Time  Nick            Message
00:07 Kacey           anyone?
00:08 babyface1031    hi Octupus
00:09 Kacey           he is afk
00:10 babyface1031    ahh ok hi Kacey btw
00:10 Kacey           hello want to help make a map?
00:10 rarkenin        Kacey: Possibly... More detail, please?
00:10 Kacey           a nuclear disaster map
00:11 rarkenin        Do you need help or want more creative hands?
00:11 rarkenin        Is this on a server, or a separat game whose ma[gen creates such a workd?
00:11 rarkenin        *mapgen* *world*
00:11 Kacey           on my server
00:11 rarkenin        What mods do you have?
00:11 Kacey           all hel is welcome
00:11 rarkenin        And what kind of bandwidth?
00:12 * rarkenin      afk
00:12 Kacey           i have worldedit and a few others
00:15 OldCoder        Back
00:28 telek           Anybody here have an Atom netbook with a gma 500/600 or gma36x0 gpu in it?
00:36 rarkenin        Hi... Can I report a quick graphics bug, or shall I do that elsewhere?
00:36 telek           rarkenin: Forum would be the ideal place, it might get lost in IRC traffic.
00:37 rarkenin        OK. It's just a Z-fight, so I don't know whether such trivialities are acceptable there.
00:37 telek           Off in the distance?
00:37 rarkenin        No. With stairs underwater.
00:38 telek           Oh that's possibly something new then (I haven't heard of it at least)
01:08 Aqua            hi
01:17 Aqua            hi
01:19 RBA_bedtime     hi
01:22 * VanessaE      peeks in
01:22 VanessaE        hi all.
01:22 babyface1031    hi
01:24 * marktraceur   waves at VanessaE
01:24 VanessaE        hey
01:27 OldCoder        Dogzilla131 has done a mod. In world 30007 at 168.3,33.5,96.8 you will see one of his blocks
01:29 kaeza           hey guys
01:30 kaeza           Is there any mod admin here?
01:30 kaeza           Is there any forum* admin here?
01:31 kaeza           hello
01:33 Aqua            hi
01:33 Aqua            hi
01:33 kaeza           hello Aqua
01:34 kaeza           what's up?
01:35 Aqua            hi
01:36 kaeza           hi
01:39 Aqua            hi
01:39 Aqua            wat u doing?
01:51 kaeza           chatting on IRC
01:51 kaeza           :)
01:51 kaeza           is VanessaE here?
01:52 VanessaE        no :)
01:52 VanessaE        I'm over there --------->
01:52 kaeza           k :)
01:52 kaeza           got a small contrib to your HomeDecor mod
01:53 VanessaE        oh?
01:53 Aqua            im playing with landmine in the middle of a big battle
01:53 kaeza           It's still WIP, but tell me what do you think http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830
01:53 VanessaE        oh I saw that
01:53 kaeza           Aqua: where?
01:54 Aqua            nubelites server
01:54 kaeza           VanessaE: so?
01:54 VanessaE        kaeza: not bad, though I'd have chosen something else to put on the screen such as a screenshot of a minetest session or so
01:54 kaeza           Aqua: I was reading about it just now
01:55 kaeza           Yeah, I thought also putting a BSOD
01:55 kaeza           :)
01:55 VanessaE        hah!  no way
01:55 VanessaE        BSOD is too windows-centric
01:55 kaeza           maybe make an animated one. can I borrow your TV code?
01:55 VanessaE        sure, go right ahead.
01:56 kaeza           thanks :)
01:57 kaeza           <sarcasm>Why not Windows</sarcasm>
01:58 VanessaE        heh, as if you had to ask :)
01:58 RealBadAngel    windows is a relic of the past ;)
01:58 VanessaE        heh, that's putting it succinctly :-)
01:58 VanessaE        kaeza: put a picture of Tux on it ;)
01:59 kaeza           windows has been of the past since version 0.0.0
01:59 VanessaE        actually, I know what...
01:59 kaeza           they totally copied the Mac
01:59 kaeza           yay I was thinking about tux also
01:59 kaeza           Maybe also Wilber?
02:00 VanessaE        can you make a few versions of this mod that have a various classic computers?  say one with a C64, one with an Apple ][, one with an Amiga 500, one with a Spectrum 48k, and a regular PC?
02:00 VanessaE        as long as they are shaped and textured right, I'd gladly add such a mod to Home Decor :-)
02:00 kaeza           A Spectrum :) Playing Sir Fred
02:00 VanessaE        heh
02:00 RealBadAngel    Speccy, what a lovely machine...
02:00 kaeza           Yay it would be an honor
02:01 RealBadAngel    i was having all the possible models
02:01 VanessaE        the C64 would be showing Jumpman Jr., the Spectrum as above, the Apple ][ would have Moon Patrol running, the Amiga would just show Workbench, the PC would have Minetest :-)
02:02 RealBadAngel    16k, +, 128, 128+, Timex 2048, Timex 2068, some polish made one, Sam Coupe...
02:02 VanessaE        actually, at least three PCs with different images.
02:02 Dogzilla131     who is in 30007 minetest.org world
02:02 VanessaE        kaeza: think you could pull that off?
02:03 Dogzilla131     who is in 30007 minetest.org world
02:03 RealBadAngel    Who
02:03 kaeza           Sure. Goin' To Google Images!!!
02:03 VanessaE        Dogzilla131:  sign on there and /status
02:03 VanessaE        kaeza: use Wikipedia/Wikimedia commons if you're gonna copy the images for texturing
02:03 VanessaE        (free images = no license bullshit :-)
02:04 kaeza           I was thinking about making them myself, using Wikimedia Commons as source.
02:04 kaeza           BRB
02:05 Dogzilla131     what do you mean Vanessae
02:05 Dogzilla131     ohh wait i know what you mean
02:06 VanessaE        Dogzilla131: I mean sign onto the server and type /status
02:06 Dogzilla131     can somebody check my mod
02:06 VanessaE        it'll give you a list of who is currently online among other stuff.
02:06 kaeza           hmmm... What do you think: Speccy 16k or 48k?
02:07 VanessaE        48k.
02:07 kaeza           sorry, meant normal or plus
02:07 VanessaE        oh
02:07 VanessaE        48k "plus" I think was the common 8-bitter from the era.
02:08 VanessaE        the one that competed against the C64 anyway
02:08 kaeza           the only one that got to uruguay also
02:08 sokomine        hi
02:08 VanessaE        heh, that makes it easy
02:08 VanessaE        for the C64 shape/images, use the brown "breadbox" model (the one that looked like a re-colored VC-20)
02:09 VanessaE        For the Amiga, use the "500" model.  For the Apple ][, use the old "][e" model.
02:09 Dogzilla131     can somebody get in minetest.org and port:30007 to check my mod
02:10 kaeza           thanks for the tip, I don't know very much about apples (PS bananas, I like bananas)
02:10 VanessaE        Dogzilla131: just sign on yourself and see how it behaves
02:11 Dogzilla131     i did but i want somebody else to check
02:11 sokomine        do you want anything specific to be tested? what does the mod do?
02:11 VanessaE        kaeza: for the PC, I recommend a regular "tower" configuration rather than a "desktop" one.
02:11 VanessaE        you'll be able to texture it more flexibly.
02:11 Dogzilla131     it adds flags with bright light, and  to check the recipes
02:11 VanessaE        (in a "desktop" configuration, the top surface of the computer will also have to have the same texture as the top surface of the monitor)
02:12 kaeza           I'm not into legalese, is GFDL compatible with minetest? I guess yes, right?
02:12 VanessaE        yeah, you can use it in textures and stuff
02:12 VanessaE        no one's gonna give you any noise about that
02:13 kaeza           What I found is that the regular tower may make the monitor too small (I also want the monitor to be almost 4:3 in ratio), but I'll try
02:13 VanessaE        I've been lazy..  I still haven't updated HDX to account for recent changes in homedecor..
02:13 VanessaE        right.  good point there.
02:13 RealBadAngel    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg
02:14 VanessaE        maybe two nodes then - one for the tower and one holding the keyboard/monitor
02:14 kaeza           Hmm that would be a new challenge for me. Challenge Accepted!
02:14 VanessaE        http://skepticon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/knapp01.png
02:15 kaeza           Maybe adapt from the default doors?
02:15 VanessaE        naw, just make 'em separate nodes.
02:15 RealBadAngel    i could write simple OS for such PC
02:15 VanessaE        let the user place a PC, then let them place a monitor separately.
02:15 RealBadAngel    maybe forth interpreter?
02:15 kaeza           lol
02:15 kaeza           RBA: lol
02:15 RealBadAngel    why not?
02:15 VanessaE        my setup at home for example has the PC itself off in the corner, while two monitors sit in front of me a few feet away
02:16 sokomine        sapiers nodeboxeditor did work quite well after i finally got it to compile
02:16 RealBadAngel    in minecraft theres functional 6502 processor with all the hardware, docs and running Forth
02:16 kaeza           Next thing is Minetest Gates comes and writes Windows Cube for that PC and then minetest is plagued with bugs even more
02:17 RealBadAngel    seen also Norton Commander like app for it
02:17 kaeza           RBA: Is that so?
02:18 RealBadAngel    yes, and such computer is able to send/receive signals from redstone
02:18 RealBadAngel    via IO
02:18 RealBadAngel    buses are 16bit and stackable
02:18 kaeza           If minetest supported a "canvas" for formspec we could write minigames for it.
02:18 kaeza           RBA: cool
02:18 VanessaE        something that complex is probably better suited for a separate mod.
02:19 RealBadAngel    such computer comes with 8K of RAM
02:19 VanessaE        btw, don't make it run FORTH, make it run proper 6502 assembly.
02:19 kaeza           yeah, just draming here
02:19 RealBadAngel    expandable by memory add ons
02:19 sokomine        oh, that's good. busses are something i miss in mesecons. with seperate wires it's..complicated
02:19 RealBadAngel    up to 64kb
02:20 kaeza           Maybe a microcontroller-like object that supported code written directly in Lua?
02:20 RealBadAngel    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb0Q9htsbBI
02:20 RealBadAngel    watch this
02:20 RealBadAngel    that shall be done for mesecons too
02:21 kaeza           gotta install flash player :(
02:23 kaeza           VanessaE: don't know very much about the amiga. Is it a tower? Found this on Wikimedia: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500
02:23 RealBadAngel    kaeza, http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dvb0Q9htsbBI
02:24 VanessaE        kaeza: yeah, that's what most of us call a tower, though the Amiga is not normally seen in that format.  It normally looks like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A500.jpg
02:24 RealBadAngel    you can download just any streamin vid (like youtube) through this site
02:24 sokomine        the amiga 500 was one of the most popular computers about 20-25 years ago - along with the atari st and c64 (the amiga 500 was more advanced). the computer was integrated into the keyboard (or rather the keyboard into the computer)
02:25 kaeza           RBA: now DL'ing. Thanks for the tip. Didn't know keepvid, silly me.
02:25 VanessaE        keepvid is a handy site, for sure.
02:25 VanessaE        kaeza: that A500.jpg is a typical Amiga 500, use that and ones that look like it as your guide for the shape and imagery for that particular machine.
02:26 Dogzilla131     Whats the rules to put a mod in the forum
02:26 VanessaE        (too bad Minetest doesn't support proper 3d models yet, this is the sort of thing where a real vector-based model would look good)
02:26 kaeza           true
02:26 VanessaE        Dogzilla131: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1271
02:29 kaeza           RBA: O_o
02:30 kaeza           more like :O
02:31 RealBadAngel    kaeza, you could make models in blender
02:31 RealBadAngel    and make them entities
02:31 kaeza           but will they work on vanilla MT?
02:31 RealBadAngel    pretty soon
02:32 kaeza           is it official? cool
02:32 RealBadAngel    with Taoki patch coming soon
02:32 RealBadAngel    shes workin now only on controls
02:32 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/mc.png
02:33 kaeza           For now nodeboxes will have to do :(
02:33 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/hulk.png
02:34 kaeza           cool
02:36 sokomine        what's the current status of the model-version? it adds two things i'm really looking forward to :-)
02:37 kaeza           VanessaE: About the Amiga 500, does it use a monitor or a TV?
02:37 kaeza           like the speccy
02:37 RealBadAngel    sokomine, Taoki got now my patch to read the keyboard, shes on with it to apply controls to the models
02:38 kaeza           nevermind Wikisearched it
02:38 RealBadAngel    kaeza, a500 used a monitor, or a TV with tv module attached to it
02:39 * sokomine      hops around happily
02:39 kaeza           RBA: got it
02:39 RealBadAngel    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Amiga500_system.jpg
02:40 * sokomine      dreams of animated animals which now might be possible
02:40 sokomine        (at least one can hope for)
02:40 RealBadAngel    sokomine, when this got merged also carts, boats, lifts or whatever in this style will be possible
02:41 VanessaE        kaeza: a monitor.
02:41 InuGloop        woof. :3
02:41 kaeza           RBA: Fast & Furious: Mine Drift
02:41 VanessaE        hey neko
02:41 InuGloop        nu
02:41 InuGloop        me doggy. :3
02:41 VanessaE        meh
02:41 InuGloop        (Inu == Dog)
02:41 InuGloop        eh. I'm bored.
02:41 RealBadAngel    play some mt
02:42 NekoGloop       not until you idiots actually halfass it at least.
02:42 kaeza           wat
02:42 RealBadAngel    NekoGloop, still having a period?
02:43 kaeza           lol
02:43 NekoGloop       RealBadAngel: still being a douchebag?
02:44 kaeza           https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/W2x4iH9450iId5W7MfuYvw2.jpg
02:44 NekoGloop       kaeza: Seems legit
02:44 VanessaE        kaeza: haha
02:44 NekoGloop       Dude builds giant castle. Dude gets bored.
02:45 NekoGloop       Dude wasted (equivalent of) at least 10 diamond picks.
02:45 sokomine        diamond picks? they last for days...must be a really huge building!
02:46 NekoGloop       sokomine: you must limit their use to obsidian (like i do)
02:46 kaeza           yeah, but also happens on MT
02:46 kaeza           I wasted 5 Mese picks in the process
02:46 sokomine        i know them only from the kingarthur server. there they proved almost indestructible. mese-picks are by comparison like wood-picks...as far as durability is concerned...
02:47 NekoGloop       kaeza: mese picks are wimpy.
02:47 NekoGloop       sokomine: minecraft.
02:47 sokomine        there's no obsidian on that server so i don't know how hard to pick up that is
02:47 sokomine        aah. ok
02:47 VanessaE        fuck all of those - Admin Pick (maptools) FTW! :-)
02:47 NekoGloop       yeah diamond picks are useless in MC, except for obsidian.
02:47 VanessaE        instant dig (except on unknown blocks), never wears out :-)
02:47 NekoGloop       better to get a dark matter pick
02:47 kaeza           VanessaE: like the mese pick was on pre 4.0
02:48 VanessaE        4.0!?  *grumble*
02:48 VanessaE        *growl*
02:48 kaeza           4.x*
02:48 NekoGloop       kaeza: 0.4.x
02:48 VanessaE        OH POINT FOUR POINT ECKS.
02:48 VanessaE        :)
02:48 NekoGloop       kaeza: lend me your damn time machine.
02:48 VanessaE        lol
02:48 kaeza           sorry my mistake :)
02:48 kaeza           lol
02:49 NekoGloop       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm8iBU7TkmI&feature=related
02:49 kaeza           that would be like 3012?
02:49 NekoGloop       kaeza: dont know, you have the time machine.
02:51 kaeza           VanessaE: LIMA OSCAR LIMA
02:56 VanessaE        heh
02:56 NekoGloop       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSl7-Q0K-XI&feature=related :3
02:59 kaeza           double post!!
02:59 kaeza           :)
03:00 NekoGloop       is it international double post day?
03:02 kaeza           :?
03:03 RealBadAngel    funny
03:03 RealBadAngel    get_nodedef_field function described in api seems to not exists at all
03:04 kaeza_          brb
03:04 NekoGloop       RealBadAngel: that's because this is opensource.
03:04 NekoGloop       tis source code griefing.
03:04 NekoGloop       :3
03:04 kaeza_          lol
03:05 RealBadAngel    only instances found by grep are api doc and my mod
03:05 sokomine        griefing...that would mean that we'd take code out of it. most of the time people seem to put something in...griefers hardly do that :-)
03:05 sokomine        except when they got lava or something like that
03:05 RealBadAngel    sources are not infected with such function
03:06 VanessaE        speaking of griefing, FINALLY the method of using a sapling to destroy chests has been fixed.
03:07 sokomine        excellent!
03:07 RealBadAngel    waited for days to be merged
03:07 RealBadAngel    as always here
03:08 RealBadAngel    if its new added, we have to think bout it, no need to hurry
03:08 RealBadAngel    if its two weeks old, its unusable to merge, tree changed
03:08 RealBadAngel    and joins the history
03:08 VanessaE        seems that way sometimes, doesn't it
03:09 RealBadAngel    sometimes?
03:09 RealBadAngel    minetesttimes
03:09 RealBadAngel    i wont be contributing to the engine anymore
03:09 VanessaE        heh
03:09 VanessaE        ok all-the-times :-)
03:12 VanessaE        keep contributing, just be sure you git pull from upstream frequently so your patches don't go out of date
03:13 VanessaE        that said, I'm more than a tad irritated at the commit rate in minetest_game also.  I've got stuff sitting there waiting to go in for ages now, and just refresh and re-issued pull-requests today at PilzAdam's request (because he doesn't like multiple commits per request)
03:13 RealBadAngel    like last time, c55 suggested changes
03:13 RealBadAngel    i did them
03:14 RealBadAngel    than he said he doesnt like one variable i keep using
03:14 Muadtralk       what variable was it?
03:14 RealBadAngel    bit packed keyboard input
03:14 RealBadAngel    very usable for me
03:15 RealBadAngel    all pressed keys in one integer
03:15 RealBadAngel    he likes tables with left=true/false and so on
03:16 RealBadAngel    i like if pressed&1  then user pressed left
03:16 RealBadAngel    if pressed&15 then player pressed ANY of movement keys
03:17 RealBadAngel    but fuck no, better to write dumb snakes with checks for bools
03:18 RealBadAngel    which is GREAT for targeted low end machines
03:19 RealBadAngel    some1 here never learned to optimize the code fore effectivness and speed
03:21 RealBadAngel    so we are forced to make zilions of node definitions for furnaces
03:21 RealBadAngel    having 100 objects in the game produces 10 times more node defitions
03:21 NekoGloop       RealBadAngel: calm the fuck down
03:22 RealBadAngel    im calm
03:22 RealBadAngel    and pissed off
03:23 sokomine        how can we cheer you up?
03:23 RealBadAngel    and wont be coding anymore 2 days in a row
03:23 RealBadAngel    then ask 2 weeks  "please can you take a look on my code"
03:23 sokomine        ah yes..know that. one does invest a lot of time and then nobody likes it and people only complain :-(
03:24 NekoGloop       RealBadAngel: Finally realized that celeron doesnt like modders?
03:24 thexyz          > waited for days to be merged
03:24 RealBadAngel    and pilzadam says he doesnt know c++
03:24 thexyz          did you see the diff?
03:24 RealBadAngel    c55 said hes not the only one with right
03:24 RealBadAngel    *s
03:24 RealBadAngel    thexyz sent me to darkrose
03:25 VanessaE        thexyz or someone who feels up to it, please merge pull requests 51 and 52.
03:25 thexyz          i've already specofied my position on it
03:25 RealBadAngel    this way we gonna have only fixes to rise of the trees got merged, eventually
03:25 thexyz          your patch will be included with Taoki's one
03:26 RealBadAngel    thexyz, in polish we got a word for it "spychologia", means im not willin to take it on me, get the fuck out, and ask somebody else
03:27 thexyz          and even those fixes can't ve written correctly (both provided by Uberi are wrong, for example)
03:27 thexyz          you still don't understand
03:27 thexyz          can you read my message? it WILL be merged
03:28 thexyz          there's no need to chanve protocol twice when it could be done once
03:28 RealBadAngel    you know that we are waitin almost two weeks to continue?
03:28 RealBadAngel    3d models could be done 2 weeks ago
03:29 RealBadAngel    thats what im talkin about
03:29 thexyz          i don't see a relation here
03:29 RealBadAngel    you have blocked the patch needed by Taoki to continue
03:30 thexyz          err, you'd better learn to read
03:30 RealBadAngel    after two weeks you have forced Taoki to work on my branch
03:30 thexyz          VanessaE: sorry, i can't test or merge anything from my android phone
03:31 RealBadAngel    no, you try to understand what you are doing to the future of the game
03:31 thexyz          i told her earlier
03:31 VanessaE        thexyz: ok]
03:31 RealBadAngel    that "solution" i suggested to Taoki week before you did
03:32 RealBadAngel    but she wanted to work on merged code
03:32 thexyz          so what?
03:32 RealBadAngel    so nothin.
03:32 RealBadAngel    im out of engine development
03:33 thexyz          ok
03:34 RealBadAngel    it takes more time running around asking than actually write something
03:34 RealBadAngel    and this is fucking annoying
03:36 RealBadAngel    this way minetest treats contributors soon you will have 0 pull requests
03:37 NekoGloop       RealBadAngel: Like the way you fight off new modders with a heated cattle prod?
03:38 RealBadAngel    i dont fight them you moron
03:38 RealBadAngel    i tried for days to get you doing something usable
03:38 RealBadAngel    just not another set of tools
03:39 RealBadAngel    and you have proven you can do that
03:39 NekoGloop       and then you continued to call my code shit.
03:39 thexyz          yep, yep, so if you don't have anything more to say, i'd better leave right now
03:40 RealBadAngel    yes of course, i called your code shit and merged it to technic
03:40 RealBadAngel    perfect logic
03:40 NekoGloop       RealBadAngel: Then rewrote it entirely for your electric rendition.
