Time Nick Message 00:00 LandMine well i was running a server that was fun 00:00 OldCoder Octupus, O.K. 00:00 Kacey it was fun until he BANNED me for placing blocks that my retard brother thought exploded 00:00 LandMine but im not gonna pay for the vps anymore so it will go down in 4 days 00:01 LandMine ill release the map when it goes down 00:01 Kacey i have started making schems 00:01 LandMine cool, i like making schems 00:01 LandMine and as always 00:01 OldCoder The bank in that world is good 00:02 LandMine i was the first one to post a shcem on the forums :) 00:02 LandMine then everyone started to 00:02 NekoGloop LandMine: Nice lies. 00:02 NekoGloop Vanessa posted one long before you. 00:02 Uberi|Busy LandMine: actually, I was, I wrote the schematic exporter 00:02 Kacey we could make schems together landmine IF there is no griefing afterwards 00:02 LandMine check the forums dudes 00:03 LandMine ACDC (old user) is the first thread of schematics 00:03 Octupus Which is you 00:03 LandMine true to some extent 00:04 Muadtralk landmine could have just used the username 00:04 Kacey i am thinking of making a whitelist server 00:04 OldCoder Kacey, there are always tradeoffs 00:04 Muadtralk doesnt mean that at one point there might have been an ACDC 00:04 Muadtralk example 00:05 Muadtralk not a very good example but it gets a point through hopefully 00:06 Kacey-ubuntu my bot (new and tested) is gonna take over for a while 00:06 LandMine_ crap i disconected lol 00:07 LandMine_ anyhow as you can see this is the very first schem released 00:07 LandMine_ http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2156 00:07 LandMine_ by me :) 00:07 LandMine_ like i was typing before i d/c 00:07 LandMine_ k here is the story 00:07 LandMine_ at first i started as landmine 00:07 LandMine_ but got to notorious with it 00:07 LandMine_ so i changed to ACDC 00:08 LandMine_ but then a friend of mine was using the name ACDC since both of them had privs on ecubes server 00:08 LandMine_ so we used to go and grief together 00:08 LandMine_ so sometimes i was ACDC other times not 00:08 LandMine_ Kacey Muadtralk NekoGloop 00:08 Muadtralk I knew that 00:09 Muadtralk ive been greived enough times by you to know when it was and wasnt you who did it 00:09 Kacey-ubuntu Kacey is not available right now, sorry. 00:09 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/gaming_center.png 00:10 sokomine ah, still there, rba? i'd like to see how player look inside the carts :-) 00:10 RealBadAngel ok, i will join 00:11 LandMine_ wth? when have i griefed you Muadtralk? 00:11 LandMine_ ohh btw 00:12 Kacey ok i am back 00:12 OldCoder Kacey, wb 00:12 LandMine_ Kacey was once using my name to go and grief on servers to get ban privs 00:12 LandMine_ it was funny 00:12 Kacey what servers landmine 00:12 NekoGloop LandMine_: You have no idea how fun that is. 00:13 Kacey i enjoy unhashing passwords 00:14 sdzen maybe you know me by this name? 00:14 Kacey Kacey-ubuntu isn't evil this time around 00:14 Kacey sdzen? 00:14 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gyM7GA0q74 Welcome to my carnival! 00:14 sdzen yes? 00:14 Kacey dude i did not know that was you!! 00:14 NekoGloop Does not pay attention ^ 00:15 sdzen how many times must i explain this to people? 00:15 sdzen and I did tell this to you kacey 00:15 Kacey really? 00:15 NekoGloop sdzen: This is known as trolling. 00:15 Kacey no i seriously did not know 00:15 LandMine_ lol sdzen whats up 00:16 sdzen nothing 00:16 LandMine_ k here is another story of how cool i am 00:16 LandMine_ i once when in to sdzens server 00:16 Octupus I remember you fucked up the cloud box 00:16 LandMine_ and griefed it 00:16 LandMine_ like 3 times 00:16 LandMine_ then he set up a giant cloud blox 00:16 NekoGloop LandMine_: Yeah, once you were named "Octupus" 00:16 LandMine_ to gkeep new people in 00:16 Kacey he BANNED me for placing blocks that my brother thought exploded 00:16 LandMine_ and he had the teleporter mod installed 00:16 NekoGloop Kacey: Who the hell are you talking to/about? 00:17 Octupus NekoGloop: He was never Octupus 00:17 Kacey landmine 00:17 LandMine_ so i just had to made a teleport pad to get out hahahhaha 00:17 NekoGloop Octupus: Yeah he was. 00:17 sdzen then i found the teleporter pads 00:17 Octupus When 00:17 sdzen and destroyed them 00:17 sdzen btw 00:17 LandMine_ btw something that is funnier i made a mod give me the mese to make those teleporter pads hahaha 00:17 sdzen yes Usuarizo did yes? 00:17 LandMine_ no it was some other person 00:18 LandMine_ i dont recall the name 00:18 sdzen USA? 00:18 sdzen ray8888? 00:18 sdzen Octupus? 00:18 LandMine_ he had a store inside the cloud 00:18 NekoGloop Tobias? 00:18 LandMine_ trading store 00:18 Octupus I remember him 00:18 LandMine_ i said i had nothing to trade 00:18 sdzen Drherbertwest? 00:18 LandMine_ but if i could have some mese 00:18 LandMine_ so he gave it to me 00:18 LandMine_ lol 00:18 sdzen xxthexxDeadxxManxx 00:18 Octupus Hi Kaceybot 00:19 NekoGloop TheNoobiestGriefer 00:19 NekoGloop Also known as landmine. 00:19 Kaceybot i am going afk for a while so my bot (Kacey-ubuntu) is taking over 00:19 LandMine_ ok 00:19 sdzen now now landmine is rather good 00:19 Octupus K 00:19 NekoGloop LandMine_: At least i dont have to hack to grief. 00:19 LandMine_ thats casue you cant hack 00:19 sdzen he came up with some interesting ways to greive 00:20 NekoGloop I could if i wanted to. 00:20 NekoGloop I just have no need to. 00:20 OldCoder NekoGloop, It would not be orderly 00:20 NekoGloop OldCoder: Shut up already. 00:20 sdzen I still wish that the war on keegan had not been called off 00:20 OldCoder NekoGloop, as you wish, kitty 00:20 sdzen i was so close to a massive strike on him 00:21 Kacey k back 00:21 LandMine_ wait 00:21 LandMine_ im sorry Kacey i totally got things twisted lol 00:22 LandMine_ it wasnt you who was using my name 00:22 LandMine_ it was Keegan lol 00:22 LandMine_ i remember now 00:22 telek Say has anyone looked into attaching items onto either PC or NPC models? 00:22 Kacey good cuz i never met you in game until idk when actually 00:22 NekoGloop LandMine_: Go back to playing with rubber dinosaurs like the rest of the 8 year olds. 00:22 sdzen yes 00:23 sdzen they have telek 00:23 telek sdzen: There a forum post on it, or is it mostly IRC chat? 00:23 sdzen Pm me 00:23 LandMine_ NekoGloop i would understand why you would hate on me, i mean shit i am the best griefer and the best builder on all minetest 00:23 LandMine_ look at my sexy pixal art 00:24 LandMine_ http://gyazo.com/dc5944e4749ae0f88a979f98ff8bfe84 00:24 NekoGloop You are most certainly not. 00:24 Kacey but how come you aren't in ebm? 00:24 NekoGloop And i am most certainly not falling for your virus trap. 00:24 Kacey elite builders of minetest 00:24 Kacey i was in it but things turned sour with the others soooo ya 00:24 LandMine_ a virus trap? gosh you really are dumb lol 00:24 NekoGloop Kacey: Probably because he breaks more than he builds. 00:24 Octupus THAT IS THE BEST POKEMON EVER 00:25 LandMine_ anyhow here is a nother screen shot 00:25 LandMine_ http://gyazo.com/405bb5b0172f5def2eea0e2d36d2617e 00:25 LandMine_ this one is a charmander 00:25 Kacey [17:25:05] Kacey: Probably because he breaks more than he builds. nice 00:25 Octupus Boss charmander 00:26 LandMine_ ebm? thats some gay stuff right there 00:26 LandMine_ im better than everyone in that group put otgether 00:26 Kacey i made a crab from pixel art 00:26 Kacey no u arent landmine 00:26 LandMine_ yup....but i know 2 guys who are awesome 00:26 Kacey we once built a 500 x 500 city in 3 hours 00:26 LandMine_ thetinydon and FNG 00:26 LandMine_ those dudes are boss 00:26 NekoGloop LandMine_: You can only build two things: lava and saplings. 00:27 LandMine_ or was it FHG 00:27 LandMine_ i think it was FHG 00:27 Octupus LandMine_: I thought u were gonna say me :P 00:27 Octupus Joke :) 00:27 LandMine_ lol 00:27 Kacey i am more of a planner than a builder 00:28 LandMine_ and this here is my charmeleon 00:28 LandMine_ http://gyazo.com/24e31812eb7c9e1077a460d322018340 00:28 LandMine_ like the rest pretty boss :) 00:28 Octupus Yep 00:28 Octupus M 00:28 Octupus Those are my favorite pokemons 00:29 Octupus Including the squirrel 00:29 tsquar3d So, is there any mapping software out there that can be used with minetest like c10t? 00:29 Octupus *squirtle ad blastoff 00:29 Octupus *blastoid 00:29 Kacey hmmmmm 00:29 LandMine_ you mean blastoise 00:29 LandMine_ lol 00:29 Octupus Yes :) 00:29 LandMine_ yeah he looks cool too 00:29 LandMine_ but i jsut made those 3 and got bored 00:30 Kacey ok got it 00:30 LandMine_ so Kacey who are in this EBM? 00:30 Kacey idk anymore i got kicked out a while back 00:31 Kacey i want to make a schem anyone with me in that? 00:32 LandMine_ well if mauvebic isnt in it, they must suck 00:33 LandMine_ i once found 2 dudes/girls that called them selfs the Griefing Squad 00:33 LandMine_ i was like lol 00:33 LandMine_ i think Kacey was in there 00:34 Kacey i dont grief anymore 00:34 Kacey i used to back when i was playin 0.3.1 00:34 Octupus I do once in a while 00:35 LandMine_ ohhh lol i remember once on a server not sure which one htough kacey had /give privs 00:35 LandMine_ and gave himself tons of iron ingots 00:35 LandMine_ like 500 00:35 LandMine_ and put them in a open chest 00:35 LandMine_ i found them and took them 00:35 LandMine_ and used them to grief lol 00:35 Kacey menches serer and that was aggie thatdid that 00:35 LandMine_ ohh lol yeah menches server 00:35 Kacey i gave myself a crap ton of cloud 00:36 LandMine_ it was like 4000 ingots 00:36 LandMine_ cause i made tons of blocks to trap people lol 00:36 Kacey anyone want to make a schem with me? 00:37 LandMine_ what are you on? 00:37 LandMine_ server? or your pc 00:37 Kacey pc but i am running a server 00:38 LandMine_ i see 00:38 Kacey ya 00:40 LandMine_ bulletrulz is my new best friend NekoGloop so get off my balls or you will have to see yourslef with him 00:40 NekoGloop LandMine_: Unlike you, i actually play the game instead of ruining it for others. 00:41 LandMine_ i thought you said you didnt play mt hhahahaahha 00:41 bulletrulz i am working with landmine to try to make him a better person for the communnity 00:41 NekoGloop bulletrulz: gl hf 00:41 NekoGloop LandMine_: I said i dont play on a server. 00:42 NekoGloop Mainly because of faggots like yourself. 00:42 LandMine_ im not gay though...why call me a fagg? 00:42 NekoGloop Because you are? 00:42 LandMine_ even if i was i could beat the shit out of you :) 00:42 NekoGloop No you couldnt 00:43 LandMine_ yup 00:43 NekoGloop Because you're just a frail little child, sitting in front of a computer with no friends, annoying others because you think they cant do anything to you. 00:44 LandMine_ i actually have a cold, and have school tommorow lol i already got wasted yesterday and friday 00:44 LandMine_ cause unlike you i wasnt here all day those 2 days lol 00:45 OldCoder Cold is persisting? 00:45 OldCoder It can take a couple of weeks 00:45 NekoGloop Unlike you, I have a heart. And morals. 00:45 OldCoder NekoGloop, What are your morals? 00:45 OldCoder Speak of them 00:45 OldCoder I'm curious 00:45 NekoGloop OldCoder: Shut up already. 00:45 OldCoder NekoGloop, what's wrong? 00:45 NekoGloop OldCoder: You're talking to it. 00:46 OldCoder I'm a bit tired already so bear with me 00:46 OldCoder You are speaking as well 00:46 OldCoder Did you notice that? 00:46 LandMine_ lol yeah OldCoder it sucks, but i dont have my nose runnin like before 00:46 LandMine_ i have eaten tons of oranges but doesnt seem to work 00:47 OldCoder NekoGloop, you've initiated most of the communication. LandMine_ Vitamin C works mostly to reduce the odds initially. So does zinc. There are no cures. 00:47 NekoGloop LandMine_: Karma. That's all. 00:47 OldCoder Colds are inevitable 00:47 telek NekoGloop and LandMine_: Have you considered hanging out on EFNet or DalNet or somewhere if you wanna talk smack? 00:47 OldCoder telek, That might not serve the purpose 00:47 OldCoder They are Chaos and Order. One of them has admitted this. 00:47 telek Lol. 00:48 LandMine_ it was NekoGloop btw 00:48 OldCoder Yes 00:48 OldCoder NekoGloop, what are your goals? 00:48 OldCoder NekoGloop, what shall it be? 00:48 OldCoder 00:48 NekoGloop It shall be you shutting up 00:48 OldCoder Why is that important? 00:49 NekoGloop Because I've had enough of you? 00:49 OldCoder Though I will shortly as my breathing is shifting 00:49 OldCoder It happens at this time 00:49 OldCoder NekoGloop, that is not much of a reason 00:49 NekoGloop Yes it is 00:49 OldCoder Order has spoken 00:49 OldCoder But Order is rigid 00:49 OldCoder And therefore fragile 00:49 OldCoder You know this is true 00:49 telek Hey, is it possible to position objects(nodes?) at the intersection of voxels, instead of 'in' them? 00:49 OldCoder Good question 00:50 OldCoder And far more on-topic 00:50 telek IE for centering a table or chairs and such? 00:50 telek I'm mostly working off Dwarf Fortress and trying to 'shoehorn' equivalents into minetest, as far as making maps work. 00:50 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgdm92aNWg&feature=related 00:51 OldCoder We are nearly done rebuilding 30001 00:51 telek Near as I can figure a square in DF would need to be a 2x2 in Minetest (minimum to have a 'stair' going up/down, as well as centering tables, chairs etc to allow movement through an 'occupied' square. 00:51 OldCoder it has some interesting places 00:51 OldCoder Would anybody like to build there? 00:51 OldCoder Early takers may get op 00:52 NekoGloop Since this community serves no purpose, would you all like me to pull what cornernote did? 00:53 LandMine_ no one would care trust me 00:53 NekoGloop LandMine_: You are not the center of the universe. 00:55 OldCoder NekoGloop, No. We would not like that at all. 00:55 LandMine_ of course i am 00:55 LandMine_ i am THE SHIT! 00:56 OldCoder NekoGloop, "Shut Up" or not. Do you recall what I said to you in PM a few weeks ago? 00:56 NekoGloop You are shit, I can assure you of that. 00:56 OldCoder NekoGloop, I'll need to mute you 00:56 OldCoder And I don't want you to leave 00:56 OldCoder You are needed 00:56 NekoGloop You perfectly do 00:56 OldCoder Who what now? 00:56 NekoGloop You do want me to leave. 00:56 OldCoder No 00:56 NekoGloop You just selfishly want my work to stay. 00:56 OldCoder I came to you in PM recently when I realized something 00:57 OldCoder Nope 00:57 NekoGloop Like the rest of the humans. 