Time  Nick         Message
00:22 Mikeonline   night all
00:46 NekoGloop    Meow.
00:50 OldCoder     Nice kitty
00:51 NekoGloop    :3
00:51 * OldCoder   puts down a kitty trea
00:51 OldCoder     *t
00:51 * NekoGloop  om nom nom ^w^
00:55 zilvarael    O.o Cat... O.o
02:04 T_A_N_K      I see that, we can no longer be together
02:04 T_A_N_K      *NET SPLIT*
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02:04 mrtux        wat
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02:04 T_A_N_K      YOU
02:04 T_A_N_K      STOP SPAMMING
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02:04 ttk2         I dont know what just happened
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02:04 Arkia        um...
02:04 LAD          * vortexlabs is now known as mrtux whats with all this??
02:04 LAD          me??
02:04 LAD          i did not spam
02:04 mrtux        Timing ouy
02:05 mrtux        *out
02:05 LAD          just asking
02:05 T_A_N_K      NO my left big toe
02:33 * zilvarael  wonders how hard it would be to make an RP server out of minetest o.O
02:36 MiJyn        <LandMine> Any of u can assist me with a little lua code?
02:36 MiJyn        dang
02:36 MiJyn        he got in :/
02:50 T_A_N_K      FINALLY
02:50 T_A_N_K      i made it so when you throw an item you don't instantly collect it, but when you dig an item, you do
02:51 T_A_N_K      fixing the instant throw collection bug
02:52 T_A_N_K      in the drops handler with this line "obj:get_luaentity().collect = true" you just have to add "obj:get_luaentity().timer = 1" the line under it
02:53 T_A_N_K      i'll have all the code in the fancy game mode release 0.50
03:02 zilvarael    T_A_N_K: Sounds legit :D
03:32 NekoGloop    :derpface:
03:36 zilvarael    NekoGloop: !!
03:37 * zilvarael  "Metal Gear..... Damn.."
03:37 NekoGloop    Wha...?
03:38 zilvarael    Nothing... just messing around.. Sup man!
03:39 NekoGloop    Do i know you?
03:40 zilvarael    Not yet. O.o
03:40 NekoGloop    Uh... Ok then.
03:40 NekoGloop    Nice to meet you.
03:40 hmmmm        3d perlin noise is going to be super duper fast
03:41 zilvarael    Sorry I dont intend to be creepy or anything just a name like that insinuates of Cats... Plus OldCoder mentioned you before lol
03:41 hmmmm        right now it does 8 noise3d calls per voxel, and with 4096 voxels, that's 32,768 calculations per block
03:42 hmmmm        if i create a 3x3x3 buffer and calculate all the noise values only once, that's only 4096 noise3d calls, which can be reduced by 4 if it's SSE-ified
03:42 hmmmm        which means only 1024 iterations per block! :)
03:42 NekoGloop    Lol
03:42 NekoGloop    zilvarael: Meow. :3
03:42 hmmmm        and if i get AVX code in there, people using Sandy Bridge or newer processors will be able to generate a block with 3d perlin noise in 512 iterations
03:43 hmmmm        zoom
03:44 zilvarael    I'm also an avid anime fan so all things be all good. :D
03:56 NekoGloop    Well i did about nil coding today.
03:57 zilvarael    I did android coding all day Q.Q]
04:02 T_A_N_K      farming's glow in the dark bananas
04:04 NekoGloop    Lol
04:06 T_A_N_K      my gamemode has so much shit in it i have to supply a tutorial level with a bathroom
04:07 zilvarael    T_A_N_K: Normal single toilet or like 10 stall bathroom of pro winning?
04:07 T_A_N_K      all 3 of those 5 things
04:07 zilvarael    O.o
04:07 zilvarael    That much....
07:29 cornernote   hi
07:29 cornernote   is anyone here who has had experience with mapgen ?
07:36 cornernote   ok, it seems that minetest.register_on_generated() is called with region sizes of 79x79x79
07:37 cornernote   i want to spawn something... but i dont want another one of these being spawned within say 400 nodes
07:37 cornernote   do you think find_node_near(pos, radius, nodenames) will kill my server if i search using radius of 200 ?
07:37 cornernote   i'll try it
07:40 cornernote   not as long as i thought
07:40 cornernote   maybe 10-15 seconds
07:41 cornernote   perhaps after placing these things, i store their location in a file
07:41 cornernote   that way i can ensure they aren't too close
07:52 PilzAdam     Hello everyone!
07:54 VanessaE     hi Adam
07:59 cornernote   hey
07:59 PilzAdam     cornernote, news about NPCs?
08:02 cornernote   i had ppl over today
08:02 cornernote   so no real update
08:02 cornernote   im about to code the apples for speed thing
08:03 PilzAdam     not just apples; create a food group
08:03 cornernote   ok
08:03 cornernote   u think it should give him a boost for # of seconds, or # of nodes placed ?
08:04 PilzAdam     seconds
08:04 cornernote   and the group will have levels... like 1,2,3  .. 1 is the best food
08:04 cornernote   so 1 = 10s, 2=6s, 3=3s
08:04 cornernote   ?
08:04 PilzAdam     yes
08:04 PilzAdam     more like 30,15,5
08:04 cornernote   ok
08:04 cornernote   3 is pretty short
08:05 PilzAdam     bread = 1; apple = 3
08:05 PilzAdam     there can be stacks
08:05 PilzAdam     10 apples = 50s
08:05 cornernote   yep
08:05 cornernote   it takes 1 of his slots
08:05 cornernote   and he will fill it with food if available
08:06 PilzAdam     meat = 2
08:20 cornernote   how can i know an apple is food ?
08:20 cornernote   perhaps override default:apple .. or perhaps use groups plus some node names
08:20 PilzAdam     groups + node names
08:21 cornernote   in farming and food mods, what makes an item become food ?
08:21 cornernote   on_use = minetest.item_eat(X),
08:21 cornernote   i guess i'll ask food modders to say food=X in groups
08:43 * VanessaE   peeks in one last time before bed...  Homedecor updated again this morning for anyone who cares :-)
08:43 VanessaE     http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2041
09:08 cornernote   i care, thanks V, i will update my modpacks soon
09:09 VanessaE     if you downloaded, update again, I just pushed another change ;-)
09:20 PilzAdam     clouds: http://ompldr.org/vZnAxbQ
09:20 VanessaE     PilzAdam: interesting.
09:20 jin_xi       Adam: niiice
09:21 PilzAdam     its all in my minetst_game: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game
09:21 VanessaE     you gonna try for various formations eventually?  (e.g. cumulus, cirrus, et.al)
09:21 PilzAdam     just set alternative_clouds = true in minetst.conf
09:21 PilzAdam     VanessaE, i use generate_ore
09:21 VanessaE     ahh
09:21 VanessaE     smart
09:22 PilzAdam     it was NekoGloop's idea
09:22 PilzAdam     and i tweaked it a bit
09:23 VanessaE     you mean the sky-full-of-chests error? ;-)
09:26 PilzAdam     my internet connection: http://ompldr.org/vZnAxbw
09:26 VanessaE     haha
09:28 VanessaE     Ok, time for me to head to bed.  Night all :-)
09:38 * PilzAdam   is bored
09:43 VanessaE     sigh.  no rest for the weary.
09:56 * VanessaE   pokes Jordach - download the latest homedecor - it uses some nodeboxes now ;)
09:58 * Jordach    rips the kitchen kit out of homedecor
09:58 VanessaE     :(
09:58 Jordach      heck, that should be standalone
09:59 * PilzAdam   will never use homedecor
09:59 VanessaE     why not?
