Time Nick Message 00:02 RealBadAngel ok, i made tool image for it 00:02 MuadTralk no it doesnt do wood 00:02 MuadTralk or deadbolts 00:03 NekoGloop deadbolts i knew 00:03 NekoGloop oh i know what you mean 00:03 NekoGloop lol 00:06 RealBadAngel ok, got gfx and sfx 00:06 RealBadAngel lets code it now :) 00:06 NekoGloop now to actually make it 00:06 NekoGloop btw: i made a piston drawbridge :D 00:06 NakedFury then make a tardis, bigger in the inside smaller on the outside 00:07 Uberi|AoS NekoGloop: how long? 00:07 NekoGloop 7 00:07 Uberi|AoS whoa neat 00:07 NekoGloop heh 00:07 NekoGloop well its probably not what you're thinking 00:09 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZmdrOQ 00:09 NekoGloop basic lava pool, right? 00:09 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZmdrYg 00:09 NekoGloop BOOM!! :D 00:09 Uberi|AoS haha gotta love vertical pistons 00:09 NekoGloop yup 00:10 KsM free move enabled (note: no 'fly' previlage') 00:10 KsM What happened to fly? 00:10 NekoGloop use /grant singleplayer fly 00:10 Uberi|AoS KsM: /grant singleplayer fly 00:10 Uberi|AoS you don't yet have permission to fly 00:10 Uberi|AoS NekoGloop: jinx :P 00:10 NekoGloop if you are on multiplayer, then sucks to be you 00:10 Uberi|AoS wish there was a new param2type for vertical placement as well 00:11 KsM why isn't that just enabled with only k by default 00:11 NekoGloop uberi: wallmounted 00:11 Uberi|AoS KsM: because flying is not very good for gameplay 00:11 Uberi|AoS NekoGloop: pistons can hardly be wallmounted now, can they :P 00:11 KsM Isn't flying everyone's dream? 00:12 Uberi|AoS KsM: yes, but I might say it would make the game too easy 00:12 NekoGloop wallmounted doesnt require a drawtype 00:12 Uberi|AoS for example, before fly privs I would fly below the ground and immediately see MESE in the cave systems 00:12 Uberi|AoS MESE is supposed to be hard to get, you're supposed to WORK for it 00:12 Uberi|AoS that adds to the gameplay 00:18 NekoGloop screwdriver is really helpful 00:18 NekoGloop i think i've gone through about 5 by now 00:19 RealBadAngel loading screwdriver now :) 00:19 NekoGloop WHAT 00:20 NekoGloop I cant place energy crystals? ;_; 00:20 NekoGloop THIS IS MADNESS!!! 00:22 NekoGloop realbadangel: uploading... when? 00:22 RealBadAngel syncying 00:24 RealBadAngel done, sonic screwdriver ready to use 00:26 RealBadAngel and how? 00:26 NekoGloop ? 00:26 NekoGloop how what? 00:27 RealBadAngel how it works 00:27 NekoGloop havent tested yet, sorry xD 00:28 NekoGloop lol green energy crystal is how you craft it 00:28 KsM What can you do with nyancat blocks? 00:28 RealBadAngel i think this ia a bit too expensive for screwdriver 00:28 RealBadAngel maybe i shall change it 00:28 NekoGloop nah 00:28 NekoGloop after all its rechargable 00:29 RealBadAngel check on page 00:29 NekoGloop ksm: you can make... nothing. 00:29 RealBadAngel recipes are there 00:29 NekoGloop what page? 00:29 RealBadAngel topic in the forums i mean 00:29 KsM Sounds great 00:31 NekoGloop thought of different kinds of doping? 00:31 NekoGloop redpower has red & blue 00:32 RealBadAngel blue is already used 00:32 NekoGloop i know 00:32 NekoGloop photosensitive still ;) 00:33 RealBadAngel for another stuff i can dope it with somethin other 00:33 NekoGloop btw i have an ide for the sonic recipe 00:33 RealBadAngel maybe for machines upgrades i will use them too 00:33 RealBadAngel go on 00:34 M13Coder when will celeron55 be on? 00:35 RealBadAngel ask him 00:35 M13Coder hes not on 00:35 NekoGloop {{"technic:green_energy_crystal"}, {"technic:battery"}, {"technic:stainless_steel_ingot"}} 00:35 M13Coder hes away i mean 00:36 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, but energy crystals are already kinda batteries 00:36 NekoGloop well ok. 00:36 RealBadAngel they will be recharcheable too 00:36 NekoGloop but using a stick in a sonic screwdriver sounds like building a skyscraper out of paper 00:36 RealBadAngel so 2 pieces of s steel 00:36 NekoGloop sure 00:37 NekoGloop how about wire? we need some kind of wire, like redpower's fine copper wire and fine iron wire etc. 00:38 RealBadAngel ok, changed already, i mean recipe 00:38 NekoGloop but first i guess we need to figure out how to lower tool wear in a craft recipe 00:39 RealBadAngel thats i dont know 00:39 NekoGloop i like how it's called "Red"Power but the actual power parts use "Blu"tricity 00:40 RealBadAngel redpower1 was only logic mod before 00:40 RealBadAngel eloraam started adding machinery in redpower 2 00:40 NekoGloop i figured as such 00:41 RealBadAngel in fact mesecons + technic becomes kinda like redpower itself 00:41 NekoGloop well as soon as you get inter-functionality, it will be REALLY like redpower 00:42 * M13 is AFK 00:42 NekoGloop that's lovely 00:43 RealBadAngel so whats next? 00:43 RealBadAngel something fast 00:43 NekoGloop hm... 00:43 NekoGloop i'd say full api before you said fast xD 00:43 RealBadAngel hehehe 00:43 NekoGloop hm... 00:44 NekoGloop auto miner? 00:44 RealBadAngel btw i need a sound for mining drill 00:44 NekoGloop idk 00:44 RealBadAngel got somethin usable? 00:44 NekoGloop nope 00:44 NekoGloop auto miner should use an inventory to allow you to place a certain tool in it as well 00:45 NekoGloop oh wait 00:45 RealBadAngel there are such miners already 00:45 NekoGloop normal alloy furnaces 00:45 RealBadAngel oh, thats not as fast hehehe 00:46 NekoGloop lol 00:46 NekoGloop ok 00:46 NekoGloop so how about... more wires? 00:46 RealBadAngel hmmm, i thinkin on how to get rubber of that bucket 00:47 NekoGloop hm... 00:47 RealBadAngel from pilzadams mod 00:47 NekoGloop i'd say furnace, but then you lose the bucket 00:48 RealBadAngel i dont have a sensible idea for it 00:48 NekoGloop hm... 00:48 NekoGloop it's kinda stupid you have to use a bucket imo 00:48 NekoGloop should just break the tree down and get the rubber 00:48 RealBadAngel it works that way IRL, btw 00:49 NekoGloop so? 00:49 NekoGloop we dont have mese irl ;) 00:49 RealBadAngel or i will make a tool for it 00:50 RealBadAngel like in industrial craft 00:50 NekoGloop well... 00:50 NekoGloop i still like the idea of just mr.lumberjack-ing the rubber outta the tree :3 00:50 RealBadAngel both regular and powered 00:51 Uberi|AoS heh, Mr. Lumberjack-ing 00:51 NekoGloop :D 00:51 RealBadAngel http://wiki.industrial-craft.net/index.php?title=Rubber_Wood 00:52 NekoGloop oh i know 00:52 NekoGloop get the actual rubber tree from as a drop... 00:52 NekoGloop then put it in a furnace... 00:52 NekoGloop or craft it into normal planksa 00:52 NekoGloop planks* 00:52 NekoGloop wood, even lol 00:54 NekoGloop lol that website lists the normal tools as "mundane" 00:54 RealBadAngel hehhe 00:56 NekoGloop mixed metal ingot is a interesting idea 00:56 Uberi mmm, alloys 00:56 NekoGloop technically it's a craft, not an alloy 00:56 NekoGloop it can be made into the "advanced alloy" 00:57 NekoGloop ok, I'm done re-hashing the wiki 00:58 RealBadAngel ok i planted some rubber trees 00:58 RealBadAngel lets see how it works 00:59 NekoGloop it works like derp 00:59 NekoGloop :D 00:59 RealBadAngel i will add tree tap 01:00 RealBadAngel to collect cautchouc 01:00 NekoGloop cool 01:00 NekoGloop and breaking the tree like before still returns a tree node? sounds like something of a plan. 01:01 RealBadAngel well, pilzadam have to change somethin here 01:02 RealBadAngel using screwdriver on the tree trunk effects same as treating it with bucket 01:02 khonkhortisan we have screwdrivers? 01:02 VanessaE ok, I'm back now 01:02 khonkhortisan me too 01:02 RealBadAngel heya 01:03 VanessaE hey all 01:03 RealBadAngel even sonic screwdrivers :) 01:03 M13Coder hey 01:03 VanessaE so I saw :-) 01:04 M13Coder saw what 01:04 VanessaE [09-11 21:03] even sonic screwdrivers :) 01:05 NekoGloop realbadangel: it checks if the item's on_use isnt nil 01:05 NekoGloop oh, rubber comes back into trees. huh. 01:06 NekoGloop and i dont think it's pilz's fault 01:06 M13Coder VanessaE when will celeron55 be back? 01:07 NekoGloop it's due to the functions i used to rotate the node 01:07 VanessaE I don't know 01:07 VanessaE best guess would be 3-4 hours from now 01:07 NekoGloop i think so anyway... 01:07 VanessaE it's 4am his time. 01:07 NekoGloop ok, so its just derping 01:08 VanessaE NekoGloop: when was the last day something didn't get completely, as you say, derpy? :-) 01:08 M13Coder i need to ask him serious quetiobs 01:08 M13Coder questipns 01:08 RealBadAngel lol 01:08 Uberi I got tons of questiobs 01:08 RealBadAngel they dont look serious now 01:08 NekoGloop VanessaE: ERROR: number expected, got nil 01:08 VanessaE lol 01:09 M13Coder ERROR dumb keyboard on ipod 01:09 NekoGloop (a date as far as a computer cares is a number) 01:09 VanessaE M13Coder: PEBKAC error. 01:09 NekoGloop MEOW error. 01:10 M13Coder ERROR none :) 01:10 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, nah, only screwdrivers causing it 01:10 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: sonics? 01:10 RealBadAngel and a bucket of course 01:10 RealBadAngel both of them 01:10 M13Coder beep beep *zoom 01:11 khonkhortisan the bucket concentrates the sonic screwdriver's sonic waves back at the screwdriver 01:11 RealBadAngel cant find the code to fill the bucket btw 01:11 NekoGloop does it replace the screwdriver with a bucket of rubber? 01:11 RealBadAngel lol 01:11 khonkhortisan the bucket doesn't really have filling code 01:11 * M13Coder eats spanich 01:12 M13Coder to grow strong like popeyr 01:12 RealBadAngel bucket.liquids["farming:rubber_tree_full"] = bucket_tmp 01:12 M13Coder popete 01:12 RealBadAngel thats it to fill the bucket? 01:12 M13Coder fucking keyboard 01:12 khonkhortisan p o p e y e 01:12 VanessaE M13Coder: try previewing your text before hitting enter 01:12 Uberi that sounds uncomfortable, M13Coder 01:12 NekoGloop that and the above definition of the bucket_tmp variable 01:12 RealBadAngel hmmm 01:13 M13Coder you guys watch popeye 01:13 M13Coder when you were younger 01:13 NekoGloop i still watch it, have a collector's edition lol 01:14 RealBadAngel but where the tree trunk changes to empty?? 01:14 * M13Coder is blue 01:14 NekoGloop realbadangel: handled in the full tree's code 01:15 NekoGloop when bucket mod tries to replace it with air it sets a empty tree 01:15 NekoGloop so when screwdriver tries to rotate it, the tree is removed but replaced. the nodedef wont let this happen if it has something to say about it. 01:16 NekoGloop the best solution is to somehow check if a node has facedir before rotating it 01:16 khonkhortisan I watched popeye 01:16 M13Coder how bout Tom and Jerry 01:16 khonkhortisan I think I have one on vcr 01:16 RealBadAngel check name when pointing it with tree tap 01:17 khonkhortisan tom and jerry changed, they got voice actors 01:17 M13 RealBadAngel 01:17 RealBadAngel take caotchouc, rotate it 01:17 khonkhortisan spongebob changed too 01:17 Uberi khonkhortisan: I liked it better without the voices, honestly 01:17 M13Coder i dont like the tv show RealBadAngel 01:17 Uberi takes something significant out of it 01:17 M13Coder :) 01:17 VanessaE khonkhortisan: tom has always had a voice, he just rarely used it. 01:17 M13 This Compiling Crap is stupid 01:17 NekoGloop realbadangel: but how to solve the screwdriver problem? 01:18 RealBadAngel M13, have i said somethin bout tv shows? 01:18 M13 no one can Compile 01:18 khonkhortisan there's two m13s? 01:18 M13Coder lol 01:18 M13 (On Windows) 01:18 VanessaE (see, for example, episode "The Zoot Cat") 01:18 VanessaE M13 = UbuntuNerd, M13Coder = Keegan 01:18 M13Coder :) 01:18 M13Coder can you tell? 01:18 khonkhortisan then neither are old/tired/grumpycoder 01:19 M13Coder i ask for his bame 01:19 M13Coder name 01:19 NekoGloop bold* 01:19 M13 Vanessa 01:19 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, not quite sure 01:19 NekoGloop dont forget bold :D 01:19 NekoGloop hm... 01:19 M13Coder youngcoder 01:19 RealBadAngel just skip rotating if its rubber tree? 01:19 NekoGloop i remember some way to check if a node has facedir... 01:19 NekoGloop well that works too xD 01:20 Uberi param2, I believe 01:20 NekoGloop but how to check if a node has it? 01:20 khonkhortisan don't set node.facedir 01:20 RealBadAngel wallmounted also using param2 01:20 Uberi or use the minetest.registered_nodes paramtype 01:20 khonkhortisan facedir is paramtype2 01:20 Uberi ah yes 01:20 RealBadAngel so im able to rotate ladders, door, signs etc 01:20 NekoGloop khonkhortisan: dude, the actual screwdrivers were working a hell of a long time ago 01:21 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, btw roatated mesecons still works? 01:22 NekoGloop they work with the in/output rules the base wire has, that is, the rules dont rotate. 01:22 RealBadAngel tried to rotate gates or controllers? 01:22 NekoGloop also forcing update of node will re-rotate it. 01:22 NekoGloop microcontrollers dont work, gates do 01:23 RealBadAngel would be great if we made it all able to rotate 01:23 NekoGloop it shouldnt be too hard to make a machine that outputs a mesecon signal with low amounts of electricity. 01:23 NekoGloop hm, but microcontrollers i imagine would get glitchy 01:24 RealBadAngel dunno havent played with them 01:24 NekoGloop that's why they dont have facedir in mesecons standard. 01:24 VanessaE call that machine a level shifter :-) 01:24 NekoGloop idk what to call it xD 01:24 VanessaE that's the name given to the electronic component on a PCB that shifts I/O voltages between say 3.3v and 5v/TTL, common when interfacing newer chips to an old computer 01:25 NekoGloop i see 01:26 VanessaE That's the name given to the electronic... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah computer 01:26 VanessaE *whoosh* ;-) 01:26 RealBadAngel make it so, when machine is powered, will send mesecons signal, like a torch 01:26 M13Coder good night 01:26 NekoGloop yes rba 01:27 VanessaE that works 01:27 Uberi hi cornernote 01:27 cornernote hi guys 01:27 RealBadAngel hi 01:27 cornernote i have a problem 01:27 NekoGloop make one that sends a signal just one direction, and one that sends it in all directions. 01:27 M13Coder hi byw 01:27 Uberi I don't believe it is possible to detect that, cornernote 01:28 NekoGloop maybe the upgraded one is made from 4 of the smaller ones? 01:28 cornernote in my Craft Guide mod, someone pointed out to me that items can be dropped straight from the sign to the ground 01:28 cornernote then they can cheat the craft guide 01:28 cornernote lol 01:28 VanessaE Uberi: sure there is, didn't you see the problem detector introduced into Technic just recently? ;) 01:28 khonkhortisan cornernote, cool I should try that 01:28 Uberi yeah I saw the post :) 01:28 cornernote i tested it, cheat works perfect 01:28 cornernote and seems there is no way to detect it 01:28 cornernote nooooo!!!! 01:28 khonkhortisan I didn't think it would work, so I didn't try it 01:28 cornernote anyone know how to detect it ? 01:28 Uberi VanessaE: I've been too busy playing tic-tac-toe :P 01:29 VanessaE haha 01:29 cornernote on_receive_fields() doesnt do it 01:29 RealBadAngel ? what detector? 01:29 VanessaE RealBadAngel: *whoosh* 01:29 khonkhortisan it does work 01:29 NekoGloop realbadangel: cornernote said he had a problem, then uberi said there isnt a way to detect it, then vanessae said a problem detector was in technic 01:30 NekoGloop twas a joke 01:30 RealBadAngel maybe its because 3:30 am i havent got it ;) 01:30 VanessaE haha 01:31 NekoGloop YOU MUST KEEP WORKING ON TECHNIC 01:31 NekoGloop YOU MUST KEEP WORKING ON TECHNIC 01:31 NekoGloop YOU MUST KEEP WORKING ON TECHNIC 01:31 NekoGloop :D 01:31 Uberi cornernote: maybe there's some sort of per-player on_drop callback? 