03:40 RealBadAngel    gimme your's dealer phone number, he sells good shit
03:41 VanessaE        I think the lesson we all need to take from this whole argument is that we need to be a bit less picky about the exact nature of peoples' contributions
03:41 jordan4ibanez   lol i did everything
03:41 jordan4ibanez   you're all st00pid
03:42 NekoGloop       VanessaE: heh.
03:42 jordan4ibanez   Just kidding.
03:42 kaeza           k i'm back
03:42 VanessaE        wb
03:42 kaeza           what's going on?
03:42 RealBadAngel    NekoGloop, even when i rewrote somethin, i was still working on your idea
03:42 VanessaE        kaeza: NekoGloop and RealBadAngel were just about to kiss and make up ;)
03:43 NekoGloop       VanessaE: Ew. No. Just, no.
03:43 kaeza           ohhh please continue then
03:43 VanessaE        lol
03:43 kaeza           :)
03:43 jordan4ibanez   I come back to this
03:43 jordan4ibanez   what the hell is wrong with you peoples
03:43 RealBadAngel    the next module im going to release this weekend is a rewrote of SIX mods put together
03:44 NekoGloop       You should add cactusmod and charcoal.
03:44 RealBadAngel    creative, inventory+, bags, homepos, craft_guide and default invetory
03:44 jordan4ibanez   Where's pilzadam
03:45 jordan4ibanez   I want to slap him for his miscoding of tnt
03:45 VanessaE        jordan4ibanez: taking his sweet fucking time to show up, that's where
03:45 VanessaE        :)
03:45 RealBadAngel    all shaked, mixed and made into one
03:45 kaeza           jordan: lol
03:45 VanessaE        I want to smack him for his griping about my commit-to-pull-request ratio :-)
03:45 Muadtralk       jordan4ibanez: we are all crazy thats whats wrong
03:45 jordan4ibanez   He did the full_hit or whatever to damage the player on tnt explosion, which causes the windows server to crash
03:46 RealBadAngel    wait, its ok
03:46 kaeza           It crashes on linux also
03:46 NekoGloop       jordan4ibanez: simple.
03:46 jordan4ibanez   He should have just done set_hp, I'll post a fix on the forum
03:46 RealBadAngel    it was supposed to blow monitor to damage the player
03:46 kaeza           RBA:lol
03:46 Muadtralk       what matters is that it doesnt work right
03:46 NekoGloop       Minetest checks on startup if you are running windows, then subtracts a couple dozen from your FPS.
03:46 Muadtralk       yes?
03:46 kaeza           It just blows indexing a number
03:47 kaeza           NekoGloop: It's the other way around
03:47 NekoGloop       kaeza: wut?
03:47 kaeza           happens the same with OpenOffice
03:48 kaeza           Windows blows up Open Source Software that is
03:48 jordan4ibanez   Windows don't do shat
03:48 NekoGloop       all open source software checks for windows at startup.
03:48 NekoGloop       then does everything it can to fail
03:48 jordan4ibanez   You're mom checks the windows at startup
03:48 jordan4ibanez   OHHHHHHHHH
03:48 kaeza           your*
03:49 jordan4ibanez   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3843
03:50 kaeza           OSS Running under Windows? NOPE! Chuck Gates!
03:50 VanessaE        ...
03:52 kaeza           jordan: WHISKEY! TANGO! FOXTROT!
03:52 NekoGloop       jordan4ibanez: lol
03:53 jordan4ibanez   "Some folks have had some luck with 8px and even 4px textures, but the smaller you go, the less detail you can see, and most video devices won't show any further benefit at those sizes (indeed, some folks may even see a performance loss)." I just, can't even
03:54 * jordan4ibanez stands on box
03:54 * jordan4ibanez slits throat
03:54 jordan4ibanez   *gurgle*
03:54 NekoGloop       jordan4ibanez: best luck is to just screw it all and use vanilla.
03:54 VanessaE        forget it jordan, I've already seen the claims.  even c55 has made mention of that.
03:54 VanessaE        the smaller you go, the faster your video card can read the textures, until it gets below the latency of the card's electronics and driver.
03:55 VanessaE        and the less time the game takes to start up as well, again to a point.
03:55 jordan4ibanez   This guy "graywolf777" Is just, horrible, and the fact that he puts "-graywolf777" at the end of his posts, not even his sig, his posts, i just, can't even
03:56 jordan4ibanez   I didn't see your name there, thanks for showing me friend!
03:56 VanessaE        if you have such a problem with the forums, stop reading the forums.
03:56 kaeza           The problem (to the extent of my knowledge) is that drawing a 1x1 image is slower than just filling one or two polygons.
03:56 Kacey           hello
03:56 NekoGloop       if you have a problem with minetest, stop playing minetest.
03:56 Muadtralk       no its just an issue with graywolf whateverhis name is
03:57 jordan4ibanez   Minetest should be on the N64
03:57 VanessaE        evening kacey
03:57 kaeza           hello Kacey
03:57 Kacey           who wants to help make a nuclear disaster map?
03:57 jordan4ibanez   I'll compile a cartridge for you guys later.
03:57 Kacey           lolz
03:58 kaeza           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3662
03:58 jordan4ibanez   "WHOA!!!!"
03:59 kaeza           nuff said
04:00 Kacey           anyone?
04:00 jordan4ibanez   Do you guys remember? https://github.com/erlehmann/minetest-delta
04:00 Muadtralk       yes
04:00 Muadtralk       yes
04:00 Muadtralk       yes
04:00 Muadtralk       I still play it on occasion
04:00 Muadtralk       when i get bored of minetest
04:01 * Kacey         feels a little invisible
04:01 jordan4ibanez   Hi Kacey
04:01 Muadtralk       no no kacey i can see the swag your emitting
04:01 VanessaE        Kacey: the world has too many "doomsday" or "apocalypse" themes already.
04:02 VanessaE        try something truly constructive.
04:02 Kacey           ooh ok how about a utopia map?
04:02 Muadtralk       boring
04:02 Muadtralk       make a adventure map
04:02 Muadtralk       like a real one
04:02 kaeza           Muadtralk: lol
04:02 kaeza           that would be cool
04:02 Muadtralk       not just a themed map
04:02 Muadtralk       something with a story
04:03 Kacey           how do i make an adventure map?
04:03 Kacey           brb
04:04 Kacey           back
04:04 jordan4ibanez   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53275#p53275 Post #6 , I think that may be a fake account
04:04 jordan4ibanez   Lmao.
04:06 Kacey           viron?
04:06 kaeza           what?
04:06 Kacey           the sixth post is by viron
04:07 Kacey           ok who wants to help make the map?
04:08 jordan4ibanez   I wanted to play on redcrab 's server, but i got lost
04:08 Kacey           lol
04:08 kaeza           http://fuuu.us/239
04:09 Muadtralk       i tihnk i got banned from gameboom
04:09 Muadtralk       think*
04:09 Muadtralk       this is a first
04:10 Kacey           all help is welcome to play
04:10 Kacey           to help on my adventure map
04:10 VanessaE        Muadtralk: you sure you have exactly the right git commit build to play on gameboom? :-)
04:11 kaeza           jordan: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/6rZUNwHmMYHnFOwB2H40iWPRMU5VRgtM.jpg
04:11 Kacey           67.162.156.91 port 30000
04:11 VanessaE        that server goes out of date faster than firefox :-)
04:11 Muadtralk       hey!
04:11 Muadtralk       i like firefox
04:11 Kacey           i like chrome
04:11 VanessaE        so do I :-)
04:11 VanessaE        (ff)
04:11 kaeza           me too :)
04:11 kaeza           :(
04:11 VanessaE        but that doesn't change the truth :-)
04:12 kaeza           I like IE http://fuuu.us/86
04:13 jordan4ibanez   I like midori and safari
04:14 kaeza           I like dillo. Beat that!
04:14 jordan4ibanez   http://www.twotoasts.de/media/Midori-0.4.7_setup.exe#!sha1!f0bbac56c83b1864c03cfbc130fc670a1fb851cc
04:14 Muadtralk       I like Butterfly!
04:14 jordan4ibanez   Try it, you have no choice.
04:15 kaeza           Sorry, using chromium :)
04:15 Muadtralk       what is this foriegn thing..... an .exe? what is such magic
04:16 jordan4ibanez   It comes in 548 linux packaging systems too!
04:16 kaeza           He uses Window$
04:16 VanessaE        Muadtralk: some obsolete format, works on these things called...oh what were they.."window" machines?
04:16 jordan4ibanez   Linux may be great, but the fact there are so many distros, ruins the goodness of linux
04:16 VanessaE        so don't run "so many".  pick one that works and stick to it.
04:16 jordan4ibanez   Which one, there are over 9000
04:17 VanessaE        xubuntu or mint probably.
04:17 Kacey           67.162.156.91 port 30000 if you want to help
04:17 kaeza           *thinks the statement said by jordan is true
04:17 jordan4ibanez   I'll have to create a linux distro to help me choose linux distros
04:17 kaeza           jordan: have you tried Ubuntu?
04:17 jordan4ibanez   I've tried from gentoo to ubuntu lol
04:17 VanessaE        gentoo if you wanna be a geek about it, arch if you wanna draw Calinou's ire :-)
04:17 jordan4ibanez   Everythin in between
04:17 Kacey           how do you seet the spawn
04:17 VanessaE        I didn't Ubuntu - I said xubuntu.
04:18 VanessaE        as in ubuntu with a sane desktop.
04:18 kaeza           If you look for something Windows-ish, I suggest you Puppy Linux
04:18 kaeza           Is sane for desktop? thought it was a lib for scanners :)
04:18 jordan4ibanez   I like having the choice of software, I loved linux, when steam4linux comes out i might dualboot debian again
04:19 kaeza           hey Doc
04:19 Doc22           Hey
04:19 Doc22           on minetest.org:30004
04:19 Doc22           octuworld
04:19 VanessaE        I haven't used windows as a home computer OS in...  oh, 15 years now
04:19 Doc22           there are nonsolid blocks
04:19 Kacey           hey doc
04:19 kaeza           VanessaE: +1000
04:20 Doc22           what is the recipe
04:20 Doc22           hey kacey
04:20 Kacey           want to help make an epic map?
04:20 Doc22           VanessaE what os do you use?
04:20 Doc22           what kind of map kacey
04:20 VanessaE        Doc22: Linux.
04:20 Kacey           adventure map
04:20 Doc22           what dist
04:20 kaeza           VanessaE:what dist
04:20 VanessaE        (or, GNU/Linux if you wanna be pedantic about it) - Xubuntu 12.04.
04:20 kaeza           ?
04:20 Doc22           i got an ida kacey
04:20 Kacey           ?
04:20 Doc22           ok
04:20 jordan4ibanez   Linux needs a real distro
04:20 Doc22           I like ubuntu
04:20 Doc22           yeah
04:20 jordan4ibanez   One operating system
04:21 jordan4ibanez   Like, ubuntu, ubuntu is doing nicely
04:21 Kacey           67.162.156.91 port 30000
04:21 Doc22           like the "official" linux
04:21 jordan4ibanez   Got valve on their side
04:21 Doc22           and kacey
04:21 Doc22           not right now
04:21 VanessaE        jordan4ibanez: http://xkcd.com/927/
04:21 Kacey           ooh ok
04:21 Doc22           so who knows the recipe for nonsolid blocks
04:21 kaeza           VanessaE: lol
04:21 Kacey           i only have 40 mins today
04:21 jordan4ibanez   Thank you! That is the problem with linux, and all of it's distros
04:21 Doc22           or what mod it is
04:21 kaeza           so true
04:22 VanessaE        xkcd has an appropriate comic for almost every situation :-)
04:22 kaeza           I bet you minetest coders have the same problem
04:22 Doc22           lol vanessae
04:22 VanessaE        jordan4ibanez: the problem is, if that's what's wrong with linux, how do you fix it *without* doing exactly that?
04:22 Doc22           hrmmmmm'
04:22 kaeza           I mean trying to compile on almost 4158965 different OSes
04:23 Doc22           lol
04:23 Doc22           the thing about linux
04:23 kaeza           distros*
04:23 Doc22           is that it is a platform for everyone to make their own os
04:23 Doc22           and that is worth more that a uniform os
04:23 Doc22           it teaches people valuable skills
04:23 jordan4ibanez   There are the main types of linux 'stros, Base (debian, gentoo, arch, etc...) - Build-offs (Ubuntu, sabayon, archbang, etc) - Remixes (Mint, arch4free, satanicUbuntu, etc..) and shit
04:24 kaeza           Doc: true, but also leads to tons of code duplication
04:24 Doc22           yeah i guess thats true
04:25 VanessaE        "archbang"?  (lovechild of crunchbang and arch?  o.O (
04:25 jordan4ibanez   Yes
04:25 kaeza           I mean, for example, browsers, we have Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, Dillo, Midori, etc, etc
04:25 jordan4ibanez   Very light, very fast, very, demotivational
04:26 kaeza           most of them are the same, with small changes between them
04:26 jordan4ibanez   I think snowLinux is the worst I've EVER used, and the beta of elementaryOS latest is fucking orgasmic
04:26 jordan4ibanez   Very buggy, but amazing
04:27 Kacey           map looking good so far...
04:27 Kacey           wish i had some help
04:27 jordan4ibanez   ARE YOU ASKING FOR MY HELP KACEY
04:27 jordan4ibanez   WHERE IS YOUR MAP
04:27 Kacey           67.162.156.91 port 30000
04:28 Kacey           anyone can help
04:30 jordan4ibanez   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_F9Nrs7ODQ
04:33 Doc22           oldcoder on octu's server what mod adds the nonsolid blocks
04:33 Doc22           like nonsolid dirt
04:34 Doc22           okay octupus
04:34 Doc22           do you know>
04:34 Doc22           err Kacey
04:34 kaeza           Is there a mod to add solid invisible blocks? like solid air?
04:34 VanessaE        sounds like the camouflage mod.
04:34 Doc22           do you know what the nonsolid blocks recipe is
04:34 Kacey           idk
04:34 Doc22           no that is my mod
04:34 Doc22           i would know
04:34 Muadtralk       there are nonsolid blocks in one of gatheroths mods
04:34 Doc22           it adds nonsolid blocks like dirt and stone
04:34 Muadtralk       search him on the forums
04:34 Doc22           ok
04:35 Doc22           wait i already saw that one
04:35 Doc22           and tried it
04:36 jordan4ibanez   If you want to shit yourself laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckSBoG-7Vnc&feature=channel&list=UL
04:39 Doc22           lol
04:41 Kacey           crap... 20 mins left
04:43 Doc22           for what
04:45 Kacey           15 mins
04:45 Kacey           till bedtime
04:46 Doc22           oh
04:46 Kacey           ya
04:46 Kacey           so if your gonna help hel now
04:46 Kacey           help*
04:47 kaeza           kacey: lol bedtime? bitch, I'm a coder!
04:48 Kacey           me too but i have to go somewhere tomorrow
04:48 mrtux           goodnight
04:48 kaeza           g'night kacey
04:49 Kacey           not yet
04:49 kaeza           Is there a mod to add solid invisible blocks? like solid air?
04:49 Doc22           i dont know
04:50 Doc22           well try map tools
04:50 Doc22           wait nvm
04:50 Doc22           that isnt what you want
04:50 mrtux           just make a mod that has a transparent texture
04:50 Doc22           it has invisible nonsolid
04:50 Doc22           lol
04:50 Doc22           Dogzilla131_
04:50 Doc22           how do you make the nonsolid blocks in minetest.org:30004
04:50 kaeza           Just asking because I don't want to duplicate code
04:50 Doc22           ok
04:51 Doc22           I saw you make tehem
04:51 Doc22           Dogzilla131_?
04:51 kaeza           so I'll make them them
04:51 kaeza           them*
04:51 kaeza           then* *FUCK*
04:52 kaeza           That's after I finish the Amiga 500 :)
04:53 Kacey           well map looks pretty good
04:56 Kacey           bye all
05:01 OldCoder        Bye
05:04 RealBadAngel    too late
05:04 RealBadAngel    you should work on reaction time ;)
05:04 OldCoder        Yep
05:04 OldCoder        Needs more pep
05:04 OldCoder        To be hep
05:04 OldCoder        RealBadAngel, I am pleased to say
05:04 OldCoder        Today
05:05 OldCoder        Worlds live again
05:05 OldCoder        All of them
05:05 RealBadAngel    thx god and oldcoder then :)
05:05 OldCoder        Heh
05:05 RealBadAngel    well, god is also an old coder
05:05 OldCoder        Indeed
05:06 RealBadAngel    he wrote all that shit ages ago
05:06 OldCoder        It is a patchwork
05:06 OldCoder        Someday He will debug
05:06 OldCoder        On that day
05:06 OldCoder        We'll all need a hug
05:06 RealBadAngel    lol
05:06 VanessaE        heh
05:07 RealBadAngel    so no armaggeddon
05:07 RealBadAngel    just day of release stable
05:07 VanessaE        problem is, G*d outsourced some of the work to China. :-)
05:08 RealBadAngel    that branch wont be merged i think
05:08 VanessaE        that's the master branch.
05:09 VanessaE        the problem is there's these developers with their "new" code that have been vying for merge rights for 1500 years now.
05:09 RealBadAngel    ive seen today funny picture from china
05:09 VanessaE        plus another lot whose code is even newer and buggier.. . G*d forbid if their code gets pushed upstream, the world is surely fucked then ;)
05:09 RealBadAngel    family denied to sell the house, for the price proposed was too low
05:10 RealBadAngel    and they built highway with the house in the middle of it
05:10 VanessaE        oh my
05:10 RealBadAngel    wait, i will look for pictures
05:12 RealBadAngel    http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kiosk/tak-sie-buduje-drogi-w-chinach,5312643,13179535,fotoreportaz-maly.html#photo13179535
05:12 VanessaE        jeez
05:12 RealBadAngel    title is "This is how roads are made in China"
05:14 RealBadAngel    folks refused to sell the home because money proposed wasnt enough to build new one
05:14 RealBadAngel    so now theyre livin on the highway
05:17 * RealBadAngel  sings im on the road again...
05:18 RealBadAngel    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Y3XMmD3qo
05:22 Dogzilla131_    This is one idea that somebody can make it to a mod
05:22 Dogzilla131_    to make notapad in the game
05:23 Dogzilla131_    *notepad
05:23 Dogzilla131_    paper that you can write with
05:24 RealBadAngel    why not? metadata can hold anything
05:29 kaeza           Dogzilla: you read my mind
05:30 kaeza           sorry been playing my bugged minetest world
05:30 VanessaE        zzz
05:31 Dogzilla131_    thank you kaeza and RealBadAngel for supporting the idea
05:31 kaeza           keep getting those annoying purple objects
05:31 kaeza           :)
05:31 kaeza           you'll do it zilla?
05:32 kaeza           Paper is almost useless in minetest right now
05:32 OldCoder        kaeza, explain purple objects
05:32 RealBadAngel    purple, scary, brrrr
05:32 kaeza           "unknown object"s. Tried /clearobjects but the server crashed
05:33 VanessaE        he uses my HDX pack I think, so "Unknown block" and related are purple
05:33 kaeza           these were leftovers from MOBF
05:33 kaeza           VanessaE: yes
05:33 VanessaE        they should be ordinary entities then, a /clearobjects should have killed them off.
05:34 kaeza           wait. I'll try again
05:35 kaeza           now clearing
05:36 kaeza           VanessaE: are they purple? sorry, I'm just guessing. I'm colorblind
05:37 kaeza           lol :)
05:37 VanessaE        no wonder you like HDX ;)
05:37 kaeza           how much does /clearobjects take?
05:37 kaeza           long*
05:38 VanessaE        anyway, "unknown block" is a sort of lavender purple, "item" is cyan, "object" is magenta.
05:38 VanessaE        it takes quite a while actually, especially if lots of the map is active.
05:38 kaeza           just confused unufiedbricks' "bright green" for yellow :(
05:38 VanessaE        heh
05:40 kaeza           it's a 1000x1000x1000 map IIRC
05:40 VanessaE        that ain't small, for sure.
05:41 kaeza           removing unused chunks, it should make 500x500x500
05:41 kaeza           It's still pretty big i guess
05:41 RealBadAngel    ive just dumped all the items inventory_image for all registered ones
05:41 RealBadAngel    and i wonder
05:41 kaeza           core dumped :(
05:42 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, read it too
05:42 VanessaE        I really wish someone would make a tool that will go through, diff a used world against a clean one from the same seed, and apply those changes to the clean one, so we can get newly-generated terrain ( = stuff like moreores can run)
05:42 RealBadAngel    why some definitions have and most not?
05:42 kaeza           VanessaE: +100000
05:42 RealBadAngel    from flowers only dandelion white have it
05:42 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: because some stuff doesn't need a separate inventory image.
05:42 RealBadAngel    my stuff needs :)
05:43 kaeza           I started a new world using the same seed and have been worldediting to copy my buildings. It's a mess
05:43 VanessaE        I only use such if the item placed in the world needs to look different from the inventory, such as a fence or a fridge
05:43 RealBadAngel    i know
05:43 RealBadAngel    but there should be predefined image for inventory
05:44 RealBadAngel    created on register
05:44 RealBadAngel    like now i want to get all the inventory images
05:45 RealBadAngel    and cant
05:45 RealBadAngel    i will have to rewrote in LUA the code theyre made in c++
05:50 RealBadAngel    well, there is one definded inside the game
05:57 kaeza           Can you help me with this? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3846
05:59 VanessaE        "creative inventory size: 928"  <-- that's all? :-)  1110 here :-)
06:00 VanessaE        I've seen that std::bad_alloc error before, in my case it was an out-of-memory issue.
