Time  Nick           Message
00:01 Octupus        Adios every1
00:01 Octupus        have a good night
00:01 LandMine_      crap i d/c
00:01 LandMine_      if it didnt appear i said
00:01 LandMine_      on the 15th ill have a domain with no use
00:01 LandMine_      <LandMine> what should i do with it?
00:01 LandMine_      <LandMine> its planetminetest.com
00:02 NekoGloop      why will it be useles? killing the useless server are you?
00:02 LandMine_      its actually pretty active
00:03 LandMine_      and got big for the month it has been up
00:03 LandMine_      but i have probems in my world to be worrying about an online one
00:03 LandMine_      rolling back making backups and suck is tiring
00:03 NekoGloop      and millions of people have viruses i bet.
00:03 LandMine_      sure....thats exactlly what i did
00:03 LandMine_      anyhow
00:03 LandMine_      if you know if anyone whats a domain for there server
00:03 LandMine_      say i have one :)
00:03 LandMine_      but after the 15th
00:04 LandMine_      or if you have an idea for a site or something tell me and ill set it up :)
00:04 LandMine_      i haz 2 year paid reseller hositng
00:07 LandMine_      wow you guys have no good convos going on
00:07 LandMine_      wth
00:10 Doc22_         nekogloop: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=51319#p51319
00:12 NekoGloop      Doc22_: make the ores be overlays on default stone texture
00:12 Doc22_         how
00:12 NekoGloop      without a stone background in the image.
00:12 Doc22_         yeha
00:12 Doc22_         they are overlays
00:12 NekoGloop      look at pretty much any ores mod.
00:12 Doc22_         oh wait
00:12 Doc22_         i know
00:12 Doc22_         :P
00:12 NekoGloop      dont put the stone in the picture lol
00:12 NekoGloop      make it a transparent BG
00:13 Doc22_         it is transparent
00:13 Doc22_         but i made it have "stone.png" as the bg
00:13 Doc22_         O_d
00:13 NekoGloop      default_stone.png
00:13 Doc22_         lolz
00:15 Doc22_         its fixed
00:15 Doc22_         now to update the files -__
00:15 Doc22_         -_- *
00:25 NekoGloop      I guess a "shitton" is a technical term: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl5qSRldoEU&feature=relmfu
00:25 VanessaE       sure, it goes right up there with "metric assload".
00:25 VanessaE       :-)
00:26 NekoGloop      :3
00:31 Doc22_         lol
00:32 Doc22_         so NekoGloop
00:32 Doc22_         are you ready to play a little bit with me
00:32 Doc22_         or not
00:32 Doc22_         I have about 15 minutes
00:32 NekoGloop      pass :P
00:32 Doc22_         awww
00:32 Doc22_         :'(
00:34 Uberi          hey can anyone recommend a good Mesecons server?
00:35 Doc22_         my server
00:35 Doc22_         :3
00:35 NekoGloop      Uberi: nope :P
00:35 Doc22_         its survival though
00:35 Uberi          you have the latest Mesecons on it?
00:35 Doc22_         how od you know
00:35 NekoGloop      his server is only up when he feels like it though :3
00:35 Doc22_         yes
00:35 Doc22_         i can play a little bit now
00:35 Doc22_         want to?
00:35 Uberi          sorry, I have to take down the laundry in 5 mins
00:35 Doc22_         it gets lonely :-/
00:35 Doc22_         oh its fine
00:36 Uberi          I was working on a multiplication and division unit in Mesecons
00:37 Doc22_         awesome
00:37 NekoGloop      Uberi: hamachi?
00:37 Doc22_         i am interested in learning about things like this
00:37 Doc22_         sometime you should play with me
00:37 Uberi          NekoGloop: hmm?
00:37 Uberi          Doc22_: tell me if you're available and if I have the time, sure :)
00:37 NekoGloop      if you have hamachi i could host a server for as long as you like
00:38 Doc22_         ok
00:38 NekoGloop      I'm interested in how more complex mesecons machines work.,
00:38 Doc22_         yeah
00:38 Doc22_         me too
00:42 Octupus        Hola
00:42 Doc22_         hi
00:42 Uberi          hi Octupus
00:43 Octupus        :(
00:43 Octupus        Wrong face
00:43 Octupus        :)
00:43 NekoGloop      Uberi: have hamachi?
00:43 Octupus        @_@
00:43 NekoGloop      if so, you can build whatever you like with mesecons. i'll update right now.
00:43 Doc22_         octopus tonight later ill play with you on my server if you want
00:44 Doc22_         it will be off for a while though
00:44 Doc22_         till later
00:44 Uberi          NekoGloop: yep
00:44 NekoGloop      Lemme update mesecons then we're ready to go!
00:44 Uberi          I still need to figure out how to wire the partial product towers though
00:45 NekoGloop      the... what? :o
00:45 NekoGloop      Where the hell is the forum topic for mesecons?
00:45 Uberi          in basic multiplication circuits, we shift the partial products and sum them
00:46 Uberi          this is the "long multiplication" technique you learn in grade school
00:46 NekoGloop      I found the forum topic :3
00:46 Octupus        Doc I cannot play im on ma iPod
00:46 Doc22_         i know
00:46 Doc22_         later
00:46 Uberi          oh snap I need to go take down the laundry
00:46 NekoGloop      Uberi: any other mods you'd like? I can run with just mesecons if it suits your fancy?
00:47 Uberi|Away     NekoGloop: WorldEdit is really useful for the big stuff :)
00:47 NekoGloop      hm..
00:47 NekoGloop      would it be OK if i just ran my default set?
00:47 NekoGloop      which includes mesecons, worldedit, etc.
00:48 NekoGloop      oooh, a commandblock. Wuzzat. :P
00:49 Doc22_         gtg cya
00:50 Uberi          NekoGloop: oh I wrote that like 2 weeks ago
00:50 NekoGloop      well what is it?
00:50 Uberi          similar to the MC command block, it runs a chat command when powered
00:50 VanessaE       nice idea
00:50 Octupus        O
00:50 NekoGloop      -really-? so i can make a quarry with worldedit commands?
00:51 Octupus        Hi VanessaE
00:51 NekoGloop      :3
00:51 VanessaE       hi Octupus
00:51 Uberi          NekoGloop: yeah, you probably could
00:51 Octupus        I wasted abut 4 hours of my life today
00:51 NekoGloop      assuming we can have it run simple code and keep variables as well?
00:52 NekoGloop      Octupus: i do that every day.
00:52 Octupus        And I still need to fo my he
00:52 Octupus        *hw
00:52 NekoGloop      Right around 6:00 AM to 11:00 PM
00:52 NekoGloop      Time wasted.
00:52 Octupus        O
00:52 NekoGloop      :3
00:52 Octupus        :P
00:53 Uberi          NekoGloop: unfortunately no variables
00:53 Octupus        That's dry :/
00:53 Octupus        :p
00:53 Uberi          I dunno how that would work
00:53 Octupus        Looks like XD
00:53 NekoGloop      Uberi: add things to nodemeta.
00:53 Uberi          NekoGloop: but variables? how would we modify those dynamically?
00:54 NekoGloop      hrm...
00:54 NekoGloop      no idea.
00:56 Uberi          I was thinking of making RP2-like bussing wires, but those would probably be pretty difficult to implement
00:56 Uberi          plus it would be pretty overpowered in terms of gameplay
00:56 NekoGloop      hm..
00:56 NekoGloop      anyway, did you wanna start now? :P
00:56 VanessaE       Uberi: +100000000
00:57 VanessaE       make them :-)
00:57 Uberi          I have to fold the laundry, but that should only take ~5-10 mins :)
00:57 NekoGloop      alright
00:57 Uberi          VanessaE: I don't even get how wires work in the first place :P
00:57 NekoGloop      Uberi: not the foggiest.
00:57 VanessaE       heh
00:57 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYePE3KU-GE&feature=relmfu
00:57 NekoGloop      UU-Matter.
00:57 Octupus        How about making a fake mesecons that blows the shit out of everything in a 8 block radius
00:58 NekoGloop      we need it.
00:58 NekoGloop      so we can randomly craft shit.
00:58 Octupus        :3
00:59 MiJyn          hi guys
00:59 Uberi          hi MiJyn
00:59 Octupus        Hi
00:59 VanessaE       hi MiJyn
00:59 Octupus        I'm an Octupus
01:00 Octupus        :P
01:00 Uberi          I'm thinking of this sort of tech tree: fiber & dye -> colored fiber, mesecon + colored fiber -> insulated mesecon, 3 mesecon & 3 colored fiber -> bus
01:00 Uberi          not too expensive, not too chep
01:00 Uberi          * cheap
01:00 VanessaE       Uberi: +1
01:00 NekoGloop      I'm a cat-boy gloop thing.
01:01 NekoGloop      Like my avatar on the forums.
01:01 NekoGloop      Because i finally bothered to make one
01:01 FreeFull       Gloop gloop
01:01 Octupus        :3
01:03 Uberi          where do all my lost socks go :/
01:04 Octupus        I may have found them :3
01:04 NekoGloop      Uberi: behind the dryer.
01:05 Uberi          but before making bussing we need to fix the wierd hack that is the up/down piston
01:05 Uberi          and I still don't know why param2type = "wallmounted" refuses to work
01:05 VanessaE       because it's paramtype2
01:05 VanessaE       not param2type
01:06 Uberi          *facepalm*
01:06 NekoGloop      because wallmounted doesnt change the textures like it should.
01:06 Uberi          man why didn't I notice that
01:06 VanessaE       Uberi: tired maybe?
01:07 NekoGloop      We need to be able to have leaves that dont decay...
01:07 VanessaE       someone added those recently.
01:08 NekoGloop      camomod
01:08 NekoGloop      not what i mean
01:08 VanessaE       camouflage mod
01:08 VanessaE       or use the ones from jungle trees :-)
01:08 Uberi          ah well, time for some MT :)
01:08 NekoGloop      i mean default:leaves dont decay if placed.
01:08 NekoGloop      Uberi: so time to start up my server-thingy?
01:09 Octupus        Yes :)
01:09 Uberi          yep!
01:09 Uberi          what's the address?
01:09 NekoGloop      Its hamachi :P
01:09 VanessaE       ew.
01:09 NekoGloop      I dont run it publicly.
01:09 Uberi          oh right
01:15 M13            hello
01:15 Uberi          hi M13
01:15 M13            how is OldCoder OP here?
01:15 M13            thats not cool :/
01:15 Uberi          he provides a valuable service to the community
01:15 M13            how?
01:15 M13            Servers?
01:16 Uberi          I assume that is the case
01:16 M13            hmmm
01:16 M13            I need my server hosted that is why im here
01:16 M13            I cant host from my home no more :/
01:16 Uberi          looking for a server host?
01:17 M13            is there a way to make my server run on host1free VPS
01:17 M13            0.3.1 servers run great on it but 0.4.3 dont :/
01:17 M13            and yes I am
01:17 M13            can you?
01:17 Uberi          'fraid not, I turn off my computer every night
01:18 M13            ok
01:18 M13            hmm
01:18 M13            can you help me with my server problems?
01:19 Uberi          I'll do my best
01:19 M13            can you make the VPS internet connection faster
01:19 M13            :P
01:19 M13            is there a way??
01:19 Uberi          sure, just speed up time in the server room
01:19 Uberi          create a localized time distortion field
01:20 M13            is it free?
01:20 M13            and does it work with Linux?
01:20 Uberi          no, but you can buy a portable time dilation field at your local walmart
01:20 M13            Ubuntu ^
01:21 M13            damn
01:21 M13            I hate Walmart
01:21 M13            plus I dont have money
01:21 M13            do you know any other from VPS?
01:22 M13            in, or around North America
01:23 M13            hello??
01:24 Octupus        HELLO
01:24 Octupus        :)
01:24 M13            uberi??
01:24 Octupus        Ask coder where his vps is located
01:24 M13            idk
01:25 Octupus        Maybe he can help u set 1 up
01:25 M13            OldCoder is not around
01:25 M13            and I dont want to pay for VPS
01:25 Octupus        That's id how life goes m13
01:25 Octupus        Nothing is free
01:26 M13            that is not true
01:26 M13            Host1free VPS is free :P
01:26 Uberi          M13: no idea :P
01:26 M13            I have it, and that is what my 0.3.1 server iis running on
01:26 M13            ok Uberi
01:27 M13            Im going to go code on my github
01:27 Octupus        Yes but if u want something with high quality u pay for it
01:28 Octupus        WoOOooO Chelsea
01:29 Octupus        Peter Cech
01:46 M13            Vanessa, are you here???
01:46 M13            if so please respond
01:46 Octupus        I'm here :)
01:47 M13            lol can you use github?
01:48 Octupus        Yes a bit :)
01:48 M13            can you add folders to github through the site?
01:48 Octupus        Which site
01:49 M13            or can you create new .sh files in the site?
01:49 M13            github.com :P
01:49 Octupus        Oh
01:49 Octupus        I believe u an do both
01:49 M13            or do you have to push
01:50 Octupus        ?
01:50 M13            nvm
01:50 Octupus        :/
01:51 Octupus        He's mean :/
02:01 Octupus        In lonely :~|
02:01 NekoGloop      Octupus: here, have a cookie
02:02 * NekoGloop    gives Octu a cookie :3
02:02 Octupus        Yay :)
02:02 * Octupus      eats the cookie
02:03 Muadtralk      hello
02:03 babyface1031   hi
02:03 Octupus        Hi babyface1031,and Muadtralk
02:03 Octupus        :)
02:03 Muadtralk      would anyone be willing to help me restore gamebooms subway system?
02:03 Muadtralk      its fallen into such a bad state
02:04 Octupus        I can help
02:04 Muadtralk      you know where everything is down there?
02:04 Octupus        Ghostshell gave u he map
02:04 Octupus        Ik most about that map
02:04 Muadtralk      cause someone thought it would be funny to steal the signs
02:04 Muadtralk      then please come o
02:05 Muadtralk      on*
02:05 Octupus        Cannot
02:05 Muadtralk      if you could
02:05 Octupus        iPod fried
02:05 Muadtralk      okay then
02:05 Octupus        *friend
02:05 Octupus        Typos :-|
02:06 Muadtralk      okay anyone else with knowledge of the subway system
02:07 Muadtralk      i know it but if you let me do it alone i will most likely cover up any new tunnels and focus only on old ones
02:07 Uberi          hey Muadtralk, restoring the subway system?
