Time  Nick             Message
00:00 VanessaE         yeah, they are.
00:01 VanessaE         when it works right, it'll get rid of anything that moves, pretty much :-)
00:01 VanessaE         so it's the smart bomb of Minetest :D
00:02 VanessaE         ouch.
00:02 VanessaE         wonder what he did :-)
00:03 kaeza            "Smart Bomb" LOL
00:03 kaeza            gonna try it later. I believe your Flowers are nodes right?
00:03 VanessaE         yes.
00:03 VanessaE         not that I'm too happy with the CPU usage of the flowers mod (I need some feedback on that)
00:04 VanessaE         but it'll survive a /clearobjects
00:04 kaeza            I like the flowers, but yes. Could make them appear less often when not from mapgen
00:05 kaeza            do you use abm?
00:05 VanessaE         they use an ABM because I want them to re-grow over time.
00:05 VanessaE         I don't know how to link agains the map generator, and besides, the original Ironzorg flowers did the same.
00:05 VanessaE         I just improved on it :-0
00:05 VanessaE         :-)
00:06 kaeza            I want to make a suggestion. Maybe make the flowers need sunlight to grow?
00:06 kaeza            Is it possible?
00:06 VanessaE         I did however, tone down the CPU usage in the last release, stopped making them spawn on dirt (but rather, only on grass).
00:06 VanessaE         it is possible, yes.  the seaweed needs a certain level of sunlight to grow, for example.
00:07 jin_xi           there are no moon phases in mt, right?
00:07 VanessaE         no
00:07 VanessaE         of course, there's no moon at all either, just a big, white square :-)
00:08 VanessaE         (I really REALLY wish someone would implement texturable sun and moon!)
00:13 T_A_N_K          I can
00:13 T_A_N_K          It's easy
00:13 kaeza            About the seaweed, I didn't notice that. But I don't like this so much: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/flowers.jpg
00:13 T_A_N_K          Just photoshop the sun into the image
00:13 VanessaE         T_A_N_K: um...what image?
00:14 VanessaE         the sun/moon are generated algorithmically
00:14 T_A_N_K          It was a joke god flapchack damnit
00:14 VanessaE         heh
00:15 VanessaE         kaeza: good point.  I'll add something in the next release, but how much light should they need?
00:16 kaeza            Hmmm... don't know how MT finds the light level of a node
00:16 VanessaE         minetest.env:get_node_light(pos, nil)
00:17 T_A_N_K          someone please come help me test this server
00:17 VanessaE         wait a sec, the flowers already require some light to spawn
00:17 VanessaE         namely light > 4.
00:17 VanessaE         shall I raise it?
00:18 kaeza            What's the level of direct sunlight?
00:18 VanessaE         14.
00:18 VanessaE         that's the max.
00:18 VanessaE         what's the level at say 5:30am?
00:18 kaeza            maybe half that one?
00:18 * VanessaE       checkds
00:18 VanessaE         checks*
00:19 VanessaE         looks like 12.  Three steps below max anyway
00:20 VanessaE         so how about light > 10 ?
00:20 kaeza            that seems good
00:20 VanessaE         that'll be close to 5:00am game time
00:22 VanessaE         one sec, testing my change.
00:22 VanessaE         yup, right at about 5am or 7pm.
00:22 kaeza            could you post update here?
00:23 kaeza            link I mean
00:23 VanessaE         updated.
00:23 VanessaE         pull it from my main repo.
00:23 VanessaE         shit, forums are down.
00:23 VanessaE         https://github.com/VanessaE/flowers
00:23 kaeza            duh
00:23 VanessaE         I forgot :)
00:23 kaeza            J/K :P
00:24 VanessaE         :P
00:24 kaeza            OK now DL'ing
00:25 VanessaE         can I get you to do me a favor?
00:26 kaeza            yeah sure. what do you need?
00:27 VanessaE         I could use some feedback on how that mod affects the average player's install.  Does it cause a lot of lag?  a little?  none?  Lots of CPU time?  Does it spawn dogs and cats? Do they live together in a state of mass hysteria? ;)
00:28 VanessaE         my machine may not be state-of-the-art, but it's a fast sucker, too much so for me to be able to tell if a more average machine does okay with it.
00:29 OldCoder         For world 30004 people: I am *still* working on that world
00:30 T_A_N_K          Vanessae, make your flowers spawn on chunk generate, and make flower seeds
00:30 kaeza            I have a 3.1 GHz Intel Dual Core w/ 4GB of RAM. But i'll give it a try.
00:30 kaeza            now testing
00:31 VanessaE         T_A_N_K: no way.  Do not want.
00:31 T_A_N_K          Then have fun with your abms lagging servers lol
00:31 VanessaE         they should grow wild, with the ABM the way they do now.
00:32 VanessaE         ABMs only lag servers if they're code-heavy
00:32 T_A_N_K          Hence, flowers
00:32 VanessaE         OldCoder: you use flowers on some of your servers.  How does it behave there?
00:34 T_A_N_K          If you have a block of grass (which is everywhere) everytime it loads and checks it lags just make it load on chunk, i mean, i already wrote the code for you, so stop being a republican and try it lol
00:35 OldCoder         VanessaE, I haven't noticed huge CPU spikes or crashes
00:35 VanessaE         loading via mapgen still means it has to hit every node in the chunk for every chunk generated, it also means the flowers won't re-grow over time.
00:35 OldCoder         That are attributed to flowers
00:35 VanessaE         OldCoder: ok
00:35 VanessaE         thanks
00:35 kaeza            neither do I
00:35 T_A_N_K          Flowers have seeds, your mod does not, so even if you are going for realism, without seeds, flowers are null
00:35 kaeza            It runs as always
00:36 kaeza            BTW your High Res texture packs are awesome!
00:36 VanessaE         kaeza: thanks :-)
00:36 kaeza            T_A_N_K: quit bitching about seeds
00:37 VanessaE         Oh, that reminds me:  even my piddly little Mobility Radeon 9600 on my laptop can handle 64px ;)
00:37 T_A_N_K          I'm not motherfucker, I'm trying to make a mod better
00:37 VanessaE         I don't dare hit it with the 512px size though, it'll explode :D
00:37 T_A_N_K          512x runs quite nicely
00:37 kaeza            I'm currently using 128px on an Intel Series 4 (something 4000 I think)
00:39 VanessaE         T_A_N_K: now if I could just make a realistic, SHARP 16px variant and get it pushed to master. :-)
00:39 kaeza            On that topic, some suggestions: Add PilzAdam's farming and farming_plus, plus the streets mod.
00:39 VanessaE         kaeza: I need textures for those, and I've been too lazy :D
00:39 T_A_N_K          Vaneesae i kinda give up on talking to you lol
00:39 VanessaE         I still haven't updated it for the latest Home Decor
00:39 VanessaE         T_A_N_K: after all this time, surely you know how opinionated I am :D
00:40 T_A_N_K          minetest.net is always down, there are spammers, noobs, the community doesn't get along with eachother, idk why i play minecraft or minetest
00:40 kaeza            T_A_N_K: If we wanted a realistic game, we wouldn't play any games after all.
00:40 kaeza            oh gone :(
00:41 VanessaE         we'd go out in the world with a shovel and pick and start digging up the ground :-)
00:41 VanessaE         wonder how deep I have to go to find Mese though.......
00:41 VanessaE         :D
00:41 kaeza            LOL Let's cut down the tree on my backyard with my bare hands :)
00:41 VanessaE         lol
00:43 kaeza            the flowers mod runs as fast as always. Maybe you could add more flowers ;)
00:43 VanessaE         I might consider it :-()
00:43 VanessaE         :-)
00:43 OldCoder         VanessaE, we still look forward to seeing the new house as a schem; perhaps in one of my worlds
00:43 VanessaE         I already added geraniums and seaweed to the original set
00:44 kaeza            Maybe sunflower
00:44 VanessaE         OldCoder: coming soon
00:44 kaeza            looks pretty
00:44 OldCoder         VanessaE, Turn on Full Range before copy
00:44 VanessaE         kaeza: sda97's more flowers mod has those.
00:44 VanessaE         OldCoder: of course.
00:44 kaeza            oh didn't know about that one
00:44 kaeza            silly me
00:44 VanessaE         kaeza: but I consider that mod to be too much duplication of effort.
00:45 kaeza            Anyone has DL link for testing?
00:45 VanessaE         not handy, sorry
00:45 kaeza            oh I see
00:45 kaeza            VanessaE: oh I see
00:46 VanessaE         the only thing that bugs me about his is that he took the concept of my/ironzorg's mod and extended it *after* I released my updated one, duplicating most of the existing flowers AND naming it the same initially.
00:46 kaeza            I've been in the forums not for a long time, but I see there is a massive duplication of effort
00:46 VanessaE         instead of just making a mod - with my code if he wanted to - that *only* had new stuff.
00:47 kaeza            I mean, we have 213618763 mods that add mobs (of which none works flawlessly). If all those coders got in a concentrated effort together, maybe we could get a good one
00:48 kaeza            but that's OPEN source I guess
00:48 VanessaE         the closest to "flawless" that I've seen is Jeija's "slimes" mod.
00:49 VanessaE         of course I'm a little biased, I made the textures for it :D
00:49 kaeza            :)
00:50 kaeza            I tried MOBF but lags as hell (NOTE TO SELF: does hell lag?). Also tried Simple Mobs but didn't work. Gotta try the slimes :)
00:50 VanessaE         it's my understanding that hell lags quite severely, or at least the Nether mod does :D
00:51 kaeza            lol
00:51 VanessaE         (stole that from NekoGloop)
00:51 VanessaE         Taoki|away: wait.
00:51 Taoki|away       ?
00:51 Taoki|away       It's late, need to go in a minute
00:51 VanessaE         Taoki|away: how's 3d players coming along?
00:52 Taoki|away       Waiting for RBA's lua keys patch to get merget to master, then I am continuing
00:52 VanessaE         cool
00:52 Taoki|away       **merged
00:52 VanessaE         good night then :-)
00:52 Taoki|away       yeah :)
00:52 Taoki|away       night
00:56 kaeza            I've been just thinking... are you a pro or you do it for a hobby? Because your textures look really good, and as you said in the HD tex pack, it was made by you from your and your husband's photographies.
00:56 VanessaE         purely a hobby.
00:56 kaeza            :O
00:56 VanessaE         some of it came from my photography, some from Abe's, some was rendered, but most came from Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, and a couple other free sites.
00:57 kaeza            That makes me feel bad. I'm sort of in the business and I only made this crappy image: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest-freeman.png
00:57 VanessaE         if you strip out the repeat-but-recolored stuff (like all but one of the wool, cotton, bricks, etc textures), it's probably about 1/3 my/abe's work.
00:58 jin_xi           is that a lambda on his chest?
00:58 kaeza            yeah... supposed to be
00:58 VanessaE         heh
00:58 jin_xi           and you wield a parenthese?
00:58 VanessaE         that's clearly a slash. :-)
00:59 kaeza            Nah, it's a sheared block meant to represent the trademark "Crowbar"
00:59 kaeza            does it look so bad?
00:59 kaeza            :(
01:00 VanessaE         heh
01:00 VanessaE         it needs work, but you'll get there.
01:03 kaeza            :)
01:03 kaeza            I have some other project going on, but it's currently on hold. What do you think of these images? done by me also: http://cosmorpg.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php?id=chars
01:09 Doc22            oldcoder are you too busy to play
01:10 OldCoder         Yep
01:11 OldCoder         I am repairing 30004
01:11 OldCoder         All day actually
01:11 OldCoder         Not personally
01:11 OldCoder         But trying different things
01:11 OldCoder         Maybe in an hour
01:11 kaeza            buh MT forums still down :(
01:12 Doc22            ok
01:28 kaeza            LOL seems I'm not the only one that thinks this way: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/507c7f2d2a291.jpeg
01:28 VanessaE         lol
01:38 Dogzilla131      is the forum down
01:38 VanessaE         yup
01:42 VanessaE         bbiab
01:42 kaeza            OK
01:54 NakedFury        hello
02:00 M13              hello
02:00 M13              I like puppy linux
02:04 * marktraceur    greets the channel a bit more formally
02:04 marktraceur      I'm actually trying this: http://www.indiegogo.com/free-game-modding
02:05 marktraceur      Crowd-funding for part-time development of Minetest mods, priorities voted on by contributors, rewards for various contributions (stickers, posters, t-shirts)
02:06 marktraceur      I welcome support, but perhaps more importantly, I welcome criticism. If you think something doesn't seem right, tell me!
02:27 babyface1031     hi everyone
02:37 babyface1031     hi everyone how is everyone
02:37 dzho             marktraceur: a bit of a peeve I inherited from a pedant friend:  something is either unique, or it is not unique.  There are not degrees of uniqueness such that something can be very unique.
02:39 dzho             so, that's offered in the spirit of feedback.  I recognize that "very unique" has some currency, so wouldn't be put off by your just ignoring me on this point.
02:50 Doc22            babyface farming by pilzadam is wtfpl right
02:50 Doc22            or whoever can answer that question
02:50 Doc22            the forums are down...
02:53 Doc22            'ello
02:53 Kacey            hello all
02:56 babyface1031     hi Doc22
02:57 kaeza            hi again guys
02:57 babyface1031     i can look
02:57 OldCoder         babyface1031, Hi
02:57 babyface1031     hi @OldCoder
02:58 Doc22            hey
02:59 OldCoder         babyface1031, Doc22 I may need to let something I'm doing with 30004 run overnight
03:00 babyface1031     ok thats fine :)
03:00 babyface1031     i have had a rough night so
03:00 Doc22            ok
03:00 OldCoder         How so?
03:00 Doc22            lol
03:00 Doc22            yeah
03:00 Doc22            how
03:00 OldCoder         babyface1031, How is it going?
03:00 Doc22            probs with the kids?
03:01 babyface1031     yes is was my son he is sick
03:01 Doc22            oh yeah you said that last night to me
03:02 Doc22            i hope he gets better
03:02 babyface1031     ty i hope too
03:03 babyface1031     and i looked Doc22 the farming by pilzadam is a wtfpl
03:03 Doc22            ok
03:03 Doc22            thanks
03:04 babyface1031     np
03:05 Kacey            hello
03:05 Doc22            hello
03:06 babyface1031     hi Kacey
03:06 Kacey            my mod is coming alonng nicely
03:09 Doc22            nice
03:10 NakedFury        I know the perfect add on for technic mod: a mole machine. place it looking todars a block, right click to bring up its menu, tell it how many blocks to eat and click start
03:10 Kacey            well program it
03:11 Doc22            that would be cool
03:11 RealBadAngel     seen something like this
03:11 Doc22            btw nakedfury would you add support for my campfire mod to your texture pack
03:11 telek1           VanessaE: Nevermind multiple suns/moons :D And maybe once a year/decade where the moon comes too close to the planet and you can fly up and land on it and mine it for moon-cheese :)
03:11 Doc22            yay
03:11 Doc22            i like cheese
03:11 Kacey            i have always wanted to go to the moon
03:11 RealBadAngel     with simple code, dig x digs x nodes, turn left or right
03:12 RealBadAngel     move x nodes
03:12 babyface1031     that sounds neat have it eat and trash some items but other items keep
03:12 Doc22            yeha
03:12 Doc22            you could make an area where you tell it what to trash
03:12 Doc22            and everything else is kept
03:13 Kacey            what is code for any tool?
03:13 RealBadAngel     could be fun with taoki 3d, make it on wheels
03:13 telek1           VanessaE: Even with other stuff running a sub 2ghz Core2 chip is fast enough to run a decently sized minetest world.
03:13 Doc22            yeah but dont make it look stupid lol
03:14 Kacey            rba do you know because you made the tool workshop
03:14 Doc22            so far you have made cool stuff... dont ruin that record
03:14 mayly            hoi, has anyone an idea how to change the sky color?
03:15 Kacey            easy
03:15 RealBadAngel     what about tool workshop?
03:16 Doc22            that looks cool
03:16 Kacey            what did you put in the code for any tool?
03:17 RealBadAngel     https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/tool_workshop.lua#L54
03:18 Kacey            i think i get it
03:18 Kacey            got*
03:20 Doc22            got to go
03:23 Kacey            ok how does toolrepair type of craffting work?
03:24 RealBadAngel     i dont cheack it
03:24 RealBadAngel     just the "wear"
03:24 Kacey            but i mean there is a crafting recipe for this and i cannot figure it out
03:27 Kacey            got it
03:27 Kacey            forgot a comma
03:27 marktraceur      dzho: Thanks, you're right, I changed the word :)
03:28 Kacey            ok now what is the code for anytool
03:30 Kacey            rba i do not see the code for anytool in the code
03:33 Kacey            wouldnt it just be any:tool?
03:34 babyface1031     well i am getting off for the night be on tomorrow when i can
03:35 Kacey            k
03:35 Kacey            I NEED SOME HELP!!!!!
03:35 RealBadAngel     if it has "wear" its a tool
03:36 Kacey            what do i put in the code
03:36 Kacey            it is just a crafting recipe
03:37 RealBadAngel     what kind of recipe?
03:38 Kacey            in the crafting grid
03:38 Kacey            or do i have to make a new tab
03:38 RealBadAngel     what do you want to get?
03:38 * telek1         hands Kacey a card for a psychiatrist.