06:00 kaeza           been removing mods to try and isolate problem
06:00 kaeza           Isn't 4GB enough?
06:00 VanessaE        (x86 can't access more than 3GB RAM, and my copy wanted to push just beyond that, so I updated to the AMD64 of my distro)
06:00 VanessaE        4GB is fine --- if you're running AMD64.
06:01 VanessaE        if you're on x86, you lose that last 1GB.
06:01 kaeza           i686 :(
06:01 VanessaE        and if you run my HDX pack, you need all the RAM you can get.
06:01 kaeza           hmmm... I'll try again with the default pack
06:02 kaeza           If that helps, maybe I'll try your 64px pack
06:02 VanessaE        we should rename the game Memhogtest ;)
06:02 kaeza           lol
06:02 VanessaE        no, don't both with the 64px one.  Either use the 512px one or drop to default temporarily.
06:02 VanessaE        bother*
06:02 kaeza           That's OK. Windows notepad uses about the same :)
06:04 kaeza           now trying...
06:06 kaeza           does it inform you or something when finished?
06:06 VanessaE        I think it just says "cleared all objects" when done
06:07 kaeza           it's hogging all my CPU time right now. I think it's doing something at least
06:07 VanessaE        well that's a good sign anyway :-)
06:08 kaeza           I miss your textures :(
06:08 VanessaE        well you can always re-install them when this is done :-)
06:09 kaeza           re-install? O_o
06:09 VanessaE        re-install my textures I mean - as in re-enable them :-)
06:09 kaeza           It's Linux! Let's play with symlink!
06:09 VanessaE        hehe
06:10 VanessaE        well I just tweak ~/.minetest/minetest.conf to point to where the textures are ;-)
06:10 kaeza           core dumped
06:10 kaeza           :(
06:10 VanessaE        eek
06:10 kaeza           same traceback as before
06:11 VanessaE        so much for that idea.
06:11 kaeza           I think I'll just keep copy-pasting my city into a new world
06:12 kaeza           Using worldedit I mean
06:12 kaeza           Or maybe upgrade :P
06:13 VanessaE        worldedit.
06:13 VanessaE        throwing hardware at a software problem is a sign of being a geek, but in this case celeron55 or someone just needs to do the right thing and fix the bug :-)
06:16 Dogzilla131_    Finish my fisrt mod http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53263#p53263
06:16 Dogzilla131_    *first
06:17 VanessaE        Dogzilla131_: suggest swapping the recipes for US and British flags - "red white and blue" is a common phrase here describing the colors of the US flag, while Britons I guess call their the "Union Jack" rather than by its colors.
06:21 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, 1297 here, and i got just 7 mods
06:22 RealBadAngel    now you see the point for set_nodedef_meta
06:23 VanessaE        heh
06:23 VanessaE        I guess, but then we don't get to artificially pad those numbers ;)
06:23 VanessaE        besides,
06:23 VanessaE        there is one problem:
06:24 RealBadAngel    go on
06:24 VanessaE        how do you reconcile mods that rely on modifying a node's definition to get all the shapes, against creative inventory?
06:24 VanessaE        where all the shapes have to be there to give the player something to select.
06:24 RealBadAngel    how much ticket to finland costs? ;)
06:25 RealBadAngel    creative is always one model no matter what
06:25 RealBadAngel    what is on the ground creative gives no fuck
06:25 VanessaE        so you're suggesting dozens of models of something in creative, but the textures/colors thereof being assigned in realtime?
06:25 RealBadAngel    STOP!
06:25 VanessaE        (dozens as in various shapes of stairs for example)
06:26 RealBadAngel    turn around and go to the starting point
06:26 VanessaE        ok ok ok
06:26 VanessaE        wait.
06:26 RealBadAngel    ONE definition
06:26 VanessaE        you stop for a second.
06:26 VanessaE        listen:
06:26 RealBadAngel    ok
06:27 VanessaE        Ok.
06:27 RealBadAngel    so whos listening?
06:27 RealBadAngel    :)
06:27 VanessaE        Suppose you want to write a mod that adds six objects:  a sphere, a pyramid, and a slab, each in two colors.
06:28 VanessaE        in the existing situation, all 6 are in creative inventory.
06:28 RealBadAngel    yes
06:28 VanessaE        in your solution, what would be the case?
06:28 RealBadAngel    now:
06:28 VanessaE        in just this hypothetical mod
06:28 RealBadAngel    divided by two
06:29 RealBadAngel    sphere, pyramid and slab
06:29 VanessaE        ok
06:29 VanessaE        good.
06:29 VanessaE        now,
06:29 RealBadAngel    with colorized textures on demand
06:29 VanessaE        how does the user tell which color the selected object shall be?
06:29 RealBadAngel    by using paint?
06:29 VanessaE        ok.
06:29 VanessaE        now..
06:29 VanessaE        let's try a different tack:
06:30 RealBadAngel    wait a sec
06:30 VanessaE        no, wait.
06:30 VanessaE        let me finish.
06:30 VanessaE        Suppose you want to write a mod that adds six objects:  a sphere, a pyramid, and a slab, each in available in three PATTERNS - brick, cobblestone, glass.
06:30 VanessaE        that's 9 objects in creative inventory.  How will you do this?
06:30 VanessaE        remember:  creative mode is NOT supposed to require crafting.
06:31 RealBadAngel    youre tryin to approach the problem from the very end. like decidin the furniture for kithchen before its made
06:31 VanessaE        s/"six objects"/"nine objects"/
06:31 RealBadAngel    look at the simpler objects
06:32 RealBadAngel    the pipe or the wire
06:32 VanessaE        yes
06:32 RealBadAngel    we do have now 64 definitions
06:32 VanessaE        for those, this makes perfect sense.
06:32 VanessaE        but you're still missing the point:
06:32 RealBadAngel    lets cut it to 1
06:32 RealBadAngel    not really
06:33 RealBadAngel    introduce phases
06:33 VanessaE        phases?
06:33 RealBadAngel    animation phase=1,2,3,4....
06:33 RealBadAngel    what you have just got?
06:33 VanessaE        I don't follow.
06:33 RealBadAngel    PUMP! for example
06:33 VanessaE        ok
06:33 VanessaE        right,
06:34 VanessaE        so you suggest placing one object in the world and then re-defining that object periodically to animate it.
06:34 RealBadAngel    within one node definition
06:34 RealBadAngel    yes
06:34 RealBadAngel    c55 made the patch
06:34 RealBadAngel    its working
06:34 VanessaE        ok.
06:34 VanessaE        fine, that works okay.
06:34 VanessaE        but you are *still* missing a point:
06:35 VanessaE        you propose also that this should work for something like coloredwoods or unifiedbricks, right?
06:35 RealBadAngel    im all *eyes* now
06:35 RealBadAngel    all of it
06:35 VanessaE        so instead of 87 bricks in the creative inventory, there's 1.
06:35 RealBadAngel    yes
06:35 VanessaE        ok,
06:35 VanessaE        now:
06:36 VanessaE        the user picks that one brick item from the creative inventory and places it in their hotbar.
06:36 RealBadAngel    can i be faster with an answer?
06:36 RealBadAngel    modified one drops original
06:36 VanessaE        they place a few in their world.  How, *without crafting*, do they say "I want this brick to be green, this one over here to be red, and this one to be blue"?
06:37 RealBadAngel    blue or red will be lost
06:37 VanessaE        nonononononono
06:37 RealBadAngel    you dig non painted one back
06:37 VanessaE        I don't mean when the object is picked up.
06:37 VanessaE        I mean when you place it on the ground in the first place.
06:37 RealBadAngel    yes
06:37 VanessaE        how do you tell the game you want each one to be a specific color?
06:38 VanessaE        *without crafting*
06:38 VanessaE        remember, this is creative mode.
06:38 RealBadAngel    exactly
06:38 VanessaE        argh!
06:38 VanessaE        hush.
06:38 VanessaE        listen to me.
06:38 RealBadAngel    i will place a wood
06:38 RealBadAngel    take a paint
06:38 VanessaE        stop right there.
06:38 RealBadAngel    and colour it
06:38 RealBadAngel    it will be coloured
06:38 VanessaE        nononononono
06:39 Calinou         hi
06:39 RealBadAngel    but it wont be an item from creative
06:39 VanessaE        shush dammit
06:39 VanessaE        hey Calinou.
06:39 VanessaE        listen.
06:39 RealBadAngel    hi calinou
06:39 RealBadAngel    yup
06:40 VanessaE        you're trying to say that in creative mode, this hypothetical mod will add no new objects in the creative inventory?
06:40 RealBadAngel    just the basic ones
06:40 VanessaE        in other words:
06:40 RealBadAngel    without any modifications
06:40 VanessaE        "untextured sphere", "untextured pyramid", "untextured slab"
06:41 VanessaE        yes?
06:41 RealBadAngel    most simple"
06:41 RealBadAngel    furnace and furnace_active
06:41 VanessaE        same difference.  three objects, using the hypothetical example.
06:41 RealBadAngel    no need
06:41 VanessaE        let's stick to the example.
06:41 RealBadAngel    if active replace just one texture
06:42 Calinou         <offtopic> /me just ran a glxgears: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1381343/ </offtopic>
06:42 Calinou         :D
06:42 Calinou         try to beat this
06:42 RealBadAngel    if you decided to colour your wood red apply red filter to original wood texture
06:42 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: wait wait wait wait wait wait
06:43 VanessaE        so sticking strictly to the hypothetical example mod, we have three new, probably greyish objects in the creative inventory, "simple sphere", "simple pyramid", "simple slab".
06:43 VanessaE        Calinou: beats the shit outta mine (~8400 fps)
06:43 RealBadAngel    Calinou, we know why NASA cannot send mission to Mars
06:43 RealBadAngel    youre stolen their mainframe :P
06:43 Calinou         :>
06:44 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, ok, go on
06:45 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: the player picks "simple pyramid" from the creative inventory and places it in their hot bar.  The user wants the pyramid to have a brick texture.  Without crafting anything or applying any kind of modification to that pyramid, how to they place a brick pyramid into their world if all they have is a "simple" one?
06:45 VanessaE        the answer is, "they have to paint/texture it" = "they have to modify it"
06:46 RealBadAngel    i think you just went a bit too far
06:46 RealBadAngel    i was thinkin of modyfing objecst predefined
06:46 VanessaE        maybe, but the average player will do this, so you have to plan for it.
06:46 RealBadAngel    like the furnace on/off
06:47 RealBadAngel    or the wires
06:47 VanessaE        ok, so you're thinking strictly of modifying an object the user will never manually apply that modification to, like building a waterworks or complicated circuit
06:47 RealBadAngel    that was the idea
06:47 VanessaE        where each object placed gets modified by the code in realtime to place only the thing needed.
06:47 RealBadAngel    but i can see it can be pushed further
06:48 VanessaE        it can be pushed further, i.e. my brick pyramid example.
06:48 mrtux           Goodnight.
06:48 RealBadAngel    paint is simpler example
06:48 VanessaE        anything that need only a few colors/patterns need not have 10,000 nodes defined in creative inventory
06:48 RealBadAngel    just paint your walls
06:48 VanessaE        yes.
06:48 VanessaE        but, the user wants to take a colored wall and place it *already colored* into the world.
06:48 OldCoder        It is time rest the head
06:48 RealBadAngel    no way
06:48 OldCoder        Perhaps in bed
06:48 OldCoder        Zzz
06:49 RealBadAngel    that could not be done
06:49 VanessaE        you want to place a bare, unpainted homedecor picket fence and have the player paint it white
06:49 VanessaE        yes?
06:49 RealBadAngel    you place base
06:49 RealBadAngel    then work on it
06:49 VanessaE        then hit it with a paintbrush tool and it turns white.
06:49 RealBadAngel    once picked it will become a base
06:50 RealBadAngel    no matter mona lisa was there
06:50 RealBadAngel    thats node definition restriction
06:50 RealBadAngel    just one
06:51 VanessaE        ok then what's needed is an extra row of slots at the bottom of the standard inventory section, "Modifiers" where the player can hole many colors of paint or textures or whatever.
06:51 RealBadAngel    hey hey
06:51 VanessaE        hold*
06:51 RealBadAngel    youre a jumper
06:51 VanessaE        yep, I am
06:51 VanessaE        I jump to the end result :-)
06:52 RealBadAngel    16 base colours
06:52 VanessaE        I get plenty of exercise dodging questions and jumping to conclusions :D
06:52 RealBadAngel    womenish
06:52 VanessaE        :P
06:52 RealBadAngel    hehehe
06:52 VanessaE        seriously though
06:52 RealBadAngel    sure
06:53 kaeza           RBA: I like your idea (sorry Vanessa :) )
06:53 VanessaE        the player is *going* to want their mods to put everything into creative inventory, and sooner or later someone's gonna make a mod that uses this modified-in-realtime-nodes thing that works realyl 8really* well but behaves wrongly with creative mode.
06:53 RealBadAngel    :)
06:53 VanessaE        *really really*
06:54 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, stop please
06:54 * VanessaE      stops and gives up.
06:54 RealBadAngel    this way gonna REDUCE creative
06:54 RealBadAngel    like 10 times
06:54 RealBadAngel    you wont have modified ones in creative
06:55 RealBadAngel    like we are using not_in_creative_inventory=1
06:55 kaeza           I see the point in RBA's idea... I think... It happens with unified bricks. You have 4671 colors of brick blocks, 4671 colors of bricks, 4671 colors of clay lumps, and 4671 colors of clay
06:55 RealBadAngel    if user will modify a node
06:56 RealBadAngel    it will stay with this EXACT node
06:56 RealBadAngel    one and only
06:57 kaeza           what if you put 4671 paint colors, and just one of each of brick block, brick, clay lump, and clay?
06:57 RealBadAngel    so if you want to have ZILION of differently painted cobble, go on, take your time
06:57 RealBadAngel    happy running around with paint
06:58 kaeza           just sayin'
06:59 kaeza           oh and BTW I lol'd at your discussion :)
06:59 RealBadAngel    lol
06:59 RealBadAngel    be my guest
06:59 kaeza           :P
07:00 VanessaE        bac
07:00 RealBadAngel    are we even now? ;)
07:00 VanessaE        back*
07:00 kaeza           wb
07:01 VanessaE        the problem you're not getting RBA is that creative mode is supposed to just let you build without crafting anything, and that includes without having to paint/texture an object after it's been placed in the world.
07:01 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, i agree with with the ideas that can push it further
07:01 VanessaE        which means your idea can only really work with things like wires, pipes, etc.
07:01 RealBadAngel    partially
07:01 RealBadAngel    youre going c55 way now
07:01 VanessaE        things where it only makes sense for some algorithm to decide what is actually placed when the user places an object.
07:02 RealBadAngel    youre seeing the horizon and thinkin if its possible to get there
07:02 RealBadAngel    but havent made a single step
07:03 VanessaE        no, I'm seeing the point of view of a normal player who barely knows how to install a mod and play the game.
07:03 RealBadAngel    we are both coders
07:03 VanessaE        "Why can't I place a red brick in the world all I see are simple grey bricks do I have to paint them why aren't they in the creatvie inventory"
07:03 VanessaE        (typos deliberate)
07:04 VanessaE        this is what you're gonna see.
07:04 RealBadAngel    110% perfect code was never made at the start
07:04 VanessaE        heh
07:04 VanessaE        with me, 100% perfect code was never made, period :D
07:04 kaeza           I think the average player will find it easier to place a base and "paint" than to craft a normal base with a dye.
07:04 VanessaE        kaeza: oh sure, in *survival* mode that makes perfect sense.
07:04 VanessaE        RBA's idea is a good one, for that mode.
07:05 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, let us MERGE it
07:05 kaeza           Don't take me wrong, I also see your point.
07:05 VanessaE        but for creative mode, the player expects to find the colored object already available for selection from the creative inventory.
07:05 RealBadAngel    then we can make whatever we want
07:05 kaeza           But cramming creative inv with 213849568624 objects is not smart either
07:06 VanessaE        I know.
07:06 VanessaE        it sucks.
07:06 RealBadAngel    We are talkin now bout usage of the hammer
07:06 RealBadAngel    of course it can be used for nails, and to murder some1
07:06 VanessaE        I hate having to page through 10000 nodes because each is only barely different from another, to get to just the right one.
07:06 RealBadAngel    up to coders ideas
07:06 VanessaE        but having just one instead of 10,000 means somewhere along the way, the player is going to have to craft something.
07:07 RealBadAngel    but the hammer is needed in the first place
07:07 VanessaE        (including crafting the tool that will be used to color the object, which will also surely be an un-textured/un-patterened base object)
07:07 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, not really
07:07 RealBadAngel    like for the wires
07:07 VanessaE        yes yes for wires, pipes, tubes this makes sense.
07:08 VanessaE        craft one, place with impunity and let the computer handle routing it.
07:08 kaeza           Okay, so now we have 1000 dyes and 1000 buckets/cans of paint
07:08 RealBadAngel    code will decide bout connections and make proper ones realtime
07:08 VanessaE        that's fine.
07:08 kaeza           it's still better than 1000 of each textured/colored object
07:08 VanessaE        kaeza: exactly. Sooner or later you have to give the user access to the colors/paints/patterns/textures that are to be applied to that base object.
07:09 VanessaE        and there's really only two ways to do that:  put them into the inventory, or put them into some kind of special menu.
07:09 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, youre completely wrong
07:10 RealBadAngel    i can have 16 color filters
07:10 VanessaE        and where does the user see them?
07:10 RealBadAngel    and apply them to any node in the world
07:10 RealBadAngel    in the world?
07:11 VanessaE        your 16 colors of filters.  Where will they be shown to the user?
07:11 VanessaE        as objects they can paint with?
07:11 RealBadAngel    bucket of paint
07:11 VanessaE        ok.  bucket of paint.
07:11 RealBadAngel    is a filter
07:11 VanessaE        16 buckets of paints.
07:11 VanessaE        and where will they be found?  In the creative inventory, right?
07:12 RealBadAngel    yes
07:12 VanessaE        ok.
07:12 RealBadAngel    like tools
07:12 RealBadAngel    or brushes whatever
07:12 VanessaE        Now, instead of 16, we have 87 (the unified dyes palette), plus a brick, clay, clay block, fence, stick, wood planks.
07:12 RealBadAngel    so
07:12 VanessaE        right?
07:13 RealBadAngel    get clean brush
07:13 VanessaE        wait.
07:13 VanessaE        "get clean brush"...how?
07:13 RealBadAngel    prepare mixed colour paint
07:13 VanessaE        where does the clean brush come from?
07:13 RealBadAngel    craft, basic tool
07:13 VanessaE        ok.
07:13 VanessaE        already creative mode has been violated.
07:13 RealBadAngel    wool, stick, stick
07:13 VanessaE        "craft" != creative mode.
07:14 VanessaE        so this clean brush needs to be in the creative inventory.  That's fine, it's only one object.
07:14 RealBadAngel    then use clean brush on the prepared can of paint
07:14 VanessaE        ok, and the "prepared can of paint" comes from where?
07:14 RealBadAngel    so you got a tool to colorize somethin for lets say 10 times
07:15 RealBadAngel    up to you
07:15 VanessaE        wait, don't go so fast.
07:15 VanessaE        the "prepared can of paint" comes from where?
07:15 RealBadAngel    youre of dyes and paints
07:15 kaeza           That's what I'm also saying Van
07:15 VanessaE        ok, that means all 87 colors have to be in the creative inventory.
07:15 kaeza           you only have to have 16 buckets in creative inv
07:16 kaeza           yes but only 87
07:16 RealBadAngel    youre playing with gimp
07:16 kaeza           no 87 bricks/clay/etc
07:16 RealBadAngel    make 87 filters
07:16 VanessaE        kaeza: right, so far we agree.
07:16 VanessaE        now...
07:16 VanessaE        here's the sticking point:
07:16 RealBadAngel    to colorize anything in the world
07:17 VanessaE        we have 87 colors in the inventory plus a clean painting tool (which I assume reverts back to "clean" when used 10 times), plus one each of simple wood planks, bricks, fences, etc.
07:17 VanessaE        right
07:17 VanessaE        ?
07:17 kaeza           right
07:17 kaeza           so you have 87+1 objects
07:17 VanessaE        well 87 + 1 + around 6 or so, but yeah.
07:17 kaeza           you get the point
07:18 VanessaE        so that's 94 nodes instead of 500-some.  That's fair.
07:18 kaeza           yes
07:18 VanessaE        now.
07:19 VanessaE        er, not nodes - items/object.
07:19 VanessaE        Put a player in front of this design, with only these 94 objects in front of them.
07:19 RealBadAngel    is this red?: no, yes, definitely not, propably not, maybe, who knows, i will ask Barbara, who cares?, oh yes it is, but no, of course it is red
07:19 RealBadAngel    leave such questions to users :)
07:20 RealBadAngel    providing tools is more improtant
07:20 VanessaE        the user grabs "dark green dye", a paint tool, and "plain wood planks".  They place a bunch of "plain wood planks" in their world.
07:20 kaeza           yes
07:20 VanessaE        they paint them by crafting paint tool + dark green dye and then striking the wood planks with the now green painting tool
07:21 kaeza           uh huh
07:21 VanessaE        ok.
07:21 VanessaE        now, they've used up a portion of paint/dye/whatever it's called.  They decide "oops, I need to move that wall over by 1".  They tear down the wall and re-erect it, but now it's plain/unpainted again.
07:22 VanessaE        the player's gonna pull a serious "wtf!?" at that.
07:22 RealBadAngel    ive reconstructed inventory cubes meanwhile
07:22 kaeza           maybe also add a paint thinner (is tht the word) to revert back
07:22 VanessaE        does the player get back the dye they used?