02:07 Muadtralk      hoping to
02:07 Muadtralk      i have a few things only accessable through that
02:07 Muadtralk      which i dont believe i can reach anymore
02:08 Uberi          in survival mode?
02:08 Muadtralk      i would think so
02:08 Muadtralk      after all its gameboom
02:09 Doc22          Uberi are you still interested in playing with me
02:09 Doc22          survival
02:09 Doc22          Oh and hey Oldcoder
02:10 Uberi          Doc22: I'm playing on NekoGloop's server right now, building a Mesecons multiplier
02:10 Doc22          oh cool can i join
02:10 Doc22          Nekogloop
02:11 Uberi          you might have to ask NekoGloop about that :)
02:11 Doc22          can you ask him
02:11 NekoGloop      Nope. :l
02:11 Doc22          why not?
02:11 Doc22          :'(
02:11 Doc22          im an engineer
02:11 NekoGloop      because i dont know you enough
02:11 Doc22          oh i see
02:11 Doc22          back up world (even though i dont grief)
02:11 Doc22          ?
02:12 NekoGloop      I dont bother.
02:13 Doc22          :'(
02:13 Doc22          i am so lonely.
02:13 Muadtralk      help me on gameboom then
02:14 Doc22          wait....
02:14 Doc22          it shows your ip
02:14 Doc22          so if i wanted i could join
02:14 Doc22          but you would kick me cuz you dont know me
02:14 NekoGloop      The password has changed.
02:14 Doc22          :'(
02:15 Muadtralk      and it would be uncourteous
02:15 Doc22          thats why i didnt
02:15 Doc22          babyface wanna play with me
02:15 Doc22          babyface10301
02:15 Doc22          babyface1031
02:16 Doc22          want to play with me
02:16 babyface1031   where
02:16 Doc22          ill pm you
02:16 babyface1031   ok
02:17 Doc22          starting server now
02:18 Uberi          hi Octupus
02:18 Doc22          yeah hi
02:18 Octupus        Hello
02:18 babyface1031   Wb
02:19 Octupus        :)
02:27 OldCoder       <M13> how is OldCoder OP here?
02:27 OldCoder       <M13> thats not cool :/
02:27 OldCoder       M13 how kind of you
02:34 OldCoder       What was M13 talking about?
02:34 OldCoder       I will return in a little while
02:35 Doc22          Octupus are you on a pc
02:35 Doc22          if so then want to join me and baby
02:41 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9TE5lewtZc
02:43 Uberi          oh I should get some rest today
02:44 NekoGloop      someone explain why minetest.register_alias doesnt seem to be working on rubber trees?
02:45 RealBadAngel   hi
02:45 RealBadAngel   somethin is fucked up with aliases
02:45 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: register a goddamn alias for farming:rubber_tree and the like
02:45 RealBadAngel   for example using them in shapeless recipes doesnt work
02:46 NekoGloop      well i know that.
02:47 NekoGloop      But i should be able to have farming:rubber_tree_full aliased to technic:rubber_tree_full and have all instances of farming:rubber_tree_full in my minetest-world changed to technic:rubber_tree_full, correct?
02:47 Doc22          i guess
02:48 Doc22          ima leave to free up my pcs memory
02:50 RealBadAngel   NekoGloop, hold on a while with aliases
02:50 RealBadAngel   pilzadam is moving farmin to default
02:50 RealBadAngel   so there will be changes for sure
02:50 NekoGloop      but i want my fucking treetap to work on farming:rubber_tree_full
02:50 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: that mod will have practically nothing in it
02:50 NekoGloop      just wheat and cotton IIRC
02:51 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6g0auvcJs :3
02:51 RealBadAngel   so maybe we just include rubber_tree.lua again
02:52 NekoGloop      so... you're missing the fact that c55 wants minetest_game to be as barren as possible?
02:52 RealBadAngel   the tree code was moved to technic long time ago
02:52 NekoGloop      I know.
02:53 NekoGloop      but trees that had generated with farming werent transferred.
02:53 NekoGloop      So i'm staring at this giant heap of ugly unknown blocks.
02:54 RealBadAngel   so just remove them and plant other ones
02:54 NekoGloop      You seem to be missing something.
02:54 RealBadAngel   what?
02:54 NekoGloop      I dont have rubber tree saplings because farming:rubber_leaves is undefined.
02:54 RealBadAngel   wait a sec
02:55 NekoGloop      I HAVE A RUBBER TREE FROM FARMING
02:55 NekoGloop      I WANT IT TO BE ALIASED TO TECHNIC
02:55 NekoGloop      HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND??!
02:56 RealBadAngel   shut up and lemme try
02:57 RealBadAngel   cant you just move to technic:rubber_tree ?
02:57 NekoGloop      CANT YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND I'M TRYING THAT?!?!?!?!?!
02:58 RealBadAngel   add this to technic init.lua
02:58 RealBadAngel   dofile(modpath.."/rubber.lua")
02:58 NekoGloop      that's already there, retard.
02:59 NekoGloop      I want rubber trees generated with the farming mod.
02:59 NekoGloop      to be recognized by technic.
03:00 RealBadAngel   than change to treetap shall be done
03:00 NekoGloop      you are a fucking retard.
03:01 NekoGloop      And I'm being nice saying that.
03:01 RealBadAngel   to not to check for <modname>:rubber_tree but just for rubber_tree
03:01 NekoGloop      wait what.
03:02 NekoGloop      why the hell do you not have your rubber.lua called by default.
03:02 NekoGloop      fucking retarded code...
03:03 NekoGloop      all that was needed was for your rubber trees to actually be loaded.
03:03 NekoGloop      and this idiotic code didnt have such happen.
03:03 RealBadAngel   i made this because i thought pilzadam removed the tree
03:03 NekoGloop      HE DID
03:03 NekoGloop      I HAD AN OLD VERSION
03:03 NekoGloop      WHAT FUCKING PART OF THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!
03:04 RealBadAngel   he just moved it to farming_plus
03:04 NekoGloop      and you expect us to magically have farming_plus?
03:04 RealBadAngel   well im not the author of neither farming mods
03:05 NekoGloop      this is the kind of crap that I've grown to expect from you.
03:05 RealBadAngel   :P
03:06 RealBadAngel   just load technic's lua for it
03:06 RealBadAngel   and use technic one
03:06 NekoGloop      like, renaming your files every week so i get a folder filled with shit?
03:06 RealBadAngel   i dont change file names too often
03:06 NekoGloop      and not appriciating the code of beginner modders?
03:07 NekoGloop      and not really giving a fuck about the people who actually have good ideas?
03:07 RealBadAngel   with the last i was wrong, and i already said sorry
03:07 NekoGloop      And I still dont care what you say now.
03:08 RealBadAngel   with the ideas, im listenin to what ppl are sayin
03:08 RealBadAngel   many changes were made after posts in technic topic
03:09 NekoGloop      Not talking about technic.
03:09 RealBadAngel   and i really do like segfaults22 ideas for nuclear stuff
03:09 NekoGloop      Talking about C++ formspec changes made from idiot thoughts
03:10 RealBadAngel   i do have now a bit more time so i will try to explain the changes again
03:10 RealBadAngel   the changes do not affect DEFAULT game
03:10 RealBadAngel   at all
03:10 NekoGloop      ...
03:10 NekoGloop      I've given up listening to such crap.
03:10 RealBadAngel   its an option to be used by texture pack creators only
03:10 NekoGloop      Anyway, rubber tree texture: http://ompldr.org/vZzZxbQ
03:11 RealBadAngel   if you want textured guis just load texture pack that uses them
03:11 RealBadAngel   if you dont like them just dont download such texture packs
03:11 NekoGloop      Should said texture pack take up an insane amount of disc space?
03:11 RealBadAngel   its as simple as that
03:12 NekoGloop      This is stupidity.
03:12 NekoGloop      To the highest possible degree.
03:12 RealBadAngel   why insane?
03:12 NekoGloop      because with your implementation every single thing needs its own fucking image.
03:13 NekoGloop      but since you refuse to listen to logic let's move on.
03:13 RealBadAngel   as everythin
03:13 RealBadAngel   one gui, one image
03:13 RealBadAngel   not 1200 images like vanessa calculated in some weird way
03:14 NekoGloop      For each and every thing that needs a formspec
03:14 NekoGloop      there is one image.
03:15 RealBadAngel   i just did it the very same way as minecraft does it
03:15 NekoGloop      one image, that takes up ~200Mb disc space
03:15 RealBadAngel   lol
03:15 RealBadAngel   lemme check
03:15 NekoGloop      imagine 50 or so things needing a BG image.
03:16 NekoGloop      I, for one, refuse to use this idiotic method.
03:16 NekoGloop      And i dare you to find someone who will.
03:16 RealBadAngel   image for electric furnace takes 60kB
03:17 RealBadAngel   made in 36x
03:17 NekoGloop      you're missing the point...
03:17 NekoGloop      the point of minetest.
03:17 NekoGloop      Tell me, what is that?
03:17 RealBadAngel   customization
03:17 RealBadAngel   youre missing it
03:18 NekoGloop      A sense of logic. You seem to be lacking one.
03:18 NekoGloop      Why have one giant background image be mandatory?
03:18 RealBadAngel   no, i just want to have nice lookin textureable GUIs
03:18 RealBadAngel   its not mandatory for fucks sake
03:18 NekoGloop      With my method, yours is totally overlapped.
03:18 NekoGloop      Textures can be done in your style if they like
03:18 RealBadAngel   who told you it is????
03:19 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: you did.
03:19 RealBadAngel   its A FUCKIN OPTION
03:19 NekoGloop      If i wanna make a texture for the GUI background, I have to make fucking giant image.
03:19 RealBadAngel   yes
03:19 NekoGloop      But since you wont slow down and listen, as always, I guess there's no point in me trying to explain.
03:20 RealBadAngel   im patient, go ahead and explain your idea
03:20 NekoGloop      You have a funny way of showing it.
03:20 NekoGloop      alright here goes:
03:21 NekoGloop      Inventory images can be split up like so: "inventory_slot.png", "inventory_bg.png", "inventory_slot_fg.png", etc.
03:21 NekoGloop      Formspec-image-generate-thing reads these images.
03:21 NekoGloop      Tiles "inventory_bg.png" in the background
03:22 NekoGloop      Places copies of "inventory_slot.png" behind the inventory slots
03:22 NekoGloop      Places images of the inventory contents in the slots.
03:22 NekoGloop      Places copies of "inventory_slot_fg.png" on top of those.
03:22 NekoGloop      Then, if applicable, tiles "inventory_fg.png" on top of all of this.
03:23 RealBadAngel   what for foregrounds?
03:23 NekoGloop      hm?
03:23 RealBadAngel   bg and fg
03:23 RealBadAngel   what for fg?
03:23 RealBadAngel   bg is enough
03:24 NekoGloop      depends on the tastes of the texture creator
03:24 NekoGloop      after all, it's about customization, right?
03:24 NekoGloop      if one wants to do a MC style inventory image...
03:24 NekoGloop      (though i dont see the practibility)...
03:24 NekoGloop      just call such "inventory_bg.png"
03:25 NekoGloop      leaving the rest of the images blank.
03:25 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: http://ompldr.org/vZzZxbQ Rubber tree texture.
03:25 RealBadAngel   if some1 does he can use my way and just copy minecraft images
03:25 RealBadAngel   nice texture
03:25 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: Your method is entirely encompassed by mine.
03:26 NekoGloop      "inventory_bg.png" could be unneccessarily large MC-style background if one likes.
03:26 RealBadAngel   with my method you can have specifix GUIs with drawn elements
03:27 RealBadAngel   with yours you will end with simple same slots and a background eventually
03:27 NekoGloop      Ah, but I havent finished.
03:28 NekoGloop      One could specify if a grid of inventory slots has a different image.
03:28 NekoGloop      and in formspec, one could specify different inventory_bg and inventory_fg to load as well.
03:29 RealBadAngel   youre talkin now of complete rewrite of formspec handling the inventories
03:29 NekoGloop      This is all more logical than your method.
03:30 NekoGloop      i mean new aspects added to formspec details.
03:30 NekoGloop      [images]background;foreground
03:30 RealBadAngel   your method is a) way harder to code b) will produce simple same lookin guis
03:31 RealBadAngel   and if some will try to make better lookin one
03:31 NekoGloop      your wrong on one thing: I JUST FUCKING SAID THE FORMSPEC CAN SPECIFY DIFFERENT IMAGES FOR ITSELF
03:31 RealBadAngel   will have to figure out where to put the tiles
03:32 NekoGloop      much better than guesswork involved with making your images line up with how minetest inventories work.
03:32 RealBadAngel   in fact formspec does it by default
03:32 RealBadAngel   it draws inventory slot rectangles
03:32 RealBadAngel   those grey ones
03:32 NekoGloop      exacty
03:32 NekoGloop      make those draw an image instead of ugly grey square
03:33 NekoGloop      and have formspecs have tiled backgrounds.
03:33 RealBadAngel   i can do that
03:33 RealBadAngel   but just 2 different tiles
03:33 NekoGloop      make it draw an image based on the contents of the formspec.
03:33 RealBadAngel   slot and background
03:34 NekoGloop      if not specified, default to inventory_slot.png
03:34 RealBadAngel   ok, i will make it
03:34 NekoGloop      I know just about no C++ but already know such is possible.
03:35 RealBadAngel   but my method will be here also
03:35 RealBadAngel   so it will be up for texture makers which way to choose
03:35 NekoGloop      my method encompasses yours.
03:36 NekoGloop      If inventory_slot.png is completely transparent, and inventory_bg.png is set up like yours, then it is exactly the same as yours would be.
03:36 RealBadAngel   with your method you will get simple, same lookin guis for every formspec
03:36 NekoGloop      no no no no no no no no no  no n o no
03:36 RealBadAngel   yes
03:36 NekoGloop      this is what i meant
03:36 NekoGloop      you dont fucking LISTEN
03:37 RealBadAngel   every slot lookin the same, every background the same
03:37 RealBadAngel   no hand drawn elements
03:37 NekoGloop      let me re-explain, because you seem to have missed something.