09:59 PilzAdam     because its useless for gameplay
10:00 Jordach      PilzAdam - im working on a minetest_game fork
10:00 VanessaE     *shrug* I like to build :-)
10:00 Jordach      I like to pixel art
10:00 PilzAdam     I like to mod
10:00 Jordach      and rub it into VanessaE's face at times :) (you have a go)
10:00 PilzAdam     Jordach, clouds: http://ompldr.org/vZnAxbQ
10:01 Jordach      no.
10:04 Jordach      VanessaE, you woke up early?
10:04 VanessaE     I didn't sleepo
10:04 VanessaE     -o
10:05 Jordach      ohh.
10:05 VanessaE     In fact I spent most of the night working on homedecor.
10:05 Jordach      i would say "go to sleep." but id hear the responce, "you not my mother"
10:05 VanessaE     haha
10:06 VanessaE     actually in this case I have to wait - I just ate breakfast.
10:06 VanessaE     (if I go to bed too soon after eating, it upsets my stomach)
10:08 Jordach      hahaha.
10:08 Jordach      i should get back to my damn fork of minetest game
10:09 Jordach      (balanced gameplay)
10:09 PilzAdam     you will never reach my fork
10:09 Jordach      not adding mobs as of yet - PilzAdam, you'll see
10:09 PilzAdam     i dont have mobs in my fork
10:13 Jordach      nope.
10:13 * Jordach    has awesome idea
10:13 * Jordach    downloads cotton
10:13 Jordach      i found a use for cotton
10:13 PilzAdam     farming mod?
10:13 Jordach      nope.
10:14 PilzAdam     :-(
10:14 Jordach      something completely different
10:15 Jordach      hmm
10:15 Jordach      VanessaE, can i give you a texture and you run it through your coloring script
10:15 * Jordach    is not re-booting for one operation
10:16 VanessaE     sure
10:16 Jordach      lemme generate it
10:22 * VanessaE   waits...
10:22 Jordach      http://ompldr.org/vZnAyMg/cotton_red.png
10:23 Jordach      also; make sure it works with cotton
10:24 VanessaE     http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/cotton_textures.zip
10:24 Jordach      :D
10:24 VanessaE     I'll leave it to you to fix any wrong filenames, but it should work fine.
10:25 Jordach      they all work
10:25 VanessaE     cool.
10:26 * Jordach    is making a full wool gamemode
10:26 Jordach      wool ore, wool torches, wool everything :)
10:26 PilzAdam     then its not a fork of MT_game
10:26 Jordach      PilzAdam - requires the default mapgen
10:28 FreeFull     Wouldn't wool torches burn down really quickly
10:28 Jordach      FreeFull - i have that in the works
10:29 Jordach      glowwool lights in definitely
10:29 cornernote   Although wool will burn under intense fire, it normally self-extinguishes when the flame source is removed. For safety reasons, many airlines use wool or wool blends for the upholstry fabric on their seats. Wool is favored by the U.S. military
10:29 cornernote   i guess it would burn quickly
10:30 FreeFull     cornernote: Yeah, but in minetest wool burns really readily
10:30 Jordach      my cotton jacket just came out of the tumble dryer, real warm :3
10:31 Jordach      oh well
10:31 Jordach      there ends the landmine chapter of minetest
10:31 VanessaE     I already have very nice cotton textures in HDX, so if you do this right I won't have to change anything to support your FabricWorld :-)
10:32 Jordach      VanessaE, think default....but not as you know it
10:32 Jordach      ore generation is gone
10:33 VanessaE     It's Minetest, Jordach, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it... it's Minetest, Jordach, but not as we know it, captain.
10:33 Jordach      +1 for Star Trek
10:33 VanessaE     ....and I ruined the joke anyway....
10:33 VanessaE     :)
10:33 Jordach      still funny
10:33 Jordach      :P
10:33 Jordach      eugh. radio has a crap dj playlist
10:34 VanessaE     There's Mojang on the starboard bow, ... , scrape 'em off Jordach!
10:35 Jordach      lawsuit stations everyone
10:35 VanessaE     haha
10:35 Jordach      VanessaE, legal report
10:36 VanessaE     sorry, I get silly/stupuid when I'
10:36 VanessaE     sorry, I get silly/stupid when I'm tired
10:36 VanessaE     (and my typing suffers worse than usual, to boot)
10:37 Jordach      does cotton:medium_grey exist or cotton:mediumgrey exist
10:37 VanessaE     cotton_darkgrey.png, cotton_grey.png, cotton_lightgrey.png
10:38 * Jordach    talks of node names
10:38 VanessaE     if the mod follows the standard, then it should be cotton:grey.
10:38 VanessaE     (without "medium")
10:39 VanessaE     maybe tomorrow I'll fix the naming bug in the modding template.
10:39 Jordach      so medium is the cotton:red ?
10:39 VanessaE     yup
10:39 Jordach      right
10:39 VanessaE     well no
10:39 VanessaE     "*medium*" shades are darker than shades that don't have a descriptor
10:41 Jordach      the gamemode is fabrication
10:41 VanessaE     in order, it's *dark*, *medium*, no descriptor, and *light*
10:41 Jordach      aye
10:42 VanessaE     so the one you sent me became cotton_red.png/cotton:red
10:42 Jordach      right
10:42 Jordach      got it
10:43 Jordach      i know cotton_dark_red  = cotton:dark_red
10:43 VanessaE     yup
10:45 VanessaE     modding template fixed.
10:45 VanessaE     do me a favor and git pull and see if it still bugs?
10:46 VanessaE     morning cal
10:46 VanessaE     or not.
10:46 PilzAdam     lol
10:46 Jordach      VanessaE - me pull.....on windows
10:46 VanessaE     ok so download the latest zipball then
10:47 * Jordach    is busy with current template
10:49 VanessaE     there. NOW you can download it.
10:49 VanessaE     forgot to update the stand-in textures.
10:59 Jordach      YAY, my fabrication works
11:01 VanessaE     ok, time to give one more try to go to sleep
11:01 VanessaE     night all....again
11:01 VanessaE     Jordach: please download the latest zipball and give it a try, let me know later if it bugs out at all
11:01 VanessaE     *click*
11:02 Jordach      hmm
11:02 Jordach      thats strange
11:02 Jordach      cotton dont work like that with aliases
11:06 Jordach      water and lava physics = done
11:06 Jordach      landmass = non spawning
11:16 cornernote   how do i make a 3d object ?
11:16 cornernote   i have to use a node?  cannot use an object ?
11:17 Jordach      cornernote. nodeboxes are nodes only
11:26 cornernote   found it - this mod shows how to apply a box texture to an object
11:26 cornernote   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2672
11:28 PilzAdam     :-)
11:28 FreeFull     Oh god so many
11:29 cornernote   hi Adam
11:29 cornernote   does anyone have any good player nodebox and/or texture ?
11:30 PilzAdam     that "hi" is a bit late
11:30 cornernote   i just got here
11:30 cornernote   well, a while ago
11:30 cornernote   i am copying vombie textures
11:30 cornernote   i think thats the closest to a player i will find
11:31 PilzAdam     see my mobs mod
11:31 cornernote   but now a vombie builds the houses!  lol
11:33 cornernote   your monster textures seem to be the default player with dirt/etc over them
11:33 cornernote   you dont even use your own nodeboxe trick
11:34 cornernote   with the nodebox, he seems to not face the right direction as well as he did as a sprite
11:35 cornernote   no, i think i know... his off by 90 degrese
11:35 cornernote   so i need to swap the x/z around ?
11:36 cornernote   or perhaps there is a way to tweak the object..