03:39 * Kacey          no longer needs a psychiatrist but a hostage negotiator
03:39 Kacey            to sharpen (repair) tools with an ingot of the sharpening ore
03:41 kaeza            Guys, tell me what do you think about this one: https://sites.google.com/site/lkaezadl3/minetest-city
03:42 Kacey            i like that city
03:44 kaeza            In the city, everything was done by hand. But then the worldedit nation attacked!!
03:44 Kacey            lol
03:44 Kacey            do you have hamachi?
03:45 kaeza            what is that
03:45 kaeza            ?
03:45 Kacey            so that i may build in your city
03:47 kaeza            oh not currently. The problem is my broadband plan. I have a monthly bandwidth of 4GB (crap!), so I can't currently provide a public server, sorry :( That would be cool though. And thanks for trying to join :)
03:48 Kacey            hamachi doesnt make it a public server
03:48 telek1           kaeza: No kidding.
03:48 Kacey            more of a private server
03:49 telek1           I've got a nice fiber setup, but it's a 40 gig cap, and the 'unlimited' commercial version is only 1 megabit upstream, which calculated out as only 40 gigs a month anyhow :D
03:49 kaeza            being public or private doesn't actually matter much. The problem is how much bandwidth does MT consume?
03:49 Kacey            idk
03:49 telek1           kaeza: Quite a lot if the clients aren't caching everything.
03:49 Kacey            OldCoder would know
03:50 telek1           What's an average chunk size?
03:50 OldCoder         Hi
03:50 telek1           Because ATM my full map, which is maybe 1000ish cells cubed (partial, not completely filled) is like a few hundred megs.
03:51 Kacey            oldcoder i am stuck
03:51 telek1           Even assuming a player only hits a few dozen to hundred of those a session, depending on how they reload that could add up fast.
03:51 OldCoder         Where?
03:51 OldCoder         Kacey, ^
03:51 Kacey            with my newest mod
03:52 VanessaE         ok, back.
03:52 Kacey            wb
03:52 VanessaE         thanks
03:52 VanessaE         telek1: I dunno, that might be slightly overkill :D
03:52 VanessaE         (re: multiple suns/moons)
03:52 kaeza__          being public or private doesn't actually matter much. The problem is how much bandwidth does MT consume?
03:53 telek1           VanessaE: Yeah, but it'd allow a lot more variety :)
03:53 VanessaE         kaeza: a few 10's of kB/sec at most.
03:54 telek1           VanessaE: Per player?
03:55 Kacey            ooh i have a creative server anyone want to join?
03:55 kaeza            :(
03:56 VanessaE         telek1: well, as measured from the client end, I'm getting a max of ~11kB/sec letting the map around me load up on redcrab's server
03:56 * telek1         nods.
03:56 VanessaE         seems to float around 4 kB/sec average at idle
03:56 telek1           Almost low enough to play over dialup.
03:56 VanessaE         less now, under 2kB/sec
03:57 VanessaE         run to a new area, bandwidth raises to about 20 kB/sec
03:57 kaeza            Is that so? It may be even lower than playing let's say Counter-Strike.
03:57 VanessaE         oh, brief spike at 60 there.
03:57 VanessaE         mostly not even enough to register on my bandwidth meter
03:57 kaeza            I'm missing a lot of fun :(
03:58 telek1           Problem is while it may seem small on the client end, you add up 10-20 players and it's enough to go over your cap.
03:58 VanessaE         true that
03:58 VanessaE         hm someone over north of the spawn has been doing some serious logging and not replanting >:-(
03:59 telek1           Bummer.
03:59 telek1           Anybody done work on 'vehicle blocking'
03:59 kaeza            60KB is actually impressive considering the lot of data you have to transfer (nodes, ents, etc).
03:59 telek1           IE for building things larger than a ship and having the blocks stay together?
04:00 VanessaE         kaeza: most of the bulk of that kinda of data is transferred at login time actuallty
04:00 VanessaE         -y
04:00 kaeza            telek1: also looking for that. Did you see the subway on my city?
04:00 VanessaE         -t+y
04:00 telek1           kaeza: Depends on how much metadata is sent to the client, but yeah.
04:00 Kacey            67.162.156.91 port 30000 if you want to join
04:00 telek1           kaeza: Nope, only been on one public server. Otherwise I was mostly hanging out on my own.
04:01 * telek1         may pop on in a bit, has a lot of stuff going on in other windows ATM.
04:01 kaeza            It's not actually a server. Look at  https://sites.google.com/site/lkaezadl3/minetest-city
04:02 Kacey            alright kaeza do you want to build a city with me?
04:02 NakedFury        my 151 long 32 high oval shaped tunnel entrance to the future underground kingdom is done
04:03 Kacey            nothing is more fun than setting a whole forest on fire
04:03 telek1           kaeza: That's a mod idea.
04:03 kaeza            Kacey: Gonna try for a couple of minutes. To see how it works (on my end; my wireless modem can download almost a bit per hour :P)
04:03 Kacey            ok
04:03 NakedFury        151 long, 32 high, 177 wide
04:04 telek1           Generate maps with old <blah>city 2k style maps (ie macro-sized features compared to the current mapgen) then have a ton of predeveloped randomized buildings that can be placed on them from a 'gods eye' view.
04:05 kaeza            now connecting...
04:05 Kacey            k
04:06 Kacey            you are on
04:06 kaeza            almost done :)
04:06 kaeza            ok
04:06 NakedFury        how many blocks fit in a 100 high 1000 wide/long circle?
04:07 telek1           Nakedfury: Look up an oblong sphere formula?
04:07 telek1           Or maybe 'egg'?
04:08 NakedFury        I made the circle using windows paint so I have the shape ready
04:08 NakedFury        mining it from rock is gonna be a pain
04:08 telek1           Less than 100 million?
04:09 NakedFury        well not all parts will be 100 high
04:09 VanessaE         NakedFury: if hollow, I'd say something on the order of 50,000 or so.
04:09 NakedFury        im gonna make it in steps. first floor about 30 or so high, then 20 under next floor, then less and less until 8 high last floor
04:10 NakedFury        then im gonna think of a cool name for such hard work
04:10 VanessaE         calculate 50 time the circumference of that circle, add 10%, should get you close/.
04:10 VanessaE         if solid, calculate the volume of a sphere (pi * radius cubed), divide by 2.
04:10 VanessaE         should get you reasonably close anyway.
04:10 NakedFury        thats incredibly pain indusing VanessaaE
04:11 VanessaE         well lesse here..
04:11 NakedFury        I will just say it took 30 millions tons of cubes to hollow it
04:11 NakedFury        people will believe it
04:11 VanessaE         pi * diameter * 50 = 3.1415 * 1000 * 50 = 157075
04:11 VanessaE         so maybe half that amount in practice.
04:12 NakedFury        pi * 1000 * 50 =?
04:12 VanessaE         pi * radius³ = 3.1415 * 50³ = 3.1415 * 125000 = 392687.  Probably half that number in practice also.
04:12 NakedFury        157,079.63267948966192313216916398
04:13 VanessaE         wait, that's wrong.
04:13 VanessaE         it's 4/3 pi R cubed isn't it?
04:13 NakedFury        the diameter is 1000
04:14 VanessaE         so, pi * radius³ = 3.1415 * 50³ * 4/3 = 3.1415 * 125000 * 1.33333 =~ 523583
04:15 VanessaE         so in other words, a metric fuckload of material.
04:15 NakedFury        do you know this from memory?
04:15 VanessaE         basic math from school yeah
04:15 NakedFury        basic my butt
04:15 VanessaE         volume of a sphere = pi * radius ^ cubed * 4/3
04:15 VanessaE         circumference of a circle = pi * diameter
04:16 VanessaE         I don't remember the volume or surface area calculations for an oblate spheroid though, which is what you want.
04:16 VanessaE         so I'm guesstimating
04:17 VanessaE         ah
04:17 Kacey            kaeza get back on in a sec
04:17 kaeza            k
04:17 VanessaE         volume of oblate spheroid:  pi * long radius ^ cubed * short radius * 4/3
04:17 Kacey            k go ahead and get on
04:18 kaeza            connecting...
04:19 VanessaE         so for your 1000-diameter 100-high spheroid, the volume would be about 52,359,878 nodes.
04:19 VanessaE         I was off a tiny bit :D
04:20 VanessaE         long radius squared btw, not cubed.
04:20 VanessaE         (I still calculated it right anyway)
04:20 VanessaE         lesse...
04:20 NakedFury        lots of blocks
04:21 NakedFury        a bit sad we dont have npcs to populate it
04:21 NakedFury        gnomes
04:22 VanessaE         2 * pi * long radius squared * (1 + (1 - e squared) / e * tanh(e) ^ -1), where e = 1 - (short radius squared) / (long radius squared) = not worth the effort to calculate it out :D
04:22 NakedFury        this game needs a better light source
04:22 VanessaE         ^^^ surface area = hollow spheroid.
04:22 NakedFury        torches just dont cover enough
04:22 VanessaE         NakedFury: get Home Decor and More Blocks.  those add nice lights.
04:23 telek1           kaeza: That is an awesome city btw.
04:24 VanessaE         1000-diameter 100-high speroid = 1,634,412 nodes for the surface area.
04:25 VanessaE         add about 10% to that figure to account for the blockiness of the surface.
04:25 VanessaE         NakedFury: there's your figures.
04:25 VanessaE         roughly 52,359,878 nodes for a solid one, 1,634,412 for a hollow one.
04:25 VanessaE         jeesh
04:26 VanessaE         (I cheated and used an online calculator for the hollow one)
04:26 Kacey            how do i recall a worldedit save?
04:26 VanessaE         Kacey: //load
04:27 Kacey            ooh ok
04:27 OldCoder         Wait
04:27 OldCoder         //metasave and //metaload
04:27 OldCoder         Work better BUT
04:27 OldCoder         You should turn on full range first
04:27 OldCoder         and use the latest git version
04:27 OldCoder
04:28 * VanessaE       tries to garner up the energy to sign on and start building her house.
04:28 telek1           NakedFury: Better light sources means more computation, which c55 was originally trying to avoid.
04:28 NakedFury        ohh
04:28 VanessaE         NakedFury: get Home Decor and use the lights therein.  they're quite bright.
04:28 NakedFury        well I said that because a torch just works for like 2 spaces
04:29 telek1           Yeah longer distance, more calculations per source.
04:29 NakedFury        im using lots of lights right now
04:31 VanessaE         saw an interesting use of one of my lighting panels just a bit ago - a leaf block sitting on top of a large white "ceiling" panel (but embedded into the ground).
04:31 NakedFury        ohh well good night
04:32 kaeza            Kacey are you here?
04:32 Kacey            yes
04:33 Kacey            you timed out
04:42 VanessaE         hah!  slashdot just took a shit
04:42 VanessaE         (at least, the science., tech., news., and hardware. domains anyway)
04:42 VanessaE         there it goes
04:43 telek1           Interesting
04:44 OldCoder         I am aslee...
04:44 OldCoder         Zzz
04:45 * telek1         waves @ OC.
04:45 VanessaE         OldCoder: it's too early to go to bed
04:46 VanessaE         (I say as I yawn)
04:46 OldCoder         got a possible job offer from Finland coming at 5:00am
04:46 OldCoder         Zzz
04:46 OldCoder         snore
04:46 VanessaE         wow
04:46 OldCoder         sleep
04:46 OldCoder         etc.
04:48 telek1           OC: Remote, or worth the relocation?
04:55 VanessaE         probably remotely, OC is in the US somewhere.
04:55 VanessaE         that'd be one hell of a relocation ;)
04:57 telek1           VanessaE: I know other people who have, hence my inquiry :D
04:58 VanessaE         fair enough :-)
05:25 telek1           That's interesting.
05:27 VanessaE         ?
05:28 telek1           My minetest server hung. Appears to be creating and destroying threads.
05:29 telek1           Endlessly.
05:29 VanessaE         odd.
05:30 telek1           Also: Jolt+Coffee=Rootbeerish foam.
05:30 VanessaE         heh
05:30 VanessaE         perhaps you should stick to just one form of caffeine
05:31 VanessaE         you start mixing jolt + coffee you're going to run a risk of upsetting the very fabric of spacetime itself :)
05:31 telek1           Usually I do, but the water hadn't finished filtering to dilute my coffee :D
05:31 VanessaE         lol
05:32 marktraceur      Run Jolt through a Brita, then use it to brew coffee
05:32 * telek1         grins @ mark :D
05:32 marktraceur      Result: Jolt-flavored coffee without that pesky heart attack
05:33 telek1           Sadly it's not real jolt. It's got HFCS in it, and not even the 'maybe, depending on run' :D
05:33 marktraceur      (I've heard that vodka + Brita is good fun, if not particularly alcoholic)
05:33 VanessaE         ew.
05:33 VanessaE         that shit is evil.
05:33 telek1           HFCS, or Vodka? :D
05:33 marktraceur      Or Brita?
05:33 VanessaE         HFCS of course :)
05:33 marktraceur      High Flying Circus Seals
05:33 * telek1         ponders selling carbonated Vodka with HFCS as the second ingredient behind water :D
05:33 VanessaE         as for water filters, we use a PÅ«r. :-)
05:34 marktraceur      I'd buy tickets
05:34 VanessaE         carbonated vodka sweetened with HFCS?  *erk*
05:34 telek1           Mmmmm those seal they rhyme with veal.
05:34 telek1           Vodka+Red Bull: The liquid equivalent of a speedball? :D
05:35 VanessaE         lol
05:35 telek1           Well it's probably killed as many people, it's just cheaper to make :D
05:35 telek1           Anybody here play Xevil?
05:50 kaeza            hmm... try aspirine and soda
05:50 telek1           kaeza: Why's that?
05:50 VanessaE         not familiar with it.
05:51 Kacey            hello
05:52 kaeza            two aspirines and a full big glass of soda (preferably cola) keeps you awake for about a  month or so
05:52 VanessaE         wb Kacey
05:52 kaeza            hello again
05:52 Kacey            or just one mountain dew and some nyquil
05:52 VanessaE         aspirine?  you don't mean aspirin do you?
05:52 kaeza            yeah sorry for typo. not native speaker
05:53 VanessaE         heh, that' ok
05:53 VanessaE         that's*
05:53 VanessaE         wasn't sure if you meant aspirin or some other chemical with a similar name.
05:53 Kacey            vanessa you should see the towers we built
05:53 kaeza            lol at least I write englisch proprly
05:53 VanessaE         (at least you didn't acetylsalisilic acid ;) )
05:54 VanessaE         (not sure if I spelled that right.  it's the chemical name for aspirin :-) )
05:54 kaeza            yeah, for me it's better said ""ácido acetil salisílico"
05:54 VanessaE         it's amazing what you can learn from old movies :D
05:54 kaeza            what they normally call aspirin
05:55 Kacey            what is your native language
05:55 VanessaE         looks like spanish
05:55 kaeza            yeah I learned english from videogames
05:55 VanessaE         or whatever that related one is they speak in some countries
05:55 kaeza            english class at highschool is crap
05:56 Kacey            lol the name on the google site should have given me a hint
05:56 kaeza            yeah spanish, I'm from Uruguay
05:56 Kacey            nice
05:56 VanessaE         Uruguay, wow
05:56 VanessaE         that's a new one on me, haven't met anyone from there
05:56 Kacey            im from nomansland colorado off the united states
05:57 Kacey            of*
05:57 telek1           kaeza: And you'd probably qualify better than many native speakers, at least here in the US :D
05:57 VanessaE         West Carolina here (or that's what we'd call it if we secede from North Carolina some day)
05:57 kaeza            cause I'm sort of a grammar nazi :)
05:57 * Kacey          is dying because that statement was true
05:57 telek1           VanessaE: You'd need more than texas to secede to get them to agree to that :D
05:58 Kacey            just send in clolorado and we are good lol
05:58 Kacey            everything is bigger in texas but everything is MASSIVE in colorado
05:58 VanessaE         telek1: nonono, I mean just from the state, not from the US :-()
05:58 VanessaE         :-)
05:58 VanessaE         fuck texas sideways :)
05:58 telek1           Kacey: Hah, I knew somebody from out that way :D
05:58 kaeza            lol maybe just carolina is bigger than our entire country
05:58 telek1           Only been as far as the southernmost tip of Colorado, and possibly whatever bit of it hits 80 if any.
05:58 telek1           kaeza: Just means you've got less room for idiots to breed in :D
05:59 telek1           VanessaE: I know, I meant in order for there to be room for them to let you :D
05:59 VanessaE         telek1: see, we over here on the west end of the state tend to have a different point of view from the rest of North Carolina, enough so that we probably should be our own state instead.
05:59 kaeza            VanessaE: Look up Uruguay in Wikipedia. Unfortunately I suck at our country's history :)
05:59 VanessaE         oh heh
05:59 telek1           You'll notice they've been too lazy to work on a flag with more than 50 stars, so the only way any of us states will get subdivision is if another state is annexed or expunged first :D
06:00 VanessaE         kaeza: from memory, that's part of South America, northern part adjacent to the carribbean wasn't it?
06:00 VanessaE         (I suck at Geography :D )
06:00 * telek1         notes there's been that discussion regarding norcal and socal, parts of oregon, washington, and elsewhere as well.