03:37 RealBadAngel   like frames, symbols and such
03:38 NekoGloop      never mind... you seem to think minetest needs to sacrifice logic for looking like a game priced at $100...
03:39 RealBadAngel   you will be messing with tiles to get somethin nice, i will just open premade grid in gimp
03:39 RealBadAngel   put there slots, different ones when i choose to, add some frames, fill the background, add some animations to it
03:39 RealBadAngel   and just save the image
03:39 NekoGloop      obviously my opinion means nothing to the false god.
03:39 RealBadAngel   it does
03:40 RealBadAngel   i said already i will implement your way too
03:40 NekoGloop      obviously my opinion means nothing to even a community small as this.
03:41 RealBadAngel   are you selective blind or something?
03:41 RealBadAngel   i said i will implement your way
03:41 NekoGloop      Are you selective stupid or something?
03:42 NekoGloop      I do pay attention to everything you say.
03:42 NekoGloop      It's really easy to piece it together.
03:42 NekoGloop      And such makes lies really easy to detect.
03:42 thexyz         OldCoder: it worked for me
03:43 NekoGloop      You dont give a shit.
03:43 RealBadAngel   so you will use your way
03:43 RealBadAngel   i will use mine
03:43 RealBadAngel   whats wrong with it?
03:43 NekoGloop      to you, i know it's "your way or the highway"
03:43 babyface1031_  night
03:43 Doc22          night
03:44 RealBadAngel   because i have different taste, so Haven texture pack will use another method
03:44 RealBadAngel   for your taste you will be able to change those tiles pngs
03:44 NekoGloop      And my texture pack will use nothing.
03:45 RealBadAngel   as i said, all is up to texture pack makers
03:45 RealBadAngel   nothing forced, just an option
03:46 Muadtralk      i heard textures
03:46 RealBadAngel   http://www.realbadangel.pl/inventory3.png
03:46 NekoGloop      I dunno, all i hear is "I dont really care but I'm telling you i care so you shut up"
03:47 RealBadAngel   such textures, hi Muadtralk
03:47 Doc22          does anyone want to play with me?
03:47 Muadtralk      those batteries look like shite!
03:47 Muadtralk      who made them?
03:48 NekoGloop      he did.,
03:48 Muadtralk      um maybe i was too blunt with that
03:48 Doc22          lol if its in inventory3.png
03:48 Doc22          then its a copper coil
03:48 Muadtralk      sorry if i crushed anyones toes
03:48 Doc22          lol
03:48 NekoGloop      Muadtralk: http://ompldr.org/vZzZxbQ Rubber tree.
03:48 Muadtralk      image or link?
03:48 Doc22          very nice
03:49 NekoGloop      image
03:49 Muadtralk      good
03:49 NekoGloop      yes i know it's smoother than the other trees; it's supposed to be.
03:49 Doc22          i like it
03:50 NekoGloop      and i bet you dont even really know what it is :3
03:50 Doc22          rubber tree...
03:50 Muadtralk      you told us man
03:50 NekoGloop      Beyond what it's called :P
03:51 Muadtralk      node
03:51 Muadtralk      bits
03:51 RealBadAngel   hehehe
03:51 Muadtralk      0101010
04:03 RealBadAngel   NekoGloop, i will add option to use built-in rubber tree to config
04:03 * VanessaE     peeks back in.
04:04 RealBadAngel   hi VanessaE
04:04 NekoGloop      VanessaE: welcome to hell.
04:04 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: not to rehash a previous argument, but..
04:04 VanessaE       your idea sucks.
04:04 VanessaE       sorry.
04:04 VanessaE       :)
04:04 NekoGloop      VanessaE: hell has rubber trees: http://ompldr.org/vZzZxbQ
04:04 VanessaE       NekoGloop: saw them.
04:04 NekoGloop      ok, what do you think? :l
04:04 VanessaE       looks okay I guess
04:04 RealBadAngel   VanessaE, i will provide tools for both ways, building out of tiles and using single image
04:05 RealBadAngel   so every1 should be happy
04:05 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: ok.  as long as the texture-pack-supplied images can *completely* override whatever the mod supplies.
04:05 VanessaE       so,
04:05 NekoGloop      I'll only be happy when RealBadAngel learns to listen to me.
04:05 RealBadAngel   its not mod case, it never was
04:06 RealBadAngel   those are options for texture pack makers only
04:06 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: well no, but a mod that supports this idea surely will need to specify image filenames to be used.
04:06 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: ok, challenge:
04:06 NekoGloop      I dare you to find someone who supports RBA's idea.
04:06 NekoGloop      no, you cant go to #minecraft.
04:07 VanessaE       RealBadAngel:  how do you plan to give the regular survival-mode inventory display a texture, but not break in creative mode?
04:07 VanessaE       (recall that creative inventory uses a different formspec for the same function)
04:07 RealBadAngel   you will see
04:07 NekoGloop      at least with my method, creative inventory isnt broken.
04:08 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Bp98h2FZu8o
04:08 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: what you need to do is exactly this, and nothing more:  Allow each node that uses formspec specify the image to be used for the UI, and ALSO make your code read from a standardized set of tileable images to build ALL formspec UIs from if such an image is not supplied for a given node.
04:08 NekoGloop      VanessaE: this is precisely what i said
04:09 RealBadAngel   so i said i will implement that way too
04:09 VanessaE       NekoGloop: I assumed that was what you meant - just re-stating it.
04:09 NekoGloop      I dont think hearing it from someone else will make the false god listen.
04:09 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: ok, so you're saying that if I supply a handful of tileable images, every node with a formspec will use them?
04:09 RealBadAngel   NekoGloop, will you just stop whinning? I ALREADY SAID SEVERAL TIMES I WILL IMPLEMENT YOUR WAY
04:10 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: will you stop lying? :3
04:10 RealBadAngel   dont push it
04:10 NekoGloop      I'm not pushing anything.
04:10 NekoGloop      Not anything that will happen, anyway.
04:10 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: ok.  good.  Now, if some mod with a formspec says "use this image as the UI", will my supplied, tileable formspec textures override that, or will that mod's pink-on-green-with-blue-text mess show up instead?
04:11 VanessaE       which takes precedence?
04:11 RealBadAngel   im off to work now
04:11 VanessaE       wait.
04:11 VanessaE       answer that ^^^^
04:11 RealBadAngel   will explain it to you later today
04:11 NekoGloop      its time for him to not give a fuck.
04:11 RealBadAngel   dont have any more time
04:11 RealBadAngel   sorry
04:11 VanessaE       *grumble*
04:11 RealBadAngel   bus wont wait for me
04:11 VanessaE       I REALLY HATE when people do this, RBA.
04:12 NekoGloop      get a car.
04:12 NekoGloop      or a bike.
04:13 NekoGloop      VanessaE: so, anyway, what part of the rubber tree didnt appeal to you?
04:13 VanessaE       NekoGloop: just the fact that it's a 16px texture :-)
04:13 NekoGloop      haha.
04:13 NekoGloop      Well that's the point.
04:13 NekoGloop      Look great and not bloat loading times.
04:14 NekoGloop      Honestly I see no difference ingame between 256x and 16x
04:14 NekoGloop      other than one takes for-ever to load.
04:14 VanessaE       it depends as much on the style of the texture pack as its resolution
04:16 VanessaE       after all, you can't say that the default textures look the same as minetoon or HDX :-)
04:16 VanessaE       (and those are 250px I think, and 512px)
04:16 NekoGloop      I can.
04:16 NekoGloop      It's just not true. :3
04:17 VanessaE       hah!
04:19 NekoGloop      tbh i think we need less resolution
04:19 VanessaE       heh
04:19 NekoGloop      if it's too high-res, the blocky-ness of minetest makes it look like crap,
04:19 VanessaE       no, we just need a faster rendering engine
04:19 NekoGloop      I mean just visually
04:19 NekoGloop      if it's too high-res, the blocky-ness of minetest makes it look like crap,
04:19 VanessaE       eh, well maybe
04:19 VanessaE       but again it depends on the style of the textures
04:20 NekoGloop      I could go for 32x or possibly 64x
04:20 NekoGloop      but 512x? overkill in a game like this.
04:20 NekoGloop      same for 250x
04:20 VanessaE       I know :-)
04:20 VanessaE       that's why I did it
04:20 NekoGloop      and 128x...
04:20 NekoGloop      VanessaE: at least you didnt do 1080x like the one MC pack...
04:20 VanessaE       fuck no
04:20 NekoGloop      loading time == nil.
04:20 Doc22          LOL
04:20 VanessaE       THAT is truly overkill
04:25 NekoGloop      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6g0auvcJs
04:25 NekoGloop      hrm... I think the treetap recipe's a bit overkill
04:26 NekoGloop      at least, considering the cost of pipes.
04:26 NekoGloop      pipes/tubes/whatever
04:26 NekoGloop      Anyway, I'm off to bed.
04:26 VanessaE       pipes are cheap
04:26 NekoGloop      Night y'all.
04:26 VanessaE       in pipeworks' original recipes anyway
04:26 NekoGloop      VanessaE: not in technic.
04:26 VanessaE       just need a bunch of leaves :-)
04:26 NekoGloop      Stainless steel is a bitch to make.
04:27 NekoGloop      Steel + Chromium.
04:27 NekoGloop      And an alloy furnace.
04:27 NekoGloop      which i can never find clay :P{
04:27 VanessaE       it's too early for bed
04:27 VanessaE       dammit
04:40 Doc22          mmmmmm klondike bar
04:46 OldCoder       Then don't go to bed
04:46 VanessaE       I meant for neko
04:46 Doc22          lol what a simple solution
04:47 VanessaE       he usually doesn't crash until about midnight my time
04:47 OldCoder       k
04:48 Doc22          whats happening oldcoder
04:48 OldCoder       Doc22, This has been an odder than usual week for me. I am attempting to organize things again.
04:49 OldCoder       I have done new builds
04:49 Doc22          oh ok
04:49 OldCoder       If the servers are still running
04:49 OldCoder       then I will attempt Windows versions of the clients
04:49 OldCoder       including a patch that NekoGloop wanted
04:49 Doc22          awesome
04:49 Doc22          well sounds busty
04:49 Doc22          busy
04:49 OldCoder       with luck I may even get LevelDB running under Windows
04:49 Doc22          awesome
04:49 OldCoder       Are Gems working in the worlds?
04:49 OldCoder       That is a new addition
04:49 Doc22          yea
04:50 Doc22          wait
04:50 Doc22          in my mod
04:50 Doc22          yes
04:50 Doc22          ....
04:50 Doc22          i have still been using 0.4.3
04:51 OldCoder       <babyface1031_> hi we cant get the opals cause the world stops at -1000
04:52 OldCoder       VanessaE, comment? Or would this be just NekoGloop
04:52 VanessaE       ?
04:53 VanessaE       I don't understand the question
04:53 OldCoder       She is reporting a problem
04:53 OldCoder       Can you comment?
04:54 VanessaE       I have no comment on that.  I'm unfamiliar with the mod she refers to, or the reason the world stops at -1000.
05:01 OldCoder       t y VanessaE
05:02 sokomine       why does the world stop at -1000? server set that way?
05:05 Doc22          idk
05:05 Doc22          amupme want to play with me
05:06 Doc22          anyone*
05:06 Doc22          wanna play with me
05:09 OldCoder       Doc22, I would but I need to build more MT
05:09 Doc22          ohkay
05:09 OldCoder       sokomine, Not sure it does. Needs to be looked at.
05:10 Doc22          i just get lonely :-/
05:10 OldCoder       Other people will join over time
05:10 Doc22          yes i suppose
05:11 sokomine       calinous server did end at -1000
05:11 OldCoder       It is very likely
05:11 OldCoder       Hmm
05:11 Doc22          hrmmmm
05:11 OldCoder       Is -1000 normal?
05:11 Doc22          no its -31000
05:11 Doc22          nrmally
05:11 Doc22          normally
05:12 Doc22          i think
05:12 sokomine       no. some server use some kind of protection so that you can't dig deeper then -1000
05:12 Doc22          hrmmmm
05:13 OldCoder       Interesting
05:13 OldCoder       I thought I had removed node owner
05:13 OldCoder       Node Protect may still be there
05:14 OldCoder       But if I remove it
05:14 OldCoder       Will a world need to be regenerated to get more depth?
05:14 OldCoder       Needs also to be looked at
05:14 Doc22          hrmmm
05:14 Doc22          ill help test if you want
05:14 OldCoder       Yes
05:14 OldCoder       Hold on
05:14 Doc22          ill be your lab rat
05:14 OldCoder       Checking mod list
05:14 * Doc22        squeaks
05:14 OldCoder       Run the maze
05:14 OldCoder       Cheese waits
05:15 OldCoder       I am reviewing
05:15 * Doc22        squeaks agreeably
05:15 OldCoder       Hmm
05:15 OldCoder       Doc22, have you joined all the worlds?
05:15 Doc22          no
05:15 OldCoder       I will interact you en masse if so
05:15 Doc22          ok
05:15 Doc22          i havent
05:15 OldCoder       Doc22, join every world that interests you
05:15 OldCoder       Then exit
05:15 Doc22          ill do that if you want
05:15 OldCoder       Sure
05:15 OldCoder       Proceed
05:15 OldCoder       Does not need to be all
05:15 OldCoder       Review list
05:15 Doc22          ohkay
05:15 OldCoder       http://minetest.org/
05:15 OldCoder       Join ones that interest you
05:15 OldCoder       Then exit
05:15 Doc22          i shall be expecting cheese....
05:16 OldCoder       Of course
05:16 OldCoder       I will request a cheese mod
05:16 OldCoder       Surely somebody will oblige over time
05:16 * Doc22        squeaks ha;;ily
05:16 Doc22          happily*
05:16 Doc22          ok on 30000
05:16 Doc22          it says "exception "bad"
05:16 Doc22          client crash...
05:17 OldCoder       Ouch
05:17 * Doc22        squeaks in frustration
05:17 OldCoder       Which client?