11:36 cornernote   something to do with this - self.object:setyaw(yaw)
11:37 cornernote   yaw+90
11:37 cornernote   works great
11:38 cornernote   no
11:39 cornernote   yes
11:39 cornernote   lol
11:39 cornernote   i dont know, usually it looks right
11:39 cornernote   but sometimes he walks backwards
11:42 cornernote   where you have "yaw = yaw+math.pi"  ... should it be  "yaw = yaw*math.pi"   ?
11:45 cornernote   yaw = (yaw-0.5)*math.pi <<-- that works really well
11:46 iqualfragile what about
11:46 iqualfragile yaw *= math.pi
11:46 cornernote   you can do that in lua ?
11:48 iqualfragile i think so
11:55 Jordach      hmm
12:15 cornernote   NPC builder is now in 3d
12:16 PilzAdam     -1
12:16 cornernote   u dont like nodebox entities ?
12:16 PilzAdam     MT's objects should stay 2D
12:17 cornernote   like until the engine has mesh support
12:17 cornernote   or some better way to do it
12:17 NekoGloop    Cornernote, your nomapgen forum post has a little error in it.
12:18 cornernote   where ?
12:18 cornernote   what error
12:19 NekoGloop    At the very top.
12:19 NekoGloop    The name.
12:19 NekoGloop    The forum post, not the mod itself btw.
12:19 PilzAdam     hi NekoGloop
12:19 cornernote   oh, i see
12:19 cornernote   copy/paste error
12:19 cornernote   thanks
12:20 cornernote   i'll see how they go as 3d, i rekon they look pretty cool
12:21 cornernote   i dont like how unanimated they are tho
12:21 cornernote   at least with 2d u dont expect much
12:22 cornernote   i guess the only way to animate is to have more objects defined
12:22 cornernote   and just do hacky swaps
12:22 cornernote   Adam, u should have said u didnt want 3d npcs.. i probably wouldnt have done it then =)
12:23 PilzAdam     add a param to minetst.conf
12:23 cornernote   ok, support both
12:26 PilzAdam     cornernote, maybe 3d_models so other mods can use the same param
12:26 cornernote   how do you load/save params to that ?
12:26 cornernote   well, just load
12:27 PilzAdam     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L95
12:27 PilzAdam     minetest.setting_get("3d_models")
12:27 cornernote   thanks
12:27 PilzAdam     *getbool
12:28 cornernote   i prefer something like... dont_use_3d_models
12:28 cornernote   so that 3d is the default
12:28 PilzAdam     -1
12:28 cornernote   why do u think to use sprites ?
12:28 cornernote   u never said a reason
12:29 PilzAdam     1st: it looks better; 2nd it was originally in 0.3
12:30 PilzAdam     maybe disable_3d_models
12:30 PilzAdam     but i would prefer 3d_models
12:32 Jordach      PilzAdam, not everyone will bend to your sword
12:32 Jordach      you like moaning at everything "new"
12:33 PilzAdam     like carts? or farming? or TNT?
12:33 Jordach      i mean 3d stuff
12:33 PilzAdam     thats true
12:33 Jordach      everyone who got pissed with MC "probably" wants 3d models
12:34 Jordach      <unrelated> Has anyone used "the powder toy"?
12:34 Jordach      </unrelated>
12:34 PilzAdam     so MT is the trash field for MC's community?
12:34 PilzAdam     i thought its a different game
12:36 NekoGloop    And i thought it was opensource.
12:36 NekoGloop    So can it.
12:36 cornernote   should this work...
12:36 cornernote   minetest.register_entity("towntest_npc:builder", { textures = function()  return {"towntest_npc_builder.png", "towntest_npc_builder_back.png"} end })
12:37 cornernote   instead of   textures = {"towntest_npc_builder.png", "towntest_npc_builder_back.png"}
12:37 PilzAdam     maybe
12:37 cornernote   i think function that returns a table is different to a table
12:37 cornernote   it doesnt seem to work as expected
12:38 PilzAdam     you have to call a function that returns a table and not store a function in the textures field
12:39 NekoGloop    With a little testing tool i made, functions in node/entitydefs need to be called.
12:40 NekoGloop    To make them work in cases they arent meant to be used, anyway.
12:43 cornernote   last commit for the night - 2d npc is default
12:43 PilzAdam     yay!
12:44 Mikeonline   hi
12:44 PilzAdam     hi
12:44 cornernote   i feel its a shame, but i also feel 3d things dont look that good
12:44 cornernote   objects lack movement
12:44 cornernote   but when they are 2d, you dont expect them to move
12:45 Jordach      yeah
12:46 Jordach      but animated sprites would be nice
12:46 Jordach      :)
12:48 Jordach      yay, no more bugs
12:49 Jordach      hmm
12:56 Jordach      VanessaE - it works
12:56 * Jordach    waits for grass to grow]
13:28 * PilzAdam   is bored
13:28 NekoGloop    Then go make another mod
13:29 PilzAdam     im out of ideas
13:29 jin_xi       adam: i see you did some source diving: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=45395#p45395
13:29 PilzAdam     jin_xi, not realy
13:30 jin_xi       ok. if you're bored, mapgen.cpp is an interesting read
13:30 PilzAdam     ive just search in a old commit where to add it in current version
13:30 PilzAdam     i dont know c++ very well
13:31 jin_xi       oh, ok
13:33 jin_xi       i like your clouds, maybe work on those using the weather effects you did earlier?
13:34 PilzAdam     dripping water mod adds water drops under cloud nodes
13:36 jin_xi       oh ok
13:41 NekoGloop    My. Clouds.
13:41 Jordach      dat cloud
13:42 Jordach      hmmmm, how does one make custom biomes?
13:42 PilzAdam     c++
13:42 Jordach      PilzAdam - im talking about injecting LUA points, as well as, c++
13:43 Jordach      like this: minetest.register_alias("mapgen_stone", "default:stone")
13:43 Jordach      thats the LUA side, general (no need to touch) biomes are c++
13:45 PilzAdam     Jordach, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41464#p41464
13:46 * Jordach    makes a city biome
13:47 Jordach      PilzAdam, ever played Left for Dead 1/2?
13:47 PilzAdam     no
13:47 PilzAdam     but resident evil
13:47 PilzAdam     4&5
13:47 Jordach      aw man, they often shout, if found: PILZ HERE
13:47 * PilzAdam   has to get this game... NOW
13:48 Jordach      its Valve.....expect steam, and is on Xbox Live
13:49 * Jordach    is converting a mc texture pack for T_A_N_K
13:53 PilzAdam     how do i create random numbers that depend on the block seed?
13:53 PilzAdam     local pr = PseudoRandom(seed)
13:54 Jordach      see ore code
13:55 PilzAdam     i know, <PilzAdam> local pr = PseudoRandom(seed) <- that was the solution
13:55 Jordach      *facepalm*
13:56 Jordach      icallitvera, hello!
13:56 icallitvera  hello
14:00 * PilzAdam   is working on better cloud generation
14:01 iqualfragile great
14:01 rubenwardy   stronghold 2 now... :D
14:01 NekoGloop    Good because my cloud generation sucks.
14:04 Jordach      NekoGloop, y u no use old akalin spawning mechanism
14:04 Jordach      for clouds
14:04 NekoGloop    "Old"?
14:05 Jordach      where it was everywhere
14:05 NekoGloop    1) wasnt changed :/
14:05 PilzAdam     what do you think? http://www.zimg.eu/i/2292540813
14:05 NekoGloop    2) pilzadam made it be in "spurts" not me,
14:05 NekoGloop    PilzAdam: Me want. Me want now.
