaaaaaaccccccceeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
02:39 kaeza            NekoGloop: lol
02:39 NekoGloop        /spacecore
02:39 Kacey            guess how long it took aggies to come up with that
02:40 * aggies         took a couple of seconds i was afk for a min
02:40 Kacey            /me hits everybody with SPELL-CHECK
02:40 * sokomine       hopes that nekogloop builds a base on the moon
02:40 aggies           fail
02:40 Kacey            wtf?!?!?!?!
02:40 * Kacey          hits everybody with SPELL-CHECK
02:40 kaeza            Internet not working, Suggest help from the internet -- Scumbag MS Windows
02:40 * NekoGloop      spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccceeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
02:40 Kacey            aah un needed space
02:40 * NekoGloop      is now the portal 2 space core.
02:41 * NekoGloop      what have you done.
02:41 * aggies         throw kaeza to the heliosphere
02:41 * Kacey          is secretly Chuck Norris
02:41 * aggies         is secretly bruce lee
02:42 * Kacey          hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:42 kaeza            Yeah, Bruce Lee kicked Chuck's ass HARD!
02:42 Kacey            until Bruce died
02:42 NekoGloop        ...
02:42 NekoGloop        I'm in space... I'm in space...
02:42 Kacey            aggies: GET THE HINT!!!!!
02:42 NekoGloop        SPAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIICCCCEEEEE~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!
02:43 Kacey            anyone remember my bot?
02:43 kaeza            spaice?
02:43 sokomine         don't fall off the map :-)
02:43 * aggies         bring NekoGloop back to earth
02:43 kaeza            lol NekoGloop is at (0,32000,0)
02:43 * NekoGloop      feverishly mutters about space
02:43 * aggies         is on roof of house
02:43 * Kacey          hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:44 * aggies         drive skidstere into haystack
02:44 kaeza            wat
02:44 * Kacey          hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:44 Kacey            he can't spell
02:45 * aggies         hits Kacey in face with spell check
02:45 * Kacey          hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:45 Kacey            and it annoys him
02:45 * NekoGloop      randomly shoots a portal above and at the feet of Kacey
02:45 NekoGloop        Infinite loop now!
02:45 Kacey            WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
02:45 * aggies         in SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEE
02:45 NekoGloop        aggies: :(
02:45 * Kacey          hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:46 Kacey            OldCoder?
02:46 * aggies         says what
02:46 * Kacey          slaps aggies with a big red brick
02:46 * aggies         is a hobbit
02:47 Kacey            /me likes purple
02:47 * sokomine       waits until kacey hits three more times so that a brick block can be crafted
02:47 OldCoder         Kacey, All right
02:47 kaeza            Kacey: fail
02:47 OldCoder         Purple. Noted.
02:47 Kacey            lol
02:47 OldCoder         Hobbits are habits.
02:47 * aggies         like blue
02:47 Kacey            that didnt work like i wanted
02:47 OldCoder         No :-)
02:47 Kacey            ok how may i compile
02:48 aggies           hi OldCoder
02:48 * Kacey          stabs aggies
02:48 * kaeza          likes the green color of the Oranges (note I'm colorblind :P )
02:48 * aggies         runs over Kacey
02:48 Kacey            ooh green oranges i love them
02:48 * aggies         loves green tomatoes
02:48 * Kacey          is made of Chevy
02:49 * NekoGloop      is made of little kitties
02:49 * aggies         is afk
02:49 * kaeza          politely requests Kacey and aggies to SHUT THE FUCK UP
02:49 * Kacey          pokes celeron55 to see if he is alive
02:49 * Kacey          notes the request
02:50 VanessaE         by now c55 is asleep
02:50 VanessaE         or I would assume so
02:50 kaeza            yeah
02:50 Kacey            i have never talked to him
02:50 Kacey            OldCoder how do i compile?
02:50 Kacey            using MinGW
02:51 kaeza            Kacey: I'm now crosscompiling
02:51 Kacey            ?
02:51 kaeza            hope it works
02:51 OldCoder         Kacey, there are two ways
02:51 Kacey            well i want to compile my own
02:51 OldCoder         Start with a build script that C55 provides
02:51 OldCoder         That is how you start
02:51 OldCoder         Then tailor the script to your liking
02:51 Kacey            i have minetest -master
02:52 OldCoder         Or: Do the same thing starting with my code
02:52 OldCoder         That will be incompatible with most worlds
02:52 * aggies         is back
02:52 kaeza            hey Tom____
02:52 Tom_____         Hey
02:52 Kacey            ooh im going to change code
02:53 aggies           wat code
02:53 Kacey            source code
02:53 aggies           which is
02:53 Kacey            what makes minetest
02:53 aggies           oooooo
02:54 Kacey            ya
02:54 * aggies         pokes Dogzilla131 to c if dead
02:54 kaeza            Kacey: I think you should have something similar to celeron-minetest-XXXXXX
02:54 Kacey            nvm on changing it
02:55 Kacey            i have the git pull
02:55 Kacey            alright OldCoder now what
02:55 * Dogzilla131    wakes up and starts barking
02:55 * aggies         runs to get gun
02:55 * kaeza          pats Dogzilla331
02:55 * Dogzilla131    stop barking
02:55 * Kacey          stabs aggies
02:56 Kacey            (sw)
02:56 * aggies         shoots Kacey
02:56 * Dogzilla131    happy with kaeza and begs for a treat
02:56 * Kacey          is immortal
02:56 * Kacey          jumps on Dogzilla131 and tries to ride him like a horse
02:56 * aggies         is also immortal
02:56 * kaeza          gives Dogzilla331 a shot of wine
02:57 * Dogzilla131    turns to a dogzilla and tries to get aggie
02:57 Kacey            uugh i only have 3 more minutes
02:57 Kacey            where is OldCoder when i need him?
02:57 * aggies         try to give Dogzilla131 some food
02:57 * Dogzilla131    eats it but carefully
02:58 * Dogzilla131    looks at aggies
02:58 * kaeza          is listening to I Wanna Rock and Roll All Night by Kiss
02:58 * aggies         tries to pet Dogzilla131
02:58 NekoGloop        Meow? 3:
02:58 Kacey            that is a good song
02:58 * Kacey          pets NekoGloop
02:58 * NekoGloop      purrs :3
02:59 * Kacey          picks up Neko
02:59 * Dogzilla131    goes back to normal dog size and wags hes tail
02:59 * aggies         listens to gangham style
02:59 * Dogzilla131    looks at NekoGloop, but he does not hate cats
02:59 * aggies         gives Dogzilla131 a bone
03:00 * NekoGloop      shys away from dogzilla and cuddles up to kacey who is holding him :3
03:00 * Kacey          lets go of Neko and bicycle kicks him across the room
03:00 NekoGloop        D:
03:00 Kacey            i love doing that
03:00 * aggies         is lmfao
03:00 * Kacey          rubs his foot that now hurts from kicking Neko
03:00 * Dogzilla131    is a transformer , he turns to a Golden Retriever
03:00 Kacey            i gtg bye
03:01 Dogzilla131      bye
03:01 * aggies         gives Neko some food
03:01 kaeza            Kacey, aggies: Achievement Unlocked: Steal a channel for tthree pages
03:01 * NekoGloop      nibbles it
03:01 * Dogzilla131    now turns to a Labrador Retriever
03:01 * aggies         pets Neko
03:01 * Dogzilla131    turns to a chihuahua
03:02 * NekoGloop      purrs :3
03:02 * Dogzilla131    wants a pat
03:02 * NekoGloop      pets doggy~ :3
03:02 * kaeza          is listening to We Won't Get Fooled Again by The Who
03:02 * aggies         dropskicks Dogzilla131 as chihuahua
03:02 kaeza            hey RC
03:02 VanessaE         hey redcrab
03:02 aggies           sup redcrab
03:03 kaeza            V: I thought you were dead
03:03 * aggies         says who
03:03 kaeza            :(
03:03 * aggies         is afk
03:05 * aggies         is GATman
03:05 VanessaE         nope, just going slow now.
03:05 NekoGloop        It's too hard to disconnect. Dammit.
03:05 kaeza            NekoGloop: wat
03:06 NekoGloop        s/hard/easy/
03:06 kaeza            oh
03:07 VanessaE         heh
03:07 * aggies         is secretly eminem
03:08 * NekoGloop      is secretly the space core
03:08 * aggies         is bored
03:08 kaeza            aggies: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22376084.jpg
03:09 * aggies         kicks Neko across the universe
03:10 NekoGloop        Ssssssssssspppppppppppaaaaaaaaacccccccceeeeeee.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
03:10 aggies           I GATman u can't hurt me
03:10 VanessaE         ...
03:11 NekoGloop        VanessaE: Wut?
03:11 VanessaE         nuthin'
03:11 aggies           i love sibling rivalerie
03:11 NekoGloop        Heh.
03:11 aggies           look up GATman and robin and u would c
03:12 kaeza            OK, now starting x-compilation to MinGW32. Wish me luck :)
03:12 * aggies         makes Neko into venus
03:12 * NekoGloop      blows up
03:12 * aggies         makes Neko run into the sun as venus
03:13 * NekoGloop      reconstitues as the creeper-steve hybrid that is his minecraft skin.
03:13 * aggies         eat chocolate pie
03:13 khonkhortisan    "space corp"
03:14 kaeza            slowbro shows up as khonkhortisan
03:14 * aggies         jumps cause khankhotisan is alive
03:14 khonkhortisan    firefox was taking 70% mem, with only three tabs
03:14 NekoGloop        genghis khan(khortisan)
03:14 kaeza            ditch Shitdows
03:14 kaeza            :)
03:14 sdzen|away       only 70%?
03:14 khonkhortisan    yep, still here, just playing rpgs and wrestling with opengl
03:14 NekoGloop        kaeza: Firefox is a mem hog on any os.
03:15 khonkhortisan    Neko I don't understand you
03:15 sdzen|away       it should be taking 100
03:15 kaeza            also ditch FF, use Chromium :)
03:15 khonkhortisan    oh.
03:15 * khonkhortisan  didn't like history class
03:15 NekoGloop        Haha.
03:16 aggies           http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1280&bih=691&tbm=isch&tbnid=82WjtBQ3QK4FSM:&imgrefurl=http://creeperblog.com/%3Fcat%3D3%26paged%3D5&docid=U3NoswgCv22NrM&imgurl=http://creeperblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/How-to-Build-a-Minecraft-Creeper.jpg&w=500&h=332&ei=ajC0UPnUD4HI9QSyx4GoCw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=2&sig=110153936471635374800&page=1&tbnh=144&tbnw=213&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:178&tx=130&ty=110
03:16 khonkhortisan    creeperblog.com^
03:16 kaeza            aggies: nice
03:16 Muadtralk        firrefox is Grrrrrrrrreat! though
03:17 jordan4ibanez    How do i get keypresses on the latest version?
03:17 kaeza            not better that opera
03:17 kaeza            hey jordan
03:18 jordan4ibanez    Hi JRADKADASDKAS
03:18 jordan4ibanez    keraladzm
03:18 AGUAIDFIASFJ     http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1280&bih=691&tbm=isch&tbnid=V1RJ0O_AYhySWM:&imgrefurl=http://creeperblog.com/%3Fp%3D6&docid=4IiboSKrTUUVxM&imgurl=http://creeperblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/creeper.jpg&w=580&h=435&ei=bDC0UNfrHYWs8ATpzICgCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=374&vpy=386&dur=13&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=126&ty=141&sig=110153936471635374800&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=185&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0,i:211
03:18 OldCoder         Right here
03:18 OldCoder         What did Kacey want?
03:18 khonkhortisan    already saw that by scrolling down
03:18 khonkhortisan    don't need another link
03:18 OldCoder         Kacey lets go of Neko and bicycle kicks him across the room
03:18 OldCoder         That seems dramatic
03:18 OldCoder         Blink and you miss the darndest things
03:19 aggies           lol
03:19 khonkhortisan    so that's what that kick is called
03:19 NekoGloop        I dont even know what that was, but i'm the space core so it hurt his foot more.
03:19 kaeza            aggies: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/W2x4iH9450iId5W7MfuYvw2.jpg
03:19 OldCoder         Yep
03:19 khonkhortisan    what is a space core?
03:19 Aggies           lol
03:19 NekoGloop        Portal 2.
03:19 NekoGloop        That is all.
03:20 Sssssppppaaaccee :3
03:20 kaeza            Sssssppppaaaccee: lol
03:20 khonkhortisan    You got the name right. Horray for tab completion!
03:21 kaeza            "I'm in Sssssssssspace!" -- A Creeper
03:22 kaeza            khonkhortisan: Do you know my friends? they are Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
03:24 kaeza            wb
03:24 mrtux            Hi redcrap
03:24 mrtux            *redcrab
03:24 mrtux            whoops
03:24 mrtux            sorry
03:24 * VanessaE       pokes redcrab
03:24 khonkhortisan    this goes along with the theme http://deathonabun.deviantart.com/art/Space-Core-Wallpaper-2-206279211
03:25 khonkhortisan    My friend is Mouse Highlight and Middle "Mouse" Button
03:25 khonkhortisan    No ctrl-c/v required
03:27 kaeza            khonkhortisan: you use linux?
03:27 kaeza            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XUWx0NMsvaQ/TSfu3TRjs4I/AAAAAAAABKw/ZsHMOY2Vibg/s1600/minecraft.jpg
03:27 khonkhortisan    yep
03:27 khonkhortisan    and have a windows program on a flash drive to do the same thing
03:27 kaeza            thought you used shitdows
03:27 kaeza            sorry
03:27 khonkhortisan    um, the recursion isn't done by scaling.
03:28 khonkhortisan    that's impressive
03:28 khonkhortisan    ha! The left wire is too high on the second monitor draw
03:29 NekoGloop        khonkhortisan: I call that "lack of available detail"
03:29 NekoGloop        Redpower microblocks could be helpful there.
03:30 kaeza            oppa craft style: http://tpdm.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/minecraft-style-600x300.jpg
03:30 NekoGloop        kaeza: No, listen to the song first.
03:30 NekoGloop        "Digging minecraft style"
03:34 jordan4ibanez    What am i doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Lq4cb355
03:35 kaeza            http://www.minecrafthumor.com/images/2012/October/15/507c80861c371.jpg
03:35 jordan4ibanez    I'm trying to wrap my head around the basics of this function
03:35 jordan4ibanez    Taoki|away: How do i use the set_attachment function?
03:40 kaeza            VanessaE: how do you make player textures
03:40 kaeza            ?
03:40 VanessaE         I don't :-)
03:40 VanessaE         I download them
03:40 VanessaE         they're just minecraft skins.
03:40 kaeza            ok
03:41 kaeza            I want to adapt this texture: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52970#p52970
03:42 VanessaE         http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Skinzones.png
03:42 VanessaE         this should help
03:42 kaeza            thanks V :)
03:42 VanessaE         scale the image up or down as needed to get to the resolution you're working with, then copy&paste the various pieces of your player image into the templace.
03:42 VanessaE         template*
03:42 VanessaE         the template can be any resolution in Minetest as long as the format is correct.
03:43 kaeza            oh fuck http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/hd-x-gen-skin-gordon-freemanhalf-life-2/
03:43 VanessaE         lol
03:44 VanessaE         well there ya go :-)
03:44 VanessaE         want me to assign it to you?
03:44 kaeza            should've guessed there should be already one. HL is a 14-years old game after all
03:44 kaeza            what?
03:44 kaeza            oh yes
03:46 VanessaE         installed.
03:46 VanessaE         (I kept the old one as a backup)
03:46 kaeza1           sorry
03:46 VanessaE         it's okay
03:47 VanessaE         I installed your new skin, and kept the old one in case you want to revert.
03:47 kaeza1           thanks :))
03:47 jordan4ibanez    Mualdtralk
03:48 VanessaE         no, eppes?  sign in already :-)
03:48 VanessaE         nu*
03:49 jordan4ibanez    Muadtalk
03:49 NekoGloop        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jV9bB-Q7JU
03:49 jordan4ibanez    muadtralk
03:50 jordan4ibanez    http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3877
03:50 NekoGloop        -1 + -1 is -2....
03:51 Muadtralk        hmmmm
03:51 jordan4ibanez    NO
03:51 Muadtralk        i assume youve based this off carts?