00:57 OldCoder You are half human 00:57 OldCoder Don't knock it 00:57 OldCoder It's an odd situation. Complicated. 00:57 telek OldCoder: You're wrong. 00:57 OldCoder Oh? 00:57 OldCoder telek, go on 00:57 telek NekoGloop is half cat and half slime :D 00:57 OldCoder telek, Why was that remark necessary? 00:57 OldCoder And he is no such thing 00:57 NekoGloop gloop == slime 00:57 Octupus Na true 00:57 OldCoder Ah! 00:57 telek :) 00:58 OldCoder I stand corrected 00:58 OldCoder And I apologize! 00:58 NekoGloop yet, still, it doesnt matter to any of you what i do. 00:58 OldCoder Rubbish 00:58 telek Coincidentally having been mucking through the entire backlog of mods since March, I don't think anyone involved with Minetest is expendable. 00:58 NekoGloop I could completely wipe out all evidence of my mods. 00:58 OldCoder That's a lot of mods 00:59 OldCoder NekoGloop, yep 00:59 OldCoder That would be bad 00:59 OldCoder And remember 00:59 OldCoder cornernote gave his back 00:59 NekoGloop And none of you would care. 00:59 * OldCoder sighs 00:59 OldCoder Bullsh*t 00:59 OldCoder Order is Stasis. Inflexible. Fragile. 00:59 NekoGloop The truth can often be shitty. 00:59 OldCoder It can break. 00:59 OldCoder Yes. 01:00 OldCoder You need a bit of Chaos in you. 01:00 telek NekoGloop: crafting viewer. 01:00 LandMine_ Thats for accepting no one would care if you leave NekoGloop 01:00 LandMine_ GloopOres? what a useless piece of mod 01:01 telek I would say that right there out of all your mods makes you an indispensable part of the community. 01:01 NekoGloop All my mods are equally useless. 01:01 OldCoder Or valuable 01:01 NekoGloop telek: I didnt make the craft guide. 01:01 telek D'oh 01:01 telek That was c'ns doing. 01:02 NekoGloop so lets see, edit out the first post of each mod... 01:03 OldCoder NekoGloop, you could; but why? 01:03 NekoGloop To prove the point that noone gives a shit? 01:03 telek NekoGloop: Okay, cactus mod. Western's style gate mod. 01:03 OldCoder NekoGloop, you are sort of talking at random 01:03 OldCoder People do wish the mods 01:04 telek Now we just need a six shooter mod+ 3d avatars and we'll have goldrush-test :D 01:05 LandMine_ NekoGloop starts to mental masturbate when he feels presured or looses control of the situation he think he had 01:05 LandMine_ :) 01:05 LandMine_ he will continue saying lots of nonsense 01:05 LandMine_ and like the last tiem he will say it was a bot talking 01:05 LandMine_ hehehe 01:05 LandMine_ anyhow im just gonna stop tlking to him :) 01:05 OldCoder LandMine_, now the balance has shifted to you. What you say is true. Let him find his own way. 01:05 OldCoder That is best 01:06 OldCoder He is more fragile than you 01:06 OldCoder He doesn't need to be 01:06 OldCoder NekoGloop, what is it that you need? 01:06 OldCoder And don't bother 01:06 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/search.php?action=show_user_topics&user_id=2600 01:06 * OldCoder shrugs 01:06 OldCoder I am not going to click that 01:07 NekoGloop why not? it shows the result of your carelessness. 01:07 OldCoder My carelessness? 01:07 OldCoder I am far from perfect 01:08 OldCoder But I have done what I can 01:08 OldCoder And my breathing is shifted now 01:08 OldCoder You wouldn't understand 01:08 OldCoder Another minute or so I'll be conscious 01:08 OldCoder No more I feel 01:08 OldCoder Still it's been real 01:08 OldCoder Back in about 15 minutes I hope 01:08 * OldCoder is a bit unwell 01:09 telek OldCoder: Hope ya feel better. 01:10 NekoGloop What is the purpose of being here if there is no support from the community, but only hatred? 01:12 telek NekoGloop: Having been through a similiar situation in the text-based gaming days: if you're unhappy with the community then your best bet is to just stop complaining and move to a community where you feel appreciated. 01:14 NekoGloop Fine then. 01:14 LandMine_ yeah go to the barbie community or something pickle kisser 01:14 NekoGloop Have fun with using my mods when they get out of date. 01:15 NekoGloop And have fun showing them to new players. 01:16 LandMine_ babyface1031 nekogloop has left the community he was saying it was your fault 01:16 LandMine_ what did you do to him? 01:17 babyface1031 i know it wasnt me so i know you are just trying to start stuff 01:18 LandMine_ dude check the logs, he said alot of awefull stuff as well 01:19 Octupus Hi 01:19 babyface1031 umm well i dont hardly talk on here so i know its not true 01:20 babyface1031 adn second i am not a dude 01:20 babyface1031 hi Octupus 01:20 Octupus :) 01:22 RealBadAngel oke doke, all textures ready, its finished: http://realbadangel.pl/t_machine.png 01:23 LandMine_ uuuuuu babyface1031 wassup girl 01:23 LandMine_ let me get that numba 01:23 LandMine_ hahahahahahaha 01:24 babyface1031 haha i dont think so first you wanted to start drama between me and NekoGloop and now that you know i am a woman you want me number 01:24 babyface1031 wow you make me laugh 01:26 LandMine_ i was j/k i know your not a women...you could have fooled everyone else 01:26 LandMine_ and you are the reason he left like i siad see the logs 01:28 LandMine_ i was j/k i know your not a women...you could have fooled everyone else 01:28 LandMine_ and you are the reason he left like i siad see the logs 01:29 babyface1031_ um you can fool everyone with this tough guy act but i am a woman i this is the last thing i am saying to you so bye 01:30 LandMine_ uuuu a lady with an attitude i like it :3 01:30 LandMine_ add me on facebook hot stuff babyface1031_ ahahahahahaha 01:31 RealBadAngel somebody will shut this moron please? 01:31 RealBadAngel how long we do have to listen to this bullshits? 01:31 LandMine_ look who is back 01:31 NekoGloop LandMine_: stop harrasing babyface. 01:31 Octupus LandMine_:can u please leave babyface alone she is my friend 01:31 Kacey hello 01:32 LandMine_ K Octupus just cause YOU asked me 01:32 Octupus thank you :) 01:32 Kacey what happened? 01:33 RealBadAngel this channel has to be properly moderated 01:33 LandMine_ tell it to your face RealBadAngel 01:33 Kacey what happened with landmine 01:33 LandMine_ nothing kacey lol 01:34 RealBadAngel LandMine_, youre lucky you livin so far from me. 01:34 Kacey well what did octu ask u to do 01:34 LandMine_ i bet i am fat boy.......and Kacey nothing babyface claimed to be a girl 01:34 LandMine_ so i just started making fun 01:35 Kacey wow 01:35 LandMine_ well it wasnt making fun 01:35 Kacey octu may i have give on 30004? 01:35 LandMine_ i just said can i hve your number heheh 01:35 babyface1031 i am a woman so whatever 01:36 LandMine_ that seemed to get RealBadAngel a little pissed 01:36 RealBadAngel stick your fun deep into your ass and get outta here 01:36 Octupus LandMine-:Please can u stop he is a very good friend of mine 01:36 Octupus *she 01:36 babyface1031 SHE 01:36 LandMine_ hahahahahahah 01:36 LandMine_ im not saying anything to him/her anymore 01:36 babyface1031 GOOD 01:36 Kacey IM A GUY!!!!!! making sure everyone knew 01:36 LandMine_ lol Kacey 01:36 Octupus LandMine_:im am not kidding please stop 01:37 LandMine_ I did Octupus chill 01:37 Octupus ok thank you 01:38 LandMine_ sooo....RealBadAngel tell me what you would do if i was infront of you? 01:39 Kacey high five u...in the face...with a chevy...going fast 01:40 LandMine_ lol...i dont think so 01:40 Kacey i do 01:41 LandMine_ nah....RealBadAngel doesnt have the balls 01:41 Kacey i have the balls and then some 01:41 LandMine_ but i have no isues with you Kacey 01:41 LandMine_ or do we 01:41 Kacey i have issues wit u 01:42 LandMine_ elaborate 01:42 Kacey banning me for wanting to make a 3d map 01:42 Kacey using blocks that my brother thought exploded 01:44 Muadtralk does anyone know how to use world specific mods? i seem to have forgotten how to use them 01:44 Kacey nope 01:44 LandMine_ worldedit? 01:44 Muadtralk ? 01:45 Muadtralk isolating certain mods to certain worlds 01:45 LandMine_ ohhh no i have no idea 01:45 Kacey hmmmmmmmm make a mods folder inside of the world folder perhaps? 01:46 Muadtralk yes that is how it should work 01:46 Muadtralk but it doesnt appear to work that way anymore 01:46 Kacey and then perhaps edit the modpath setting to that folder for only that world 01:46 Kacey idk ask celeron55 01:47 Muadtralk thats why i asked the entire channel 01:47 Kacey aah ok 01:47 LandMine_ well the way oldcoder did it for me was 01:47 LandMine_ he made a new game mode 01:47 LandMine_ and i put the mods in that gamemode 01:47 LandMine_ and made the map run that gamemode 01:47 ecube LandMine_: I love you too 01:48 LandMine_ ecube i love you more than you love me 01:48 Octupus hi ecube 01:48 Kacey that was random 01:48 ecube hi 01:48 Muadtralk ahhhhh 01:48 Muadtralk there used to be a way to do this more efficently 01:48 Muadtralk obviously that way is now outdated 01:49 LandMine_ maybe 01:49 Muadtralk no there was 01:49 Muadtralk it was a very nice feature too 01:49 LandMine_ no i meant maybe it was outdated 01:50 Kaceybot bot taking control for a while 01:51 LandMine_ Kaceybot what are your funtions? 01:51 Kaceybot Simply to watch the channel for anybody that needs Kacey 01:51 Kaceybot If anyone needs him, I alert him 01:52 LandMine_ aiiight 01:52 Kacey ok im back 01:54 LandMine_ yay 01:54 Kacey Kaceybot wasnt always perfect 01:54 Kacey infact the first time around (he was Kacey-ubuntu) he was EVIL!!!! 01:54 LandMine_ OMG! 01:55 Kacey ya 01:55 LandMine_ how so? 01:56 Kacey he got off of my vm and took over my computer for a while completely 01:57 LandMine_ seems legit 01:57 Kacey ask oldcoder he witnessed it through irc 01:57 LandMine_ i never said it wasnt true 01:57 LandMine_ anyhting can happen 01:58 Kacey exept me making kacey-ubuntu again 01:58 LandMine_ i think lots of stuff can happen like babyface1031 giving me that numba :) 01:58 Octupus LandMine_:STOP 01:58 Octupus Im Not Kiding 01:59 Kacey :S 01:59 LandMine_ gosh 02:00 Kacey Doc22 wb 02:00 Doc22 Hey 02:00 Doc22 im joining 02:00 Doc22 come on in 02:01 Doc22 30004 02:01 Octupus :P 02:01 Kacey i cant right now but can you work on the wire? 02:01 Doc22 sure 02:01 Kacey k thanks 02:01 Doc22 im probably going to move it a bit 02:01 Kacey i put it on the ceiling 02:02 Doc22 octupus you wanna play 02:02 Doc22 yeah i know 02:02 Octupus im playing mc 02:02 Doc22 i might want to change it a little 02:02 Kacey i put it on the other side 02:02 Doc22 YOU TRAITER 02:02 Doc22 (breathes heavily) 02:02 Doc22 IM NEVER PLAYING WITH YOU AGAIN 02:02 LandMine_ uuuuuuuu Octupus what server do you play on? 02:02 LandMine_ i have MC too :) 02:02 Kacey as long as it reaches the furnaces and stuff, im happy 02:02 Doc22 D: 02:03 Doc22 ok 02:03 Doc22 but i really like having my own network of power lol 02:03 Doc22 unless im supplying 02:03 Doc22 i like to be a supplier 02:03 Octupus LandMine_,mine is cracked 02:03 Doc22 and i could make like telephone poles 02:03 Doc22 that would be cool 02:03 Kacey well it is your own but those coal generators aren't very good 02:03 LandMine_ buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu\ 02:04 Octupus its yours cracked? 02:04 Doc22 uggggghhhhhhhh 02:04 Doc22 my backk 02:04 Doc22 i just went on a hike 02:04 Doc22 today and yesterday 02:04 Octupus LandMine_,is yours cracked or legit 02:04 Doc22 and i drank "purified" water from a stream, and now I have explosive diharrea 02:04 Doc22 -_- 02:04 Kacey i need to crack mc one of these days 02:05 Doc22 D: 02:05 Doc22 you too? 02:05 Doc22 a traiter? 02:05 Doc22 :'( 02:05 LandMine_ i bought it like 3 weeks ag Octupus 02:05 Kacey i play it at points..... 02:05 LandMine_ but before that i was using a cracked one 02:05 Doc22 I AM DESTROYING THE TUNNEL 02:05 Octupus O 02:05 Doc22 of a... TRAITER 02:05 Kacey i only play when my mt servers are down 02:05 Doc22 im jokin 02:05 Doc22 lol 02:07 Octupus LandMine_,do u still have the cracked 1 02:08 LandMine_ no....i uninstalled it and installed the bought one 02:08 Octupus can u play cracked server with the legit 1 02:08 Kacey i need a cracked one 02:08 LandMine_ not sure 02:09 LandMine_ but i dont wanna risk it lol 02:09 Octupus lolz 02:09 Octupus do u remember any cracked server ips 02:10 LandMine_ i was never able to play on any servers, i only played singleplayer 02:10 LandMine_ in servers i couldnt even mov 02:10 LandMine_ move 02:10 Octupus because u didnt log in 02:12 LandMine_ well i didnt know back then.......i dont know why i bought it tbh i dont even play it that much heheh 02:12 Octupus lolz 02:12 Octupus i wud love for you to play mc with me 02:12 Muadtralk iremember a cracked server ip 02:12 Muadtralk i wrote one down 02:13 Octupus may i have it pwease :) 02:14 Muadtralk ufg.me 02:14 Muadtralk you have to register though 02:14 Octupus ok 02:15 Kacey omg i am bored 02:15 Octupus i want to play MC 02:15 Octupus but the server i play now is boring 02:17 Kacey i need a cracked versio 02:17 Kacey version 02:18 LandMine_ teher eyo ugo 02:18 LandMine_ http://www.minecraftinstall.net/ 02:18 Kacey k ill download later 02:20 Kacey wow unresponsiveness 02:23 Octupus i used mineshfater 02:25 Octupus Hi LandMine,did u disconnect 02:27 LandMine yeah 07:31 OldCoder 11:30pm I fell asleep after all and I have woken up somewhat early. The day before I should have. 07:31 OldCoder anunakki, are you there? 07:31 anunakki yes 07:32 OldCoder anunakki, I am pleased to see you. May we speak more often; perhaps at least once a week? 07:32 OldCoder It depends on your schedule of course 07:32 anunakki yes, that sounds reasonable to me 07:32 OldCoder But I wish to keep my promise related to the BSD distro 07:32 OldCoder And to see if I may be useful 07:42 anunakki yea man, i've beenw orking on quite a bit 07:42 anunakki i just started up a project with a few buddies 07:42 anunakki going well 07:42 anunakki i'd like to port over some minetest stuff over there and get them into it a bit more 07:42 anunakki people dislike any kindo f minecraft game at first glance because they think its gonna cost them $30 07:42 anunakki like minecraft 07:42 anunakki lol 07:45 OldCoder anunakki, MT is not $30 07:45 anunakki i know 07:45 OldCoder anunakki, MT is less expensive and therefore desirable 07:45 anunakki i explain its free open source 07:45 OldCoder And? 07:46 anunakki i just need to recruit them my own way, because they'll come around 07:46 anunakki they just think its probably going to be boring 07:46 anunakki and i've been thinking about making my own mod 07:46 anunakki for something like 4walls in minecraft 07:46 anunakki where users can like 'battle' eachother 07:47 OldCoder Sure 07:47 OldCoder It is not boring; especially when you take the community into account 07:48 anunakki yea i agree 07:53 OldCoder U.S. worlds are going down for backups 07:56 anunakki my only problem with this 07:56 anunakki is i'm new to modifying this code 07:57 anunakki so i dont even know where to start 07:57 anunakki but i'm figuring it out 07:59 OldCoder What type of code? 08:10 OldCoder $P default minetest 30000 08:10 OldCoder $P alttuxworld tuxworld 30001 08:10 OldCoder $P skyblock same 30002 08:10 OldCoder Server start code is getting quite simple 08:10 OldCoder 09:45 RealBadAngel hi Taoki, whats up? 09:45 Taoki hi 09:46 Taoki not much. Got a new wireless keyboard and mouse and setting them up 09:47 RealBadAngel ive made textures for jin_xi's tertis machine 09:47 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/t_machine.png 09:50 Calinou Taoki: lol seriously... 