14:05 PilzAdam     wait a bit
14:06 Jordach      PilzAdam, do you do PC gaming
14:06 PilzAdam     a bit
14:07 Jordach      i do to
14:07 Jordach      too*
14:09 * Jordach    has a better connection than rubenwardy1, bus is on the same ISP
14:09 Jordach      s/bus/but
14:12 PilzAdam     https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/45828c06e662ea8aef1d88791c894452a94008ed
14:12 PilzAdam     ^ cloud generation done
14:16 PilzAdam     im #1 https://github.com/languages/Lua/updated
14:16 Jordach      PilzAdam, i'd change the cloud height to reflect realism
14:16 PilzAdam     to what values?
14:17 Jordach      keep if maxp.y < 75 or minp.y > 350 then
14:17 Jordach      (in fact clouds generate even higher, just make them humanly possible to get)
14:18 Jordach      if you follow realism
14:18 PilzAdam     i make them up to 400
14:18 PilzAdam     anything else to tweak?
14:19 Jordach      not really, no
14:19 * Jordach    needs to get to work again
14:20 PilzAdam     https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/9a393f80551eef682ed09e631a75d3dbefff7edc
14:22 PilzAdam     updated: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=43366#p43366
14:42 OldCoder     VanessaE, has homedecor been updated again
14:43 OldCoder     PilzAdam, then mod your mods
14:44 Calinou      then mod your mods' mods
14:45 Jordach      o hai Calinou
14:45 Calinou      hi
14:45 Jordach      thexyz - should you update xdoors2 to support any texture (with alpha) because following your rules is almost impossible
14:46 Calinou      use only one nodebox per door
14:46 Calinou      make the door 3 pixels thick
14:46 Calinou      == full minecraft texture compatibility
14:47 Jordach      Calinou - already did that
14:47 Calinou      he did?
14:47 Jordach      nope :(
14:47 Calinou      convincing harsh linux users is hard
14:48 Jordach      yep.
14:49 hmmmm        jordach, the current mapgen's biome system really doesn't do anything aisde from select the type of blocks being placed
14:49 hmmmm        so hold off on that
14:49 Jordach      dammit
14:50 Jordach      thats the bit that needs a "full re-write"
14:50 * Calinou    quotes himself in #minecrafthelp: <Calinou> celerons are not high end CPUs
14:50 hmmmm        the entire mapgen is getting a rewrite
14:50 Calinou      >:(
14:50 hmmmm        :|
14:50 hmmmm        and noise.cpp as well
14:50 hmmmm        perlin noise is going to be near instantaneous
14:50 Jordach      i know. if he had chose a better system at 0.2 we would have a nice changeable system......but nope.
14:50 hmmmm        for an entire block i'd only need to call noise2d() an average of 4 times
14:52 Jordach      pretty much
14:53 Jordach      Calinou, regarding your celeron55 mock, you know why Minetest is getting fatter?
14:54 Calinou      it isn't
14:54 Calinou      the render speedup as of 0.4.3 works well
14:54 Calinou      and there's a patch that makes mapgen 2x faster
14:54 Jordach      Calinou - not if you have a 6 year old computer
14:54 Jordach      running from the default build
14:54 Calinou      tune all video settings down :P
14:54 Jordach      i do
14:55 Jordach      point is; c55 bought a super high-end gaming tower
14:55 Calinou      reduce view distance to something like 40
14:55 Jordach      Calinou 25 = 40fps
14:55 Jordach      c55 went and bought a 1000euro + computer
14:56 Calinou      he did not
14:57 Calinou      he has shit computers
14:57 rubenwardy   can some one give me an on_step example?
14:57 Calinou      mesecons do
14:57 Calinou      (pressure plates)
14:57 Calinou      jeija approves!
14:57 Jordach      literally on_step
14:57 rubenwardy   no
14:57 rubenwardy   i want to do a function every 30 secs
14:59 rubenwardy   minetest.register_globalstep(func(dtime))    ?
15:00 * Jordach    wishes nekogloops gloopores was not so complicated
15:00 * Jordach    also wishes for a more clean moreores
15:00 * PilzAdam   is back
15:00 Calinou      to install gloopores: boot the ISO, chroot to /gloopores, mount a partition, partition it with MBR under gloopfs
15:00 Calinou      hi PilzAdam
15:01 PilzAdam     hi Calinou
15:01 Calinou      more clean moreores?
15:01 Calinou      marktraceur rewrote it to remove all copypasta
15:01 Calinou      hence the GPL
15:02 Jordach      so - nowadays, who gives a fuck about licensing?
15:03 Calinou      FOSS zealots like marktraceur. 8)
15:03 PilzAdam     who is this https://github.com/sebastiansam55 ?
15:04 Jordach      not Perttu "celeron55" Ahola
15:04 PilzAdam     he starred my fork of MT_game
15:04 PilzAdam     so he is a very wise person
15:04 Jordach      PilzAdam - no clue, people randomly star things for no reason
15:07 rubenwardy   how do you show the black console box while playing minetest in linux?
15:07 PilzAdam     F10?
15:07 rubenwardy   no, console box, not chat box
15:08 PilzAdam     start it in a terminal with ./minetest
15:08 Jordach      cd /minetest/bin/
15:08 rubenwardy   thanks
15:08 Jordach      then ./minetest
15:16 OldCoder     Hi. Can I get a quick explanation of Creative Mode? The webpages aren't too clear. What is it, exactly?
15:16 OldCoder     MrSparkle, Hi
15:17 OldCoder     render speedup? Should I add this?
15:17 Calinou      <Jordach> cd /minetest/bin/
15:17 Calinou      not everyone puts a folder named "minetest" in their root folder
15:17 Calinou      :P
15:17 Calinou      OldCoder: you can take items from the menu at the left of the inventory
15:17 OldCoder     Calinou, Go on
15:17 Calinou      you are not invincible, though, and items are still limited in the main inventory
15:18 OldCoder     So this is O.K. for the open world?
15:18 Calinou      you lose items when building and gain them when mining
15:18 Calinou      items ARE infinite
15:18 OldCoder     Good for a learning world then
15:18 Calinou      depends if you want people to play "legit" or "creative" :P
15:18 OldCoder     For learning creative is appropriate
15:18 OldCoder     I can toggle this for a world that already exists, right?
15:18 PilzAdam     yes
15:18 OldCoder     ty
15:19 Calinou      creative_mode = 1 in minetest.conf
15:19 OldCoder     or true
15:19 OldCoder     ty
15:20 OldCoder     Adding another world or two today
15:20 OldCoder     It's like the potato chips from 30 years ago
15:20 OldCoder     You can't do just one
15:20 OldCoder     :p
15:21 * Calinou    is license arguing in #bukkitdev @ espernet
15:23 OldCoder     Any mod updates or new worlds that I should include today?
15:24 OldCoder     Or has the engine been patched?
15:24 Jordach      OldCoder - fyi - french fries from McDonalds have no starch
15:24 OldCoder     Thank you
15:24 OldCoder     But I am at a loss for the context
15:24 OldCoder     Is there a French Fry mod?
15:24 Jordach      worlds? youre hosting enough
15:24 OldCoder     Not nearly
15:24 OldCoder     More! more!
15:24 OldCoder     :-)
15:24 Jordach      [16:24:29] <OldCoder> Is there a French Fry mod? DONT GIVE rubenwardy ideas.
15:24 rubenwardy   forgot about chips...
15:25 OldCoder     Fish too
15:25 OldCoder     Fisn 'n' chips for our U.K. friends
15:25 rubenwardy   sounds good
15:25 OldCoder     Somebody fix workers. They were cute but crashy.
15:25 OldCoder     Had to go.