05:17 OldCoder       Maybe I should build the new Windows client
05:17 Doc22          the one that comes with download
05:17 OldCoder       Download from where?
05:17 OldCoder       Is this Windows?
05:17 OldCoder       Try mine
05:17 OldCoder       I can link you
05:17 Doc22          minetest.com windows
05:17 OldCoder       Nah
05:17 OldCoder       Try mine
05:17 Doc22          no wait
05:17 OldCoder       Hold on
05:17 Doc22          its .net
05:17 OldCoder       Go on
05:17 OldCoder       Wait
05:18 OldCoder       http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html#SECTION02
05:18 OldCoder       Get the 30MB Windows version from there
05:18 OldCoder       Worth a try
05:18 Doc22          downloading nauw
05:18 * Doc22        squeaks while waiting for download
05:20 Doc22          looks the same as the one i was using
05:20 * Doc22        squeaks with familiarity
05:21 Doc22          oldcoder...
05:21 Doc22          30001 works
05:23 OldCoder       anunakki, Hi
05:23 OldCoder       Doc22, good
05:23 Doc22          hey
05:23 Doc22          ohkay
05:23 OldCoder       Doc22, proceed with a few others
05:23 Doc22          you saw it
05:23 Doc22          ok
05:24 OldCoder       And I will mass interact you
05:24 Doc22          ok
05:24 Doc22          and make me admin
05:24 Doc22          (jk
05:24 Doc22          )
05:24 OldCoder       In time
05:24 Doc22          im joking
05:24 OldCoder       I will have more VPS and more worlds
05:24 Doc22          i know that ive been here for a week only
05:24 Doc22          i dont know that it is worth it
05:24 Doc22          not many people play on it
05:24 Doc22          you should make a link to it
05:25 Doc22          they are awesome
05:25 Doc22          but it just seems like there arent enough people
05:25 Doc22          on minetest.net you should make a link
05:25 Doc22          30002 works
05:25 * Doc22        is becoming more impatient for cheese
05:26 OldCoder       The cheese will be interact for tonight
05:26 OldCoder       You will have access everywhere
05:26 * Doc22        squeaks questionably
05:26 * Doc22        squeaks happily
05:26 * Doc22        squeaks with approval
05:27 OldCoder       Very well
05:27 VanessaE       bbl.
05:27 OldCoder       Continue joining worlds
05:27 OldCoder       VanessaE, Hi
05:27 VanessaE       bedtime for me.
05:27 Doc22          testing 30003
05:27 Doc22          night
05:27 OldCoder       VanessaE, any comment
05:27 OldCoder       on -1000 issue?
05:27 VanessaE       nope, sorry
05:27 OldCoder       I will have him dig a world or two
05:27 VanessaE       night all
05:27 VanessaE       ->
05:27 OldCoder       VanessaE, Gems is a new mod
05:27 OldCoder       C U
05:27 Doc22          30003 works
05:27 OldCoder       Oh?
05:27 Doc22          testing 30004
05:29 Doc22          it seems to work
05:29 Doc22          did you patch the snow
05:29 OldCoder       Yes
05:29 OldCoder       Not the snow
05:30 OldCoder       The engine
05:30 OldCoder       Sort of
05:30 Doc22          oh ok
05:30 Doc22          works
05:30 Doc22          on 30005 it says "some exception:"
05:30 OldCoder       Hmm
05:30 Doc22          thats it
05:31 OldCoder       using your old client?
05:31 Doc22          no the one you gave me
05:31 Doc22          it looks exactly the same
05:31 Doc22          as the one i had
05:31 Doc22          same error on 30006
05:31 Doc22          and 30007
05:35 OldCoder       Odd
05:35 OldCoder       Doc22, wait
05:35 OldCoder       Doc22, try this
05:35 Doc22          ?
05:35 OldCoder       Doc22, exit client completely
05:35 OldCoder       And restart 30005
05:35 Doc22          ok
05:36 Doc22          it says its connecting to server
05:36 Doc22          did i tell you im building my own computer?
05:37 OldCoder       You may have mentioned it
05:37 OldCoder       Not sure
05:37 Doc22          lol
05:37 Doc22          anyway i got some of the first parts yesterday
05:37 OldCoder       k
05:37 Doc22          i have been waiting a long time...
05:37 Doc22          i have a pc from 2004
05:37 Doc22          really slow
05:37 OldCoder       Yes
05:38 Doc22          and the sad thing is that it is the fastest one in my family D:
05:38 OldCoder       Sounds odd
05:38 OldCoder       Slow ones
05:38 Doc22          ikr
05:38 OldCoder       must be a problem
05:38 Doc22          the reason my dads pc is slow is because it is vista
05:38 Doc22          vista is unstable
05:39 Doc22          still connecting to 30005
05:39 Doc22          not getting any connection
05:43 OldCoder       Hmm
05:43 OldCoder       I have no answer; try a higher numbered world
05:44 OldCoder       I see you timed out on that one
05:44 OldCoder       The reason for timeouts is not yet known
05:44 Doc22          probably the internet
05:44 OldCoder       Internet? Or Vista networking?
05:44 Doc22          ill try the next ones in a minute
05:44 Doc22          idk
05:44 Doc22          this one is windows 7
05:45 OldCoder       k
05:45 Doc22          the one im on
05:45 Doc22          oldcoder how old are yo
05:45 Doc22          you*(
05:45 OldCoder       Very
05:46 OldCoder       We were
05:46 Doc22          lol
05:46 OldCoder       beta testers for dirt
05:46 Doc22          :D
05:46 OldCoder       They brought us dirt and said
05:46 OldCoder       Is it good
05:46 OldCoder       And we said
05:46 OldCoder       Yes, it is good
05:46 Doc22          :D
05:46 OldCoder       And they said, very well; we shall use dirt
05:46 OldCoder       And there was dirt
05:46 OldCoder
06:25 ruskie         *yawn*
06:27 * Doc22        yawns
06:32 OldCoder       Now you've done it
06:32 * OldCoder     yawns
06:35 ruskie         hehe
06:35 * ruskie       went to sleep at 20:00 or so last night... it is now 07:36 or so
06:36 celeron55      http://pastebin.com/GEqnQKcG
06:37 hmmmm          CoRNeRNoTe
06:37 hmmmm          So LeeT
06:38 hmmmm          omg people AlT CaPz ThEiR N4m3
06:38 ruskie         well that's certainly nice to hear
06:39 hmmmm          omg drama :)
06:39 OldCoder       celeron55, R
06:39 celeron55      R.
06:39 OldCoder       R = Reviewing
06:40 OldCoder       celeron55, He indicated he might do this. Asked me not to comment until he did. Glad to see he's feeling a bit better.
06:41 OldCoder       celeron55, RealBadAngel asked me to build your latest code for a network test. But he couldn't connect with a new client and I couldn't with an old one. I'll need to stay with thexyz fork for now unless it's possible to revert the code that causes the nodebox serialization error.
06:41 OldCoder
06:42 OldCoder       Rather... the latest code in master
06:42 celeron55      http://c55.me/random/2012-11/cornernote_forums.zip
06:42 OldCoder       ruskie, plenty of rest then
06:42 OldCoder       celeron55, R
06:42 celeron55      OldCoder: he probably means the tcp_blocks branch
06:43 OldCoder       Yes. But his link didn't specify that.
06:43 OldCoder       I could try to pull that branch.
06:43 OldCoder       I promised NekoGloop a build, though; and thexyz that I'd try to get LevelDB working under Windows.
06:44 OldCoder       Proceeding with a test there first.
06:44 Doc22          good night
06:44 OldCoder       Doc22, good night
06:45 OldCoder       celeron55, would thexyz be aware of tcp_blocks changes?
06:46 OldCoder       I assume this is a core dev question btw :p
06:54 OldCoder       I am asleep
06:54 OldCoder       This is sleep typing
06:54 OldCoder       Zzz
09:26 cy1            Hey I made it back!
09:46 celeron55      site succesfully moved to new server
09:46 celeron55      nobody should notice anything, but if something broke, shout at me
09:59 celeron55      by the way, for anyone who wants to clone all repos of people on github: http://blog.aheritier.net/clone-all-repositories-from-a-github-organization/
12:02 OldCoder       Back
13:18 celeron55      got the api.minetest.net database
13:19 celeron55      if anyone is interested in building a new site out of this, i can put this up; but i think i'll attempt that
13:19 celeron55      i can run other platforms than php on the new server and i think i need some django practice 8)
13:19 Lumpio-        >php
13:21 celeron55      on the other hand... i could just put it up anyway: http://c55.me/random/2012-11/minetest_api_2012-11-08.sql
13:34 NekoGloop      dontcha just love it when minetest.net is down?
13:35 celeron55      it isn't
13:36 NekoGloop      you sure 'bout that?
13:36 celeron55      works for me (tm)
13:36 NekoGloop      "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to minetest.net"
13:37 celeron55      maybe you are using some kind of slowly updating dns servers
13:37 NekoGloop      I'm using the internet.
13:38 celeron55      try www.minetest.net or http://5.9.130.165/minetest
13:38 NekoGloop      "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.minetest.net"
13:39 NekoGloop      "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 5.9.130.165"
13:39 celeron55      fix your connection then
13:39 NekoGloop      If my connection were the problem i couldnt be here and listening to youtube video at the same time.
13:40 celeron55      it's obviously broken at some part
13:40 celeron55      otherwise you'd be able to connect to 5.9.130.165
13:40 NekoGloop      And it's just entirely impossible that your end is the broken one?
13:40 celeron55      pretty much
13:40 NekoGloop      haha yeah right.
13:40 NekoGloop      I'll believe that never.
13:41 celeron55      you're the first one to complain, and it's been up for over 4 hours already
13:41 celeron55      http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/minetest.net
13:41 NekoGloop      So, again, noone cares about the one who actually have a problem.
13:42 celeron55      there's simply nothing i could possibly do
13:42 NekoGloop      other than figuring out what the fuck happened on your end?
13:43 NekoGloop      because i could connect fine not 6 hours ago.
13:43 celeron55      "my end" is some random machine in a random datacenter in germany, and 6 hours ago it was some other random machine in the same place
13:46 NekoGloop      well that explains why connecting to minetest.net is always so slow.
13:46 NekoGloop      pinging said IP failed as well.
13:47 celeron55      i can ping your ip from the host machine
13:47 celeron55      umm no
13:47 celeron55      i can't
13:48 NekoGloop      I imagine you added a line similar to this: "if os == windows then fail end"
13:49 celeron55      http://pastebin.com/zdxwVksw
13:50 celeron55      it almost gets to your machine but your isp screws up i guess
13:50 NekoGloop      go figure. Comcast is a dick.
13:51 celeron55      also there is a nice over one second delay in your isp's network 8)
13:52 NekoGloop      well i knew that.
13:53 NekoGloop      probably just crap factors on all figures.
13:54 Lumpio-        8)
13:55 NekoGloop      this reminds me of the one time another game refused to connect, even though everything else worked for it.
13:56 NekoGloop      the reason everyone thought of at the "help desk" they had?
13:56 NekoGloop      "is your computer connected to the internet"
13:56 celeron55      maybe you could try getting a new ip for your router and see what happens
13:56 NekoGloop      How. The fuck. Would i be talking to you if my connection was the problem?
13:56 NekoGloop      celeron55: yeah... right :3
13:56 celeron55      that is, dhcp renew
13:57 ruskie         NekoGloop, I've had connection problems to specific servers on datacenters before
13:57 ruskie         it's due to routing
13:57 ruskie         aka the dark arts of internet
13:57 ruskie         that no users really knows about
13:57 celeron55      well obviously it is
13:57 ruskie         I traced it through and even reported it to my isp who got me in touch with their upstream provider who basically said... no sorry we can't do anything about it
13:58 celeron55      the thing i pasted would be very useful for those that might try fixing it
13:58 NekoGloop      well i guess everything to do with minetest doesnt want me here.
13:58 NekoGloop      off to bore myself with something else.
13:58 ruskie         well the no replys are standard
13:58 ruskie         since not all routers allow such traffic through which is stupid
13:59 celeron55      well, generally it does get through
13:59 ruskie         yeah just doesn't respond
13:59 celeron55      and as nothing gets through, that not getting through at the same point is a good guess
13:59 * ruskie       can't help it if most consumer level ISPs offer crap services
14:00 celeron55      well, pretty much the only thing they need to care is to make sure facebook works
14:00 celeron55      and youtub
14:00 celeron55      +e
14:03 OldCoder       Can you do a traceroute?
14:33 celeron55      OldCoder: see my paste; it was from the host to nekogloop
14:33 OldCoder       celeron55, Hi
14:33 OldCoder       Reviewing
14:34 OldCoder       celeron55, Indeed. Things break down in Michigan.
14:35 celeron55      altough as said, the routers of consumer isps don't always answer to those anyway
14:36 OldCoder       Yes
14:36 OldCoder       But I have found traceroute to be useful in general
14:36 celeron55      that being done from neko's side could've been more useful
14:36 OldCoder       Yes
14:36 babyface1031   is the forums down i cant seem to get in them?
14:36 OldCoder       Hmm
14:36 celeron55      oh, another? 8D
14:37 OldCoder       Main site works or not babyface1031 ?
14:37 babyface1031   the main the one that is at the top of this page
14:38 OldCoder       It works?
14:40 babyface1031   must be my end i keep getting a 504 error
14:40 babyface1031   D:
14:40 OldCoder       Error 504. Server side. Which one was that?
14:40 * OldCoder     checks
14:40 OldCoder       Oh
14:40 OldCoder       Timeout
14:40 celeron55      it's proxy side
14:40 celeron55      generally
14:40 OldCoder       Proxy?
14:40 OldCoder       Whose proxy?
14:41 celeron55      babyface1031 is using a http proxy that can't find route to the http server
14:41 OldCoder       Oh!
14:41 OldCoder       babyface1031, is this true?
14:41 OldCoder       Are you using a proxy?