06:00 VanessaE         *looks at map*
06:00 VanessaE         BZZT, I'm wrong
06:00 VanessaE         South America, a bit below Brazil :-)
06:00 Kacey            i am pretty good at geography and it is in south america
06:00 kaeza            telek1: well, if you don't count that stupid "plancha" bunch (internal thing maybe), you get like 1% smart people in here
06:00 VanessaE         as I said, I suck at geography :D
06:01 telek1           kaeza: Oh so you're on par with the developed world for stupidity :D
06:01 kaeza            lol
06:02 Kacey            ha here in colorado we r 99% idiots that will do anything and 1% idiots that sit and watch and laugh
06:02 telek1           ::)
06:02 kaeza            Yeah South America! And if you saw Submerged (from Steven Seagal), I'm afraid we haven't goats
06:02 kaeza            Kacey: lol
06:02 Kacey            im both lol
06:02 VanessaE         telek1: the politics in your continent seem to be on the mend compared to the US.  lot of socialist stuff in place there, green energy, etc.  yes?
06:03 VanessaE         Kacey: yeah but now those 99% idiots can smoke all the weed they want, so you'll never have to see them again except when they go out for chips or pizza :D
06:04 Kacey            lol obama won colorado because of that
06:04 VanessaE         heh
06:04 VanessaE         this country needs more presidents like Obama in the future.
06:04 telek1           Kacey: Funny given how during his term he was hard on it :D
06:04 VanessaE         time to start leaning a bit to the left for a change
06:04 Kacey            but it s even funnier now because people are falling down randomly
06:05 telek1           We had pot dispensaries pop up all over Cali until the feds or dea or whoever came in and hit a few of them, then they all folded up shop and went back to selling under the table.
06:05 kaeza            VanessaE: just a bit, don't do it like here. We are almost a new Cuba
06:05 VanessaE         heh
06:05 VanessaE         understood.
06:06 telek1           kaeza: New Cuba? You make lots of cigars and drive cars that look like they're from 'Leave it to Beaver'? :D
06:06 VanessaE         still, the US could learn a lot from those evil soshulissts. :-)
06:06 VanessaE         lol
06:06 * Kacey          just landed on his face from laughing at the stoner bird that hit the window
06:07 telek1           In the middle of the night? :D
06:07 telek1           Owl? Bat?
06:07 kaeza            no what I mean is the people can hardly survive while the government makes lots of money. BTW i'm surprised they didn't put a tax for breathing.
06:07 VanessaE         fuck, I hate when I do that.  that "politics on the mend" was directed at kaeza, of course, not telek1.
06:07 Kacey            nope it was a bird
06:07 VanessaE         kaeza: sounds like here :-/
06:07 telek1           kaeza: Well that sounds like here, only the government is going bankrupt while pretending it's all ok :D
06:07 Kacey            robin to be exact
06:08 VanessaE         a robin flying around in the middle of the night!?
06:08 Kacey            CHINA  OWNS THIS COUNTRY NOW!!!!!!!
06:08 VanessaE         that's more than a little odd.
06:08 telek1           The only thing that's guaranteed bipartisan: selling out :)
06:08 Kacey            yep
06:08 VanessaE         Kacey: not yet, just all the Wal-marts. :-)
06:08 telek1           Kacey: Minority shareholder :D
06:08 telek1           They're working on the real-estate angle though, and not just in the US from what I've heard.
06:09 Kacey            lol i have an idea SAY NO TO CHINA!!!!! and then BOMB THEM!!!!! only if they get mad
06:09 kaeza            Kacey: try looking at the back of the world. I may say "Made in Taiwan"
06:09 kaeza            It*
06:09 Kacey            hm my pants are made in guess where
06:09 telek1           kaeza: Nah, it'd have fallen apart by now. I'm thinking more 'made in Russia' :D
06:09 VanessaE         Kacey: would never work.  China can out-produce us in every way possible - they've got like 1.5 billion people there or something, versus 350 million here.
06:09 kaeza            lol
06:09 telek1           American world would've jammed by now :D
06:09 Kacey            yes the world is made in russia
06:09 VanessaE         haha
06:10 VanessaE         nonono, see you've got it all wrong.
06:10 Kacey            my pants are made in blank? woah
06:10 VanessaE         all the parts are made in China, but assembled in Mexico. :-)
06:10 telek1           Maybe some parts German made.
06:10 telek1           But since it's got some drift it's obviously not german engineered :D
06:10 kaeza            Yeah, but I doubt you can compare the quality of the NorthTech phones with the iPho... nevermind
06:10 VanessaE         using materials mined from Russia, and techn support outsourced to India :-)
06:11 telek1           Low cost accents, or high class 'american themed' accents? :D
06:11 * Kacey          tried to callhis mom and got somewhere in india
06:11 kaeza            I see it coming... In soviet russia...
06:11 telek1           Kacey: She outsourced her parenting duties? :D
06:11 telek1           Wow. That's the most awesome idea ever.
06:11 telek1           I should start a parenting outsourcing agency! :D
06:11 VanessaE         In soviet russia, world builds you? :-)
06:12 kaeza            lol
06:12 kaeza            build*
06:12 Kacey            no her phone is forwarding calls to india now for some reason
06:12 telek1           Kacey: Weird.
06:12 Kacey            ya
06:12 Kacey            ha nokias break when they see my phone
06:12 kaeza            Kacey: Impossibru!
06:13 telek1           P4 era laptop with a celeron: ~50W
06:13 VanessaE         I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one left with a "dumb" cell phone...as in not a smartphone
06:13 telek1           That's semi-loaded.
06:13 Kacey            my phone is an alcatel which is gibberish for chuck norris
06:13 kaeza            I believe if the world was flat, it would be supported by pillars of nokia phones
06:13 Kacey            no alcatel phones
06:13 Kacey            i have a dumb phone
06:13 telek1           Kacey: Nokia. There's WAY MORE OF THEM
06:14 Kacey            no actually
06:14 telek1           They used to be the de-facto cheap phone.
06:14 Kacey            alcatel did the math
06:14 VanessaE         Kacey: that's all you need anyway.  Need to make a phone call?  just have chuck norris pound the words into the nearest piece of stone and lob it at your other party :)
06:14 Kacey            2 to 1 ratio of alcatels to nokias
06:14 Kacey            lol vanessa
06:14 * telek1         groans @ VanessaE
06:14 VanessaE         lol
06:15 kaeza            VanessaE: Chuck norris need not do that. He just stares the stone and it runs away to deliver the message.
06:15 telek1           I thought he was too busy singlehandedly fighting the Pandarians while singing the lyrics to 'Everybody was Kung Fu fighting.'
06:15 VanessaE         telek1: eh, to be fair that whole chuck norris thing was starting to get tired anyway ;-)
06:15 VanessaE         lol kaeza
06:15 Kacey            hhow about the epic tales of Kacey?
06:16 telek1           Also is it me or should Blizzard totally be getting sued for false advertising given that gameplay is nothing like the ads they're running?
06:16 telek1           VanessaE: Agreed, hence my groan :D
06:17 Kacey            thanks telek1 you got that song stuck in my head...
06:17 kaeza            telek: very true. Though I can't afford WoW right now, I played WC3. It's good, but still crap for what the ads show you.
06:17 VanessaE         telek1: haven't played a blizzard game in...forever
06:17 VanessaE         I don't remember what it was, or when.
06:18 kaeza            I don't really see a fine woman like VanessaE going "Imma Zerg all o' you mofos!"
06:18 VanessaE         lol!
06:18 Kacey            telek1 want to join my server and build?
06:18 telek1           Kacey: *grins*
06:19 VanessaE         kaeza: maybe not, but it wasn't long ago that I'd be happy to nail a bot in the back of the head with a railgun ;-)
06:19 VanessaE         so, blizzard it may not be,
06:19 telek1           kaeza VanessaE: Yep. I stopped playing them during the bnetd trial.
06:19 VanessaE         but I'll stikk kick some ass in games now and then. :-)
06:19 telek1           So Diablo 2 era.
06:19 kaeza            :O
06:19 VanessaE         still*
06:19 telek1           Kacey: Would, but I've already got my own server I'm neglecting :l
06:20 Kacey            mine is a little lag but it isnt bad
06:20 telek1           Wonder how hard it'd be to add inter-server portals.
06:20 kaeza            maybe we can join for a CS game someday :)
06:20 * ruskie         thinks there's nothing wrong with dumb phones... they tend to work better than the so called "smart" phones anyway
06:21 Kacey            when pigs fl.... nvm there went one
06:21 telek1           ruskie: Dumb, smart, all the phones are powerful enough to spy on you nowadays :D
06:21 VanessaE         ruskie: problem is, "dumb" phones always seem to be crammed full of the world's slowest electronics and stupidest UI design...
06:21 telek1           'Dumb phones' today are like reissue TI-83s: There's way more under the hood than what you think from the UI :D
06:21 ruskie           VanessaE, hehe
06:22 kaeza            I have yet to see a GOOD motorola phone
06:22 VanessaE         no, I'm serious - some stuff on my old phone, I swear my C64 would be faster at. :-)
06:22 kaeza            or for that matter, any piece of equipment
06:22 ruskie           telek1, true... that's why I still have a nokia 5110 from 13+ years ago in my drawer that when I stopped using was 6 years old and could still hold a charge of a week
06:23 Kacey            ha my brother had a motorolla razor and he hated it
06:24 kaeza            they use crappy materials, crappy electronics, and worse yet, most carriers (at least here) don't provide direct support for Motorola phones
06:24 ruskie           you need a carrier to provide support?
06:24 Kacey            lol
06:24 Kacey            hey ruskie want to join my server?
06:24 ruskie           only thing I need from a cellco is that they give me a sim card I plug in and it works
06:25 telek1           ruskie: Yeppers. Here in the US, cell phone companies own you.
06:25 ruskie           Kacey, I just got into work
06:25 Kacey            ooh ok
06:25 ruskie           telek1, yeah I'm familiar with that crap
06:25 kaeza            I mean, if something is wrong with the phone, you have to go to the HQ (is that the term) of Motorola to get it replaced
06:26 ruskie           kaeza, I'd say qualified repair shop
06:26 telek1           Idealogically: In Russia people own companies. In America companies own people. In Reality: Rich people own poor people.
06:26 telek1           s/Idea/Ideo/
06:26 ruskie           kaeza, frankly I don't buy my devices from cellcos anymore but direct... so any service always goes direct to their repair centers
06:26 kaeza            ok you get the point I guess
06:27 * VanessaE       starts to fade away from tiredness
06:27 telek1           kaeza: Service Center of Motorola
06:27 ruskie           avoids the crud sw cellcos tend to push on the devices
06:27 kaeza            I mean, you but from Verizon, then take it to verizon and they take care of it
06:27 telek1           Which may or may not be a Motorola company.
06:27 telek1           VanessaE: Have a good night :)
06:27 kaeza            telek: thanks, that's the one
06:28 Kacey            night vanessa
06:28 kaeza            good night Vanessa!
06:28 VanessaE         well jeez
06:28 VanessaE         you guys wanna get rid of me that bad huh?
06:28 telek1           kaeza: Yeah trying to figure out which word is appropriate is tiring.
06:28 VanessaE         I ain't asleep yet :-)
06:28 kaeza            what time is it there?
06:28 kaeza            just asking
06:28 VanessaE         1:28am
06:28 telek1           Most of the reason I don't know a bunch of foreign languages. The other one being that all bilingual people would rather be lazy and talk in english rather than help you learn around here :D
06:29 kaeza            am I a freak if I say it's 4:26 here?
06:29 Kacey            kaeza i made the pool die!!!!!!
06:29 VanessaE         kaeza: no :-)
06:29 kaeza            NOOOOOOO!!!
06:29 kaeza            j/k how?
06:29 Kacey            dive*
06:29 telek1           o.O
06:29 VanessaE         I've pulled more all-nighters than I can count over the years, so 4:26am is nothing new :-)
06:29 kaeza            oh
06:29 VanessaE         but I try not to do that too much anymore.
06:30 telek1           OHHH
06:30 kaeza            a letter can change everything: die -> diVe
06:30 telek1           You guys are carribean-ish timezone, huh?
06:30 Kacey            it is 11:30 here
06:30 VanessaE         US eastern, here.
06:30 kaeza            GMT -3:00
06:30 ruskie           telek1, most bilingual people tend to not be lazy but are aware that it's hard to learn another language if you're not predisposed to it
06:30 ruskie           07:30 here
06:30 * telek1         always forgets just how big a diff the geography of SA is compared to NA, timezone-wise.
06:30 VanessaE         I think we're at -0400 now aren't we?
06:31 VanessaE         (damn Ben Franklin and his idiotic concept of daylight savings :-)
06:31 Kacey            lol
06:31 ruskie           telek1, also teaching someone is a lot harder than it sounds with some things
06:31 kaeza            lol
06:31 ruskie           DST needs to die
06:31 VanessaE         ruskie: here here.
06:31 telek1           ruskie: Agreed on both :D
06:31 VanessaE         it needs to die in a fire.
06:32 ruskie           well atleast russia abolished it already
06:32 telek1           They should've killed it when they changed the schedule.
06:32 ruskie           now europe needs to do it...
06:32 telek1           Ever wonder how many pieces of software broke as a result of that 1 monthish change?
06:32 kaeza            let me teach you a few words, and you'll see how hard it is in spanish to properly remember them:
06:32 VanessaE         an indian guy said it best - "Only a white man could think that cutting a fot off one end of a blanket and sewing it onto the other end somehow yields a larger blanket."
06:32 ruskie           VanessaE, hehehe
06:32 VanessaE         foot*
06:32 Kacey            67.162.156.91 port 30000
06:32 telek1           True that.
06:33 Kacey            lol i did that once
06:33 * telek1         goes by day/night now anyways.
06:33 kaeza            hear -> "oír" | heart -> "corazón"
06:33 telek1           Chickens don't care what the clock says, only if it's time to cockadoodledoo :D
06:33 VanessaE         haha
06:33 kaeza            lol
06:33 Kacey            lol
06:33 Kacey            that is true i have 170 chickens
06:34 Kacey            4 am wake up call
06:34 VanessaE         that must make one hell of a racket every morn.
06:34 kaeza            my chickens must be broke. they cockadoodledoo at 7:00PM
06:34 VanessaE         lol
06:34 kaeza            broken*
06:34 telek1           The time change is a PITA for getting out just in time to put them away for the night before it's dark enough to require a flashlight. And we've got a ton of noturnal predators out here. Racoons, possums, cats, etc.
06:34 VanessaE         kaeza: where we used to live (for about a year and a half, ending a little over a month ago), those bastards would crow at all hours of the day, and once or twice we heard them in the middle of th enight too.
06:35 Kacey            lol my ducks come and lay on us if we arent awake by 5 am
06:35 VanessaE         heh
06:35 VanessaE         <VanessaE> kaeza: where we used to live (for about a year and a half, ending a little over a month ago), those bastards would crow at all hours of the day, and once or twice we heard them in the middle of th enight too.
06:36 kaeza_           modem got disconnected :(
06:36 VanessaE         well next time tell your mom not to pick up the handset when you're on the line :D
06:36 kaeza_           yeah same here
06:36 VanessaE         (sorry, yet another tired old joke)
06:36 kaeza_           handset? what is that? :P
06:37 VanessaE         lol
06:37 VanessaE         G*d it's been that long hasn't it?
06:38 ruskie           hehe
06:38 VanessaE         I remember when I used to bitch out my sister or get irritated at mom, as needed, for picking up the phone and knocking me off my favorite BBS :-)
06:38 Kacey            kaeza i am halfway done with the roof
06:38 kaeza_           not that long. ten years ago we had handsets. today we have computers the size of a nail
06:39 VanessaE         now I bitch at my ISP for having idiots working for them that seem to do the same thing from time to time, or used to anyway at the old place :-)
06:39 VanessaE         (or at least, the cable modem equivalent, whatever that might be)
06:39 kaeza_           BBS? LOL so old-school (says a man that is chatting on IRC)
06:39 VanessaE         kaeza_: BBS...in the 300-buad modem days. :-)
06:40 VanessaE         on a C64.  With a single floppy drive and television for a monitor.
06:40 VanessaE         THAT is oldskool :-)
06:40 kaeza_           I grew up with the Speccy
06:40 ruskie           http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ <-- good for her
06:40 Kacey            i grew up with windows xp
06:40 VanessaE         ruskie: yeah, saw a blurb about that on slashdot earlier.  Didn't read into it yet.
06:41 VanessaE         Kacey: get yourself an old 8-bit computer - spectrum, C64, apple, atari, whatever.  Set it up and play around with it.  prepare to be amazed :-)
06:41 Kacey            we had old apples in elementary school but they died quickly after i bit them all
06:42 * ruskie         is already amazed that his p133 of 6 years was faster at running the software at the time than most modern kit is
06:42 kaeza_           Kacey lol you play Playstation 2. Do you know what the "2" is right?
06:42 Kacey            no what is it?
06:43 VanessaE         Kacey: if it wasn't an "Apple ][", it wasn't "an old apple" :-)
06:43 telek1           Hrmm guess those 'PlaceBo(tm)' brand flea pills are working.
06:43 VanessaE         telek1: heh
06:43 Kacey            lol ikr i use them all the time
06:43 kaeza_           8|
06:43 kaeza_           what about Jet Set Willy?