01:31 khonkhortisan group chant 01:31 RealBadAngel now i need some sleep:P 01:31 NekoGloop NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 01:31 NekoGloop YOU MUST KEEP WORKING ON TECHNIC 01:31 NekoGloop YOU MUST KEEP WORKING ON TECHNIC 01:31 Uberi cornernote: override minetest.handle_node_drops(pos, drops, digger)? 01:32 Uberi (only when the inventory is being shown though) 01:32 NekoGloop no 01:32 RealBadAngel 19 pushes to technic, not bat at all 01:32 Uberi really hacky, but I bet it would work 01:32 NekoGloop node drops is for a dug node 01:32 khonkhortisan if only it took just one click on the item to show the recipe 01:32 RealBadAngel that was a loooong day 01:32 Uberi maybe minetest.item_drop(itemstack, dropper, pos) I suppose 01:33 NekoGloop realbadangel: but you havent made a full api yet. 01:33 NekoGloop you must keep pushing on! 01:33 Uberi there SHOULD be an allow_metadata_inventory_drop callback though 01:33 khonkhortisan I need a microcontroller that when it receives a signal, sends a very short (as short as possible) signal, less than 0.1 in length. 01:33 Uberi make a feature request, cornernote 01:33 RealBadAngel yeah sure, while sleeping 01:33 NekoGloop xD 01:34 RealBadAngel i could propably done api for machines too, but you popped up with screwdrivers ;) 01:34 RealBadAngel but theyre cool 01:35 NekoGloop heh 01:35 Uberi khonkhortisan: if(A)on(B)after(0.1,"off(B)"); 01:35 Uberi depends on server speed though 01:35 Uberi if it runs at less than 10 fps, then it won't be exactly 0.1 secons 01:36 NekoGloop who needs normal screwdrivers? 01:36 NekoGloop We have sonics! WHO knew? 01:36 khonkhortisan I'm making a music player, and I need to stop the first row of notes before starting the second row. 01:36 NekoGloop (horrible pun is horrible) 01:36 RealBadAngel i like the sound of it, its fun 01:37 NekoGloop heh 01:37 RealBadAngel wonder if its possible to rotate node upside down 01:37 NekoGloop No 01:37 NekoGloop unless it's wall mounted 01:38 NekoGloop speaking of that, wallmounted is limited to 4 orientations 01:38 NekoGloop (due to screwdriver cycling through 4 stages instead of 6) 01:39 RealBadAngel we shall check then the drawtype 01:39 RealBadAngel and allow all 6 in this case 01:39 NekoGloop no 01:39 NekoGloop drawtype isnt wallmounted 01:39 NekoGloop check paramtype2 01:40 RealBadAngel yeah, thats what i meant 01:40 NekoGloop as for how, dont ask me 01:40 RealBadAngel its in the api 01:40 NekoGloop also this will stop glitches with e.g. rubber tree because then we can skip the rotating of non-facedir/wallmounted nodes 01:41 RealBadAngel but actually rotatin laders and signs is cool 01:41 NekoGloop yes, i know ;) 01:41 RealBadAngel doors get fucked up 01:41 RealBadAngel so could be skipped 01:41 NekoGloop ofc they do 01:41 NekoGloop tried xdoors? 01:41 Uberi or check for doors specifically 01:42 RealBadAngel no, just the built in ones 01:42 NekoGloop ok 01:43 NekoGloop the problem is the second node 01:43 NekoGloop it doesnt switch with the one you hit 01:44 RealBadAngel hey, its cool 01:45 RealBadAngel with screwdriver ive made bridge out of ladders 01:45 NekoGloop what is? 01:45 NekoGloop lol 01:45 NekoGloop really? 01:45 RealBadAngel try it 01:45 NekoGloop do they actually work as well? 01:45 NekoGloop (i.e. you can walk on them) 01:45 RealBadAngel yeah, can walk on them 01:45 NekoGloop oh right, because of how climbable works 01:46 RealBadAngel coool 01:46 NekoGloop so if you press E/Shift you'll fall through 01:46 RealBadAngel yeah 01:47 NekoGloop i wonder what would happen if we had a screwdriver that was pointable at liquids? 01:48 NekoGloop derp? sonic screwdriver image was not found 01:48 NekoGloop (just testing it out now xD) 01:48 NekoGloop sweet, i just made wallmounted be supported 01:49 NekoGloop probably the most roundabout way, but it works 01:50 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: the icon for the sonic isnt in my textures? 01:50 RealBadAngel forgot, adding it now 01:50 NekoGloop lol 01:50 RealBadAngel you can download 01:50 NekoGloop heh, I'm just taking the image directly 01:50 NekoGloop like a baws 01:52 NekoGloop btw: wallmounted works perfectly for normal nodes of all things BUT graphics 01:54 khonkhortisan I can build my house out of pistons so no one can get in 01:54 NekoGloop note to self... charge screwdriver before use... 01:54 RealBadAngel hehehe 01:55 * NekoGloop facepalm 01:55 NekoGloop oh god... 01:55 NekoGloop that sound effect... 01:55 NekoGloop YOU ARE AWESOME 01:56 NekoGloop except could it play for a bit shorter time? 01:56 RealBadAngel that wasnt me, some1 else found it 01:56 NekoGloop actually... 01:56 NekoGloop let me retest wallmounted normal nodes, because i derped and forgot to charge the damn screw driver 01:57 RealBadAngel it was NakedFury who found it 01:57 NekoGloop i wonder if torches rotate properly... 01:57 RealBadAngel oh, that i havent tried 01:57 NekoGloop will release my wallmounted rotation code in a minute 01:57 NakedFury I love doctor who so when you said sonic screwdriver IT HAD to have the proper sound 01:58 RealBadAngel NakedFury, it works perfect 01:58 NekoGloop well it hurts my ears when turning a lot of nodes in a short amount of time 01:59 NekoGloop it's a tad too long 01:59 RealBadAngel i like it :) 02:00 NekoGloop rapid click a node 02:00 NekoGloop it hurts my ears 02:00 NekoGloop just shorten it a bit 02:00 RealBadAngel or maybe turn volume down a bit 02:02 NekoGloop now to try a test wallmounted normal node 02:03 NekoGloop if this works, i will revolutionize the piston 02:04 NekoGloop oh, i think i broke it 02:04 RealBadAngel what? 02:04 NekoGloop froze at texture rendering of the block 02:04 NekoGloop oh nvm 02:04 NekoGloop just lag 02:05 NekoGloop yeah wallmounted normal nodes dont work 02:06 khonkhortisan hahaha! I figured out how to make a delayer clock where only one section is on at a time! 02:06 NekoGloop khonkhortisan: good for you 02:07 khonkhortisan So the wire splits. One wire goes to a delayer, the other wire to a not. Then they join to an and. Repeat. 02:07 NekoGloop cool 02:07 khonkhortisan You start the clock by turning a switch on, then off. 02:07 NekoGloop or button 02:07 cornernote ok, fixed the exploit in craft guide 02:07 NekoGloop that works too 02:07 cornernote i just looked how locked chest worked, and tweaked craft_guide until it worked the same 02:08 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: use overlays in your colored gold chests 02:08 cornernote i wondered if locked chests had the same exploit, i thought they couldn't have, and was right =) 02:08 RealBadAngel maybe later 02:08 NekoGloop that will cut down on the amount of images are needed in the folder later 02:11 khonkhortisan good. A noteblock will still play even if I don't see the power going to it. 02:12 RealBadAngel ok, im going to sleep now 02:12 RealBadAngel c ya around 02:12 NekoGloop wait! 02:12 NekoGloop aaah, I'm too late. 02:12 NekoGloop dammit. 02:14 khonkhortisan after further investigation, my curcuit modifies the delayer to only send the signal after it has stopped. 02:15 khonkhortisan Now to make it vertically. 02:18 NekoGloop two mods depend on each other. what happens? 02:18 khonkhortisan Depends on what they do. 02:18 khonkhortisan Or how minetest handles it. 02:19 NekoGloop lol 02:19 khonkhortisan if one only depends on recipes, you can just make sure the other one is installed, the loading order doesn't matter. 02:19 NekoGloop no i mean in depends.txt 02:19 NekoGloop this is all hypothetical 02:20 khonkhortisan it probably wouldn't work if you told minetest they both depended on each other. 02:25 NekoGloop well I'm making a technicplus. who else is going to make a extension? 02:26 cy1 NekoGloop: ever figure out why technic and mesecons are separate? 02:26 NekoGloop because power and logic 02:26 cy1 there's a difference? :p 02:26 NekoGloop yes 02:27 NekoGloop and I'm too lazy to describe it here 02:27 cy1 It's all Information to me. 02:27 NekoGloop well basically power is much more variable than logic 02:27 khonkhortisan mesecons is magic and only has high and low, and y-intersections are simple. technic uses electricity and y-intersections are complicated. 02:28 NekoGloop logic is 0/1, power is EU 02:28 cy1 khonkhortisan: clarify the 'magic' part? 02:28 cy1 NekoGloop: so, power as you say it, is less precise than logic? 02:28 NekoGloop power is more variable 02:29 khonkhortisan magic is where you don't lose power when splitting wires, and you can get power out of nowhere 02:29 NekoGloop besides, comparing power and logic is an invalid statement 02:29 cy1 not really 02:29 NekoGloop yeah, it is. 02:29 cy1 khonkhortisan: ah, gotcha 02:29 NekoGloop power ~= logic AND power == logic are both invalid 02:29 NekoGloop ;) 02:30 NekoGloop (see what i did there moment) 02:30 khonkhortisan power = power - logic? 02:30 khonkhortisan error: comparing incompatible types 02:30 NekoGloop ? 02:30 NekoGloop yeah, that's what i mean 02:30 NekoGloop they're invalid statements 02:30 NekoGloop attempt to compare number with boolean 02:31 cy1 but any number can be boolean... 02:31 NekoGloop troll detected 02:32 khonkhortisan is 1 true or is zero true? 02:32 khonkhortisan it depends on the language 02:32 cy1 you can't have logic without information, and if you look into what power is you can't have power without information either. They're both information. 02:32 NekoGloop grab your lasers and large mithril swords 02:32 NekoGloop let's hunt a troll 02:32 khonkhortisan you can have power without storing information about it. Matter can exist on its own engine. 02:32 cy1 this is basic Information Theory NekoGloop. The only troll here is u 02:33 NekoGloop power is what makes our brains work 02:33 NekoGloop power is what makes the world go round 02:33 cy1 khonkhortisan: Pretty sure you can't. 02:33 NekoGloop (quite literally) 02:33 khonkhortisan and chemical reactions are what make our brains work slowly. 02:33 NekoGloop khon: eletric synapse is what I'm getting at 02:33 cy1 Take away all the information, and all you have is a bunch of stuff all at the same temperature doing nothing. 02:33 khonkhortisan we would think faster without chemicals 02:34 khonkhortisan that's entropy I think 02:34 cy1 entropy is a measure of information loss, yes. 02:34 khonkhortisan but zero information would be zero matter and zero (or infinite?) space 02:35 NekoGloop lets assume the world is a giant computer 02:35 cy1 yeah... 02:35 NekoGloop if it has zero information, there is no program to run 02:35 NekoGloop thus all of everything jsut ceases to be 02:35 NekoGloop world goes poof 02:36 khonkhortisan As far as I can tell (which isn't a valid observation, as I'm part of the calculation, ) movement is not done in steps. 02:36 cy1 Everything just ceasing to be would result in 0 information, yes. 02:36 NekoGloop then how long do we have until the computer overheats? 02:37 khonkhortisan the computer exists outside of our universe, capable of having very different physical laws than our own. We can't know that. 02:37 NekoGloop something to think about. 02:37 NekoGloop it may even be possible that we are segmented data, floating through cyberspace 02:38 khonkhortisan reminds me of I, robot 02:39 NekoGloop as a unfinished project of a strange people on a strange planet in an even stranger universse 02:39 NekoGloop funny how this comes up the day sonic screwdrivers are added ;) 02:39 khonkhortisan why do you say unfinished? 02:39 NekoGloop the world glitches more than you thing 02:39 NekoGloop think* 02:40 NekoGloop how, tell me, does one get a picture of slenderman, if he doesnt exist? 02:40 NekoGloop or people who supposedly hallucinate. 02:41 NekoGloop maybe they're just more open to what's actually happening 02:41 cy1 how does one get a picture of a unicorn? 02:41 cy1 there's your answer 02:41 NekoGloop heh 02:41 NekoGloop where did the idea of the unicorn come from? 02:42 cy1 drugs 02:42 cy1 lots of drugs 02:42 NekoGloop and tell me, how do drugs work? 02:42 khonkhortisan your brain works of electricity and chemicals, and drugs cause different chemical reactions. 02:43 khonkhortisan I like proteins, they can be in different shapes and do different things 02:43 NekoGloop how do chemicals react? 02:44 NekoGloop oh and "god": maybe "god" implanted images of him into our world when coding it. after all, if "god" made the world, then in this hypothetical scenario he coded it. 02:44 khonkhortisan with the force of electric polarization 02:45 khonkhortisan god already implanted the image of himself in people 02:45 NekoGloop electric. 02:45 NekoGloop back to electricity 02:45 NekoGloop this is my point 02:45 khonkhortisan I was about to say magnetic, but that would be wrong 02:45 NekoGloop electricity created everything 02:45 cy1 electricity didn't create nuclear fusion! 02:45 NekoGloop and electricity cant just move on its own, now can it? 02:46 khonkhortisan gravity and matter coexist. Without the one, the other is not. 02:46 NekoGloop cy1: technically, it did; the chemicals' innate electric charge interacts with others' to cause fusion with eachother. 02:47 cy1 NekoGloop: I think... you should read up on fundamental energy fields in physics... 02:47 khonkhortisan but that's at the atomic level. When you pull apart atoms, it's no longer electricity, is it? 02:47 Bad_Command Brain cells called neurons use chemicals called neurotransmitters to signal each other 02:47 Bad_Command Drugs interfere with the neurotransmitters in various ways 02:47 khonkhortisan electrons and protons create electricity. Below the neutron level, I don't know which things carry charge. 02:47 NekoGloop when you pull apart atoms, dont they seek out other electrical items? 02:48 khonkhortisan electrons are made from something. 02:48 NekoGloop imagine if an atom -couldnt- find an electrical item 02:48 NekoGloop would it just cease to be? 02:48 Bad_Command What do you mean by couldn't? 02:48 khonkhortisan there's still gravity. 02:48 NekoGloop (just to clarify something: i have no idea what point I'm arguing any more) 02:48 Bad_Command There are neutrons and neutrinos. They have no charge 02:49 NekoGloop neutrons have no charge on their own 02:49 khonkhortisan quarks! even more electrically fundamental than electrons 02:49 NekoGloop but do neutrons exist on their ow? 02:49 NekoGloop own* 02:49 khonkhortisan Are you asking if neutrons are made of charged quarks? 02:49 Bad_Command Yes, commonly in things like nuclear reactors 02:50 NekoGloop nuclear 02:50 Bad_Command They have a short half life. something on the order of 20 minutes. After which they decay by beta emission (turn in to hydrogen) 02:50 NekoGloop atoms without electric charge cease to be via exploding 02:50 khonkhortisan 1 up quark + 2 down quarks = 1 neutron 02:51 khonkhortisan So there's three quarks stuck together. What are the forces involved? 02:51 NekoGloop if we're going to bring this down to the bare bones... 02:51 NekoGloop what started it all? 02:52 NekoGloop and dont say the big bang 02:52 NekoGloop something caused the big bang 02:52 Bad_Command Hard to say; I rather like the nested black hole interpretations of reality 02:52 Bad_Command A black hole in another universe imploded this one in to existence 02:52 khonkhortisan the power in the word of god turned into the matter of the big bang 02:53 NekoGloop you see, a program cannot comprehend the code that made it. 02:53 NekoGloop my theory that we are a program may not be that far off 02:53 khonkhortisan I don't like nested black holes. If it were true, then you could somehow go into a black hole without dying and be in another universe. 02:53 Bad_Command They often can. Read up about bootstrapping compilers 02:53 NekoGloop whatever 02:53 khonkhortisan we are intelligence. We can understand code. 02:53 NekoGloop I probably could have used better words 02:54 NekoGloop khon: but can you code in the language of the universe? 