03:51 jordan4ibanez    Since -1 is not a real number it can be WHATEVER I WNAT
03:51 Muadtralk        or at least have looked at it
03:51 jordan4ibanez    Yes
03:53 VanessaE         last I knew, -1 was, like all negative numbers, still part of the "real numbers" set (in mathematics)
03:54 Muadtralk        its not a positive integer though so its not in that set
03:54 Muadtralk        so replace "not a real number" with "not a positive integer"
03:55 VanessaE         Muadtralk: "real numbers" include negatives.
03:55 jordan4ibanez    Nope!
03:55 jordan4ibanez    all negatives are imaginary
03:55 NekoGloop        http://algebra.freehomeworkmathhelp.com/Numbers/sets_of_all_numbers_subsets.GIF
03:56 NekoGloop        Negatives are integers.
03:56 jordan4ibanez    NOPE
03:56 VanessaE         jordan4ibanez, thousands of years of mathematics professors say you're wrong.
03:56 M13              hello
03:56 jordan4ibanez    I have -1 apples
03:56 jordan4ibanez    IT CANT BE REAL
03:56 Muadtralk        yes
03:56 jordan4ibanez    You can't work with - numbers in real lyfe
03:56 Muadtralk        i was suggesting a possible correction to make it true
03:56 NekoGloop        The set of integers contains the negative and positive numbers that have no fractional or decimal part. In other words, the integers consist of all negative and positive whole numbers including 0
03:57 jordan4ibanez    muadtralk: wha?
03:57 M13              has KikaRz been here complaining about "her server"
03:57 * dzho           hooks jordan4ibanez up to a -120 volt potential
03:57 khonkhortisan    the apple is inside out?
03:57 jordan4ibanez    I have -123121 atoms
03:57 VanessaE         jordan4ibanez: you can quite easily work with them in real life:  I have -1 apples -->  I have lost one apple.
03:58 VanessaE         Adding a negative number is equivalent to subtracting its positive.
03:58 jordan4ibanez    NOPE, that would be 1 - 1 not -1
03:58 khonkhortisan    You have -$50 in your wallet because both you and your friend remember your debt.
03:58 NekoGloop        -1 + -1 = -2
03:58 khonkhortisan    n + (-1) = n - (1)
03:59 bulletrulz       no -1=-1=1
03:59 dzho             anyway "imaginary" is reserved for a different concept
03:59 VanessaE         jordan4ibanez: just because you can't work with negative numbers in real life does not mean they don't exist.
03:59 khonkhortisan    a 90 degree rotation.
03:59 VanessaE         "imaginary" numbers are any value multiplied by sqrt(-1)
03:59 jordan4ibanez    -1 + 1 = 0 zero is an imaginary number too
03:59 bulletrulz       VanessaE, can i join ur server?
03:59 jordan4ibanez    negative numbers are just a concept, they aren't actually real
03:59 VanessaE         bulletrulz: sure, got very recent 0.4.4 handy?
03:59 NekoGloop        jordan4ibanez: I have $0
03:59 khonkhortisan    the number line simplifies things
04:00 NekoGloop        I have -$100
04:00 bulletrulz       not 4/3
04:00 khonkhortisan    each number is equidistant from the next
04:00 jordan4ibanez    Yes, but that means you have 0 dollars which physically is impossible
04:00 NekoGloop        jordan4ibanez: How?
04:00 VanessaE         jordan4ibanez: of course it is possible - I have zero dollars.
04:00 NekoGloop        I have no dollars.
04:00 bulletrulz       do i need 4.4 VanessaE
04:00 jordan4ibanez    You can't have 0 dollars, it's physically impossible
04:00 * khonkhortisan  stretches out hand. Looks in hand. Sees no money.
04:00 dzho             "dollars" don't need to be physical
04:00 NekoGloop        (A tad literally)
04:00 VanessaE         I have none, zippo, broke, busted, zip, zilch, and a whole lotta nada.
04:00 jordan4ibanez    But you would need to have at least 1 dollar to have a number of physical dollars
04:00 VanessaE         bulletrulz: it is ZERO POINT FOUR POINT FOUR.  and yes it is required.
04:01 khonkhortisan    if the concept of "dollar" is defined, you don't have any number other than zero of them.
04:01 khonkhortisan    *is not defined
04:01 jordan4ibanez    The concept of -1 is imaginary, it's not physical
04:01 bulletrulz       VanessaE, where do i get it?
04:01 NekoGloop        If T_A_N_K tries to math, we all die.
04:01 jordan4ibanez    There's 0, and 1
04:01 khonkhortisan    the car I'm looking at is -5 feet behind me. What's wrong with that?
04:01 VanessaE         bulletrulz: you have to compile it from source code for now.
04:01 * dzho           giggles at the thought of jordan4ibanez trying to grasp the difference between countably infinite and uncountably infinite
04:01 VanessaE         bulletrulz: binaries have not been released yet.
04:01 jordan4ibanez    Lol, i just wanted to see how long i could keep this going on for
04:01 bulletrulz       ok
04:02 jordan4ibanez    I know -1 is real XD
04:02 khonkhortisan    but now we have countable and uncountable
04:02 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: well to be pedantic, if it's -5 feet in front of you, it's (positive) 5 feet *behind* you :D
04:02 jordan4ibanez    No math lessons, only butthurt
04:02 khonkhortisan    yep, but that's the other direction than I said
04:02 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, is correcy
04:02 khonkhortisan    and I wouldn't see it then
04:02 * khonkhortisan  looks up "pedantic"
04:03 jordan4ibanez    Physically, you can't be negative, but mentally you can
04:03 bulletrulz       VanessaE, Can you give me the link to the source
04:03 jordan4ibanez    ROBOTICALLY YOU CAN BE ANYTHING
04:03 khonkhortisan    direction can easily be negative, just swap the origin and the point, but leave the axes the same
04:04 jordan4ibanez    But then that becomes mental math
04:04 jordan4ibanez    And you won't like mental math
04:04 jordan4ibanez    Here, everyone learn from yahoo http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080225122726AAHJLct
04:05 VanessaE         bulletrulz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest and https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
04:06 bulletrulz       thank toy
04:06 VanessaE         bulletrulz: follow the readme carefully
04:06 VanessaE         I ain't no toy :-)
04:06 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, is right a negitive plus a negitive always EQAULS  a postive
04:06 khonkhortisan    "real" as differentiated from imaginary numbers only.
04:06 jordan4ibanez    But a negative * positive always equals negative
04:06 NekoGloop        bulletrulz: Nope.
04:06 jordan4ibanez    WHAAAAAAAAAAAA
04:06 VanessaE         bulletrulz: wrong.
04:07 NekoGloop        Negative plus a negative is a negative.
04:07 khonkhortisan    (-1) + (-2) = -3
04:07 bulletrulz       ye
04:07 VanessaE         add two negatives, the result is negative.  Multiply them and the result is always positive.
04:07 khonkhortisan    (-1) x (-2) = 2
04:07 NekoGloop        Negative minus a positive is a negative
04:07 bulletrulz       NEGITIVE PLUS A NEGITIVE = a posive
04:07 VanessaE         bulletrulz: wrong.
04:07 bulletrulz       dude this is 4th grade math!
04:07 bulletrulz       no
04:07 bulletrulz       its not
04:07 VanessaE         bulletrulz: add two negatives, the result is negative.  Multiply them and the result is always positive.
04:07 khonkhortisan    how is that wrong?
04:07 khonkhortisan    making a negative more negative keeps it negative
04:08 VanessaE         bulletrulz: it is wrong.  adding two negatives is the same as subtracting both from zero.
04:08 khonkhortisan    (-1) - 2 = -3
04:08 VanessaE         -1 + -1 = 0 - 1 - 1 = -2
04:08 jordan4ibanez    1+2+3 = 3+2+1
04:08 VanessaE         bulletrulz: ask any math teacher.  they will agree with me.
04:08 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, XD
04:08 VanessaE         (and khonkhortisan and NekoGloop)
04:09 jordan4ibanez    And don't even get me started on pi
04:09 NekoGloop        -& + € = %
04:09 jordan4ibanez    pi = 3
04:09 VanessaE         3.141592653 ...is as far as I can remember it :-)
04:09 NekoGloop        pi = tasty
04:09 dzho             euler's gamma, though:  they don't even know if it's irrational or transcendental
04:09 jordan4ibanez    pi = 3 * 1/1222233333344444
04:10 dzho             32
04:10 dzho             d'oh
04:10 kaeza            Sorry I'm late, but how can a circle be perfect if PI is irrational?
04:10 jordan4ibanez    A circle is perfect, pi is just wrong
04:10 bulletrulz       pi = 3.14 whats 3.14 upside down and flipped around :O
04:10 VanessaE         kaeza: because pi is merely a ratio :-)
04:10 jordan4ibanez    41.3
04:11 bulletrulz       oh
04:11 kaeza            yes, but let's say a circle whose diameter is 1cm is ~3.1416
04:11 bulletrulz       lol turn the 4 around
04:11 bulletrulz       pie O:
04:11 bulletrulz       3.14 in a mirror is PIE!
04:11 bulletrulz       :O
04:11 VanessaE         kaeza: because we can't measure it precisely.
04:12 jordan4ibanez    Lol, i think linux will never be successful
04:12 kaeza            aaargh It's hard to explain my point
04:12 dzho             because if it were successful, none dare call it linux
04:12 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, i think your wrong!
04:12 kaeza            this^
04:12 jordan4ibanez    bulletrulz: egoraptor
04:12 dzho             they'd call it something different, like, say . . . "Android"
04:12 bulletrulz       when did jordan4ibanez turn in to a windows nazi
04:13 kaeza            shitdows*
04:13 VanessaE         kaeza: it would be ~3.1415927 cm in diameter, but only because we don't have any shorthand to give an exact figure except pi * diameter :-)
04:13 jordan4ibanez    I have a successful version of linux, it's called pcbsd
04:13 VanessaE         kaeza: so as a workaround, we just round it.
04:13 jordan4ibanez    I think i've successfully gotten this irc butthurt to  ∞
04:14 VanessaE         heh
04:14 kaeza            yeah, but the problem is it's not the same (d * 3.1416) than (d * 3.1415927) etc etc
04:14 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, 2010-2011 cool guy T_A_N_K/jordan4ibanez 2012 windows nazi
04:14 VanessaE         kaeza: right, which is why we just shorten ~3.1415... to "pi"
04:14 kaeza            gone
04:14 VanessaE         "pi" literally IS a number, and at present is what, a trillion digits long now?
04:15 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez is dead to me
04:15 kaeza            maybe
04:15 VanessaE         I forget how far out they've calculated it
04:16 kaeza            but even if it had a trillion digits, it would still not be the same as one trillion and one digit
04:16 VanessaE         far enough to measure the circumference of the galaxy with an error smaller than the Planck length or some such :-)
04:16 NekoGloop        VanessaE: There's a program that is currently running on a website, calculating pi.
04:16 kaeza            ok nevermind, I suck at math anyway
04:17 kaeza            NekoGloop: how do they that? beats me
04:17 NekoGloop        Minecraft gets piFPS on my computer.
04:17 kaeza            NekoGloop: lol
04:17 NekoGloop        kaeza: Easy....
04:18 NekoGloop        SOME EXCEPTION: Dont care.
04:18 OldCoder         redcrab, hi
04:18 kaeza            hey RC
04:18 bulletrulz       VanessaE, check the messege
04:19 kaeza            wat
04:19 kaeza            NekoGloop: wat
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Unix Makefiles".  CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set.  You probably need to select a different build tool.
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz       Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz       CMAKE_C_COMPILER_ENV_VAR
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz       Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz       CMAKE_C_COMPILER
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: Could not find cmake module file:/home/brandon/Desktop/minetest/CMakeFiles/CMakeCCompiler.cmake
04:19 VanessaE         bulletrulz:  don't paste!!!!!
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz       Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz       CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER_ENV_VAR
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz       Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz       CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: Could not find cmake module file:/home/brandon/Desktop/minetest/CMakeFiles/CMakeCXXCompiler.cmake
04:19 bulletrulz       CMake Error: CMAKE_C_COMPILER not set, after EnableLanguage
04:20 bulletrulz       CMake Error: CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER not set, after EnableLanguage
04:20 bulletrulz       -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
04:20 VanessaE         STOP STOP STOP STOP
04:20 VanessaE         STOP STOP STOP STOP
04:20 VanessaE         STOP STOP STOP STOP
04:20 bulletrulz       ok
04:20 bulletrulz       lol
04:20 bulletrulz       xD not really a big deal
04:20 VanessaE         do NOT paste in the channel!
04:20 bulletrulz       ok
04:20 bulletrulz       ok
04:20 VanessaE         anyway, I can't help you with compiling on Windows
04:20 kaeza            wowowow
04:20 kaeza            stop it!
04:20 VanessaE         except that you obviously need a compiler :-)
04:20 bulletrulz       VanessaE, im using linux
04:20 VanessaE         bulletrulz: you didn't follow the readme like I told you to.
04:20 bulletrulz       i did
04:20 VanessaE         otherwise you'd have a compiler now.
04:21 kaeza            maybe CMake is not installed correctly?
04:21 VanessaE         bulletrulz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L78
04:21 bulletrulz       VanessaE, i have it
04:21 kaeza            did you install from the package manager?
04:21 VanessaE         bulletrulz: please notice the apt-get install line.
04:21 bulletrulz       there must be some dipendisie isshues
04:21 VanessaE         (line 82, make sure you can see the whole thing)
04:22 VanessaE         sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev
04:22 VanessaE         run that, then try again.
04:23 bulletrulz       VanessaE, ty
04:24 bulletrulz       VanessaE, you have 3d players installed right?
04:25 bulletrulz       my internet is being a douch
04:25 bulletrulz       65 kb???!!
04:25 bulletrulz       its ussualy 400kb
04:25 bulletrulz       maybe its apt-get
04:26 VanessaE         0.4.4 is 3d yes.
04:26 bulletrulz       VanessaE, wait 3d is included by defualt?
04:26 Muadtralk        yep!
04:26 VanessaE         yes
04:26 VanessaE         in 0.4.4 and up.
04:26 bulletrulz       :D
04:26 bulletrulz       tat
04:26 bulletrulz       yay
04:26 bulletrulz       !
04:26 bulletrulz       can we change skin?
04:27 Muadtralk        and model
04:27 bulletrulz       for diffrent players?
04:27 VanessaE         yes, with the player_textures mod for now
04:27 bulletrulz       ::DDDDDD
04:27 Muadtralk        should someone ever make a different model that is
04:27 bulletrulz       yay
04:27 VanessaE         I have that installed, so if you manage to get 0.4.4 compiled, give me a skin to use and I'll plug it in for you.
04:27 bulletrulz       what skins will work>
04:27 bulletrulz       minecraft skins?
04:27 Muadtralk        yep
04:28 bulletrulz       minecraft skins will work VanessaE
04:28 kaeza            V: I don't seem to be able to connect
04:28 Muadtralk        also my server supports different player textures
04:28 Muadtralk        so if your ever on zenoheld
04:28 kaeza            maybe it's that bloated ambience mod
04:28 Muadtralk        ring me up!
04:28 kaeza            Muadtralk: IP?
04:28 Muadtralk        minecraft skins work
04:29 VanessaE         kaeza: the server is up?
04:29 Muadtralk        minetest.sytes.net:30000 for survival 30001 for semi creative
04:29 * bulletrulz     is doing the happy dance
04:29 kaeza            I get to "Downloading media" so i think yes it's up
04:29 bulletrulz       now we need to be able to see what players have in there hand
04:29 OldCoder         There is a script to check this
04:29 VanessaE         kaeza: wait it out, remember RBA's technic and ambiance are in, so they're huge
04:30 VanessaE         plus remember the crappy network code and your internet :-)
04:30 OldCoder         Both are up
04:30 kaeza            yup :(
04:30 kaeza            :okay:
04:30 VanessaE         bulletrulz: "their", and that'll come soon enough.
04:30 OldCoder         I should add that script to a page
04:31 kaeza            and on that topic, maybe make the head turn up/down
04:31 kaeza            just tossing ideas
04:31 bulletrulz       building!
04:31 kaeza            not that i'm complaining or anything
04:31 bulletrulz       18%
04:31 bulletrulz       19 ll
04:31 bulletrulz       CANT WAIT!