06:44 VanessaE         ok guys, time to call it a night.
06:44 telek1           Nah seriously our dog just had it put on like 3-4 days ago and I was just petting her and she had little round black things crawling on her.
06:44 telek1           Night VE :)
06:44 Kacey            is it the level you have to be to defeat them?
06:44 kaeza_           good night Vanessa!
06:44 Kacey            night vanessa
06:44 telek1           You know that'd be a awesome minetest addition.
06:44 Kacey            what
06:45 telek1           A 'metalevel' inside your minetest world taking place on an animal mob.
06:45 Kacey            ?
06:45 telek1           You have to run around on the mob killing fleas in minaturized form :D
06:45 Kacey            ooh lol ya
06:45 kaeza_           telek: cool thing
06:45 telek1           Maybe fashioning items out of hair, dead skin and living tissue.
06:46 Kacey            lol
06:46 telek1           'Flea bone helmet' FTW :D
06:46 kaeza_           ruskie: cool article
06:46 kaeza_           sorry for the late reply
06:46 Kacey            what does ftw mean again?
06:46 kaeza_           For The Win!!
06:46 Kacey            ooh ok
06:47 telek1           I bet Vanessa woulda schooled you on that if she wasn't sleeping :D
06:47 kaeza_           lol
06:47 kaeza_           so true
06:47 Kacey            lol ya but im not afraid of her
06:47 telek1           It spawned out of the FPS community of the late 90s early '00s
06:47 kaeza_           Doom?
06:48 kaeza_           Duke Nukem?
06:48 telek1           Maybe, or Quake.
06:48 kaeza_           That's modern for the timespan
06:48 Kacey            NUKEM!!!!!!!
06:48 telek1           Duke while popular didn't seem to have the sort of social cult that id games had.
06:48 kaeza_           yeah
06:48 telek1           Probably in part because id made the move of having quakeworld as an official convention
06:49 kaeza_           They killed it with the third installment (Doom I mean)
06:49 telek1           Yep.
06:49 telek1           I was still able to buy doom1/2+all quake games up until around or after doom3 came out.
06:49 telek1           But I *NEVER* saw doom3 on store shelves after it's initial run ran out.
06:49 kaeza_           heh remember the first time my brother-in-law brought Doom for the SNES...
06:49 telek1           Ugh :D
06:50 telek1           That's like buying Morrowind or Skyrim for the 360/PS3 :D
06:50 Kacey            i gtghave a happy thanksgiving
06:50 * telek1         waves!
06:50 kaeza_           that's also like playing GTA2 on the PSX. Yuck!
06:50 telek1           Lol :D
06:50 telek1           GTA2 you didn't really lose much control-wise though right?
06:51 telek1           GTA3 would've been more of a loss.
06:51 kaeza_           after playing GTA2 for PC, you say "OMG this game SUXXX"
06:51 kaeza_           I agree. Prolly the best GTA games on PS2 are VC and SA
06:52 kaeza_           I don't like SA very much though
06:53 telek1           Yeah
06:53 telek1           Well SA was better than 4 :D
06:53 telek1           More stuff to do.
06:53 telek1           And better camera angles than VC
06:53 kaeza_           Can't play F***ing 4 on my comp. Crappy gfx card.
06:54 kaeza_           Is it that bad?
06:54 kaeza_           Yeah SA had a lot (maybe a TON) of openness, but IDK. VC had more "oldschoolness" to me.
06:55 kaeza_           "All you had to do was follow the damn train CJ!"
06:59 kaeza_           versus "You took fifteen years from me Sonny... And now I'm gonna make you pay!"
07:06 ruskie           telek1, as I only have a PS3 for playing such games(skyrim) I do buy them for that system
07:07 telek1           ruskie: Ouch.
07:07 ruskie           telek1, well I'm not willing to purchase a windows license or dedicate any siginficant funds towards a "gaming PC" it works for me
07:08 ruskie           also I must say I like playing on a gamepad
07:08 telek1           ruskie: Can understand that. Honestly though a nocd crack and wine usually solves that.
07:08 telek1           Biggest thing though is the loss of mods
07:09 ruskie           telek1, I don't use cracked sw and wine doesn't work on 64bit
07:09 telek1           Most of those games I wouldn't play if it wasn't for modding.
07:09 telek1           o.O
07:09 telek1           wine should work on 64 bit.
07:09 ruskie           only for 64bit sw
07:09 ruskie           last I checked
07:09 ruskie           it didn't have a 32-on-64bit compat layer
07:10 ruskie           and yeah... CD... hahahaha... I don't have an optical reader in any of my computers at all
07:11 ruskie           anyway I generally play something for the story
07:11 ruskie           the mods wouldn't give me much extra benefit
07:11 telek1           ruskie: Wow guess you're right.
07:12 telek1           I'm exactly opposite.
07:12 telek1           Also if it wasn't for nocds I probably wouldn't still be gaming.
07:13 * telek1         has like two towers worth of stamps CDs/DVDs of games, but only 1 working dvd player for all his comps.
07:13 ruskie           not to mention my skyrim game atm is some 60h in and I haven't touched anything about the main storyline other than the first one or two things
07:13 telek1           Erm stamped (IE original)
07:13 ruskie           telek1, I'm waiting to see what steam 4 linux will bring
07:13 telek1           Eww
07:13 telek1           I'm not.
07:13 ruskie           I might buy some games for that
07:13 telek1           I don't like digital distribution
07:13 ruskie           hehe
07:13 telek1           If it's not on physical media I won't buy it.
07:13 ruskie           I prefer physical media as well
07:14 ruskie           hence why I prefer a console
07:14 ruskie           pop in the disc and it works
07:14 telek1           I'd be up for USB high-capacity ROMs though.
07:14 ruskie           no nocd and other crap
07:14 telek1           ruskie: Except all the new generation console games are apparently moving towards online activation too.
07:14 ruskie           telek1, only for multiplayer
07:14 ruskie           "online pass" and similar
07:15 telek1           I don't remember what game but I've heard there's some new ones that are doing it single as well.
07:15 ruskie           doesn't prevent you from playing the single player game
07:15 ruskie           telek1, a lot of it are people over-reacting
07:15 telek1           Regardless other than some racing games there's nothing on the consoles that particularly grabs my attention.
07:16 ruskie           I don't have that many console exclusives
07:16 ruskie           most of the stuff is multiplat
07:17 ruskie           wrt to steam4linux I'm hoping that it will provide game makers an incentive to start publishing on linux and thus might even provide physical media releases
07:17 ruskie           but frankly I'm happy with the humble bundle games and open source games
07:18 celeron55        oh lovely; the server is unreachable again
07:33 telek1           celeron55: Yeppers, has been most of the day :/
08:06 celeron55        marktraceur: http://www.indiegogo.com/free-game-modding <- i think people would be much more ready to pay for engine features
08:23 M13              is the minetest site down???
08:44 telek1           Yep
08:44 telek1           C55 knows about it, not sure when a resolution will happen however.
08:55 M13              ok thnx
08:56 M13              is Puppy Linux good for Minetest????
09:08 telek1           M13: Isn't Puppy Linux one of the ultra-small distros?
09:24 ruskie           he left
09:24 ruskie           but it shouldn't matter
09:25 telek1           ruskie: It might if it's running tinyX instead of real X (and thus no opengl acceleration.)
09:26 ruskie           I don't think they are
09:26 ruskie           I run saluki on my eeepc701 and I tried it on another box as well worked fine for FTL
09:27 telek1           Ahh, cool then.
09:28 ruskie           the only issue might be finding a ready made package for it
09:29 telek1           That's true with most distros though.
09:31 celeron55        the site's up again... hoping now that the hosting provider got some useful data of the crash
09:32 * ruskie         has his build for slackware64
09:35 telek1           celeron55: It crashed this time? Man you've been having bad luck with it the past few days, huh?
10:40 Taoki            <celeron55> marktraceur: http://www.indiegogo.com/free-game-modding <- i think people would be much more ready to pay for engine features
10:40 Taoki            That's a pretty interesting idea. Always wondered about a system to encourage new features in FOSS games by donating as well. Sadly, 1500$ in 40 days seems completely impossible. Most I could donate at my current financial state is 5$ (10$ at most), and I doubt a lot of people can do more
10:41 Taoki            And even so my mom would be upset when I tell her :P But for MineTest I'd do it... just not sure what happens if the goal isn't achieved, since I surely can't afford wasting any money
10:44 ruskie           Taoki, you get it back
10:45 ruskie           funding projects oly get the money if he goal is reached
10:45 Taoki            Hmm... ok. Let's hope that website is safe to use via PayPal, I never really used it before and am cauitious with money online
10:45 Taoki            Though it would be sad if the whole thing is cancelled because it gets eg: 1400$ instead of 1500$
10:50 ruskie           How Refunds Work
10:50 ruskie           Contributions are nonrefundable. We may refund your contribution if your contribution was accidentally made twice or if the campaign has not raised enough money by its deadline to cover the cost of disbursement. We also refund any contributions made to a Fixed Funding campaign that has not met its
10:50 ruskie           goal by its deadline.
10:50 ruskie           and that is a fixed funding campaign
10:59 Taoki            I chipped in a bit... hope I won't need to be refunded and instead this will help MineTest :)
11:00 Taoki            That would make me cry lol
11:02 Taoki            Please at least post more about it. Perhaps you could put that link in the channel topic OldCoder . I assume someone made a forum post already
11:04 * Taoki          wishes someone made a more possible goal though. Like  or  to be on the safe side. That campaign asks for a lot
11:04 Taoki            * $1000 or $500
11:05 Taoki            haha, my IRC client saw the $ symbol as a command in /me :P
11:13 ruskie           broken client ;)
11:19 Taoki            nah, it's a good client. This is a feature, you need to set the input field to "friendly mode". But it's hard to default it
11:19 Taoki            I use KVIrc. Primary reason why I got it years ago is that it's the only IRC client with avatar support
11:22 ruskie           considering it's the only irc client that actually has such an idea hehe
11:22 * ruskie         enjoys irssi
11:23 Taoki            Yeah, I wish more did
11:33 Taoki            marktraceur: When you are back, I'd like to hear more about what you have in mind for MineTest. I chipped in for that campaign a bit although it is difficult to do for me at this moment, since I'm very interested in MineTest. Will you be giving part of it to other developers as well? Is it for engine features also (it's ok if not since mods are also important and will be the main thing)
12:12 steampunkey      what's with mt1.gameboom.net?
12:20 * VanessaE       peeks in for a few.
12:20 VanessaE         good morning.
12:20 VanessaE         insomnia sucks, sleep is overrated, etc. ;)
12:29 ruskie           aww
12:29 ruskie           only 90 min or left before end of work for me
12:30 VanessaE         cool
12:30 VanessaE         time to go home and P-A-R-T..why?  because you gotta. :-)
12:37 Ragnar_          hi
12:37 jin_xi           hi Ragnar_
12:37 jin_xi           hi ruskie
12:37 Ragnar_          :D
12:37 jin_xi           hi VanessaE
12:37 Ragnar_          ruskie?
12:37 Ragnar_          xD
12:37 ruskie           heh
12:37 ruskie           some people have a delay apparently
12:38 Ragnar_          ow...i thought that ruskie as in somebody from russia
12:38 Ragnar_          :D
12:39 Ragnar_          hey is PilzAdam here?
12:40 VanessaE         hey jin, ruskie.
12:40 VanessaE         Ragnar_: no, not at present
12:40 Ragnar_          ok... :D
12:40 Ragnar_          hey VanessaE...
12:40 Ragnar_          is it possible to make classes in minetest?
12:40 Ragnar_          like players have diffrent skins
12:42 Ragnar_          Vanessa?
12:44 VanessaE         there, finally I'm figuring out how to use branches properly in git.
12:44 VanessaE         well
12:45 VanessaE         actually it IS possible, and in fact I think it was pilzadam who wrote a mod to do that.
12:45 Ragnar_          really?
12:45 Ragnar_          yay :D
12:45 VanessaE         gives each player their own skin, by player name = partial filename
12:45 Ragnar_          ow :D
12:45 VanessaE         at least it works for 2D skins, but not the new 3D stuff (yet)
12:46 VanessaE         (3D stuff has not been merged, but looks to happen soon if celeron55 isn't too stubborn :-) )
12:46 Ragnar_          so like my name is Ragnar (online) and so Ragnar = Ragnar.jpeg
12:46 Ragnar_          ?
12:46 VanessaE         similar yeah
12:46 Ragnar_          xD
12:46 VanessaE         player_ragnar.png, player_ragnar_back.png
12:46 VanessaE         (but jpg can be used too, as well as several others)
12:46 Ragnar_          ow :d
12:46 Ragnar_          nice :D
12:46 Ragnar_          thanks alot!
12:46 VanessaE         no  prob,
12:46 VanessaE         one sec..
12:46 VanessaE         lemme find it.
12:47 Ragnar_          ok
12:47 VanessaE         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3587
12:47 VanessaE         there, the new branches are pull-requested.
12:48 VanessaE         that should make PilzAdam happy (this is not related to player skins) ;)
12:48 Ragnar_          it kinda is xD
12:51 VanessaE         no I meant my pull requests, they're for something completely different.
12:52 Ragnar_          it kinda is xD
12:54 Ragnar_          have you seen "Rules of Engagment" ?
12:54 VanessaE         no
12:54 Ragnar_          its from there
12:54 Ragnar_          the "It Kinda Is"
12:56 Ragnar_          VanessaE
12:56 Ragnar_          are you playing right now?
12:56 Ragnar_          could you make a screenshot of some landscape or something?
12:56 Ragnar_          without anybody in it...
12:56 Ragnar_          i need it for my website banner :d
13:00 Ragnar_          hey can somebody help me?
13:00 VanessaE         you can probably use the one from the main website
13:00 VanessaE         images there are cc-by-sa I think
13:03 Ragnar_          ow ok
13:03 Ragnar_          ill check that...
13:03 Ragnar_          where?
13:03 VanessaE         minetest.net
13:04 Ragnar_          yeah i know...but whres the cc-by-sa?
13:04 Ragnar_          or what is it...
13:04 VanessaE         creative commons license
13:04 VanessaE         "creative commons - author attribution - share alike"
13:04 VanessaE         in that order.
13:05 Ragnar_          ow...
13:05 Ragnar_          ok
13:05 VanessaE         it means download and share all you want, just be sure you say who and where you got it from and don't pass it off as your own.
13:05 VanessaE         make changes to it too if you like, just make a note of where the original image came from.
13:05 VanessaE         it's a good license for images.
13:10 Ragnar_          ok
13:31 VanessaE         bbl
13:49 Ragnar_          hey does somebody know, that does minetest have a World of Minetest server/mod?
13:49 Ragnar_          like in minecraft has World of Minecraft...
13:51 Ragnar_          'cause im making a World of Minetest server+homepage+classes :d
13:51 Ragnar_          nice eh? xD
13:56 Matsetes         Hi! How can I open the inventory plus?
14:19 Ragnar_          hi
14:20 Ragnar_          VanessaE hey, is it possible, that if you kill somebody, you earn money and maybe an item... the item is a 1/99 chance...
14:20 Ragnar_          is it possible?
14:55 mauvebic         What happenned to gloopmaster? he pulled all his topics
14:59 redcrab          hi there ... I ve notified yesterday about minetestmapper.py error that sometime occurs ... {      impix[x - minx * 16 + border, h - 1 - (z - minz * 16) + border] = (r, g, b)
14:59 redcrab          TypeError: an integer is required }   ... I guess that x is sometime Long and sometime Integer ... due to Z par value of the "pos" attribute on "blocks" sqlite table definition .. the python "def getIntegerAsBlock(i):" have sometime a "i" as Long and sometime with with a Integer and the transformation start with "x" , y and z are always downcasted into integer with "int(...)" function  x is not ... so sometime long sometime Int
14:59 redcrab          eger ... Then I ve updated the python script to find out if this the cause origin , I will keep you in touch .... meanwhile you may see the current result by visiting my minetest megamap generation of the redcrab.suret.net 30401 server on http://minetestbb.suret.net/w01.html with this 8640x8640 generated map
15:01 Penguin          hi
15:05 Penguin          hi
15:05 OldCoder         Hey
15:05 OldCoder         Penguin, hello
15:06 Penguin          hey is server up
15:06 OldCoder         30004 ? No. Sorry; trying to decide what to do with the world.
15:06 OldCoder         Penguin, ^
15:06 OldCoder         Taoki can you elaborate regarding forum topic?
15:06 OldCoder         Penguin, Give me a little while longer to decide
15:06 Penguin          okay carnt connect to any server
15:07 Taoki            OldCoder: Marktraceur is trying to raise money for minetest. If he doesn't get $1500 in 40 days though, it just gets refunded and doesn't help. So I as thinking of spreading the word about it
15:07 OldCoder         Penguin, Yes
15:07 OldCoder         Taoki, all right
15:07 OldCoder         Penguin, I have a problem. Looks like 30004 took down my entire VPS.
15:07 OldCoder         I am researching this now
15:08 Penguin          okay
15:08 mauvebic         1500$ for what ?