14:42 celeron55      overally, it could be that the ip has recently switched owner and the routing information will be updated sometime to more places
14:42 babyface1031   oh i havent done anything diffrent so idk
14:42 OldCoder       k
14:42 celeron55      like, moved much in the network
14:42 OldCoder       to both
14:42 celeron55      babyface1031: the server was moved to a different machine, and it appears all isps don't yet correctly route packets to it
14:43 babyface1031   oh ok
14:43 celeron55      hopefully it'll get fixed by waiting
14:43 babyface1031   ok
14:44 celeron55      that was done roughly 5 hours ago
14:44 celeron55      maybe it'll update daily or so; no idea
14:46 babyface1031   Ok it fine i just like looking at the forums for the servers to see whats going on and the mods to see updates and if there is anything new
14:46 celeron55      you could use some free open proxy
14:47 * OldCoder     is on an errand and will return soon
14:47 celeron55      maybe this'll work http://www.unblock-proxy.net/permalink.php?url=AZGg7shBKqhWuAvGFvjuebeIJV8BZGnCr4ESZiZqhnBf%2FMgIqMi4SHKzEqStq8nXZypP2Eb1MkCoAWtWS54zYw%3D%3D
14:49 babyface1031   ty it worked
14:49 celeron55      dunno if you can post with that, but it works for browsing :P
14:50 babyface1031   i dont post that much so its fine
15:07 OdnetninI      minetest.org port 3000, is a normal world with normal priviligies?
15:07 OdnetninI      *3
15:08 OdnetninI      *30000
15:08 OdnetninI      Oldcoder.
15:09 OdnetninI      OldCoder
15:12 OdnetninI      OldCoder, can you give me build priviligie at 30000server
15:12 OdnetninI      ?
15:13 OdnetninI      Not, don't give me anything
15:26 celeron55      lol wut
15:32 Doc22          hey babyface
15:32 Doc22          babyface1031
15:33 Doc22          want to play
15:35 babyface1031   sure
15:35 Doc22          ok 1 sec
15:35 Doc22          i mined a LOT
15:35 Doc22          i can only play a little while but what the heck
15:36 babyface1031   ok
15:36 Doc22          and i got started in technic
15:36 Doc22          ok join
15:46 Calinou        TOTY (Typo Of The Year) award goes to...
15:46 Calinou        http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=51298#p51298
15:46 Calinou        "zyz and Sokomine, I will try minetest.ru and Redcrap and Calinou later."
15:46 Calinou        that guy wants to try me :<
15:47 Doc22          lol
15:49 Jordach        VanessaE y u have op
15:49 Jordach        also hello all
15:50 babyface1031   hi
15:53 Calinou        hi
15:53 * Calinou      removed windows and installed the non-half-assed OS(R) on his netbook
15:53 Calinou        boots/shutdowns faster, uses less RAM
15:53 ruskie         hehe
15:59 Jordach        im starting work on a fpsgame similar to halo
15:59 Jordach        (FOSS of course)
15:59 Calinou        Jordach: check out octaforge
15:59 Jordach        hm?
15:59 Calinou        http://octaforge.org
15:59 Calinou        cube-2 based game. open source, scriptable with lua
15:59 Calinou        (it's still in development, but should be somehow usable)
16:00 Jordach        Calinou - i dont wanna use a doom / quake engine
16:00 Jordach        im building my own
16:00 Jordach        because my idea is different
16:00 Jordach        think the periodic table
16:01 Calinou        it's not doom or quake
16:01 Calinou        cube 2 uses its own engine
16:01 Jordach        (AND 64 player team battles 8 players over 8 teams)
16:01 Calinou        in-game cooperative map editing, realtime lighting...
16:01 Calinou        you can do that
16:01 Calinou        you can even make games that aren't FPSes with octaforge :P
16:01 Jordach        i dont wish to be tied into a license
16:03 Calinou        what the fu-- http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1
16:03 Calinou        someone ACTUALLY upvoted this?
16:03 Calinou        (my post, not the above guy's post)
16:03 Doc22          lolz
16:05 thexyz         nice new ip you have there, 5.9.130.165
16:05 thexyz         the best way to stop hamachi users from accessing minetest.net
16:06 ruskie         heh
16:06 Jordach        thexyz whos ip
16:06 thexyz         Jordach: minetest.net
16:06 Jordach        woah
16:08 Jordach        hello PilzAdam
16:08 PilzAdam       Hello everyone!
16:09 PilzAdam       finally found a way to play MT on the school computers
16:09 ruskie         heh
16:09 Jordach        hm, flashpen?
16:10 PilzAdam       wine + win build
16:10 Jordach        omfg
16:10 Jordach        also http://minetest.ru/nyansearch/
16:10 PilzAdam       with a max framerat of 8 FPS
16:10 PilzAdam       *framerate
16:12 Calinou        <PilzAdam> wine + win build
16:12 Calinou        you need root or admin account to install stuff :P
16:12 Calinou        and anyway, since when school computers have passwords for root account?
16:12 Calinou        :>
16:12 PilzAdam       wine is pre installed
16:13 PilzAdam       and i run it directly from USB drive
16:14 Calinou        what distro?
16:14 Calinou        oh
16:15 PilzAdam       its openSUSE
16:18 celeron55      thexyz: umm...?
16:18 thexyz         celeron55: http://community.logmein.com/t5/Hamachi/Hamachi-and-the-5-0-0-0-8-netblock/td-p/55826
16:19 celeron55      well, what the fuck man
16:20 thexyz         hm.. seems like c55 thinks i said he should care about those users
16:20 celeron55      why does hamachi take the whole 5.0.0.0?
16:20 celeron55      sounds like quite excessive
16:20 thexyz         because they're assholes
16:20 ruskie         because it used to be unused and reserved
16:21 thexyz         i guess that was the neko's problem
16:22 PilzAdam       cornernote is pshing to his minetest repo again
16:22 PilzAdam       *pushing
16:23 Calinou        *phishing
16:23 Calinou        he's scamming himself. :D
16:23 celeron55      he put up the stuff because he doesn't want to screw up the community by making his work not easily available
16:26 celeron55      http://community.logmein.com/t5/Hamachi/5-x-x-x-Address-Range/td-p/83996
16:26 celeron55      maybe somebody should add ipv6 support to minetest 8)
16:27 celeron55      it's probably very simple for somebody with experience in adding ipv6 support to native socket code; just modify socket.{h,cpp}
16:27 iqualfragile   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3562 i just ran across this thread
16:27 iqualfragile   is the whole minetest-community that young?
16:28 Calinou        alias someone='iqualfragile'
16:28 Calinou        now do it, .bashrc says so
16:29 OldCoder       Hi
16:29 OldCoder       Back
16:29 iqualfragile   calinou: no!
16:29 iqualfragile   hi oldcoder
16:29 OldCoder       thexyz, can you comment on export of LevelDB to SQLite3 ? Runs and reports block counts and success but only 3KB output is produced
16:29 OldCoder       iqualfragile, Hey
16:30 * VanessaE     peeks in for a few
16:30 OldCoder       VanessaE, Hi
16:30 OldCoder       G M
16:30 VanessaE       hi all.
16:30 VanessaE       celeron55: you will probably want to pay attention to that leveldb stuff, btw.
16:30 OldCoder       thexyz, your latest code runs fine as server. Will attempt Windows client shortly. Maybe with LevelDB there.
16:34 * OldCoder     is puzzled by Odnet* request
16:34 OldCoder       RealBadAngel, hi. Can you comment when you stop by? I wish to ask regarding item drop and pickup
16:38 thexyz         OldCoder: it worked for me
16:39 OldCoder       thexyz, all right
16:39 thexyz         let me test it once again..
16:39 OldCoder       thexyz, I'll confirm the problem different ways and provide you with a LevelDB set to test
16:39 OldCoder       I assume that LevelDB data is portable; or is there a 32 vs. 64 bit issue?
16:41 celeron55      http://b.logme.in/2012/11/07/changes-to-hamachi-on-november-19th/
16:41 thexyz         OldCoder: still works fine
16:41 Calinou        instagram-style domains FTL
16:41 thexyz         did you shut down your server?
16:41 celeron55      that means hamachi users will most definitely be able to access 5.0.0.0/8 after 11 days
16:42 celeron55      (assuming they will update their software)
16:42 thexyz         > Why 25/8? Well, it rhymes a bit with 5/8, and furthermore, it’s a block that’s been allocated to a foreign government agency for private use for almost two decades.
16:43 thexyz         > it’s highly unlikely that the general public would need to access one of these IP addresses
16:46 dzho           lol as they say wut
16:46 OldCoder       thexyz, of course; re shutdown. But I will test on different databases.
16:47 OldCoder       I will test with the world in question again in one hour
17:03 celeron55      http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/AMD-dismisses-numerous-open-source-developers-1745131.html
17:03 celeron55      amd is now officially not worth bying at all (as if it ever was)
17:06 OldCoder       R
17:06 OldCoder       What does this mean for AMD Linux support?
17:07 * Jordach      has a Intel CPU
17:07 * Jordach      then laughs like a evil genius
17:07 OldCoder       Jordach, hey
17:08 Jordach        hey
17:08 ruskie         OldCoder nothing much
17:08 ruskie         since they still have people working on linux support
17:09 Jordach        AMD is the Microsoft of the CPU busniness#
17:09 ruskie         that would be intel
17:10 ruskie         http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/07/amd_closes_german_osrc_lab/
17:11 ruskie         update to the news story theer
17:11 Jordach        you are forgetting who amd are, they also own ati
17:11 ruskie         your point?(/me has been using ati since 1998)
17:12 Jordach        they clearly dont give two shits about linux
17:12 ruskie         so all these specs and firmware they give to the kernel is not caring
17:12 ruskie         sorry... nvidia doesn't care
17:12 ruskie         amd and intel both care
17:15 rubenwardy     hi all
17:18 OldCoder       rubenwardy, Hello
17:18 iqualfragile   PilzAdam: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3025 can you elaborate?
17:18 iqualfragile   hi rubenwardy
17:20 Calinou        nvidia + intel ftw :P
17:20 PilzAdam       iqualfragile, lol?
17:21 iqualfragile   you just said dont use this
17:22 rubenwardy     is there a 0.4.3 with shaders?
17:22 PilzAdam       no
17:23 Jordach        if i worked with shaders id end up making an exact copy of sonic ethers mod
17:27 rubenwardy     lol
17:34 * VanessaE     pokes rubenwardy just because
17:35 VanessaE       whoa, wtf?
17:35 VanessaE       connecting to redcrab:30401 ->
17:35 VanessaE       12:35:45: ERROR[main]: A serialization error occurred:
17:35 VanessaE       12:35:45: ERROR[main]: unsupported NodeBox version
17:35 VanessaE       12:35:45: ERROR[main]: The server is probably  running a different version of Minetest.
17:35 VanessaE       that's a new one on me.
17:43 OldCoder       Yes
17:44 OldCoder       I can't use latest C55 code
17:44 * rubenwardy1  pokes VanessaE back :D
17:44 VanessaE       anyone know of a solution?
17:44 OldCoder       Only not to upgrade servers
17:44 OldCoder       Or to upgrade them and replace all clients
17:44 OldCoder       I'd like to revert whichever server change is causing that
17:44 OldCoder
17:45 OldCoder       thexyz servers aren't doing it yet
17:46 VanessaE       my minetest build is only three days old though
17:46 thexyz         OldCoder: send me your map.db
17:46 * Calinou      likes the new animated water in latest git
17:48 Jordach        o hai MC featuere
17:51 * VanessaE     sighs
17:54 NekoGloop      well I'm bored.
17:55 PilzAdam       hi NekoGloop
17:55 PilzAdam       want a OS war?
17:55 NekoGloop      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=iyJo-65hEx0&NR=1
17:56 VanessaE       PilzAdam: can you look through the latest commits from the last three days and tell me wtf is causing the above nodebox version error?
17:56 VanessaE       I can't seem to find anything that explains it.
17:56 NekoGloop      VanessaE: farther back
17:56 NekoGloop      try a week or so
17:57 VanessaE       well back to Sept. 9 anyway, but the next commit after that is Oct 31, then Nov 1.
17:57 NekoGloop      shows that minetest isnt being worked on :P
17:59 NekoGloop      i still cant access minetest.net.
17:59 VanessaE       NekoGloop: the forums?  works fine for me?
18:00 PilzAdam       yep forks good
18:00 PilzAdam       *works
18:00 NekoGloop      pinging the server says it times out.
18:00 briareoh       Hi all, I'm having problems mining stone & coal blocks
18:00 NekoGloop      briareoh: use a pickaxe.
18:00 briareoh       mmmm I can't mine it with hands?
18:00 VanessaE       no
18:00 PilzAdam       nope
18:00 VanessaE       make a wooden pick
18:00 NekoGloop      why would you be able to?
18:01 briareoh       ok thanks
18:01 VanessaE       mine with that till it runs out, then make a stone pick and mine with that until you have enough iron to make steel picks with
18:01 briareoh       NekoGloop: xD
18:02 NekoGloop      thank you for the unneccessary highlight.
18:02 PilzAdam       VanessaE, this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/2863a3291a5cc9be8eeff063cd187a783e58c163
18:03 VanessaE       PilzAdam: I doubt it, there's nothing in that commit that changes the version number of the nodeboxes, however that's done anyway
18:03 VanessaE       my build from Nov 4 is also broken now
18:04 VanessaE       (when connecting to redcrab:30401 I mean)
18:04 PilzAdam       i cant see any other changes that could cause this
18:05 VanessaE       (not sure if it ever worked though, I don't recall the last time I connected to that server - been too busy)
18:05 NekoGloop      VanessaE: you should texture my jeweling table for gems mod :3
18:05 VanessaE       NekoGloop: I still haven't updated the textures for homedecor yet.
18:05 Jordach        OldCoder - present?
18:05 PilzAdam       VanessaE, never saw the error myself
18:05 OldCoder       Yes
18:05 OldCoder       Jordach,
18:05 OldCoder       ^
18:05 VanessaE       PilzAdam: can you try connecting to that server then?
18:05 Jordach        oh, youre here
18:05 VanessaE       redcrab.suret.net:30401
18:05 PilzAdam       VanessaE, ip?
18:06 NekoGloop      Someone please tell me the method with which minetest.net has feelings?
18:06 * PilzAdam     lol'd about his typo: redcrap
18:07 ruskie         NekoGloop, are you using hamachi?
