Time Nick Message 00:15 VanessaE wrong button, keegan? :-) 00:16 Keegann no hadbto change to iPod touch 00:16 VanessaE oh ok 00:16 ecube lol 00:16 VanessaE I just can't imagine trying to chat via a device that tiny 00:16 ecube I tried it once 00:16 Keegann it's ok 00:17 ecube it's actually ok, but it lags my iphone like crazy 00:17 ecube after a few minutes 00:17 VanessaE my fat fingers and bad eyes wouldn't tolerate it :) 00:17 ecube Is sapling growth handled by the lua api? 00:17 NekoGloop No, not that i know of. 00:17 VanessaE not sure 00:18 NekoGloop In 0.4.3 windows release it's handled by c++ anyway 00:18 ecube >.< 00:19 ecube a server had griefing problems caused by the fact that when saplings grow, the leaf blocks and tree blocks replace whatever block was there 00:19 ecube so if you put a sapling under some cloud blocks, you can destroy the cloud blocks 00:20 VanessaE ecube: you don't run a server anymore, do you? 00:20 ecube not anymore 00:20 VanessaE oh ok 00:20 ecube but my clan has a server running on a vps, which is better 00:21 ecube btw, if you press E while under yo uis grass and you're on a ladder, it produces an interesting sound effect 00:21 ecube in 0.4.1 stable, anyways 00:21 NekoGloop 0.4.3 is next stable 00:21 NekoGloop You need to upgrade 00:22 ecube it's orbitaldecay's server 00:22 NekoGloop Then tell him/her to upgrade 00:23 ecube done 00:24 VanessaE tell him to make sure he always has plenty of disk space to spare also :) 00:24 VanessaE the server gets...messy... when disk space runs out 00:24 ecube done 00:24 ecube lol, what happens to it? 00:24 VanessaE seen redcrab.suret.net:30401 lately? 00:24 VanessaE the map's trashed 00:24 ecube no 00:25 VanessaE the entire spawn area, wiped off the map 00:25 ecube can't be worse than what happened to my first server map 00:25 ecube the entire map started regenerating 00:25 VanessaE some of it's been rebuilt; Skyward City has been taken over by dirt in weird patterns ao... 00:26 VanessaE yes, that's what happened to redcrabn 00:26 ecube ah 00:26 VanessaE the map started re-generating - live 00:26 ecube lol, same 00:26 ecube I can't connect to it though 00:26 VanessaE yeah, it's down right now 00:26 VanessaE not sure of the cause. 00:26 VanessaE (I assume the damage has become critical) 00:28 NekoGloop The map may have regenerated completely, which depending on how many blocks/chunks/w.e are active, the server will just die 00:29 ecube When that happened to me, I just w/e saved undamaged parts of the map and copied them to a new world, it seemed to be safe after that ._. 00:29 ecube so I assume there are more than a few causes for it 00:30 VanessaE http://minetestbb.suret.net/w01.png 00:30 VanessaE to me, this looks outright corrupted. 00:30 NekoGloop To me, that looks like an epic seed 00:30 VanessaE it is :-) 00:31 NekoGloop Tell me the seed nao! :D 00:31 ecube Also, if you change the seed after you start the world, the entire thing regenerates 00:31 NekoGloop I know 00:31 VanessaE If I knew the seed, I would :-) 00:31 NekoGloop Its awesome, but only if you have all items in your inventory xD 00:32 VanessaE next time I sign on I'll try to make a note of the seed 00:32 hmmmm do you guys actually like how unlevel the map is? 00:32 hmmmm and how oceany everything comes out 00:32 hmmmm lakey rather 00:33 ecube The oceans seem a bit tiny 00:33 VanessaE well actually sometimes I'd prefer the mountains/cliffs to be less steep 00:33 VanessaE but that aside yeah I'm fine with it 00:33 ecube NO. THEY'RE FINE THE WAY THEY ARE. <3 00:33 ecube sory for caps 00:33 * VanessaE rips ecube 00:33 VanessaE d'oh! 00:33 hmmmm i'm going to make a preview for a map seed 00:33 * VanessaE rips ecube's aps-lock key off and throws it away 00:34 VanessaE hmmmm: PLEASE! 00:34 VanessaE that's a needed feature 00:34 hmmmm definitely 00:34 VanessaE fuck even Micropolis has that 00:34 NekoGloop You arent on osu!Bancho, no need for apologizing for caps-ing 00:39 ecube VanessaE: even if you rip it off, I can still press the little suction cup thing under it to turn it on :P 00:39 NekoGloop Or use shift 00:39 NekoGloop Or on screen keyboard 00:39 ecube I actually used shift 00:40 VanessaE protip: when re-positioning one of your speakers, make sure it isn't tangled around the modem's power cord. 00:41 NekoGloop Lol 00:41 NekoGloop My speakers can recieve radio signals if the computer is off 00:41 NekoGloop That's how old they are 00:42 VanessaE mine do that too if my cell phone is too close or someone with a powerful transmitter (CB or whatever) gets close to the house 01:17 M13Coder_ hey how do you like my new name 01:19 VanessaE *shrug* it's ok I guess :) 01:20 M13Coder_ u know who this is 01:20 VanessaE madchicken of course. 01:20 M13Coder_ no! 01:20 M13Coder_ it's Keegann 01:20 VanessaE oh 01:30 VanessaE hey wow 01:31 wowiamdiamonds hi ^^ 01:31 VanessaE 'bout time the night crowd started showing up 01:31 VanessaE :) 01:31 wowiamdiamonds i haven't been here in forever :( 01:31 VanessaE I noticed 01:31 VanessaE why? 01:31 wowiamdiamonds school 01:31 VanessaE ah yes 01:31 VanessaE the 's' word. 01:32 wowiamdiamonds ha 01:32 wowiamdiamonds oh question: is it possible to make a mod that disables crafting recipes in another mod? 01:33 NekoGloop No 01:33 ArchZombie What is the current stable version of Minetest? 01:33 ArchZombie ._. 01:33 ArchZombie I keep trying 4.1 and 4.3 and it doesn't work 01:33 NekoGloop 0.4 01:33 VanessaE wait 01:34 VanessaE pet peeve: did you actually look at the version number of the game? 01:34 ArchZombie ah, 4.4, lol 01:34 VanessaE look again 01:34 ArchZombie I had tried 4.4, but it didn't work 01:34 VanessaE 0.4 01:34 ArchZombie I must have typoed. 01:34 NekoGloop Look at the fucking number 01:34 VanessaE always with a leading zero 01:35 VanessaE always always always. 01:36 VanessaE wowiamdiamonds: so I trust you'll hang around a little more now? ;-) 01:36 M13Coder Hello 01:37 VanessaE M13Coder: better you should stick to "Keegan". 01:37 M13Coder why 01:37 VanessaE because ubuntunerd already uses "M13", it's confusing to have two. 01:38 wowiamdiamonds yeah i'm staying here for a while 01:38 VanessaE wowiamdiamonds: cool. 01:38 * VanessaE hands wowiamdiamonds one of NekoGloop's cookies 01:38 VanessaE ;) 01:38 M13Coder ok and ur problem is 01:38 wowiamdiamonds :D 01:38 NekoGloop Random hl is random 01:39 * VanessaE randomly highlights NekoGloop just for shits and grins :) 01:39 NekoGloop shits and giggles* 01:39 VanessaE M13Coder: it's confusing. 01:39 NekoGloop FTFY 01:39 VanessaE shits and grins* 01:39 VanessaE UFTFM. 01:39 M13Coder abd I care y 01:39 VanessaE (I grew up with that phrase thanks :) ) 01:39 M13Coder and 01:40 VanessaE M13Coder: it's basic etiquette to avoid confusion if there's an easy way to do so. 01:40 M13Coder doesn't bother me 01:41 VanessaE M13Coder: it's something all of us were taught growing up - observe basic etiquette. It makes you more presentable and helps avoid people disliking you. 01:43 OldCoder VanessaE, PM 01:51 M13Coder good night 01:51 VanessaE night 01:51 MuadTralk good morning 01:51 MuadTralk :D 01:52 NekoGloop Morning? Lol 01:52 VanessaE good morning 01:55 ecube rofl 02:05 VanessaE *looks at clock* 02:06 VanessaE now that you mention it... it ain't morning yet ;) 02:06 NekoGloop Lol 02:06 VanessaE (guess I'm a little slow tonight) 02:06 NekoGloop No, you havent been up -that- long 02:06 VanessaE hah! 02:06 VanessaE I've been up off and on since 5:30am :-) 02:06 VanessaE (it's 10:06pm now) 02:07 NekoGloop I know because we're in the same time zone 02:08 MuadTralk as am I 02:09 MuadTralk EST yes? no? 02:09 NekoGloop Idk, i dont keep track of that xD 02:13 VanessaE yeah, ESY 02:13 VanessaE EST 02:13 VanessaE anything outside of EST doesn't matter anyway ;) 02:13 VanessaE so it's still evening dammit :) 02:13 khonkhortisan it's not night yet 02:20 NekoGloop Its mornin 02:20 NekoGloop Your clock be wrong 02:21 NekoGloop 02:21 MuadTralk no its 42:00 02:22 khonkhortisan clock overflow error 02:23 NekoGloop Some exception: local variable os.time is too fucking large. Fix it. 02:29 cy1 anyone want to try my server? I want to test if it works OK and see if people can build on it. 02:29 NekoGloop The hunger games one? 02:29 cy1 No, that's uh I forget whose 02:30 cy1 Mine is verge.info.tm port 6989 02:30 NekoGloop Ah 02:30 khonkhortisan the one with the giant cube, you can't miss it 02:30 cy1 hahaha 02:30 cy1 I got all the waterways cleared up on that khonkhortisan. looks awesome. 02:30 NekoGloop Sorry, just know that some people use two names for irc and forums 02:30 NekoGloop People like me 02:30 cy1 no problem 02:31 cy1 this is my non-anon identity so I'm sort of promiscuous w/ it 02:31 NekoGloop I'm gloopmaster on the fourms 02:34 cy1 <3 02:34 cy1 Yes I saw your mod. Nice stoof. 02:34 cy1 well, that red stuff is too nerfed but asides that 02:41 NekoGloop Kalite? 02:41 NekoGloop Tooltips exist for a reason ^^' 02:42 NekoGloop If its too nerfed in your opinion, well should i make it be smeltable? Then the ingots restore 2 full hearts or somehting? 02:48 NekoGloop Pet peeve: DO NOT CALL KALITE REDSTONE!!!!!!!! 02:52 khonkhortisan redstone should connect to mesecons 02:52 cy1 huh, smeltable might work. 02:52 cy1 meat/cooked meat etc 02:53 NekoGloop Well as far as meat goes, we either need some kind of alchemy or working mobs lol 02:53 NekoGloop But yeah, i was contemplating kalite ingots 02:55 khonkhortisan if you make anything ingots, PLEASE make blocks. cobber bugs me. 02:55 NekoGloop Lol 02:55 NekoGloop Well currently all gloopores that make ingots make blocks (i think) 02:57 cy1 apples restore 2 hearts (4hp) so that wouldn't be particularly notable. 03:07 cy1 NekoGloop: an idea with mobs is to have some sort of food that keeps them from disappearing, then they can disappear. 03:07 cy1 but people can keep them 03:08 * VanessaE overloads cy1's server 03:11 * MuadTralk overloads pluto 03:12 * NekoGloop overloads freeno-*Server shutting down* 03:15 cy1 my server's fine~ 03:16 VanessaE says the guy whose big-assed Menger sponge kills the fps on my HD6870 video card :-) 03:17 cy1 yeah, that's all client side 03:17 cy1 generating the sponge and filling it w/ water, now that killed the server 03:24 khonkhortisan cy1: this is what I'm going off of: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Sierpinski_triangle_evolution_square.svg/680px-Sierpinski_triangle_evolution_square.svg.png 03:24 cy1 khonkhortisan: if you look at a regular tetrahedron, that 90 angle doesn't happen. 03:24 cy1 question is how to tilt the top 3 sides right 03:24 NekoGloop 4th image: OMG THE TRIFORCE 03:33 khonkhortisan trying to build it in 3d on cy's server 03:39 * VanessaE fades 03:41 * NekoGloop splashs some more paint 03:44 cy1 NekoGloop: 3rd iteration is the triforce, actually. 03:44 cy1 but that representation is in squares, so... 03:44 khonkhortisan I'm only second iteration so far 03:44 cy1 it doesn't look square. 03:44 NekoGloop Oh w.e 03:46 NekoGloop What exactly is this for? 03:46 cy1 khonkhortisan: http://www.fractal-explorer.com/minecraftpyramide.html might offer some helpful advice... 03:47 cy1 NekoGloop: we're trying to bog down my server with worldedit again :p 03:47 NekoGloop Lol 03:47 khonkhortisan weird. It uses regular-size cubes and is even more lopsided than mine. 03:47 khonkhortisan Oh, they used all three planes. I'm only using one plane. 03:48 NekoGloop One plane? 