15:08 Penguin          restarting my pc brb
15:08 mauvebic         1500$... should offer bounties for specific features instead :p
15:09 OldCoder         Taoki, Indicate what you'd like to add to topic
15:10 Taoki            OldCoder: http://www.indiegogo.com/free-game-modding
15:10 OldCoder         Taoki, No...
15:10 OldCoder         Taoki, Indicate exact wording you'd like to add to topic
15:10 Taoki            c55 posted the link, I chipped in a bit already
15:10 Taoki            ah, ok
15:10 OldCoder         Others: I'm attempting to reboot my VPS
15:11 Taoki            Anything about it... it's a fund to raise money for MineTest
15:11 Taoki            I'm ont good with words :p
15:11 Taoki            **not
15:11 OldCoder         Taoki, Feel free to ask others to suggest a wording then
15:11 OldCoder         If there is consensus then certainly we could link
15:11 Taoki            Sure. If anyone here has an idea please mention it
15:13 Penguin          Back
15:13 OldCoder         Penguin, My VPS is apparently destroyed :-(
15:13 OldCoder         I have a business meeting in a few meetings. Then I will spend time today trying to rebuild things.
15:14 Penguin          Oh okay is 30015 up
15:15 Penguin          i carnt connect to any server
15:15 OldCoder         Penguin, That is what I am trying to explain
15:15 OldCoder         My VPS is destroyed
15:15 Penguin          so no servers are open ?
15:15 OldCoder         Penguin...
15:16 OldCoder         Death. Oblivion.
15:16 OldCoder         Poof!
15:16 OldCoder         Gone!
15:16 OldCoder         Evaporated
15:16 OldCoder         Is this clearer :-)
15:16 OldCoder         My VPS is destroyed
15:16 Penguin          oh :(
15:16 OldCoder         I will try to rebuild things today
15:16 OldCoder         It appears that work on 30004 took up all the system memory
15:16 OldCoder         That is bad
15:17 OldCoder         I have a business meeting in a few meetings
15:17 OldCoder         That I will put the pieces back together
15:25 OldCoder         Kacey, Hi
15:26 Kacey            hello  and happy thanksgiving
15:36 babyface1031     hi everyone
15:37 ruskie           OldCoder, might want to put the issue somewhere in the topic or something
15:37 OldCoder         ruskie, Yes
15:40 OldCoder         Taoki, I'll add the donation link when there is consensus
15:40 babyface1031     30004 still causeing problems @OldCoder
15:40 OldCoder         babyface1031, it sort of wrecked my VPS
15:40 Taoki            ok
15:40 OldCoder         The whole thing is down
15:40 OldCoder         Fried
15:40 OldCoder         I may need to rebuild the VPS from scratch
15:40 OldCoder         That is a heck of a world :-)
15:41 babyface1031     oh wow did 3000
15:41 OldCoder         Ah
15:41 babyface1031     did 3004 do it to the vps
15:41 OldCoder         Looks like I'm back in. The disks were probably corrupted.
15:42 OldCoder         We'll be down part of the day but I probably have everything
15:42 OldCoder         babyface1031, I think I ran out of RAM due to work on 30004. That tends to hose things.
15:42 babyface1031     ahh ok thats fine you take your time i am in no hurry
15:42 babyface1031     oh
15:43 OldCoder         I may upgrade my VPS farther but I'll need to check the costs
15:43 OldCoder         I have everything; 30004 will revert to no farther back than the 17th
15:45 babyface1031     thats fine if 30004 is the problem that did this maybe we need to get rid of it and play on one of the other ones or start a new map and hope it not the map
15:45 OldCoder         Nah
15:45 OldCoder         It will be fine
15:45 OldCoder         But may be time for me to reorganize
15:45 OldCoder         And possibly upgrade the VPS
15:46 babyface1031     ok
15:52 Taoki            Oh nice... there's also a shorter link which is good for the topic. http://igg.me/p/281771
15:58 Kacey            iriririririririririr
16:00 Kacey            i feel like modding but i am not good at much with it just registering basic things
16:01 RealBadAngel     1500$ nice money, my 3 month earnings :P
16:01 uzver            hmm
16:02 uzver            RealBadAngel: where did you read about 1500? can't find in the chat, probably broken? o.O
16:02 RealBadAngel     click the link above
16:02 uzver            ah ok
16:03 Jordach          http://igg.me/p/281771
16:04 RealBadAngel     for this money i could quit the job and live from modding
16:04 RealBadAngel     lol
16:04 Kacey            lol
16:04 Jordach          adf.ly anyone?
16:04 Kacey            ?
16:04 ruskie           ugh
16:06 celeron55        marktraceur lives in an expensive country 8)
16:06 RealBadAngel     hehe
16:06 celeron55        we should fund some polish guy so it'd be way cheaper 8D
16:07 Kacey            or some chinese 6 year old
16:07 ruskie           hmm that's roughly a months pay for me
16:07 celeron55        in here $1500 is like 40-80% of a month's pay
16:08 Kacey            in the us that is quite a bit right now
16:08 RealBadAngel     i get 350usd per month, workin 5 days a week, 8hrs
16:08 thexyz           celeron55: any idea on what to do with gloopmaster's topics?
16:08 Kacey            i get $50 a day for sitting in a combine
16:09 celeron55        thexyz: does anyone care about the mods?
16:09 celeron55        like, in practice
16:09 Kacey            celeron55: why does minetest.net keep going down?
16:09 thexyz           i've already reuploaded all his mods here http://mods.minetest.ru/
16:09 celeron55        Kacey: i don't know (yet)
16:09 Kacey            ooh ok
16:10 thexyz           but too lazy to recover his topics
16:10 RealBadAngel     i do, gloopores will be used in magic branch of technic
16:10 celeron55        thexyz: maybe they should be just deleted and a sticky added to mod releases which'd be disabled for comments by random people and random lost mods like that would be posted there by moderators
16:10 celeron55        or something
16:10 celeron55        it'd be easier to maintain
16:11 celeron55        but harder to search for
16:11 RealBadAngel     celeron55, ive posted patch with changes, have you seen it? taoki waits for it
16:11 iqualfragile     it would be great to have a real mod-database
16:11 iqualfragile     not just forum-posts
16:12 RealBadAngel     some1 should take care of it
16:12 iqualfragile     someone already did some work on that but im unshure who was
16:12 iqualfragile     celeron55: would you host such an database?
16:12 celeron55        i'm pretty sure i or thexyz could host it
16:14 Taoki            Yeah, still waiting for that patch to go in master
16:14 celeron55        and yes, there already exists kind of a barebones mod database, but i don't remember the nick of the one who've made it... it's on the forum somewhere
16:15 Kacey            ha epic mega mod idea!!!!
16:15 thexyz           celeron55: rubenwardy, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2854
16:15 celeron55        Taoki, RealBadAngel: are you aware that there are four people who can both technically and authoritatively merge stuff upstream?
16:15 iqualfragile     found it: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/
16:16 Jordach          HOLY SHIT A mc texture pack with this license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1435220-16x14-greatwood-r4j-191012/
16:16 Taoki            I don't remember everyone, just thexyz and PitzAdam
16:16 iqualfragile     it seems like im 30 secs to late
16:16 celeron55        darkrose is the third one, and me the fourth
16:17 paxcoder         Jordach, NC = non-free
16:18 Jordach          paxcoder - but these textures are
16:18 paxcoder         Jordach, are what?
16:18 Jordach          the tp i linked
16:18 celeron55        RealBadAngel: i still don't like it that you store the bits too
16:19 celeron55        i guess i'll have to let that through because you insist
16:19 thexyz           Jordach: not as in free beer
16:19 paxcoder         thexyz, what?
16:19 paxcoder         why do you all sound like you don't know the first thing about free culture?
16:20 thexyz           paxcoder: he obviously doesn't know what does "free" mean
16:20 paxcoder         thexyz, the back is free as in beer. it's not free as in speech.
16:20 paxcoder         *pack
16:20 thexyz           yes, i noticed that
16:20 celeron55        i always hate "non-commercial" licenses, they are so vague
16:21 paxcoder         <thexyz> Jordach: not as in free beer
16:21 paxcoder         yes as in free beer
16:21 paxcoder         no as in free speech
16:21 thexyz           (20:16:53) Jordach: paxcoder - but these textures are
16:21 thexyz           well, whatever
16:21 * Taoki          hates licenses because any software should be free :P
16:21 paxcoder         thexyz, :-/
16:21 thexyz           seems that we've just misunderstood each other
16:22 paxcoder         Taoki, copyleft protects your wishes
16:22 Taoki            yup
16:22 paxcoder         PD and permissive don't
16:22 Kacey            oldcoder how do you reset a world by a couple minutes?
16:22 Taoki            thexyz: Did you look at RBA's patch for lua keys? I'm waiting for it in master before I can continue the models
16:24 Taoki            brb however, going away for an hour or two
16:24 thexyz           Taoki: why do you need to have it in master?
16:25 paxcoder         celeron55, does github auto-create the zips you link to, or can you specify which version to make em from?
16:25 Taoki            thexyz: Because my script for player animations needs the new functions\
16:25 thexyz           paxcoder: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/archive/06033cdd6032211d95b41722de43662d0fb097a9.zip
16:25 thexyz           Taoki: well, the just merge his changes into your branch
16:26 Taoki            I can do that, but I'd rather wait for them to get in master first since he pull requested it. Feels safer
16:26 Taoki            Anyway BRB
16:26 paxcoder         theDrumm, oh. so it's auto-generates it from the hash i take it? cool, thanks
16:26 thexyz           i'd prefer to change protocol version one time instead of two
16:27 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
16:27 Kacey            hello
16:27 Calinou          hi
16:27 PilzAdam         VanessaE, youre here?
16:28 Calinou          youre > you're
16:28 paxcoder         theDrumm, too bad the name can't be generic though
16:28 Calinou          you're here? > are you here?
16:28 Calinou          :D
16:28 Taoki            RealBadAngel: Till I'm back, please make a diff of your changes if possible and send it to me.
16:28 paxcoder         Calinou, the second, yeah
16:28 Taoki            ill get it when im back
16:29 paxcoder         thexyz, ^ not theDrumm
16:29 * paxcoder       angrily joins #xchat
16:29 celeron55        Taoki: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/293.patch
16:30 Calinou          xchat ftw
16:30 thexyz           Taoki: you can also add his repo as remote and merge his branch with yours
16:30 celeron55        git apply should add that cleanly
16:30 celeron55        with the proper author and so
16:30 celeron55        i usually use remote repos though
16:31 Kacey            PilzAdam is towntest your mod?
16:32 Penguin          hey
16:33 Kacey            sup!!!
16:33 PilzAdam         Kacey, i made the NPC
16:33 Kacey            ooh ok what is the orange player thing?
16:34 PilzAdam         that is the NPC
16:34 Penguin          Hi Babyface1031
16:36 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, *ping*
16:38 Penguin          kacey what server you on
16:39 babyface1031     hey penguin
16:40 Penguin          hi babyface what server are you on
16:42 Penguin          ???
16:48 RealBadAngel     celeron55, i store bits because im using them
16:49 RealBadAngel     thx to it i can check if the certain keys were pressed with single check
16:49 RealBadAngel     for example if player moved
16:50 RealBadAngel     nobody is forced tables or bits, there are two separate functions to get the controls
16:51 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, how are the textures doing?
16:51 RealBadAngel     still havent finished them :(
16:51 ruskie           wtf... just found a nyan cat block and a nyan cat rainbow block
16:53 rubenwardy       singular rainbow block?
16:53 ruskie           nyan cat rainbow
16:54 rubenwardy       singular = only one
16:54 ruskie           yup
16:54 OldCoder         Hi
16:54 OldCoder         Somebody rang?
17:08 MiJyn            I'm trying to make a game in pure OpenGL and X11, and I'm wondering if anyone here would have pointers (since this game uses Irrlicht)
17:09 Jordach          if you're looking for pointers: 0xDEADBEEF 0x0002
17:16 rubenwardy       how do i enter [ ] in a forum post?
17:17 Zeg9             Does \[ \] work ?
17:19 rubenwardy       nm
17:19 rubenwardy       [   ] works
17:23 Penguin          Hey Babyface1031 OldCoder And everyone
17:24 KikaRz           Hi ther e:)
17:26 Penguin          What Server You Peoples On
17:26 PilzAdam         localhost :-p
17:26 Penguin          ?
17:27 marktraceur      Taoki: FYI, the campaign is largely an attempt to spread the word, more than the features.
17:27 rubenwardy       he means singleplayer
17:27 Penguin          oh
17:27 Penguin          Anyone on multi player
17:27 marktraceur      celeron55: I don't have the skills to offer engine features at the moment, but I might be able to in the future--hopefully some of my time during this period would go towards exploring that
17:28 marktraceur      Taoki: I tried to make it clear that I'd either have a huge success and move towards doing this again, possibly more full-time, or have moderate success and donate half the proceeds to other free game developers (c55 probably included on the list)
17:31 OldCoder         Penguin, Hi!
17:31 Penguin          Hi
17:31 Penguin          How was meeting
17:33 KikaRz           ny server.
17:33 marktraceur      celeron55: And yes, San Francisco is expensive, and software developers in San Francisco are even more expensive :) hopefully this drives some competition, I'd like to see others do it better than I do.
17:33 KikaRz           *my
17:34 KikaRz           30 seconds poll: Do you like Minetest mods?
17:34 KikaRz           Y
17:34 KikaRz           20 seconds
17:34 KikaRz           10
17:34 PilzAdam         +1
17:34 KikaRz            2
17:34 KikaRz            1
17:34 KikaRz           Y: 2 | N: 0
17:35 KikaRz           OldCoder
17:35 OldCoder         KikaRz, yes?
17:35 OldCoder         Of course I like mods
17:35 KikaRz           Change HOME PAGE: minetest.net to http://minetest.net
17:35 OldCoder         Mods are great
17:35 KikaRz           then itll be easier
17:35 OldCoder         Very well
17:35 KikaRz           just clicking it
17:35 KikaRz           that
17:36 Jordach          good evening FreeFull
17:38 KikaRz           or: Afternoon
17:38 FreeFull         Hi Jordach
17:38 KikaRz           17:38 GMT +0
17:41 hmmmm            http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121122022244_Intel_s_Haswell_Could_Be_Last_Interchangeable_Desktop_Microprocessors_Report.html
17:41 hmmmm            It's over, PC gaming is finished.
17:42 Lumpio-          why
17:42 OldCoder         john_minetest, Hi
17:45 PilzAdam         playing Minetest with a uncommon size has some strange effects: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3705066589
17:45 KikaRz           yea
17:45 KikaRz           in inventory
17:45 PilzAdam         the tree at the right is actually realy far away
17:45 KikaRz           and if you minimize it
17:45 KikaRz           its the problem
17:46 PilzAdam         IIRC all the things depend on the vertical size of the window
17:47 Kacey            hello
17:47 Kacey            is c55 still on?
17:47 Calinou          why ask? just ask your question..
17:48 Kacey            it is about something i cannot figure out
17:48 Calinou          ask away
17:48 Calinou          someone will answer when they know the answer
17:49 Kacey            is it possible to make a player mod that has random AI players that will chat and build as they want?
17:49 Calinou          somehow
17:49 thexyz           yes
17:49 PilzAdam         yea
17:49 Calinou          edit your minetest.conf, add random_input = true
17:49 Calinou          start game, connect to a server
17:49 Calinou          you move randomly and mine/build stuff randomly
17:50 PilzAdam         thats not a mod
17:50 Calinou          you can even attack other players this way :D
17:50 Calinou          but you still need to use a client
17:50 Calinou          and no chat
17:50 Kacey            but in singleplayer and there is random other players
17:50 PilzAdam         you can do it with a mod
17:51 Calinou          you can connect other players to your SP world
17:51 Calinou          start up a local server with the "advanced" menu, by putting no address in the address field
17:51 Calinou          connect other clients with IP 127.0.0.1
17:51 Calinou          (NOT an empty address, else you can say good bye to your world)
17:52 Kacey            no without other real players and without other clients but AI players
17:52 PilzAdam         its a lot of work, but possible
17:52 Kacey            well we should work on it
17:53 PilzAdam         we!?! no, you
17:53 Kacey            i can barely make a block
17:55 Kacey            random in put is funny
17:59 Kacey            does anyone want to join my server?
18:00 marktraceur      Kacey: What mods do you has?
18:01 Kacey            towntest, mailbox, nuke, weegee, and crafting
18:01 Kacey            the last two i made
18:01 marktraceur      Kacey: 'crafting'?
18:01 Kacey            a way to make mese and nyancat
18:01 Kacey            but it is in creative mode
18:03 marktraceur      Oh, right
18:03 marktraceur      Pass
18:04 Kacey            ok
18:04 OldCoder         Dogzilla131 wishes to run a Windows MT server
18:04 OldCoder         I am not able to build one ATM. Is there a standard copy he should download?
18:05 bulletrulz       hi
18:06 KikaRz           and me too OldCoder
18:06 KikaRz           mr Dogzilla131, enter to the github
18:06 KikaRz           wait
18:07 KikaRz           http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/
18:08 KikaRz           download the latest
18:08 Dogzilla131      nut i already have a one
18:09 Dogzilla131      *but
18:10 bulletrulz       i GOT WIFI AGIAN
18:10 KikaRz           http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-63e73f2-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z (but that is not 0.4.3)
18:10 KikaRz           wlel
18:10 KikaRz           0.4.3 final
18:10 OldCoder         KikaRz, tank you
18:10 OldCoder         Dogzilla131, do you see this?