04:32 kaeza            Minetest binaries version 0.4.4 for Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/minetest-0.4.4.tar.bz2
04:32 * sokomine       pushes some mods in redcrabs direction and hopes he doesn't notice :-)
04:33 * bulletrulz     SAYS Hey sokomine i saw that
04:33 kaeza            does not include minetest_game
04:33 bulletrulz       32% ::D:DDDD:D:D:D:
04:34 bulletrulz       kaeza, wtf man
04:34 bulletrulz       im building mine right now
04:34 bulletrulz       lol
04:34 bulletrulz       i could of jusst downloaded that XXXDDD
04:34 bulletrulz       might as well let it make
04:35 bulletrulz       i got docky to work in lubuntu
04:35 bulletrulz       S:
04:35 kaeza            I was uploading when you said you built it :)
04:35 bulletrulz       kaeza, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!LOL
04:36 bulletrulz       45% :D
04:36 kaeza            yes I am >:)
04:36 bulletrulz       lol you either a dog or you just called your mom a bitch !XD
04:37 kaeza            a bit of both
04:37 bulletrulz       xDDDD
04:38 bulletrulz       kaeza, your a cool guy what os u got?
04:38 mrtux            night
04:38 kaeza            http://www.troll.me/images2/grammar-correction-guy/-youre.jpg
04:38 bulletrulz       lol
04:39 bulletrulz       61%
04:39 kaeza            Ihave DOS 5.0
04:39 kaeza            #YOLO
04:39 kaeza            J/K
04:40 bulletrulz       lol
04:40 kaeza            <sarcasm>guess what? Ubuntu 12.04!! OMG!! That's unexpected!!</sarcasm>
04:40 bulletrulz       apple or microsoft dos XD
04:40 bulletrulz       kaeza, so ubuntu
04:40 kaeza            yep
04:41 bulletrulz       i got lubuntu 12.10
04:41 bulletrulz       with docky xD
04:42 bulletrulz       i think ill stick with it too
04:42 kaeza            https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202012-11-27%2002%3A38%3A31.png
04:45 kaeza            back
04:45 kaeza            sorry
04:45 VanessaE         wb
04:45 VanessaE         what's with the screenshot?
04:45 bulletrulz       lol
04:45 kaeza            just showing off
04:45 bulletrulz       VanessaE, almost dont builfinh
04:45 bulletrulz       99
04:46 kaeza            btw it seems Muadtralk is gone
04:46 bulletrulz       99%
04:46 bulletrulz       100%
04:46 bulletrulz       hes dead jim
04:46 VanessaE         eh?
04:46 NekoGloop        Um...
04:46 NekoGloop        He left about 15 mins ago.
04:46 kaeza            he posted a link to a server but the server is still 0.4.3
04:47 kaeza            nvm
04:47 bulletrulz       VanessaE,
04:47 bulletrulz       can i have the server ip?
04:48 VanessaE         did you find a player skin you want me to use?
04:48 bulletrulz       oh i can use minecraft ones right?
04:48 VanessaE         yes
04:48 VanessaE         give me the address of the skin and I will install it for you
04:49 bulletrulz       pl
04:49 bulletrulz       ok
04:49 bulletrulz       VanessaE, http://www.minecraftskins.com/skin/152857/slenderman/
04:50 VanessaE         Ok.  You will use the name "bulletrulz" as you spelled it here?
04:50 bulletrulz       yes
04:51 kaeza            bulletrulz: nice skin
04:51 VanessaE         ok.  The skin is installed.  Server is at 24.181.193.82 port 30000
04:51 VanessaE         please note that the server is very laggy for reasons that are as yet out of my control.
04:52 VanessaE         wait..
04:52 VanessaE         gotta fix something.
04:52 bulletrulz       noo ok
04:54 bulletrulz       done?
04:54 VanessaE         not yet.
04:54 VanessaE         don't connect,.
04:54 VanessaE         I ain't done
04:54 VanessaE         ok, now it's ready.
04:55 bulletrulz       0% media!!!
04:55 VanessaE         heh, looks like the anonymous guy :-)
04:56 VanessaE         it'll take a long time for the media to come in.  like 5-10 minutes.
04:56 VanessaE         give it time.
04:56 bulletrulz       VanessaE, slender man is a thing from something awful forums
04:56 VanessaE         this will improve in the near future.
04:56 bulletrulz       ender man is based of of this
04:56 bulletrulz       ok ill go take a shower
04:56 bulletrulz       be back and it should be done
04:56 VanessaE         ok
04:59 khonkhortisan    haha so I google "how to create a multiplayer game in c++", get to stackoverflow which recommends raknet, who has a featured customer minecraft pocket edition, a variation of the game this game "copies". I can't get away!
04:59 VanessaE         heh
04:59 VanessaE         sounds like we need a 6 degrees of minetest website now ;-)
04:59 VanessaE         (or -minecraft)
05:02 kaeza            been playing a bit with the port to C++ of minetestmapper. It's full of awesomeness!
05:02 VanessaE         cool :-)
05:02 VanessaE         So you're saying it's Awesomesauceâ„¢?
05:03 kaeza            yup :)
05:03 VanessaE         (Awesomesauce and the Awesomesauce logo are TM and © 2012 by Mark Traceur)
05:03 VanessaE         ;)
05:04 * kaeza          is waiting in court  before MarkTraceur sues him
05:04 VanessaE         hahaha
05:04 kaeza            :)
05:04 kaeza            hey Aqua
05:04 marktraceur      kaeza: It's OK, I released the rights to the C++ port because I'm happy to have it represent the Awesomesauce brand.
05:04 kaeza            lol
05:05 VanessaE         bahahahahaa
05:05 kaeza            posting pic in 3...2...1...
05:05 VanessaE         and of course he shows up :D
05:05 Aqua             hi
05:05 VanessaE         hey marki
05:05 VanessaE         mark*
05:05 marktraceur      VanessaE: I got highlighted!
05:06 VanessaE         I blame kaeza :D
05:06 kaeza            lolol
05:09 kaeza            marktraceur: now that you mention it, I never had the honor to see you around here
05:09 marktraceur      VanessaE: No, it was you!
05:09 marktraceur      kaeza: Pleased to meet you ):
05:09 marktraceur      :)*
05:09 kaeza            same here :)
05:09 VanessaE         I plead the 5th, your honor. :D
05:11 VanessaE         gotta run.  Have fun on the server.
05:11 kaeza            still 0% media
05:11 kaeza            :(
05:11 kaeza            ok
05:11 kaeza            later then ;)
05:11 VanessaE         marktraceur: 24.181.193.82 port 30000 -- using the very latest 0.4.4, if you have the patience to deal with the lag :-)
05:12 marktraceur      VanessaE: Meh, I'm happy with stable versions for now
05:12 VanessaE         kaeza, bulletrulz you know what, that ambience mod adds too much.  It's gotta go.
05:12 kaeza            I agree
05:13 VanessaE         mod deleted, server restarted.
05:13 jordan4ibanez    Comiceos6
05:13 jordan4ibanez    Most polished linux distro I've ever used
05:13 kaeza            V: going in
05:14 VanessaE         marktraceur: 3d models? :-)
05:14 kaeza            jordan4ibanes: cool
05:14 kaeza            ibanez*
05:15 Aqua             ibanez is a brand of guitar/bass :
05:15 Aqua             ):)
05:15 Aqua             :)
05:15 jordan4ibanez    Like I'm not kidding, this feels more polished than windows 7 holy shit
05:16 marktraceur      kaeza: Use tab completion!
05:16 marktraceur      kaeza: Type (e.g.) V<tab> to get VanessaE.
05:16 kaeza            oh
05:17 VanessaE         marktraceur: anyway, 0.4.4 seems stable enough and it now has 3d player models by default.  It IS pure Awesomesauceâ„¢ :-)
05:20 VanessaE         and, I'm off to bed.
05:20 VanessaE         night all.
05:20 kaeza            night V
05:23 kaeza            bulletrulz: you still here
05:23 kaeza            ?
05:28 Aqua             herro
05:34 bulletrulz       back
05:36 bulletrulz       lol
05:36 bulletrulz       anyone on vs server
05:36 bulletrulz       ?
05:36 kaeza            bulletrulz: is the server ok?
05:37 kaeza            I can see you
05:37 bulletrulz       yay am i slenderman?
05:41 bulletrulz       VanessaE,
05:41 bulletrulz       how do i get privs????!!!!!
05:41 bulletrulz       nooooo
05:42 kaeza            shhhh
05:42 kaeza            she's sleeping
05:42 kaeza            :)
05:42 bulletrulz       lol WAKE UP VanessaE
05:43 bulletrulz       somebody help lol
05:43 khonkhortisan    "and it now has 3d player models by default." Never thought I'd hear it.
05:48 bulletrulz       any admins for vs server online?
05:50 kaeza            bulletrulz: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1080481738.png
06:00 Aqua             herro
06:02 OldCoder         Back
06:02 Aqua             amazing 3d !!!!!
06:02 OldCoder         bulletrulz, Hi
06:03 Aqua             hey oldcoader is port fowarding dangerous?
06:03 Aqua             cos i wanna start a server on windows
06:04 bulletrulz       OldCoder, do u have prics on vs server>
06:05 Aqua             oc???
06:05 kaeza            wb coder
06:06 bulletrulz       OldCoder, D:
06:07 OldCoder         bulletrulz, hi. What's the question?
06:07 OldCoder         Aqua, indicate what you mean. Are you asking me to forward to you?
06:08 Aqua             port foward to make a server
06:08 bulletrulz       OldCoder, i need help on VanessaE server i dont have privs can u give me some
06:14 OldCoder         I don't have admin there bulletrulz
06:14 OldCoder         It isn't one of mine
06:14 OldCoder         Aqua, Explain
06:14 Aqua             1. Start the server on a port (set in minetest.conf as port = ####) 2. Find the internal LAN IP of the computer the you are running the server on (example: 192.168.1.100) 3. Use port forwarding from the router to forward port #### to the internal LAN IP 3.a  If any firewalls are present, they must allow the port to pass traffic as well. 4. Let your friends know what your internet IP is (you can find this by looking at your router's s
06:14 Aqua             is there another way?
06:16 Aqua             ?
06:16 Aqua             kaeza
06:16 Aqua             khonk
06:16 kaeza            what?
06:16 OldCoder         Reading
06:16 OldCoder         Ah
06:16 Aqua             http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1037
06:16 OldCoder         You mean port forwarding at that level
06:16 OldCoder         R
06:16 OldCoder         Reviewing
06:16 Aqua             yeh
06:16 OldCoder         One minute
06:17 OldCoder         For a single UDP port at 30000 should be perfectly safe
06:17 OldCoder         except for
06:17 OldCoder         any risks inherent in the software itself
06:17 OldCoder         There is no other way that I am aware of
06:17 bulletrulz       opera is a good browser
06:17 OldCoder         It is O.K. yes
06:18 OldCoder         Aqua, you must forward because otherwise how will packets get to the software?
06:18 Aqua             what bout this way?
06:18 Aqua             Open command prompt by going in the Minetest installation folder, then in the "bin" folder, hold Shift, do a right click on a empty file (not on minetest.exe), click "Open command window here".     Type this, without quotes: "minetest.exe --server".         If you get the error "Multiple worlds are available.", use "minetest.exe --server --worldname world_name" instead, where world_name is the name of the world.      If your serv
06:19 OldCoder         Aqua, that is too long
06:19 bulletrulz       i like qupzilla though
06:19 OldCoder         It cannot be read here
06:19 OldCoder         Aqua, paste it to a paste site as I did not receive it
06:19 OldCoder         bulletrulz, one moment
06:20 Aqua             http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
06:20 OldCoder         bulletrulz, Thank you. Never tried that one. I'll need to build it.
06:20 Aqua             or is this outdated?
06:20 bulletrulz       OldCoder, its got packages
06:20 bulletrulz       debian
06:20 bulletrulz       fedora
06:20 OldCoder         Aqua, that part has nothing to do with forwarding
06:20 OldCoder         bulletrulz, I build all my software
06:20 bulletrulz       why lol
06:20 OldCoder         I do not use packages except when essential
06:20 OldCoder         Because I run my own Linux distro
06:20 OldCoder         There is no other way
06:21 bulletrulz       oh
06:21 Aqua             i have windows
06:21 OldCoder         Aqua, You must forward ports if you have a router
06:21 bulletrulz       Aqua, switch to liux
06:21 OldCoder         bulletrulz, Wait
06:21 OldCoder         bulletrulz, one issue at a time
06:21 bulletrulz       linux is better Aq
06:21 OldCoder         Aqua, what is the current question or issue?
06:21 khonkhortisan    khonk semi-present
06:21 OldCoder         khonkhortisan, hi
06:21 Aqua             khonk is gameboom down?
06:21 Aqua             forever?
06:22 Aqua             how to make a server on windows.
06:22 khonkhortisan    haven't played recently
06:22 khonkhortisan    been to redcrab more recently than gameboom
06:22 bulletrulz       i used to be a mod on redcrab
06:22 Aqua             gameboom has been shut down :)
06:23 Aqua             u used to be a mod?
06:23 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:23 OldCoder         Aqua, they have lost the world before
06:23 OldCoder         Aqua, Only about 20 of them :-)
06:23 OldCoder         http://minetest.org/
06:23 OldCoder         ^ See list and screenshots
06:23 OldCoder         Oh
06:24 OldCoder         I misunderstood
06:24 OldCoder         Aqua, what is your question?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua             oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 OldCoder         Aqua, do not flood
06:24 Aqua             spam?
06:24 OldCoder         No
06:24 OldCoder         That is flood not spam
06:24 OldCoder         Aqua, I see the question
06:24 Aqua             whats the difefernce?
06:24 OldCoder         Flood is too long
06:24 Aqua             whats the difefernce?
06:24 OldCoder         Spam is several other things
06:24 Aqua             whats the difefernce?
06:25 Aqua             whats the difefernce?
06:25 OldCoder         Aqua, I will kick you
06:25 Aqua             ok
06:25 OldCoder         It is late and I am tired
06:25 Aqua             ill stop
06:25 OldCoder         Show some courtesy and I will answer your questions
06:25 * marktraceur    is 100% in favor of kicking
06:25 OldCoder         Now...
06:25 OldCoder         Aqua, can you explain your question?
06:25 OldCoder         What do you mean?
06:25 OldCoder         About host a server?
06:26 OldCoder         Be patient and try to explain
06:26 Aqua             i wanna start a server and im stuck in port fowarding i think i kinow how but i just wanted to ask is it dangerous to the laptop or watever?
06:26 OldCoder         No
06:26 OldCoder         Not for this
06:26 OldCoder         It is just one port at UDP 30000
06:26 OldCoder         Risk is not large
06:27 Aqua             ive heard that there could be viruses or something?
06:28 OldCoder         Aqua, You run the same risk with or without port forwarding
06:28 OldCoder         It is not the issue
06:28 OldCoder         Port forwarding will not give the system cancer
06:28 OldCoder         Not for one port at UDP 30000
06:28 OldCoder         For Windows there are risks with everything
06:29 OldCoder         You should consider a switch to Linux someday
06:29 marktraceur      Aqua: Even better, switch to GNU/Linux: Security *and* functionality!
06:29 OldCoder         As I said :p
06:29 * marktraceur    enjoys ribbing the people in this channel about terminology sometimes :)
06:29 OldCoder         Though your explanation marktraceur is better
06:29 OldCoder         Fair nuff
06:31 Aqua             yep vanessaE told me to switch to kubuntu but will it run on a 5 or 6 yr old windows xp with terrible processor(centrino duo)
06:32 kaeza            Aqua: You should try PuppyLinux http://puppylinux.org/
06:32 VanessaE         actually I said Xubuntu, but Kubuntu is okay.
06:32 VanessaE         also, hi.
06:32 VanessaE         so much for sleep, got too hungry
06:32 Aqua             who said kubuntu?
06:32 VanessaE         I see bullet made it into the server.
06:32 kaeza            hey V!
06:32 VanessaE         [11-27 01:31] <Aqua> yep vanessaE told me to switch to kubuntu [...]
06:32 VanessaE         you did :)
06:33 kaeza            thought you were sleeping
06:33 VanessaE         kaeza: I was trying to.  Got too hungry to sleep.
06:33 OldCoder         She may have drifted off for a bit
06:33 Aqua             i forgot who it was.......
06:33 kaeza            can you give bullet interact privs?
06:33 VanessaE         got a protein shake/smoothie on hand now.
06:33 OldCoder         VanessaE, I can visit your world now if you like
06:33 kaeza            you always thinking about food...
06:33 OldCoder         kaeza, food is good
06:33 VanessaE         Aqua: don't remember, but I seem to recall Linus Torvalds likes KDE anyway
06:33 VanessaE         OldCoder: please do :-)
06:34 Aqua             mark is ur server up?