02:54 Bad_Command Well, I think the consensus is that black holes will spaghettify anything that falls in 02:54 khonkhortisan The language of the universe is made from code blocks so tiny I can't interact with them 02:54 khonkhortisan like tiny mesecons 02:54 NekoGloop but imagining that you could 02:54 Bad_Command Why should you even think that the universe has a code? 02:54 NekoGloop would you have any idea what to do with it? 02:55 khonkhortisan If you would survive a black hole, you would be really compressed and standing on a planet light can't leave 02:55 NekoGloop bad_command: what keeps electricity flowing? 02:55 NekoGloop SOMEthing must be pulling strings 02:55 Bad_Command Certainly not little elves writing code inside of all the little atoms 02:55 NekoGloop who said it was something alive? 02:55 Bad_Command I did 02:56 NekoGloop or even something sentient (as we would understand) 02:56 khonkhortisan when you connect a battery, it's not an electron that flows through, but the absense of electrons that moves one electron at a time. 02:56 NekoGloop yes khon 02:56 NekoGloop i know that 02:56 Bad_Command Well, it is kinda like pushing beads around on a string or something 02:56 NekoGloop yes 02:56 khonkhortisan it's the force of electrons moving away from each other 02:57 NekoGloop yup 02:57 khonkhortisan And there's some other force that keeps them from evenly distributing 02:57 khonkhortisan like rubbing baloons together 02:57 NekoGloop yes. 02:57 Bad_Command A potential well 02:57 NekoGloop something is making the electricity not fill up the wire 02:58 Bad_Command Yes, a chemical reaction inside the battery 02:58 Bad_Command Positive ions move around in solution inside the battery 02:58 Bad_Command Negative electrons flow around the wires to balance out the charges 02:58 NekoGloop but how does this work in, say, our brains? 02:58 khonkhortisan think of it like a battery is two gallons of water, only one full. 02:58 khonkhortisan it will only flow until the water is even 02:58 Bad_Command Our brains mostly transmit signals via ions, much like a battery 02:59 NekoGloop electricity flows in our brains and certainly doesnt follow bad_command's principles 02:59 khonkhortisan don't forget the chemicals 02:59 Bad_Command Read up on it Neko 02:59 Bad_Command Axons are like wires. They are insulated by special cells (myelin) 03:00 Bad_Command They run between neurons, and can be long, very very long 03:00 Bad_Command Charges are transmitted mostly by potassium ions 03:00 Bad_Command There is no real electrical connection between neurons; instead neurotransmitters are dumped in to gaps between axons and connecting neurons 03:00 NekoGloop i, for one, refuse to believe that an element of chance is making sure that we were givin this ability 03:01 Bad_Command The neurotransmitters fit in to sockets on the neurons, and trigger a charge buildup inside the neuron 03:01 khonkhortisan just a single cell is above the chance ratio 03:01 Bad_Command Once the charge build up is high enough, the electron fires a burst down its axon to stimulate other neurons 03:01 NekoGloop but how did we obtain the ability to think, as it were? 03:01 Bad_Command Read up on it neko 03:02 Bad_Command It is too much to type in to an off-topic IRC rant 03:02 NekoGloop heh 03:02 khonkhortisan self-awareness 03:02 khonkhortisan every animal thinks, every plant does not (except maybe venus flytraps) 03:02 khonkhortisan you need to think to eat and avoid being eaten 03:03 NekoGloop but if plants cant think, how do the nutrients get passed through their systems? 03:04 khonkhortisan by forces, you don't need to think to digest your food do you? 03:04 NekoGloop believe it or not, our brains read our dna and direct the nutrients. 03:04 NekoGloop you dont have to think to breath but the brain does it anyway. 03:04 khonkhortisan but dna is just a set of rules and instructions, not true thinking 03:04 NekoGloop dna is just instuctions 03:04 NekoGloop brain reads dna, tells nutrients where to go by following the instuctions 03:05 khonkhortisan well the cells read dna 03:05 NekoGloop cells read dna to send to brain 03:05 khonkhortisan all your cells read dna 03:05 khonkhortisan ? 03:05 khonkhortisan no. 03:05 NekoGloop yeah, i forgot the middleman 03:05 khonkhortisan cells process dna on their own, without the help of a brain 03:05 NekoGloop heh 03:06 NekoGloop what tells the cells to process? 03:07 Bad_Command http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_metabolism 03:07 khonkhortisan when the dna splitter lump hits dna it splits it, when the rna hits the protein synthesizer, it gets stuck in an assembly line, when protein parts hit the assembly line, a protein is formed. 03:07 NekoGloop well just think about the possibility that we are living in a computer 03:08 khonkhortisan the computer would only be running a simulation, with the particles moving around with their own rules 03:09 NekoGloop and what happens when someone shuts off the computer? 03:09 khonkhortisan then time stops for you, you no longer think, and your existence is frozen in time. When it's turned on again, you start thinking again, and don't know the difference because it was the simulation that was stopped. 03:10 khonkhortisan If you had no soul, then multiple simulations could be going on at the same time. 03:10 NekoGloop exactly 03:10 NekoGloop and what was the max fps the eye could see...? 03:10 khonkhortisan the computer could crash, the simulation could be brought back from backup, and your free will would cause the simulation to be run differently. 03:11 khonkhortisan There's no such thing as fps. It's a simulation done in steps. Every time step is the same everywhere. The only thing that affects your eye fps is how fast your brain processes it. 03:11 khonkhortisan To an outside observer, the computer would be like blender rendering a huge scene, too slow for an fps. 03:11 NekoGloop yes, and this would be easily set in a file for each person 03:12 NekoGloop similar to how minetest catalogs players' stuff, except MUCH more complicated 03:12 khonkhortisan how? that would destroy the rules set for the particles in your brain, and the chemical reactions and everything. If that was independendly set, it would appear as a miracle because it didn't follow the rules. 03:13 khonkhortisan it's like setting how fast a planet spins, it messes with the physics simulation. 03:13 NekoGloop what rules? the only rules are the ones set by the simulation. 03:13 NekoGloop planets can spin faster 03:13 khonkhortisan and those rules would be broken if you could set the fps of each person's eyes 03:13 NekoGloop I'm not saying this file is being edited 03:13 NekoGloop I'm saying it's a dumping ground of a helluva lot of data 03:14 khonkhortisan So each person has a preset fps. That means there's a zone in their head that makes the simulation go at a different speed. 03:14 NekoGloop kind of 03:14 khonkhortisan the relativity theory 03:14 khonkhortisan only not based on speed 03:14 NekoGloop a better way of saying it is that each "client" (person) has a set fps 03:15 NekoGloop that person gets just that much attention by the prgram 03:15 NekoGloop excuse my O key, it's been derping lately 03:15 khonkhortisan but the client program is run inside the server 03:15 NekoGloop exactly. 03:15 NekoGloop that's why the overall fps of the server doesnt matter; the client only gets as much info as its expecting 03:16 khonkhortisan the server could be running at 1fps but the client sees 60fps because its time is offset by the server's 03:16 NekoGloop essentially lag is removed by having the client be as laggy 03:17 NekoGloop ever seen an illusionist? 03:17 khonkhortisan client frames per server frames per second 03:17 khonkhortisan yeah 03:17 NekoGloop if this were reality, how could the laws of the universe be bent? 03:18 NekoGloop criss angel is a good example 03:18 NekoGloop gravity is one he loves to play with 03:18 NekoGloop also an example of editing a person's file; his relative gravity is being changed 03:19 NekoGloop I'd say the best way of saying this is every illusionist is a server admin 03:19 khonkhortisan so you learn magic tricks and are given the server password? 03:19 khonkhortisan they use the same rules you do, just find loopholes 03:19 NekoGloop no, you get the server password then can do magic tricks 03:20 khonkhortisan so you can't become a magician just by wanting to 03:20 NekoGloop no 03:20 NekoGloop no you cannot 03:20 khonkhortisan I don't like your reality 03:21 NekoGloop life sucks 03:21 NekoGloop so therefore my reality is probably the closest to the actual one 03:21 NekoGloop (and the logic there is about nil) 03:21 khonkhortisan so the magician becomes a programmer, reads the server code, and tells the particle physicist how the world works 03:22 NekoGloop ever wonder why criss angel asks the name of people he does tricks on? It's so he can find the file. 03:22 NekoGloop actually there's two possible theories that branch from mine 03:22 NekoGloop the one i explained above is one 03:23 khonkhortisan then what is a magic kit? 03:23 NekoGloop the other is that illusionists are the people from the world in which the computer resides 03:23 NekoGloop a magic kit is a worthless little pile of junk, all the same. 03:26 NekoGloop the more you listen to me, the more you know I'm right. 03:26 khonkhortisan How do you explain ghosts? 03:27 NekoGloop merely the server calling the wrong person; someone already dead. 03:27 khonkhortisan what about morality? If we're just a simulation, what does it matter? 03:27 khonkhortisan pain is virtual. 03:27 NekoGloop pain is virtual, yet a program never wants to end 03:28 NekoGloop when you delete a program, is it not dying? 03:28 khonkhortisan What about pain that doesn't include death? the program is still alive. 03:28 NekoGloop yet damaged. 03:29 khonkhortisan Then emotional? There is no damage that could cause the program to believe it is closer to death. 03:29 NekoGloop some part of its code is missing, and will not function properly again. 03:29 NekoGloop emotions are a lie woven into existance. 03:29 khonkhortisan you lost me 03:30 NekoGloop emotions do not exist; to put it how you would understand it, "ghosts in the machine" 03:30 khonkhortisan emotions overpower rational thought 03:30 NekoGloop emotions are a virus 03:30 NekoGloop overriding other code 03:31 khonkhortisan is it the ability to have emotions that spreads or each emotion that spreads? 03:31 NekoGloop people who are emotionless are actually uninfected 03:31 khonkhortisan people are born with emotions 03:31 NekoGloop people are born with no emotions; only a bare grasping of their surroundings 03:31 khonkhortisan crying is the sad emotion 03:32 NekoGloop as the server writes the file for the person, emotions come flooding in 03:32 khonkhortisan so how is a virus also a lie? 03:32 NekoGloop a virus is a lie being told to a program, in this instance, the server. 03:33 NekoGloop viruses often lie to the OS by acting as system software 03:33 khonkhortisan if the universe is a simulation of electrons, chemicals, and reactions, each person is not a separate program but a collection of matter and motion. 03:34 NekoGloop each person is a separete data file 03:34 NekoGloop like worlds in minetest 03:34 khonkhortisan worlds don't interact 03:34 NekoGloop but that's due to minetest's interpretation 03:35 khonkhortisan it would be much simpler to have mesecon-filled people in a single world than it would be to have them separate 03:35 NekoGloop the player files inside the worlds would probably be a better comparison 03:35 NekoGloop but do keep in mind someone had to bugtest. 03:35 NekoGloop they may even be doing it as we speak 03:36 khonkhortisan So who's the bugtester? You or me? 03:36 khonkhortisan it's the magician! 03:36 NekoGloop this may even be a sick warped video game in which we are implanted directly into a world without any memory of the world before. 03:36 NekoGloop khonkhortisan: It's "god", who coded it. 03:37 khonkhortisan then it is not really you, but a new baby. You have no connection to the past "you". 03:37 NekoGloop but the body in the past world still is there 03:37 khonkhortisan people aren't born amputated 03:37 NekoGloop remember that 700tb can be stored in 1lb of human flesh. 03:37 khonkhortisan with dna, right? 03:37 NekoGloop genomes, yes. 03:38 NekoGloop they may have overwritten the very things that make us human 03:38 khonkhortisan 700tb/gm 03:38 NekoGloop we may be twisted giant beasts in the other world. 03:39 khonkhortisan that statement cannot be true, because storing the data there causes it to no longer be human flesh 03:39 NekoGloop why can it not be true? 03:39 NekoGloop you just contradicted yourself 03:39 NekoGloop i'm proposing we arent human anymore 03:40 khonkhortisan humans naturally store the same amount of data in a single cell as in the whole person 03:40 khonkhortisan that 700tb/g ratio is if every cell had different data 03:40 NekoGloop exactly 03:40 NekoGloop we are no longer human 03:41 khonkhortisan hello 03:41 NekoGloop we may not even have a single stable form 03:41 wowiamdiamonds :D 03:41 khonkhortisan no longer human when? with evolution caused by radiation hitting the reproducable dna? 03:41 NekoGloop something along those lines 03:42 khonkhortisan now, which "other world" are you speaking of? 03:42 khonkhortisan outside the computer? 03:42 NekoGloop yes 03:43 NekoGloop inside the computer we still look human because our data was saved as that. 03:43 khonkhortisan so then it's just the matrix and we aren't just simulations 03:44 khonkhortisan and stopping the program would either kill everyone or release them 03:44 NekoGloop we may be simulations, because we may simply be children OF the people on the other side. 03:44 NekoGloop or children of the children of the people on the other side, and so on and so forth 03:44 NekoGloop anyway, this is all theoretical. 03:45 khonkhortisan but how could a computer copy a simulated person if the real person thought outside of the computer? It couldn't get the data for thinking 03:45 NekoGloop by calculating an appropriate state of mind for the person 03:46 NekoGloop via the parents and a sprinkle of randomness 03:47 khonkhortisan the real matrix-connected people and simulated people would act differently enough that one would be aware of the other, like clients and mobs 03:48 NekoGloop yes. mobs are the product of code server-side, and clients are the clients. 03:49 khonkhortisan it would take years of server ai studying clients to produce a correct mob 03:51 NekoGloop doesnt it take years for a new person to exist? 03:51 khonkhortisan um... from when to when? 03:52 NekoGloop the point the child starts developing in the mother's womb to the time of birth 03:52 khonkhortisan the start of a new person can be made in one day, a fully functioning person can be made in nine months, an adult person more than ten years 03:52 khonkhortisan that's nine months 03:53 NekoGloop well it takes years for an intelligence to be assigned to a person, doesnt it? 03:53 NekoGloop a bare-bones intelligence is a filler. 