09:50 Calinou wireless mice and keyboards are stupid 09:50 Calinou we have X server latency already 09:50 Calinou don't set up more latency by using wireless mouse/keyboard 09:50 Taoki I likr them :) 09:50 Calinou RealBadAngel: nice debian rusty you have there :P 09:50 Taoki haha nice screenshot 09:51 * Taoki doesn't understand why thy dont work through the same nano-receiver as my headphones 09:51 Calinou HD textures in a 16px world, looks weird 09:51 RealBadAngel hehehe 09:51 Calinou also yeah, have fun setting them up on linux 09:51 Calinou bloatsuse won't be any better than ubuntu for that 09:51 Taoki actually they work out of the box nicely 09:51 Calinou 8D 09:51 Calinou yeah, non-free firmware ftw 09:52 Calinou now install the official debian iso 09:52 RealBadAngel Calinou, regarding the textures for PilzAdam's farming, theyre not just copies from minecraft 09:52 Calinou they are 09:52 Calinou http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_2/minecraft.jar 09:52 Calinou check by yourself 09:52 Calinou open it, open terrain.png 09:52 RealBadAngel a) base were taken from abandoned texture pack 09:52 Calinou you'll see the 8 wheat stages 09:52 Calinou abandoned texture pack is illegal too then 09:52 RealBadAngel b) were reworked 09:52 Calinou thanks for info 09:52 Calinou "reworked" > still based on MC textures 09:52 RealBadAngel based, yes 09:53 RealBadAngel but theyre not the same 09:54 RealBadAngel anyway i will redo them from scratch 09:54 RealBadAngel just wanted to explain 09:54 Calinou you're not allowed to distribute modified or unmodified copies of minecraft code or ar 09:54 Calinou art* 09:55 RealBadAngel http://www.planetminecraft.com/texture_pack/hobbss-space-adventure-pack-wip/ 09:55 Taoki Yeah... non-free software FTW :P 09:55 RealBadAngel i took them from here 09:55 Taoki Though eh, mc is nice and its understandable 09:56 RealBadAngel i thought if its abandoned its safe to take it 09:56 Calinou mc is slow, and is for "story fanboys", cheaters 09:56 Calinou RealBadAngel: it is not 09:56 Calinou not sure if you can use something? don't use it 09:56 RealBadAngel but if it can raise questions or problems i will redo them just 09:57 Calinou redo wheat textures from scratch, or use wheat textures under a free license 09:57 RealBadAngel yeah 09:57 Calinou very few mc packs are under a free license since the vast majority of the texture pack authors are ignorant 09:57 Calinou (cc by-nc-nd does not apply here) 09:59 RealBadAngel http://www.curse.com/texture-packs/minecraft/repeticraft 09:59 Calinou yey curse.com 09:59 RealBadAngel this one has wtfpl 09:59 Calinou yey ad 09:59 Calinou ads* 09:59 Calinou lol seriously... 09:59 Calinou anyway, it's not like it's of professional quality 09:59 OldCoder Calinou, RealBadAngel Hi 09:59 Calinou trees look like dirt 10:00 RealBadAngel heheh, indeed, shitty as hell 10:00 RealBadAngel hi OldCoder 10:01 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Have you discussed stairsplus changes with Calinou? 10:02 whirm close 10:02 OldCoder ? 10:02 OldCoder Oh 10:02 RealBadAngel some time ago, he has a different point of view :) 10:02 OldCoder Ah 10:03 OldCoder So the version I'm using will remain a fork for now 10:03 RealBadAngel im close to finish my version of Creative, so we will look how both versions behave for it 10:05 OldCoder RealBadAngel, let me know when to update RBAHaven 10:05 RealBadAngel Calinou, and that was one and only TP i could find under wtfpl :) 10:05 Calinou yey, something stallman-ish just happened to me 10:05 Calinou RealBadAngel: what stairs+ changes? when did you ask? 10:06 Calinou was it about moddability? 10:06 RealBadAngel it was about registering from outside 10:06 RealBadAngel with ":" 10:06 RealBadAngel so all the stairs etc will remain with "stairsplus" names for them 10:09 RealBadAngel this way makes some order in creative 10:09 RealBadAngel all the stairs are in one place 10:14 Calinou would break compatibility with previous versions unless I add ~300 aliases 10:14 Calinou i guess 10:15 RealBadAngel why? 10:15 RealBadAngel that changes nothin 10:15 RealBadAngel it just allows other mods to register own stairs 10:16 RealBadAngel it doesnt change your namespace 10:18 Calinou i'll try then 10:18 Calinou you can do it already i think 10:18 Calinou just add : to modname 10:18 Calinou stairsplus becomes :stairsplus 10:19 RealBadAngel i did, such version works on all OldCoder's servers 10:19 RealBadAngel since a month or something like that 10:20 RealBadAngel so its tested well enough i think :) 10:21 OldCoder Indeed 10:21 OldCoder So there may be a merge after all. This is good. 10:21 RealBadAngel Calinou, and other your mods have no problems with it :) 10:22 RealBadAngel by now Technic and Snow mod uses this way, so we do have marble, granite, obisdian and ice stairs, slabs, etc 10:23 RealBadAngel and all is registered with "stairsplus:" domain 10:25 RealBadAngel so when i will select filtering by modname in Creative, i can have all stairsplus stuff 10:26 RealBadAngel when i choose "technic" or "snow" mod i wont be seeing extra stairs 10:27 RealBadAngel i think about adding hardcoded filters (maybe a list with names) for commonly used mods 10:27 OldCoder Not bad 10:28 RealBadAngel so user can just click on modname to select its items set 10:29 RealBadAngel by now, when i do have 55 pages in creative, and technic at the very end 10:29 OldCoder On errand. Back in a few minuntes. Yes. 10:29 RealBadAngel its the pain in the ass to get there 10:29 OldCoder *minutes 12:51 Octupus Hola 12:52 OldCoder Que tal 12:53 Octupus Nada 12:59 OldCoder Very well 13:05 ruskie *yawn* 13:05 ruskie I hate mondays 13:05 Octupus :) 13:06 ruskie come into work... router doesn't bootup... scramble to setup a backup one and then spend most of the day trying to sort out some of the more presing business critical things so that people can work more or less normally with it 13:06 ruskie less than an hour and off to home 13:11 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/arcade_machine.png 13:12 ruskie hehe 13:13 RealBadAngel a few changes to the code so it will be deployable by placing one block and it will be fully functional 13:14 RealBadAngel fixed already crashes in the jin_xi's code 13:14 RealBadAngel and one can actually play tetris on the machine :) 13:14 RealBadAngel need to make it compatible with multiplayer 13:16 ruskie what's the status of technice MV tools? 13:16 RealBadAngel need to work some more on tubes before they will be released 13:16 RealBadAngel propably today 13:17 RealBadAngel worst case tommorow 13:30 Octupus Hi kitty 13:31 NekoGloop ... 13:36 RealBadAngel https://github.com/obneq/tetris 13:36 NekoGloop Good for you. 13:37 RealBadAngel uploaded there textures for machine and fixed crash when dropping the tile 13:37 NekoGloop Now make a mesecons version. 13:38 RealBadAngel first it has to be made deployable 13:38 RealBadAngel and multiplayer aware 13:39 RealBadAngel i will do that when i got back later today 13:46 Octupus i might becme an admin on a MC serer :) 13:47 NekoGloop Dont care. There's #minecraft for that. Go away. 13:47 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hey 13:48 OldCoder Hope your day is starting well 13:49 RBA_afk bbl 14:16 Octupus hi babyface1031_ 14:16 babyface1031_ hi Octupus 14:17 OdnetninI OdlCoder, I can't connect to any of your servers 14:17 babyface1031_ i belive he is backing up 14:17 OdnetninI mmmm 14:17 babyface1031_ atleast 30004 14:20 OldCoder babyface1031_, OdnetninI yes 14:20 OldCoder The data must be safe 14:24 OldCoder The worlds are back up 14:24 OldCoder Try them out please 14:25 OldCoder Harbor is new and interesting 14:25 OldCoder I'd like remarks regarding nonfunctioning doors 14:25 Octupus all my shit designer 14:44 Octupus hi babyface1031 14:44 babyface1031 hi Octupus 14:49 OdnetninI when connecting to a server 14:49 OdnetninI JPEG FATAL ERROR: Wrong JPEG library version: library is 80, caller expects 62 14:49 ruskie yeah 14:49 ruskie it want's version 6.2 while you have 8 14:50 OdnetninI how i can deupdate? 14:51 OdnetninI how can i solve 14:51 OdnetninI ? 14:52 OdnetninI sudo apt-get install libjpeg62-dev 14:53 OdnetninI ? 14:54 OdnetninI Are anyone here? 15:04 OldCoder cosarara97, Hi 15:12 Octupus Hello 15:24 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 15:25 OldCoder PilzAdam, hello 15:30 Octupus Hi PilzAdam 15:30 ruskie hmm I wonder who went through my place on europe 15:30 ruskie left all the doors open 15:34 ruskie http://codemages.net/screenshot_4114731034.png <-- my latest tower from far away 15:38 ruskie http://codemages.net/screenshot_4114972618.png <-- and at night 15:39 RBA_afk hi PilzAdam 15:45 OdnetninI http://pastebin.com/57BzHx3b 15:45 OdnetninI error 15:45 OdnetninI the close me the window 15:47 Jordach thexyz, VanessaE, sfan5 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=51972#p51972 should we lock this? 15:48 OdnetninI please help me 15:48 sfan5 Jordach: yes 15:48 PilzAdam OdnetninI, it has to do with the sound 15:48 thexyz better to delete it 15:48 thexyz and bad `sky` forever 15:48 sfan5 *ban 15:48 thexyz yep 15:49 Jordach "Mesa DRI ProSavageDDR x86/MMX/SSE2: S3 Graphics Inc." - i think your opengl is the problem 15:49 sfan5 OdnetninI: "GLSL not available." install a graphics driver 15:49 Jordach i had opengl 1.2 before, was nasty 15:49 OdnetninI I'm trying to connect to a OldCoder server 15:49 Jordach OdnetninI - try a different driver 15:49 Jordach (like the binary nvidia) 15:50 OdnetninI how can i instal GLSL? 15:50 Jordach OdnetninI - GLSL is a driver thing, OpenGL 2.x+ is GLSL, GLSL == shaders 15:50 FreeFull My old laptop didn't do GLSL 15:50 FreeFull No shaders 15:51 FreeFull My desktop barely does GLSL 15:51 FreeFull If it's shader version was any lower, it wouldn't 15:52 PilzAdam thexyz, should we make the steelblock drop 9 steel ingots as suggested here? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/35 15:53 FreeFull Rather than drop, I think it should give you 9 ingots when put into a crafting slot 15:53 thexyz I'd prefer https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/23 15:53 thexyz but it's already closed 15:53 PilzAdam this doesnt make sense 15:53 thexyz that one you posted doesn't make any sense either 15:53 PilzAdam drop the ingots like brick drops clay bricks 15:53 FreeFull So you can make a steel block by hand but you can't split it back up again? 15:54 thexyz then why don't trees drop sticks? 15:54 RealBadAngel any other metal blocks are reverted with crafting 15:54 RealBadAngel makin it breaks doesnt make sense imho 15:54 PilzAdam why do bricks drop the clay bricks only when digged? 15:54 RealBadAngel that is also annoying 15:55 PilzAdam it would be too easy to store iron ingots 15:55 Taoki https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pulls Can't help noticing there are 20 pull requests here. I hope someone will take a look at it soon 15:55 RealBadAngel crafting is damn slow, and you have to craft them back 15:55 FreeFull ^ 15:55 PilzAdam it should cost something 15:56 PilzAdam e.g. tool wear when you have to dig it 15:56 Jordach no, they should drop the brick block 15:56 thexyz https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/285 15:56 Taoki Also: Anyone know what the proress is on a fully textured GUI? Is it possible from lua yet? Both the inventory menu, all other menus (chest, furnace, etc) and item hotbar which is part of the HUD 15:56 OldCoder Hi 15:57 PilzAdam Taoki, RealBadAngel is working on it 15:57 Taoki thexyz: Yeah, you ported that code some time back and I put it on GIT :) But it never got merged 15:57 Taoki awesome 15:57 RealBadAngel Taoki i will add some new features to it first 15:57 thexyz Taoki: but item hotbar can't be changed via lua 15:57 thexyz or via formspec, or whatever 15:57 Taoki RealBadAngel, PilzAdam: Also: I just updated the attachments code, and fixed some more bugs. I also renamed the lua functions. Change the carts to use set_attach and set_detach 15:57 * VanessaE peeks in 15:57 VanessaE hi. 15:57 RealBadAngel i can make it customizable too if some1 wants to 15:58 RealBadAngel i mean the hotbar 15:58 PilzAdam thexyz, either we make steel block drop steel ingots or make brick block drop birck block and get craftet into clay bricks 15:58 Octupus Hi VanessaE 15:58 Taoki thexyz: I see. Not a good thing... I was hoping the hotbar and any hud item apart from wield item and debug info text (and chat) could be moved to lua 15:58 Taoki so scripts could define hud definitions. I would personally prefer that 15:58 VanessaE make brick blocks drop brick blocks, craft back into clay bricks if so desired. 15:58 VanessaE imho. 15:58 RealBadAngel easy solution, hud could use default images 15:59 RealBadAngel then just replace them 15:59 Taoki yeah, but the hud isn't customizable via lua. Which doesn't allow for some mods 15:59 * Taoki also hopes that sometime health gets moved to lua, since there might be mods that don't need it at all, or want to implement it differently 15:59 RealBadAngel will be customizable via replacing textures 15:59 RealBadAngel like texture pack does 16:00 Taoki RealBadAngel: Yes. But you can't create your own items to draw 16:00 RealBadAngel i can 16:00 RealBadAngel im already doin it in formspec 16:00 Taoki ah, so the lua api allows custom hud items? 