07:22 kaeza           that*
07:22 RealBadAngel    shouldnt
07:23 RealBadAngel    eating the cake you get cake back?
07:23 kaeza           bad analogy
07:23 RealBadAngel    well you can
07:23 RealBadAngel    but its not nice
07:24 RealBadAngel    assume just not
07:25 kaeza           maybe also add a paint thinner (is tht the word) to revert back to the base material (planks)
07:25 kaeza           that*
07:25 RealBadAngel    not needed
07:25 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: in the real world, if you tear down that green wall, you still have a green, if damaged, wall.
07:25 VanessaE        the wall doesn't suddenly lose its color.
07:25 RealBadAngel    pickin it up will automagically revert it to the base
07:27 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, right
07:27 VanessaE        ok, so we all agree that in this example, 94 items can replace 500-some in the case of the unified dyes model, or 23 replaces 136 or so in your 16-color model.
07:27 RealBadAngel    but this way if you want a node green painted to be permament
07:27 RealBadAngel    you shall define it before
07:28 kaeza           when did videogames respect the laws in reality? where did Gordon Freeman put the Glock, MP5, EGON, RPG, Gauss Gun, 10 grenades, 20 creepy aliens, and 10 laser trip mines then?
07:28 VanessaE        yes, but you're speaking from the standpoint of what the coder wants, not what the player is going to expect.
07:28 RealBadAngel    im talkin all the time to temporary changes to already placed nodes
07:28 VanessaE        right.
07:28 VanessaE        I'm saying some mod author is going to try to use this to do more than what it's intended for.
07:29 RealBadAngel    they can persist as long node is placed
07:29 VanessaE        just like sapier uses wielditems to create rudimentary 3d mobs.
07:29 RealBadAngel    when picked up, we got its definition, unmodified
07:29 kaeza           brb
07:30 VanessaE        now, on a different issue.
07:30 VanessaE        leaving behind the uncolored-items thing and moving on to animation.
07:30 RealBadAngel    ok
07:30 ruskie          *yawn*
07:31 kaeza           what's up ruskie
07:31 * RealBadAngel  pours some beer into open wide
07:31 VanessaE        celeron55 said that if you execute this modify-in-place code against a node that's already in the world, say a dirt block, it effectively adds a new, modified version of that node to the game's internal node registry.
07:31 VanessaE        so instead of one dirt node, we have two.
07:31 VanessaE        what happens if you modify the modified node?
07:31 VanessaE        do we now have three?
07:32 RealBadAngel    a node
07:32 RealBadAngel    each one is unique
07:32 VanessaE        yeah, like in his original example where he turned an already-existing dirt node into dirt stairs
07:33 kaeza           What about defining nodes with not_in_creative_inventory?
07:33 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/nodedef.png
07:33 VanessaE        now we have a dirt node and a dirt stairs node.  Suppose now you modify the dirt stairs to look like a fence.  Do we now have three nodes (dirt, dirt stairs, dirt fence), or just two (dirt, dirt fence)?
07:34 RealBadAngel    look again at this screenshot
07:34 VanessaE        I saw it, rba.
07:34 VanessaE        it does not answer my question.
07:34 RealBadAngel    yes it does
07:34 RealBadAngel    its still a dirt node
07:34 VanessaE        no, it doesn't.  I don't see a number in there anywhere.
07:34 VanessaE        how.  many.  nodes.  do.  we.  have.  now..?
07:34 VanessaE        :-)
07:35 RealBadAngel    ONE node can be modified
07:35 RealBadAngel    thats a point
07:35 VanessaE        node *definitions*
07:35 RealBadAngel    not
07:35 RealBadAngel    not definitions
07:35 VanessaE        c55 said this gets added to the game's internal list of nodes, did he not?
07:35 RealBadAngel    existing and placed nodes
07:35 VanessaE        yes
07:36 VanessaE        if you start the game and it has 100 defined nodes, and you modify one in the world, now it has 101.
07:36 VanessaE        that's what I got from the conversation.
07:36 RealBadAngel    i need to read the code
07:36 VanessaE        you're saying there are still 100 defined nodes and now the map contains one node that has been modified at the map level.
07:37 RealBadAngel    if he did it this way thats wrong
07:37 VanessaE        e.g. the modifications don't exist anywhere except in the map where that particular, modified node sits
07:37 VanessaE        you better check it
07:37 RealBadAngel    node modifications shall hold the meta of the node
07:38 VanessaE        because, and I hope I'm wrong, his way makes 101 nodes out of the 100 the game started with in this example.  and then 102 if you modify that node again, then 103 if you do it yet again.
07:38 VanessaE        at least that's how I understand it from the conversation.
07:38 RealBadAngel    i will check it
07:38 VanessaE        I can't read his code for no love or money, so I can't check.
07:39 kaeza           doesn't the game keep a list of "similar" nodes
07:39 kaeza           ?
07:39 VanessaE        kaeza: not as far as I am aware.  the game doesn't have such a concept.
07:39 VanessaE        again I may be wrong
07:39 kaeza           How about defining nodes with not_in_creative_inventory?
07:39 VanessaE        kaeza: I already do that in my mods where necessary.
07:40 VanessaE        all of the pipes for example, there are 64 of each kind, but only one appears in the cretive inventory
07:40 RealBadAngel    kaeza, it done like this now
07:40 RealBadAngel    and mods are defining hundreds of nodes
07:40 kaeza           yes, but you define 16 colored nodes with not_in_creative_inventory, and just expose the base one
07:41 RealBadAngel    then youre sittin at black screen waitin for game to launch
07:41 kaeza           oh crap, you're right
07:41 kaeza           forget what i said
07:41 VanessaE        you suck :)
07:41 RealBadAngel    1297 visible in creative
07:41 kaeza           :(
07:41 VanessaE        just kidding :)
07:42 RealBadAngel    means like 3000 at all
07:42 kaeza           :P
07:42 VanessaE        haha
07:42 VanessaE        maybe not quite *that* many RBA :-)
07:42 RealBadAngel    maybe, but close
07:42 VanessaE        probably closer to 1800 tops :-)
07:43 kaeza           what about that thing you were saying about nodes modified in-place?
07:43 RealBadAngel    anyway
07:43 VanessaE        kaeza: no one does that yet, it's too new and not even part of mainstream code yet
07:43 RealBadAngel    furnace shall be one object
07:43 RealBadAngel    not 2
07:43 kaeza           oh
07:43 RealBadAngel    despite colorizing
07:43 kaeza           When will it become official?
07:44 VanessaE        what RBA's saying is this modify-in-place method is good for stuff where the computer already decides what to place and when to place things.
07:44 VanessaE        which is good.
07:44 VanessaE        it's a good idea for that.
07:44 RealBadAngel    agreed
07:44 kaeza           ok thanks for enlightening me :)
07:45 RealBadAngel    no problemo
07:45 kaeza           no hay problema*
07:45 VanessaE        pipes, wires, anything that has more than one state
07:45 RealBadAngel    whatever, just bring the beer ;)
07:46 VanessaE        heh
07:46 VanessaE        keep yer beer, bring wine coolers :-)
07:46 RealBadAngel    i havent made wine this year sadly
07:47 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: so, read the code and get back to me when you find out I'm right and you're wrong ;D
07:47 VanessaE        then go kick celeron55's ass :D
07:48 RealBadAngel    first of all i want to have hardcoded possibility to change cached textures
07:48 RealBadAngel    and nodeboxes
07:48 VanessaE        I'll tell you what I'd love to see before all of this:
07:49 VanessaE        some kind of fucking progress display during the black screen, like what some windows users can see, where textures flick by rapidly during the texture extrude and render steps
07:49 VanessaE        make that actually official.
07:49 VanessaE        it's enough to tell the user something is happening.
07:50 VanessaE        brb
07:50 RealBadAngel    how would you measure that?
07:50 VanessaE        I wouldn't.
07:50 kaeza           maybe counting the amount of textures?
07:50 VanessaE        just display the textures as each is processed.
07:50 RealBadAngel    40%of c55 loaded, please be patient? :)
07:50 VanessaE        any kind of activity is better than a black screen as long as it makes sense.
07:51 RealBadAngel    i made once somethin almost impossible
07:51 kaeza           you have 100 textures to load, and loaded 50 so far. So what's the magic number?
07:51 RealBadAngel    inside procedure that was reading data from tape
07:51 RealBadAngel    ive put tetris
07:52 kaeza           wat
07:52 RealBadAngel    so user when loading the main program was able to play it
07:53 RealBadAngel    it was hard to make
07:53 kaeza           The Playstation game "The Four Fantastic" had a mini racing game.
07:53 kaeza           The Fantastic Four*
07:54 RealBadAngel    kaeza before it was nothing like this
07:54 RealBadAngel    i had to sit with a book
07:54 RealBadAngel    and count CPU cycles
07:54 kaeza           of course it's harder to make if the machine is loading tapes an you cannot squeeze much out of a 2MHz CPU
07:54 RealBadAngel    to make it work
07:55 RealBadAngel    then if you have some "if" statements
07:55 RealBadAngel    code changed
07:55 RealBadAngel    and you had to put there NOP
07:55 kaeza           I get your point, I'm not that young
07:55 RealBadAngel    No Operation
07:56 RealBadAngel    to have all the possible ways working the same exact time
07:57 RealBadAngel    i was trimming tetris downloader for like a month
07:59 VanessaE        back again/
08:00 kaeza           wb
08:00 VanessaE        sounds a lot like tape loader music in the c64 world.  Similar stuff had to be done for that too.
08:01 kaeza           and the speccy used that for some soft also. Don't remember the name of the game though, think it was Larry
08:02 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: so, how long till you have a suitable patch for the above-requested progress display? :D
08:02 kaeza           It would progressively show an image while the colored stripes where flying in the screen
08:02 VanessaE        textures flicking by down in the corner plus a percentage-loaded display makes sense to me.
08:02 VanessaE        look at the way OpenArena does it
08:03 kaeza           VanessaE: +100
08:03 VanessaE        well no, I guess OA's example is a little too different, but point is it displays lots of stuff, most of it doesn't make any sense to me anyway :-)
08:05 kaeza           I think basing the percentage display on the number of textures/mods found is good estimation
08:05 VanessaE        yes
08:05 VanessaE        and if it has to estimate, it should try to overestimate how many textures have to be loaded, so the user never sees it get stuck at 100% :-)
08:06 kaeza           good for me
08:06 kaeza           estimate let's say 10 textures per mod
08:06 VanessaE        hah
08:06 kaeza           maybe more
08:07 VanessaE        lots more :-)
08:07 VanessaE        homedecor has 230 :-)
08:07 kaeza           lol the new moreflags mod has about 250
08:07 VanessaE        wow
08:07 kaeza           Dogzilla is working on it
08:08 kaeza           so not all textures are used yet
08:08 kaeza           PilzAdam, must have arond 50
08:08 kaeza           farming*
08:08 kaeza           around*
08:09 VanessaE        36.
08:09 VanessaE        at least in the copy I have
08:09 kaeza           yes. didn't check mine
08:09 VanessaE        (my copy is probably quite out of date)
08:10 VanessaE        wonder which one has the most?  probably technic
08:10 VanessaE        nope, only 221 there.
08:10 kaeza           prolly
08:11 kaeza           oh so you win this time :)
08:11 kaeza           K/K
08:11 VanessaE        lol
08:11 kaeza           J/K*
08:11 kaeza           but most mods won't use that much, so let's say 50 is a good estimate
08:12 VanessaE        moreflags has 18 right now as of 0.1
08:13 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: by the way, some of your commit msgs in technic suck ;-)
08:13 kaeza           lol
08:13 kaeza           so true
08:13 kaeza           :P
08:15 RealBadAngel    i know
08:15 RealBadAngel    feel free to rape me for that
08:15 VanessaE        lol
08:15 VanessaE        I'm only kidding anyway :-)
08:16 Calinou         even iOS app developers have better commit messages
08:16 Calinou         "Improved performance" every update.. :P
08:16 VanessaE        heh
08:17 RealBadAngel    when i posted a simple glitch fix
08:17 RealBadAngel    shall i wrote a book on it?
08:17 VanessaE        the message was "1"
08:17 VanessaE        :-)
08:17 RealBadAngel    i did that?
08:17 VanessaE        yep
08:17 RealBadAngel    uh
08:17 VanessaE        https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/commit/a9325f3088cd1b1318307592114478339004886d
08:18 VanessaE        "2"
08:18 RealBadAngel    i guess itt was while testin git client
08:18 VanessaE        possibly
08:18 RealBadAngel    when i moved to linux
08:18 VanessaE        of "fix", or "update", etc. :-)
08:19 Calinou         RealBadAngel: when did you move to linux?
08:19 RealBadAngel    3 weeks ago i think
08:19 VanessaE        it's okay, my git skills are totally unpolished anyway :-)
08:19 RealBadAngel    debian now
08:19 Calinou         debian stable?
08:19 RealBadAngel    yep
08:19 Calinou         lol
08:19 Calinou         debian rusty :P
08:19 VanessaE        lol
08:20 Calinou         "debian exists in three flavours: rusty, stale and broken"
08:20 VanessaE        and here I was ready with inb4 harshlinux ;)
08:20 VanessaE        lol
08:20 RealBadAngel    i dont complain
08:20 RealBadAngel    once installed its working here
08:20 RealBadAngel    no shutdowns
08:20 Calinou         it does for 10% of people
08:20 Calinou         zero firmware by default :|
08:20 VanessaE        ok, time to get to bed.
08:20 VanessaE        night all.
08:20 Calinou         night
08:21 RealBadAngel    nite
08:21 kaeza           <offtopic>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/507c7ec258c79.gif</offtopic>
08:22 RealBadAngel    Calinou, im a coder so i think i fit that 10%
08:23 kaeza           RBA: Tried Puppy Linux? A full-featured compact distro.
08:32 BambooVase      Is there an available deb package for minetest?
08:34 RealBadAngel    easier to compile one
08:36 BambooVase      RealBadAngel: I compiled before but it takes 4 hours. So no deb packages available? 0.3 is the only package and its too old
08:41 RealBadAngel    4 hours??????
08:42 RealBadAngel    it takes 2-3 minutes on my 3 yrs old box
08:42 RealBadAngel    have you dug out 386 or something?
08:46 BambooVase      its a p4 1.8
08:47 BambooVase      whats the specs on that "old box"?
08:56 ruskie          erm... that doesn't take that much on my amd e-350 box
08:58 BambooVase      so I must be doing something wrong.. anyways I will compile now
09:12 BambooVase      hmmm nyuszika7h.. i saw that name before
09:13 nyuszika7h      maybe, I tend to idle here, but I only chat rarely when I'm interested in things related to Minetest :P
09:14 BambooVase      do you go to #wolfgame?
09:19 KikaRz          Hi there pipolz :)
09:21 ecube           ;)
09:22 KikaRz          Yay
09:22 KikaRz          ecube is here :)
09:22 KikaRz          how are you ? :)
09:36 KikaRz          hi johny minetesta
09:36 KikaRz          ;P
09:38 KikaRz          Hate this fruit mod
09:38 KikaRz          it lags the server;
09:38 KikaRz          makes items dropped lag the server
09:38 KikaRz          and clearobjects take al ot
09:41 KikaRz          GJIAS=(FQ"#/
09:41 KikaRz          how i restart server by command?
09:47 KikaRz          HUH'
09:47 KikaRz          ?
09:48 KikaRz          Now : Who griefed M13 server?
09:53 * anunakki      yawns
09:56 KikaRz          hate that fruits mod
09:59 KikaRz          Guys
09:59 KikaRz          anunakki or someone
09:59 KikaRz          how i restart the server by chat?
10:04 KikaRz          come on
10:04 KikaRz          Tell me please
10:21 Aqua            hi
10:22 Aqua            anyone?
10:22 KikaRz          Me
10:22 KikaRz          How i restart my server by ingame chat?
10:22 KikaRz          i got server priv
10:23 Aqua            i dont think you can restart using chat........
10:23 KikaRz          fuck this bug
10:23 Aqua            what do u mean restart?
10:23 KikaRz          Yea
10:23 KikaRz          well
10:23 KikaRz          like: shutting down server and starting it
10:23 KikaRz          thats restart
10:23 Aqua            r u Zigz1
10:23 KikaRz          Nope
10:23 KikaRz          o_o'
10:23 Aqua            ohh sorry
10:23 Aqua            wrong person\
10:24 KikaRz          my server is with some bugs
10:24 KikaRz          and i need to restart it
10:24 Aqua            just quit minetest and restart  it.....
10:25 KikaRz          ...
10:25 KikaRz          NOT THAT
10:25 KikaRz          my vps is being fixed, but my server is in there online
10:25 KikaRz          i cant enter into my vps
10:25 KikaRz          and i need to restart servr
10:26 Aqua            i dont know
10:26 KikaRz          Calinou
10:27 Aqua            ask a moderator or someone with a much bigger knowledge then me
10:27 KikaRz          OldCoder is away.
10:28 Aqua            do you know lua?
10:28 KikaRz          Yes.
10:28 KikaRz          a bit.
10:29 Aqua            you know how to make mods?
10:29 KikaRz          Block mods
10:29 KikaRz          *nodes mods
10:30 Aqua            hav u made one b4?
10:30 KikaRz          yep
10:30 Aqua            on the forums?
10:30 KikaRz          not public release
10:30 Aqua            o ok
10:31 Aqua            i wanna make a texture pack but i cant be bothered
10:32 Aqua            textures take the longest
10:32 Aqua            have u tried nubelites pvp server?
10:33 BambooVase      Ok i compiled the latest version 0.4.3 and i cant create a new world on singleplayer
10:33 Aqua            compiled it on wat>?
10:33 BambooVase      debian/linux
10:33 Aqua            did it work?
10:33 KikaRz          Be sure that there is a worlds folder
10:33 KikaRz          and what error gives you?
10:34 BambooVase      where do put the worlds folder?
10:34 KikaRz          minetest/ folder
10:34 KikaRz          there shall be a worlds folder
10:35 KikaRz          RealBadAngel
10:35 KikaRz          How i restart my server by chat?
10:35 BambooVase      Theres a world folder. when I click new>type world name>create. nothing happens
10:35 RealBadAngel    hi again
10:35 RealBadAngel    no way
10:35 Aqua            hi
10:35 KikaRz          GRRR
10:35 RealBadAngel    shut it down
10:35 Aqua            told u
10:35 KikaRz          so?
10:35 KikaRz          how?
10:36 RealBadAngel    kill the process
10:36 KikaRz          ...
10:36 KikaRz          not in my computer
10:36 KikaRz          in the vps (its in maintance but the server still running)
10:36 RealBadAngel    so u have to wait for acess
10:36 KikaRz          itll be in 8 hours!!!
10:37 Aqua            rba is port fowarding dangerous?
10:37 RealBadAngel    not
10:37 Aqua            is port fowarding dangerous?
10:38 KikaRz          RealBadANgel
10:38 RealBadAngel    its not
10:38 KikaRz          there isnt no command to shut down the server? i got anti crash on it
10:39 RealBadAngel    hmmm
10:39 Aqua            but doesnt port fowarding allow others in?
10:39 RealBadAngel    try to change ur password to the empty one
10:39 RealBadAngel    that shall crash ur server
10:40 KikaRz          Password change successful
10:40 RealBadAngel    with empty?
10:40 KikaRz          all empty?
10:41 KikaRz          Old Password empty
10:41 KikaRz          New password empty
10:41 KikaRz          confirm password empty ?
10:41 RealBadAngel    yes
10:41 KikaRz          Invalid old password supplied. Password NOT changed
10:42 Ragnar_         hi
10:42 RealBadAngel    https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/3ba9b263103d2cd5218246b05d19b6485347ae28
10:42 RealBadAngel    i was talkin bout this
10:42 Aqua            hi
10:42 Ragnar_         hi aqua :D
10:42 RealBadAngel    maybe ur server got updated
10:43 Aqua            ragnar i signed up
10:43 Ragnar_         where?
10:43 Aqua            on ur site
10:43 Ragnar_         withch one :D
10:43 Ragnar_         the olympics one?
10:43 Ragnar_         btw, im making a mod...
10:43 Ragnar_         can u make the textures for it?
10:43 KikaRz          meh
10:44 Aqua            ok
10:44 Aqua            yeh the olympics :)
10:44 Aqua            brb
10:44 Ragnar_         ow, i didnt get an email thought
10:45 Ragnar_         ow i did :D
10:45 Ragnar_         just got it :d
10:45 Ragnar_         hey who is an artist or just REALLY good at making textures?
10:45 KikaRz          well, i know making textures
10:46 Ragnar_         can you make some for my mod?
10:46 BambooVase      hey guys is can you play singleplayer on 0.4.3? because when I create a map, the "select world:" is blank. Help
10:46 Ragnar_         idk...sorry
10:46 KikaRz          Did you re-entered game?
10:46 iqualfragile    hmm i just cant noclip/fast on singleplayer
10:46 RealBadAngel    create world at start
10:47 BambooVase      I closed and opened the game. but I still cant create a map
10:47 KikaRz          Whats the code line that allows us to get peaceful mobs?
10:47 KikaRz          like rats? *_*
10:47 Ragnar_         idk...not making such a mod...
10:47 KikaRz          enable_peaceful_mobs ?
10:47 KikaRz          or what?
10:49 KikaRz          looking into minetest.config.example
10:49 Ragnar_         hey KikaRz
10:49 Ragnar_         can u make some textures?
10:49 Ragnar_         i need 6 rune rextures...
10:49 KikaRz          rune?