06:34 VanessaE         ah I forgot to give bulletrulz interact.  shit.
06:34 Aqua             really looking for new server
06:34 kaeza            YOU SUCK :)
06:35 kaeza            lol
06:35 VanessaE         :P
06:35 OldCoder         VanessaE, location again?
06:35 OldCoder         ty
06:35 VanessaE         Aqua: try mine :-)
06:35 VanessaE         OldCoder: 24.181.193.82 port 30000
06:35 kaeza            I was in it until a few minutes ago
06:36 marktraceur      Aqua: I'd suggest using Trisquel GNU/Linux, it works fairly well on most machines that I've tried.
06:36 kaeza            NO MORE LAG!! YAY!!
06:36 khonkhortisan    VanessaE, what brand?
06:36 VanessaE         bullet has interact now when he shows up.
06:36 Aqua             but i dont have 0.4.4
06:36 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: er, Body Fortress I think, PB and Chocolate.
06:36 kaeza            it seems he's gone
06:36 VanessaE         Aqua: get it. :-)
06:36 kaeza            R.I.P
06:36 VanessaE         kaeza: I know.
06:36 Aqua             mark is ur server up?
06:36 khonkhortisan    don't know that one
06:36 marktraceur      Aqua: Are you asking me?
06:36 VanessaE         kaeza: I disabled interact by default to prevent griefing
06:37 Aqua             i dont have linux?
06:37 Aqua             yes
06:37 khonkhortisan    is it safe to update minetest git?
06:37 VanessaE         Aqua: build it from sources? ;)
06:37 Aqua             can i get 0.4.4 on windosws?
06:37 OldCoder         VanessaE, visiting
06:37 marktraceur      Aqua: Use tab-completion to avoid ambiguity. Type mark<TAB> to get my name.
06:37 OldCoder         VanessaE, is it 0.4.3 or 0.4.4 ?
06:37 marktraceur      Aqua: Besides, I don't know what server you mean....I've run multiple ones.
06:37 VanessaE         ooooo
06:37 kaeza            Aqua: you use linux right?
06:37 kaeza            nope
06:37 VanessaE         hats have been pushed to git master!
06:37 Aqua             mark: in ur server up
06:38 VanessaE         server going down for upgrade!
06:38 khonkhortisan    khon<tab> = khonkhortisan
06:38 kaeza            HATS! We are Valve now!
06:38 Aqua             vaneesa can u make it 0.4.3?
06:38 marktraceur      Aqua: Which server?
06:38 khonkhortisan    hats? I'm so far behind
06:38 Aqua             i only see one in ur topics
06:39 Aqua             http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=505
06:39 marktraceur      Aqua: marktraceur.info?
06:39 VanessaE         Aqua: no.  this is 0.4.4 and up only.
06:39 Aqua             yeh
06:39 marktraceur      Aqua: That one is not up, no.
06:39 OldCoder         VanessaE, I don't have 0.4.4 yet; will need to wait
06:39 Aqua             what other do u have thats up?
06:39 VanessaE         OldCoder: s'ok, just tell me when you're ready.
06:39 kaeza            OldCoder: what OS do you use?
06:39 marktraceur      Aqua: I actually shouldn't say, the server hasn't officially launched yet.
06:39 Aqua             :( i really need a server
06:40 Aqua             so bored playing on nubelites server no one on
06:40 Aqua             how can i get 0.4.4 on windows?
06:40 VanessaE         Aqua: bug the usual windows build guys or build it yourself :-)
06:41 Aqua             do i have to download it first?
06:41 VanessaE         OldCoder, kaeza, whoever else:  server is up.
06:42 kaeza            k
06:42 kaeza            going in
06:42 kaeza            you did not put ambiance back right?
06:42 kaeza            ambience*
06:42 VanessaE         I killed ambience.
06:43 kaeza            +10000000
06:43 VanessaE         it's history
06:43 VanessaE         I don't like it for server use, but it's nice for singleplayer
06:43 * kaeza          hands VanessaE a gift card for 10000 Internetz
06:44 VanessaE         in order to see hats on players you will also need to update your client btw.
06:45 Aqua             where can i get 0.4.4?
06:45 VanessaE         (I don't see your glasses)
06:45 VanessaE         Aqua: source code, from the usual git repositories.
06:54 VanessaE         well I guess the hats code is NOT in yet.
06:54 VanessaE         just re-checked the commit log, I must have misunderstood.  Oh well
06:55 VanessaE         or wait...
06:55 VanessaE         oh I know why.
06:56 VanessaE         ok, let's try it now.
06:56 VanessaE         kaeza: any time you're ready
06:56 kaeza            you upgraded?
06:57 kaeza            diving in
06:57 VanessaE         I forgot to copy the new minetest_game over into my game folder.
06:57 VanessaE         much better.
06:57 VanessaE         you have glasses now :D
06:57 kaeza            oh
06:57 kaeza            do I look like Freeman?
06:57 VanessaE         yup
06:58 VanessaE         you did before, just didn't have the "hat" (glasses) on.
06:58 kaeza            can you post a pic?
06:58 kaeza            "hat" glasses.... sounds silly
06:58 kaeza            :)
06:59 kaeza            BTW was the lag problem something in the code?
06:59 VanessaE         well that'
06:59 VanessaE         that's how they're implemented.
06:59 VanessaE         I dunno, I didn't change anything in the code.  I just ditched that ambiance mod is all.
06:59 kaeza            k
06:59 VanessaE         stand by
06:59 VanessaE         take a screenie of me also
06:59 kaeza            k
07:01 VanessaE         http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1084979642.png
07:01 VanessaE         there's you
07:01 kaeza            here is yours : https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1084756596.jpg
07:02 kaeza            cool
07:02 VanessaE         well from the front would be nice :-)
07:02 VanessaE         stop looking at my ass :D
07:02 VanessaE         wait
07:02 VanessaE         what are you doing?
07:03 VanessaE         you keep circling me
07:03 kaeza            no u
07:03 kaeza            here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1084890248.jpg
07:03 VanessaE         I keep turning to face you :D
07:04 VanessaE         that's my back side :-)
07:04 VanessaE         but I see the ribbon in my hair, so that works :-)
07:05 kaeza            so the other one is the front side
07:05 VanessaE         I'm standing facing you now.
07:05 VanessaE         why is my face covered in black?
07:06 kaeza            there is your front: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1085046798.jpg
07:06 kaeza            dunno
07:06 VanessaE         wtf?
07:06 VanessaE         that can't be right.
07:06 kaeza            I was gonna ask you the same
07:06 * VanessaE       checks the skin file...
07:06 khonkhortisan    look for transparency?
07:07 kaeza            maybe you forgot the alpha channel?
07:07 VanessaE         hm, skin file looks okay
07:08 VanessaE         must be a bug.
07:08 kaeza            hmm
07:08 kaeza            may i take a look at the skin?
07:09 VanessaE         hold a sec.
07:09 VanessaE         Oh, I know
07:09 VanessaE         you need to update your client.
07:09 VanessaE         it looks fine from my testuser client.
07:09 VanessaE         (which is up-to-date)
07:09 kaeza            ok
07:10 kaeza            the testuser also looks black from my client
07:10 VanessaE         yeah, better update.
07:10 kaeza            gonna rebuild
07:10 VanessaE         I remember taoki said clients would have to be updated to avoid weird transparency bugs
07:10 VanessaE         or something to that effect.
07:12 kaeza            do I need the latest minetest_game too?
07:14 kaeza            k
07:14 kaeza            building
07:14 VanessaE         yes
07:14 VanessaE         well, I think so
07:14 VanessaE         may as well have it on hand anyway
07:15 khonkhortisan    I see my flowing water mod is obsolete
07:15 VanessaE         yup
07:15 khonkhortisan    that's what I wanted
07:15 VanessaE         but the engine or game or whatever still needs tweaked
07:16 OldCoder         VanessaE, I don't have 0.4.4 yet
07:16 VanessaE         some angles and directions of flowing water look like they flow uphill
07:16 VanessaE         OldCoder: grab the very latest git (engine and minetest_game)
07:16 VanessaE         no excuses :D
07:18 VanessaE         hey thomas
07:18 khonkhortisan    wow, that's odd. I'm using the programmer dvorak layout (which makes the 4 key be a } and a 3 when shifted). I'm typing in the address to the minetest server, and press right shift+3 and minetest starts connecting
07:19 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: hah!  you just joined as I was restarting the server
07:19 VanessaE         you may want to sign off/on again :-)
07:20 khonkhortisan    Client disconnected, instead of the server this time
07:21 thomas           hiya VanessaE :)
07:21 * VanessaE       watches khonkhortisan walk in mid-air :D
07:21 khonkhortisan    black screen of death
07:21 khonkhortisan    there's the nodes loading
07:22 khonkhortisan    and the talking segfault.
07:22 VanessaE         haha
07:22 * kaeza1         wants to kill the modem
07:22 * khonkhortisan  already did that, it won't save changes to settings
07:22 VanessaE         kaeza1: got the latest git?  you may sign on at your leisure now
07:23 kaeza1           yep. just finished building
07:23 VanessaE         excellent.
07:24 kaeza            almost in
07:24 kaeza            <VanessaE>some angles and directions of flowing water look like they flow uphill
07:25 kaeza            This is true
07:26 VanessaE         http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1086437274.png
07:26 VanessaE         khonkhortisan, that's you on the right, kaeza on left.
07:27 kaeza            core dumped
07:27 VanessaE         f10?
07:27 kaeza            nope
07:27 kaeza            just because
07:27 khonkhortisan    do the hands match the skins?
07:27 VanessaE         well sometimes I get random crashes, have for a long while now
07:27 kaeza            going in again
07:27 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: in the default texture pack?  not really I guess
07:28 khonkhortisan    A well-balanced game includes both constructive and destructive games
07:28 khonkhortisan    *well-balanced day
07:28 khonkhortisan    people should be drawn with blind eyeballs while they're connecting
07:29 kaeza            Next: Grand Theft Auto 0.4.5: Minetest City
07:30 VanessaE         lol
07:33 kaeza            VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1086261412.jpg
07:33 celeron55        lol
07:33 kaeza            khonkhortisan: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1086268048.jpg
07:33 VanessaE         that's what I should look like :-)
07:33 kaeza            hey celeron
07:33 khonkhortisan    oops
07:33 VanessaE         hey c55.
07:34 kaeza            one more VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1086609987.jpg
07:34 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: another crash?
07:35 khonkhortisan    if I press enter to talk
07:35 VanessaE         oh that
07:35 kaeza            I normally use 'T' to talk
07:35 kaeza            I don't use F10
07:36 khonkhortisan    T say something enter vs. T say something click proceed
07:36 VanessaE         I usually hit t, type my text, then hit enter.
07:36 kaeza            this^
07:37 khonkhortisan    and the user/pass/address/port boxes have a white background
07:37 khonkhortisan    instead of the normal gray
07:37 VanessaE         buggy irrlicht?
07:37 khonkhortisan    something in the way I compiled
07:37 khonkhortisan    yeah
07:37 kaeza            a problem with gfx driver perhaps?
07:37 kaeza            nvm
07:38 khonkhortisan    are carts default minetest_game?
07:38 kaeza            nope
07:38 VanessaE         no
07:38 VanessaE         tthey're still experimental yet
07:38 kaeza            yeah by experimental read "buggy"
07:39 khonkhortisan    can't go down this hill, it's scared of an itty-bitty bridge
07:39 kaeza            (hmm... that means a cart is a buggy?)
07:39 kaeza            VanessaE: have you tweaked the speed of carts?
07:39 VanessaE         no
07:39 celeron55        VanessaE: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/congestion_setting
07:39 khonkhortisan    I just did a u-turn at a t-intersection
07:40 VanessaE         celeron55: perfect!
07:40 VanessaE         well the interface to it anyway :-)
07:40 khonkhortisan    maybe it stops there because it goes down two nodes instead of one
07:40 celeron55        it's not perfect
07:40 celeron55        but that will help you a bit
07:40 kaeza            celeron55: +1000
07:41 kaeza            if that works :)
07:41 celeron55        if you raise congestion_control_aim_rtt or congestion_control_max_rate, it may kill the RTT of users that otherwise might have good RTT at the basic settings
07:41 VanessaE         +#congestion_control_aim_rtt = 0.2  <-- a measure of seconds?
07:41 celeron55        anyway, try setting congestion_control_aim_rtt = 0.5 or so
07:42 celeron55        and setting congestion_control_max_rate to much higher may be fun too, but might cause problems
07:42 VanessaE         right.
07:42 celeron55        (that is in packets/s)
07:42 khonkhortisan    there should be a car system based on railroads where there are stop signs/traffic lights and you will go straight through the intersection unless you hit the switch, and the switch only affects your car, not the next one. Or switch into a turn lane and play a game of openttd/simutrans in minetest
07:42 celeron55        actually
07:42 VanessaE         I shall experiment with these tomorrow when I have a clear-enough head (pretty tired now)
07:42 kaeza            khonkhortisan: O.O
07:42 celeron55        you might want to just raise congestion_control_min_rate to 50 or so
07:42 celeron55        with those parameters, there are no perfect settings
07:43 celeron55        only settings worse in some way or another
07:43 celeron55        s/worse/bad/
07:43 VanessaE         right, but sometimes finding a good compromize is the best thing in lieu of some better method.
07:43 VanessaE         compromise*
07:43 khonkhortisan    If I approach a T-intersection from the top part of the letter T, with the switch facing towards me, I U-turn
07:44 celeron55        the thing i'd first try is just raising congestion_control_aim_rtt much higher, and hope that it doesn't cog up the tubes to those who can get much smaller RTT
07:44 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: yeah, those switches are sorta unpredictable, and the carts don't follow the visibly-drawn turn in the junction
07:44 VanessaE         celeron55: gotchya.
07:44 khonkhortisan    all it would take is to switch the visual, or draw all possibilities and be ambiguous
07:45 khonkhortisan    stand in the cart when you start it for a random start direction
07:45 celeron55        also, the size of a packet is around 500 bytes, so 400 is 200kB/s
07:45 celeron55        (or, well, the maximum size)
07:46 khonkhortisan    these would be great for art servers having amusement park rides where they go in scary caves
07:48 khonkhortisan    nice, deceleration on stopping.
07:48 khonkhortisan    now we need to tie switches to mesecons and do railroad logic :)
07:49 VanessaE         and figure out why the cart is, as you put it, afraid of a little bridge :-)
07:50 khonkhortisan    just put a baby on one of these, and have it climb a really long hill, and it'll rock the baby to sleep
07:50 VanessaE         hehe
07:54 VanessaE         celeron55: thanks for adding those settings.  I appreciate it.
08:02 kaeza            you are using latest git VanessaE
08:02 kaeza            ?
08:03 VanessaE         yup
08:03 khonkhortisan    I am, on her server
08:03 kaeza            It runs WAY better than before :)
08:03 VanessaE         well latest up to just before c55 added those congestion management controls.
08:03 kaeza            at most 2 sec lag
08:03 kaeza            which is normal (at least for me)
08:04 VanessaE         cool, I didn't do anything but update :-)
08:05 VanessaE         well the server's 24/7 now, or at least as long as my computer remains powered and connected :-)
08:05 kaeza            BTW nice toilet :)
08:05 kaeza            just for when you are in a hurry
08:08 VanessaE         heh
08:09 VanessaE         ok, bedtime ...try #2
08:09 VanessaE         night all.
08:11 OldCoder         VanessaE, Does it support LevelDB?
08:11 OldCoder         That is not an excuse
08:11 OldCoder         Sort of mandatory for me
09:33 thexyz           commit 4e249fb3fbf75f0359758760d88e22aa5b14533c
09:33 thexyz           Author: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
09:33 thexyz           Date:   Sat Nov 27 01:02:21 2010 +0200
09:33 thexyz           Initial files
09:33 thexyz           happy birthday, minetest
09:34 OldCoder         Strike up the band!
09:34 OldCoder         thexyz, Hi. I have nearly caught up with things. May I find you here sometime this week?
09:34 OldCoder         What are good times?
09:34 OldCoder         I have merged some upstream patches with your code BTW
09:34 OldCoder         I have a pretty good copy of 0.4.3
09:45 celeron55        thexyz: well, more like happy version control day
09:45 celeron55        it did exist for a couple of weeks before that
09:46 thexyz           that means we can celebrate several times
09:55 ruskie           so basically november would be minetest month ;)
09:56 celeron55        i started minetest in october
09:56 ruskie           so more than a couple of weeks then
09:56 celeron55        hmm... apparently
10:07 OldCoder         ack
10:07 OldCoder         back I mean
10:07 OldCoder         thexyz, could we meet later in the week? If convenient for you?