15:25 rubenwardy   will put it in the next version
15:25 OldCoder     k
15:26 Jordach      rubenwardy, now you reminded me of the chippy in norwich (they use beef dripping,.. :) )
15:26 rubenwardy   curry sauce... ummmm
15:26 OldCoder     Vindaloo curry
15:28 Jordach      OldCoder - veggie dhansak
15:28 Jordach      :)
15:28 OldCoder     Hmm
15:28 OldCoder     Is that a mod?
15:28 Jordach      nope. :)
15:28 OldCoder     Aww
15:29 Jordach      problem is; it's damn HOT!!!
15:29 OldCoder     Good
15:29 OldCoder     Hot is not || bad
15:29 Jordach      (and in our family, the hotter, the better)
15:29 OldCoder     Very well
15:29 Calinou      inb4 "baguette" mod
15:31 Jordach      Calinou - three bread from PilzAdam's farming
15:32 Calinou      inb4 "croissant" mod then
15:32 OldCoder     k
15:33 rubenwardy   food mod...
15:34 Jordach      is gunna explode
15:36 Calinou      exploding food
15:38 rubenwardy   in lua, is = or == the correct thing for checking if something is the same as something else
15:38 Jordach      like that time i ran a resturaunt that sold exploding cupcakes
15:40 Calinou      rubenwardy: ==
15:40 Calinou      == means equal
15:40 Calinou      ~= not equal
15:44 * Jordach    is getting tired of converting Ovo's Rustic pack
15:44 OldCoder     Jordach, then make your own entire tree as you said. It will be interesting to see.
15:44 rubenwardy   food expansion pack: deadly foods.    vombie meat, radiactive vombie pie, exploding cup cake
15:45 Jordach      rubenwardy, exploding cupcake always kills
15:45 Jordach      its tnt for kids!
15:49 Basstard`    Calinou: Pyrite.
15:52 OldCoder     Please comment on these mods: animatedtorches clean infinitytools locked_sign maptools 3dforniture
15:52 OldCoder     Which are stable?
15:52 OldCoder     BTW Why 3dforniture and not 3dfurniture?
15:53 OldCoder     Jordach, PilzAdam, Calinou: Sorry to trouble you but ^
15:54 OldCoder     Oh, and sethome
15:54 PilzAdam     animatedtorches is in upstream
15:54 OldCoder     Safe to use?
15:54 Jordach      no, they are in minetest game already
15:54 PilzAdam     clean is from me -> stable
15:54 OldCoder     All right
15:54 OldCoder     That's two of them
15:54 Jordach      infinitytools is bad because they are mese speed + endless
15:54 PilzAdam     dunno the others
15:55 OldCoder     All right
15:55 Jordach      locked sign can crash the map if they have data and are dug
15:55 OldCoder     So the others are probably for special worlds only
15:55 OldCoder     k
15:55 Jordach      3dforniture is for general usage
15:55 OldCoder     O.K. to use?
15:55 Jordach      maptools is for map making
15:55 Jordach      yes, it makes furniture
15:55 OldCoder     3d* and maptools are safe for general set?
15:57 rubenwardy   I think this might solve the map gen problem when out of disk memory: https://gist.github.com/3807215/ this error occurs on redcrab 's 0.4.3 server
15:57 OldCoder     Reviewing
15:57 OldCoder     rubenwardy, do you think maptools are safe for general set?
15:57 rubenwardy   like WorldEdit?
15:58 rubenwardy   not really, it would cause tons of lag if everyone on a server used it
15:58 OldCoder     I am not familiar with the mod; that's why I'm asking
15:58 OldCoder     O.K.
15:58 OldCoder     So just clean and 3dforniture go into the general set
15:58 OldCoder     The others are special case
16:00 OldCoder
16:01 Jordach      OldCoder, pretty much
16:01 OldCoder     I think M13 fork has 3D players. Is that server or client side?
16:01 OldCoder     K thanks
16:01 OldCoder     I am preparing new worlds etc. now
16:01 Jordach      m13 fork needs special requirements
16:01 OldCoder     So your time is not wasted
16:01 OldCoder     Yes
16:01 OldCoder     What about the 3D characters?
16:01 Jordach      since it can only work with itself
16:01 OldCoder     Yes
16:01 Jordach      they look and feel horrible
16:01 OldCoder     No 3D characters then
16:01 Jordach      (take it from someone who used it)
16:01 OldCoder     From that fork
16:02 OldCoder     All right
16:02 Jordach      Calinou will tell you
16:02 Jordach      they look horrible
16:02 OldCoder     No need; just checking
16:02 Calinou      i have been highlighted
16:02 OldCoder     Thanks
16:02 OldCoder     No need; just checking
16:02 Calinou      <OldCoder> BTW Why 3dforniture and not 3dfurniture?
16:02 Calinou      because spanish
16:02 OldCoder     Ah!
16:02 * Jordach    thinks OldCoder - is a robot
16:02 OldCoder     O.K.
16:02 OldCoder     Jordach, you know what I am
16:02 OldCoder     being the same thing yourself
16:02 OldCoder     :-)
16:02 Calinou      <OldCoder> rubenwardy, do you think maptools are safe for general set?
16:02 Jordach      its how you say the busy messages
16:02 Calinou      maptools' stuff should only be given to admins
16:02 Calinou      you have to be careful with it
16:02 OldCoder     All right
16:03 Jordach      or cheating in S.P
16:03 OldCoder     Thank you again
16:03 OldCoder     This is about releasing mrtux world for 0.4.3
16:03 OldCoder     I am running a copy for him but it is 0.4.1 only
16:03 Calinou      unbreakable blocks can be only removed with worldedit or admin pickaxe
16:03 OldCoder     Yes
16:03 Calinou      a very basic form of protection
16:03 Calinou      useful for protecting very specific blocks
16:04 PilzAdam     hi T_A_N_K
16:04 T_A_N_K      ello pilzadam
16:05 Jordach      T_A_N_K im about 60% done with Ovo's Rustic
16:05 T_A_N_K      yay!
16:05 Jordach      supports; default, bucket, moreores, moreblocks, maptools, gloopores, doors
16:05 Jordach      if you want more; telle me
16:06 T_A_N_K      mesecons
16:08 * Jordach    shakes head
16:08 Jordach      oh no -- mesecons!
16:08 Jordach      i hate texturing mesecons as much as i hate landmine
16:09 OldCoder     That's a heapin' helpin' of hatin'
16:09 OldCoder     :-)
16:10 OldCoder     PilzAdam, may wish to add depends.txt to clean mod
16:10 OldCoder     Holding just default I assume
16:10 PilzAdam     why?
16:10 OldCoder     It doesn't load in new game
16:10 OldCoder     Otherwise
16:10 OldCoder     Latest MT seems to require the file
16:10 PilzAdam     theres no need for depends.txt
16:10 OldCoder     I got fatal errors without it
16:11 OldCoder     So I've been adding it to mods
16:11 PilzAdam     let me check...
16:12 PilzAdam     wb
16:12 T_A_N_K      ty
16:12 Calinou      Jordach: see how I textured mesecons in misa :P the wires look pretty good
16:13 Jordach      Calinou, can you do that?
16:13 Jordach      anything TOO complicated - ill pass
16:15 PilzAdam     OldCoder, it works fine without
16:15 OldCoder     All right
16:15 OldCoder     I encountered the error. Will check it again sometime. Thanks.
16:15 Calinou      misa pack now has support for PilzAdam's TNT mod
16:15 OldCoder     It may have been in an odd context
16:15 Calinou      burning TNT texture is animated :D
16:17 OldCoder     MuadTralk, wb
16:17 Jordach      hi MuadTralk
16:17 Calinou      who is MuadTralk?
