Time  Nick               Message
00:02 khonkhortisan      the first problem with an infinitely large world isn't the amount of data in it, it's the size of the position variable.
00:02 NekoGloop          Yes, that could be a problem...
00:03 NekoGloop          Although an unfeasible one to come across in normal gameplay.
00:04 rubenwardy         VanessaE: delete my post: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39805#p39805
00:04 khonkhortisan      so what would be faster (if you have fast and fly), to go so far out that it couldn't store your position, or to spiral out so it couldn't store the world data?
00:05 VanessaE           deleted.
00:05 khonkhortisan      I guess that's a question of memory size and of bits
00:05 VanessaE           rubenwardy: normally we aren't supposed to do that, just for future reference.
00:05 NekoGloop          khonkhortisan: World data is unloaded as it is unneeded
00:05 khonkhortisan      but is it still in the world?
00:06 khonkhortisan      does it get un-generated or just back to the world file?
00:06 rubenwardy         delete it, it is empty
00:06 rubenwardy         ok
00:07 NekoGloop          khonkhortisan: It gets put in the file.
00:11 rubenwardy         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39809#p39809
00:16 cornernote         hi
00:17 VanessaE           hey cornernote
00:17 cornernote         heres my mexecons machine
00:17 cornernote         mesecons too
00:17 cornernote         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2881
00:18 rubenwardy         Look at this: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39809#p39809
00:18 khonkhortisan      why are there lights where there aren't segments?
00:18 VanessaE           interesting use of pistons
00:18 VanessaE           may I recommend using lightstones instead?
00:18 khonkhortisan      oh.
00:18 cornernote         no, its not as good
00:18 cornernote         you can try it
00:18 NekoGloop          Use insulated wires
00:18 cornernote         thats what i started with
00:18 cornernote         i did
00:19 cornernote         i prefer pistons for this 7 segment display
00:19 cornernote         perhaps a full display would be better with lightstone
00:19 rubenwardy         i gtg soon
00:20 khonkhortisan      your µc grid maps number-to-segment
00:20 JF154              anyone know how to make a multiplayer server
00:20 cornernote         now its done, im pretty sure i could have fit the decoder in behind the number
00:21 VanessaE           cornernote: nice effect with the torches though
00:21 cornernote         that way you could copy/paste the lot, next to itself.. and have multiple numbers
00:21 VanessaE           makes it look like a real LCD
00:21 rubenwardy         bye guys, will not talk to you for a whole day :O
00:21 cornernote         yeah, they make it work =)
00:21 cornernote         bye rubenwardy
00:21 JF154              anyone know anything about making servers?
00:22 khonkhortisan      you have to forward the port on your router to your computer
00:22 cornernote         JF154, just goto multiplayer, then start
00:22 cornernote         then have your friend connect to your IP
00:22 JF154              no about how to make a multiplayer one
00:22 khonkhortisan      there's a tab
00:22 cornernote         as <khonkhortisan> said, if your IP is internal and your players are outside your network then you will need to learn about port forwarding
00:23 JF154              can you try to get on 63.131.223.169
00:23 JF154              yes port forwarding is what i having trouble on
00:23 khonkhortisan      and your computer's firewall can cause problems too
00:24 * khonkhortisan    can't get in
00:24 JF154              anyone know why
00:26 khonkhortisan      remember to allow UDP
00:26 JF154              i have it set as EDP and other
00:26 khonkhortisan      what's EDP?
00:26 cornernote         yeah, that messed me up... UDP not TCP
00:27 khonkhortisan      I'm looking at wireshark and the try-to-connect packet is in UDP
00:29 khonkhortisan      I'm sending my username every packet
00:30 khonkhortisan      .......OEt.....khonkhortisan......OEt..........khonkhortisan.............
00:31 khonkhortisan      Is it better to build a mesecon machine in the sky?
00:31 cornernote         i built mine at 0,0,0
00:31 cornernote         but i disabled mapgen
00:32 cornernote         keeps the sqlite smaller
00:32 VanessaE           I build in the sky because that way I don't have to contend with a variable landscape or argue with worldedit to clear out some space
00:32 VanessaE           I just go up above the clouds, worldedit-in a big wide slab, and start working there.
00:32 * PilzAdam         too
00:32 cornernote         u didnt do that with your added did you ?
00:32 cornernote         it seemed like you disabled mapgen
00:33 khonkhortisan      both my adder and tictactoe are on the ground
00:33 khonkhortisan      and my keyboard
00:33 VanessaE           cornernote: I did that with my adder too
00:33 khonkhortisan      how do you disable mapgen?
00:34 cornernote         use this
00:34 VanessaE           I just went up so high that you can't see the map below.
00:34 cornernote         http://pastebin.com/sMAdsTdX
00:34 khonkhortisan      there should be a better way
00:34 cornernote         yes
00:34 cornernote         but this is the way
00:34 JF154              could anyone make a server and give me full privs and make me a admin/maker exept im not? and put in the mods i want
00:34 cornernote         maybe there is some option in the game config file ?
00:36 khonkhortisan      How would you change the mods if I made you a server?
00:36 NekoGloop          Use skyblock, there's your disabled mapgen ;)
00:37 JF154              uh you could download ones i want and only put them on that server, you seem good with tech, you should know
00:38 khonkhortisan      I don't know how to load skyblock where its mods are separate from mine
00:38 khonkhortisan      I still have to port forward my router
00:38 khonkhortisan      it's some minetest.conf variable
00:39 PilzAdam           cornernote, your link to the mesecon world is broken
00:40 khonkhortisan      yep
00:40 khonkhortisan      add .zip to the end of the url, it works fine
00:42 JF154              khonk do you wool, tv, 3d furniture, sethome, locked signs, node ownership and more block, timber, world edit, xdoors, xfence, xpanes, and stairs +
00:42 JF154              do you have those mods?
00:43 khonkhortisan      nooo I have animatedfluids/torches bobblocks craft_guide drippingwater homedecor mesecons moreblocks moreores painting particles raft signs stairsplus worldedit
00:43 JF154              aww, do you know how to download those and only put them on 1 server?
00:44 khonkhortisan      no I don't know how to separate public and private mods
00:44 JF154              :( do you know how to make a server with no mods?
00:44 khonkhortisan      delete everything and start over
00:45 NekoGloop          Other than copying the files to another directory and running them there i've no clue
00:46 JF154              :( anyone have those mods and knows how to make a server?
00:46 JF154              i know redcrab does but is he here?
00:47 khonkhortisan      there should be a system for separating servers with a web-based admin mod-changer
00:48 JF154              cool? the last 5 words make little to no sense to me sorry
00:48 khonkhortisan      server admins need a way to change out the mods without having to sit in front of the computer that's running it
00:48 JF154              Redcrab are you online?
00:48 JF154              yea
00:48 khonkhortisan      /grant so-and-so modchange
00:49 khonkhortisan      haha when I typed that it said [17:49] [481] khonkhortisan Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator
00:50 NekoGloop          Lol
00:50 khonkhortisan      As an example, on gameboom I talk to Bad_command about updating bones and he has to talk to ghostshell to do so. That system could be improved.
00:51 JF154              anyone know when redcrab will be online?
00:51 khonkhortisan      Ask me the slash command for quitting and I'd probably disappear
00:52 NekoGloop          Place a period in front of the slash
00:52 NekoGloop          Irc wont recognize the command
00:52 VanessaE           or two slashes.
00:52 VanessaE           /quit
00:52 VanessaE           like so.
00:53 NekoGloop          Too worldedit-y :3
00:53 JF154              VanessaE do you know how to make a serer?
00:53 VanessaE           not a public one, no
00:53 JF154              D:
00:53 khonkhortisan      /command I use spaces
00:54 JF154              do you know when redcrab will be online?
00:54 cornernote         PilzAdam, hrmm, ok sec.. will fix link
00:54 PilzAdam           i already got it
00:54 PilzAdam           add .zip to the end
00:55 khonkhortisan      ..".zip"},
00:55 cornernote         yeah
00:55 cornernote         fixed
00:55 cornernote         soz =)
00:56 cornernote         what do the other machines look like ?
00:56 cornernote         i saw the TTT machine
00:56 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: how goes the cross wires?
00:56 cornernote         got it working yet ?
00:56 NekoGloop          Cross wires shouldnt be -that- hard...
00:58 cornernote         what are you trying to do ?
00:58 VanessaE           he has the models already made up
00:58 NekoGloop          Is he doing cross insulated wires?
00:58 khonkhortisan      I think I'd have to add an exception in the rules
00:59 NekoGloop          Or code it completely
00:59 khonkhortisan      whoever thinks it wouldn't be that hard is welcome to try
00:59 NekoGloop          Heh...
01:00 NekoGloop          I'd have to be at my comp...
01:00 PilzAdam           Has anybody here a link to (non video) review of minetest?
01:00 khonkhortisan      it'll turn a grid of µcs into scattered µcs if there were crossed wires
01:02 * NekoGloop        pokes pilzadam
01:03 * PilzAdam         wants citations for the wikipedia article
01:03 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: do you think you could code in vertical mesecons wires?  I think just insulated ones is sufficient
01:05 * NekoGloop        pokes vanessae
01:08 PilzAdam           Has anybody here a link to (non video) review of minetest?
01:08 NekoGloop          Nope pilz
01:10 NekoGloop          I wonder what would happen if you cited google
01:11 cornernote         http://musicxs.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/a-review-of-minetest/ ?
01:12 cornernote         should submit one here: http://alternativeto.net/software/minetest-c55/reviews
01:12 cornernote         it came up high in SE, but without even having a review
01:13 PilzAdam           1st is a blog and 2nd is copied from the main minetest site
01:14 cornernote         whats wrong with a blog ?
01:14 VanessaE           plus first link has an irritating floating "sign me up!" ad.
01:14 cornernote         what do you need it for?
01:14 VanessaE           blogs are not acceptible on wikipedia as sourted.
01:14 VanessaE           sources.
01:14 cornernote         context helps =)
01:14 cornernote         ok, i see
01:14 cornernote         what is then ?
01:15 * NekoGloop        pokes vanessae again :3
01:15 cornernote         a non-blog review
01:15 VanessaE           cornernote: we're trying to find as many good, reliable, third-party sources of information about minetest, since using the main site isn't actually good enough (self-published)
01:15 * VanessaE         dodges NekoGloop's poke
01:15 * NekoGloop        pokes again
01:16 * VanessaE         dodges NekoGloop's poke
01:16 cornernote         strange that blogs dont count
01:16 * VanessaE         dodges it again, preemtively.
01:16 * NekoGloop        grabs a sledgehammer and hits vanessae with it
01:16 cornernote         did gameboom write one ?
01:16 VanessaE           cornernote: dunno
01:16 cornernote         if not, can you ask them to ?
01:17 cornernote         or does it not count if its new content
01:17 * NekoGloop        swings again
01:17 cornernote         http://gameboom.net/blogs/introducing-minetest-and-our-mt-game-server
01:17 VanessaE           it counts - it just has to be from a reliable source, someone who has has their work published before.
01:17 cornernote         its on their blog
01:17 VanessaE           it's a stupid rule when it comes to mundane things like an open source game
01:18 VanessaE           cornernote: that's ghostshell's personal blog I guess.
01:18 cornernote         but its a game site
01:18 cornernote         has servers
01:18 cornernote         community
01:18 cornernote         credibility ?
01:18 VanessaE           *shrug*
01:18 VanessaE           give it a try, see who tears it down
01:18 cornernote         i think that one would be one of the best there is
01:18 VanessaE           I'm done editing the article.
01:19 cornernote         others would just be blogs, etc
01:19 cornernote         or comparison sites.. minecraft vs minetest vs whatever
01:27 NekoGloop          I'm watching portal videos on youtube because i'm too lazy and broke to actually get it
01:46 VanessaE           bbl
01:46 NekoGloop          Shhh... You might wake it up.
01:50 khonkhortisan      would a vertical mesecon be as wide as a horizontal mesecon is wide or as wide as a horizontal mesecon is tall?
02:04 khonkhortisan      mesecons + farming = http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/7869124070/in/photostream/lightbox/
02:05 PilzAdam           lol
02:05 NekoGloop          Lolwat
02:06 khonkhortisan      I made the nodebox for vertical mesecons
02:57 khonkhortisan      I can make vertical mesecons connect to each other, but how do I make a horizontal mesecon connect to a vertical mesecon without horizontal mesecons connecting vertically?
03:07 khonkhortisan      http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/7869501622/in/photostream/lightbox/
03:08 khonkhortisan      it's a trick of the eye, those aren't connected.
03:09 NakedFury          want you would want is for horizontal mesecons to connect vertically WHEN you want not always?
03:10 khonkhortisan      a horizontal mesecon should connect if there's a vertical above it, but not if there's a horizontal above it.
03:10 khonkhortisan      the rules afaik only say which sides of the conductor can connect
03:11 khonkhortisan      so both vertical and crossed wires need code rewrites
03:16 NakedFury          there would be times when having lines of mesecons on the same block(1 on top of another) but never connecting might be needed
03:18 khonkhortisan      that mostly works with µcs and insulated wires, but when you turn a corner the wires are exposed and can connect diagonally.
03:24 khonkhortisan      using worldedit to copy chips doesn't reconnect wires
03:36 cornernote         khonkhortisan, insulated corners and up wire, i like it
03:36 khonkhortisan      there aren't insulated corners - but there could be
03:37 cornernote         i actually didnt have much trouble with crossover
03:37 cornernote         after a few design overhauls =)
03:37 cornernote         got it to ~ 1/4 the size of my 1st build
03:37 cornernote         maybe not that small.. 1/2
03:38 cornernote         i just wish WE saved chip info
03:38 cornernote         would make it a lot easier to fill areas
03:38 cornernote         did u get your kisses and hugs game working ?
03:40 cornernote         oh, i see what the new wire does
03:40 cornernote         crossover without using 2 nodes high
03:41 cornernote         same as sbi(A,C)sbi(B,D)
03:41 cornernote         yeah, almost all my chips in the LCD encoder have that, would save a lot of chips
03:41 khonkhortisan      I have a pull request that makes world edit understand metadata, I'm waiting on Uberi to merge it.
03:42 cornernote         nice, i'll use that if i need it then
03:42 khonkhortisan      works on chips, furnaces, chests, signs and anything else. But it doesn't save/load metadata yet.
03:42 cornernote         i was thinking of moving my decoder directly behind the number
03:42 khonkhortisan      Need regex for that.
03:42 cornernote         then it can all be enclosed
03:42 khonkhortisan      I don't know which part is the decoder
03:42 cornernote         and then they can be stacked next to each other
03:43 cornernote         each with its own 4bit input
03:43 cornernote         then another machine to make then count past 9
03:44 cornernote         then there is a lot of posibilities to use it as an actual 7 segment display embedded into other machines
03:44 cornernote         a calculator?  =)
03:45 cornernote         using 2x 8bit inputs
03:45 cornernote         like in VanessaE's example
03:46 khonkhortisan      the value is stored in one place, then has multiple ways to go depending on the calculation (divide, multiply, add, subtract) then has to go back where it started, without erasing part of itself before it's all read.
03:48 cornernote         and it has to round to an int for division
03:48 cornernote         it would be really hard i think
03:49 cornernote         i might look up some diagrams and see exactly how hard
03:55 cornernote         seen this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgJfVRhotlQ&feature=related
04:09 cornernote         i hope we get amazing machines like this in mesecons
04:13 khonkhortisan      without all the torches
04:14 cornernote         yeah lol
04:14 cornernote         or this one - a working pong game - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HQOwDCbWs&feature=fvwrel
04:18 khonkhortisan      http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_990373&feature=iv&src_vid=20HQOwDCbWs&v=VbdZtUAaP1w what I'm making, but not so big of a screen
04:21 cornernote         screen is pretty easy to resize later tho, right ?
04:22 cornernote         not uber simple, but not too hard
04:22 khonkhortisan      yeah, just move it and the buttons forward
04:22 cornernote         bigger doesnt mean it needs more width
04:22 cornernote         depth
04:22 cornernote         mine was easier to make narrow once it was bigger
04:26 cornernote         your screen has 18 inputs.. if they are bigger then there is more room to lay the wire out on the floor too
04:26 cornernote         but 1 level is sometimes too tight
04:27 * cornernote       wants redstone tnt
04:27 cornernote         i mean mesecons
04:27 cornernote         =)
04:38 cornernote         we got some spam - http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39830#p39830
04:38 cornernote         oh, there is areport button on the forum
04:56 cornernote         khonkhortisan, what needs to be done to make that wire you made working ?
04:57 cornernote         if it was working, i'd probably redo my design to test it out
08:40 Anelisa            Hello.
08:42 Anelisa            .....
08:45 Anelisa            A person have test too install a Shimeji with Linux ?_?
08:47 Calinou            huh
08:47 Calinou            what's that?
08:47 Anelisa            Look in google (gogole) lol
08:49 Calinou            meh
09:03 RealBadAngel       lol
09:03 RealBadAngel       whats that ... has to do with minetest?
09:05 Anelisa            non.. x)
09:05 Anelisa            no, sorry*
09:05 Anelisa            it's a name japaneese
09:27 PilzAdam           Hello everyone!
09:28 VanessaE           morning all
09:28 VanessaE           hey PilzAdam
09:28 PilzAdam           I spend the whol night to start with a new gameplay section
09:38 wei2912            hi
09:38 wei2912            how do you apply mods in minetest?
09:40 Phitherek_         what OS do you use?
09:40 wei2912            Phitherek_, linux
09:41 Phitherek_         what type of install (from source or packaged in distro)?
09:41 wei2912            packaged in distro
09:41 wei2912            Phitherek_,
09:41 wei2912            i tried ~/.minetest/mods
09:42 Phitherek_         search in /usr/share/minetest
09:42 wei2912            okay
09:42 Phitherek_         there you should have the mods directory
09:42 wei2912            thanks, Phitherek_
09:43 Phitherek_         ah, and you must have write and execution privileges to all mods, make sure that you have
09:43 Calinou            ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/moreblocks/init.lua
09:43 Calinou            ^ example structure
09:43 wei2912            Phitherek_, yes, i do
09:43 Calinou            put mod folders in ~/.minetest/mods/minetest
09:43 wei2912            Calinou: oh, thanks
09:44 wei2912            okay
09:44 wei2912            Phitherek_, Calinou: thanks
09:44 wei2912            let me test..
09:44 Calinou            personally I use self compiled game :p
09:44 Phitherek_         that' s the other way, I think a better one :D
09:44 Phitherek_         @Calinou: Me too ;)
09:44 Phitherek_         the dev version from github :P
09:44 wei2912            i'm just trying it out
09:44 wei2912            i will compile it later :) and maybe join the project
09:48 wei2912            just found out
09:48 wei2912            the packaged version is horribly outdated
09:48 Phitherek_         yeah
09:48 Phitherek_         you can try my gitinstall and gitupdate scripts from forum
09:48 Phitherek_         they are in "related projects" ;)
09:49 wei2912            Phitherek_, okay
09:49 Phitherek_         or do it yourself, cause the scripts are really simple :)
09:49 wei2912            i like scripts more lol
09:49 wei2912            don't want to bother myself with typing the commands
09:50 Phitherek_         that' s just why I created them :P
09:51 Phitherek_         ah, make sure that you have cmake and git ;)
09:53 wei2912            Phitherek_, thanks
09:53 wei2912            found it
09:56 wei2912            checking it out
09:56 PilzAdam           Has anyone here a link to a Minetest review to make better citations in the wikipedia article?
09:58 wei2912            Phitherek_, CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:91 (MESSAGE):  Could NOT find JPEG (missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR)
09:58 Phitherek_         you do not have jpeg development library
09:58 Phitherek_         check for jpeg-devel or jpeg-dev or something like that
10:00 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: Only YouTube ones...
10:02 wei2912            Phitherek_, okay
10:02 wei2912            Could NOT find BZip2 (missing: BZIP2_LIBRARIES BZIP2_INCLUDE_DIR)
10:02 Phitherek_         the same with bzip2-devel
10:02 Phitherek_         :P
10:03 wei2912            Phitherek_, none lol
10:03 Phitherek_         so find something with bzip and devel/dev
10:03 thexyz             wei2912: what's your distro?
10:03 wei2912            thexyz, ubuntu miniml
10:03 wei2912            minimal*
10:04 thexyz             apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev
10:05 wei2912            thexyz: lol
10:06 wei2912            worked :D
10:06 Phitherek_         yeah
10:06 wei2912            thanks
10:06 Phitherek_         the line that installs all build dependencies
10:11 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: Found http://gameboom.net/games/minetest
10:11 PilzAdam           this copy and paste from minetest.net
10:12 PilzAdam           Multiple users can connect to these servers at once and chat, exchange materials, build together, fight together, etc. This also offers the ability for users to fight against each other as well (a function known as Player-vs-Player)
10:13 PilzAdam           oops ignore that
10:13 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: but here are the small user-reviews: http://gameboom.net/gamereviews/2578
10:13 Phitherek_         that's the only thing I found (besides YouTube) by now
10:14 Phitherek_         oh, here is http://musicxs.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/a-review-of-minetest/
10:14 PilzAdam           this is a blog
10:15 wei2912            Phitherek_, what's the command?
10:15 Phitherek_         ah
10:15 wei2912            for git releases
10:15 Phitherek_         you must cd into directory, where you built it and bin subdirectory
10:15 Phitherek_         there you have minetest and minetestserver
10:16 Phitherek_         it' s an in-place installation, not a whole-system one
10:16 Phitherek_         but you can add in your ~/.bashrc something like
10:17 Phitherek_         alias minetest_dev='/path/to/minetest/build/bin/minetest'
10:17 Phitherek_         i do it that way and it' s rather comfortable ;)
10:17 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: I'm still digging ;)
10:18 PilzAdam           i was searching hours and only found 2
10:20 wei2912            Phitherek_, oh
10:20 wei2912            no wonder
10:21 VanessaE           for comparison, I have a system-wide install (of 0.4.2-latest git), as well as a couple of run-in-place installs for testing.
10:21 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: yeah, it' s really hard to find one
10:21 Phitherek_         most reviews are in movies on YouTube
10:22 PilzAdam           i know
10:22 PilzAdam           there should be video wikipedia with citations from youtube
10:23 Phitherek_         yeah ;)
10:24 jin_xi             hey guys
10:24 PilzAdam           hi
10:24 jin_xi             did ya check c55's blog? cool timelapse of him doing ludumdare
10:27 PilzAdam           jin_xi, i can prog faster ;-)
10:28 jin_xi             well, you're a wizard ;)
10:28 wei2912            Phitherek_, can't create a minetest world
10:29 Phitherek_         ok, now that' s a problem
10:29 wei2912            lol
10:29 wei2912            have you updated?
10:29 Phitherek_         check your permissions ;)
10:31 wei2912            oh
10:31 wei2912            lol
10:33 Phitherek_         hmmm, it' s exactly the same version I have
10:33 Phitherek_         for me it works
10:33 Phitherek_         no updates since I installed it
10:34 Phitherek_         btw. if it' s a permission problem let me know, maybe I will have to update the scripts
10:35 wei2912            Phitherek_, okay works now
10:35 wei2912            it's a permission problem
10:36 Phitherek_         ok
10:36 wei2912            yay
10:36 wei2912            looks like minecraft!
10:36 wei2912            finally lol
10:36 Phitherek_         now tell me what permissions do you have where :P
10:36 wei2912            rwx
10:36 Phitherek_         for user or a+rwx
10:36 Phitherek_         ?
10:36 wei2912            ugo+rwx
10:36 Phitherek_         so a+rwx ;)
10:36 wei2912            yup
10:36 wei2912            lol
10:37 Phitherek_         ok, everywhere or just in worlds?
10:37 wei2912            everywhere
10:37 Phitherek_         ok
10:37 Phitherek_         so I will fix it in a while ;)
10:37 Phitherek_         thank you
10:39 wei2912            no flying?
10:39 wei2912            lol
10:40 wei2912            Phitherek_, have to say gj to the developers
10:42 Phitherek_         try on the forum or on delta channel ;)
10:42 Phitherek_         I' m not a developer (yet)
10:42 wei2912            lol
10:43 Phitherek_         but maybe, maybe, when I will learn more...
10:43 Phitherek_         and have more time
10:44 Phitherek_         scripts updated, thank you once again
10:44 Phitherek_         :)
10:45 wei2912            Phitherek_, btw
10:45 wei2912            how do you get the furnace working?
10:45 wei2912            minecraft noob here
10:45 VanessaE           put fuel in the lower left slot and something to cook in the upper left.