18:11 OldCoder         Can use p7zip to unpack that
18:11 KikaRz           yep
18:11 KikaRz           i guess
18:11 KikaRz           7zip or WinRAR
18:11 OldCoder         I was commenting to him; I am pretty sure several programs will work
18:11 Kacey            uum towntest failed a little
18:12 OldCoder         When?
18:12 OldCoder         Hmm?
18:12 OldCoder         Kacey, I mean unpacker programs
18:12 Kacey            nvm it was building weird
18:13 Kacey            i was talking about a mod
18:13 OldCoder         k
18:14 Calinou          bulletrulz: this is a debian/trisquel user's catchphrase...
18:14 Calinou          :D
18:15 bulletrulz       :D
18:15 KikaRz           '-'
18:15 KikaRz           sfan5
18:15 sfan5            whatß
18:15 KikaRz           can you compile a minetest win32 server?
18:15 sfan5            *?
18:16 KikaRz           like that one http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-63e73f2-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z ?
18:16 KikaRz           i need and Dogzilla131 too
18:16 sfan5            every build contains minetestserver.exe
18:16 sfan5            it should
18:16 KikaRz           >Nope
18:16 KikaRz           the latest doesnt
18:16 sfan5            if it does not use minetest.exe --server
18:16 Calinou          shift + right click in bin folder (empty space), "open command line here"
18:16 Calinou          minetest.exe --server --worldname <world_name>
18:17 Calinou          worldname is needed if your world is not named "world"
18:17 sfan5            KikaRz: are you blind?
18:17 KikaRz           ...
18:17 KikaRz           Calinou
18:17 ecube            or if there are multiple worlds?
18:17 sfan5            the latest build contains minetestserver.exe
18:17 Calinou          ecube: that too
18:17 Calinou          KikaRz: what :P
18:17 Calinou          KikaRz: that way of running a server worked just fine for me..
18:18 rubenwardy       there is no "open command line here" in Windows 7
18:18 rubenwardy       not sure about XP
18:18 rubenwardy       the way i do it is with shortcuts
18:18 KikaRz           things: Irrlicht.dll ; libogg, libvorbis. libvorbisfile, minetest.exe,mingvm10, OpenAL32, zlibwapi.dll
18:18 Calinou          there is
18:18 Calinou          if you shift+right click
18:18 KikaRz           Nope
18:18 KikaRz           XP doesnt
18:19 Calinou          well then
18:19 KikaRz           just put:
18:19 Kacey            just open command prompt and cd to the bin folder
18:19 rubenwardy       ah
18:19 Calinou          open command line with "cmd" in Run menu
18:19 KikaRz           right button in minetest.exe
18:19 KikaRz           copy
18:19 Calinou          cd C:\<path to minetest folder...>
18:19 KikaRz           create shotcur
18:19 Calinou          you can tab complete :)
18:19 KikaRz           *shortcut
18:19 Calinou          or yes, do a shortcut
18:19 KikaRz           Right button, Properties (in shotcut)
18:19 Calinou          or even better, get a real OS
18:19 KikaRz           then...
18:19 Calinou          XP is terrible
18:19 KikaRz           minetestfolder > bin > minetest.exe" --server
18:19 ecube            windows is terrible
18:19 KikaRz           NO IT ISNT
18:19 KikaRz           CALINOU, YOU ARE FIRED!
18:19 Kacey            i needto make the switch to linux
18:20 Calinou          no u
18:20 ecube            Kacey: I suggest ubuntu (which is for linux noobs), but if you're pretty good with linux by now, try arch
18:20 KikaRz           i can't change to linux
18:20 Calinou          KikaRz: insecure, unsafe, closed source
18:20 Calinou          ecube: lol, harshlinux
18:20 ecube            why not?
18:20 Calinou          xubuntu FTW
18:20 KikaRz           Ubuntu sucks
18:20 Calinou          ubuntu without the downsides
18:20 Kacey            i use xubuntu if anything
18:20 ecube            It does, but ubuntu is for noobs
18:20 KikaRz           Ubuntu lags.
18:20 KikaRz           -.-
18:20 ecube            true
18:20 KikaRz           For old computers, Ubuntu lags a lot
18:20 rubenwardy       can anybody think of anything that this is missing: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52991
18:21 KikaRz           with that thing of Unity
18:21 Calinou          lighter DE/WM (lets you disable desktop effects, good for games), no amazon :p
18:21 ecube            but its easy for people who don't know linux
18:21 Calinou          KikaRz: then use an ubuntu derivative
18:21 KikaRz           ...
18:21 Calinou          xubuntu is pretty easy to use, polished, fast
18:21 Calinou          it does not lag
18:21 Calinou          even on my netbook
18:21 Kacey            hhow about turbolinux
18:21 Calinou          it only has 1GB ram
18:21 ecube            hehe
18:21 KikaRz           I hate taht ubuntu derivative.
18:21 Calinou          reason?
18:21 ecube            i don't even know how to install xubuntu
18:21 KikaRz           ... Calinou, i got 405
18:21 KikaRz           RAM
18:21 KikaRz           MB
18:21 ecube            lol
18:21 KikaRz           in this pc
18:21 ecube            512mb V_V
18:21 Calinou          download ISO, burn to DVD/usb drive (using unetbootin), put USB key, reboot, install
18:21 Calinou          it's not hard
18:21 ecube            lol
18:21 Calinou          it's like any other *buntu or mint
18:21 ecube            i can only find ubuntu
18:21 Calinou          KikaRz: get more ram.
18:22 PilzAdam         rubenwardy, sometimes it helps to restart Minetest completly (closing window) to get the inventory items texture bug fixed
18:22 Calinou          you can put more ram if it is a desktop, however it must be compatible...
18:22 Calinou          almost all ram sold today is ddr3
18:22 ecube            well, mint is ok, but it's infected with the ubuntu tangled dependency disease
18:22 KikaRz           Calinou, better: give me a new computer :)
18:22 Calinou          go to your local store
18:22 ecube            i can't do anything, almost, unless i uninstall most critical aspects of ubuntu
18:22 KikaRz           ...
18:22 Calinou          there are a lot of decent computers for a not-so-expensive price
18:22 KikaRz           Away.
18:22 Calinou          ecube: you mean, X? :P
18:23 ecube            yep
18:23 Calinou          ubuntu has a lot of upsides: fairly up to date packages, stability, large community... noone forces you to use unity though
18:23 ecube            for some reason, my system made X dependant on pulseaudio and some random shit like that
18:23 ecube            unity
18:23 thexyz           gentoo
18:23 ecube            I ended up going to arch
18:23 Jordach          <Calinou> ubuntu has a lot of upsides: fairly up to date packages, stability, large community... noone forces you to use unity though - because unity is SHIT
18:23 ecube            lol
18:23 ecube            true
18:24 PilzAdam         Kubuntu
18:24 ecube            archlinux
18:24 Jordach          Windows XP 32-Bit Home
18:24 Calinou          Jordach: it's not shit, problems are: slow, no way to disable compositing, too many effects, amazon
18:24 Calinou          i'm not against amazon "ads" but amazon itself
18:24 Jordach          +5
18:24 ecube            Calinou: yes it is shit
18:24 Calinou          it has done very evil things these days
18:24 ecube            cuz they force you to have it
18:24 ecube            and they force you to use pulse
18:24 Taoki            back
18:24 Calinou          such as deleting ebooks remotely -- not acceptable
18:24 Calinou          pulse is good
18:24 Calinou          get a CPU
18:25 ecube            i have a 2 core CPU
18:25 Taoki            marktraceur: Thanks for clearing me up on that. I hope it will be a success :)
18:25 ecube            does that count?
18:25 Calinou          yes
18:25 Calinou          xubuntu here
18:25 Calinou          (for the poll)
18:25 rubenwardy       Windows 7 64-Bit Home
18:25 Calinou          lol
18:25 Calinou          windows user, FLAME
18:25 * Jordach        high fives rubenwardy
18:25 Taoki            celeron55: Thanks for that link. I will try to apply his patch to my GIT and see how that works. Hopefully we'll have an animated player within the next days :D
18:25 Kacey            windows xp
18:25 Calinou          lol
18:25 rubenwardy       I use Ubuntu as well
18:25 marktraceur      Debian GNU/Linux
18:25 thexyz           Calinou: Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce PulseAudio as Pu.psh.sAddia...u..psh..
18:25 ecube            It's not the resource-usage that pulse does, it's the unfriendlyness for the API
18:25 Calinou          harshlinux isn't any faster than ubuntu btw
18:25 ecube            it used to be as simple as writing /dev/dsp
18:25 ecube            Calinou: It is for me :P
18:26 Kacey            how do i fixed mixed up inventorie images?
18:26 Calinou          ecube: you're doing it wrong if you do stuff "directly" (eg. making a game)
18:26 Calinou          it's like using GLX -- wrong
18:26 KikaRz-Awaytempl Windows XP = DA BEST
18:26 Calinou          use SDL. have no issues with "upcoming" stuff
18:26 Calinou          such as wayland, pulseaudio
18:26 ecube            lol I do
18:26 KikaRz-Awaytempl preffer windows XP than windows 7 and 8.
18:26 KikaRz-Awaytempl -.-
18:26 ecube            but pulse's API is retarded
18:26 Calinou          GLX is like using assembler to make a game
18:26 thexyz           ecube: every binary distro forces you to use something
18:26 thexyz           this is called "dependencies"
18:26 ecube            I know, but ubuntu has so many of them
18:26 Calinou          it's not because something looks "made for harshlinux" users it is better
18:26 Calinou          see systemd
18:26 rubenwardy       I love how in C++, one line of wrong code can cause 24 compile errors
18:26 rubenwardy       OldCoder ^^
18:26 Calinou          a lot of people complain about it :)
18:27 OldCoder         Hi!
18:27 Calinou          windows 8 is laughable at
18:27 OldCoder         Oh yes
18:27 Calinou          but you're still forced to buy it if you want a decent priced pc
18:27 OldCoder         rubenwardy, my VPS is trashed but I am rebuilding it
18:27 Calinou          OS-less computers are too expensive
18:27 ecube            I saw a screenshot at windows 8 and thought, what the hell is this, an ad?
18:27 Calinou          manufacturers make money off linux users
18:27 Calinou          you can just remove it, FOR THE 500TH TIME SECURE BOOT CAN BE DISABLED ON X86.
18:27 thexyz           http://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/b6b6b6fc.png
18:27 Calinou          ecube: no, "this is the future", says the ad's music :)
18:27 Calinou          lol
18:28 ecube            btw, i am going to buy an iphone 20
18:28 Kacey            how may i fix the mixed inventory images?
18:28 Calinou          ecube: why an iphone when you can have android?
18:28 thexyz           Kacey: disable texture atlas
18:28 ecube            cuz i'm a jedi
18:28 Kacey            how?
18:28 Calinou          Kacey: try using opengl instead of direct3d too
18:28 Calinou          enable_texture_atlas = false in minetest.conf
18:28 Kacey            i use opengl
18:28 Calinou          and for opengl: video_driver = opengl
18:28 ecube            http://mashable.com/2012/09/13/iphone-10/
18:29 thexyz           Kacey: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3829
18:29 Calinou          oh
18:30 rubenwardy       Windows 7 areo snap is my favourite thing about Windows 7
18:30 rubenwardy       (it is how windows snap to the side of the screen and to each other)
18:30 thexyz           rubenwardy: you should also add this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3823 to faq
18:30 ecube            i don't know how that works
18:30 FreeFull         Calinou: What about ARM
18:31 Calinou          ARM are patent trolls :p
18:31 Calinou          why would you run a regular linux distro on a tablet anyway...
18:31 Calinou          i have yet to see a desktop computer using ARM anyway, or even big laptops
18:32 ecube            I like the window decorations for windows 7, and that's about it for windows
18:33 rubenwardy       (6:30:16 PM) thexyz: rubenwardy: you should also add this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3823 to faq
18:33 rubenwardy       i dont know what that is
18:35 Kacey            nope inventory images still messed up
18:35 Calinou          ecube: it's compositing == eats your GPU
18:36 ecube            I'm not on windows
18:36 thexyz           rubenwardy: his CPU probably doesn't support SSE2 (or even SSE), the solution is to use other build (without sse/sse2 instructions)
18:36 thexyz           and now it's time to find such a build
18:38 KikaRz-Awaytempl i use direct3d
18:38 Jordach          D3D9 is BUGGY WITH irrlicht#
18:38 KikaRz-Awaytempl no it isnt
18:38 Calinou          direct3D sucks, period
18:38 KikaRz-Awaytempl just when you maximize or minimize windows
18:38 Calinou          proprietary APIs need to die
18:38 KikaRz-Awaytempl shut up calinou
18:38 KikaRz-Awaytempl buy me a fucking good graphics card
18:39 Calinou          opengl is as fast on modern (2007+) GPUs
18:39 Calinou          and works on nearly any platform, thus has less bugs.
18:39 Calinou          and it's an open standard, we need to support open standards
18:39 marktraceur      KikaRz-Awaytempl: Telling someone to shut up is a *great* way to make your point, good job
18:39 KikaRz-Awaytempl calinou is making me sad.
18:40 marktraceur      KikaRz: What is he saying to make you sad?
18:40 KikaRz           He wants me to buy a VERY GOOD GAMING COMPUTER
18:40 Calinou          KikaRz: a nvidia 9800GT costs like 50 euros and will run most games more than playably :p
18:40 KikaRz           or to enhance my computer at 100%
18:40 Calinou          (it's PCI of course, you're out of luck if you only have AGP)
18:41 marktraceur      KikaRz: His suggestion for hardware makes you sad?
18:41 KikaRz           yep
18:41 KikaRz           because i dont have money to enhance my computer
18:41 marktraceur      KikaRz: So if I suggested that, if you have crooked teeth, orthodontry would help, you would also be sad?
18:41 KikaRz           ? o-o?
18:41 KikaRz           dafuq?
18:41 marktraceur      KikaRz: Let me suggest either being less vocal about your irrational sadness or calling a qualified therapist.
18:42 KikaRz           first: got family problems
18:42 KikaRz           second: money only for energy, water and food
18:42 KikaRz           third: got much time for computer, but dont have money to enhance it
18:42 KikaRz           fourth: my life is only 49,1% good
18:42 KikaRz           now, going to dinner
18:43 Calinou          me too, bye
18:44 rubenwardy       New channel idea: #rant
18:49 ruskie           OldCoder, something wrong with europe?
18:50 Mika_R           hi all
18:50 OldCoder         Hi!
18:50 OldCoder         ruskie, I will check now
18:51 OldCoder         Looks O.K. Hold on
18:51 OldCoder         artur99 is there
18:52 ruskie           hmm I was there then suddenly everything stopped loading
18:52 Mika_R           OldCoder, which one is better for an old pc Lubuntu or Xubuntu?
18:52 ruskie           and now I can't connect
18:52 OldCoder         Mika_R, hold on
18:52 OldCoder         ruskie, Possible lockup
18:52 OldCoder         But I see no problem
18:52 OldCoder         I will SIGINT it
18:52 ruskie           also I notice that whenever artur99 connects I get insane lag
18:52 OldCoder         Hmm
18:52 OldCoder         Insane??
18:52 OldCoder         odd
18:52 OldCoder         hold on
18:52 Mika_R           ruskie what server?
18:53 ruskie           yeah can't do anything... I lay down 30 blocks maybe thi first and the last will take hold
18:53 OldCoder         This is consistent?
18:53 ruskie           everything else just disapears
18:53 babyface1031     oh i didnt know europe was up i would of went there
18:53 ruskie           only when he's connecting
18:53 OldCoder         That is very odd
18:53 ruskie           when he's on it seems ok
18:53 OldCoder         Why would a connect from Romania do this?
18:53 OldCoder         john_minetest, my VPS got trashed
18:53 OldCoder         I am rebuilding things today
18:53 ruskie           OldCoder, could be due to dialup maybe?
18:53 OldCoder         I may upgrade the server
18:53 OldCoder         ruskie, that would slow him down
18:54 OldCoder         Why would it affect the server?
18:54 OldCoder         ruskie, Restarting
18:54 OldCoder         ruskie, try now
18:54 OldCoder         But I don't know what happened
18:54 OldCoder         Mika_R, One moment
18:54 ruskie           now I'm connected
18:55 OldCoder         Mika_R, Lubuntu is lighter
18:55 Mika_R           ok, tried 32bit ubuntu today but it was a bit laggy
18:55 OldCoder         http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2012149
18:55 OldCoder         Mika_R, ^
18:55 Mika_R           thx
18:55 OldCoder         It will run with 256MB RAM
18:55 OldCoder         But that is pushing it
18:56 Mika_R           it has 512mb ram and a single core 1ghz cpu
18:56 KikaRz           Ups
18:57 ruskie           john_minetest, try saluki or slax works fine ;)
18:57 KikaRz           bug
18:57 OldCoder         ruskie, artur just rejoined
18:57 OldCoder         Watch for patterns please
18:58 ruskie           I already lagged out immediatly after join
18:58 ruskie           just put some sand in the furnace and that was all that I could do
18:58 Mika_R           ruskie, europe.minetest.org?
