Time  Nick            Message
00:00 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, Hi
00:00 jordan4ibanez   hi
00:00 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, Do you have a patch file for the change NekoGloop wanted
00:00 OldCoder        I was very sorry that I didn't build it right away
00:00 jordan4ibanez   what file
00:00 Taoki           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fwYiCgsfY8\
00:00 Taoki           That's what RBA was talking about... we just did this test on his server :)
00:00 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, You are the one who did some type of animation change
00:00 OldCoder        Is that correct?
00:01 jordan4ibanez   I have no idea
00:01 jordan4ibanez   taoki: windows build? :D
00:01 OldCoder        He really wanted it
00:01 RealBadAngel    jordan4ibanez, not yet, sfan5 is off
00:02 jordan4ibanez   Can someone push that to the main repo?
00:02 RealBadAngel    it will be pushed
00:03 RealBadAngel    by now its on Taoki's git
00:03 jordan4ibanez   It only took 2 years :P Finally, can each player have their own skin?
00:03 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, Yes
00:03 OldCoder        2D is coming now and Taoki has 3D
00:03 RealBadAngel    even HD ones
00:03 jordan4ibanez   Woot! Is this taken from the client?
00:03 Taoki           jordan4ibanez: no more Windows here
00:03 kaeza           back in action
00:04 jordan4ibanez   As i mean by that is, player has a client skin, and then it's sent to the server, or does the server have their skin?
00:04 OldCoder        https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest/commit/37d6c3a2f19854caf6dfeb352cb9f6c50bb52757
00:04 RealBadAngel    btw Taoki, have you fixed the issue with left hand ?
00:04 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, do you have that as a patch?
00:04 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, for 2D it is server side
00:05 jordan4ibanez   No, you can't patch windows' client, you have to compile
00:05 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, are you talking to me?
00:05 OldCoder        I simply need the source diff
00:05 OldCoder        It existed a few weeks ago
00:05 jordan4ibanez   Oldcoder: the source is now in celeron55's main repo
00:05 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, I need the diff
00:05 jordan4ibanez   All you have to do is compile the latest git lol
00:05 OldCoder        Because I am using LevelDB
00:06 OldCoder        No
00:06 OldCoder        I cannot do that
00:06 OldCoder        Unless he has merged thexyz code
00:06 jordan4ibanez   Then idk what to tell you
00:06 OldCoder        Because I am using LevelDB
00:06 OldCoder        It is simple
00:06 OldCoder        wait
00:06 jordan4ibanez   He has, it's been a week since he has
00:06 OldCoder        This was done weeks ago
00:06 OldCoder        Hmm?
00:06 OldCoder        Go on
00:06 OldCoder        LevelDB is merged into main?
00:06 kaeza           Vanessa you here?
00:07 kaeza           or there? :P --->
00:07 * RealBadAngel  pokes VanessaE for signs of life
00:08 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, LevelDB is merged into main?
00:08 jordan4ibanez   Oldcore: I'll be honest with you, i have no idea what you're talking about
00:08 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, I'll be honest with you.
00:08 OldCoder        <jordan4ibanez> He has, it's been a week since he has
00:09 OldCoder        I am just asking you what you mean by that
00:09 kaeza1          FUCKING MODEM!!! AAAAARGH!!!
00:09 OldCoder        <jordan4ibanez> He has, it's been a week since he has
00:09 OldCoder        If the question is not clear never mind. But does this refer to LevelDB?
00:09 OldCoder        I cannot use upstream unless it supports LevelDB as I have about 20 LevelDB worlds
00:10 OldCoder        That is pretty simple
00:10 OldCoder
00:10 jordan4ibanez   https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/1db033478797f0c98afa53896fd7767d7566d69e
00:11 OldCoder        R
00:11 OldCoder        Yes
00:11 OldCoder        Is that available as a patch?
00:11 jordan4ibanez   No
00:11 OldCoder        NekoGloop dug one up I think
00:11 OldCoder        I can't use it then
00:11 jordan4ibanez   Then don't
00:12 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
00:12 OldCoder        There is a GitHub command for it though
00:12 OldCoder        He quoted it
00:12 RealBadAngel    i cant see there anythin bout levelDB
00:13 RealBadAngel    is this pulled even?
00:13 OldCoder        He is not in a good mood; was more helpful about this 3 weeks ago
00:13 OldCoder        NekoGloop wanted that patch
00:13 OldCoder        There is a way to get it from GitHub
00:13 OldCoder        Looking it up now
00:13 RealBadAngel    its not pulled
00:13 jordan4ibanez   Why does he want a patch if he cannot compile?
00:14 OldCoder        I am the one who will compile
00:14 OldCoder        And I need a diff to do so
00:14 jordan4ibanez   pull it
00:14 OldCoder        Pull it where? I need a diff
00:14 RealBadAngel    how have you merged it?
00:14 OldCoder        There is a simple git command for this
00:14 OldCoder        I am not merging
00:14 jordan4ibanez   https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/archive/master.zip
00:15 OldCoder        That is not compatible with thexyz code
00:15 OldCoder        I am using thexyz code
00:15 OldCoder        Because I have 20 worlds with LevelDB
00:15 * OldCoder      sighs
00:15 OldCoder        If you are bored never mind. I am simply trying to help and keep a promise.
00:15 OldCoder        It is a very simple matter.
00:16 OldCoder        It is regrettable. We had the git diff command.
00:16 RealBadAngel    oldcoder, please give me link to the repo containin the patch
00:16 OldCoder        I think that is the commit above
00:16 OldCoder        He seems to be talking about both the animation patch NekoGloop wanted and thexyz LevelDB code.
00:16 OldCoder        Different things.
00:16 RealBadAngel    yes
00:16 RealBadAngel    im talkin DB
00:17 OldCoder        Oh? Go on
00:17 RealBadAngel    need the patch, or the repo that has it
00:18 OldCoder        Oh
00:18 OldCoder        One moment
00:18 RealBadAngel    because i cannot find it
00:18 OldCoder        Do you mean the LevelDB change? Or the other?
00:18 OldCoder        I have LevelDB
00:18 RealBadAngel    levelDB
00:18 OldCoder        Wait
00:19 OldCoder        https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git in db_backends branch
00:19 OldCoder        There's about a 12 line change that is very simple which jordan4ibanez made
00:19 OldCoder        That is what I am trying to get right now
00:19 OldCoder        I promised NekoGloop
00:20 OldCoder        to camera.cpp
00:20 OldCoder        I may have it now
00:20 OldCoder
00:20 OldCoder        --- minetest.old/src/camera.cpp
00:20 OldCoder        +++ minetest/src/camera.cpp
00:20 OldCoder        @@ -189,7 +189,7 @@
00:20 OldCoder
00:20 OldCoder        if (m_digging_button != -1)
00:20 OldCoder        {
00:20 OldCoder        -       f32 offset = dtime * 3.5;
00:20 OldCoder        +       f32 offset = dtime * 4.5;M
00:20 OldCoder
00:21 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, if you are able; is that familiar?
00:21 jordan4ibanez   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3147
00:21 OldCoder        That patch is all I've needed
00:21 OldCoder        R
00:21 bulletrulz      jordan4ibanez, hi
00:22 OldCoder        Yes
00:22 jordan4ibanez   Hi bulletrulz
00:22 bulletrulz      u changed your name back to normal?
00:22 OldCoder        I prefer to make diff files from the actual code. But I think I have the diff. jordan4ibanez
00:22 bulletrulz      not T_A_N_K anymore lol
00:22 bulletrulz      hi MiJyn
00:22 RealBadAngel    damn
00:23 RealBadAngel    i was asking for levelDB patch
00:23 RealBadAngel    not for that animation
00:23 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, there is no patch
00:23 OldCoder        It is in...
00:23 OldCoder        https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git in db_backends branch
00:23 OldCoder        If you wish that code
00:23 bulletrulz      my damn internet IS FUCKING UP atleast its better then dial up1
00:24 RealBadAngel    it consists of a few patches
00:25 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, what are you aiming for?
00:25 OldCoder        Maybe I can help
00:25 RealBadAngel    i quess we have to ask thexyz to prepare new one facing the current tree
00:25 OldCoder        Yes
00:25 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez seemed to be saying this was done
00:25 OldCoder        But then said he did not understand me
00:25 bulletrulz      hmm maybe its just a chrome thing cause its fast on opera
00:26 RealBadAngel    he was talkin bout digging animations
00:26 RealBadAngel    not the levelDB
00:26 OldCoder        Sure?
00:26 OldCoder        All right
00:26 OldCoder        t y
00:26 OldCoder        If I do switch to main eventually
00:26 OldCoder        That will break all the clients; correct?
00:27 RealBadAngel    it will break worlds
00:27 RealBadAngel    i think
00:27 bulletrulz      jordan4ibanez, u have a server?
00:27 OldCoder        Not worlds I hope
00:28 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, are there any upstream diffs you would recommend? I am preparing to build
00:28 jordan4ibanez   No
00:28 bulletrulz      oh
00:28 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, No to which?
00:28 RealBadAngel    OldCoder, main changes are about to come
00:28 OldCoder        I see
00:28 jordan4ibanez   Yea, i have no players to play, lol
00:28 RealBadAngel    Taoki's one is almost ready
00:28 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, will main changes break worlds?
00:28 bulletrulz      lol PS3 for christmas ! ;D fuck xbox lol
00:29 RealBadAngel    we tested it today
00:29 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, Go on
00:29 RealBadAngel    no
00:29 RealBadAngel    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fwYiCgsfY8&feature=plcp
00:29 OldCoder        No time for videos
00:29 RealBadAngel    OldCoder, just watch
00:29 OldCoder        No time for videos sorry
00:29 OldCoder        Seriously
00:29 OldCoder        but t y
00:29 RealBadAngel    its about the changes
00:29 RealBadAngel    you HAVE to see it
00:29 OldCoder        Can you summarize?
00:29 babyface1031    i saw it i cant wait for it on the server
00:30 RealBadAngel    yup
00:30 OldCoder        Summarize then
00:30 RealBadAngel    NO MORE 2D
00:30 OldCoder        Hmm?
00:30 RealBadAngel    its out, kicked, burried, burnt
00:30 RealBadAngel    killed
00:30 OldCoder        Does it support LevelDB?
00:30 RealBadAngel    3d comes on the stage
00:30 OldCoder        <--- Needs that more
00:30 babyface1031    you see the legs move when ppl walk  and thier arm move when they dig
00:30 OldCoder        What is server-client CPU load?
00:31 RealBadAngel    havent noticed differences
00:31 OldCoder        All right
00:31 OldCoder        This will break clients. But not worlds?
00:31 RealBadAngel    no
00:31 OldCoder        All right
00:31 RealBadAngel    but both clients and servers shall be updated
00:31 OldCoder        Of course
00:32 RealBadAngel    minetest_game too
00:32 RealBadAngel    its a complex change
00:32 RealBadAngel    protocol version has changed
00:32 OldCoder        Already; yes
00:32 OldCoder        I saw that
00:32 RealBadAngel    so you wont be able to connect with older builds
00:32 bulletrulz      minetest = more 3d = awesome
00:32 OldCoder        All that is fine
00:33 OldCoder        Right now I am checking for diffs that can be deployed today
00:33 OldCoder        I am preparing to build
00:33 RealBadAngel    hold on for the links
00:33 Muadtralk       i still think 8 directional sprites would be better then 3d :|
00:33 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/models
00:34 RealBadAngel    thats the engine tree
00:34 OldCoder        Yes
00:34 OldCoder        I know
00:34 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest_game/tree/models
00:34 RealBadAngel    and minetest_game
00:35 Octupus         Beeeeeeeeeeeep
00:35 OldCoder        Octupus, traffic coming?
00:35 jin_xi          Hey RealBadAngel, Taoki: 3d looks grrreat!
00:35 Octupus         No :)
00:35 RealBadAngel    Muadtralk, hi. face the fact its 21st century ;)
00:35 RealBadAngel    sprites are like dinosaurs ;)
00:35 bulletrulz      I heard that open suse was bad os?
00:35 bulletrulz      ;p;
00:37 babyface1031    hi Octups
00:38 * Muadtralk     looks at calender
00:38 Muadtralk       its covered in cute little kitty cats
00:38 Muadtralk       copywrite 1999
00:38 Muadtralk       :P
00:39 Muadtralk       i like sprites
00:39 RealBadAngel    wb Taoki
00:40 Octupus         Hi babyface1031
00:40 OldCoder        Dogzilla131, Taoki wb
00:40 OldCoder        bulletrulz, it is indeed
00:40 Taoki           thanks
00:40 Octupus         Hi Dogzilla131
00:40 bulletrulz      OldCoder, open suse isint good
00:41 bulletrulz      lol I like fedora but im more of .deb type of guy
00:41 Muadtralk       so why is it that 2D games are still so popular? they use sprites does that mean terraria is a dinosaur?
00:41 Muadtralk       and with 8 directional sprites it can give a very good feeling of depth
00:42 harrison        .deb4lyfe
00:42 bulletrulz      terriria is not as populaer as people think
00:42 Muadtralk       well i know people who like terraria so i used it as an example
00:42 harrison        the future is ray tracing
00:43 harrison        see spasim.org
00:43 jordan4ibanez   The future is more cores
00:43 jordan4ibanez   amd®
00:43 Muadtralk       ray tracing I am fine with
00:45 bulletrulz      jordan4ibanez, lol
00:45 Muadtralk       on a related note anyone have the AMD bulldozer?
00:45 Muadtralk       or whatever its called
00:47 RealBadAngel    inventory images handling in minetest is fucked up ^2
00:47 RealBadAngel    its insane to get the proper images for all the possibilities
00:48 RealBadAngel    some objects have it, some dont
00:48 RealBadAngel    some have tiles, some animations
00:49 Dogzilla131     How to you use Town Test
00:49 bulletrulz      lol im lauging at this twiglt movie my sister is watching
00:49 RealBadAngel    person responsible for this situation shall be kicked in the ass in public place
00:50 RealBadAngel    its a fuckin mess just
00:51 bulletrulz      the guy gets hes head choped off and shes like omg that didnt happen in the book im like this is hillarous
00:51 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, Hmm?
00:51 OldCoder        Oh!
00:51 OldCoder        K
00:52 Octupus         Tell I'm a beast
00:52 OldCoder        Beast?
00:52 Octupus         Ima dog let me of ma leash now
00:52 OldCoder        Off leash?
00:52 Octupus         Yes
00:52 OldCoder        I do not follow
00:52 OldCoder        Bark?
00:52 bulletrulz      ;p
00:52 Octupus         I Is a song :)
00:52 OldCoder        Ah
00:52 RealBadAngel    me neither
00:52 Octupus         *it
00:53 jordan4ibanez   http://phys.org/news/2011-01-scientists-cores-chip.html AMD 2015
00:53 RealBadAngel    octupus, are you sure you talkin english?
00:55 RealBadAngel    jordan4ibanez, CPU is not enough
00:55 RealBadAngel    memory should follow
00:55 jordan4ibanez   Oh okay, AMD 2016 http://servers.findthebest.com/l/213/Fujitsu-Primergy-RX900-S2
00:55 bulletrulz      w0w j4i
00:55 Octupus         I am English RealBadAngel
00:57 RealBadAngel    but youre talkin like drunk carribean sailor
00:57 Octupus         :3
00:58 OldCoder        Does anybody have more mods they'd like added to my worlds?
00:58 RealBadAngel    Report: technic update not ready
00:58 bulletrulz      oldcoder u got a server
00:58 OldCoder        bulletrulz, about 20
00:59 OldCoder        Some of the worlds are quite lrge
00:59 OldCoder        *large
00:59 bulletrulz      :D
01:00 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/inv3.png
01:00 OldCoder        R
01:00 RealBadAngel    im stuck here
01:00 OldCoder        Stuck how?
01:03 Dogzilla131     How to you get a chest to build in the mod Town Test
01:04 RealBadAngel    some of the nodes have defined field "inventory_image"
01:04 RealBadAngel    some dont
01:04 RealBadAngel    some have tiles
01:04 RealBadAngel    some have animation tiles
01:05 RealBadAngel    engine handles that but not exposing the image to the lua
01:05 VanessaE_[L]    evening all
01:05 RealBadAngel    now tryin to recreate this in LUA
01:05 * VanessaE_[L]  pokes RealBadAngel, OldCoder, Octupus, and whoever else
01:05 OldCoder        Hi
01:06 OldCoder        VanessaE, do you know if upstream has LevelDB yet?
01:06 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, when i will poke you, you gonna fell from your chair
01:06 RealBadAngel    be ready
01:06 RealBadAngel    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fwYiCgsfY8&feature=plcp
01:06 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, it does not.
01:07 OldCoder        VanessaE, t y
01:07 RealBadAngel    click, watch, fell
01:07 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, make a proper patch and issue a pull request
01:07 OldCoder        VanessaE, can I assume there are no more diffs for me to use
01:07 OldCoder        VanessaE, Make a patch how? It is not my change
01:07 OldCoder        It is part of the existing thexyz codebase
01:07 VanessaE_[L]    none of the dev team is gonna touch it until then
01:07 OldCoder        Then I will need to fork
01:07 OldCoder        Because it is not my code
01:07 * OldCoder      shrugs
01:07 VanessaE_[L]    right
01:07 OldCoder        I don't have a patch
01:08 OldCoder        I will attempt to make patches now in the other direction
01:08 OldCoder        Perhaps there are things I can use from upstream
01:08 RealBadAngel    VanessaE_[L], are you watching?
01:08 VanessaE_[L]    barely.
01:09 RealBadAngel    so focus please
01:09 RealBadAngel    this is a great day for minetest
01:09 VanessaE_[L]    the youtube video?
01:09 RealBadAngel    yes
01:10 * VanessaE_[L]  watches.
01:10 Octupus         I yes VanessaE_[L] and hello
01:10 VanessaE_[L]    Taoki|away, te arms need to move too.
01:10 VanessaE_[L]    oh they do.
01:11 VanessaE_[L]    move them more, then (when walking)
01:11 VanessaE_[L]    :-)
01:11 RealBadAngel    how do you like it?
01:11 VanessaE_[L]    I like it a lot in fact.
01:12 VanessaE_[L]    I assume the player model will eventually be shown holding the tool/item?
01:12 RealBadAngel    yes
01:12 RealBadAngel    that im supposed to do tommorow
01:12 VanessaE_[L]    niced
01:12 VanessaE_[L]    nice
01:12 RealBadAngel    code is here already
01:12 Octupus         So we know who holds te lava b4 grief :)
01:13 RealBadAngel    need to apply it just
01:13 VanessaE_[L]    Octupus, indeed.
01:13 RealBadAngel    when you will see the player you gonna see what hes holding
01:13 VanessaE_[L]    yes
01:14 VanessaE_[L]    so when is this going into mainstream, and do we need to go to c55's house and hold him down to force the code in? ;-)
01:14 RealBadAngel    hehhe
01:14 RealBadAngel    exactly
01:14 VanessaE_[L]    suggestion: put the warping back in the knees/elbows
01:15 VanessaE_[L]    make the model bend its legs/arms, differentiate it from MC
01:15 RealBadAngel    it can be tweaked
01:15 RealBadAngel    most important is that it works
01:15 VanessaE_[L]    yes
01:16 OldCoder        Doc22, I am updating
01:16 Doc22           oh awesome
01:16 RealBadAngel    and my patch that c55 and others were complaing too
01:17 Doc22           so the server will VanessaE I like that idea
01:17 OldCoder        VanessaE, RealBadAngel would either of you know commit links I could look at for useful fixes?
01:17 Doc22           wait forget "so the server will"
01:17 Doc22           lol
01:17 VanessaE_[L]    RealBadAngel, can you guys separate this into a patch I can apply against current git master?
01:18 VanessaE_[L]    I'd like to give it a shot...  does it depend on a new server protocol?
01:18 RealBadAngel    yes
01:18 VanessaE_[L]    damn.
01:18 RealBadAngel    hold on
01:18 VanessaE_[L]    = I can't use it yet.
01:18 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest_game/tree/models
01:18 VanessaE_[L]    :(
01:19 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/models
01:19 VanessaE_[L]    I'll wait for it to hit upstream.
01:19 RealBadAngel    the trees are up to date
01:20 RealBadAngel    all the latest commits are in
01:20 bulletrulz      :
01:20 VanessaE_[L]    I'm too lazy to compile it right now anyway (plus I'm on the laptop, it wouldn't make for a fair demo :-) )
01:20 VanessaE_[L]    are we gonna finally give MT a new version number?  maybe just 0.4.4 ?
01:20 VanessaE_[L]    THIS definitely NEEDS it.
01:21 RealBadAngel    server is running all the time here
01:21 VanessaE_[L]    enough of this confusion bullshit from other users who can't figure out one 0.4.3 git build from another :-)
01:21 OldCoder        I am going through all the changes to upstream
01:22 RealBadAngel    77.91.18.205 : 30000
01:22 RealBadAngel    feel free to join
01:22 VanessaE_[L]    RealBadAngel, what about the version number?
01:22 VanessaE_[L]    you guys gonna bump it to 0.4.4 or so?
01:22 RealBadAngel    not up to me
01:23 bulletrulz      lol YOU KNOW that one show minefreaj
01:23 RealBadAngel    but i think such change deserves it
01:23 bulletrulz      minefreak
01:23 VanessaE_[L]    RealBadAngel, submit a patch against the models branch to bump the version number then
01:23 VanessaE_[L]    Taoki|away, you seeing this?
01:24 RealBadAngel    shes away i think
01:24 VanessaE_[L]    ph ok
01:24 VanessaE_[L]    oh**
01:25 VanessaE_[L]    ok, so YOU do it :-)
01:25 RealBadAngel    we will do that tommorow
01:25 RealBadAngel    before pulling
01:25 VanessaE_[L]    do it now
01:25 VanessaE_[L]    don't wait on it,
01:26 RealBadAngel    i want to add holding items before pulling
01:26 VanessaE_[L]    ok
01:26 RealBadAngel    we have whole sunday to do that
01:26 VanessaE_[L]    heh
01:27 RealBadAngel    and would like to test all together a bit
01:28 RealBadAngel    and maybe i will make one small patch to inventory_image btw
01:29 RealBadAngel    so i will be freed of recreating it in lua
01:29 RealBadAngel    its already done in c++
01:30 VanessaE_[L]    ok
01:31 RealBadAngel    theres no point for user to run around and recreate something that is already in the engine
01:31 RealBadAngel    just not exposed
01:31 VanessaE_[L]    right
01:33 RealBadAngel    oke doke
01:33 RealBadAngel    im heading to bed right now
01:34 RealBadAngel    need some sleep
01:34 VanessaE_[L]    I look forward to seeing these changes hit mainstream.
01:34 VanessaE_[L]    nooooooooo
01:34 RealBadAngel    noooo to what?
01:34 VanessaE_[L]    bed
01:34 RealBadAngel    bed is good. bed is your best friend
01:34 VanessaE_[L]    I just got up not long ago :-)
01:35 RealBadAngel    im awake for 20 hrs by now
01:35 RealBadAngel    i need it badly ;)
01:36 VanessaE_[L]    ok, go sleep :-)
01:36 RealBadAngel    i need circa 4 hrs
01:37 RealBadAngel    not much i think
01:37 VanessaE_[L]    ok
01:38 RealBadAngel    during the week, after work i mean i need 6hrs of sleep
01:39 VanessaE_[L]    yeah yeah, excuses ;)
01:39 VanessaE_[L]    go to bed :-)
01:39 RealBadAngel    :P
01:39 OldCoder        VanessaE, I am merging some upstream patches
01:39 RealBadAngel    im off, be back soon enough
01:39 VanessaE_[L]    good night rba
01:56 Dogzilla131     Is cloud breakable
01:57 Dogzilla131     a cloud block
01:57 Dogzilla131     yes or no
01:59 VanessaE_[L]    no
01:59 VanessaE_[L]    not without some tool designed to destroy it.