10:46 VanessaE           (after you right-click on the furnace)
10:46 VanessaE           fuel can be wood, coal, lava, anything else that looks like it'll burn pretty much
10:46 PilzAdam           there should be something like #minetest-tutorial
10:46 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: good idea
10:46 wei2912            VanessaE, thanks
10:46 VanessaE           "something to cook" depends on your mods, but for example it might be clay lumps (which become bricks), or sand (which becomes glass)
10:46 wei2912            PilzAdam, lol
10:47 Phitherek_         VanessaE: fuel too, for example molten stone from lavacooling ;)
10:47 wei2912            any support for windows for 4.1rc2?
10:47 VanessaE           wei2912: it's 0.4.2-rc1
10:47 wei2912            0.4.2rc1*
10:47 wei2912            lol
10:47 PilzAdam           i want 4.2
10:47 VanessaE           and I think sfan5 made a build of it
10:47 Phitherek_         PilzAdam: yeah, me too :D
10:47 wei2912            VanessaE, sry
10:48 VanessaE           wei2912: it's okay - so many people get that wrong and it drives me nutz :-)
10:48 Phitherek_         I made that kind of mistake in a forum post once ;)
10:48 VanessaE           (a short drive, I admit)
10:49 jin_xi             >_>
10:50 wei2912            any windows build?
10:50 Phitherek_         yes, there is
10:50 wei2912            Phitherek_, oh?
10:50 Phitherek_         check c55.me/blog
10:50 wei2912            can you make a windows installer with cmake?
10:50 wei2912            i think you could do so with make
10:51 Phitherek_         hm, it seems to me that with cmake it should be even simpler
10:52 wei2912            Phitherek_, hmm
10:52 Phitherek_         because on Linux it has graphical setup also and is generally more user-friendly than standard GNU make
10:53 Phitherek_         or should I say developer-friendly ;)
10:53 wei2912            lol
10:55 Phitherek_         not to mention autotools and GNU Build System... This is hard, I have not learned them yet
10:55 Kray               did you mean: autoshit
10:56 Kray               or autocrap
10:56 Phitherek_         Kray: :D
10:56 Kray               it is something awful
10:57 Phitherek_         yeah, I tried to learn how to use it, but I did not understand it ;)
10:58 Kray               it is perfectly fine if you don't understand it
10:58 Kray               autotools just shouldn't exist
11:00 Phitherek_         at least it was a try to make things portable ;)
11:00 Phitherek_         and it kind of works :D
11:00 Kray               portable my ass
11:01 Kray               and lots of things "kind of" work
11:02 Phitherek_         well, it is used by many projects out there, so it works
11:02 Phitherek_         but the configuration...
11:02 Kray               something being widely used does not mean it's good
11:02 Phitherek_         I did not say it' s good... I said it works ;)
11:08 wei2912            Phitherek_, will google :D
11:09 Phitherek_         wei2912: check NSIS
11:09 Phitherek_         it' s quite good install engine in my opinion
11:10 wei2912            Phitherek_, okay thanks
11:12 wei2912            lol
11:12 wei2912            tried the tnt mod and it blasted loads of stuff
11:16 wei2912            argh
11:19 * PilzAdam         is away: Busy
11:20 thexyz             damn, stop doing this
11:21 wei2912            lol
11:26 wei2912            any good mods you know?
11:28 VanessaE           I could plug my own here ;-)
11:28 Phitherek_         I recommend animatedtorches by ^^
11:28 VanessaE           but anyway get mesecons, animals, animated torches, moreblocks, moreores
11:29 VanessaE           bobblocks is nice too
11:29 thexyz             yes, yes, get animals
11:29 thexyz             but before you do this get supercomputer
11:29 Phitherek_         animals can cause problems
11:29 Phitherek_         yeah
11:29 thexyz             so it will not lag
11:29 Phitherek_         thexyz: exactly
11:29 VanessaE           you may also like particles, flowers, conifers, and timber
11:30 Phitherek_         hmm, you could give a try to mobs mod by c55 ;)
11:30 thexyz             snow biomes is good mod too
11:30 Phitherek_         particles, yeag
11:30 Phitherek_         *yeah
11:30 thexyz             don't like particles that much
11:31 thexyz             they bring nothing to gameplay
11:31 thexyz             only causes lags
11:31 wei2912            how do we fly?
11:31 VanessaE           thexyz: not everything has to be about the gameplay, and I've never seen particles cause any lags
11:31 wei2912            okay so...
11:31 VanessaE           wei2912: /grant singleplayer all
11:31 VanessaE           then hit k to enable it, and spacebar and e to go up and down
11:32 wei2912            animals, animated torches, moreblocks, supercomputer, bobblocks, animals, flowers, conifers, timber, mobs mod, snow biomes?
11:32 wei2912            lol
11:32 wei2912            time to use google
11:32 VanessaE           supercomputer was a joke, wei2912 :-)
11:32 VanessaE           don't use google
11:32 thexyz             VanessaE: well, particles are implemented using entities
11:32 VanessaE           use the forums
11:32 Phitherek_         wei2912: you can try my modpack ;) http://www.mediafire.com/?me50d17qq2lbnxm
11:32 VanessaE           thexyz: yes, and they're moved around using the physics engine in the game
11:32 Phitherek_         there are the most of these
11:32 thexyz             i think c55 can tell you how is that damn wrong ^^
11:33 wei2912            VanessaE, lol
11:33 wei2912            sort of knew it
11:33 wei2912            lol
11:33 VanessaE           e.g. set-velocity, set-acceleration
11:33 wei2912            Phitherek_, thanks
11:33 * PilzAdam         is back (gone 00:14:09)
11:33 thexyz             oh fuck, again
11:33 VanessaE           thexyz: maybe, but how else is someone supposed to to it?
11:34 thexyz             VanessaE: by writing patch & sending it to celeron
11:34 Phitherek_         wei2912:but delete anything that you don' t like from this modpack
11:34 VanessaE           thexyz: ...and waiting 6 months for him to include it, by which time it'll be outdated and broken.
11:34 wei2912            Phitherek_, okay
11:34 wei2912            spamming mods
11:34 thexyz             VanessaE: yes, that'd be definetly better
11:35 VanessaE           thexyz: I chatted with him last night, he's NOT in a very good place re: minetest right now.
11:35 VanessaE           "you'll have to help yourselves" etc.
11:35 wei2912            okay
11:35 wei2912            brb
11:35 VanessaE           submitting a patch that does anything other than fix some critical bug is likely to just be ignored.
11:35 VanessaE           I think the github issue list is proof of that/
11:35 thexyz             then make your own fork
11:36 thexyz             and merge all patches you think are worth to merge
11:36 Phitherek_         VanessaE: And pull request list also ;)
11:36 VanessaE           Phitherek_:  yep, I'm counting that.
11:37 wei2912            testing
11:38 wei2912            argh
11:38 wei2912            too many mods
11:38 thexyz             btw, wei2912, this is another one "good mod" http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2671
11:38 wei2912            takes long to load
11:38 Phitherek_         wei2912: maybe, but worth it in my opinion
11:38 Phitherek_         I use all of them ;)
11:38 VanessaE           thexyz: yet another copy-and-expand shit
11:38 Phitherek_         on a netbook :D
11:39 wei2912            Phitherek_, all oft hem? lol
11:39 thexyz             VanessaE: ?
11:39 VanessaE           I mean really.  bronze?  gold?  brass?  this stuff already exists.
11:39 wei2912            argh
11:39 wei2912            block spamz
11:39 thexyz             VanessaE: have you tried reading whole topic?
11:40 VanessaE           I have read it.
11:40 wei2912            nether portal!
11:40 wei2912            ???
11:40 thexyz             when making my mod i don't care if some stuff already exists
11:40 wei2912            what just happened lol
11:40 thexyz             because in most cases this stuff is implemented not in way i want it to be implemented
11:40 thexyz             like doors
11:40 thexyz             or panes
11:40 thexyz             or default fences
11:40 PilzAdam           thexyz, +1
11:41 VanessaE           if you can improve on something, that's great, but if all you're doing is duplicating an existing function without any improvement, then spend your time on something else.
11:41 VanessaE           in other words, there was no reason for him to include gold, silver, et.al
11:41 VanessaE           use moreores and depend on it instead.
11:41 wei2912            Phitherek_, what's worldtime?
11:41 thexyz             PilzAdam: oh you made c55 wake up
11:42 thexyz             VanessaE: just no
11:42 Phitherek_         ah, that was a dependency :P
11:42 PilzAdam           thexyz, lol
11:42 Phitherek_         but now you can safely remove it, I think
11:42 wei2912            lol
11:42 thexyz             VanessaE: moreores is not realistic
11:42 VanessaE           so rather than allow a few dependencies on light-weight mods, you'd rather re-invent the wheel and have a dozen things that all do something vaguely similar?
11:42 thexyz             that mod claims to be realistic
11:42 wei2912            the implementation of the  "hell" world is weird
11:43 thexyz             VanessaE: you know, that's how opensource works
11:44 wei2912            nvm
11:44 wei2912            no need to argue
11:44 wei2912            cleared off some things i don't like
11:45 Phitherek_         wei2912: yeah, nether mod is maybe weird, but at least it works - pretty good
11:45 Phitherek_         ;)
11:45 wei2912            somewhat buggy
11:45 wei2912            a lot of error messags
11:45 NekoGloop          Well hello there
11:46 wei2912            hi NekoGloop
11:46 wei2912            Phitherek_, where's the nether mod?
11:46 PilzAdam           Hi NekoGloop
11:46 wei2912            ah wait found it
11:46 Phitherek_         hi NekoGloop
11:47 NekoGloop          Too many hl's!! :P
11:47 VanessaE           hey NekoGloop
11:47 VanessaE           ;)
11:47 NekoGloop          AAAAUUUUGH
11:47 VanessaE           NekoGloop: what's wrong with highlighting?  I thought we were supposed to do that? ;-)
11:47 NekoGloop          anyway whatcha all up to?
11:47 wei2912            Phitherek_, do you know how to resolve the ServerError: Failed to bind socket (port already in use) without restarting?
11:48 NekoGloop          VanessaE: Only when you are talking to me with something important to say
11:48 Phitherek_         wei2912: lol, I'm not a developer, idk :D
11:48 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I have very little important to say :-)
11:48 Phitherek_         did not happen to me
11:48 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I'm just trying to bug the shit out of you now...because it's fun :D
11:48 wei2912            off to restarting
11:48 NekoGloop          Vanessae
11:49 NekoGloop          Vanessae
11:49 NekoGloop          Vanessae
11:50 NekoGloop          \:D/
11:50 VanessaE           heh
11:50 NekoGloop          Trololololol! :D
11:50 Phitherek_         :D
11:50 VanessaE           doesn't bother me any  :-)
11:51 NekoGloop          Well screw you too. :D
11:51 thexyz             am i the only one who hates those messages? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39791#p39791
11:51 wei2912            back
11:51 VanessaE           the conflict warning?
11:51 wei2912            wth
11:51 thexyz             yes
11:51 thexyz             why should i care?
11:52 wei2912            34*6*4 textures :P
11:52 PilzAdam           i was first :-)
11:52 thexyz             oh, nice
11:52 wei2912            nice trolling
11:52 thexyz             let me create mod which uses all possible recipes
11:52 VanessaE           without a database of craft recipes and a way to crosscheck them against a new proposal, what else can we do?
11:52 thexyz             just one moment…
11:52 Phitherek_         VanessaE: Right! There should be a database with craft recipes from all mods
11:53 VanessaE           Phitherek_: there is cornernote's database, but it doesn't perform the suggested search-and-crosscheck
11:53 thexyz             Phitherek_: there is one
11:53 thexyz             but, anyway
11:53 thexyz             i think this is users' problem
11:53 thexyz             not mod developer
11:53 PilzAdam           Phitherek_, maybe rubenwardy can add this to his new forum
11:53 PilzAdam           thexyz, mod developers are users
11:53 VanessaE           no, it's the mod developer's problem too
11:53 thexyz             no
11:54 Phitherek_         yeah, I checked it out and it seems a good idea
11:54 thexyz             mod developer > user
11:54 thexyz             VanessaE: don't think so
11:54 PilzAdam           mod developer >= iser
11:54 PilzAdam           *user
11:54 Phitherek_         >=, +1
11:54 NekoGloop          Mod developer = me
11:54 * NekoGloop        runs
11:54 VanessaE           thexyz: why should the user be forbidden from using two mods together just because a mod developer didn't care to use unique recipes?
11:55 NekoGloop          Example: mesecons and first version trash can
11:55 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, if you were a real developer you would write ==
11:55 Phitherek_         VanessaE +1
11:55 PilzAdam           VanessaE +1
11:55 thexyz             VanessaE: why should mod developer use recipes he doesn't like? just because somebody used it in his mod before?
11:55 NekoGloop          PilzAdam: I was setting the variable :3
11:55 VanessaE           there are 205 trillion possible recipes assuming 15 different blocks that can be used.
11:55 Phitherek_         PilzAdam +1 :D
11:56 * PilzAdam         takes the 1
11:56 PilzAdam           thx
11:56 wei2912            how do we fly?
11:56 VanessaE           (probably half that amount once you factor in shapeless recipes)
11:56 Calinou            wei2912, in singleplayer, type /grant singleplayer all
11:56 VanessaE           wei2912: /grant singleplayer all  -- then hit 'k' to enable it and space and e to go up and down
11:56 PilzAdam           wei2912, you need the fly priv and hit k
11:56 Calinou            then press K to fly
11:56 Calinou            and J to toggle "fast mode"
11:56 wei2912            lol
11:56 wei2912            oh thanks
11:57 thexyz             half?
11:57 Calinou            on most multiplayer servers you cannot fly
11:57 VanessaE           thexyz: a rough guess, I'm not sure of the math.
11:57 PilzAdam           Calinou, if you dont use a hack client ;-)
11:57 * NekoGloop        flips a table out of boredom
11:57 * Calinou          crafts the Boredom Table(R)
11:58 VanessaE           thexyz: but how many are possible without shapeless is easy  9^items for however many items you have available.
11:58 * VanessaE         adds a comma.
11:58 thexyz             you mean, items^9, right?
11:58 VanessaE           no,
11:58 VanessaE           wait yeah
11:58 VanessaE           shit
11:58 Phitherek_         hmm
11:58 NekoGloop          With workbench that's even higher
11:58 thexyz             then items^9/9!
11:58 Phitherek_         there is a workbench mod...
11:58 VanessaE           in that case make it 38 billion recipes
11:58 VanessaE           :-)
11:58 wei2912            thanks Calinou VanessaE PilzAdam
11:58 VanessaE           either way it's a metric assload.
11:58 PilzAdam           thexyz, (items+1)^9
11:59 thexyz             PilzAdam: no
11:59 NekoGloop          VanessaE: Dont forget the workbench mod ;)
11:59 thexyz             assume that all cells are taken
11:59 PilzAdam           look at pickaxe, there are free spaces
11:59 VanessaE           yes, with workbench it's items^25
11:59 NekoGloop          thexyz: He's counting an empty cell...
11:59 thexyz             anyway
11:59 thexyz             that's ton of recipes
11:59 VanessaE           exactly my point
11:59 NekoGloop          Yes
12:00 PilzAdam           nope
12:00 Phitherek_         why not? :D
12:00 thexyz             but i (as modmaker) want my canvas to be crafted like
12:00 thexyz             paper paper
12:00 thexyz             paper paper
12:00 VanessaE           there's no excuse except for the lack of a cross-checking database, to choose a recipe someone else has already used, unless you're intending to replace the previous mods' functionality.
12:00 PilzAdam           Phitherek_, a ton is 1000 kg
12:00 Phitherek_         ah
12:00 Phitherek_         right :D
12:00 thexyz             PilzAdam: why not?
12:01 PilzAdam           a ton is 1000 kg
12:01 NekoGloop          And i wonder how many more mods will (ab)use these amounts of recipes
12:01 thexyz             then one recipe can be written on piece of paper
12:01 VanessaE           thexyz: but canvas is not made from paper.  shouldn't it be crafted from something more similar to it such as dry shrubs maybe?
12:02 thexyz             let's say we can write any recipe on 5×5cm piece
12:02 NekoGloop          Dry shrubs should be craftable into paper, maybe 8 of them and a water bucket?
12:02 thexyz             with paper density 80 grams/m^2
12:02 PilzAdam           thexyz, there are also canvases made of cotton
12:03 VanessaE           NekoGloop: 8+water -> paper pulp -> furnace -> paper
12:03 VanessaE           if you wanted to be somewhat realistic
12:03 thexyz             VanessaE: i want my canvas to be made of paper
12:03 NekoGloop          Good idea. But this is minetest not real lofe.
12:03 NekoGloop          life*
12:03 VanessaE           thexyz: why not wool?  that's in the default game and makes more sense than using paper
12:03 wei2912            how do i change it to daylight?
12:03 NekoGloop          wei2912: /time 6000
12:04 thexyz             PilzAdam: so there are 5000000 recipes in one ton
12:04 wei2912            suprisingly it works lol
12:04 PilzAdam           VanessaE, c55 replies on -deb
12:04 PilzAdam           *dev
12:04 VanessaE           NekoGloop: just because it isn't real life doesn't automatically make it okay to do something illogical if a more logical method is as easily done.  Otherwise why can we smelt clay -> brick, sand -> glass, or craft twees -> wood planks?
12:04 VanessaE           trees*
12:04 NekoGloop          no twees :3
12:05 thexyz             VanessaE: i (as mod maker) want it to be made of paper.
12:05 NekoGloop          wei2912: Because i use it a lot?
12:05 thexyz             there also may be some reasons to do so
12:05 wei2912            NekoGloop, lol
12:06 NekoGloop          VanessaE: i know but paper pulp is an incredibly unknown part of that process. Besides, then the same would be needed for papyrus.
12:07 VanessaE           true
12:07 NekoGloop          Anyway
12:08 VanessaE           thexyz: as the mod maker that's fine - unless someone before you already used paper.  Then you are limiting the user's ability to use the two mods, since there's no way to be sure which mod will take precedence.
12:08 VanessaE           (already used paper -> used that particular recipe)
12:08 NekoGloop          I think that we need some kind of grass b
12:08 thexyz             ok, that's nice
12:08 NekoGloop          block that is crafted from 9 junglegrass
12:08 thexyz             at least they can't make me to change recipe
12:09 VanessaE           NekoGloop: junglegrass has four types plus of course the game has wool and dry shrub
12:09 NekoGloop          VanessaE: I mean a grass block from 9 junglegrass, using default_grass.png (or whatever it is) on all sides
12:10 NekoGloop          That would be cool imo
12:10 VanessaE           right, I got you
12:10 PilzAdam           <thexyz> because in most cases this stuff is implemented not in way i want it to be implemented
12:10 VanessaE           I think bobblocks has such a thing, or that 'home' mod
12:10 PilzAdam           thexyz, when you use a recipe that is used in another mod the peolple wont like your mode and remake it
12:11 PilzAdam           thats what you wrote
12:11 thexyz             PilzAdam: i don't care
12:11 thexyz             most of my mods are under wtfpl
12:11 NekoGloop          VanessaE: Nope bobblocks doesnt, but what home mod are you talking of?
12:12 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I can't remember the name of it now
12:12 wei2912            anyone interested to help me with my weird history project? lol
12:12 NekoGloop          Lol
12:13 jin_xi             history is obsolete
12:13 thexyz             wei2912: so ontopic
12:13 NekoGloop          You are obsolete. Prepare to be removed.
12:13 wei2912            lol
12:13 * jin_xi           is removed
12:14 wei2912            we're supposed to create a civilisation in minecraft (as you know i switched to minetest)
12:14 wei2912            more on-topic now i suppose?
12:15 Phitherek_         wei2912: wtf? So you are trying to say that this is your homework?
12:15 wei2912            somewhat
12:15 wei2912            lolz
12:15 wei2912            no minetest was an experiment
12:15 wei2912            i was curious :P
12:17 VanessaE           what the hell was the name of it...
12:17 wei2912            VanessaE, ?
12:18 NekoGloop          She's trying to think of the name of the mod
12:18 VanessaE           wei2912: trying to remember the name of the mod I referenced earlier
12:18 PilzAdam           what mod?
12:19 VanessaE           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=674
12:19 VanessaE           got it
12:19 VanessaE           "fake grass" = junglegrass? + dirt
12:20 wei2912            sigh
12:20 NekoGloop          Nononono
12:20 wei2912            now i need EditWorld
12:20 wei2912            btw
12:20 VanessaE           wei2912: worldedit you mean
12:20 NekoGloop          I mean one with grass on all sides
12:20 wei2912            worldedit*
12:20 wei2912            lol
12:20 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I know, just syaing that's the recipe it used
12:20 wei2912            btw if you host a server with mods, will the mods apply to all clients?
12:20 VanessaE           so maybe dirt + 6 junglegrass :-)
12:21 VanessaE           wei2912: yes
12:21 VanessaE           wei2912: the server runs the code
12:21 wei2912            VanessaE, okay thanks
12:21 NekoGloop          Maybe dirt in the middle and junglegrass in a cross around it?
12:21 wei2912            i can rest assured
12:21 VanessaE           wei2912: and sends the imagery, sounds, etc. to the cliens
12:21 VanessaE           wei2912: but note that your client-side mods, e.g. what you use in singleplayer mode, will not be used.
12:21 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, you also can use weed from my farming mod
12:21 VanessaE           HA!
12:21 VanessaE           here's the author of building blocks now :-)
12:21 wei2912            VanessaE, okay
12:21 VanessaE           hey sdzen
12:22 wei2912            how do i use editworld?
12:22 VanessaE           wei2912: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=572
12:22 VanessaE           read the instructions therein :-)
12:22 wei2912            VanessaE, i did
12:22 wei2912            blockname
12:23 wei2912            refers to?
12:23 NekoGloop          The name of the block?
12:23 VanessaE           refers to the name of the node you want to change, e.g. default:dirt or moreblocks:glowglass
12:23 VanessaE           (or whatever the latter is named exactly)
12:23 wei2912            oh
12:23 VanessaE           wei2912: so for example, if you want to change a bunch of stone in an area to glass,
12:24 wei2912            can i use "Desert Stone"?
12:24 wei2912            "Desert Sand"*
12:24 wei2912            ol
12:24 VanessaE           //replace default:stone default:glass
12:24 wei2912            lol
12:24 wei2912            oh thanks
12:24 VanessaE           oh sure, you can operate on any block you want
12:24 PilzAdam           default:desert_sand
12:24 VanessaE           wei2912: in many cases, the default: part is unnecessary
12:24 wei2912            okay
12:25 NekoGloop          But only for default ones!
12:25 wei2912            any windows installer avaliable?
12:25 VanessaE           NekoGloop: for anything with an alias
12:25 VanessaE           wei2912: it's a mod, it doesn't need an installer - none of them do
12:25 VanessaE           just unzip it and copy it to your minetest mods folder.
12:25 PilzAdam           the aliases are in the legacy mod
12:25 wei2912            VanessaE, not the mod, the game itself lol
12:25 VanessaE           wei2912: oh.  eh..  ask sfan5 :D
12:26 VanessaE           PilzAdam: other mods have them too
12:26 PilzAdam           i know
12:26 wei2912            sfan5 is afk
12:26 NekoGloop          The game itself?
12:27 NekoGloop          Pfft get the already compiled version from the blog
12:27 VanessaE           NekoGloop: it's out of date.
12:27 PilzAdam           VanessaE, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2778
12:27 NekoGloop          Really?
12:27 VanessaE           there have been a few bugfixes since then already
12:27 VanessaE           PilzAdam: nice
12:28 PilzAdam           what should i add?
12:28 VanessaE           PilzAdam: everything :D
12:28 NekoGloop          Well then someone upload their compiled version. We need someone to do this on a more constant basisi
12:28 NekoGloop          basis*
12:28 VanessaE           homedecor, moreblocks, moreores, the whole smash
12:28 wei2912            lol
12:29 wei2912            VanessaE, i don't think newer versions are backward-compatible?
12:29 NekoGloop          gloopblocks, gloopores, toolsizes... :3
12:29 VanessaE           wei2912: 0.4.2 -> 0.4.1, no
12:29 wei2912            okay thanks
12:29 wei2912            now to figure out how to use cmake to create a windows installer...
12:29 VanessaE           but it's not considered the "stable" branch yet
12:29 wei2912            VanessaE, yup
12:29 VanessaE           that said, most mods work across multiple 0.4 versions
12:31 NekoGloop          Most mods that just add some tools/nodes arent going to be a problem
12:31 NekoGloop          Hm... I wanna write an extension for mesecons but i dont understand the api...