03:54 khonkhortisan that would be the person having artificial intelligence and learning on its own. I'm talking about the server learning how a person works and copying it. 03:54 NekoGloop simple 03:55 NekoGloop the data in the brain need only be deciphered 03:55 NekoGloop then it can be spread out in any type of code 03:56 khonkhortisan without a brain scanner, the brain itself is capable of running its own program 03:57 NekoGloop the brain just needs to be wired 03:57 NekoGloop and i gtg now 03:57 khonkhortisan it doesn't need any wires to operate 03:57 khonkhortisan bye 04:02 khonkhortisan back to topic 04:06 VanessaE just stopping back in for a few 04:07 VanessaE I see I missed out on #minetest-philosophy 04:07 khonkhortisan yep a lot of it 04:12 khonkhortisan my piano clock has a killswitch and a start button 04:12 VanessaE nice 04:13 VanessaE morning Calinou 04:14 Calinou hi 04:16 khonkhortisan yuck. Good I didn't trust //rotate, it destroyed my clock. Now I can restore from my backup. 04:17 Calinou computer security chapter 1: NEVER TRUST //rotate 04:18 khonkhortisan thing is, I might've been the one to break it 04:18 khonkhortisan adding in an axis 04:18 khonkhortisan /rotate x 90 instead of plain //rotate 90 04:22 Calinou minetest.exe --logfile '' < still creates a log named '' :( 04:22 Calinou thus, can't disable logging 04:22 Calinou since you need a value 04:22 khonkhortisan minetest.exe --logfile /dev/null 04:22 VanessaE does windows have a /dev/null equicalent? 04:23 VanessaE hah! ninja'd 04:23 Calinou dunno, probably not 04:23 VanessaE isn't is %%NUL%% or some such? 04:23 VanessaE type c:\autoexec.bat > NUL 04:23 VanessaE close. 04:23 khonkhortisan I'm on the same page! 04:23 Calinou lol 04:23 khonkhortisan http://stackoverflow.com/questions/313111/dev-null-in-windows 04:23 VanessaE so minetest.exe --logfile NUL 04:24 VanessaE khonkhortisan: stack overflow ftw :) 04:24 khonkhortisan googled windows /dev/null 04:24 VanessaE same here 04:24 VanessaE first hit 04:25 Calinou notepad++ puts NUL in blue when I write it with batch coloration, so it's probably correct 04:25 Calinou it works! 04:25 Calinou thanks 04:25 VanessaE yw 04:31 VanessaE morning neko 04:33 neko259 VanessaE: Hi. 04:48 khonkhortisan haha connect the xor to itself and it overheats- 04:48 VanessaE haha 04:53 VanessaE I wonder if 60Hz is really too low of a limit for gates? 04:54 khonkhortisan what if gates had a limit, but only stayed there instead of overheating? 04:54 VanessaE hmmm. 04:54 khonkhortisan you wouldn't be able to connect it to a series of t-flops 04:55 VanessaE well if by that you mean it would start ignoring incoming signals if they come in faster than 60 Hz, then sure 04:55 VanessaE in practice, a real gate will do something like that - return invalid results because it can't react fast enough 04:56 VanessaE whereas a µC really would overheat if driven too fast 04:56 khonkhortisan uh-oh two websites have the same page for buying in 04:56 khonkhortisan *ink 04:56 VanessaE ink? who buys ink anymore? get a color laser :-) 04:57 khonkhortisan there are color laser printers in real life? 04:57 VanessaE sure, I have one. 04:57 VanessaE Samsung CLX-3175 04:57 VanessaE works great in linux with their proprietary driver. also works with open source drives, but not as good 05:00 khonkhortisan I don't want yellow dots on my paper 05:00 VanessaE meh 05:00 VanessaE doesn't bother me, besides all printers do something similar 05:00 VanessaE even inkjets 05:02 khonkhortisan don't vaccum your toner < what? 05:02 VanessaE the particles are small enough to get past many types of filters 05:03 VanessaE (though a modern HEPA vacuum probably will catch them) 05:03 khonkhortisan these printers sound dangerous 05:03 VanessaE haha 05:03 VanessaE I'm happy with mine 05:03 khonkhortisan ozone, explosions 05:04 VanessaE I can leave it sitting for months at a time and it doesn't suddenly quit working because of dried-up heads etc 05:06 VanessaE plus it'll keep printing even when it thinks it's out of toner 05:06 khonkhortisan mine won't 05:19 khonkhortisan it works! 05:19 khonkhortisan but if you press the song button too many times the song will play double 05:20 VanessaE how is the music stored? 05:20 khonkhortisan switch array 05:20 VanessaE nice 05:20 khonkhortisan horizontal is notes, vertical I have a clock 05:21 khonkhortisan only one set of notes 05:23 VanessaE cool 05:24 khonkhortisan A little more circuitry, and the double playing is removed. 05:25 khonkhortisan or not. 05:25 VanessaE ok, time to hit the sheets 05:25 VanessaE good night all 05:52 Calinou thexyz, about xfences: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2127 05:52 Calinou can you redefine standard fences so that they drop xfences? 05:59 khonkhortisan I had to disable hardware acceleration on youtube again to make the colors not inverted 06:01 Calinou youtube smurf mode 06:01 khonkhortisan yeah, blue lava 06:02 khonkhortisan they should add a button for the people whose hardware doesn't do that 06:12 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=42244#p42244 poor idea guy wants physics 06:13 khonkhortisan I've thought about that, it would limit creativity 06:15 khonkhortisan Just trying to process on_generated to add in two-block transitions between sand and desert sand lagged the server 06:15 khonkhortisan I don't think physics would be fast enough 06:20 khonkhortisan well, it could be done with abms 06:22 khonkhortisan I must be thinking about it too much I can almost see how it would be done 06:27 khonkhortisan huh, I'm getting content_ignore with mesecons 07:15 RealBadAngel hi 07:16 RealBadAngel good mornin 07:17 khonkhortisan morning by 18...19 minutes 07:27 RealBadAngel hmmm, im thinkin on what to code today :) 07:31 RealBadAngel lets try with deployer and some mesecons 07:33 khonkhortisan Now I have to make a track switcher and make my clock look like a variable resistor 07:59 RealBadAngel i found nice and discountinued minecraft texture pack 07:59 RealBadAngel guys just want credits for it 08:00 RealBadAngel http://minecrafthdtexture.com/ 08:04 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, there are textures for all the redpower's logic gates wires etc 08:04 RealBadAngel you may find that interesting 08:26 cy1 My world has bookmarks now. mauvebic's mod was gone but it was easy to rewrite. 08:27 cy1 also khonkhortisan figured out a menger pyramid... somehow o.O 08:27 cy1 saving dat for all of time 08:37 RealBadAngel damn, screwdriver is extremely useful, no need to pick up nodes and place them again anymore :) 08:48 cy1 screwdriver? 08:49 RealBadAngel yup, even sonic screwdriver 08:49 RealBadAngel new tools in technic. you can rotate nodes with it 08:49 cy1 afaik minetest has no move-node in its protocol... one of the reasons nodes can't be animated, because you have to send dig node, then build node. 08:49 cy1 could do animation with something... oh 08:49 RealBadAngel it works, try it out 08:50 RealBadAngel everythin with param2 can be rotated 08:51 RealBadAngel its possible even to make bridges out of ladders now 08:53 cy1 oh crap 08:53 cy1 there's a technic diamond 08:53 RealBadAngel yikes :) ive made first technic machine controlled by mesecons logic :) 08:53 cy1 there's also a diamonds mod, for makan supar picks and stuff x_x 08:54 RealBadAngel im not makin bunch of new picks and shovels 08:54 cy1 huwu 08:54 cy1 how does that even... work? 08:54 RealBadAngel wait a sec i will show you video 08:54 cy1 no I mean there's a diamonds mod, for making better picks, shovels and axes and swords 08:54 cy1 but it's different from the technic diamond 08:54 cy1 so uh... 08:54 cy1 hm... 08:56 RealBadAngel uploading vid, hold on a few minutes 08:58 cy1 fuck now there's two diamond ores in my server xD 08:59 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mKJbk_ND-g&feature=youtu.be 09:01 RealBadAngel i had to add materials i needed. adding deps on mod which makes just bunch of new tools because they can wouldnt be a good idea 09:02 cy1 So that's a mesecon switch, connected to a... tool workshop? What does turning the switch on do? 09:02 cy1 also jesus christ that screwdriver sound is horrible 09:03 RealBadAngel its original dr who sonic screwdriver sound :) 09:03 RealBadAngel and that machine is nodebreaker. on mesecon signal it breaks the node in front of it 09:04 cy1 It seems like you'd have to write bridging logic somehow... like a mesecon aware item that opens or closes a technic circuit. 09:04 cy1 so, the machine is not technic but mesecons 09:04 RealBadAngel its technic machine 09:05 RealBadAngel but almost all of my machines will also use mesecons logic too 09:05 cy1 technic machine needs power from solar panel or w/ev 09:05 RealBadAngel yes to operate 09:05 cy1 oh, so you are making machines yourself. 09:05 RealBadAngel but to switch it on.off? 09:05 cy1 and making them both mese and technic powered 09:05 cy1 *mesecon 09:06 RealBadAngel like the furnace for example. when cooked an item it should send mesecon signal its done 09:06 RealBadAngel so another machine can take cooked items 09:07 RealBadAngel and send them throgh tubes to the storage 09:07 cy1 ugh, tubes... 09:08 cy1 tubes looked sort of like adding pointless animation to pretend something's actually going between blue chests instead of just teleporting 09:08 cy1 I couldn't tell what they actually did... 09:10 RealBadAngel theyre able by now just to tranport the items 09:10 RealBadAngel now im building machines that are able to put somethin into them 09:10 RealBadAngel or take 09:28 whirm hi everyone 09:32 RealBadAngel hi 10:19 Keegann hey 10:45 Keegann hello 10:47 Keegann anyone here 11:03 mika__ is there any mod or recipes that use desert stone? 12:00 VanessaE morning all 12:02 whirm morning VanessaE 12:59 ReckonMan /join minetest-m13 12:59 ReckonMan well that was a fail 14:25 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 14:25 iqualfragile Hallo PilzAdam 14:25 PilzAdam sup 14:27 iqualfragile Ich hab dem Artikel ein paar Quellen hinzugefügt 14:29 PilzAdam sind das auch vertrauenswürdige quellen? 14:31 iqualfragile ~ 14:31 PilzAdam sag das mal den devs von dem englischen 14:31 PilzAdam (das war grad ein toller satz!) 14:33 iqualfragile yaay 14:36 iqualfragile leider grad nicht wirklich vorhanden 14:36 PilzAdam was? 14:39 iqualfragile englische Wikischreiber 14:40 * PilzAdam pokes VanessaE, Calinou 14:40 Calinou hi 14:40 PilzAdam there are more sources for Minetest wikipedia article in the german version 14:40 Calinou how? 14:41 PilzAdam http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest-c55#einzelnachweise 14:58 Jordach sup 14:58 PilzAdam rewriting carts 14:59 * Jordach annoys VanessaE with visual c++ 14:59 celeron55 haha, i love the indiegamemag article 14:59 PilzAdam programming languages with a "visual" in their name are bad 14:59 celeron55 didn't even remember that existed 15:00 Jordach PilzAdam its another acronym 15:00 Jordach also realism note 15:00 Jordach apple trees dont grow in patches 15:03 Jordach unrelated: has anyone got minetest running on windows 95? 15:03 iqualfragile pilzadam: great idea 15:03 iqualfragile jordach: no, but i can try 2000 soon 15:03 Jordach iqualfragile; one .iso later 15:04 * Calinou is making a new mod 15:04 iqualfragile nono, thats the last version of windows i have bought 15:04 Jordach Calinou WHAT 15:04 iqualfragile calinou: is it adding alot of blocks and tools? 15:04 Calinou no 15:04 * Jordach is interested 15:04 iqualfragile great! 15:04 Calinou however, this new mod will require you to sign an EULA to use it. you must not copy/redistribute it, and you must not insult the game developers 15:05 Calinou r00fles 15:05 Jordach turns out its moreores+moreblocks 15:05 Calinou nope 15:05 Jordach or xores 15:05 Jordach ha xor 15:05 Calinou haha 15:05 Jordach iven doing BCD's all day and binary 8-4-2-1 15:06 Jordach im doing 15:06 iqualfragile calinou: "sign an EULA to use it. you must not copy/redistribute it, and you must not insult the game developers" so its gone be wtfpl in reality 15:07 Jordach yep; no one reads the eula 15:07 Jordach unless its apple 15:07 Calinou :} 15:07 * Jordach quotes that south park epsode 15:08 Jordach brb - system reboot 15:08 iqualfragile celeron55: what happend to http://c55.me/blog/?p=268 15:08 Calinou it still exists 15:09 iqualfragile i wonder what his uptime was 15:09 Calinou minetest.conf: farmesh = 1 I think 15:09 Calinou it seems to be very slow in the latest version though, compared to before 15:10 iqualfragile lets see 15:11 Jordach back 15:11 PilzAdam wb 15:11 iqualfragile what was your uptime? 15:11 Jordach ? 15:12 Jordach i was installing a system update 15:12 Jordach for windows xp 15:12 Jordach (still use it, still fast.) 15:13 iqualfragile oh… i thought you were on linux 15:14 iqualfragile calinou: no, nothing happens 15:14 * Jordach hates unicode in IRC 15:14 Jordach ASCII FTW 15:15 PilzAdam Unicode FTW 15:18 iqualfragile so: how do i enable this feature in newer minetest-versions 15:18 iqualfragile or isnt it there anymore? 15:20 iqualfragile (farmesh 15:20 iqualfragile ) 15:28 Calinou enable_farmesh = 1 15:28 Calinou ^ should work 15:29 iqualfragile allright, im gona check 15:35 iqualfragile the meshes do not disappear when i get near them… 15:45 NekoGloop Good morning 15:46 PilzAdam suo 15:46 PilzAdam *sup 15:46 NekoGloop Not much 15:47 NekoGloop I'm playing junk jack atm (basically ipad terraria) 15:47 Jordach Calinou; seems like you supported xonotic https://github.com/Codemaster7/xonotic-data-patches/tree/9f25cb89a64159c12941ac6735bff9d8150e0b0f/xonotic-credits.txt 15:48 NekoGloop 404 15:49 Jordach NekoGloop githubs search is mental 15:49 Jordach (from yesterday) 15:49 NekoGloop Lol 15:49 Calinou Jordach, i know 15:49 Calinou I translated it to french 15:49 Jordach :D 15:49 NekoGloop Hey you capitalized your name this time 15:49 Calinou yeah he did 15:49 Calinou taking a break from modding for now. will continue later 8) 15:49 * Jordach wats a BETA 15:50 Jordach wants 15:50 NekoGloop Of what? 15:50 Jordach :) 15:50 Calinou it's not working at all, so I can't 15:50 Jordach whats the thing then 15:50 Calinou block protection mod, actually 8) 15:50 Jordach :O 15:50 Calinou but an improved version 15:50 Jordach \o/ 15:50 Calinou with crafting & stuff 15:50 * Jordach dies 15:50 * Calinou kills Jordach 15:51 * Calinou goes back in time first 15:51 * Jordach causes paradox 15:52 NekoGloop Like glomie's + crafting? 15:52 NekoGloop Can you make it so a zone can be specified & shared? 15:53 Calinou no specifying - but there are five types of protection blocks with different sizes 15:53 Calinou maybe sharing... not easy though 15:53 NekoGloop Ok 15:53 NekoGloop Realbadangel credited me as nekogloop... 15:53 NekoGloop Permission to punch him? 15:54 Calinou /grant NekoGloop permission_to_punch_realbadangel 15:54 PilzAdam yay 15:54 NekoGloop Thank you 15:55 NekoGloop Mission accomplished 15:55 NekoGloop I know you, calinou, at least know why ;) 15:56 * Jordach wonders to buy MC for X360. 15:56 NekoGloop Meh 15:56 NekoGloop Get the free demo for pc 15:57 NekoGloop Then get toomanyitems, you can glitch the time limit on the world 15:57 Jordach NekoGloop, unlike some people in here - I have the monies 15:57 NekoGloop Ok then get the pc version 15:57 Jordach i d 15:57 Jordach do 15:57 NekoGloop Xbox has no creative mode even 15:57 Jordach NekoGloop there is a duplication bug 15:58 NekoGloop In what? 15:58 Jordach x360 15:58 NekoGloop Xbox ver? 15:58 Jordach yep 15:58 NekoGloop Ah i see 16:00 NekoGloop I wonder what magic realbadangel is planning for next techinic update 16:01 NekoGloop Is a portable chest possible? 16:01 PilzAdam its called inventory 16:01 NekoGloop Well i want a portable chest 16:02 MiJyn anyone knows good pathfinding algorithms? 16:02 MiJyn I seriously am terrible at them 16:02 NekoGloop Can detached inventories be used to this purpose 16:02 MiJyn and I need them for the mobbinb API :/ 16:02 MiJyn *mobbing 16:03 MiJyn anyone? 