16:17 Calinou      sdzen..
16:17 Calinou      why the rename?
16:17 MuadTralk    i got bored
16:18 MuadTralk    i still use both
16:18 OldCoder     It's an interesting name
16:18 OldCoder     Comes from Muad'Dib
16:18 OldCoder     IIRC
16:19 OldCoder     Muad'Dib is the One Who Points the Way. Muad'Tralk will find his own way.
16:21 OldCoder     Or blaze a new path.
16:21 Calinou      https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/256 < VanessaE, are you a coder? :o
16:21 * Jordach    smells star trek
16:21 OldCoder     Jordach, close; same era but more philosphical
16:22 OldCoder     The Muad'Dib is admired for its ability to thrive under difficult conditions.
16:23 hmmmm        oh wait a minute
16:23 hmmmm        vanessae, are you there?
16:25 Jordach      time for MoreOres
16:25 OldCoder     It's Always Time for MoreOres!
16:25 Basstard`    Pyrite!
16:25 OldCoder     Fools Gold?
16:26 Basstard`    Yep, or catgold in another language.
16:26 OldCoder     Ah
16:27 Jordach      Calinou, you should add pyrite into moreores
16:28 Jordach      and add this as the description for the ingot "Pyrite Ingot"
16:28 Jordach      (but leave the lump as "Gold Lump"
16:28 Jordach      (troll some people)
16:28 Jordach      )
16:29 * Jordach    thinks food is on the table
16:29 OldCoder     Is it a 3D table?
16:34 Calinou      no pyrite, 5 ores are enough
16:34 Calinou      (total in the game: 8)
16:34 Calinou      feel free to add it yourself
16:42 T_A_N_K      pilzadam why does your modified inventory take so long for the game to start?
16:42 T_A_N_K      i mean, it doesn't in minitest, but it does in fancy, it's strange
16:42 PilzAdam     are you sure its this mod?
16:43 Jordach      is mesecons installed?
16:43 * Jordach    slaps Jordach with a IPv6 IP address
16:44 T_A_N_K      yes and yes
16:44 Jordach      take out mesecons
16:44 PilzAdam     take out everything except the inv mod
16:44 T_A_N_K      lolwut
16:44 PilzAdam     and then test the speed
16:46 T_A_N_K      i did, it's the inventory mod
16:46 PilzAdam     cant be
16:46 T_A_N_K      i definately know it's the inventory mod, what does this do exactly?
16:46 PilzAdam     the inv mod from minitest?
16:46 T_A_N_K      yep
16:47 PilzAdam     have you deleted this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/blob/master/mods/inventory/init.lua#L18 ?
16:47 PilzAdam     it redefines every item
16:47 PilzAdam     thats causes this huge load time
16:48 T_A_N_K      ohhh, so all i have to do is remove the second part?
16:48 PilzAdam     jep
16:48 T_A_N_K      giid
16:54 OldCoder     I don't see animatedtorches mod in minetest_game. That was pulled from the ZIP on the official site. Should I git clone minetest_game instead?
16:54 PilzAdam     yes
16:54 OldCoder     PilzAdam, git clone link is?
16:54 OldCoder     Thank you btw
16:55 OldCoder     This is for useful work
16:55 PilzAdam     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git
16:55 OldCoder     Oh; I have that
16:55 OldCoder     O.K.; so it's in the master git
16:55 OldCoder     Checking
16:55 OldCoder     PilzAdam, it isn't in there
16:56 PilzAdam     ooops. its https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game.git
16:56 OldCoder     The games folder for a git clone of that link is empty except for minimal
16:56 OldCoder     Yes
16:56 OldCoder     Thanks!
16:57 OldCoder     PilzAdam, I hesitate to disturb you again but I don't see animated torches in there. Was whoever said animated torches are in upstream mistaken?
16:58 OldCoder     I see default animated torches
16:58 OldCoder     in textures
16:58 OldCoder     As PNG files
16:58 OldCoder     Do those replace the old mod in some way?
16:58 Jordach      remove the old default folder from the games folder
16:58 OldCoder     Jordach, I know
16:59 Jordach      insert new folder from git
16:59 OldCoder     Not the question
16:59 OldCoder     I have done that
16:59 OldCoder     Question is about animated torches mod
16:59 Jordach      c55 intergrated that
16:59 OldCoder     Somebody indicated animated torches were in upstream
16:59 PilzAdam     it is animated: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L1102
16:59 OldCoder     O.K.
16:59 OldCoder     Fine and thank you
16:59 OldCoder     So the old animated torches mod should simply be dropped
16:59 PilzAdam     yes
17:00 OldCoder     I assume there is no way to carry old torches over to the new game
17:00 OldCoder     MuadTralk, wb
17:00 Jordach      https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/0722c8064b30b80cae2870b78709bb10de259000
17:00 PilzAdam     OldCoder, the old are the same as the new
17:00 OldCoder     Last question and I won't disturb you again on this. If there is a world that relied on the old mod; will its torches carry over?
17:00 Jordach      nope.
17:01 PilzAdam     yes
17:01 * OldCoder   shrugs
17:01 OldCoder     Nopeyes
17:01 OldCoder     We will see :-)
17:01 OldCoder     Yesno
17:01 PilzAdam     YesYes
17:01 OldCoder     Sisi
17:01 OldCoder     All right
17:01 PilzAdam     DaDa
17:01 OldCoder     kk
17:01 OldCoder     MaMa
17:01 PilzAdam     kaykay
17:02 * OldCoder   laughs and pokes gingerly at mods. Will they explode?
17:02 PilzAdam     TNT -> yes
17:02 PilzAdam     others -> no :-(
17:03 OldCoder     I should review that one
17:03 OldCoder     No exploding Vindaloo Curry then
17:08 Jordach      OldCoder - what the hell have you been eating then?
17:08 Jordach      :D
17:08 OldCoder     Jordach, PM
17:10 Jordach      VanessaE, present?:
17:17 OldCoder     Shutting down servers for a while to add stuff. Possibly 30 minutes; more or less.
17:17 PilzAdam     you can add mods when the server is running
17:17 OldCoder     PilzAdam, I know
17:17 OldCoder     Doing more than that
17:18 OldCoder     I am developing a server framework. All sorts of little pieces. Time to rebuild everything.
17:18 OldCoder     None of this manual peek and poke
17:18 OldCoder     It's all automated
17:27 tripod
17:29 OldCoder     Has the gates mod been removed from upstream? I am syncing patches with the git minetest_game
17:29 OldCoder     Need to know these points to get everything working properly
17:29 PilzAdam     there never was a gates mod...
17:29 OldCoder     Hmm
17:29 OldCoder     That is very odd
17:30 OldCoder     As I had a patch for gates until just now
17:30 Calinou      forums are down
17:30 OldCoder     Checking
17:30 PilzAdam     Calinou, yes
17:30 * Calinou    edits his page
17:30 Calinou      https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/calinou_minetest_stuff.html there 8)
17:31 Calinou      just had to uncomment some lines
17:31 OldCoder     Ah
17:31 OldCoder     It is apparently a NekoGloop mod
17:31 OldCoder     PilzAdam, ^
17:31 PilzAdam     what?
17:31 OldCoder     NekoGloop seems to have a gates mod; which I am using
17:32 OldCoder     Yep
17:34 PilzAdam     Calinou, forums are back
17:41 PilzAdam     http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=31
17:44 Jordach      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3
17:44 PilzAdam     lol http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=15#p15
17:45 * Jordach    looks at Cisoun's join date; first day of the forums
17:46 PilzAdam     well, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=32#p32 <- goal missed :-p
17:47 Jordach      <celeron55> Secondly, I want to keep the game simple and leave the library dependencies to a bare minimum.