12:34 NekoGloop          Then again what's left to add?
12:35 wei2912            can't use it properly?
12:35 NekoGloop          What?
12:35 wei2912            worldedit
12:35 VanessaE           NekoGloop: the API is here:  http://mesecons.net23.net/developers.html
12:36 VanessaE           ( rest of the website:  http://mesecons.net23.net/ )
12:36 NekoGloop          I know about that
12:36 VanessaE           ok
12:37 wei2912            VanessaE, i get an error when i use worldedit
12:37 wei2912            let me look at it...
12:37 NekoGloop          How do i actually make a receptor do something useful?
12:37 VanessaE           wei2912: what error, and what commands did you execute exactly?
12:37 VanessaE           NekoGloop: that's up to your code.
12:37 NekoGloop          Heh, so helpful
12:37 wei2912            Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "air" at (-4, 1, 4) (block (-4, 1, 4))
12:38 wei2912            VanessaE, //set desert_sand
12:38 NekoGloop          I dont think desert_sand is the name of the node
12:38 PilzAdam           wei2912, you use a wrong nodename
12:38 VanessaE           if you register an effector (an item that responds to a mesecons signal), you still have to write the code to actually to do the response, such as exchanging one node for another or making something pop out/up
12:38 wei2912            if it is of any use to you, there was darkness but "air" wasn't replaced
12:38 wei2912            PlizAdam: oh?
12:38 VanessaE           wei2912: try default:desert_sand
12:38 PilzAdam           wei2912, use default:desert_sand
12:38 wei2912            okay
12:38 wei2912            ah works
12:38 wei2912            thanks a lot :D
12:38 wei2912            VanessaE, PilzAdam
12:39 VanessaE           wei2912: and you may have to try several times, and fly around the area being modified, to force the game to load the map for those areas
12:39 VanessaE           (even if they're just air)
12:39 wei2912            lol
12:40 VanessaE           NekoGloop: but anyway, what you have to do with receptors is first you need to come up with an action that should turn the receptor on
12:40 VanessaE           i.e. an on_puch declaration or something
12:41 VanessaE           and of course define two nodes, one for the 'off' state and one for the 'on' state.  then you have to register both the 'on' and 'off' versions of that node with the mesecons API
12:41 NekoGloop          Hmm... I want one that detects lava, similar to the water detector
12:41 VanessaE           then mesecons should "just work"
12:41 NekoGloop          Well and add it to mesecons group ;)
12:41 VanessaE           NekoGloop: ok, you'll have to code a node that can detect lava and which does something in response, e.g. turning 'on' and 'off'
12:41 VanessaE           yes, to the groups part.
12:42 NekoGloop          Well i could just copy the water detector :3
12:42 VanessaE           yep that would work too
12:42 VanessaE           though it may be easier to roll your own :-)
12:42 wei2912            crashed lol
12:43 NekoGloop          Heh
12:43 NekoGloop          If i make it how difficult would it be to get it on the website?
12:43 VanessaE           depends
12:43 VanessaE           you want it to be a part of mesecons
12:43 VanessaE           ?
12:43 VanessaE           you know how to use github right?
12:44 NekoGloop          I do not know how to use github
12:44 VanessaE           well learn how to use it :D
12:44 VanessaE           then when you're ready, create an account, fork mesecons, make your changes, push them to your repository, then submit a pull request against the official one.
12:44 wei2912            anyone knows a desert sand generator?
12:44 wei2912            desert sand world generator*
12:44 VanessaE           if it works well enough, sfan5 or I will merge them, at which point they become official
12:45 NekoGloop          wei2912: There used to be a desert mod, but i think its outdated
12:45 VanessaE           I would suggest you make the lava detector yourself though, since the water detector is really a hydro turbine and meant to suggest generating power
12:45 VanessaE           perhaps you can make a geothermal generator
12:45 VanessaE           I think jeija wants that
12:46 wei2912            NekoGloop, :(
12:46 NekoGloop          I wanna detect lava below the detector by about 3 blocks
12:46 VanessaE           NekoGloop: ok
12:46 VanessaE           NekoGloop: get started by making a node that can detect the lava, forget about mesecons for a bit
12:46 wei2912            NekoGloop, or at least replace all grass with sand
12:46 NekoGloop          But im not at my computer right now to fiddle with code
12:47 VanessaE           give it on/off states, make it change state by replacing itself when it detects and loses track of the lava
12:47 VanessaE           hey RealBadAngel
12:47 RealBadAngel       hi all
12:47 RealBadAngel       hi VanessaE
12:48 RealBadAngel       whats up?
12:48 PilzAdam           hi RealBadAngel
12:48 NekoGloop          Shes yellin at me about mesecons api while i'm not at my computer to do anything. :)
12:48 wei2912            VanessaE, what's grass?
12:48 VanessaE           default:grass :-)
12:48 wei2912            grass node name*
12:48 wei2912            oh thanks
12:49 wei2912            tried glass slab but didn't work
12:49 PilzAdam           wei2912, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass
12:49 RealBadAngel       one question: to run minetest server on linux box graphics is needed?
12:49 wei2912            grass*
12:49 wei2912            PilzAdam, any reason to give me that link? lol
12:49 wei2912            lol
12:49 PilzAdam           <VanessaE> default:grass :-)
12:49 wei2912            <wei2912> VanessaE, what's grass? <wei2912> grass node name*
12:49 PilzAdam           oops
12:50 NekoGloop          PilzAdam: Smartass
12:50 wei2912            no
12:51 wei2912            it's default:dirt_with_grass
12:51 RealBadAngel       anybody?
12:51 ray8888            yes
12:52 VanessaE           oops you're right wei2912
12:52 VanessaE           I forgot
12:52 wei2912            this is mind screwing :(
12:52 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: yes it is needed :-/
12:52 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: or rather, graphics *support* is needed
12:52 VanessaE           but the server is command-line
12:52 VanessaE           it just can't be built without enough libraries in place to actually build the client
12:52 RealBadAngel       i will have just ssh to it
12:53 RealBadAngel       50gb space and unlimited bandwith
12:53 VanessaE           cool
12:53 VanessaE           still, you'll need those things to build the server, though you might not need them to *run* it
12:53 RealBadAngel       10 days to test it if will work
12:53 VanessaE           maybe if you build it locally and upload it to the server machine
12:54 RealBadAngel       then 9,90 pln / month which makes cira 4 euro per month
12:54 VanessaE           nice
12:54 VanessaE           that's about what I pay for my website and I don't get shell access :-/
12:55 RealBadAngel       try 1and1.com
12:55 RealBadAngel       they have nice offers
12:55 RealBadAngel       without shell i get 20gb 2yrs free of charge
12:55 RealBadAngel       with a domain too
12:56 VanessaE           ick, VPS's there are expensive.
12:56 VanessaE           US $49/mo after the first three months
12:56 RealBadAngel       i took .pl but could have org or somethin too
12:58 RealBadAngel       lookin at 1and1.com lol
12:58 RealBadAngel       prices are much higher than on 1and1.pl
12:58 RealBadAngel       strange ehehe
12:58 wei2912            argh
12:58 wei2912            land conversion is so tedious
12:59 VanessaE           wei2912: well the game is meant to be played on an ongoing basis after all
12:59 wei2912            VanessaE, lol
13:01 RealBadAngel       so 50gb space, transfer not limited, email, mysql, ftp, ssh, linux box - 4 euro / month
13:01 RealBadAngel       just readin email with offer they sent me
13:02 RealBadAngel       and one domain within .pl
13:02 wei2912            VanessaE, any suggestion for converting grass into desert?
13:03 wei2912            you can join in to help if you want :P
13:03 wei2912            wei2912server.sytes.net
13:03 VanessaE           to automatically convert it, write a mod that uses an ABM to slowly transform it
13:03 wei2912            VanessaE, lol
13:03 wei2912            i'm doing a quick way
13:03 wei2912            using worldedit
13:04 VanessaE           heh
13:05 wei2912            i just created a sand wall :P
13:06 VanessaE           heh
13:07 wei2912            time for one click destroy mod :P
13:10 PilzAdam           wei2912, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=15083#p15083
13:10 wei2912            PilzAdam, yup using it now
13:15 * NekoGloop        flips a table out of boredom
13:15 wei2912            NekoGloop, want to join me?
13:15 PilzAdam           again?
13:15 wei2912            wei2912server.sytes.net
13:15 * VanessaE         catches the table and rights it
13:15 wei2912            i need some help with destroying a damn wall
13:15 wei2912            lol
13:15 * NekoGloop        lol's
13:15 VanessaE           wei2912: worldedit it.  replace it with air.
13:15 NekoGloop          I'm on my ipad, did you miss that from the mesecons discussion?
13:16 VanessaE           (or use the //dig command)
13:16 wei2912            VanessaE, lol
13:16 wei2912            nice idea
13:16 wei2912            NekoGloop, no
13:17 wei2912            VanessaE, nvm
13:17 wei2912            single click destroy is more fun
13:17 wei2912            lol
13:20 wei2912            NekoGloop, didn't know that*
13:20 wei2912            sry lol
13:20 wei2912            anyone free?
13:21 PilzAdam           monolog?
13:21 wei2912            lolk
13:21 wei2912            PilzAdam, not really ever since you joined
13:21 wei2912            off to restart
13:24 wei2912            restoring everything
13:27 VanessaE           wei2912: get maptools also
13:27 wei2912            VanessaE, okay
13:28 VanessaE           it has a very useful pickaxe that's as good as one-click-destroy but you get to keep what you dig :-)
13:28 wei2912            VanessaE, what does that do?
13:28 wei2912            oh
13:28 VanessaE           (among other stuff of course)
13:28 VanessaE           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1882
13:29 wei2912            admin pickaxe?
13:30 VanessaE           yup
13:31 VanessaE           NekoGloop: your full grass block is in there btw :-)
13:31 NekoGloop          Oh ok :O
13:32 VanessaE           (except it's "unbreakable" except with an admin pick)
13:32 VanessaE           (I'm sure that can be toned down a bit)
13:34 wei2912            wait a moment
13:34 VanessaE           no. :-)
13:34 wei2912            did i just put hardcore mese tnt?
13:34 wei2912            ...
13:34 VanessaE           uh oh
13:34 VanessaE           you better walk away.  fast.
13:34 wei2912            it's fun to watch
13:36 NekoGloop          You better run :3
13:36 wei2912            nvm
13:36 wei2912            i'll fill it up
13:37 wei2912            and no one will know
13:37 wei2912            argh
13:37 wei2912            need to restart again
13:43 * NekoGloop        pokes #minetest for signs of life
13:43 * VanessaE         pokes back
13:43 * [number]minetest pokes back
13:44 wei2912            why is there so much tnt???
13:44 * NekoGloop        lol's
13:56 wei2912            anyone wants to join me? lol
13:56 wei2912            it
13:56 wei2912            it's tedious
13:57 wei2912            you can have fun tnting stuff
14:01 wei2912            hmm
14:01 wei2912            tnt is really a useful tool
14:07 NekoGloop          Yes it is
14:08 wei2912            lol
14:08 wei2912            VanessaE, PilzAdam Phitherek_ any of you not afk?
14:08 * PilzAdam         is not
14:09 * Phitherek_       is not, but was busy with something else for a while :)
14:09 wei2912            Phitherek_, PilzAdam have time to join a game?
14:09 Phitherek_         I'll try to join :)
14:09 wei2912            wei2912server.sytes.net
14:09 wei2912            i'm getting tortured
14:09 wei2912            argh TNT
14:10 PilzAdam           port?
14:10 Phitherek_         port? :>
14:11 wei2912            30000
14:11 PilzAdam           cant connect :-(
14:11 wei2912            :(
14:11 Phitherek_         me too
14:11 PilzAdam           wei2912, your running it on your computer?
14:11 wei2912            yup
14:11 wei2912            forwarded the port
14:11 Phitherek_         aren' t you behind a firewall?
14:11 Phitherek_         or router?
14:11 wei2912            nope
14:11 wei2912            router yes
14:12 PilzAdam           wei2912, you are in singleplayer?
14:12 Phitherek_         forward the port 30000 UDP
14:12 wei2912            udp?
14:12 wei2912            ah no wonder
14:12 Phitherek_         30000
14:12 Phitherek_         ah ok
14:12 PilzAdam           ah
14:13 Phitherek_         or better TCP&UDP
14:13 wei2912            try again
14:13 wei2912            Phitherek_, PilzAdam
14:13 * PilzAdam         tries
14:13 VanessaE           I'm here now
14:13 PilzAdam           Connecting...
14:13 * Phitherek_       tries
14:13 PilzAdam           Connecting...
14:13 Phitherek_         nothing
14:13 PilzAdam           Connecting...
14:13 VanessaE           for a bit, technician coming soon to look at my internet
14:13 Phitherek_         anything in console?
14:13 PilzAdam           nothing
14:13 iqualfragile       Moin PilzAdam
14:13 PilzAdam           Hallo!
14:14 wei2912            nothing?
14:14 PilzAdam           cant connec
14:14 Phitherek_         nope
14:14 PilzAdam           *connect
14:14 wei2912            argh
14:14 Phitherek_         my friend has TCP&UDP forwarded and I can connect there
14:14 Phitherek_         when we play MP
14:14 PilzAdam           are you in singleplayer?
14:14 iqualfragile       my server is the router
14:15 wei2912            try again
14:15 wei2912            PilzAdam, don't think so
14:15 wei2912            but...
14:15 wei2912            minetest crashed :P
14:15 wei2912            which means i need to restart again
14:15 wei2912            to open up the port
14:15 wei2912            wait a moment Phitherek_ PilzAdam
14:15 Phitherek_         ok
14:15 PilzAdam           k
14:16 PilzAdam           too late :-(
14:16 * NekoGloop        pokes pilzadam
14:16 PilzAdam           sup?
14:16 NekoGloop          Nothing much
14:17 NekoGloop          Ohai calinou
14:17 PilzAdam           we still need more sources for the wikipedia article
14:17 VanessaE           lots more
14:17 VanessaE           independent sources
14:17 wei2912            back
14:17 NekoGloop          I cane help ya theee
14:18 NekoGloop          there*
14:18 PilzAdam           wei2912, works
14:18 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, realy?
14:18 wei2912            PilzAdam, works?
14:18 wei2912            wth
14:18 wei2912            i'm not even starting it
14:18 NekoGloop          Eh... My spelling is faik
14:18 PilzAdam           lol
14:18 wei2912            port is being used
14:18 wei2912            hmm
14:19 PilzAdam           i got 6% media loaded
14:19 wei2912            lol
14:20 wei2912            PilzAdam, sure it works?
14:20 PilzAdam           nope
14:20 wei2912            knew it
14:20 PilzAdam           its still by 6%
14:20 wei2912            quit please
14:21 PilzAdam           k
14:21 NekoGloop          Cactus needs more uses but i'm too lazy to think of any
14:21 wei2912            need to restart once more
14:21 wei2912            argh
14:21 PilzAdam           why?
14:22 wei2912            port in use
14:22 NekoGloop          Currently i've succesfully made cactus fruit be dropped rarely and have cactus damage you...
14:22 wei2912            PilzAdam,
14:22 PilzAdam           use another
14:22 Calinou            heh, we're just getting attacked by deletionists
14:22 NekoGloop          Any ideas on how to check if the player is using their bare hands?
14:22 wei2912            works now
14:22 Calinou            seen lots of OSS game articles - almost no sources, no warnings about lack of sources
14:22 iqualfragile       nekogloop: you could make ammunition out of cactus
14:22 wei2912            but that's just a server
14:22 wei2912            lol
14:23 NekoGloop          How do i check if the player is using their bare hands to destroy a cactus?
14:23 wei2912            PilzAdam, Phitherek_ try again
14:23 PilzAdam           NekoGloop,  on_dig
14:23 * PilzAdam         tries
14:23 NekoGloop          How di i check what the player is using though...?
14:23 wei2912            PilzAdam, you're in
14:24 * Phitherek_       tries
14:24 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, please read the lua-api: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1087
14:24 NekoGloop          ...
14:24 PilzAdam           wei2912, 0% media
14:24 PilzAdam           mods?
14:25 wei2912            PilzAdam, let me package it
14:25 NekoGloop          "read the lua_api.txt" translates roughly to "i dont give a shit"
14:25 Phitherek_         can' t connect -_-
14:25 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, i marked the line for you
14:25 Phitherek_         PilzAdam are you in>
14:25 Phitherek_         ?
14:25 wei2912            RTFM
14:25 PilzAdam           0% media
14:25 wei2912            read the fine manual
14:25 wei2912            PilzAdam, wait a moment
14:26 NekoGloop          Shouldnt it be the function that's a line higher?
14:26 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, i do care about you but i want you to learn how to hel yourself
14:26 NekoGloop          The lua_api is just a jumbled block of text...
14:27 PilzAdam           *usefull
14:27 wei2912            PilzAdam, Phitherek_ try again lol
14:27 NekoGloop          Brb
14:27 PilzAdam           wait 69%media
14:27 PilzAdam           retry
14:27 * Phitherek_       tries
14:27 * PilzAdam         cant connect
14:28 * Phitherek_       cant connect
14:28 wei2912            i think it's screwed up anyway
14:28 wei2912            freaking hardcore mese tnt
14:28 wei2912            messed up the whole map lol
14:28 * PilzAdam         gives up
14:28 * Phitherek_       gives up
14:29 Phitherek_         ehhh, I can' t connect to any server except my friend' s...
14:29 Phitherek_         it seems to me
14:29 wei2912            PilzAdam, Phitherek_: uploading the mods i have
14:30 Calinou            inb4 madblocks
14:30 Calinou            :p
14:31 VanessaE           madblocks doesn't exist anymore...
14:31 VanessaE           (at least Mauvebic doesn't support it anymore)
14:32 wei2912            lol
14:33 wei2912            Phitherek_, PilzAdam try again
14:33 NekoGloop          I have a question about the snow mod
14:34 wei2912            if you believe the mods make a diff.
14:34 wei2912            https://www.dropbox.com/s/cwko2d0txnxljmd/wei2912server-mods.zip
14:35 iqualfragile       hmm…
14:35 iqualfragile       the snow-mod makes my server stop working
14:35 NekoGloop          its about its config options
14:36 NekoGloop          what does the last one do? and does it do that in minetest for e.g. deserts?
14:38 Calinou            ah
14:39 NekoGloop          better yet, is it better to have it on or off?
14:40 PilzAdam           wei2912, i have major lag on your server
14:41 Keegann            hello
14:41 VanessaE           hello keegan
14:42 PilzAdam           wei2912, the lag was too heavy
14:42 wei2912            PilzAdam, hmm
14:43 iqualfragile       hmm… that animals-mod seems buggy, too
14:43 VanessaE           it is known to be buggy yeah
14:43 VanessaE           but sapier is working on it
14:43 NekoGloop          ...
14:43 wei2912            Phitherek_, are you fine?
14:44 wei2912            after i used worldedit lol
14:44 NekoGloop          anyone help me with finding a snow biome?
14:44 Keegann            is there like a node block protection?
14:45 Keegann            like a block the protect the area
14:46 VanessaE           redcrab's server has a node protection mod, it protects by cordoning off large areas
14:46 NekoGloop          i cant even find deserts... o.o
14:46 VanessaE           no special block needed
14:46 wei2912            any auto cordoning of barriers/
14:46 Keegann            i want it like a block
14:46 Keegann            some people have it
14:46 VanessaE           not sure then
14:47 VanessaE           node_ownership
14:47 VanessaE           that's the one he uses
14:47 VanessaE           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=846
14:47 Keegann            its a block that you place it in each corner
14:47 VanessaE           this one? nope.
14:47 NekoGloop          keegann: glomie's protection mod its in modding general
14:48 Keegann            ok
14:48 VanessaE           Keegann: that said, in redcrab's server, usually to *do* place a block in each corner, but it's just wool and has no special powers.  it's just there as a visual aid.
14:49 OldCoder           Keegann, see PM
14:56 NekoGloop          I just failed to connect to a singleplayer server... o.o
14:56 VanessaE           make sure you don't already have a server running
14:56 NekoGloop          heh
14:56 NekoGloop          me with a server?
14:57 NekoGloop          youre kidding me right?
14:57 VanessaE           even a local one
14:57 VanessaE           e.g. another copy of minetest still running that didn't fully close
14:57 NekoGloop          heh
14:57 NekoGloop          well i got it to work :P
14:57 VanessaE           bbl
14:58 wei2912            Phitherek_, PilzAdam any of you still there?
14:58 wei2912            need some help with flattening terrain
14:58 PilzAdam           nope
14:59 NekoGloop          use //omg_i_need_it_flat
14:59 wei2912            PilzAdam, can you rejoin?
14:59 wei2912            NekoGloop, lol
14:59 PilzAdam           wei2912, i currently play singleplayer
15:00 NekoGloop          im busy raging at the snow biomes not generating
15:01 NekoGloop          oh look i finally found a desert at least...
15:04 NekoGloop          do I just have like widespread low perlin or something lol
15:05 NekoGloop          derp... cactus fruit is not dropping... ;_;
15:05 NekoGloop          oh there we go a cactus fruit
15:07 NekoGloop          FINALLY A FREAKIN SNOW BIOME
15:08 NekoGloop          and lookitthat, some ice too
15:09 NekoGloop          too bad ice isnt slippery...
15:10 Basstard`          Isn't ice slippery?
15:10 NekoGloop          not in the snow mod
15:12 Basstard`          So create an ice mod.
15:12 NekoGloop          idk how to edit player movement
15:12 PilzAdam           BackupCoder, you cant do this with API
15:27 * NekoGloop        pokes #minetest for signs of life
15:29 iqualfragile       some flies rise
15:30 NekoGloop          ew
15:31 aaronc             aaron
15:31 NekoGloop          my ice house has a fail
15:33 NekoGloop          hmm... furnaces in the basement!
15:36 GTRsdk             klol
15:36 NekoGloop          had problems with melting ;)
15:37 cornernote         hi
15:37 cornernote         i updated my mesecons entry - http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2881
15:38 cornernote         its uber compact now
15:38 PilzAdam           cornernote, everyone knows how a 8-bit decoder works
15:38 cornernote         i didnt
15:38 cornernote         =)
15:38 GTRsdk             I think he was being sarcastic
15:39 PilzAdam           nope
15:39 cornernote         i didnt think so
15:39 GTRsdk             oh
15:39 * GTRsdk           didn't & still doesn't know how an 8 bit decoder works
15:40 cornernote         well, the important thing is its really small, and they can be stacked together
15:41 cornernote         u got the shits with me about something PilzAdam, say so. no need to be rude
15:46 GTRsdk             that stuff looks cool
15:47 cornernote         thanks, it was really fun getting it to work, then compacting it
15:48 cornernote         i tried to leave as much info so other people can recreate similar machines
15:48 cornernote         for those who don't already know
15:49 NekoGloop          i need to somehow light my house without melting it
15:49 NekoGloop          any ideas?
15:49 cornernote         torch ?
15:49 NekoGloop          I could use gloopblock's own evil block but its incredibly dim and hard to obtain
15:49 NekoGloop          cornernote: that melts it, its an ice house :3
15:50 PilzAdam           the sun
15:50 NekoGloop          haha no
15:50 NekoGloop          during nighttime i want light too
15:50 NekoGloop          (light does pass thru ice)
15:50 PilzAdam           /time 6000 ?
15:51 NekoGloop          i am doing a survival (-ish) world
15:51 NekoGloop          no cheating :3
15:56 NekoGloop          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liF81JNyH_E SEPHIROTH!!!
15:56 NakedFury          1,0You0,4Tube1,15 KINGDOM HEARTS OST COMPLETE 9-01 - One-Winged Angel (from FINAL FANTASY VII) [2,15User1,15: ValiantTerra] [2,15Views1,15: 2878] [3,1561,15] [4,1501,15] [2,15Time1,15: 00:03:531,15]
15:56 NakedFury          1,0You0,4Tube1,15 KINGDOM HEARTS OST COMPLETE 9-01 - One-Winged Angel (from FINAL FANTASY VII) [2,15User1,15: ValiantTerra] [2,15Views1,15: 2878] [3,1561,15] [4,1501,15] [2,15Time1,15: 00:03:531,15]
15:57 NekoGloop          wtf nakedfury lol
15:58 GTRsdk             with an ice house, maybe 4 blocks out, then making a circle of torches
16:00 Basstard`          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q
16:00 NakedFury          1,0You0,4Tube1,15 10 hours of "What is love" (Jim Carrey, v.1) [2,15User1,15: e7magic] [2,15Views1,15: 6549066] [3,15419191,15] [4,154871,15] [2,15Time1,15: 10:00:001,15]
16:00 NakedFury          1,0You0,4Tube1,15 10 hours of "What is love" (Jim Carrey, v.1) [2,15User1,15: e7magic] [2,15Views1,15: 6549066] [3,15419191,15] [4,154871,15] [2,15Time1,15: 10:00:001,15]
16:00 NekoGloop          i think it only affects ice adjacent to it but good idea
16:01 GTRsdk             Anyone kknow what is the latest animals mod that works on 0.4.1?