10:50 Ragnar_         normal, fire, ice, water, earth, air
10:50 Ragnar_         yeah
10:50 Ragnar_         like magic stones
10:50 KikaRz          aah
10:50 Ragnar_         can u?
10:50 KikaRz          that ones
10:50 Ragnar_         yeah those
10:50 Ragnar_         then .zip them and upload them :D
10:54 Ragnar_         KikaRz?
10:54 Ragnar_         so can u?
10:54 KikaRz          wait
10:54 Ragnar_         ok :D
10:54 Ragnar_         btw, the runes are only a part of the mod textures...
10:54 Ragnar_         i still need alot more :D
10:55 Ragnar_         but first things first
10:55 Ragnar_         :D
10:59 Ragnar_         hey does somebody have an idea what should i use for an air rune?
10:59 Ragnar_         a normal rune and what?
10:59 Ragnar_         hi adam!
10:59 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
10:59 Ragnar_         hi!
10:59 Ragnar_         hey adam!
10:59 Ragnar_         guess what!
10:59 Ragnar_         im making a mod :d
11:00 Ragnar_         a HUGE mod
11:00 Calinou         12pm :>
11:00 Ragnar_         that will change the whole minetest universe
11:00 Ragnar_         :D
11:00 Ragnar_         hey adam!
11:00 Ragnar_         or calinou!
11:00 Calinou         hi
11:00 Ragnar_         what should i use for an air rune?
11:01 Ragnar_         a normal rune and what+
11:01 Ragnar_         i mean as the AIR part of it...
11:01 PilzAdam        leaves
11:01 Ragnar_         ow ok :D
11:01 Ragnar_         thats cheap :D
11:02 Ragnar_         hey adam!
11:02 Ragnar_         can u make some textures?
11:02 Ragnar_         for runes
11:02 Ragnar_         hey
11:02 PilzAdam        no, im not very good in creating textures
11:03 Ragnar_         ow ok...
11:03 KikaRz          Welcome back PilzAdam
11:03 Ragnar_         but...
11:03 KikaRz          welcome abck Calinou
11:03 Ragnar_         does the Snow Biomes mod have ice?
11:03 KikaRz          RBA (RealBadAngel),
11:03 KikaRz          I discovered a command
11:03 KikaRz          /shutdown
11:03 Ragnar_         wow!
11:03 Ragnar_         -.-
11:04 KikaRz          i know
11:04 Ragnar_         -.-
11:04 KikaRz          i discovered a command to turn off my server
11:04 Ragnar_         nobody cares...
11:04 KikaRz          it restartes
11:04 PilzAdam        <Ragnar_> does the Snow Biomes mod have ice? <- yes
11:04 KikaRz          No
11:04 KikaRz          They got lava
11:04 Ragnar_         ow nice :d
11:04 KikaRz          -.-
11:04 Ragnar_         so its snow:ice ?
11:04 PilzAdam        dunno
11:05 Ragnar_         ok...
11:05 Ragnar_         then...umm...can i get snow by digging it?
11:05 Ragnar_         then i could do water+snow=ice
11:05 PilzAdam        you get snowballs
11:05 Ragnar_         ow :D
11:05 KikaRz          no , you got testicles.
11:05 KikaRz          :P
11:05 Ragnar_         somebody kick that a***shole!
11:05 Ragnar_         please!
11:05 KikaRz          im a girl
11:06 KikaRz          and you started.
11:06 Ragnar_         ok, somebody kick that vaginahole!
11:06 Ragnar_         :D
11:06 KikaRz          <Ragnar_> wow!
11:06 KikaRz          <Ragnar_> -.-
11:06 KikaRz          <KikaRz> i know
11:06 KikaRz          <Ragnar_> -.-
11:06 KikaRz          <KikaRz> i discovered a command to turn off my server
11:06 Ragnar_         *just the tip*
11:06 KikaRz          <Ragnar_> nobody cares...
11:06 PilzAdam        Ragnar_, download the snow mod and look for the name of ice
11:06 Ragnar_         ok :d
11:06 Ragnar_         link?
11:07 PilzAdam        -> Forum
11:07 Ragnar_         wait got it :D
11:07 Ragnar_         hey btw...how do i get an overview of my map?
11:08 PilzAdam        install python and use the minetestmapper.py script that is in utils (or something like this) in your minetest copy
11:08 Ragnar_         thats confusing :S
11:08 Ragnar_         xD
11:10 KikaRz          No it isnt -.-
11:10 KikaRz          For reaching something, we need to work
11:10 KikaRz          not raining things.
11:10 Ragnar_         it is snow:ice xD
11:10 Ragnar_         damn, im smart as f***k xD
11:10 Ragnar_         hey adam1
11:11 Ragnar_         is_ground_content = true,
11:11 Ragnar_         that means, if you break it, it changes?
11:11 PilzAdam        it has no effect on anything
11:11 PilzAdam        its completly useless
11:11 Ragnar_         so you cant mine it and have it?
11:12 Ragnar_         hey KikaRz
11:12 KikaRz          What?
11:12 Ragnar_         hows the textures coming?
11:15 Ragnar_         hey adam!
11:18 Ragnar_         hey who knows some lua coding?
11:18 Ragnar_         i need some help with it...
11:19 PilzAdam        what help?
11:19 Ragnar_         uses=how many hits can it do, maxlevel=max hearts it can do
11:19 Ragnar_         is it true`?
11:19 Ragnar_         uses=1000, maxlevel=6
11:19 Ragnar_         thats what i typed in there
11:19 PilzAdam        no thats not correct
11:19 Ragnar_         uses=?
11:20 Ragnar_         maxlevel=?
11:20 Ragnar_         what are they then?
11:20 PilzAdam        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L493
11:21 Ragnar_         ow...
11:21 Ragnar_         uses=how many hits to dig
11:21 Ragnar_         right?
11:21 PilzAdam        no
11:21 Ragnar_         then what... :S
11:21 Ragnar_         i dont understand...
11:21 PilzAdam        read the text I linked
11:22 PilzAdam        until line 584
11:22 Ragnar_         its so confusing...
11:22 Ragnar_         what do i type if i want to edit the time of hits it can do until it brakes?
11:23 PilzAdam        uses
11:23 Ragnar_         thats what i said!
11:23 Ragnar_         uses=1000 is that if i use it for 1000 hits, it brakes...
11:23 Ragnar_         and what is maxlevel then?
11:24 PilzAdam        <Ragnar_> thats what i said! <- then you said it in a way that nobody could understand it
11:24 Ragnar_         ok?
11:24 PilzAdam        every node defines a level; maxlevel is the highest level the tool can dig in this group
11:24 Ragnar_         ow...
11:25 Ragnar_         but what do i type if i want to edit the hitlevel?
11:25 Ragnar_         like if i hit once, it takes away like...3.5 hearts...
11:25 PilzAdam        you want to create a weapon?
11:26 PilzAdam        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L585
11:26 Ragnar_         yeah :d
11:26 Ragnar_         alot of them xD
11:27 PilzAdam        read the text i linked slowly and then ask again
11:27 Ragnar_         umm...where is it?
11:27 Ragnar_         in what line?
11:28 PilzAdam        from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L585 until https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L621
11:28 Ragnar_         i dont have that much time...
11:28 Ragnar_         only 25mins left...
11:28 Ragnar_         :(
11:28 Ragnar_         please...
11:29 PilzAdam        you cant create a mod in 25 minutes
11:29 Ragnar_         i started it yesterday...
11:29 Ragnar_         i know that...
11:30 Ragnar_         just that will mean that ill have to resume it on wednesday... :(
11:30 Ragnar_         or here, in estonia, in tuesday...
11:30 PilzAdam        you should have read the whole document; ive pointed you to the correct lines so you dont have to
11:30 Ragnar_         i think...
11:31 KikaRz          waiting for m13...
11:32 Ragnar_         i think i found it!
11:32 Ragnar_         punch_operable
11:32 Ragnar_         is it this one?!
11:32 PilzAdam        ummm... what?
11:33 Ragnar_         punch_operable=5 takes 5 hp...
11:33 Ragnar_         right?
11:33 Ragnar_         or not...
11:33 PilzAdam        were did you read that?
11:33 PilzAdam        it is wrong
11:33 Ragnar_         https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L601
11:34 PilzAdam        read the while chapter
11:34 jordach         hey guys
11:34 Ragnar_         hey jordach!
11:34 Ragnar_         help me!
11:34 PilzAdam        hi jordach
11:35 jordach         i had a laughable morning
11:35 Ragnar_         cause adam's being a jerk!
11:35 PilzAdam        ...
11:35 Ragnar_         im in a hurry, but he doesnt care...
11:35 Ragnar_         jordach!
11:35 Ragnar_         what do i type to edit the hp a weapon takes away?
11:36 Ragnar_         i cant even find it in default\init.lua
11:36 Ragnar_         :S
11:36 PilzAdam        Ragnar_, protip: reading the chapter of Lua-api.txt i linked is the fastest way to understand it
11:36 Ragnar_         BUT I CANT FIND IT!!!
11:36 PilzAdam        have you read the whole chapter?
11:36 jordach         and i see PilzAdam is being a coding grammar yahtzee
11:36 Ragnar_         i only have 15 more minutes
11:37 jordach         john_minetest: ues pastebin please
11:37 Ragnar_         xD
11:37 Ragnar_         and where is it?
11:37 Ragnar_         john_minetest: where is it then?
11:37 PilzAdam        Ragnar_, you need to read lua-api.txt to understand how it works
11:37 Ragnar_         i will, but not now!
11:37 PilzAdam        there is no field called "damage" or something
11:38 Ragnar_         cause i have less than 15 minutes left!!!
11:38 PilzAdam        there is a algorithm behind it that you have to understand
11:38 Ragnar_         I JUST FUCKING SAID!!!
11:38 Ragnar_         ILL LEARN IT WHEN I HAVE THE TIME!!!
11:38 PilzAdam        if you would read the chapter in lua-apit.txt you will get it in 5 minutes
11:38 Ragnar_         BUT I DONT HAVE THE TIME RIGHT NOW!
11:39 PilzAdam        15 - 5 = 10 minutes afterr reading it
11:39 Ragnar_         then give me the line where it is!
11:39 Ragnar_         only 1 line!
11:39 PilzAdam        it is not a single line
11:39 PilzAdam        its more complex
11:39 Ragnar_         well fuck you then!
11:40 PilzAdam        read 7 lines from here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L585
11:41 PilzAdam        john_minetest, you cant understand it if you just read the default init.lua
11:41 Ragnar_         times={...}
11:41 Ragnar_         cmon!
11:41 Ragnar_         you too?=!
11:41 Ragnar_         fuck both of you!
11:42 jordach         Ragnar_: chill
11:42 PilzAdam        Ragnar_, chill
11:42 Ragnar_         I CANT!
11:42 Ragnar_         I HAVE 10 MINUTES MORE!
11:43 Ragnar_         AND I WANT TO ATLEASE FINISH THAT PART OF IT!!!
11:43 Ragnar_         minetest.register_tool("default:sword_wood", { 	description = "Wooden Sword", 	inventory_image = "default_tool_woodsword.png", 	tool_capabilities = { 		full_punch_interval = 1.0, 		max_drop_level=0, 		groupcaps={ 			fleshy={times={[2]=1.10, [3]=0.60}, uses=10, maxlevel=1}, 			snappy={times={[2]=1.00, [3]=0.50}, uses=10, maxlevel=1}, 			choppy={times={[3]=1.00}, uses=20, maxlevel=0} 		} 	} })
11:44 Ragnar_         minetest.register_tool("default:sword_stone", { 	description = "Stone Sword", 	inventory_image = "default_tool_stonesword.png", 	tool_capabilities = { 		full_punch_interval = 1.0, 		max_drop_level=0, 		groupcaps={ 			fleshy={times={[2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=20, maxlevel=1}, 			snappy={times={[2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=20, maxlevel=1}, 			choppy={times={[3]=0.90}, uses=20, maxlevel=0} 		} 	} })
11:44 Ragnar_         inetest.register_tool("default:sword_steel", { 	description = "Steel Sword", 	inventory_image = "default_tool_steelsword.png", 	tool_capabilities = { 		full_punch_interval = 1.0, 		max_drop_level=1, 		groupcaps={ 			fleshy={times={[1]=2.00, [2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=10, maxlevel=2}, 			snappy={times={[2]=0.70, [3]=0.30}, uses=40, maxlevel=1}, 			choppy={times={[3]=0.70}, uses=40, maxlevel=0} 		} 	} })
11:44 jin_xi          aww man pls use a pastebin for that
11:44 Ragnar_         ONLY DIFFERENT THING IS THE { fleshy={times={[1]=2.00, [2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=10, maxlevel=2}, snappy={times={[2]=0.70, [3]=0.30}, uses=40, maxlevel=1}, choppy={times={[3]=0.70}, uses=40, maxlevel=0} } } })
11:45 Ragnar_         cmon
11:45 Ragnar_         please!
11:46 Ragnar_         :'(
11:46 PilzAdam        Damage calculation:
11:46 PilzAdam        - Take the time spent after the last hit
11:46 PilzAdam        - Limit time to full_punch_interval
11:46 PilzAdam        - Take the damage groups and imagine a bunch of nodes that have them
11:46 PilzAdam        - Damage in HP is the amount of nodes destroyed in this time.
11:46 Ragnar_         I KNOW THAT!!!
11:46 Ragnar_         wait...
11:46 Ragnar_         Damage in HP is the amount of nodes destroyed in this time.
11:47 Ragnar_         so the smaller the interval is the more damage it does?
11:47 PilzAdam        yes
11:47 Ragnar_         OW
11:47 Ragnar_         THANKS
11:47 PilzAdam        btw: this is just a copy of the text i linked you since 25 minutes
11:47 Ragnar_         i know!
11:47 Ragnar_         :D
11:47 jin_xi          but he only had 15 you see
11:47 Ragnar_         but then what is maxlevel?
11:48 PilzAdam        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L537
11:48 Ragnar_         explane please?!
11:49 PilzAdam        every node defines a level; maxlevel is the maximum level that the tool can dig in this group; higher level of node = longer digging time
11:49 PilzAdam        and the tool wears out faster
11:49 Ragnar_         ow....
11:50 Ragnar_         so if maxlevel=1000 then it diggs longer than maxlevel=900?
11:50 PilzAdam        no
11:50 PilzAdam        it depends on what level the node has
11:50 Ragnar_         ok...
11:50 Ragnar_         but if...
11:51 Ragnar_         uses=0
11:51 Ragnar_         then what?
11:51 PilzAdam        thats something different; uses = how many nodes can you destroy until the tool braks
11:51 PilzAdam        *breaks
11:51 PilzAdam        uses = 0; the tool doesnt break
11:52 Ragnar_         ow
11:52 Ragnar_         thats good
11:52 Ragnar_         like i have a mmo:hammerpart
11:52 KikaRz          going to make a special tool
11:52 KikaRz          Like... A rock :D
11:52 KikaRz          a rock: for what it serves? to mine very slowly.
11:53 Ragnar_         its only used for crafting
11:53 KikaRz          uses = 5
11:53 KikaRz          :P
11:53 Ragnar_         it doesnt brake
11:53 Ragnar_         ok :D
11:53 KikaRz          shut up
11:53 KikaRz          not cobble.
11:53 KikaRz          rock.
11:53 Ragnar_         prick!
11:53 KikaRz          yu ass
11:53 Ragnar_         KikaRz got pricked to death!
11:54 KikaRz          Ragnar_ got pooped himself to hell!
11:54 Ragnar_         you dont know what "pricked to death" means?
11:54 Ragnar_         on minecraft, if you die because of a cactus, you got pricked..
11:54 KikaRz          '-'
11:54 KikaRz          yep i know
11:55 KikaRz          going to make a mod
11:55 KikaRz          well
11:55 KikaRz          not making a mod
11:55 Ragnar_         then dafuq is "pooped to death
11:55 Ragnar_         i got 2 mins...
11:55 KikaRz          but yes, designing nodes
11:55 Ragnar_         so hurry
11:55 KikaRz          pooped to death = you pooped yourself
11:55 Ragnar_         -.-
11:55 Ragnar_         srsly?
11:55 Ragnar_         how old r u...3?
11:56 KikaRz          no
11:56 KikaRz          21
11:56 Ragnar_         orly?
11:56 Ragnar_         im 13
11:56 Ragnar_         u wanna cyber?
11:56 Ragnar_         xD
11:57 Ragnar_         well bye
11:57 KikaRz          going to make a node
12:06 KikaRz          Guys, what are you doing all?
12:07 OldCoder        Thinking
12:08 KikaRz          People
12:08 KikaRz          Hi there OldCoder
12:08 KikaRz          how i make in lua
12:08 KikaRz          to make a side texture
12:09 KikaRz          and a top / below texture?
12:10 jordach         good morning OldCoder
12:10 OldCoder        jordach, Hi
12:31 KikaRz          Taking Breakfast - BRB
12:57 KikaRz          hi dare.
12:57 KikaRz          sumone?
13:00 PilzAdam        KikaRz, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1333
13:00 KikaRz          what?
13:00 KikaRz          too late.
13:15 OldCoder        I am resting again for a bit
13:15 OldCoder        Wuzzy, up early!
13:15 OldCoder        Muadtralk, Hello
13:15 * OldCoder      is resting
13:15 * ruskie        starts prepping for his second desert themed build
13:17 * john_minetest is compiling stuff unrelated to minetest
13:20 Wuzzy           lol
13:20 KikaRz          hi Muadtralk :D
13:20 Muadtralk       ello
13:22 KikaRz          how are you?
13:25 jordach         hello Muadtralk
13:26 Muadtralk       good and hello
13:26 OldCoder        Back
13:40 * jordach       is bored
13:40 ruskie          go build something
13:44 KikaRz          i want to help
13:44 KikaRz          buidling a dangerous city
13:47 ruskie          I want a MV grinder already... watching this one painfully slowly grind stone to sand is annoying
13:50 KikaRz          i cant john
13:50 KikaRz          my server is offline
13:50 KikaRz          and my computer cant host servers
13:52 Muadtralk       remobo.com KikaRz?
13:52 Muadtralk       ever hear of it?
13:53 BambooVase      help guys. im using minetest 04. and when i create a world, all the texture on the inventory is missing, but when I create using the development [minimal] textures are there.
13:54 Muadtralk       never heard of an error like this before
13:54 Muadtralk       hmmmmmm
13:54 Muadtralk       is it any world under minetest_game?
13:54 Muadtralk       have you tried more then once?
13:54 Muadtralk       it may be some strange fluke
13:54 BambooVase      Muadtralk: yes, and I also deleted then tried again
13:55 BambooVase      on the [minimal] some textures are missing like cobble,wood..
13:59 BambooVase      is this the location of the textures? /usr/local/games/minetest_game/mods
14:08 BambooVase      hhmm. they are all there
14:12 BambooVase      im on an old laptop, but I played this before on an older computer fine.
14:14 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53331#p53331
14:14 rubenwardy      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53331#p53331
14:16 BambooVase      ok, edited this /usr/local/minetest.conf and still the same. Also i have an error on top ERROR[serverthread]:server peer_id 2 failed to emerge player
14:17 KikaRz          no i dont have
14:17 KikaRz          and i dont want to have
14:17 KikaRz          idk how to work with that
14:24 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53333#p53333
14:24 BambooVase      ok thanks of the help
14:24 BambooVase      going to recompile
14:29 KikaRz          what remobo does? i've forgot.
14:30 KikaRz          and i cant host in my pc because it got 512 MB Ram Only
14:30 BambooVase      something private network?
14:30 jordach         trololol, 1gb here
14:31 jordach         (is not at home)
14:31 rubenwardy      (2:24:09 PM) PilzAdam: rubenwardy, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53333#p53333
14:31 rubenwardy      thank you, replying
14:35 jordach         rubenwardy: i like it currently
14:36 jordach         but it needs a LOT MOAR shine
14:37 KikaRz          like fucking hamachi
14:38 jordach         KikaRz: but without them errors
14:38 jordach         with the 5.x.x.x and 25.x.x.x domains
14:43 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53336#p53336
14:47 jordach         rubenwardy: getting there
14:48 KikaRz          who got a remobo server?
14:52 rubenwardy      margin fixed
14:57 rubenwardy      contribute fixed
15:00 rubenwardy      donate finished
15:02 rubenwardy      link to wiki done
15:07 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: when you say the links, do you mean the font size, or how big the clickable area is?
15:08 PilzAdam        the font
15:08 rubenwardy      the top link bar, or the section link bar?
15:08 PilzAdam        both
15:08 rubenwardy      ok
15:09 PilzAdam        and yes, i mean a footer
15:10 PilzAdam        the current font for "Minetest" in the header looks good
15:10 PilzAdam        but half of the word "world" is still cut off (bottom part)
15:11 PilzAdam        "(it is actually "Game Content")" Do you mean that this is the current content? Because for me there is only "Game"
15:12 KikaRz          who got a remobo server?
15:13 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, IMO remove the background image in the header completly
15:13 PilzAdam        or make it all sky
15:14 PilzAdam        btw: minetest's sky color is 91bcf9
15:15 Muadtralk       KikaRz tons of people had them now nobody does :D
15:16 KikaRz          so
15:16 KikaRz          f*ck this..
15:16 KikaRz          you are telling me to use it
15:16 KikaRz          -.-
15:17 Muadtralk       i said that cause you said you couldnt host servers
15:17 Muadtralk       :|
15:19 KikaRz          I cant host because 512 mb RAM and 2 minutes to put a block or processing things
15:19 Muadtralk       ive seen servers run on less
15:19 rubenwardy      (3:15:03 PM) john_minetest: rubenwardy, the links seem  to be "cut" somehow, at least with my font.