10:08 OldCoder         celeron55, I raised those settings already but have not built new clients yet; just servers
10:08 OldCoder         celeron55, BTW This is fun: PilzAdam unique avatars 2D: http://minetest.org/avatars.jpg
10:09 thexyz           OldCoder: probably
10:09 OldCoder         Any particular times good for you?
10:10 OldCoder         Of the day I mean
11:07 thexyz           finished it, http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/index.php
13:16 * OldCoder       is resting
14:06 thexyz           celeron55: i've finished that new design http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/index.php, any thoughts?
14:10 celeron55        thexyz: i have already commented on it long ago
14:11 thexyz           and your thoughts haven't changed, right?
14:11 celeron55        not in any considerable way
14:13 celeron55        if there are any serious web designers around, i am willing to try whipping up some amount of constructive criticism
14:14 celeron55        otherwise, i'll just leave it at that; no reason to start a flame war
14:14 thexyz           you can just post it here http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3075
14:15 thexyz           i guess that man is "serious web designer" enough
14:17 celeron55        he hasn't posted anything on the forum for months
14:18 thexyz           so what?
14:20 NekoGloop        He's busy. Desinging webs.
14:20 celeron55        i expect him to be long gone and replies to be wasted effort
14:21 thexyz           i don't think so
14:21 thexyz           we can contact him by email
14:36 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
14:50 NekoGloop        Hello pilzadam
14:51 PilzAdam         the new 1 frame death animation is funny
15:39 Taoki            PilzAdam: It's better that way, since the ugly loop problem is fixed. If you want it to be smooth, animation blending will be possible to use for that, when Irrlicht fixes the bug it has with it
15:39 Taoki            The 1 frame animation is also easier to use for other things, like laying down in bed rather than just death
15:40 PilzAdam         i said nothing against it
15:40 Taoki            Sure. BTW: In the model, it's actually 5 frames. Since if I try to loop the same frame, the model just freezes in place. It's odd
15:41 Taoki            But it works so no biggie
15:41 PilzAdam         should the selectionbox should be changed when dead?
15:41 Taoki            But now there's a stand, sit, and lay animation. Stand is standing default, sit will be for mods like chairs and carts, lay is used for death and can be used by mods like beds
15:42 Taoki            Can probably be done. Not important so I didn't look into it
15:42 Taoki            Not urgent at least
15:42 PilzAdam         so the camera would fit to the model
15:42 Taoki            Bounding box should be possible to change where the animations are set
15:42 Taoki            But that can be done later, it's one of the little things
15:43 PilzAdam         currently the player that is dead doesnt know that he has the dead animation
15:43 PilzAdam         it just seems like you are still standing
15:44 Calinou          methinks "death" animation should use one frame of "lay" animation, and make the "lay" animation slightly animated (if this isn't the case already, haven't tested yet)
15:44 Calinou          so that dead players look dead, players laying do not :P
15:45 PilzAdam         sometimes sleeping people look like dead in RL
15:45 Taoki            Lay animation isn't animated, but doesn't need to be really
15:45 Taoki            Looks fine as is
15:45 Calinou          it looks like you are dead :P
15:46 Calinou          in minecraft when you're on a bed you still animate a bit
15:46 Taoki            Not much tio animate there either, for the blocky player especially
15:46 Taoki            didn't even notice that :P Some other time if anything
15:46 Calinou          also, is the lighting bug fixed?
15:46 Calinou          (when you have 2+ players in view)
15:46 Taoki            Not by me, don't know how
16:16 jin_xi           Taoki: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-11-25#i_2659388
16:17 Taoki            ah, that explains the blackness bug with models and items / entities
16:26 Penguin          hi
16:26 * Calinou        tried to make player yaw transitions smoother
16:26 Calinou          literally failed
16:27 Calinou          it broke everything when I tried to do it :3
16:37 bulletrulz       hi :)
16:37 bulletrulz       VanessaE, is your server up?
16:37 PilzAdam         hi bulletrulz
16:37 PilzAdam         hi john_minetest
16:37 PilzAdam         ooops
16:38 PilzAdam         hi jordan4ibanez
16:38 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, what was the distro you were talking about last night?
16:38 jordan4ibanez    comiceos 4
16:39 bulletrulz       oh
16:39 bulletrulz       i tried that too osxey for me
16:41 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, did u switch to it?
16:41 Calinou          lol
16:41 Calinou          unknown distros ftl
16:42 jordan4ibanez    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtjW9Z_8ZCU
16:42 Jordach          Taoki - you implemented HATS!!!!?!
16:42 Calinou          HATS
16:42 Calinou          minetest is the new TF2
16:42 jordan4ibanez    Now we are tf3
16:42 Jordach          TROLOLOL
16:43 jordan4ibanez    https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/117f2088263833a40b672b702fb215e52b88be5c wow
16:43 bulletrulz       pilz go back on the server
16:43 Lumpio-          Did I hear somebody say hats?
16:43 PilzAdam         hi Jordach
16:43 PilzAdam         bulletrulz, what server?
16:44 bulletrulz       VanessaE,
16:44 bulletrulz       server
16:44 Calinou          hats are broken, jordan4ibanez
16:44 Calinou          Jordach*
16:44 Calinou          transparent zones become black
16:45 Jordach          i thought they were fixed
16:48 NekoGloop        Meow?
16:49 PilzAdam         Calinou, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/5f798d944ee03beca205b107dda58bdc72dd2bf8 ?
16:50 jordan4ibanez    Is there a server where people have custom skins?
16:50 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, VanessaE
16:50 bulletrulz       for 4.4
16:50 bulletrulz       04/4
16:50 jordan4ibanez    wat is ur survur vanussau
16:50 bulletrulz       but shes not online lol
16:50 jordan4ibanez    What is her server?
16:50 PilzAdam         minetest.ru:12345 is 0.4.4 too
16:50 bulletrulz       hold on
16:51 bulletrulz       24.181.193.82 30000
16:51 bulletrulz       im on there too
16:53 Calinou          PilzAdam: ah, my git repo didn't update due to local changes :)
16:54 PilzAdam         thexyz, update minetest.ru:12345 to latest git
16:54 jordan4ibanez    TO 24.181.193.82
16:54 bulletrulz       lol :D
16:54 bulletrulz       for 0.4.4
16:55 PilzAdam         see you next monday when media is downloaded ;-)
16:55 bulletrulz       media downloaded quick for me about 4 min
16:56 PilzAdam         on "normal" servers it takes 30 sec. max
16:56 PilzAdam         VanessaE just installed millions of mods
16:56 jordan4ibanez    It's taking me 3 years to go
16:56 jordan4ibanez    Pilzadam, can you like post a tut on how to mount entities? lol
16:57 PilzAdam         https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/blob/attachment/init.lua#L665
16:57 PilzAdam         thats all
16:58 bulletrulz       jordan4ibanez, just wait itll get faster
16:59 Calinou          http://ompldr.org/vZ2gxYw/screenshot_1120799023.png poor Player, he got killed by a torch.
16:59 Calinou          lol
17:00 Calinou          added skin for 3D player in misa's pack :)
17:00 kotolegokot      hello everyone
17:01 PilzAdam         hi
17:01 * Jordach        zooms in, hats work fine Calinou
17:02 kotolegokot      how i can to fix image in inventory? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53677973/tmp/03452.png
17:02 PilzAdam         use inventory_image = "texture.png", in node definition?
17:02 jordan4ibanez    WHERE IS THE TRAMPOLINE CODE
17:02 bulletrulz       lol im stuck in the thing
17:03 Calinou          Jordach: yeah they do
17:03 Jordach          see
17:03 Jordach          this is not minecraft
17:03 Calinou          PilzAdam: you mean inventory_image = minetest.inventorycube("texture.png")
17:03 Jordach          (the render is probably better)
17:04 kotolegokot      http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392139/
17:05 bulletrulz       NOOOO FACE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mULx2qcsioY
17:06 jordan4ibanez    VanessaE where did you get the trampoline mod?
17:07 PilzAdam         jordan4ibanez, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2957
17:07 * NekoGloop      plays shooter game
17:07 * NekoGloop      gets k/d ratio of 3:4
17:07 * NekoGloop      fuuuuuuu--
17:07 Jordach          NekoGloop - cod?
17:07 Jordach          bfxx?
17:07 kotolegokot      PilzAdam, If I will use inventory_image, I should draw many textures. That long.
17:08 jordan4ibanez    This group bouncy=20+i*20
17:08 NekoGloop        Shadowgate: Deadzone
17:08 jordan4ibanez    wtf
17:08 PilzAdam         kotolegokot, i see the problem
17:09 jordan4ibanez    Can you draw an image on the gui yet?
17:09 PilzAdam         formspec or real gui?
17:10 jordan4ibanez    Real gui, could you mount a gui to the player?
17:11 NekoGloop        Not shadowgate. Derp
17:11 NekoGloop        Shadowgun.
17:12 NakedFury        is that game good?
17:12 PilzAdam         you  mean minetest?
17:12 NakedFury        I have been trying to find a fun ipad shooter
17:13 VanessaE[L]      boo.
17:14 NakedFury        boo
17:14 NakedFury        o/
17:14 VanessaE[L]      hi
17:14 PilzAdam         VanessaE[L], we have nice glass entities again: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/117f2088263833a40b672b702fb215e52b88be5c
17:14 NekoGloop        NakedFury: Yup
17:14 VanessaE[L]      PilzAdam, er...
17:14 VanessaE[L]      heh
17:15 VanessaE[L]      I was about to ask what I missed :-)
17:15 PilzAdam         c55 said me that inventory_image should override everything
17:15 NekoGloop        VanessaE[L]: All hell breaking loose. :3
17:15 PilzAdam         even the item_entity
17:15 VanessaE[L]      neko: lol
17:15 NekoGloop        How about drop_image?
17:15 VanessaE[L]      PilzAdam, well, to fix glass et.al maybe a different approach is needed.
17:16 PilzAdam         c55 already looked how to fix the "cube in inventory is dark" bug
17:16 VanessaE[L]      like figuring out why it's black in the inventory (without an inventory image) in the first place.
17:16 VanessaE[L]      oh ok
17:17 PilzAdam         but: <c55> PilzAdam: i'm afraid this thing will be left untouched for now
17:17 NekoGloop        NakedFury: Not quite my cup of tea but is not a bad game by any means.
17:18 NakedFury        its kind of sad how not many developers actually take advantage of the ipad, or tablet
17:18 NakedFury        keep releasing crap shooter ports
17:18 PilzAdam         apple is evil
17:18 PilzAdam         and shouldnt be supported
17:18 VanessaE[L]      NakedFury, well apple doesn't make it particularly easy to develop for it do they?
17:18 VanessaE[L]      (as opposed to an open system like a PC)
17:19 PilzAdam         heh, "Lets realease a not programmable PC"
17:19 NakedFury        apple are pros when it comes to getting people to spend $600 yearly for new products
17:19 VanessaE[L]      NakedFury, haha
17:19 Jordach          NakedFury - bs, my ipad2 is still as fast as it was two years ago
17:20 NakedFury        unless you jailbrake the ipad or iphone or itouch they are incomplete crap products
17:20 PilzAdam         but everyone wants them
17:20 * PilzAdam       not
17:20 NakedFury        bunch or small fixes can only be done with cydia stuff
17:20 NakedFury        example no wishlist on the itunes store
17:20 NakedFury        so simple yet not present ever
17:21 VanessaE[L]      brb
17:21 NakedFury        limited folders and apps in folders
17:21 NekoGloop        NakedFury: Shadowgun is only a tad laggy.
17:22 NekoGloop        Which is probably just my internet.
17:22 NakedFury        also big lack of quality strategy games here
17:24 NekoGloop        Try bloons tower defense.
17:25 NakedFury        already played it on kongregate
17:25 Kray             yes
17:25 NakedFury        and I mean real time strategies or turn based strategies not tower defense
17:25 NakedFury        age of empires, simcity, civilizations style
17:25 NakedFury        the ipad would be perfect with some control fixes
17:25 Kray             yes
17:26 Kray             nope
17:26 Jordach          NakedFury - yes it would, but the ipad is objective-c, not c++
17:26 VanessaE[L]      john_minetest, grab it from sources.
17:27 VanessaE[L]      you have to compile it yourself for now.
17:27 * Jordach        hates itunes' way of ordering music by ablum, album artist
17:28 NakedFury        iTunes and App store really need a Wishlist tab
17:28 NakedFury        "ohh I can't buy this now, let me place on whislist so I won't forget"
17:29 Jordach          or just use notes app like i do
17:29 Jordach          problem solved
17:29 Kray             john_minetest: 0.4.4 isn't released yet?
17:30 Jordach          kray - get back to EVE online
17:30 VanessaE[L]      Kray, source code from github.
17:30 VanessaE[L]      come on people, learn to compile :-)
17:30 Jordach          VanessaE[L] - i know
17:30 celeron55        Kray: it isn't released yet
17:30 Kray             I don't see tag for 0.4.4
17:31 Jordach          a simple cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 and a make -j4
17:31 Jordach          problemo solved
17:31 VanessaE[L]      Jordach, some people are still relegated to windows. :-)
17:31 Jordach          (im a windows guy and its easy)
17:31 celeron55        VanessaE[L]: have you used the network parameters by now?
17:31 VanessaE[L]      celeron55, not yet, I haven't had a chance to work with it - just got up about an hour ago.
17:32 * Jordach        smells the aroma of bacon
17:32 * Jordach        drools
17:32 celeron55        i'm waiting for you to see if one can get any practical benefit from them before including them upstream
17:32 * john_minetest  just ate but hungry again...
17:32 NakedFury        ohh thats me Jordach, baked potato with cheese and bacon
17:32 Jordach          mmmm, bacon + egg + baked beans + mushrooms
17:32 Jordach          and of course toast
17:32 bulletrulz       back
17:33 VanessaE[L]      celeron55, a lit later today I will check.
17:33 NekoGloop        Chimichangas.
17:33 sokomine         ok. tell me when the testserver is up again with the new network code
17:33 sokomine         hi, btw :-)
17:33 VanessaE[L]      willdo, sokomine
17:34 VanessaE[L]      for now, others are saying it's working far better now, so you might want to play with it some
17:35 sokomine         shall i compile a new version or is that one from yesterday still current?
17:35 VanessaE[L]      compile a new one.  hats code got pushed :-)
17:35 hummer           Hello
17:35 VanessaE[L]      hi hummer
17:35 hummer           Russian here?
17:35 VanessaE[L]      no
17:35 sokomine         hmpf. i hate firefox eating up computing time while idling
17:35 hummer           Can help with the landscape generator?
17:36 VanessaE[L]      sokomine, maybe 18 will be better with that ionmonkey script engine.
17:36 Jordach          or chromium
17:36 Jordach          no lag
17:36 Jordach          >:D
17:36 VanessaE[L]      heh
17:36 hummer           in what files to be functions of generation of the world
17:37 NekoGloop        Maybe internet explorer would be better.
17:37 PilzAdam         anyone know the Pope emoticon? +<:-)
17:37 VanessaE[L]      haha
17:37 bulletrulz       NekoGloop hahahah internet explorer whats wrong with u
17:38 PilzAdam         john_minetest, prepare to wait 3 years to load media
17:38 VanessaE[L]      irrlicht bug.
17:38 sokomine         well, it's not exactly lag. it just causes load for no apparent reason. cpu cycles that could be used by minetest :)
17:38 hummer           ?--in what files to be functions of generation of the world--?
17:38 PilzAdam         if i select it in Klipper (KDE) I can paste it in main menu
17:39 marktraceur      hummer: Usually mapgen.cpp and mapgen.hpp IIRC
17:39 VanessaE[L]      PilzAdam, for some reason, copy&paste doesn't work for everone, in linux
17:39 PilzAdam         marktraceur, hpp?????
17:39 marktraceur      Errr, .h?
17:39 sokomine         hummer: at which level do you want to change world generation? mod or mt-code?
17:40 marktraceur      PilzAdam: Some projects use .cpp/.hpp, others use .cpp/.h
17:40 VanessaE[L]      what's a .hpp?  some evil hybrid of a .h and .cpp file? :-)
17:40 marktraceur      Some actually use .c++, though that doesn't make much sense.
17:40 PilzAdam         never heard about hpp
17:40 OldCoder         Back
17:40 marktraceur      VanessaE[L]: It's just a way of specifying that the header file is for C++.