16:01 NekoGloop          GTRsdk: i think none of them do but you are open to try
16:02 GTRsdk             well... I would assume the earliest would work on a 0.4-dev one or 0.3, and the latest works on 0.4.2 rc
16:02 GTRsdk             so somewhere in between is what I want
16:03 NekoGloop          0.3 had no mod support
16:06 GTRsdk             okay
16:07 * GTRsdk           calculates 1.2.9* should work on 0.4.1
16:09 GTRsdk             maybe even 1.3.0
16:15 * GTRsdk           looks up how to pass cflags and cxxflags to cmake
16:16 NekoGloop          large stone pickaxe is so OP
16:17 PilzAdam           VannessaE, please stop entering an leaving!
16:17 VanessaE           well the tech said the lines look good, took out a redundant splitter.  Whatever it is, it isn't inside our apartment.
16:18 GTRsdk             has anyone been successful with passing CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS so minetest gets compiled with the flags you specify?
16:19 VanessaE           never tried it
16:19 NekoGloop          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odvMnKBBI88&feature=related
16:19 VanessaE           oh also, the tech says we're actually paying for 15M/3M service.  They musta upgraded us sometime recently :-)
16:20 NekoGloop          oh right, nakedfury left
16:20 * PilzAdam         's ears are destroyed by NekoGloop 's song
16:20 NekoGloop          anyway that's giratina music, the second most epic song from pokemon.
16:20 GTRsdk             looks like Release builds are compiled using -O3
16:21 NekoGloop          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B966MZdzOo the MOST epic pokemone music :3
16:22 NekoGloop          pokemon*
16:22 VanessaE           GTRsdk: isn't -O3 known to cause problems?
16:22 * PilzAdam         dont klick the link
16:22 VanessaE           like sucking down memory, glitchy code, etc?
16:22 NekoGloop          oh snow falls.
16:22 GTRsdk             dunno
16:22 NekoGloop          nice to know. :P
16:22 GTRsdk             it has various effects on various code
16:22 VanessaE           I distinctly remember that from my gentoo days
16:23 NekoGloop          pilzadam's just trollin
16:23 GTRsdk             for some programs you can't do -O3. On some, you need to to have the best performance
16:24 * PilzAdam         never trolls
16:24 GTRsdk             either way... I'm bumping that up to -Ofast and -march=native to test it
16:24 GTRsdk             now whether or not it actually compiles using that...
16:25 NekoGloop          whats a good free video recorder for windows?
16:26 GTRsdk             video recorder?
16:27 NekoGloop          like fraps but not as sucky
16:27 GTRsdk             for capturing TV stuff, or screen, or what?
16:27 GTRsdk             okay
16:27 * GTRsdk           looks up what fraps is
16:27 NekoGloop          ...
16:28 GTRsdk             I think VLC could do what you want
16:28 GTRsdk             is it just capturing screen?
16:28 NekoGloop          yes
16:28 NekoGloop          PilzAdam: normal people dont turn the bass up to the max
16:28 Calinou            <VanessaE> oh also, the tech says we're actually paying for 15M/3M service.  They musta upgraded us sometime recently :-)
16:28 Calinou            hi american
16:28 Calinou            :p
16:29 VanessaE           heh
16:29 VanessaE           oh this'll bake your noodle"
16:29 VanessaE           :
16:29 Calinou            come to europe, the only Bunch Of Countries(R) where you pay the same price for 2 and 20mbit
16:29 VanessaE           it spikes to 30Mbps briefly, and sustains about 19 :-)
16:29 Calinou            I "spike" to 0.6mbits :P
16:29 Calinou            average is about 2.4mbit
16:29 NekoGloop          troll detected
16:29 NekoGloop          press R to delete
16:30 PilzAdam           R
16:30 GTRsdk             NekoGloop: VLC has a screen capturing feature
16:30 GTRsdk             I think you can control the FPS
16:30 NekoGloop          PilzAdam and Calinou were deleted
16:30 * PilzAdam         is not
16:30 NekoGloop          wtf is VLC
16:31 Calinou            video player
16:31 Calinou            GTRsdk, it can record videos? O_o
16:31 PilzAdam           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player
16:31 Calinou            made by french guys :D
16:31 * PilzAdam         deletes vlc
16:31 VanessaE           ok bbl
16:33 Phitherek_         I know Taksi
16:33 GTRsdk             Calinou: it can do lots of things
16:33 Phitherek_         open source video recorder for Windows :)
16:33 PilzAdam           french things...
16:33 Phitherek_         desktop recorder i meant :)
16:34 NekoGloop          ....
16:34 Phitherek_         http://taksi.sourceforge.net/
16:34 NekoGloop          link?
16:36 Calinou            no sound
16:36 Calinou            bleh
16:37 NekoGloop          ...
16:37 NekoGloop          something i dont have to compile?
16:37 Phitherek_         in Taksi? :O It recorded sound...
16:37 Calinou            "Audio is not captured."
16:38 GTRsdk             compiling is easy
16:38 GTRsdk             on Linux
16:38 Phitherek_         http://sourceforge.net/projects/taksi/files/development/taksi-0.7.7.9-dev/taksi-0.7.7.9-dev.msi/download ?
16:40 Phitherek_         Calinou: Screenshot 3: Audio Input Device, Audio Formats/Codecs...
16:44 Calinou            oh
16:44 Calinou            GTRsdk, +1
16:44 Calinou            it's a PITA on windows
16:44 NekoGloop          the quality... IT BUUUURNSS!!!!
16:49 RealBadAngel       well
16:49 RealBadAngel       Latest stable version is 0.7.6 (from June.22,2006 )
16:49 NekoGloop          im using dev
16:49 RealBadAngel       isnt that a bit too old?
16:49 NekoGloop          got a better option?
16:49 NekoGloop          unlike fraps it doesnt stop recording
16:50 NekoGloop          (fraps stops recording -completely- randomly)
16:50 RealBadAngel       here doesnt
16:50 NekoGloop          pfft
16:50 NekoGloop          shaddup.
16:50 NekoGloop          windows > linux
16:51 RealBadAngel       but im afraid since 2006 many things has changed ;)
16:52 Phitherek_         fraps works, but for a very short time. To use it, you must pay ;).
16:52 NekoGloop          something from 2006 is working better than something from 2012
16:52 RealBadAngel       it works because i paid? ;)
16:53 NekoGloop          well i dont have money to waste on things like fraps
16:53 NekoGloop          big greedy corporations tend to make shit products anyway
16:53 Phitherek_         idk if you can in taksi record without compression]
16:53 Phitherek_         then you will have good quality
16:53 RealBadAngel       im a coder, so sometimes i do pay for other coders work?
16:55 NekoGloop          that and minetest lags to the point I cant even swim
16:55 RealBadAngel       im just payin for what im usin
16:57 RealBadAngel       all this stuff you can first try, then buy it
17:03 RealBadAngel       anyway: googled a bit and found some:
17:03 RealBadAngel       http://camstudio.org/
17:04 NekoGloop          camstudio? tryed it.
17:04 NekoGloop          can record everything BUT minetest
17:05 RealBadAngel       http://www.uvnc.com/screenrecorder/
17:06 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, do you google that for NekoGloop?
17:06 thexyz             use ffmpeg
17:06 thexyz             oh, wait, windows
17:07 thexyz             in windows it must be easier
17:07 thexyz             sorry
17:07 leo_rockway        can't VLC capture the desktop?
17:07 leo_rockway        also, hi.
17:07 Phitherek_         in linux it is really easy
17:07 Phitherek_         :P
17:07 leo_rockway        I know mplayer can
17:07 leo_rockway        Phitherek_: mhm.
17:07 GTRsdk             VLC does capture desktop
17:07 RealBadAngel       gtk-recordMyDesktop
17:07 leo_rockway        Qt-recordMyDesktop
17:07 * GTRsdk           did it last week for the lulz
17:07 RealBadAngel       for ubuntu for example
17:07 Phitherek_         RealBadAngel: +1
17:07 leo_rockway        ;-)
17:07 Phitherek_         i use it ;)
17:07 Phitherek_         yeah, I make videos from Minetest :D
17:08 leo_rockway        I have never tried to capture MT. I did record OpenGOO, though.
17:08 leo_rockway        I had to, for a bug report.
17:09 RealBadAngel       too many ideas for neko
17:09 RealBadAngel       pinged out him
17:09 RealBadAngel       lol
17:15 RealBadAngel       wow
17:15 RealBadAngel       http://imgur.com/a/wLLgQ
17:15 RealBadAngel       take a look on this
17:15 RealBadAngel       minecraft on 12 monitors at the same time
17:16 RealBadAngel       gosh i want such monitor wall :)
17:16 Phitherek_         with minetest obviously ;)
17:17 RealBadAngel       i do have just two buuuu
17:18 GTRsdk             the animals 1.2.93 mod does work on 0.4.1
17:19 GTRsdk             now I just need to figure out why only a tiny bit of world is loaded
17:19 NekoGloop          RealBadAngel: overkill much lol
17:21 leo_rockway        I don't like the animals mod.
17:21 NekoGloop          half of my video i just did is minetest loading... and its a 3 minute video...
17:21 leo_rockway        sapir did a good work with what is available, but it is a hack, it works like a hack, it plays like a hack, it looks like a hack and it performs like a hack...
17:24 GTRsdk             I think my netbook is just too slow for minetest server stuff
17:25 Phitherek_         GTRsdk: Ah, welcome. I also run it on netbook :D
17:25 * GTRsdk           considers moving it to a PowerPC machine
17:26 Phitherek_         and surprisingly it works with my modpack :D. I can even take videos in the same time ;).
17:27 GTRsdk             What hardware?
17:27 Phitherek_         Search for Asus Eee PC 1215B
17:27 Phitherek_         It' s AMD 350-E Dual Core Processor and Radeon 6310
17:27 Phitherek_         and with APU technology
17:27 GTRsdk             that sounds like a nice one
17:28 Phitherek_         It really is :)
17:29 GTRsdk             could probably do circles around an Acer AOD255 (Intel Atom N450, with intel graphics)
17:30 NekoGloop          anyway
17:30 NekoGloop          anyone want me to do a lets play of sorts?
17:30 Phitherek_         this model will have nearly two years by now but is one of the most powerful netbooks I ever saw :D
17:30 NekoGloop          (warning, I have no mic)
17:32 NekoGloop          good idea or no?
17:32 Phitherek_         without mic? I don' t know :D
17:32 NekoGloop          i could use ingame chat, or annotations.
17:33 Phitherek_         voice commentary is much better
17:33 NekoGloop          well then buy me a mic \:D/
17:33 NekoGloop          (and a throat lozenge ;))
17:33 RealBadAngel       wanna learn how to do gameplays check DireWolf20 or Etho on yt
17:34 NekoGloop          i know how to do it
17:34 NekoGloop          i just dont have a mic
17:34 GTRsdk             not any mic at all?
17:34 RealBadAngel       use a speaker
17:35 RealBadAngel       it can work as a kind mic too ;)
17:35 NekoGloop          i have no mic
17:35 NekoGloop          unless im gonna record on my ipad
17:35 NekoGloop          which I'm not
17:35 Phitherek_         hmm
17:35 RealBadAngel       man, mic can cost a few bucks
17:35 Phitherek_         can' t you connect iPad and use it' s mic?
17:35 NekoGloop          hm..
17:35 NekoGloop          good though
17:35 NekoGloop          thought*
17:36 NekoGloop          but something like that requires jailbreak?
17:36 Phitherek_         most probably yes
17:36 NekoGloop          yeh
17:36 NekoGloop          me no jailbreak
17:36 RealBadAngel       take a plug, piece of cable and mic from old handy
17:36 Phitherek_         as I know Apple...
17:36 GTRsdk             jailbreak, and save your firmwares
17:37 NekoGloop          me no jailbreak
17:37 Phitherek_         why
17:37 NekoGloop          because its not my ipad
17:37 Phitherek_         ah, I see
17:38 RealBadAngel       http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/computer_microphone.php
17:38 Phitherek_         so buy a mic, it is not expensive ;)
17:38 RealBadAngel       you can build yout mic almost for free
17:38 RealBadAngel       usin old parts
17:38 NekoGloop          i need parts/money
17:39 Phitherek_         whoa
17:39 Phitherek_         Maybe I will build one just for fun :D
17:39 RealBadAngel       i made many
17:39 Phitherek_         but not now
17:39 RealBadAngel       old hands free for your handy can be good pc mic too
17:40 NekoGloop          ...
17:40 NekoGloop          how much on average is a pc mic
17:41 Phitherek_         ehhh, and I' ve got two mics :D One built-in and one external bought once some longer time ago :D
17:41 NekoGloop          i dont think i have a builtin mic...
17:41 RealBadAngel       i can see many mic
17:41 RealBadAngel       starting from like 1,5usd up
17:42 NekoGloop          um...
17:43 NekoGloop          yeah i dont think this giant box of a pc has a mic
17:43 RealBadAngel       what the duck youre talkin bout
17:43 RealBadAngel       do you have souncard?
17:44 RealBadAngel       then buy yourself a mic for 5usd or so for christ sake
17:44 NekoGloop_         i dont have 5 bucks ;_;
17:44 RealBadAngel       or headset for 10
17:44 RealBadAngel       oh sorry then :P
17:45 NekoGloop_         i have a penny! :D
17:45 NekoGloop_         ($0.01)
17:46 NekoGloop_         anyway
17:46 NekoGloop_         ambience mod is awesome
17:47 Phitherek_         +1
17:47 NekoGloop_         although splash sounds are not occuring?
17:47 Phitherek_         they are?
17:47 Phitherek_         for me at least :D
17:47 NekoGloop_         Obai me :3
17:47 RealBadAngel       birds and so on are ok
17:48 NekoGloop_         squak
17:48 RealBadAngel       but i do prefer music collection i made
17:48 NekoGloop_         squak
17:48 RealBadAngel       these are too ambience
17:48 NekoGloop_         squak
17:48 NekoGloop_         tweet tweet :3
17:49 RealBadAngel       with this music you can actually sleep not code :P
17:49 Phitherek_         but the one made on ZynAddSubFX is really nice :D
17:49 RealBadAngel       i havent said theyre not nice
17:49 NekoGloop_         well
17:50 Phitherek_         and they suit the game :)
17:50 RealBadAngel       i just prefer somethin with more bpm
17:50 NekoGloop_         camstudio is lagging minetest to hell
17:50 Phitherek_         I see your point :)
17:50 RealBadAngel       wait a sec
17:51 RealBadAngel       http://realbadangel.pl/techic_mod/music/skaven_music_pack.zip
17:51 RealBadAngel       listen to this music
17:51 RealBadAngel       this is NOT ambience ;)
17:53 Phitherek_         definitely not ambience :)
17:53 Phitherek_         but fine
17:54 RealBadAngel       listen to instant rejection
17:54 RealBadAngel       or mercury rain
17:57 Phitherek_         wow
17:57 Phitherek_         nice :)
17:57 RealBadAngel       Legacy Of Rust is also great
17:58 GTRsdk             woah... PowerPC server == much better
17:58 GTRsdk             but hotter
17:58 GTRsdk             and noisier
18:04 NekoGloop_         this compression is going to kill me
18:04 RealBadAngel       youre compressing yourself?
18:04 NekoGloop_         13% and I started at least 2 mins ago
18:05 NekoGloop_         lol rba
18:05 NekoGloop_         no the video
18:05 NekoGloop_         ambience is surprisingly lagless
18:06 RealBadAngel       ive made ogg streamin to the game
18:06 RealBadAngel       it also worked fine
18:06 RealBadAngel       you can listen to anythin in the game then
18:07 RealBadAngel       http://blog.kfish.org/2010/05/streaming-ogg-vorbis-with-sighttpd-110.html
18:08 RealBadAngel       once ogg file is copied to the cache
18:08 RealBadAngel       find it, and stream to it
18:09 khonkhortisan      warning: 527 character message in progress.
18:09 khonkhortisan      A mesecon wire works on the principle that it is either on or off, and the rules for saying which ends connect are the same rules as for saying where power can travel between. A four-way disconnected intersection works on the principle that it is either off, on for X, on for Z, or ON, and that the rules for connecting (all four sides) aren't the same as the rules for power flow (between X ends and/or between Z ends). So it's not
18:09 khonkhortisan      as simple as registering a new mesecon conductor, the functions themselves have to be changed.
18:09 RealBadAngel       you can make this way internet radio in-game
18:10 NekoGloop_         cam studio is crap
18:10 NekoGloop_         didnt record sound
18:11 RealBadAngel       khonkhortisan: right. first of all mesecons are not power circuit. 2nd: every logic circuit gonna be messed this way
18:11 RealBadAngel       i mean intersections
18:11 khonkhortisan      then what do you call what travels through a mesecon?
18:11 RealBadAngel       four 1 meetin one point wont give you 4
18:11 RealBadAngel       you will end with fucked up circuit
18:12 leo_rockway        khonkhortisan: awesomese
18:14 RealBadAngel       with mesecons appy logic circuit rules
18:14 RealBadAngel       theres nothin in logic circuits like "intersection"
18:15 khonkhortisan      yes there is I'm looking for a picture of it
18:15 RealBadAngel       lol
18:15 khonkhortisan      http://www.circuitstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/transistor-intercom-circuit.jpg
18:15 RealBadAngel       wanna add signals use or, and, nor or whatever
18:15 khonkhortisan      we already have the dot at the bottom-left but not the jump wire above it
18:16 RealBadAngel       THIS IS NOT LOGIC CIRCUIT
18:16 khonkhortisan      fine.
18:16 RealBadAngel       this is electronic circuit
18:16 RealBadAngel       workin on ohm, kirhoff's laws
18:16 RealBadAngel       not LOGIC ONES
18:18 NekoGloop_         realbadangel: rage much?
18:19 RealBadAngel       with intersection of electronic, power circuit you do calculate curent
18:19 RealBadAngel       not logic states
18:19 khonkhortisan      does it really matter whether it's a power circuit or logic circuit for how the wires intersect?
18:19 RealBadAngel       sum of current in every intersection is ZERO
18:20 * NekoGloop_       kicks rba
18:20 RealBadAngel       yes it does matter
18:21 RealBadAngel       to make logic you use transistors
18:21 RealBadAngel       out of transistor you build logic gates
18:21 khonkhortisan      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NIy45k3TuEE/TkouUTvUOZI/AAAAAAAAAG8/SQiB48Yi_UQ/s1600/550px-Full-adder.png
18:21 RealBadAngel       out of logic gates you build CPU's
18:22 khonkhortisan      to build that exactly how it's laid out you need connecting intersections and non-connecting intersections
18:22 RealBadAngel       when i learned 10 years everything bout current, logic etc
18:22 RealBadAngel       it pisses me off when some1 is messin power with logic
18:23 khonkhortisan      or this http://cpuville.com/images/adder_8.jpg you'd have to redesign it completely to not have the non-connected intersections
18:23 NekoGloop_         realbadangel: thought of making a machine that gives off a mesecons signal when it gets about 100~ volts (or whatever measurement you're using)
18:23 NekoGloop_         and btw
18:23 NekoGloop_         HES TALKING ABOUT CROSSED WIRES
18:23 leo_rockway        can minetest be programmed with mesecons?
18:24 NekoGloop_         leo_rockway: if minecraft can be done in redstone, probably
18:24 leo_rockway        then it would be like Minetestption
18:24 NekoGloop_         yup
18:24 RealBadAngel       ehhhh
18:25 RealBadAngel       im tryin to explain
18:25 khonkhortisan      only the memory it takes to make more memory to make more memory wouldn't work so well
18:25 NekoGloop_         and dont forget to program a "Some Exception:" error that appears randomly, leo!
18:25 RealBadAngel       when lines are crossin in electronic circuit there will apply kirhoff's laws to calculate current
18:26 RealBadAngel       when you will try to make a crossin within logic circuit
18:26 RealBadAngel       you will get just mess
18:26 RealBadAngel       because in logic there are no crossings at all
18:26 NekoGloop_         he wants crossing insulated wires
18:27 NekoGloop_         shut up and talk about what he's doing
18:27 khonkhortisan      look at the bottom of this picture. http://cpuville.com/images/adder_8.jpg Those are disconnected crossings. That's what I'm trying to make. Look at the top of the picture. Those are connected crossings. Those have already been made.
18:27 leo_rockway        don't cross the streams!
18:27 khonkhortisan      something about ghosts?
18:27 RealBadAngel       heh
18:27 RealBadAngel       it may seem like crossin
18:27 RealBadAngel       but its not
18:28 NekoGloop_         upgrade your account
18:28 NekoGloop_         it says
18:28 leo_rockway        khonkhortisan: I'm afraid of no ghost
18:28 NekoGloop_         please do another hoster :/
18:28 khonkhortisan      if they are all on the same horizontal level, the cross has to be done in a single node.
18:28 RealBadAngel       when 2 wires connect to each other they marked with dot
18:28 RealBadAngel       in point of crossing
18:28 RealBadAngel       when they just pass each other
18:29 RealBadAngel       it means NO CONNECT
18:29 NekoGloop_         HE WANTS A NODE THAT DOES THAT
18:29 NekoGloop_         STOP RAGING AND LISTEN TO WHAT HES SAYING
18:29 khonkhortisan      all I want to do is to flatten this circuit from two nodes tall to one node tall
18:30 NekoGloop_         i made a combination lock
18:30 RealBadAngel       http://nemesis.evalq.net/RedPower2/recipes.html
18:30 RealBadAngel       look in this page for null cell
18:30 RealBadAngel       invert cell
18:30 RealBadAngel       and non invert cell
18:31 RealBadAngel       ask jeija for exactly such ones
18:33 NekoGloop_         we need a node that alternates between sending a signal to the four sides
18:33 NekoGloop_         i believe a similar thing is in redpower
18:33 khonkhortisan      alternates?
18:33 RealBadAngel       look in page i posted
18:33 RealBadAngel       this are exactly the ones
18:33 NekoGloop_         idk what the redpower equivalent is called
18:34 khonkhortisan      ah. Yes, I've made the nodebox for the "Null Cell"
18:34 RealBadAngel       theres no equivalent to redpower
18:34 NekoGloop_         realbadangel, shut up
18:34 RealBadAngel       redpower is the most advanced electronic mod for minecraft
18:34 NekoGloop_         its very possible to make a mesepower, if you will
18:34 khonkhortisan      there are power wires in another mod
18:35 NekoGloop_         ah i found what i wanted
18:35 NekoGloop_         the "Stone Pointer"
18:35 NekoGloop_         i want a mesecons version
18:35 RealBadAngel       redpower is reworked redstone
18:35 khonkhortisan      microcontrollers can do that I think, but that's not what you want to hear
18:36 RealBadAngel       leavin it light years behind
18:36 NekoGloop_         yes microcontrollers can
18:36 RealBadAngel       it has even programmable 6502 CPU
18:36 NekoGloop_         RealBadAngel: .... and?
18:36 jin_xi             y no z80
18:36 RealBadAngel       light years
18:36 NekoGloop_         you've been on the high horse too long
18:37 khonkhortisan      forth boot disk haha
18:37 jin_xi             forth rules
18:37 RealBadAngel       with forth compiler
18:37 NekoGloop_         HEY
18:37 NekoGloop_         SHADDUP AND LISTEN
18:37 RealBadAngel       you can write your own OS if you want to
18:37 RealBadAngel       theres fully documented CPU with all the interfaces
18:38 NekoGloop_         RealBadAngel: just because redpower is -currently- the best redstone-enhancer doesnt mean we cant do something similar or even better in minetest.
18:38 RealBadAngel       thats im screamin all the time
18:38 RealBadAngel       DO THAT :)
18:38 NekoGloop_         heh
18:39 NekoGloop_         maybe
18:39 NekoGloop_         but not right now
18:39 RealBadAngel       hehehe
18:39 RealBadAngel       im doin now transport tubes
18:39 NekoGloop_         currently i want to see some of the lower functions of redpower in minetest
18:39 khonkhortisan      mesecons isn't set up yet for Null Cells yet, it needs some api changes first.