16:00 Taoki like eg: a minimap 16:00 Taoki so it can tell clients to draw something in a corder of the screen 16:00 RealBadAngel hmmmm, that could be possible, i can add a hook for minimap 16:01 iqualfragile no 16:01 iqualfragile nonono 16:01 Taoki ok 16:01 iqualfragile dont let mods access the gui 16:01 iqualfragile thats a quite bad idea 16:01 Taoki RealBadAngel: Don't add a hook for minimap though. Add a hook for allowing the api to draw things on the screen, whatever they are 16:01 iqualfragile *thats quite a bad idea 16:01 Taoki So anyone can use it for anything, not specifically minimap 16:01 Taoki Don't see why 16:01 iqualfragile it will just lead to cluttering (i hope that is what its called) 16:02 Taoki But more possibilities 16:02 iqualfragile in the end there will be alot of widget everywhere on the screen 16:02 iqualfragile like: money, minimap, hp, armor, mp, time 16:02 PilzAdam i have to agree to iqualfragile 16:02 Taoki If someone makes a mod that adds that, and the server owner accepts such mods, sure 16:02 iqualfragile number of players 16:02 RealBadAngel not specific for minimap tho, i mean user defined function to be called when drawing HUD 16:02 iqualfragile names of players 16:03 Taoki If a mod clutters the screen just don't add it 16:03 RealBadAngel so modder can add to HUD anythin 16:03 iqualfragile but think about money 16:03 Taoki RealBadAngel: Yes, that's what I mean 16:03 iqualfragile the money-mod might be a great thing 16:03 PilzAdam if a mod looks nice on 1900x1080 and a server uses it it may look ugly on 800x600 16:03 RealBadAngel even replace defaults 16:03 Taoki iqualfragile: If modders will make a mod that clutters the hud, it's a bad mod itself. It doesn't mean we shouldn't allow lua to draw to the hud. But bad mods should be corrected that's all 16:03 iqualfragile but if the guy making money thinks its a great idea to display my balance in screen 16:04 RealBadAngel up to modder to look somethin reasonable and good lookin then 16:04 iqualfragile i would need to customise it 16:04 RealBadAngel *to make 16:04 iqualfragile additionaly: you will run into great problems with different resolutions 16:04 Taoki PilzAdam: Textures being rescaled based on resolution is done in any game that has some hud. Normally you just define a size, and the drawing iss scaled to be the same size on any resolution 16:04 RealBadAngel so the function that will be called when defined 16:04 Taoki If the image looks bad at a specific resolution,. that is again the mod's fault and not the code for allowing the feature 16:04 iqualfragile and when two mods try to draw into the same area you are fucked 16:05 babyface1031 what does a deployer do besides make constrictors 16:05 RealBadAngel if returns 1, then lets draw rest of the hud 16:05 Taoki iqualfragile: True. The mods need to correct that and be fixed to get along 16:05 iqualfragile but there will be lots of mods 16:05 RealBadAngel if returns 0, then nothin of default hud is drawn 16:05 iqualfragile you cant coordinate them all 16:05 RealBadAngel you wont be installin 10 hud mods at the time, will you? 16:06 iqualfragile well… yes i guess that could happen 16:06 Taoki iqualfragile: Again, the modders have to decide what and how to use 16:06 PilzAdam but 10 mods will use it even if they do something that doesnt require HUD 16:06 iqualfragile but lets just take two simple mods: 16:06 iqualfragile experience 16:06 iqualfragile and armor 16:06 iqualfragile and drowning (yeah, 3) 16:06 RealBadAngel we are talkin bout modding abilities 16:06 Taoki PilzAdam: Then those mods are bad and shouldn't be on the server. If they are, then the server is bad :P 16:07 iqualfragile all those mods will try to draw over the health-bar 16:07 RealBadAngel not bout this what a stupid modder or user can do to fuck up the game 16:07 Taoki ^ 16:07 PilzAdam mods should generally be compatible with each other 16:07 iqualfragile they cant leave spaces for the other mods because it would look strange without them 16:07 RealBadAngel PlizAdam thats not true 16:07 iqualfragile they cant use the same ponit over and over again 16:07 Taoki PilzAdam: Whenever possiblle yes 16:08 iqualfragile and they cant create x versions just to be compatible with any possible configuration 16:08 iqualfragile do you get my point? 16:08 PilzAdam you currently cant find 2 mods that are incompatible (except 2 of mine ;-)) 16:08 RealBadAngel mods doing the same thing in a different way are from definition incopatoble 16:08 RealBadAngel user have to choose one that fits him 16:08 iqualfragile but experience, armor and drowning are three different things 16:09 iqualfragile i want to use them in paralel 16:09 RealBadAngel im makin Creative mod, kinda TMI or NEI from minecraft 16:09 Jordach VanessaE - im experimenting with the default textures at 64x 16:09 Taoki Overall, I'm never of the belief that modding abilities should be restricted cuz if you add them modders will use them to make crap. Some devs think like that, but I think that's a bad thinking. If someone uses them badly, then their mod is bad, and they need to learn not to 16:09 RealBadAngel it will be incompatible with many other ones 16:09 iqualfragile but they will try to use the same point of the screen 16:09 VanessaE have fun with 'em :-) 16:09 PilzAdam the only thing that modders have to care is the naming; if you add the HUD they also have to care about the position on the HUD 16:09 Taoki But features that allow more things are always very good 16:10 iqualfragile taoki: did you even listen? 16:10 iqualfragile all those mods could be great 16:10 Taoki PilzAdam: only if the mod adds something to the hud. 99% of them won't 16:10 iqualfragile but they cant share the same fricking space on screen 16:10 Taoki Maybe just a minimap mod or something 16:10 PilzAdam Taoki, you dont know that 16:10 iqualfragile they will 16:10 RealBadAngel forcing mods compability at cost of possibilities is worst idea even 16:10 iqualfragile everybody will try to add stuff to the hud because its so fancy 16:10 Taoki But it's good to have a feature there. As maybe someone makes their own mod pack and figures some good idea that they know will be compatible 16:11 iqualfragile i can see pilzadam thinking about the posibilty to add hunger right now 16:11 Taoki iqualfragile: No, they won't HAVE to 16:11 RealBadAngel nobody tell you to install bunch of fancy mods 16:11 RealBadAngel mods are options 16:11 PilzAdam iqualfragile, ... what? 16:11 RealBadAngel to choose 16:11 Taoki That's exactly what I was saying. If someone will add things to the hud because it's fancy (and has no use), they are doing bad mods. It's their own fault 16:11 iqualfragile and rba might want to show the power-level of his tools to the user 16:11 sfan5 idea: let the user decide if they want custom hud items from mods 16:11 iqualfragile or whatever 16:12 iqualfragile another technical problem: 16:12 RealBadAngel modder chooses to what to do 16:12 PilzAdam sfan5, so add a boolean to minetest.conf? 16:12 RealBadAngel user chooses to use the mod or not 16:12 Taoki iqualfragile: Sure, maybe they'll do that. If it conflicts with another mod then they and / or the creator of the other mod have to fix them. It doesn't mean the feature itself is bad 16:12 sfan5 PilzAdam: yeah 16:12 iqualfragile it will take alot of bandwidth to syncronize the drawing 16:12 Taoki What RBA said 16:12 sfan5 and a fancy checkbox ;) 16:12 iqualfragile taoki 16:12 iqualfragile ok, again: 16:12 Taoki iqualfragile: Not a lot. Just send the info once as it changes 16:13 iqualfragile but minimaps change a lot 16:13 RealBadAngel and thats GOOOD 16:13 iqualfragile and the oxygen-meter too 16:13 Taoki true, that would send some bandwidth 16:13 Taoki Maybe one packet a second 16:13 RealBadAngel hey hey 16:13 RealBadAngel what for? 16:13 PilzAdam sfan5, and what if a mod depends on the GUI and if you disable it you wont see anything? 16:13 RealBadAngel stop bitte 16:13 RealBadAngel we do have Client Side LUA 16:14 iqualfragile we do? 16:14 RealBadAngel of course 16:14 iqualfragile im not aware of that 16:14 PilzAdam not upstream 16:14 sfan5 PilzAdam: .... what about per-mod settings? 16:14 RealBadAngel youre not readin the forums 16:14 iqualfragile and it would be a freaking great security risc 16:14 RealBadAngel its in the game :) 16:14 iqualfragile so im definitly against adding it 16:14 RealBadAngel Jeija provided workin proof of concept 16:14 PilzAdam sfan5, this would imply that modders would care about other mods 16:14 iqualfragile great 16:15 iqualfragile you know what i will do when that gets merged into default? 16:15 iqualfragile im gona write a mod 16:15 iqualfragile just some litle fancy mod 16:15 iqualfragile with some cool feature 16:15 sfan5 Taoki: about the bandwith... there could be a function that runs client side until the next packet arrives 16:15 RealBadAngel http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3533 16:15 iqualfragile that mod will then contain some clientside lua 16:15 RealBadAngel minimap could be made only client side 16:15 Taoki I don't think the lua api allows anything client-side right now 16:16 iqualfragile wich will just call rm -rf / 16:16 iqualfragile and everybody using it will be dead 16:16 iqualfragile or any malicious server-admin could do the same 16:16 sfan5 you get into water -> server sends oxygen meter with function() oxygen-meter.value= oxygen-meter.value-1 end 16:16 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, this will create the ability to cheat alot 16:16 sfan5 you get out of the water -> server sends packet that hides oxygen meter 16:16 PilzAdam clients can execute their code and the server cant control it 16:16 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i dont think so 16:17 sfan5 cheating? how? 16:17 iqualfragile pilzadam: yeah, but thats possible now, too 16:17 PilzAdam will the code for the client API be in the server or the client? 16:18 iqualfragile client 16:18 PilzAdam so some clients will have the minimap and others not 16:18 RealBadAngel so what? 16:18 RealBadAngel thats normal and logical 16:18 RealBadAngel you want minimap? install mod then 16:19 RealBadAngel you dont like it for some reason, just dont use it 16:19 PilzAdam so clients can use mods like looking through walls etc. 16:19 iqualfragile additionaly minetest has one great problem: 16:19 iqualfragile while we do have some great coders and mods on here they dont fit together very well, each mod has its own look, there are at least 3 mods wich add diamonds, 3 mods wich fix doors, 3 mods wich extend signs 16:19 PilzAdam that is cheating 16:19 iqualfragile there is no uniformity in it 16:19 Octupus what are we talking about? 16:19 RealBadAngel and there never will be 16:19 PilzAdam Octupus, read the log 16:20 Octupus O 3d 16:20 iqualfragile octupus: some guys think its a good idea to let mods draw in the hud 16:20 RealBadAngel forcing all mods to be compatible is against the laws of modding at all 16:20 iqualfragile pizadam and i dont think so 16:20 Octupus O 16:20 iqualfragile rba: you are right but it would be great to see some more integration between them 16:20 RealBadAngel 1st of all, you dont have to use ALL the mods aviable 16:21 PilzAdam iqualfragile, actually we started to discuss whether steel blocks should drop or be crafted into steel ingots... 16:21 sfan5 PilzAdam: client mods should only execute if the client is in singleplayer 16:21 sfan5 +be 16:21 FreeFull Adding to the hud is fine as long as you add in a good interface 16:21 RealBadAngel youre supposed to choose ones that fits you 16:21 FreeFull So the mod says "I want to put in a bar in the hud that is that long and that tall" 16:21 iqualfragile its important for a good game 16:21 Taoki PilzAdam: Anyway. Please update yout GIT for the carts if you haven't, RBA and me fixed the player size bug yesterday. You need to use new function names for my latest attachment code like I said. But I'm curious if the carts work well now, great mod :) 16:21 iqualfragile not just the technical possibilties 16:21 FreeFull And then minetest says "right, I'll put it here" 16:21 iqualfragile but the ambience 16:21 PilzAdam Taoki, wait 16:21 iqualfragile minetest has a lot of technical possibilties and features 16:22 Taoki PilzAdam: Cart visual_size needs to be 2 x 2 apparently. No idea why, but it needs that 16:22 iqualfragile there are great mods out there, like mesecons and technic 16:22 Taoki I need to go now, be back in 1-2 hours or so 16:22 PilzAdam Taoki, can you provide a patch? 16:22 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, but tellinin the modders that some tools cannot be done because another modder may have an idea to make similar thing is just nonsense 16:22 iqualfragile but they are… 16:22 Taoki PilzAdam: RBA did the code, I only tested it with him. But at the last attempt, it worked 16:23 Taoki Ask him please 16:23 PilzAdam k 16:23 Taoki I just connected to his server to test 16:23 Taoki later 16:23 sfan5 the server sends packets that contain the hud elements and functions that should minimize the packets sent (e.g. count air meter down) 16:23 RealBadAngel server is up all the time 16:23 iqualfragile rba: lets take an example: gloopores 16:23 sfan5 that would prevent cheating with client side mods, but still allow hud sent from server 16:23 iqualfragile nobody needs gloopores 16:23 iqualfragile but they are there 16:23 RealBadAngel i do need 16:23 RealBadAngel for magic branch of technic mod 16:24 iqualfragile well, i think they would in fact be good 16:24 iqualfragile if 16:24 RealBadAngel T_A_N_K will be creating this 16:24 iqualfragile he would remove half of them 16:24 * ruskie likes them for kalite torches 16:24 iqualfragile and only leave the ones wich are unique 16:24 iqualfragile like the healing-things 16:24 RealBadAngel they are fantasy like 16:24 iqualfragile or the ores-in-sandstone 16:24 RealBadAngel and will be used for magical stuff 16:25 iqualfragile then he should split the mod 16:25 iqualfragile and you should too: 16:25 iqualfragile the machines 16:25 iqualfragile and the chests 16:25 iqualfragile and the items 16:25 iqualfragile and the magic 16:25 iqualfragile into seperate mods 16:25 RealBadAngel i do have somwhere plan that tank made 16:25 iqualfragile and then release them as a modpack 16:25 iqualfragile but seperate them 16:26 RealBadAngel im about to go modpack way 16:26 RealBadAngel technic gets too big 16:26 RealBadAngel i need to make it more customizable and better organized 16:26 iqualfragile great! 