16:03 PilzAdam sry, no 16:04 NekoGloop If this was lua i'd say look at the maze mod 16:05 MiJyn It's like as if I'm the only one who wants a C++ mobbing API... 16:05 NekoGloop Well we dont want enemies 16:05 NekoGloop :D 16:05 MiJyn lol 16:05 NekoGloop If there were a peaceful mode, it would never be turned off! 16:05 MiJyn does anyone actually want mob/vehicle APIs? 16:06 MiJyn I've been working on them for the past few weeks 16:06 PilzAdam i want a mob api that is realy simple 16:06 Jordach and not some overblown PoS 16:06 NekoGloop I want mob & vehicles 16:06 NekoGloop But dont make your mobs be op 16:07 MiJyn and not some overblown PoS 16:07 MiJyn PoS? 16:07 NekoGloop Piece of Shit 16:07 MiJyn But dont make your mobs be op 16:07 MiJyn lol 16:07 MiJyn oh, ok 16:07 Jordach piece of s#!7 16:08 MiJyn vehicles are actually just "node clumps" 16:08 MiJyn where you can move the "node clump" somewhere 16:09 MiJyn plus there are sitting blocks 16:09 khonkhortisan you should get hurt when you crash your car 16:09 MiJyn rather, blocks with a "sitting" attribute 16:09 NekoGloop Well personally i'm fine with carts :l 16:09 MiJyn where you get transported with it 16:09 khonkhortisan Do we have rail switches yet? 16:09 NekoGloop Yes 16:09 PilzAdam sure 16:09 MiJyn so a cart would be a block with a "sitting" attribute 16:09 NekoGloop Its in the cart mod since forever 16:09 PilzAdam since forever - 1 day 16:10 NekoGloop Lol 16:10 NekoGloop Hi nakedfury 16:15 celeron55 MiJyn: you pretty much need to implement the pathfinding algorithm yourself, because they're usually not "plug & play" at all but rather quite tied to the underlying system 16:16 NekoGloop Heh 16:16 celeron55 i've implemented A* multiple times 16:16 celeron55 it's not that hard 16:17 NekoGloop I wonder when technic full api will be done... 16:20 iqualfragile celeron55: if you care: farmesh is broken 16:20 NekoGloop Farmesh was removed wasnt it? 16:25 NekoGloop For redpower, if a frame is moved by a normal/sticky piston will it drag blocks? 16:29 khonkhortisan mesecons/internal.lua:133: stack overflow 16:31 khonkhortisan my virtual music player broke 16:40 MiJyn MiJyn: you pretty much need to implement the pathfinding algorithm yourself, because they're usually not "plug & play" at all but rather quite tied to the underlying system 16:40 MiJyn hmm, ok, I will try 16:45 NekoGloop Make a mirror that directs light in a direction 16:45 NekoGloop :D 16:45 khonkhortisan interesting. 16:45 NekoGloop What is interesting? 16:45 khonkhortisan It would have to emit light in both directions, without affecting the result. 16:46 NekoGloop No i mean one that is on a slant 16:47 NekoGloop Turns light from the top to the side, and light from the side to the top 16:47 NekoGloop Would be able to be turned like pistons 16:47 khonkhortisan check top emit side equally. check side emit top equally. Repeat. Emit too much light. 16:47 NekoGloop (that is, place it in a craftgrod) 16:48 NekoGloop Hm, then a light diode. Noone said we need to be realistic 16:48 NekoGloop But i want to send sunlight through my mineshaft. 16:48 khonkhortisan it could probably just subtract the emitted light from the apparent light 16:49 khonkhortisan but I don't know whether a node can emit multiple directional lights 16:49 KsM So apparently I'm mining air now 16:49 KsM cool. 16:49 khonkhortisan welcome to the club 16:49 NekoGloop Didnt you know? 16:49 NekoGloop Air is the newest addition to gloopores ;) (not really) 16:50 khonkhortisan the sun isn't centered in the sunset 16:50 NekoGloop I know 16:50 NekoGloop Looks kinda crappy :l 16:55 NekoGloop Hello realbadangel 16:55 NekoGloop DO NOT CREDIT ME AS NEKOGLOOP 16:55 NekoGloop >:l 16:55 PilzAdam chill 16:55 NekoGloop No. 16:55 RealBadAngel hi 16:56 RealBadAngel got a vid for ya 16:56 RealBadAngel hold on 16:56 NekoGloop Credit me as GloopMaster! 16:56 NekoGloop Not nekogloop! 16:56 NekoGloop It's my 'official' name 16:56 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDeeim14g7Q&feature=youtu.be 16:56 RealBadAngel oke doke 16:56 RealBadAngel now shut up and watch 16:56 Jordach i have a shocking tale 16:57 NekoGloop That's cool realbad 16:57 NekoGloop But have you made full api yet? 16:57 NekoGloop Although i suppose that isnt exactly a technic machine. 16:57 Jordach MCX360 is in fact, awesome 16:57 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, the items should be thrown out the machine 16:57 RealBadAngel no, ive made this todays mornin before work 16:58 RealBadAngel there are 16:58 RealBadAngel watch the vid 16:58 NekoGloop But does it work with a range to it's breaking? 16:59 NekoGloop Player has approx. 5 node range. 16:59 NekoGloop Also, check if the node is breakable, i.e. is in some group (excluding not_in_creative_inventory) 16:59 RealBadAngel no, its designed to break node in front 16:59 NekoGloop Piston arms and clouds will not like your machine 17:00 RealBadAngel for example crops 17:00 RealBadAngel or when put on movin frame it gonna be bore head 17:01 NekoGloop Huh. 17:01 NekoGloop Does it call on_dig? 17:01 KsM 11:00:44: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer digs air at (-65,-586,-93) 17:01 KsM node_dig 17:01 KsM awesome 17:01 RealBadAngel wait a sec 17:02 NekoGloop If not, crops will harvest the actual crop node, not its drops because that's handled in on_dig for unknown reasons *looks over at pilzadam, slightly annoyed* 17:02 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/LGenuKK5 17:02 PilzAdam NekoGloop, what? 17:03 RealBadAngel i do take care of all possible drops 17:03 NekoGloop Use the fucking drops thing that's in minetest... 17:03 PilzAdam in farming? 17:03 NekoGloop Determine drops = {...} instead of on_dig 17:03 RealBadAngel paste whole into lua, then run it within technic 17:03 PilzAdam NekoGloop, in which mod? 17:03 NekoGloop Ipad 17:04 NekoGloop PilzAdam: Look at the fucking context 17:05 PilzAdam if you mean farming i use drop 17:06 PilzAdam i use it in every mod... 17:06 PilzAdam wherever its possible i use it 17:06 NekoGloop Uh, no, because mining drill gives me your actual crops. It succeeds in giving me cobblestone instead of stone though. 17:07 Jordach VanessaE, you here? 17:08 PilzAdam NekoGloop, it shouldnt 17:08 RealBadAngel my way is the same as player would dig the node 17:08 RealBadAngel so stone gives cobble 17:09 PilzAdam and plants should drop the same things 17:09 PilzAdam it works in my item_drop mod 17:10 PilzAdam get_node_drops() returns the right items 17:10 PilzAdam (for my farming mod 17:10 PilzAdam ) 17:10 PilzAdam it dont see any problem 17:10 NekoGloop Because you hadn't told me you updated 17:10 PilzAdam git fetch??? 17:11 NekoGloop Does it look like an ipad can use git? 17:11 Jordach NekoGloop - lol 17:11 PilzAdam does it look like an ipad can run MT 17:11 Jordach PilzAdam they can 17:11 Jordach all they need a torch circles 17:11 NekoGloop You need jailbreak though 17:11 Jordach nope, 17:11 Jordach use itunes dev 17:11 Jordach cross compile 17:12 NekoGloop Lol 17:12 Jordach tada 17:12 Jordach (and be frank, touch circles are easy.....they just need some interpreters) 17:12 PilzAdam NekoGloop, btw. my farming mod never used on_dig; it uses drop = ... since the first version 17:13 PilzAdam could it be you confuse it with the other farming mod? 17:15 NekoGloop Could it be that i'm just not remembering it right, being miles from my comp? :l 17:15 PilzAdam how many miles? 0.1? 17:16 NekoGloop 7 17:17 * PilzAdam goes to play BF3 17:17 PilzAdam bye 17:19 RealBadAngel i dont know what the fuck is wrong with youtube 17:20 RealBadAngel i cannot watch my own last uploaded video 17:20 NekoGloop Lol 17:20 sfan5 xD 17:20 RealBadAngel when i upload another one, then i can watch the one before 17:20 RealBadAngel and new one is impossible to watch 17:20 RealBadAngel since a week or so 17:20 RealBadAngel damn morons 17:21 iqualfragile strange, i can watch the newestx 17:22 RealBadAngel you can watch, i can see how many times it was viewed 17:22 RealBadAngel but I cant watch it 17:22 RealBadAngel when i will upload new one, then i will be able to watch it 17:22 RealBadAngel some1 out there is sick 17:23 iqualfragile hmm… i was wrong, i cant watch it either 17:23 RealBadAngel fuck them, no more youtube 17:23 iqualfragile but till some days ago i could 17:23 RealBadAngel i will upload vids on my server 17:24 iqualfragile but nodebreaker sounds great 17:24 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDeeim14g7Q&feature=plcp 17:24 RealBadAngel uploading it now 17:24 iqualfragile ok: it seems to be some problem with firefox 17:24 iqualfragile i can watch it using pidgin 17:25 NekoGloop Youtube app is perfect 17:25 RealBadAngel whatever is causing that it is morons work 17:26 RealBadAngel and i bet thats because of advertisin 17:27 RealBadAngel that shit is everywhere 17:28 iqualfragile well, they need to generate money somehow 17:28 RealBadAngel btw i found discontinued VERY nice texture pack for minecraft 17:28 RealBadAngel guy just want to be credited 17:28 NekoGloop What is it? 17:29 RealBadAngel http://minecrafthdtexture.com/np-smooth-texture-pack/ 17:29 RealBadAngel in news he explains why he dropped it 17:30 NekoGloop That is a good pack 17:30 RealBadAngel he asks for a) credits b)link to the original 17:30 RealBadAngel not much as for such nice textures 17:31 NekoGloop Cool. 17:31 NekoGloop Now, does anyone want to retexture my evil stuff in gloopblocks? 17:31 NekoGloop Sticks, blocks, and tools all look a bit weird, and not evil at all 17:31 RealBadAngel there are many texture packs for various mods 17:32 RealBadAngel even redpower 17:32 NekoGloop I'm talking about my mod. 17:32 RealBadAngel i already took today nodebreaker textures 17:32 NekoGloop Here, in minetest. 17:32 NekoGloop EARTH TO REALBADANGEL 17:32 RealBadAngel dowload and find somethin 17:32 NekoGloop I'm not talking about minecraft ;) 17:33 jordach-tablet i think my tower crashed. :( 17:33 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/nodebreaker.wmv 17:33 jordach-tablet ÷ 17:34 jordach-tablet +1 for windows format :-) 17:34 thexyz how can somebody +1 for WMV? it's total crap 17:34 thexyz like new iphone 17:34 jordach-tablet +1 17:34 NekoGloop Lol i crashed my internet app 17:35 NekoGloop Not compatible with ipad either xD 17:35 jordach-tablet works on android :-) 17:35 NekoGloop Realbadangel's trollin' all you shitnix users ;) 17:36 thexyz NekoGloop: what do you call "shitnix"? 17:36 NekoGloop I call your os shitnix 17:36 thexyz anything *nix-like? 17:37 thexyz oh, well 17:37 thexyz as usual 17:37 thexyz NekoGloop doesn't know what he talks about 17:37 NekoGloop Haha 17:37 NekoGloop Who's the one who wants windows? ;) 17:38 jordach-tablet mmmmm...must code addon for MOBf that makes scrambled eggs :-) i love scrambled eggs 17:38 NekoGloop Me too 17:39 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Next, make regular alloy furnace. 17:42 RealBadAngel i made it wmv because of cyberlink power director 17:43 RealBadAngel any other format it produces enormously big files 17:43 RealBadAngel when i uploaded it to youtube it was converting it 17:44 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, now im makin Deployer 17:44 NekoGloop Sweet 17:44 NekoGloop How about alloy furnace after? 17:44 NekoGloop ;) 17:44 RealBadAngel i need several machines ready to release them together with tubes 17:45 RealBadAngel and as you noticed propably ive added mesecons to deps 17:45 NekoGloop Then we will finally have 1.0 technic? 17:45 RealBadAngel time to integrate 17:46 NekoGloop Integrate what? 17:46 RealBadAngel power with logic 17:47 NekoGloop Right 17:47 NekoGloop Machines stop working with a mesecon signal? 17:47 RealBadAngel could be done easily 17:47 NekoGloop So i can make my machines not be wasteful without removing e.g. material from a furnace 17:48 RealBadAngel look at the code of breaker 17:48 NekoGloop Havent looked ^^' 17:48 RealBadAngel scroll up and look then u lazy bastard :P 17:49 RealBadAngel btw i noticed strange behaviour of mesecons 17:49 VanessaE hi all. 17:49 RealBadAngel why unisolated one becomes isolated? 17:50 NekoGloop Because vanessae 17:50 RealBadAngel and why sometimes switch connects to it 17:50 VanessaE RealBadAngel: only in the case of a wall lever/button 'receiver'. 17:50 VanessaE and only if it's 2 nodes away 17:50 RealBadAngel and sometimes works from a distance? 17:50 RealBadAngel but still first of all 17:51 RealBadAngel why the heck base one turns magically to insulated one 17:51 RealBadAngel that is nonsense 17:51 VanessaE because it's always behaved as if its insulated 17:51 NekoGloop Remove the fucking reciever entirely = problem solved 17:52 RealBadAngel you have went to far with it 17:52 RealBadAngel user shall have to decide if he wants insulated one or not 17:52 VanessaE no 17:52 VanessaE it's *always* insulated 17:52 RealBadAngel watch the vid 17:52 VanessaE though I can see an argument for why to make a non-insulated one 17:53 NekoGloop Cut the damn thing out, mesecons worked fine without it 17:53 RealBadAngel no, they have a logic reason to be used 17:53 VanessaE mesecons always used it - it just looked like a normal wire before :-) 17:54 RealBadAngel like for example to nearby uninsulated ones shall connect 17:54 RealBadAngel but insulated ones shall not 17:54 NekoGloop Nooo! 17:54 VanessaE making a bare/non-insulated one would add several new nodes 17:54 RealBadAngel but no auto switchin of kinds 17:54 NekoGloop I know why insulated is there 17:54 VanessaE (all the variants to connect in different directions) 17:54 NekoGloop But cut the reciever out dammit 17:55 RealBadAngel what receiver has to do with it 17:55 RealBadAngel when auto placing routines are doing mess 17:55 NekoGloop The thing that we're talking about.. 17:55 NekoGloop Do you even know what you're talking about? 17:55 RealBadAngel i place unisulated one so i want it to be uninsulated 17:56 RealBadAngel otherwise i craft insulated and use it 17:56 RealBadAngel that can fuck up whole circuits 17:56 NekoGloop Placing an uninsulated two nodes away from the button makes an "insulated" reciever 17:56 RealBadAngel thats wrong then 17:56 VanessaE when if we just make it require the placement of an insulated wire to get a receiver at all? 17:57 VanessaE (but keep existing circuits the same so nothing breaks) 17:57 NekoGloop SURE, WHY THE HELL NOT, LET'S JUST FUCKING FIX IT HOWEVER WE CAN. 17:57 RealBadAngel have you ever built any circuit in real? 17:57 RealBadAngel there are no magic wires 17:57 NekoGloop There are no magic wires here 17:57 VanessaE receivers are inductive ;) 17:58 VanessaE or RF, or bluetooth, take your pick 17:58 NekoGloop There is a reason that your recievers are appering 17:58 RealBadAngel rly? 17:58 NekoGloop The fact that you are placing it two nodes away from a button or wall lever 17:58 RealBadAngel i first can hear of a receiver DECIDES what cables it would like to connect to 17:58 VanessaE they're called receivers because wall levers/buttons send out a short-distance wireless signal that they pick up 17:59 NekoGloop Without screenshots that's what i'm assuming your talking about. 17:59 RealBadAngel dunno what ideas enlighten you 17:59 RealBadAngel but as skilled technican with electronics 17:59 NekoGloop Give me fucking screenshots or you're just trolling. 17:59 VanessaE the purpose of receivers is so that you can put a wall button on - imagine this - a solid wall 18:00 RealBadAngel i said youre wrong 18:00 VanessaE and put a wire on the other side and they connect 18:00 VanessaE like the way it always worked before 18:00 NekoGloop I'm probably not, you just arent understanding my simple terminology 18:00 VanessaE but this gives a visual reason for it now 18:00 VanessaE instead of the wire just abruptly ending at the wall 18:00 RealBadAngel im talkin now as an user 18:00 NekoGloop Take a fucking screenshot 18:01 RealBadAngel i oberved wires magically changed 18:01 NekoGloop So that the rest of us know what the fuck you're talking about 18:01 RealBadAngel im talkin english 18:01 NekoGloop Wires magically changing, wow, that's so descriptive. 