18:39 NekoGloop_         I'll handle the logic ones, you do the power ones realbadangel. sound good?
18:40 RealBadAngel       i made some power circuits but simplified
18:40 RealBadAngel       but they do care bout power production and usage
18:40 NekoGloop_         i want the colored lines
18:41 RealBadAngel       so with my machines, placin a torch is not enough
18:41 RealBadAngel       even to start a music player
18:41 iqualfragile       realbadangel: can you give me a preview of your newest development of the technic-mod
18:41 RealBadAngel       i posted a few videos bout tubes
18:42 RealBadAngel       sec
18:42 NekoGloop_         well thats all fine and dandy
18:42 NekoGloop_         but I want more logic stuff
18:42 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpShtUiPZbc&feature=plcp
18:42 RealBadAngel       i dont do logic
18:42 NekoGloop_         well then.
18:43 NekoGloop_         i want the "bundled" cables
18:43 RealBadAngel       its jeija's area
18:43 RealBadAngel       bundled ones too
18:43 NekoGloop_         yup
18:43 iqualfragile       yeah, can you give me the code?
18:43 RealBadAngel       not ready yet
18:44 RealBadAngel       in 2-3 days i think
18:44 RealBadAngel       i just finished items followin the tubes with vectors
18:44 iqualfragile       great!
18:44 RealBadAngel       i have to implement "find nearest storage"
18:44 RealBadAngel       to items land in
18:45 iqualfragile       and: would you use git/mercurial/whatever for your code? you dont need to actualy use it for development, just update the repos whenever you release
18:45 RealBadAngel       i do
18:45 iqualfragile       that would allow server-admins (me) to issue git pull
18:45 iqualfragile       you do?
18:45 RealBadAngel       last realease is on git already
18:46 iqualfragile       github.com/realbadangel
18:46 iqualfragile       ?
18:46 RealBadAngel       yup
18:46 iqualfragile       ah, wonderfull, another plugin wich i can autoupdate
18:46 RealBadAngel       i just dont release nothin for a few days because:
18:47 RealBadAngel       a) has much not done things
18:47 RealBadAngel       b) waitin for textures for the things done
18:47 iqualfragile       jup
18:47 RealBadAngel       got here like 5 new machines ready, several powered items
18:48 RealBadAngel       but no textures
18:48 iqualfragile       @items finding right chests
18:48 RealBadAngel       also, playin with pipes/tubes
18:48 iqualfragile       i think it would be easier for you to do it a litle bit different
18:48 NekoGloop_         i could do some textures
18:48 RealBadAngel       sdzen is makin them
18:48 iqualfragile       you could define some special T-shaped pipes
18:49 NekoGloop_         i know
18:49 iqualfragile       wich you connect to chests
18:49 iqualfragile       lise
18:49 iqualfragile       like:
18:49 RealBadAngel       i told him to not hurry and take his time
18:49 iqualfragile       |
18:49 NekoGloop_         i dont think he'd mind if i did some temporary ones
18:49 RealBadAngel       because tubes are not a piece of cake
18:49 iqualfragile       (this wont work out)
18:49 RealBadAngel       and have lotsa work with them
18:49 iqualfragile       ---T---
18:49 iqualfragile       C
18:50 RealBadAngel       i resolved that quite easy
18:50 iqualfragile       then the items would flow from left to right (or vice-versa)
18:50 * VanessaE         is back (aren't you thrilled.)
18:50 VanessaE           hey all
18:50 RealBadAngel       all stuff able to connect to tube has variable tubelike
18:50 iqualfragile       and the T-pice would filter out some items an put them into the chest (or drop them if there is no chest)
18:50 NekoGloop_         lol vanessae
18:50 RealBadAngel       hi vannessa
18:51 NekoGloop_         can you relay something to jeija, because i dont think i'll see him on here any time soon
18:51 RealBadAngel       i made items followin the tubes
18:51 iqualfragile       i think it would be less work for you and more flexible for the users
18:51 RealBadAngel       was a tricky but i used velocity vectors for it
18:51 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: what?
18:52 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: sweet!
18:52 RealBadAngel       and every 0.5 at coords i do check for possible vector change
18:52 NekoGloop_         VanessaE: I want a mesecons effector that "rotates" a signal
18:52 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: rotates?
18:53 NekoGloop_         er...
18:53 RealBadAngel       would like to have 0.5 every time but game gives me 0.49997 or 0.51115
18:53 VanessaE           like in X- out Z+, in Z+ out X+, in X+ out Z-, in Z- out X-  ?
18:53 RealBadAngel       as the steps
18:53 NekoGloop_         VanessaE: no
18:54 NekoGloop_         i want it to send a signal of its own accord, and send one to each direction in order
18:54 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: odd.  well better to err on the side of caution and go for the smaller measure :-)
18:54 NekoGloop_         one sec
18:54 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: ahh, I got ya
18:54 VanessaE           a µC can do that :-)
18:54 NekoGloop_         hold on
18:55 NekoGloop_         yes but wouldnt a single node be better and more efficient?
18:55 iqualfragile       realbadangel: what do you think about my idea?
18:55 VanessaE           possibly yeah
18:55 RealBadAngel       i just check last_pos + velocity_vector
18:55 Phitherek_         RealBadAngel: Floating Point Arithmetic :D
18:55 VanessaE           I'll bounce it off of jeija
18:55 NekoGloop_         hold on
18:55 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: so no chance of having items suddenly fly off into neverland due to server lag then
18:55 NekoGloop_         im getting a vid of a contraption that does that
18:55 RealBadAngel       once diff is >=1
18:56 RealBadAngel       and start is always at.5
18:56 RealBadAngel       i check for possible ways
18:56 RealBadAngel       and trim it back to .5 when changin the vector
18:57 RealBadAngel       so goin straight just goes
18:57 RealBadAngel       when changin direction can change from about .5 to exact 0.5
18:57 RealBadAngel       and stays this line till next corner
18:58 RealBadAngel       bout drops
18:58 RealBadAngel       i noticed when exit a game
18:58 RealBadAngel       and load it back entities goin mad
18:58 RealBadAngel       so i turn them into "air"
18:59 NekoGloop_         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfsPdhekTVA 4:12, VanessaE
18:59 NekoGloop_         (little blocks mod is in use)
19:00 RealBadAngel       maybe i will try to store travellin entities in tubes meta
19:00 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: yeah, that's what I figured you meany
19:00 VanessaE           meant
19:00 NekoGloop_         ok
19:00 NekoGloop_         jsut making sure
19:00 RealBadAngel       that will prevent losin them
19:00 VanessaE           still, a µC can do that but I'll see what jeija thinks
19:01 iqualfragile       is there any mesecons-thing wich can detect a certran block?
19:01 NekoGloop_         well then code it and stick it on sfan5's thing
19:01 VanessaE           iqualfragile: there is a water detector (hydroturbine), player detector, and pressure plates can detect entities I think
19:02 RealBadAngel       find object in radius
19:02 RealBadAngel       whatever you want to find
19:02 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: I think he means a node already programmed to look for something
19:03 RealBadAngel       precoded find in given radius lookin for somethin
19:03 RealBadAngel       on abm
19:03 RealBadAngel       radius 1 is pressure plate for example
19:03 VanessaE           I use that radius function in junglegrass and flowers to keep the plant density under control
19:04 * NekoGloop_       pokes VanessaE
19:04 NekoGloop_         are you gonna code it or do I have to?
19:05 RealBadAngel       buy mic first :P
19:05 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: you have to, I not in a coding frame of mind right now
19:05 NekoGloop_         nonono
19:05 NekoGloop_         i mean to fiddle with the microcontroller
19:05 VanessaE           oh that
19:05 iqualfragile       i want do detect if there is lets say a trunc in front of the detector
19:05 VanessaE           um
19:05 iqualfragile       is there such a thing?
19:05 RealBadAngel       do it yourself
19:06 RealBadAngel       check for formspec not nil
19:06 RealBadAngel       check or inv
19:06 RealBadAngel       *for
19:07 RealBadAngel       local inv = meta:get_inventory()
19:07 RealBadAngel
19:08 RealBadAngel       if it will be nil, no invetory
19:08 RealBadAngel       this way you gonna detect all stuff with inventories i think
19:08 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: as a rough guess, maybe this:  if(A)after(1, "on(B)")after(2, "off(B)on(C)")after(3, "off(C)on(D)")after(4, "off(D)on(A)");
19:08 VanessaE           start the sequence with a logic '1' to port A
19:08 NekoGloop_         i forgot about after :3
19:09 NekoGloop_         oh and has vertical functionality been given yet?
19:09 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: I'm not very familiar with the µC language yet, so that may not work, but it's worth a try anyway
19:09 VanessaE           I think khonkhortisan was going to try the vertical wires
19:10 RealBadAngel       VanessaE: take a look on this monitor wall, awesome  http://imgur.com/a/wLLgQ
19:10 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: wow
19:11 RealBadAngel       somebody played mc at work i guess ;)
19:11 VanessaE           I guess so, famn
19:11 VanessaE           damn even
19:11 RealBadAngel       but still impressive
19:12 NekoGloop_         and its overkill
19:12 VanessaE           no way
19:13 VanessaE           you can't have too many monitors, provided you have the video cards to run them and the walls to place them :-)
19:14 NakedFury          yeah I want that monitor room
19:14 NekoGloop_         VanessaE: doesnt work :/
19:14 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: I run two screens on my machine and sometimes it's not enough
19:14 VanessaE           so play around with it :-)
19:14 RealBadAngel       i have two too
19:14 NekoGloop_         nonono
19:14 VanessaE           read the µCScript document :-)
19:14 NekoGloop_         i mean the microcontroller code
19:15 VanessaE           I know what you meant
19:15 VanessaE           you'll have to code it yourself I guess
19:15 RealBadAngel       damn
19:15 RealBadAngel       12 above
19:15 VanessaE           I don't know enouhg µCScript to do it
19:15 RealBadAngel       and 8 down
19:15 RealBadAngel       shit, i want them :)
19:16 RealBadAngel       quite better than one vGA and Hercules i had once in times i made trainers for diablo 1
19:17 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: got a video of them turning corners and such?  I'm curious to see it in action :-)
19:17 VanessaE           video or it didn't happen!!!!1one
19:17 VanessaE           :-)
19:18 RealBadAngel       will post the vid later today
19:18 RealBadAngel       still fighting "find nearest storage"
19:19 RealBadAngel       i want prevent items lost
19:19 VanessaE           right
19:19 RealBadAngel       so the items when silly user will take a piece of tube
19:20 RealBadAngel       shall return somwhere
19:20 NekoGloop_         oh
19:20 RealBadAngel       not just bouncin in tubes
19:20 NekoGloop_         the redpower equivalent of what i want is the "sequencer"
19:20 RealBadAngel       heheh
19:20 RealBadAngel       neko liked repower i think :
19:20 RealBadAngel       :P
19:21 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: just give it a try :-)
19:21 NekoGloop_         nah
19:21 VanessaE           lazy ;)
19:21 NekoGloop_         I just dont want minecraft to be better ;)
19:21 RealBadAngel       neko i will kill u with this
19:21 VanessaE           minecraft ain't better, it's just fancier
19:21 RealBadAngel       RedPower is made by Eloraam
19:21 RealBadAngel       Girl
19:21 NekoGloop_         there are girls smarter than me
19:22 RealBadAngel       yup
19:22 NekoGloop_         i know and accept that
19:22 jin_xi             there are cats smarter than you
19:22 NekoGloop_         seriously, why do people think that girls being smart is a surprise?
19:22 RealBadAngel       so shut up, got examples get to work
19:22 NakedFury          O_O smart girl online!
19:22 RealBadAngel       be a man
19:23 NekoGloop_         havent finished watching the vid yet
19:25 GTRsdk             NekoGloop_: Did your mod add the mossy cobblestone?
19:25 NekoGloop_         my mod?
19:25 NekoGloop_         no thats default
19:25 GTRsdk             gloopores
19:25 GTRsdk             oh okay
19:25 NekoGloop_         nope
19:25 * GTRsdk           wonders what to do with mossy cobblestone
19:25 NekoGloop_         make a mossy house :3
19:25 VanessaE           GTRsdk: build with it?
19:25 RealBadAngel       dry it?
19:26 khonkhortisan      it doesn't dry
19:26 RealBadAngel       then clean
19:26 NekoGloop_         lol
19:27 NekoGloop_         hit it with a sweeper from moreblocks :3
19:27 NekoGloop_         (oh thats a good idea)
19:27 VanessaE           someone should make a mode where mossy cobble can be cooked back into regular cobble
19:27 VanessaE           (very short cook time of course)
19:27 RealBadAngel       grinder?
19:27 VanessaE           a/mode/mod/
19:28 RealBadAngel       it already does some weird changes ;)
19:28 khonkhortisan      stone->gravel->sand kind of weird?
19:28 RealBadAngel       merely logic lets say ;)
19:29 NekoGloop_         add some api so we can add our own grinding stuffs
19:29 RealBadAngel       i will
19:30 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: <nag> pumping fluids patch for pipeworks yet? :-) </nag>
19:30 RealBadAngel       will have to use such ways on my own
19:31 RealBadAngel       VanessaE: when i finish the tubes
19:31 VanessaE           ok :-)
19:31 RealBadAngel       i just will change the names
19:31 RealBadAngel       and it will work with fluids too
19:32 khonkhortisan      if it stops pumping you'll be left with a tube full of fluid, can't just empty it and put items through
19:32 VanessaE           tubes shouldn't work with fluids O don't rhink
19:32 RealBadAngel       and kind of pipe/tube
19:32 RealBadAngel       with anythin inside
19:32 RealBadAngel       rule is the same
19:32 khonkhortisan      you can make a mail sorter with item tubes
19:32 RealBadAngel       look
19:32 RealBadAngel       when i take power with wires
19:33 RealBadAngel       i just calculate inputs/outputs
19:33 RealBadAngel       at the same time
19:33 RealBadAngel       but when comes to items/fluids
19:34 RealBadAngel       it shall take time to transport/pump
19:34 RealBadAngel       agree?
19:35 khonkhortisan      you should release magic smoke when you overpower something
19:36 RealBadAngel       im tryin to make everythin to be half logical/makin sense/ 100% idiot proof
19:36 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: sounds right to me
19:36 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: you making use of those "loaded" pipes to show when a pipe has water in it?
19:36 RealBadAngel       i know where the item is
19:37 RealBadAngel       or the fluid
19:37 RealBadAngel       so breakin the net could result of a leak
19:37 RealBadAngel       if im doin Tarjan's each new step
19:38 RealBadAngel       and will detect pipeline break
19:38 RealBadAngel       i will just let the water go out
19:38 VanessaE           good idea
19:38 VanessaE           it should just spill out
19:39 VanessaE           ironically that means you don't need the outlet grate :D
19:39 RealBadAngel       or the items fall on the ground
19:39 RealBadAngel       hmmmm
19:39 RealBadAngel       good point
19:40 VanessaE           let me know when you implement that algorithm (and are happy with it) and I'll delete the outlet grate
19:40 RealBadAngel       hold on
19:41 RealBadAngel       im not such happy with fluids all around
19:41 VanessaE           make the user make logical decisions :-)
19:41 RealBadAngel       and greivers?
19:41 VanessaE           /rollback
19:41 VanessaE           :-)
19:41 RealBadAngel       breakin lava pumps?
19:41 VanessaE           let the server admin worry about dealing iwth griefers
19:42 khonkhortisan      breaking lava pumps is the same as breaking lava river banks, is it not?
19:42 VanessaE           we need to worry about making these mods flexible and somewhat realistix
19:42 VanessaE           s/x/c/
19:42 RealBadAngel       i could be accused then for dealin perfect tools for greivers :)
19:42 VanessaE           haha
19:42 VanessaE           someone released an acid mod just recently...
19:42 khonkhortisan      black market mods
19:42 VanessaE           and someone else said pipeworks might be useful with it!
19:43 VanessaE           (or "pipes" anyway, and mine is the only piping system I know of)
19:43 RealBadAngel       set a pump and flood a city with lava
19:43 GTRsdk             This channel is logged :o
19:43 VanessaE           so let's just make it only pump water for now
19:43 VanessaE           that's less hassle to clean up than lava
19:43 VanessaE           let someone else make it pump lava.
19:43 RealBadAngel       water can also be annoyin ;)
19:44 khonkhortisan      IF YOU CAN SEE THIS YOU ARE READING THE LOGS
19:44 khonkhortisan      :)
19:44 VanessaE           yes, but lava burns things and kills users.
19:44 VanessaE           water is just a nuisance
19:44 VanessaE           worldedit can erase it in short order
19:44 NekoGloop_         khonkhortisan: omg i didnt know. i must get back in IRC.
19:44 RealBadAngel       in minecraft water destroys logic cirucits
19:44 RealBadAngel       rails
19:44 RealBadAngel       etc
19:45 khonkhortisan      still have to make mesecons short out
19:45 VanessaE           NOTE TO THE NSA AGENT WHO IS READING THESE LOGS - THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, NOT REAL LIFE.  NOW FUCK OFF. :-)
19:45 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: noooooo
19:45 leo_rockway        I'd like to interject...
19:45 khonkhortisan      hehe why?
19:45 VanessaE           because mesecons are MAGIC :-)
19:45 NekoGloop_         I WANT A COOKIE
19:45 leo_rockway        water is easier to come by with
19:45 RealBadAngel       ok, lets talk about a bomb
19:45 leo_rockway        but lava isn't
19:45 leo_rockway        so pumping lava would make more sense
19:45 RealBadAngel       who wanna build a bomb? hand up plz
19:46 NekoGloop_         memememmemememememmemee!!!
19:46 RealBadAngel       ips will be logged
19:46 NekoGloop_         lol ya right
19:46 leo_rockway        this IP is not even mine o.o
19:46 khonkhortisan      if you want to get the nsa involved, you have to talk about bombs, the president, terrorists, allah, homeland security, weapons of mass destruction, that kind of stuff.
19:46 RealBadAngel       hehehe
19:46 NekoGloop_         this IP is actually corresponding to someone down the road
19:47 RealBadAngel       you pointed everythin i think
19:47 RealBadAngel       now its surely loged
19:47 khonkhortisan      NekoGloop_: now we know the search radius
19:47 NekoGloop_         lol
19:47 NekoGloop_         ya right
19:47 khonkhortisan      now somebody with their desk job has to read everything the computer automatically selects.
19:48 khonkhortisan      play minetest! it's much better than your government job!
19:48 RealBadAngel       just add area51 to the filter
19:48 RealBadAngel       and we all are doomed
19:48 RealBadAngel       ooopsie
19:48 RealBadAngel       i did it
19:48 NekoGloop_         nope
19:49 NekoGloop_         YOURE doomed, not us :3
19:49 RealBadAngel       im just with area51
19:49 khonkhortisan      what if you were actually on a channel that they were looking for? would you have to use code words all the time?
19:49 Keegann            hello
19:49 iqualfragile       yeah, right, we did not mention the secrets of area51
19:49 khonkhortisan      hello
19:49 Keegann            how r u
19:49 iqualfragile       khonkhortisan: you would just encrypt
19:49 khonkhortisan      ran into a wall with mesecon node capability
19:49 khonkhortisan      oh.
19:50 khonkhortisan      as long as you didn't export encryptions out of the country
19:50 khonkhortisan      it's really easy to go off-topic
19:51 VanessaE           scary thing is, I use my real name online, I don't hide behind a handle, so it would be trivial for an NSA suit to track me down
19:51 RealBadAngel       lets talk donuts
19:51 RealBadAngel       man i love donuts
19:51 khonkhortisan      I hide behind a universal avatar, and have my real name separate from it - I hope
19:51 NekoGloop_         i hide behind a stupid mask
19:52 iqualfragile       i live in a democracy
19:52 RealBadAngel       btw, does donuts explode?
19:52 khonkhortisan      load your mask before joining the channel
19:52 NekoGloop_         nonono
19:52 iqualfragile       not like all those poor americans on this channel
19:52 khonkhortisan      if you use airplane jelly
19:52 NekoGloop_         I mean a mask of stupidity
19:52 khonkhortisan      oh you really meant a "stupid mask"
19:52 NekoGloop_         :3
19:52 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: only if you make them out of C4
19:53 khonkhortisan      isn't petroleum jelly flammable? just make jelly-filled doughnuts
19:53 leo_rockway        VanessaE: or, you could be saying that t let the NSA capture the real VanessaE while you drink piñas coladas in Cancún.
19:53 VanessaE           never tried, but I know baby oil is
19:53 khonkhortisan      no one can resist jelly-filled
19:53 VanessaE           (I used a makeshift torch consisting of a wire and a small ball of toilet paper soaked in baby oil to create the flame used in my animated torches mod)
19:54 leo_rockway        VanessaE: you do so much for us! =]
19:54 iqualfragile       if you want to build a bomb wich you can take on a plan-flight
19:55 VanessaE           leo_rockway: I try :-)
19:55 iqualfragile       just take your laptop with you, overcharge the battery and BOOM
19:55 khonkhortisan      not saying BillOfMaterials or BuisnessOppertunityMeeting on an airplane is a stupid rule
19:55 leo_rockway        iqualfragile: Vaios did that without even asking.
19:57 khonkhortisan      and what's the next person's name to write down? Billy of Massachusetts? phone number... address... alias BOM <alarm starts>
19:57 khonkhortisan      VanessaE: how do you connect a horizontal mesecon to a vertical mesecon without connecting two horizontals?
19:58 NekoGloop_         magic
19:58 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: there's no logic for that yet, but jeija suggested a sort of "junction plate", like this:
19:58 NakedFury          khonkhor: can you use the pos1/pos2 commands of world edit in favor for mesecons? it could help for that
19:58 VanessaE           ----___----
19:58 VanessaE           |
19:58 VanessaE           |
19:59 VanessaE           |
19:59 GTRsdk             how do you get a TNT?
19:59 VanessaE           ___---------
19:59 GTRsdk             sorry for breaking the emoticon thing, VanessaE
19:59 VanessaE           khonkhortisan:  one such plate at each end of a vertical wire
19:59 NekoGloop_         GTRsdk: you dont
19:59 VanessaE           and plain, simple verticals along the length
19:59 khonkhortisan      so then I'd need a two-way, three-way, four-way, and five-way vertical junction - with facedirs
20:00 khonkhortisan      and the same upside-down
20:00 NekoGloop_         how about a junction box
20:00 NekoGloop_         that is crafted with 4 mesecons in a + shape
20:00 NekoGloop_         idk just thinking out loud
20:00 khonkhortisan      mesecons aren't in the center of the node, it's not very simple
20:00 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: I think jeija was suggesting a single plate that goes all four ways
20:01 NekoGloop_         heh
20:01 GTRsdk             NekoGloop_: why not?
20:01 VanessaE           but personally, your way sounds better
20:01 RealBadAngel       all is takin whole node
20:01 khonkhortisan      then a vertical junction plate could be combined with the disconnected plus
20:01 NekoGloop_         hm?
20:01 RealBadAngel       its just the gfx representation of it
20:01 NekoGloop_         we talking about my idea now?
20:01 RealBadAngel       look at my early power cables
20:02 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: if it were up to me,
20:02 khonkhortisan      yeah, you're right, it's just the nodeboxes that are different. But if mesecons were in the center, they couldn't connect diagonally
20:02 VanessaE           I would just use the existing mesecons
20:02 VanessaE           and just run them up/down the sides of nodes as usual
20:02 NekoGloop_         i think i've figured out how to do nodeboxes and have them look better
20:02 VanessaE           that way no new models are needed, just new rules
20:02 RealBadAngel       bout connectin, after my idea, some1 other become a specialist
20:02 RealBadAngel       talk to VanessaE
20:02 VanessaE           I ain't no specialist :-)
20:03 RealBadAngel       but still
20:03 RealBadAngel       you are
20:03 RealBadAngel       but still
20:03 RealBadAngel       all is single node always
20:03 * GTRsdk           wonders how to make a TNT
20:03 RealBadAngel       what a node will calculate
20:03 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: yep, but that works out fine since only one circuit is allowed per node anyway
20:03 RealBadAngel       is only up to node istelf
20:04 RealBadAngel       we r talkin bundled ones now?