15:19 rubenwardy      I am editing it live
15:20 Muadtralk       i think i used to play on one that had 192 mb of ram
15:20 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/index.php
15:20 KikaRz          Pentium 4.
15:20 KikaRz          Windows XP
15:20 KikaRz          not linux
15:20 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, "Game content" is fixed now
15:20 KikaRz          with XChat on, i cant play
15:21 Muadtralk       anyone know why the skybox.png was did away with?
15:21 Muadtralk       it was quite nice for make pretty images across the sky
15:21 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, the "Contribute" page has a different font
15:22 rubenwardy      has it?
15:23 PilzAdam        now its ok
15:23 KikaRz          Love this form to write:
15:24 KikaRz          هArab form :P *-*
15:24 Octupus         Hola
15:24 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, Home -> download: the whole page is moved left a bit
15:26 KikaRz          Im not going to lie.
15:26 KikaRz          I'm in France
15:26 KikaRz          I got a live transmission from the Minecon.
15:26 KikaRz          Do not kill me. Not my fault. My cousin made me ran out of home
15:26 KikaRz          and went to france
15:28 Octupus         Minecon is going onm now
15:30 KikaRz          yea
15:30 KikaRz          i know
15:30 KikaRz          i wasnt with a pass.
15:30 KikaRz          so
15:30 KikaRz          i couldnt enter
15:30 KikaRz          but i got a live transmission
15:34 KikaRz          In 17 hours, a new transmission starts at GameSpot Live
15:34 KikaRz          http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=minecon_2012_day_220121125
15:36 rubenwardy      (3:24:38 PM) PilzAdam: rubenwardy, Home -> download: the whole page is moved left a bit
15:36 rubenwardy      Again, i was live editing
15:37 babyface1031    hi Octupus
15:38 KikaRz          lol
15:38 KikaRz          what page?
15:38 KikaRz          http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=minecon_2012_day_120121124
15:39 KikaRz          im watching that live
15:44 Octupus         hi babyface1031a
15:47 PilzAdam        how can i create a inventory cube of an image to use it outside of minetest?
15:48 VanessaE_[L]    boo.
15:48 PilzAdam        who are you?
15:48 VanessaE_[L]    the same old bitch who has been hanging around here since March :-)
15:48 VanessaE_[L]    just on the laptop for a change.
15:49 PilzAdam        how can i create a inventory cube of an image to use it outside of minetest?
15:49 BambooVase      is this the channel to ask about the source code?
15:49 VanessaE_[L]    well what I've been doing is taking screenshots.  cornernote's modding wiki thing uses a hacked version of the game to export the renderings to png
15:50 VanessaE_[L]    btw, merge my commits, they now meet your demands :-)
15:50 PilzAdam        and Calinou's wiki?
15:50 VanessaE_[L]    he uses a blender script.
15:50 VanessaE_[L]    not entirely sure how,
15:51 VanessaE_[L]    I think totally manually, apply texture X to side Y of the blender file, export to png, that sorta thing.
15:51 VanessaE_[L]    BambooVase, sure, ask away,
15:53 KikaRz          Yes BambooVase
15:53 KikaRz          #minetest-dev or #minetest-mods
15:53 VanessaE_[L]    hm, note to self:  install some kind of desktop sync app, and fix the cord to the laptop charger.
15:53 VanessaE_[L]    KikaRz, -dev is strictly for engine core talk, but here is more appropriate for now I think
15:54 KikaRz          not me
15:54 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, now merge the vessels one :)
15:55 BambooVase      Ok, I have this problem where the texture on the inventory is missing. I looked around the code and on the /usr/share/minetest/games/minimal/mods/default/init.lua line 760 I added inventory_image="default_dirt.png" and now the texture appears.
15:55 VanessaE_[L]    BambooVase, this is a bug in the engine. Normally the block should render into the inventory without that line.  The only tip anyone's had so far is that you're out of video memory
15:55 VanessaE_[L]    hi rubenwardy.
15:55 BambooVase      oh..
15:56 BambooVase      VanessaE_[L]: so thats why it works on my other pc.
15:56 VanessaE_[L]    yeah, most likely.
15:57 VanessaE_[L]    BambooVase, a workaround is to reduce the number of mods and the size of your textures
15:58 VanessaE_[L]    e.g. if you use a 64px texture pack, go back to 16px (default)
15:58 VanessaE_[L]    or try one of those really low-rez ones.
15:58 BambooVase      VanessaE_[L]: ok thank you very much
15:59 BambooVase      i was about to add that line to all the blocks
16:00 jin_xi          is wool obtainable in a legit way in default minetest?
16:00 VanessaE_[L]    no
16:00 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], is this ok? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/2ff55cf6cc737cc798a40429f83c4f7ff16f9e51
16:00 jin_xi          aww, shucks
16:00 PilzAdam        i removed the changelog
16:01 jin_xi          painting mod still unusable on servers due to mostly that
16:01 VanessaE_[L]    why did you do that anyway?
16:01 PilzAdam        have you ever seen any changelog.txt in any mod in upstream?
16:02 VanessaE_[L]    I never look for them :-)
16:02 VanessaE_[L]    but it's part of my distribution, so unless you have a good reason to delete it, you shouldn't ;-)
16:02 VanessaE_[L]    otherwise, it's okay by me
16:03 PilzAdam        git has a commit history; thats the changelog
16:03 PilzAdam        no need to store it twice
16:03 VanessaE_[L]    yeah but if the commit log doesn't match the contents of the changelog.... :-)
16:03 VanessaE_[L]    (which tends to happen when people demand one commit per pull request ;) )
16:03 VanessaE_[L]    but okay'
16:04 PilzAdam        so Ill push my version of the commit?
16:04 VanessaE_[L]    yeah, push it
16:04 jin_xi          push it real good
16:04 VanessaE_[L]    pssh...ahhh...pssh PUSH IT
16:07 PilzAdam        opinions on that please: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/40
16:09 rubenwardy1     PilzAdam: about page in game content fixed
16:10 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, push that one also.
16:11 VanessaE_[L]    it'll work for the majority of texture packs anyway
16:12 rubenwardy1     PilzAdam: can you look through http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/ again?
16:14 KikaRz          its centrated
16:14 KikaRz          in the center*
16:14 KikaRz          and good...
16:15 KikaRz          subscribed to Minetest-C55 YouTube Channel
16:16 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, the "Home" -> "Download" page is still a bit more left than the other sites
16:17 KikaRz          its fine here
16:17 KikaRz          '-'
16:17 KikaRz          yep
16:17 KikaRz          it is fine
16:17 KikaRz          no, its normal PilzAdam
16:17 KikaRz          Mozilla Firefox dont have errors with that
16:18 PilzAdam        maybe add a table of contents or so to this site, because its rather complex
16:19 PilzAdam        KikaRz, I have firefox; switch between "About" and "Donwload" and you will see
16:19 KikaRz          No
16:19 KikaRz          its fine
16:19 KikaRz          i've tested
16:20 KikaRz          want prints?
16:20 Matsetes        Hi
16:20 rubenwardy      i have fire fox too, i works for me
16:20 KikaRz          yep
16:20 KikaRz          i changed between download and about
16:20 KikaRz          its the same position
16:20 Matsetes        Is it normal that in moreores copper is extremely rare?
16:20 VanessaE_[L]    not normally, no
16:21 VanessaE_[L]    unless you're working with an old map
16:21 KikaRz          yep
16:21 KikaRz          matsetes, create a new map
16:21 KikaRz          If you are with a old map
16:21 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, ohh, its because the scrollbar appears in my browser ... </stupid mode>
16:21 KikaRz          you get old chunks without copper/moreores
16:21 Matsetes        No, the map is new
16:21 KikaRz          xd
16:21 KikaRz          I knew it.
16:21 KikaRz          Calinou
16:21 KikaRz          are you Moreores chief?
16:21 Matsetes        But in 2000 stone i found 10 copper...
16:22 Calinou         KikaRz: chief?
16:22 VanessaE_[L]    uh oh, he's here
16:22 Calinou         you mean author? yes :p
16:22 KikaRz          creator
16:22 VanessaE_[L]    everyone run
16:22 KikaRz          yep
16:22 KikaRz          so
16:22 Calinou         no, don't run
16:22 KikaRz          Matsetes, talk with Calinou
16:22 Calinou         -ruN diff -ruN
16:22 Calinou         :D
16:22 Matsetes        Thx
16:27 PilzAdam        what is about that? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/39
16:28 kaeza           hello guys
16:28 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, as long as the facedir in the replacement doors is correct and the textures are the same filename as before, push it.
16:29 VanessaE_[L]    (your reworked-from-thexyz signs mod for example didn't get that right)
16:30 PilzAdam        the facedir is not correct, you have to replace the doors
16:30 PilzAdam        there is no way to keep the old facedir correctly
16:30 VanessaE_[L]    sure there is,.
16:30 KikaRz          Jordach
16:30 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/sitemap.php
16:30 KikaRz          How i create a skin? (well, how i make one without having back and front?
16:31 Calinou         you use two textures: player.png, player_back.png
16:31 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, I mean for the download page
16:31 Calinou         you need to use an image editor that supports transparency, such as gimp
16:31 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, I suggest you try to fix the facedir issue first.
16:32 rubenwardy      that makes a lot more sence
16:32 KikaRz          yep
16:32 KikaRz          I hate gimp
16:33 KikaRz          reason: My computer dislikes it (he cant run it
16:34 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], i tried everything (except completly rewriting the mod) to fix it
16:34 KikaRz          Calinou, can you send me one player / player back?
16:34 KikaRz          a white one
16:35 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, well what I did in Homedecor when I converted the doors over from 2d signlike to 3d nodeboxes, I aliased them
16:36 VanessaE_[L]    I use facedir to manage the positions, and aliases to match them with the old node names.
16:36 VanessaE_[L]    most of the doors came out right that way
16:36 PilzAdam        i use aliases too
16:36 PilzAdam        but the facedir is not compatible
16:37 PilzAdam        and there is no simple solution for that
16:38 VanessaE_[L]    just try :-)
16:38 VanessaE_[L]    I mean, it won't bug *me*
16:38 VanessaE_[L]    but I bet c55 will throw a fit.
16:38 Calinou         http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/minetest/moreores.zip < new moreores release. copper is now more common
16:39 PilzAdam        the doors still work after upgrading; the only thing is that they are sometimes flipped
16:39 PilzAdam        its not that hard to replace the doors after upgrading
16:40 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/download.php ?
16:40 rubenwardy      bar at the top with a link to each type: Windows, linux, source
16:40 PilzAdam        i only see a huge windows logo
16:40 rubenwardy      i have not done linux or source yet
16:41 KikaRz          Pilz
16:41 KikaRz          a type
16:41 Calinou         old windows logo is old
16:41 KikaRz          tip*
16:41 KikaRz          Calinou
16:41 KikaRz          its the official
16:41 KikaRz          not old
16:41 Calinou         rubenwardy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Windows_logo_and_wordmark_-_2012.svg/489px-Windows_logo_and_wordmark_-_2012.svg.png
16:41 Calinou         KikaRz: it is old
16:42 Calinou         rubenwardy: that is the actual windows logo
16:42 KikaRz          Use this up:
16:42 KikaRz          https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjjmugRDBws_BZzxFWgdisuyo44N1ZmcvxDdWFwqoMfAIKYmm3
16:42 KikaRz          What logo have been windows based? this -.-
16:42 Calinou         lol
16:42 rubenwardy      i know it is old, but that is the logo of xp/7
16:42 KikaRz          not that only
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16:43 KikaRz          zoKWxx1lgbMHWVPKS2mHT2XDJswrqBN9LUDlDBB5St5GS2mCmz88RJfoMcpud0JILjnI+Yx7TBXZjLyMk1DqJtOYNiIb2wo56+tCV8CgNyJ5SFvZsE8WCeZ5RqHbOhUvWtKaVGqIWDuAvdruDxZO9nQ+HhxlvbNp3wVQwVQcnTOTwH0GfrOfJKSvJBNtKqvj7952YNs0sORqMW7cqt9P3r3FG3tUzlQNOJBzjrrK/6ZBIVUJJOBrx105TVo91SpCmxGMEEk7u9n4vzle
16:43 KikaRz          ups!!!
16:43 rubenwardy      /kick KikaRz lol
16:43 KikaRz          sorry!
16:43 KikaRz          data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBhQSEBUUExMUFRQVFRUUFBUUFRcVFxQUFBQVFRQVFBQXHCYeFxkjGRUUHy8gIycpLCwsFR4xNTAqNSYrLCkBCQoKDgwOFw8PGiokHBwpLCwvLCwsLCosLS0pKjUpLSosKSkpLCktKiksKSosLSwsLCwsNDQsLCwpNCkpLCwsKf/AABEIALcBEwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAECBAUGBwj/xAA/EAACAQMBBQUFBAoCAQUAAAABAgADBBEhBRIxQVEGEyJhgQcUMnGRI4KhsRVCQ1JicpLB0fCy4eJEY3Oi0v/EABsBAAIDAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAgMFBAYH/8QAMREAAgIBAwIDBgUFAQAAA
16:43 Calinou         spam
16:43 Calinou         very spam
16:43 KikaRz          AAAAAECEQMEEiExQQUTUTJhgaGx8BQicZHBBjNC0eEj/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDhmoYkNyaP6PfGQOWfSVXpEcQZ6VM4aBKJMGRxJAyQEgI+IOPmFAEZhjGBBYkosQAbEePuSRWAEFEcpFiTEABMI2IYrIEQAhuxtyFxHCwABiPuw3dx1pwEVzSkTSl9KMl7vFuHRnClHCS6beLuIbgoqBJIU5Z7iOKBkbCio1CQ93mh7uYxowsdGcbWCahNY0oCrbwUgozCkgUl16UG1GSsRUKyJllqEGacYwOJEiG7uLcgADdihMR4gPQqVbxaD0/xGubNSumrEHTGhlOje5PKXKFU504TlaaAwrvZhXGca66cPWBGz2PCda9k1QY0APTgRMe/pbvhBOnDz8pZHJfAUYrU8RgIdqJjGliX2IiiDBzHFOSCyYpxAAJMbEtJb
16:43 KikaRz          Z4QibMc/qnHyhaApBIt2W2tcR6ihVLEE7oJwoyTgaADqeETklyOgCpHahLGxbtq1Ni9HusEBQSd46ak5A04fjLPux6aSuORSVoGq4M0UZMUJbehIgSdgA7mLu/KWCkYmFgDUSRYRiPKPuRDEGEYsIxoxdzEIXeCN3sfuo4owGNvxb3WEFKLuIgIDEmaQMcUpNViYytVs5Ve1msokGSG4RkNQgmozWen5QDUpJSCjLajAvSmq9KCehJKQUZZpxTQNtFHYGpRTBzNe3q6YPDjMsKViFY8pW42I6u1vQBjlJNUQnLL685z1C9bHDh5SwdoucZEoeIdhbuhTLE8ug0MzbugvI/ITQdM66+cXuat1k4ugMYUwIRQJfFkOHKEo2QyOHrLN6EQtlGOEutVCrp0/OWLay5EZzKtazy2FBlNpsZk1QecItuCOODjrLTWx
16:43 KikaRz          4HT0gmtGx1hllOlsq77+hbhWNt+Y2lXFevb4GTtlqookUQTUJAGMeEcS2Tpyx6wewKNwtNmrF2YtwZt4KoGgGNBnJ+gmxRpZYDqcSp2wt7nu0p2tOpliWdqWRgDQLkcMk5+6JzLUY5ycoO9vHuLcumy4lFZI1uVr9B1bMurs4EZDZ/tOY2VZVbWhVuLvfyCFRHbJOSNRkkDJI/pMnZdvQ7LTS2Ys7BVJqgcTjXCS78TGlfDOfY+xvvb4OkgbfM1qVEb4zqJfu6FL9UYPlwljyUROYayiS2mjcqBwMqVKkmpNiANSkCIbEGymSAgI+7JCkT0EXcQGMBFvQq0Bzi7k+kQEA8WZMUoUUDIgV8ySqJM0sQbGADMsC1OFLZjQGVzSkGpy0Ii0dgU92KWi0ULAupZQ9OxHSaVDZ7HXE0KOzM8QJVLIJIxxs7oZNNmk
16:43 PilzAdam        OldCoder, kick KikaRz
16:43 VanessaE_[L]    wtf??
16:43 KikaRz          zoKWxx1lgbMHWVPKS2mHT2XDJswrqBN9LUDlDBB5St5GS2mCmz88RJfoMcpud0JILjnI+Yx7TBXZjLyMk1DqJtOYNiIb2wo56+tCV8CgNyJ5SFvZsE8WCeZ5RqHbOhUvWtKaVGqIWDuAvdruDxZO9nQ+HhxlvbNp3wVQwVQcnTOTwH0GfrOfJKSvJBNtKqvj7952YNs0sORqMW7cqt9P3r3FG3tUzlQNOJBzjrrK/6ZBIVUJJOBrx105TVo91SpCmxGMEEk7u9n4vzle
16:43 Gwaur           it's not spam, it's just a base64-image!
16:43 KikaRz          fuck
16:43 Calinou         thank you ChanServ
16:44 KikaRz          SRRYYY
16:44 Gwaur           copy that to your browser's address bar and voila
16:44 KikaRz          my irc bugged out
16:44 KikaRz          You kidding me?
16:44 KikaRz          http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/313/6/9/sky_windows_98_flag_wall_2_by_slowdog294-d32j2om.jpg
16:44 Calinou         np KikaRz, just don't paste long links
16:44 KikaRz          that is the base of windows logo
16:44 KikaRz          Calinou, not my fault
16:44 KikaRz          that's why i hate linux
16:44 Calinou         well yeah, shorten the link using something like tinyurl.com
16:44 KikaRz          when will come m13? :/
16:44 OldCoder        Hi
16:45 KikaRz          Hi OldCoder
16:45 OldCoder        Was in a conversation elsewhere
16:45 OldCoder        KikaRz, Hi. Probably best to paste images elsewhere.
16:45 KikaRz          Calinou, thank you for kicking me
16:45 OldCoder        That is certainly polite
16:45 KikaRz          because you unbugged me.
16:45 Calinou         np :P
16:45 Calinou         yey, I can remove bugs on people
16:45 KikaRz          lol
16:46 Calinou         next one is: paste of "xwd" output in IRC
16:46 Calinou         :>
16:46 OldCoder        Calinou, debug is a good skill
16:46 Calinou         erm, it's not xwd
16:46 OldCoder        Hmm
16:46 Calinou         it's the command that does raw X screenshots
16:46 OldCoder        Good Lord
16:46 Calinou         forgot its name :P
16:46 * OldCoder      has scrolled up
16:46 * OldCoder      laughs
16:46 Calinou         ah no, it is xwd
16:46 Calinou         "       xwd - dump an image of an X window"
16:46 KikaRz          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FXwd&ei=5_mwUNXrLNOZhQei0oCoBQ&usg=AFQjCNFA4skHunRsDD55wxsrGPDxqtYNMg&sig2=89qqoQCyCdn-JSYi7nEFyQ
16:46 OldCoder        Complete images in chat probably are not advisable
16:46 KikaRz          Grrrr
16:46 KikaRz          hate google
16:46 KikaRz          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xwd
16:46 KikaRz          better.
16:46 Calinou         google makes long links too, but they still fit on one line
16:46 OldCoder        You can use TinyURL
16:47 babyface1031    hi OldCoder
16:47 rsiska          or goo.gl
16:47 PilzAdam        KikaRz, i preger "man xwd"
16:47 KikaRz          OldCoder, thats too much to do.
16:47 PilzAdam        *prefer
16:47 Calinou         you could try http://is.gd/ too
16:47 Calinou         seems better and ad-free
16:47 OldCoder        babyface1031, Hey
16:47 KikaRz          ...
16:47 KikaRz          omg
16:47 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, so, go ahead and push the doors mod, but make a note that the doors will need to be re-placed.
16:47 KikaRz          stop giving me short links
16:47 OldCoder        babyface1031, I can't update worlds today but plan to do so soon
16:48 babyface1031    thats fine i am in no hurry i am getting what i need to be able to do it anyways
16:48 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], where should i put a note?
16:48 rsiska          question: How can I import schematic to my world, please?
16:49 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, put it in the commit message.
16:50 VanessaE_[L]    maybe also in a readme in the doors mod directory or something.
16:50 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, "Open Source" ???????
16:51 VanessaE_[L]    rsiska, usually you use the Worldedit mod
16:51 rubenwardy      http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/download.php
16:52 VanessaE_[L]    rsiska, download the schematic, place it wherever worldedit says the file needs to go, then use //pos1 to mark where it will go, and //load filename.we to load it in.
16:52 rubenwardy      what would be a better icon, PilzAdam
16:52 rsiska          VanessaE, Ah, alright. I though you have to import it right into sqlite or something :) Thanks!
16:53 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, the Minetest icon
16:53 rubenwardy      and then "source"
16:53 PilzAdam        yep
16:54 rubenwardy      better?
16:54 PilzAdam        yep
16:56 PilzAdam        also can you make "Windows" "Linux" and "Source code" headlines as big as "Other information"?
16:59 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], you said the Trash field seems to be missplaced? http://www.zimg.eu/i/3792457666
16:59 rubenwardy      (4:56:09 PM) PilzAdam: also can you make "Windows" "Linux" and "Source code" headlines as big as "Other information"?
16:59 rubenwardy      done
16:59 PilzAdam        better
17:00 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, yeah, it seems a little out of place, like it should be moved up maybe
17:01 PilzAdam        currently its close enough to remove items fast
17:01 PilzAdam        if it would be moved up it takes longer to delete items
17:01 VanessaE_[L]    true
17:01 KikaRz          Who is master chief of WorldEdit?