18:01 RealBadAngel i put normal mesecon 18:01 RealBadAngel it changed to insulated one when put button 18:01 NekoGloop TAKE A FUCKING SCREENSHOT 18:01 * VanessaE takes a fucking screenshot 18:02 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mKJbk_ND-g&feature=g-all-u the thing that appears at 0:17 18:02 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_3148134681.png 18:03 VanessaE [wall button][glass block][receiver][wire][wire...] 18:03 RealBadAngel recording vid now 18:03 VanessaE (in the distance, fwiw, an optical sensor array) 18:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: make sense now? 18:05 NekoGloop It always made sense to me 18:05 VanessaE RealBadAngel: if that's the sound of your block breaker in action.....GEVALT! 18:05 NekoGloop I wanted to force him to look at it so he knew what i meant 18:06 RealBadAngel the sound is Sonic Screwdriver 18:06 VanessaE right, I figured that after I said the above 18:06 RealBadAngel ask dr WHO bout it, not me ;) 18:06 VanessaE that's *gotta* be made shorter and quieter 18:07 NekoGloop Shorter would be fine xD 18:07 VanessaE like half a second instead of seconds. 18:07 RealBadAngel yeah i know 18:07 RealBadAngel some1 could make it? 18:07 VanessaE Audacity is Your Friend™ 18:07 RealBadAngel me and audio soft are incopatible 18:07 VanessaE (or virtualdub if you swing that way) 18:08 RealBadAngel not mine ;) 18:10 RealBadAngel hah, screwdriver works with button too 18:10 RealBadAngel sweet 18:10 NekoGloop Ofc 18:10 NekoGloop Oh, lol, i never gave you my wallmounted coee 18:10 NekoGloop Code* 18:10 NekoGloop Derrrrp 18:11 NekoGloop Well remind me when i get on my computer 18:11 RealBadAngel and with placed wires 18:11 NekoGloop Yup, although updateing the wire replaces it 18:12 RealBadAngel shall also took care of connect rules 18:12 NekoGloop Huh? 18:12 RealBadAngel brb, 10 minutes 18:13 RealBadAngel i mean wire when rotated, conducts signal as not rotated one still 18:13 NekoGloop I know 18:14 iqualfragile realbadangel: then use openshot or novacut or this vlc video-editor 18:15 RealBadAngel need another one, for sure 18:15 RealBadAngel will try them 18:18 iqualfragile oh, wait, openshot is linux-only 18:18 NekoGloop Lol 18:19 NekoGloop Does it suck just as much as the os it runs on? 18:19 iqualfragile vannesae: could you please just type /ban nekogloop 18:19 iqualfragile ? 18:20 NekoGloop Why, i'm only stating facts 18:20 thexyz kdenlive is awesome 18:20 thexyz as video editor 18:20 thexyz it's surprising that windows doesn't have that much free/open video editors 18:21 iqualfragile im actualy thinking about using blender as video-editor 18:21 iqualfragile kdenlive is great because it has this adaptive pixeling-effect 18:21 iqualfragile vanessae & other wiki-contributors: the german page has some more refferences/sources 18:22 iqualfragile you could add them to the english one 18:22 iqualfragile https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest-c55#Einzelnachweise 18:23 VanessaE iqualfragile: so add them 18:23 VanessaE I can't read German so I can't verify their content :-/ 18:23 iqualfragile the sources are english 18:23 iqualfragile i have allready added them to the german article 18:24 VanessaE oh ok 18:24 VanessaE so add them to the english one :) 18:24 VanessaE I'm done contributing to wikipedia anyway 18:26 * RealBadAngel is back 18:27 NekoGloop You left? 18:27 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel 18:27 RealBadAngel i told ya, ill be back in 10 minutes 18:27 RealBadAngel i went shopping 18:27 NekoGloop xD 18:27 NekoGloop For beer, i take it? :D 18:28 RealBadAngel of course 18:28 VanessaE did you remember to pick up some ice cream? ;) 18:28 RealBadAngel im after 10 hrs of work, its raining outside 18:28 RealBadAngel bar weather 18:28 VanessaE ick 18:28 RealBadAngel what shall i do if not drinkin beer? ;) 18:29 RealBadAngel anyways, lets start with deployer 18:31 RealBadAngel since i made node breaker in like 40 minutes it shall not take long i think 18:31 VanessaE regarding the node breaker.. 18:31 RealBadAngel yes? 18:31 VanessaE it should actually eject the entity rather than just drop it neaby 18:31 VanessaE nearby* 18:31 RealBadAngel yes 18:31 VanessaE as in eject it out the back, make it land a few nodes away 18:31 RealBadAngel that was done for testing 18:32 thexyz don't those wikipedians count linuxformat as "reliable source"? 18:33 RealBadAngel i will check for tube connected then will use minetest.env:add_entity(pos, "technic:tubed_item") 18:33 RealBadAngel if there will be no tube connected breaker will be jammed 18:34 RealBadAngel until you connect the tube to let it spit the item 18:35 RealBadAngel thanks to NekoGloop, and his pushing me into screwing (driving) way, i solved problems with orientation 18:35 NekoGloop xD 18:35 RealBadAngel and can now easily calculate which side is actualy left and right 18:35 NekoGloop I only splitted some code from bucket and my imagination 18:36 RealBadAngel i pushed it a bit further 18:36 NekoGloop Btw, did you change the name i'm credited by? 18:36 RealBadAngel yup 18:36 RealBadAngel sorry 18:36 NekoGloop xD 18:36 RealBadAngel i shall say: yes, Master 18:36 RealBadAngel :P\ 18:36 NekoGloop Yes, now give me my laser screwdriver. 18:37 RealBadAngel for the laser ive got plans already 18:38 RealBadAngel i will never understand using ipods and other shit as a computer 18:38 RealBadAngel soon they gonna irc using microvawe owens ;) 18:39 thexyz what do you mean by "other shit"? 18:39 RealBadAngel phones, cameras etc 18:39 thexyz what about tablets? 18:40 RealBadAngel also negative 18:40 RealBadAngel not comfortable at all 18:40 thexyz why? 18:40 thexyz android is good enough 18:40 RealBadAngel keyboard? 18:40 thexyz you can connect usb keyboard to it 18:40 thexyz if you need one 18:40 RealBadAngel then you started to build desktop already 18:40 thexyz you still can use it without keyboard 18:41 thexyz unlike desktop pc 18:41 RealBadAngel desktop is desktop. most powerful. period 18:41 RealBadAngel rest are toys 18:41 RealBadAngel gadgets 18:41 VanessaE RealBadAngel: that reminds me - can you come on with a stable, generic group ID I can check for to finish the tube autoconnect algorithm? 18:42 thexyz desktop is good for creating content, tablets are good for content consumption 18:42 VanessaE (above that is) 18:42 RealBadAngel VanessaE, workin on it. i started to standarize all the stuff in technic 18:42 RealBadAngel almost everything has now API functions 18:42 VanessaE ok 18:43 VanessaE the group should be general enough that others can use tubes in their creations as well without relying on technic of course 18:43 RealBadAngel tools, machines can be used and constructed by other mods 18:43 VanessaE like groups = {connect_to_tube=1} or something 18:43 RealBadAngel and serve by technic 18:44 RealBadAngel thats the problem im still thinkin about 18:44 RealBadAngel how to oranize it 18:44 RealBadAngel because we do have different kinds of receivers 18:44 RealBadAngel chests, furnaces 18:44 RealBadAngel some can only send items 18:45 RealBadAngel i need good plan for that 18:46 RealBadAngel for example chest should be sender and receiver at the same time 18:46 RealBadAngel furnace sender on right side, receiver on left 18:46 VanessaE I'm just thinking about when the autoplace code is being run 18:46 RealBadAngel node breaker can be only sender 18:46 VanessaE nothing to do with stuff being moved around 18:46 RealBadAngel you saw the vid 18:47 VanessaE the block breaker? yeah 18:47 RealBadAngel i rotated breaker and it worked flawlessy 18:47 RealBadAngel i was even able to 'eat' mesecon signal cable lol 18:48 RealBadAngel pushed button, cable eaten and spit 18:50 Jordach awesome 18:50 Jordach just awesome 18:51 khonkhortisan So would it be possible to make a machine that builds a machine? 18:51 Mikeonline hi 18:51 khonkhortisan hello 18:52 Jordach khonkhortisan - probably 18:52 VanessaE afternoon khonkhortisan 18:52 VanessaE "Machines building machines? How perverse." 18:52 Jordach VanessaE - whats for lunch? 18:52 VanessaE Jordach: chimichangas 18:53 Jordach :) 18:53 Mikeonline will NodeOwnership or some rights system be added in some minetest release soon? 18:54 VanessaE ask c55 :) 18:57 Mikeonline celeron55 :) 18:57 khonkhortisan with large machines, I get mesecons that stay on without a source 19:09 khonkhortisan interesting how a system works until you try to scale it 19:10 khonkhortisan my delayer looks like an inverter 19:15 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, why not? automatic crafting bench, used resources supplied by storage systems, then deployed 19:15 RealBadAngel powered, and operated with logic 19:15 RealBadAngel round circle 19:15 Jordach VanessaE, make a textur pack with just these colours http://i.imgur.com/cZYdB.png 19:16 iqualfragile make a texturepack with just the solarized-colours 19:16 RealBadAngel imagine that: line of node breakers and deployers 19:16 iqualfragile why? 19:16 khonkhortisan might need frames 19:16 iqualfragile that would be waset 19:16 khonkhortisan might not 19:17 RealBadAngel node breaker makes room, followin deployers put cables and more breakers 19:18 khonkhortisan an out-of-memory error would trigger the machine to build more 19:18 RealBadAngel once put, next signal makes node breaker to make more space in front of it 19:18 RealBadAngel wanna bet? :) 19:19 khonkhortisan there's a small bug in crossed insulated wire 19:20 khonkhortisan ah, I'm trying to turn both ends on. 19:24 khonkhortisan Are delayers wired to be able to work as delayed nots? 19:32 RealBadAngel hmmm 19:32 Jordach wow 19:32 RealBadAngel got a question 19:32 Jordach making a texture pack with 29 colours is hard 19:32 RealBadAngel is there a function to check what is player able to make with right click and wielded item? 19:33 RealBadAngel or shall i check all the possibilities again? 19:34 RealBadAngel i mean place a node, plant a sapling etc 19:35 khonkhortisan it doesn't matter if it looks good, you just need to be able to tell what it is 19:38 M13Coder is celeron55 here? 19:44 RealBadAngel celeron55 is currently in finland 19:46 M13Coder damn 19:46 M13Coder i need to talk to him 19:46 M13Coder so when he comes back tell him 19:46 thexyz i think player can only place node with right click 19:46 thexyz or drop an item 19:46 thexyz everything else is handled via nodes'/item's callbacks 19:47 RealBadAngel shit, so i will have to reproduce all the logic :( 19:47 thexyz what logic? 19:48 RealBadAngel got the item in hand (in a machine) 19:48 RealBadAngel cliking it on pointed thing 19:48 RealBadAngel would like the machine havin same effect as player would 19:49 thexyz then just call those callbacks 19:50 RealBadAngel tryin now 19:50 RealBadAngel still no go 19:50 thexyz well, i guess, you're doing it wrong 19:50 RealBadAngel thats why im askin :) 19:51 thexyz call on_place, after_place_node, on_construct 19:51 thexyz don't forget to set your itemstack to which on_place returned 19:52 RealBadAngel on_place seems promising 19:52 thexyz you should call all of them 19:53 thexyz i suggest looking at the code to make sure your machine will work like player does 19:53 RealBadAngel i asked because in API there are functions to dig like player digs etc 19:54 RealBadAngel but havet found this case one 19:54 RealBadAngel well, i will try them 19:55 thexyz really? 19:55 thexyz - place_node(pos, node) 19:55 thexyz ^ Place node with the same effects that a player would cause 19:55 RealBadAngel so try it 19:55 RealBadAngel doesnt work as described at all 19:56 RealBadAngel dunno how 19:56 thexyz fill bugreport then 19:56 RealBadAngel for example when machine got sapling 19:57 RealBadAngel it isnt able to "missing word" in the ground 19:58 RealBadAngel just no effect at all 19:58 RealBadAngel while player can do that easily 19:58 thexyz ?? 19:58 thexyz you mean, to plant it? 19:58 RealBadAngel yes 19:58 RealBadAngel that was the word 19:58 RealBadAngel sorry, im not english 19:59 thexyz well, planting it = putting node at some position 19:59 thexyz (english isn't my native language too) 19:59 RealBadAngel so given my machine sapling, ordered it to "put it" and no go 20:00 thexyz does it work with other nodes? 20:00 RealBadAngel i can place a node 20:00 RealBadAngel thats not a problem 20:00 thexyz sapling is a node too 20:00 RealBadAngel somehow different 20:00 thexyz not at all 20:00 RealBadAngel i can put stone on the grass 20:00 thexyz http://pastebin.com/Y8CdSsG8 20:01 RealBadAngel but i cant do that with sapling 20:01 thexyz http://pastebin.com/XsM5DbAe 20:02 RealBadAngel i can see the code 20:02 RealBadAngel but explain me why it doesnt work 20:02 RealBadAngel with hand works, with directly callin the put routine it doesnt 20:04 RealBadAngel got no errors 20:04 RealBadAngel just no effect 20:05 RealBadAngel no matter what i guess its another lua trick 20:06 RealBadAngel each problem i try to solve im fighting with lua 20:07 RealBadAngel that is the most fucked up language i was using 20:07 celeron55 i once looked at the code of the music box of the technic mod 20:07 celeron55 i won't look again... 20:07 RealBadAngel and? 20:07 RealBadAngel hehehe 20:07 celeron55 it's horrible and you clearly don't know what you're doing 8) 20:07 RealBadAngel yes, youre right 20:08 RealBadAngel i tryin all the possible exits 20:08 RealBadAngel because i have no clear answers and solutions 20:09 RealBadAngel LUA is non linear and strict 20:09 RealBadAngel variables are used as parents would like to 20:09 RealBadAngel complete mess 20:10 thexyz well, for me place_node does work 20:10 RealBadAngel im passing string to the functions it keeps yelling me it want string not nil 20:10 RealBadAngel while it wanted a table 20:10 RealBadAngel with some strings in it 20:11 RealBadAngel complete lack of logic 20:11 thexyz what? 20:11 thexyz > im passing string to the functions 20:11 thexyz > while it wanted a table 20:11 RealBadAngel learning lua reminds like walkin blind in a dark room 20:11 RealBadAngel yes 20:11 thexyz well, there is of course some lack of logic in this statement 20:12 RealBadAngel exactly 20:12 khonkhortisan stringified table? 20:12 celeron55 it's just lua trying to guess the situation from the calls made to it 20:12 thexyz why do you pass a string when it needs table? 20:12 RealBadAngel i tried to place a node 20:12 RealBadAngel api said i shall name it 20:12 RealBadAngel so i passed string with node name 20:13 thexyz api said "place_node(pos, node)" 20:13 RealBadAngel and engine said im passing nil 20:13 thexyz i suggest you not even trying to learn C 20:13 RealBadAngel because it expexted table 20:14 RealBadAngel thexyz, you know what? i mastered c++ 20 yrs ago 20:14 RealBadAngel and assembler too 20:14 RealBadAngel z80 and x86 20:14 RealBadAngel lua is fucked up, not me 20:14 thexyz lolyes 20:14 celeron55 "mastered C++" is something pretty much nobody can say 20:15 celeron55 RealBadAngel: you should read the "progrmaming in lua" book 20:15 thexyz passing string to function which needs table is definetly lua problem 20:15 celeron55 (just like everybody else) 20:15 RealBadAngel error log says "expected string got nil" 20:16 thexyz yes, that's true 20:16 RealBadAngel wheres table word here the duck? 20:16 thexyz > s = "test" 20:16 thexyz > = s["lol"] 20:16 thexyz nil 20:16 thexyz > = s.lol 20:16 thexyz nil 20:16 thexyz engine tries to create node with name node.name which is obviously nil 20:16 RealBadAngel its just confusing 20:16 thexyz if it's confusing read some clever books about lua 20:16 RealBadAngel error logs often says nothin at all 20:17 RealBadAngel i do 20:17 RealBadAngel and im getting used to it 20:17 thexyz then why're you wasting our time right now? 20:17 thexyz go learn it ^^ 20:18 RealBadAngel i do look like im not learnin? 