18:07 VanessaE       lol
18:07 NekoGloop      ruskie: ?
18:07 ruskie         NekoGloop, your problem accessing the server might be related
18:07 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, fell();
18:07 PilzAdam       *feel();
18:07 NekoGloop      ruskie: how?
18:07 ruskie         NekoGloop, uses the same ip range
18:07 ruskie         NekoGloop, hamachi is changing that on teh 19th
18:07 PilzAdam       VanessaE, seems i can connect
18:08 ruskie         currently though it's using 5.x.x.x ips
18:08 ruskie         and the server's ip is in the 5.x.x.x range
18:08 NekoGloop      i never have hamachi -running- though. :l
18:08 VanessaE       PilzAdam: how old is your client?
18:08 PilzAdam       latest git
18:08 ruskie         NekoGloop, do a traceroute nameofserver
18:08 ruskie         and pastebin that
18:08 NekoGloop      a what.
18:08 VanessaE       PilzAdam: I just downgraded to my old Nov. 2 build and it connects.
18:09 ruskie         google OS traceroute howto
18:09 VanessaE       so the problem occurs after Nov. 2 but before Nov. 4
18:09 PilzAdam       VanessaE, wait, maybe i dont have the latest commit...
18:09 VanessaE       I think you don't :-)
18:10 artur99        where is the mese?
18:10 NekoGloop      ruskie: Request Timed Out x30
18:11 ruskie         NekoGloop, pastbin the entire trace
18:11 ruskie         else it doesn't really help much
18:11 NekoGloop      what the hell good will it be
18:11 NekoGloop      it just times out every time it attempts.
18:11 ruskie         on all hosts inbetween?
18:11 ruskie         or just immediately?
18:11 NekoGloop      on every number.
18:12 ruskie         http://pastebin.com/zdxwVksw <-- so nothing like this?
18:13 NekoGloop      ruskie: http://pastebin.com/BrMm9R4S
18:13 ruskie         ok that means it's not even going out from you
18:13 ruskie         do a route print and check if you have 5.0.0.0 in there somewhere
18:13 NekoGloop      that means that every thing to do with minetest hates me.
18:13 NekoGloop      but just me.
18:13 ruskie         no
18:14 ruskie         babyface had some issue as well iirc
18:15 NekoGloop      ok then just everything to do with minetest hates me.
18:15 NekoGloop      was bad enough when it was just the community.
18:15 PilzAdam       VanessaE, ive updated to the lates git and now i got the same error
18:15 VanessaE       ok
18:15 PilzAdam       it seems like this commit causes it: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/8540871ebcfca6584051e1fc042951baa0ed3275
18:16 PilzAdam       checking...
18:16 NekoGloop      oh, gasp, RBA broke something?
18:16 NekoGloop      soooooooooooooooooooooooo not surprised.
18:16 VanessaE       NekoGloop: no
18:16 NekoGloop      no to what?
18:16 VanessaE       the problem occurs between the Nov 2 and Nov 4 builds.
18:17 VanessaE       RBA's commit was pushed on nov 5
18:18 PilzAdam       okay, it is not RBA's commit
18:18 VanessaE       you bisecting it?
18:19 PilzAdam       yep
18:19 NekoGloop      ruskie: i do.
18:19 VanessaE       ok
18:19 PilzAdam       VanessaE, Nov 02 definetly work?
18:19 VanessaE       yes
18:19 PilzAdam       are you 100% sure?
18:19 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/builds/minetestc55_20121102-filtering-1_amd64.deb
18:19 VanessaE       I just ran that build ^^^ and it worked fine.
18:19 PilzAdam       maybe its this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/3cab24fbcfbbeb12cdd9f085167969e1a934bd59
18:20 VanessaE       that was pulled the day it was built afaik.
18:20 VanessaE       PilzAdam: maybe,
18:21 VanessaE       nice going, thexyz :-)
18:21 NekoGloop      lol
18:21 NekoGloop      pinging webchat.freenode.net times out :P
18:21 VanessaE       you bwoke it! :'(
18:22 ruskie         NekoGloop, not all admins allow such traffic
18:22 NekoGloop      ruskie: I -am- the admin.
18:23 ruskie         NekoGloop, not your end
18:23 ruskie         the other end needs to reply
18:23 ruskie         if they don't accept pings you won't get a response
18:23 NekoGloop      VanessaE: I get a better ping from you than irc.freenode.net.
18:23 NekoGloop      :P
18:23 PilzAdam       VanessaE, the commit before works fine
18:23 VanessaE       I have a fat pipe :-)
18:23 VanessaE       PilzAdam: recommend reverting that patch then.
18:24 VanessaE       (sorry thexyz, it wasn't a good idea to change the protocol yet again)
18:24 PilzAdam       yep, it is this commit
18:25 ruskie         NekoGloop, have you checked route print or is it route show to see if 5.0.0.0 is in there anywhere
18:25 NekoGloop      ruskie: it is.
18:25 ruskie         then that's your problem
18:25 ruskie         it shouldn't be
18:26 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYQ
18:26 NekoGloop      what i do when I'm bored ^
18:26 OldCoder       R
18:26 ruskie         hehe
18:26 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, aweseome!
18:26 ruskie         NekoGloop, you could try stopping the hamachi service(if there is such a thing) or uninstalling it
18:26 NekoGloop      ruskie: fine
18:26 ruskie         and check the route again
18:26 NekoGloop      barely use it
18:26 OldCoder       NekoGloop, that is very nice
18:27 NekoGloop      ^w^
18:27 OldCoder       Load it into one of the public worlds if you are so inclined
18:27 OldCoder       Seriously, it's a nice little place
18:27 NekoGloop      hehe
18:27 ruskie         it is nice
18:27 NekoGloop      i have a pool in front of it.
18:27 Jordach        Jordach's building rating: 8/10
18:28 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYg
18:28 Jordach        Jordach's building rating: 9/10
18:28 ruskie         nice
18:28 OldCoder       Ditto
18:28 NekoGloop      NekoGloop's building rating: 0/10
18:28 babyface1031   can anyone help me with the recipe for the chain saw i cant get on the forums to look it up
18:29 Jordach        ^ has hamacho
18:29 Jordach        -o +i
18:29 ruskie         babyface1031, 4 stainless steel
18:29 ruskie         2 batteries
18:29 ruskie         and one copper ingot
18:29 ruskie         SSB
18:29 ruskie         SSB
18:29 ruskie         ..C
18:29 babyface1031   ty
18:29 ruskie         in such a config
18:30 * NekoGloop    is waiting for add or remove programs to load...
18:31 Calinou        NekoGloop: windows FTL
18:31 NekoGloop      Calinou: riight.
18:32 NekoGloop      and how many things have to be done in a command line in linux?
18:32 ruskie         depends on the distro
18:32 ruskie         but consider that windows is moving towards command line usage as well
18:33 ruskie         powershell
18:33 NekoGloop      haha
18:33 Calinou        NekoGloop: it's possible to use linux without touching a terminal
18:33 Calinou        but it destroys the whole point
18:33 Calinou        ruskie: no...
18:33 NekoGloop      the whole point of redundancy?
18:33 ruskie         Calinou, ?
18:33 Calinou        powershell is terribly limited
18:33 ruskie         ow I'm not saying it's equal to linux shell
18:33 Calinou        del ruskie
18:34 Calinou        format ruskie
18:34 ruskie         but apparently you should be able to manage all the tools with a gui through it
18:34 NekoGloop      del Calinou
18:34 NekoGloop      NOW.
18:34 Jordach        chmod AK-47 777
18:34 Calinou        it's the other way around
18:34 ruskie         hehe
18:34 Calinou        chmod 000 Jordach
18:35 NekoGloop      /giveme gems:sword_mithril_topaz
18:35 NekoGloop      Now, any questions?
18:36 Calinou        /giveme air
18:36 NekoGloop      I made a mesecons command block give the nearest person air -1
18:41 NekoGloop      So i assume noone cares about this: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=51297#p51297
18:42 VanessaE       someone must care if the topic is getting any activity at all :-)
18:42 VanessaE       [Mod] Encrustable Gems [gems]
18:42 VanessaE       by wowiamdiamonds
18:42 VanessaE            14
18:42 VanessaE           954
18:42 VanessaE       954 views.
18:42 NekoGloop      I meant said post.
18:42 VanessaE       oh
18:47 NekoGloop      VanessaE: did you like my shack and the pool? :3
18:48 VanessaE       I'm not sure I saw it
18:48 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYQ http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYg
18:49 VanessaE       I love the pool
18:49 VanessaE       the shack is...well... :-)
18:49 NekoGloop      hey it has a chimney!
18:49 NekoGloop      so Santa doesnt have to take the door! :D
18:49 VanessaE       haha
18:49 Jordach        s/:-)/shit
18:49 ruskie         more than any of my constructions
18:49 VanessaE       lol
18:50 NekoGloop      I always put doors on both ends of my houses.
18:50 NekoGloop      I dont know why i just do.
18:50 Jordach        <- Grammar Nazi (no offense to the Polish / Germans)
18:50 NekoGloop      Which makes that little shack's ground floor little more than a walkway.
18:51 ruskie         heh
18:51 VanessaE       NekoGloop: every house needs a front and a back door, and if you were in the midwest, I'd say also a kitchen door :-)
18:52 ruskie         most of my stuff is built into or below the countryside
18:52 NekoGloop      Behind the shack are two battery boxes wired to the electric devices on the gournd floor and basement.
18:52 NekoGloop      ruskie: the shack is just so i dont forget where it is tbh.
18:52 ruskie         heh
18:52 ruskie         I build lighthouses... and of course home position teleport works
18:53 NekoGloop      I always forget to set that :3
18:53 ruskie         heh
18:53 ruskie         first thing I do
18:53 ruskie         still need to build a lighthouse somewhere in my new area
18:54 VanessaE       new minetest build with graphics filtering settings is up (Ubuntu AMD64)
18:54 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/builds/minetestc55_20121108-filtering-1_amd64.deb
18:54 ruskie         works with current servers?
18:54 VanessaE       yes
18:54 ruskie         can I get the source for that
18:54 VanessaE       or at least, c55 implies it should :-)
18:55 VanessaE       source?  get it from https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest
18:55 ruskie         ok
18:55 VanessaE       * checks on redcrab:30401....
18:55 VanessaE       and it seems to work.
18:57 NekoGloop      rubenwardy: http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYQ http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYg My shack and swimming pool! :D
18:57 rubenwardy     Minetest in 3d <3
18:57 PilzAdam       VanessaE, what distro do you use?
18:57 VanessaE       Ubuntu
18:58 VanessaE       (Precise)
18:58 NekoGloop      stereoscopic 3d in minetest? :D
18:58 VanessaE       AMD64
18:58 rubenwardy     yes
18:58 rubenwardy     by thexyzz
18:59 VanessaE       bbl.
18:59 NekoGloop      rubenwardy: do you like my shack? :o
18:59 rubenwardy     is it possible to increase the bright ness of minetest?
18:59 rubenwardy     yes, i would not live there though
18:59 NekoGloop      rubenwardy: get a better monitor
18:59 rubenwardy     not big enough for my clothes
18:59 NekoGloop      rubenwardy: most of the real estate it takes up is underground.
18:59 rubenwardy     no, it is because my glasses are too dark
19:00 rubenwardy     the screen is bright enough
19:00 NekoGloop      rubenwardy: dont use sunglasses when playing minetest :3
19:00 rubenwardy     3d glasses
19:00 NekoGloop      ah.
19:00 NekoGloop      thought xyz made it be like 3ds.
19:01 NekoGloop      of course, that would mean your monitor supports that.
19:01 rubenwardy     no
19:02 rubenwardy     no computer screen supports that
19:02 NekoGloop      yes they do
19:02 NekoGloop      they're just not sold in stores.
19:10 FreeFull       http://i.imgur.com/ZWuQr.png
19:10 NekoGloop      the hell is that.
19:11 FreeFull       It's a cube
19:11 FreeFull       That got twisted
19:11 FreeFull       So now it's a twisted cube
19:13 Jordach        FreeFull - freebsd?
19:13 FreeFull       Nope, linux
19:16 Jordach        i got the Nuclear Reactor working
19:16 Jordach        OldCoder - prepare your self
19:19 Jordach        celeron55 - you said darkrose should not work on a nuclear reactor: https://github.com/Jordach/technic/commit/36979ebffd0d751ab0070d990415b8cc67aee990
19:20 OldCoder       Hey
19:20 OldCoder       R
19:20 OldCoder       Heh
19:20 OldCoder       Fallout!
19:21 NekoGloop      I say we work on the simpler things from tekkit :P
19:21 Jordach        https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/pull/2
19:21 NekoGloop      Jordach: like my shack and pool? http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYQ http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYg
19:22 Jordach        yes
19:22 OldCoder       I am resting for a few minutes before an errand
19:22 * Jordach      wants faster drill recharging times
19:22 NekoGloop      I tried to not use too much bricks because they're so fucking hard to get.
19:23 NekoGloop      if there was a condenser i'd make it condense dirt into clay.
19:23 Jordach        thats an idea
19:26 RealBadAngel   hmmm
19:26 RealBadAngel   mix dirt with water to get mould?
19:27 NekoGloop      what?
19:27 NekoGloop      satanicircnick: lol.
19:27 RealBadAngel   ups
19:27 RealBadAngel   mud
19:28 NekoGloop      mud: high viscosity liquid?
19:28 MiJyn          hi
19:28 MiJyn          (again)
19:28 RealBadAngel   dirt mixed with water :P
19:28 MiJyn          mud?
19:28 MiJyn          :P
19:28 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYQ http://ompldr.org/vZzcwYg do you like my shack and pool? :3
19:28 haiku2012      hp666/satanicircnick/haiku2012 is a haiku
19:28 RealBadAngel   at least dictionary says it the correct word
19:29 RealBadAngel   NekoGloop, seen the pool
19:29 RealBadAngel   nice
19:29 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: It is.
19:29 NekoGloop      I'm just wondering what it would be in minetest.
19:29 RealBadAngel   ha, got the idea to get clay
19:29 RealBadAngel   nothin easy tho
19:30 RealBadAngel   grind sandstone
19:30 NekoGloop      condenser need not be easy.