17:48 Jordach      BULLSHIT
17:55 PilzAdam     this mod doesnt work: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1006
17:57 FreeFull     How did it break?
17:57 Jordach      PilzAdam - its old, very old
17:57 Jordach      thats my first mod
17:57 Jordach      from the time without animation, nodeboxes, or anything
17:58 thexyz       PilzAdam: why do you need it?
17:58 PilzAdam     it should be moved to old mods
17:58 Jordach      point
17:58 hmmmm        what sort of mods would you guys do if you could find the ambient temperature at a certain point of space in a map?
17:59 Jordach      22' Celcius
17:59 Jordach      Centigrade
17:59 thexyz       oh
17:59 thexyz       moved
17:59 Jordach      or use the average world temprature
17:59 PilzAdam     this isnt a mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1273
18:00 hmmmm        there is no such thing as an average world temperature - it'd require way too much computation and it'd probably even off
18:00 hmmmm        you'd be able to get the average temperature for certain sectors though.
18:01 Jordach      what season are we asking from?
18:01 Jordach      actually wait
18:01 Jordach      idea
18:04 Jordach      http://paste.ubuntu.com/1252349/
18:04 hmmmm        that's already been done
18:04 hmmmm        i'm talking about mods
18:05 hmmmm        I hope this'll clear it up http://paste.ubuntu.com/1252350/
18:05 PilzAdam     You cant remove blocks from this mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1013
18:06 PilzAdam     this mod is already upstream: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1184
18:07 PilzAdam     this mod says in its first post that its outdated: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1663
18:10 * Jordach    's rage went up
18:16 PilzAdam     this mod doesnt work: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=745
18:20 PilzAdam     gtg
18:20 PilzAdam     bye
18:20 OldCoder     11:17:58: ERROR[main]: TextureSource::buildMainAtlas(): Atlas is full, not adding more textures.
18:20 OldCoder     I've been getting that all week. Does anybody know how to address it?
18:24 Jordach      minetest.conf
18:24 Jordach      add enable_texture_atlas = false
18:27 Calinou      texture atlas should probably be disabled by default; it is not modding-ready
18:27 Calinou      or automatically disabled when you have any mods
18:27 NekoGloop    agreed
18:28 Jordach      thexyz, present?
18:30 MrSparkle    old coder, hi?
18:30 MrSparkle    er oldcoder
18:30 OldCoder     MrSparkle, Hi
18:30 OldCoder     Mr, why so Sparkle?
18:31 OldCoder     Servers coming back soon; with a ninth world
18:32 Jordach      T_A_N_K - textures complete
18:33 T_A_N_K      awesome
18:38 thexyz       Jordach: yep
18:39 Jordach      could you change xdoors2 to support any shaped texture?
18:39 Calinou      ^ just use one nodebox per node
18:39 Calinou      3 pixel wide preferably
18:39 Calinou      for full MC texture compatibility
18:39 Calinou      and it looks good :P
18:40 thexyz       why should i make it compatible with mc textures?
18:40 Calinou      because.
18:41 Jordach      because converting from norm. doors, to xdoors2, texture wise is fuckoff hard
18:41 thexyz       because...?
18:41 Jordach      VanessaE - struggled to get a good one to work
18:47 NekoGloop    Meow.
18:57 * VanessaE   wanders in
18:58 OldCoder     NekoGloop: Meow back. Nine worlds now:
18:59 OldCoder     http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/
18:59 NekoGloop    cool.
18:59 OldCoder     Restarting servers
19:01 OldCoder     Servers restarted. Nine worlds running. Accepting applications for world #10 now.
19:02 T_A_N_K      i'll take that spot
19:02 T_A_N_K      server specs?
19:04 OldCoder     T_A_N_K, Hi
19:04 * OldCoder   is writing
19:04 T_A_N_K      hello
19:06 OldCoder     T_A_N_K, ATM it is an AWS ECS Small Instance. May be too expensive for me so I'm evaluating other options. U.S. server but may set up servers in Europe as well for MT Europe friends to use. Seems to have enough CPU and RAM to host 10 worlds without problems. But most of them aren't active. I'd like to add more worlds that are built up a bit. I have enough empty worlds now.
19:06 OldCoder
19:06 OldCoder     Note: AWS EC2 Small is one tier up from Micro.
19:06 OldCoder
19:07 T_A_N_K      no thank you then
19:07 OldCoder     All right
19:08 OldCoder     Issue is that you don't have a built-up world? O.K.
19:08 Jordach      thexyz, http://imgur.com/QPWG9,ecubG#0
19:08 Jordach      its annoying without that change
19:13 VanessaE     Jordach: it's impossible to support just any user-supplied shaped texture, without redefining the nodeboxes
19:13 Jordach      VanessaE, thats a SINGLE nodebox
19:14 Jordach      not 6
19:14 T_A_N_K      lag tester
19:14 T_A_N_K      minetest.register_chatcommand("ping", {
19:14 T_A_N_K      params = "",
19:14 T_A_N_K      description = "Test the lag",
19:14 T_A_N_K      privs = {},
19:14 T_A_N_K      func = function(name, param)
19:14 T_A_N_K      minetest.chat_send_player(name, "Pong!")
19:14 T_A_N_K      end
19:14 T_A_N_K      })
19:14 VanessaE     uh huh...and where are the sides? :-)
19:15 VanessaE     afternoon jin
19:15 jin_xi       hi guys
19:15 OldCoder     VanessaE, Hello. Nine worlds now.
19:15 VanessaE     OldCoder: I saw
19:15 VanessaE     cool
19:15 OldCoder     k
19:15 OldCoder     :-)
19:16 VanessaE     Jordach: so, where are the edges of the door/window framing? :-)
19:16 Jordach      om
19:18 NekoGloop    PilzAdam, your new cloud generation sucks.
19:19 NekoGloop    my purple clouds look like candy
19:19 Jordach      http://imgur.com/lnRFB,7UA2k,LVEq9,zqbUt,vcBxC,Bsu0O
19:19 Jordach      that
19:19 Jordach      my fix vs normal (note the edges)
19:19 Jordach      (the more poop like colour)
19:19 VanessaE     in other words,
19:20 VanessaE     you made the window area 2D.
19:20 Jordach      the alpha channel is key
19:20 Jordach      and it works like the default door texture wise
19:21 VanessaE     your 'fix' means that the window area can't have proper 3d boards running across it
19:21 VanessaE     everything will be 2d in that area
19:21 T_A_N_K      jordach, can you post your ovo port?
19:21 VanessaE     so it might work for glass or wrought iron or something, but not for wood or anything that needs to have some thickn ess
19:22 Jordach      VanessaE, see minecraft texture pack doors
19:22 VanessaE     now on a different note...
19:22 Jordach      T_A_N_K justa sec
19:23 VanessaE     if I spawn an entity, is there a way to ensure it survives a server restart, map load/unload, etc?
19:24 jin_xi       ensure it in its on_activate function
19:26 VanessaE     I'll have to pick your brain later about that. :-)
19:26 VanessaE     as I recall you had it pretty well figured out ;D
19:26 NekoGloop    it should by default
19:26 NekoGloop    you shouldnt have to force it to do that
19:26 NekoGloop    re: annoying error messages when removing mobs mods
19:27 VanessaE     oh ok
19:27 VanessaE     good point
19:27 VanessaE     I just seem to remember reading where someone had problems with them disappearing under some conditions
19:29 VanessaE     it occurred to me a while back to try using them in places where I have mostly full size node (perhaps made of nodeboxes) but where I'd like some part of it, or something that appears attached to it, to have different textures than the main part.