16:26 PilzAdam i generally see a problem when developing mods: many mods are over developed 16:27 iqualfragile i aree with you 16:27 PilzAdam there are too many features 16:27 RealBadAngel sometimes even i do not know where specific part of code is 16:27 iqualfragile but yours are an exeption 16:27 iqualfragile they just fullfill their function 16:27 PilzAdam i realy try to keep thinks simple 16:27 RealBadAngel tried to keep them in separate files 16:27 PilzAdam a good example for a over develped mod is my carts mod 16:27 iqualfragile yep, you could see that when you split farming and farming-extra 16:27 RealBadAngel but those separate files also started to be big 16:28 RealBadAngel im thinkin on such way: worldgen section, wires section, machines, tools, items 16:29 RealBadAngel all separate mods 16:29 PilzAdam if i could say one thing to all modders: Keep things simple! 16:29 iqualfragile rba: as i said, i would recommend you to split it into: 16:29 iqualfragile the machines& tubes (deployer, destroyer, n‘stuff) 16:29 iqualfragile the chests (the tubes should be compatible with any chest, even default) 16:29 iqualfragile the "items" (drill, turner, n‘stuff) 16:29 VanessaE PilzAdam: "keep things simple" and RealBadAngel don't quite fit into the same subject :D 16:30 RealBadAngel hehehe 16:30 PilzAdam btw: can we please make a decision about the steel block/brick question 16:30 RealBadAngel i vote for crafting 16:30 VanessaE Drop steel blocks and brick blocks, craft back into ingots and clay bricks, respectively, if so desired. 16:31 VanessaE 'nuff said. 16:31 VanessaE :-) 16:31 RealBadAngel 2 for crafting 16:31 PilzAdam any other votes? 16:31 PilzAdam i vote for crafting, too 16:31 RealBadAngel 3:0 16:31 iqualfragile pilzadam: and if i could add something to that: 16:31 iqualfragile 1. when you do something, do it well, dont add 30 crops, add 3 but think about them verry carefully, how they integrate into the game 16:31 iqualfragile 2. integrate your mods into the default-game and other mods (similar textures, carts can use copper-tracks) 16:31 iqualfragile crafting 16:31 RealBadAngel 4:0 16:32 PilzAdam okay i will change it 16:32 PilzAdam thexyz, can i push directly to upstream in this case? 16:32 BUILDV3 is ghostshell on 16:33 RealBadAngel btw 16:33 PilzAdam BUILDV3, no 16:33 BUILDV3 can ghostshell get on 16:33 RealBadAngel have anybody thought to join moreores upstream? 16:33 VanessaE RealBadAngel +100000000000 16:33 BUILDV3 cause i want build prevs on his server 16:33 PilzAdam -1 16:33 VanessaE (and moreblocks too) 16:33 PilzAdam the code is crap 16:34 RealBadAngel so revamp it and join 16:34 RealBadAngel its too common mod to be outside 16:34 PilzAdam if people want it 16:34 VanessaE so add it anyway and clean it up later> 16:34 VanessaE no one who *uses* the mod really gives a shit if the code is crap 16:34 PilzAdam I do 16:34 VanessaE they care if it works right and doesn't suck CPU 16:35 RealBadAngel everybody usin moreores 16:35 PilzAdam but i dont use it 16:35 RealBadAngel show me the server that doesnt use it, except for skyblock ones 16:35 PilzAdam i actually dont like it 16:35 iqualfragile well, i guess allmost everybody added moreores 16:35 iqualfragile brb 16:36 RealBadAngel moreores, moreblocks is just a-must-have 16:36 VanessaE hell even redcrab's server uses them 16:36 VanessaE and he's like the last guy to add anything to the server 16:36 VanessaE moreores, moreblocks belong in upstream. 16:36 thexyz PilzAdam: yep 16:36 PilzAdam what is the benefit of moreores? 16:36 OldCoder Unique names are good for mods too 16:36 VanessaE even rubenwardy would agree :-) 16:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: bartering, extra tools, decoration 16:37 VanessaE also homedecor uses it for a few items. 16:37 VanessaE (like tin and copper, specifically) 16:37 RealBadAngel im using them heavily 16:37 rubenwardy moreblocks definitely, moreores not so sure 16:37 RealBadAngel look at this from this point of view 16:37 PilzAdam im not sure how much it should be integrated into default mod 16:38 RealBadAngel minecraft had a problem with extra ores 16:38 VanessaE just do it already 16:38 VanessaE stop debating 16:38 RealBadAngel so mods added copper, tin etc 16:38 RealBadAngel it ended up with different kinds of copper and so on 16:38 RealBadAngel they went for ores library 16:38 RealBadAngel the modders, not mojang 16:39 RealBadAngel and unified it 16:39 VanessaE he's right 16:39 VanessaE same reason I added vessels, because we have dozens of mods that implement their own glass items which aren't cross-compatible. 16:39 BUILDV3 when is ghostshell on 16:39 RealBadAngel lets do the same by adding ores to main 16:39 sfan5 does minetest transfer all mod textures or just the ones specified in the mod files? 16:39 sfan5 BUILDV3: we don't know 16:39 VanessaE BUILDV3: practically never, better to ask on gameboom or on the minetest forums 16:39 RealBadAngel so there the problem wont rise here 16:40 RealBadAngel look how many mods we do have adding new ores and tools 16:40 VanessaE sfan5: only those specified, from what I can tell 16:40 RealBadAngel and then on the forums hey, my mod already adds bronze 16:40 VanessaE adding more mods lengthens the startup time even if the supportive texture pack already has those images 16:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, talking about vessels, the textures are ugly 16:40 RealBadAngel hi Jeija 16:40 VanessaE he jeija 16:41 OldCoder Jeija, hello 16:41 sfan5 VanessaE: how does it determite the textures in the mod file? 16:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: I submitted better ones. c55 did not put them in. 16:41 VanessaE sfan5: beats me, I assume it creates a list based on the tiles= and related lines 16:41 Jeija Hi everyone 16:41 RealBadAngel Jeija, how about the vertical mesecons? :) 16:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, I can add them ;-) 16:42 RealBadAngel Jeija, you could also add NOR gate 16:42 Jeija Why not just take a NOT"-Gate"? 16:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest_game/tree/master/mods/vessels 16:43 RealBadAngel we can use OR and NOT, but why cant we have NOR? :) 16:43 Jeija dunno, just because 16:43 VanessaE who needs NOR when we have NAND anyway? :-)_ 16:43 RealBadAngel hehehe 16:43 RealBadAngel i can make the code for NOR, will you add it then? :) 16:44 Jeija yup, RealBadAngel 16:44 RealBadAngel so deal 16:45 RealBadAngel more folks came so i will post it again: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3698 16:46 RealBadAngel jin_xi made tetris and i made textures for arcade machine 16:46 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, this channel is 100% ad-free ;-) 16:46 RealBadAngel lol 16:46 RealBadAngel :) 16:46 OldCoder "I use Sanka Brand Coffee and am not a real Doctor" 16:48 RealBadAngel some1 rised a while ago problem with objects two nodes high 16:48 RealBadAngel i think VanessaE with the fridge 16:48 VanessaE there. 16:48 RealBadAngel is it solved already or not? coz i dont remember 16:48 VanessaE PilzAdam: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/36 16:48 RealBadAngel and i need it for arcade machine 16:49 RealBadAngel VanessaE, is it here? 16:49 RealBadAngel in vessels? 16:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: wait... 16:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok, there. use that pull request. 16:50 VanessaE fridge? huh? 16:50 RealBadAngel VanessaE, from home decor 16:51 RealBadAngel if node above is not air, dont allow to put the fridge 16:51 VanessaE oh, you mean the texture glitching? thexyz mentioned that for his doors mod, but I have yet to see it happen to refrigerators. 16:51 RealBadAngel remember? 16:51 VanessaE yeah I fixed that 16:51 VanessaE ages ago. 16:51 PilzAdam is this a good commit message? Make steel block and brick drop themselves when digged and make them craftable back into the their materials 16:51 RealBadAngel can you point me to the fix? 16:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: works for me. 16:51 RealBadAngel for me too 16:51 VanessaE RealBadAngel: latest homedecor. https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/commits/master 16:52 VanessaE I didn't log that fix in as a specific commit 16:52 VanessaE it just got fixed in the normal course of developing the mod. 16:52 thexyz PilzAdam: i guess you don't have to be so paranoid about stuff you push to repo 16:52 RealBadAngel VanessaE, got it, thx 16:52 PilzAdam thexyz, but it makes me feel safe 16:53 RealBadAngel well, im safe now, no more unwanted childs, said a man that cut off his d..k ;) 16:54 sfan5 VanessaE: the server just takes any files with specific extensions, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/server.cpp#L4018 16:55 VanessaE sfan5: ok. I must be thinking of the black-screen delay, that's where the time adds up. 16:55 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, if the commit is wrong you can always undo it or fix it 16:56 RealBadAngel its a development 16:56 PilzAdam you cant undo commits in git 16:56 RealBadAngel you can fix them 16:56 PilzAdam sure, but the history will show how stupid i am ;-) 16:56 RealBadAngel and ive never seen the code 100% perfect from the start 16:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: as long as the commit message is informative and factual, I'm sure your exact grammar doesn't matter :-) 16:57 RealBadAngel remember that most of us are not native speakers 16:57 RealBadAngel including you 16:58 RealBadAngel on EU theres one player that doesnt speak a word 16:59 ruskie well he is only 10 16:59 RealBadAngel i was wondering why, hes from romania and he doesnt speak english at all 16:59 ruskie and he actually is able to cobble a few words together every so often 16:59 RealBadAngel only his brother does 16:59 PilzAdam i guess this splits the MT comminity into two parties: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/13 16:59 PilzAdam *community 17:00 RealBadAngel nah 17:00 iqualfragile i think dyes are great 17:00 RealBadAngel with time we will polish it 17:00 VanessaE use Jordach's woolcraft recipes 17:00 VanessaE change for the sake of change is bad, mmkay? 17:00 iqualfragile but you could be able to craft dyes with the items from his recipes 17:00 RealBadAngel adding more content actually makes sense 17:00 RealBadAngel same for moreores 17:01 iqualfragile well, dyes are a more common aproach 17:01 VanessaE abso-fucking-lutely. 17:01 VanessaE (rba) 17:01 iqualfragile not realy… 17:01 RealBadAngel basic game has to few items to make sensible craftin recipes 17:01 iqualfragile it needs to be balanced 17:01 VanessaE the more default items you have the game, the more widely the recipes you make can vary 17:01 Jordach has anyone noticed that any dye + one wool returns 16 of them? 17:01 VanessaE if everyone has access to say copper, everyone can use it to make something 17:01 PilzAdam +1 for iqualfragile 17:01 iqualfragile you have to think about the features and items and ores before you publish them 17:01 RealBadAngel using everywhere cobble, iron and wood doesnt make sense 17:01 VanessaE Jordach: yep, I think we all noticed that 17:02 PilzAdam content is good, but gameplay is better 17:02 RealBadAngel gameplay with a few items is worth shit 17:02 PilzAdam sure 17:02 Jordach because for decoration you can either spend precious on wool or use them for glass and torches / furnace fuel 17:02 VanessaE PilzAdam: sure, but if gameplay isn't appreciably affected by content, what's the point of excluding said content? 17:03 RealBadAngel world is HUGE 17:03 Jordach i know where we should start 17:03 PilzAdam i have nothing against tons of content, but it has to create something like gameplay 17:03 Jordach by making maps HUGE 17:03 VanessaE and if gameplay is *enhanced* by the added content, there is zero logic in leaving out said content. 17:03 RealBadAngel is have to offer way to find many different stuff 17:03 RealBadAngel and not same boring stuff everywhere 17:03 PilzAdam btw: what do you guys think about this crap? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/issues/15 17:04 RealBadAngel no matter how far or deep you will go 17:04 VanessaE and that's certainly the case here - stuff like more ores, more blocks, jungle grass, wool (with sensible recipes if you must) add to the depth of the game and to the variety of things you can create. 17:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: no wya. 17:04 RealBadAngel same for snow mod 17:04 RealBadAngel and more trees 17:04 VanessaE definitely does NOT work. sorry 17:04 RealBadAngel another biomes 17:04 RealBadAngel game desperately need such stuff 17:05 RealBadAngel what for shall i move 1000 nodes further 17:05 RealBadAngel if i know i wont find there nothin new? 17:06 RealBadAngel so why +-31000? 17:06 RealBadAngel if world is just the same everywhere 17:06 Jordach has anyone thought of extending the map size yet? 17:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, there is this two changes in one pull request thing again... 17:06 RealBadAngel what for? 17:07 RealBadAngel fill existing one with another content first 17:07 Jordach free 2 play / public servers 17:07 Jordach give em a year ad they will hit 31000 soon 17:07 RealBadAngel jungles, arctic, swamps 17:07 RealBadAngel etc 17:07 RealBadAngel wastelands 17:08 VanessaE glass breaking: http://www.freesound.org/people/Connum/sounds/66519/ 17:08 VanessaE cc-by-sa. 17:08 VanessaE trim the length of the sample and you've got glass blocks being broken. 17:09 VanessaE should work for any large glass item by the sound of it. 17:09 VanessaE PilzAdam: so? Both add stuff the game needs. 17:09 VanessaE there's nothing wrong with two or more commits per pull request. 17:11 PilzAdam this https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest_game/commit/f74af53ff32c6f747663f9a952a63be97c800f1d#L3R111 and the README of the vesels mod does not follow the convention of the other mods in minetet_game 17:12 VanessaE *facepalm* 17:12 PilzAdam I know you dont care about such thinks, but I do ;-) 17:12 VanessaE who gives a shit what the readmes say? the code is the important thing here. 17:12 PilzAdam the code is also not 100% correct 17:13 VanessaE so pull it, edit to suit, push to master? 17:13 PilzAdam yea i can do this 17:21 OdnetninI can anyone help me with the error i say before: http://pastebin.com/57BzHx3b ? 17:21 VanessaE you have to give us time to answer, OdnetninI 17:22 VanessaE OdnetninI: no clue what that message means, but it doesn't look like an error as such - I get those occasionally but sound still works. 