19:30 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: would make sand, no?
19:30 RealBadAngel   good point
19:30 NekoGloop      condenser recipe:
19:30 NekoGloop      O T O
19:31 NekoGloop      T M T
19:31 NekoGloop      O T O
19:31 NekoGloop      O = Obsidian
19:31 NekoGloop      T = Talinite Ingot
19:31 RealBadAngel   forget the recipe
19:31 NekoGloop      M = Mithril chest.
19:31 RealBadAngel   how it shall work is more important
19:31 NekoGloop      Easy.
19:31 RealBadAngel   click and go, i know
19:31 RealBadAngel   now explain the rules :)
19:32 NekoGloop      I had such a thing in my failed game mode.
19:32 RealBadAngel   i feel i know where its goin
19:32 NekoGloop      hm?
19:33 RealBadAngel   kinda left to technic, magic way
19:33 NekoGloop      who said this is technic>?
19:33 RealBadAngel   it fits perfectly the magic way
19:34 RealBadAngel   tank has already planned such a machine
19:34 RealBadAngel   but with different functions
19:35 RealBadAngel   http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mX3RkDH2
19:35 NekoGloop      -compresser- not -condenser-
19:35 RealBadAngel   maybe you could work on it, i mean the magic tree together?
19:35 NekoGloop      Also, I find it funny you can condense a condenser in tekkit :3
19:36 RealBadAngel   i will just support magic wires and so on
19:36 NekoGloop      why should magic need wires?
19:36 NekoGloop      after all, it's magic! :D
19:36 RealBadAngel   as in thaumcraft
19:36 RealBadAngel   not exaclty the wires
19:36 NekoGloop      I'm thinking more EE
19:37 RealBadAngel   but way to produce and store energy, magical one
19:37 RealBadAngel   my wires algorithms can do that
19:38 RealBadAngel   EE was cool too
19:38 RealBadAngel   way to transmute was great
19:38 NekoGloop      EE -is- cool :D
19:38 NekoGloop      *cough*blaze-rod-diamond-machine*cough*
19:38 RealBadAngel   im using past because i dont play mt anymore
19:38 RealBadAngel   mc
19:39 RealBadAngel   im takin my ideas just from what i do remember
19:39 NekoGloop      well.
19:40 NekoGloop      for starters, the condenser can run off of furnace-like code.
19:40 NekoGloop      but rather than looking through registered recipes with type "cooking" and "fuel", look at technic.emc_values[srcname]
19:41 NekoGloop      and technic.emc_values[fuelname]
19:41 NekoGloop      output is srcname, etc...
19:41 NekoGloop      dont remove from src once done "cooking"
19:42 NekoGloop      My house is so cozy~ :3
19:45 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=51297#p51297 Jeweling table :3
19:45 RealBadAngel   for proper use of EMC you shall define the calues for each and every possible node
19:45 RealBadAngel   *values
19:45 NekoGloop      well, at least all the ones reasonably condensable
19:46 NekoGloop      for example, one shouldnt be able to condense ore nodes because one cant normally get ore nodes.
19:46 RealBadAngel   yeah, with logic
19:46 RealBadAngel   no point to condense the batbox
19:46 RealBadAngel   or transmute it
19:46 NekoGloop      well i think there would be a point to that but not logical.
19:47 RealBadAngel   EE used way to learn transmutation table new kind of object
19:47 NekoGloop      i saw that
19:47 RealBadAngel   so you cant transmute cobble to battery box
19:48 RealBadAngel   before you have already crafted one
19:48 RealBadAngel   then you can agree to pay lets say 1000 cobble or more for 1 batbox
19:49 RealBadAngel   as i remember 1 diamond was worth 8192 cobble or dirt
19:49 NekoGloop      yep
19:49 NekoGloop      same with one of the alchemical fuels.
19:49 RealBadAngel   most advanced EE machines were worth hundreds of thousands
19:50 RealBadAngel   set of superior armor were worth like 150 milions of EMC
19:50 NekoGloop      klein star omega cant be condensed, not from lack of EMC value but rather from condenser not able to stockpile so much EMC.
19:50 Jordach        why cant we add groups?
19:51 NekoGloop      Jordach: hm?
19:51 Jordach        ure groups to id their emc level
19:51 Jordach        -r +e
19:51 NekoGloop      obviously.
19:51 RealBadAngel   good point
19:51 NekoGloop      except how -exactly- do i tag that to default materials?
19:51 RealBadAngel   predefine them
19:52 NekoGloop      well..
19:52 NekoGloop      let's say the cactus
19:52 NekoGloop      if this method is used..
19:52 RealBadAngel   lets say 32 EMC
19:52 * VanessaE     is back, with a new kitten :-)
19:52 NekoGloop      we have to redefine the cactus.
19:52 NekoGloop      VanessaE: D:
19:52 RealBadAngel   no
19:52 RealBadAngel   just make a table with values
19:53 NekoGloop      oh i see
19:53 RealBadAngel   node, value
19:53 NekoGloop      combine what i was thinking with what jordach said.
19:53 RealBadAngel   and predefine all here
19:53 VanessaE       NekoGloop: aw come on, she's adorable :-)
19:53 NekoGloop      srcitem.groups.emc or technic.emc_values[srcname]
19:53 RealBadAngel   wb VanessaE, now i can answer your questions, in the mornin i was in hurry
19:54 NekoGloop      VanessaE: but... but... I'm the kitty of #minetest :3
19:54 RealBadAngel   to not get late to work
19:54 VanessaE       hold that thought
19:54 Jordach        VanessaE - G+ some pics
19:54 VanessaE       in a few mins I'll get a pic of her
19:54 Jordach        or imgur, photobucket, picasa, whatever
19:54 Jordach        KITTEH!
19:56 VanessaE       http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/24564123
19:56 NekoGloop      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLAQm2OcC-4&feature=watch-vrec
19:57 VanessaE       the black and white cat next to Whiskers in this picture, her name is Cookie
19:57 OldCoder       R
19:57 Jordach        AWWWW.
19:58 NekoGloop      hm...
19:58 NekoGloop      should i use marble bricks for my pool or something else...?
19:58 OldCoder       Either might work
19:58 NekoGloop      either?
19:59 Jordach        i have a feature idea, real time maps
19:59 Jordach        http://play.minecraftworlds.info:8123/# like this
19:59 Jordach        (they have endless res detail with textured blocks in 2.5d)
19:59 NekoGloop      Jordach: there is such a thing, dunno about the detail of the map though
20:00 Jordach        our py mapper is done when a request is made, this is when the server is operating and on the fly
20:00 NekoGloop      not talking about that.
20:00 NekoGloop      Someone adapted that to realtime
20:00 NekoGloop      dont remember who, or what they called it.
20:01 RealBadAngel   there was such topic
20:01 Jordach        it also tracks players that link
20:01 RealBadAngel   with an answer like a year after last post
20:03 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: IMO brick blocks from default set dont look bad at all
20:04 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/OI9hs.png max zoom
20:04 NekoGloop      yeah i dont think we have that though.
20:05 NekoGloop      jungles are hellasiously tall in MC
20:06 NekoGloop      Jordach: there's a dirt house on that map lol
20:08 Jordach        and with A EXTREME CLOSE UP http://i.imgur.com/036TK.jpg
20:08 NekoGloop      lol @ the building with "baka" written on it XD (touhou canon reference FTW)
20:09 NekoGloop      the netherrack tunnel is burning? :P
20:09 Jordach        also, the shaded section is actually owned sections
20:09 NekoGloop      i see
20:10 Jordach        we need better stuff
20:11 NekoGloop      be more specific :P
20:11 RealBadAngel   NekoGloop, are you kidding me? default bricks sucks worldwide
20:11 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: nope.
20:11 RealBadAngel   universe wide
20:11 NekoGloop      Old default bricks? yes, yes they do
20:12 RealBadAngel   so show me better ones
20:12 NekoGloop      The ones with decent shading? They're perfect to my tastes.
20:12 NekoGloop      look at my shack
20:12 RealBadAngel   bricks in the first place shall be orange, dark
20:12 RealBadAngel   not the fuckin red=255 ones
20:12 NekoGloop      these arent red=255
20:13 RealBadAngel   close enough
20:13 NekoGloop      closer to red=170
20:13 RealBadAngel   and others to 0
20:13 NekoGloop      nope
20:13 FreeFull       Too saturated
20:15 NekoGloop      FreeFull: less saturation: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxYg
20:15 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: this is default: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxYw
20:16 ruskie         hmm for caly I'd go 4 parts dirt 1 part water as a recipe... possibly in the alloy furnace
20:16 ruskie         erm clay
20:16 NekoGloop      ruskie: no
20:17 FreeFull       NekoGloop: I'm thinking darker and not thaat desaturated
20:17 VanessaE       https://plus.google.com/photos/115185144897764436393/albums/5808538157856315377?banner=pwa
20:17 FreeFull       Like those real brick walls
20:17 VanessaE       Pictures of Cookie ^^^
20:18 NekoGloop      FreeFull: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxZA ?
20:18 NekoGloop      and, before you ask, yes i can rush perfection.
20:18 NekoGloop      :3
20:18 FreeFull       That's about the right brightness
20:19 FreeFull       Maybe desaturation is not the best thing to do when making dark brick
20:20 RealBadAngel   hmmmm
20:20 PilzAdam       gtg; bye
20:20 NekoGloop      FreeFull: a tad browner, on just the bricks themselves: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxZw
20:21 RealBadAngel   lemme gimp something
20:21 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzcxaA That is an interesting effect.
20:24 NekoGloop      FreeFull: what about this: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxag ?
20:24 FreeFull       NekoGloop: That brown one reminds me of chocolate
20:24 FreeFull       No mortar actually looks blue
20:24 NekoGloop      well that can be fixed
20:24 NekoGloop      I shrunk that "interesting effect"
20:25 NekoGloop      protip: dont increase sharpness at 128x if texturing 16x
20:25 VanessaE       hah
20:25 NekoGloop      I stretch images to 128 for uploading
20:25 NekoGloop      so that you guys can see them without squinting at your monitors.
20:27 VanessaE       bah, bricks and more bricks, and no one wants to comment on our pictures of Cookie? :(
20:27 Jordach        i said awwwwwww earlier
20:27 NekoGloop      VanessaE: here, have a cookie :3
20:27 VanessaE       Jordach: better pictures at that link above
20:27 VanessaE       https://plus.google.com/photos/115185144897764436393/albums/5808538157856315377?banner=pwa
20:29 Jordach        *sees old computer*is that yours VanessaE
20:29 Jordach        and bawwww
20:29 VanessaE       old?
20:30 VanessaE       er, the computer is less than a year old
20:30 Jordach        VanessaE - did you teach your cat the spock method?
20:30 babyface1031   what is akalin used for
20:30 Jordach        cant remember
20:31 NekoGloop      blocks
20:31 NekoGloop      if you have my modified gems mod you make the jeweling table with it.
20:34 NekoGloop      I wish we had surface lava lakes
20:37 ruskie         I wish we had volcanoes
20:37 RealBadAngel   oke doke, made bricks, imho nice ones
20:38 Jordach        my array of two reactors + 16 mv solar panels is lovely
20:38 NekoGloop      FreeFull: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxbw
20:38 RealBadAngel   NekoGloop, http://realbadangel.pl/default_brick.png
20:38 OldCoder       I am on an errand for about an hour
20:38 RealBadAngel   test it out
20:40 Jordach        VanessaE - im getting the big bullshit award
20:40 NekoGloop      fine. though it looks like shit in 2d.
20:40 VanessaE       ?
20:40 Jordach        60fps dead all of the time with a 32x pack
20:40 Jordach        this is as smooth as melted butter on toast
20:41 RealBadAngel   my texture for bricks looks like shit?
20:41 NekoGloop      yup
20:41 NekoGloop      like bars of shit
20:41 RealBadAngel   eat those red one if you like
20:41 RealBadAngel   and stop bothering me
20:42 FreeFull       NekoGloop: That looks good
20:42 FreeFull       RealBadAngel's looks good too though
20:42 NekoGloop      FreeFull: meh
20:42 VanessaE       fuck it, just use the brick textures from unifiedbricks in HDX :-)
20:42 * RealBadAngel is off
20:42 FreeFull       Testing it on real geometry is of course important
20:42 VanessaE       nothing beats those :-)
20:42 NekoGloop      FreeFull: his dont look too good on a real cube though.
20:42 Jordach        next time, dont piss him off
20:42 Jordach        hes the technic guy
20:43 NekoGloop      I dont give a fuck
20:43 FreeFull       NekoGloop: I think my opinion on textures isn't 100% best
20:43 FreeFull       Experiment with it more
20:43 Jordach        cant we just use cisoun's?
20:43 NekoGloop      doing mine now
20:43 NekoGloop      Jordach: apparently those are "too saturated"
20:44 Jordach        those are fine
20:44 NekoGloop      ikr>
20:44 Jordach        VanessaE - make some 16px bricks to resolve this matter
20:44 FreeFull       Ignore any stated opinions from before
20:44 NekoGloop      my last ones should look much better.
20:44 Jordach        i really have grown tired of #minetest fights, i wanna play the god damn game and work on technic
20:44 NekoGloop      desaturated + more contrast.
20:45 cisoun         too saturated ?
20:45 cisoun         w00t
20:45 cisoun         then check out the old versions.
20:45 NekoGloop      cisoun: the ones in upstream minetest_game they are either based on yours or are an old one.
20:46 cisoun         c55's minetest_game ?
20:46 cisoun         not very old but some of them aren't mine.
20:47 NekoGloop      i think the brick block is yours though.
20:47 cisoun         gaddamn yes, and it comes from minetest 0.3...
20:47 cisoun         I hate this one.
20:48 NekoGloop      i like it
20:48 cisoun         Really ?
20:48 cisoun         Much more than the new one ?
20:48 NekoGloop      but anyway, revamped with lower saturation and more sharpness
20:48 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzcxdQ
20:49 NekoGloop      cisoun, FreeFull ^
20:52 FreeFull       What does it look like during daytime?