17:02 VanessaE_[L]    sfan5
17:02 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, add OS X icon
17:02 KikaRz          sfan5
17:02 KikaRz          ohy
17:02 KikaRz          its off
17:02 Calinou         SO PRO, I'm using symlinks for my mod repo :)
17:03 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, does that make sense?  there's no current mac build yet?
17:03 Calinou         so that my git and stable minetest versions both use the same mod folder
17:03 PilzAdam        there is an old version
17:03 Calinou         VanessaE_[L]: someone made a tutorial to build latest MT on os x
17:03 Calinou         no sound though, iirc
17:03 Calinou         and not packaged
17:04 VanessaE_[L]    interesting.
17:04 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, maybe you can link this tutorial?
17:05 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, by the way, shouldn't the nyancat and its rainbow render as a cube these days?  maybe this needs fixed now.
17:05 KikaRz          calinou
17:05 KikaRz          OpenAL needed.
17:05 Calinou         KikaRz: yes
17:05 Calinou         openal is optional
17:05 VanessaE_[L]    (in the inventory display I mean)
17:06 PilzAdam        VanessaE, didnt noticed that
17:06 * PilzAdam      fixes that
17:06 VanessaE_[L]    I think there are a few others .
17:06 * VanessaE_[L]  looks
17:07 VanessaE_[L]    ...as soon as the game loads anyway
17:07 VanessaE_[L]    (laptop + 64px HDX = slow startup)
17:07 Calinou         specs of the laptop?
17:07 VanessaE_[L]    Dell Inspiron 9200.
17:08 Calinou         ah
17:08 Calinou         ah, it's quite old :P
17:08 KikaRz          downloading Simpsons S21 E23
17:08 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, papyrus needs a good inventory image, rendering a flat one looks weird compared to the various cubes.  Can this be fixed?
17:08 rubenwardy      almost, pilzadam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/forum/
17:09 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, the rest look okay.
17:09 KikaRz          a bit glitchy, no?
17:09 KikaRz          rubenwardy
17:10 KikaRz          you're logged in
17:10 KikaRz          look on the top
17:10 KikaRz          Bug detected
17:10 PilzAdam        rubenwardy, http://www.zimg.eu/i/3522692509
17:10 PilzAdam        thats what i got
17:11 KikaRz          me too
17:11 KikaRz          a lot of glitches
17:11 KikaRz          More bugged.
17:12 PilzAdam        VanessaE, you need to create a new papyrus inventory image to fix it
17:12 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, ok.  leave it for now, I'll make a better texture later.
17:12 PilzAdam        k
17:12 rubenwardy      yeah, i am trying to make it look like the main site
17:12 KikaRz          forum is now more bugged
17:13 KikaRz          sry
17:13 KikaRz          going to see simpsons
17:14 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/e9ad8d06c8ec68ee0090cad601fe8c754bf63503
17:18 rubenwardy      bye
17:23 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, looks good.
17:23 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, make glass blocks drop a proper 3d cube instead of a sprite
17:25 Calinou         VanessaE_[L]: inventory render will be black if you do that
17:26 PilzAdam        shes talking about droped entities
17:26 VanessaE_[L]    for regular glass?
17:30 VanessaE_[L]    so if the render turns black, perhaps the engine needs fixed to not do that ;)
17:31 Calinou         yes, PilzAdam
17:31 Calinou         then the inventory render will be black :P
17:31 Calinou         engine bug
17:34 KikaRz          back
17:37 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/item_entity
17:39 VanessaE_[L]    you sure that'll work in practice?
17:39 KikaRz          https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/item_entity/util/buildbot , whats that bot for?
17:39 KikaRz          to build minetest?
17:39 VanessaE_[L]    (not familiar with this kind of code)
17:40 PilzAdam        test it
17:42 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], it draws all nodes with the "wielditem" drawtype; ive tested it with ladders, glass, rails, junglegrass, signs...
17:42 PilzAdam        and it just looks good
17:43 KikaRz          how i make a new background for minetest?
17:43 KikaRz          i cant make it
17:43 KikaRz          if i make it
17:43 KikaRz          it crashes game
17:44 PilzAdam        what background?
17:44 PilzAdam        main menu?
17:44 KikaRz          yep
17:44 PilzAdam        just replace the menubg.png image
17:45 KikaRz          yep
17:45 KikaRz          i did that
17:45 KikaRz          but it crashes game
17:45 PilzAdam        are you sure you replaced it with a png?
17:45 KikaRz          we cant make a bigger background?
17:45 KikaRz          Like 1280x1024'
17:45 KikaRz          ?
17:45 PilzAdam        lemme test....
17:46 KikaRz          i guess we can
17:46 KikaRz          its a small block for every place of background... so...
17:46 KikaRz          if we make a bigger background
17:46 KikaRz          it'll repeat the image
17:46 KikaRz          too
17:46 VanessaE_[L]    PilzAdam, well if it looks good and doesn't break anything, do it. :-)
17:47 KikaRz          how i change the menus?
17:47 KikaRz          i wanted to make a newer menus...
17:47 KikaRz          a goody ones
17:48 KikaRz          changing background to http://www.hdwallpapers.in/thumbs/dream_village-t1.jpg
17:49 KikaRz          not that smaller
17:49 KikaRz          but yes, a biggy.
17:49 KikaRz          http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/dream_village-wide.jpg
17:49 KikaRz          this one
17:49 KikaRz          but changing to png
17:53 KikaRz          Testing non worked
17:53 PilzAdam        the image gets downscaled when its too big
17:54 KikaRz          :/
17:54 KikaRz          but it repeated many times
17:55 KikaRz          Ok, nyan cat rainbow its better :)
17:55 KikaRz          xd
17:56 jordach         VanessaE_[L]: kewl
17:56 jordach         like the [l] for laptop
17:56 VanessaE_[L]    yup
17:57 jordach         finally kick back on the sofa then
17:57 KikaRz          guys
17:57 jordach         what,
17:57 KikaRz          the domain is servegame.com ?
17:57 jordach         KikaRz:
17:57 KikaRz          or what?
17:57 KikaRz          that subnet domain or smthing
17:57 KikaRz          like no-ip
17:57 jordach         thats part of no-ip
17:57 jordach         one of their domains
17:58 KikaRz          yep
17:58 KikaRz          i know
17:58 KikaRz          but its servegame.com ?
17:59 BambooVase      is it possible to have 2 diff minetest version installed?
17:59 KikaRz          Yes
17:59 KikaRz          at least 163 versions of Minetest...
17:59 KikaRz          well
17:59 KikaRz          i guess are minus
17:59 KikaRz          the existant versions
17:59 PilzAdam        BambooVase, if you use run in place versions, sure
18:00 jordach         any sort of installer like .deb, .rpm et al wont allow this#
18:01 jordach         also, VanessaE_[L] - i cant stop using et al is a placeholder for other things
18:01 BambooVase      how about when compiling from source?
18:01 jordach         as long it is run in place
18:02 VanessaE_[L]    heh
18:02 VanessaE_[L]    run in place [=1]?  (people actually USE that mode? :-)  )
18:02 BambooVase      wha-DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 this?
18:02 * ruskie        doesn't
18:03 jordach         BambooVase: yes, that setting
18:03 jordach         [18:02] <VanessaE_[L]> run in place [=1]?  (people actually USE that mode? :-)  )  'scuse me mrs, i do
18:03 BambooVase      jordach: that will produce a deb file right? and when I install the deb it wont overwrite?
18:05 jordach         BambooVase: it will just run from the compiled folder
18:05 jordach         NOT installing it
18:06 jordach         ugh, i wonder why i use windows now
18:06 BambooVase      heh
18:07 ruskie          you can easily run multiple installs side-by-side
18:07 ruskie          just set paths to be something while configuring
18:07 PilzAdam        I use: alias minemake='cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j16' and compile thousands of Minetest versions every day
18:08 jordach         ruskie: again that can go catastrophically wrong
18:08 BambooVase      what is -j16? I use j2
18:08 PilzAdam        number of threads used; number of cores of your CPU*2
18:09 PilzAdam        its a lot faster
18:09 VanessaE_[L]    jordach, I was joking :)
18:09 BambooVase      I only have 1 core :(
18:09 ruskie          jordach, not really
18:10 ruskie          jordach, and there are actually package managers that support side-by-side different versions
18:18 KikaRz          Hi Doc22 :D
18:19 KikaRz          People
18:19 KikaRz          who wants to know
18:19 Doc22           hey Kika
18:19 KikaRz          how to leave a node for background?
18:19 OldCoder        World 30004 will go down soon to add Dogzilla131 mod
18:19 KikaRz          OK :D
18:19 KikaRz          cool
18:20 VanessaE_[L]    ruskie, kine gentoo portage ("slotting" they call it)
18:21 OldCoder        Octuteam restarted go and try More Flags mod
18:21 OldCoder        Dogzilla131, ^
18:21 babyface1031    flags thats dogzilla mod
18:21 VanessaE_[L]    s/kine/like./
18:21 Doc22           oh nice
18:21 Doc22           i bet itll be cool
18:21 babyface1031    were you able to add the other one too
18:22 ruskie          VanessaE_[L], no clue... I just know some do it but most of them are third-party not distro native
18:22 Doc22           wait i have one request oldcoder
18:22 OldCoder        Doc22, yes?
18:22 OldCoder        babyface1031, No because I must check it and add formally
18:22 Doc22           http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=secret%20passages%20minetest&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D667&ei=dRCxUIzwNaeO2AXV_YG4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHxR58pUg-a14v4mAHXZ2wacEIfMA
18:22 OldCoder        Flags mod is very simple
18:23 OldCoder        Doc22, ?
18:23 babyface1031    ohok
18:23 Doc22           that will be useful
18:23 * VanessaE_[L]  pokes PilzAdam
18:23 Doc22           for stuff
18:23 Doc22           lol
18:23 OldCoder        Doc22, what is that?
18:23 Doc22           it adds nonsolid blocks
18:23 Doc22           for passages and such
18:23 OldCoder        Doc22, I C
18:23 Doc22           I have had many times when I wanted to
18:23 Doc22           have that
18:23 OldCoder        Doc22, is there consensus on whether this one is safe?
18:23 Doc22           no but I will test it
18:23 Doc22           on my pc
18:24 OldCoder        babyface1031, you too; could you ask today to see if the other one is safe?
18:24 OldCoder        See if people wish these two mods
18:24 Muadtralk       I liked secret passages
18:24 Muadtralk       I dont believe it still works though
18:24 Muadtralk       may be outdated
18:24 Doc22           downloading
18:24 Doc22           testing
18:24 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], what?
18:25 KikaRz          Hi muad
18:25 OldCoder        babyface1031, link the other one here for people to comment on
18:25 Doc22           yes it works well
18:25 Doc22           and no crashes etc
18:25 Doc22           i tested recipe
18:26 babyface1031    http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2383
18:26 Doc22           so OldCoder are you going to add it
18:26 Doc22           that would be useful
18:26 babyface1031    i have worked with this mod before and no crashs
18:26 Doc22           o
18:26 Doc22           ok
18:26 Doc22           so 2 people that agree
18:26 Doc22           that it is safe
18:26 Doc22           oh wait
18:26 Doc22           thats for the other one that u linked
18:27 Doc22           lol
18:27 OldCoder        Doc22, Muadtralk says it doesn't work
18:27 Doc22           so one person
18:27 babyface1031    i meant fo rthe one i posted i havent used the one you posted befroe
18:27 Doc22           well he says he doesnt think it will
18:27 Doc22           i tested it
18:27 Doc22           on 0.4.3
18:27 Muadtralk       it used to not work
18:27 Doc22           and it works fine
18:27 Doc22           i tested recipe
18:27 Muadtralk       obviously its been updated since i used
18:27 Doc22           and the blocks are nonsolid
18:27 Muadtralk       it
18:27 Doc22           ok
18:27 Doc22           well anyway will you add it oc
18:27 Doc22           i tested it
18:27 KikaRz          where is m13...
18:27 OldCoder        Doc22, can you get somebody else to agree?
18:27 KikaRz          :/
18:27 Doc22           babyface do you agree
18:28 OldCoder        KikaRz, he wanders in and out
18:28 Doc22           for adding nonsolid blocks mod
18:28 KikaRz          i didnt seen him today
18:28 OldCoder        KikaRz, sometimes it is days
18:28 Doc22           babyface1031
18:28 Doc22           do you agree with adding nonsolid blocks mod
18:28 Doc22           i tested it
18:28 Doc22           it works
18:28 babyface1031    i will have to test it hold on
18:28 Doc22           ok
18:28 Doc22           http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=secret%20passages%20minetest&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D667&ei=dRCxUIzwNaeO2AXV_YG4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHxR58pUg-a14v4mAHXZ2wacEIfMA
18:28 KikaRz          away:eating
18:29 Doc22           lol
18:29 OldCoder        Doc22, I'd kind of like to hear mod authors comment on these two
18:29 OldCoder        It is easy to install them
18:29 Doc22           okay
18:29 OldCoder        But if they break things that is a problem
18:29 Doc22           yeah
18:29 Doc22           I tested it and it messed nothing u
18:29 Doc22           up
18:29 Doc22           the recipes are
18:29 OldCoder        Could you get somebody senior to comment on these two?
18:29 Doc22           component
18:30 Doc22           and block
18:30 Doc22           ok
18:30 OldCoder        The simple fact you installed and it didn't explode instantly doesn't really prove much
18:30 Doc22           ill get someone who has tryed it?
18:30 Doc22           hmmmmm
18:30 OldCoder        How about
18:30 OldCoder        somebody who is quite familiar with mods
18:30 OldCoder        And I could use
18:30 OldCoder        Comments on both of them
18:30 Doc22           k
18:30 Doc22           pilzadam!!
18:30 Doc22           drumroll
18:31 PilzAdam        what?
18:31 Doc22           can you comment
18:31 Doc22           http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=secret%20passages%20minetest&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D667&ei=dRCxUIzwNaeO2AXV_YG4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHxR58pUg-a14v4mAHXZ2wacEIfMA
18:31 Doc22           and another mod
18:31 Doc22           if you have used them
18:31 OldCoder        Doc22, Please start using a shorter link
18:31 * PilzAdam      doesnt click google links
18:31 Doc22           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2383
18:31 Doc22           ok
18:31 Doc22           sorry
18:31 Octupus         Hi
18:31 Doc22           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667
18:31 Doc22           hi
18:31 Doc22           thats the first one
18:32 Doc22           octu u said i would be mod right
18:32 babyface1031    VanessaE_[L] can you comment on the unified bricks that your dyes use if it is safe
18:32 Octupus         Yes Doc22
18:32 Doc22           ok
18:32 Doc22           im on whenever you want to
18:33 Doc22           so pilzadam can you confirm that secret passages http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667 is safe
18:33 Octupus         I haven't had the time to talk to babyface1031 and come to the server
18:33 Doc22           ok
18:33 Doc22           well she is on
18:33 babyface1031    hi Octupus
18:33 Octupus         Hi babyface1031
18:33 Octupus         Doc22: I am on iPod
18:34 Doc22           oldcoder is considering adding that mod to the server
18:34 Doc22           ok octu
18:35 VanessaE_[L]    babyface1031, safe in what way>
18:35 Doc22           that it doenst break things
18:35 Doc22           and cause problems
18:35 babyface1031    that it dont crash the server i think is what OldCoder wants to know before he adds it
18:35 VanessaE_[L]    I mean, it works I guess :-)
18:35 VanessaE_[L]    I've never used it beyond some basic testing, but I never heard of any problems with it
18:35 VanessaE_[L]    oh
18:35 Doc22           what about secret passages http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667
18:36 Doc22           is this mod safe
18:36 VanessaE_[L]    I don't see any reason why it would, aside from it being a pretty big mod
18:36 VanessaE_[L]    but it just adds a bunch of nodes is all.
18:36 ruskie          would be nice having that mod on europe as well
18:36 Doc22           yeah
18:36 Doc22           colored bricks = nice addon
18:36 OldCoder        ruskie, Do you like these mods?
18:36 Doc22           and more dyes use
18:37 VanessaE_[L]    get my colored woods mod also.
18:37 VanessaE_[L]    it's safe.
18:37 OldCoder        VanessaE, Don't I have it?
18:37 OldCoder        Hold on
18:37 VanessaE_[L]    I don't know :-)
18:37 Doc22           we have wood mod
18:37 Doc22           colored*
18:37 VanessaE_[L]    ok
18:37 OldCoder        VanessaE, It's there
18:37 Doc22           just not bricks
18:37 ruskie          OldCoder, the Secret Passages one? yeah I wanted something like that for a while
18:37 OldCoder        ruskie, But is it safe?
18:37 Doc22           vanessae is this safe
18:37 Doc22           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667
18:37 ruskie          as I don't run a server I can't say
18:38 Doc22           I tested it for a minute but thats not good enough
18:38 * OldCoder      shrugs
18:38 Doc22           all it does is add a recipe
18:38 OldCoder        O.K.
18:38 Doc22           and a few nodes
18:38 OldCoder        We will add three mods today to the U.S. worlds
18:38 Doc22           yay
18:38 Doc22           i like secret passages
18:38 OldCoder        More Flags, Secret Passages, and the other one babyface1031 wanted
18:38 Doc22           colored bricks
18:38 OldCoder        I intend to finish some work first
18:38 babyface1031    cool thanks
18:38 Doc22           ok
18:38 Doc22           thank you oc
18:38 OldCoder        So this afternoon
18:38 OldCoder        Sure np
18:38 babyface1031    thats fine i am in no rush
18:39 VanessaE_[L]    Doc22, I don't know.  maybe?  try it and see how it behaves?
18:39 OldCoder        Understand... *all* the worlds went down last week
18:39 Doc22           me niether
18:39 OldCoder        In no rush to repeat that :Dd
18:39 OldCoder        :D *
18:39 Doc22           oh so try again with passages
18:39 Octupus         We don't care about rules
18:39 Doc22           and test it for long period
18:39 Octupus         I don't know about chu but this what I do
18:39 Doc22           i will test saving, loading, destruction, construction, and stability
18:40 OldCoder        Fine
18:40 OldCoder        Coming Soon to a Theater Near You
18:40 Doc22           lol
18:40 OldCoder        But let me finish a web page about Gearman first please
18:40 Octupus         XD
18:40 Doc22           ok
18:40 OldCoder        That is some software I am supposed to be learning
18:40 Doc22           I am learning german
18:40 OldCoder        And I have Gearman
18:40 Doc22           my family comes from germany
18:41 Doc22           and ireland
18:41 Octupus         My uncharted is being y :/
18:41 Doc22           and hungary
18:41 Doc22           lol
18:42 Doc22           the mod saves and loads properly
18:43 Doc22           the blocks destroy and build properly
18:43 Doc22           crafting recipes are working
18:43 Octupus         I just meet u and this is crazy
18:43 Doc22           and stability is good
18:43 Octupus         But here's my number
18:43 Doc22           lol ikr
18:43 Doc22           lol
18:43 Octupus         So call me mayb
18:44 Doc22           I HATE THAT SONG
18:44 Doc22           its boring because it loops
18:44 Octupus         XD
18:44 Doc22           XDXDXD
18:44 OldCoder        Rikki, don't lose that number
18:44 OldCoder        You don't wanna call nobody else
18:44 OldCoder        Send it off in a letter to yourself
18:44 OldCoder        Rikki, don't lose that number
18:44 OldCoder        It's the only one you own
18:45 Octupus         :D
18:45 Doc22           lol
18:45 Octupus         Who's rikki though
18:45 OldCoder        His girlfriend I assume
18:45 Doc22           lol
18:45 Octupus         O Lolz
18:46 ruskie          Doc22, only way to really test stability is to actually use it for a prolonged period
18:49 ruskie          and have people actually use it
18:49 Doc22           i tested it
18:49 Doc22           saving
18:49 Doc22           and loading
18:50 Doc22           but you are right
18:50 ruskie          might try to figure out any other servers already running it and asking those owners how it behaves for them
18:50 ruskie          it's not like it's a brand new mod... by the dates it has been around for a bite
18:52 OldCoder        A byte running for a bite
18:52 OldCoder        Running all date and all nite
18:52 OldCoder        It is quite a sight
18:52 OldCoder        On my site
18:52 OldCoder        Running all date and all nite
18:52 OldCoder
18:52 ruskie          OldCoder++
18:54 neko259         Dudes, does anyone have an error: WARNING: ClientActiveObject: No factory for type=3
18:55 Doc22           thats from oldcoder.org
18:55 neko259         When connecting to server, it stops on loading items and nodes and does nothing.
18:55 Doc22           the poems page
18:55 OldCoder        Doc22, No
18:55 OldCoder        Doc22, that was extemporaneous
18:55 OldCoder        neko259, Hi. Which server?
18:56 neko259         Emm, mine one. I'm setting it now, it has the version from ubuntu ppa.
18:56 KikaRz          back
18:56 neko259         Other people connect fine, the problem seems to be only for me.
18:56 OldCoder        Can anybody else connect to 30007?
18:58 neko259         I forgot to tell. The server sees me connected and shows my login in the logs.
18:58 VanessaE_[L]    bbl
18:58 KikaRz          M13 servers are going to be public soon!
18:59 KikaRz          So, we've created a new Irc!
18:59 KikaRz          Join now: #m13... soon, the servers will begin
18:59 KikaRz          * #m13
19:03 OldCoder        KikaRz, he is not around
19:03 KikaRz          ... OldCOder
19:03 KikaRz          i didnt telled about M13
19:03 OldCoder        neko259, can you state the port number?
19:03 KikaRz          i know that he's not around
19:03 OldCoder        KikaRz, o.k. go on
19:03 KikaRz          but im owner of Creative server
19:03 neko259         OldCoder: 30000
19:04 Doc22           what
19:04 Doc22           oh ok
19:04 OldCoder        neko259, O.K. So you can't connect to 30000?