17:40 sokomine         john_minetest: you'll eventually arrive on the server. get a cup of coffee and relax :) at least it's faster the second time...
17:40 VanessaE[L]      whoosh :-)
17:41 hummer           sokomine: I write game on similarity of minecraft but only also realistic purposes are used 3д models, there is no only world generation. Game I write on with ++ FrameWork
17:41 VanessaE[L]      yeah, it'll take a while to download the media
17:42 VanessaE[L]      I killed off that ambiance mod, which was temporary anyway.  That helped considerably but didn't solve the issue of course
17:42 PilzAdam         VanessaE[L], maybe just dont install a googolplexplex of mods?
17:42 hummer           who will help with a question of generation of the world? skype: bond_russia
17:43 VanessaE[L]      celeron55, I think it would be a good idea for the server not to announce to everyone that a client has connected, until the client starts actually displaying the world to the player.
17:43 VanessaE[L]      PilzAdam, well that helps some :-)
17:44 sokomine         true. it's irritating if a player is supposed to be there already - has logged in according to message, is visible in the game - but will not actually be there for half an hour until the media got transmitted
17:44 sokomine         ah. this time it was all much faster
17:46 bulletrulz       lag lol
17:46 VanessaE[L]      ain't my fault :-)
17:46 VanessaE[L]      I'm not even on the server right now :-)
17:46 bulletrulz       lol nothing your fault it is lol jk
17:46 PilzAdam         VanessaE[L], did you know that you have more mods installed than protons exist in the universe?
17:47 VanessaE[L]      (my anemic little laptop can barely push 15fps with my 64px pack (and 20 with default)
17:47 VanessaE[L]      PilzAdam, yeah, so?  :D
17:47 bulletrulz       it says  uare
17:48 PilzAdam         there are 10^80 protons and you have a googolplexplex = 10^100^(10^100^(10^100)) mods
17:48 VanessaE[L]      it does?
17:48 VanessaE[L]      odd.
17:48 VanessaE[L]      PilzAdam, a googleplex is 10 ^ (10 ^100)
17:48 VanessaE[L]      :-)
17:48 PilzAdam         i said googolplexPLEX
17:48 VanessaE[L]      oh haha
17:48 VanessaE[L]      shit.
17:49 bulletrulz       \i think i should go fuck with people on mumble
17:49 VanessaE[L]      and I said "google-" instead of "googol-"
17:49 NekoGloop        VanessaE: googolplex
17:49 * VanessaE[L]    hands in her geek card.
17:49 * PilzAdam       burns it
17:49 VanessaE[L]      yeah I know.  damn corporations :D
17:49 celeron55        tuning the values in the right way should do much good to media load time
17:50 celeron55        actually, the branch might transfer media already faster because it changes one thing (probably not)
17:50 VanessaE[L]      when I get back to my PC I'll fiddle with that
17:50 bulletrulz       VanessaE[L],
17:50 bulletrulz       start a mumble server lol
17:51 sokomine         btw, the stairsplus-nodes are most of the time not visible in the inventory (their images)
17:51 VanessaE[L]      mumble?  why>
17:51 VanessaE[L]      sokomine, those work fine on my PC and my laptop?
17:51 VanessaE[L]      brb
17:52 bulletrulz       so people can tlak on mic lol
17:52 sokomine         no matter what server i most of the time get half of them as inventory images at max
17:52 sokomine         but i don't remember how much memory i gave to the onboard grapics card. hm. perhaps not much...
17:53 Penguin          hi
17:55 thexyz           PilzAdam: updated now
17:57 PilzAdam         k
18:00 VanessaE[L]      sokomine, out of graphics memory>
18:00 VanessaE[L]      ?
18:01 rubenwardy       bloody hell, my temp forum already has spam
18:01 sokomine         most likely, yes
18:01 VanessaE[L]      rubenwardy, sowwy
18:02 PilzAdam         hi rubenwardy
18:03 NekoGloop        Go figure
18:05 rubenwardy       why are you VanessaE[L]?
18:06 VanessaE[L]      because. :-)
18:06 VanessaE[L]      (I'm on my laptop.)
18:06 NakedFury        she is late?
18:06 NakedFury        ohh laptop
18:06 NekoGloop        Because she's [Lost]
18:06 NakedFury        could also be VanessaE[M] for mobile
18:07 sokomine         hmm. i want an npc that does the roof of a house :-)
18:08 Jordach          hello nekoGloop
18:08 bulletrulz       sokomine, it was lagging
18:08 InuGloop         Woof.
18:09 sokomine         most of the time it seems to work now (more or less - some lag is always there...)
18:09 sokomine         it still laggs considerably when using creative inv
18:09 * Jordach        is working on a female model skin
18:09 Jordach          -model
18:10 Taoki            Jordach: Yes, hats are implemented now. So all MineCraft skins will work
18:10 Jordach          super sweet
18:11 VanessaE[L]      yes and they look good
18:11 VanessaE[L]      sokomine, care to link to that last good screenshot of me?
18:11 * InuGloop       got a 7:1 k/d ratio woot!
18:15 bulletrulz       inu gllop is nekogloop
18:16 Jordach          we know
18:16 bulletrulz       lol
18:16 OldCoder         Let NekoGloop figure out who he wishes to be
18:16 bulletrulz       a boy or a girl LOL XD
18:16 OldCoder         Let it go
18:17 bulletrulz       OldCoder, what the name of your os?
18:17 InuGloop         inu is dog. neko is cat
18:18 bulletrulz       lol WTF
18:18 * Jordach        knows a lot of japanese
18:18 OldCoder         InuGloop, that makes sense in a way
18:18 OldCoder         InuYasha
18:18 OldCoder         Like that?
18:18 OldCoder         Is InuGloop an inushounen?
18:19 OldCoder         Or, rather, *was* InuGloop an inushounen?
18:19 PilzAdam         wtf?!?
18:19 OldCoder         PilzAdam, ?
18:19 PilzAdam         did I just saw a dog transforming to a cat?!?!
18:19 OldCoder         Yep
18:19 NekoGloop        Yes. Yes you did.
18:19 OldCoder         Woofmeow
18:19 bulletrulz       PilzAdam, YEP
18:19 Jordach          oh christ, what have we done!!!!
18:19 Jordach          O.O
18:19 bulletrulz       lol
18:19 OldCoder         It is no big deal
18:20 * Jordach        sneaks off
18:20 * NekoGloop      yawns
18:20 OldCoder         Dogs into cats are an everyday occurrence surely
18:20 * bulletrulz     cathes Jordach
18:20 OldCoder         cats Jordach?
18:20 Jordach          i like TRAINS
18:20 bulletrulz       a train hits jordach
18:20 OldCoder         A train of thought
18:21 * NekoGloop      meow
18:21 bulletrulz       trololololololololololololololololololololololololololoolololololololololololololollololololol
18:22 bulletrulz       ;p
18:22 Jordach          wait, did neko use a silent /nick?
18:22 NekoGloop        What?
18:23 NekoGloop        No, you just didnt notice me changing nicks.
18:23 Jordach          oh yes, there was a /nick
18:25 * Jordach        is trying HD skins
18:27 * john_minetest  exists
18:28 bulletrulz       OldCoder, did u try qupzilla?
18:29 * rubenwardy     is thinking about the life, universe and...
18:29 OldCoder         bulletrulz, I won't be able to build it until December or January
18:29 bulletrulz       lol why?
18:29 bulletrulz       OldCoder, why?
18:29 OldCoder         bulletrulz, I am under water with things; over my head
18:29 OldCoder         Trying to straighten everything out
18:30 bulletrulz       well your gonna drown lol
18:30 OldCoder         That's a cheerful thought bulletrulz :-)
18:30 OldCoder         Thank you for the support!
18:31 Jordach          rubenwardy 42?
18:31 rubenwardy       everything
18:31 rubenwardy       == 42 :D
18:32 Jordach          OldCoder - some monty python: he's not the messiah; he's a very naughty boy!
18:32 OldCoder         k
18:34 rubenwardy       i didnt vote for you!
18:37 bulletrulz       OldCoder, wtf
18:37 bulletrulz       xDDD
18:37 rubenwardy       monty python quotes
18:37 Jordach          rubenwardy - a test of a hd skin http://i.imgur.com/yxZiZ.png
18:38 VanessaE[L]      that is HD?
18:38 OldCoder         bulletrulz, ?
18:38 VanessaE[L]      nice though,.
18:38 OldCoder         High Definition I assume
18:38 Jordach          thats a 2x the size of a normal
18:38 Jordach          (faces have 8x, this being 16x)
18:38 VanessaE[L]      that ain't HD but it is nice
18:38 Jordach          also, 16px mt logo
18:40 VanessaE[L]      to call it HD it needs to be like 128px across by 256px vertically
18:40 VanessaE[L]      (relative to the whole model)
18:41 Jordach          hell no
18:41 Jordach          anything above default is hd
18:41 Jordach          because it contains more pixels
18:42 VanessaE[L]      then half the mods for MT are HD including some nodes in homedecor :-)
18:42 bulletrulz       mijyns new game
18:42 bulletrulz       https://t.co/juocc5bh
18:47 bulletrulz       gonna play some freedm onlinr
18:50 PilzAdam         brb
18:50 VanessaE[L]      bbl
18:51 VanessaE[L]      or rather, moving to the PC where I can see wtf I'm doing. One screen ain't enough :D
18:51 Jordach          vanessaE - http://imgur.com/a/bP0Xy
18:51 Jordach          theres a difference. but its the same t
18:51 Jordach          +p
18:51 rubenwardy       (6:37:52 PM) Jordach: rubenwardy - a test of a hd skin http://i.imgur.com/yxZiZ.png
18:51 rubenwardy       cool
18:53 Jordach          jeezus h. the ipad is louder than my old droid tab
18:54 Jordach          my headphones are reaching almost 90db with my mic testing
18:55 VanessaE         there.  a normal keyboard, two normal monitors, and a normal chair and desk. :-)
18:55 Jordach          vanessaE
18:55 Jordach          http://imgur.com/a/bP0Xy find the difference
18:55 Calinou          multiscreen on linux? oh you made it work, you deserve nobel prize
18:56 Calinou          :>
18:56 VanessaE         OldCoder: btw, no it doesn't use leveldb (you asked earlier, I didn't see it till just now)
18:56 VanessaE         Calinou: nVidia 99, ATI 4. :-)
18:57 VanessaE         dual-screen "just works" on ATI drivers :-)
18:57 Calinou          nvidia too
18:57 Jordach          same for windows :3
18:57 Calinou          you can even choose what to do: separate x server, twinview...
18:57 PilzAdam         what is this script for? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/master/util/wireshark
18:58 OldCoder         VanessaE, ty. I am committed to LevelDB now and I recommend it be merged into main.
18:59 VanessaE         OldCoder: have you guys solved the cross-compatibility issue with old maps?
19:00 OldCoder         VanessaE, Which one?
19:00 OldCoder         The SQLite3 export issue? yes
19:00 ruskie           OldCoder, did you upgrade europe yet?
19:00 OldCoder         Can go back and forth
19:00 VanessaE         about automatically importing old sql maps
19:00 OldCoder         ruskie, No
19:00 OldCoder         VanessaE, Not following. I can convert back and forth if that is what you mean.
19:01 OldCoder         WorldEdit can be used reliably too
19:01 VanessaE         OldCoder: well remember that before, you had to make changes to the program and/or world config files to force it to use leveldb?
19:01 OldCoder         Though not for entire maps; too large
19:01 OldCoder         VanessaE, the world.mt file must be edited to specify the desired mode. No changes are required now to the main config.
19:02 OldCoder         VanessaE, It is a one-line change. Makes sense as the engine still supports both modes.
19:02 VanessaE         what about defaulting to leveldb for new worlds?
19:02 OldCoder         VanessaE, I could make that change easily
19:02 VanessaE         I recommend it.
19:02 OldCoder         It would be trivial I think
19:02 OldCoder         Very well
19:02 VanessaE         the less things a new user has to edit in their configs, the better.
19:02 OldCoder         VanessaE, sure
19:03 Jordach          yeah, like how mc, always converts the old format into the new
19:05 Penguin          hey
19:06 Penguin          ?
19:08 VanessaE         celeron55, sokomine, anyone else who wants to test it, the test server with congestions_settings is up, with the previously-discussed congestion_control_min_rate = 50 added to the config.  Running a copy of the same world, same collection of mods, same skins, and otherwise the same config file as the main server.
19:08 VanessaE         24.181.193.82 port 30001 for congestion_settings  (port 30000 for the master branch)
19:10 Jordach          rubenwardy - your player skin forum needs a download all for packaging for PilzAdam's mod
19:14 Jordach          hm, i've been working on a "super" file type
19:14 khonkhortisan    carts clone themselves now
19:14 Jordach          uh-oh
19:15 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: saw that.  don't know how to fix it.  PilzAdam, that's your call :-)
19:16 PilzAdam         hm, what?
19:16 VanessaE         carts.  that's your mod is it not?
19:16 PilzAdam         yep, let me read the log
19:16 VanessaE         they're cloning themselves occasionally, and sometimes won't go down a hill.
19:16 khonkhortisan    right-click a cart, get one in the inventory, the cart stays there
19:16 sokomine         ah
19:16 rubenwardy       (7:10:54 PM) Jordach: rubenwardy - your player skin forum needs a download all for packaging for PilzAdam's mod
19:16 rubenwardy       What do you mean? As in a program that fetches each persons skin?
19:17 Jordach          nono, like hitting zipball on github
19:17 rubenwardy       http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/avatar/files/
19:17 VanessaE         no one wants to try out the 0.4.4 congestion_settings branch?
19:17 sokomine         the not getting down a hill seems to be in combination with turns. turn + height change -> doesn't work from one side (might still work from the other side)
19:17 VanessaE         (your regular 0.4.4 should suffice I guess?_
19:18 PilzAdam         VanessaE, cloning carts are an engine bug
19:18 sokomine         item and node definition have arrived. waiting for media
19:19 sokomine         seems to have arrived
19:19 VanessaE         sokomine: did you clear your minetest cache?
19:19 sokomine         no....ought to have done that i think
19:19 VanessaE         yeah, log out, clear it, log in
19:19 sokomine         but at least i didn't get that one-minute-delay like yesterday
19:19 VanessaE         let's see what this baby can do :D
19:19 khonkhortisan    Remember the dirt_with_grass-desert_sand transition? It looks right if they're at the same height, but if the dirt is placed one node above the sand, there's holes in the dirt.
19:19 sokomine         where's the cache stored?
19:20 VanessaE         ~/.minetest/cache
19:20 VanessaE         just delete the whole subdir
19:20 * sokomine       looks frighened
19:20 VanessaE         lol
19:20 sokomine         well, you're not the one who has to wait until all that media arrives again :-)
19:20 VanessaE         yeah it'll make all servers take a while to reload, but it's *worth* it :D
19:20 sokomine         i'll just move it away
19:20 * VanessaE       watches the netowrk meter
19:20 VanessaE         network*
19:21 VanessaE         waiting for you :-)
19:22 sokomine         connecting again
19:22 khonkhortisan    oh that toilet.
19:22 VanessaE         max 20 kB/sec, averaging about 12.
19:22 * khonkhortisan  feels slow
19:22 sokomine         well...the % number does visibly increase
19:23 VanessaE         max 30kB/sec, averaging about 15.
19:23 sokomine         hangs now at 8%...
19:23 sokomine         9...
19:23 sokomine         might make it today :-)
19:23 sokomine         seems faster than the old version already
19:23 rubenwardy       Jordach: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/avatar/zipball.php
19:23 VanessaE         this seems notably faster
19:23 Jordach          rubenwardy - thanks
19:23 VanessaE         but still far below my max..
19:23 Jordach          now its easier to include them with PilzAdam's mod
19:24 sokomine         well, my max download rate is 1/3 of your upload rate, so...it will take time with a lot of mods
19:24 VanessaE         congestion_control_aim_rtt = 0.2  <-- lets tweak this to 0.75 and see what it breaks :D
19:24 sokomine         28%
19:24 VanessaE         soko: oh you're flooding your downlink already?
19:24 sokomine         but such a number at least gives hope
19:24 sokomine         don't think so. just wanted to say that my download isn't that high and will not be able to fill your upload
19:25 VanessaE         oh ok.
19:25 VanessaE         alright, close it off.
19:25 VanessaE         lemme tweak that other setting.
19:25 VanessaE         maybe 0.6 is right.