20:18 thexyz yes 20:19 RealBadAngel maybe some dwarves wrote technic then 20:19 RealBadAngel apparently not me 20:19 RealBadAngel because "i do not know what im doin" 20:20 thexyz maybe, i don't know 20:20 RealBadAngel you both said so 20:20 celeron55 the error you get from set/add/place_node by passsing a string IS terrible, but it doesn't mean anything else is bad except minetest's checking of the arguments 20:21 RealBadAngel its not documented anywhere 20:21 celeron55 wut? 20:21 celeron55 just see what is mentioned under set/add_node 20:21 RealBadAngel i was tryin to pass there node.name 20:22 thexyz > - place_node(pos, node) 20:22 thexyz not name 20:22 thexyz "node" 20:22 thexyz Nodes are passed by value between Lua and the engine. 20:22 thexyz They are represented by a table: 20:22 thexyz {name="name", param1=num, param2=num} 20:23 RealBadAngel now i learned that 20:23 RealBadAngel you both know about the rules much more than modders 20:24 celeron55 it's kind of a good idea to read through the whole lua_api.txt; it isn't that long 20:24 thexyz that's public official minetest documentation, how can i know something from it more than somebody else? 20:24 RealBadAngel but modders have to find that out with hours of tryin and crashes and nonsense bug reports 20:26 celeron55 the largest problem in that is the fact that it is and only can be checked at runtime 20:26 thexyz modders should better spend some time reading lua_api.txt 20:26 RealBadAngel celeron55, believe me i do read it 20:26 celeron55 but it is inherent to the thing 20:26 RealBadAngel and other mods too 20:27 celeron55 RealBadAngel: feel free to submit patches with better API error reporting and/or additions/fixes to lua_api.txt 20:28 RealBadAngel that error i encountered today i would love to fix 20:28 RealBadAngel sayin string expected got nil 20:28 RealBadAngel while table was needed 20:29 RealBadAngel print dump each line 20:29 RealBadAngel sayin for christ sake i do have string 20:29 RealBadAngel whats goin on 20:30 thexyz string was expected in different place 20:31 RealBadAngel how could i know?? :) 20:31 RealBadAngel it named #2 20:31 thexyz the only problem is that minetest doesn't check if "node" is table 20:31 RealBadAngel argument 20:31 RealBadAngel there are many such "flowers" 20:32 thexyz ? 20:32 RealBadAngel for example "wear" 20:32 RealBadAngel add_wear does nothin 20:33 RealBadAngel i have to dump it to table 20:33 RealBadAngel change it, and restore it 20:33 RealBadAngel then it works 20:33 khonkhortisan switch+nand+delayer=clock with an an/off switch 20:34 thexyz what? 20:34 thexyz add_wear works 20:34 thexyz it modifies itemstack 20:34 RealBadAngel spend 2 nights on that 20:34 RealBadAngel only way that works is to dump itemstack to table 20:35 RealBadAngel take wear, modify it 20:35 RealBadAngel and replace itemstack 20:35 thexyz yes 20:35 thexyz that's how it works 20:35 thexyz read lua_api.txt, again 20:35 RealBadAngel add_wear i said does nothin 20:35 thexyz no 20:36 thexyz it adds wear to itemstack 20:36 RealBadAngel it works on the copy i think 20:36 thexyz no 20:36 thexyz again 20:36 RealBadAngel and the copy goes nowhere 20:36 thexyz it works on itemstack you give to it 20:36 thexyz if you give copy to it - it works on copy 20:36 thexyz https://github.com/xyzz/painting/blob/master/init.lua#L124 20:37 thexyz if you don't care to read api documentation don't be surprised of such things 20:37 RealBadAngel not really 20:37 RealBadAngel where is said for example when i use a tool 20:37 RealBadAngel i shall return its state? 20:38 RealBadAngel i ask again: where? 20:38 thexyz what is said? 20:38 RealBadAngel nowhere 20:38 RealBadAngel i use a tool, wear it 20:38 thexyz i don't understand you 20:38 RealBadAngel again: im using a tool 20:38 thexyz on_use = func(itemstack, user, pointed_thing), 20:38 thexyz ^ default: nil 20:38 thexyz ^ Function must return either nil if no item shall be removed from 20:38 thexyz inventory, or an itemstack to replace the original itemstack. 20:38 thexyz eg. itemstack:take_item(); return itemstack 20:38 thexyz ^ Otherwise, the function is free to do what it wants. 20:38 thexyz ^ The default functions handle regular use cases. 20:39 thexyz yep 20:39 RealBadAngel uh, sorry then 20:40 thexyz don't be sorry; read api documentation 20:40 RealBadAngel i shall shut up i think :) 20:40 RealBadAngel but to be honest i like it 20:41 RealBadAngel fightin a problem gives you joy when u find a solution 20:42 RealBadAngel and in fact its one of the reasons im here 20:43 RealBadAngel i do like to code. game that gives you possibility to play and code at the same time is a diamond 20:45 RealBadAngel celeron55, back to your quote, plz tell me what you havent liked in music players code exactly? 20:46 RealBadAngel its quite simple routine, i cant c here somethin problematic 20:48 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/UeiN1hW5 20:48 RealBadAngel its here 20:48 RealBadAngel can i know what ive done here wrong? 20:51 VanessaE anyone wanna see a slightly creepy photorealistic nyancat? ;-) 20:52 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/nc_front.png 20:52 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/nc_back.png 20:52 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/nc_rb.png 20:52 VanessaE tghis, folks, is what happens when you have a crazy idea and too much time on your hands 20:52 RealBadAngel but celeron55, if you want to judge me after my code 20:52 RealBadAngel try this 20:52 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/GDPKM9nS 20:53 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: release something dammit xD 20:53 RealBadAngel i was talkin to c55 and xyz 20:53 NekoGloop VanessaE: rainbow is awesome 20:53 NekoGloop release a new technic machine, derp 20:54 RealBadAngel 20 pushes a day its enough :P 20:54 NekoGloop NOOO! 20:54 RealBadAngel 200? 20:54 VanessaE RealBadAngel: look at those links ^^^^ 20:54 VanessaE :) 20:55 RealBadAngel took the 1st one 20:55 RealBadAngel ROTFL 20:55 NekoGloop 200 is good 20:55 NekoGloop now get to work! 20:55 RealBadAngel im not fast enough 20:56 * NekoGloop cracks whip 20:56 NekoGloop GO 20:56 * VanessaE pushes the appropriate updates to the texture pack 20:56 RealBadAngel not when every single problem im fighting with nonsense error reports and non readable api 20:57 RealBadAngel howgh 20:57 NekoGloop non readable api? 20:57 NekoGloop pfft at least there is one 20:57 RealBadAngel yes 20:57 RealBadAngel it give leads 20:57 RealBadAngel but not solutions 20:58 Octupus holA 20:58 RealBadAngel it works like: theres a function 20:58 RealBadAngel whos gonna try to guess how it works? 20:58 RealBadAngel me me me i was first, fail 20:59 RealBadAngel that pisses me off 20:59 RealBadAngel you all know this 20:59 RealBadAngel every single problem we do fight with simple functions 21:00 RealBadAngel not well documented 21:00 RealBadAngel and trying to find out what the heck to do they eat 21:00 RealBadAngel and then when one finds that out we do copy that 21:01 RealBadAngel i could understand that once 21:01 RealBadAngel maybe i was drunk or whatever 21:01 NekoGloop xD 21:02 RealBadAngel but not after 1,5 month of coding each day 21:02 NekoGloop you're always drunk 21:02 RealBadAngel yeah 21:02 RealBadAngel and as i said dwarves wrote technic 21:02 RealBadAngel while i was drunk 21:03 NekoGloop ah 21:03 NekoGloop you need to pay them more 21:03 RealBadAngel no way 21:03 iqualfragile no, they would just get lazy 21:03 RealBadAngel rotfl 21:03 NekoGloop heh 21:04 NekoGloop so you're sharing the beer then? 21:04 RealBadAngel dont think im drunk 21:04 RealBadAngel 40 yrs old guy cannot get drunk with 2 beers 21:04 RealBadAngel :P 21:05 NekoGloop you sure? 21:05 NekoGloop i know many who can xD 21:05 RealBadAngel damn 21:05 iqualfragile you are from america, arent you? 21:05 iqualfragile he is from poland 21:05 RealBadAngel who? 21:05 RealBadAngel me? 21:05 RealBadAngel poland 21:06 iqualfragile you are from poland 21:06 iqualfragile neko is from america 21:06 NekoGloop neko is from japan 21:06 RealBadAngel ive got russian grandfather 21:06 NekoGloop I'm from america 21:06 NekoGloop (neko is a japanese word xD) 21:06 RealBadAngel i can drink 1l of vodka and not being drunk 21:06 iqualfragile there might be a *small* difference betwenn the amounts you need to get drunk 21:07 RealBadAngel indeed 21:07 VanessaE because I'm so big, it takes me a whole bottle of champaign to get drunk 21:08 VanessaE champagne* 21:08 Uberi what proof, VanessaE? 21:08 VanessaE Uberi: around 15 or 16 proof I think 21:08 Uberi ah 21:08 VanessaE 7-8% ABV anyway 21:08 RealBadAngel pffft 21:09 RealBadAngel try to drink 80 volts 21:09 RealBadAngel sliwowica 21:09 Uberi that's 80 mL of pure alcohol, I believe 21:09 RealBadAngel yugoslavian vodka 21:09 RealBadAngel 80% pure alcohol 21:10 RealBadAngel made of plums 21:10 whirm RealBadAngel: hardcore palinka? 21:11 RealBadAngel whirm, palinka? 21:11 whirm RealBadAngel: Romanian liquour made from distilled fermented plums (or apples sometimes I think) 21:12 RealBadAngel you mean strong alcohol i guess 21:12 RealBadAngel word says so 21:12 RealBadAngel that burns 21:12 VanessaE jeez 21:12 whirm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palinka 21:12 VanessaE strongest I've had was a sip of vodka once. didn't care for it 21:13 whirm yes, its pretty strog 21:13 whirm I once tried a small sip from a shot glass of a ~90º whiskey 21:13 RealBadAngel strong here in poland is everythin above 50% 21:13 RealBadAngel 40% is normal 21:13 whirm I coughed for more than 5 minutes 21:14 RealBadAngel but you can buy vodkas of 50%-55% 21:14 whirm wow, palinka's alcohol content is between 37.5% and 86% ABV. (from wp) 21:15 VanessaE whew 21:15 RealBadAngel possible 21:15 RealBadAngel its possible to brew somethin like this at home 21:16 whirm RealBadAngel: yes, my gf family does it at home 21:17 whirm this and 1000l. of wine each year 21:17 whirm for own consumption 21:17 RealBadAngel oh shit 21:17 RealBadAngel i do also make wine for me 21:18 RealBadAngel but like 30-40 liters per year lol 21:18 VanessaE jeez. most abe and I ever consume is about two, sometimes three bottles of bubbly per *year* 21:18 VanessaE G*d damn drunk euros :D 21:18 RealBadAngel most of it is cherry 21:18 RealBadAngel and sweet 21:20 RealBadAngel wine, and some percentage, Vanessa, is good for your heart 21:20 whirm I drink like 2 beers a week, 3 max 21:20 VanessaE so I've heard 21:20 VanessaE if that's the case, whirm's will be beating for the next 10 years after he dies :D 21:20 RealBadAngel i do drink 1-2 per day 21:20 RealBadAngel excluding weekends 21:21 whirm VanessaE: with 2 beers a week? 21:21 whirm you need to met my gf's brother in law 21:21 VanessaE whirm: I was kidding :) 21:21 whirm VanessaE: :D 21:21 VanessaE great. My favorite world is broken now - some obscure leaf decay bug 21:22 RealBadAngel i do like taste of beer after whole day of hard work 21:22 RealBadAngel its relaxing just 21:22 RealBadAngel and sometimes put me straight to bed lol 21:23 VanessaE in case anyone knows the reason, http://pastebin.com/6rdaPckH 21:23 whirm VanessaE: don't you have backups? 21:23 VanessaE that was from a backup. 21:23 VanessaE it's something that broke in 0.4.3 apparently. 21:24 RealBadAngel btw VanessaE, i think we shall drop that fuckin nyan cat 21:24 VanessaE nnnooooooo 21:24 RealBadAngel apart your pictures are cute 21:25 RealBadAngel owner say "fuck you" we shall do the same 21:25 VanessaE if c55 drops it I'll put it back as a mod :) 21:25 NekoGloop if he drops it, i still have the mapgen function 21:26 RealBadAngel heh 21:26 RealBadAngel c55 after todays evenig thinks i cannot read api 21:26 RealBadAngel and somehow he believes my music_player code is shit 21:27 RealBadAngel when he got back i shall rememeber him his words 21:27 RealBadAngel what he asked me for 21:28 RealBadAngel need to swith to another box then and prepare some scripts 21:30 RealBadAngel i wont let me calll blind when there nothin to see 21:32 RealBadAngel each fuckin error will be documented with logs and screenshots 21:32 RealBadAngel i may miss something from time to time 21:32 RealBadAngel but not with every new function i try 21:33 RealBadAngel and thats exactly what i hate in lua 21:33 RealBadAngel xyz told me today i shall learn c++ then 21:33 whirm RealBadAngel: I use awesome wm, tell me about it :) 21:33 RealBadAngel he just made me laugh 21:34 RealBadAngel demoscene coder, over 20 yrs in assebler, then c++, studies 21:34 RealBadAngel was asked to learn c++ 21:35 RealBadAngel bow to the lua masters 21:35 RealBadAngel notnin more to say 21:35 thexyz (00:51:24) RealBadAngel: http://pastebin.com/GDPKM9nS 21:35 thexyz dafuq is that? 21:35 * thexyz kills myself 21:35 thexyz himself* 21:35 thexyz but, anyway 21:36 RealBadAngel it has a purpose thexyz 21:36 thexyz well 21:36 RealBadAngel got the code? 21:36 thexyz it's shit 21:36 RealBadAngel oh, its shit? 21:36 RealBadAngel so shut the fuck up, plz 21:36 thexyz yes 21:36 thexyz too much COPYPASTA 21:37 thexyz you should better design things before you code 21:37 RealBadAngel fuck you 21:37 RealBadAngel i said 21:37 thexyz well, you can just /ignore me 21:37 RealBadAngel dont even try to write to me again\ 21:38 RealBadAngel i do not care bout what you write 21:38 RealBadAngel fuck you 21:38 RealBadAngel youre moron 21:38 NekoGloop realbadangel raging 21:38 * NekoGloop grabs popcorn 21:39 NekoGloop this is going to be a better love story than twilight 21:39 RealBadAngel i dont argue with idiots 21:39 thexyz yep, maybe 21:39 NekoGloop 'course that dont mean much 21:39 RealBadAngel i tell them to shut up 21:39 thexyz but that doesn't make your code better 21:39 RealBadAngel you dont even understand this code you bastard 21:40 thexyz of course you do know if i understand this code or not 21:40 RealBadAngel so get outta my way 21:40 thexyz at least i see ton of copypasted things which can be replaced by looping over some table(-s) 21:40 RealBadAngel i tried to ask you simple questions 21:40 NekoGloop i started misunderstanding the code at and ended misunderstanding at 21:41 RealBadAngel you treated me like i was idiot child playin in the sandbox 21:41 RealBadAngel so i say now, fuck you 21:41 RealBadAngel thanks for your help 21:41 * NekoGloop applauds 21:41 NekoGloop Good show! 21:42 thexyz at least, i answered you all your questions 21:42 RealBadAngel lol 21:42 RealBadAngel indeed 21:42 RealBadAngel read api 21:42 RealBadAngel hahahahhahahhaha 21:43 RealBadAngel all modders do read those fuckin api 21:43 thexyz then, if you think it looks like "you treated me like i was idiot child playin in the sandbox" that doesn't mean i treated you like you was idiot child playin in the sandbox 21:43 RealBadAngel look 21:43 thexyz well, if you like to code without knowing API that's your choice 21:43 RealBadAngel when im sittin two nights in a row 21:43 RealBadAngel readin those fuckin api 21:43 thexyz this api is not that big 21:43 RealBadAngel gettin errors 21:44 thexyz you're probably reading something wrong 21:44 RealBadAngel and no one is able to explain why im gettin nil when expepected stiring 21:44 RealBadAngel and then i try to ask for it 21:44 RealBadAngel and you try to make fool out of me 21:45 NekoGloop and then i helped, correct? or is this something else? 21:45 RealBadAngel im sayin enough 21:45 RealBadAngel something is wrong 21:45 thexyz you mean, you still doesn't understand why you got that error? 