17:22 OdnetninI what can ocassionate, that my window closes? 17:23 VanessaE oh I see, you mean the gfx messages 17:23 VanessaE Mesa DRI = you're using open source drivers.... on an old S3 chipset? 17:24 OdnetninI mmm 17:24 OdnetninI S3 chipset? I don't know if i have this 17:24 VanessaE (or S3 is associated with Mesa I guess. been years since I used that driver) 17:25 VanessaE either way you need a better video driver. the game apparently needs something your driver doesn't have 17:25 OdnetninI What can it be? 17:25 OdnetninI The singleplayer works 17:25 VanessaE dunno 17:25 OdnetninI but multiplayer nto 17:26 VanessaE what version of MT is this? 17:26 OdnetninI The lastest git 17:26 VanessaE built when? 17:26 OdnetninI I downloaded today 17:26 VanessaE ok 17:26 Octupus Booop 17:27 VanessaE what video chip set do you use then? 17:27 OdnetninI dunno 17:27 VanessaE find out 17:28 OdnetninI VESA: VBE 3.0 17:28 VanessaE that's not a chipset. 17:28 VanessaE that's a driver type. you're lucky the game runs at all 17:28 BUILDV3 well is Ghostshell on or maybe Bad_Commands 17:28 OdnetninI It's only I know 17:29 PilzAdam BUILDV3, no 17:29 VanessaE BUILDV3: do you see either of them in the user list? No, they are not on. 17:29 VanessaE OdnetninI: Google Is Your Friend ™ :-) 17:29 PilzAdam google is evil 17:30 VanessaE BUILDV3: go ask your question directly on the Gameboom forums or on the Minetest forums, if either of the two needs to answer, they'll eventually see. 17:30 VanessaE otherwise, just ask your question here. 17:30 VanessaE don't ask for a specific person if it isn't necessary 17:30 VanessaE PilzAdam: but...but...You can make money without being evil? :-) 17:30 PilzAdam sure 17:30 PilzAdam but google doesnt 17:31 OdnetninI 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] 17:31 VanessaE OdnetninI: THAT is a chipset. 17:31 VanessaE I didn't know anyone still ran the old Savage chipset. you're lucky you get an image on the screen at all :-) 17:32 OdnetninI I can't play multiplayer in this computer? 17:32 VanessaE OdnetninI: start by turning on the proper driver for that chipset - VESA ain't it. as I recall, there is an X driver for the S3 series. 17:32 VanessaE see how the game behaves then. 17:32 OdnetninI Mmm ok 17:33 OdnetninI how can i turn this driver? 17:33 VanessaE beats me, I haven't messed with those old drivers in years, but as a start you probably need the xserver-xorg-video-savage package (or whatever your distro calls it) 17:34 VanessaE and you probably need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf 17:38 babyface1031 VanessaE can you help me i am trying to make a shop of your dyes but dont know the name of the node 17:39 OdnetninI I install xserver-xorg-video-savage_2.3.3-1~oneiric~xup1_i386.deb 17:39 OdnetninI now what? 17:41 OdnetninI my xorg.conf is empty 17:42 OdnetninI VanessaE? 17:42 VanessaE OdnetninI: you'll have to search the web for info at this point. 17:42 VanessaE babyface1031: they're named things like unifieddyes:red, unifieddyes:light_blue, unifieddyes:dark_green_s50, etc. 17:43 VanessaE babyface1031: there's a listing of all the node names inside the unifieddyes folder. 17:43 babyface1031 ok ty 17:43 babyface1031 oh ok 17:47 OdnetninI I don't find nothing 17:47 VanessaE change your search words and look again 17:51 OdnetninI odnetnini@odnetnini-Professional-Workstation-AP550:~/Descargas$ glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: Yes X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (XFree86-DRI) Minor opcode of failed request: 9 () Resource id in failed request: 0x3200004 Serial number of failed request: 44 Current serial number in output stream: 44 17:51 OdnetninI this is an error 17:51 RealBadAngel your distro? 17:51 VanessaE OdnetninI: you're left with figuring out your video driver issues on your own I'm afraid. 17:52 VanessaE RealBadAngel: triskell linux I think 17:52 VanessaE er trisquel 17:52 OdnetninI is trisquell yes 17:57 Octupus WOW black ops 2 is dry 17:58 OdnetninI I can't do anything else? 17:58 RealBadAngel OdnetninI, have you tried those? http://packages.trisquel.info/taranis/xserver-xorg-video-savage 17:59 OdnetninI Yes 17:59 OdnetninI glxinfo | grep directdirect rendering: Yes X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (XFree86-DRI) Minor opcode of failed request: 9 () Resource id in failed request: 0x3200004 Serial number of failed request: 44 Current serial number in output stream: 44 17:59 RealBadAngel youre still using DRI 18:00 RealBadAngel you havent installed savage ones 18:00 OdnetninI I install 18:00 ruskie no he is using DRI 18:00 ruskie DRI is correct 18:00 ruskie DRI are the accelerated drivers 18:00 OdnetninI sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage [sudo] password for odnetnini: Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho xserver-xorg-video-savage ya está en su versión más reciente. 0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. odnetnini@odnetnini-Professional-Workstation-AP550:~$ 18:01 RealBadAngel hmmm 18:02 OdnetninI any idea? 18:04 RealBadAngel try to find another versions of the drivers 18:04 ruskie what's the actual problem? 18:04 RealBadAngel when i was installing debian here i tried 6 releases of ATI drivers until i got workin one 18:05 OdnetninI I think i need make a change to X11/xorg.conf 18:05 OdnetninI but i don't know how 18:05 RealBadAngel those morons keep tellin me that card bough circa 1,5 yrs ago is too old and is not supported 18:05 ruskie RealBadAngel, only ati and nvidia provide proprietary drivers... the others are all DRIed already 18:05 VanessaE RealBadAngel: stupid, stupid, stupid :( 18:06 RealBadAngel assholes, Thorvalds should also say "fuck you amd" not only to Nvidia 18:06 VanessaE whatever happened to that great open source commitment by ATI? 18:06 ruskie VanessaE, it's still there 18:06 ruskie they still provide docs 18:06 VanessaE then why does my ~2 year old video card still need the proprietary blob to work well? >:-( 18:06 RealBadAngel thyere boycotting linux 18:07 ruskie VanessaE, if you are refering to firmware a lot of things need it and that isn't an issue 18:07 RealBadAngel yesterday i saw message that current flash version for Linux is THE LAST ONE 18:07 OdnetninI it is impsoble to run minetest multiplayer at this computer? 18:07 Mika_R hi all 18:07 ruskie it's getting the DRI drivers to talk properly 18:07 ruskie RealBadAngel, and no they aren't 18:07 VanessaE ruskie: I refer to the proprietary fglrx driver. when it works, it works great. When it fails, it fails miserably. 18:07 ruskie they are encouraging open source drivers 18:07 OdnetninI Bye 18:07 ruskie VanessaE, yeah ok... I don't call that a blob 18:07 RealBadAngel you shall use word "FORCING" 18:08 RealBadAngel read leavin it because they dont see enough money here 18:09 ruskie they aren't leaving it 18:09 RealBadAngel as if money earned on selling the hardware wasnt enough 18:09 RealBadAngel current AMD drivers are totally fucked up 18:10 RealBadAngel with 100$ card, not so old 18:10 ruskie RealBadAngel, considering years of using open source drivers with ATI gear I can't say they are 18:10 RealBadAngel installing those drivers destroyed my system 18:10 ruskie I always had issues with the binary ones 18:10 RealBadAngel open source ones are still too slow 18:10 ruskie RealBadAngel, depends for which card true 18:11 RealBadAngel on my hardware 25-30% circa 18:11 ruskie there's a large dark spot between r200 and latest 18:11 RealBadAngel i wont be buyin new card for the very same box each yr 18:12 RealBadAngel just because assholes that producin it cant release proper drivers 18:12 ruskie heh 18:13 VanessaE he's right though 18:13 VanessaE I've had perfectly good, fast video devices become unusable because the properietary driver loses support before the open source driver has caught up 18:14 RealBadAngel theyre makin this on purpose 18:14 ruskie a lot of the support is probably in experimental branches 18:14 RealBadAngel to force ppl to buy new ones 18:14 ruskie and hence long and far away from getting into any distro 18:14 RealBadAngel market is jammed 18:14 VanessaE (as is the case with my laptop - I can't run anything newer than roughly 2008-era before I lose support for the onboard video and have to resort to crappy open source drivers) 18:14 ruskie or mainline kernel 18:15 RealBadAngel only way to sell more are such tricks 18:16 ruskie not really 18:16 RealBadAngel soon 10 minutes after you will go out the shop with newly bought piece of hardware it may happen its too old to support 18:16 ruskie but their binary drivers used to be utter shite 18:16 ruskie I believe that started changing since they started droping old version 18:17 ruskie maybe they should just run it like nvidia with 20 billion different version of the driver always maintained 18:17 RealBadAngel theyre makin money on this 18:17 ruskie just like I'm making money on minetest... not 18:17 RealBadAngel its their fucink responibility to support drivers for sold hardware 18:18 ruskie people won't buy stuff just because 18:18 VanessaE they're making money on forcing you to buy the latest and greatest, by not giving you drivers that support your hardware, making your perfectly good hardware look broken and slow by comparison 18:18 VanessaE Calinou: fork minetest_game and add moreores/moreblocks + pull request plz :-) 18:20 RealBadAngel and bring me a beer for raising it ;) 18:22 * Jordach_ hands RealBadAngel a cold one 18:23 PilzAdam btw: what do you guys think about not renewable lava? 18:23 FreeFull No 18:23 thexyz yes 18:23 Jordach_ yes 18:23 VanessaE meh, i think it's fine the way it is. 18:23 Jordach_ we dont want griefers spamming lava with a endless resource 18:24 Jordach_ (and for someone whos been griefed before, its common sense really) 18:24 VanessaE now what lava *should* do is something like that lava cooling mod I guess 18:24 thexyz i'd also like to have "default" splitted into several smaller mods 18:24 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i personally would love to see finite liquids volumes 18:24 VanessaE the further from a source, the cooler the lava until it just acts like stone. 18:24 Calinou VanessaE: nope, default game shouldn't have too much content 18:24 VanessaE Calinou: default game should have *tons* of content. 18:24 Calinou maybe add stone bricks/stonesquares/horizontal trees 18:25 RealBadAngel like source spreading to air node, will have 1/2 of volume 18:25 Calinou we should not turn minetest_game into KDE 18:25 Calinou (8D) 18:25 thexyz VanessaE: minetest is not dwarf fortress 18:25 thexyz realtest is 18:25 thexyz (probably) 18:25 RealBadAngel but some stuff has to be there 18:25 Calinou +1 for making lava non-renewable anyway 18:25 VanessaE thexyz: er, your point? 18:25 Calinou RealBadAngel: there is some stuff 18:25 VanessaE content is as important to the game as the style of gameplay itself. 18:25 RealBadAngel too few 18:25 thexyz VanessaE: there're games for it 18:25 Calinou some basic blocks to build stuff; some ores to find and mine 18:26 thexyz see, http://minetest.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=15 18:26 Calinou no mobs, though. we have no good, fast and bugless mod... 18:26 Calinou simplemobs is still quite glitchy 18:26 Jordach_ 4:2 lava should not be renewable, vote now 18:26 RealBadAngel thats why folks start moddin by adding new tools and so 18:26 PilzAdam Jordach_, +1 for not 18:26 PilzAdam *not renewable 18:26 RealBadAngel not renewable 18:26 Calinou good software is modular 18:27 Jordach_ 5:2 18:27 thexyz i'd also replace default doors with xdoors2 18:27 Jordach_ good software is modular - MS Windows can be changed easily 18:27 Calinou this is why the default MT game should have some basic content to make the game work. but if you want additional content, add it using mods. and these are easy to install 18:27 RealBadAngel thexyz, agreed 18:27 Calinou (shouldn't be too small either. but too small is better than too big) 18:27 PilzAdam thexyz, the doors from PilzTest are better for texture makers 18:27 Calinou +1 PilzAdam 18:28 thexyz wtf http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2734 18:28 Calinou PilzAdam: pull request your xdoors2 mod from pilztest :) 18:28 RealBadAngel yeah, windows can be changed easily, format and go for debian for example ;) 18:28 VanessaE as I said before, the more content the game has, the more content modders can add later by way of using those newly-added blocks in their recipes. 18:28 thexyz PilzAdam: those without window? 18:28 VanessaE every block added multiplies the number of possible recipes. 18:28 Calinou thexyz: lol'd 18:29 RealBadAngel which can be more original 18:29 Calinou VanessaE: every block added increases RAM usage and loading time :) 18:29 RealBadAngel not only wood, stone, sticks 18:29 VanessaE so? 18:29 RealBadAngel so what? 18:29 VanessaE the game already takes a shitton of RAM and forever to load? 18:29 RealBadAngel ram is cheap 18:29 Calinou it's a PITA to add RAM on most laptops 18:29 VanessaE have you ever *looked* at the amount of RAM the default game uses? 18:30 RealBadAngel who plays on laptops? masochists? ;) 18:30 VanessaE it allocates somewhere north of 800MB when I last looked. 18:30 thexyz i guess we shouldn't allow users to edit theirs posts 18:30 Calinou i guess we shouldn't allow users to post 18:30 Calinou FTFY 18:30 thexyz that'd be nice too 18:30 RealBadAngel laptop is not the device for gaming 18:30 PilzAdam thexyz, whats with new versions of mods? 18:30 VanessaE RealBadAngel: indeed. 18:30 RealBadAngel soon you would like to be able to play minetest with your fridge ;) 18:30 Calinou RealBadAngel: not everyone has the money to buy a computer (laptop/desktop) with good specs 18:30 thexyz PilzAdam: ask moderator to update the post 18:31 VanessaE gaming on a laptop is just asking for hurt. 18:31 RealBadAngel Calinou, bullshit 18:31 PilzAdam thexyz, i sometimes have to wait 2 days until a topic gets moved! 18:31 VanessaE Calinou: if you can buy a laptop, you can buy twice as much desktop. 18:31 Calinou VanessaE: I played on a 3yo laptop for a while, but it was quite high-end when I bought it (and now, guess what, it is still, IMO. :D) 18:31 Calinou true 18:31 thexyz PilzAdam: poor you =( 18:31 RealBadAngel takin the price of the average laptop, you can have 50% faster box 18:31 Calinou laptops are getting more expensive and not really better in specs 18:31 thexyz PilzAdam: ask for moderator privs 18:31 VanessaE exactly. 