19:25 sokomine         hmpf :-( i already got 59% :)
19:25 sokomine         but tweak it
19:25 VanessaE         ok, clear your cache and try again
19:26 sokomine         it was considerably faster and did transmit ~5 mb
19:26 sokomine         ok...trying again
19:26 VanessaE         oh yeah, it's moving faster now
19:26 VanessaE         seems to be averaging 25-30 kB/sec
19:27 VanessaE         at my end anyway
19:27 VanessaE         well it was :-)
19:27 sokomine         10%
19:27 VanessaE         what's your ping time to me?
19:27 * khonkhortisan  doesn't agree with /giveme being a different privilage than creative
19:28 sokomine         around 125 ms
19:28 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: sure, simple:  you shouldn't be able to get say water source in creative if the admin doesn't want it to be there, but still get it with a /giveme if you have that priv
19:28 * sokomine       nods to khonkhortisan and has thought the same a few minutes ago while trying to build with a too-slow creative inv
19:28 sokomine         givme would have been faster i think
19:28 khonkhortisan    well, I meant I should be able to skip to the last item in the creative list without clicking the button 65 times
19:29 khonkhortisan    huh. Carts don't stack.
19:29 sokomine         and maybe filling part of the inv automaticly with predefined things, e.g. "bathroom", "kitchen", "doors", "light", "stairs", ...
19:29 sokomine         might be faster to do that in one go
19:30 sokomine         70%
19:30 VanessaE         khonkhortisan: RBA has a "unified inventory" that remedies that.
19:30 sokomine         definitely faster than previously
19:31 sokomine         (the automatic filling beeing subject to buttons pressed or commands typed in)
19:31 sokomine         81%
19:31 VanessaE         sokomine: much better.
19:31 sokomine         definitely
19:31 VanessaE         now I need someone with a good, fat pipe to try it.
19:31 khonkhortisan    Having played open transport tycoon deluxe and simutrans, I will be playing with the rails.
19:31 VanessaE         brb
19:32 khonkhortisan    know what page the signal is on?
19:32 sokomine         just make sure you don't go up or down immediately after a turn. that does not seem to work
19:33 khonkhortisan    If I'm going down a mine shaft, and it splits into three directions, how would I decide which direction to go without the possibility of whizzing by the switch?
19:33 marktraceur      VanessaE: Does this new version have working carts?
19:33 khonkhortisan    some bugs
19:33 khonkhortisan    duplication, stopping down hills
19:33 marktraceur      khonkhortisan: Do carts keep moving through block boundaries?
19:34 marktraceur      khonkhortisan: i.e. if the block isn't loaded at the time
19:34 khonkhortisan    not that I've noticed. I know movestones do that
19:34 marktraceur      Hrm.
19:34 marktraceur      Bollocks to movestones and bollocks to carts not moving if they hit unloaded blocks.
19:35 marktraceur      I can walk anyway
19:35 sokomine         well, and moving up/downhill is strange since it is rather hopping than gliding :-) but that's a minor problem
19:35 khonkhortisan    yeah, it makes roller coasters not fun
19:37 thexyz           does anybody know what's the license of http://api.minetest.net contents?
19:37 sokomine         using creative inv is still so slow that it's almost unusable
19:37 rubenwardy       thexyz: i wrote the "getting started" page
19:38 rubenwardy       that is wtfpl
19:38 thexyz           because i'm planning to convert this one to mediawiki and don't know which license to use
19:39 thexyz           cc0 is fine for documentation, isn't it?
19:40 OldCoder         thexyz, CC-BY-NC-SA ?
19:41 Jordach          OldCoder thats my license
19:41 OldCoder         k
19:41 Jordach          (what i use often)
19:41 thexyz           OldCoder: i don't like NC part
19:41 Calinou          CC BY FTW
19:41 OldCoder         thexyz, there are multiple variations of course
19:43 Calinou          unrelated: anyone hosts a server with latest git?
19:43 VanessaE         Calinou: I do.
19:43 Calinou          minetest.ru:12345 is empty
19:43 thexyz           and i don't understand "attribution" part (in relation to wiki), should i attribute anybody who modified that page?
19:44 thexyz           Calinou: it's up (at least)
19:44 VanessaE         Calinou: 0.4.4 built about half an hour ago, 24.181.193.82 port 30001 if you wanna help me test the congestion_settings or port 30000 for the master branch
19:44 VanessaE         (the world on 30001 is a temporary copy of the world on 30000)
19:45 Calinou          thexyz: that's why CC licenses get quickly annoying for wikis :/
19:45 Calinou          then use something like CC0 or WTFPL...
19:45 VanessaE         Calinou: wrong one, use port 30001.
19:47 thexyz           Calinou: then there's problem with code samples, as they will often be non cc0-compatible (like minimal or minetest_game)
19:50 khonkhortisan    Could not open file of texture: character.png ... Loaded mesh: character.x
19:50 khonkhortisan    PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image ... you people look black now
19:51 jin_xi           wtf VanessaE is your server ever not shutting down ;)
19:51 VanessaE         jin_xi: I restarted it to remove an obsolete setting.
19:51 VanessaE         try again.
19:52 VanessaE         wow, now THAT's what I'm talking about.
19:52 VanessaE         jin_xi gets > 50 KB/sec.
19:52 VanessaE         that's an order of magnitude better than before.
19:55 khonkhortisan    aah! I built a four-loop circular railroad and it threw the cart
19:55 khonkhortisan    10 nodes away from a turn
19:55 VanessaE         lol
19:56 Calinou          when trying to start a second MT instance, I get this: X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
19:56 Calinou          wtf
19:56 Calinou          never seen this before :|
19:56 VanessaE         out of video mem?
19:56 Calinou          how can I check? :P
19:57 VanessaE         no clue
19:57 Calinou          there, started two instances
19:57 VanessaE         jin_xi: you alive on the congestion_setting server?
19:59 PilzAdam         gtg; bye
20:01 VanessaE         jin_xi, turn your F2 chat back on you schmuck :)
20:03 sokomine         connecting a second time is really fast now
20:03 VanessaE         celeron55: the congestion settings help with download speeds, but access to the creative inventory is still laggy (for jin_xi anyway)
20:04 sokomine         for me too. changing a page, taking something out of creative inv, putting something in the trash-field...all that takes too long
20:05 VanessaE         is there a particular reason the client can't predict that stuff and just..go?
20:06 VanessaE         like with digging/placing nodes
20:06 celeron55        thexyz: do you have the sql dump?
20:08 celeron55        VanessaE: the reason is that implementing such prediction on the existing system explodes brains
20:08 VanessaE         lol
20:08 VanessaE         ok, fair enough :D
20:08 VanessaE         celeron55: you gonna clear your cache and sign in to the server or what? :-)
20:08 celeron55        i might try
20:08 VanessaE         ok
20:09 rubenwardy       bye all
20:09 VanessaE         ciao rubenwardy
20:09 thexyz           celeron55: of what?
20:09 celeron55        i need to build master first though
20:09 VanessaE         oh ok.
20:09 celeron55        i was doing something completely different
20:10 VanessaE         no problem, you said you were waiting, but I don't want to harass
20:10 VanessaE         (much :D )
20:11 thexyz           http://i.imgur.com/fDmgi.png
20:12 thexyz           i'll just convert current api site to mediawiki one and then ask celeron55 to replace it
20:13 celeron55        so you do have the sql?
20:13 celeron55        maybe i don't need to ask that...
20:13 celeron55        cornernote didn't mention any license, but he clearly wanted people to continue using and improving it, so maybe we'll just go with CC BY-SA like minetest generally does
20:14 celeron55        (for the license issue)
20:15 thexyz           celeron55: no, i don't have it
20:15 celeron55        http://c55.me/random/2012-11/minetest_api_2012-11-08.sql
20:15 VanessaE         celeron55: it's GPL v3
20:15 VanessaE         https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-game_wiki
20:15 celeron55        not the same thin
20:15 celeron55        +g
20:15 VanessaE         oh ok
20:15 thexyz           celeron55: thanks, though i guess that'd not help
20:15 VanessaE         oops, you're right.  I misread that
20:15 * VanessaE       sighs
20:16 celeron55        VanessaE: the server loads slow as hell
20:17 celeron55        :30001 one
20:17 celeron55        not better than :30000 at all
20:17 VanessaE         what's your ping time to me?
20:17 celeron55        rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 152.387/156.889/163.729/4.082 ms
20:17 VanessaE         hrm.  Not bad.
20:18 celeron55        i'll see what happens if i use the branch too
20:19 VanessaE         ok
20:19 celeron55        what congestion_control_aim_rtt do you have there currently?
20:19 VanessaE          0.6
20:20 VanessaE         min_rate is 50 as previously suggested.
20:20 celeron55        raising both so much is probably not a good idea
20:21 VanessaE         probably not heh
20:21 celeron55        but anyway, that won't matter in terms of speed, only lag
20:21 celeron55        not better
20:21 VanessaE         celeron55: max 60 kB/sec to you just now.  That's much better than before.
20:22 VanessaE         seems to average ~20kB/sec though
20:22 VanessaE         well 25 or so anyway
20:22 celeron55        ehm
20:22 celeron55        it pulls around 12.5kBps
20:22 celeron55        just like :30001
20:23 VanessaE         I wonder how much of this is just networking overhead?  I'm going by my net meter in xfce
20:23 celeron55        i have no idea what it's showing to you
20:23 celeron55        i'm trusting the meter of my icewm taskbar
20:23 VanessaE         I wonder if there's just some simple packet loss going on
20:23 VanessaE         hard to tell though
20:24 khonkhortisan    when climbing a rail up into the sky, a cart needs dirt under the rail every two nodes. When going horizontally in the air. the cart bobs. It requires something under the rail only at the end when going horizontally.
20:24 celeron55        ping doesn't seem to see packet loss
20:25 OldCoder         babyface1031, Hi
20:25 babyface1031     hi OldCoder
20:26 leo_rockway      khonkhortisan: I noticed this too.
20:26 leo_rockway      there's no 3rd person view in minetest, is there?
20:26 khonkhortisan    nope
20:26 VanessaE         no
20:26 khonkhortisan    there's fov, though
20:27 leo_rockway      fov?
20:27 khonkhortisan    makes you look like a dretch from tremulous
20:27 leo_rockway      oh...
20:27 khonkhortisan    where you can see much further sideways
20:27 leo_rockway      how can that be done?
20:28 khonkhortisan    it's not in my config anymore. fov = 180 maybe?
20:28 leo_rockway      it's funny how explaining what "fov" is was so much faster for me when you said "dretch" hehe.
20:28 leo_rockway      thanks, I'll try that out.
20:28 VanessaE         "field of view"
20:28 leo_rockway      thank you
20:29 khonkhortisan    huh. I dug a hole, filled it back in, and was down one cobble. (or dirt, not really sure)
20:29 * OldCoder       is AFK briefly on an errand
20:30 khonkhortisan    oh. coal :)
20:30 OldCoder         Coal Cool
20:31 khonkhortisan    Do rails move at mostly constant speeds? I could make a stop-motion movie by passing by art walls
20:32 leo_rockway      khonkhortisan: there's a max speed in the init.lua
20:32 khonkhortisan    but moving horizontally, is it mostly constant?
20:32 leo_rockway      if you move in a straight line, I think you go at the same speed
20:32 leo_rockway      I think so
20:38 khonkhortisan    game of life is turing complete. who would've thunk it.
20:41 bulletrulz       http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-run-chromeos-in-ubuntu this is kinda cool but only 64 bit :/
20:42 leo_rockway      khonkhortisan: game of life in mesecons o.o
20:43 khonkhortisan    hmm
20:43 khonkhortisan    probably have to build the display at a 90-degree angle from the math, to be able to expand
20:49 thexyz           http://wapi.minetest.ru/minetest.register_chatcommand
20:52 bulletrulz       lmgtfy
20:57 khonkhortisan    Can anyone make a rail-powered moving picture?
21:00 VanessaE         put it on the last train to clarksville?
21:00 VanessaE         :-)
21:01 khonkhortisan    have the rail move past colored walls. But the rail moves pretty slow.
21:02 VanessaE         slit effect.
21:02 khonkhortisan    don't have the slit right yet
21:02 VanessaE         drive past a wall of 1-node-wide slits with images places 2 nodes behind them
21:02 VanessaE         problem is the speed of the cart.
21:03 khonkhortisan    oh. I was moving toward the walls
21:04 VanessaE         take advantage of the parallax between the holes in the wall and the images/nodes placed behind those holes
21:04 VanessaE         the farther back they are, the more sharply they'll appear/disappear
21:04 VanessaE         get the cart moving fast enough and they will turn into an animated image.
21:05 khonkhortisan    that'll work much better than driving through the frame
21:05 VanessaE         yes
21:05 VanessaE         the further back they are, though, the more likely it is for you to see adjacent images
21:06 khonkhortisan    I'm feeling the limit of how increasing the image size makes the slits further apart, reducing the frame rate.
21:06 khonkhortisan    Interesting, a smaller image draws faster.
21:09 VanessaE         lol!  on my test server:   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1135824894.png
21:09 VanessaE         does that mean someone thinks c55 should sit in the corner? :D
21:09 VanessaE         (no, I didn't do that)
21:09 khonkhortisan    nice textures
21:11 sokomine         oh :-) poor c55 :-
21:11 VanessaE         haha
21:15 khonkhortisan    if only I had 45-degree walls
21:16 khonkhortisan    is there a node that has a really tiny hole in it?
21:16 VanessaE         not that I can think of
21:16 VanessaE         closest might be an inverted stair
21:17 VanessaE         (or regular one)
21:17 VanessaE         that's at least a 1/4-node hole anyway
21:17 khonkhortisan    I realy like the campfire
21:17 khonkhortisan    furnace at home, campfire on the go
21:18 VanessaE         or a homedecor oven if you're not "roughing" it :-)
21:18 khonkhortisan    I still want to use the stovetop
21:18 VanessaE         better to make a separate node for that
21:19 VanessaE         a really thin nodebox-based one, that acts as another, much slower oven
21:19 khonkhortisan    rail switches could be used for alternate storylines
21:20 sokomine         stovetop?
21:20 khonkhortisan    the burners on the top of the homedecor oven don't work
21:21 sokomine         ah, ok
21:22 VanessaE         right, in order for that to happen, either I have to move them into a separate "cookstove" object, or someone has to figure out how to make it give a different formspec depending on clicking the top versus the front/sides :-)
21:23 khonkhortisan    allow_formspec(...) does stuff on right click, returns true to show formspec <-- a missing feature
21:26 khonkhortisan    elastigirl: the first video on http://blog.blendimages.com/2012/11/11/slit-scan-distorted-dance-video-the-new-gangnam-style/
21:27 khonkhortisan    creepy
21:29 thexyz           celeron55: http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page
21:35 khonkhortisan    almost a full second between two 3x3 node frames
21:43 leo_rockway      khonkhortisan: if you'll do the animation thing, you can include note blocks, connected to the mesecon rail
21:43 leo_rockway      then you have music and animation
21:44 khonkhortisan    I'm using regular rail. Mesecon rail lights up under the cart?
21:45 leo_rockway      in MC, the redstone rail activates when the cart is over it, I think.
21:45 iqualfragile     nope
21:45 khonkhortisan    but there's a mesecon stop rail
21:45 iqualfragile     in mc the redstone rail stops the minecart if its not powered
21:45 leo_rockway      I saw a guy that made lights turn on when the cart got over certain rails
21:45 khonkhortisan    player detector?
21:46 iqualfragile     otherwise it accelerates it
21:46 leo_rockway      maybe
21:46 OldCoder         Back
21:46 leo_rockway      iqualfragile: true...
21:46 iqualfragile     there is no detector rail afaik
21:46 leo_rockway      hold on, let me look the tutorial up and see if it applies to mesecons too
21:46 khonkhortisan    you can make a floor filled with ghoststone that disappears when the object detector in the center of the room activates
21:46 iqualfragile     well, my last game of minecraft dates 5 months back so that informaiton might be slightly out of date
21:47 leo_rockway      I've never actually really played
21:47 leo_rockway      just tried it out to compare it to MT
21:48 khonkhortisan    is there a way to make one-way rail?
21:49 iqualfragile     uh, wait a moment
21:49 iqualfragile     does that mean that there are/will be working carts in minetest?
21:49 bulletrulz       hi
21:50 VanessaE         there are.
21:50 bulletrulz       iqualfragile, there aready is??