20:53 NekoGloop      one sec
20:54 NekoGloop      FreeFull: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxeg
20:57 Xhanyr         Hi
20:58 FreeFull       NekoGloop: Very bricky
20:58 NekoGloop      this is a good thing, yes? :3
20:58 RealBadAngel   rebooted and back
20:59 RealBadAngel   meanwhile changed the texture a bit and commited it
20:59 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxeg
20:59 celeron55      a bit more saturated could still work though; that is kind of dull already
21:02 RealBadAngel   hold on
21:02 RealBadAngel   uploading screenshot
21:03 RealBadAngel   http://realbadangel.pl/bricks.png
21:03 RealBadAngel   it looks like a brick wall
21:03 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: now try using stairsplus stuff and do corners etc.
21:03 NekoGloop      looks like crap then
21:04 RealBadAngel   geometry hasnt changed
21:04 NekoGloop      just try it
21:04 RealBadAngel   brick frames are exact size of original brick texture
21:04 ruskie         mmm I like that brick texture
21:04 RealBadAngel   were copied from default
21:05 RealBadAngel   i just applied brick texture to bacground
21:05 ruskie         though maybe a tad bit more red would work
21:05 RealBadAngel   and made it smoother
21:05 NekoGloop      ruskie: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxeg
21:05 ruskie         that's to red imo
21:06 RealBadAngel   celeron55, you would like it to be more contrast?
21:06 celeron55      mix those two equally together and see how it looks 8)
21:06 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: stainless steel should be steel + silver
21:07 ruskie         NekoGloop, why? silver isn't part of the real world mix
21:07 ruskie         chromium is
21:07 NekoGloop      silver is real-world
21:07 RealBadAngel   celeron55, i will raise a contrast, but not too much
21:07 Jordach        there, my house complete with electric furnaces, etc
21:07 ruskie         NekoGloop, I'm talking about the real world mix for stainless steel
21:07 Jordach        night all
21:07 RealBadAngel   i dont want to loose that warm, soft feelin of it
21:08 ruskie         NekoGloop, it's steel+chromium
21:08 NekoGloop      ruskie: more people will think of steel+siler
21:08 NekoGloop      silver
21:08 ruskie         really?
21:08 NekoGloop      you know I'm right, yet refuse to accept so
21:08 NekoGloop      most people dont even know what chromium -is-.
21:08 ruskie         my first idea for stainless steel was chromium
21:09 ruskie         NekoGloop, then they should probably pay a bit more attention at chemistry and physics
21:09 NekoGloop      should we target a specific range of players with science and chemistry?
21:09 ruskie         we learned this in secondary school around here
21:09 NekoGloop      most -children-, playing minetest, having fun, will not know what the fuck chromium is.
21:10 ruskie         then it's a great way for them to learn
21:11 NekoGloop      we should get 3 lumps per clay block.
21:11 NekoGloop      and crafting to reflect such.
21:12 NekoGloop      because 3 goes evenly into 99, like 4 goes into 64
21:13 ruskie         considering most things produce 4
21:13 RealBadAngel   celeron55: adjusted it a bit: http://realbadangel.pl/brickwall1.png
21:13 ruskie         not bad
21:14 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: i like how you hide the edges of the blocks from view to hide the bad parts of your textures.
21:14 ruskie         the edges are right there in the middle of the pic
21:15 RealBadAngel   i wanted to show how it look from front and up
21:15 NekoGloop      not that.
21:15 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: show me the edges of the nodes.
21:15 RealBadAngel   They are precisely the same as original bricks
21:16 NekoGloop      like i did here: http://ompldr.org/vZzcxeg
21:16 NekoGloop      not the edge of the texture, the edge of the node
21:16 VanessaE       they're 10000x better than the default bricks, that's for sure
21:17 RealBadAngel   your brick NekoGloop are not bricks, its a special kind of them
21:17 RealBadAngel   in polish we call it Klinkier
21:17 NekoGloop      you're retarded.
21:17 NekoGloop      I mean the POV at the nodes
21:17 RealBadAngel   shiny, very expensive ones
21:18 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: look at the bricks from a 45 degree angle, like i am
21:18 RealBadAngel   bricks are made of clay, klinkier has a special cover to make it shine and reflect light
21:18 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: mine arent shiny.
21:19 ruskie         RealBadAngel, glaze like ceramics I would assume
21:19 NekoGloop      they're duller than yours, i can tell you that.
21:20 RealBadAngel   http://pavlos.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2.png
21:20 RealBadAngel   different kinds of klinkier
21:20 RealBadAngel   coated bricks
21:20 NekoGloop      Mine arent shiny in the slightest
21:21 RealBadAngel   bright, full colour
21:21 RealBadAngel   klinkier just
21:21 ruskie         yeah ceramic glaze
21:21 RealBadAngel   not the common bricks
21:21 NekoGloop      Again, may i play the card of "Most people link red with bricks"
21:21 RealBadAngel   RED??
21:22 RealBadAngel   who the fuck on eaerh saw red bricks???
21:22 NekoGloop      red-brown
21:22 RealBadAngel   its not the natural color of a brick
21:22 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: I have. On my school building.
21:22 ruskie         I generally associated an orange-led colour to them
21:22 ruskie         erm orange-red even
21:23 RealBadAngel   not not red just
21:23 ruskie         and each time I drill into some of them I get that reinforced
21:23 RealBadAngel   neko, one advice google for brick images
21:24 RealBadAngel   maybe your school is just painted red :P
21:24 NekoGloop      https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1360&bih=677&q=brick&oq=brick&gs_l=img.3..0l10.874.1527.0.2518.5.4.0.1.1.0.161.322.2j2.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.8Lyjr97vU7I
21:24 NekoGloop      I see lots of red.
21:24 ruskie         I see orange red
21:24 NekoGloop      I see the shade of red that my bricks are. :P
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21:25 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: tinyurl
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21:25 VanessaE       gevalt!
21:25 RealBadAngel   shit
21:25 RealBadAngel   sorry
21:25 NekoGloop      or better yet, try uploading images to a valid upload site
21:25 RealBadAngel   just copy pasted the link :)
21:25 VanessaE       RealBadAngel: sorry, mime-encoded imagery does not work well in IRC :-)
21:26 RealBadAngel   http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/public/assets/press/2011/10/1319114027_northcot-brick---cotswold-blend.jpg
21:26 RealBadAngel   thats a nice brick wall
21:26 NekoGloop      again, if you want realism use a realistic texture pack.
21:27 RealBadAngel   since when 16x texture is realistic one?
21:27 NekoGloop      since i started texturing.
21:27 RealBadAngel   go further
21:27 RealBadAngel   make 1x realistic one
21:27 RealBadAngel   that could be real hardcore
21:27 NekoGloop      the above person is only slightly insane
21:28 RealBadAngel   cmon you do have at least 65k of colors for each and only pixel
21:28 RealBadAngel   its more than enough to be realistic
21:29 NekoGloop      1.6 mil
21:29 RealBadAngel   see?
21:29 RealBadAngel   you can texture milions even with single pixel
21:29 NekoGloop      now to texture stone bricks..
21:30 RealBadAngel   i suggest red one
21:30 * NekoGloop    is thinking of just monochroming the brick texture
21:30 VanessaE       ew.
21:30 RealBadAngel   #ff0000
21:30 VanessaE       no.  just, no.
21:30 RealBadAngel   will be just fine
21:30 NekoGloop      VanessaE: hm?
21:30 RealBadAngel   brick from the 1st sight
21:30 VanessaE       [11-08 16:30] * NekoGloop is thinking of just monochroming the brick texture <-- no.
21:30 NekoGloop      why no?
21:31 VanessaE       beee...cause brick isn't supposed to be grey?
21:31 RealBadAngel   using only red is already monochromatic
21:31 NekoGloop      RealBadAngel: I dont use just red
21:31 NekoGloop      i use different shades of red and brown
21:32 RealBadAngel   that what you propably had in mind was desaturation
21:32 NekoGloop      VanessaE: stone brick texture.
21:32 ruskie         I would assume the colour might rely also on the contents of the clay and any additives added to it
21:32 VanessaE       NekoGloop: won't work.  stone bricks need something that looks like stone first, and clay brick ain't it.
21:32 VanessaE       people focus too much on color and shape, but tend to leave out style.
21:32 NekoGloop      can always manually edit
21:39 NekoGloop      stone brick: http://ompldr.org/vZzczbg
21:40 NekoGloop      VanessaE: ^
21:40 VanessaE       um...
21:40 VanessaE       ew?
21:40 NekoGloop      looks better than what we have.
21:41 NekoGloop      would you prefer me to do what i did with marble bricks?
21:41 VanessaE       which was?
21:41 NekoGloop      shrink the marble texture and then tile it
21:42 VanessaE       I dunno
21:42 VanessaE       in this case, the contrast between mortar and the bricks is too stark
21:42 VanessaE       those dark brick edges don't work
21:43 NekoGloop      VanessaE: http://ompldr.org/vZzczcQ
21:43 VanessaE       too muted.
21:46 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzczcw
21:47 NekoGloop      VanessaE: ^
21:47 VanessaE       looking better
21:47 VanessaE       the mortar is too bright though
21:48 cisoun         and the stone a bit too dark
21:48 NekoGloop      VanessaE: what happens when i fuck with too many settings.
21:48 NekoGloop      cisoun: it matches the stone in the texture pack
21:48 NekoGloop      VanessaE: forgot the link. :l http://ompldr.org/vZzczdg
21:48 VanessaE       oh my
21:49 NekoGloop      that happens when i fuck with too many settings.
21:49 VanessaE       graphics FAIL :-)
21:49 cisoun         NekoGloop: ok so as VanessaE said, the mortar is maybe too bright
21:50 NekoGloop      VanessaE: cisoun: http://ompldr.org/vZzczeQ
21:50 cisoun         much better
21:50 VanessaE       not neough contrast nopw
21:50 VanessaE       -p
21:51 cisoun         I would even say less contrast would be better.
21:52 NekoGloop      http://ompldr.org/vZzc0MA
21:52 VanessaE       NekoGloop: too sharp
21:52 VanessaE       otherwise that's about right
21:53 NekoGloop      I like it like this.
22:09 NekoGloop      VanessaE: http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1047/screenshot30876595.png
22:09 VanessaE       looks like a prison wall :-[)
22:09 VanessaE       :-)
22:10 VanessaE       now all you need is some razor wire
22:10 NekoGloop      well those are stone bricks, yes? :3
22:10 VanessaE       stone brick = cinder block?  okay.
22:10 NekoGloop      meh
22:10 NekoGloop      old style prison :3
22:10 VanessaE       heh
22:23 NekoGloop      Meow~!
22:27 VanessaE       bbl
22:50 bulletrulz     hello
22:50 OdnetninI      hi
22:51 bulletrulz     how are you doing?
22:51 OdnetninI      how?
22:52 OdnetninI      ?_?
22:52 bulletrulz     Good Bad And Mijyn LOL NOOOO!
22:55 bulletrulz     9_9
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22:56 celeron55      it's a snake!
22:57 bulletrulz     8=========D its a well you know xD
22:58 bulletrulz     8===========================================================================D
22:59 bulletrulz     thats mine ^
22:59 * bulletrulz   is being a troll
22:59 * bulletrulz   trololololololol
23:14 Uberi|AoS      hey NekoGloop
23:16 NekoGloop      dare i ask about your nick?
23:17 Uberi|AoS      moi?
23:17 NekoGloop      yes.
23:18 Uberi|AoS      Ace of Spades  = AoS :)
23:18 NekoGloop      ah.
23:18 NekoGloop      why not the Ace of Hearts?
23:19 Uberi|AoS      it's an FPS voxel game, really fun
23:19 NekoGloop      i know.
23:24 Octupus        Hi
23:24 Octupus        Is any1 around
23:25 Uberi|AoS      hi Octupus
23:25 Octupus        Hi
23:25 Octupus        Uberi can u help me port forward?
23:26 Octupus        What port to forward for minetest?
23:26 Uberi|AoS      I'll try
23:26 Octupus        thanks :)
23:28 Octupus        i dont know whether TCP or UDP
23:29 Uberi|AoS      Octupus: remote port forward everything on port 30000
23:29 Octupus        ok i got that
23:29 Octupus        i not sure about tcp or udp
23:30 Octupus        kind of hard
23:30 Uberi|AoS      both
23:30 Uberi|AoS      technically, UDP
23:30 Octupus        o
23:30 babyface1031_  hi Octupus
23:30 Uberi|AoS      but IIRC I saw a TCP branch somewhere
23:31 Octupus        hi babyface1031_
23:31 Octupus        im looking for my ip
23:32 Octupus        if u see a octupu on irc that is me
23:32 Octupus        Hello Every1
23:32 NekoGloop      Meow.
23:32 NekoGloop      Octupus: you do know /whois works on yourself, right?
23:33 Octupus        Oh yea :P
23:33 Octupus        what shud happen when i finish port forwarding
23:34 MiJyn          hi Octupus
23:34 Uberi|AoS      you can connect to your host remotely, Octupus
23:34 MiJyn          hi everyone else
23:34 MiJyn          hi world
23:34 MiJyn          whatever
23:34 MiJyn          something
23:34 Octupus        where can i find a lan ip address
23:35 Uberi|AoS      Octupus: try whatismyip.com
23:35 Octupus        i just did
23:35 Octupus        it said it had to be a lan ip
23:36 MiJyn          IP: 199.201.84.23. Personal name: Unknown. Other information: Plays minetest, Plays minecraft
23:36 MiJyn          there :)
23:37 Octupus        is that mine?
23:38 MiJyn          yep :D
23:38 MiJyn          (/whois, the rest was just random information for the heck of it :P)
23:38 Octupus        i just put that shit in it said Server IP address cannot be router's LAN IP address.
23:38 Octupus
23:40 Octupus        MiJyn,^^
23:40 MiJyn          Octupus, well, when I /whois Octupus, it showed 199.201,84,23
23:41 MiJyn          no idea why it didn't work for you
23:41 Octupus        idk whats going on
23:41 Octupus        can simple portforwarding work for minetest?
23:43 Octupus        i wish to make a port for minecraft also :)
23:44 MiJyn          hamachi?
23:44 MiJyn          remobo?
23:45 MiJyn          5.60.682.1