18:32 VanessaE laptops are a dead end for any kind of computing power needs. 18:32 Calinou 4GB RAM, 2ghz-2core intel CPU, nvidia 9600M 512MB, 320GB HDD < bought in 2009, 17" laptop 18:32 Calinou guess what you find in stores in 2012 now 18:32 VanessaE just get a desktop for the real work and some el-cheapo notebook for the stuff that needs to be mobile. 18:32 Calinou same thing but with weaker CPU and GPU. same price 18:32 RealBadAngel those number dont mean anythin 18:32 VanessaE you'll spend less and get a better gaming experience. 18:32 Jordach_ yeah 18:32 RealBadAngel your laptop is designed to save power 18:32 Calinou and buy a computer without windows, too, save €100 18:32 Jordach_ my tower is stall a beast 18:32 Calinou don't do like i do :| 18:32 VanessaE Calinou: that helps. 18:33 Jordach_ still 18:33 RealBadAngel thus same parameters box will be way faster 18:33 Jordach_ nah prefer win32 18:33 Calinou why 18:33 Calinou nvidia cards just work with linux 18:33 Jordach_ bull - i get half the framerate 18:33 Calinou disable compositing 18:33 Calinou if you use KDE that's normal anyway :P 18:33 Jordach_ in linux than i do windows 18:33 Jordach_ not to mention it limits me to 45fps 18:34 RealBadAngel not to mention fuckin unconfortable keyoard and worst invetntion in the history of mankind: the fuckin touchpad 18:34 * Jordach_ opens a can of Xonotic 18:34 Calinou Jordach_: why would it do? 18:34 Calinou you're doing it wrong, if it does 18:35 Calinou kwin 5.0 will limit you to 5 fps 18:35 Calinou be happy 18:35 RealBadAngel laptops are good for bored house wives, that like to chit chat in the bed 18:35 RealBadAngel nothin more 18:36 Calinou if you move often or want to use your "home" computer at work, they are useful 18:36 Calinou if you are not, buy a desktop 18:36 RealBadAngel for anythin more theyre so useful as 256 bit operation system in microwave owen 18:36 Calinou (but ffs. do not buy a tablet :P) 18:37 RealBadAngel box is the box, easily upgreadable, fast and reliable 18:37 RealBadAngel even in case of somethin is broken, you just replace the part 18:37 Calinou yeah 18:37 RealBadAngel not the whole device 18:37 Calinou and desktops are MUCH cheaper 18:38 Calinou and more powerful too, and way less prone to overheat 18:38 * Calinou has enough RAM in his desktop to play minecraft 18:38 RealBadAngel i bought 2gb extra just because of minecraft 18:38 VanessaE I paid about US $600 for my current desktop. it would take perhaps $2000 or so to get a laptop with the same specs, if one could be made, and this is by no means a top-of-the-line machine tiehr. 18:38 bulletrulz lol 18:38 VanessaE either* 18:39 bulletrulz i paid about 200$ for this netbook xD 18:39 RealBadAngel and propably after half an hour workin with such speed that laptop would be overheated 18:40 RealBadAngel and slow down 18:40 RealBadAngel i made my box work slower than default 18:40 bulletrulz wier dthing is my my netbook never overheats 18:40 Calinou ultrabooks are terribly overpriced 18:40 Calinou even more expensive than macs 18:40 RealBadAngel by like 10%, thanks to it, it can work 24/7 18:40 * Calinou fails to understand computer manufacturers 18:40 RealBadAngel i barely turn it off 18:40 bulletrulz thats cause mac suxks 18:41 Calinou *wants to make computers cheapers* *ships computers with windows, OEM crapware such as 4 primary partitions, and crapware in general* 18:41 RealBadAngel btw have you seen Raspberry PI project? 18:41 * ruskie has one of those 18:42 bulletrulz i/me wants computers to ship wit linux 18:42 RealBadAngel linux card-sized computer 18:42 RealBadAngel ARM 18:42 RealBadAngel that is capable of runnin Quake for example 18:42 * bulletrulz wants computers to ship wit linux 18:42 Calinou lolARM 18:42 bulletrulz its 25$ 18:42 bulletrulz lol 18:42 Calinou *makes shit CPUs that are energy efficient* *behaves like patent troll to get money* 18:42 RealBadAngel you would be suprised 18:42 RealBadAngel what PI can do 18:43 Calinou RealBadAngel: real men run darkplaces in "ultimate" graphics preset 18:43 Calinou the $35 one is much better anyway 18:43 Calinou 512MB ram, 2 usb, and... duh, internet 18:43 Calinou USB hubs aren't funny 18:43 ruskie Calinou, the 512mb one is a new one 18:43 bulletrulz wait that one is onlu 35$? 18:43 Calinou raspi lacks "in" audio, it only has "out" 18:43 RealBadAngel im goin to build one into the keyboard 18:43 bulletrulz id PUT ANDROID ON THAT SHIT LOL 18:43 ruskie the older one still has only 256 18:43 Calinou android is meh 18:44 ruskie and yes... has usb slaved ethernet 18:44 thexyz https://www.miniand.com/products/Hackberry%20A10%20Developer%20Board 18:44 RealBadAngel and have such one for browsing the net, movies etc 18:44 RealBadAngel PI can play FullHD movies 18:44 ruskie RealBadAngel, so-so 18:44 Calinou who watches movies on a computer today 18:44 ruskie RealBadAngel, I used it with openelec 18:44 RealBadAngel i do 18:44 Calinou we have the TV. free (shit) movies, yey 18:44 RealBadAngel i dont even have TV at home 18:45 thexyz RealBadAngel: full hd does not matter, can it play 10bit 1080p video with high bitrate? 18:45 RealBadAngel yes it can 18:45 thexyz even 10 bit?? 18:45 RealBadAngel hardware encoders 18:45 thexyz i thought 10 bit can only be software decoded (at present) 18:45 Jeija Anyone else experiencing bugs using irrlicht 1.8 and minetest? 18:46 cosarara97 my father's PI can do that? 18:46 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NR57ELY28s 18:46 VanessaE Jeija: what sort of bugs? 18:47 bulletrulz :) patienly for linux to take over the world 18:47 VanessaE (I just use whatever my machine and/or minetest currently comes with :-) ) 18:47 Jeija the one I just discovered is that you can't type in any textboxes/fields 18:47 VanessaE bulletrulz: it already has, see also Android as previously mentioned :-) 18:47 Jeija at least you cannot see what you type 18:47 bulletrulz yep :>D 18:47 Calinou someone should make a pull request of xdoors2 but with only one nodebox per door (more flexible textures) 18:48 VanessaE Calinou: homedecor has a similar sort of door 18:48 Calinou 2012 should be the year of non-flat doors :D 18:48 VanessaE and everyone who uses that mod thinks it's great :-) 18:48 ruskie RealBadAngel, have you tried playing minetest on it yet? 18:48 thexyz RealBadAngel: as i already said, 1080p itself doesn't really matters; it can be different 18:48 RealBadAngel not yet 18:48 ruskie thexyz, I believe it craps out on 10bit 18:48 thexyz for example, I have video with bitrate like 35372.207 kbit/s 18:48 RealBadAngel got it for a few days by now 18:48 ruskie or atleast it did last time I was using it 18:49 ruskie as a media box 18:49 ruskie had issues navigating xbmc and had random freezeups 18:49 ruskie do need to order a few of the 512mb ones 18:49 ruskie those should be better for stuff like mini browser etc... 18:50 RealBadAngel i thought the same 18:50 ruskie the 256mb version isn't all that much 18:50 RealBadAngel just the keyboard and monitor then 18:50 RealBadAngel for web activity 18:50 Jeija I ordered 3x the 512mb version, maybe minetest server at least runs faster on those 18:50 Jeija the 256mb version was horrible 18:51 RealBadAngel need to find a keyboard that will have enough space to put the PI inside too 18:51 Jeija There were lots of changes in irrlicht 1.8 that could have caused the editbox bug 18:51 bulletrulz hows the cpu speed for the pi? 18:51 RealBadAngel its arm, dont compare it to x86 18:52 ruskie it's old arm 18:52 ruskie don't compare it to tegra 18:52 bulletrulz i wont but what is it 18:52 RealBadAngel http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs 18:52 ruskie armv6 iirc 18:52 bulletrulz maybe i can run minecraft on it lol 18:52 bulletrulz jk 18:52 ruskie bulletrulz, there is java for it iirc 18:52 sfan5 bulletrulz: its too slow 18:53 bulletrulz ikno it was a joke 18:53 RealBadAngel its a project of a non-profit foundation 18:53 RealBadAngel to make computer as cheap as possible for schools 18:53 Jeija there was some minecraftlike block game running on the pi... just can't find it right now 18:53 sfan5 minetet? ;) 18:53 sfan5 *minetest 18:54 ruskie RealBadAngel, well for students really not schools so much 18:54 Jeija nope, definitely not 18:54 RealBadAngel quake 3 on PI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mDuJuvZjI 18:55 bulletrulz ohcool 18:56 sfan5 nice 18:59 bulletrulz man the thing i hate about linux games is that there is no games that have a story 18:59 ruskie bulletrulz, have you checked any of the linux game publishing ports? 18:59 VanessaE even among Valve/Steam stuff? 19:00 ruskie or the humble bundle stuff 19:00 RealBadAngel btw i can see that folks out there runnin minecraft servers on PI 19:01 VanessaE RealBadAngel: re: Q3 on Pi, impressive. 19:01 VanessaE (or would the appropriate word be "excellent"? ;-) 19:02 RealBadAngel in terminology of q3 its "headshot" ;) 19:07 RealBadAngel btw, back to ores, etc subject 19:07 RealBadAngel http://www.mod-buildcraft.com/forums/topic/forge-ore-dictionary-ore-better-basic-ore-support/ 19:07 RealBadAngel please read this 19:07 RealBadAngel you will notice lotsa similarities 19:09 VanessaE *whoosh* 19:09 VanessaE that went over my head by about a mile 19:09 ruskie mmm docked shippey coming along nicely 19:09 sfan5 how do i push a new branch to my minetest fork? 19:09 Jordach_ google 19:10 VanessaE sfan5: git checkout ; git add .; git commit; git push 19:10 VanessaE I think 19:10 sfan5 my problem is the git push 19:10 sfan5 it just says "everything up to date" 19:10 VanessaE huh. 19:10 PilzAdam sfan5, git branch your_branch && git checkout your_branch; ; git push origin your_branch 19:10 VanessaE ah forgot the origin argument. 19:11 sfan5 so close, i tried git push origin/your_branch 19:11 PilzAdam s/"/"/" " 19:11 Jordach_ sfan5 - what are you trying to makwe 19:11 Jordach_ make* 19:11 PilzAdam gtg; bye 19:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: protip, if you need to filter a slash, use another char for the sed delimiter. s:/: : 19:11 VanessaE dammit 19:12 sfan5 Jordach_: custom client hud elements 19:12 Jordach_ sweeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttt 19:12 * Jordach_ makes a TF2 gamemode for servers 19:12 sfan5 what i got is https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/4390edb5dc03bf61b0e9eb87a2552a19a76607bd 19:12 VanessaE +#define PROTOCOL_VERSION 14 19:12 VanessaE NOoooooOOOOOoooooOOOOOooo 19:12 VanessaE :) 19:13 thexyz problems with that? 19:13 Jordach_ trolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol 19:13 VanessaE we're still trying to get v13 up to some semblance of popularity :-) 19:13 Jordach_ VanessaE - fuck that, we need bigger maps 19:14 sfan5 things that are missing: the lua function, actual code in game.cpp for rendering, test it 19:14 thexyz i'd even prefer PROTOCOL_VERSION 9999 (when in development) and only increase it when milestone is released 19:14 VanessaE Jordach_: never gonna happen. 19:14 Jordach_ oh yes it will 19:14 VanessaE Jordach_: not until at least the positioning and rendering bug at great distances is fixed. 19:15 VanessaE it looks bad at X or Z = 30000 or -30000, imagine how bad it would be at 10000000000/-10000000000 19:15 thexyz sfan5: you should use tabs, not spaces 19:15 sfan5 i just noticed that 19:16 RealBadAngel shit, changes to formspec :( 19:16 sfan5 no 19:16 RealBadAngel yes 19:16 sfan5 no changes to formspec 19:16 RealBadAngel both cpp and h 19:17 sfan5 but the formspec itsself didn't change 19:17 sfan5 the changes were nessecary 19:17 RealBadAngel the files 19:17 sfan5 otherwise pressing e would close all custom hud elements 19:17 RealBadAngel yes, my changes are waiting 19:17 RealBadAngel to formspec 19:18 RealBadAngel i cannot make further changes before they got merged 19:18 RealBadAngel and if that will be merged i will have to redo the patch 19:19 Calinou while we're talking about protocols 19:19 Calinou imo, if strict protocol enforcing is disabled and client is older/newer, the client should recieve a warning message 19:19 Calinou (if not done already, never tested) 19:22 RealBadAngel can somebody apply my patch before 2 lines changes will break mine? 19:22 RealBadAngel im changin lots more in formspec 19:24 Calinou sfan5: nice, but will the positition of HUD formspecs be tweakable? 19:24 Calinou and opacity? 19:24 sfan5 dunno 19:24 sfan5 i need to get it work first 19:40 thexyz RealBadAngel: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/284/files#L1L281 19:41 RealBadAngel yes, this one 19:45 Taoki yay, lua hud has been added? Do merge :D 19:45 Taoki Well, actually, I'm sorta hoping not to see large codes merged until my models are in, since those have some huge code changes 19:46 thexyz oh, i see, nekogloop burned out just like cornernote 19:50 RealBadAngel thexyz, and? 19:51 thexyz merged 19:51 VanessaE bbl 19:51 RealBadAngel thx :) i can go further then and apply new stuff 19:52 RealBadAngel jin_xi shall be happy now 19:52 RealBadAngel he will be able to put nice backgrounds into tetris machine 19:52 sfan5 how do i revert 1 commit? 19:53 sfan5 Taoki: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/4390edb5dc03bf61b0e9eb87a2552a19a76607bd 19:53 RealBadAngel i recloned the tree and applied the patch again to get rid of history 19:53 thexyz sfan5: man git-reset 19:54 thexyz oh 19:54 sfan5 so git reset 4390edb5dc03bf61b0e9eb87a2552a19a76607bd --hard ? 19:54 Taoki looks nice 19:55 thexyz why do you need to revert it? 19:55 thexyz (git reset --hard is dangerous, btw) 19:55 thexyz it'll remove everything uncommited 19:56 Jeija you need make irrlicht not draw the background of an editbox (e->setDrawBackground(false);) in order use minetest with irrlicht 1.8 19:56 thexyz see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448919/how-can-i-remove-a-commit-on-github 19:56 sfan5 thexyz: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/7f88aac89be2e23552e6483615200c3d8d2cff17 look at server.cpp 19:57 thexyz wtf 19:57 RealBadAngel Jeija: what does it affect exactly? 19:57 thexyz that's not the right way you fix identation ^^ 19:57 Jeija in irrlicht 1.8 editboxes are white by default, the font is too 19:58 sfan5 the commit disappeared \o/ 19:58 RealBadAngel so input box on formspec shall be changed? 