21:50 khonkhortisan    they mostly work, unless you change rail direction twice in two nodes, or the other thing I already forgot
21:50 leo_rockway      they work already
21:50 VanessaE         sokomine and I have been playing with them on my server.
21:50 leo_rockway      khonkhortisan: if there are no blocks under the rails
21:50 iqualfragile     if you refer to pilzadams carts: last time i tried those they were quite buggy
21:50 leo_rockway      they bob
21:50 leo_rockway      iqualfragile: there's a new branch that works with the new 3D players.
21:51 * marktraceur    asks foolishly whether 0.4.4 is going to be released soon (or if it will be 0.5 because of tghe big new player-facing stuff)
21:51 marktraceur      the*
21:51 iqualfragile     mind sending me a link?
21:51 khonkhortisan    I don't care if it's released, it works for me :P
21:52 marktraceur      khonkhortisan: For those of us running production servers it would be nice to have some indication of "hey this is stable now"
21:52 marktraceur      Not to mention builds.
21:52 khonkhortisan    I don't know how only the head sticks out when in a cart
21:53 leo_rockway      http://youtu.be/Wta7K7hG__I
21:53 leo_rockway      those are the neww things
21:53 leo_rockway      new*
21:53 iqualfragile     there are people out there not using the latest git
21:53 iqualfragile     (linux people)
21:54 leo_rockway      fair enough
21:55 bulletrulz       my charger is starting to brake noooooooooo!!!
21:55 marktraceur      bulletrulz: So accelerate again! Jeez, it's not the end of the world to lose velocity.
21:57 bulletrulz       marktraceur, no i mean its a mess up in the cord itself
21:57 marktraceur      bulletrulz: What, your brake lines were cut? That's pretty serious, man.
21:59 bulletrulz       marktraceur, i know but cords for it ar eonly like 30$
21:59 leo_rockway      mmhhh... yeah, the tutorial I saw uses detector rails
21:59 leo_rockway      there's no such thing in mesecons?
22:00 marktraceur      bulletrulz: Yeah, just don't drive anywhere for a while, that's dangerous.
22:02 bulletrulz       marktraceur, not in a car on my laptop charger lol
22:02 marktraceur      bulletrulz: Wait, what about your laptop charger is braking?
22:03 marktraceur      bulletrulz: It seems like its normal state is at rest, it seems counter-intuitive to put brakes on such a thing.
22:04 VanessaE         maybe he keeps sliding it across the floor?
22:04 marktraceur      VanessaE: That might do it, but even then, friction would be enough of an opposition that it wouldn't do any damage to the charger. Besides, he wouldn't be able to control the charger if he gave it enough velocity to slide and then let go....
22:06 VanessaE         lol
22:06 * marktraceur    sighs, kids these days
22:08 leo_rockway      marktraceur: oh, give him a brake!
22:08 leo_rockway      geez
22:09 marktraceur      leo_rockway: Oh, I'll give him a brake all right
22:11 khonkhortisan    server freeze?
22:17 kaeza            hey guys
22:21 marktraceur      kaeza: Bye!
22:27 kaeza            hello
22:28 marktraceur      kaeza: Welcome back!
22:28 VanessaE         hey kaeza
22:28 kaeza            hi mark!
22:28 kaeza            hi V
22:28 kaeza            anything new?
22:28 VanessaE         you missed the test server :-)
22:29 kaeza            oohh
22:29 kaeza            new commit?
22:29 VanessaE         same IP, port 30001.
22:29 VanessaE         it runs c55's "congestion_setting" branch
22:29 VanessaE         clear your cache first, then try it.
22:29 VanessaE         see if it works better than the one on 30000
22:29 VanessaE         but don't build anything serious there, that world will be deleted soon.
22:30 Renoki           I think I'll play some Minetest
22:31 Kacey            hello
22:32 kaeza            VanessaE: you will like this: http://minecraft.novaskin.me/
22:32 kaeza            I'm gonna try connecting
22:32 VanessaE         nice editor
22:33 leo_rockway      what's "congestion_setting"?
22:33 kaeza            hey Kacey
22:34 Kacey            im in school lol
22:34 VanessaE         leo_rockway: a test to see if we can improve bandwidth without a major recode of the network stack basicallt :-)
22:34 VanessaE         basically*
22:34 kaeza            Kacey: shoudn't you be "studying"
22:34 kaeza            ?
22:35 Kacey            no there was a technology test
22:35 kaeza            good
22:35 leo_rockway      VanessaE: is it passing the tests?
22:35 Kacey            only ten minutes till the end of school
22:35 kaeza            k
22:36 kaeza            lol
22:36 VanessaE         leo_rockway: not yet.
22:36 VanessaE         kaeza: so...  clear your ~/.minetest/cache and sign on already, port 30001
22:36 VanessaE         :-)
22:36 kaeza            VanessaE: now connecting @ 34%
22:36 VanessaE         ah, so you are :-)
22:36 kaeza            yeah
22:36 VanessaE         how's it behaving for you now?
22:37 kaeza            just a few minutes and I'm in
22:37 VanessaE         I mean the media download
22:37 Kacey            still need to compile it
22:37 VanessaE         Kacey: get the very very very latest git when you do.
22:38 Kacey            there is a new one?!?!?!?!
22:38 kaeza            50% now
22:38 kaeza            quite fast
22:38 kaeza            at least faster than yesterday/today earlier
22:38 VanessaE         like, fetch from git right before you start compiling.  anything more than about 12-18 hours ago is too old :D
22:38 leo_rockway      VanessaE: just latest master or some other branch?
22:38 VanessaE         leo_rockway: latest master is fine.
22:38 VanessaE         the congestion_setting branch is only for the server end I guess
22:38 leo_rockway      I have a speed hack, though :S
22:38 leo_rockway      I'd have to disable that
22:38 kaeza            you still have a minetest from 12 hours ago? so oldschool :)
22:38 leo_rockway      I had just compiled it too
22:39 VanessaE         kaeza: haha
22:39 leo_rockway      I run a script that pulls from git nightly. If there are changes, it builds.
22:39 kaeza            80% for me. almost there
22:39 VanessaE         kaeza: that's at least an order of magnitude faster for you, isn't it?
22:40 kaeza            yup. a record of 3 minutes
22:40 Renoki           meh..
22:40 kaeza            previously this was like half an hour
22:40 VanessaE         kaeza: that's consistent with what I'd expect given the size of the media being downloaded.
22:40 leo_rockway      what's the default walkspeed_max? 4?
22:40 Renoki           playing this makes me think "Why don't I just play Minecraft instead?"
22:40 kaeza            i'm in
22:40 Uberi            anyone know why the flatland mod is so SLOOOW?
22:41 Kacey            5 more minutes
22:41 Renoki           any servers I can join?
22:41 VanessaE         no idea uberi
22:41 Uberi            I wrote my own that only generates a 1 block thick ground
22:41 Uberi            but even that is slow
22:41 VanessaE         celeron55: you seeing this? some users ARE seeing an improvement with that branch in place on the server.
22:41 Uberi            TCP blocks?
22:42 * leo_rockway    builds without speed hack
22:42 leo_rockway      oh, new shaders branch!
22:42 * leo_rockway    likes
22:43 leo_rockway      what's the IP and port?
22:43 VanessaE         for the main server, 24.181.193.82 port 30000
22:43 leo_rockway      for the one for the tests
22:43 VanessaE         for the testing-only server, port 30001.
22:43 leo_rockway      okay, I'm joining 30001 then
22:43 Uberi            oh that shaders_v4 thing, I sure hope that works with my GPU
22:44 Renoki           no server browser? :(
22:44 VanessaE         not yet.
22:44 leo_rockway      are the anti-cheat limitations going to be removed?
22:45 VanessaE         anti-cheat is turned off on my servers.
22:45 VanessaE         I hate it. :-)
22:45 leo_rockway      me too
22:45 leo_rockway      particularly since I cheat o.o
22:45 Renoki           does anyone have a server I could join?
22:45 Uberi            Renoki: try http://servers.minetest.ru/
22:45 Renoki           thanks
22:45 leo_rockway      but I never play remote, always local
22:45 Uberi            no problem :)
22:45 leo_rockway      I disabled the cheat just now, to join
22:46 Uberi            there ought to be a good Mesecons build server around
22:46 leo_rockway      I'm downloading 1% of media per second
22:46 VanessaE         that's good
22:46 VanessaE         1%/second is about what I'd expect.
22:46 leo_rockway      100%, now black screen
22:46 VanessaE         that's less than 2 minutes to sign-on versus 20-30 :D
22:46 Uberi            I was building a piston airship today and was thinking about how awesome it would be in PvP
22:49 VanessaE         celeron55: as long as it won't cause a regression, I recommend merging congestion_setting to master.  It's a definite improvement.
23:03 Uberi            ah
23:08 marktraceur      So I asked earlier, don't think I got an answer....is the 3D player + carts branch looking to be merged soon?
23:08 VanessaE         3d players already are.
23:08 VanessaE         0.4.4 has those.
23:08 NakedFury        I thought it already was
23:08 VanessaE         carts is a separate mod.
23:08 marktraceur      VanessaE: Wait, is 0.4.4 released?
23:08 Uberi            3d models was merged today, IIRC
23:09 VanessaE         marktraceur: only via github sources like usual
23:09 VanessaE         Uberi: yesterday
23:09 Uberi            VanessaE: ah OK
23:09 * marktraceur    is shocked, but happy
23:09 * Uberi          still has no sense of time
23:09 marktraceur      VanessaE: Where do the player textures come from, the server?
23:09 VanessaE         marktraceur: I've got two servers running right now (one main, one testing the congestion branch). both 0.4.4 nearly-latest, both with 3d models and carts.
23:09 VanessaE         from the server, yes.
23:10 marktraceur      K.
23:10 VanessaE         I have the player_textures mod, so several people have their own skins :-)
23:10 marktraceur      I think I need to wait for a Windows build before I update my server, and I spend too much time on that server to switch to a new one :P
23:10 VanessaE         heh
23:10 VanessaE         chickenshit :D
23:12 marktraceur      VanessaE: That implies that I'm somehow afraid to change servers...it's not that, but I'd rather forward the existing efforts on one server than start new projects elsewhere!
23:12 VanessaE         fair enough :-)
23:12 Renoki           so uh
23:13 Renoki           will Minetest copy Minecraft exactly or do their own thing in future updates?
23:14 Uberi            well it's never really copied minecraft much
23:14 NakedFury        you are talking about the player models?
23:14 VanessaE         do their own thin, definitely.
23:14 VanessaE         but for now, some stuff is similar to minecraft almost out of necessity
23:14 VanessaE         player models being the same means we now have a large selection of skins
23:15 VanessaE         but new models are possible
23:15 marktraceur      Renoki: The thing is, there are so many opportunities to change the game through mods that saying it's a copy is just a matter of what mod pack you're using.
23:15 Renoki           heh, true
23:15 Taoki            VanessaE: Is your server up and running again? Curious to see my patches to the model from yesterday in practice
23:16 Renoki           what I mostly mean is gameplay
23:16 leo_rockway      I wouldn't like to see enchantment tables...
23:16 VanessaE         Taoki: indeed it is.
23:16 Renoki           like fighting, the combat in Minecraft is horrible.
23:16 Taoki            awesome, willt ry to login
23:16 kaeza            marktraceur I'm trying to compile a windows version right now
23:16 Renoki           I'm hoping for better combat in Minetest
23:16 leo_rockway      Renoki: minetest is an engine, so different people can have different mods and different ames
23:16 VanessaE         24.181.193.82 ports 30000 (main) and 30001 (testing only)
23:16 leo_rockway      the win version was compiled, search the forum
23:16 VanessaE         Renoki: mobs.  we have those.
23:16 Renoki           BRB
23:16 marktraceur      kaeza: I'll need an officially hosted one
23:17 kaeza            t you afraid of virus?
23:17 Taoki            VanessaE: says it couldn't resolve address
23:17 VanessaE         eh?
23:17 Taoki            VanessaE: When I try to connect to your IP, MineTest says it couldn't resolve the address
23:18 VanessaE         leo's on the 30001 server right now?
23:18 Taoki            24.181.193.82:30001 right?
23:18 kaeza            marktraceur: I'm crosscompiling from linux to mingw32, using only official builds of the depends
23:18 VanessaE         yes,.
23:18 leo_rockway      I am
23:18 marktraceur      kaeza: No, but I don't want to point people to http://randomfuckingdownloadsite.com for the download
23:18 Taoki            this is weird, wonder why it does that
23:18 VanessaE         taoki: typo?
23:18 * marktraceur    calls dibs on that domain
23:19 kaeza            marktraceur: I use dropbox download it when it's up to test it and i'll ask the admins later to make it in official
23:20 marktraceur      kaeza: Yeah, Dropbox would be worse.
23:20 VanessaE         Taoki: kaeza is on 30001 also, and khonkhortisan is connected over on 30000
23:20 marktraceur      kaeza: This is for the upcoming FSF-hosted server.
23:21 leo_rockway      the fsf will host a server?
23:21 kaeza            marktraceur: I'm trying to put my 2 cents
23:21 marktraceur      leo_rockway: Yes, soon
23:21 leo_rockway      marktraceur: nice!
23:21 VanessaE         marktraceur: when sfan5 makes his next build, use that.  that's as official as it gets without getting outdated :-)
23:22 marktraceur      VanessaE: Well, there are builds on minetest.net, I figure I'll wait for that.
23:22 VanessaE         marktraceur: I don't think they'll be kept up-to-date there.
23:22 marktraceur      Hrm.
23:22 VanessaE         *shrug*
23:22 * marktraceur    dislikes that idea
23:23 Uberi            I sure hope those get updated
23:23 leo_rockway      marktraceur: http://leorockway.com.ar/gnu+linux.png
23:23 marktraceur      celeron55: Can you at least host sfan5's builds on minetest.net so it's not annoyingly unofficial when getting Windows downloads?
23:23 leo_rockway      marktraceur: I never got to finish the gnu...
23:23 leo_rockway      IDK who did the Tux.
23:23 VanessaE         leo_rockway: cute :-)
23:23 leo_rockway      VanessaE: :D
23:24 marktraceur      leo_rockway: Pretty great!
23:24 Taoki            yeah was a typo lol, connectong now
23:25 leo_rockway      that screenshots seems to be 1 year old
23:26 kaeza            Taoki were you Mitsea something
23:27 Taoki            MirceaKitsune :)
23:27 kaeza1           back
23:27 kaeza1           sorry, modem again
23:28 VanessaE         oops :-)
23:28 kaeza1           Taoki were you Mitsea something?
23:29 Taoki            kaeza1: MirceaKitsune
23:29 Taoki            Miss Tea... that's a nick I haven't thought of :P
23:29 kaeza1           yes typo
23:30 marktraceur      Taoki: We'd need to give you a Pokemon-themed texture, then
23:30 kaeza1           Taoki: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1143900835.jpg
23:30 Taoki            Please give me a pony model and texture if possible :)
23:30 Taoki            kaeza1: Looks nice!
23:30 marktraceur      Taoki: No, Misty! You would be Misty.
23:31 Taoki            that works too
23:32 kaeza            VanessaE: crash on F10 LOL
23:32 VanessaE         heh
23:32 kaeza            first time though
23:35 NakedFury        it never happens to me
23:36 Uberi            worldediting in 40000 nodes is taking a while...
23:38 VanessaE         it'll do that alright
23:40 NakedFury        something like that broke the server when I did
23:40 NakedFury        it
23:40 Taoki            BTW, wanted to mention something else. Since the models code is in, vehicles should theoretically be possible too
23:40 Taoki            You can create a LUA entity, attach a player to it as the driver, then read his key input (RBA's patch) to acccelerate and steer that entity
23:41 kaeza            is RBA's patch in master?
23:41 Taoki            Note that it would be laggy, since it's not local movement. Client sends pressed key to server, server updates movement and sennds that update to clients
23:41 kaeza            or a different branch?
23:41 Taoki            Sure, with models
23:41 kaeza            bbiab
23:42 VanessaE         sweet\
23:43 kaeza            back
23:53 kaeza            F*CK crash on chat
23:53 VanessaE         dammit
23:53 VanessaE         kaeza: wrong port :)
23:53 VanessaE         you went to 30000 that time :D
23:54 NakedFury        hey talking about chat, I have noticed that I cant click anything that is covered by chat
23:54 kaeza            oh it got reset after the crash :)
23:54 kaeza            ok now
23:55 kaeza            NakedFury: that happens
23:55 kaeza            just hide chat with F2