20:04 VanessaE           no
20:04 khonkhortisan      noo that's later
20:04 VanessaE           just simple vertical wires
20:04 khonkhortisan      if at all
20:04 RealBadAngel       ye
20:04 RealBadAngel       make a signal
20:04 RealBadAngel       in node
20:04 RealBadAngel       but not just 0 or 1
20:05 RealBadAngel       but make it 4 bits
20:05 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: I think bundled wires would be doable, using binary information in the nodes' metadata, but it'll require extensions to mesecons' API
20:05 khonkhortisan      it can't handle bundled wires yet because it's still stuck thinking all wires have states of either on or off
20:05 RealBadAngel       or 16
20:05 VanessaE           for now though
20:05 khonkhortisan      bundled wire and disconnected intersections require the same feature
20:05 RealBadAngel       each bit will represent level of singal in the node
20:05 VanessaE           let's just stick to one node = one signal
20:06 RealBadAngel       then make again gfx representation for it
20:06 NekoGloop_         lets work on vertical right now
20:07 NekoGloop_         i highly doubt redpower was done in a day, no?
20:07 RealBadAngel       if in node is aviable >1 state theres bundle here
20:07 khonkhortisan      teaser image: www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/7869501622/in/photostream/lightbox/
20:08 NekoGloop_         except now just get the same "item" to be both
20:08 RealBadAngel       this way you can make data buses inside nodes
20:09 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: nice
20:09 RealBadAngel       and represent ootputs as coloured wires
20:09 khonkhortisan      they aren't really connected, the wires are connecting to the switch in the background
20:09 VanessaE           I brought the colored wires idea up with jeija, he isn't too keen on it
20:09 RealBadAngel       not yet i think
20:10 RealBadAngel       he will come to it
20:10 RealBadAngel       with more logic hunger
20:10 NekoGloop_         well now that we have insulated just get the insulated to connect to themselves porperly
20:10 VanessaE           I think the issue is how many nodes it would add
20:10 NekoGloop_         then worry about colored
20:10 khonkhortisan      you need bundled wire for single-node rgb pixels
20:10 RealBadAngel       look
20:10 NekoGloop_         -then- do bundled
20:10 VanessaE           it takes 80-some nodes to make mesecons properly climb up and down and around the cubes they're laid on
20:10 RealBadAngel       colour -> colour
20:10 VanessaE           color.
20:10 RealBadAngel       colour -> bundled
20:10 khonkhortisan      colour <- colour
20:10 NekoGloop_         color*
20:11 VanessaE           American spelling.  Color.
20:11 khonkhortisan      theatre
20:11 RealBadAngel       unisulated only to nearest coulour, never to bundled
20:11 NekoGloop_         theater*
20:11 khonkhortisan      hehe
20:11 RealBadAngel       this way, 3 simple rules
20:12 khonkhortisan      I see what you mean, wire to color to merger to bundled
20:12 RealBadAngel       you can make uninsulated, couloured, bundled circuits
20:12 khonkhortisan      that's a good way to do that
20:12 khonkhortisan      it already knows which whire is bundled where
20:13 khonkhortisan      I assume colored wires behave as insulated
20:13 RealBadAngel       unisnulated to every coulor, coulors never join, all colours join to bundle, no unisulated to bundle
20:13 RealBadAngel       sorry, four
20:14 NekoGloop_         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wtcWuJecJA
20:14 NekoGloop_         just a random redpower vid ;)
20:14 RealBadAngel       this way you go from simple logic units to data buses
20:15 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: rules sound simple enough but how many new nodes are we talking about here?
20:15 VanessaE           maybe we're getting into "mesecons-power" mod territory?  i.e. a new mod
20:16 RealBadAngel       @neko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgtG4W6_x8 eat this
20:16 NekoGloop_         im doing gloopcons. (he-he hah-hah another pun on my name)
20:16 RealBadAngel       thats real RedPower
20:16 NekoGloop_         seen it already
20:17 NekoGloop_         the one i linked was a tutorial on redpower itself
20:17 RealBadAngel       all built on this simple rules
20:17 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: looks like a hotel from a distance
20:17 GTRsdk             so why is it that when I go so far, I find blue... Is that the end of the world?
20:17 NekoGloop_         yes gtr
20:18 RealBadAngel       here you can see connection rules
20:18 RealBadAngel       for the bundled, coloured ones etc
20:18 GTRsdk             will that blue ever be replaced, or is the world stopped at that point, and will not continue?
20:18 RealBadAngel       whole functional computer built with it
20:19 NekoGloop_         lol at the sonic screwdriver
20:19 RealBadAngel       never seen dr who?
20:19 NekoGloop_         (http://nemesis.evalq.net/RedPower2/recipes.html ) i like the description it has here
20:19 NekoGloop_         yes I have
20:19 NekoGloop_         and that's why I like it
20:19 RealBadAngel       its the tool to rotate nodes
20:19 NekoGloop_         yes i know
20:20 NekoGloop_         you want to make a similar thing in technic
20:20 RealBadAngel       extremely useful when rotatin logic gates
20:21 RealBadAngel       got 4 inputs/outputs
20:21 RealBadAngel       you rotate the gate
20:21 RealBadAngel       to fit the circuit
20:21 RealBadAngel       like and with 1 output and 3 inputs
20:21 NekoGloop_         that would require a lot of changes for mesecons
20:22 NekoGloop_         since microcontrollers dont do facedir for a reason
20:22 RealBadAngel       ucs are fine idea
20:22 RealBadAngel       but i think too much complicated
20:23 NekoGloop_         and redpower isnt?
20:23 RealBadAngel       only hardcore will use ucs
20:23 NekoGloop_         heh
20:23 RealBadAngel       no it isnt
20:23 RealBadAngel       you just take a gate and use it
20:24 RealBadAngel       no need to programm it
20:24 NekoGloop_         oh
20:24 NekoGloop_         need more presets?
20:24 RealBadAngel       then use COMPUTER
20:24 NekoGloop_         augh
20:24 RealBadAngel       forth provided
20:24 NekoGloop_         stop going on about this stupid computer thing
20:24 VanessaE           I can see an argument for discrete gates in addition to µC's
20:25 NekoGloop_         VanessaE: nah not really
20:25 RealBadAngel       yes
20:25 VanessaE           if someone can take whiskers75's AND gate and make it more universal it might be useful
20:25 RealBadAngel       i need a timer
20:25 RealBadAngel       why i should code it?
20:25 NekoGloop_         I want a sequencer :P
20:25 RealBadAngel       i need a circular timer
20:25 NekoGloop_         RealBadAngel: because... THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!!!!
20:26 VanessaE           so make a node to do it and we'll see about adding it to mesecons
20:26 * RealBadAngel     kicks neko down the vault
20:26 NekoGloop_         im workin on it
20:26 iqualfragile       /quit
20:27 iqualfragile       /quit
20:27 RealBadAngel       look folks
20:27 iqualfragile       why doesnt it work?
20:27 iqualfragile       /quit
20:27 RealBadAngel       i not we had problems with copyin the ideas
20:27 iqualfragile       damn
20:27 RealBadAngel       all the time
20:27 NekoGloop_         well then dont call it the same thing
20:27 RealBadAngel       but i can assure you, Eloraam's ideas are great
20:28 RealBadAngel       just try to play with it for a bit
20:28 RealBadAngel       she is makin shes own game
20:28 RealBadAngel       Minia
20:29 RealBadAngel       treatin Minecraft as test field
20:29 RealBadAngel       and she done miracles here
20:29 RealBadAngel       notch and his company will never do somethin similar
20:29 NekoGloop_         alright now i want to kill realbadangel. who's with me?
20:30 Airook             I just got here. I'm going with the flow.
20:30 NekoGloop_         cool
20:30 NSA_Agent          watch your step, sir
20:30 NekoGloop_         now i wanna kill him even more
20:31 NekoGloop_         now lets see... lets get some textures -first-, then have some coding
20:31 RealBadAngel       suuuuuure
20:32 Airook             I'm a texture-freak
20:32 NekoGloop_         that's how i always work
20:32 RealBadAngel       make some new stairs :P
20:32 NekoGloop_         :P
20:32 NekoGloop_         i'm doing a sequencer
20:32 RealBadAngel       why not?
20:32 NekoGloop_         oh sure mese stairs, why not? :P
20:32 RealBadAngel       YOU dont like STAIRS?
20:33 * NekoGloop_       kicks realbadangel's shin
20:33 RealBadAngel       good you were faster
20:33 RealBadAngel       make the mod
20:33 RealBadAngel       will give +10
20:34 NekoGloop_         we need working wireless again
20:34 RealBadAngel       theres a way
20:34 NekoGloop_         i know
20:34 RealBadAngel       i was thinkin a bit bout it
20:34 NekoGloop_         but I'm too lazy to do so
20:34 RealBadAngel       why all such mods failed
20:35 RealBadAngel       great power mod by mauvebic
20:35 RealBadAngel       etc
20:35 NekoGloop_         what's that?
20:35 RealBadAngel       meta
20:35 RealBadAngel       thats an answer
20:35 RealBadAngel       that is never lost
20:36 NekoGloop_         unfortunately I dont really give a flying shit :3
20:36 RealBadAngel       look
20:36 NekoGloop_         ?
20:36 RealBadAngel       want a wireless network workin?
20:36 RealBadAngel       look around
20:36 NekoGloop_         ?
20:36 RealBadAngel       what companies build?
20:37 RealBadAngel       to cover an area?
20:37 RealBadAngel       place a node then
20:37 RealBadAngel       that will store in its meta all the wireless net data
20:38 RealBadAngel       and will cover loaded area
20:38 RealBadAngel       such like in IRL
20:39 RealBadAngel       once reloaded it will continue to work again
20:39 Keegann            what is everyone doing?
20:39 VanessaE           discussing new features to add to mesecons
20:39 RealBadAngel       ingoring you?
20:39 Keegann            ok
20:39 RealBadAngel       you know, orders
20:39 RealBadAngel       trolls shall not be feeded
20:40 Keegann            cool
20:40 VanessaE           guys, don't harass
20:41 NekoGloop_         how should the sequencer work? of its own accord?
20:41 RealBadAngel       yeah yeah, he promised several times to change
20:42 NekoGloop_         (no need to define an off state?)
20:42 VanessaE           NekoGloop_: I think give it a single pulse into one line to start the sequence
20:42 VanessaE           maybe hold one line high to stop
20:42 NekoGloop_         hm... nah
20:42 NekoGloop_         blinky plants dont need that.
20:42 VanessaE           but once started, it should run of its own accord
20:43 Keegann            this is a minetest channel not a keegan channel
20:43 RealBadAngel       so why youre here???
20:43 Keegann            cause i play minetest
20:44 bas080             Keegann, are you on the forums?
20:44 Keegann            why
20:44 RealBadAngel       not enough, grow a bit first
20:44 bas080             cause there's where all the juice mods are ;)
20:44 Keegann            ?
20:44 bas080             http://minetest.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=11
20:45 NekoGloop_         lol @ id=11
20:45 RealBadAngel       but i CANT still see the point havin the greifer here
20:45 RealBadAngel       he shall be banned
20:45 NekoGloop_         landmine isnt banneed
20:45 bas080             griefers are humans too.
20:46 bas080             I like people that put the system to the test
20:46 RealBadAngel       but morons?
20:46 Keegann            yes
20:46 bas080             idiots :)
20:46 RealBadAngel       shall i love them?
20:46 NekoGloop_         griefers are morons
20:46 NekoGloop_         morons shall not be welcomed
20:46 Keegann            nope just clever people
20:46 NekoGloop_         heh
20:46 RealBadAngel       uh oh
20:47 NekoGloop_         methinks he's taking after landmine
20:47 RealBadAngel       what you just said???
20:47 RealBadAngel       clever?
20:47 bas080             Keegan, thank you
20:47 RealBadAngel       somebody kick him please
20:47 RealBadAngel       PLEASE
20:47 Keegann            you know theres no op right?
20:47 Keegann            ops*
20:47 VanessaE           bas080: so, that mod you were working on, which was it again?
20:47 bas080             ***bas080 kicks Keegann
20:48 VanessaE           I can't remember except that I wanted it
20:48 bas080             chess or jungletrees?
20:48 RealBadAngel       thank you
20:48 VanessaE           jungletrees yes
20:48 bas080             VanessaE?
20:48 bas080             yes, it's comming allong really good. The trees though.
20:48 VanessaE           bas080: just looking forward to it :-)  how's the speed?
20:49 bas080             VanessaE, The generate in habitat function is a bit messy. And i don't want to reallese it as it is dependent on the plants mod for the generate in habitat function.
20:49 NekoGloop_         "Click show comment to go on an adventure" 50 clicks later... "Click show comment to go on an adventure" its funny when they overlap like this
20:49 VanessaE           bas080: understood; just curious how it affects the game's performace
20:50 VanessaE           performance.
20:50 RealBadAngel       Keegann: although you may find me as your enemy. i was tryin to educate you. and were defending you exaplaining folks that after that you may change
20:50 RealBadAngel       you failed them all
20:50 RealBadAngel       and me
20:50 Keegann            and me
20:50 RealBadAngel       when you greifed another server
20:50 bas080             VanessaE, the performance is really nice. I have a crappy computer and it's just as glitchy with as without the trees.
20:50 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: please stop.
20:50 VanessaE           it isn't helping
20:50 Keegann            educate me you diidnt even talk to me
20:50 bas080             I can put it on github for you to see.
20:51 bas080             Maybe get some people invloved
20:51 VanessaE           bas080: no worries, I'll wait till you're done
20:51 RealBadAngel       VanessaE: ive spoken everythin i had to say
20:51 Keegann            RealBadAngel you never talk to me so how were you trying to educate me?
20:52 NekoGloop_         I fINISHED THE COMMENT ADVENTURE
20:52 NekoGloop_         http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=IKbKOC2QNgg&feature=endscreen
20:52 NekoGloop_         latest comment on that vid
20:52 RealBadAngel       nekooo
20:52 RealBadAngel       gimme break pleas :P
20:52 NekoGloop_         what?
20:53 NekoGloop_         for what?
20:53 NekoGloop_         O.O
20:53 RealBadAngel       i just hate manga ;)
20:53 RealBadAngel       lo
20:53 NekoGloop          its not manga
20:53 NekoGloop          its touhou
20:53 NekoGloop          a bullet hell game
20:54 NekoGloop          try it sometime, you might like it
20:54 RealBadAngel       yah, manga like
20:54 NekoGloop          no its not lol
20:54 NekoGloop          japanese but not manga like\
20:54 NekoGloop          besides there's an english patch
20:55 RealBadAngel       i just wonder
20:56 NekoGloop          ?
20:56 RealBadAngel       why the heck, the eurpoeans, us, or whatever
20:56 NekoGloop          yeeeees?
20:56 RealBadAngel       feels so orgasmic when sein freak japanese animations
20:57 RealBadAngel       isnt that sick?
20:57 NekoGloop          yes it is
20:57 thexyz             RealBadAngel: links please
20:57 NekoGloop          you arent describing me though
20:57 RealBadAngel       lol
20:57 RealBadAngel       ask NekoGloop
20:57 NekoGloop          ?
20:58 NekoGloop          I'm not here... *slips away*
20:58 RealBadAngel       provide the links
20:58 NekoGloop          http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=IKbKOC2QNgg&feature=endscreen this one?
20:58 RealBadAngel       audience wants japanese orgasms
20:58 NekoGloop          you all are disgusting
20:59 RealBadAngel       lol
20:59 RealBadAngel       for christ sake
20:59 RealBadAngel       whats ur nationality?
20:59 NekoGloop          american
20:59 RealBadAngel       thats not nationality at all
21:00 RealBadAngel       thats the place you live
21:00 NekoGloop          but your stereotype is just that. a stereotype. there's people who dont fit it.
21:00 NekoGloop          ... so I live in american?
21:00 NekoGloop          wow i didnt know -_-
21:00 RealBadAngel       americans you propably could meet
21:01 RealBadAngel       false called indians once
21:01 NekoGloop          ...
21:01 RealBadAngel       you, sir
21:01 NekoGloop          i have no idea what you are saying
21:01 RealBadAngel       is just an alien there :P
21:02 VanessaE           ?
21:02 RealBadAngel       some folks from europe invaded america
21:02 NekoGloop          i am german. thats as far back as my salvagable family history goes.
21:02 RealBadAngel       killed most of them with diseaes
21:02 RealBadAngel       and guns
21:02 iqualfragile       no, you arent german
21:02 iqualfragile       you are a cat
21:03 RealBadAngel       and called them indians
21:03 RealBadAngel       because they were lost
21:03 VanessaE           we call them Native Americans now.
21:03 NekoGloop          ...
21:03 NekoGloop          how the heck did we get to this
21:03 RealBadAngel       they were headin to India
21:03 VanessaE           columbus or whoever it was who coined them Indians was an idiot :-)
21:04 RealBadAngel       but is stayed
21:04 NekoGloop          RelaBadAngel: thank you for that history lesson that i've heard -at least- 20 times.
21:04 RealBadAngel       no problemo sir
21:05 NekoGloop          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJuVusiZG8g&feature=related
21:06 RealBadAngel       if it will manga again, gonna shit ur neck
21:06 RealBadAngel       ok?
21:06 NekoGloop          its not manga
21:06 NekoGloop          if anything its anime
21:07 NekoGloop          but above that its a song
21:07 RealBadAngel       youre pushin me ;)
21:07 RealBadAngel       ok, lets listen
21:07 NekoGloop          i can do as i wish
21:07 NakedFury          you should know by now that everything neko posts about youtube are japanese stuff
21:07 NekoGloop          japanese or instrumental
21:07 NakedFury          instrumental japanese
21:08 NakedFury          same shit
21:08 NekoGloop          because knowing what I'm hearing makes my mind stray
21:08 RealBadAngel       lol
21:08 RealBadAngel       neko....
21:08 NekoGloop          yes?
21:09 RealBadAngel       I'LL RIP YOUR HEAD OF AND SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK
21:09 NekoGloop          ya right
21:09 RealBadAngel       but wait
21:09 NekoGloop          you -do- know I dont even look at the vids half the time? I'm usually coding or chatting
21:09 RealBadAngel       im all out of bubble gum
21:10 RealBadAngel       shut you profane
21:10 RealBadAngel       we are socializing
21:11 NekoGloop          ?
21:11 RealBadAngel       learin how to live togeghter nice and easy? ;)
21:12 NekoGloop          im not gonna live with you
21:12 RealBadAngel       :P
21:12 RealBadAngel       but im definitely need a new keyboard :P
21:12 NekoGloop          same as i need a mic
21:13 * jin_xi           gives RealBadAngel some bubble gum
21:14 RealBadAngel       thx
21:14 RealBadAngel       way better
21:14 iqualfragile       NekoGloop: Ist ihnen STEINS;GATE bekannt?
21:14 NekoGloop          ... what
21:14 * RealBadAngel     chews some bubble gum
21:14 RealBadAngel       so? what?
21:14 NekoGloop          i have no idea what he just said...
21:14 RealBadAngel       Your face. Your ass. What's the difference?
21:17 thexyz             at least i know what steins;gate is
21:18 thexyz             but can't understand any other word in his message
21:18 NekoGloop          im bored
21:18 RealBadAngel       {dukenukem3d}
21:19 iqualfragile       ah, right, i missspelled it, so you obviously couldnt read anything
21:19 iqualfragile       NekoGloop: Ist Ihnen STEINS;GATE bekannt?
21:19 iqualfragile       thats better
21:19 NekoGloop          i dont speak german
21:19 NekoGloop          i am of german descent
21:19 RealBadAngel       stein gates? was mahst du denn?
21:21 NekoGloop          hm...
21:21 VanessaE           hey PilzAdam
21:21 PilzAdam           Hello everyone!
21:21 NekoGloop          well making all these images is boring :/
21:21 jin_xi             Guten Abend Adam
21:21 RealBadAngel       NekoGloop: Shut up and dance
21:21 PilzAdam           jin_xi, this is german
21:21 * NekoGloop        dances
21:22 jin_xi             je sais
21:22 * iqualfragile     shuts nekogloop up
21:22 NekoGloop          anything you say can and will be used against you... SO SHUT UP AND DANCE :#
21:22 NekoGloop          :3*
21:22 RealBadAngel       lol
21:23 RealBadAngel       good point
21:23 NekoGloop          a meme from youtube
21:23 * jin_xi           does the crip walk
21:23 iqualfragile       PilzAdam: Ist Ihnen STEINS;GATE bekannt?
21:24 PilzAdam           bald... : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steins;Gate
21:25 NekoGloop          lol
21:25 iqualfragile       In jedem Falle sehr empfehlenswert.
21:25 NekoGloop          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steins;Gate is a game lol
21:27 * VanessaE         notes NekoGloop's comment about dancing and just sits down in the channel easy chair
21:27 VanessaE           to hell with dancing, too much work :-)
21:27 NekoGloop          RealBadAngel: may i have that redpower link again, the one for the recipes?
21:27 NekoGloop          I agree with VanessaE
21:27 RealBadAngel       leute, est ist EN channel
21:27 NekoGloop          hey that rhymes
21:28 thexyz             that's the right link http://myanimelist.net/anime/9253/Steins;Gate
21:28 NekoGloop          RealBadAngel: shaddup about the fact this is the english channel and get that link.
21:28 RealBadAngel       Go ahead, make my day.
21:28 NekoGloop          ...
21:29 NekoGloop          i do not see much link-fetching getting done
21:29 RealBadAngel       a sec
21:29 RealBadAngel       shut up just
21:30 RealBadAngel       ok, eat some: http://nemesis.evalq.net/RedPower2/recipes.html
21:30 * NekoGloop        eats the redpower :3
21:30 NekoGloop          tastes like chicken
21:31 PilzAdam           if hear human tastes like chicken...
21:31 PilzAdam           *heared
21:31 NekoGloop          it does though
21:31 iqualfragile       it depends on the human
21:31 NekoGloop          yes
21:31 iqualfragile       some taste more like cow
21:31 iqualfragile       others more like pig
21:31 NekoGloop          some taste like cow, some like donkey, some like pig, etc.
21:31 iqualfragile       (americans)
21:32 NekoGloop          (think of the alternate name for donkey)
21:32 PilzAdam           americans taste like McDonalds
21:32 leo_rockway        burro!
21:32 RealBadAngel       fuuuu
21:32 NekoGloop          no
21:32 NekoGloop          this is not rage like pewdiepie day
21:33 RealBadAngel       who likes mc donalnds or similar shit?
21:33 NekoGloop          i like mcdonalds
21:33 RealBadAngel       its all chemie
21:33 jin_xi             i like uncle dolan comics
21:33 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, i like chemie
21:33 RealBadAngel       eat coal
21:33 jin_xi             Dr. Shulgin anyone?
21:34 NekoGloop          no rba
21:34 NekoGloop          eat mese
21:34 * NekoGloop        fless
21:34 RealBadAngel       lol
21:34 NekoGloop          fless*
21:34 NekoGloop          dammit
21:34 NekoGloop          flees*
21:34 jin_xi             fleas?
21:34 * NekoGloop        flees
21:35 NekoGloop          so..
21:35 NekoGloop          who else wants the cut nodes like in redpower?
21:35 RealBadAngel       have ever seen how the kfc chickenc or mcdonalds hamubrgers are born?
21:36 NekoGloop          no and dont care
21:36 RealBadAngel       do it
21:36 NekoGloop          > dont care
21:36 RealBadAngel       you will never eat it again
21:37 PilzAdam           i watches it and eat them
21:37 PilzAdam           -s +ed
21:37 RealBadAngel       freak
21:37 NekoGloop          oh hold on
21:37 NekoGloop          I'm gonna be back in a sec, getting my big mac
21:37 jin_xi             well, what will you eat then? all industrially produced meat is the same stuff basically. same genome cows feed on other cows and antibiotics and stereoids
21:37 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, you know Charles Darwin?
21:37 RealBadAngel       FREAKS!!!!
21:37 RealBadAngel       i do
21:38 PilzAdam           survival of the.... human!
21:38 jin_xi             lol
21:38 RealBadAngel       eatin of the shit?
21:38 VanessaE           zzz
21:39 NakedFury          the conversation here has gone down the drain
21:39 PilzAdam           humans are the most powerful specie in this world
21:39 RealBadAngel       is the step in darwin's theory of evolution then?
21:39 NekoGloop          it died down because i left
21:40 VanessaE           PilzAdam: too bad humans have a tendency to use that power against each other
21:40 VanessaE           I swear my husband and I must be from a different planet.
21:40 PilzAdam           VanessaE, i was talking about chicken...