19:58 thexyz sfan5: better checkout server.cpp @4390edb5dc03bf61b0e9eb87a2552a19a76607bd, commit it, rebase everything into single commit, force push 19:58 Jeija yep 19:58 RealBadAngel a minute 19:59 thexyz (probaby not the best way though) 19:59 sfan5 thexyz: i used "git rebase -i HEAD~2" and deleted the commit 20:03 OldCoder I must go on an errand; back later 20:04 sfan5 this should be right: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/d1794266a52df7cb6e1fab64d5d3ab2029b14bd5 20:07 thexyz nice 20:07 thexyz now rebase those into single commit 20:07 sfan5 how to do that? 20:08 sfan5 ... 20:08 sfan5 i'll googlen 20:08 sfan5 -n 20:09 thexyz git rebase -i HEAD~2, then change pick to squash 20:09 thexyz or fixup 20:10 sfan5 it works 20:10 sfan5 perfect! :) 20:17 bulletrulz lol 20:29 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: have you send pilzadam your patch for carts? 20:32 Jeija When should we move to irrlicht 1.8? 20:33 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, ive explained to him what i done 20:33 RealBadAngel patch itself wasnt a big piece of code at all 20:33 RealBadAngel two variables changed just 20:33 iqualfragile wich? 20:34 RealBadAngel visual_size.x and y of cart 20:34 RealBadAngel have to be set to 2 20:34 RealBadAngel both of them 20:34 RealBadAngel then (because you will get cart bigger) modification to the cart nodeboxes is needed 20:34 RealBadAngel thats all 20:36 workflow Hey RealBadAngel, tetris textures are fantastic, thanks a lot! 20:36 jin_xi oops 20:37 OldCoder Back 20:37 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Hey 20:37 OldCoder thexyz, thanks again for talking to me regarding SQLite3 export 20:39 RealBadAngel jin_xi, ive updated the git 20:39 RealBadAngel have you tried it? 20:40 RealBadAngel im doing now deployin the machine 20:41 RealBadAngel and we can have now background to tetris formspec 20:47 Taoki RealBadAngel: So, any news on the carts? Did you update the script to work with the latest code on the server (I improved a few things today). Seems they're pretty much good and working apart from some glithces 20:48 RealBadAngel i will later today 20:48 Taoki ok 20:48 RealBadAngel and no news since yesterday, pilzadam came talked a bit and went away 20:50 jin_xi RealBadAngel: about to try now, pulling 20:52 RealBadAngel by now you have to place part manually 20:52 RealBadAngel im workin on deploy code right now 20:52 jin_xi well, that should be an easy one 20:52 RealBadAngel *parts 20:52 jin_xi i'll work on properly tracking game state next 20:52 RealBadAngel i shall finish that soon 20:53 RealBadAngel ive fixed drop function 20:53 RealBadAngel just another name was needed 20:53 jin_xi hm, it never crashed for me. 20:53 RealBadAngel for me yes 20:53 RealBadAngel every single try to drop crashed the game 20:53 jin_xi well, that code is hacky anyway 20:54 jin_xi can get rid of stuck function too, its only called in drop 20:54 RealBadAngel all variables have to be moved to meta anyway 20:54 jin_xi yes, that would be good for server us 20:54 jin_xi e 20:54 RealBadAngel by now all the machines play the same game hehehe 20:55 sfan5 i have this https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/bbe493600235014d285998248279319970a7fe97 and i'll go to bed now 20:56 Jordach_ night all 21:04 jin_xi my ideas for upper and lower node formspec is this: 21:04 jin_xi upper node is the game, as it is 21:04 jin_xi lower node, one field to place coin (ingot) 21:06 jin_xi hm, i wonder whats causing name conflict with drop 21:07 jin_xi lua can both have a variable named foo and a function named foo or not? 21:07 jin_xi i think not, right 21:08 RealBadAngel idk, have to be tested 21:11 RealBadAngel jin_xi, got it deployable, now just the facedir 21:12 jin_xi fucking facedir 21:12 jin_xi read trough painting commit log for a good laugh 21:13 RealBadAngel there was somethin like dir to facedir 21:13 jin_xi i think its simpler 21:14 jin_xi use the lower nodes fd for the upper too 21:14 jin_xi i did thid before, let me check 21:15 jin_xi local fd = node.param2 with node being the first one placed 21:15 jin_xi back in 10 mins 21:31 jin_xi back 21:31 Calinou wb 21:31 Calinou that's 15 minutes... 21:32 jin_xi no shit holmes 21:32 Calinou Calinou vs. jin_xi 21:32 Calinou * You were kicked from #redeclipse by redroid (You were executed for starting a frivolous lawsuit) 21:38 RealBadAngel jin_xi, got placing done 21:38 RealBadAngel with that .... facedir 21:49 RealBadAngel jin_xi you there? 21:49 jin_xi yup, sry been reading other window 21:49 RealBadAngel got the deployin done 21:49 RealBadAngel can i commit it? 21:50 jin_xi sure 21:50 RealBadAngel om 21:51 RealBadAngel ok, its on 21:51 RealBadAngel now to make it behave proper when deystroying 21:52 jin_xi yeah, those housekeeping stuffs 21:52 RealBadAngel already removed bottom part from creative 21:52 RealBadAngel the one with screen is placeable 21:52 jin_xi good. would be cool to have whole machine as inventory pic 21:53 RealBadAngel you have already 21:53 jin_xi oh 21:53 steampunkey we need a mirror block 21:53 steampunkey well we don't need it, but it'd go well in what i'm staring at right now XD 21:53 RealBadAngel i made inventory cube out of whole machine textures 21:54 RealBadAngel but wielded image is upper part just 21:54 RealBadAngel with screen and visible teris logo 21:54 jin_xi screen should emit blue night when the game is played at night 21:55 RealBadAngel can be done 21:55 RealBadAngel or change screen when powered 21:55 jin_xi we can also make more arcade machines 21:55 jin_xi i'll do nethack next 21:55 jin_xi lol 21:55 RealBadAngel pacman, snake... 21:56 Calinou minecraft in minetest < next 21:56 RealBadAngel rotfl 21:56 jin_xi idk, but i very much like mc's forth computer 21:56 RealBadAngel its not really forth 21:56 RealBadAngel its a 6502 machine 21:56 RealBadAngel with assembler 21:57 jin_xi so, write forth? 21:57 RealBadAngel forth is written in this assembler 21:57 RealBadAngel if you are brave enough you can write any soft for it 21:58 jin_xi i only did little things in gforth, but it is always fun to try and come up with some forth 21:58 RealBadAngel forth is quite easy 21:58 steampunkey how do everyone all of the sudden know about forth? 21:59 RealBadAngel i only used it in minecraft 21:59 RealBadAngel to write some control logic for more complex machinery 21:59 steampunkey oh that computer mod of theirs? yeah.. 22:00 RealBadAngel its the part of RedPower2 by Eloraam 22:00 RealBadAngel not the computer mod 22:00 RealBadAngel computer mod is a piece of shit comparing to Eloraam's 22:01 RealBadAngel eloraam provided fully workin microprocessor with, ram, devices, IO and all needed stuff 22:02 RealBadAngel computer craft is just forth interpreter in Java 22:03 jin_xi RealBadAngel: did you push? 22:05 RealBadAngel yup, synced 22:05 jin_xi ok got it 22:05 RealBadAngel one can live without CLI :) 22:05 jin_xi just don't see it on the site yet 22:07 jin_xi cool 22:08 RealBadAngel strange 22:08 RealBadAngel cant see it too 22:08 RealBadAngel and i do got reports its updated 22:10 jin_xi now its there :D 22:10 RealBadAngel lag 22:10 RealBadAngel github goin nuts again propably 22:11 Calinou it's always goin nuts(R) --github 22:12 Calinou fun IRC log (#bukkit @ espernet): http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354262/ 22:12 jin_xi never had probs with it, but yes, maybe should move on to bitbucket 22:12 Calinou bitbucket is worst 22:12 Calinou worse* 22:13 Calinou if I had to choose between bitbucket and gitorious I'd use gitorious 22:13 Calinou gtg, bye 22:13 tsquar3d Anyone got any suggestions for a good server to play on? 22:16 RealBadAngel where are you from? 22:17 tsquar3d RealBadAngel: Moi? 22:17 RealBadAngel yup 22:17 tsquar3d Complicated question. I LIVE in the UK. 22:17 RealBadAngel then go for europe.minetest.org port 30000 22:17 tsquar3d Well, complicated answer, I suppose. 22:18 jin_xi its about physical location and lag 22:18 RealBadAngel allow a few minutes when connectin for the first time 22:18 RealBadAngel server will transfer to your game lots of data 22:18 tsquar3d Beans of coolness. 22:19 RealBadAngel this is one time stuff 22:19 RealBadAngel later on you will connect way faster 22:19 tsquar3d So, why has dev been so slow... with mobs and whatnot. 22:19 tsquar3d :-/ 22:19 Uberi it's all server side 22:20 RealBadAngel i guess mobs etc are waitin for 3D models to be complete 22:20 tsquar3d 3D models? Aren't they just pixel art done in.. like... gimp, or whatever? 22:21 RealBadAngel by now yes, as players 22:21 RealBadAngel but that gonna change soon 22:22 RealBadAngel Taoki is very advanced with the code for it 22:22 tsquar3d Sweet.. well, I happen to do 3D modelling and game programming both... so if they need volunteers.... 22:23 tsquar3d It seems like Minec***t is not going to go open source anytime soon... so.... 22:24 RealBadAngel talk to Taoki then (MirceaKitsune in forums) 22:24 Uberi probably not ever, you know 22:24 Taoki hi 22:24 tsquar3d Uberi: I am getting that vibe. 22:25 RealBadAngel http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=60 22:25 RealBadAngel read this topic 22:26 tsquar3d Sweet! They're doing it in Blender! I'm doing my PhD work in the Blender Game Engine. :-) 22:26 Uberi really, tsquar3d? 22:26 Uberi fascinating 22:26 RealBadAngel good 22:26 RealBadAngel then for sure you can help with it 22:26 tsquar3d Yeah... I recently gave a talk at the Blender conference. 22:26 tsquar3d :-) 22:27 jin_xi nice, blender is a very cool project 22:27 tsquar3d Yeah... they're a great community, too. 22:27 jin_xi goes way back to amiga, right 22:28 Uberi goes way back 22:28 Uberi existed before I did 22:30 tsquar3d It started with a little program called "traces". But yeah.. it's been Open Source for 10 years now. 22:30 Uberi only 10 years? I assumed it was much more 22:30 tsquar3d It was commercial before that.. 22:30 Uberi ah, yes 22:31 jin_xi RealBadAngel: some notes for your consideration https://gist.github.com/4062441 22:32 jin_xi maybe a logo machine programmable via inventory and icons would be cool 22:33 tsquar3d Hmm... is there a reason why the server will not let me chop down trees? 22:33 tsquar3d Or pick up any blocks for that matter? 22:33 jin_xi no interact priv? 22:33 RealBadAngel insert coin is a cool idea 22:34 RealBadAngel make silver, gold coins 22:34 RealBadAngel 1 ingot several coins 22:34 jin_xi bitcoins, hehe 22:34 RealBadAngel each kind allows to play for a different time 22:34 RealBadAngel like silver 5 minutes, gold 10 minutes 22:34 jin_xi just give credits and a start button 22:35 jin_xi real arcade style 22:35 tsquar3d Ah... so you have to ask permission to get editing abilities? 22:35 RealBadAngel make it hardcore :) 22:35 jin_xi its not like you can craft your currency 22:35 tsquar3d Taoki: So, you're who I need to talk to about potential involvement? 22:35 RealBadAngel tsquar3d, wait a sec i will login 22:35 Taoki tsquar3d: I'm running the git branch, so yeah 22:36 tsquar3d Touche' 22:36 Taoki So far the code is ready with one exception: Some irrlicht functions aren't working like they should be 22:36 jin_xi boo 22:36 RealBadAngel Taoki, irrlicht went 1.8 22:36 Taoki *and made the code too... some things are rather complex sadly 22:36 RealBadAngel and we are using 1.7x 22:36 Taoki RealBadAngel: Nice. I'm using the one installed by my repository 22:37 RealBadAngel i was talkin bout it with Jeija today 22:37 tsquar3d Well, I dunno... I might be useful. :-/ 22:37 jin_xi please be 22:37 RealBadAngel archlinux users have 1.8 right now 22:37 RealBadAngel what are pros to move? 22:37 RealBadAngel it's faster 22:37 RealBadAngel Occlusion culling 22:37 RealBadAngel Improved support for 64-bit platforms 22:37 RealBadAngel Major OSX device improvements 22:37 RealBadAngel (copypaste from irrlicht.sourceforge.net) 22:37 RealBadAngel Increased stability (lots of bugfixes!) 22:38 jin_xi what about new bugs 22:38 RealBadAngel heheh 22:38 RealBadAngel minetest needs cosmetic changes to move to 1.8 22:39 RealBadAngel jeija got them ready 22:39 RealBadAngel all are about editboxes 22:39 RealBadAngel default fonts and background are white or somethin like this 22:40 tsquar3d So, the dev is all in C++, I take it? I know the scripting language is Lua... I'm a python programmer (hence using BGE for my gamedev). 22:40 RealBadAngel engine is in c++ 22:40 RealBadAngel all modding is done in LUA 22:42 RealBadAngel Taoki, it may happen that movin to 1.8 will eliminate some bugs youre fightin with 22:42 RealBadAngel worth a try 22:42 tsquar3d I see... any idea what modelling needs to be done? 22:42 Taoki RealBadAngel: When my Linux diostro updates that, it will move automatically 23:02 RealBadAngel goin to sleep 23:02 RealBadAngel cya around 23:02 tsquar3d 'night RealBadAngel 23:05 tsquar3d So, Taoki, what sort of models do you need? 23:05 Taoki tsquar3d: I can make the player one 23:06 Taoki I'd rather others wait for my example blend just to be safe 23:06 tsquar3d To get the style consistent? 23:06 tsquar3d I get that. 23:06 Taoki Unless they are experienced with animating for Irrlicht 23:06 Taoki that too 23:07 tsquar3d Ah... I've only ever done much with BGE. 23:08 tsquar3d *total blender head* 23:13 tsquar3d But... hey... let me know if/when I can assist. :-) 23:14 OldCoder RealBadAngel, c u 23:20 LandMine well well well look who is back 23:21 * NekoGloop has an MC gift card 23:22 Taoki tsquar3d: BGE is a nice game engine, though very limited. But Blender as a whole is a fantastic tool. Considering it's open source and the things you can create and render with it, it's pretty breathtaking on the big image 23:23 Taoki I did various things with it, so in time I pretty much learned Blender very well 23:23 tsquar3d Taoki: :-) 23:24 tsquar3d Yeah... there's not many people who use the game engine... especially as extensively as I do. Most of them just use it to model and then export their stuff to Unity or the like. 23:24 * LandMine already has MC :) 23:24 NekoGloop superflat customization ftw 23:27 tsquar3d Note to self.. be careful when trying to add lighting to your ice castle. 23:27 tsquar3d :-/ 23:28 NekoGloop tsquar3d: yeah, use glowglass. 23:31 OldCoder tsquar3d, or Lava Lamps 23:31 OldCoder :p 23:31 tsquar3d ... yeah.... 23:31 NekoGloop In an icehouse?! 23:32 tsquar3d Don't judge me. 23:32 NekoGloop not judging you 23:32 NekoGloop lava lamps in an icehouse. 23:32 tsquar3d :-p 23:32 NekoGloop you mad. 23:33 Octupus Hello 23:34 babyface1031 hi Octupus 23:34 Octupus im a mod on a MC server woot :) 23:36 Octupus Hi LandMine_ 23:58 tsquar3d Minetest needs guns. 23:58 VanessaE throwing mod.