01:59 Dogzilla131     really
01:59 kaeza1          night
01:59 kaeza1          hello
01:59 VanessaE_[L]    hi
02:00 Dogzilla131     ohh like a mining laser
02:00 Dogzilla131     hi
02:00 kaeza1          what's up Vanessa?
02:00 VanessaE_[L]    kaeza1, not much
02:00 VanessaE_[L]    Dogzilla131, yeah, I guess so.
02:00 kaeza1          hey Dog
02:00 VanessaE_[L]    wonder if an admin pick (maptools) will work?
02:00 Dogzilla131     hi kaeza
02:01 Dogzilla131     a minig laser does break clodblock i  checked
02:02 VanessaE_[L]    what's a clod block? ;)
02:02 OldCoder        cloud?
02:02 * VanessaE_[L]  hands Dogzilla131 the 'u' he dropped.
02:02 OldCoder        No other mod changes?
02:02 OldCoder        VanessaE, care to suggest mods?
02:02 Dogzilla131     i mean cloud
02:02 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, nothing new from my end.
02:02 OldCoder        VanessaE, today we will have Dogzilla131 More Flags, Secret Passages, and Unified Bricks
02:02 OldCoder        Any others in general?
02:03 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, well, actually yeah there is - I made recent tweaks to flowers to not grow on dirt, and only grow when there's daylight,
02:03 VanessaE_[L]    (roughly 5am to 7pm in the game)
02:03 OldCoder        flowers mod is ready ?
02:03 OldCoder        Should update it?
02:03 VanessaE_[L]    yeah.
02:03 OldCoder        t y
02:03 OldCoder        will do shortly
02:04 VanessaE_[L]    no, NOW dammit :D
02:04 OldCoder        k
02:04 OldCoder        Proceeding
02:04 VanessaE_[L]    just kidding :D
02:04 OldCoder        k
02:04 OldCoder        Building new server
02:04 VanessaE_[L]    you gonna set one up that uses the 3d players patch:
02:04 VanessaE_[L]    ?
02:04 OldCoder        VanessaE, yes
02:05 OldCoder        2D also
02:05 VanessaE_[L]    is there any bandwidth left for it? ;)
02:05 OldCoder        I mean 2D avatars
02:05 OldCoder        Yes
02:05 OldCoder        Activity remains low
02:05 OldCoder        Could not handle all the worlds busy at once
02:05 OldCoder        And those mese machines
02:05 OldCoder        Are too machine
02:05 OldCoder        The duplicators
02:05 VanessaE_[L]    heh
02:06 OldCoder        VanessaE, flowers updated and will appear in restart
02:06 VanessaE_[L]    ok
02:07 kaeza           VanessaE: I'll try the flowers
02:07 OldCoder        VanessaE, do you have something similar to: http://minetest.org/player.png you would like to use for yourself?
02:07 OldCoder        kaeza, will appear in the next hour
02:07 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, not at present.  it will be some time before I make an avatar for myself.
02:07 OldCoder        k
02:08 kaeza           Dogzilla need some help with moreflags?
02:09 kaeza           Also Vanessa, I updated the computer mod and added the Amiga 500 (almost)
02:12 OldCoder        U.S. worlds are going down for updates
02:13 sokomine        re
02:13 sokomine        compiling the 3d-version...
02:13 VanessaE_[L]    hey sokomine
02:13 sokomine        vanessa: do you know what impact flowers+bushes have on servers? i like them a lot, but together with 4seasons it was too much for one server
02:14 * VanessaE_[L]  grumbles at her PC's piece of crap wireless antenna
02:14 * sokomine      preferes wired connections :-)
02:14 VanessaE_[L]    afaik, bushes and flowers add practically nothing.
02:14 VanessaE_[L]    in terms of CPU I mean
02:14 sokomine        hm
02:14 VanessaE_[L]    seasons is a CPU hog though
02:15 VanessaE_[L]    sokomine, I'm on the laptop, hence wireless to the PC.
02:15 sokomine        yes, i know. with 4seasons the server went fine. after adding flowers+bushes+farming it was somehow too much
02:15 sokomine        difficult to find out what really causes lag though
02:17 sokomine        in order to make it run together with 4seasons i had to modifiy the abms so that instead of normal grass the 4season-grasses where suitable for flowers as well. does that have an impact or is that neglible?
02:18 VanessaE_[L]    should be negligible
02:19 sokomine        ok
02:20 sokomine        oh :-( no one left at realbadangles server
02:21 VanessaE_[L]    bummer :(
02:21 * sokomine      wants to see the new 3d playre
02:23 sokomine        ah, hm, and another point: does anybody know if when add_node is used the function on_placenode will be called?
02:24 VanessaE_[L]    it is not, afaik
02:24 * sokomine      points to vanessas wired (and faster?) computer for compiling and running the 3d stuff
02:24 sokomine        ok. thus the signs are incompatible with skyblock. unless they are changed to place_node perhaps?
02:25 VanessaE_[L]    I'm also watching a movie right now :-)
02:25 sokomine        :-)
02:27 VanessaE_[L]    aw, I missed him :(
02:27 Octupus         NO KIDS NO AIDS
02:28 VanessaE_[L]    ??
02:28 Octupus         Stupid aids why can't it get cancer and die
02:28 VanessaE_[L]    wtf are you talking about?
02:29 Octupus         HIV / Aids
02:29 VanessaE_[L]    yeah I got that.
02:30 VanessaE_[L]    what's that got to do with anything?
02:30 VanessaE_[L]    (why the sudden mention of it?)
02:31 Octupus         I saw it on tv just now
02:31 VanessaE_[L]    oh.
02:34 OldCoder        anunakki, wb
02:39 VanessaE_[L]    you know, if I had any sense at all, I'd run a minetest server on my PC and just let the laptop connect to it instead of running it all on the laptop,
02:39 OldCoder        Octupus or anybody else will you help me with a test?
02:39 babyface1031    hi guys
02:39 babyface1031    i can try OldCoder
02:39 OldCoder        babyface1031, k I need about 5 minutes
02:39 VanessaE_[L]    hey babyface1031
02:39 Octupus         I dont have pc but I can help in another way
02:40 Octupus         Hi babyface1031
02:40 babyface1031    ok
02:40 Octupus         VanessaE_[L]: Why the exta L
02:40 VanessaE_[L]    laptop.
02:40 babyface1031    what am i testing
02:40 Octupus         O
02:41 VanessaE_[L]    so I don't have to sign the PC off when I get on over here.
02:41 VanessaE_[L]    babyface1031, trying out the 3d models branch? :-)
02:41 OldCoder        babyface1031, is your nick on 30004 babyface1031 exactly?
02:41 babyface1031    babyface1031a
02:41 OldCoder        k
02:41 VanessaE_[L]    what's the 1031 for anyway?
02:42 babyface1031    when i first was seting up a email i tryed just babyface it was taken then i added a 1 that was taken and so
02:42 Octupus         I
02:42 VanessaE_[L]    gotchya.
02:43 babyface1031    then i relized it was halloween and i loved halloween so i kept it cause i ment to type 1013 first
02:43 Octupus         OldCoder: Are we trying the 3d players
02:43 OldCoder        2D
02:43 OldCoder        3D will need more work
02:43 sokomine        vanessa: splitting server and client up is something i've considered as well. it seems the client already needs a lot of ressources and doesn't leave much for the server on singleplayer. mods seem to have a far greater influence on performance than weather the server's running on the same machine or is a multiplayer server elsewhere (to my experience)
02:43 sokomine        oldcoder: why not test on realbadangles server?
02:43 Octupus         O you mean the 1 by pilzadamn
02:43 OldCoder        sokomine, Europe? Sure but later
02:43 OldCoder        Octupus, yep
02:44 VanessaE_[L]    sokomine, well my point in this case is the PC has plenty of grunt to run the bigger mods, and the laptop is fairly anemic, so why not right? :-)
02:44 Octupus         O
02:44 sokomine        vanessa: well, try it :-)
02:44 VanessaE_[L]    I'm about to.
02:45 OldCoder        Octupus, babyface1031 join me on 30004
02:45 OldCoder        TP to me
02:45 babyface1031    ok
02:45 sokomine        what are you testing, oldcoder?
02:45 OldCoder        sokomine, Personalized 2D avatars
02:46 OldCoder        3D will also be added
02:46 OldCoder        babyface1031, TP to me
02:46 Octupus         OldCoder: iPod :(
02:46 OldCoder        oh
02:46 OldCoder        babyface1031, ?
02:46 babyface1031    ok still loding
02:46 OldCoder        sokomine, You are there
02:46 babyface1031    loading*
02:46 OldCoder        sokomine, what do I look like?
02:46 sokomine        yes, logging on right now. mom
02:46 Octupus         Do u have teamviewer oc
02:46 sokomine        not yet there...still connecting
02:46 * anunakki      yawns
02:46 anunakki        hello people
02:46 babyface1031    minetest on my computer crash hold on
02:47 anunakki        whaaaat
02:47 Octupus         OldCoder: U got teamviewer
02:47 OldCoder        Yes but not easy to use
02:47 OldCoder        I have Linux
02:47 Octupus         O
02:47 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, ok, how do I configure the server so that "I" am the admin thereof?
02:47 OldCoder        VanessaE, ?
02:47 VanessaE_[L]    (e.g as VanessaEzekowitz, let's say)
02:47 OldCoder        VanessaE, explain
02:47 Octupus         Because I was going to ask if I cud watch your screen
02:47 OldCoder        Go on
02:48 OldCoder        Octupus, yes but not tonight; too tricky to set up
02:48 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, running a local server,
02:48 OldCoder        Go on
02:48 OldCoder        Octupus, actually I would have people use rdesktop
02:48 OldCoder        That will let both Windows and Linux see my desktop
02:48 OldCoder        It works
02:49 OldCoder        babyface1031, hold still
02:49 Octupus         I am on iPod
02:49 babyface1031    ok
02:49 OldCoder        sokomine, yes
02:49 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, if I run a local server, mostly for my own use, how do I configure it to know that "VanessaEzekowitz" is the admin thereof when I sign into it from a client?
02:49 Octupus         So I think it doesn't have to much complications
02:49 OldCoder        sokomine, textures will need work
02:49 OldCoder        VanessaE, name = VanessaE... right?
02:49 VanessaE_[L]    (imagine if I wanted to run it for other people to connect to some day)
02:50 OldCoder        VanessaE, name = VanessaE... right?
02:50 VanessaE_[L]    no, as above :-)
02:50 VanessaE_[L]    with my full name.
02:50 OldCoder        VanessaE, I am in the game; hold on t  y
02:51 OldCoder        Back
02:51 OldCoder        Dogzilla131, babyface1031 sokomine thank you!
02:51 babyface1031    np
02:51 OldCoder        The textures won't be great but they are just a start
02:51 Octupus         Oc may I have your ip and pass on pm
02:51 OldCoder        Octupus, PM
02:51 sokomine        i did that nodebox-model for players (roughly the shape of the green playerimages and that on redcrabs server), but most players seem to prefer individual images (well, mine doesn't have textures...)
02:53 babyface1031    so did i look different?
02:53 OldCoder        babyface1031, You were Hunger Games
02:53 OldCoder        sokomine, how did she look?
02:53 sokomine        yes, you looked diffrent from oldcoder. how did i look like?
02:53 OldCoder        sokomine, I didn't know you were coming so did not make one for you yet
02:53 OldCoder        That was a test
02:53 sokomine        well...maybe like a guard...legs spread, arms spread...
02:54 OldCoder        I will add a few more
02:54 sokomine        i hope we'll get the 3d version soon. that looks really great :-)
02:55 OldCoder        Yes
02:56 Octupus         Why are ppl with aids heros if they had unprotected sex with some1 who had aids :l
02:56 * sokomine      dreams of grazing sheep
02:57 * Octupus       say this aid thing on tv
02:57 VanessaE_[L]    well that was easier than I thought.
02:57 VanessaE_[L]    server on the PC, client on the laptop, no sweat.
02:57 Octupus         :)
02:58 OldCoder        VanessaE, Hi
02:58 Octupus         Is it local and worldwide
02:58 VanessaE_[L]    hey
02:58 OldCoder        VanessaE, I just use name =
02:58 Octupus         *or
02:58 OldCoder        Doesn't that work?
02:58 VanessaE_[L]    good question......
02:58 VanessaE_[L]    someone wanna try it?
02:58 OldCoder        I think I have
02:58 sokomine        sure, why not. might be a test of your line :-)
02:59 VanessaE_[L]    24.181.193.82 port 30000, standard minetest client
02:59 VanessaE_[L]    no idea if it'll work, but who knows. it's worth a try :-)
03:02 jordan4ibanez   Server test is up
03:02 jordan4ibanez   special super fast settings
03:03 Octupus         Every getting servers now :D
03:03 VanessaE_[L]    Octupus, I'm just testing for the sake of laptop<->PC reasons, but if you wanna try to connect, go for it :-)
03:04 Octupus         I can't :(
03:04 Octupus         There is no portable mt
03:04 VanessaE_[L]    oh ok, no prob
03:04 jordan4ibanez   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52923#p52923
03:05 * VanessaE_[L]  shuts it down for the moment.
03:06 VanessaE_[L]    there, that's permanent now, even if you all can't reach it, I can :D
03:09 sokomine        oh...i was just considering visiting it
03:10 VanessaE_[L]    go ahead and tru
03:10 VanessaE_[L]    try*
03:10 VanessaE_[L]    it's up.
03:10 sokomine        ok. mom
03:10 jordan4ibanez   I just realised
03:10 jordan4ibanez   If you put copyrighted music, on a server, you're breaking the law when someone joins
03:11 Muadtralk       yes
03:11 VanessaE_[L]    sokomine, you're on!  cool
03:12 Muadtralk       quite obvious isnt it?
03:12 sokomine        well, everyone reports that i'm on while i still have to look at a black screen :-)
03:12 sokomine        just 17% of media...waiting...
03:12 VanessaE_[L]    oh ok
03:12 sokomine        seems player joining is reported early on?
03:12 VanessaE_[L]    there's a lot of mods installed.
03:12 sokomine        good
03:12 VanessaE_[L]    yeah, you're already standing at the spawn
03:13 sokomine        oh. hm. what if someone starts communicating that early? does that get buffered?
03:13 VanessaE_[L]    dunno
03:13 sokomine        ah. familiar house
03:13 VanessaE_[L]    well, when someone talks to YOU, it is cached,.
03:13 VanessaE_[L]    hehe
03:15 jordan4ibanez   Can you use minecraft skins with that 3d player specialty?
03:15 VanessaE_[L]    yes
03:15 VanessaE_[L]    rename the file but otherwise it works directly.
03:15 jordan4ibanez   Holy shit
03:15 jordan4ibanez   http://www.minecraftskins.com/
03:16 VanessaE_[L]    sokomine, oops, client crash
03:17 Muadtralk       it does?
03:17 Muadtralk       damn
03:18 Muadtralk       why was i trying to reinvent the wheel with my 3d_player template i was going to release
03:26 sokomine        perhaps because the 3d is so new?
03:26 sokomine        what does your template do?
03:27 Doc22           OldCoder is the server up yet
03:27 sokomine        ah, well, client crashed
03:27 Doc22           hmmmm
03:27 OldCoder        Doc22, Hi
03:27 Doc22           hi
03:27 OldCoder        Doc22, will be shortly; several changes
03:28 Doc22           ok
03:28 Doc22           adding the mods?
03:28 OldCoder        Doc22, we have individual players now
03:28 OldCoder        Done
03:28 Doc22           oh nice
03:28 OldCoder        Will start 30004 now
03:28 Doc22           ok
03:28 Doc22           can you add players without restarting
03:28 Doc22           or do you have to restart
03:28 OldCoder        I don't think so
03:28 OldCoder        Doc22, 30004 is starting
03:28 OldCoder        See what works and not
03:28 Doc22           idk what to make my avatar
03:29 Doc22           its loading
03:29 Doc22           the one i made looks stupid...
03:29 OldCoder        No rush
03:29 Doc22           yeah
03:29 OldCoder        You can paste the front and back I and can review
03:29 babyface1031    i want to see mine
03:29 Doc22           ok
03:29 OldCoder        Making you one now babyface1031
03:30 OldCoder        Better than the Hunger Games one
03:30 Doc22           i know it looks stupid though
03:30 OldCoder        Doc22, I may be able to fix it
03:30 sokomine        vanessa: please say something on your server
03:30 OldCoder        babyface1031, it will take weeks to find pictures for people but I will make you one now
03:30 sokomine        ah, too late. logged on again
03:30 Doc22           nah i need something else better
03:31 babyface1031    oh i thought i had one
03:31 OldCoder        babyface1031, You did
03:31 OldCoder        It was just a test
03:31 babyface1031    oh
03:31 OldCoder        I will make a good one now
03:31 OldCoder        About 15 minutes
03:31 babyface1031    ok
03:31 jordan4ibanez   oldcoder
03:31 Doc22           oh you make avatars
03:31 Doc22           ?
03:31 jordan4ibanez   why not make one big server rather than a bunch of smaller ones?
03:32 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, because everybody demands one of their own
03:32 Doc22           can you make me a mad engineer avatar
03:32 OldCoder        Doc22, Yes
03:32 Doc22           YUS
03:32 Doc22           thanks
03:32 jordan4ibanez   So what? Tell them to go on the big one
03:32 OldCoder        Doc22, don't expect soon
03:32 Doc22           yeah no rush ;)
03:32 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, shrug
03:32 jordan4ibanez   You'd basically be another redcrab, make a huge one DAMNIT
03:33 OldCoder        jordan4ibanez, Everybody demands their own
03:33 OldCoder        Besides
03:33 OldCoder        Some of them I have from the forum
03:33 OldCoder        They are already separate
03:33 jordan4ibanez   Well i can see they don't care about the server
03:33 OldCoder        I may try to merge some of them
03:34 sokomine        yes, that might be a good idea. one thing that attracks players to a server are other players
03:35 OldCoder        I will need a working version of WorldEdit and the help of the players
03:35 Doc22           oldcoder
03:35 OldCoder        ?
03:35 Doc22           the new models are coming out soon
03:35 OldCoder        k
03:36 Doc22           so if you want just forget the engineer one
03:36 Doc22           after all it wont be long
03:36 * OldCoder      shrugs
03:36 sokomine        hmm. i wouldn't do it through worldedit. hmm.
03:36 Doc22           and I can make good skinns if it is a model
03:36 sokomine        what would happen if you'd copy one database entry from one world's database to that of another world?
03:36 Doc22           Im going to make mine like a ghost
03:36 Doc22           with the body fading away
03:37 Doc22           lol
03:37 Doc22           engineer
03:37 Doc22           will minecrap skins be usable with the new models
03:37 Doc22           lol
03:38 Doc22           I see the colored bricks loading
03:38 Doc22           they look nic
03:38 Doc22           nice
03:38 OldCoder        k
03:38 OldCoder        Backs of people are hard
03:39 Muadtralk       ive already contributed 2 skins
03:39 Muadtralk       :P
03:39 OldCoder        Low res?
03:39 OldCoder        Links?
03:39 Doc22           where are they
03:39 Muadtralk       of course they are left over from the old ones i made a few months back
03:39 Doc22           and will minecraft skins be compatible
03:39 OldCoder        I don't know
03:40 Muadtralk       yes they should be
03:40 Doc22           :/
03:40 Doc22           :)
03:40 Muadtralk       as long as the file is renamed
03:40 OldCoder        Nearly done with babyface1031 this is hard
03:40 Muadtralk       http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53419#p53419
03:40 Muadtralk       scroll down
03:41 babyface1031    cool no rush
03:41 OldCoder        Muadtralk, you aren't there
03:41 Muadtralk       sdzen is my username :D
03:41 OldCoder        I know
03:41 Muadtralk       #152
03:41 Muadtralk       and 151
03:41 Muadtralk       see them now?
03:42 OldCoder        No
03:42 OldCoder        I see screenshots
03:42 OldCoder        No 2D avatars or download links
03:42 OldCoder        Are they there?
03:42 Muadtralk       under the screenshot
03:42 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, later, I will have to bug you a bit about making sure this server runs right.    I teleported back 0,0,0 and the server started lagging like hell.  why>
03:42 VanessaE_[L]    ?
03:43 VanessaE_[L]    what did I miss>
03:43 OldCoder        Muadtralk, I don't understand the format; it's pieces
03:43 OldCoder        VanessaE, this is a normal server
03:43 OldCoder        ?
03:43 OldCoder        Where did you get the binary?
03:43 OldCoder        What OS?
03:43 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, yep, run-of-the-mill server, built the binary myself, running in my usual linux install.
03:43 OldCoder        Distro?
03:43 OldCoder        Oh!
03:44 OldCoder        VanessaE, are you using the optimized server settings?
03:44 OldCoder        Hang on
03:44 VanessaE_[L]    nope.
03:44 VanessaE_[L]    never ran a server before :-)
03:44 OldCoder        VanessaE, I need to give you my scripts
03:44 VanessaE_[L]    so this is just whatever my client/server "game" was using before.
03:44 VanessaE_[L]    ok, let's do that tomorrow
03:45 Doc22           babyface1031 did the server shut down for you?
03:45 babyface1031    yes
03:45 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/minetest.conf
03:45 OldCoder        VanessaE, ^
03:45 Doc22           it happened right when I pushed the button for the gate
03:45 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, let's work on it later.
03:45 Doc22           that must be a glitch with the protectors
03:45 babyface1031    oh i hope it wasnt the gate
03:45 Doc22           I pushed the button
03:45 OldCoder        Doc22, it was this:
03:45 Doc22           what?
03:46 OldCoder        03:43:51: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaEr
03:46 OldCoder        ...octuteam_game/mods/mesecons/mesecons_switch/init.lua:28:
03:46 OldCoder        attempt to call global 'nodeupdate' (a nil value)
03:46 OldCoder        I think I have a rough idea
03:46 Doc22           yeah
03:46 OldCoder        builtin issue
03:46 babyface1031    i hope it wasnt my gate i like it
03:46 OldCoder        probably
03:46 Doc22           :'(
03:46 OldCoder        gate is fine
03:46 babyface1031    ok
03:46 OldCoder        I think I know how to fix that
03:46 OldCoder        Let me finish the avatar
03:46 Doc22           :)
03:46 OldCoder        about 80% done
03:46 Doc22           cool
03:47 Doc22           I didnt realise you were making it right not
03:47 Doc22           now
03:47 Doc22           so thats why I said if you want, to ignore it
03:47 OldCoder        Just hers right now; I better look at the crash
03:47 VanessaE_[L]    seems okay after restarting the server.
03:51 OldCoder        Done with avatar; checking crash
03:55 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, how exactly do I install mods that are specific to one world?  Will they get "added" to the global collection in .minetest/mods ?
03:55 OldCoder        Hi
03:55 OldCoder        Reviewing
03:56 OldCoder        VanessaE, there are two ways to do this
03:56 OldCoder        First: You can create a worldsmod folder in the world itself
03:57 OldCoder        Second: You can create a game folder such as vanessa_game which one or more worlds may reference at startup time
03:57 OldCoder        Rather
03:57 OldCoder        worldmods
03:57 OldCoder        The second is recommended
03:58 VanessaE_[L]    ok, let's go through this tomorrow.