21:40 VanessaE           oh ok :-)
21:40 * NekoGloop        pokes PilzAdam and VanessaE
21:40 leo_rockway        RealBadAngel: I'm playing MC to see how it compares to MT.
21:40 * VanessaE         pokes NekoGloop with PilzAdam
21:40 leo_rockway        I'm vegan in the game o.o
21:41 RealBadAngel       lol
21:41 VanessaE           leo_rockway: VEGAN!?!?  BLASPHEMER!
21:41 * PilzAdam         pokes VanessaE with NekoGloop
21:41 VanessaE           steone him!
21:41 leo_rockway        VanessaE: in the game only.
21:41 VanessaE           stone him too
21:41 NekoGloop          wtf happened here O.O
21:41 VanessaE           oh ok, don't stone him then :D
21:41 NakedFury          how goes that leo?
21:41 leo_rockway        I tried to go vegetarian once... my family got mad at me o.o
21:41 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I'm tired and late to the game, so I'm just taking shit :-)
21:41 leo_rockway        NakedFury: cookies and bread.
21:41 * PilzAdam         stones leo_rockway in-game
21:42 NakedFury          I mean your comparison review of minecraft and minetest
21:42 jin_xi             i've tried doing a vegan ascension but i ate an elf D:
21:42 leo_rockway        NakedFury: oh... MT is faster and prettier. We lack mobs.
21:42 VanessaE           haa
21:42 NakedFury          prettier doesnt count
21:42 NekoGloop          MT?
21:42 leo_rockway        I think MT can surpass MC
21:42 NekoGloop          FASTER?
21:42 NekoGloop          OMG
21:42 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: MC is REALLY slow in comparison, yes.
21:42 RealBadAngel       elf's are not tasty
21:42 NekoGloop          MINECRAFT MUST GO AT TURTLE SPEED
21:42 NakedFury          so its faster, anything else?
21:42 jin_xi             sleep resistance...
21:42 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, you have a super-slow computer?
21:43 NekoGloop          no
21:43 PilzAdam           seems so
21:43 leo_rockway        NakedFury: Lua API is nice... I think mods in MC are also Java.
21:43 NekoGloop          just its kinda slow
21:43 VanessaE           NekoGloop: it's much nicer looking now that we can do anisotropic filtering and mipmapping :-)\
21:43 NekoGloop          ?
21:43 NakedFury          yes mc mods are in java
21:43 leo_rockway        Java is ugly. o.o
21:43 VanessaE           leo_rockway: they aren't just "in" java - they're the game code, modified
21:43 RealBadAngel       oh btw
21:43 PilzAdam           Java is great
21:43 leo_rockway        VanessaE: oh, so they aren't proper mods, like we have?
21:43 NekoGloop          1) Pilz is too lazy to make map mod work in windows
21:43 VanessaE           PilzAdam: yueah, if you run a supercomputer.
21:44 jin_xi             java is great for people who like verbosity
21:44 RealBadAngel       PilzAdam:spit it
21:44 NekoGloop          2) I'm too lazy to figure out why it doesnt work
21:44 leo_rockway        the thing is that our CPU problems are a problem.
21:44 leo_rockway        in MC, they are the default
21:44 leo_rockway        Java can't be fixed in that regard
21:44 leo_rockway        but MT used to be fast, it's only slow now because of code issues.
21:44 PilzAdam           Java is generaly good, but not in MC
21:44 VanessaE           leo_rockway: nope, you have to decompile MC program code and modify it
21:44 leo_rockway        VanessaE: horrible.
21:44 RealBadAngel       wait guys and ladies for a link
21:44 VanessaE           there's no proper API, though I think I read somewhere that Mojang plans to change that
21:45 NakedFury          mojang is making the api
21:45 NakedFury          right now for mods they hack the source code
21:45 leo_rockway        also, there's potions and enchanting which I don't really care about
21:45 leo_rockway        or nether...
21:45 VanessaE           NakedFury: but he hasn't yet.  so we're still ahead in tha tcase.
21:45 NekoGloop          i wonder if the pocket edition will eventually have modding support
21:45 PilzAdam           https://github.com/Mojang/Minecraft-API
21:46 NekoGloop          personally i want enchanting in minetest
21:46 leo_rockway        so I really do think that MT is more future-proof.
21:46 NekoGloop          it seems really cool
21:46 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: I don't think it would be difficult to mod that.
21:46 NakedFury          minetest needs more fixes and stuff to be better and be awesome
21:46 leo_rockway        except we don't have XP points.
21:46 NekoGloop          yup
21:47 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: but other stuff could be used instead
21:47 NekoGloop          XP could possibly be gained by breaking blocks. the rarer the block the more XP.
21:47 leo_rockway        like gold...
21:47 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: I think you can make it like alchemy, and you need to use gold, instead of XP points.
21:47 NekoGloop          hmmm
21:47 leo_rockway        there's gold in moreores.
21:47 NekoGloop          i know
21:48 NekoGloop          ood idea
21:48 NekoGloop          but your distracting me from gloopcons
21:48 leo_rockway        I'm with c55 in that we shouldn't copy every MC thing
21:48 leo_rockway        but we can borrow concepts and adapt them in our own way
21:48 NekoGloop          yup
21:48 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8wg1d0LSU
21:49 leo_rockway        the mobs in animals mod: vombie, bomboom, netherfreak...
21:49 leo_rockway        seriously?
21:49 leo_rockway        we have a full world of possibilities and we use the same bad guys?
21:49 NekoGloop          ikr
21:49 NakedFury          vombie sounds weird but if its not a zombie then I like it
21:49 NekoGloop          well
21:49 leo_rockway        NakedFury: it is
21:49 NekoGloop          we could have trolls :3
21:49 NakedFury          ok dont like it
21:49 leo_rockway        we could have cavemen
21:50 leo_rockway        dinosaurs
21:50 NakedFury          millions of possibilities and we end up with same mobs?
21:50 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTvSYEcGAw
21:50 leo_rockway        I liked the pterodactyl idea...
21:50 NekoGloop          enemies that blow up are good for a game of this kind, making you rebuild
21:50 leo_rockway        NakedFury: yes :S
21:50 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: the DM shot fireballs that destroyed blocks.
21:50 leo_rockway        kind of like nether ghasts...
21:50 NekoGloop          meh
21:51 PilzAdam           wheres the oerki in animals mod?
21:51 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWAk_ImYNdY
21:51 leo_rockway        PilzAdam: it's not, AFAIK.
21:51 NekoGloop          PilzAdam: go to the blog and fetch the mobs from there
21:51 RealBadAngel       take a look on those
21:51 RealBadAngel       bump mapping changes the game
21:51 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: the mobs are DMs and they do nothing.
21:51 PilzAdam           minetest had some nice new mobs but the animals mod uses the MC mobs
21:52 NekoGloop          well
21:52 NekoGloop          you could very easily stop whining and change the mobs
21:52 RealBadAngel       minetest has irchligt
21:52 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: the animals mod is a hack.
21:52 leo_rockway        it doesn't work well
21:53 NekoGloop          no mobs will work well
21:53 RealBadAngel       enable all this ..... stuff just
21:53 PilzAdam           i was thinking about my own animals mod...
21:53 NakedFury          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=299XzkD1XRM&feature=related\
21:54 leo_rockway        PilzAdam: your idea on how to do animals, it's a hack. It's abusing the API, in a way.
21:54 NekoGloop          how does one craft a delayer lol
21:54 RealBadAngel       when i do look on irchlight engine creations
21:54 leo_rockway        it was never intended for that.
21:54 RealBadAngel       i keep askin myself why mt is not usin then
21:55 PilzAdam           i dont like realistic textures in MT/MT
21:55 NekoGloop          MC*
21:55 NekoGloop          FTFY
21:55 PilzAdam           *MC
21:56 NakedFury          same here Pilz
21:56 NekoGloop          i dont like the loadtimes
21:56 NekoGloop          heck i dont like texture packs at all
21:56 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, +1
21:56 NekoGloop          some mods dont have support, which makes them look like shit or the textures to look like shit
21:56 jin_xi             default texture user too
21:57 PilzAdam           wow i never thpught i would say something like NekoGloop +1
21:57 PilzAdam           *thought
21:57 NekoGloop          heh
21:57 NekoGloop          you dont know me
21:57 jin_xi             well, i for one am glad you cut down the purring
21:57 PilzAdam           i know you
21:57 PilzAdam           * [NekoGloop] (4c706d0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.112.109.12): c-76-112-109-12.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/76.112.109.12
21:57 PilzAdam           * [NekoGloop] #minetest
21:57 PilzAdam           * [NekoGloop] rowling.freenode.net :Corvallis, OR, USA
21:57 PilzAdam           * [NekoGloop] Ende der WHOIS-Liste.
21:58 NekoGloop          this is one of those days where i am actually feel like doing something intelligent
21:58 RealBadAngel       PilzAdam:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizhFrNwsl4
21:58 NakedFury          omg those shaders are awesome
21:58 PilzAdam           Leave a space after the : next time
21:58 RealBadAngel       look and say again this doesnt matter
21:59 RealBadAngel       please do
21:59 NakedFury          the moving grass is great
21:59 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, i know its realy awesom
21:59 NakedFury          the leafs move too
21:59 PilzAdam           but its not what i want for MT/MC or similar games
21:59 RealBadAngel       so just enable the fuckin possibilities
22:00 PilzAdam           yea sure we get many new guys to MT if is would look like this
22:00 PilzAdam           IMO basic textures are better
22:00 RealBadAngel       damn
22:00 NekoGloop          imo i think we need better lighting and animations but no new textures
22:01 RealBadAngel       provide lights
22:01 jin_xi             leaves and stuff is too wobbly
22:01 RealBadAngel       bump
22:01 RealBadAngel       filtering
22:02 RealBadAngel       all the hightech stuff
22:02 RealBadAngel       and the options to disable/enable it
22:02 NekoGloop          watch the sword as he flys around
22:02 NekoGloop          i dont like that effect
22:03 RealBadAngel       NOT ALL HAVE IDIOTIC ALL COMPUTERS for christ sake
22:03 NakedFury          you mean old?
22:03 NakedFury          ... OLD computers for...
22:03 RealBadAngel       that not shal ne the goal
22:04 NekoGloop          isnt there a smooth lighting option?
22:04 PilzAdam           that isnt english anymore ;-)
22:04 RealBadAngel       who cares bout 486?
22:04 RealBadAngel       who the fuck what was 486?
22:04 RealBadAngel       knows
22:04 RealBadAngel       or 586 line
22:04 NekoGloop          move 2 from the center number to the first
22:05 RealBadAngel       2010 taken goal is missed
22:05 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, we dont need better lighting; this is smooth lighting disabled: http://ompldr.org/vZjlnaQ/Minetest_14.png
22:05 PilzAdam           imo its better
22:05 NekoGloop          show me smooth lighting enabled
22:05 thexyz             RealBadAngel: oh you surely know about minetest's goal better
22:05 NekoGloop          i think my cpu would melt with that option
22:06 RealBadAngel       ive read
22:06 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, wait a sec.
22:06 RealBadAngel       i dont agreee
22:07 PilzAdam           http://ompldr.org/vZjlnag/Minetest_15.png
22:07 RealBadAngel       we shall push the limits
22:07 PilzAdam           that doesnt fit in the "3D cube" theme of MT
22:07 thexyz             wtf
22:07 NekoGloop          oh i see
22:07 thexyz             why was Orby banned?
22:07 NekoGloop          ima enable that >:D
22:07 thexyz             VanessaE
22:07 VanessaE           thexyz:
22:08 VanessaE           he copypasted some crap from a server about blowjobs
22:08 RealBadAngel       wait
22:08 NakedFury          why doesnt smooth lightning not fit in mt?
22:08 RealBadAngel       tell me one thing
22:08 VanessaE           I warned him not to do it again and deleted the offending post, as it's clearly against the forum's rules.
22:08 VanessaE           he reposted it in a new thread.
22:08 PilzAdam           NakedFury, i dont like it
22:08 NekoGloop          NakedFury: no idea
22:08 VanessaE           I deleted that thread and banned him.
22:09 RealBadAngel       you wanna be all beaten by the 'java' game?
22:09 NekoGloop          well
22:09 NakedFury          apparently
22:09 RealBadAngel       is that what you want?
22:09 PilzAdam           there should be the possibility to turn it all on, but also to turn it off
22:09 NekoGloop          let the 'java' game melt other's cpus as we play perfectly fine on hardware from 2006
22:09 RealBadAngel       yes
22:10 PilzAdam           i will ever turn it off
22:10 RealBadAngel       when havin better hard rock it harder
22:10 RealBadAngel       with way way better engine
22:11 RealBadAngel       hidin before notch?
22:11 NakedFury          the problem is not how it fits or not with the them(whatever that means) its having the options to tunr it on or off, once we have it everyone is happy
22:11 NekoGloop          RealBadAngel: already people call MT better, and MT isnt even finished yet
22:11 RealBadAngel       WE ARE DOIN IT BETTER
22:11 RealBadAngel       all of us
22:11 Phitherek_         MT IS better
22:11 NekoGloop          yup
22:11 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, MT has a better API
22:11 Phitherek_         it has more potential
22:12 Phitherek_         yeah, server-side mods...
22:12 NekoGloop          MT has WAAAAAAAY better mod support
22:12 PilzAdam           WAAAAY
22:12 RealBadAngel       so shut up
22:12 NekoGloop          hence the reason i can mod :)
22:12 NakedFury          mod api always beats no mod api
22:12 Phitherek_         +Running natively
22:12 Phitherek_         + FOSS
22:13 Phitherek_         = definitely better
22:13 RealBadAngel       this project can outcome MC easily
22:13 NekoGloop          overcome*
22:13 Phitherek_         yeah, it has much more potential
22:13 RealBadAngel       WHEN NOT LIMITED
22:13 NekoGloop          yup
22:13 Phitherek_         when the bugs will be gone... woah :)
22:13 PilzAdam           i think in a MC channel they are saying the same about MC...
22:13 NekoGloop          yup
22:13 RealBadAngel       lol
22:14 NekoGloop          bugs like infinite sound loops, etc.
22:14 RealBadAngel       notch's children
22:14 PilzAdam           BUT THEY ARE LYING
22:14 jin_xi             hmmm, so what you guys think about this:
22:14 Phitherek_         bugs like hanging and destroying worlds...
22:14 Phitherek_         and segfaults..
22:14 jin_xi             a mod that runs a nethack server along MT
22:14 RealBadAngel       we love them
22:14 khonkhortisan      who's notch?
22:14 RealBadAngel       when theyre gone
22:15 jin_xi             so somewhere in the world is a portal to the dungeons of doom?
22:15 Phitherek_         khonkhortisan: MC main dev
22:15 PilzAdam           khonkhortisan, you dont have ti know him
22:15 PilzAdam           *to
22:15 RealBadAngel       i dont know any "notch"
22:15 khonkhortisan      one of my nicknames for my username for my avatar for my name is like that person's username
22:16 NekoGloop          retarded lua is retarded though
22:16 jin_xi             ^^^ why?
22:16 RealBadAngel       but still thing to be loved
22:16 NekoGloop          well
22:16 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, firstly we should concentrade on better gameplay in the vanilla game than on good looking
22:16 NekoGloop          im not just fighting with default API now
22:16 khonkhortisan      making mods is the best way to find problems with lua
22:16 RealBadAngel       loook
22:16 NekoGloop          im also fighting with mesecons API.
22:16 RealBadAngel       mc has no lua
22:16 khonkhortisan      me too!
22:17 RealBadAngel       nothin
22:17 RealBadAngel       theres no api
22:17 NekoGloop          augh
22:17 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, https://github.com/Mojang/Minecraft-API
22:17 NekoGloop          how do i set a mesecons receptor to have default rules?
22:17 leo_rockway        jin_xi: there was a nether mod already... it's not working anymore, though... AFAIK.
22:17 RealBadAngel       WIP
22:17 RealBadAngel       not done yet
22:18 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, just leaving it out
22:18 jin_xi             no nether, i'm talking about HELL and back
22:18 jin_xi             you know nethack?
22:18 leo_rockway        jin_xi: well, nether is hellish.
22:18 leo_rockway        jin_xi: oh, I read netherhack.
22:18 leo_rockway        HECK YEAH!
22:18 leo_rockway        nethack <3
22:18 NekoGloop          PilzAdam: but i need to set the variable after it though
22:18 PilzAdam           nope
22:18 RealBadAngel       even sever and singleplayer separation (or join rather) came a few moths ago
22:19 leo_rockway        jin_xi: that would be awesome.
22:19 leo_rockway        =]
22:20 leo_rockway        jin_xi: a game with the concept of "dying is fun"
22:20 RealBadAngel       i came here for a one reason
22:20 leo_rockway        to chew gum and kick ass?
22:20 RealBadAngel       than i can code and play
22:20 RealBadAngel       and read such thing
22:21 RealBadAngel       "release API and watch contens explode overnight"
22:21 RealBadAngel       i agree with it 100%
22:21 PilzAdam           +1
22:21 jin_xi             a long night
22:21 leo_rockway        MC is nonfree, so I don't care about it.
22:22 leo_rockway        nonfree as in beer and freedom.
22:22 RealBadAngel       let it be long
22:22 PilzAdam           +1 for beer and freedom
22:22 Phitherek_         leo_rockway: for me nether works
22:22 leo_rockway        Phitherek_: what version of MT?
22:22 Phitherek_         latest
22:22 RealBadAngel       +1
22:22 leo_rockway        the only reason why I downloaded MC was to compare.
22:22 Phitherek_         nightly
22:23 leo_rockway        Phitherek_: huh... how do you get there?
22:23 RealBadAngel       welcome to codes nigthmare/paradise
22:23 RealBadAngel       always up to date :)
22:23 leo_rockway        I think MT would be great with a built-in repo of mods that you can enable / disable / update.
22:24 leo_rockway        I compile MT whenever there's a new commits
22:24 leo_rockway        and I have svn Irrlicht too o.o
22:24 jin_xi             i dont care about vanilla game, i hope for some epic game modes
22:24 PilzAdam           leo_rockway, +1 for the repo
22:24 leo_rockway        PilzAdam: but I have no idea how to do that.
22:24 jin_xi             in-game server portals would be nice
22:24 jin_xi             with server side modding you can have different worlds, games even
22:24 PilzAdam           jin_xi, vanilla is the most important thing for n00bs
22:25 leo_rockway        jin_xi: in game server portals, nice.
22:25 jin_xi             i dont think so, if there are good servers
22:25 Phitherek_         leo_rockway: idk, portal worked normally on my friend' s MP server
22:25 RealBadAngel       vanilla is NOT important by now
22:25 Phitherek_         he has also latest MT
22:25 leo_rockway        Phitherek_: but how did you build it?
22:25 leo_rockway        don't you need a pearl?
22:25 RealBadAngel       hands up whos not coder or moder here
22:25 leo_rockway        where do yo uget the pearl from?
22:25 Phitherek_         directly from github ;)
22:25 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, vanilla is boring by now
22:26 leo_rockway        I'm a sysadmin... I code small scirpts.
22:26 leo_rockway        scripts*
22:26 RealBadAngel       we r buildin the game
22:26 PilzAdam           <RealBadAngel> hands up whos not coder or moder here
22:26 Phitherek_         he /giveme' d the pearl ;)
22:26 * PilzAdam         tooks hand down
22:26 leo_rockway        Phitherek_: oh, okay. That was the problem I had.
22:27 RealBadAngel       PilzAdam: dont joke
22:27 jin_xi             srs
22:27 RealBadAngel       how many folks are here now?
22:27 NakedFury              1
22:27 PilzAdam              69
22:27 leo_rockway        O.O
22:27 jin_xi             i'd also love to do a voxel old-school games hommage game in mt
22:28 leo_rockway        I have the nicksbar hidden
22:28 RealBadAngel       how many of them are modders/codders?
22:28 leo_rockway        I didn't know we were so many
22:28 NakedFury          there are always many but few talk
22:28 Phitherek_         RealBadAngel: If you mean exactly Minetest coders or modders, I'm not one.
22:28 jin_xi             spooky castle biome, mario style biomes, a sonic track and pirate (monkey island) themed beache
22:28 jin_xi             s
22:28 RealBadAngel       wow
22:28 RealBadAngel       a raisn
22:28 Phitherek_         but I would really like to contribute some day ;)
22:28 leo_rockway        I haven't coded any mod, but I could if I tried.
22:29 Phitherek_         but I am a coder in general :P
22:29 leo_rockway        I was thinking of doing a bed, but PilzAdam did that before me.
22:29 RealBadAngel       then welcome
22:29 leo_rockway        and I wanted a stereo, but somebody else did it.
22:29 PilzAdam           first :-)
22:29 jin_xi             i'm just an amateur. musician irl
22:29 leo_rockway        and yesterday I was thinking of adding pain sounds, but I didn't feel like using a hack.
22:29 NakedFury          no on_hurt code?
22:30 leo_rockway        and I kind of want to make my MT left handed, but I haven't gotten into that yet.
22:30 leo_rockway        NakedFury: no API for it, no.
22:30 RealBadAngel       leo: make a radio
22:30 leo_rockway        VanessaE suggested monitoring the HP.
22:30 PilzAdam           NakedFury, only for entities
22:30 leo_rockway        RealBadAngel: that streams from the internet? o.o
22:30 RealBadAngel       yes
22:30 NakedFury          yes please
22:30 leo_rockway        huh
22:30 NakedFury          pandora or spotify or any other service
22:30 leo_rockway        I've never used any of those
22:30 NakedFury          or even better. ingame IRC
22:31 RealBadAngel       wait
22:31 RealBadAngel       its easy
22:31 RealBadAngel       game caches sounds
22:31 RealBadAngel       in ogg format
22:31 * jin_xi           makes a live webkit texture
22:31 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, yes
22:31 leo_rockway        the first time I played MT I built a GNU
22:32 leo_rockway        I never completed it, though. It was lacking ears.
22:32 leo_rockway        s/ears/horns
22:32 leo_rockway        and somebody else built a tux next to it.
22:32 RealBadAngel       you can easily trace your ogg file transfered to cache
22:32 RealBadAngel       yes?
22:32 leo_rockway        you could use a pipe in GNU/Linux o.o
22:32 RealBadAngel       no
22:33 RealBadAngel       trace it just by lengtgh
22:33 RealBadAngel       predefined file with ogg jingle
22:34 RealBadAngel       then use this
22:34 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizhFrNwsl4
22:34 RealBadAngel       ooops
22:35 RealBadAngel       idiotic ffox
22:35 * NekoGloop        is back (not that you care)
22:35 RealBadAngel       http://blog.kfish.org/2010/05/streaming-ogg-vorbis-with-sighttpd-110.html
22:35 leo_rockway        VanessaE: btw, I have mesecons.com.ar if that's of any use.
22:35 RealBadAngel       this link
22:35 NekoGloop          help with cyclers, please
22:35 NekoGloop          (which is what I'm calling my sequencers)
22:36 RealBadAngel       ive streamed voive to the game
22:36 leo_rockway        RealBadAngel: but that would mean converting the stream to vorbis first
22:36 RealBadAngel       so it works
22:36 leo_rockway        nice
22:36 NekoGloop          hello?
22:36 NekoGloop          i'm having general problems :/
22:36 PilzAdam           nobody cares about NekoGloop
22:37 NekoGloop          PilzAdam: that isnt news to me
22:37 RealBadAngel       prepare one ready to stream
22:37 PilzAdam           whats your problem?
22:37 NekoGloop          delayer code seems incredibly hard to edit lol
22:37 RealBadAngel       but the format in fact should care of any shit
22:38 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, why are you editing it?
22:38 RealBadAngel       ogg is ready to stream
22:38 NekoGloop          because its the closest thing to what I want
22:38 PilzAdam           brb
22:38 NekoGloop          (i copied to a new file)
22:39 RealBadAngel       btw
22:39 RealBadAngel       c55 said it wont work
22:39 RealBadAngel       hehehehe
22:39 leo_rockway        o.o
22:40 NekoGloop          what wouldnt work?
22:40 NekoGloop          streaming from file?
22:40 RealBadAngel       he gave me "impossible mission"
22:40 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: "Challenge Accepted."
22:40 VanessaE           :-)
22:40 RealBadAngel       i asked him to allow us to have predefined sounds
22:40 RealBadAngel       like /textures/all
22:41 RealBadAngel       so we could make music packs
22:41 leo_rockway        \o/
22:41 leo_rockway        that would be cool, indeed.
22:41 RealBadAngel       so he gave me task
22:41 leo_rockway        I need to learn C++
22:42 leo_rockway        then maybe I'll have some idea about what's going on in th ecode.