03:48 NekoGloop Oh nvm 03:48 NekoGloop Ignore that 03:48 cy1 NekoGloop: http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/chaos-game/sierp-det.GIF triforce :3 03:49 NekoGloop The last one is the triforce of triforces of triforces 03:51 NekoGloop Literally 03:51 NekoGloop It is 03:51 NekoGloop :D 03:53 wowiamdiamonds no, it's the triforce of triforces of triforces of triforces 03:54 VanessaE wtf is triforce anyway? 03:55 khonkhortisan there. Now it's showable. 03:56 VanessaE screenshot? :-) 03:56 khonkhortisan it's nighttime 03:57 NekoGloop /time 6000 03:57 khonkhortisan it looks better than the minecraft one 03:57 VanessaE I *assume* you used plenty of stairs/inverted stairs :-) 03:58 NekoGloop VanessaE: Triforce is triangle made from three smaller triangles of equal size, with an upside down triangle in the center 03:58 khonkhortisan nope, 2x2 blocks, it's not climbable 03:59 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I meant to make the contours/angles a little smoother 03:59 khonkhortisan triforce is iteration 2 03:59 VanessaE stairs/slabs/wall slabs/etc 03:59 khonkhortisan oh yeah, there's corner stairs, aren't there? 03:59 VanessaE I think calinou just added them 03:59 NekoGloop Yes, in latest stairsplus 03:59 NekoGloop Crafting is goofy though 04:00 khonkhortisan http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/7968339234/in/photostream/lightbox/ 04:00 NekoGloop That looks epic 04:01 VanessaE khonkhortisan: not bad 04:01 khonkhortisan I should move it over the water 04:04 khonkhortisan //move should also move the worldedit positions and entities 04:05 NekoGloop Meh 04:05 NekoGloop I like to be able to do an eraser effect 04:05 khonkhortisan ? 04:05 NekoGloop Moving air 04:05 NekoGloop Infinitely :D 04:06 hmmmm guys 04:06 khonkhortisan I'm saying the [1] and [2] should move with the nodes 04:06 VanessaE *raises eyebrow* 04:06 NekoGloop Yes 04:06 NekoGloop Oh derp 04:06 NekoGloop I get what you mean now 04:07 hmmmm what do you think if having rivers and islands was mutually exclusive for the most part 04:07 khonkhortisan /move x 1 //move x -1 will end up where you started 04:07 khonkhortisan why? Islands could be in the ocean and rivers could be in the mountainous mainland leading to the ocean 04:08 hmmmm that's why i said for the most part 04:08 NekoGloop He means islands in rivers 04:08 hmmmm for my preset idea i'm going to have "mountains", "rivers", "flatlands", "coastline", "archepalago", and so on 04:08 hmmmm I mean rivers in islands 04:08 VanessaE sounds like a nice idea 04:09 NekoGloop Oh 04:09 khonkhortisan I'm high in the air and Cy is on the ground. If I move forward, Cy moves under a tree. If I move backward, Cy moves out from under the tree, and down a level. It's not putting the name in the right place. 04:09 VanessaE especially if you spawn the river water as "flowing" 04:09 hmmmm as it is right now it can be said that minetest maps are really just a big bunch of islands very closely clustered together 04:09 NekoGloop Well i get islands in rivers 04:09 khonkhortisan nevermind, under the ground 04:09 khonkhortisan we don't have rivers yet, do we? 04:09 hmmmm no 04:09 VanessaE no 04:09 hmmmm i'm putting rivers in though 04:09 VanessaE not as such 04:10 hmmmm but it's going to be way more elegant 04:10 hmmmm not just "x was added in" 04:10 NekoGloop I think rivers can spawn, although not as cool looking as we want 04:10 khonkhortisan with river trenches? 04:10 hmmmm dungeons, desert biome, jungles, everything will be available for selection upon creating a new world 04:10 VanessaE *nice* 04:10 VanessaE that's how it should be 04:10 khonkhortisan that button that doesn't do anything 04:11 VanessaE use bas080's jungle trees for that biome - his are just plain EPIC. 04:11 NekoGloop The configure? 04:11 khonkhortisan yes 04:11 hmmmm sure 04:11 NekoGloop Configure world doesnt work because hmmmm hasnt coded it yet 04:11 VanessaE and my junglegrass because it's 6x better than what the game used to have :-) 04:11 hmmmm yeah 04:11 khonkhortisan Is there a node that is climbable like a ladder but still looks solid? 04:12 hmmmm basically the job i made for myself is to get that configure world button working :-) 04:12 hmmmm it'll be nice, i promise. 04:12 NekoGloop khonkhortisan: Solid and climbable dont work alongside each other 04:12 VanessaE hmmmm: please for G*d sakes let us enter/tweak/autogenerate the map seed before committing to the world :-) 04:12 hmmmm some other guy is working on the client block selection so i am not bothering with that 04:13 hmmmm i'll submit my patch for game.cpp too while i'm at it 04:14 VanessaE what's that one do? 04:14 VanessaE (I forgot) 04:14 khonkhortisan oh the positions do move, the entities just disappear. 04:15 khonkhortisan I think? 04:15 khonkhortisan nope. 04:16 khonkhortisan cy1, I spot surface diamonds 04:16 NekoGloop Lol 04:16 hmmmm you see 04:16 cy1 khonkhortisan: yes those totally randomly just appeared 04:16 khonkhortisan the desert stone doesn't have any desert sand on it 04:17 hmmmm this time instead of just modifying minetest, i'm going to test my generation algorithms by plotting pixels on an image 04:17 hmmmm ought to be way, way faster 04:17 NekoGloop Because that's a plateau, khonkhortisan 04:17 khonkhortisan mountain, it's curved on the way up 04:17 VanessaE hmmmm: which in turn would lead to something everyone's been clamoring for 04:17 VanessaE the possibility of an in-game nap 04:17 khonkhortisan and it goes above the clouds! 04:17 VanessaE map* 04:17 hmmmm oh yes 04:17 cy1 not sure what the deal is khonkhortisan I think desert sand doesn't go that high or something. 04:17 cy1 and yes <3 04:17 hmmmm also i have to add an option to set the cloud height 04:17 VanessaE (if you write the code for one, you automatically have the code for the other anyway) 04:18 hmmmm that's on the agenda 04:18 VanessaE oh yes. clouds are too low 04:18 hmmmm vanessae, the instant map preview? yea 04:18 khonkhortisan minetest's everest 04:18 khonkhortisan complete with a false peak 04:18 NekoGloop Gimme seed and coords 04:18 hmmmm if it's possible, i'll have clouds surround the peaks of mountains 04:18 hmmmm that might be tough though 04:18 VanessaE hmmmm: oohh I like that 04:18 hmmmm and that's like #4 on the priority list 04:18 khonkhortisan (-260.7, 188.5, 193.6) (seed = 666) 04:19 VanessaE hmmmm: another one: please let us texture the sky - more specifically the SUN and MOON 04:19 cy1 khonkhortisan: I tried adding snow again, but it was just too slow. 04:19 hmmmm you can't modify the skybox? 04:19 VanessaE no 04:19 VanessaE not since 0.4 04:19 hmmmm now there's a regression 04:19 VanessaE it's all generated algorithmically now 04:19 khonkhortisan I like it up here 04:19 hmmmm right 04:19 hmmmm that's #5 on the priority list though 04:20 hmmmm don't expect it soon 04:20 hmmmm i have school as well 04:20 VanessaE c55 said texturing the sun would be non-trivial because of the color progressions it goes through during the first and last hours of the day 04:20 hmmmm that is true 04:20 VanessaE I figured just shift the hue and brightness over time 04:20 VanessaE desaturate, brighten as 7 or 8 am approaches 04:20 NekoGloop Anyway, i have to go to bed now 04:21 NekoGloop Its waaaay too late for me xD 04:21 VanessaE NekoGloop: nooooooooooo 04:21 NekoGloop Yessssssss 04:21 VanessaE hmmmm: these are basic functions of opengl, right? 04:22 khonkhortisan NekoGloop, that seed is bad, mapgen was rewritten 04:22 VanessaE (I don't know much about the innards of opengl applications) 04:22 hmmmm i don't think so, but it's not difficult to generate an RGB bitmap from HSV data to pass along as a texture 04:23 VanessaE oh ok 04:25 cy1 khonkhortisan: the epicmaps algorithm actually makes mountains a challenge to climb 04:25 khonkhortisan they're hard to climb anyway 04:25 VanessaE cy1: sounds like the old algorithm 04:26 cy1 well, more than 2 block steepness I mean. 04:26 VanessaE yep, seen that with the current mapgen 04:26 khonkhortisan yeah, I see stone, then a thin layer of dirt, repeating in one section 04:26 khonkhortisan and there's a single tree by itself on the layer of dirt 04:26 VanessaE especially if you unleash it on an old pre-0.4 world 04:26 VanessaE tall, cubic cliffs :-) 04:27 khonkhortisan because trees are laid by their horizontal distance, not by their surface distance 04:27 cy1 nah, not cliffs so much... 04:27 cy1 VanessaE: not sure. I just made it so it makes a logistic "high mountain low sea" terrain, and a "flat as heck" terrain then interpolates logistically between them, biased towards flat. 04:28 cy1 so the mountains are either really high or really deep, not much in the middle (though not entirely binary). And transitions between mountains and plains are while not instant, very abrupt. 04:28 cy1 at least, compared to the old one, where the only danger is falling into those holes that pop up. 04:29 VanessaE cy1: sounds good 04:29 VanessaE see, these are things the default game/engine needs 04:29 khonkhortisan seems simple enough: worldedit.pos1[name][axis] = worldedit.pos1[name][axis] + amount 04:29 VanessaE they can just be turned on/off with checkboxes in that configure menu 04:29 VanessaE options are always good if they make at least some sense and are well-organized 04:29 cy1 You actually need to build elevators to get to the topmost sections of these mountains <3 04:30 cy1 khonkhortisan: need to synchronize the actual 1 and 2 ClientCAO thingies... 04:30 VanessaE it's like the Anisotropic filter + mipmap build I use. I had to hard-code that stuff because I don't know how to write the code needed to put them into the menu 04:30 VanessaE (jin_xi figured out the actual Irrlicht settings) 04:30 khonkhortisan the luaentities, yes. I'll do that too. 04:31 VanessaE hmmmm: think you can take on that one also? lower priority than the other stuff of course 04:31 hmmmm i'm sure it'll be tough getting gui code added to the official repository because celeron has a very specific MVP-style for that 04:31 hmmmm eh sure 04:31 hmmmm why not 04:31 VanessaE hmmmm: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40417#p40417 04:31 VanessaE that's the specifics (see the first post for the couple of lines of code that does the work) 04:31 cy1 what's anisotropic and why do you use it? 04:32 VanessaE cy1: it combined with mip-map makes far away objects and oblique angles MUCH nicer 04:32 VanessaE no more moire patterns 04:32 cy1 ooh 04:32 cy1 I like moire patterns ;; 04:33 cy1 can't turn my minetest past 25 anyway, so don't get those far away objects at all. 04:33 VanessaE ah, well for me far away = about 50 or so 04:33 cy1 beautiful textures, btw <3 04:33 VanessaE (I keep my settings at 150) 04:33 khonkhortisan I got those patterns in lego creator because of the dots on the ground 04:34 VanessaE cy1: which, mine? 04:34 khonkhortisan that was easy. Four-line change. 04:35 VanessaE which? the code I just pointed to? 04:35 khonkhortisan no, allowing multiple //moves in worldedit 04:35 VanessaE oh ok 04:36 khonkhortisan Should I move the positions before moving the nodes OR move the nodes, move the positions, then say how many nodes I moved, OR should I say how many nodes were moved then move the positions? 04:36 khonkhortisan Right now I'm doing the second one. 04:38 cy1 khonkhortisan: I'd move the positions ASAP, but whatever. 