19:04 OldCoder        KikaRz, O.K.
19:05 KikaRz          im waiting for:
19:05 neko259         OldCoder: I can connect. But when it goes to downloading the data from server, it just freezes on 0%.
19:05 KikaRz          telek, M13, Kacey
19:05 KikaRz          etc.
19:05 KikaRz          neko259
19:05 KikaRz          patience.
19:05 KikaRz          wait at least 5 minutes
19:05 neko259         Ok.
19:08 Doc22           ok i have quit and joined my game a few times
19:08 Doc22           it is definitely stable
19:08 Doc22           no coflict
19:10 OldCoder        neko259, Are you using Windows?
19:10 neko259         OldCoder: No. The server is on debian, client on ubuntu.
19:10 neko259         The guy that can connect to the server uses fedora.
19:11 Doc22           oldcoder when will it be added (i am sure it is stable)
19:11 neko259         *client on gentoo
19:11 OldCoder        neko259, I can give you a preloaded cache. But if you wait 15 minutes the first time it should only be slow once
19:11 babyface1031    he said later Doc22
19:11 Doc22           oh so its a yes for the nonsolid blocsk
19:11 Doc22           blocks
19:11 Doc22           ?
19:12 neko259         OldCoder: I'm waiting for 15 minutes already and it's still 0%. My internet in 100Mbps, it's not the speed problem
19:12 babyface1031    <@OldCoder> More Flags, Secret Passages, and the other one babyface1031 wanted
19:12 OldCoder        neko259, Believe me...
19:12 OldCoder        neko259, we know and plan to fix the issue. But if it's still at 0% there is a problem!
19:12 babyface1031    Doc22^
19:12 OldCoder        neko259, Let me give you a preloaded cache
19:12 neko259         Ok.
19:12 neko259         What's the issue?
19:12 Doc22           oh ok
19:13 Doc22           lol
19:13 neko259         If I want to open a public server, I need to know what to tell my players :)
19:13 OldCoder        neko259, Buggy network code. C55 has a proposed fix but I haven't had time to test it.
19:13 Octupus         neko259: Ambience is the proble
19:13 Doc22           (why am i confused)
19:13 OldCoder        Octupus, neko259 The network code is bad in general
19:13 OldCoder        But there are proposed solutions
19:13 babyface1031    idk Doc
19:13 Octupus         O
19:13 neko259         Ok, I understand.
19:13 * Doc22         slaps self
19:13 Doc22           Snap out of it old boy..
19:13 OldCoder        O.K. Now...
19:13 neko259         Than give me the cache. I assume it's the universal solutions for other players?
19:13 Doc22           BY JOVE! ITS THE MENTAL DEPARTMENT
19:13 OldCoder        If I give neko259 a cache from a 32 bit system will it work on 64 bits?
19:14 OldCoder        neko259, do you have 32 bit or 64?
19:14 neko259         64.
19:14 OldCoder        Does anybody know if 32 bit cache will be compatible?
19:14 OldCoder        Hmm
19:14 neko259         Just give it to me, and I'll check.
19:14 OldCoder        neko259, try this... one moment...
19:15 neko259         I don't think the cache has something compiled against the CPU.
19:15 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
19:15 OldCoder        Download that ZIP
19:15 OldCoder        Unpack
19:15 OldCoder        Locate cache directory and move into your $HOME/.minetest directory
19:15 OldCoder        Delete the old cache directory first
19:15 OldCoder        See if it works or does not
19:15 OldCoder
19:16 OldCoder        Doc22, I will need to work for about two hours
19:16 OldCoder        Then I must break
19:16 OldCoder        MT work will follow that
19:16 Octupus         Bye OldCoder
19:16 * jordach       has had chinese
19:16 OldCoder        Not leaving yet
19:16 OldCoder        I will be here for two hours
19:16 Doc22           ok
19:16 OldCoder        Simply focused on work elsewhere
19:16 OldCoder        Distributed processing stuff
19:17 neko259         BTW, in debug.txt I see: INFO[main]: Client: Ignoring unknown command 4
19:17 OldCoder        Hmm
19:17 OldCoder        neko259, try the cache
19:17 neko259         Oh, thanks. I haven't noticed you posted it.
19:17 OldCoder        k
19:19 Octupus         O great then :)
19:20 neko259         Still on 0%.
19:20 * KikaRz        is stupid. Say that I'm cute.
19:20 neko259         ~/.minetest/cache exists and has your cache.
19:20 OldCoder        neko259, I am sorry to hear this What country are you in?
19:20 neko259         Ukraine.
19:20 OldCoder        Try the Europe server
19:20 OldCoder        europe.minetest.org 30000
19:21 OldCoder        neko259, Additionally: Do you have broadband?
19:21 neko259         OldCoder: Europe server: works.
19:23 neko259         And yes, I have a broadband.
19:23 OldCoder        neko259, network latency then
19:23 OldCoder        neko259, I may start one in Germany soon
19:23 neko259         oops, Europe server doesn't work. It downloaded the cache and then just closed the window. When I tried again, I'm still having 0%.
19:24 OldCoder        Sorry to hear it. No chance of an odd firewall problem etc. I assume.
19:24 OldCoder        neko259, try minetest.org port 30004
19:24 PilzAdam        VanessaE_[L], i will leave in a few minutes
19:26 PilzAdam        bye
19:26 neko259         It's downloading something (very slow, but does).
19:26 neko259         Downloaded and see a black window.
19:26 neko259         GL_OUT_OF_MEMORY
19:26 neko259         minetest: COpenGLDriver.cpp:2493: bool irr::video::COpenGLDriver::testGLError(): ??????????? ??????????? <<!(true)>> ?? ?????????.
19:26 neko259         Just closed.
19:27 * ruskie        connects to europe
19:27 babyface1031    we saw you neko it said you timed out
19:27 KikaRz          thats why i hate OpenGL
19:27 ruskie          works on europe
19:27 KikaRz          babyface1031...
19:27 babyface1031    yes
19:27 KikaRz          his game crashed
19:27 babyface1031    oh
19:29 neko259         Can the problem be in irrlicht version? I have 1.8
19:29 OldCoder        Hmm
19:29 OldCoder        Client and server side shouldn't need to match for that, should they? But it is conceivable
19:30 OldCoder        neko259, any chance of downgrading?
19:31 neko259         Yes, I can do that.
19:32 neko259         I'll downgrade it now (may take some minutes, cause gentoo will build it from source).
19:32 OldCoder        Sure
19:46 neko259         Rebuilt irrlicht.
19:46 neko259         And minetest still crashes.
19:47 OldCoder        We regret this
19:47 OldCoder        The next step
19:47 OldCoder        Would be for me to build you a new client
19:47 OldCoder        Which distro exactly did you indicate you were using?
19:47 OldCoder        anunakki, Hi
19:47 neko259         Gentoo.
19:47 neko259         Ebuild from hasufell, I think. But he isn't here now.
19:48 OldCoder        neko259, I have a Gentoo box and will put a new Gentoo client on the list
19:48 marktraceur     Hrm. Is there some bug in the minetestmapper.py script that causes it to not handle some parts of a map?
19:48 KikaRz          its already fixed.
19:48 OldCoder        neko259, can you link me to the exact ISO you used? To install Gentoo?
19:48 marktraceur     KikaRz: Recently?
19:48 KikaRz          yep
19:48 KikaRz          at 4 days ago
19:48 KikaRz          or 3
19:49 marktraceur     KikaRz: But not yet in a stable release, right?
19:49 neko259         OldCoder: Emm, do you want to install gentoo now?
19:49 neko259         It will take hours.
19:49 OldCoder        neko259, I will put it on the list for December
19:49 OldCoder        I often do this
19:49 sokomine        neko: gl_out_of_memory is a common problem. i have that at almost every start. and crashes happen as well. just try to connect agiain
19:49 OldCoder        I have Gentoo but may not match your version
19:49 neko259         Version of what?
19:50 neko259         Gentoo is rolling-release, there are no versions.
19:50 OldCoder        neko259, I see
19:50 marktraceur     Oh, KikaRz, that hasn't been merged yet
19:51 OldCoder        neko259, Then I'd need to prepare what... an overlay? for you?
19:51 OldCoder        Binaries would work or not?
19:51 neko259         Can you check if minetest builds for you?
19:51 KikaRz          idk
19:51 OldCoder        neko259, Who are you speaking to?
19:51 KikaRz          but its fixed
19:51 KikaRz          already
19:51 neko259         OldCoder: To you :)
19:51 marktraceur     KikaRz: Yes, I see the patch
19:53 OldCoder        neko259, Do you mean, builds under Gentoo? Yes but not today
19:53 neko259         Ok.
19:53 neko259         Then I'll just try to build a run-in-place client.
19:56 Octupus         Init.lua ?
19:56 init            wut
19:56 init            oh :P
19:57 marktraceur     KikaRz: It looks like this patch doesn't actually fix the issue, but I'll let you know when I've found out for sure
20:03 paxcoder        any bots up in here?
20:04 paxcoder        (any that support later tell)?
20:08 neko259         OldCoder: Wow, version from my overlay works fine with minetest.org. Maybe hasufell made something wrong in his one?
20:08 OldCoder        Could be
20:08 OldCoder        Where did yours come from?
20:09 neko259         I modified somebody's ebuild for 0.3.1 version.
20:09 neko259         Long long time ago.
20:10 OldCoder        And it has built 0.4.3 now?
20:10 OldCoder        neko259, would you be willing to paste the ebuild or mail it?
20:11 neko259         You can add 'nektoo' overlay.
20:11 neko259         Or find it on bitbucket.
20:11 OldCoder        neko259, a link would be helpful if you wish to share it
20:12 neko259         Ok, wait a min.
20:12 paxcoder        pft
20:13 neko259         https://bitbucket.org/neko259/nektoo/changeset/8fa2c3c138487534725482c89362cb6b8405ffb9#chg-games-action/minetest/minetest-0.4.3-r1.ebuild
20:18 OldCoder        neko259, t y
20:19 OldCoder        neko259, is that the binary or source? Can you provide the text for the overlay?
20:19 OldCoder        Ah
20:19 OldCoder        yes
20:19 neko259         OldCoder: That's a build file that helps to build from source.
20:19 OldCoder        tyes
20:19 OldCoder        Yes
20:19 OldCoder        Any way to download it?
20:20 OldCoder        This is a commit
20:20 OldCoder        Any way to download the text?
20:20 OldCoder        https://bitbucket.org/neko259/nektoo/raw/8fa2c3c138487534725482c89362cb6b8405ffb9/games-action/minetest/minetest-0.4.3-r1.ebuild
20:20 OldCoder        Is that it?
20:20 neko259         Yes.
20:21 OldCoder        All right t y
20:24 * marktraceur   sighs
20:24 marktraceur     Patch didn't fix
20:24 marktraceur     http://games.libreplanet.org/minetest/maps/current.png
20:24 marktraceur     The southernmost block has a road that should continue for about 500 more nodes into water....but nothing
20:32 OldCoder        SkyBlock is restarting for a bug fix
20:52 sokomine        if a mod uses add_node - is on_placenode called under those circumstances? or only if place_node is used?
20:55 kaeza           hey guys
20:56 kaeza           how's it going?
20:57 jin_xi          hm, thinking about making a dreidel mod :)
20:58 kaeza           dreidel? what's that?
20:59 jin_xi          you spin it, one of four sides comes up once it falls
20:59 RealBadAngel    sokomine, just put some print in on_placenode to test it
21:00 kaeza           oh got it
21:09 babyface1031    OldCoder did you shut the server down?
21:10 OldCoder        babyface1031, Yes. It was actually an accident. Was fixing SkyBlock. Regrets.
21:10 OldCoder        Should be back now
21:10 babyface1031    oh thats fine
21:10 OldCoder        Time for an errand
21:10 OldCoder        MT work will proceed when I return
21:28 NekoGloop       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jV9bB-Q7JU
21:41 * RealBadAngel  yawns
22:01 KikaRz          hi there iqualfragile
22:02 iqualfragile    hi KikaRz
22:32 KikaRz          M13_
22:32 KikaRz          Need to talk with you, URGENTLY
22:32 KikaRz          Remove the M13 block, remove the fruits mod
22:35 Octupus         Keegan is online on Ps3
22:36 Muadtralk       whats wrong with fruit?
22:36 KikaRz          dropped fruit lags servere
22:36 KikaRz          i needed to /clearobjects
22:36 KikaRz          because from day to night, over 533216 fruits generated through server
22:36 KikaRz          and it lagged it so much1
22:38 KikaRz          Where is Kacey?
22:41 OldCoder        Kacey 404
22:41 OldCoder        Back BTW
22:41 OldCoder        M13_, hello
22:41 OldCoder        MrSparkle, hi to you too and I do mean MrSparkle
22:42 MrSparkle       :3
22:42 * OldCoder      nods
22:42 * MrSparkle     nibbles
22:42 * OldCoder      laughs
22:42 M13_            hello all
22:42 OldCoder        all say hello back
22:42 OldCoder        on the track
22:42 OldCoder        M13_
22:42 OldCoder        you feel keen
22:42 OldCoder        Your world
22:43 OldCoder        is hurled
22:43 OldCoder        by fruit, apparently
22:43 M13_            lol, ik
22:43 KikaRz          yess
22:43 Octupus         Hi M13_
22:44 Octupus         OldCoder: Keegan is online ps3 :3
22:44 OldCoder        Octupus, shrug
22:45 KikaRz          Going to join VPS and fix the mods.
22:45 KikaRz          There is a M13 special block that cant be destructed
22:45 Octupus         Use world edit KikaRz
22:46 KikaRz          ...
22:46 KikaRz          Octupus
22:46 KikaRz          i need to remove fruit mod
22:46 KikaRz          and fix the m13 mod
22:46 KikaRz          bug
22:46 KikaRz          Octupus, i know using world edit
22:46 KikaRz          but problem is: IF THERE ARE A LOT OF THAT BLOCKS, ITS A F***ING SH*T
22:47 KikaRz          like today morning
22:47 KikaRz          the blocks bugged it up
22:48 OldCoder        MT work in progress
22:49 KikaRz          who knows a good remote controller for windows (to linux)
22:49 Lumpio-         What do you mean by "remote controller"
22:49 OldCoder        Can you explain?
22:49 OldCoder        rdesktop will work
22:49 Lumpio-         Remote mouse and keyboard? synergy
22:49 OldCoder        Windows has clients
22:50 KikaRz          ... but dont works
22:50 Lumpio-         rdesktop is probably the best remote desktop client from Linux to Windows
22:50 Lumpio-         VNC is probably easiest the other way
22:50 KikaRz          not from linux to windows
22:50 KikaRz          i downloaded VNC
22:50 Lumpio-         rdesktop can only connect to Windows hosts in the first place...
22:50 Lumpio-         RDP is Windows's own protocol for remote desktop
22:50 Lumpio-         If it doesn't work you're doing something wrong (probably configuration)
22:50 OldCoder        rdesktop connects fine to Linux Lumpio
22:51 OldCoder        I used it just the other day
22:51 Lumpio-         OldCoder: Linux does RDP now?
22:51 OldCoder        Yep
22:51 OldCoder        Very nicce
22:51 OldCoder        *nice
22:51 OldCoder        Smooth operation
22:51 Lumpio-         With what
22:51 OldCoder        So both Windows and Linux can access Linux
22:51 Lumpio-         oo, xrdp?
22:51 OldCoder        Hmm?
22:51 OldCoder        Yes
22:51 Lumpio-         neat
22:51 Lumpio-         Never heard of it.
22:51 OldCoder        I like it
22:51 OldCoder        Very easy too
22:51 Lumpio-         Didn't think anybody was perverted enough to implement a Microsoft remote desktop server on Linux
22:52 OldCoder        To get it to work under Mint Maya I only needed to install xrdp and create a one-line .xsession file
22:53 KikaRz          i guess im going to install 50 remote controllers for nothing
22:53 OldCoder        Does anybody have a link to celeron55 patch for the network problem? I'm ready to build now. I assume not.
22:53 KikaRz          Who knows good remote control programs for Windows that allows control into Linux?
22:54 KikaRz          for Windows TO linux
22:54 KikaRz          *from
22:56 Lumpio-         So xrdp didn't work?
22:56 Lumpio-         Did you configure it right?
22:57 KikaRz          I'm not using Linux
22:57 OldCoder        Lumpio-, are you speaking to KikaRz or me?
22:57 KikaRz          but yes, WINDOWS
22:57 KikaRz          i want to connect to a LINUX VPS
22:57 Lumpio-         KikaRz
22:57 KikaRz          I can try http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=3835 too
22:57 Lumpio-         Did you even read what we just wrote
22:57 * Muadtralk     elbowpalm's
22:58 Lumpio-         xrdp is an RDP server for Linux, you can connect to it with the RDP client that comes with Windows
22:58 KikaRz          ...
22:58 KikaRz          if i was having control to linux...
22:58 KikaRz          -.-
22:58 Lumpio-         You would what?
22:58 KikaRz          i dont have control to linux!
22:58 Lumpio-         You mean you can't log into the server at all?
22:58 KikaRz          yes
22:58 Lumpio-         Good grief
22:58 KikaRz          i wanted to Remote control VPS.
22:59 Lumpio-         You didn't think it'd be a good idea to mention that?
22:59 KikaRz          M13 gave me VPS details
22:59 KikaRz          and i dont have how to control vps.
22:59 Lumpio-         Speak English
22:59 Lumpio-         You don't have control, or you don't know how to control
22:59 Lumpio-         Which one is it
23:00 KikaRz          uff
23:00 KikaRz          joined vps
23:01 KikaRz          oh fuck.
23:01 KikaRz          The NX service is not available or the NX access was disabled on host m13.******.***
23:01 kaeza1          hi
23:01 Lumpio-         Did you install "NX"?
23:02 KikaRz          yep
23:02 Lumpio-         ...on the server you doofus
23:02 Lumpio-         If you didn't there's probably nothing there to respond.
23:02 Lumpio-         There is no desktop installed on Linux servers by default?
23:02 Lumpio-         (Or well, on by far most of them at least. Can't say for 100% of them)
23:02 Lumpio-         KikaRz: It's all command line. Get an SSH client like a PuTTY derivative
23:03 Lumpio-         -?
23:03 KikaRz          well
23:03 KikaRz          i can also try command line...
23:03 Lumpio-         Have you ever actually *used* Linux?
23:03 KikaRz          yep
23:03 KikaRz          but never by Remote control
23:03 Lumpio-         On the command line?
23:03 KikaRz          Next to Connected to m13.******.***
23:03 Lumpio-         It doesn't make a difference. The terminal looks exactly the same.
23:04 KikaRz          it appears that error
23:04 Lumpio-         what
23:04 KikaRz          well
23:04 KikaRz          i know working by command line 51%
23:05 KikaRz          he said me to type this command
23:05 KikaRz          screen -x
23:05 KikaRz          next to enter the vps
23:05 Lumpio-         51%, that's pretty exact
23:05 Lumpio-         If you're on Windows you'll have to install an SSH client
23:05 KikaRz          uh...
23:05 KikaRz          link
23:05 Lumpio-         www.google.com
23:05 Lumpio-         ...why am I even trying to explain this, this guy probably won't be able to do anything even if he managed to get in
23:06 OldCoder        Gal
23:06 OldCoder        Young woman
23:06 OldCoder        Lumpio-, ^
23:06 OldCoder        Lumpio-, and you'd explain it for the sake of educating
23:06 OldCoder        They can make a contribution later
23:06 Lumpio-         "Guy" is a reasonable guess based on statistical analysis
23:06 OldCoder        Oh, yes :-)
23:06 OldCoder        You're right about that
23:06 OldCoder        But we have several women here
23:06 Lumpio-         Yeah, but I can't be bothered to explain Linux usage 101
23:07 KikaRz          searching for:
23:07 OldCoder        If you can't be bothered that is your right
23:07 KikaRz          ssh client windows
23:07 OldCoder        Yes
23:07 KikaRz          Installing PuTTY
23:07 OldCoder        What happened with putty ?
23:07 OldCoder        Ah. Good.
23:07 KikaRz          then?
23:07 harrison        chicks don't usually groove on computer stuff, man
23:08 KikaRz          YAY
23:08 KikaRz          WORKED!
23:09 KikaRz          Its an Ubuntu system
23:09 KikaRz          Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 2.6.32-042stab061.2 i686)
23:09 Lumpio-         neat
23:09 KikaRz          he's on server
23:13 OldCoder        KikaRz, glad to hear it
23:23 kaeza1          hi
23:32 KikaRz          you back
23:32 KikaRz          what happened to you?
23:32 KikaRz          you timed otu
23:32 KikaRz          *out
23:32 M13             no
23:32 M13             I left
23:32 KikaRz          SERVER: UbuntuNerd left the server. (Timed out)
23:33 KikaRz          you dont want to build a spawn or something?
23:38 KikaRz          guys
23:38 KikaRz          how i edit a file (like minetest.conf) in a vps? (SSL Client)
23:38 OldCoder        KikaRz, Using nano or joe etc.
23:39 OldCoder        A text editor
23:39 KikaRz          nano
23:39 KikaRz          but how?
23:39 OldCoder        apt-get install nano
23:39 KikaRz          already installed
23:39 OldCoder        Then: nano foo.txt
23:39 OldCoder        Edit
23:39 OldCoder        Control X I think to exit
23:39 OldCoder        Done
23:45 KikaRz          bye
23:45 KikaRz          good night
23:52 RealBadAngel    is minetest alive?
23:52 RealBadAngel    Taoki have somethin to show ya all
23:53 RealBadAngel    i think you gonna like it