03:58 OldCoder        as you wish
03:58 VanessaE_[L]    I'm having some trouble keeping focused
03:58 OldCoder        k
03:59 OldCoder        Can I assume everybody who can comment on nodeupdate is gone?
04:02 OldCoder
04:02 OldCoder        babyface1031, Doc22 while I look at the crash...
04:02 OldCoder        I am restarting so you can see the first draft of babyface1031 texture
04:02 OldCoder        tell me if it works
04:02 Doc22           ok
04:03 babyface1031    ok
04:03 babyface1031    someone will have to show me cause i cant see myself
04:04 OldCoder        Somebody can screenshot
04:04 OldCoder        If it works
04:04 Doc22           ok
04:04 babyface1031    ok
04:04 Doc22           i will
04:04 sokomine        node update? signs/add_node or something else?
04:04 OldCoder        sokomine, there is a crash
04:05 OldCoder        because they moved nodeupdate from init.lua to falling.lua
04:05 OldCoder        I have falling.lua in builtin
04:05 OldCoder        but nodeupdate is not found
04:05 sokomine        ah. sorry. don't know about that one
04:05 Doc22           ahh
04:05 OldCoder        I do not like changes D:
04:05 Doc22           lol
04:05 OldCoder        Doc22, ?
04:05 Doc22           me neither
04:05 Doc22           I see the lua structure
04:05 Doc22           in my head
04:05 VanessaE_[L]    bbiab.
04:05 Doc22           all of the methods
04:05 OldCoder        How do I fix this D:
04:06 Doc22           can you give me the lua code in a zip
04:06 Doc22           ill fix it for you
04:06 OldCoder        For which?
04:06 OldCoder        I can give you everything
04:06 Doc22           yes
04:06 OldCoder        Wait
04:06 Doc22           good idea
04:07 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/builtin.zip
04:07 OldCoder        That is the builtin folder
04:07 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/octuteam_game.zip
04:08 OldCoder        That is the complete current octuteam_game folder
04:08 OldCoder        You will see the default init.lua no longer contains nodeupdate
04:08 OldCoder        but the falling lua does
04:08 OldCoder
04:08 OldCoder        babyface1031, enter the game
04:08 babyface1031    i am in the game
04:08 OldCoder        k
04:08 OldCoder        Coming
04:10 Doc22           im taking screeny
04:10 Doc22           im uploading t
04:10 OldCoder        I need to brighten her
04:10 OldCoder        Doc22, aside from that what do you think?
04:10 Doc22           why is there a logo on it
04:10 Doc22           lol
04:11 OldCoder        ?
04:11 OldCoder        What logo?
04:11 OldCoder        There is a small floating crescent
04:11 OldCoder        Left over from clear
04:11 OldCoder        I will erase it
04:11 Doc22           ok
04:11 Doc22           http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p524/dangerdoc44/babyfae.png
04:11 OldCoder        How does she look?
04:11 Doc22           here it is
04:11 Doc22           looks good
04:12 OldCoder        Oh!
04:12 babyface1031    i like:D
04:12 OldCoder        I see the watermark
04:12 OldCoder        I will remove it
04:12 OldCoder        I thought that was part of the costume
04:12 OldCoder        Will fix it
04:12 OldCoder        Doc22, right now look at the ZIPs
04:13 OldCoder        I am trying to figure out what to do with nodeupdate
04:13 Doc22           ok
04:13 Doc22           ill try and find out what is wrong
04:13 OldCoder        babyface1031, she has a front and back; I will brighter her a bit; and I will remove the watermark
04:13 OldCoder        *brighten
04:13 babyface1031    ok
04:15 Doc22           ok and nodeupdate is normally where?
04:15 Doc22           oh init.lua
04:15 Doc22           or falling.lua
04:16 OldCoder        Past: init.lua
04:16 OldCoder        Future: falling.lua I gather
04:17 Doc22_          aargh
04:19 Doc22_          vanessae, adding global to function definition (example: "global function foo") makes it available to all lua files correct
04:19 Doc22_          throughought the game
04:19 OldCoder        https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/10dc2b30fbe34eeed85c01dabc615d0b64ca1cd5
04:19 OldCoder        Doc22_, that is where they did it
04:19 OldCoder        Doc22, ^
04:20 Doc22           ok
04:21 Doc22           im not sure if this will work
04:21 Doc22           but try adding global to the function definision
04:21 Doc22           definition
04:21 OldCoder        Shouldn't they have already one this?
04:21 Doc22           global function nodeupdate(p)
04:21 Doc22           yeah they should have
04:21 OldCoder        Why didn't they?
04:21 Doc22           but idk why they didnt
04:21 Doc22           or if this will work
04:21 Doc22           that is what I can think of
04:21 Doc22           what I know will work is this
04:22 Doc22           add the function to the lua file in mesecons
04:22 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, ok, your config is in place.
04:22 OldCoder        k
04:22 OldCoder        Doc22, restarting
04:22 OldCoder        Doc22, press the button when in
04:22 Doc22           ok
04:22 Doc22           and, again, I am not certain this will work; I am not a lua pro
04:23 OldCoder        Doc22, it won't work
04:23 OldCoder        They didn't use global anywhere else either
04:23 Doc22           hmmm
04:23 Doc22           ok
04:23 OldCoder        Try it anyway
04:23 Doc22           then you will need to add this function to the lua file in mesecons
04:23 OldCoder        Wait
04:23 OldCoder        No
04:23 OldCoder        it is used in dozens of places
04:23 OldCoder        That won't work either
04:23 Doc22           like where
04:23 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, so now mkdir worlds/worldname/mods ?
04:23 Doc22           where is it used
04:23 OldCoder        No
04:24 OldCoder        VanessaE, wait
04:24 OldCoder        Doc22, dozens of places
04:24 Doc22           example...
04:24 OldCoder        Doc22, I will need to revert the #*#* change
04:24 Doc22           ok
04:24 OldCoder        Grep the code
04:24 Doc22           im not a lua expert as I said
04:24 OldCoder        k
04:24 OldCoder        VanessaE, no
04:24 Doc22           i thought global fixed it
04:24 OldCoder        Doc22, you can try
04:24 OldCoder        Hold on
04:24 VanessaE_[L]    OldCoder, the server has a global mods directory at ~/.minetest/mods which has most of what I want in it.
04:24 Doc22           no
04:24 Doc22           ok
04:24 OldCoder        VanessaE, as you wish
04:25 OldCoder        VanessaE, the proper way
04:25 OldCoder        is to make a vanessa_gamee
04:25 OldCoder        *e
04:25 OldCoder        and specify it with a switch on the command line
04:25 babyface1031    have you looked at 0gb land claim it might work better that glommie protect blocks but i dont know much about codes to look it over
04:25 OldCoder        Then you can keep it separate
04:25 OldCoder        But reuse it
04:25 anunakki        OldCoder,
04:25 OldCoder        babyface1031, Kind of busy
04:25 OldCoder        anunakki, yes?
04:25 VanessaE_[L]    a separate game dir?  hrm..
04:25 OldCoder        VanessaE, then
04:25 OldCoder        you can keep it separate
04:26 OldCoder        but reuse it too
04:26 OldCoder        both
04:26 anunakki        so as of right now, 3 machines that can run a server for us
04:26 anunakki        but.. lets start with one
04:26 babyface1031    that fine i thought the bug was glomie protect block and the switch
04:26 OldCoder        babyface1031, need to fix a crash ATM
04:26 Doc22           that could be babyface
04:26 OldCoder        ?
04:26 Doc22           mesecons pistons have that bug as well
04:26 OldCoder        anunakki, Hi again
04:26 Doc22           they cant move things in protectors
04:26 OldCoder        VanessaE, I recommend vanessa_game
04:27 OldCoder        Doc22, try the gate
04:27 Doc22           ok
04:27 OldCoder        anunakki, we will PM if you wish shortly
04:27 babyface1031    but it is weird it was working and now it has a problem
04:28 OldCoder        Hmm?
04:28 Doc22           they changed the code
04:28 OldCoder        babyface1031, explain
04:28 Doc22           right?
04:28 OldCoder        Yes
04:28 Doc22           thats why
04:28 OldCoder        People always change things and break them
04:28 OldCoder        D:
04:28 babyface1031    doc use to be able to use the door no problem and now it shuts the server down
04:28 Doc22           the function was moved to a different place
04:28 anunakki        one is in sunnyvale california, another in newcomerstown ohio, and one is in dallas texas
04:28 Doc22           yes
04:28 OldCoder        anunakki, PK
04:28 Doc22           nope doesnt work
04:28 anunakki        but yes, pm me when you're ready
04:28 Doc22           PM*
04:28 OldCoder        Yes
04:28 anunakki        teake your time OldCoder i knwo you're busy, no rush
04:29 OldCoder        k
04:29 Doc22           lol auto grammar thingamajig
04:32 OldCoder        Doc22, did you try the gate?
04:32 Doc22           yes it crashed again
04:33 OldCoder        Wait
04:34 OldCoder        I think I will have a fix shortly
04:34 Doc22           ok
04:35 Doc22           OldCoder: this is why I don't depend on built in code for my mods; except for register_node, etc
04:35 Doc22           lol
04:35 OldCoder        Yep
04:36 OldCoder        Doc22, shutting down briefly
04:36 OldCoder        Hang on
04:36 OldCoder        I need to test this
04:37 Doc22           ok
04:37 babyface1031    ok
04:43 OldCoder        Doc22, try now
04:43 OldCoder        It may well not work
04:43 Doc22           ok
04:46 OldCoder        Doc22, anything happening?
04:46 Doc22           just got in
04:46 Doc22           it works
04:46 Doc22           what did you change
04:46 OldCoder        O.K.
04:47 OldCoder        I merged the old code back into init.lua
04:47 OldCoder        So now
04:47 OldCoder        the function is in two places
04:47 OldCoder        Which will undoubtedly break things
04:47 * OldCoder      shrugs
04:47 * OldCoder      hates upgrades
04:47 Doc22           lol
04:47 Doc22           me 2
04:47 OldCoder        babyface1031, I will re-add your new avatar after more work
04:47 Doc22           heh heh
04:47 babyface1031    ok
04:47 OldCoder        VanessaE, if you are tired we should discuss servers tomorrow
04:47 OldCoder        anunakki, coming
04:57 VanessaE        No, I was just focused on a movie.
04:57 VanessaE        I'm done now.
04:58 * VanessaE      lags vigorously.
05:00 VanessaE        AND STAY OUT!
05:00 VanessaE        haha ! :-)
05:08 babyface1031    night everyone
05:08 VanessaE        night
05:14 RBA|bed         wb
05:15 RealBadAngel    kitty made me out of bed
05:17 VanessaE        awww
05:17 VanessaE        OldCoder: ok, your config file (tweaked for me) installed, and a copy of minetest_game + a shitload of mods created and configured as "vanessa_game".  Starting the server with that as the game ID and using the world I had earlier.
05:17 VanessaE        logging into it from the client...
05:20 VanessaE        OldCoder: seems okay.
05:20 OldCoder        Hi
05:20 OldCoder        Glad
05:20 VanessaE        what's next? :-)
05:21 * RealBadAngel  yawns
05:21 RealBadAngel    wheres the coffee???
05:24 VanessaE        24.181.193.82 port 30000 if you wanna take a look.
05:25 VanessaE        hey RBA
05:27 RealBadAngel    on this ip they give the coffee?
05:27 VanessaE        no, on this IP I'm testing out a server :-)
05:28 RealBadAngel    damn, you should install coffee machine mod too
05:28 RealBadAngel    coming
05:29 VanessaE        haha
05:29 RealBadAngel    im forced to do a cup of my own
05:35 VanessaE        RBA, ok, it's back.
05:36 * VanessaE      hands RealBadAngel a virtual cup of coffee.
05:37 RealBadAngel    thank you good soul, you saved my day
05:39 VanessaE        rba: going down again to remove a couple of mods that shouldn't be present.
05:39 RealBadAngel    hehe ok
05:40 RealBadAngel    terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
05:40 RealBadAngel    what():  basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
05:40 VanessaE        d'oh!
05:40 VanessaE        that b0rk3d
05:40 RealBadAngel    i love such error messages
05:41 VanessaE        oh you bastard.
05:41 VanessaE        I fuckled up.
05:41 VanessaE        :-)
05:41 RealBadAngel    no
05:41 VanessaE        let's try this again.
05:41 RealBadAngel    its mine
05:41 VanessaE        nono something unrelated.
05:41 RealBadAngel    its not from your server i mean
05:42 * VanessaE      accidentally deleted the whole mods tree :D
05:42 VanessaE        whaddya say I put it back? :-)
05:43 RealBadAngel    im doing my inventory and trying to get all the inventory images
05:44 RealBadAngel    with mods you gonna get less unknown block i guess ;)
05:44 RealBadAngel    so better do it :)
05:46 RealBadAngel    still down?
05:46 VanessaE        yeah, just getting the mod collection where I want it.
05:46 VanessaE        I'll bring it back up in a minute.
05:46 RealBadAngel    ok
05:47 VanessaE        now what's the mod that lets you type /spawn to jump back there?
05:50 RealBadAngel    rotfl
05:51 RealBadAngel    it was my debug print crashing the game
05:51 VanessaE        heh
05:51 RealBadAngel    dunno
05:51 RealBadAngel    left it, technic will come with built in one
05:52 RealBadAngel    im putting 6 mods together now
05:52 RealBadAngel    into one unified player inventory menu
05:54 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/menu.png
05:54 VanessaE        sigh..
05:55 VanessaE        00:54:35: ERROR[main]: /home/vanessa/.minetest/games/vanessa_game/mods/technic/init.lua:
05:55 VanessaE        00:54:35: ERROR[main]: /usr/local/share/minetest/builtin/misc_register.lua:62: Name stairsplus:stair_marble does not follow naming conventions: "modname:" or ":" prefix required
05:55 VanessaE        wtf?
05:55 RealBadAngel    ha
05:55 RealBadAngel    i told calinou
05:55 RealBadAngel    wait a sec
05:55 VanessaE        what is the correct solution?
05:56 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/stairsplus.zip
05:56 RealBadAngel    here is the solution :)
05:56 VanessaE        thanks.
05:56 VanessaE        now lemme update technic.
05:57 VanessaE        there we go.
05:57 VanessaE        holy shit:  creative inventory size: 2129
05:57 VanessaE        wow :-)
05:57 RealBadAngel    nice
05:57 VanessaE        ok, it's back up.
05:57 RealBadAngel    27 pages in my inventory
05:57 RealBadAngel    not bad
05:57 RealBadAngel    :)
05:58 VanessaE        regarding that unified inventory, how did you get the slots on right to be so small?
05:58 RealBadAngel    how many items shows default creative page?
05:59 RealBadAngel    theyre not slots :)
05:59 VanessaE        default creative shows 24 per page.
05:59 VanessaE        (4x6)
05:59 VanessaE        oh, they're buttons aren't they?
05:59 RealBadAngel    image ones
05:59 VanessaE        smart
05:59 RealBadAngel    so no dragging the item
05:59 RealBadAngel    click to get stack
06:00 VanessaE        nice
06:00 VanessaE        that's how it shoulda been done
06:20 OldCoder        VanessaE, I apologize for being busy earlier but...
06:20 VanessaE        it's okay
06:20 RealBadAngel    hmmm
06:20 VanessaE        OldCoder, the server is up if you wanna look around.
06:20 jordan4ibanez   That was
06:20 VanessaE        jordan4ibanez: netsplit.
06:20 jordan4ibanez   seomething
06:20 RealBadAngel    split happened
06:20 VanessaE        big one, too.
06:20 jordan4ibanez   AND EVEN WORSE
06:20 jordan4ibanez   https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-turret
06:20 OldCoder        VanessaE, I had: a friend with a lover he's losing, a business associate with proposals, somebody who is curious about my health, a Minetest crash, real life work to do, and your own server
06:20 OldCoder        Busy :-)
06:20 RealBadAngel    OldCoder, so mods shall be updated
06:20 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, explain
06:20 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, It is not sufficient for the move to be done, then?
06:20 VanessaE        OldCoder: quite a load to deal with :-)
06:20 RealBadAngel    if the engine got updated mods shall follow
06:20 OldCoder        VanessaE, I would be delighted to look around. Tomorrow.
06:21 VanessaE        ok, I need to put in a better player sprite.  the green thing is fugly.
06:21 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, Explain. nodeupdate is in falling.lua. Old mods can't find it there?
06:21 OldCoder        VanessaE, did you see Baby Face PNG?
06:21 OldCoder        Link for screenshot is above
06:21 RealBadAngel    im not familiar with the changes
06:21 VanessaE        no
06:21 OldCoder        Wait
06:21 jordan4ibanez   Why did he commit my code?
06:21 RealBadAngel    i will take a look on it
06:21 OldCoder        http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p524/dangerdoc44/babyfae.png
06:21 OldCoder        VanessaE, ^
06:22 VanessaE        OldCoder: awwww that's cute :-)
06:22 OldCoder        VanessaE, I need to finish removing the watermark
06:22 jordan4ibanez   oldcoder: very creepy lol
06:22 OldCoder        ??
06:22 OldCoder        It is cute
06:22 OldCoder        What is wrong with it? Suits her
06:22 OldCoder        But I'll delete it if she wishes
06:22 RealBadAngel    nice texture
06:22 OldCoder        VanessaE, for your servers:
06:23 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/player.png
06:23 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/player_back.png
06:23 OldCoder        may hold you temporarily
06:23 RealBadAngel    funny fact
06:23 VanessaE        OldCoder: thought about that one actually.
06:23 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, I will finish removing the watermark
06:23 OldCoder        VanessaE, it is yours now
06:23 RealBadAngel    im running a server now, and 2 clients 40fps each
06:23 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, go on
06:24 VanessaE        OldCoder: where do I put them?
06:24 OldCoder        One moment
06:24 OldCoder        vanessa_game/mods/default/textures/player.png
06:24 VanessaE        ok
06:24 OldCoder        vanessa_game/mods/default/textures/player_back.png
06:24 OldCoder        should do it
06:24 OldCoder        To get different mods for each player...
06:24 VanessaE        done.
06:25 OldCoder        I will give you the folders for that as I build them
06:25 OldCoder        Folks I am actually not entirely well
06:25 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: restarting the server with the new player texture.
06:25 OldCoder        Will be resting for a bit
06:25 * OldCoder      back in a bit
06:25 RealBadAngel    ok
06:26 VanessaE        done.
06:35 RealBadAngel    heh
06:35 RealBadAngel    i almost did it
06:35 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/inv.png
06:35 RealBadAngel    now the correct faces just :)
06:35 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: NIIIIIICEE
06:36 VanessaE        now, one more tweak:  make the images just a hair smaller than they are now, relative to the buttons they sit on
06:36 VanessaE        some of them seem to overlap the button edges just slightly.
06:36 RealBadAngel    yup, but thats the fault of buttons code
06:36 VanessaE        also, lighten the color of those buttons just a little.
06:36 RealBadAngel    i will fix it in engine
06:37 RealBadAngel    together with tooltips for them
06:43 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: how long until that mod is ready?
06:43 RealBadAngel    today i think
06:43 VanessaE        cool
06:43 VanessaE        I want. :-)
06:43 RealBadAngel    i just made hardest part i think
06:44 * marktraceur   pings the channel again re: minetestmapper.py
06:45 marktraceur     I have a sneaking suspicion that there's a hardcoded limit somewhere that stops rendering around a z-value of -1500
06:45 marktraceur     I know redcrab made up a patch for the mapper recently, but it doesn't fix the issue
06:45 VanessaE        indeed there is.  dunno the solution though short of editing the code
06:45 marktraceur     Well, editing the code is fine. /me will investigate
06:47 marktraceur     Oh.
06:47 marktraceur     It's very plainly there
06:47 * marktraceur   is disgusted, will file bug report, hold
06:48 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/done.png
06:48 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: gimme
06:48 marktraceur     What's the actual hard limit on blocks? -32K or so?
06:48 RealBadAngel    hehehe, hold on, just the displaying items part is now done :)
06:48 RealBadAngel    +- 31000
06:48 VanessaE        marktraceur: -30920 I think.
06:50 marktraceur     Augh
06:50 marktraceur     Stupid mistake
06:51 RealBadAngel    suspicion left without a notice? ;)
06:51 VanessaE        hrm, I need to change the ownership of some chests.  Is that possible?
06:51 RealBadAngel    dont think so
06:51 VanessaE        then I have to destroy them..
06:52 RealBadAngel    yup
06:53 RealBadAngel    shit i do like how the inventory looks like :)
06:53 VanessaE        and to do that...I need a special tool..admin pick I guess
06:54 RealBadAngel    tnt
06:55 VanessaE        heh
06:56 marktraceur     Damn it, am I going to have to fix minetestmapper for this to work?
06:56 VanessaE        I expect so, mark :-/
06:56 VanessaE        but..
06:56 VanessaE        someone already rewrote that program into a C++ version
06:56 VanessaE        it's like 100 times faster
06:56 VanessaE        (who was it?)
06:57 marktraceur     Wait, is it in the repo now?
06:57 VanessaE        not as far as I know
06:57 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-45RuwciPTY%26feature%3Drelated
06:57 VanessaE        I don't even remember who wrote it.
06:58 VanessaE        er, pass. :-)
06:58 marktraceur     Hrm.
06:59 marktraceur     C++ is a good idea, but the Python script would work OK
06:59 marktraceur     It just needs to not suck as much
06:59 marktraceur     Example: Don't load entire database at once
06:59 marktraceur     Example: Don't guess at the size of the map, know it
06:59 marktraceur     And so on
07:00 * marktraceur   might do that tomorrow
07:00 RealBadAngel    feel free to fix it :)
07:00 * marktraceur   might mod tomorrow
07:00 marktraceur     We'll see what I'm up for.
07:00 marktraceur     For now, I changed the hard limits on my copy, so I can have a full map at least.
07:00 RealBadAngel    you could make it to work runtime
07:01 RealBadAngel    so we could have minimap
07:01 RealBadAngel    on hud
07:01 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: That would require a C++ rewrite and much, much more, so I'm thinking no
07:02 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: Probably the better way is to write the mapper code so it ties into the libraries
07:02 RealBadAngel    chicken?
07:02 VanessaE        there.  admin pick can't get rid of them, but worldedit can :)
07:02 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: Not a pro C++ coder, honestly
07:02 RealBadAngel    cmon
07:02 RealBadAngel    dont be a chicken
07:02 RealBadAngel    :)
07:03 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: Your encouragement is nice, but doesn't change my current lack of C++ knowlede
07:03 marktraceur     knowledge, too
07:03 marktraceur     And I mean "nice" in a very loose sense
07:03 RealBadAngel    hehehe
07:03 RealBadAngel    i can help when needed
07:04 RealBadAngel    define the code needed and i will do that
07:05 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: Roughly, you'd need to write a map library that will let A) the game call it for arbitrary locations (for the minimap idea) and B) the mapper script call it globally
07:06 RealBadAngel    i need rules on which such map shall be built
07:06 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: And both should be hookable for Lua
07:06 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: See the existing minetestmapper.py, that's the current implementation
07:06 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: I want that inventory mod you're working on the instant it's done. :-)
07:07 RealBadAngel    what about height the player is currently on?
07:07 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, dont worry, it will be done today. now makin the pages flip
07:08 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: Probably you would estimate that the player is on the ground, and make their current location the minimum Y, then add ~16 for the maximum Y.