04:38 cy1 think of it like a database transaction 04:38 cy1 indicate completion when it is complete 04:39 khonkhortisan Okay, so pos then node then tell or node then pos then tell? 04:39 VanessaE another thing worldedit could use is a progress bar/indicator 04:39 khonkhortisan another 'nother thing it could use is processing through globalstep so you can see the progress yourself and it doesn't slow the server to a halt 04:40 VanessaE have it do n = (number of nodes)/10, then every n nodes, print the percentavge completed 04:40 VanessaE useful for very large operations 04:40 VanessaE YES 04:40 khonkhortisan in a private message, if it has taken over x seconds in n step 04:40 VanessaE right 04:40 VanessaE no need to spam the console if the operation's only gonna take a few seconds 04:41 khonkhortisan the current desert transition looks better than my two-node texture transition 04:41 cy1 easy enough to do, just change it to CPS 04:41 khonkhortisan there isn't really enough dirt to have a dirt-stone transition 04:41 cy1 the current desert transition looks like a confusing checkerboard to me. 04:42 khonkhortisan it's better than a straight line 04:42 khonkhortisan add a bunch of plants, you can't even see it <-- optomistic thinking 04:42 cy1 ehe 04:42 khonkhortisan I'm sure sand and dirt have the same transition 04:47 VanessaE hmmmm: oh here's another one for you to look into: that recent smooth transitions between desert/beach/grass is too "noisy". 04:47 khonkhortisan Now to wait for Uberi… 04:48 hmmmm vanessa, the whole desert biome is done wrong 04:48 khonkhortisan Now you're not talking about how wide/narrow the transition is, but that it should have more of an even pattern / smooth gradient? 04:48 hmmmm nevermind making the transition smoother 04:48 VanessaE hmmmm: wrong how? 04:48 hmmmm the transition should be after a mountain 04:48 hmmmm deserts don't just randomly form in real life 04:48 VanessaE oh 04:49 VanessaE you mean rain shadow 04:49 hmmmm mountains high enough break the rain clouds so that's why deserts don't get much rain 04:49 hmmmm yea 04:49 hmmmm also if the desert started after a lot of rock then it'd look way more natural anyway 04:49 khonkhortisan caves are also a little unusual 04:50 hmmmm on a related note, i think the original sand texture should be used in place of the current one, and the current one should be used in place of the oversaturated orange sand 04:50 khonkhortisan mods should be exposed to cloud positions. 04:50 hmmmm i mean, come on, is minetest supposed to be taking place on mars? 04:51 VanessaE haha 04:51 VanessaE you're right, really 04:51 VanessaE the orange sand/red stone always confused me 04:51 khonkhortisan google desert, they are various levels of orange. Most less than that. 04:51 VanessaE but whatever 04:52 khonkhortisan ooh! http://road.easterndirt.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/desert.jpg 04:52 khonkhortisan we don't have that 04:52 hmmmm oh now there's a good idea 04:52 hmmmm randomly scattered within a desert biome should be areas of sandrock 04:54 VanessaE sandrock, you mean like the sandstone we have now? 04:54 ecube_ probably ugly desert stone 04:54 khonkhortisan no, dried out surface sand 04:54 VanessaE ah 04:54 VanessaE I get you 04:54 VanessaE (didn't associate the image with the comment) 04:55 hmmmm yeah, s/sandrock/sandstone/ 04:56 hmmmm i feel like sandstone is seriously underutilized 04:57 VanessaE *nod* 05:02 khonkhortisan and improperly recipied 05:03 cy1 sandstone should be layered under sand above desert stone, but that'd be too thick... 05:03 khonkhortisan that would be sedimentary layers, but I like dry patches 05:07 VanessaE cy1: +1 05:08 sfan5 VanessaE: what did cy1 say? 05:08 VanessaE [09-10 01:03] sandstone should be layered under sand above desert stone, but that'd be too thick... 05:08 cy1 you could make the dirt layer twice as thick, eh. 05:08 sfan5 +1, you can simply overwrite some desertstone 05:09 cy1 but I like desert stone... 05:09 cy1 it's pretty 05:30 VanessaE hmmmm: oh, don't forget to put in my modified nyancat - but call it "pastry cat" :-) 05:31 hmmmm that's purely a lua thing 05:31 hmmmm what's wrong with "NC"? 05:31 hmmmm if anyone asks what "NC" stands for, well, it's netcat 05:31 VanessaE nekogloop I think suggested making it bark on punch :-) 05:31 VanessaE doesn't it have a mouseover description/tooltip? 05:31 VanessaE I'm just trying to spite the original author since he's been an asshole about it :) 05:32 hmmmm i read those logs and it's not like he's a total dickwad 05:32 hmmmm i mean he could license it out for free to FOSS that's using it 05:33 VanessaE no, since I originally asked about properly licensing it, he's a dickwad. :-) 05:33 hmmmm he did get all offended 05:34 VanessaE yup, panties in a wad over 48x16 pixels. wtf ever :-) 05:34 mika__ VanessaE, why does the torch mess up the wool? 05:34 VanessaE mika__: I don't understand? can you show me a screenshot? 05:34 hmmmm vanessa, sorry to say this but you're the reason why this can of worms opened 05:35 hmmmm if you didn't email him about it then you would be able to deny you were aware of the issue 05:35 hmmmm he wouldn't be aware of it either 05:35 hmmmm so he'd have to send a DMCA takedown notice, at which point you call him out for being a dickwad and then give the fair use argument 05:36 VanessaE morning c55. 05:37 mika__ uploading pics 05:37 mika__ http://aijaa.com/FEZgCj 05:38 mika__ http://aijaa.com/fiYqVD 05:38 mika__ there is only 1 torch difference 05:38 VanessaE you mean that hole? 05:38 VanessaE beats me why it's doing that - works perfectly on my box anyway 05:38 mika__ yes, it shouldnt be there, i lose textures for wool in several places 05:39 VanessaE hmmmm: I guess so, but I figured someone needed to ask before it became a much larger problem. Besides, I took the initiative to provide a solution anyway 05:40 VanessaE mika__: that sounds like the texture atlas is bugging out, but then it should do that regardless of how many torches you place 05:43 mika__ ill upload a pic where it first appeared 05:44 mika__ http://aijaa.com/1ykAsU 05:44 mika__ that one is special, it needs torches but on the other side it can't handle them 05:48 VanessaE mika__: my only guess is your texture atlas is weirding out 05:48 VanessaE put this in your minetest.conf: enable_texture_atlas = false 05:50 VanessaE see if it helps :-) 05:50 mika__ that helped, thanks 05:50 VanessaE hmmmm: c55 mentioned once about just having the game auto-disable that if there's too much data to fit (textures being large in particular) 05:52 mika__ VanessaE, heres about 50 mods on tihs server, remember some other games messed up textures when just a few mods 05:53 VanessaE oh yes 05:53 VanessaE that'll cause the texture atlas to throw a shit fit :-) 05:54 mika__ and i dont know the truth but some say that the cart mod is one that causes lag and problems 05:55 VanessaE not sure, I've never used that one (pushable blocks, while buggy, didn't though) 05:55 VanessaE now, Animals, Jungle Trees, and 3dforniture will definitely. 05:55 mika__ furniture would be nice 05:55 VanessaE the latter two abuse the map generator, animals exposes some obscure bug in the game's timer or something 05:56 VanessaE oh, excuse me...it isn't animals now, it's "Mob Framework" or some such :-) 05:56 VanessaE (good idea to rename it though since it does more than just animals) 05:56 mika__ ok, i just made that half finished coutch in my cinema hole, where as now is my sega 05:56 VanessaE over there in that box with your old C64 ;) 05:56 VanessaE ---------> 05:58 mika__ )= i dont have a c64, thought of buying when my friend got his old windows dos laptop to convert T64 to D64 and can write directly with 1541 floppy drive 05:59 VanessaE I was kidding anyway :-) 05:59 VanessaE mika__: pm 06:01 VanessaE mika__: by the way, what kind of pick is that? 06:02 mika__ diamond and steel 06:02 VanessaE ah 06:05 mika__ i used to go down to my mine with silver pick and thought that i'll go up when my pick is gone, now its impossible 06:05 VanessaE time to build a stone one then 06:05 VanessaE I always keep a couple dozen extra cobble and shitloads of wood on hand 06:08 mika__ i have diamond and steel and sticks in the crafting table, easy to make new when old is gone, now i today had to make a new one again, and then i have several in chests scattered around, and then often when going to throw cobble away i throw my pick to the bottom of my mineshaft, should go look for them 06:08 VanessaE smart idea 06:08 VanessaE I've taken to using my crafting grid for extra storage whenever I've just got too much on hand but can't stop to store it 06:09 VanessaE if I have to craft something, I just drop some stuff, craft, then pick everything back up 06:39 VanessaE zzz 06:48 VanessaE night all, off to bed 06:48 iqualfragile haha 06:48 iqualfragile i just woke up 06:48 VanessaE morning iqualfragile :-) 06:48 iqualfragile good night vanessae 06:48 VanessaE night :) 06:57 mika__ iqualfragile, i'm already on my 3rd coffee cup for this day 06:58 iqualfragile as i said: i just woke up 06:58 mika__ i usually sleep this time but had to get up to get my brother to school 06:59 iqualfragile sound evil 06:59 mika__ evil would be if i woke him up at 6 when i woke up, i let him sleep to 7 07:01 iqualfragile why didnt you? 07:01 mika__ its hopeless 07:02 mika__ now it took 25 minutes to get him up from bed 07:03 iqualfragile jeah, some time ago i was just like that 07:05 iqualfragile uhm… whats borderstone? 07:46 Calinou hi :) 07:46 * Calinou is adding stuff to stairs+ 08:25 Calinou update's out 09:13 VanessaE ugh... why am I still up? :( 09:20 celeron55 TIL the 1.8 billion euro healthcare database whatever system that they are going to make in finland is going to be implemented using MUMPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS) 09:21 celeron55 by a company that has a track record of failed hugely expensive systems 09:21 VanessaE oh fun. not 09:21 celeron55 like, what the fuck are they thinking? 09:21 celeron55 even a dog would see it's a waste of money 09:21 VanessaE two words: crony capitalism :-/ 09:22 celeron55 then they have the balls to say "finland has no corruption" 09:25 VanessaE sounds like this country 09:25 celeron55 sounds like any country 09:25 VanessaE yeah 10:08 mika-afk celeron55, is it the same who made VR ticket online shop? 10:19 Kray MUMPS, lolwat 10:19 Kray the fuck is this shit 10:20 Kray suddenly Java seems good choice for implementing enterprice stuff 10:46 celeron55 mika-gone: yes 10:46 celeron55 Kray: true 8) 10:46 M13Coder hello 10:46 VanessaE morning keegan 10:47 VanessaE you're up early 10:47 M13Coder for school 10:47 VanessaE oh that's right, I keep forgetting it's that time of year 10:48 M13Coder yep 10:48 VanessaE am I ever glad I don't have to do *that* anymore 10:48 M13Coder lucky you 10:48 VanessaE heh, it's been 20 years for me :-) 10:49 celeron55 waking up monday mornings? 