19:30 VanessaE     an entity spawned next to/on top of/under/inside the node, positioned and oriented to fill in the missing bits, would do that
19:30 NekoGloop    gl hf
19:30 Jordach      VanessaE - http://imgur.com/a/DG25l
19:30 Jordach      also has default door for compariison
19:30 NekoGloop    -1 for mc textures
19:31 VanessaE     NekoGloop: don't you mean -1 for MC ?
19:31 Jordach      NekoGloop - i changed xdoors2 to support any window shape
19:31 VanessaE     look at the toolbar
19:31 NekoGloop    ?!
19:31 VanessaE     hell, look at the font and filename the screenshot is saved as
19:32 NekoGloop    horrible trolling detected.
19:50 Basstard`    NekoGloop: Selfaware?
19:50 VanessaE     ok, now I'm back
19:50 NekoGloop    well i sensed your prescence.
20:09 hmmmm        I just got perlin noise twice as fast again!
20:09 hmmmm        and it's pretty unoptimal right now too
20:10 hmmmm        i still need to figure out how i can get these if statements out of this loop, branch predictions hurt a lot
20:10 hmmmm        mispredictions rather
20:11 hmmmm        actually that's more than twice as fast if you take out the malloc and the memcpy
20:13 VanessaE     cool
21:10 Mikeonline   isnt there a /teleport VanessaE toMe command?
21:16 Mikeonline   it is :)
21:26 LandMineMt   hi :)
21:28 OldCoder     A reverse teleport?
21:29 OldCoder     Could be useful
21:30 thexyz       that should be called /bring
21:33 VanessaE     Mikeonline: what's up?
21:42 * MrSparkle  listening to Door C418 - [Minecraft - Volume Alpha #02] FLAC 563kbps 0:42 / 1:51
22:20 NekoGloop    Meow.
22:20 VanessaE     meow.
22:29 OldCoder     Meow too!
22:29 OldCoder     <--- hates to be left out
22:30 Naked        hi kitty cats
22:30 NekoGloop    ^w^
22:31 T_A_N_K      i'm overhauling the technic mining laser and drill
22:36 NekoGloop    Have fun with that.
22:45 Mikeonline   hm
22:51 VanessaE     Yay, another update of Homedecor is up.  Added various fences (unpainted and white picket, chainlink, barbed wire, backyard-style privacy)
23:03 Mikeonline   whats the diff between an admin shop and a normal shop (money)?
23:03 VanessaE     dunno
23:04 Mikeonline   ah
23:04 Mikeonline   admin = account is inf
23:04 Mikeonline   owner = account = ownername
23:05 Mikeonline   you know VanessaE?
23:05 NakedFury    shops in where?
23:06 Mikeonline   money mod
23:06 VanessaE     nope, dunno
23:06 VanessaE     I don't use (or really even like) commerce mods to be honest
23:06 Mikeonline   VanessaE an admin shop has infinite money
23:06 Mikeonline   and usershop is connected to users account
23:06 Mikeonline   VanessaE why :P
23:06 VanessaE     takes away some of the fun of the game IMHO.
23:07 Mikeonline   why? you dont have to use the money
23:08 NakedFury    dont take the fun away, adds more
23:09 Mikeonline   VanessaE why do you think so?
23:10 Mikeonline   ah i have a new mod idea
23:10 Mikeonline   sudo mod :D
23:10 * VanessaE   shrugs
23:10 VanessaE     I just don't like the idea
23:11 Mikeonline   vanessaaaaaaaaa ;)
23:11 VanessaE     money doesn't belong in games.  If I wanted to spend money, I'd go to the store :-)
23:11 Mikeonline   maybe maybe
23:11 Mikeonline   but if some lazy guy wants mese or sth else
23:11 Mikeonline   he could dig much papyrus or sth else
23:11 Mikeonline   and sell very much stuff
23:11 Mikeonline   so he can buy expensive rare goods
23:11 NekoGloop    Sa hanin wa dare?
23:11 Mikeonline   or if he doesnt know how to craft
23:11 NekoGloop    Wrong chat network.
23:11 NekoGloop    Damn.
23:13 Mikeonline   does anyone like the sudo mod idea?
23:13 NekoGloop    Nope.
23:13 Mikeonline   why not?
23:13 NekoGloop    Because i have no idea what it is.
23:13 Mikeonline   sudo means /sudo NekoGloop
23:13 Mikeonline   then i act as NekoGloop
23:13 NekoGloop    Do what?
23:13 NekoGloop    Heh.
23:13 Mikeonline   so i can help you or undo things i deleted from you
23:13 NekoGloop    /sudo <insert server admin here>
23:13 Mikeonline   for example i deleted your sign
23:14 Mikeonline   no
23:14 NekoGloop    :D
23:14 Mikeonline   just for players with sudo priv and or admin set
23:15 Mikeonline   maybe just dig/place and access to chests like a player
23:16 Mikeonline   but not commandline
23:32 toxicsgz     o/
23:33 toxicsgz     CAn someone kindly explain how I register to play?
23:33 OldCoder     toxicsgz, easy
23:33 OldCoder     toxicsgz, I have an open server. No registration.
23:33 OldCoder     Ready?
23:33 OldCoder     toxicsgz, Downloaded the game yet?
23:34 toxicsgz     Yep
23:34 OldCoder     O.K. One moment
23:34 toxicsgz     It asks for a name and password.
23:34 OldCoder     Wait please
23:34 OldCoder     toxicsgz, Did you click on Multiuser mode?
23:35 toxicsgz     I dont see that option
23:35 OldCoder     Restart the program
23:35 OldCoder     What do you see?
23:35 OldCoder     Do you see a set of tabs? Is Multiuser one of the tabs?
23:36 toxicsgz     name password reqest and some game settings
23:36 OldCoder     That is correct
23:36 OldCoder     For future reference:
23:36 OldCoder     Do you see a set of tabs? Is Multiuser one of the tabs?
23:36 OldCoder     Look up slightly
23:37 toxicsgz     no
23:37 toxicsgz     It is out of the ubuntu/mint repo, is it an old v
23:39 OldCoder     Probably
23:39 OldCoder     I see
23:39 OldCoder     Do you know the release number?
23:39 OldCoder     Does it appear in the upper left?
23:39 toxicsgz     0.3.1
23:39 OldCoder     Won't work with most new servers
23:39 OldCoder     Hold on
23:40 OldCoder     Has anybody here built a current Ubuntu client?
23:40 OldCoder     Or should I do so?
23:40 OldCoder     toxicsgz, This might be worthwhile. I may build a new version for you now.
23:40 OldCoder     toxicsgz, What release of Ubuntu are you running?
23:40 toxicsgz     Not actually using ubuntu, using mint 13 native cinnamon if it helps
23:41 toxicsgz     ERm! Will minetest run on and old PPC mac?
23:41 OldCoder     toxicsgz, Mint is good. Do you happen to know if Ubuntu 12.04 executables will generally work with Mint 13?
23:41 OldCoder     Aside from missing libraries?
23:41 toxicsgz     :) My knowledge does not stretch that far
23:42 OldCoder     toxicsgz, I will try building a client. Give me a few minutes if you like.
23:42 toxicsgz     ok
23:43 OldCoder     toxicsgz, Actually I must finish teaching PHP elsewhere. I will attempt this in the next 90 minutes. If you return tonight or tomorrow feel free to inquire. In the meantime here is a page with screenshots of some of my worlds and more notes:
23:43 OldCoder     http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/
23:43 OldCoder     I will return
23:43 toxicsgz     thx
23:50 Mikeonline   ok good night all