07:08 marktraceur     Er no
07:08 marktraceur     Other way around
07:08 RealBadAngel    so, thats your job exactly
07:08 RealBadAngel    find out the rules
07:08 RealBadAngel    gather them together
07:08 marktraceur     What?
07:08 * marktraceur   ignores RealBadAngel
07:09 RealBadAngel    lol
07:09 marktraceur     RealBadAngel: I'm a software engineer, I know how to write software, but don't currently have the time to re-learn C++ (again) and hack together a mapping library for Minetest.
07:09 RealBadAngel    and im the coder
07:10 RealBadAngel    if you can "engineer" this, i wont build it
07:10 RealBadAngel    *cant
07:10 marktraceur     Right, back to the ignoring thing, that was a good idea
07:11 RealBadAngel    no problemo, i will do that alone when im done with inventory
07:11 RealBadAngel    happy "engeneering" ;)
07:18 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, http://realbadangel.pl/page2.png another page :)
07:19 RealBadAngel    and just noticed i should also display nodeboxed ones another way ;)
07:20 RealBadAngel    marktraceur, but seriously, dont be angry. i can really help you with this
07:21 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, http://realbadangel.pl/page2.png another page :)
07:21 VanessaE        X crashed.  as if that's a surprise.
07:21 VanessaE        looks good to me
07:22 RealBadAngel    but i have a problem
07:22 VanessaE        though I wonder if the inventory icons aren't a little too small now.
07:22 RealBadAngel    how to create inv image for stairs for example
07:22 RealBadAngel    i mean nodeboxed ones
07:22 VanessaE        no clue.
07:23 RealBadAngel    me neither
07:23 VanessaE        render it with the wielditem draw type?
07:24 RealBadAngel    http://pastebin.com/7qvnZMnu
07:24 RealBadAngel    by now the code to get inv image is like that
07:25 VanessaE        hm
07:26 RealBadAngel    pretty weird but theres no other way by now
07:26 VanessaE        brbg
07:26 VanessaE        brb
07:34 RealBadAngel    i think a patch to the engine is the only solution
07:34 RealBadAngel    the image is already there
07:39 VanessaE        there.
07:41 RealBadAngel    hmmm i was right, patch is really needed
07:42 RealBadAngel    itemdef.cpp line #388
07:42 RealBadAngel    this is how inventory image is created
07:42 RealBadAngel    no way i can do that again in lua
07:43 RealBadAngel    need to expose the image to the outside
07:44 ruskie          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/25/minecraft_for_raspberry_pi/
07:46 RealBadAngel    ive read that some1 is running mt on PI
07:46 RealBadAngel    theres a post in forums bout it
08:09 Aqua            hi
08:10 Aqua            anyone?
08:11 RealBadAngel    hi
08:11 RealBadAngel    whassup?
08:12 Aqua            is there any way to make server without port fowarding?
08:12 VanessaE        Aqua: I just started one today, no port forwarding going on here.
08:12 VanessaE        so it depends on your ISP and your firewall whether such will be needed.
08:13 Aqua            does the steps on the  wiki still work?
08:13 VanessaE        dunno, I didn't use it.
08:15 Aqua            i just dont get this
08:15 Aqua            Open command prompt by going in the Minetest installation folder, then in the "bin" folder, hold Shift, do a right click on a empty file (not on minetest.exe), click "Open command window here". Type this, without quotes: "minetest.exe --server".      If you get the error "Multiple worlds are available.", use "minetest.exe --server --worldname world_name" instead, where world_name is the name of the world.   If your server crashes, th
08:15 VanessaE        ugh, I wouldn't know then - that's windows stuff.  I use linux.
08:15 Aqua            whats the difference?
08:16 VanessaE        linux doesn't use that method.  My server runs as:  minetestserver --config /home/vanessa/.minetest/minetest-server.conf --worldname My_World_server  --port 30000 --gameid vanessa_game
08:16 Aqua            does linux xost money
08:16 Aqua            cost*
08:16 VanessaE        no.
08:16 RealBadAngel    yes
08:16 VanessaE        it is designed to be free.
08:16 RealBadAngel    0.0 in any currency ;)
08:17 Aqua            whats ubuntu?
08:17 RealBadAngel    a distro
08:17 Aqua            reading wikipedia now
08:17 VanessaE        Aqua: a collection of software based around the Linux kernel.  What we call a "Distribution".
08:17 RealBadAngel    pick KUbuntu if youre windows user
08:17 RealBadAngel    it comes with KDE desktop similiar to windows one
08:17 VanessaE        one's as good as another, but any of the *Ubuntu ones are good.
08:17 VanessaE        I use Xubuntu.
08:18 Aqua            so if i do download this will it change the whole laptop?
08:18 VanessaE        if you install it, quite so, yes.
08:18 VanessaE        if you just "try" it, no.
08:18 VanessaE        it'll run entirely from the CD/DVD.
08:18 VanessaE        (but then nothing will be saved of course)
08:19 RealBadAngel    yup
08:19 RealBadAngel    thats a good way for you to try
08:19 Aqua            i have windows xp will it still run linux?
08:19 VanessaE        yes.
08:19 RealBadAngel    use Live distro for start
08:19 VanessaE        Linux runs separately.
08:19 RealBadAngel    hold on for link
08:19 VanessaE        Windows will not be active while linux is running, and vice-versa.
08:19 Aqua            http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
08:20 RealBadAngel    http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
08:20 Aqua            so it will change the whole start screen and everything?
08:20 VanessaE        Aqua: Linux is an operating system.  It aims to do the same basic job that Windows does - to control your computer, allow you to run programs, etc.  You can only have one operating system running at a time.
08:20 VanessaE        (virtual machines notwithstanding)
08:20 RealBadAngel    you can try it without any changes to your HDD
08:21 RealBadAngel    just boot off the downloaded CD
08:21 RealBadAngel    download, burn, boot
08:21 Aqua            i have to burn.......
08:21 VanessaE        yes.
08:21 RealBadAngel    yes
08:21 VanessaE        burn a disc image to CD or DVD.
08:21 VanessaE        then boot from it.
08:22 Aqua            get a disc and burn?
08:22 VanessaE        or get that thumbdrive version.
08:22 Aqua            usb?
08:22 VanessaE        (I don't remember how it works)
08:22 RealBadAngel    possible
08:22 VanessaE        yeah, there's a USB thumbdrive version.
08:22 Aqua            ok
08:22 RealBadAngel    just read the page
08:22 Aqua            thats good
08:23 Aqua            if i change to linux i cant change back to xp?
08:23 RealBadAngel    you can have both
08:23 RealBadAngel    and during boot you can select which one OS to run
08:23 Aqua            ahhh i see
08:23 VanessaE        Aqua: you can install what's called "dual boot", where you can select an OS to run at startup.
08:24 VanessaE        or you can just try linux from CD and not install it, see if you like it.
08:24 Aqua            is the linux screen different?
08:24 RealBadAngel    while installing the kubuntu you have to pick correct option
08:24 VanessaE        or you can do what I've done for years - only run linux.
08:24 Aqua            whats wubi?
08:24 RealBadAngel    skip it
08:24 VanessaE        yes, everything will be changed, but only as long as linux is running.
08:24 RealBadAngel    Aqua, as long as you know what cursor is, nothin will change
08:25 RealBadAngel    nothing gonna explode or something
08:25 RealBadAngel    it will look just a bit different :)
08:25 Aqua            if i change will i lose everything ive downloaded games,gimp etc.
08:25 RealBadAngel    no
08:25 Aqua            thanks
08:26 RealBadAngel    use option to install linux together with windows
08:26 RealBadAngel    when you will turn your machine on
08:26 Aqua            bittorent or regular download?
08:26 RealBadAngel    you will be asked to choose what system to run
08:26 VanessaE        regular download for now.
08:26 RealBadAngel    use regular
08:26 VanessaE        you probably don't have a torrent client.
08:26 Aqua            whats the differnce?
08:27 RealBadAngel    dowloading from http or torrent net
08:27 VanessaE        Aqua: don't ask, it's complicated :-)
08:27 RealBadAngel    usually http is faster
08:28 RealBadAngel    stupid question now
08:28 Aqua            yep i probaly wont understand just 8
08:28 RealBadAngel    how to create itemstack out of item name?
08:28 Aqua            hi
08:29 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: same as in a recipe
08:29 VanessaE        "default:wood 99"
08:29 VanessaE        for example.
08:29 Aqua            just click download no need to stick usb?
08:29 RealBadAngel    im tryin for half an hour
08:29 Aqua            btw whats abm?
08:29 RealBadAngel    i got the name
08:29 VanessaE        Aqua: download the CD/DVD image to your desktop.  Burn it to a disc.  Reboot with that disc.
08:29 RealBadAngel    and want to make itemstack out of it
08:30 RealBadAngel    and cannot find correct way
08:30 Aqua            32 or 64 nit?
08:30 Aqua            bit*
08:30 RealBadAngel    how much RAM your machine has?
08:30 VanessaE        Aqua: Active Block Modifier.  It's a way to make periodic changes to a block inside the world, such as spawning a flower, changing a furnace from active to inactive, etc.
08:30 VanessaE        32 or 64 bit depends on your processor.  How old is it?
08:30 RealBadAngel    hi sfan5
08:30 VanessaE        32 bit will work everywhere basically.
08:30 RealBadAngel    youre badly needed :)
08:31 Aqua            old dell intel centrino duo
08:31 VanessaE        64 bit will work only on AMD64/intel x86_64 machines.
08:31 VanessaE        ok, probably 32 bit then.
08:31 Aqua            5 or 6 yrs
08:31 RealBadAngel    if he has >4GB then 64
08:31 RealBadAngel    32
08:31 RealBadAngel    definitely
08:31 sfan5           hi
08:31 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: not always.  one of the guys here has an i686 machine with 4GB, can't run 64bit on it
08:31 VanessaE        kaeza I think it was?
08:32 Aqua            1 hr and 30 mines
08:32 Aqua            mines
08:32 Aqua            mins*
08:32 Aqua            to use to talking in server
08:35 Aqua            whats a collisionbox?
08:36 VanessaE        it's the space around an object that keeps you from getting any closer, or causes you to climb it
08:36 VanessaE        stairs have a stair-shaped collision box, most other things have a cube-shaped one.
08:37 VanessaE        it is not visible.
08:41 Aqua            i got this texture problem for exampleglass is an active furnace and furnace is dirt
08:42 VanessaE        usually that happens when you're too low on video memory, or your texture atlas is broken,
08:43 Aqua            any way to fix?
08:44 jin_xi
08:44 jin_xi          oops
08:46 VanessaE        enable_texture_atlas = false
08:46 VanessaE        in your minetest.conf
08:46 VanessaE        jin_xi: spaced out? ;-)
08:46 Aqua            whats a good server?
08:46 Aqua            i cant play gameboom or hunger game anymore:(
08:46 VanessaE        play on redcrab.suret.net 30401
08:46 jin_xi          always!
08:47 Aqua
08:47 Aqua            do i edit it with notepad?
08:48 VanessaE        any editor will do
08:48 VanessaE        notepad is fine.
08:48 VanessaE        just insert that line at the end of the file on a new line,
08:49 VanessaE        save, restart minetest.
08:50 Aqua            have to have # at front?
08:51 VanessaE        no.
08:51 VanessaE        # at front of a line means "ignore this line" to the computer.
08:51 VanessaE        they are comments.
08:52 jin_xi          RealBadAngel: you still need answer to your itemstack question?
08:53 Aqua            nah doesnt work guess its just too ole
08:53 Aqua            old
08:53 RealBadAngel    yes i do
08:54 RealBadAngel    im fightin the problem for 2 hours already
08:54 jin_xi          i think you can just make one like so:
08:55 jin_xi          { name = "painting:paintedcanvas", count = 1, metadata = minetest.serialize(data) }
08:55 VanessaE        Aqua: try fewer mods, use a smaller texture pack
08:58 VanessaE        Aqua: make sure your video driver is up to date and that the game is using the right video mode also
08:58 Aqua            wats the debug text keeps getting bigger can i delete it?
08:58 VanessaE        delete it.
08:58 VanessaE        it's just what it sounds like
08:59 VanessaE        debugging information, useful when a mod crashes.
08:59 Aqua            ok will it start again?
08:59 Aqua            no wonder my minetest is 6 fps recently
08:59 VanessaE        yes, it'll re-build it.
08:59 VanessaE        6 fps?
08:59 VanessaE        that's a video driver problem.
09:00 Aqua            but normally its 50 until yesterday and today
09:01 Aqua            when i open it my whole laptop freezes
09:06 * Jordach       has hiccups and says good morning
09:07 VanessaE        good morning.
09:07 VanessaE        Aqua: the problem is a broken video driver .
09:09 Jordach         aw man, i need to talk to OldCoder
09:09 Aqua            good night
09:12 jin_xi          RealBadAngel: does that work?
09:17 VanessaE        night all.
09:17 VanessaE        bedtime for me.
09:18 jin_xi          bye
09:18 Jordach         jin_xi - have you seen Taoki's models?
09:18 RealBadAngel    well, 3d players worked with 3 players :)
09:19 jin_xi          yes, i've seen the video yesterday
09:19 RealBadAngel    77.91.18.205:30000
09:19 Jordach         RealBadAngel whats 3^3
09:19 RealBadAngel    server is running all the time
09:20 RealBadAngel    there was Vanessa, sfan5 and me connected
09:20 RealBadAngel    so 3 players to test 3d players :)
09:20 * Jordach       considers building a british flag to indicate capture of a area
09:20 jin_xi          yeah, i just joined RBA
09:20 Aqua            can i join?
09:21 Jordach         Aqua you will probably see a 2d player if you use a normal client
09:23 jin_xi          hmm, segfault
09:23 Jordach         sfan5 - can you build taokis client? and add the models minetest game>
09:23 RealBadAngel    he did it already i think
09:23 RealBadAngel    but hes afk for a moment
09:24 jin_xi          ok, pulled latest _game
09:24 Jordach         RealBadAngel - i see nothing on his webpage
09:26 Aqua            so can i join?
09:26 Aqua            cya
09:27 RealBadAngel    john: do you have minetest_game from taoki too?
09:28 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest_game/tree/models
09:28 RealBadAngel    you have to use it
09:28 RealBadAngel    hi calinou
09:28 Calinou         hi
09:28 RealBadAngel    Calinou, wanna see 3d players?
09:29 Calinou         k :P
09:29 sfan5           Jordach: for windows?
09:29 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest_game/tree/models
09:29 Jordach         yes
09:29 RealBadAngel    minetest game
09:29 Jordach         (and use neccasary branch please)
09:29 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/models
09:29 RealBadAngel    and the engine
09:30 RealBadAngel    77.91.18.205:30000
09:30 Calinou         hmm k
09:32 Calinou         compiling..
09:33 Calinou         compiled!
09:34 Calinou         wtf
09:34 Calinou         I'm unable to type "7" in the address bar
09:34 Calinou         and I can't use numpad at all for some reason (yes, it is enabled)
09:36 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
09:37 Calinou         server protocol is 14, my protocol is 13...
09:37 * Calinou       switched keyboard layout just to type the IP since he can't copy paste it
09:39 jin_xi          hey Adam
09:40 RealBadAngel    calinou, compile the sources
09:40 RealBadAngel    then join
09:40 RealBadAngel    PilzAdam, 3d players are here
09:40 Calinou         I did
09:40 PilzAdam        RealBadAngel, i know
09:40 PilzAdam        saw it on GiHub
09:40 RealBadAngel    server is up
09:41 RealBadAngel    77.91.18.205:30000
09:41 RealBadAngel    you need both engine and minetest_game
09:41 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/models
09:41 Calinou         RealBadAngel: /set -n strict_protocol_version_checking false
09:41 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest_game/tree/models
09:41 Calinou         I have both, RealBadAngel
09:41 Calinou         wtf
09:41 * Calinou       facepalms
09:41 Calinou         it's a branch
09:41 RealBadAngel    yup :)
09:42 RealBadAngel    thats why im posting links to it
09:42 * Calinou       compiles again
09:42 RealBadAngel    somebody just proposed in game to add facepalm animation
09:42 Calinou         lol
09:42 RealBadAngel    with chat command :)
09:42 Calinou         taunts :D
09:43 Jordach         just like xonotic
09:48 PilzAdam        RealBadAngel, if I join your server do I need to download minetest_game?
09:57 Calinou         what the
09:57 Calinou         models are in .x format
09:57 Calinou         ...WTF
09:57 Calinou         well they work, but it's a m$ format :(
09:58 sfan5           win build for models will be up shortly
09:58 sfan5           check the page
09:58 sfan5           http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-bbd990f-models-ae66c6708f-win32.7z
09:58 OldCoder        Good morning
10:00 Calinou         RealBadAngel: any way to override model skin on all servers?
10:00 Calinou         like, models/all?
10:02 OldCoder        neko259, Hello
10:04 Jordach         Calinou does it render?
10:05 neko259         OldCoder: Hi.
10:05 Jordach         hey OldCoder
10:05 OldCoder        hi
10:05 Jordach         OldCoder PM.
10:05 Calinou         Jordach: the model? yes..
10:05 Calinou         Jordach: can you answer my question? :P
10:05 Jordach         its .x since irrlicht eats it
10:06 Calinou         *pokes irrlicht devs for iqm support*
10:06 * Jordach       pokes Calinou to get Calinou poking the Irrlicht devs
10:09 RealBadAngel    http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-bbd990f-models-ae66c6708f-win32.7z
10:09 RealBadAngel    Calinou, there will be
10:09 Calinou         :| I looked at player.lua, animation FPS is global, not per-animation...
10:09 RealBadAngel    each player can have own skin
10:09 Calinou         RealBadAngel: is it possible to override all players' skins?
10:10 RealBadAngel    not yet
10:10 RealBadAngel    and i think it shall not be possible
10:10 Jordach         Calinou - just do your bit and work on the changelog
10:10 Jordach         because textures are per model
10:11 RealBadAngel    server registered player will have own skin
10:11 Calinou         yes, but we should have a minetest.conf setting to force one skin on all players imo
10:11 RealBadAngel    and client shall not overwrite it
10:11 RealBadAngel    for what reason?
10:12 Calinou         scared parents (:P), preventing players from using "camouflage" skins in pvp
10:12 Calinou         and look consistency
10:12 RealBadAngel    you want some1 to force calinou to be naked? ;)
10:12 Jordach         make that part of the code so Calinou cant change such things#
10:12 RealBadAngel    lol
10:13 RealBadAngel    registered nicks on server will carry registered skins
10:13 Calinou         :| if I connect two players to the same server, the second keeps segfaulting
10:13 RealBadAngel    nope
10:13 RealBadAngel    you cant connect with same names
10:14 RealBadAngel    also empty password is also disabled
10:14 RealBadAngel    so, login, got your skin
10:15 RealBadAngel    and all can see it
10:15 RealBadAngel    when not specified, you will carry default
10:15 Calinou         i had different names :P
10:15 Calinou         and I connected to localhost
10:16 RealBadAngel    heh, we just made a QUANTUM leap and youre askin whats that bit of a paint down there ;)
10:17 RealBadAngel    rocket wasnt painted properly just
10:17 RealBadAngel    but its already on high orbit, so who cares :)
10:19 RealBadAngel    definition of tweaks is to work on already released code
10:20 RealBadAngel    all we need now are just tweaks
10:20 RealBadAngel    code is stable and working
10:21 RealBadAngel    several 3d players runnin around are more than enough to prove its stable
10:22 RealBadAngel    Calinou, models can be used for mobs too
10:23 RealBadAngel    jingle bells, jingle bells... ;)
10:24 * Jordach       makes a Minecraft Game
10:24 Jordach         <sarcasm>
10:24 RealBadAngel    oh, cmon
10:24 RealBadAngel    we can do better
10:25 RealBadAngel    Notch has already sold his soul
10:32 * Jordach       stretches
10:33 Jordach         RealBadAngel ip please
10:34 PilzAdam        77.91.18.205:30000
10:34 Jordach         thanks
10:34 Jordach         haha! win32 works off the bat!
10:35 Jordach         RealBadAngel - can i has privs?
10:50 PilzAdam        is RBA's server down?
10:51 PilzAdam        it was my wifi
10:51 Jordach         nope
10:51 Jordach         lol gaming wi-fi
10:57 Aqua            hi
10:57 Aqua            3.1 is nearly out =D
10:59 Jordach         aw man
10:59 Jordach         taoki should get herself to rba's place right now
10:59 Calinou         rofl
11:00 Calinou         12PM!
11:00 Calinou         :>
11:00 Jordach         yes 11:00 am here
11:04 RealBadAngel    server is running all the time
11:07 Jordach         fuck me
11:07 Jordach         minetest, y u segfault
11:08 jin_xi          you have latest _game?
11:08 Jordach         yahse
11:08 Jordach         (yes)
11:08 jin_xi          from taokis branch
11:08 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/monument.png
11:08 RealBadAngel    EPIC
11:09 Jordach         jin_xi - it died on me when i closed a hung app
11:11 PilzAdam        http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53485#p53485
11:12 PilzAdam        who helped to create it?
11:14 Jordach         me, Calinou, PilzAdam
11:14 Jordach         (assisted with pick, torch, clearing "third arm"
11:21 sfan5           re
11:24 RealBadAngel    i think that Taoki gonna like it
11:26 Calinou         i did the whole statue minus the pick/torch
11:26 iqualfragile1   we need a 3d player-model
11:27 RealBadAngel    yup
11:27 RealBadAngel    it is here
11:27 RealBadAngel    now folks responsible for merge
11:28 RealBadAngel    all of you feel free to push them :)
11:28 celeron55       not at the current state of unstabeleness
11:28 RealBadAngel    its stable
11:29 celeron55       see http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-11-25
11:29 KikaRz          Hi there pipolz!
11:29 RealBadAngel    it was 4 days ago
11:29 RealBadAngel    have you seen the current code?
11:29 celeron55       wat?
11:29 celeron55       i pulled taoki's repo today and tested it
11:29 KikaRz          Hi there celeron,
11:30 RealBadAngel    youre welcome to test
11:30 KikaRz          celeron, there is a chosen day to launch new version (0.5 or 0.4.4) ?
11:30 celeron55       as long as it randomly segfaults for me, it isn't going to go in
11:30 RealBadAngel    rotfl
11:30 celeron55       KikaRz: no
11:31 RealBadAngel    server is up for like 10 hours
11:31 KikaRz          Okey... but you got a changelog already?
11:31 celeron55       the server is stable, but client is not
11:31 RealBadAngel    and had 7 players max
11:31 Jordach         celeron55 - the segfault might have been my gpu
11:31 Jordach         (something crashed in the background and took mt with it)
11:31 celeron55       so it segfaults for Jordach, calinou and me
11:31 celeron55       that's enough reason
11:31 RealBadAngel    yup
11:32 Jordach         celeron55 is it a nvidia card you have?
11:32 celeron55       nope
11:32 RealBadAngel    the tree is called DEV if i recall corectly
11:32 RealBadAngel    not SUPER STABLE
11:32 Jordach         i know calinou has, and i do.
11:32 RealBadAngel    yes
11:32 KikaRz          lol
11:32 OldCoder        celeron55, to bridge the gap I'm merging upstream fixes into my server. Is there a particular commit you'd recommend related to mapgen?
11:32 celeron55       RealBadAngel: it isn't supposed to fail 2/3 of the time
11:32 OldCoder        Penguin, hi
11:32 KikaRz          Hi there Penguin
11:32 OldCoder        Penguin, You have a new avatar
11:32 RealBadAngel    because you both forgot to dowload minetest_game
11:32 Penguin         yay
11:33 OldCoder        Penguin, people can see it in a few minutes
11:33 celeron55       RealBadAngel: stop being an idiot
11:33 Jordach         RealBadAngel - actually, no, you dont have to
11:33 OldCoder        You are a penguin!
11:33 KikaRz          no, he's a tux.
11:33 RealBadAngel    im not an idiot
11:33 KikaRz          *Tux
11:33 Penguin         Coder Can U Add Scafolding Mod Please
11:33 OldCoder        Penguin, your ingame nick is Penguin is that correct?
11:33 OldCoder        Penguin, Link please
11:33 OldCoder        For scaffolding
11:33 RealBadAngel    i just recalled crash reasons
11:33 Penguin         okay and yes
11:34 RealBadAngel    anyway it turns some ppl were right
11:34 OldCoder        Penguin, I will wait for link
11:35 Penguin         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3205
11:35 OldCoder        Penguin, R
11:35 RealBadAngel    it looks like you, celeron55, doesnt want to get the game to go further
11:35 RealBadAngel    pity and shame :P
11:35 OldCoder        Penguin, see if anybody will support this mod: is it safe?
11:35 Jordach         yes
11:35 OldCoder        Looks lightweight
11:36 jin_xi          well, lets track this crash bug down
11:36 OldCoder        Jordach, you like it?
11:36 RealBadAngel    hire some more $1500 folks
11:36 RealBadAngel    meanwhile bye
11:36 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, There are lots of changes in my worlds this weekend
11:36 OldCoder        Too bad
11:36 * OldCoder      sighs
11:36 Jordach         i know.
11:36 OldCoder        celeron55, Good morning
11:37 celeron55       i can't belive somebody gets pissed off because i won't merge code upstream that segfaults half of the time
11:37 celeron55       well, everything happens...
11:37 OldCoder        It will be fine
11:37 Penguin         Oldcoder Is it safe It Was Fine In S
11:37 OldCoder        k
11:37 Penguin         SP*
11:37 OldCoder        What is S?
11:37 Penguin         Singleplayer
11:37 OldCoder        Jordach, you like this mod?
11:37 KikaRz          so
11:37 KikaRz          its SP
11:37 KikaRz          not S
11:37 KikaRz          '-'
11:38 OldCoder        celeron55, are there upstream commits you like related to mapgen?
11:38 * Jordach       does need something to keep me floating without fly
11:38 celeron55       OldCoder: wut?
11:38 OldCoder        celeron55, I am patching to build stable servers
11:38 OldCoder        to bridge the gap
11:38 Penguin         Thats Why I Put
11:38 Penguin         SP*
11:38 Penguin         KikaRz
11:38 celeron55       OldCoder: i don't understand
11:38 * OldCoder      laughs
11:38 KikaRz          lol
11:38 OldCoder        celeron55, I get so tired when people don't understand. But it is fine.
11:39 KikaRz          OldCoder
11:39 OldCoder        celeron55, here is the simple story:
11:39 OldCoder        celeron55, to make people happy I will build servers that don't crash
11:39 OldCoder        Don't Crash is Good
11:39 KikaRz          OFFTOPIC - How i can get in Minetest server folder in the vps by SSH ?
11:39 OldCoder        I Don't Want Crash
11:39 KikaRz          well (PuTTY)
11:39 OldCoder        KikaRz, wait
11:39 celeron55       nobody wants crashes - so? 8)
11:39 OldCoder        celeron55, I also need LevelDB. You don't have it.
11:39 OldCoder        celeron55, Therefore I am building stable servers with carefully selected code.
11:40 OldCoder        Simple? No? Then I Surrender! :-)
11:40 celeron55       how is this related to upstream commits related to mapgen
11:40 OldCoder        celeron55, simple as well...
11:40 OldCoder        celeron55, I have been told there are bug fixes related to mapgen and will merge them. But I did not notice them in the recent logs. Are there commits of this sort that you happen to approve of?
11:41 OldCoder        celeron55, there is the confusing and strange question!
11:41 OldCoder        :P
11:41 celeron55       i am not aware of any bugfixes to mapgen
11:41 Jordach         it replaces slow 'ol pow(x,y) with t*t*t
11:41 OldCoder        celeron55, Thank you, then. Come and visit my worlds. Tell me what your 2D avatar should be.
11:42 Taoki|away      All I can say is I never experienced any mapgen crashes
11:42 OldCoder        Jordach, O.K. I think I have that fix merged.
11:42 Penguin         OldCoder Is Server Back Up Yet ?
11:42 OldCoder        Taoki|away, not crashes but corruption
11:42 OldCoder        Penguin, I am adding scaffolding
11:42 celeron55       corruption is not related to map generation, it's related to map storage
11:42 Penguin         Thanks And Note Me When it Is Up
11:42 OldCoder        celeron55, very well // storage is hell // what do you // recommend
11:42 celeron55       i have never experienced that either, except for the couple of small files getting messed up
11:43 OldCoder        very well as well
11:43 OldCoder        then truth to tell
11:43 OldCoder        we are done!
11:43 OldCoder        :-)
11:43 OldCoder        celeron55, is there a 2D character you would prefer?
11:43 OldCoder        What shall it be?
11:43 OldCoder        Ballerina, Cat, Dinosaur, or Rat?
11:43 OldCoder        What shall it be?
11:43 OldCoder
11:44 OldCoder        KikaRz, wait please
11:44 OldCoder        KikaRz, I am adding a mod ATM
11:44 KikaRz          ok
11:44 KikaRz          i want cats !
11:44 KikaRz          !!!
11:44 OldCoder        KikaRz, would you like to be one?
11:45 KikaRz          yea
11:45 KikaRz          :D
11:45 OldCoder        Very well
11:45 KikaRz          i wanted to have a domestic cat.
11:45 OldCoder        You are a temporary kitty; we will change to a better one later on
11:46 OldCoder        scaffolding is added
11:46 OldCoder        and KikaRz is a Kitty
11:46 Penguin         OldCoder I Can Not See My Self Can  I
11:46 OldCoder        Penguin, No
11:46 OldCoder        But others can screenshot you
11:46 KikaRz          OldCoder
11:46 OldCoder        worlds returning soon
11:46 OldCoder        KikaRz, yes
11:46 KikaRz          i wanted to have a cat in home
11:46 KikaRz          and i could sit him
11:46 OldCoder        Go on
11:46 KikaRz          etc
11:46 OldCoder        And?
11:47 Penguin         Tell Me When Back Up
11:47 OldCoder        What happened?
11:47 OldCoder        k
11:47 OldCoder        Lots of changes, folks
11:47 OldCoder        Any more mods?
11:48 Penguin         Wait OldCoder 1 minit
11:48 KikaRz          can i make cats skins?
11:48 OldCoder        KikaRz, yes
11:48 OldCoder        KikaRz, like this:
11:49 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/player.png
11:49 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/player_back.png
11:49 OldCoder        Make two PNG files
11:49 OldCoder        Transparent background
11:49 KikaRz          yea
11:49 OldCoder        Height must be exactly double width
11:49 KikaRz          but they must be smaller
11:49 OldCoder        Nope
11:49 KikaRz          o.o
11:49 OldCoder        I can scale them
11:49 KikaRz          A GIANT CAT ? O_O'
11:49 OldCoder        it will be the right size
11:49 OldCoder        Just
11:49 OldCoder        Height must be exactly double width
11:49 OldCoder        That is the rule
11:49 OldCoder        Also
11:49 OldCoder        Transparent background
11:50 OldCoder        And
11:50 OldCoder        Front and back outline must match
11:50 OldCoder        Those are the rules to follow
11:50 Penguin         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2765
11:50 OldCoder        KikaRz, is your nick KikaRz ingame?
11:50 OldCoder        Penguin, R
11:50 KikaRz          yes
11:51 OldCoder        Jordach, anybody else: will you second that mod?
11:51 Penguin         Save People Droping Stuff And Laging Server And it is useful
11:51 KikaRz          but OldCoder
11:51 OldCoder        Penguin, does it work with the new 0.4.3 ?
11:51 KikaRz          how ill make a cat
11:51 OldCoder        KikaRz, yes?
11:51 KikaRz          with that size?
11:51 OldCoder        KikaRz, try Inkscape
11:51 KikaRz          not that
11:51 OldCoder        The cat must stand
11:51 OldCoder        It is a Neko
11:51 KikaRz          just standing?
11:52 OldCoder        It can do what you wish
11:52 OldCoder        Meow or frown
11:52 OldCoder        It is your avatar
11:52 OldCoder        It can do what you wish
11:52 Penguin         i will test now coder
11:52 OldCoder        Penguin, see if anybody will second
11:53 KikaRz          oh
11:53 KikaRz          my avatar...
11:53 KikaRz          but i wanted to make a cat
11:53 KikaRz          not my avatar
11:53 KikaRz          '-'
11:53 OldCoder        ?
11:53 OldCoder        Just a cat?
11:53 OldCoder        meow?
11:53 OldCoder        What is the question?
11:54 KikaRz          We can implement pets to the game?
11:54 KikaRz          Like dogs, cats, birds?
11:54 OldCoder        Ah
11:54 OldCoder        Not yet
11:54 OldCoder        Just avatars
11:54 KikaRz          so
11:54 OldCoder        Pets are bets for lag
11:54 OldCoder        Does anybody else wish to comment on pets mods?
11:55 Penguin         Pets=lag
11:55 OldCoder        k
11:55 OldCoder        Penguin, test the trash mod
11:56 Penguin         i am i am load ing
11:58 Penguin         Trash 0.3 Works With 0.4.3 :)
11:59 Penguin         OldCoder Trash 0.3 Works With 0.4.3 :)
11:59 OldCoder        We will try it
12:00 OldCoder
12:00 Penguin         Old Coder Texture Pack Is Geting Old ?
12:00 OldCoder        17 U.S. Worlds Restarted. Come and Get Them.
12:00 OldCoder        Penguin, Hmm?
12:00 OldCoder        Penguin, restarting
12:01 Penguin         okay
12:01 OldCoder        Penguin, what about textures?
12:01 Penguin         and Dokutest is geting old
12:01 OldCoder        Penguin, Explain
12:01 Penguin         the texture pack for server need new one ?
12:02 Penguin         Just Suggestion
12:02 OldCoder        Penguin, Explain please
12:02 OldCoder        That is fine
12:02 OldCoder        Explain if you wish
12:02 OldCoder        and join a server now
12:02 Penguin         okay
12:02 OldCoder        Wait
12:02 OldCoder        Problem
12:02 OldCoder        Stopping
12:02 Penguin         what problem
12:03 OldCoder        I don't know yet
12:03 OldCoder        Possibly due to one of those new mods you requested
12:03 Penguin         Btw The Trash Mod Has the Nyan Cat Texture
12:03 OldCoder        NekoGloop, I am building new stuff today including the patch you wanted
12:03 Jordach         hey NekoGloop
12:03 OldCoder        NekoGloop, you also have your avatar now
12:04 OldCoder        Penguin, regarding Nyan Cat go on
12:04 NekoGloop       OldCoder: Already have it.
12:04 OldCoder        NekoGloop, fine
12:04 Penguin         Oldcoder The Trash Mod Has the Nyan Cat Texture Could That Be A Problem
12:05 OldCoder        Penguin, suggest a fix
12:05 KikaRz          OldCoder
12:05 OldCoder        KikaRz, yes?
12:05 KikaRz          how i get into the minetest.conf (in the vps) ?
12:05 OldCoder        KikaRz, using nano
12:05 Penguin         Ask For Texture Change ? Maby
12:05 KikaRz          ...
12:05 OldCoder        As I mentioned last night
12:05 KikaRz          but how?
12:05 KikaRz          i have nano
12:05 OldCoder        KikaRz, what step is stopping you?
12:05 BambooVase      what vps?
12:05 KikaRz          m13.
12:05 OldCoder        KikaRz, would you like me to ssh in?
12:05 OldCoder        Tell m13 to see me
12:06 KikaRz          OldCoder
12:06 OldCoder        I may already have the password
12:06 KikaRz          teamviewer, you got ?
12:06 OldCoder        KikaRz, Not now
12:06 OldCoder        It is slow
12:06 OldCoder        It is Windows
12:06 * OldCoder      hates Windows
12:06 OldCoder        KikaRz, I will ssh in and fix it
12:06 OldCoder        I may already have his pass
12:06 OldCoder        Which server is this?
12:06 KikaRz          query.
12:06 KikaRz          or go to #m13
12:07 NekoGloop       You dont have to state you hate windows.
12:07 OldCoder        I have PMd
12:07 OldCoder        NekoGloop, thank you for this news
12:07 NekoGloop       If you are not me and spend any amount of time here, you hate windows.
12:10 Penguin         whats the problem Old coder
12:12 Penguin         Old Coder This inventory warp is good and better  u would have to remove the inventory gui though its cool http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3812
12:17 OldCoder        Penguin, I must fix crashes
12:17 OldCoder        Worlds are not starting
12:18 Penguin         Dont Add Trash Mod
12:18 Penguin         The Textures Are Messed Up
12:22 OldCoder        12:22:06: ERROR[main]: Game "minetest_game" not found
12:22 OldCoder        Great
12:22 OldCoder        Getting that now and I have no idea why
12:22 OldCoder        Hmm
12:23 NekoGloop       Because all hell is breaking loose.
12:23 OldCoder        Hmm
12:24 Penguin         Sorry Coder
12:24 Jordach         john_minetest - no, it does not
12:26 Penguin         :(
12:27 Penguin         Sorry Coder
12:28 OldCoder        Penguin, busy because something basic is broken now
12:28 Jordach         john_minetest - i assume it is possible
12:28 Jordach         but that needs some magic
12:28 Penguin         Sorry Coder
12:28 OldCoder        This is why I dislike updates
12:28 OldCoder        and changes
12:29 Jordach         (same ere. gmip 2.8 is crap)
12:29 OldCoder        Yes!
12:29 OldCoder        WTF is happening
12:30 Penguin         OldCoder whats Happend
12:30 OldCoder        Everything is totally broken
12:30 OldCoder        Working
12:30 OldCoder        I mean, I am working on this
12:30 OldCoder        KikaRz, I can't talk further ATM. I will need the pass to help. Period. I helped him set up that VPS.
12:31 KikaRz          hate razor.
12:33 OldCoder        Did they change where the game looks for _game directories??
12:34 OldCoder        I swear I'll never update again
12:34 OldCoder
12:34 Penguin_        is this my fault
12:34 OldCoder        celeron55, do you know if upstream has changed where --game looks?
12:34 OldCoder        Penguin_, no
12:34 OldCoder        Relax... just working on something that is an issue
12:34 OldCoder        --gameid I mean
12:34 KikaRz          Who is Razor?
12:35 OldCoder        ?
12:35 KikaRz          who is Razor in-game?
12:35 KikaRz          from irc.
12:35 OldCoder        I have no idea
12:35 KikaRz          that stupid griefer
12:35 Jordach         razor can be anyone here
12:35 Jordach         (bar me)
12:35 OldCoder        We can block his subnet
12:35 KikaRz          next time that destroy my house, put blocks or something, ill ban him
12:36 KikaRz          he says: I know very well UbuntuNErd etc.
12:36 OldCoder        I think I see the problem
12:36 OldCoder        The game will be fixed soon
12:36 NekoGloop       Sounds like razor represents the first alice. And LM the second.
12:37 OldCoder        Please not this early
12:37 OldCoder        Who is the 3rd Alice?
12:37 NekoGloop       Just musing.
12:37 NekoGloop       The song has not ended yet.
12:37 OldCoder        Penguin_, what is this new mod?
12:37 OldCoder        NekoGloop, Indeed
12:38 Jordach         HEH
12:38 Jordach         DAMN keyboard, y u disconnect?!
12:38 OldCoder        O.K.
12:38 OldCoder        Things will come back
12:39 NekoGloop       Charming the people of wonderland to every beck and call... I suppose the third alice will attempt to undermine you by gaining your trust.
12:39 OldCoder        Hmm
12:39 OldCoder        NekoGloop, can't they all just go for tea or something?
12:39 NekoGloop       Heh.
12:39 OldCoder        I got crashes to fix
12:39 OldCoder        And real life work to do
12:40 KikaRz          .FAIL
12:40 OldCoder        Kitty Avatars to add
12:40 NekoGloop       A tea party with blue roses, a line from the fourth one.
12:40 KikaRz          PRESSED A KEY THAT TURNED OFF SERVER
12:40 KikaRz          D;
12:40 KikaRz          WHAT NOW?
12:40 OldCoder        KikaRz, I will teach you
12:40 KikaRz          yea
12:40 OldCoder        But I will need to do it there
12:40 KikaRz          now i know the directory
12:40 OldCoder        Good
12:40 KikaRz          kika's fail
12:40 OldCoder        It is fine
12:40 KikaRz          its in ~/minetest-0.4.3/bin
12:41 KikaRz          so, need to cd /minetest-0.4.3
12:41 OldCoder        NekoGloop, gain trust is irrelevant if somebody is trustworthy
12:41 KikaRz          then minetest.conf
12:41 OldCoder        That depends on their motives
12:41 OldCoder        KikaRz, yes
12:41 Jordach         OldCoder - PS/2 is old school. but its more reliable than USB at times.
12:41 OldCoder        Yes
12:41 KikaRz          how i open in the editor the minetest.conf?
12:42 KikaRz          i've forgot the program
12:42 NekoGloop       Notepad++
12:42 KikaRz          not that
12:42 KikaRz          -.-
12:42 KikaRz          im in a vps
12:42 OldCoder        nano
12:42 KikaRz          not in windows
12:42 KikaRz          Ok
12:43 KikaRz          then to save?
12:44 OldCoder        Yes
12:44 OldCoder        Control X I think
12:44 KikaRz          what i do to save?
12:44 KikaRz          control x?
12:44 OldCoder        Control X I think
12:44 OldCoder        Maybe
12:44 KikaRz          what control?
12:44 * OldCoder      sighs
12:44 KikaRz          ah!
12:44 KikaRz          yea
12:44 NekoGloop       ctrl+x
12:44 OldCoder        KikaRz, to help I will need the pass in the future
12:45 OldCoder        What was the next mod Penguin_ wanted?
12:45 KikaRz          well
12:45 KikaRz          how i open it now?
12:45 KikaRz          cd bin
12:45 KikaRz          ls
12:45 OldCoder        KikaRz, See above
12:45 KikaRz          minetestserver is in green
12:45 OldCoder        No more without pass
12:45 OldCoder        It is very tiring
12:45 KikaRz          so, it must be minetestserver.sh
12:45 OldCoder        To support this blind
12:46 KikaRz          ... come on
12:46 OldCoder        Penguin_, that new mod is not compatible
12:46 KikaRz          please, tell me
12:47 OldCoder        KikaRz, that is not the issue
12:47 KikaRz          how i enter the minetestserver?
12:47 OldCoder        KikaRz, I am very tired and will not comment unless I can see the files. Do not ask me again without the pass. Period.
12:47 KikaRz          ...
12:47 OldCoder        I helped him *set up* these VPS
12:47 OldCoder        He has asked me to *pay for* the new one!
12:47 KikaRz          root@ubuntu:~/minetest-0.4.3/bin# ls
12:47 KikaRz          debug.txt  minetestserver
12:47 OldCoder        If you have a problem with this go speak with him please
12:47 OldCoder        Rebuild in progress
12:48 KikaRz          minetestserver in green.
12:49 OldCoder        Rebuild is proceeding quickly
12:50 KikaRz          ...
12:50 Penguin_        is server back
12:50 KikaRz          how i launch minetestserver?
12:50 KikaRz          need to compile it?
12:51 OldCoder        Penguin_, It will be fine. All is well. I am rebuilding.
12:51 OldCoder        KikaRz, see above please; thank you.
12:51 PilzAdam        back
12:51 KikaRz          OldCoder, can't give you password without his permission.
12:51 OldCoder        I have a friend who says he is unhappy. I must help him.
12:51 KikaRz          only with teamviewer.
12:51 OldCoder        KikaRz, I am not interested in discussing the matter further
12:52 OldCoder        KikaRz, with all due respect please stop
12:52 Penguin_        is server back thought
12:52 OldCoder        PilzAdam, Hi
12:52 OldCoder        Penguin_, It will be fine. All is well. I am rebuilding.
12:52 OldCoder        Penguin_, there are many new features and changes
12:52 OldCoder        Changes bring difficulties though
12:53 OldCoder        A friend has PMd and is in trouble. I will be focused on his problem for a while.
12:54 Penguin_        i dont get you yes Or no ? confused
12:55 OldCoder        Penguin_, I am sorry that you are confused. People often do not understand me. I have stated the situation as clearly as possible. I regret any confusion.
12:55 OldCoder        Penguin_, See above please
12:56 Penguin_        so it is back ?
12:56 OldCoder        Penguin_, There is a friend who is panicked about a real life issue. I am busy there. No, it is not back. Please see above. I am rebuilding.
12:57 OldCoder        Penguin_, changes broke things
12:57 OldCoder        Penguin_, therefore I must rebuild
12:57 OldCoder        Penguin_, I do not know how to say that more clearly
12:57 OldCoder        Penguin_, I do not like changes very much
12:58 Penguin_        sorry and okay
12:58 OldCoder        It is fine
12:58 OldCoder        I am checking the output now
12:58 OldCoder        Penguin_, KikaRz others what you need to understand is... things take time and effort
12:58 KikaRz          ...
12:58 KikaRz          shut up.
12:58 OldCoder        ... indeed
12:59 OldCoder        I have stated the obvious. Hardly calls for shut up.
12:59 OldCoder        And BTW KikaRz I have helped M13 for months with his projects
12:59 OldCoder        You are the one who should consider her words
12:59 OldCoder        D:
12:59 OldCoder
13:00 OldCoder        granted http://minetestm13.com/ is not updated. That is his decision and not mine
13:00 OldCoder
13:01 OldCoder        When you have contributed and been useful KikaRz then you may tell people to "shut up"
13:01 OldCoder
13:01 KikaRz          OldCoder, that was not my problem
13:01 KikaRz          but yes your.
13:01 KikaRz          Reason: I couldnt give you the login things
13:01 KikaRz          because i was not authorized to give you
13:01 OldCoder        KikaRz, I honestly don't care ATM
13:02 OldCoder        And I have told you
13:02 OldCoder        I am not interested in discussing it
13:02 OldCoder        The issue is not *my* problem
13:02 OldCoder        I have no obligation to help you or others
13:02 OldCoder        I do so because this is what I choose
13:02 OldCoder        D:
13:02 OldCoder
13:02 OldCoder        Do not PM me here ATM
13:02 OldCoder        I do not choose to PM with you
13:02 OldCoder
13:03 KikaRz          ...
13:03 KikaRz          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9U0k_1H3eQ&feature=channel&list=UL
13:03 OldCoder        ...
13:03 KikaRz          ... = b*stard for me.
13:03 KikaRz          *bastard thing
13:03 Penguin_        KikaRz STFU Your A Wast Of Time If YOu DONT LIKE So One Or Thing DOnt Comment SIMPLe
13:03 OldCoder        Be nice Penguin_
13:03 KikaRz          ...
13:03 KikaRz          Penguin_, nobody talked with you
13:05 KikaRz          need to build the spawn.
13:09 Penguin_        No Offence But If You Dont Like Something Why Comment
13:10 OldCoder        Penguin_, I'd drop it
13:10 OldCoder        Penguin_, almost done I hope
13:12 KikaRz          when sh the file minetestserver: 14: minetestserver: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
13:12 KikaRz          when bash :
13:12 KikaRz          minetestserver: minetestserver: cannot execute binary file
13:15 KikaRz          FINALLY!
13:15 OldCoder        babyface1031, Hi
13:15 KikaRz          i've forgot an alternative
13:15 KikaRz          ./minetestserver (works too.)
13:15 babyface1031    hi OldCoder
13:16 KikaRz          OldCoder, an error occured
13:16 KikaRz          19:16:06: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: Failed to bind socket (port already in use?)
13:17 KikaRz          :/
13:17 Penguin_        is server back ?
13:18 OldCoder        Penguin_, I am working on it
13:19 babyface1031    Hi Penguin
13:19 KikaRz          Now, fixed.
13:20 KikaRz          server was running in second place.
13:27 OldCoder        Penguin_, babyface1031 Join and see if things work or crash
13:27 OldCoder        babyface1031, Please try the gate that crashed before
13:27 babyface1031    ok
13:27 Penguin_        ookay
13:29 OldCoder        babyface1031, I fixed your avatar up a bit
13:29 babyface1031    oh cool
13:29 OldCoder        You look good
13:30 OldCoder        Penguin_, you look good too
13:31 OldCoder        babyface1031, TP to Penguin and take a look
13:31 babyface1031    ok
13:31 OldCoder        babyface1031, What do you think of him?
13:31 OldCoder        Ah
13:31 babyface1031    i like it
13:33 KikaRz          how we can craft wools?
13:33 OldCoder        babyface1031, stand next to him
13:33 KikaRz          can someone answer me please?
13:33 babyface1031    ok
13:33 OldCoder        Say cheese
13:33 KikaRz          cheese
13:33 babyface1031    cheese
13:33 KikaRz          lol
13:34 Penguin_        i keep geting acess
13:34 OldCoder        babyface1031, thank you
13:34 OldCoder        Done
13:35 babyface1031    ok
13:36 KikaRz          who can tell me how to craft wools?
13:36 PilzAdam        KikaRz, you cant craft wool in current minetest_game
13:36 KikaRz          ok
13:36 KikaRz          just in creative, right?
13:37 PilzAdam        or /giveme wool:white
13:37 KikaRz          its a new user into the server that wants to get wool
13:38 OldCoder
13:38 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/avatars.jpg
13:39 OldCoder        babyface1031, Penguin_, PilzAdam, KikaRz, celeron55, VanessaE, Jordach, thexyz: The new 2D avatars using PilzAdam code will look like this. Just 2D but they are fun
13:39 OldCoder
13:39 babyface1031    i like them ty
13:39 KikaRz          Ok :D
13:40 Penguin_        There Amazing
13:40 Penguin_        Thanks
13:40 Penguin_        Oldcoder
13:41 OldCoder        Penguin_, y w
13:41 OldCoder        Penguin_, you like? :-)
13:41 Penguin_        yes i like a lot
13:42 OldCoder        Very well!
13:42 ruskie          mmm really need to make one of those for myself
13:42 OldCoder        Worlds are not guaranteed to work perfectly today. Several changes. Please test and report stuff.
13:43 OldCoder        ruskie, rules are very simple: Transparent background. Height must be exactly double width. Two images front and back. Back outline must match front outline exactly.
13:43 OldCoder        Models:
13:43 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/player.png
13:43 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/player_back.png
13:43 OldCoder
13:43 OldCoder        Back side does not need to be exact for feet
13:43 OldCoder
13:45 OldCoder        It is time for an old coder to rest again for a little while. Report crashes and bugs later. Changes include fix for crashes, scaffolding mod, unified bricks, 2D avatars, some internal work
13:45 OldCoder
13:45 OldCoder        Zzz
13:46 OldCoder        Oh and most worlds have More Flags now plus Vanessa Flowers are updated
13:46 OldCoder
13:49 KikaRz          ill make my skin
13:50 ruskie          heh I'll adjust my avatar to fit... it'll probably look horrible though=
13:59 KikaRz          Welcome Valkis
13:59 KikaRz          How are you?
13:59 Valkis          got it
13:59 Valkis          fine u?
14:02 KikaRz          who is Herobrine ingame?
14:02 Valkis          ?
14:02 KikaRz          IP : 82.113.106.79
14:02 KikaRz          FAIL
14:02 KikaRz          Valkis, im going to turn again the server on
14:02 Valkis          k
14:04 Valkis          when tou turn it down?
14:04 Valkis          you*
14:20 babyface1031    anyone know of a texture pack that has a diffrent texture for the trash can mod
14:22 KikaRz          Valkis
14:22 KikaRz          its now on
14:22 KikaRz          oh.
14:28 KikaRz          what is a sweeper for?
14:28 ruskie          to make empty bookshelves
14:28 KikaRz          ok
14:32 KikaRz          i made an original farm
14:35 KikaRz          hi again iqualfragile
14:36 PilzAdam        any opinions about these changes of the fire mod? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/53
14:51 rubenwardy      hi all
14:56 KikaRz          Hi :D
14:57 rubenwardy      wuu2?
15:08 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/download.php
15:08 rubenwardy      Made it so it automatically detects the Operating System
15:08 celeron55       PilzAdam: i guess those could be reasonable
15:15 KikaRz          Who here plays that famous mice game? (Transformice)
15:19 KikaRz          PilzAdam
15:20 KikaRz          I can use my minecraft front skin?
15:22 rubenwardy      Minetest has been submitted to IGN
15:22 KikaRz          YAAAAAAAAY
15:22 KikaRz          :D
15:25 rubenwardy1     ^^ sfan5 ^^
15:36 rubenwardy      almost, pilzadam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/forum/
15:37 KikaRz          PilzAdam
15:37 KikaRz          the skin size must be 128x256 ? O_O'
15:37 KikaRz          PilzAdam, are you there=?
15:38 Jordach         rubenwardy i seem to be loggen in as you
15:39 rubenwardy      no, it is not really linked up
15:40 rubenwardy      look again, much nicer
15:43 sfan5           rubenwardy: yay
15:51 rubenwardy      what does everyone think about this: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/forum/
15:51 rubenwardy      (apart from the issues, that quite stand out)
15:59 KikaRz          my skin is already done
16:20 rubenwardy      is Hybrid Dog here?
16:22 rubenwardy      this chat room is boring today
16:25 PilzAdam        back
16:38 KikaRz          PilzAdam
16:38 KikaRz          rubenwardy
16:38 KikaRz          they went to the church
16:38 rubenwardy      hi?
16:39 KikaRz          Hi
16:40 rubenwardy      hi
16:41 KikaRz          Hi
16:43 rubenwardy      Hi
16:48 KikaRz          PilzAdam_win, can you answer me'
16:52 PilzAdam_win    hma, what?
16:52 PilzAdam_win    -a
16:53 PilzAdam_win    KikaRz: whats your question?
16:58 KikaRz          Nothing
16:59 Calinou         Taoki: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/364c3ee89061f46758505667179622927e7715d2 < why?
16:59 PilzAdam_win    ok... ?
16:59 Calinou         consumers are gonna laugh at moonwalk :P
16:59 Calinou         (consumers here means MC players :P)
17:04 Calinou         rofl
17:04 Calinou         I'm looking like desert sand for some reason on my local server
17:06 Calinou         works now
17:06 Calinou         lol
17:06 Jordach         what
17:06 Jordach         ?!?
17:10 VanessaE        hi all.
17:12 PilzAdam_win    hi VanessaE, guess what OS im on
17:12 OldCoder        Back
17:12 OldCoder        VanessaE, Hi Back
17:12 VanessaE        PilzAdam_win: I guess OSX ;)
17:12 VanessaE        hey OldCoder
17:13 PilzAdam_win    wtf; i hate apple
17:15 VanessaE        I was kidding jeez :-)
17:17 rubenwardy      VanessaE: I submited minetest to ign
17:17 VanessaE        cool
17:18 PilzAdam_win    VanessaE: even in a theoretical kidding-world i hate apple
17:18 VanessaE        PilzAdam_win: ok..um..BeOS? ;-)
17:18 VanessaE        (or whatever they call it now)
17:18 PilzAdam_win    BeOS... ?
17:19 VanessaE        nevermind :-)
17:22 Calinou         lol
17:22 Calinou         continuous_forward = true allows you to move without running animation
17:23 PilzAdam_win    okay, OS hopping again :-)
17:25 OldCoder        penguin what is Useful Desert mod
17:25 OldCoder        Hmm he is not here
17:25 Jordach         VanessaE hello
17:26 Jordach         hello PilzAdam
17:26 babyface1031    i can ask him OldCoder
17:26 PilzAdam        windows booting is 100 times slower than Linux's
17:26 OldCoder        babyface1031, ask him for a link
17:26 OldCoder        babyface1031, I saw him say it in in-game chat
17:26 OldCoder        But I can't find out which mod he means
17:26 babyface1031    ok
17:27 OldCoder        babyface1031, BTW I can see chat but not talk unless I join game
17:27 babyface1031    ok
17:27 VanessaE        hey Jordach
17:27 KikaRz          PilzAdam
17:27 KikaRz          can you send me your mod?
17:28 babyface1031    this might be it
17:28 babyface1031    pilzadamn
17:28 babyface1031    sorry
17:28 babyface1031    let me try again
17:28 babyface1031    http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3761
17:29 PilzAdam        KikaRz, wich mod?
17:29 OldCoder        babyface1031, That says "More" Useful Deserts
17:29 babyface1031    i will ask if thats it
17:29 OldCoder        babyface1031, Is that the one Penguin means? Does not sound the same
17:29 babyface1031    i will ask
17:30 babyface1031    he said yeah
17:30 OldCoder        Hmm
17:31 OldCoder
17:31 OldCoder        babyface1031, If you talk to others see if there is consensus about this mod
17:31 babyface1031    ok i will when ppl get on
17:31 OldCoder        Or here
17:31 rubenwardy      http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/forum/
17:31 rubenwardy      you can now change backgrounds. Go to profile > settings > style when logged in
17:32 OldCoder        k
17:32 babyface1031    ok no one from 30004 is on here now too
17:33 OldCoder        babyface1031, you can ask anybody
17:33 babyface1031    oh ok
17:34 babyface1031    what does everyone think of this mod http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3761 is it a good one to have
17:34 OldCoder        Safe etc.
17:34 OldCoder        Mostly
17:34 OldCoder        Does it break things
17:34 babyface1031    yes and everything OldCoder said^
17:34 OldCoder        babyface1031, BTW Please try the gate that wasn't working in your world
17:35 babyface1031    ok i will try again
17:36 babyface1031    works for me but it is my protect block there should i ask penguin if he can come over and see if it works for him
17:36 OldCoder        babyface1031, Yes
17:37 babyface1031    it worked for him
17:37 OldCoder        k
17:37 OldCoder        t y
17:37 OldCoder        babyface1031, tell him I will restart the worlds with Desert Uses added
17:38 OldCoder        In the next 10 to 45 minutes probably
17:38 babyface1031    ok
17:45 KikaRz          PilzAdam, the mod that let us get with a skin
17:45 KikaRz          well OldCoder
17:45 KikaRz          i already done my skin
17:45 OldCoder        KikaRz, Let's see it
17:46 KikaRz          next to the shower,ill snd you
17:48 KikaRz          OldCoder, i cant send you now because my computer i s lagging
17:49 KikaRz          well, back part is higher
17:49 KikaRz          than the front
18:03 Calinou         from 31 to 9 creative inventory pages...
18:04 Calinou         stairs from stairs+ and more blocks are now hidden, as well as map tools blocks/items
18:16 KikaRz          idk
18:17 KikaRz          OldCOder
18:17 KikaRz          can i send you the skin now?
18:19 OldCoder        KikaRz, Yes
18:19 OldCoder        KikaRz, feel free to paste the front and back to:
18:20 OldCoder        http://imgur.com/.
18:20 OldCoder        http://imgur.com/
18:20 OldCoder        *
18:20 OldCoder        They will give you a delete link
18:20 OldCoder        You can use it to delete afterward
18:20 OldCoder        Or you can upload a ZIP of the two images to:
18:20 OldCoder        http://sendspace.com/
18:20 OldCoder        That would be better
18:20 OldCoder        They will give you a delete link also
18:21 jordan4ibanez   Where are nekogloop's gates?
18:25 jordan4ibanez   In case anyone wants neko's gate mod https://dl.dropbox.com/s/gkrccqfeo9cjb5t/gates.zip?dl=1
18:32 Jordach_        oh damn
18:32 Jordach_        i look away for a single day and i have 200+ emails
18:54 KikaRz          hi Muadtralk
18:54 KikaRz          what are those gates?
18:54 KikaRz          hi Jordach
18:55 KikaRz          OldCoder
18:55 KikaRz          ill host in dropbox
18:58 KikaRz          OldCoder
18:58 KikaRz          https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_
18:59 KikaRz          they are transparent
18:59 KikaRz          see if that skins are good
19:01 KikaRz          dinning... CEREALS *_*
19:01 KikaRz          OldCoder
19:01 KikaRz          you've seen my images?
19:01 KikaRz          *my skin ?
19:02 jordan4ibanez   jordach_ server is up
19:02 Jordach_        fuuuuuu--- hamachi
19:02 jordan4ibanez   It's the fastest server there is, ask infinityproject 8]
19:03 KikaRz          what Jordach_ ?
19:03 PilzAdam        3D models are now officialy upstream!
19:03 KikaRz          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
19:03 KikaRz          hey
19:03 KikaRz          Pilz
19:03 KikaRz          What thing?
19:03 KikaRz          *what model?
19:03 KikaRz          the minecraft one?
19:03 jordan4ibanez   sfan5
19:04 jordan4ibanez   time to fire up your build pc
19:04 KikaRz          OLDCODEEEEEEER!
19:05 jordan4ibanez   Holy shit that's a lot of commit
19:05 jordan4ibanez   commits*
19:05 KikaRz          lol
19:05 KikaRz          PilzAdam
19:05 KikaRz          the model will be made of that form of minecraft? (like head in a place, body in other... legs...
19:05 Jordach_        yes
19:06 KikaRz          :D
19:06 KikaRz          ill use my 3D skin
19:06 Penguin         hi
19:06 KikaRz          https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_.
19:06 KikaRz          thats the 2D
19:06 KikaRz          Hi Penguin
19:07 * Jordach_      dances rapidly
19:07 jordan4ibanez   Finally
19:08 KikaRz          yea :D
19:09 Jordach_        jordan4ibanez - whats the minimal needed client
19:09 jordan4ibanez   0.4.3 stable for windows
19:09 KikaRz          Jordan4ibanez
19:09 KikaRz          you got a server?
19:09 KikaRz          i want to build *-*
19:09 jordan4ibanez   i have no idea what version that actually is, just 0.4.3
19:09 KikaRz          its 0.4.3
19:09 jordan4ibanez   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3822
19:10 KikaRz          LOVE HAMACHI
19:10 * Jordach_      is connecting
19:10 * KikaRz        is connecting too
19:10 Jordach_        minetest. y u crash
19:11 KikaRz          'cause your pc sucks
19:11 Jordach_        KikaRz - better than yours
19:11 KikaRz          and?
19:11 KikaRz          I knwo controlling my computer
19:11 KikaRz          you dont
19:11 Jordach_        it can handle REAL games
19:11 KikaRz          i can handle BEST games (the old ones.)
19:12 Jordach_        'tis debateable
19:12 KikaRz          uh...
19:12 KikaRz          jordan4ibanez wrote:
19:12 KikaRz          LandMine wrote:
19:12 KikaRz          jordan4ibanez wrote:
19:12 KikaRz          I need people to help me test this.
19:12 KikaRz          me :)
19:12 KikaRz          I have heard what you do to servers, no thank you
19:12 KikaRz          waaazzuuuuup everybody!!?!?!?!?!?! RedCrab your Server is AWESOME :D!
19:12 KikaRz          LOL
19:13 KikaRz          davidpace thinks that your server is from RedCrab
19:13 Jordach_        its called a signiture
19:13 * Jordach_      facepalms
19:13 KikaRz          Oh
19:13 KikaRz          its a signature
19:13 KikaRz          fail
19:14 KikaRz          jordan
19:14 KikaRz          port?
19:14 KikaRz          i got the ip
19:18 KikaRz          jordan4ibanez
19:18 KikaRz          port?
19:18 jordan4ibanez   it's hamachi lol
19:21 PilzAdam        who likes this new apple textures? https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest_game/commit/bb6b9d5868086de5eae446aaa761c9363bcb1f68
19:22 jordan4ibanez   It is better
19:22 OldCoder        Hi
19:22 OldCoder        Busy ATM
19:26 VanessaE        [11-25 14:26] <RealBadAngel> its ok
19:27 KikaRz          jordan4ibanez
19:27 KikaRz          PORT
19:28 KikaRz          30000 ?
19:28 jordan4ibanez   yes
19:28 KikaRz          you answered as:
19:28 KikaRz          <jordan4ibanez> it's hamachi lol
19:31 neko259         OldCoder: I managed to log in minetest.org with the standard client! It seems to be minetest issue that it crashes, not client's one :(
19:31 neko259         jordan4ibanez: Hi :3
19:31 jordan4ibanez   Hello, i have server now lol
19:31 neko259         Great!
19:31 neko259         Stable one?
19:35 MiJyn           hi jordan4ibanez!
19:36 jordan4ibanez   hi mijyn
19:36 jordan4ibanez   and yes nekogloop
19:36 KikaRz          server crash?
19:36 OldCoder        Hi
19:36 KikaRz          OldCoder
19:36 KikaRz          see my skin.
19:36 KikaRz          https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_.
19:36 jordan4ibanez   no, you are timing out because you are in germany
19:36 OldCoder        Dealing with a problem elsewhere but I look forward to this in a few minutes
19:36 KikaRz          No im not
19:36 KikaRz          Im in Portugal
19:37 jordan4ibanez   exactly lol
19:37 neko259         Does anyone know minetest debian repository for stable debians?
19:37 KikaRz          you re at USA?
19:38 jordan4ibanez   yes i am
19:38 KikaRz          what state?
19:38 jordan4ibanez   Guess
19:44 KikaRz          jordan4ibanez, impossibru to play for me D;
19:44 sfan5           jordan4ibanez: did you say something?
19:44 OldCoder        KikaRz, will review shortly
19:44 sokomine        neko: i didn't found a working debian package for minetest some month ago when i last searched. donloading the source and compiling it works fine
19:45 sokomine        takes only a couple of minutes to compile even on a not-so-recent machine...
19:46 sokomine        3d player went upstream? does that mean the "official" sources now include everything needed?
19:46 sokomine        and what happened to realbadangles server?
19:47 VanessaE        come on guys I need body count on the test server. :-)
19:47 VanessaE        sokomine: grab that update (and minetest_game) and sign on :-)
19:47 sokomine        hm :) do you have the new 3d-version installed? then you'd get another visit from me immediately :)
19:47 VanessaE        sfan5, OldCoder, jordan4ibanez, you too
19:47 OldCoder        k
19:47 OldCoder        VanessaE, today if possible
19:48 KikaRz          yea
19:48 KikaRz          what?
19:48 VanessaE        24.181.193.82 port 30001
19:48 KikaRz          that's not hamachi? o-o
19:48 VanessaE        FUCK NO.
19:48 KikaRz          '-'
19:49 VanessaE        hamachi?  DIAF. :-)
19:49 KikaRz          i said 'that's not hamachi' because its ip its almost equal
19:49 VanessaE        heh
19:49 KikaRz          what that server got?
19:49 KikaRz          3D Players?
19:49 KikaRz          we must have 3D players mod?
19:49 VanessaE        for now, entirely default, 3d players official upstream, and carts mod.
19:49 jordan4ibanez   sfan5, there is a new version with 3d players
19:49 VanessaE        I'll add a "shitload of mods" later, if others want.
19:49 KikaRz          but its loaded from server?
19:50 sokomine        ah, hm, the version from yesterday seems out of date?
19:50 VanessaE        but it'll take an ice age to load.
19:50 jordan4ibanez   could you compile it? 8)
19:50 sokomine        carts as well?
19:50 * sokomine      hops around happily
19:50 sfan5           jordan4ibanez: do you mean mirceakitsune/models ?
19:50 VanessaE        sokomine: grab the very latest git from about an hour ago.
19:50 jordan4ibanez   no, minetest itself
19:50 jordan4ibanez   it's pushed upstream
19:50 KikaRz          what version are you using at?
19:50 VanessaE        KikaRz: minetest master branch fetched less than an hour ago.
19:51 sfan5           ohhhhhhhh
19:51 KikaRz          omg
19:51 jordan4ibanez   YES :D
19:51 KikaRz          i cant compile it because im using windows
19:51 VanessaE        sowwy
19:52 sfan5           Win Build started! @jordan4ibanez @KikaRz
19:52 KikaRz          :D
19:52 KikaRz          thank you sfan5
19:52 KikaRz          :)
19:52 KikaRz          you so friendly
19:52 jordan4ibanez   :D thanks sfan55
19:52 KikaRz          VanessaE, you're evil :/
19:53 Doc22           'ello
19:53 KikaRz          ALERT
19:53 VanessaE        sorry, I only run Linux.  never touch windows.
19:53 KikaRz          CARTS MOD AND 3D PLAYERS ARE NOW OFFICIAL :D
19:53 Doc22           SRSLY?
19:53 Doc22           they are now on the update?
19:53 KikaRz          yep
19:54 Doc22           YUS
19:54 Doc22           SCHWEET
19:54 jordan4ibanez   Carts?
19:54 KikaRz          yes
19:54 jordan4ibanez   Link? ASDASDASGSSDF
19:54 PilzAdam        the attachment branch of carts works with upstream now
19:54 VanessaE        well, a forest fire doesn't seem to kill my server CPU any, that's a good sign
19:54 * sokomine      is compiling
19:54 KikaRz          and 3d players
19:55 jordan4ibanez   Pilzadam: Link?
19:57 KikaRz          sfan5, how much time left?
19:57 KikaRz          it'll support DIrect3D'
19:57 KikaRz          ?
19:58 sfan5           exactly 0 secs, yes
19:58 babyface1031    Doc22 me and Penguin have our finished skins you should come see
19:58 Doc22           oh cool
19:58 KikaRz          what skins?
19:58 PilzAdam        VanessaE, heres a link: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/39
19:58 KikaRz          2D?
19:58 sfan5           but minetest + direct3d = crap
19:58 KikaRz          i finished mine too
19:58 jordan4ibanez   These skins all work with minetest http://www.minecraftskins.com/
19:58 KikaRz          sfan5, i can play only with direct3d
19:58 sfan5           LATEST MINETEST BUILD: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-c8acc37-win32.7z
19:58 Doc22           wait so mine is done?
19:58 PilzAdam        jordan4ibanez, https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/tree/attachment
19:58 KikaRz          I've got 1 3d skin and 1 2d skin
19:59 jordan4ibanez   sfan5,after i test it can i post it on the forum? :3
19:59 sfan5           yes
19:59 KikaRz          sfan5
19:59 KikaRz          how will skins work?
19:59 sfan5           is there support for personal skins yet?
19:59 sfan5           dunno
19:59 KikaRz          i want my personal skin
19:59 KikaRz          *-*
19:59 KikaRz          its so beautiful
19:59 * sfan5         too
20:00 jordan4ibanez   Who wants to test it on my server? 8)
20:00 KikaRz          i dont.
20:00 KikaRz          your server is not hosted.
20:00 KikaRz          so, it lags
20:01 sfan5           dafuck?
20:01 jordan4ibanez   Lolwut, you're in portugal so it lags for you
20:01 sfan5           "your server is not hosted" every server has to be hosted or its not a server
20:02 sfan5           i'm going to join vanessae's server
20:02 KikaRz          sfan5
20:02 KikaRz          hosted = vps
20:02 VanessaE        you guys having fun griefing my server? :-)
20:02 KikaRz          vanessa
20:02 VanessaE        good thing it's a free-for-all :D
20:02 KikaRz          can you put there my skin?
20:02 KikaRz          its so beautiful :D
20:02 VanessaE        KikaRz: link?
20:03 KikaRz          2d or 3d?
20:03 jordan4ibanez   Vanessae, link?
20:03 KikaRz          with hat or without hat?
20:03 jordan4ibanez   WHAT IS YOUR SERVER DAMMIT
20:03 KikaRz          <VanessaE> 24.181.193.82 port 30001.
20:03 sfan5           <VanessaE> 24.181.193.82 port 30001
20:03 PilzAdam        24.181.193.82 port 30001
20:03 KikaRz          vanessaE
20:04 KikaRz          2d or 3D?
20:04 KikaRz          with hat or without hat?
20:04 Doc22           maybe my avatar should be an alien
20:04 Doc22           I live in roswell
20:04 VanessaE        3d.
20:04 KikaRz          With hat or without hat'
20:04 KikaRz          ?
20:05 Doc22           where can I find info on how to make skins
20:05 KikaRz          https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_
20:05 KikaRz          VanessaE, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_.
20:05 KikaRz          Doc22, use SkinCraft
20:06 VanessaE        bbiab, gotta run an errand.
20:06 VanessaE        KikaRz: msg that to me so I don't lose it.
20:06 KikaRz          VanessaE, link for 2D and 3D skin are there https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_.
20:07 marktraceur     Poll: Should I work on minetestmapper or mods, today? (please use my nick when responding)
20:07 sokomine        what mods would you be working on?
20:08 Jordach_        jordan4ibanez - is your server up
20:08 KikaRz          sfan5
20:08 KikaRz          NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
20:08 jordan4ibanez   jordach!!
20:08 jordan4ibanez   ttry latest
20:08 sfan5           VanessaE: how to make skins for minetest?
20:08 KikaRz          :'(
20:08 KikaRz          use 2DCraft
20:08 KikaRz          and compile me the dll with direct3d
20:09 KikaRz          :(
20:09 jin_xi          marctraceur: you aware of mireq's c++ mapper?
20:09 sfan5           KikaRz: use opengl
20:09 KikaRz          I CANT!
20:09 KikaRz          NON SUPPORTED!
20:10 KikaRz          pleaaaseee
20:10 sfan5           you don't have opengl?
20:10 Jordach_        you cant compile non foss on a foss os
20:10 sfan5           ^
20:10 Jordach_        (such as d3d)
20:10 sfan5           VanessaE: how to make skins for minetest?
20:10 KikaRz          sfan5, my graphics card dont work with opengl
20:10 KikaRz          everything keeps white
20:10 KikaRz          and i cant play games with opengl
20:10 KikaRz          just with direct3d
20:11 sfan5           i can't compile direct3d in because i'm on linux
20:11 KikaRz          yes you can
20:11 sfan5           you need to compile for yourself
20:11 sfan5           sorry
20:11 sfan5           VanessaE: how to make skins for minetest?
20:11 KikaRz          HOW I COMPILE IN WINDOWS?
20:11 KikaRz          SFAN5, USE SKINCRAFT!
20:12 sokomine        same as for minecraft afaik. just rename the file
20:12 sfan5           KikaRz: a skin in minecraft format
20:12 sfan5           ?
20:12 KikaRz          yes
20:12 KikaRz          look \games\minetest_game\default\textures
20:12 sfan5           KikaRz: https://raw.github.com/celeron55/minetest/master/README.txt
20:12 sokomine        afaik it uses the same format so that players can use the same skin on both minecraft and minetest. just the filename's diffrent
20:13 KikaRz          yep
20:13 KikaRz          Fail
20:13 KikaRz          not textures
20:13 KikaRz          but yes models
20:14 Jordach_        <sokomine> afaik it uses the same format so that players can use the same skin on both minecraft and minetest. just the filename's diffrent - incorrect sokomine - in fact the hat section of the skin is not loaded onto the model
20:15 marktraceur     jin_xi: No, VanessaE said someone had ported it but she couldn't remember who. Is there a pull request?
20:15 bulletrulz      hi
20:15 KikaRz          Im fucked up.
20:15 marktraceur     sokomine: I'm planning on finishing the Factory mod, which will bring a bunch of other craftitems with it
20:15 KikaRz          reason: my computer will take a lot of tiem to compile
20:15 marktraceur     bulletrulz: Hi!
20:16 KikaRz          VanessaE
20:16 KikaRz          can you give me the github link?
20:16 KikaRz          to download the files to compile?
20:17 Guest58731      I cannot compile on Slacko Puppy Linux 5.3.1
20:17 KikaRz          yep
20:17 KikaRz          i've tried too
20:17 KikaRz          What's better: MinGW or Visual Studio?
20:18 Doc22           ok thanks KikaRz
20:18 Doc22           just had to eat lunch
20:18 KikaRz          no problem
20:20 Doc22           wait so it supports hats?
20:20 marktraceur     jin_xi: Ping, where is that C++ mapper port?
20:21 sfan5           VanessaE: hello?
20:22 KikaRz          guys
20:22 sfan5           VanessaE: hello?
20:22 KikaRz          who got the minetest_game?
20:25 KikaRz          who can give me minetest_game ?
20:26 PilzAdam        bye
20:26 ruskie          grab it from the download pages/github
20:26 KikaRz          ...
20:26 KikaRz          link
20:26 ruskie          search it it's not impossible
20:26 KikaRz          ...
20:26 KikaRz          GIVE ME
20:27 * ruskie        hands KikaRz a banana without the pin and runs far far away...
20:27 KikaRz          stfu.
20:27 KikaRz          marktraceur, can you give me the link of the github minetest_game with player 3d and carts?
20:28 marktraceur     KikaRz: I don't have it
20:28 KikaRz          Doc22 ?
20:28 Doc22           yes
20:28 marktraceur     KikaRz: At some point, you searching for it is much easier.
20:28 KikaRz          i cant
20:28 marktraceur     KikaRz: Because....?
20:28 KikaRz          pc laggy.
20:30 marktraceur     KikaRz: So laggy that you can't open a web browser?
20:30 KikaRz          well
20:30 KikaRz          wrong.
20:30 KikaRz          so laggy that i cant open github page
20:30 sokomine        ah.w ell. hat section...the only time i found that intresting was when i was trying to find out if more could be made with minecraft players. didn't seem that easy. mostly i wanted cars...and npc...
20:30 marktraceur     KikaRz: Then the link won't help you anyway!
20:31 KikaRz          yes it does
20:31 marktraceur     KikaRz: How's this: Close some running processes, and you might be able to search for it.
20:31 KikaRz          ....
20:31 KikaRz          cant
20:31 KikaRz          im with the compilers on
20:31 KikaRz          to compile the minetest_game updated
20:34 marktraceur     KikaRz: Then wait until....wait, what? You don't need to compile minetest_game.
20:34 KikaRz          Yes i need
20:34 KikaRz          Reason: The new testing version
20:34 marktraceur     KikaRz: No, Lua never needs to be compiled.
20:34 KikaRz          (that one that got carts and 3d players)
20:34 KikaRz          yes it does
20:34 KikaRz          not the lua but yes game engine
20:34 jordan4ibanez   That was really really nice
20:34 KikaRz          REASON: It changes game protocol
20:34 marktraceur     KikaRz: Game engine !== minetest_game
20:34 KikaRz          ...
20:34 jordan4ibanez   sfan5 can i have a link to that build again?
20:34 KikaRz          ...
20:35 marktraceur     KikaRz: minetest_game is the Lua parts, you're compiling the C++ parts.
20:35 Taoki           OldCoder: If you haven't heard already, the 3D players have been merged upstream in MineTest :)
20:35 Taoki           Telling you so you can also add them to your fork
20:35 KikaRz          he already
20:35 marktraceur     KikaRz: OK, so wait until after the compile is done to search.
20:35 Taoki           There's just a small problem with the death animation, but the rest works well
20:35 KikaRz          stop blipping me.
20:35 OldCoder        Hi
20:35 KikaRz          Taoki
20:35 Taoki           ah, ok
20:35 KikaRz          give me the link to the thing
20:35 marktraceur     KikaRz: No. You want something, you're going to get highlighted in IRC.
20:35 OldCoder        Taoki, Hi. I can't use upstream. It does not have LevelDB.
20:35 KikaRz          stop blippign me
20:35 OldCoder        But In the future it will
20:36 jordan4ibanez   nevermind
20:36 marktraceur     KikaRz: Turn off notifications if it's that bad, or here's an idea, take a walk while the game compiles
20:36 KikaRz          stop blipping me... (last warning)
20:36 Taoki           OldCoder: ok. Just the models code then... it is ready and working. Would be nice to see it on europe.minetest.org
20:36 KikaRz          STOP THE FUCKING BLIPPING ME!!!!!!
20:36 KikaRz          * Recebeu um CTCP VERSION de marktraceur = ?
20:37 marktraceur     Huh, it didn't respond
20:37 KikaRz          Received a CTCP VERSION from marktraceur
20:37 KikaRz          that's ?
20:37 marktraceur     Oh, there it is
20:37 sokomine        well, death animation is less important. no need to kill each other :-)
20:37 KikaRz          CTCP VERSION = ?
20:37 marktraceur     KikaRz: It's a way for me to figure out your client version without asking you
20:37 OldCoder        Taoki, can you provide a patch?
20:37 OldCoder        A diff?
20:37 KikaRz          its XCHAT 2
20:37 KikaRz          OldCoder, who can provide me that thing
20:38 Taoki           OldCoder: Not sure, I'll try to generate one from git if I can
20:38 KikaRz          i want a direct3d dll compile.
20:38 OldCoder        KikaRz, use HexChat
20:38 OldCoder        http://hexchat.org/
20:38 KikaRz          Stop blipping me please.
20:38 OldCoder        Who is blipping who?
20:38 KikaRz          when you say my name
20:38 KikaRz          it appears re
20:38 KikaRz          *red
20:38 KikaRz          and blips me
20:38 KikaRz          thats annoying
20:38 KikaRz          who can give me the new git?
20:39 sokomine        oldcoder: how extensive are the changes to allow leveldb to be used? perhaps it would be easier to apply a leveldb-patch to the new version
20:39 marktraceur     KikaRz: Settings > Preferences > Chatting > Alerts. Uncheck all the checkboxes.
20:39 KikaRz          marktraceur, no menus.
20:39 marktraceur     KikaRz: What? None?
20:39 KikaRz          yep
20:39 KikaRz          its simple.
20:39 KikaRz          OldCOder, can you give me the git???
20:40 marktraceur     KikaRz: Yeah, use a different client....I've heard good things about Quassel
20:40 KikaRz          No i'm not going to change
20:40 KikaRz          i prefer this
20:40 KikaRz          and stop blipping me
20:40 KikaRz          i'm tired.
20:40 OldCoder        KikaRz, the git?
20:40 KikaRz          the windows xp sounds are a bit annoying
20:40 KikaRz          yes
20:40 marktraceur     KikaRz: Except that you can't stand the notification feature, and people aren't going to stop highlighting you
20:40 KikaRz          the new protocol
20:40 OldCoder        For what?
20:40 KikaRz          that thing that got carts
20:40 OldCoder        network protocol for MT?
20:40 KikaRz          and 3d players
20:40 OldCoder        Oh...
20:41 KikaRz          ... carts and 3d players
20:41 marktraceur     KikaRz: Why not turn down the sound on your computer speakers?
20:41 OldCoder        I have not merged it yet
20:41 KikaRz          marktraceur, arent speakers
20:41 jordan4ibanez   Kikarz, turn down your volume lol
20:41 KikaRz          but yes...
20:41 KikaRz          HEADPHONES WITH MUSIC PLAYING!
20:41 KikaRz          and thats annoying to listen music!!!!!!!11
20:42 marktraceur     KikaRz: And there are absolutely no menus in your IRC client? Because I opened XChat and immediately saw menus. Can you screenshot your client, maybe?
20:42 KikaRz          marktraceur, this is different
20:42 OldCoder        Sounds can be turned off
20:42 KikaRz          ... Im playing music.
20:43 marktraceur     KikaRz: He means in the menus. What's different?
20:43 KikaRz          stop talking about my irc program
20:43 KikaRz          and give me the git
20:43 KikaRz          3 minutes only.
20:43 OldCoder        KikaRz, the git for what? I don't have it
20:43 marktraceur     KikaRz: You're clearly bothered by the IRC settings, I'm trying to help.
20:44 KikaRz          THAT ONE THAT GOT CARTS AND 3D PLAYER
20:44 OldCoder        I don't have it
20:44 * KikaRz        ignored marktraceur. Reason: shut up with my irc program!
20:44 * OldCoder      shrugs
20:44 OldCoder        marktraceur, you did try to help
20:44 marktraceur     That's true.
20:44 marktraceur     KikaRz: Sorry to hear that you don't want help, ta.
20:44 KikaRz          oldcoder
20:45 KikaRz          what he said?
20:45 KikaRz          VanessaE, can you pass me the git with 3D players ? or sfan5 ?
20:46 sokomine        oh, well, i tried to help kikarz as well and only got insulted. doesn't sound like any of you is really more successful?
20:46 marktraceur     sokomine: No, KikaRz is seemingly only interested in yelling at people to get what she wants
20:46 sfan5           VanessaE: hello?
20:46 Muadtralk       kikarz you want the links yes?
20:46 KikaRz          Yes.
20:47 sokomine        ah. well. i'm glad there's igno :-)
20:47 KikaRz          sokomine, first: You didnt helped. You was like a robot telling stupid things (things that i knew)
20:47 Muadtralk       https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/
20:47 * KikaRz        unignored marktraceur.
20:47 marktraceur     Ha, hilarious. Hi, KikaRz!
20:48 KikaRz          ...
20:48 KikaRz          muadtralk
20:48 KikaRz          what i use?
20:48 Muadtralk       https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/tree/attachment
20:48 KikaRz          minetest, minetest-game or minetest-delta (maybe not)
20:48 Jordach_        KikaRz - if youre going to shout and scream at people, its wisest not being here
20:48 Muadtralk       minetest-delta?
20:48 KikaRz          muadtralk, there is already a public test github
20:49 KikaRz          of Carts, 3d players etc
20:49 KikaRz          for testing
20:49 Muadtralk       you wanted the git yes?
20:49 Muadtralk       what better place to find it then github XD
20:49 marktraceur     KikaRz: Especially if you want help, you are not served by talking IN ALL CAPS or swearing at people trying to help.
20:49 KikaRz          marktraceur, you are just blipping me
20:49 KikaRz          marktraceur, you like this too?
20:50 sfan5           VanessaE: hello?
20:50 KikaRz          marktraceur, you believe that is annoying
20:50 KikaRz          marktraceur, are you there?
20:50 KikaRz          thats what i hate
20:50 marktraceur     KikaRz: No, because I've edited my settings to work for me. So it's not annoying when people highlight me.
20:50 KikaRz          ... you disabled sounds
20:50 Jordach_        no he did not
20:51 Jordach_        he turned off any notifications so no popups, et al
20:51 KikaRz          you use irssi, ok.
20:51 KikaRz          Jordach, your irc got menus?
20:51 Muadtralk       whats the issue with IRC clients?
20:51 Muadtralk       i thought kikarz wished for git of something
20:51 marktraceur     KikaRz: Actually, I have popups and no sound, enabled via an SSH tunnel.
20:51 Jordach_        s/IRC clients?/everything
20:52 KikaRz          Jordach, you got the same version as i. but more GHz in your Pentium 4 XD
20:52 KikaRz          -Jordach_- VERSION xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/3.07GHz]
20:52 KikaRz          -KikaRz- VERSION xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/1,50GHz]
20:53 marktraceur     KikaRz: Actually, it's preferable (for me at least) to be highlighted on every message meant for me. It means I can watch the conversation without being in the window
20:55 VanessaE        I'm back.  yay,
20:55 KikaRz          vnessa
20:55 KikaRz          can you give me the git of that thing?
20:55 * marktraceur   giggles, watches
20:55 KikaRz          i want to compile myself in direct3d
20:56 Muadtralk       i gave you the ruddy links!
20:56 KikaRz          muad not that
20:56 VanessaE        KikaRz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest  and  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
20:56 VanessaE        that is, the usual repos
20:56 KikaRz          they are updated to that test version?
20:56 KikaRz          i want the test version
20:56 VanessaE        yes
20:57 VanessaE        the latest git has the 3d players code as default.
20:57 KikaRz          ok
20:58 VanessaE        this is a non-permanent free-for-all server, so I don't care about griefing :-)
20:58 KikaRz          nom nom nom... love chocolate...
20:58 KikaRz          want a little vanessa?
20:58 KikaRz          or you are making diet?
20:58 VanessaE        no thanks.
20:58 sfan5           VanessaE: do minecraft skins with hats work for the models?
20:58 VanessaE        I can't have large amounts of sugar
20:59 VanessaE        sfan5: yes.
20:59 VanessaE        toh wait. with hats?
20:59 VanessaE        um
20:59 VanessaE        I dunno :-)
20:59 VanessaE        Taoki: how about that?
20:59 KikaRz          vanessa
20:59 sokomine        someone said hats didn't work?
20:59 KikaRz          i must give you the updated one!
20:59 Jordach_        twas me
20:59 Jordach_        i tested this
20:59 sokomine        ah, ok
20:59 KikaRz          with hat (headphones
20:59 Taoki           sfan5: Hats? No, sadly not that part
20:59 sfan5           :(
20:59 Jordach_        KikaRz - and hat layer will not be displayed ingame
21:00 VanessaE        KikaRz: sorry, I don't much like that model :-/
21:00 Taoki           Can be added to the model, but maybe once armor will be in
21:00 KikaRz          :(
21:00 Jordach_        so that 3d effect wont appear
21:00 KikaRz          but i want to use it
21:00 Jordach_        you cant.
21:00 Taoki           Hats and wearables would be better off as attached entities
21:00 KikaRz          vanessae
21:00 KikaRz          can i use it?
21:00 VanessaE        but if it were a little more finished, blended, I could add it whenever Taoki is ready to give us proper gender-oriented models.
21:00 VanessaE        it would make for a good female one.
21:00 KikaRz          whyy ?
21:00 KikaRz          :/
21:00 VanessaE        KikaRz: sure, put it in your regular textures in your client.  no need to install it to the server.
21:00 KikaRz          oh... that boobies thing
21:01 KikaRz          ups...
21:01 jin_xi          marktraceur: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2896
21:01 KikaRz          there are kids in the channel
21:01 KikaRz          xd
21:01 VanessaE        KikaRz: no, it's grainy, blocky;.
21:01 Taoki           VanessaE: Someone needs to script a player selector, which should be easy for someone who knows
21:01 KikaRz          kidding
21:01 VanessaE        it needs smoothing.
21:01 VanessaE        Taoki: right.
21:01 KikaRz          but vanessa
21:01 KikaRz          the celeron github is updated with that version?
21:01 Jordach_        for gods sakes read this http://notch.tumblr.com/post/28188312756/gender-in-minecraft
21:01 VanessaE        yes.
21:02 marktraceur     jin_xi: Why is it in a separate repo? Shouldn't it be added to the minetest core code, and built with it? Not to mention using its libraries?
21:02 VanessaE        who cares about minecraft.
21:02 KikaRz          LOVED THAT PHRASE
21:02 KikaRz          Also, as a fun side fact, it means every character and animal in Minecraft is homosexual because there’s only one gender to choose from. Take THAT, homophobes!
21:02 KikaRz          TAKE THAT HOMOPHOBES
21:02 KikaRz          xd
21:02 Jordach_        im talking about gender here
21:02 Jordach_        if you weight something one side others will moan its not the same
21:02 KikaRz          it means every character and animal in Minecraft is homosexual because there’s only one gender to choose from.
21:02 KikaRz          xd
21:03 VanessaE        Jordach_: and I'm talking about, really, just letting the player choose what model he or she shall look like to everyone else.
21:03 KikaRz          laughing
21:03 marktraceur     KikaRz: Yes, we heard you, hilarious
21:03 VanessaE        two - male and female - are the simplest step to lead to that
21:03 Jordach_        <VanessaE> Jordach_: and I'm talking about, really, just letting the player choose what model he or she shall look like to everyone else. - and thus problems will arrive because players wont know how to change such things
21:03 KikaRz          marktraceur, how did you heard? i just typed.
21:03 jin_xi          marktraceur: idk
21:03 VanessaE        if they're too dumb to figure that out, then let them have whatever the default is.
21:03 VanessaE        surely there will be a proper interface to it some time.
21:04 marktraceur     jin_xi: mireq doesn't appear to be around here, are they ever?
21:04 Taoki           I agree with a gender selector, but first we need a player selection system from the menu
21:04 Jordach_        VanessaE - oh yes, i want something that can be interpreted as anything
21:04 Taoki           I suggest a craftable item for that. Wordrobe or something
21:04 Jordach_        s/Wordrobe/Wardrobe
21:04 Taoki           Which will give a model / texture selection menu when right clicked
21:04 sfan5           ^ good idea
21:04 Jordach_        or just a clothing chest
21:04 KikaRz          i just can use 1.7.3 ? http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/downloads/
21:04 Jordach_        (which is a normal chest)
21:04 Taoki           Since just opening the menu with esc / i is boring. Better make it part of gameplay
21:05 Jordach_        Taoki - big big big problem
21:05 Taoki           what's a problem?
21:05 Jordach_        youre a girl and you start as a dude
21:05 Jordach_        there a huge hold in that bucket
21:05 Jordach_        hole*
21:06 sokomine        would it be possible to make that nodebox-collection i wrote as a player model for pilzadams 3dplayer into a model as well?
21:06 Taoki           I dunno then. Starting skin can be randomized or something... dunno for now
21:07 sokomine        most players will be very happy with the mc-skins
21:07 jin_xi          marktraceur: no
21:07 Taoki           MineCraft has a male player too by default. You have to upload a new skin to your account to change it
21:07 Jordach_        Taoki - thats the best solution
21:07 KikaRz          its steve.
21:07 marktraceur     Jeez, that's not helpful.
21:07 Jordach_        people can be who they wish to be
21:07 Muadtralk       we could put up a gender neutral one for everyone?
21:07 marktraceur     jin_xi: Well, apart from *using* that version, I guess I'll leave the mapper alone. Thanks.
21:07 NakedFury       just add 2 small 2 x 2 pixel big boxes to the 3d player models chest for female players
21:08 jin_xi          marktraceur: just thougt you wanted to know there is one before you start writing yours *shrug*
21:08 marktraceur     jin_xi: No, it seems better to use the existing solution is all :)
21:09 jordan4ibanez   meep
21:09 Jordach_        meep
21:09 Muadtralk       peem
21:10 Jordach_        i like to be different - im Mr. Monopoly! http://i.imgur.com/UqMeO.png
21:10 Muadtralk       you discovered my secret identity!
21:11 Jordach_        (i crossed the current design with the old one)
21:11 Jordach_        anyways, im heading off to bed
21:11 Jordach_        as a quick note: i will more than likely be using the webchat due to me not being able to access my pc
21:11 Jordach_        (on a ipad, no not colluwquay, tis expensive)
21:12 Jordach_        night all
21:12 sokomine        any ideas why the chat isn't shown on the new mt version with the models in? i can only read it when i press f10
21:12 marktraceur     sokomine: Did you hit F2?