10:49 VanessaE celeron55: heh no, waking up for the purpose of going to grade school 10:49 celeron55 waking up for anything is seriously underrated 10:53 VanessaE I've never been much of a morning person anyway 10:55 M13Coder gotta go now. Im getting a new laptop today :) 10:56 VanessaE cool 10:56 celeron55 make sure to get one that has a GPU that loads new meshes fast 10:56 celeron55 otherwise minetest and minecraft run like shit 10:56 celeron55 8) 10:56 M13Coder yep 10:57 celeron55 as everybody knows, shit doesn't run particularly well! 10:57 * celeron55 imagines a running competition 10:57 VanessaE unless you take too many laxatives ;) 11:02 celeron55 (by the way, "loads meshes fast" mostly means intel sandy bridge chips suck) 11:05 celeron55 (it's a shame, because they achieve perfectly fine framerates otherwise) 11:09 VanessaE don't think I've ever actually used a machine with that chipset before 11:12 VanessaE guten morgen Jeija 11:12 celeron55 i bought one last winter 11:13 Jeija hi everyone 11:13 celeron55 it's the integrated GPU in all the i3, i5 and i7 CPUs from the past year or so 11:13 VanessaE Oh those - I remember reading something about them on slashdot some time ago. can't say I'm particularly fond of the idea 11:14 celeron55 well, i like the idea, but it could be way better 11:14 VanessaE (which is sad - if you can put a GPU on the same die as the CPU you'd think the performance would be phenomenal compared to a separate card) 11:14 celeron55 maybe ivy bridge is 11:14 celeron55 VanessaE: nah, it's so small 11:15 VanessaE good point 11:15 VanessaE I guess one doesn't just go around cramming a high-end thousands-of-cores GPU in there huh :-) 11:16 celeron55 also it's somewhat pointless to put too much performance in there because it will never be as fast as the discrete cards and would just sit doing nothing in player's computers 11:17 celeron55 unless general purpose GPU utilization becomes very common 11:17 celeron55 which... might be the case 11:17 VanessaE I dunno, it's looking like that might be the future 11:18 VanessaE I was reading recently of a supercomputer that's pretty much all GPUs to do the real work 11:18 celeron55 supercomputers have been all GPUs for a long time already 11:18 VanessaE I can't remember what the name of it was now, but I was actually kinda surprised 11:18 celeron55 (long time as in years) 11:18 VanessaE ah, guess I'm out of date on that :-) 11:18 VanessaE brb 11:19 celeron55 GPUs are quite useful in their bulk number crunching abilities 11:21 celeron55 useless on their own though 11:26 VanessaE right, so I've read. 11:28 VanessaE ok, I'm crashing 11:28 VanessaE time to go back to bed now 12:52 mika__ Celeron55, where did you find the news about the MUMPS to finland? 12:53 celeron55 there is this page https://www.facebook.com/notes/esa-heiskanen/muutama-ker%C3%A4tty-pointti-husn-potilastietoj%C3%A4rjestelm%C3%A4hankkeesta/10151281449745802siit%C3%A4%20tietoj%C3%A4rjestelm%C3%A4hankkeesta 12:55 mika__ Nice that they upgrade the systems, friend of mine worked on HP helpdesk and got wonders from HUS doctors that where to put USB stick 12:55 redcrab celeron55 : you fb page is in a language that I do not understand ... but NVM ... i guess I 'm not concerned by it ... :) 12:56 celeron55 well, mika__ asked my source, and that happens to be it 12:57 mika__ But one thing everyone seems to know is location of windows original card games =) 13:05 mika__ celeron55, is there a way to change button configuration? 13:06 celeron55 have you even searched for it? 8) 13:07 celeron55 (by the way, assuming you're finnish (which seems likely), you might want to join the IRCnet channel) 13:07 mika__ it's been quiet there 13:08 celeron55 lately kray set up a server mainly for the ohjelmointiputka people hanging in there and we played a good bunch of hours on saturday 13:08 mika__ ok 13:09 celeron55 but yes, mostly very quiet 13:09 mika__ It's like the picture on kuvaton, in coming generation the hardest thing to do is to find a nickname that aint already used 13:10 celeron55 that is true, altough i have no idea how it's related to anything 13:10 celeron55 :-D 13:10 mika__ im trying to ircnet 13:27 M13_ Celeron 13:27 M13_ hi 13:28 Calinou hi 13:54 NekoGloop Good mon 13:54 NekoGloop Meh. It's monday. 14:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 14:37 NekoGloop Finally, someone who can talk 14:37 PilzAdam who are you talking about? 14:37 NekoGloop You 14:38 NekoGloop The chat hasnt said anything since i showed up 14:38 PilzAdam you mean: "Finally, someone who can code" 14:38 NekoGloop No 14:38 NekoGloop Because you cant 14:38 * NekoGloop flees 14:53 PilzAdam I can 14:56 PilzAdam whats about the minetest letter? 14:56 NekoGloop I have no idea 15:02 mika__ hi 15:03 NekoGloop Hi 15:08 PilzAdam Hi jordach 15:09 jordach zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ 15:09 jordach i am sleepy 15:09 jordach i started my a-levels 15:09 * NekoGloop gives jordachsome coffee 15:09 * PilzAdam takes the coffe 15:09 * jordach coffee was in-effective 15:09 NekoGloop Meh. I'm tired too. 15:09 FreeFull I am tired too 15:09 NekoGloop It's monday 15:09 PilzAdam :-( 15:10 jordach btw 15:10 jordach i have some homework, and need to do 5 things on hardware, software and storage devices (tomorrow is binary, base 2) 15:11 NekoGloop Microcomputer applications? Lol 15:12 jordach https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ko1flKss7krBkpGNzbtoiYKqkmbqs6AQSLOzhtfWBU8/edit what im doing 15:13 PilzAdam i dont like google 15:14 PilzAdam this is very interesting: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/25cf3757b29a0397e201a4719788ead3dc76ec94 15:14 FreeFull jordach: 0 1 10 11 100 101 110 111 1000 and so on 15:14 jordach yes 15:19 jordach hello Calinou 15:20 PilzAdam anyone knows why c55 added this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/25cf3757b29a0397e201a4719788ead3dc76ec94 ? 15:22 Calinou hi 15:22 * Calinou reloads assault rifle 15:22 PilzAdam hi 15:23 iqualfragile pilzadam: wollen wir uns mal an die übersetzung des wiki-artikels setzen? 15:23 PilzAdam klar 15:24 Calinou PilzAdam, because it's fun to explode things? :D 15:24 PilzAdam i mean can i use this in my TNT mod? 15:27 iqualfragile i think you can 15:28 iqualfragile afaik the idea behind it is to drop the items 15:28 iqualfragile instead of filling up the inv 15:33 iqualfragile @wiki-editors is the content of the wiki stable so we can start translating it? 15:35 iqualfragile i will just assume it is 15:37 PilzAdam iqualfragile, VanessaE und andere schreiben gerade einene Brief an verschiedene game magazine um mehr reviews für belege zu bekommen 15:37 iqualfragile PilzAdam, sfan5: zu den Waffen: http://openetherpad.org/3ePG95vTf9 15:45 rubenwardy TheLastProject, are you infinity project? 15:45 TheLastProject rubenwardy: No clue who that is, so no, sorry :x 15:58 jordach rubenwardy, https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum/issues/1#issuecomment-8427741 16:04 rubenwardy ok jordach 16:11 jordach cisoun, last night i got apple trees working again 16:13 * VanessaE wanders in 16:13 VanessaE hi all 16:14 PilzAdam sup 16:14 VanessaE not much 16:15 VanessaE just got out of bed a little bit ago 16:15 jordach VanessaE, ive been up since 7am and im tired as HELL 16:15 jordach and my homework assignment isnt helping 16:16 VanessaE jordach: I got 2 hours sleep up until about 5:00 am, then went back to bed around 7:30 16:16 jordach ikr 16:16 mika__ and local time is? 16:16 VanessaE 12:16pm now 16:16 jordach -5 hours 16:17 jordach now 12:17pm 16:17 VanessaE last night was one of those nights where everything either hurts, itches, is subject of major fatigue, or just cna't get comfortablre 16:17 mika__ now 7:17pm 16:17 VanessaE -r' 16:18 iqualfragile 18:17 here 16:18 PilzAdam iqualfragile, +1 16:18 PilzAdam 18:18 16:19 iqualfragile arbeite mal weiter 16:19 PilzAdam mach ich aber an TNT 16:19 jordach iqualfragile, is french, PilzAdam is german (though, i think we know that) 16:20 iqualfragile IM NOT FRENCH 16:20 iqualfragile DONT EVER CALL ME FRENCH AGAIN! 16:20 PilzAdam +1 16:22 * VanessaE is just a random American schmuck :-) 16:22 jordach +1 is usually france 16:22 jordach i cant guess exactly 16:22 mika__ Finland 16:24 jordach ahh. 16:24 rubenwardy yes? 16:24 jordach nothing 16:25 Calinou :( 16:27 jordach why Calinou? 16:30 iqualfragile celeron55, everybody: minimum pc-specifications? 16:34 jordach pentium 4 with 1gb of ram 16:34 jordach or above 16:34 rubenwardy i thought it was 500mb of ram 16:35 * iqualfragile thinks about setting up a vm 16:35 iqualfragile when was minetest first released? 16:36 VanessaE brb 16:37 PilzAdam "It has been in development and use since October 2010. " 16:40 iqualfragile k 16:41 jordach rubenwardy, it can run on 256mb of ram 16:41 rubenwardy ok 16:41 jordach but really slowly 16:42 iqualfragile then lets choose a random value between 256 and 512 16:42 iqualfragile or we can just say its 256 because it sounds impressive and nobody is ever going to try 16:43 PilzAdam already did that ;-) 16:44 jordach Pilz...... 16:44 sfan5 lol 16:44 jordach *facepalm* 16:48 VanessaE back 16:48 VanessaE jordach: can it run in less? 16:49 VanessaE can it be made to run *well* in less? 16:49 iqualfragile vanessae: does not matter 16:50 iqualfragile jordach: can it run in less? 16:50 VanessaE well it matters because you don't wanna comne off as lying if some random user actually tries to run it 16:50 mika__ should i start digging old components from under the dust and test if it runs on the worst ever 16:51 jordach VanessaE, do me favor and moderate my server 16:51 jordach i wanna finish my homework 16:51 VanessaE no :) 16:51 VanessaE I can't right now 16:55 jordach nother one of the 184.144's 16:55 jordach freakin landmine 16:56 NekoGloop did i miss anything important? ;) 16:57 * jordach installs trashcan mod 16:58 iqualfragile jordach: i did that yesterday 16:58 iqualfragile i think… 16:58 iqualfragile i dont know anymore… 16:59 iqualfragile nekogloop: some germans from this channel are translating the article 16:59 PilzAdam NekoGloop, http://openetherpad.org/3ePG95vTf9 16:59 PilzAdam german translation for the wiki 16:59 PilzAdam *of 17:01 iqualfragile 75% done 17:14 NekoGloop meow 17:14 NekoGloop :3 17:18 NekoGloop 17:18 NekoGloop lol 17:19 mika__ is there any possibility of snow or ice? 17:19 NekoGloop snow mod 17:21 NekoGloop Calinou: latest stairsplus will be such a help with making my houses look fancier. thank you :D 17:21 khonkhortisan ^ newline 17:21 khonkhortisan aw it didn't work 17:21 NekoGloop lol 17:21 khonkhortisan > 17:21 khonkhortisan < newline 17:21 khonkhortisan there 17:21 NekoGloop hax! I call hax! 17:21 khonkhortisan it needs a character before the enter 17:22 khonkhortisan when I put it in it shows a box with 000A in it 17:22 NekoGloop hex value for newline 17:23 sfan5 ​ 17:23 sfan5 ​ 17:23 sfan5 ​ 17:23 sfan5 ​ 17:23 sfan5 ​ 17:23 sfan5 ​lol 17:23 NekoGloop OH GOD 17:23 NekoGloop xD 17:23 NekoGloop 17:24 khonkhortisan 17:24 khonkhortisan 17:24 sfan5 ​ 17:24 khonkhortisan space enter 17:24 sfan5 17:24 sfan5 no 17:24 NekoGloop spamfest be awesome 17:24 khonkhortisan it won't send unless I have something before the enter character 17:24 sfan5 i use "ZWS-Leerraum mit Breite null" 17:24 sfan5 its from unicode 17:24 NekoGloop the sense that made is nil 17:25 sfan5 the sentence is german 17:25 khonkhortisan it's not like anyone was saying anything important 17:25 NekoGloop i can tell 17:25 NekoGloop but that still made no sense 17:25 NekoGloop so the fucks i give are nil 17:26 * NekoGloop gives #minetest cookies 17:30 rubenwardy ZWS-Leerraum mit Breite null 17:30 PilzAdam ??? 17:31 NekoGloop i have no idea what you just said 17:31 rubenwardy Quoting sfan 17:31 rubenwardy i am not german 17:31 PilzAdam poor guy 17:31 NekoGloop I'm german in descent 17:31 NekoGloop cant speak it though 17:34 jordach dag nabbit 17:34 * jordach gives up for a second 17:35 jordach sfan5, how about 0.4 compat. for my fork? 17:35 jordach so no more hunting 0.3 packs! 