18:58 ruskie           I don't get it... my line is idle
18:59 ruskie           Mika_R, yes
18:59 Mika_R           seems like i can't get in on that one
18:59 ruskie           hmm my ping to the server is ~60
18:59 Mika_R           how did you find that?
18:59 ruskie           just pinged it
18:59 ruskie           hehe
19:00 ruskie           and now I can't connect again weird
19:02 OldCoder         That IS odd
19:02 OldCoder         No problems I can see
19:02 OldCoder         20:02:08: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:1036(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=723
19:02 OldCoder         I'm getting that
19:02 ruskie           that's not my ip
19:02 OldCoder         Yes
19:02 OldCoder         I'm getting that for multiple IPs
19:03 ruskie           but that one is romanian
19:03 OldCoder         20:01:00: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 77.105.1
19:03 OldCoder         03.201:35075(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=65530
19:03 OldCoder         That too
19:03 ruskie           finland
19:03 OldCoder         Hmm
19:03 Mika_R           problably me
19:03 OldCoder         Are timeouts for Mika and Artur slowing down the server?
19:04 OldCoder         Should not affect overall but maybe
19:04 OldCoder         I regret I can't build and add debug code presently
19:04 Mika_R           oldcoder, i played on the server a month back without bigger problems
19:04 OldCoder         Yes
19:04 OldCoder         Right now this seems to be mostly Artur
19:05 ruskie           I was on there today all afternoon
19:05 OldCoder         Could one of you ask him to leave temporarily?
19:05 ruskie           I can't connect
19:05 Mika_R           me neither
19:05 OldCoder         Hold on
19:05 OldCoder         I think I'll block his IP
19:05 OldCoder         at the firewall level
19:05 OldCoder         Let's see what happens
19:05 Mika_R           i think i got all media loaded a while back but when changing window it crashed
19:06 OldCoder         Hate to do this
19:06 ruskie           yeah
19:06 OldCoder         But I see little choice
19:06 Mika_R           how could he get it so slow
19:07 OldCoder         One step at a time
19:07 OldCoder         First we test
19:09 OldCoder         84.20.228.4
19:09 OldCoder         Where is that one?
19:09 ruskie           that's me
19:09 ruskie           slovenia
19:09 OldCoder         What is port 54079?
19:09 OldCoder         Oh
19:09 OldCoder         nvm
19:10 OldCoder         ruskie, Mika are you able to access at present?
19:10 ruskie           trying to connect
19:10 OldCoder         I'm starting to think I'll need to set up a different VPS and I don't have funds
19:10 OldCoder         I have one in Germany
19:10 OldCoder         How might Germany work for you?
19:10 ruskie           nope I can't connect :(
19:11 OldCoder         ruskie, Wait
19:11 * VanessaE       peeks in
19:11 VanessaE         hi
19:11 OldCoder         VanessaE, hi
19:11 Jordach          hey VanessaE
19:11 KikaRz           Hi VanessaE
19:11 OldCoder         ruskie, restarting again
19:11 KikaRz           How are you ?
19:11 ruskie           ahh
19:11 VanessaE         PilzAdam: pull requests available for your review.
19:11 OldCoder         ruskie, Mika_R I may try one in Germany next week
19:11 VanessaE         I figured out the branches thing.
19:12 ruskie           OldCoder, I have no prob with them in most places
19:13 PilzAdam         VanessaE, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/45#issuecomment-10639461
19:14 PilzAdam         and good to see seperated pull requests ;-)
19:15 ruskie           still can't connect
19:15 sokomine         hi everyone :-)
19:15 PilzAdam         lol'd: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53003#p53003
19:15 VanessaE         PilzAdam: fixing.  stand by.
19:15 sokomine         one in germany? server?
19:16 OldCoder         sokomine, Not yet. I think I can set up one there.
19:16 OldCoder         Current VPS is suddenly not working.
19:16 sokomine         oh
19:16 OldCoder         MrSparkle, Hi!
19:16 Mika_R           Oldcoder, what is the average price for a VPS?
19:16 OldCoder         ruskie, what about now?
19:17 OldCoder         Mika_R, ranges from free to $100 USD per month
19:17 sokomine         well...the kingarthur server ought to be in germany afaik. the owner's german as are many players
19:17 ruskie           hmm
19:17 OldCoder         Mika_R, I am about to upgrade my EC2 for MT so I can't afford to buy a Europe one
19:17 MrSparkle        O:
19:17 OldCoder         MrSparkle, hi
19:17 ruskie           still stuck with Connecting to server
19:17 OldCoder         Sorry
19:17 OldCoder         MrSparkle, I meant mrtux initially
19:17 MrSparkle        :(
19:18 OldCoder         MrSparkle, hello to you as well
19:18 MrSparkle        :D
19:18 OldCoder         ruskie, You cannot connect?
19:18 ruskie           no
19:18 ruskie           can't
19:18 OldCoder         MrSparkle, I hope your turkey is tasty if you have some
19:18 OldCoder         ruskie, I guess I will need a new VPS then
19:18 OldCoder         Can anybody else connect to:
19:18 OldCoder         europe.minetest.org port 30000 ?
19:18 babyface1031     i can try
19:19 Mika_R           oldcoder, no
19:19 * mrtux          didn't get turkey
19:19 MrSparkle        I hope so too, cause I'll be eating a lot fo it
19:19 * VanessaE       sighs
19:19 babyface1031     nope :( sorry @OldCoder
19:19 rubenwardy       you know sites like http://stackoverflow.com/ and http://wiki.answers.com/
19:19 rubenwardy       we should get a similar version of that, but for minetest. It would make answering problems easier
19:19 OldCoder         Odd
19:19 OldCoder         I am going to reboot the VPS
19:20 OldCoder         Rebooting
19:20 OldCoder         Attention: Europe is rebooting. And I guess I must somehow find a new Europe VPS for MT.
19:20 OldCoder         Got to be clear: My funds are limited.
19:21 OldCoder         Europe will come back in 15 minutes. We will try again then.
19:21 OldCoder         Need to verify that server is still *in* Europe.
19:21 sokomine         there is no need to apologize. you run that many servers already and give a home to servers whose owners no longer can run them. thank you for that!
19:21 Mika_R           oldcoder, what's the minimum ram and storage?
19:22 ruskie           OldCoder, well according to geoip it's still Ireland
19:22 PilzAdam         bye
19:22 mrtux            I'm probably able to run my minetest server again now, but I can't play Minetest much anymore
19:22 VanessaE         ARGH!!!!!!!
19:22 mrtux            makes my pc slow
19:22 mrtux            could just be windows
19:22 Jordach          VanessaE ARGH!?!
19:23 telek1           mrtux: Could be worse, mine keeps hanging or crashing :D
19:23 OldCoder         Mika_R, I think I'll aim for 1.0GB RAM preferably 1.5GB and 4GB of hard disk preferably 8GB.
19:23 VanessaE         Jordach: I HATE when people do that
19:23 mrtux            telek1, same
19:23 Jordach          i know
19:23 mrtux            but it is worse
19:23 Jordach          but i struggle to find time now :(
19:23 mrtux            uses up all my limited memory
19:23 mrtux            but
19:23 mrtux            could be windows
19:23 mrtux            being a piece of junk
19:23 sokomine         what did he do?
19:24 Jordach          mrtux - i think there is a memory limiter
19:24 mrtux            Oh?
19:24 mrtux            Ever since 0
19:24 mrtux            *
19:24 KikaRz           Skype
19:24 mrtux            ever since 0.4.3 minetest has been bad with memory
19:24 KikaRz           MSN
19:24 KikaRz           etc got memory used
19:25 Mika_R           oldcoder, OS?
19:25 mrtux            I don't have programs like msn or skype running at all times
19:25 sokomine         hm. how are the requirements of a minetest server compared to a minecraft one? (classic and..er...the version i can't play anyway?)
19:25 mrtux            just hexchat irc client
19:25 OldCoder         Mika_R, Debian or Ubuntu
19:25 OldCoder         Generic Debian works quite well
19:25 mrtux            Sokomine, my minecraft server runs fine on 1GB RAM
19:25 telek1           mrtux: I think it was prior to that, and actually memory usage now is great. Problem is it has a client leak every time you disconnect, and there appears to be issues with either a race or runaway memory condition, possibly caused by mods, possibly internal to the scripting engine.
19:25 OldCoder         64 bit is best
19:25 sokomine         ok. 1 gb is not much
19:26 mrtux            My vps is 64bit
19:26 telek1           OC: If you have >4gigs yeah, but what benefit below that?
19:26 mrtux            8 cores (intel xeons)
19:26 ruskie           telek1, on linux even 4gb+ is beneficial
19:27 ruskie           it just limits the max ram that an app can be
19:27 mrtux            Also sokomine, Minecraft uses about 700MB of ram on my vps
19:27 telek1           Ruskie: I was saying above 4 gig 64 bit support is good, but what use is it below that?
19:27 mrtux            isn't bad
19:27 rubenwardy       everyone: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/index.php
19:28 Mika_R           OldCoder, in netherlands it would be 54 dollars for a 1,5gb ram and 80GB disc, or 64 dollars for a 4gb ram and 10 000gb disc
19:28 rubenwardy       ^ My website design for minetest
19:28 rubenwardy       can anyone watch the video?
19:28 rubenwardy       it does not work for me
19:28 OldCoder         Mika_R, that sounds consistent
19:29 OldCoder         Mika_R, disk could be much smaller
19:29 OldCoder         Bad news. I can't reboot Europe.
19:29 ruskie           :(
19:29 OldCoder         I don't suppose anybody knows how to reach Anunakki
19:29 Mika_R           i found some site that offers pretty cheap
19:30 ruskie           might be something from that time something went wrong?
19:30 OldCoder         Mika_R, I have no $$$ at all for Europe
19:30 OldCoder         ruskie, I have some theories
19:30 Mika_R           ok
19:30 OldCoder         But right now the VPS is gone
19:30 mrtux            There is a site that offers free vps'
19:30 ruskie           OldCoder, he should come around sometime... if I see him I'll push him into your direction
19:30 mrtux            isn't a good service though
19:30 OldCoder         Not for Europe and it won't work for multiplayer
19:30 OldCoder         ruskie, Please do thanks
19:30 OldCoder         Otherwise I will try a VPS I have access to in Germany
19:30 sokomine         mika: per month? that sounds expensive
19:31 babyface1031     @OldCoder you not haveing a good day i hope it gets better
19:31 VanessaE         Jordach: I mean, I HATE when people say "bye" and then click quit before anyone can even respond
19:31 Jordach          aye
19:32 Mika_R           sokomine, i don't know anything about that, just the cheapest a comparison site gave me that were located in europe
19:32 OldCoder         babyface1031, ty
19:33 ruskie           OldCoder, hmm you can't restart it or it's not coming back up? because it is responding to pings?
19:33 sokomine         vanessa: ah. people do that a lot :-) in another game it became a challenge to try to wave someone goodby because that player disconnected so fast. nobody ever managed :-(
19:33 OldCoder         ruskie, Mika_R I've messaged the head of the VPS firm for Europe
19:33 OldCoder         ruskie, I will explain
19:33 OldCoder         ruskie, I am not sure but I think I locked myself out by enabling ufw; a firewall. I didn't think it would be disable all access by default but it may be.
19:33 OldCoder         Not sure why pings work though
19:33 ruskie           ahh
19:34 OldCoder         Not consistent
19:34 sokomine         hm, i heared about a simple v-server (only 0.5 gb ram guaranteed) for 7.50 euro/month
19:34 ruskie           no remote console access?
19:34 VanessaE         sokomine: where??
19:34 OldCoder         Anunakki would be the only one who would know
19:34 ruskie           ahh
19:34 sokomine         strato
19:34 OldCoder         ruskie, that is just a guess. Why is ping working when ssh does not?
19:34 OldCoder         Not consistent
19:34 Penguin          Hi
19:34 ruskie           maybe the default ruleset doesn't block ICMP
19:35 OldCoder         Hmm
19:35 OldCoder         Odd?!
19:35 ruskie           expected
19:35 OldCoder         If anybody sees Anunakki send him my way
19:35 ruskie           will do
19:35 OldCoder         ty
19:35 VanessaE         sokomine: actually it's 1GB RAM and it's about 12.26 euros/mo
19:35 VanessaE         (just looked it up)
19:36 VanessaE         still, that's easily competitive with regular shared hosting plans
19:36 sokomine         there are several offers
19:37 babyface1031     hi Penguin
19:37 VanessaE         may be a difference in price depending on region from which the web page request originates/.
19:37 Mika_R           sokomine, what do you think about tilaa.com?
19:37 sokomine         http://www.strato.de/server/virtual-linux-server/  lists it
19:37 VanessaE         I'm looking at their offers, cheapest is £9.90
19:38 VanessaE         ah yes, that's why, I had the english page open :-)
19:38 sokomine         never heared of that, but i havn't looked that detailed into hosting recently
19:38 * Jordach        could pay for that
19:38 sokomine         strange
19:38 Jordach          woah IPV6
19:38 VanessaE         damn it I need to brush up on my German :-)
19:39 sokomine         don't forget to read the small print though. in germany many things (mobile phone contracts, hosting services etc.) are offered for 0 or 1 euro and the details hidden in very small print
19:40 sokomine         do you really think it's cheaper here than in the us? that would be strange
19:40 VanessaE         very much so.
19:41 VanessaE         a good VPA in the states seems to be around US $30.
19:41 VanessaE         VPS*
19:41 Jordach          VanessaE - hmm, im looking for a decent host in the UK
19:41 VanessaE         anyway, gotta run.  Time to start cooking thanksgiving dinner :-)
19:41 Jordach          sweet
19:42 telek1           Wish you could get decent symmetric connections to the home.
19:42 telek1           Cheapest I've seen is T1 speeds for 400+ a month.
19:43 Jordach          telek1 - if i had some form of access to my uncles 100mb fibre server
19:43 Jordach          (which is endless btw)
19:43 Jordach          i could easily setup a mt server
19:46 sokomine         hm. what exactly is "vpa"?
19:46 Doc22            hello
19:46 Doc22            who is a good modder
19:46 babyface1031     Hi Doc22
19:46 Doc22            I am trying to use PseuduRandom
19:47 Doc22            local obj = PseudoRandom(seed)
19:47 Doc22            is this correct?
19:47 Doc22            It throws an error
19:47 Doc22            saying that PseudoRandom is a nill value
19:47 Jordach          okay, im somewhat awesome: i got a private beta entry for soundcloud!
19:47 sokomine         well, what kind of error? and obj seems to be a strange name for a variable that most likely will hold a number
19:47 Doc22            and hi babyface1031
19:47 Doc22            yeah
19:48 Doc22            I just gave that as example
19:48 Doc22            the real name is num
19:48 Doc22            it says "cant find global PseudoRandom (a nil value)"
19:48 Doc22            err
19:48 Doc22            attempt to call global Pseu...
19:49 sokomine         did you include that code that adds this function somehow?
19:49 Doc22            no it says in the api that it can be called
19:49 sokomine         well, maybe math.Pseudorandom or something like that
19:49 Doc22            https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt line 1181
19:49 Doc22            idk what it would be
19:50 Doc22            I am using this for a plant that grows randomly
19:50 Doc22            it would be if num.next() < max then
19:51 Doc22            grow -x
19:51 Doc22            if num.next < max then
19:51 Doc22            grow -z
19:51 sokomine         ah, ok, so it's something minetest-specific
19:51 Doc22            the y axis
19:51 Doc22            yes
19:51 Doc22            it just goes down to dirt
19:52 Doc22            I need this to make it grow randomly
19:52 KikaRz           hey
19:52 KikaRz           who knows an external mapping too?
19:52 KikaRz           *tool
19:52 sokomine         ah, ok. have a look at moreores. that seems to use it as well
19:52 Jordach          there is not one as of yet
19:53 Doc22            ok I will
19:53 KikaRz           ARQW$)R"/(=#YR$%
19:53 KikaRz           i want a external mapper :(
19:53 sokomine         external mapping tool? one that draws a map of the map? search for minetestmapper or the mod map
19:53 Jordach          sokomine - not like that
19:54 Jordach          actual editing like gimp 2.x
19:54 sokomine         aah
19:54 sokomine         well...er...that's done ingame? :-)
19:55 Doc22            hmm'
19:55 Doc22            they init it the same way
19:55 Doc22            local pr = PseudoRandom(seed)
19:55 KikaRz           no
19:55 KikaRz           sokomine, a editor.
19:56 KikaRz           not a mapper that draws a map of the map .
19:56 Doc22            oh :P
19:56 Doc22            typo
19:56 Doc22            I HATE TYPOS
19:57 sokomine         hm. what do you intend to edit? what shall it do?
19:58 Doc22            now it is saying that I need to supply userdata to the .next function
19:59 KikaRz           ... sokomine, its to edit a map
19:59 KikaRz           like... making it flat...
19:59 KikaRz           etc
20:00 Doc22            simple script
20:00 Doc22            for x < map.max
20:00 Doc22            for y < map.maxy
20:00 sokomine         doc: guess it wants a range? something like pr:next( range_start, range_end )
20:00 Doc22            err replace z with y
20:00 Doc22            I tried that.