21:45 RealBadAngel i did 21:45 RealBadAngel when i screamed 21:45 RealBadAngel you think it made me feel better? 21:46 thexyz i don't know 21:46 RealBadAngel no 21:46 RealBadAngel ive chosen this community because of fine ppl 21:46 * NekoGloop gives realbadangel a slice of pizza 21:47 NekoGloop I'm eating pizza right now, want some? :3 21:47 RealBadAngel and opportunity to code adn play at the same time 21:47 RealBadAngel gimme 21:47 RealBadAngel :) 21:47 * NekoGloop hands it over 21:47 RealBadAngel thx 21:47 NekoGloop Bacon Lettuce Green Peppers and Cheese... God I love subway :3 21:48 RealBadAngel thexyz, dont get me wrong. im tryin to point whats wrong 21:48 RealBadAngel not to destroy 21:48 RealBadAngel c55 told me, so make it better 21:48 NekoGloop you should work on a api documentation 21:49 RealBadAngel when i will have enough experience? why not 21:49 NekoGloop no i mean for technic 21:49 RealBadAngel but now each day i fighting lua 21:49 NekoGloop if you want you could do one for minetest mod api, i suppose. 21:50 NekoGloop I shall make a technicplus extention 21:50 RealBadAngel deeper i go, more fights 21:50 NekoGloop really only waiting on full api xD 21:51 NekoGloop is it alright if i attempt to make a full api? 21:51 NekoGloop (for technic) 21:51 RealBadAngel theres really one more function left to do 21:51 NekoGloop registering the machines themselves 21:52 RealBadAngel yes 21:52 RealBadAngel then clean the code 21:52 NekoGloop well I have something of an idea... 21:52 thexyz well, that was nice 21:52 thexyz don't get me wrong but fuck you 21:52 RealBadAngel sure 21:52 RealBadAngel that works both ways ;) 21:53 RealBadAngel no offence 21:53 NekoGloop variable furnace_is_cookin... such technical terms 21:54 RealBadAngel thexyz, who shall i sell my troubles? bill gates? 21:54 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, its a state variable 21:54 NekoGloop i know 21:55 NekoGloop "cookin" is such a technical ter, 21:55 NekoGloop term* 21:55 RealBadAngel i suggest dont touch it 21:55 NekoGloop i wasnt gonna 21:55 NekoGloop I meant the words used xD 21:55 RealBadAngel while its true 21:55 RealBadAngel shit 21:55 NekoGloop "cookin" is such a technical term 21:56 RealBadAngel im not friggin englishman 21:56 NekoGloop neither am i 21:56 NekoGloop I'm american! 21:56 RealBadAngel im polish demoscene coder 21:56 NekoGloop but people talking/spelling like that ticks me off to no en 21:56 NekoGloop end* 21:56 RealBadAngel you would like to taste it? 21:57 NekoGloop taste what...? 21:57 RealBadAngel the demoescene language 21:57 RealBadAngel born with assembler 21:57 NekoGloop nah xD 21:58 RealBadAngel when we made an effect 21:58 RealBadAngel a scroll 21:58 RealBadAngel it was calculated to every tact of the processor 21:58 VanessaE every cycle.. 21:58 RealBadAngel we were sitting with tables, books 21:59 RealBadAngel to make the code faster and more efficient 21:59 Mikeonline n8 21:59 RealBadAngel there were no talkin buy better hardware 22:00 RealBadAngel just make ur code faster 22:00 RealBadAngel each jump, each loop was eliminated 22:02 RealBadAngel even tricks to store calculations results as arguments for functions to come 22:02 RealBadAngel we were creatin the code 22:03 RealBadAngel now its all gone to shit 22:03 RealBadAngel all this art 22:04 RealBadAngel too slow? buy better pc 22:05 NekoGloop we need endermen-*brick'd* 22:05 * VanessaE throws a brick at NekoGloop 22:05 RealBadAngel damn 22:05 NekoGloop whaT? 22:06 RealBadAngel i think i shall shut up and just code 22:06 M13Coder OFF-TOPIC does anyone know a music download program 22:06 VanessaE yeah, ITunes Music Store. 22:06 NekoGloop realbadangel: yes, go do that. and I shall applaud your API. Now please do a full api? :3 22:07 RealBadAngel thexyz, sorry for sharp words. 22:07 RealBadAngel i hope you dont mind 22:08 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, im half done with machines 22:08 NekoGloop sweet 22:09 RealBadAngel i will release it propably tommorow 22:09 RealBadAngel i dont know why i get into this fight with c55 and xyz 22:09 NekoGloop I've almost got full wallmounted screwdriver support 22:10 RealBadAngel i guess i got tired with all those lua errors 22:10 NekoGloop huh? 22:10 NekoGloop where's the param2 setting within sonic screwdriver code? 22:11 RealBadAngel taken from node 22:11 NekoGloop oh i found it 22:11 RealBadAngel renamed 22:12 RealBadAngel thats is also pain in the ass 22:12 RealBadAngel its not enough to say pos1=pos 22:12 RealBadAngel you have to say its gonna be table 22:13 RealBadAngel and rename all the variables in the table 22:13 RealBadAngel fucikng sick 22:13 thexyz well 22:13 NekoGloop ok my wallmounted support is being test drove now 22:14 RealBadAngel well :) 22:14 NekoGloop should also make the screwdriver not be damaged by hitting nodes without facedir or wallmounted 22:14 thexyz that depends on whether you need copy of table or reference to the same table 22:14 RealBadAngel thexyz, plz plz try to understand learnin lua is frustrating 22:15 thexyz learning any_language by coding things you don't know how to work is always frustrating 22:15 RealBadAngel and has nothin to do with strict assebler code and c++ 22:15 thexyz because they usually do work not how you want them to work 22:15 RealBadAngel well 22:15 RealBadAngel lua is full of suprises then 22:16 thexyz any language is full of surprises if you don't know it 22:16 RealBadAngel but you know 22:16 thexyz even english or russian 22:16 thexyz it seems you don't 22:16 RealBadAngel assembler is not an easy language 22:16 thexyz why are you so surprised about copying tables? 22:17 thexyz if you say you know it 22:17 RealBadAngel that was the 1st one i learned 22:17 thexyz then what? 22:18 RealBadAngel c++ 22:18 thexyz how is that related? 22:18 RealBadAngel c++ to assebler? 22:18 RealBadAngel theyre close 22:18 thexyz c++ or assembler to lua 22:18 thexyz those languages are completly different 22:18 RealBadAngel same disciplin 22:19 RealBadAngel lua is soewhat different 22:19 thexyz nothing similar 22:19 RealBadAngel allowing irrational bahaviours 22:19 thexyz no 22:19 thexyz it works how it should work 22:20 NekoGloop ok who wants my full wallmounted support for screwdrivers? 22:20 thexyz and if you don't know how it should work (because you're too lazy to read some clever book) it's your problem 22:20 thexyz not language problem 22:20 thexyz anyway, sleep() right now 22:21 RealBadAngel thexyz, propably. but you should provide such books. so we could all learn 22:22 RealBadAngel when the book is incomplete thats not our fault 22:22 RealBadAngel and you shall not say: fix it 22:23 NekoGloop and i also made the wear/power of the screwdriver not drop when using it on a non param2 node 22:23 NekoGloop you want it, realbadangel? 22:23 RealBadAngel make a branch 22:23 RealBadAngel push it 22:26 NekoGloop how about pastebin? :l 22:28 RealBadAngel make github branch 22:29 NekoGloop no 22:31 NekoGloop pastebin or you dont get it 22:35 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/R8N3Fc4B @ realbadangel 22:38 NekoGloop I've done my magic for today 22:41 RealBadAngel damn, you messed it 22:41 RealBadAngel cant you just register on github? 22:41 NekoGloop i am registered on github 22:42 NekoGloop I'm too lazy to push though 22:42 RealBadAngel lazy bastard 22:42 NekoGloop github for windows is shit 22:42 RealBadAngel hey i said it again 22:42 RealBadAngel hehehe 22:42 NekoGloop well it's true xD 22:43 VanessaE ... 22:43 NekoGloop what? 22:43 * VanessaE stifles pro anything-but-windows comments 22:43 RealBadAngel at least one lazy bastard that admits is the one 22:43 NekoGloop well get the code on git 22:44 NekoGloop it works wonderfully 22:44 RealBadAngel bookmarked it 22:44 RealBadAngel willl try it in the mornin 22:44 NekoGloop it expires in a day 22:44 RealBadAngel ok? 22:44 NekoGloop just warnin you 22:45 NekoGloop you only have 24 hours 22:45 RealBadAngel got 11hrs15min to do so then 22:45 RealBadAngel opps 22:45 RealBadAngel 23hrs15min 22:46 NekoGloop xD 22:46 RealBadAngel its 15 min after midnight here 22:46 NekoGloop cool 22:46 RealBadAngel 45 22:46 VanessaE simple solution: copy&paste into an editor 22:47 NekoGloop yup 22:47 RealBadAngel now im gonna play a bit with deployer 22:47 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/RhLJ83k8 22:47 VanessaE there, now it's expiration-proof :D 22:47 RealBadAngel then will wake up 6am 22:47 NekoGloop dammit 22:47 NekoGloop i chose a expiration time for a reason 22:48 RealBadAngel ok 22:48 RealBadAngel hold on 22:48 RealBadAngel tryin sonic one 22:49 NekoGloop heh 22:50 NekoGloop wallmounted nodes should rotate thru all 6 face directions and non-param2 nodes shouldnt harm the screwdriver 22:50 RealBadAngel runnin 22:50 RealBadAngel will test 22:52 RealBadAngel yeah 22:52 RealBadAngel works 22:52 NekoGloop ofc it does 22:52 RealBadAngel good work you lazy bastard lame 22:52 NekoGloop I test things before telling someone to use it, unlike OTHER people... 22:52 * NekoGloop looks over at celeron 22:53 RealBadAngel and you pushed me yesterdey? 22:53 RealBadAngel you LAME 22:53 RealBadAngel hehehhe 22:53 NekoGloop but you actually get it to work 22:54 RealBadAngel according to xyz and c55 i am one of worst lames here propably 22:54 NekoGloop no you arent 22:54 RealBadAngel so i dont know if you should even read my code 22:54 RealBadAngel for sake of your sanity 22:55 NekoGloop I'm already insane so I've got nothing to lose 22:55 RealBadAngel well, then oke 22:55 RealBadAngel insane should stick together i think 22:57 RealBadAngel got ftp client? 22:57 NekoGloop no idea what that is 22:58 * VanessaE looks around 22:58 RealBadAngel answer again 22:58 VanessaE insane? someone call? :) 22:58 RealBadAngel hehhee 22:59 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, wanted to make ftp acc on my server for ya 22:59 RealBadAngel but if you dont know whats that... 23:00 NekoGloop I've done enothough magic for today 23:00 VanessaE ah, speaking of the insane 23:00 VanessaE evening cornernote 23:00 NekoGloop going on ipad now 23:00 cornernote forum dead ? 23:00 cornernote hi 23:00 cornernote no, its alive again 23:00 RealBadAngel hi upside downer 23:00 VanessaE seems ok to me 23:01 cornernote i was getting out of memory errors 23:01 RealBadAngel still parking your car over the tree? :) 23:02 NekoGloop Wb nekogloop 23:02 RealBadAngel lol 23:04 NekoGloop Anyway, what were your plans for laser screwdriver? 23:04 RealBadAngel nil 23:05 NekoGloop "for the laser ive got plans already" pasted from irc app's logs 23:06 RealBadAngel invalid argument #-2 to screvdriver, string expected, got nil 23:07 RealBadAngel yeah 23:07 NekoGloop There cant be a negative second arguemne 23:07 RealBadAngel i think for different modes for laser 23:07 RealBadAngel vertical, horizontals shots 23:07 RealBadAngel long ranges 23:07 RealBadAngel explosive 23:08 RealBadAngel but nothin close to screwdriver 23:09 NekoGloop I mean the master's screwdriver 23:09 NekoGloop From dr.who? 23:09 NekoGloop Master has a laser screwdriver 23:09 RealBadAngel whats that shit gonna be? 23:10 RealBadAngel shoot and boom? 23:10 NekoGloop Maybe sonic + more capacity 23:10 NekoGloop Sometimes the simplest things are best 23:10 RealBadAngel dunno 23:10 RealBadAngel lemme finish the damn tubes first 23:11 NekoGloop xD 23:11 NekoGloop Ok 23:11 RealBadAngel im sick with them since 2 weeks 23:11 RealBadAngel or even more 23:11 NekoGloop Well i have no idea what to say. 23:12 RealBadAngel whenever i try to push them further i encounter another lua problem 23:14 RealBadAngel i know i become a little mad today 23:14 * NekoGloop gives realbadangel a slice of cake 23:14 RealBadAngel but i think its just about time for c55 to realize whole api doc is worth shit 23:15 RealBadAngel well maybe not whole 23:15 RealBadAngel but anytime you look for something 23:16 RealBadAngel its good to find a function 23:16 RealBadAngel sure 23:16 RealBadAngel but then youre stuck with how it works 23:17 NekoGloop That's why you copypasta other code and modify it till you know what the fuck the functions do 23:18 RealBadAngel how else could i learn? 23:19 NekoGloop Magical little elves 23:19 NekoGloop C55 has admitted he himself has no idea how the api works 23:19 RealBadAngel dwarves in my case 23:20 VanessaE NekoGloop: [citation needed] 23:20 RealBadAngel my mod is next to the most complex i ithink 23:20 NekoGloop Look at the logs 23:20 RealBadAngel but i started many many months after Jeija 23:21 RealBadAngel now im at stage cleaning the code 23:21 RealBadAngel after what i learned 23:22 RealBadAngel and still found myself idiot 23:22 RealBadAngel even with simplest tasks 23:23 NekoGloop I know, lua cant add for shit 23:24 guest33454583 you guys talking about lua 23:24 RealBadAngel no shit 23:24 RealBadAngel ;) 23:25 VanessaE guest33454583: yes. Lua is the modding language in Minetest 23:25 guest33454583 i know. also its easy language 23:25 guest33454583 just read pil 23:26 RealBadAngel ha ha ha 23:26 RealBadAngel laughed the queen and felt dead 23:28 VanessaE heh 23:28 RealBadAngel dont wake up the queen, shes dead 23:28 RealBadAngel joke was too deadly 23:29 VanessaE didn't even get the joke :-) 23:29 RealBadAngel ok ill repeat it 23:30 RealBadAngel LUA is nice and simple 23:30 RealBadAngel alll the queens around are asked to lye down and not to move a finger 23:30 NekoGloop I am not amused 23:31 VanessaE We don't know what to be amused about 23:31 RealBadAngel not a finger i asked ;) 23:33 NekoGloop Oh wait i did it wrong 23:33 NekoGloop I am not amused 23:34 RealBadAngel as fair as i know she is the one queen that not have to care bout it 23:35 ReckonMan nekogloop stop trying to troll your not good at it thanks 23:35 RealBadAngel hehhee 23:35 NekoGloop I'm trolling? This is news to me. 23:36 KeeganCoder good 23:36 KeeganCoder job 23:36 LAD Reckon PM me 23:36 RealBadAngel what? 23:36 KeeganCoder ? 23:36 KeeganCoder :) 23:36 ReckonMan kk lad 23:37 RealBadAngel discovered some LUA secret? 23:38 RealBadAngel dont be happy then 23:38 KeeganCoder :) 23:38 KeeganCoder me? 23:38 RealBadAngel she will kick you in the butt on the next turn 23:39 KeeganCoder me? 23:39 khonkhortisan no, me. I made a crossed insulated wire, only to find out that it powers itself when looped back 23:39 KeeganCoder oh 23:39 RealBadAngel heheh 23:39 KeeganCoder what do you guys do when your bored 23:40 khonkhortisan talk on irc 23:40 RealBadAngel arguin with gods 23:40 cornernote_ make minetest mods 23:40 KeeganCoder now one will talk to me 23:43 cornernote i updated my GameWiki - http://cornernote.net/minetest/wiki/ 23:43 cornernote now supports items in multi-group recipies 23:43 cornernote like wool 23:43 cornernote http://cornernote.net/minetest/wiki/item.php?name=wool:red 23:44 OWNSyouAll Is there a way to get the ip address of a player when they join? 23:44 cornernote wool:red = group:dye,basecolor_red + wool:white 23:44 ReckonMan alt+f4 23:44 cornernote click the group link, and it shows the items in group:dye,basecolor_red 23:46 cornernote alt+f4 <-- some people are just rude CSMFs 23:47 khonkhortisan conventional single-mode-fiber? 23:47 khonkhortisan oh. Took me a while to find your definition. 23:47 KeeganCoder HELLO NEW PERSON 23:48 khonkhortisan NEW PERSON says hello 23:48 KeeganCoder Ping reply from CIA-124: 148.61 second(s) 23:48 KeeganCoder :) 23:48 KeeganCoder how do i make people freeze there IRC? 23:48 khonkhortisan dos 23:48 KeeganCoder boring :/ 23:48 VanessaE you don't 23:48 KeeganCoder Ping reply from CIA-124: 303.46 second(s)