17:36 jordach VanessaE, throw me the license to your c64 pack 17:37 * jordach sees WTFPL 17:37 jordach ignore that 17:37 khonkhortisan ignore what? I can't see what you're telling me to ignore because I'm ignoring it. 17:38 jordach i was asking if i could use the 16px textures 17:38 jordach since i want something custom 17:45 khonkhortisan the nice thing about open source is you can be playing on a server, see something you want to change, send a patch for it, then tell the server owner to update, and it'll be changed. 18:03 NekoGloop skyblock is hard :( 18:03 PilzAdam its small 18:04 NekoGloop at least it isnt a single node anymore :) 18:04 khonkhortisan does it still rain lava? 18:04 khonkhortisan I haven't tried it yet 18:05 NekoGloop lol no it doesnt rain lava 18:07 khonkhortisan Is anyone hosting it? 18:09 NekoGloop not that i know of 18:09 NekoGloop but lava cooling means your screwed if the source decides to cool 18:10 NekoGloop oh shit... lava cooling will conflict... ;_; 18:10 jordach LOL 18:11 NekoGloop cobble generator will make obsidian instead of cobble 18:11 NekoGloop obsidian shall be made from a stone and a lava bucket now 18:11 NekoGloop :D 18:13 NekoGloop now, my next attempt at skyblock, with a non-conflicting lavacooling 18:14 NekoGloop and lava sources dont turn into molten rock now 18:16 NekoGloop i should record this 18:16 NekoGloop but i wont 18:16 NekoGloop because i still have no mic 18:22 celeron55 obsidian is so lamely straight-from-minecraft it makes me cry 18:23 * PilzAdam too 18:23 celeron55 altough it *is* a real material 18:24 iqualfragile celeron55: what would you recommend as the minimum minetest-specifications? 18:24 PilzAdam celeron55, why do you add the on_blast() function to lua-apit.txt= 18:24 PilzAdam can i use it in TNT mod? 18:24 NekoGloop obsidian should be what i proposed (stone + lava bucket) 18:26 NekoGloop ugh i hate that skyblock lags so much 18:27 NekoGloop i forget how I'm supposed to get this lava block 18:28 celeron55 iqualfragile: dualcore... pretty much nothing else, except for (rarish) cases where the GPU behaves badly specifically for what minetest does, which are not too predictable 18:28 iqualfragile ram? 18:29 celeron55 if you don't use HD textures, memory is not an issue 18:29 khonkhortisan youtube is inverted 18:29 celeron55 you can't get a dualcore with too little RAM 18:29 celeron55 PilzAdam: i have actually made some work based on your tnt mod to include tnt and explosions as separate mods to minetest_game 18:29 iqualfragile i am shure i can 18:30 iqualfragile yaay 18:30 celeron55 PilzAdam: haven't published them yet though 18:30 PilzAdam great!!! 18:30 iqualfragile have you looked at his farming-mod? 18:30 iqualfragile especialy farming-light? 18:30 celeron55 PilzAdam: but that is the reason i specified the function in the API specification 18:31 NekoGloop fucking skyblock 18:31 NekoGloop cut it out. 18:31 NekoGloop NOW 18:32 NekoGloop too many abms, i think, lava's going everywhere 18:34 sfan5 celeron55: could you please add some way of loading mapblocks? 18:35 celeron55 sfan5: somebody should experiment with something like that 18:35 celeron55 sfan5: i can't do everything; not even 50% of everything 18:35 sfan5 its just a request 18:35 sfan5 many things are not possible because this function is not there 18:36 celeron55 investigating it is on my to-do list 18:36 celeron55 which means i'll get to it during maybe the next half a year, or something 18:36 celeron55 some people constantly want me to do engine stuff, and some people constantly want me to do content stuff 18:36 celeron55 and so 18:36 iqualfragile1 wich function? 18:37 NekoGloop what is the secret to getting the lava source under the spawn in skyblock? 18:37 PilzAdam celeron55, solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning 18:37 sfan5 my wishlist for engine things: load mapblocks with lua and https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/209 18:38 celeron55 PilzAdam: ok 18:38 PilzAdam if you clone yourself we have 2*50% of everything 18:39 iqualfragile1 celeron55: who wants you to do content-stuff? 18:39 iqualfragile1 i think there are enought modders around here wich create great content 18:39 PilzAdam iqualfragile1, I 18:39 celeron55 for example that guy just above you 18:39 NekoGloop YES 18:39 NekoGloop I GOT THE LAVA 18:39 NekoGloop W00T!!! 18:39 iqualfragile1 you just need to merge it back together and organize things a bit 18:40 celeron55 and yes, "doing content stuff" half of the time means taking mods and figuring out what parts of them should go upstream 18:40 celeron55 and in what form 18:40 celeron55 also they always require fixes 18:41 celeron55 even PilzAdam's good code contains bugs 18:41 PilzAdam nope 18:41 PilzAdam ;-) 18:41 iqualfragile1 then talk to the modders tell them that you are about to merge stuff back upstream and im shure they are happy to adjust and fix 18:41 celeron55 it doesn't work like that 18:42 celeron55 it's more work to communicate with them for them to do it thanto do it myself 18:42 celeron55 +space 18:42 jordach celeron55, can we have apples back in game? 18:43 iqualfragile1 there are apples 18:43 jordach iqualfragile1, not naturally spawned 18:43 iqualfragile1 sfan5: kannst du auch beim korrekturlesen helfen? http://openetherpad.org/3ePG95vTf9 18:43 jordach i mean apple treees 18:43 iqualfragile1 i get appletrees 18:43 celeron55 speaking of that, does there exist an apple texture that would roughly fit the current upstream textures? 18:43 sfan5 iqualfragile1: ja gleich 18:43 iqualfragile1 sometimes 18:43 jordach ask cisoun 18:44 iqualfragile1 im using the minetoon-texturepack 18:45 cisoun was der fuck ? 18:45 jordach c55 wants a apple texture 18:46 jordach speaking of that, does there exist an apple texture that would roughly fit the current upstream textures? 18:47 celeron55 hmm, there is one in cisoun's v8, from which the others originate, which is unused 18:47 celeron55 maybe it fits in well enough 18:47 celeron55 the current apple is quite laughable 8) 18:47 jordach my pull request fixes it, but even with my_rand(1, 256) they spawn everywhere 18:48 jordach it needs turning back 18:49 NekoGloop your current apple looks like something i picked off my forehead 18:49 cisoun my apple sucks, im gonna make another one 18:49 cisoun I'm working again on my pack anyway 18:49 sfan5 celeron55: i'm bad at drawing textures 18:49 sfan5 as your can see here: https://raw.github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/master/mods/default/textures/default_apple.png 18:50 celeron55 it's yours? 8) 18:50 jordach and i thought i cant draw 18:51 jordach celeron55, VanessaE tested my small patch at 1/256 apples need turning down seriously 18:51 cisoun there are apples in 0.4.3 ? 18:51 jordach my pull request has the fix 18:51 * PilzAdam can draw (https://github.com/PilzAdam/TNT/blob/master/textures/tnt_gunpowder.png) 18:51 jordach but they over populate 18:52 NekoGloop cisoun: only from placed saplings 18:52 * VanessaE is back 18:52 cisoun oh ok. 18:52 jordach NekoGloop, they dont 18:52 NekoGloop explain to me how minetest can run at 0 fps 18:52 jordach because gpu 18:53 NekoGloop jordach: yeah they do. i jsut did one 18:53 cisoun NekoGloop: because you don't have graphic drivers ? 18:53 VanessaE I can draw good textures but my style is usually too realistic for some peoples' tastes :-) 18:53 NekoGloop no i mean its running AT 0 fps, but still RUNNING. Explain this to me xD 18:53 mika__ What's wrong if the apple comes from a sapling, on servers you must plant and have own garden so it makes no difference, correct me if i'm wrong 18:54 jordach i want normal spawning trees with them 18:54 sfan5 celeron55: yes, i coded apples and made the texture, but my pull request went missing 18:54 PilzAdam celeron55, whats about the always_collect variable you added to staticdata of builtin items? can i use it in item_drop? 18:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, whats about the letter? 18:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: ruben seemed to be okay with sending it 18:57 VanessaE but he last expressed concern that we're fighting a losing battle 18:57 VanessaE the article is "doomed" 18:58 VanessaE in the meantime, he's imported the article into his user page so at least it won't be lost 18:58 PilzAdam i and some others just translated the article into german 18:58 jordach or just point to his page 18:58 sfan5 celeron55: there is the commit https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/b22cb69a155d586791341d4df90060b8220361e1 18:59 iqualfragile1 PilzAdam: its some others and i 18:59 NekoGloop i kinda screwed myself over with this D: 19:00 NekoGloop didnt collect any leaf blocks 19:00 NekoGloop but i got so far!!!! D: 19:01 NekoGloop oh please do return to keegan 19:02 M13Coder why 19:02 M13Coder you have a problem because. don't 19:02 M13Coder I don't 19:02 NekoGloop rips off of two names 19:03 iqualfragile1 celeron55: you could just tell three people from the community to care about the game-content. if they all think a mod/parts of it could be added to the game you could add it 19:03 PilzAdam https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest-c55 19:03 jordach the german gema does not like open source games 19:04 jordach 19:06 * jordach trys to tame apple trees, VanessaE knows of this even at 1/512 *shudders* 19:07 VanessaE ok let me see it at 1/512 :-) 19:07 jordach have not compiled it 19:07 jordach my server is on 19:09 VanessaE well compile it dammit ;) 19:09 PilzAdam 2 minutes after creating the german Minetest wiki article and we have a typo tag 19:09 hmmmm 1/512 what? 19:10 sfan5 PilzAdam: lol 19:11 VanessaE hmmmm: ratio of apples to regular trees 19:11 VanessaE (or something similar enough anyway) 19:11 hmmmm it can't be trees 19:11 hmmmm there would be like none of them 19:11 VanessaE well apples vs. leaves nodes then 19:11 hmmmm well that's a dumb idea 19:12 hmmmm you randomly have a regular tree or an apple tree 19:12 hmmmm and by randomly i mean perlin noise randomly 19:12 hmmmm it should not be totally random 19:12 hmmmm because that's just not how things work IRL 19:12 NekoGloop perlin noise doesnt exist irl either 19:13 jordach VanessaE, UP 19:13 VanessaE NekoGloop: no but it's a good simulation of some real-life ideas 19:13 hmmmm it approximates the spread of seeds from an apple tree good enough 19:13 VanessaE same as with the fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio 19:13 hmmmm i.e. where you find one you'll find more 19:14 NekoGloop 1:15645645634863453486 should be the ratio for a apple tree 19:15 jordach VanessaE, server up 19:15 jordach with change 19:15 VanessaE connecting 19:17 iqualfragile1 nur im deutschen wiki: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sei_grausam 19:18 jordach server dead 19:18 VanessaE what's with all those black trees? 19:18 jordach lighting errors 19:19 VanessaE same thing happens with 3dforniture's round trees 19:20 NekoGloop uh... 19:20 VanessaE on an old map, the trunks always start out black until you do something (like place some dirt) near it that causes the lighting to change, then the tree turns the right color 19:20 NekoGloop isnt there supposed to be multiple levels in skyblock? 19:20 jordach line 193 in mapgen.cpp 19:21 VanessaE well sure enough, 19:21 VanessaE that should be exactly enough, or you could also turn down the < 10 to some smaller value, say < 3 19:22 jordach does not 1/64 seem good with that 19:22 VanessaE but hmmmm is right in that perlin noise should be used to decide where the apples even show up 19:23 VanessaE well if the default is 1/99, I'd say 1/64 is already too small 19:24 VanessaE (really it's about 1/10 given the value it looks for) 19:24 hmmmm ugh again 19:24 hmmmm magic constants 19:24 hmmmm numbers that mean something that are just sitting there in code 19:24 VanessaE short of rewriting it to use perlin noise, maybe try something really big, say 1/1000 19:25 hmmmm they ought to be at the very least a #define, since it's C++ preferably a static const, or optimally, a setting 19:25 jordach try 19:26 hmmmm change the 99 to 19:26 jordach 3 19:26 jordach there are treees with just leaves 19:26 VanessaE jordach: say when. 19:27 jordach NOW 19:27 VanessaE trying 19:27 hmmmm what 19:28 hmmmm anyway change the 99 to g_settings->getS16("apple_block_ratio"); 19:28 hmmmm err 19:28 hmmmm without the semicolon at the end obviously 19:29 hmmmm at least you won't have to recompile 19:30 hmmmm and i just looked, whether or not it's an apple tree is already decided by perlin noise 19:30 NekoGloop i see 19:30 VanessaE so this just decides how many apples to put on the tree 19:31 NekoGloop go be perlin-y and noisy elsewhere 19:31 hmmmm and it's a 1/10 chance, not a 1/99 19:31 hmmmm note the < 10 19:31 VanessaE [09-10 15:24] (really it's about 1/10 given the value it looks for) 19:31 VanessaE :) 19:31 hmmmm oh 19:31 * NekoGloop kicks hmmm 19:31 NekoGloop +m 19:31 celeron55 but if everything is a setting, then people can't share seeds because it involves sharing 100 other numbers too 19:31 jordach celeron55, i fixed the huge apple spray 19:32 jordach re commits 19:32 hmmmm yes, except you're using random for the apple tree anyway 19:32 hmmmm unless myrand_range is perlin noise based too 19:32 hmmmm (which obviously it's not) 19:32 hmmmm ...soo 19:32 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuvmAFlklA&NR=1&feature=endscreen 19:32 NekoGloop random youtube link to epic song is random. and epic. 19:33 * PilzAdam ears are killed by NekoGloop 19:33 NekoGloop song doesnt start fast enough 19:33 NekoGloop so you just trollin :D 19:33 PilzAdam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll 19:34 hmmmm oh nevermind 19:34 hmmmm you use your own LCG implementation 19:34 NekoGloop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%25Dont%25Give%25A%25Fuck 19:35 hmmmm is it really that important for the same seed to generate the same exact apples at the same exact block? 19:35 celeron55 >https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest-c55 19:35 celeron55 i don't recommend filling every language wikipedia with minetest; the source list really is not up to it 19:36 celeron55 reference, whatever 19:36 PilzAdam lets see what happends 19:36 celeron55 you'll just piss off the wikipedians and get it removed everywhere 19:37 jordach and a ban 19:37 PilzAdam the germans are much more friendly 19:37 celeron55 if they wish to have it removed there too, i'd go the removal route and add it when you can have enough references 19:38 celeron55 because a ban is not good at all 19:38 celeron55 it's the worst thing there is in terms of wikipedia 19:38 NekoGloop dammit 19:38 celeron55 you'd be doing WAY more harm than good 19:39 celeron55 i don't care if people advertise minetest, but i DO care if people do harm to minetest's public image 19:39 celeron55 i hope you're worth my trust 19:39 NekoGloop can someone point me to a skyblock map that's just a single block? 19:39 saschaheylik_ you can get a topic banned from wikipedia by writing about it? 19:40 jordach commit pushed for 0.3.1 apple tree likeness 19:40 NekoGloop i want skyblock, but skyblock gamemode fails so hard for me. 19:40 celeron55 saschaheylik_: dunno, but i'd imagine being a bitch towards wikipedia about it could practically get a ban 19:40 saschaheylik_ wouldnt that make anyone able to get anything banned? 19:40 saschaheylik_ a ban of what? 19:40 saschaheylik_ the ip? 19:40 saschaheylik_ the topic? 19:40 NekoGloop ban of accounrt 19:40 NekoGloop if no account was made, then ban of ip 19:41 saschaheylik_ but why would celeron55 care about your wikipedia account or ip 19:41 NekoGloop you have no idea how many library ip's i've gotten banned from wikipedia 19:42 celeron55 saschaheylik_: i am relatively sure a history of bitchy deletions would delay the acceptance of MT to wikipedia 19:42 NekoGloop unless by then those mods were fired 19:42 celeron55 even in the current edit discussion page i think somebody refers to it being already deleted once 19:42 saschaheylik_ unless youre spamming why would they delete it 19:42 celeron55 s/edit/delete/ 19:42 saschaheylik_ uh 19:43 celeron55 it already was deleted once, does that tell you something? 19:43 saschaheylik_ s/oldword/newword/ 19:43 jordach VanessaE, try now 19:43 PilzAdam celeron55, in the german version i will move it to my sandbox if someone want it to delete so there is not that much trouble as in the english version 19:43 VanessaE celeron55: only some images were deleted, because supposedly copyright status/license was unclear 19:43 VanessaE I fixed that 19:43 saschaheylik_ celeron55: any reason? 19:43 VanessaE jordach: trying... 19:43 celeron55 VanessaE: i am talking about the page roughly half a year ago or so 19:43 celeron55 you weren't even around back then 19:44 VanessaE celeron55: ok; but I see no reference in the current discussion about it having been deleted 19:45 celeron55 i guess i recall wrongly then 19:46 NekoGloop how do i wipe a world out completely? 19:47 VanessaE just delete the world folder associated with it 19:47 NekoGloop no i mean an empty infinite space 19:47 VanessaE oh 19:48 VanessaE didn't someone *just* post a mod for that on the forums today? 19:48 NekoGloop deleting map.sqlite only regenerated it 19:48 NekoGloop vanessae: too hacky 19:48 jordach celeron55, head to minetest.zapto.org 30000 with 0.4.3 19:48 celeron55 why 19:48 jordach my apple trees 19:48 jordach they WORK 19:49 NekoGloop they FAIL 19:49 * NekoGloop runs 19:50 * saschaheylik_ hacks NekoGloop and changes rotation variable +180 degrees 19:50 NekoGloop wheee~ 19:50 iqualfragile1 celeron55: @german minetest article: as PilzAdam allready pointed out: the germans seem to be friendlier, allso germans generaly like opensource 19:50 saschaheylik_ americans dont like open source? 19:51 iqualfragile1 and there are some sources out there 19:51 VanessaE saschaheylik_: anti-capitalistic 19:51 iqualfragile1 no, they dont, they just want to earn money 19:51 celeron55 saschaheylik_: generally you could say so 19:51 VanessaE a bullshit reason but that's what people say 19:51 saschaheylik_ o.O 19:51 VanessaE fucking stupid is what it is. 19:51 saschaheylik_ damn mind control 19:51 celeron55 i should make a version of minetest for capitalists 19:51 celeron55 $100 a piece, with a licensed nyan cat block 19:51 saschaheylik_ you mean sell it? 19:52 saschaheylik_ we should sell it indeed 19:52 celeron55 that'd be the american way 19:52 NekoGloop people who say americas are greedy need a smack upside the head. 19:52 saschaheylik_ to fund developmen 19:52 saschaheylik_ t 19:52 saschaheylik_ greedy? stupid. 19:52 VanessaE NekoGloop: Americans *are* greedy 19:52 khonkhortisan So the only difference is the nyan cat node, but funding improves both versions 19:52 VanessaE (many are anyways) 19:53 iqualfragile1 celeron55: if we send you some reviews/articles about minetest, could you create a page on your website wich lists them? 19:53 * NekoGloop smacks vanessae upside the head 19:53 * VanessaE pulls NekoGloop's tail 19:53 iqualfragile1 that would shorten those "there is no press-echo" discusions 19:53 celeron55 i can't do anything with money for almost a year though, beceause i'm doing mandatory civil service and can't make minetest as work instead of other work 19:54 NekoGloop iqual: If I'm not mistaken, pewdiepie is going to do a lets play eventually. Although i personally dont care for pewdiepie, he will generate a shitload of people playing minetest. 19:54 celeron55 otherwise in theory me working for minetest could kind of happen 19:54 saschaheylik_ no but i could 19:54 VanessaE NekoGloop: not good enough - youtube isn't considered reliable. 19:54 VanessaE not to wikideletia. 19:54 NekoGloop and we need a wikipedia article, why? 19:55 jordach not to wikideletia. *hi fives* 19:55 saschaheylik_ if it was funded so i could work on minetest full time i would 19:55 jordach c55, get over here 19:55 saschaheylik_ he is here 19:55 jordach no really pilz is here 19:55 saschaheylik_ celeron55: 19:55 iqualfragile1 um: celeron: when there is a shitload of people playing minetest comming from minecraft: shoudnt we create a page wich states the differences? 19:55 NekoGloop pewdiepie, however idiotic his videos are, will generate more people than wikipedia. 19:55 hmmmm if it was funded i wouldn't bother because then it's not FREE 19:55 hmmmm as in FREEDOM 19:55 saschaheylik_ uh 19:55 saschaheylik_ yeah it is 19:55 khonkhortisan oldertopic: automatically crossing wire isn't easy. At the point where a bunch of rows are half-crossed, if you were to take a picture you wouldn't be able to tell whether the wires were crossing or uncrossing. 19:55 saschaheylik_ read the gpl idiot 19:55 hmmmm wow, now i'm an idiot 19:56 saschaheylik_ and you take yourself too seriously 19:56 celeron55 lgpl is just as free even if you can pay for development 19:56 NekoGloop make there be special stuff for people who support minetest 19:56 celeron55 or the end result 19:56 hmmmm if it's not GPLv3, it doesn't respect my freedom 19:56 iqualfragile1 you can even sell firefox 19:56 hmmmm RMS told me so 19:56 iqualfragile1 /ban hmmmm 19:56 saschaheylik_ remember "idiot" ? 19:56 VanessaE NekoGloop: same reason articles like faster-than-light travel, quantum mechanics, pokemon, and AMD all "need" wikipedia articles. because it's a good place to get basic info about something, and to leave minetest out because minecraft is more popular is clear favoritism 19:56 iqualfragile1 /ban RMS 19:56 celeron55 pretty much everything RMS lets out of his mouth is bullshit 19:57 VanessaE celeron55: I thought everyone knew that already? :D 19:57 hmmmm i agree with a lot of his viewpoints, but he's way too radical for his own good. 19:57 celeron55 in case somebody didn't know 19:57 VanessaE haha 19:57 iqualfragile1 lets get this right: the free software song is shit 19:57 saschaheylik_ how could being radical be the problem 19:57 iqualfragile1 his philosophy is not bad 19:57 saschaheylik_ radical means different 19:57 khonkhortisan very different 19:57 hmmmm he's autistic 19:58 mika__ RMS? 19:58 celeron55 i'm the linus torvalds kind of open source guy, kind of 19:58 saschaheylik_ whats the difference 19:58 hmmmm he's never been diagnosed exactly, but a lot of details in his biography directly point to him having autism 19:59 * jordach has the a-word 19:59 VanessaE celeron55: as in you'll tell nvidia "fuck you"? ;-) 19:59 celeron55 freedom is good to a point 19:59 jordach yes 19:59 celeron55 after the point, it just becomes a hindrance 19:59 saschaheylik_ like how 20:00 saschaheylik_ how is lack of limitations a limitation 20:00 khonkhortisan like you are restricted in the restrictions you can add 20:00 saschaheylik_ freedom is lack of restrictions 20:00 jordach c55 my server runs the apple tree fix 20:00 saschaheylik_ it only restricts having restrictions 20:00 celeron55 jordach: i don't need to see it 20:01 saschaheylik_ but if you want to have restrictions you have restrictions and not freedom in the first place 20:01 khonkhortisan I'm not free to make the game not work on Sunday 20:01 hmmmm well it's quite appropriate, i mean after all, minecraft is nicknamed autismcraft. so logically, wouldn't a FREE as in FREEDOM open source version be super autismal? 20:01 jordach alright 20:01 saschaheylik_ khonkhortisan: yes you are 20:01 VanessaE haha 20:01 khonkhortisan okay then, I lose the argument 20:01 mika__ Celeron55 and others, i just looked up that RMS guy (i think) and the first thing i noticed were ACTIVIST, so he must be sick, but if he did just say as it was (don't know if he's able) everyone would ignore him, just like greenpeace, only time i remember them is when they chain themselves to oil tankers or protest nuclear power 20:01 saschaheylik_ khonkhortisan: affirmative 20:02 saschaheylik_ anyone playing CS:GO? 20:02 hmmmm celeron knows exactly what i'm talking about, i think he browses the same imageboard i do - i noticed he greentexted before :) 20:02 celeron55 mika__: kind of true 20:03 celeron55 mika__: that also implicitly means you shouldn't do everything he says without thinking first 20:03 mika__ true 20:03 celeron55 (as if you shouldn't think first always anyway) 20:04 mika__ some people use to think afterwards, maybe to save brain cells 20:04 VanessaE oh so apropose: "Don't let your mind wander. It's too small to be out on its own." 20:04 NekoGloop some people dont think at all 20:04 VanessaE apropos even 20:04 saschaheylik_ i think a licence where you have to buy the product before you get the source would make more sense 20:04 jordach PilzAdam, VanessaE - try again 20:04 VanessaE trying. 20:05 celeron55 saschaheylik_: but it becomes a huge problem if the entity that you should buy dies or becomes crazy and asks $100000 20:05 saschaheylik_ true 20:05 mika__ i dont remember what program i had a long time ago on ubuntu, think it was 10.04, it was free but if you made something to commercial use there was a 100€ fee 20:05 celeron55 the point of GPL is to effectively disallow everything that could possibly lead to such crap 20:05 NekoGloop no, it will be $20 because slenderman. 20:05 celeron55 it instead believes in the good faith of people in terms of buying something 20:05 celeron55 which either works or not... 20:06 jordach c55 i hit the apple tree golden ratio 20:06 saschaheylik_ yeah i guess it should be alright since shit gets cracked anyways 20:06 NekoGloop ugh, what's the name of the default tree node? 20:06 celeron55 what about default:tree? 20:06 celeron55 8D 20:06 saschaheylik_ so it doesnt matter _how_ its pirated 20:06 mika__ my friends dad who's an engineer uses autocad, think he spoke about a prize of 5k for the license 20:06 NekoGloop thanks :P 20:06 NekoGloop default:normaltree didnt work 20:07 celeron55 NekoGloop: that is officially called overthinking 20:07 NekoGloop lol 20:07 celeron55 mika__: yeah, same thing for the most expensive versions of photoshop and the like 20:07 NekoGloop oh, and another question 20:08 NekoGloop why, for god's sake, do you only get a single sand block from sandstone? 20:08 mika__ celeron55, did you have psp in high school? 20:08 khonkhortisan minetest could sell pixel ads in the form of nodes 20:08 khonkhortisan NekoGloop, +1 20:08 celeron55 mika__: i've never had psp nor any other handheld console 20:08 mika__ paint shop pro 20:08 celeron55 oh lol 20:08 celeron55 no 20:08 celeron55 i thought what that'd be related to 8D 20:09 jordach last try 20:09 NekoGloop i didnt really give a shit 20:09 PilzAdam btw: Xbox 360 FTW 20:09 khonkhortisan sandcake is a lie 20:09 celeron55 mika__: why would i have had paint shop pro in high school? 20:09 mika__ computer class 20:09 NekoGloop pilzadam: microsoft needs to get away from the shit game consoles and work on windows 20:09 khonkhortisan doesn't sound familiar 20:09 celeron55 maybe they had it, maybe not; dunno 20:09 celeron55 but why do you ask the question? 20:10 PilzAdam NekoGloop, they need to go away from window$ and work on Xbox 20:10 NekoGloop xbox is crap, ever since fps 20:10 mika__ just an fine example on this capitalist and license chat 20:11 mika__ we had psp 7 before christmas and under christmas holidays they changed to gimp, was too expensive to buy all psp lisences 20:11 jordach VanessaE, get here 20:11 jordach now. 20:12 jordach please. 20:12 VanessaE on my way 20:12 NekoGloop I'm coming (not) 20:13 PilzAdam jordach, i dont like the trees with 1-2 apples; there should be 1/20 of all trees with ~5 apples 20:14 VanessaE I think it's good to have it like this - remember in an active server they'll all go bare anyway, but at least in an unexplored area you have some small chance of finding a few 20:15 jordach ill leave it 1/8 20:15 jordach 1/12 is a little too much 20:15 VanessaE this is 1/8? 20:15 jordach no 1/12 20:15 VanessaE right, gotchya 20:15 jordach 1/8 was better 20:17 jordach pushed golden ratio according to VanessaE 20:18 jordach gtg 20:18 PilzAdam gtg 20:18 PilzAdam bye 20:19 NekoGloop i have a horrible idea 20:20 NekoGloop NYANCAT STAIRS 20:20 NekoGloop :D 20:20 VanessaE NekoGloop: c55 already did that :) 20:21 NekoGloop doubt it... 20:22 VanessaE http://c55.me/random/2012-09/screenshot_2786899803.png 20:22 NekoGloop I'm adapting gloopblocks to have stairsplus code 20:22 VanessaE you were saying? :-) 20:22 NekoGloop i meant the actual nyancat 20:23 VanessaE oh, well the branch that does ^^^ that could do so with any block I guess 20:23 NekoGloop stairsplus code is so flawed 20:23 VanessaE ok, gotta run now 20:23 NekoGloop one, it cant be called from anothe mod, so why is it global? 20:24 NekoGloop two, you cant set special features of the nodes, like sunlight_propogates for glass stairs... 20:28 NekoGloop its a smugleaf! 20:28 NekoGloop :D 20:33 NekoGloop is the volume option not recognized or something? 20:33 * khonkhortisan just found some cocoa trees 20:34 NekoGloop farming mod? 20:34 khonkhortisan dunno, three's banana trees and no apple trees 20:35 NekoGloop apple trees dont spawn naturally w/o jordach's code 20:35 NekoGloop trees from saplings can have them though 20:44 NekoGloop well chat's quiet 20:44 * khonkhortisan is working on autocrossing insulated mesecon wires 20:45 NekoGloop can we have the cross? 20:45 NekoGloop (minus the autoplacement) 20:45 khonkhortisan it's already in, shapelessly craft two insulated wires 20:46 NekoGloop i have to update i guess 20:52 M13Coder Hello 20:53 khonkhortisan hi 21:02 Octupus helo 21:02 Octupus does any1 have recommened apps on appstore 21:03 NekoGloop how about colloquy? it's irc :P 21:04 Octupus ok 21:04 Octupus free? 21:04 NekoGloop yes 21:04 jordach sup 21:05 Octupus LIERS 21:05 Octupus its a 1.99 21:05 jordach liars 21:05 jordach grammar please. :-) 21:05 OldCoder Who's lying? 21:05 jordach octopus. 21:05 Octupus yes 21:06 Octupus any other apps? 21:06 NekoGloop uh... 21:06 NekoGloop ipad, iphone, or mac? 21:07 Octupus ipod 21:07 Octupus i guess iphone 21:07 NekoGloop i see 21:07 NekoGloop colloquy -was- free... 21:08 Octupus it was not anymore 21:11 celeron55 that's how "free as in beer" tends to work 8) 21:12 Octupus moonshine shud have no tax 21:13 NekoGloop latest stairsplus lets you make some epic houses 21:13 khonkhortisan moonshine has no tax 21:15 jordach neko, wat? 21:16 Octupus whats stair= 21:17 Octupus *+ 21:17 NekoGloop calinou's awesome mod...? 21:17 Octupus i thought it added for stairs when u crafted it 21:17 M13Coder Hey yall i just got my new laptop today and what is some coding programs? 21:17 NekoGloop uh... OS? 21:18 M13Coder windows 21:18 thexyz vim 21:18 M13Coder 7 21:18 M13Coder is there one that does c++ and lua 21:18 khonkhortisan eclipse vim gcc g++ kate cmake autotools git svn gdb 21:18 NekoGloop notepad++ 21:18 celeron55 vim 7 indeed! 21:18 celeron55 8D 21:18 NekoGloop ll c55 21:18 NekoGloop lol* 21:19 khonkhortisan ll indeed! 21:19 celeron55 the newest and the greatest 21:19 NekoGloop o key has not be registering lately 21:19 NekoGloop been a pain in the ass working on nodes with "glOOpblocks" in their names 8) 21:19 Octupus celeron so what up with your develponet server? 21:20 celeron55 nothing's up, everything is down 21:20 NekoGloop lol 21:20 celeron55 i haven't had the motivation to run it 21:20 Octupus ohh 21:21 mrtux celeron55 21:21 * NekoGloop gives c55 50 motivation points 21:21 celeron55 silly americans start talking when i am going to sleep 21:21 mrtux oh sorry lol 21:21 celeron55 say it! 21:21 mrtux Ok 21:21 jordach :-) thats life....and time zones 21:22 mrtux There is this weird bug in 0.4.3 for me 21:22 NekoGloop well apparently americans like me are idiots, so ignore us. ;_; 21:22 mrtux When i look up then down in minetest, some nodes loose the textures or etc 21:22 Octupus HEY JoRDACH MAY I HAVE YOUR PIXEL ART SERVER 21:22 jordach VanessaE isnt :-) 21:22 mrtux like you are flying underground 21:22 jordach otcopus, perhhaps 21:23 thexyz M13Coder: vim does everything 21:23 Octupus jordah:think about it 21:24 thexyz mrtux: there is similar problem with entities 21:24 mrtux ah 21:24 jordach gtg 21:24 M13Coder is it easy to use? 21:24 thexyz vim is extremly easy to use 21:24 celeron55 lol 21:25 mrtux it could be my computer is ancient 21:25 thexyz as easy as online game http://vim-adventures.com/ 21:25 mrtux I prefer nano myself, thexyz. 21:25 Octupus bye 21:25 NekoGloop i now have some kind of useless look-out tower 21:25 BartoCH nobody uses emacs? :-p 21:25 mrtux never used emacs 21:25 celeron55 preferring nano is like preferring no shoes in winter because it's easier 21:25 BartoCH :wq 21:26 mrtux if i need a GUI text editor, I like leafpad, and beaver code editor is nice 21:26 NekoGloop someone explain to me why you cant turn the volume dow in minetest 21:26 BartoCH :s/leafpad/scite 21:26 BartoCH :P 21:27 celeron55 there are tens of equally good GUI editors 21:27 celeron55 i'll mention kate 21:27 thexyz NekoGloop: you can turn it off 21:27 iqualfragile1 thexyz: i did not know that 21:27 thexyz iqualfragile1: didn't know what? 21:27 iqualfragile1 but its not acurate for me, as a have an custom layout (neo-2) 21:27 iqualfragile1 the vim adventures 21:27 BartoCH celeron55, i never really appreciated the color syntaxing and the autoindent of kate 21:28 celeron55 i used to use kate before i ended up as a vim user 21:28 Octupus celeron i wud like to congratulate u on the torches when u hold them the light comes out Nice Touch :) 21:28 BartoCH haha 21:28 celeron55 wut? 21:28 Octupus the torches 21:28 Octupus in 4.3 21:28 NekoGloop uh, that's walking_light 21:28 Octupus ohh 21:28 Octupus but i still light it 21:28 NekoGloop xD 21:28 Octupus *like 21:29 BartoCH celeron55, and do you code minetest with vim? 21:29 BartoCH or are you using some more code specific text editor? 21:29 BartoCH i'm thinking about code blocs or eclipse and the other stuffs like that 21:30 celeron55 always vim 21:30 celeron55 with some (surprisingly few) configuration options that i've figured out over time 21:32 BartoCH i should definitely come deeper into vim also 21:34 celeron55 there are some things i've tried that i've ended up using and some i've not. I've ended up using vim, but not tiling WMs, for example 21:35 BartoCH hehe, i see, which DE are you using also? (i'm just curious) 21:35 celeron55 icewm 21:36 celeron55 stays out of the way and just works 21:36 celeron55 doesn't try to reinvent itself every year 21:36 celeron55 not even every ten years 21:36 BartoCH never heard :P 21:37 celeron55 this is a windows / OS/2 / motif / whatever imitating WM from 1997 21:37 BartoCH looks old-ish, but powerful and simple 21:37 celeron55 in addition to being such a reliable workhorse, it is available everywhere 21:38 celeron55 (same goes for vim) 21:38 BartoCH hehe 21:38 BartoCH even windows? :P 21:38 celeron55 nope, windows is windows and has it's own programs 21:39 celeron55 urxvt is my preferred terminal 21:39 celeron55 and yellow motif my preferred icewm theme, in case you want to set up the exact same desktop as i have 21:39 Octupus celeron whats gonna be new in 4.4? 21:40 celeron55 Octupus: 4.4 will most likely never happen 21:40 BartoCH celeron55, my kde-xfce combination between my desktop and my laptop is alright :-) 21:40 khonkhortisan urxvt does transparency 21:40 celeron55 xfce isn't too bad... there are much, much worse alternatives 8) 21:40 Octupus celeron55: Why? 21:40 khonkhortisan urxvt -fade 20 +sb -depth 32 -fg white -bg rgba:0000/0000/0000/cccc 21:40 celeron55 on the other hand, i can't see any valid reason to use kde 21:41 khonkhortisan kde does automatic mounting, which can be done without kde 21:41 celeron55 i do use dolphin 21:41 celeron55 you don't need kde for that 21:41 BartoCH i don't like the file manager personnally 21:42 celeron55 dolphin does sftp connections and thumbnail browsing and tabbing fairly well 21:42 BartoCH but i like the qt design :P and i'm not a gnome fan 21:42 celeron55 which is what i expect from a file manager 21:42 celeron55 not many do those well or at all 21:42 celeron55 in fact, i've not stumbled upon any other that does them as well, except konqueror when it was in the same role 21:44 BartoCH cd/mv/ls/cp/ln is all what i need ;-) 21:45 BartoCH celeron55, i feel the gentoo user in you 21:47 celeron55 i was a gentoo user, but then i dumped it in order to be actually able to do things i want, used debian for a good while and then installed arch on my main laptop 21:47 celeron55 i'd never use gentoo again; a waste of time and resources 21:47 celeron55 good for learning though 21:47 celeron55 so today i use arch on my main machine and debians on everything else 21:48 BartoCH lol, i have debian here and arch on my laptop :p 21:49 celeron55 arch has it's problems though 21:49 BartoCH debian is cool, but you always need to add repos for having a 'decent' package base 21:49 khonkhortisan *its 21:49 celeron55 i might move to something else if i can find a better alternative 21:49 celeron55 debian is always cool for servers 21:49 BartoCH celeron55, you don't like the manual interventions? 21:49 celeron55 and general usage 21:49 celeron55 it's the standard 21:49 celeron55 BartoCH: they're unhandy at times 21:50 celeron55 sometimes you just have to upgrade everything and would not at all have the time to read news.archlinux.org and understand everything 21:50 BartoCH i'm still quite new to arch, so i cannot share some exp here 21:50 celeron55 because, trust me, if you don't do that, you'll end up crying and doing that 21:50 BartoCH when you know how to proceed, it shouldn't be a problem 21:51 BartoCH fontconfig, i just reinstalled the package and all went fine 21:51 BartoCH for the 3.5 kernel, i had just one package to remove and install after the upgrade 21:51 BartoCH not a hard deal 21:52 celeron55 i've used arch for a bit longer than minetest is old 21:52 BartoCH :p 21:52 celeron55 i quite know how things tend to work 21:52 BartoCH i read a little there, they're killing rc.conf 21:52 BartoCH and i don't like that 21:52 celeron55 nobody likes it 21:52 celeron55 for what i've heard 21:52 BartoCH so why the hell are they doing that? 21:53 Octupus gtg 21:53 celeron55 because every project fails at some point 21:53 celeron55 8) 21:53 celeron55 let's just see how steep the downhill is! 21:53 BartoCH hehe 21:54 BartoCH i still remain on my ideas that arch learns you lots of things too 21:54 BartoCH not as much as gentoo, but still more than my debian did 21:54 celeron55 gentoo's manual chroot install is fun 21:55 celeron55 but if you need to do something, it's not likely that is gentoo's manual chroot install you want to have done 21:55 BartoCH the new installer is using the chroot method 21:55 BartoCH (of arch) 21:55 celeron55 i've heard that too; i though the short wizard was handy 21:56 celeron55 i hope they're not going to screw with the way AUR and the community repo works 21:56 celeron55 it's one of the good things left 21:56 BartoCH it was quite easy, you just have to know what is a chroot when you install that way just to figure out how it internally works 21:57 BartoCH aur is awesome, this is why i installed arch on my new laptop 21:57 SmugLeaf I have used gentoo since forever 21:57 SmugLeaf I have had to use almost every other distro for work 21:58 SmugLeaf hate them all 21:58 celeron55 i hate every distro; some just a bit less than others 21:58 BartoCH haha 21:58 BartoCH all distros have pro and cons 21:58 SmugLeaf as much as compiling can be a pain, being able to patch programs in a couple minutes + compile time is what keeps me with gentoo 21:59 BartoCH you cannot use debs and start your daemon manually 22:00 celeron55 archlinux has a good thing apart from the site and the community: you know pretty well what your system is doing while being able to use binary packages 22:01 BartoCH the community? 22:01 celeron55 mostly referring to AUR 22:01 BartoCH i don't see where the aur is bad 22:01 BartoCH there's some old programs there 22:02 celeron55 ehm 22:02 BartoCH just do a search before and that's all folks 22:02 celeron55 i am prettu sure what i said is valid english and doesn't imply the other things mentioned would be bad 22:02 celeron55 y* 22:02 BartoCH nevermind :P 22:03 BartoCH i use yaourt for aur, and it does all the required job 22:04 BartoCH download, compile, install, update, search, just everything 22:05 celeron55 i usually just download tarballs from there and makepkg them, unless they have huge dependency chains that are impossible to get by hand 22:05 celeron55 (that only reside in AUR, that is) 22:06 BartoCH haaa, you do it manually, that's why :p 22:20 thexyz well, something is damn wrong with default "dye" mod 22:21 thexyz or i just can't understand it 22:42 ecube what's wrong? 22:45 NekoGloop good... afternoon? 22:49 ecube yep, afternoon 22:52 iqualfragile1 good night 22:52 khonkhortisan my git origin has a fetch repo and a push repo. I want to checkout and pull from a branch that only exists on the push repo. 22:53 khonkhortisan Is there an easy way? 22:55 khonkhortisan nevermind 22:56 iqualfragile1 allright: the germen wikipedians are so much nicer 22:56 iqualfragile1 instead of trying to delete the article they improve it 22:57 khonkhortisan maybe because it's a new page and hasn't had the bad page banner for a long time 22:58 iqualfragile1 i dont think so 22:58 iqualfragile1 i think its because they are german and like opensource 22:59 NekoGloop_ wowheisdiamonds 23:00 wowiamdiamonds nope i lied 23:08 iqualfragile1 @guys trying to fix the wikipedia-entery: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q="Minetest"+-minetest.net+-minetest.com+-youtube.com+-github.com+-launchpad.net+-wikia.com+article 23:08 iqualfragile1 there should be some relevant sources around there 23:08 khonkhortisan a cement pickaxe is just silly 23:13 NekoGloop_ cement pickaxe? 23:13 NekoGloop_ that's in my mod! :D 23:14 khonkhortisan so you put some sticks on the ground, make a wood box, pour cement in it, and pick up a pickaxeL 23:14 khonkhortisan *pickaxe? 23:14 khonkhortisan I have a cement sierpinski pyramid 23:14 iqualfragile1 good night 23:15 khonkhortisan iteration four pyramid and sponge next to each other 23:17 khonkhortisan I should be able to /time if I'm the only one on the server 23:19 khonkhortisan http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/7974438646/in/photostream/lightbox/ 23:21 khonkhortisan much better than this one http://www.fractal-explorer.com/minecraftpyramide.html 23:23 NekoGloop_ khon: no, you make cement blocks then a pick in the traditional manner 23:23 khonkhortisan so you dig a hole in the cement for the stick, then 23:23 NekoGloop_ if we're gonna bring physics into this, then tell me, how do blocks float? 23:24 khonkhortisan water is very flat 23:24 khonkhortisan good for building on 23:24 NekoGloop_ yes 23:28 NekoGloop_ suuure it is 23:30 NekoGloop_ I'm too lazy to make xdoors that i have use normal door textures xD 23:33 * VanessaE wanders back in 23:33 VanessaE evening 23:34 NekoGloop_ evenin 23:34 khonkhortisan merge conflict 23:35 NekoGloop_ i made a couch with stairsplus corner stairs 23:35 khonkhortisan where? 23:35 NekoGloop_ my singleplayer server...? 23:35 khonkhortisan oh. 23:36 khonkhortisan So will insulated t-junctions be compatible with automatic crossings? 23:37 NekoGloop_ probably not 23:37 NekoGloop_ wall stairs wont craft for me...? 23:40 NekoGloop_ i hate it when calinou screws something up, because his code is hell to try to debug 23:40 khonkhortisan then add debug to it? 23:40 NekoGloop_ xD 23:40 NekoGloop_ i mean to try to fix 23:42 khonkhortisan if only I could make the pyramid climbable 23:42 NekoGloop_ ooooh, he changed the recipes on us 23:42 NekoGloop_ like a ninja 23:42 NekoGloop_ be he's not epic enough to be a ninja 23:43 khonkhortisan VanessaE, should t-junctions be automatic too? 23:45 NekoGloop_ what good is a t-junction of insulated? 23:45 NekoGloop_ that's what insulated wires -avoid- 23:46 khonkhortisan kind of what I thought when I found out they were committed 23:47 khonkhortisan in master, plus and t wire are crafted, in my branch, plus wire is automatically generated. I don't know how to merge them. 23:48 VanessaE khonkhortisan: if possible, yeah 23:49 NekoGloop_ if possible without making insulated wires redundant 23:49 VanessaE to merge them, make a backup of your changes, pull down a fresh copy of mesecons from master, and patch your changes in manaully 23:49 VanessaE then push the result back up 23:50 VanessaE merge conflicts, I have no idea how to gracefully solve 23:50 VanessaE so when that happens I do it the above way 23:54 NekoGloop_ are there any skyblock servers? 23:54 khonkhortisan I want to know also 23:54 VanessaE dunno 23:55 khonkhortisan how do I pull from one branch into another? 23:55 VanessaE git pull I think 23:56 VanessaE e.g. git pull git@github.com:Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons.git 23:56 VanessaE oh wait 23:56 VanessaE branch, not fork 23:56 VanessaE um 23:56 VanessaE I don't know at all 23:56 khonkhortisan that worked 23:56 khonkhortisan no wait it failed on merge 23:56 khonkhortisan I can pull master->master but not master->extrawires 23:57 VanessaE git checkout master; git merge branchname 23:57 VanessaE maybe that's what you need 23:57 khonkhortisan I'm stuck in my branch now 23:58 khonkhortisan error: you need to resolve your current index first