22:42 leo_rockway        the code*
22:42 bas080             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rniWa5LuqCY
22:42 RealBadAngel       make ogg streaming to the game
22:42 RealBadAngel       without engine change
22:42 RealBadAngel       i THE FUCK made it
22:42 leo_rockway        bas080: how's that jungle going?
22:42 RealBadAngel       but he made vacations for himself
22:42 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: "I fucking made it."
22:43 VanessaE           if you're gonna use the F-word, at least use it properly ;-)
22:43 RealBadAngel       sorry
22:43 RealBadAngel       not usa citizen;)
22:43 VanessaE           hehe
22:44 bas080             really good. improved the trees by adding more leaves. But i have issues with the generate in habitat function it's ugly. So i'm planning to rewrite it and make a seperate mod for it.
22:44 bas080             Then plants and jungltrees can dofile it
22:44 VanessaE           bas080: take the code from junglegrass, it's really easy to understand
22:44 bas080             and others mods could do so to if they want nodes to spawn on certain nodes near certain nodes
22:44 VanessaE           or that :-)
22:45 * PilzAdam         is back
22:45 bas080             junglegrass uses abm. That will unnecessarily have impact on game performance as jungletrees don't decay
22:45 VanessaE           well it registers an ABM yeah
22:46 leo_rockway        PilzAdam: how's the rain?
22:46 VanessaE           but the code executed therein should work as part of however it is you register with the map generator
22:46 bas080             Yes but why make abm triggers if only the generate trigger is needed
22:46 VanessaE           bas080: um, you don't register the ABM then? :-)
22:46 PilzAdam           leo_rockway, it was just a realy laggy idea
22:47 RealBadAngel       abms triggers as you set it
22:47 bas080             No because i can;t get grow node positions in generate except when i perform a for loop search
22:47 VanessaE           I'm saying rip out the core code and don't put into an ABM at all
22:47 leo_rockway        PilzAdam: okay.
22:47 VanessaE           loop search? why would you need to search anything?
22:47 PilzAdam           leo_rockway, i have to overthink the whole idea
22:47 RealBadAngel       btw
22:48 bas080             ABM gives the pos of the grow node. generate function doesn't
22:48 RealBadAngel       sorry folks
22:48 VanessaE           ah
22:48 RealBadAngel       serious question now
22:48 RealBadAngel       really
22:48 RealBadAngel       i got ABM callback
22:48 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: what?
22:49 RealBadAngel       and takin care of it
22:49 RealBadAngel       how can i execute next one
22:49 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: it'll be automatic, according to the interval parameter
22:50 RealBadAngel       no, thats not the question
22:50 RealBadAngel       im in abm callback already
22:50 VanessaE           ok
22:50 VanessaE           you've executed all of the code
22:50 VanessaE           now you want to run through it all again?
22:51 RealBadAngel       i want to "serve" all another abms
22:51 RealBadAngel       without losin my own one
22:51 VanessaE           um
22:51 VanessaE           so you want the ABM to execute code block A, then go execute blocks B, C, and D, each referring to something unrelated?
22:52 RealBadAngel       by now
22:52 RealBadAngel       im able to take over ABM's engine
22:52 RealBadAngel       stop it
22:53 RealBadAngel       and have my own in-game thread
22:53 PilzAdam           maybe you can create a fake abm with find_nodes_in_area(minp, maxp, nodenames)
22:53 VanessaE           that sounds like something that's better suited to the game's timer function than an ABM
22:53 RealBadAngel       for sake of other's ABM's
22:54 RealBadAngel       im lookin for a way to call them periodicaly
22:54 RealBadAngel       to save my thread whithout losein it
22:55 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: I still don't understand
22:55 VanessaE           maybe make a flowchart?
22:55 RealBadAngel       and lettin all other abms to work
22:55 RealBadAngel       look
22:55 RealBadAngel       i made a hook
22:55 RealBadAngel       once im hooked
22:55 PilzAdam           you mean multi-threading?
22:55 RealBadAngel       yes
22:55 RealBadAngel       it works
22:56 PilzAdam           so one abm starts his own thread and the game will continue
22:56 RealBadAngel       once i get abm
22:56 RealBadAngel       game flows
22:56 RealBadAngel       and i have my own thread
22:56 VanessaE           for that you're better off using the timer and having an abm do nothing but set a flag that lets your thread run or not
22:57 RealBadAngel       i dont wanna lose control
22:57 PilzAdam           http://www.lua.org/pil/9.4.html
22:58 PilzAdam           http://www.lua.org/pil/9.1.html
22:58 RealBadAngel       i dont thint its that
22:58 PilzAdam           co = coroutine.create(function ()
22:58 PilzAdam           print("hi")
22:58 PilzAdam           end)
22:58 RealBadAngel       i think
22:58 VanessaE           what do you mean by "lose control" though?
22:58 VanessaE           it's not like your code is just gonna go run rogue
22:59 RealBadAngel       return
22:59 RealBadAngel       is control lost
22:59 VanessaE           what you want is like an ABM engine within the ABM
22:59 VanessaE           like a sub-abm
23:00 RealBadAngel       i dont reallly want to stop abm engine
23:00 PilzAdam           no he wants a function that runs independent from the engine
23:00 VanessaE           PilzAdam: so use the server step timer then?
23:00 RealBadAngel       i would like to let it run
23:00 RealBadAngel       but give back control
23:00 PilzAdam           VanessaE, no
23:00 VanessaE           execute on every step (with a counter to control how often the heavy code actually runs)
23:01 PilzAdam           he dont want a function that is called by the engine
23:01 PilzAdam           its started in a abm and then runs on its own
23:01 VanessaE           a whole separate thread eh
23:01 RealBadAngel       VanessaE: youre to much callbacks dependent
23:01 RealBadAngel       i mean
23:01 VanessaE           as in detatch from the ABM that called it.
23:02 RealBadAngel       i HAVE my own theread
23:02 VanessaE           and continue to run after that while the server goes back to whatever was next
23:02 RealBadAngel       i the game
23:02 NekoGloop          should cycler go right or left
23:02 VanessaE           NekoGloop: clockwise
23:02 NekoGloop          cool
23:02 VanessaE           I think that's what the redstone one was doing
23:02 RealBadAngel       can do anythin here
23:02 NekoGloop          now... which direction is that lol
23:02 VanessaE           NekoGloop: the way the hands on a clock move :-)
23:03 NekoGloop          heh
23:03 NekoGloop          ok :3
23:03 VanessaE           the way your car steering wheel moves when you make a right turn :P
23:03 PilzAdam           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise
23:03 RealBadAngel       but need the others to do their usual stuff with abms
23:03 NekoGloop          up -> right -> down -> left -> up
23:03 VanessaE           yes.
23:03 NekoGloop          ok
23:03 RealBadAngel       because once i take it over
23:03 RealBadAngel       i own it
23:03 NekoGloop          just needed an interpretation for the code to understand
23:04 NekoGloop          lua doesnt know what clockwise is
23:04 VanessaE           RealBadAngel:  ok ok we get that you want to run a custom thread.
23:04 RealBadAngel       no more abms wont work
23:04 RealBadAngel       unless i release the hook
23:04 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, there can be some unexpected effects when creating an own thread an editing anything in the world
23:05 RealBadAngel       i am aware
23:05 PilzAdam           i dont know if it works at all
23:05 RealBadAngel       works
23:05 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: why do you need such an obscure method to run this code anyway?
23:05 RealBadAngel       loop an abm
23:05 PilzAdam           realy?
23:06 RealBadAngel       you will just TAKE CONTROL
23:06 Basstard`          TAKE CONTROL
23:06 VanessaE           I remember doing the time warp...
23:06 VanessaE           wait, what? :-)
23:06 PilzAdam           /giveme RealBadAnge:code
23:06 PilzAdam           +l
23:06 RealBadAngel       no more call backs
23:07 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: "take control" doesn't make any sense. Sorry, language barrier here.
23:07 RealBadAngel       makes
23:07 NekoGloop          augh
23:08 NekoGloop          alright so I have to do this the long way around
23:08 Basstard`          The shortcut?
23:08 VanessaE           NekoGloop: you might be better off rolling your own
23:08 PilzAdam           VanessaE, RealBadAngel, it would be useful if you have code that has a long runtime and you need to execute it in a abm
23:08 NekoGloop          i have to use mesecons's internal api
23:08 jin_xi             use coroutines and yield maybe?
23:09 NekoGloop          because this isnt going to work as a normal cookie-cutter receptor
23:09 RealBadAngel       for the serious projects like wireless. tubes. pipes
23:09 VanessaE           so you're saying that when the server executes an ABM, the whole thing just stops dead and doesn't answer any outside actions until that ABM completes?
23:09 RealBadAngel       world lives
23:09 VanessaE           so you want to have an ABM execute your code but immediately return while your code continues to run uninterrupted.
23:09 RealBadAngel       just another abms wont work
23:10 PilzAdam           VanessaE, yes
23:10 VanessaE           ok
23:10 RealBadAngel       till your one is completed
23:10 VanessaE           at which point it does...what?
23:10 VanessaE           just ends I guess and the process disappears
23:10 PilzAdam           yes
23:10 RealBadAngel       execuitn another ones
23:11 RealBadAngel       and returin to itself
23:11 VanessaE           "executing another ones and return to itself" makes no sense.
23:11 RealBadAngel       perceft sense
23:11 VanessaE           the code has already executed and ended.  How can you return to that which has already completed?
23:11 RealBadAngel       NO END
23:11 bas080             Is anyone willing to help with the chess mod. We are looking for a graphics designer.
23:12 NekoGloop          bas080: if its nodeboxes im out
23:12 RealBadAngel       youre not supposed to give away control
23:12 bas080             If you are interested leave your comment here. http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2784
23:12 PilzAdam           VanessaE, ill test it
23:12 bas080             RealBadAngel, youre not supposed to give away control, why??
23:12 Basstard`          How now brown cow?
23:13 RealBadAngel       because that way i can take care of dissapearin stuff?
23:13 NekoGloop          Basstard go away
23:13 RealBadAngel       when unloadaed?
23:14 RealBadAngel       shit
23:14 RealBadAngel       you know what "thread" is meanin?
23:14 VanessaE           of course
23:14 jin_xi             you know coroutines? can do thread like things and lua has it
23:14 RealBadAngel       within it you can do anythin
23:14 VanessaE           a process that runs independently of all other code on a machine, except that it might pass messages back and forth or read/write data against another threada.
23:14 VanessaE           -a
23:14 NekoGloop          who else can say the konami code as fast as video games require it to be input?
23:15 RealBadAngel       stream not ogg
23:15 RealBadAngel       stream tv
23:15 RealBadAngel       make TV
23:15 RealBadAngel       and watch TV ingame
23:15 VanessaE           NekoGloop: konami code?
23:15 RealBadAngel       WHATEVER
23:15 NekoGloop          up up down down left right left right B A start
23:16 NekoGloop          have you been living under a rock?!
23:16 RealBadAngel       lol
23:16 RealBadAngel       gave gives us only ways to respond
23:16 RealBadAngel       on callbacks
23:17 PilzAdam           it works!
23:17 RealBadAngel       when you are not depend on callbacks
23:17 PilzAdam           minetest.register_abm({
23:17 PilzAdam           nodenames = {"test:test_node"},
23:17 PilzAdam           interval = 5,
23:17 PilzAdam           chance = 1,
23:17 PilzAdam           action = function(pos, node)
23:17 PilzAdam           minetest.chat_send_all("Start function")
23:17 PilzAdam           co = coroutine.create(function ()
23:17 PilzAdam           minetest.chat_send_all("Start thread")
23:17 PilzAdam           end)
23:17 PilzAdam           coroutine.resume(co)
23:17 RealBadAngel       WHAT YOU CAN DO
23:17 PilzAdam           end
23:17 RealBadAngel       ?
23:17 PilzAdam           })
23:17 NekoGloop          this behemoth of code that makes up my cyclers had better work
23:18 RealBadAngel       you have disabled abms hehehehe
23:18 bas080             Question, if i would make a global function mod which can be use by other mods. Is it important for it to load before other mods that use it. Or is that handled automatically.
23:18 VanessaE           there's only one problem, according to this Lua resource, only one coroutine can run at a time
23:18 VanessaE           so they're not true threads.
23:18 RealBadAngel       no
23:18 RealBadAngel       1st one
23:19 Basstard`          NekoGloop: http://konamicodesites.com/
23:19 RealBadAngel       who take it over
23:19 bas080             ty, RealBadAngel
23:19 RealBadAngel       and take of anothers
23:19 VanessaE           "Coroutines, on the other hand, are collaborative: A program with coroutines is, at any given time, running only one of its coroutines and this running coroutine only suspends its execution when it explicitly requests to be suspended. "
23:19 VanessaE           what we used to call "cooperative multitasking" back in the 8-16 bit days
23:19 jin_xi             its cooperative multikatk
23:19 RealBadAngel       that will be masterpiece
23:19 jin_xi             lol
23:19 RealBadAngel       live and let live?
23:20 RealBadAngel       shall the rule be named
23:20 * NekoGloop        is raging at lua
23:20 PilzAdam           is there a sleep function lua?
23:20 NekoGloop          i would laugh so hard if this worked the first time
23:21 NekoGloop          oh wait... i can use the receptor thingy... :3
23:21 NekoGloop          now lets just hope this doesnt fail epicly
23:21 RealBadAngel       now u got my point?
23:22 RealBadAngel       within this given thread...
23:23 RealBadAngel       you can make everyhtin
23:23 RealBadAngel       timing is not important
23:24 RealBadAngel       loaded or unloaded
23:24 RealBadAngel       you still got it
23:26 PilzAdam           minetest.chat_send_all("Start function")
23:26 PilzAdam           co = coroutine.create(function ()
23:26 PilzAdam           minetest.chat_send_all("Start thread")
23:26 PilzAdam           local old = os.time()
23:26 PilzAdam           while os.time() < old+10 do
23:26 PilzAdam
23:26 PilzAdam           end
23:26 PilzAdam           minetest.chat_send_all("End thread")
23:26 PilzAdam           end)
23:26 NekoGloop          STOPITTTTT!!!!
23:26 PilzAdam           coroutine.resume(co)
23:26 RealBadAngel       just serve other ABM's to be fair
23:26 PilzAdam           minetest.chat_send_all("End function")
23:26 NekoGloop          USE PASTEBIN
23:26 PilzAdam           this prints
23:26 PilzAdam           start function
23:26 PilzAdam           start thread
23:26 PilzAdam           stop thread
23:26 PilzAdam           stop function
23:26 NekoGloop          USE PASTEBINNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:26 PilzAdam           shut up
23:27 NekoGloop          i wish you would
23:27 jin_xi             NekoGloop: pls stop annoying
23:27 NekoGloop          he's blatantly doing it to piss off everyone
23:27 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, it didnt work as expected
23:28 RealBadAngel       you want the workin code?
23:28 PilzAdam           it first executing the coroutine and then finish the abm
23:28 PilzAdam           the game will stop as if the code would be directly executed in the abm
23:28 RealBadAngel       receive abm
23:29 RealBadAngel       nake do while loop
23:29 RealBadAngel       make
23:29 RealBadAngel       nothin easier
23:31 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, the corroutine does not work as a detached thread
23:31 RealBadAngel       i found that by my errror
23:32 RealBadAngel       i think i shall then realease then fully documented
23:32 VanessaE           can't you just launch the thread without using an ABM at all?
23:32 VanessaE           I mean literally at the start of your code
23:33 VanessaE           and have it wait for some flag before it actually does anything useful?
23:33 VanessaE           you could set that flag inside the ABM that you were originally trying to use
23:33 RealBadAngel       once ABM taken its your own
23:33 PilzAdam           ill try it
23:33 VanessaE           so like this:
23:33 VanessaE           code code code
23:33 VanessaE           your thread
23:33 VanessaE           regster abm
23:33 VanessaE           --> sets flag
23:33 VanessaE           --> exits
23:33 VanessaE           code code code
23:34 VanessaE           and in "your thead" you watch for that flag
23:34 VanessaE           a rudimentary form of message passing
23:34 VanessaE           this is how we did it back in the 8-bit days, when an interrupt service routine still needed to communicate back and forth with the main foreground process
23:34 PilzAdam           VanessaE, didnt work: its hanging on creating server...
23:35 VanessaE           shit
23:35 PilzAdam           the coroutine does *not* work as a detached thread at all
23:35 VanessaE           then there's only one way
23:35 RealBadAngel       thats the problem
23:35 VanessaE           use the server timer to execute your thread in very small chunks
23:36 VanessaE           like 10-20 lines at a time, with a counter at the start of your timer service routine that says what chunk to run next
23:36 RealBadAngel       how to call another ones?
23:37 RealBadAngel       PilzAdam:are we talkin the same?
23:37 PilzAdam           english?
23:37 RealBadAngel       damn you
23:37 RealBadAngel       hahahahaha
23:37 PilzAdam           what do you mean?
23:37 RealBadAngel       here its workin
23:38 PilzAdam           what?
23:38 RealBadAngel       what im talkin about since bout 2 hrs?
23:39 PilzAdam           giveme code
23:39 VanessaE           give us something, RBA
23:39 RealBadAngel       damn
23:39 VanessaE           some kind of skeleton
23:39 VanessaE           a flowchart
23:39 VanessaE           ANYthing that shows what's really supposed to happen and what IS happening
23:39 RealBadAngel       DONT LET CONTROL of abm
23:40 VanessaE           don't let it do what?
23:40 RealBadAngel       loop it to death
23:40 VanessaE           English FAIL :-)
23:40 Basstard`          TAKE CONTROL
23:40 RealBadAngel       shit im not english
23:40 NekoGloop          uh
23:40 NekoGloop          its not working :'/
23:40 Youbi              Hello
23:40 VanessaE           hi Youbi
23:40 Basstard`          Hello Yoshi
23:40 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: yes, so we noticed ;-)
23:41 Youbi              I have a problem with mini pictures of items in my stack, in the last version of minetest_game :(
23:41 NekoGloop          Youbi: only nodes?
23:41 NekoGloop          i have that too
23:41 VanessaE           Youbi:  lots of people have that problem :-/
23:41 NekoGloop          VanessaE: I need help :(
23:41 NekoGloop          its not working
23:42 VanessaE           usually solved by fiddling with your video driver setting I think
23:42 Youbi              Oh :(
23:42 RealBadAngel       once you register function
23:42 NekoGloop          its sending a signal in one direction and one direction only
23:42 Youbi              --"
23:42 VanessaE           NekoGloop: did you roll your own?
23:42 Youbi              Or by using another texture pack ?
23:42 VanessaE           or you're trying to work off the delayer code?
23:42 RealBadAngel       to serve callback
23:42 VanessaE           Youbi: wouldn't help - it's a bug in the game's video driver
23:43 NekoGloop          i used the delayer code but if i didnt tell you you wouldnt know
23:43 RealBadAngel       for an AMB
23:43 PilzAdam           http://ompldr.org/vZjloaA/flowchart.png
23:43 RealBadAngel       within than function just make an infinite loop
23:43 VanessaE           PilzAdam: that's what I figured he wanted.
23:43 PilzAdam           this does *not* work with coroutines
23:43 RealBadAngel       you will see game just wont stop
23:43 VanessaE           but clearly there's no way to spawn a separate process with the game's API
23:44 NekoGloop          i can choose what delay i want
23:44 RealBadAngel       and will work
23:44 NekoGloop          but the actual cycling doesnt happen
23:44 RealBadAngel       and your loop too
23:44 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, how do you want to code it?
23:45 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, if nobody is talking to you, please stop writing here :-)
23:45 NekoGloop          vanessae is talking to me
23:45 VanessaE           NekoGloop: not sure why it wouldn't work, it could be literally anything
23:45 NekoGloop          pastebin, brb
23:45 PilzAdam           sry NekoGloop, i didnt noticed
23:45 RealBadAngel       if you want to have somethin to be done do it by yourself....
23:45 RealBadAngel       ;)
23:46 PilzAdam           imo theres no way to code it
23:46 thexyz             PilzAdam: nice flowchart
23:46 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: so explain this then:  why can't you write this code to not require this separate thread?
23:46 PilzAdam           thexyz, GIMP
23:46 thexyz             just remember — there is only one thread for lua
23:46 NekoGloop          http://pastebin.com/dXZVgsFJ here ya go
23:46 RealBadAngel       this separare thered is THE GOAL
23:47 thexyz             you can't achieve that
23:47 NekoGloop          same as he cant play sound?
23:47 PilzAdam           in java its simple: new thread(Runnable).start();
23:47 RealBadAngel       brb
23:47 NekoGloop          VanessaE: any ideas?
23:47 thexyz             lua can't into threads
23:48 thexyz             lua though can into coroutines
23:48 thexyz             but i can't even imagine how that would work
23:48 thexyz             in minetest context
23:48 PilzAdam           it didnt work
23:48 VanessaE           NekoGloop: reading
23:48 PilzAdam           ive tested it
23:48 thexyz             oh, right
23:48 thexyz             actually
23:48 thexyz             one question
23:48 NekoGloop          i said it was a behemoth of code :)
23:49 PilzAdam           thexyz, go on
23:49 thexyz             why do you need to have infinite loop in abm?
23:49 PilzAdam           e.g. a code in abm that has a long runtime and freezes the game
23:49 thexyz             um..
23:49 PilzAdam           i dont need it
23:50 thexyz             i think such code should not exist
23:50 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel wants it
23:50 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I just don't know, this code's too complicated (since it uses an API I don't know well yet) for my tired eyes to grok
23:50 NekoGloop          lol
23:50 thexyz             i think you can implement something like coroutines using register_on_globalstep
23:50 thexyz             with some little interval
23:51 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, define groups outside of the for-loop
23:51 VanessaE           haha
23:51 VanessaE           did I or did I not say that like an hour ago?
23:51 RealBadAngel       ok
23:51 NekoGloop          hm?
23:51 RealBadAngel       listen
23:51 RealBadAngel       i get an objet
23:51 RealBadAngel       node
23:52 NekoGloop          as far as the for-loop goes, that's barely changed from delayers
23:52 RealBadAngel       with abm defined behaviour
23:52 NekoGloop          the only things changed there were names of nodes and images
23:52 PilzAdam           NekoGloop, sry i was wrong (tired too)
23:52 NekoGloop          we all are
23:53 RealBadAngel       cause it to trigger once
23:53 PilzAdam           2 am here in germany
23:53 VanessaE           NekoGloop: that said, I don't see any code here that will actually *run* the cycler routine
23:53 NekoGloop          289.gloopcons.cycler_cycle
23:53 RealBadAngel       once im here i got it
23:53 VanessaE           NekoGloop: yes, but what called that function?
23:53 NekoGloop          (it copied the line number as well. how convinent)
23:53 VanessaE           calls
23:54 thexyz             RealBadAngel: can you write everything in one message?
23:54 NekoGloop          gloopcons.cycler_update
23:54 RealBadAngel       shit
23:54 NekoGloop          which is then called by mesecons:register_on_signal_change
23:54 VanessaE           and what calls gloopcons.cycler_update?
23:54 VanessaE           ok
23:54 VanessaE           but,
23:55 NekoGloop          yes?
23:55 VanessaE           isn't the on_signal_change supposed to be called when an INPUT changes?
23:55 NekoGloop          oh shit that wont work
23:55 VanessaE           this thing's supposed to generate OUTPUTS
23:55 NekoGloop          abm should do the trick, no?
23:55 VanessaE           an ABM will work but if there's a better function then you should use it
23:56 NekoGloop          i dont think so...
23:56 VanessaE           an abm with an interval of one realtime second sounds right
23:56 RealBadAngel       i dont think you got the idea
23:56 VanessaE           (that's the fastest they can run anyway I guess)
23:56 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: that wasn't to you, we're talking now about something NekoGloop is writing
23:57 RealBadAngel       im bout 5 mins from my bed
23:57 RealBadAngel       talkin to you now
23:57 jin_xi             i'll stay up to watch tennis
23:57 jin_xi             yeah
23:58 RealBadAngel       why all mauvebics power mods failed
23:58 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: I think the only way you're going to do this is like I said before.  use the global step timer to run your 'endless' routine in small increments.
23:59 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: think copperbars before the copper chip was available.  remember how we used to do those?
23:59 RealBadAngel       you still havent understood
23:59 VanessaE           I understand perfectly.
23:59 VanessaE           but you want something the game API can't do
23:59 bas080             Jungltrees is on the verge of being published
23:59 jin_xi             ^^ signs of misunderstanding evident...