21:12 VanessaE        I see it fine here, sokomine
21:12 Muadtralk       so do I
21:12 marktraceur     sokomine: F2 show/hide chat
21:12 Muadtralk       you sure you haven't hit F2?
21:13 sokomine        makrtraceur: thanks! that was it. must have accidently hit it
21:13 sokomine        now everything's fine again .-)
21:14 jordan4ibanez   Where is the latest carts?
21:14 Muadtralk       https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/tree/attachment
21:14 KikaRz          *are
21:14 jordan4ibanez   Now i can finally make carts into trains through entity linkage ^^
21:14 KikaRz          VanessaE, you sure that the latest git is with 3d players and carts?
21:14 VanessaE        yup
21:14 VanessaE        I'm playing on it now
21:15 Muadtralk       no carts by default!
21:15 Muadtralk       please no!
21:15 KikaRz          muadtralk
21:15 KikaRz          this is up.... !
21:15 KikaRz          so, it can be a future update
21:15 KikaRz          carts *-*
21:15 VanessaE        Muadtralk: why not?
21:15 jordan4ibanez   Maudtralk they are actually very nice
21:15 KikaRz          VanessaE
21:15 KikaRz          will you shut down the server?
21:15 Muadtralk       lag they always lag
21:15 KikaRz          please, dont
21:15 KikaRz          :(
21:15 jordan4ibanez   Even by my standards
21:15 VanessaE        this test server has carts, but they are not part of minetest_game, they're just a mod.
21:16 KikaRz          oh
21:16 KikaRz          ok
21:16 KikaRz          but you cant shutdown the server until i be there?
21:16 KikaRz          want to test really much
21:16 KikaRz          *-*
21:16 VanessaE        I'll keep it online for a while yet, but it's a free-for-all server so don't expect anything you build to survive :-)
21:17 KikaRz          MinGW / Gcc takes a lot to download updated version
21:17 VanessaE        never used mingw, good luck with it :-)
21:18 KikaRz          so
21:18 KikaRz          u used what
21:18 KikaRz          to compile?
21:18 KikaRz          i want a version with direct3d
21:18 VanessaE        I use Linux, so I just built from the command line in the usual manner
21:18 KikaRz          but nobody have
21:18 VanessaE        linux comes with the tools necessary to compile software, makes it almost trivial.
21:18 Muadtralk       with windows visual studio is the way to go
21:18 KikaRz          ... link to download
21:18 KikaRz          i dont want 2012 (windows 8 like)
21:19 Muadtralk       visual studio isnt free :|
21:19 KikaRz          ...
21:19 KikaRz          <Muadtralk> with windows visual studio is the way to go
21:19 KikaRz          so, why you talked me on it»?
21:19 VanessaE        maybe sfan5|OFF can build it for you?  he does win builds.
21:19 Muadtralk       cause its true
21:19 Muadtralk       visual studio is good for compiling windows builds
21:19 KikaRz          Vanessa
21:19 Muadtralk       i never said it was free
21:20 KikaRz          just with OpenGL
21:20 KikaRz          not Direct3D.
21:20 VanessaE        well opengl works better for most people.
21:20 KikaRz          for me dont
21:20 KikaRz          my graphics card dont support
21:21 VanessaE        all graphics cards support opengl.
21:21 VanessaE        it's the driver that may be at issue.
21:21 KikaRz          no they dont
21:21 KikaRz          the old ones dont
21:21 VanessaE        um, yes.  they do.
21:21 KikaRz          ...
21:21 KikaRz          in LINUX
21:21 KikaRz          not WINDOWS
21:22 VanessaE        even the old ones do - it's a DRIVER thing, not a hardware thing.
21:22 jordan4ibanez   Actually it is a hardware thing
21:22 KikaRz          so, Tell NVidia to make new drivers for windows
21:22 jordan4ibanez   My old mx400 didn't support opengl
21:22 VanessaE        HAY, my mipmap etc. stuff doesn't work anymore in the latest git! :(
21:22 jordan4ibanez   Back when i had a p2 ^^
21:22 KikaRz          jordan4ibanez
21:22 KikaRz          lets talk a little bit
21:22 KikaRz          I got a NViDia GeForce 2 MX/MX 400
21:22 jordan4ibanez   Okay we've already made process
21:23 KikaRz          your graphics card was that?
21:23 jordan4ibanez   Yes, i had agp 1x
21:24 KikaRz          minetest_game-master needs to be compiled?
21:24 KikaRz          or just copy paste in the foldeR'
21:24 KikaRz          ?
21:24 jordan4ibanez   Pasted lol
21:24 jordan4ibanez   rename it minetest
21:26 KikaRz          hey
21:26 KikaRz          i can use borland?
21:27 KikaRz          i got borland
21:28 KikaRz          VanessaE
21:28 KikaRz          got a problem
21:29 VanessaE        kika stop pasting!
21:30 KikaRz          im not pasting
21:30 KikaRz          your net is lagged
21:30 KikaRz          i just pasted a debug
21:30 jordan4ibanez   https://github.com/jachoo/minetest-jachoo/commit/e982d5938570602f1959275c867cd894b2744fb8
21:30 KikaRz          23 lines
21:30 KikaRz          who's jachoo?
21:45 KikaRz          Nobody cant make me a windows version with direct3d support?
21:47 jordan4ibanez   Is this new version 0.4.4?
21:47 KikaRz          Maybe.
21:47 KikaRz          or 0.4.3.1
21:47 KikaRz          xd
21:48 KikaRz          that was a stupid version... 0.4.3.1
21:48 KikaRz          xd
21:48 KikaRz          or 0.4.3.2
21:51 khonkhortisan   warning: do not use "setxkbmap -option shift:both_capslock". It will cause the shift key release signal to be lost.
21:52 KikaRz          lol
21:52 KikaRz          im very sad
21:52 KikaRz          :(
21:52 khonkhortisan   make your own game and you won't be.
21:53 KikaRz          shut up.
21:53 khonkhortisan   I have some 3d cubes and a moving camera and it responds to keyboard, in 366 lines of code, using opengl and glut. The camera doesn't move the right way, though.
21:53 marktraceur     HOLY CRAP
21:53 marktraceur     C++ mapper is SO FAST.
21:54 marktraceur     Oh, well it cut off big parts of the map, no wonder
21:54 khonkhortisan   cheater!
22:00 jordan4ibanez   VanessaE what version of minecarts were you using?
22:01 jordan4ibanez   The one I'm using still has a very glitchy movement
22:01 VanessaE        jordan4ibanez: pulled from pilzadam's upstream a few hours ago, "attachment" branch.
22:01 jordan4ibanez   Can you link me to it please?
22:01 VanessaE        this one, I believe:  https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts
22:01 VanessaE        https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/tree/attachment
22:01 VanessaE        specifically, that one.
22:02 Muadtralk       i already gave that link!
22:02 marktraceur     I'm confused as to how this happened.
22:02 marktraceur     http://games.libreplanet.org/minetest/maps/current.png
22:02 OldCoder        VanessaE, can you PM?
22:03 Uberi           did someone say attachment branch? :P
22:03 VanessaE        brb
22:06 KikaRz          VanessaE
22:06 KikaRz          give me the server
22:07 Dpc22           whoops
22:07 Doc22           lol
22:07 KikaRz          fail ;P
22:07 Doc22           XD
22:07 Doc22           stupid typos...
22:09 KikaRz          VanessaE, will that version work tomorrow?
22:10 VanessaE        back.
22:10 VanessaE        what version?
22:11 KikaRz          that one with 3d players
22:11 KikaRz          and carts
22:11 KikaRz          going to enter with opengl (itll lag my pc a LOT)
22:11 Doc22           that way minecarts will have use lol
22:11 VanessaE        24.181.193.82 port 30001
22:11 Doc22           minetracks*
22:11 Uberi           hey VanessaE, that new apple image looks great
22:11 VanessaE        remember this is not permanent.  I do not know how long I will keep that server running.
22:11 VanessaE        Uberi: thanks :-)
22:12 KikaRz          VanessaE
22:12 KikaRz          by this way... my game is not going to join server too faster.
22:13 babyface1031    hi Doc22
22:13 KikaRz          Media downloading too slowly because im downloading a torrent
22:13 Doc22           hey babyface
22:13 KikaRz          Vanessa, can you send me screenshots?
22:13 Doc22           im on a different pc and i cant play now
22:14 VanessaE        sure I'll make a screenshot in a sec.
22:16 VanessaE        http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_967028062.png
22:18 jordan4ibanez   What was that new function that taoki added in?
22:18 KikaRz          carts?
22:18 Taoki           jordan4ibanez: which one?
22:18 jordan4ibanez   it should be added into this page ^^ http://api.minetest.net/method/index.html
22:18 jordan4ibanez   The mounting players to entities
22:19 VanessaE        attachments.
22:19 KikaRz          lol
22:19 jordan4ibanez   Or all of them actually
22:19 KikaRz          Vanessa
22:19 KikaRz          and RealBadAngel
22:19 KikaRz          can you 2 take a screenshot into the cart?
22:19 VanessaE        I think he's AFK
22:20 jordan4ibanez   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wta7K7hG__I&feature=plcp
22:20 VanessaE        shutting the server down for some updates.
22:20 KikaRz          or someone on it?
22:21 KikaRz          joaoadriano3 subscribed to channel 313hummer
22:21 jordan4ibanez   How does 3dplayer actually work?
22:22 NakedFury       whats new in minetest?
22:22 jordan4ibanez   A lot
22:22 jordan4ibanez   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wta7K7hG__I&feature=plcp
22:22 Uberi           oh neat I need to watch that
22:23 VanessaE        and the server's back, now featureing A Shitload Of Mods â„¢
22:23 VanessaE        oops, wait.
22:23 VanessaE        forgot to update carts.
22:23 NakedFury       maybe try /time 6000 before making a video?
22:24 Uberi           3D models landed in MT! https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/compare/e02b95741b...3d1c481f0b
22:24 jordan4ibanez   I did that on vanessa's server
22:24 Uberi           also rba's patch thing
22:24 KikaRz          guys
22:24 KikaRz          going out
22:24 Uberi           this is going to be huge
22:25 KikaRz          bye
22:25 VanessaE        there.  server's up, carts *just* fetched from git (attachment branch).
22:25 KikaRz          going out
22:25 KikaRz          kisses
22:25 KikaRz          <3
22:25 * KikaRz        KikaRz-sleeping
22:25 KikaRz          ups
22:26 KikaRz-sleeping if want something, leave a message in PM
22:29 jordan4ibanez   WE GET IT
22:34 KikaRz-sleeping Muadtralk, 81.5 %
22:34 KikaRz-sleeping now, going out. tomorrow ill install it and compile it.
22:34 KikaRz-sleeping kisses everyone!
22:34 KikaRz-sleeping continuing away...
22:36 VanessaE        jin_xi: are you experiencing high amounts of lag right now
22:36 VanessaE        ?
22:36 sokomine        taoki: that minecraft-like dropping of digged stuff to the ground is rather annoying i think. maybe it's diffrent for people who played mc in the non-classic mode before mt...
22:37 VanessaE        sokomine: that's a mod.
22:37 VanessaE        I'll remove it.
22:37 sokomine        vanessa: i wasn't able to connect to your server right now. timed out while trying to get the media data
22:37 VanessaE        I shut it off while I sort out a problrem.
22:37 sokomine        taoki wrote like it ought to be part of the main game?
22:38 VanessaE        guys, I need to reset the world.
22:38 khonkhortisan   It's one solution to the loss of materials when digging with a full inventory
22:38 jin_xi          lolwut, just joined, then shutdown
22:38 Uberi           hey, which server is that? does it have Mesecons?
22:38 Doc22           its a test server for the new stuff
22:38 VanessaE        jin_xi: sorry, I'm working on it.
22:38 Uberi           ah
22:38 Doc22           24.181.193.82 port 30001
22:39 jin_xi          lol no prob im off to bed anyway.
22:39 Uberi           needs latest git, I assume?
22:39 Doc22           VanessaE?
22:39 Doc22           uberi needs to know
22:39 Doc22           i wouldnt know that lol
22:39 Doc22           if it is just lua or what
22:39 Uberi           it does from what I can tell
22:39 Uberi           they bumped up the protocol version today
22:40 VanessaE        it does need latest git yes.
22:41 Doc22           VanessaE maybe you can answer this
22:41 VanessaE        server is back up btw.
22:41 Uberi           hmm, can't boot into Ubuntu right now, so I'll pass :)
22:42 Doc22           what does the engine do if a lua function calls node change in an unloaded/ungenerated area
22:42 Uberi           it's a no-op
22:42 VanessaE        it throws a "content ignore" error
22:42 Uberi           well it shows an error
22:42 VanessaE        but it doesn't crash or anything
22:42 Uberi           but otherwise a no-op
22:42 Doc22           then how does it change it when the chunk is loaded
22:43 Uberi           it doesn't
22:43 Uberi           you need to change it when it's loaded
22:43 Doc22           what if there is an ore and it needs to generate into the next chunk as a vein
22:43 Doc22           so it just slices it
22:43 Doc22           and doesnt change the next chunk
22:43 Doc22           ?
22:43 Uberi           well, yeah
22:44 Uberi           but you can use perlin noise here
22:44 Doc22           maybe there could be a queue for blocks that need to be added
22:44 VanessaE        server restart again, resetting the spawn point to somewhere more reasonable.
22:44 Doc22           so that whenever a chunk is generated
22:44 Doc22           it checks if any of the blocks in the queue are inside itself
22:44 Uberi           I had a feature request open for manual chunk loading, but that sounds good too
22:44 Doc22           ok
22:44 Uberi           though not very efficient
22:44 Doc22           yeah
22:45 Doc22           manual chunk loading would be good for a server where the world needed to be regenerated with a different seed
22:45 Doc22           without stopping it
22:45 Doc22           for instance, my hunger game mod
22:45 Doc22           it would be useful
22:45 Doc22           if not a neccesity
22:46 Doc22           the reason it would be a queue
22:46 Doc22           is that if iron generated into the next chunk
22:46 Doc22           then that chunk might have coal
22:46 Doc22           so it loads more chunks
22:46 Doc22           that have more minerals
22:47 Doc22           and it goes on until you hit a chunk without any minerals
22:47 Doc22           so that is my reason for a queue
22:48 Doc22           it would possibly generate the whole map at once if you did it the other way
22:48 VanessaE        ok guys, server's back up and stablized.  world reset.  spawn point moved.  Enjoy.
22:48 Doc22           there is still one problem
22:48 Doc22           if you generate chunk a before chunk be
22:48 Doc22           b*
22:48 VanessaE        stupid 3dforniture and vines mods just absolutely KILL my performance.
22:48 Doc22           lo
22:48 Doc22           lol
22:49 Doc22           then chunk b might have ore that generates into a
22:49 Doc22           so it changes it after it was generated
22:49 Doc22           that wouldnt be problematic if the queue
22:50 Doc22           had a variable for "where in"
22:50 Doc22           on each node
22:50 Doc22           so that iron doesnt generate into the middle of a cave
22:50 Doc22           how do trees generate into the next chunk if they are on an edge?
22:51 sokomine        3dforniture kills performance? how so?
22:51 VanessaE        the round trees.
22:51 Doc22           ahhhh
22:51 VanessaE        why oh why didn't he put those in a separate mod?
22:51 Doc22           what about vines mod
22:51 Doc22           and yeah i agree
22:51 Doc22           why does vines mod kill performance
22:51 VanessaE        vines spawns the damn things on EVERY tree, and lots of them at that, and makes them rot.
22:51 Doc22           lol
22:51 VanessaE        so its ABMs are really heavy apparently.
22:52 VanessaE        yet, conifers is tolerable.
22:52 VanessaE        hell even bas080's jungle trees mod is better than this.
22:52 Doc22           vines mod needs to take out the rotten vines
22:52 Doc22           that would make it have less abms
22:52 jordan4ibanez   Now i can make the shit mod
22:52 jordan4ibanez   mount the player to the toilet :3
22:52 Doc22           lol
22:53 Uberi           :O
22:53 Doc22           how you get porcelein?
22:53 Uberi           genious
22:53 Doc22           lo
22:53 Doc22           lol
22:53 Doc22           ARRGH
22:53 Doc22           trigger happy pinky
22:53 jordan4ibanez   from the toilet
22:53 jordan4ibanez   duh
22:53 Doc22           lol
22:54 Doc22           wood toilet
22:54 Doc22           stone toilet
22:54 Doc22           porcelein toilet
22:54 Doc22           steel toilet
22:54 sokomine        well...isn't that algorithm you're asking for exactly that what minetest already has for hills and stuff like that?
22:54 Doc22           GOLD TOILET
22:54 Doc22           ahhhhhh
22:54 Doc22           me?
22:55 sokomine        hm, yes, i usually have vines running as well. they spread a lot...
22:56 sokomine        hm :-) the toilets in 3dforniture are perfectly fine :-) no need for further ones
22:56 VanessaE        Server: A mismatched client tried to connect from xx.xx.xx.xx
22:56 VanessaE        who is this?
22:57 Doc22           not me
22:57 Doc22           im on crappy pc
22:57 Doc22           runs 3fps on this one
22:57 Doc22           :/
22:57 Doc22           if im lucky
23:14 VanessaE        anyone else want to try logging into the test server?  I'm checking for lag.
23:15 VanessaE        needs git from late today of course.
23:16 Octupus         Hi
23:16 Uberi           hi
23:16 VanessaE        oh I just noticed:  all creative stacks are 99 now instead of 49
23:16 VanessaE        hey Octupus
23:17 Octupus         Hi VanessaE
23:25 VanessaE        Ah I like the new trash feature with the 99's creative inventory
23:25 VanessaE        that's much better.
23:28 sokomine        yes. practical. especially for creative
23:28 sokomine        media's coming in slowly
23:29 NakedFury       99 is ok for now
23:29 NakedFury       later on it should be infinite and not show any number
23:29 VanessaE        yep I know.  It now has A Shitload Of Mods â„¢
23:29 sokomine        :-)
23:29 VanessaE        sokomine: world had to be reset (same seed) in the process.  Suggest you suicide and let it respawn you at the new spawnpoint.
23:29 sokomine        ambience_sound or how it's called as well? that seems the worst, transmission-time wise...
23:30 VanessaE        oh hell no
23:30 * sokomine      doesn't want to suicide! :-)
23:30 VanessaE        ambiance mod is nice but WAY to big :-)
23:30 sokomine        ah
23:30 * sokomine      looks relieved
23:30 Uberi           it's huge
23:30 sokomine        30% media
23:30 Muadtralk       possibly a scaled down version of it
23:30 OldCoder        It is only once
23:30 Muadtralk       with lower quality sound?
23:30 Uberi           it's already scaled down
23:30 OldCoder        Won't help much
23:30 VanessaE        I wish someone would rewrite confiers and jungletrees to not need to G*Daweful much CPU
23:30 OldCoder        Network must be fixed
23:30 Uberi           the quality is at a minimum
23:31 VanessaE        they're beautiful mods.
23:31 VanessaE        s/need to/need so/
23:31 Muadtralk       obviously the ambiance mod has a different definition of minimum
23:31 VanessaE        too bad, too.  ambiance is a nice mod.
23:31 Uberi           they did it as far as possible without discernible quality loss IIRC
23:31 sokomine        why do they need so much cpu?
23:32 VanessaE        sokomine: because they (conifers and jungletrees) grow very large trees at mapgen time.
23:32 VanessaE        and Lua is very slow for that.
23:32 sokomine        ah. large. ok. saw that on your server
23:33 VanessaE        the engine needs some way to spawn trees generically in C++.  Something those two can hook into
23:33 sokomine        hmm. wouldn't help much i'm afraid. normal trees look diffrent from the conifers
23:33 VanessaE        you know, "spawn tree X nodes wide, Y nodes tall, with Z tiers of leaves using textures A, B, C..."
23:33 VanessaE        that sorta thing
23:34 Uberi           nah, too specific
23:34 sokomine        maybe rather a way of adding a couple of nodes at the same time...chunk-data in, new chunk data out....
23:34 Uberi           maybe a general parametric shape generator
23:34 VanessaE        Uberi: sounds okay
23:35 sokomine        wow! finally the node data is arriving :-)
23:36 sokomine        green...somethings...are jumping around. i take it they're slimes?
23:36 VanessaE        slimes, yes.
23:36 Uberi           :O
23:36 VanessaE        Jeija's slimes mod.
23:37 VanessaE        only unlike certain...notch-based games... these slimes are harmless and they won't zerg-rush you :-)
23:37 NakedFury       need to see what mod changes where done in OCs servers
23:37 sokomine        thanks for the explanation :-)
23:37 VanessaE        whoa, server crash
23:38 sokomine        aah. and i was wondering why nothing happened
23:38 VanessaE        and bye bye goes the timber mod.
23:40 sokomine        why? what did that poor mod do to get discarded?
23:40 VanessaE        it crashed the server :-)
23:40 VanessaE        18:37:48: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...anessa/minetest/bin/../mods/minetest/timber/init.lua:12: attempt to index local 'timber_item' (a nil value)
23:40 sokomine        maybe the trees where too high for it
23:40 VanessaE        heh
23:41 VanessaE        anyway it's already back.
23:42 Uberi           that was fast
23:43 sokomine        hm. but changing several nodes in one go and setting them to unproblematic nodes (no face_dir or anything) ought to be more easy. importing minetest worlds is slow as well...and breaks when the area isn't loaded or generated
23:43 sokomine        what does add_node do internally?
23:44 VanessaE        dunno
23:44 VanessaE        it..um...adds a node? :-)
23:44 Uberi           it goes down to CPP and modifies some structs
23:47 Dogzilla131     Is there mirror mod?
23:48 Uberi           not possible at the moment in any reasonable way
23:49 Muadtralk       and what about nonreasonable ways :D
23:49 Muadtralk       ?
23:51 Uberi           well, I suppose it would be possible
23:51 Uberi           you could build an exact mirrored replica of the world on the other side of the wall
23:51 Uberi           and then put a glass node there
23:52 VanessaE        that's...a little complicated.
23:52 VanessaE        but doable in lua, in theory anyway
23:52 Muadtralk       and put a little nodebox npc on the other side :P
23:53 OldCoder        Dogzilla131, Uberi Hi
23:54 VanessaE        yay!
23:54 VanessaE        0.4.4 is out!
23:55 Muadtralk       hmmm
23:55 Muadtralk       official release by c55?
23:55 Muadtralk       with blog post and everything?
23:55 VanessaE        Bump version to 0.4.4 as this isn't compatible with 0.4.3
23:55 VanessaE        d67004a3be Browse code
23:55 VanessaE        celeron55 authored an hour ago
23:55 VanessaE        I'd say that's official enough ;)
23:56 Uberi           hey OldCoder
23:56 Uberi           what
23:56 Uberi           oh man
23:56 OldCoder        ?
23:56 Uberi           this is the best
23:57 Uberi           0.4.4
23:57 OldCoder        Yes I see
23:57 OldCoder        But no LevelDB
23:57 Muadtralk       and no official 0.4.4 win32 release
23:57 Muadtralk       which means it doesnt exist yet to many players
23:57 VanessaE        oh sfan5.........
23:57 VanessaE        ;)
23:58 Muadtralk       players that dont visit the forums
23:58 Uberi           I bet we get a new win32 build tomorrow