20:00 Doc22            OHHH
20:00 Doc22            i was doing pr.next
20:00 Doc22            and then you go down the z axis
20:00 sokomine         kika: ah. hm. for making it flat there are some mods. but they are rather slow. or worldedit for smaller regions
20:00 Doc22            until you hit a block
20:01 KikaRz           ...
20:01 Doc22            then put a color down for it
20:01 KikaRz           sokomine, ...
20:01 sokomine         well...a good way to do something on the database level would be nice, yes
20:01 KikaRz           when will someone create a map editor ? (shut up sokomine please)
20:02 Doc22            hmmmm
20:02 Doc22            you could take the map
20:02 Doc22            and put it into layers
20:02 KikaRz           Like mcedit
20:02 Doc22            then edit it in gimp
20:02 Doc22            something that inputs a .png as the map
20:02 Doc22            for the chunks
20:02 Mika_R           KikaRz why not mine it down?
20:02 KikaRz           ...
20:03 KikaRz           Mika_R, not that
20:03 KikaRz           MAKING IT FLAT
20:03 Doc22            that would require a 3rd party program for something like mcedit i think
20:03 Doc22            ohhhhhhh
20:03 KikaRz           ---|''''|___---|-||___|'''|
20:03 KikaRz           thati s not flat
20:03 KikaRz           ________________ <- That is flat
20:03 KikaRz           '-'
20:03 Doc22            you could make a mod that does this when you place a certain block
20:03 Mika_R           yes, you select a good area and start digging, eventually you're going to be on the level you want
20:05 * ruskie         did just that today for his pyramid
20:05 telek1           We just need NPCs and a worldedit style mod to do it :D
20:05 telek1           Select X Y Z endpoints, tell your NPCs to clear the area :D
20:05 KikaRz           ...
20:05 KikaRz           Mika
20:05 KikaRz           if my computer were goot
20:05 KikaRz           *good
20:06 KikaRz           i was doing that
20:06 KikaRz           i can use WorldEdit, but idk.
20:06 KikaRz           idk what to do
20:07 KikaRz           i know
20:07 KikaRz           -.-
20:07 KikaRz           but too laggy
20:08 KikaRz           celeron55, got a idea for you
20:08 KikaRz           try to make a flat world option
20:08 KikaRz           then itll generate a world with 4 nodes of height
20:08 KikaRz           |
20:08 KikaRz           |
20:08 KikaRz           |
20:09 telek1           KikaRz: there's already a mod to do that.
20:09 Mika_R           A map that would be flat about 1000 blocks each direction from the center would be nice on a server, would give possibilities to nice capitals
20:09 KikaRz           What mod?
20:09 KikaRz           Mika_r...
20:10 telek1           Look it up, it's in the mod release forum.
20:10 KikaRz           (why people are too ... UGHREUHRFWE/)RY#
20:10 ruskie           KikaRz, I believe it's called flatlands or something
20:10 ruskie           would be nice to have: mountainous, hilly, flat, lowlands, canyon options when creating a world and set what you want
20:11 rubenwardy       http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/
20:11 rubenwardy       bye all
20:11 rubenwardy       (8:09:41 PM) Mika_R: A map that would be flat about 1000 blocks each direction from the center would be nice on a server, would give possibilities to nice capitals
20:11 rubenwardy       Use world edit command //dig to make it flat
20:12 KikaRz           ...
20:12 KikaRz           no
20:12 KikaRz           Rubenwardy
20:12 KikaRz           itll make everything go done back.
20:12 KikaRz           going try to use worldedit
20:12 KikaRz           it lags my computer
20:13 KikaRz           telek1, you got steam, skype, msn , something?
20:15 Jordach          hmm, somewhat more close to a final mc pack
20:15 Jordach          (yes, my permission is FULLY granted for mt usage)
20:16 OldCoder         Jordach, ruskie, Mika_R I will try to create a German VPS before the end of the month
20:16 OldCoder         Again if anybody sees Anunakki send him to me
20:19 sokomine         hm. a world that would be flat by default - without having to edit it - would be helpful sometimes. especially for building projects
20:20 ruskie           sokomine, wouldn't a no-content world be better then?
20:20 sokomine         i think the database- or codelevel might be better suited for that than mods. mods are really slow...
20:20 KikaRz
20:21 Mika_R           sokomine, need some caves and stuff like that but the steep should be limited so there wouldn't be walls 10-20 blocks high
20:21 sokomine         not necessarily. the world i find most comftable for building is one which is flat with dirt with grass on top, dirt beneath and streets already part of the map
20:21 Mika_R           OldCoder, you busy?
20:22 * ruskie         prefers building underground in tune with the lay of the land and above ground same mostly
20:22 OldCoder         Mika_R, Pretty much but go ahead
20:22 Mika_R           ill PM
20:22 sokomine         the caves are a problem in themselves. looks bad if you import a minecraft map and half the building's griefed away by a mapgen-cave (looks like those mapgen-cave-holes on redcrabs server)
20:22 telek1           KikaRz: IRC or bust.
20:23 KikaRz           what?
20:23 ruskie           OldCoder, it shouldn't be impossible for them to disable ufw or give some sort of remote access I'd think
20:23 KikaRz           ...
20:23 telek1           KikaRz: IRC and that's it.
20:23 KikaRz           omg
20:23 sokomine         mapgen might start further away...say, at a depth of 100. i wouldn't mind it there. the additional benefit would be that mapgen might be much faster because all those hills and coasts and stuff and even trees would not have to be generated
20:23 KikaRz           Can you guys please stop blipping me?
20:24 KikaRz           I've got sound in minetest *-*
20:25 KikaRz           may i delete all mods and just keep worldedit?
20:25 sokomine         yes. any nodes from mods you had installed previously will then appear strange ("unknown block") ingame. but that doesn't matter much. just ignore them
20:26 KikaRz           sokomine, shut the hell up.
20:26 KikaRz           im tired of hearing you saying robotic things
20:26 KikaRz           thats annoying
20:26 paxcoder         if both kray's and gameboom's server are dead, then minetest is - at least for some of us - dead
20:26 Jordach          paxcoder - try redcrabs server
20:27 khonkhortisan    Robotic sentences are helpful. Robotic sentences are help and no fun. Robotic sentences are all work and no help. Robotic...
20:27 Dogzilla131      does sombody know how to forward a port in a netgar USB
20:27 paxcoder         Jordach, i have. i don't remember which one that is though
20:27 Jordach          0.4.3
20:27 paxcoder         khonkhortisan, ?
20:27 * telek1         waves and afks for turkey day.
20:27 Jordach          yeah, have a good thanksgiving
20:27 sokomine         i've forgotten how igno works :-( does anyone remember? might help kikarz and me to ignore each other in the future
20:27 khonkhortisan    - with reference to what KikiRz said about sokomine's sentences
20:27 paxcoder         Doc22, did you try dsldevice.lan or 193* to get the webui?
20:28 OldCoder         Hi
20:28 khonkhortisan    and the all work and no play screensaver I have
20:28 Doc22            try what?
20:28 Doc22            webui?
20:28 paxcoder         Doc22, dude
20:28 OldCoder         ruskie, I have messaged the head of that host
20:28 Doc22            i dont remember things as well when im concentrating on something lol
20:28 OldCoder         ruskie, But even aside from the lockout you were having troubles connecting
20:28 OldCoder         ruskie, I may need to set up a "real" VPS
20:28 OldCoder         in Europe
20:28 paxcoder         Doc22, O.O
20:28 telek1           Thanks Jordach.
20:29 Doc22            lol
20:29 khonkhortisan    Has anyone heard of codecademy? If it's any good, I might use it to teach someone else.
20:29 ruskie           OldCoder, we will see... if nothing else getting the world off of it would help
20:29 Doc22            wait you were trying to play wiht me
20:29 Doc22            right
20:29 OldCoder         ruskie, so: (1) I need to speak with Anunakki (2) I will look into a German VPS I have access to (3) If others will volunteer VPS that will be good
20:29 Doc22            and i was trying to fix it right
20:29 paxcoder         khonkhortisan, they aren't free as in beer (or freedom)
20:29 OldCoder         yes Code Academy is good
20:29 khonkhortisan    oh
20:29 OldCoder         Dogzilla131, Need to know if there is a router in the house
20:30 paxcoder         khonkhortisan, what do you want to teach that other person?
20:30 paxcoder         or rather what do you want him/her to learn?
20:30 khonkhortisan    basic coding stuff (as much as their patience will permit)
20:30 paxcoder         khonkhortisan, see coursera.org
20:30 paxcoder         they have beginner courses
20:30 paxcoder         also udacity.com
20:30 paxcoder         they have 101 CS classes
20:30 Doc22            im sorry lol
20:31 Doc22            i just have trouble remembering when i am trying to figure something out
20:31 khonkhortisan    cool
20:31 paxcoder         Doc22, you have trouble trolling. you're not very good
20:31 Doc22            srsly
20:31 Doc22            im not trolling
20:31 paxcoder         ys
20:31 Doc22            i forgot
20:32 paxcoder         did you remember?
20:32 khonkhortisan    so an experienced troller could troll people by annoying everyone by how bad of a troller they are
20:32 Doc22            no
20:32 Doc22            lol
20:32 Doc22            im not trying to troll
20:32 Doc22            i just cant remember cuz im focused on something
20:32 paxcoder         khonkhortisan, trolls can do their thing a lot of ways
20:32 paxcoder         all equally pointless and dumb
20:33 paxcoder         Doc22, you remind me of a comedy dub i once watched of enterprise (the lame one, not TOS nor TNG). "I can't hear when I'm walking".
20:33 Doc22            ughh
20:33 Doc22            if you want my conversation
20:33 Doc22            spark my memory
20:34 * paxcoder       takes a defibrillator
20:34 Doc22            :/
20:35 khonkhortisan    Thanks xyzz!
20:35 KikaRz           now
20:36 KikaRz           after cleaning of that nodes that i was wanting flat....
20:36 KikaRz           my computer dont answers.
20:36 KikaRz           (minetest.)
20:36 KikaRz           removing mods.
20:37 KikaRz           going to make...
20:37 KikaRz           a parkour map ?
20:37 KikaRz           no.
20:37 KikaRz           a thing map
20:39 khonkhortisan    They stole my picture from gravatar and didn't tell me where they got it from
20:40 KikaRz           Back :D
20:40 KikaRz           now in XChat
20:40 marktraceur      KikaRz: Clan!
20:40 marktraceur      ER
20:40 KikaRz           Clan?
20:40 KikaRz           o_o'
20:41 marktraceur      KikaRz: Gratz!
20:41 * khonkhortisan  <- Type of variable has changed to user due to reading a message
20:41 KikaRz           * khonkhortisan <- Type of variable has changed to user due to reading a message
20:41 KikaRz           like, dafuq?
20:41 khonkhortisan    you should know
20:41 khonkhortisan    * KikaRz has quit (Quit: Did you know that... if you are reading this message, you are a user?)
20:41 KikaRz           lol
20:41 * KikaRz         is so awesome, that the new users fall into my joke.
20:42 * KikaRz         is so awesome, that the new users fall into her joke.
20:42 KikaRz           fail
20:42 khonkhortisan    ^ new user
20:42 khonkhortisan    hehe
20:42 KikaRz           Nope
20:42 telek1           KikaRz is teh fail :D
20:42 KikaRz           im in IRC at 6 years ago
20:42 telek1           KikaRz: Talk to you prolly tomorrow.
20:42 khonkhortisan    than I'm newer
20:42 * telek1         reAFKs
20:42 KikaRz           ok, kisses
20:43 KikaRz           "test"
20:43 KikaRz           *test*
20:43 KikaRz           ok
20:51 Doc22            hrmmm
20:51 Doc22            if minetest.env:get_node(pos).name=="air" works
20:52 Doc22            and so does if minetest.env:get_node(pos).name=="farming:plowed"
20:52 Doc22            but not if minetest.env:get_node(pos).name=="dirt"
20:52 Doc22            or if minetest.env:get_node(pos).name=="default:dirt"
20:52 Doc22            anything wrong with my code?
20:53 Doc22            what does minetes.env:get_node(pos).name return if it is dirt
20:53 khonkhortisan    dirt_with_grass
20:53 thexyz           poor US; https://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/
20:53 KikaRz           dirt_with_grass
20:53 Doc22            yeah i tried that
20:53 KikaRz           om
20:53 KikaRz           omg
20:53 KikaRz           LOL
20:53 khonkhortisan    you need to allow both dirt and dirt_with_grass, depending on what you're doing
20:53 Doc22            if minetest.env:get_node(pos).name=="dirt_with_grass" then
20:53 Doc22            i also have that with dirt
20:54 khonkhortisan    don't even need to click the link to get the story
20:54 Doc22            lol
20:54 KikaRz           hey
20:54 KikaRz           whats water id?
20:54 Doc22            khonkortisan what is wrong with my code
20:54 Doc22            default:water_source
20:54 khonkhortisan    name = minetest.env:get_node(pos).name   if name=="dirt" or name=="dirt_with_grass" then
20:54 KikaRz           i tried default:water and water (only).
20:54 thexyz           KikaRz: default:water_source or default:water_flowing
20:54 thexyz           depends on what do you need
20:54 Doc22            ok
20:55 khonkhortisan    what is it supposed to do?
20:55 Doc22            check if a block is either dirt or grassk
20:55 Doc22            grass
20:55 khonkhortisan    yeah that should work
20:56 Doc22            hmmm
20:56 Doc22            ill try it
21:00 KikaRz           hate my computer
21:02 KikaRz           it lags a lot
21:02 KikaRz           to process a block
21:02 KikaRz           it takes 2 minutes
21:02 KikaRz           to break a block and appear in console
21:02 KikaRz           it takes 3 minutes
21:03 KikaRz           to process a command
21:03 KikaRz           it takes 6 minutes
21:03 KikaRz           hate this lag
21:03 KikaRz           No
21:03 KikaRz           Single player
21:03 Mika_R           KikaRz seems to work here at least
21:04 OldCoder
21:04 OldCoder         Attention
21:04 OldCoder         U.S. worlds are up except for 30004 Octuteam
21:04 OldCoder         Please play and report damage
21:04 OldCoder         Europe remains down until I can speak with Anunakki
21:04 OldCoder
21:06 Doc22            khonkhortisan it somehow sets off for every node type
21:08 Jordach          night all
21:08 OldCoder         Night
21:11 Mika_R           brb
21:18 KikaRz           so, when will launch 3D player mod?
21:23 Doc22            next update
21:23 Doc22            idk when that is
21:24 Doc22            khonkhortisan whenever I try the comparisan with dirt_with_grass it counts any other block also
21:24 Doc22            for instance, air
21:24 Doc22            it will return true
21:24 Doc22            but not if I leave out the dirt_with_grass comparison
21:24 Doc22            what could cause this
21:32 Doc22            ahhh
21:32 Doc22            nvm
21:33 KikaRz           '-'
21:34 Taoki            KikaRz: The code for 3D players is ready, just some scripting left to do
21:34 Taoki            I actually need help with something rioght now, if anyone knows lua and is willing
21:34 KikaRz           yea
21:35 KikaRz           its going to be a PNG?
21:35 Taoki            yeah
21:35 KikaRz           or blender? (I CANT INSTALL BLENDER)
21:35 KikaRz           Skin from Minecraft?
21:35 Taoki            Mesh is done in blender, texture is png
21:35 KikaRz           i got my skin created
21:35 Taoki            Feel free to test it on the minecraft model, it's compatible
21:35 KikaRz           :)
21:35 KikaRz           my skin is so cool
21:35 Taoki            lol
21:38 marktraceur      KikaRz: Hypothermia? :P
21:38 marktraceur      (taking things out of context: funny 100% of the time)
21:38 KikaRz           ??
21:38 KikaRz           that is?
21:38 marktraceur      KikaRz: "my skin is so cool" sounds like you may have hypothermia
21:39 KikaRz           if i was saying cold
21:39 KikaRz           that is hypothermia
21:39 KikaRz           cold, not coal
21:39 Taoki            :D
21:39 KikaRz           *cool
21:40 sokomine         taoki: that sounds great!
21:42 sokomine         what is your problem with the lua part? maybe you could just ask and hope for someone to be able to help
21:54 paxcoder         why doesn't john_minetest /join #minetest again?
21:54 paxcoder         geddit geddit?
22:15 KikaRz           People
22:15 KikaRz           are you there?
22:16 Dogzilla131      yes
22:22 KikaRz           well
22:22 KikaRz           tomorrow: 3D Skin *-*
22:22 KikaRz           well
22:22 KikaRz           People
22:22 KikaRz           marktraceur
22:23 KikaRz           does the 3D skin mod let us use the minecraft one?
22:32 OldCoder         World 30004 Octuteam is back online and healthy
22:39 Uberi            so how's everyone doing this lovely fine day?
22:41 jin_xi           hi there
22:52 OldCoder         Uberi, Hi!
22:52 Uberi            hey OldCoder
23:27 Taoki            sokomine: I got my previous problem solved. Will liik into the rest tomorrow
23:27 Taoki            *look
23:28 Taoki            I estimate that by tomorrow player animations will be complete, and the entire player patch for now
23:28 Uberi            wow
23:32 OldCoder         Muadtralk, Hi
23:53 OldCoder         IRC: Be patient in general; get to know the rules | HOME: http://minetest.net | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev