Time Nick Message 00:06 Isabella bbl? 00:11 Isabella whats bbl mean 00:13 _2cool_ The Minecraft end credits have a pretty powerful message... 00:13 Isabella _2cool_: hiii!!! :D 00:13 _2cool_ Hi 00:14 Isabella anything new 00:14 _2cool_ Minecraft. 00:14 _2cool_ Finished in under 1 hour 00:14 NekoGloop I have pocket edition on ipad 00:14 _2cool_ Epic 00:15 NekoGloop I would finish it if the end was in it 00:15 _2cool_ The story before the end credits seems pretty powerful 00:15 NekoGloop What story lol 00:15 _2cool_ There's a story after you beat the Enderdragon 00:16 NekoGloop Oh right 00:20 Isabella heard about Herobrine, get the mod :) 00:20 Isabella i dont have mincraft though 00:21 _2cool_ thepiratebay 00:21 _2cool_ I see how it is 00:40 * NekoGloop feeds the troll 00:40 * NekoGloop is fed :3 00:40 khonkhortisan I have a bad habit of feeding trolls 00:46 Octupus hi 00:46 * NekoGloop takes the octopus's ink 00:59 khonkhortisan it proved to be fatal 00:59 khonkhortisan does it bother anyone else that restarting a singleplayer game selects the first inventory item? 01:00 NekoGloop Its alittle inconvienient 01:02 hmmmm hmm, hey guys, what do you all have your dedicated_server_step set to? 01:02 NekoGloop Idk what that is so whatever default is 01:04 khonkhortisan I've only set my active_block_range 01:36 cornernote hey 01:36 NekoGloop Hello cornernote 01:38 _2cool_ I lol'd at this 01:38 _2cool_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_682789&feature=iv&src_vid=MVldeJveJNo&v=vOBlKUu1IjM 01:41 mrtux I'm making a mod and a crafting recipie isn't working 01:41 NekoGloop Do tell more 01:42 mrtux ok 01:42 mrtux this is the code: 01:43 mrtux minetest.register_craft({ 01:43 mrtux output = 'antiques:radio', 01:43 mrtux recipe = { 01:43 mrtux {'default:wood', 'antiques:speaker', 'defualt:wood'}, 01:43 mrtux {'default:wood', 'antiques:wire', 'default:wood'}, 01:43 mrtux {'default:wood', 'antiques:vtube', 'default:wood'}, 01:43 mrtux } 01:43 mrtux }) 01:43 NekoGloop , 01:43 NekoGloop !* 01:43 NekoGloop No linespam 01:45 cornernote pastebin 01:45 cornernote too hard to read code here 01:45 cornernote but, it looks right 01:45 mrtux yes 01:45 cornernote try craft guide mod 01:45 cornernote see if you can get the reverse recipe 01:45 cornernote is the file being loaded ? 01:45 mrtux ok 01:46 mrtux yes 01:46 mrtux other crafting recipies are working 01:46 cornernote in the same file ? 01:46 mrtux yes 01:46 NekoGloop Did you misspell something 01:46 cornernote pastebin the whole file 01:46 mrtux Nope 01:46 mrtux ok hang on 01:46 cornernote thats what i was thinking 01:46 cornernote misspelled recipe item 01:47 cornernote craft_guide will identify if thats the case 01:47 cornernote it will tell you the recipe, and one of the items will be unknownitem 01:48 mrtux http://vortexlabs.tk/mod.txt 01:48 mrtux that's the code 01:49 mrtux i couldn't pastebin it because my computer gone into crash mode 01:49 cornernote ok 01:49 mrtux when firefox crashes, etc 01:51 mrtux I'm installing the mod 01:51 mrtux oh not again 01:51 cornernote you have depends.txt 01:51 mrtux my pc is so slow 01:51 mrtux yes 01:51 cornernote with default 01:51 cornernote ok 01:52 mrtux I'm going to install craft guide on my server 01:53 mrtux it will look nice at the future spawn area at my server :) 01:53 cornernote i ran it 01:53 cornernote wont craft 01:53 cornernote gimme a sec 01:53 mrtux ah 01:54 mrtux there are no textures too btw 01:54 mrtux well there is but you don't have them 01:55 hmmmm how can you guys be enjoying minetest with all its massive flaws right now? 01:55 _2cool_ TROLL 01:55 _2cool_ MOTHER OF 01:55 mrtux Cornernote, craftguide won't work 01:55 _2cool_ trolls? 01:55 hmmmm .. 01:55 hmmmm serious question. 01:55 NakedFury every game has flaws 01:55 mrtux "failed to load and run init.lua" 01:55 hmmmm there are way too many here though 01:55 NakedFury at minetest we just play around them 01:55 _2cool_ Not even Minecraft is perfect 01:55 _2cool_ like modding... 01:56 cornernote defualt:wood 01:56 mrtux In minecrap, I loose my pets 01:56 cornernote are you SURE there is no typo ? 01:56 mrtux that i tame 01:56 cornernote =) 01:56 mrtux yep 01:56 cornernote do you have the mod defualt ? 01:56 cornernote whats it do ? 01:56 NakedFury tell me a flaw you hate? 01:56 mrtux yes 01:56 _2cool_ What did you do mrtux, to make the Humane society come after you 01:56 cornernote whats defualt mod do ? 01:56 cornernote i have default, but i never heard of defualt 01:56 _2cool_ It's the items that you get by default 01:57 mrtux ..... 01:57 _2cool_ like dirt and ore and mese 01:57 cornernote SURE there is no typo on defualt ???? 01:57 cornernote read it 01:57 cornernote letter by letter 01:57 _2cool_ oh 01:57 cornernote lmao 01:57 cornernote craft guide 01:57 _2cool_ *face falls to meet palm* 01:57 cornernote found it 01:58 mrtux minetest is buggy.exe 01:58 cornernote mrtux, do you see your typo now? 01:58 mrtux nope 01:58 cornernote default 01:58 cornernote defualt 01:58 cornernote now ? 01:58 mrtux >default 01:59 mrtux I did that in other mods and it worked fine 01:59 cornernote search your code for "defualt:wood" 01:59 cornernote you swapped the AU to UA 01:59 cornernote learn to spell =) 01:59 * cornernote laughs 01:59 mrtux I made a typo. 02:00 mrtux heh heh 02:00 mrtux Sometimes I notice things easily but sometimes I don't. 02:00 cornernote and read what i wrote above 02:00 cornernote SURE there is no typo on defualt ???? 02:00 cornernote i used the wrong spelling many times in chat here 02:01 cornernote Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. 02:01 _2cool_ Youtube is hating me right now 02:01 mrtux it_works.avi 02:01 _2cool_ and I knew that 02:01 mrtux I can notice other's misspellings but i can't usually find mine 02:01 mrtux now if only i knew nodeboxes 02:02 cornernote was really funny, i didnt even notice it until craft_guide told me which one had the issue 02:02 mrtux cornernote, why isn't craft guide working? 02:02 cornernote and even then i had to squint to see it 02:02 mrtux it won't work for me 02:02 cornernote it works for me 02:02 cornernote can you give me more info ? 02:02 mrtux yes 02:02 cornernote what happens 02:03 cornernote latest git ? 02:03 mrtux It says failed to load and run /path/to/craftguide/init.lua 02:03 cornernote ok, and some error, line number ? 02:03 mrtux ok hang on 02:03 cornernote in the debug.txt 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: ========== ERROR FROM LUA =========== 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: C:\portablesoftware\mt\bin\..\mods\minetest\craftguide\in 02:04 mrtux it.lua: 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: ...portablesoftware\mt\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua:6 02:04 mrtux 2: Name craft_guide:sign_wall does not follow naming conventions: "modname:" or 02:04 mrtux ":" prefix required 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: stack traceback: 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'error' 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: ...portablesoftware\mt\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua: 02:04 mrtux 62: in function 'check_modname_prefix' 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: ...portablesoftware\mt\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua: 02:04 cornernote name your folder like this 02:04 mrtux 98: in function 'register_item' 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: ...portablesoftware\mt\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua: 02:04 cornernote craft_guide 02:04 mrtux 154: in function 'register_node' 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: ...software\mt\bin\..\mods\minetest\craftguide\init.lua: 02:04 NekoGloop Name the folder "craft_guide" 02:04 mrtux 167: in main chunk 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: =======END OF ERROR FROM LUA ======== 02:04 cornernote and please try to use pastebin 02:04 mrtux 21:02:13: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\portablesoftware\mt\bin 02:04 mrtux \..\mods\minetest\craftguide\init.lua 02:04 mrtux too long sorry 02:04 NakedFury mrtux you have to use pastebin for this 02:04 cornernote STOP 02:04 mrtux ok 02:04 mrtux yeah 02:04 cornernote i told u the answer 02:04 mrtux i should 02:04 mrtux it works 02:04 cornernote ok, good 02:05 cornernote www.pastebin.com -- anything more than 1-2 lines 02:05 mrtux lol craftguide keeps crashing 02:05 cornernote error, line # ? 02:06 cornernote is it the latest git ? 02:06 mrtux yes 02:06 mrtux wait 02:06 cornernote cos recently there was a change 02:06 cornernote ok 02:06 mrtux it's more than 1-2 lines, so i need to open firefox... 02:06 cornernote 3 days ago 02:06 mrtux i just downloaded it 02:06 cornernote ok 02:06 mrtux 02:07 mrtux 21:05:31: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...oftware\mt\bin\..\mods\m 02:07 mrtux inetest\craft_guide\init.lua:308: attempt to call field 'create_detached_invento 02:07 mrtux ry' (a nil value) 02:07 NekoGloop Dammit 02:07 cornernote 308 02:07 cornernote ok, sec 02:07 NekoGloop Stop pasting errors in the chat 02:07 cornernote you have too early version of MT 02:07 mrtux I have 0.4.1 02:07 cornernote you need to have the version that comes with the creative mod 02:08 cornernote 0.4.2.rc2 02:08 mrtux ah i see 02:08 mrtux I'm sticking with 0.4.1 until 0.4.2 comes out 02:08 cornernote http://c55.me/blog/ 02:08 NekoGloop It's rc1 btw 02:08 cornernote but you'r making mods ? 02:08 NekoGloop Last i checked anyway 02:08 cornernote rc1 sorry 02:08 NekoGloop No problem 02:09 cornernote i always forget version numbers =) 02:09 cornernote if your making mods, you should run the newer builds 02:09 mrtux noooo 02:09 mrtux I always stick to stable 02:09 cornernote ok, fair enough 02:10 cornernote i hope c55 does a release for 0.4.2 soon 02:10 mrtux Btw 0.4.2-rc1 doesn't have apples that spawn naturally on trees 02:10 mrtux My juices mod won't work then 02:10 mrtux I was told that 02:10 NekoGloop Yes it does 02:10 NekoGloop They only grow on planted saplings though 02:11 NekoGloop Just not every tree 02:11 cornernote 1 in 5 or something 02:11 NekoGloop Yes 02:11 cornernote also, its pretty easy to make trees grow 02:11 NekoGloop But no wild trees will have apples 02:11 cornernote mine do 02:12 mrtux ah 02:12 cornernote i spawn jungle tree 1/8, apple tree 1/5, and normal tree otherwise 02:12 cornernote yay jungle tree =) 02:12 mrtux do dry shrubs grow naturally? 02:12 mrtux I noticed one on my map 02:12 cornernote i think no, but not sure 02:13 cornernote there are lots of growing mods too 02:13 cornernote u can see how they work and grow anything you want 02:13 NekoGloop Dry shrubs generate but dont grow back 02:13 cornernote spawn plants + grow 02:16 NekoGloop Meow~ :3 02:19 mrtux Madchicken13 was banned? 02:19 NekoGloop I think so 02:20 mrtux the forums say he is 02:20 mrtux http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2730 <- example 02:20 NekoGloop Well servers still have to ban him individually 02:21 NekoGloop Better yet, keegan was unbanned? 02:23 mrtux yes 02:23 mrtux he was unbanned 02:26 cornernote what happened ? 02:27 cornernote i saw random stuff, arguments, etc 02:27 cornernote but i didnt much look into it 02:27 cornernote i saw him in here, with i think it was you NekoGloop... he was blaming someone for grief on his server 02:28 NekoGloop And... Yeah, he grieffested after that 02:45 NakedFury hey guys any development on super secret mods? 02:46 cornernote yes 02:47 NakedFury big mod or medium to small? 02:47 cornernote cant tell, its super secret 02:47 NakedFury ok 02:47 NakedFury total convertion or add on? 02:48 cornernote no, not really... i just thought the question was strange 02:58 mrtux i'm going to bed 03:55 cornernote is there a callback when a user crafts an item ? 03:57 * VanessaE peeks in 03:58 cornernote hey V 03:58 VanessaE hey hey 03:58 cornernote ok, probably minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields will work 03:58 cornernote i want to add achievements 03:59 cornernote like, Congrats, you have crafted 100 wood 03:59 cornernote it keeps a running tally type thing 03:59 VanessaE re: dry shrubs: only in deserts, somewhat sparsely, but if you have the latest junglegrass they'll "sort of" grow back 03:59 cornernote and you can see your achievements somewhere .. maybe in your inventory 04:00 cornernote minetest.setting_set - does this save just in the world i am in ? 04:01 cornernote i should probably use that instead of writing to files 04:01 VanessaE hey RBA 04:01 RealBadAngel hi 04:01 cornernote hey RBA 04:01 cornernote what do you think V ? 04:02 cornernote replace file writes with minetest.setting_set ? 04:02 VanessaE I dunno :-) 04:02 cornernote for things like... the current starting position in skyblock 04:02 VanessaE you're into an area I've not dealt with, 04:02 cornernote its just a number 04:02 VanessaE but I don't see a problem with creating files 04:02 VanessaE as long as those files are stored with the current world. 04:02 cornernote yes they are 04:03 cornernote eg: skyblock.start_position_id 04:03 cornernote int he world folder 04:03 cornernote the only advantage is i save a bunch of code, dont have to define load/save fundtions for them 04:03 VanessaE if you're writing files, you're best off storing everything from a given mod in one file with proper field names though 04:03 VanessaE like minetest.conf is done for example 04:04 cornernote i think minetest.setting_set() writes to minetest.conf in your world folder 04:04 VanessaE mmmh 04:04 cornernote which is used to override the settings in the game folder 04:04 VanessaE well as long as it doesn't override other settings in ~/.minetest/minetest.conf 04:05 cornernote lemme check.. 04:08 cornernote damn 04:08 cornernote writes to main fole 04:08 cornernote ok, i'll keep my own function 04:09 cornernote unless the key in the ini was like .. [worldname].skyblock.start_position_id 04:09 cornernote [worldname].skyblock.start_position_id = 123 04:09 cornernote that would work 04:09 cornernote but meh 04:09 cornernote i'll just keep it in a file 04:09 VanessaE naw, stick to writing files manually 04:09 cornernote yep 04:10 VanessaE or rather, *a* file. 04:12 cornernote i have several, because they are different data 04:12 cornernote one is a list of 1000 positions 04:12 cornernote and the other is an id of which one i am upto 04:13 cornernote and then there is 1 more, a list of assigned player positions 04:13 VanessaE ok multiple files then :D 04:13 cornernote could probably merge that into the 1st file 04:13 cornernote but again, meh.. it works =) 04:13 cornernote if it ain't broke 04:13 VanessaE now, 04:13 VanessaE about spawning jungle trees. 04:13 VanessaE gimme. 04:13 VanessaE :-) 04:15 cornernote its based on PilzAdam's farming mod for rubber trees 04:15 VanessaE strange place for it 04:15 cornernote and i used it to make normal and jungle trees (cos mapgen is disabled) 04:15 nutmmm2 I think jungle trees should be more in different shapes (more than they used to be) ect. if they were to spawn. 04:15 VanessaE I should extend Junglegrass to be a full jungle biome generator 04:15 cornernote heres my altered version of his code (makes apple 1/5, jungle 1/8, or just a normal tree) 04:15 cornernote https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-skyblock/blob/master/api.lua#L381 04:16 cornernote nutmmm2 i agree.. cant wait for some more tree mods 04:16 cornernote i want like 5-8 different types of trees 04:17 nutmmm2 I think too many different types gets a bit annoying should be 5 max! 04:17 cornernote but there are multiple biomes 04:17 cornernote in the biomes that have trees, should be at least 2 types, and i'd hope for more biomes 04:18 NakedFury I would like more types per biome 04:18 nutmmm2 there could be only 1 type and completely different shapes. 04:18 NakedFury I would do it but there is no tree generation template for me to learn 04:18 cornernote if you dig through all the mods, there are a few tree types already 04:18 NakedFury or biome generation template 04:18 cornernote tree, jungletree, conifer, irontree, rubber tree 04:19 VanessaE irontree? no 04:19 NakedFury trees and biomes are some thing that have yet to be taken out of source code to lua 04:19 VanessaE cherryblossoms are nice though 04:19 cornernote problem is the leaf growth is similar on all except the conifer 04:19 cornernote i thought there was some work done on this already ? 04:19 NakedFury well I dont see that code anywhere on default mod 04:19 cornernote http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2290 04:20 Splizard hi 04:20 NakedFury ohh that 04:20 cornernote ok, the core is in c++, but you can still do stuff with it, right ? 04:20 NakedFury hi 04:20 cornernote oh, that mod has Pine trees 04:20 cornernote thats 6 trees 04:21 NakedFury I would probably try 1 or 2 types per biome and different shapes for those types 04:21 cornernote i hate how MT generates flat stone edges 04:22 NakedFury I need to learn more about the generation so I can try to make a better world generation 04:22 cornernote cant wait until there nicely curved terain, with stone-bridge formations 04:22 VanessaE cornernote: I've seen such terrain once or twice 04:22 VanessaE pretty rare though 04:23 nutmmm2 Someone should make a mod with lots of rare biomes! 04:23 cornernote i think if you put mapgen 2012 you get a nice map 04:23 Splizard Biomes are fairly easy to create in lua, as long as your not generating mountains 04:23 Splizard (That would most likely be to slow) 04:23 cornernote i tried generating only ocean 04:23 cornernote soooo slow 04:23 cornernote cos i have to do every node 04:23 leo_rockway the jungle biome in MC looks really well done. It's a real jungle, you have trees growing out of control, very tall and very thick... 04:23 cornernote not sure how seablock will work yet 04:24 leo_rockway lots of plants all over, it's difficult to see around and to actually move, unless you destroy the leaves. 04:24 cornernote cool 04:24 cornernote vines and stuff i guess 04:24 leo_rockway mhm 04:24 leo_rockway and cocoa beans 04:24 nutmmm2 Yea I quite like how they did that! 04:24 NakedFury same here 04:24 leo_rockway I don't care about MC. I only downloaded a copy to improve MT. 04:25 NakedFury there is a mod that expands the biomes too 04:25 leo_rockway to see which things we are doing right and which things we're doing wrong. 04:25 leo_rockway MT feels a lot nicer to me. 04:25 NakedFury so what was the conclusion? 04:25 leo_rockway MT is a lot better, except we don't have mobs. 04:25 leo_rockway MC is slow 04:26 hmmmm MT is also slow, and the mapgen has lots of problems 04:26 leo_rockway even with the leaks and the CPU problems MT feels faster 04:26 Splizard What about biomes that add different grasses like MC? 04:26 leo_rockway rain in MC looks very nice. So does the map feature and the compass. 04:26 nutmmm2 Not really just Requires for CPU+RAM speed. 04:26 VanessaE hmmmm: you are right unfortunately. 04:26 hmmmm when i go to place a node, there's a couple second delay between when i click my mouse and it actually appaears - locally. 04:26 hmmmm and then it'll disappear 04:27 hmmmm and then some of the nodes i placed will reappear maybe 04:27 leo_rockway hmmmm: that's a "feature" 04:27 leo_rockway it's been discussed 04:27 VanessaE hmmmm: and in answer to your query earlier, the lags and CPU usage does bug the shit out of many of us, but so few of us can do anything about it 04:27 NakedFury some guys are working on patching leaks 04:27 hmmmm that's what i've been focusing on 04:27 leo_rockway hmmmm: the server keeps track of what you do, so that if it thinks you're cheating, it undoes what you just did. 04:27 NakedFury viscandl I think is 04:27 hmmmm i feel like the server is way too chatty 04:27 leo_rockway ironically, that feature makes things even laggier. 04:27 hmmmm indeed... 04:28 hmmmm i'll look at that later though. first things first, need to fix the problem where the emerge queue gets stuck 04:28 hmmmm then have to deal with the permanent shadows 04:28 leo_rockway I think MT can surpass MC easily with a bit more time. 04:28 hmmmm then have to deal with the abnormally high placed blocks 04:28 VanessaE hmmmm: and fix that G*d damn mapgen lag! 04:28 VanessaE (excuse my language) 04:28 hmmmm vanessae, that's just the mudflow 04:28 NakedFury some stuff still needs to be ported over to lua 04:29 hmmmm i mean i'm sure it can be optimized but if you want the mapgen REALLY fast, just comment out a couple lines of code :) 04:29 hmmmm you'll shit your pants 04:29 NakedFury then smooth map gen and increase speed when you place nodes too 04:29 leo_rockway hmmmm: I'd rather keep clean pants, but that sounds interesting. 04:29 VanessaE then that patch needs reverted and a better one written that doesn't slow down the *client* also 04:29 hmmmm the mapgen itself needs to be fixed... you can't build any real big structures because the land is WAY too hilly 04:29 NakedFury increase the engine limit when using too many items in the same place too 04:30 hmmmm so the obvious 'fix' is to change a couple parameters in the noise2d_perlin calls 04:30 leo_rockway water in MC feels better than in MT 04:30 hmmmm but that's not a fix, that's a hack 04:30 leo_rockway in MT it feels like jello. 04:30 NakedFury it is 04:30 hmmmm what I want to do is make those parameters runtime configurable 04:30 leo_rockway also, I edited my client to move faster. The default speed is kind of slow. 04:30 leo_rockway player speed, that is. 04:30 NakedFury also MT needs the ability to have more than 1 stuff in a node 04:30 hmmmm nakedfury, ?? what do you mean 04:31 NakedFury ok one sec 04:31 NakedFury water 04:31 VanessaE hmmmm: but my complaint isn't that the map generator sometimes takes a bit to render a new chunk. It's that sometimes it lags the shit out of the client - making it hang, making it jittery, etc. 04:31 cornernote yeah, set map_meta.txt to seed = 2012 .. thats a really cool map 04:31 hmmmm oh yes 04:31 hmmmm hmm 04:31 cornernote some nice things around 04:31 VanessaE hmmmm: that should NOT happen 04:31 hmmmm that's a much more complicated problem 04:31 NakedFury we cant have water stuff without adding that thing 04:31 VanessaE server-side stuff should NOT drag the client down! 04:31 hmmmm vanessae, the way mt works, the server is the thing that generates 04:31 hmmmm all the client does is wait for the new chunks 04:31 VanessaE yes I know. 04:31 hmmmm so that's impossible 04:32 hmmmm the problem is somewhere else 04:32 leo_rockway I should learn C++... 04:32 VanessaE then why does the client lag out and get sluggish when the mapgen does? 04:32 cornernote problem is the client cannot move to a chunk it doesnt know about... right ? 04:32 hmmmm i dunno 04:32 VanessaE cornernote: if you're flying you can 04:32 hmmmm vanessae, are you talking about single player? 04:32 cornernote yeah, i mean in a server 04:32 cornernote i have the same issue 04:32 VanessaE hmmmm: yes, and occasionally on a remote server also. 04:32 cornernote i join, then i have to wait ages 04:32 hmmmm weird @ the remote server 04:33 hmmmm but not so weird @ singleplayer 04:33 cornernote and then i can only walk a small distance, then wait more 04:33 VanessaE actually strike that 04:33 VanessaE I only ever notice it in singleplayer mode 04:33 hmmmm cornernote, you're not using a single core cpu, are you? 04:33 hmmmm vanessae, then the problem is obvious - mapgen is slow :p 04:33 VanessaE on a server, chunks just sometimes take a while to show up. 04:33 cornernote no, 8 core 04:33 hmmmm mm 04:33 hmmmm hrmm 04:33 hmmmm wow, you guys are even having cpu problems 04:33 VanessaE oh yeah. 04:33 hmmmm here i thought it was just me with my athlon 3500+ 04:34 VanessaE the game should NOT zonk a 2.8GHz CPU core to 100% at all. the GPU should be doing most of the work 04:34 hmmmm i'd personally love to see these sorts of things fixed rather than any new features 04:34 cornernote no, its not a client cpu problem, i think its the server is having the cpu problem 04:34 leo_rockway hmmmm: i3, CPU problems. All of us have them. 04:34 NakedFury talking about mapgen, is it possible to change from the algorithm method we are using? 04:34 hmmmm why would you want to do that? 04:34 VanessaE hmmmm: good luck getting c55 to fix them - he's taking a break and seems more interested in other stuff 04:34 cornernote hmmmm, we could then make better maps, biomes 04:34 hmmmm vanessae, yeah i've seen that - basically right now minetest is in the state of "if you want something done, do it yourself" 04:34 NakedFury there are some better algorithm for terrain than what we use 04:35 hmmmm nakedfury, like?? 04:35 VanessaE hmmmm: which is a sucky state to be in if you can't code C++ 04:35 hmmmm really i don't think perlin noise is too bad but it seriously needs to be tuned better. 04:35 NakedFury diamond square algorithm 04:35 hmmmm vanessae, it's not just knowing how to code a language 04:35 cornernote hmmmm, its not hard to make something better than a flat line of stone going straight up 04:35 hmmmm it's about having the programmer mentality 04:35 hmmmm and being familiar with the source 04:35 VanessaE hmmmm: it's having the skills to code in the game environment too 04:35 hmmmm those are way more important 04:35 hmmmm cornernote, oh? 04:36 hmmmm cornernote, those cliffs are a feature 04:36 cornernote indeed 04:36 hmmmm you can change that if you'd like, 04:36 cornernote well, they could be a little lessstraight 04:36 hmmmm it's in get_rock_level or whatever it is 04:36 VanessaE I have that "programmer mentality" as you call it, after 25 years of coding. What I don't have is in-depth knowledge of the game code, or knowledge of the language it is written in. 04:36 hmmmm you see where he calculates 'higher'? 04:36 cornernote hmmmm, in the c++ code ? 04:36 hmmmm well that's the thing 04:37 hmmmm well yeah, everything i talk about is in the engine 04:37 hmmmm anyway 04:37 hmmmm nah you're right 04:37 cornernote why would you want to do that? 04:37 cornernote well, thats the reason 04:37 hmmmm this is better off as a mod, but you'd need to figure out how to detect a cliff 04:37 Tekk_ I know some C 04:37 hmmmm this isn't directly caused by the algorithm he's using 04:37 Tekk_ and I've looked in the minetest source a bit, seems clean enough 04:37 cornernote if all mapgen was a mod, would be much easier 04:37 hmmmm alright 04:37 cornernote i dont know that much c++, and moving c++ to lua isnt easy for me 04:38 hmmmm you don't want to do that 04:38 Tekk_ can someone use a profiler and send me an output image? 04:38 hmmmm the mapgen is mostly in C++ for a reason 04:38 Tekk_ leo_rockway: told me about the issue o.o 04:38 leo_rockway Tekk_: there's also the issue that cornernote noticed: you get huge walls of stone. 04:38 cornernote whats the reason ? 04:38 hmmmm uhm, speed 04:38 VanessaE hmmmm: easily done. if pos.{y-5 or y+5} = air at pos.{x or z}{+ or -1} then assume it's a cliff :-) 04:38 leo_rockway cornernote: Lua is slow. 04:38 hmmmm you think the mapgen is slow right now? 04:38 cornernote ok, cant we register it in lua 04:38 hmmmm put it in lua and then watch it 04:39 cornernote it still runs in c++ 04:39 Tekk_ I haven't found the mapgen slow, personally 04:39 leo_rockway Tekk_: guide me on the profiler? Valgrind? 04:39 hmmmm vanessae, if you want to carve out holes/whatever in cliffs with mapgen.lua, that's a good way to do it i guess 04:39 VanessaE hmmmm: I was joking :-) 04:39 Tekk_ leo_rockway: kcachegrind 04:39 cornernote yes, i want to 04:39 hmmmm lol 04:39 cornernote not only holes 04:39 Tekk_ it'll give you an output image 04:39 cornernote but connecting cliffs 04:39 leo_rockway Tekk_: installing. 04:40 hmmmm connecting cliffs is harder 04:40 cornernote awesome cliff structures 04:40 VanessaE but fuck putting the map generator into lua. it's slow enough as it is. 04:40 hmmmm >< 04:40 leo_rockway Tekk_: how do I use it? 04:40 Tekk_ leo_rockway: dunno 04:40 Tekk_ it's kde, you have help files o.o 04:40 leo_rockway >.< 04:42 NakedFury is the snow biome the best way to go about making biomes? 04:44 hmmmm cornernote: if you want to make cliffs holier, i guess what you could do is have base_rock_level_2d return a second value by ref or whatever, if (higher * a > 15) or whatever, *is_cliff = true; 04:44 leo_rockway Tekk_: working on learning this. 04:45 cornernote this is a cool page 04:45 cornernote http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Map_Generator_Evolution 04:45 hmmmm and then in make_block after that call 04:45 hmmmm right before you fill the ground with stone 04:46 hmmmm you can make some 2d noise and then vmanip.m_data[i] = MapNode(c_air) 04:46 hmmmm there's an example of how to do that... 04:46 cornernote hrmmm, i know enough c++ to get myself in trouble.. i dont think i'll be changing mapgen if i have to learn more c++ 04:46 hmmmm right below 04:47 hmmmm where the caves are genreated 04:47 cornernote but thanks for taking time to explain what needs to be done 04:47 hmmmm well cave amount 04:47 hmmmm ya i can do it right now but i'm working on getting it fast 04:47 hmmmm but mapgen is also a big pain in the butt 04:47 leo_rockway Tekk_: I figured it out. I'll send you the profile in a bit. 04:47 hmmmm i should get that fast, and then i can rule out the more hidden cpu problems 04:48 leo_rockway I can't even start the game with valgrind running :S 04:48 cornernote Version 5 -- Official mapgen for version 0.3.1 .. this one was awesome 04:49 VanessaE what would it take to rip out the current mapgen and re-use the 0.3.1 one? (but tweaked for the current map file format of course) 04:49 Tekk_ leo_rockway: may lose you for a sec 04:49 Tekk_ nope, ssh didn't restart 04:49 leo_rockway Tekk_: o.o 04:49 leo_rockway okay 04:49 leo_rockway I'll go brush my teeth anyway 04:49 leo_rockway profiler is running, the game is still loading 04:50 VanessaE (I'd help out with this profiling thing if I knew what I was doing :D ) 04:50 cornernote rivers and waterfalls would be sweet in a mapgen 04:50 hmmmm well it's not much of a help because we already know where the big cpu problems are 04:50 Tekk_ oh, where? 04:50 hmmmm one of them is being fixed (SendBlocks) 04:51 VanessaE cool 04:51 VanessaE hmmmm: I've been wondering something: 04:51 hmmmm another cpu problem is the map gen mudflow 04:51 Tekk_ so algorithmic, great 04:51 Tekk_ won't be too much help there 04:52 VanessaE when I view the built-in profiler output, I notice the server is sending a continuous stream of data even when there's nothing to do e.g. I've been standing in one place for like 1-2 minutes. Shouldn't this be trimmed? 04:52 Tekk_ how continuous? 04:52 Tekk_ too much to be just keepalives? 04:52 hmmmm cornernote: waterfalls will come from rivers... i already know how to do that, it's strictly a Lua mapgen thing though 04:52 VanessaE lemme look again 04:52 hmmmm VanessaE, yea 04:52 hmmmm there are three packets sent every server step regardless of activity 04:53 hmmmm I need to look at what they are (if you noticed i asked this in #minetest-dev and didn't even get a reply) 04:53 cornernote hmmmm, that will be awesome 04:53 Tekk_ any idea of the contents? 04:53 hmmmm not really 04:53 hmmmm i'd have to dig through the source to find out 04:53 hmmmm =/ 04:53 Tekk_ not really 04:54 Tekk_ isn't the protocol posted anywhere? 04:54 hmmmm oh yeah, it's probably on the wiki come to think about it 04:54 hmmmm i need to sit down and read it some 04:54 NakedFury well I leave you guys to create magic 04:54 NakedFury need to sleep 04:54 VanessaE lemme give it a minute to settle out 04:54 hmmmm I'd look at Server::AsyncRunStep if i wanted to see what's being sent so much though 04:55 hmmmm vanessae, set dedicated_server_step = 0.35 and it'll help cpu usage a surprising amount 04:55 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1372917004.png 04:55 VanessaE there. bottom left corner. 04:55 hmmmm i have NO clue why it needs to be sent every 50 milliseconds... that's nuts 04:55 VanessaE all of the map visible from that particular location is already long since been loaded. 04:57 Tekk_ so the spacing on there is ~50 ms? 04:57 VanessaE Tekk_: in the client_received_block line I think those are 1/3 or 1/4-second steps 04:57 VanessaE hmmmm: holy shit 04:57 Tekk_ probably a bit of braindeadness in some of the coding, if you go to somewhere with new stuff being loaded, are the packets at about the same interval? 04:58 leo_rockway well, the profiling of starting the game and moving around for like 2 seconds is done.... I'll upload it just in case anyway. 04:58 VanessaE Tekk_: this isn't the default.....why? 04:58 Tekk_ VanessaE: just wondering if something in minetest just happened to set the timing to every 50 ms on sends 04:59 Tekk_ but obviously it is actually reactive to load 04:59 leo_rockway http://leorockway.com.ar/callgrind.out.10372 04:59 leo_rockway Tekk_: ^ 04:59 VanessaE Tekk_: beats me - I have large number of mods but even without any installed the game is slow and memory-hungry 04:59 Tekk_ (I'm saying 40 ms, but that's what hmmmm seemed to be saying) 04:59 leo_rockway you can open that with kcachegrind 04:59 leo_rockway VanessaE: even without mods and without fancy trees and fancy clouds. 04:59 Tekk_ 403 04:59 Tekk_ you hate me :D 04:59 leo_rockway what? o.0 how!? 04:59 Tekk_ put it in tekk.com.ar/files/ 04:59 Tekk_ I know that's good 04:59 Tekk_ OH 05:00 Tekk_ nope, tekk.com.ar works 05:00 hmmmm Tekk_ if you look in minetest.conf.example it has dedicated_server_step = 0.05 commented out... times in minetest are measured in seconds (if a float) 05:00 hmmmm which translates to 50 ms per step 05:00 hmmmm step/tick/whatever 05:00 VanessaE fancy trees/clouds don't affect the speed of my game, so I leave them enabled. 05:00 leo_rockway Tekk_: you and your lighttpd magic o.o 05:00 Tekk_ figured it may have been something with the new lighttpd 05:00 Tekk_ yeah 05:00 hmmmm which is nuts 05:00 Tekk_ not me, I think 05:00 Tekk_ just check your permissions 05:00 Tekk_ yeah, it's just that file 05:00 leo_rockway Tekk_: okay, moved it. 05:01 VanessaE hmmmm: seems to me that something on the order of 1/2 second per step is more reasonable than 1/20 05:01 leo_rockway oh, it was the file 05:01 hmmmm yea :) 05:01 leo_rockway I see 05:01 hmmmm I have it 1/3 right now 05:01 VanessaE right 05:01 VanessaE hence the 0.35 05:01 hmmmm and Starcraft has it 1/4 05:01 leo_rockway Tekk_: https://tekk.com.ar/files/callgrind.out.10372 05:01 Tekk_ -rw------- 1 leo leo 2.1M Aug 23 00:58 callgrind.out.10372 05:01 leo_rockway it was rw------- 05:01 Tekk_ that would be why 05:01 leo_rockway mhm 05:01 leo_rockway I chmod 777 05:02 Tekk_ works now 05:02 leo_rockway Tekk_: anyway, open that with kcachegrind and work your magic o.o 05:02 leo_rockway just a heads up, in case it matters: I have irrlicht svn 05:02 Tekk_ don't think so, if others have it 05:03 leo_rockway other have Irrlicht stable 05:03 leo_rockway 1.7 or whatever it is 05:03 leo_rockway others* 05:03 VanessaE what does -svn do that -stable doesn't? 05:03 leo_rockway I installed svn to see if that had anything to do... 05:03 Tekk_ absolutely nothing, leo_rockway just likes to be bleeding edge because it makes him feel powerful 05:03 Tekk_ :P 05:03 leo_rockway VanessaE: it makes your text and textboxes both white :S 05:03 VanessaE ha 05:04 VanessaE ooo this isn't good 05:04 leo_rockway but, what Tekk_ said. 05:04 Tekk_ nah, it's fine 05:04 Tekk_ it'll be fixed before it becomes stable 05:04 VanessaE hmmmm: since making that server step change, now the game is crashy 05:04 leo_rockway I like building stuff from git/svn/hg for kicks sometimes. 05:04 VanessaE (segfault) 05:04 hmmmm oh wow? 05:04 hmmmm well there's a bug 05:04 Tekk_ hmm 05:04 Tekk_ leo_rockway: do we actually need bash for anything? 05:05 hmmmm it's good that it crashed because we know there's something wrong 05:05 VanessaE lemme puch it through gdb and see what happens 05:05 Tekk_ when I need a bourne shell I use dash 05:05 VanessaE push* 05:05 hmmmm hahaha 05:05 leo_rockway Tekk_: I don't use it. Do Debian initscripts have bashisms? 05:05 hmmmm no luck there 05:05 hmmmm for gdb to be useful you need to have it compiled for debug 05:05 Tekk_ I think that was one of the release goals for squeeze 05:05 Tekk_ convert them all to dash 05:05 hmmmm which is really slow 05:05 leo_rockway Tekk_: I use zsh, so it's fine by me if we don't have bash. 05:05 Tekk_ I should probably actually use zsh instead of dash 05:05 Tekk_ when I need a bourne 05:06 Tekk_ alias jason /usr/bin/zsh 05:06 leo_rockway hmmmm: how to compile for debug? 05:06 Tekk_ another one to add to my neverending list of joke aliases 05:06 leo_rockway Tekk_: Ethan had alias chucknorrissays='sudo' 05:07 VanessaE_ HAH 05:07 VanessaE_ THIS looks like a job for the Magic SysRq key! 05:07 Tekk_ leo_rockway: a really nice one that you could probably use 05:07 Tekk_ alias paux "ps aux | grep" 05:07 leo_rockway Raising Elephants, woohoo! 05:07 nutmmm2 ..? 05:07 VanessaE_ I dunno what happened there but my computer went byebye :-) 05:08 leo_rockway Tekk_: aux isn't all *nix compatible :S at work I find myself always going for aux and failing miserably. 05:08 leo_rockway -ef 05:08 Tekk_ ps a? 05:08 leo_rockway maybe, I'll check next time 05:08 Tekk_ ah 05:08 Tekk_ leo_rockway: ps -e 05:09 Tekk_ -e is posix for ps a 05:09 leo_rockway yup, we use -ef 05:09 Tekk_ yep -ef == aux 05:09 Tekk_ and it works in everything 05:09 leo_rockway Tekk_: did you see the profiling stuff? does that make any sense to you? 05:09 Tekk_ NOOOOO 05:09 Tekk_ there's no emacs 05:09 Tekk_ how will I survive? 05:09 VanessaE_ use vi? ;-) 05:10 leo_rockway oh, brave new world... 05:10 Tekk_ colemak :/ 05:10 Tekk_ unless I steal leo_rockway's config 05:10 leo_rockway ooh, like emacs and colemak do go well together... 05:10 leo_rockway Tekk_: I never remapped 05:10 Tekk_ leo_rockway: they do 05:10 Tekk_ emacs+colemak is better than emacs+qwerty 05:10 leo_rockway Tekk_: there's a remap online, though 05:10 Tekk_ I couldn't find it in 2010 :P 05:10 leo_rockway http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?id=50 05:10 VanessaE_ well at least now I have the latest kernel running. My computer was due for a reboot anyway. 05:11 Tekk_ which is why I switched to emacs 05:11 leo_rockway Tekk_: I use vimperator without any remap 05:13 leo_rockway suddenly, silence o.o 05:13 hmmmm leo_rockway, i assume -DDEBUG 05:13 hmmmm or -D_DEBUG 05:13 hmmmm idk 05:14 hmmmm never had to do that before 05:14 leo_rockway okay, I'll check it out, thank you. 05:15 leo_rockway from README.txt 05:15 leo_rockway - You can select between Release and Debug build by -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE= 05:15 hmmmm oh :)! 05:15 hmmmm heh 05:15 leo_rockway that helped, hehe 05:16 leo_rockway I'll build now 05:17 Tekk_ :/ 05:17 Tekk_ leo_rockway: did you get another out generated? 05:18 leo_rockway Tekk_: no, why? 05:18 leo_rockway I can get another if you want me to 05:18 Tekk_ because that's the wrong thread 05:18 leo_rockway I'm rebuilding with debugging symbols 05:18 leo_rockway Tekk_: meaning? 05:19 Tekk_ it's useless o.o 05:19 leo_rockway how do I produce a useful out? 05:19 Tekk_ dunno 05:19 Tekk_ with lusu it gave me different outs 05:19 Tekk_ so I'd get like 3 from running 05:20 leo_rockway Tekk_: how did you run it? 05:21 VanessaE_ hmmmm: I think you can ignore the segfault. must have been due to some update I brought in that needed the restart or something 05:21 VanessaE_ seems ok now. 05:22 Tekk_ leo_rockway: don't worry about it 05:22 hmmmm err no... if you're having trouble replicating it that means it's even worse 05:22 Tekk_ I'll get around to profililg myself 05:22 leo_rockway Tekk_: petaQ! you made me install these tools, I might as well use them now o.o 05:22 Tekk_ the hell 05:22 VanessaE_ heh ok 05:22 Tekk_ apparently AOL is on the default debian trust list 05:22 Tekk_ for certs 05:22 hmmmm just keep on the lookout for it 05:22 leo_rockway Tekk_: heh 05:22 leo_rockway VanessaE_: and install debugging symbols o.o 05:23 Tekk_ leo_rockway: look up callgrind 05:23 Tekk_ that'll generate call.outs for you 05:23 VanessaE_ hmmmm: sure 05:23 Tekk_ which you can then open up in kcache 05:23 VanessaE_ leo_rockway: I'll leave that to someone else 05:23 leo_rockway Tekk_: I used valgrind --tool=callgrind minetest 05:23 leo_rockway VanessaE_: yup, already did. 05:24 Tekk_ that's what I did 05:24 Tekk_ weird 05:24 leo_rockway useful tip: headphones work better when they are plugged in. 05:25 leo_rockway Reading symbols from /usr/bin/minetest...(no debugging symbols found)...done. 05:25 leo_rockway >.< 05:25 leo_rockway so, I don't know what I'm doing anymore. 05:26 leo_rockway I'm standing doing nothing and new threads are being generated like crazy 05:37 Tekk_ leo_rockway: we're officially on wheezy 05:37 leo_rockway \o/ woohoo 05:39 * GTRsdk is finding that the ideal control panel for minetest is not working as planned... 05:40 VanessaE_ cornernote: you here? 05:45 GTRsdk Is any sensitive data outputted to the console minetest is running from? 05:45 Tekk_ define sensitive 05:46 GTRsdk passwords 05:49 VanessaE_ hey RealBadAngel 05:49 RealBadAngel hi Vanessa 05:49 RealBadAngel sorry that im jumpin in n out 05:49 VanessaE_ s'ok 05:49 RealBadAngel was installin some soft 05:50 RealBadAngel so a few reboots were needed 05:51 RealBadAngel ive done water pumping 05:51 RealBadAngel to the tank by now 05:51 VanessaE_ coool 05:51 RealBadAngel thinkin now bout flooding 05:52 RealBadAngel i mean how to pump all that water out of the tank 05:52 VanessaE_ right 05:53 VanessaE_ well, one way might be to look for valves on both side pipe fittings 05:53 VanessaE_ well no 05:53 RealBadAngel no no 05:53 VanessaE_ hm 05:53 RealBadAngel im talkin now bout how to place the water nodes 05:53 VanessaE_ ohh 05:54 RealBadAngel to make nice floodin effect 05:54 RealBadAngel when water gets off the pipeline 05:54 VanessaE_ pos=outlet pos. water to pos.x{+ or -1}, pos.y+1, pos.z{+ or -1} 05:55 VanessaE_ (but never directly above) 05:55 RealBadAngel of course 05:55 RealBadAngel but when taken? 05:55 VanessaE_ as well as all sides of the outlet of course. 05:55 VanessaE_ when taken? hm 05:55 RealBadAngel theres more water 05:55 VanessaE_ search outward for the next closest non-water-source? 05:56 VanessaE_ of it's air or water_flowing make it water_source 05:56 VanessaE_ if* 05:56 RealBadAngel we are talkin now how to fill the sea problem :) 05:56 VanessaE_ yes 05:56 VanessaE_ same thibng 05:56 VanessaE_ same thing - if you only ever fill air and water_flowing nodes, you'll get that effect 05:57 VanessaE_ and you'll flood the lake if you start looking at pos.y+1 and higher ;-) 05:57 VanessaE_ wait 05:57 VanessaE_ ok 05:57 VanessaE_ I got it 05:57 RealBadAngel yes? 05:58 VanessaE_ first search straight down from the water outlet until you hit the first non-air node. 05:58 VanessaE_ non-air/non-water-flowing. 05:58 VanessaE_ ok, 05:58 VanessaE_ then step back up by 1, so you're pointing at the air or water-flowing that's above the dirt/stone/whatever 05:59 VanessaE_ if it's air or water-flowing, place water_source 05:59 VanessaE_ if it's anything else, search sideways aroudn that point 05:59 VanessaE_ first spot you find to dump water, put it there 06:00 VanessaE_ if you've searched the whole way around and find no place to put a new water node, step up one, return to the X/Z spot under the outlet, start your search anew 06:00 VanessaE_ keep doing that until you run out of water nodes to add. 06:00 VanessaE_ even if that means searching *above* the outlet. 06:01 RealBadAngel ok 06:01 VanessaE_ but limit your search diameter from center to maybe 30 or 40 nodes 06:01 VanessaE_ (if you search too much you might drag the CPU down) 06:01 RealBadAngel yeah 06:02 RealBadAngel or maybe use the built in search? 06:02 RealBadAngel dont remember the name 06:02 RealBadAngel find in radius or somethin 06:02 VanessaE_ oh yes 06:02 VanessaE_ - find_node_near(pos, radius, nodenames) -> pos or nil 06:03 RealBadAngel and limit the y just 06:03 VanessaE_ well I don't think that particular one can be limited to only an X/Z search 06:04 VanessaE_ unless... 06:04 RealBadAngel what? 06:04 VanessaE_ maybe radius can be a table of radii? 06:04 VanessaE_ e.g. {30,1,30} 06:05 RealBadAngel will check it 06:05 VanessaE_ either way I presume it returns the position of the first found node (you'll search for "air" and "water_source" I guess) 06:06 RealBadAngel hmmm i just thought somethin different 06:07 VanessaE_ ? 06:07 RealBadAngel what if player builds closed volume for the fluid? 06:07 RealBadAngel such search will extend volume borders and put the fluids outside 06:07 VanessaE_ then you just don't remove water from the tanks or place new nodes - treat it as a large tank 06:07 VanessaE_ hrm 06:07 VanessaE_ good point 06:08 VanessaE_ this may require it to be done manually 06:08 RealBadAngel kind fill algorithm needed? 06:08 VanessaE_ yeah 06:09 RealBadAngel *kinda 06:09 VanessaE_ I think that will be slow 06:09 RealBadAngel hmmm 06:09 RealBadAngel we could try 06:09 RealBadAngel it could be done just once 06:10 RealBadAngel when you put grate 06:10 VanessaE_ do it when the 06:10 VanessaE_ yeah 06:10 VanessaE_ use - find_nodes_in_area(minp, maxp, nodenames) -> list of positions 06:10 VanessaE_ store the node names in a table or so, search the table later during the pumping routine 06:10 VanessaE_ or store the positions rather 06:11 VanessaE_ hrm 06:11 RealBadAngel can store them in grate's meta 06:11 VanessaE_ no 06:11 VanessaE_ bad idea 06:11 RealBadAngel why? 06:11 VanessaE_ won't that metadata get carried along with the grate when it is dug/moved? 06:11 RealBadAngel no 06:11 VanessaE_ oh ok 06:11 RealBadAngel will be lost 06:16 VanessaE_ ok, so we pre-fill a table/metadata block with something like stone or dirt, anything non-air, then search the area around the outlet and change entries in that data block according to the results of the search 06:16 VanessaE_ and then only search that data block when the mod needs to place a water node. 06:17 VanessaE_ starting at wherever the outlet grate was 06:17 VanessaE_ using the "fill algorithm" I described 06:17 VanessaE_ (we want this to behave like water would in the real world, if the real world were made of cubes ;-) ) 06:18 VanessaE_ then you could easily search a radius of hundreds of nodes quickly 06:19 RealBadAngel im readin now 06:19 RealBadAngel http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/6017/QuickFill-An-efficient-flood-fill-algorithm 06:19 * VanessaE_ reads 06:19 RealBadAngel nodes are just pixels, right? 06:19 VanessaE_ yeah 06:20 RealBadAngel so lets use just graphics fill algorithms 06:20 VanessaE_ and we only need a 2d fill anyway, we can do the +/-Y part manually 06:22 RealBadAngel just some restrictions will be needed 06:22 RealBadAngel like you said 30-40 nodes 06:22 VanessaE_ *nod* like limiting the search distance 06:22 VanessaE_ but, 06:22 VanessaE_ if we can search farther without a huge CPU load, then it makes sense to take it farther 06:22 RealBadAngel when player will be tryin to fill a volume, it will fill it up 06:22 VanessaE_ up to some reasonable limit of course. searching 1000 nodes from an outlet would be stupid :-) 06:23 RealBadAngel when put on open ground 06:23 RealBadAngel then the limits will make borders 06:23 VanessaE_ right, at which point the game's normal flowing water code takes over 06:24 RealBadAngel will make it so: 06:24 VanessaE_ I wish there was a way to disable the server's normal creation of infinite water/lava though 06:24 RealBadAngel each try to pump out the water i will call the flood_fill routine 06:25 RealBadAngel and look for a free node 06:25 VanessaE_ wait, idea 06:25 RealBadAngel when found, will pump it out, when return false, pump will be jammed 06:25 VanessaE_ each time flood-fill is called, let it return an extra result: if the area can't be filled, it should say so. next time the same routine is called it can exit immediately based on that last status 06:26 RealBadAngel not good idea 06:26 RealBadAngel player can make a hole in a volume 06:27 RealBadAngel search shall be done every pump tick 06:27 RealBadAngel its not on world step, its just once a second 06:28 RealBadAngel shall not cause lags i think 06:30 VanessaE_ ok 06:32 VanessaE_ oof, quickfill is quite a bit of code... 06:38 RealBadAngel but we want to get from it just one pixel at the time 06:38 RealBadAngel not all of them 06:39 VanessaE_ true 06:39 RealBadAngel and that shall not be laggy 06:39 cornernote i dropped out 06:40 cornernote and i see you were talking about filling the sea 06:40 RealBadAngel yeah 06:40 VanessaE_ wb cornernote 06:40 RealBadAngel hi cornernote 06:40 cornernote what did i miss ? 06:40 cornernote player can make a hole in a volume 06:40 cornernote * Disconnected 06:40 cornernote from there 06:40 VanessaE_ sure, we're at the part of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where slarti is showing arthur how the world rebuild is going :-) 06:40 cornernote is there an irc log ? 06:41 RealBadAngel you havent missed much 06:41 cornernote ok, so no good solution to fill the ocean ? 06:41 RealBadAngel why, there is 06:41 VanessaE_ http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/6017/QuickFill-An-efficient-flood-fill-algorithm 06:41 VanessaE_ this 06:41 cornernote looking 06:41 RealBadAngel simple graphics fill algorithm 06:41 RealBadAngel nodes are pixels 06:42 RealBadAngel whatever is not air or flowin water makes border 06:42 cornernote thats just 2d ? 06:42 RealBadAngel 2d, 3d, 4d doesnt matter 06:43 RealBadAngel rules are the same 06:43 VanessaE_ cornernote: easy. try to fill a horizontal area - if already full step up pos.y+1 and try again 06:43 RealBadAngel yeah 06:43 RealBadAngel then step up 06:43 RealBadAngel and again 06:43 RealBadAngel voila, sea filled ;) 06:44 cornernote i want to go down 06:44 cornernote to infinity 06:44 RealBadAngel make a hole in the bottom of the sea then lol 06:44 cornernote well, maybe not.. i can still die on the floor 06:44 VanessaE_ we start filling at the lowest air node below the outlet pipe :-) 06:44 VanessaE_ search upward from there, even if that means you have to go down 10000 nodes to find land ;-) 06:44 cornernote on, you're talking about pipes 06:44 khonkhortisan so realistic flooding? 06:45 RealBadAngel kinda 06:45 VanessaE_ more or less, within limits of the game 06:45 cornernote i thought you were talking about a way to make a sea (like a mapgen sea) 06:45 GTRsdk 4d? has anyone had luck setting anythign 4d up? 06:45 RealBadAngel hehehe 06:45 cornernote yes, i play in 4d (if you count time) 06:45 RealBadAngel 4d was just a joke ;) 06:45 khonkhortisan I like 4d. There's a 4d maze game on the internet 06:45 VanessaE_ cornernote: wouldn't at just be if node(pos) = air then add_node(pos, "air") or so? :-) 06:46 khonkhortisan http://www.urticator.net/maze/ 06:46 VanessaE_ (for all Y below whatever sea level would in your mod) 06:46 cornernote VanessaE, yes... but thats UBER slow to fill the area with water 06:46 RealBadAngel damn 06:46 RealBadAngel sea is a big thingy 06:46 khonkhortisan playable if you cross your eyes 06:46 RealBadAngel it SHALL take some time to fill it 06:47 RealBadAngel i played with minecraft pumps 06:47 cornernote i tried this - https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-skyblock/blob/master/api.lua#L289 06:47 RealBadAngel it took 2 days to pump out big lava lake in the nether 06:47 RealBadAngel not 2 game days 06:47 khonkhortisan so sometime far off into the future we'll launch cannonballs at ships and have to pump the water out 06:48 RealBadAngel just 2 days irl 06:48 cornernote was way too slow to generate all the sea 06:49 RealBadAngel btw 06:50 RealBadAngel when started new world 06:50 RealBadAngel i think creative shall be one-time option to pick up 06:50 RealBadAngel so, you could make creative worlds 06:50 RealBadAngel or adventure worlds 06:51 cornernote its a tickbox when you start the server 06:51 RealBadAngel yes 06:51 RealBadAngel and then u can go there and back 06:51 RealBadAngel i mean once world is created that box shouldn apply 06:52 cornernote i see 06:52 cornernote its only there for singleplayer on new player 06:52 cornernote if singleplayer exists then dont allow it 06:52 cornernote but what if you're not finished loading your world ? 06:53 RealBadAngel it should be an option when creating new world 06:53 cornernote maybe as soon as non-singleplayer joins, its disabled 06:53 RealBadAngel not a login option 06:54 RealBadAngel so, you create new world, set it to creative, and then it is permamently in creative mode 06:54 RealBadAngel uncheck it, and the world is in adventure mode 06:54 RealBadAngel no possibility to switch 06:56 cornernote you could do that 06:56 cornernote in the creative mod, just check if CM is off, save a setting to never allow it 06:56 RealBadAngel that makes sense 06:57 RealBadAngel creative is kinda cheat mode 06:57 VanessaE_ but consider: 06:57 VanessaE_ what if the user/player is making a world in creative mode to be used by others later as part of some adventure world in survival mode? 06:57 VanessaE_ i.e. using creative mode to build it up easier before distrubution 06:58 RealBadAngel and "unmature" players when given option to cheat, they do 06:58 VanessaE_ distribution* 06:58 khonkhortisan or making a mesecon machine where the difficulty is in designing it rather than getting resources 06:58 RealBadAngel yes, exactly 06:58 RealBadAngel test somethin on creative? alrite 06:58 RealBadAngel but then you go to adventure 06:58 RealBadAngel dig for resources 06:58 RealBadAngel build it 06:59 RealBadAngel develop your world 06:59 RealBadAngel no free chips 07:00 RealBadAngel you were run out of copper? dig it 07:01 RealBadAngel all kinds of cheats ruin the gameplay 07:01 VanessaE_ idea: if the user stores lava in a tank, they have only a short time to use it (maybe 7 game days) before it hardens inside the tank, rendering the tank useless 07:01 RealBadAngel and imho, shall be completely disabled in normal gameplay, no matter what 07:02 khonkhortisan then you need controlled amounts of dynamite to clear the concrete mixer truck 07:02 RealBadAngel no fly, no speed, no creative 07:02 khonkhortisan no teleporters? no cars? 07:02 VanessaE_ khonkhortisan: no, I believe they went quite uncontrolled with that ;D 07:03 RealBadAngel why? u can build them 07:03 RealBadAngel i said no cheats 07:03 RealBadAngel for that we can still have creative mode 07:03 khonkhortisan Even if worldedit was capable of copying node metadata, on_construct would wipe it out anyway. 07:04 VanessaE_ khonkhortisan: remember, recreate the situation, replicate the results, then add LOTS of explosives for a big boom :-) 07:04 RealBadAngel take meta, copy it to table 07:04 RealBadAngel place node 07:04 RealBadAngel reconstruct meta 07:04 RealBadAngel QED 07:05 RealBadAngel same is for every kind of node, even uCs 07:07 RealBadAngel i do copy inventories etc 07:07 RealBadAngel all the meta stored in a node 07:07 RealBadAngel i need such ways for networked chests 07:17 VanessaE_ zzz 07:24 RealBadAngel im gonna be afk 07:24 VanessaE_ doing what? :-) 07:25 RealBadAngel cleanin 07:25 RealBadAngel we gonna have IRS control later today 07:25 VanessaE_ just kidding anyway :-) 07:25 RealBadAngel need to clean mess made by our workers 07:27 RealBadAngel its pointless anyway, but better do that 07:29 VanessaE_ bbl, time to try to sleep 08:32 RealBadAngel made a break, went for nearby apple tree 08:32 RealBadAngel circa 20kg of apples collected :) 08:33 RealBadAngel yummy 08:34 RealBadAngel now need to buy sugar, some spices 08:34 RealBadAngel and will make apple jam 08:35 RealBadAngel lol, will craft it hehehe 08:38 jin_xi cool 08:39 izua you should buy hair 08:39 izua and mash it 08:39 izua and layer apple mush / hair / apple mush / hair 08:39 izua press the juice out of the hair 08:39 izua add yeasts 08:39 izua and make cider 08:40 jin_xi he's a beer man... 08:40 RealBadAngel heheh 08:41 RealBadAngel that is gonna be used for cakes, pancakes etc 08:41 RealBadAngel no alcohol at all ;) 08:41 cornernote skyblock is now seablock ready 08:41 cornernote you can have an ocean of water or lava 08:42 RealBadAngel i just posted same i told here 08:42 RealBadAngel disable fly in skyblock 08:42 cornernote basically an abm to turn flowing water into water if y<2 08:42 cornernote how ? 08:42 cornernote its a permission thing 08:42 cornernote you need permission to fly 08:42 RealBadAngel check if its set 08:42 RealBadAngel print message 08:42 RealBadAngel and loop 08:43 RealBadAngel so no go when its set 08:43 cornernote just dont fly 08:43 RealBadAngel no 08:43 RealBadAngel lusers are so, that havin an option to cheat 08:43 cornernote its open source, player can just change it to allow themselves to fly 08:43 RealBadAngel they will use it 08:44 RealBadAngel and then will say, nah, it was easy 08:44 RealBadAngel look 08:44 RealBadAngel ive made once diablo 2 item generator 08:45 RealBadAngel was able to do ANY stuff 08:45 cornernote i know what you mean 08:45 RealBadAngel before whole students hostel was playin all the time 08:45 cornernote cheats make it "seem" more fun at the time, but you lose interest in the game quickly 08:45 RealBadAngel folks were excited when found somethin new 08:45 RealBadAngel after i made my shit 08:45 RealBadAngel 1 week, diablo 2 was gone 08:45 cornernote but if i make it so they cant fly, they will just change the code 08:46 RealBadAngel no one wanted to play it anymore 08:46 RealBadAngel it just lost its charm 08:46 RealBadAngel make it hard to switch 08:47 RealBadAngel most of players will fail then 08:47 RealBadAngel if some1 will be able to bypass your check 08:47 cornernote and fast is awesome 08:47 RealBadAngel it means hes almost or already a modder 08:48 cornernote ok, i'll put it in 08:48 cornernote do u have the code ? or i gotta do it myself? =) 08:48 RealBadAngel make abm on starting block 08:49 RealBadAngel look for creative 08:49 cornernote ok, i'll tell you what... 08:49 RealBadAngel this way it shall work from start 08:49 cornernote i'll make a no_fly mod, and include it in seablock 08:50 cornernote but i dont think it should be part of skyblock to prevent assigning permissions 08:50 RealBadAngel even when some1 will change it when reloaded 08:50 RealBadAngel abm will take care of it 08:50 cornernote on_step of player 08:50 cornernote do a 5 second check 08:50 RealBadAngel enough 08:51 cornernote even with 100 players will be almost 0 load 08:51 RealBadAngel single check line 08:51 RealBadAngel once creative detected loop the game and stop it 08:52 RealBadAngel i said abm because of 1 thing 08:52 RealBadAngel you can loop it 08:52 RealBadAngel and the whole engine will work 08:53 RealBadAngel but you will be able to print warnin screen and keep it 08:55 RealBadAngel hehe 08:56 RealBadAngel i just found a good way to use inf-loopin abms :) 08:56 RealBadAngel i will implement same thing in technic mod 08:57 whirm hi everyone 08:57 RealBadAngel so no more switchin modes 08:57 cornernote how about fast ? 08:57 cornernote u really think i should disable that ? 08:57 RealBadAngel yes 08:57 cornernote i think fast mode is cool, and not a cheat 08:58 cornernote it helps you get places 08:58 RealBadAngel your game is hardcore for christ sake 08:58 RealBadAngel dont look for ways to make it a piece of cake 08:58 cornernote disabled these: teleport, settime, bring, ban, rollback, server, fly, privs, give 08:58 RealBadAngel it will lost all its charm 08:58 cornernote im not convinced about fast 08:59 RealBadAngel hmmmm 08:59 RealBadAngel can stay 08:59 RealBadAngel all others: out ouf window 08:59 cy1 RealBadAngel: yeah hard core means walking everywhere slowly. oh wait 08:59 RealBadAngel no fly, no give, no shit 09:00 RealBadAngel then it will be fun 09:00 cy1 yeah give them multinode it's better than give. 09:00 cy1 :T 09:00 RealBadAngel check for this also 09:01 cy1 /replace air 09:01 RealBadAngel shit found / no go 09:01 cy1 /with fire 09:01 cy1 /doit 09:01 cy1 oh also 09:02 cy1 /set disable_anticheat true 09:02 cy1 that makes the game so much better 09:02 RealBadAngel too easy 09:02 cy1 yeah, because the server isn't griefing everyone 09:02 RealBadAngel it has to be hardcoded imho 09:03 RealBadAngel showin lusers a door 09:03 RealBadAngel it means they will open it 09:03 RealBadAngel no matter what 09:03 cy1 we all know hardcore players like to sit there and play w/ their belly button while the server tries to duplicate their last 200 moves at about 1 move per second. 09:04 cy1 because convenience just isn't any fun you know 09:04 cy1 war is peace 09:04 RealBadAngel i played single world 09:04 RealBadAngel for a year or somethin 09:04 RealBadAngel made such creation you wouldnt believe 09:05 cy1 eh, not so great if you can't share it though... 09:05 RealBadAngel on a stupid tree farm i worked for almost a month 09:05 RealBadAngel to create control logic for it 09:05 RealBadAngel and that was fun 09:05 RealBadAngel with minetest i could be able to share it 09:06 RealBadAngel just invite 09:06 cy1 ah, yeh... 09:06 cy1 be sure to save a backup ofc 09:07 RealBadAngel now we all here makin tools to allow us to create everythin 09:07 cy1 the more the better! 09:07 RealBadAngel yes 09:07 RealBadAngel how celeron pointed that? 09:07 RealBadAngel release API 09:08 RealBadAngel and watch content explode 09:08 cy1 ? 09:10 RealBadAngel with all folks doin their mods 09:10 RealBadAngel game changes everyday 09:12 cornernote seems i cant take fly away from singleplayer 09:12 cornernote it just doesnt seem to save 09:12 cornernote minetest.set_player_privs(player:get_player_name(), privs) 09:13 RealBadAngel wait 09:13 RealBadAngel can you check this variable in game? 09:14 cornernote yes 09:14 cornernote local privs = minetest.get_player_privs(player:get_player_name()) 09:14 RealBadAngel ok 09:14 cornernote if privs["fly"] then privs["fly"] = false end 09:14 cornernote let me pastebin 09:14 RealBadAngel do you have startin, no removable block? 09:14 RealBadAngel *non 09:14 cy1 RealBadAngel: the code is open source, just make it do what you want? what's that about an API? 09:14 cornernote http://pastebin.com/WCZrpi4U 09:15 RealBadAngel ok you can check them 09:15 RealBadAngel so make abm checkin them 09:15 cornernote it dumps the 1st print, as expected with fly 09:15 RealBadAngel once detected a change 09:15 cornernote then the next, it has fly=false (as expected) 09:15 RealBadAngel open dialog formspec 09:15 cornernote but then on the next loop.. the 1st one still has fly 09:15 cornernote like it didnt save 09:16 RealBadAngel without possibility to close it 09:16 cornernote i checked EVERY mod i have collected... nobody has ever used set_player_privs() in any of them 09:16 RealBadAngel make "you hacker you" on the whole screen 09:16 cornernote this code is in an abm 09:16 cornernote lol 09:16 cornernote no 09:17 RealBadAngel yes 09:17 RealBadAngel loop abm 09:17 cornernote u make it, i'll consider it 09:17 RealBadAngel dont let it return 09:17 cy1 or just take away interact and who cares :p 09:17 cornernote if u cant close it, you have to kill the client to exit 09:17 cornernote thats not very eligant 09:17 RealBadAngel no 09:17 RealBadAngel game will work 09:18 RealBadAngel abms just will be stopped 09:18 cy1 abms are server side 09:18 RealBadAngel but the "you hacker you" wont be able to play 09:19 RealBadAngel with a formspec all the time in front 09:19 cornernote its fun with sea or lava 09:19 cornernote with sea, you can put your lava on water level+2, and it will make a stone island 09:21 cornernote cy1, problem is, i cant 09:22 cornernote set_player_privs() seems to not work 09:22 cy1 huh, that is a problem 09:23 cornernote for singleplayer 09:24 cornernote no, for any 09:24 cornernote but i like that idea 09:24 cornernote allow fly, but set interact=false 09:29 RealBadAngel damn 09:29 RealBadAngel i made it and he hes gone ;) 09:34 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/pCPsb6w7 10:00 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/LxMu6v1R 10:00 RealBadAngel modified the idea a bit 10:00 RealBadAngel now it shall be bullet proof 10:01 cy1 I AM BULLET PROOF 10:01 RealBadAngel bang 10:01 * RealBadAngel is collectin leftovers 10:02 cy1 ppl keep leavin their saps just layin there 10:03 RealBadAngel items dropped shall have TTL 10:03 RealBadAngel after it - removed 10:03 cy1 no it's fine I could clean them up 10:03 RealBadAngel not fine really 10:04 RealBadAngel on a server its a big problem 10:04 RealBadAngel lotsa shit foatin around 10:05 RealBadAngel with ttl like a few minutes all will be cleaned by itself 10:06 RealBadAngel item drop starts a timer 10:06 RealBadAngel after 5 minutes removes the drop 10:06 RealBadAngel nice and easy 10:14 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:22 PilzAdam :-( 10:37 RealBadAngel hi Adam 10:37 PilzAdam hi RealBadAngel 10:38 RealBadAngel tested 10:39 PilzAdam what? 10:39 RealBadAngel works ok. when fly or such shit enabled 10:39 RealBadAngel game holds 10:39 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/LxMu6v1R 10:40 RealBadAngel not literally the pasted stuff, but you have an idea 10:42 RealBadAngel cornernote can hang this onto starting block 10:42 RealBadAngel lookin for solution for me 11:14 NekoGloop Hello 11:14 PilzAdam hi 11:14 NekoGloop Whatcha up to? 11:15 PilzAdam coding 11:15 NekoGloop I see 11:16 NekoGloop What are you coding? 11:16 PilzAdam ambience mod: splash 11:16 NekoGloop I see 11:16 PilzAdam and you? 11:16 NekoGloop Just here, have to go in a bit 11:23 bas080 Ones the chess mod is fixed who wants to have a competition 11:24 PilzAdam im not good at chess 11:24 RealBadAngel i like playin it 11:25 RealBadAngel improved detection routine a bit 11:25 RealBadAngel i will put this into my mod too 11:26 VanessaE_ morning all 11:26 RealBadAngel hi 11:26 RealBadAngel slept well? 11:26 PilzAdam morning VanessaE_ 11:26 VanessaE_ oh yes 11:27 RealBadAngel after a discussion with cornernote we came to this: 11:27 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/gF7Lk8e3 11:27 VanessaE_ saw that 11:27 RealBadAngel and? 11:27 RealBadAngel agree? 11:28 VanessaE_ dunno, I never played with game settings in a mod :-) however the concept relative to skyblock sounds good 11:28 RealBadAngel creative shall be for testin/free ride 11:28 RealBadAngel other modes shall be played with no cheats 11:28 RealBadAngel imho 11:28 bas080 Ones chess mod is done i'm planning on having a chess competition on a online server. Anyone up for it? If so where should i make a forum thread for participators? 11:29 RealBadAngel i i i 11:29 RealBadAngel sign me 11:30 RealBadAngel i do love playin chess 11:33 RealBadAngel @vanessa: with flood fill i do have a battle here 11:33 RealBadAngel winner is not yet known 11:35 VanessaE_ well 11:36 bas080 Would be nice to have a library or some kind of scenery where the competition is played in. Maybe a castle or cathedral. 11:36 VanessaE_ if all else fails, you can just randomly place water nodes at outlet Y and below where there's only air and hope for the best :-) 11:38 RealBadAngel i decided that volume built by a player shall be filled 11:39 RealBadAngel so if some1 will want to make a swimmin pool 11:39 RealBadAngel our pump will have to fill it up 11:40 RealBadAngel with no glitches 11:43 RealBadAngel ha got an idea 11:43 RealBadAngel i will temporary put somethin other 11:43 VanessaE_ uh oh 11:44 RealBadAngel like bricks for example 11:44 VanessaE_ this oughta be good ;) 11:45 RealBadAngel yeah lets pump the bricks then :) 11:46 RealBadAngel hahahahaha 11:46 RealBadAngel funny indeed 11:46 VanessaE_ lemme see a video or something for crying out loud :-) 11:46 VanessaE_ I'm dying here to see what you've done now :-) 11:47 RealBadAngel but i can c exatcly where output were placed, and where not 11:47 PilzAdam R.I.P. VanessaE_ 11:47 RealBadAngel lol 11:47 VanessaE_ I said dying, not dead 11:47 VanessaE_ morning Trollinou ;-) 11:47 Calinou hi 11:47 RealBadAngel its the word almost missin here ;) 11:47 VanessaE_ RealBadAngel: make. a. video. ! 11:47 VanessaE_ :) 11:48 PilzAdam HI Calinou 11:48 RealBadAngel b.e.t.t.e.r 11:48 RealBadAngel code is almost finished 11:48 RealBadAngel i will release it today 11:48 bas080 :) yey 11:49 RealBadAngel now im goin to run a pump with a sea 11:49 RealBadAngel and wait a few hours for result 11:49 RealBadAngel if it will pass the sea test 11:49 RealBadAngel release it 11:51 RealBadAngel btw Vanessa, its really great work you have done 11:51 VanessaE_ thanks :-) 11:51 RealBadAngel im using them and love them 11:51 RealBadAngel amazing simply 11:52 RealBadAngel even minecraft has no such beatutiful pipes 11:52 VanessaE_ I wonder if I should add a second variety of pipes - thin (ish) copper waterlines for low-pressure stuff 11:52 RealBadAngel hmmm 11:53 RealBadAngel for sake of cpu load we dont look at pressure 11:53 VanessaE_ well, low water flow rate anyhow 11:53 RealBadAngel we r just checkin integrity of circuit 11:53 RealBadAngel and ends 11:53 VanessaE_ like 1/10 of what the steel pipes do, for cheaper material 11:54 RealBadAngel ah 11:54 RealBadAngel there is already chromium there 11:54 VanessaE_ (would require the moreores mod obviouslt) 11:54 RealBadAngel you have to smelt it down together with steel 11:54 RealBadAngel in ratio 4:1 11:54 VanessaE_ naw 11:55 RealBadAngel to get stainless steel 11:55 VanessaE_ let's keep it easier 11:55 RealBadAngel its technic 11:55 VanessaE_ well remember I want these pipes to be useable separately too 11:55 RealBadAngel yeah 11:55 VanessaE_ I think it's enough to just require twice-smelted steel 11:56 VanessaE_ iron -> steel -> hardened steel 11:56 VanessaE_ or so 11:56 RealBadAngel booooo 11:56 RealBadAngel i already made that 11:57 VanessaE_ ok then let's include some kind of metallurgy furnace in with pipes? 11:57 RealBadAngel i made the alloy furnace too 11:57 VanessaE_ right 11:57 RealBadAngel thats what im sayin 11:57 VanessaE_ so include it with pipes and make sure it can produce the same kind of outputs as the one in technic = compatible 11:58 VanessaE_ ok 11:58 RealBadAngel easy 11:58 VanessaE_ so the user combines steel + what else in the furnace? 11:58 RealBadAngel as i made dep for pipeworks 11:58 RealBadAngel then pipeworks will need technic 11:58 VanessaE_ nooooooo 11:58 VanessaE_ no dependencies 11:59 RealBadAngel i have to 11:59 VanessaE_ why? 11:59 RealBadAngel how to define a workin machine with no background? 11:59 VanessaE_ I don't want this mod to depend on anything else - remember it's supposed to be a framework around which someone (hi sfan5 !) can build another mod 11:59 RealBadAngel youre on my list 12:00 RealBadAngel got your point 12:00 sfan5 i like (hi VanessaE_ !) potatoes 12:00 RealBadAngel i will do so 12:00 VanessaE_ haha 12:00 RealBadAngel hmmmm 12:01 RealBadAngel but will have to override pump node definition 12:01 RealBadAngel cant just add somethin to your node 12:02 VanessaE_ we're only talking about the metal the pipe is made of here 12:02 VanessaE_ and the generic pumping action of course 12:03 RealBadAngel bout the crafting: technic already provides sources and craftin recipes to make all the stuff 12:03 RealBadAngel within technic mod 12:03 VanessaE_ mmmh 12:04 VanessaE_ recipes, pumping action, etc need to be self-contained 12:04 RealBadAngel just the pump 12:04 VanessaE_ someone needs to be able to take this mod and build something new around it without depending on technic 12:04 RealBadAngel since it has to be abm driven 12:05 RealBadAngel i cant make it independent 12:05 RealBadAngel another way 12:05 RealBadAngel i can make it on its own 12:05 RealBadAngel punchable just 12:06 RealBadAngel or make it a power machine 12:06 VanessaE_ it's possible to do both you know 12:06 RealBadAngel no 12:06 VanessaE_ remember I said I was going to make three pumps per axis instead of the current two 12:07 RealBadAngel enter a world and encounter one powered and 2nd not 12:07 VanessaE_ off but no power, on but no power, on with power 12:08 RealBadAngel i will do that this way 12:08 RealBadAngel all pipeworks will stay intact 12:08 RealBadAngel no changes 12:09 RealBadAngel so all could use it as a framework 12:09 RealBadAngel for oil whatever 12:09 VanessaE_ *nod* 12:09 RealBadAngel my part will be single lua 12:09 bas080 i like frameworks... they are good for others creative inputs 12:09 RealBadAngel and will require power to run 12:10 RealBadAngel if some1 decide to use it 12:10 VanessaE_ ok 12:10 RealBadAngel will just have to take my part 12:10 RealBadAngel and change type of liquid 12:11 RealBadAngel or drop the power need 12:11 RealBadAngel if wanted 12:11 RealBadAngel is that plan ok with you? 12:15 RealBadAngel @bas80: well it look like im the first framework user :) 12:15 PilzAdam im back 12:15 VanessaE_ yeah 12:15 VanessaE_ as long as it's very easy to change the fluid type and power requirement 12:15 VanessaE_ wb PilzAdam 12:16 RealBadAngel im not changin anythin in your code vanessa 12:16 RealBadAngel just usin it 12:16 VanessaE_ I mean in your code :-) 12:16 RealBadAngel heh the pump 12:16 PilzAdam lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4iucctrZbU 12:17 RealBadAngel shall i make it outta technic? 12:17 VanessaE_ the pump should stay in pipeworks 12:17 RealBadAngel hard decison ;) 12:17 VanessaE_ let's make it simple enough - punch to turn on/off, and the next mod author can decide if he or she wants it to require a power source 12:17 RealBadAngel ok 12:17 RealBadAngel it will 12:19 RealBadAngel i will make it able to pump anythin 12:19 Calinou that's what she said 12:19 RealBadAngel user defined 12:19 VanessaE_ even bricks? ;) 12:20 RealBadAngel hehehe 12:20 RealBadAngel bricks were just for testing 12:20 RealBadAngel i wasnt able to see whats flowin and whats source 12:20 VanessaE_ right 12:20 RealBadAngel bricks just filled the volume 12:22 RealBadAngel btw 12:22 RealBadAngel i will do that but we need to make a deal 12:22 VanessaE_ ? 12:22 RealBadAngel tubes 12:22 VanessaE_ pneumatic tubes? 12:22 RealBadAngel yup 12:23 VanessaE_ simple enough, make the pipes all pure white, get rid of the flanges, use the water alpha setting to force them to be translucent 12:23 VanessaE_ make such a mod an integral part of technic 12:23 RealBadAngel same rules, just different model 12:23 RealBadAngel and yes 12:24 RealBadAngel this has to be an integral part 12:24 RealBadAngel ALL of the stuff will use it 12:24 VanessaE_ change the model for intake/outlet grates to something like you see at a bank for the thing you put the tube into at the drive throiugh :-) 12:24 VanessaE_ -i 12:24 RealBadAngel dont need grates 12:25 VanessaE_ ohok 12:25 RealBadAngel nor the valwes or pumps 12:25 VanessaE_ about the pumpt.. 12:25 VanessaE_ about the pumps.. 12:25 RealBadAngel just the tubes that connects to nodes that has inv 12:25 VanessaE_ I need to mark the inlet/outlet fittings I suppose 12:26 RealBadAngel dont need to 12:26 RealBadAngel facedir is enough 12:26 RealBadAngel side with button and the light 12:26 VanessaE_ for the less-sharp users out there I mean 12:27 RealBadAngel which doesnt know which hand is the right and which is left one? 12:27 VanessaE_ yes :-) 12:27 RealBadAngel lol 12:28 RealBadAngel some1 plz make iq checkin loader routine 12:29 RealBadAngel shit 12:29 RealBadAngel not again 12:29 Isabella run... 12:29 jin_xi hey, i ALWAYS confuse my rights and lefts :( 12:30 Isabella does anyone know if UbuntuNerd was on lately (known as madchicken13) 12:30 PilzAdam hi Isabella 12:30 Isabella hi pilz 12:30 Isabella adam sorry 12:30 PilzAdam adam not pilz 12:30 Isabella i know 12:30 bas080 pilz is beer? 12:30 PilzAdam pilz is mushroom 12:30 Isabella hahaha 12:31 bas080 paddestoel 12:31 bas080 Isabella are you on the forum? 12:31 PilzAdam and adam is hebrew for human 12:31 Isabella which one 12:31 PilzAdam or its a common name 12:31 bas080 http://minetest.net/forum 12:32 Isabella what is that 12:32 VanessaE_ that is the minetest forums 12:32 VanessaE_ where most of the community's activity is centered 12:32 * PilzAdam too 12:33 Isabella what do you do on it 12:33 PilzAdam post mods 12:33 bas080 I share ideas and mods 12:33 VanessaE_ exchange messages, publish code, talk, etc 12:33 Calinou general disucssion, report bugs and problems, download and create mods, download and create texture packs, work on the engine 12:33 bas080 ignore noobs :P 12:33 Calinou basically, you do what the forum sections are named 12:34 Isabella wow! 12:34 VanessaE_ same sort of thing that goes on in any internet forum, tailored to the needs of our community. 12:34 VanessaE_ (except maybe compared to /b/ ) 12:35 Calinou heh, it's moderated at least :p 12:35 VanessaE_ yup 12:35 Calinou libreoffice 3.6 Y U NO WORK 12:35 * Calinou will reinstall libreoffice 3.5.6 12:36 Calinou installed it on a mac computer this morning; 3.6 didn't work, 3.5.6 did 12:36 Calinou now on this windows computer the same thing happens 12:36 * PilzAdam uses kubuntu and it works :-) 12:36 Calinou linus torvalds must be the guy who made libreoffice; new releases never work 12:36 whirm it's working here on debian 12:37 Calinou debian sid in my virtualbox; libreoffice works there :) 12:38 thexyz then why do you blame libreoffice for this? 12:38 Calinou sid is supposed to be unstable, yet LO works, unlike windows which is supposed to be "stable" 12:38 thexyz windows? stable? 12:38 Calinou I put quotes for a reason obviously 12:38 Calinou who said it was stable :P 12:38 RealBadAngel Isabella: hi there sweetie, howdy? 12:38 Calinou inb4 "are you female" 12:38 Calinou let me bet 40 XonoCoins that someone will say this 12:38 Isabella meÉ 12:39 thexyz blame windows for that 12:39 Isabella ? 12:39 Isabella i am fine!!! 12:39 RealBadAngel sure? 12:40 Isabella yep 12:40 PilzAdam Isabella, are you still in my hell? 12:41 RealBadAngel depends 12:41 RealBadAngel on that lollipops do grow there 12:41 Isabella hahaha 12:41 PilzAdam burning lollipops 12:42 PilzAdam they are so sweet that you will die 12:42 Isabella hahahaha 12:42 RealBadAngel lick and die 12:42 RealBadAngel how sweet 12:42 PilzAdam but u cant die in hell 12:42 PilzAdam you will respawn 12:42 Isabella because ur already dead ;) 12:43 RealBadAngel holly shit, unlimited lickin machine just invented ;) 12:43 PilzAdam nope, theres no static respawn point ;-) 12:43 Isabella hahaha 12:44 RealBadAngel can code it, no problemo 12:44 PilzAdam you have to build everything from the beginning 12:44 PilzAdam and randomly your blocks and inventory dissapears 12:44 PilzAdam and there is a bluescreen every 3 min. 12:45 PilzAdam here the textures: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=21 12:46 VanessaE_ oy that's an oldie 12:47 PilzAdam i found it randomly 12:47 PilzAdam i dont realy use it :-) 12:48 RealBadAngel Isabella: but still you have to complain. some1 really told me that youre Notch in fact. :( 12:48 PilzAdam YAY JAVA!!!! 12:48 Isabella hahaha i pretened to then i got put as a guest on this 12:48 Isabella I HATE JAVA!!!! 12:48 PilzAdam :-( 12:48 Isabella its so slow :( 12:49 Isabella its not for my pc 12:49 PilzAdam not on a intel core i7 12:49 PilzAdam 1st generation 12:49 Isabella ow 12:49 RealBadAngel notch hatin java? how strange.... 12:50 PilzAdam … 12:50 bas080 RealBadAngel, You really think notch drops by ones in a while? 12:50 bas080 I don't think he bothers with programming anymore. He's to rich to even bother 12:51 RealBadAngel i dont think 12:51 RealBadAngel Isabella is Notch 12:51 Isabella no im not!! :D 12:51 RealBadAngel everyone knows that 12:51 PilzAdam shes in hell.... 12:52 PilzAdam or he…… 12:52 Isabella with lollipops 12:52 RealBadAngel burning 12:53 bas080 Maybe your notch RealBadAngel! 12:54 bas080 You mentioned it first! 12:54 bas080 :P 12:54 Isabella yeah :D 12:54 * PilzAdam puts RealBadAngel in hell 12:54 Calinou not on a intel core i7 12:54 Calinou lol true 12:54 Calinou minecraft 600FPS far+fancy 12:55 Isabella yeah 12:55 PilzAdam i dont have MC 12:55 Calinou minetest 90FPS view distance 128 (roughly equivalent to far) 12:55 Isabella yay 12:55 PilzAdam MT 200 FPS 12:55 bas080 i have minecraft on xbox. it's lame-ish. better rendering though... frames not so much 12:56 Calinou xbox itself sucsk 12:56 Calinou any console does actually 12:56 Calinou , but still 12:57 Basstard` Calinou: How is that ? 12:58 Calinou because you can't make open source games for consoles (legally) 12:58 Calinou damn you apt 12:58 Calinou *need to save bandwidth* *installs icedove* *19mb downloading, no confirmation* 12:58 Basstard` Calinou: Doesn't mean that any console sucks. You can make a console with fully free software. 12:58 Calinou just because there's no dependancy 12:58 Calinou Basstard`, not legally 12:58 Basstard` Calinou: Uh, yes. 12:58 Calinou what console? 12:58 PilzAdam Battlefield 3 on XBox 360 <3 12:58 Calinou "computer" doesn't count 12:58 Basstard` Calinou: I said that you can make a console with fully free software. 12:59 Basstard` Calinou: And a console is a computer. 12:59 PilzAdam owned 13:10 Calinou Basstard`, ik 13:10 Calinou I was talking about /consoles/, purely, things that you don't use for general-purpose computing (eg. browsing the web) 13:11 Calinou none of the three "mainstream" consoles require games to be verified/signed 13:11 Calinou erm I mean all of the three 13:11 VanessaE_ Calinou: some PS2 owners would disagree with you ;) 13:11 Calinou PS2 is dead since long time ago 13:11 VanessaE_ (re: general purpose computing) 13:11 Calinou it's not mainstream anymore 13:11 Calinou the sony dudes have removed the ability to install linux on a PS3 long time ago 13:18 Isabella whirm: hi 13:19 Calinou don't say hi to channel hoppers, lol 13:20 sir-king-lol-guy hello 13:20 Isabella sir!!!! 13:20 Isabella my friend!!! 13:20 VanessaE_ hi 13:20 Calinou lol 13:20 Calinou wtf is this guy 13:20 sir-king-lol-guy lolololololololololololololol 13:20 Isabella my best friend ;) nhis name is that for minetest 13:21 Isabella hahaha 13:21 sir-king-lol-guy hello 13:22 PilzAdam hi 13:22 sir-king-lol-guy who are u 13:22 * VanessaE_ is VanessaE. 13:22 * sir-king-lol-guy is here 13:22 * PilzAdam is PilzAdam 13:22 RealBadAngel oh lol 13:22 bas080 derp derp 13:22 * Isabella syas wow 13:23 Isabella says 13:23 PilzAdam Isabella cant write 13:23 PilzAdam or type 13:23 * Isabella says its true 13:23 RealBadAngel we had some sex there obviusly. entities multiplied. 13:23 bas080 herpederpedur 13:23 Calinou /clearobjects 13:23 Calinou there, no more kids 13:24 PilzAdam Isabella, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia 13:24 Isabella ... :D 13:24 Calinou its > it's in most cases ._. 13:24 sir-king-lol-guy talk to me 13:24 Isabella i dont have that, i like to type fast and then it messes up sometimes 13:25 PilzAdam everyone says that ..... 13:25 PilzAdam the first step is to accept that 13:25 Isabella but its true 13:25 bas080 are you sure you don't because most people are not aware of mental abnormalities 13:25 PilzAdam :-) 13:26 Isabella hahaha no 13:26 whirm1 it can be either dyslexia or cats 13:26 Isabella yes once this morning 13:26 Calinou OMG a channel hopper talks 13:26 VanessaE_ whirm1: in my house most anything can easily be blamed on both ;-) 13:27 whirm1 XD 13:27 Isabella hhahahahaha 13:29 sir-king-lol-guy romatic scene is aproching!!! 13:30 PilzAdam the nick is too short for PilzAdam_The_Devil 13:35 VanessaE_ hey cornernote. 13:35 VanessaE_ and others. 13:35 * PilzAdam wants to know if hes "others" 13:35 cornernote hey 13:35 Isabella hi 13:35 VanessaE_ no because you're already here ;) 13:35 Isabella :P i love saying this... 13:35 Isabella whoevers here say aye 13:35 Isabella aye 13:36 PilzAdam aye 13:36 Isabella yay 13:36 sir-king-lol-guy aiy 13:36 bas080 aye wave 13:36 sir-king-lol-guy aye 13:36 bas080 aye 13:36 VanessaE_ cornernote: perhaps you should state (in -dev) your purpose of those questions. 13:36 VanessaE_ nay. 13:36 VanessaE_ North Carolina says 'nay'. 13:36 sir-king-lol-guy cool justin beiber is on the chat 13:37 Isabella brb 13:38 bas080 Netherlands says "Bier en tieten"! 13:38 whirm just out of curiosity, what's the average age on this chan? 13:38 PilzAdam Germany says: "ich bin ein Berliner!" 13:38 VanessaE_ whirm: mentally or chronologically? 13:38 Basstard` whirm: Currently or in general? 13:39 whirm the mental one is quite clear XDDDD 13:39 VanessaE_ mentally I'd say around 15ish. ;-) chronologically about 25 or so 13:39 PilzAdam im 17 13:39 sir-king-lol-guy aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its basstard 13:39 PilzAdam but mentally: [insert steven hawkings age here] 13:40 whirm mine is variable 13:40 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: I think he's in his 50's 13:41 VanessaE_ no, strike that. he's 70. 13:41 bas080 I was thinking mid life crisis age 13:41 VanessaE_ jeez 13:41 whirm my AC can't keep up with the heat wave we have here :( 13:41 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking 13:42 bas080 Atleast you have one. Why not go swimming? 13:42 bas080 whirm 13:42 whirm bas080: because I'm working :D 13:42 bas080 oyeah, some people do that, how's that working for you? 13:43 Basstard` Work is so passé. 13:43 PilzAdam are you french? 13:43 Basstard` Oui 13:43 * PilzAdam facepalms 13:44 bas080 hehehe 13:44 bas080 derpederpederp 13:44 whirm bas080: hot 13:44 whirm not as hot as me, but quite hot whatsoever 13:45 bas080 are you satisfied with the work you do? 13:45 whirm I'm programming shirtless 13:45 bas080 whirm, i'll join you 13:45 bas080 ***bas080 takes of shirt 13:45 whirm and I'm thinking to sit on the AC unit while I code 13:45 * PilzAdam throws money at bas080 13:46 whirm bas080: not much with this project, but someone has to do it 13:46 * whirm puts shirt back 13:46 PilzAdam :-( 13:46 bas080 ***bas080 is collecting it.... moneyzzz!!! 13:46 PilzAdam its 1$ 13:46 Isabella whirm... 13:47 whirm Isabella: speak 13:47 bas080 PilzAdam, Huh? you are part of eu right? euros!!! 13:47 bas080 atleast 5 euro! 13:47 Isabella i am talking 13:47 bas080 or your throwing ccoins 13:47 PilzAdam yes but 1$ is less then 1€ 13:47 whirm Isabella: oh, hai 13:47 whirm you can't pick 0.8€ coins 13:48 whirm they don't exist 13:48 bas080 true 13:48 Isabella why was your shirt, you said *whirm puts shirt back????? 13:48 whirm because of several reasons 13:48 PilzAdam ***bas080 takes of shirt 13:49 whirm the most important of them is that I'm sweating quite a lot 13:49 Isabella adam! 13:49 Isabella oh 13:49 PilzAdam im just quoting 13:49 Isabella yea right 13:49 whirm the other one is so I can earn money by coding and sexcamming at the same time 13:50 PilzAdam good idea 13:50 bas080 whirm, how much do they pay you for taking it off? 13:50 Isabella cool 13:50 whirm maybe the word would be lolcamming, becuause it's what people will do if they see me with no shirt but as long as they pay 13:51 PilzAdam https://ixquick.de/do/search 13:51 PilzAdam .-( 13:51 whirm bas080: oh, no, they pay me to put it back on 13:52 bas080 If it respects privacy then why can i find facebook? 13:52 bas080 whirm, :P 13:52 Isabella :P 13:53 bas080 ***whirm just earned money 13:53 * whirm yays 13:53 bas080 another reason for whirm to put on shirt 13:53 whirm which? 13:54 PilzAdam the red one 13:55 whirm I have no red shirts 13:55 PilzAdam buy one 13:55 PilzAdam or join the firefighters 13:56 whirm here in spain they wear orange, it wouldn't be very useful 13:56 PilzAdam yes i see: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Feuerwehreinsatz%C3%BCbung.JPG&filetimestamp=20051216091929 13:56 whirm and half the fucking country is burning right now 13:56 PilzAdam but they have nice red cars (in germany) 13:57 whirm I'm more of a bike guy 13:57 PilzAdam http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:L%C3%B6schzug.jpg&filetimestamp=20051216022942 13:57 PilzAdam i love wikipedia!! 13:58 Isabella i saw that 13:59 whirm becuase there firemen truck photos in it? 13:59 PilzAdam nope 13:59 bas080 whirm, orange is a good color ;) ! 13:59 PilzAdam nope, again 14:00 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons is what made my photorealistic textures possible :-) ALL HAIL THE GREAT WIKI! ;-) 14:00 whirm bas080: I have an orange shirt, but it's to thick to use in summer 14:00 bas080 Where it to a footbal match when spain plays vs netherlands and scream goal when netherlands scored 14:00 PilzAdam VanessaE_, we germans dont say hail… 14:01 bas080 Wear* scores* 14:01 PilzAdam VanessaE_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute 14:02 * whirm doesn't like football 14:02 bas080 I'll learn it one day... 14:02 VanessaE_ I said hail, not heil. 14:02 PilzAdam its sounds equal in german 14:02 VanessaE_ no 14:02 bas080 i think also same meaning 14:02 VanessaE_ hail has a long 'a' as in wait or day. 14:02 VanessaE_ heil has a long 'i' as in might or fly. 14:02 PilzAdam in german it sounds equal 14:02 PilzAdam dont tell me about german 14:03 Basstard` VanessaE_: Your vowels are a bit screwed up. 14:03 VanessaE_ don't tell me about english :) 14:03 PilzAdam its sounds equal in german 14:03 PilzAdam i dont tell u about english 14:03 VanessaE_ if it "sounds equal" in german, you're pronoucing an english word wrong :-) 14:03 bas080 i am dutch we tried being neutral so i think i have the right to say who's right or not as most referees should be neutral. 14:04 PilzAdam so what? :-) 14:04 bas080 you are both wrong! 14:04 PilzAdam yay! 14:04 VanessaE_ ha! 14:04 Isabella stop yelling 14:04 VanessaE_ I am *never* wrong.. ;) 14:04 * PilzAdam yells 14:05 bas080 Isabelle, is it hurting your eyes? 14:05 Isabella -.- 14:05 Isabella no i dont like people yelling, manners!! 14:05 PilzAdam its fun 14:06 Isabella STOP!!!!!!!!! 14:06 PilzAdam now you are yelling 14:06 VanessaE_ Isabella: that isn't yelling... **THIS IS YELLING!!!!!!!!** 14:06 VanessaE_ :-) 14:06 Isabella I SSEE 14:06 Isabella see 14:07 Isabella **yell** 14:07 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelling 14:07 PilzAdam lol 14:07 Isabella lol 14:08 Isabella thats a church? 14:08 PilzAdam idk 14:08 VanessaE_ actually it is :-)\ 14:08 VanessaE_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelling_(vocalization) 14:08 VanessaE_ you want that one 14:08 Isabella yea 14:09 PilzAdam i had this before but it wanst that fun 14:10 PilzAdam *wasnt 14:11 whirm bas080: oh! are you dutch? 14:11 Isabella yay adam is bad at spelling 14:11 whirm bas080: I'm moving to holland in some 5 weeks! 14:11 bas080 whirm, yes i am... from where? 14:11 whirm spain 14:11 Basstard` Why? 14:11 PilzAdam Isabella, yes but im not american; im german; i am allowed to be bad in spelling 14:11 VanessaE_ ha! 14:12 Basstard` PilzAdam: No you are not. It's illegal in Germany. 14:12 bas080 whirm, demasiado calor ahi? 14:12 Isabella hahaha hey not nice pilz 14:12 Isabella (: 14:12 VanessaE_ damn krauts ruining our language ;) 14:12 PilzAdam your face is wrong way round 14:12 VanessaE_ I'm of German descent, I can make all the jokes I want ;) 14:12 whirm bas080: y demasiado español :) 14:13 whirm bas080: do you have spanish family? 14:13 Isabella hahahaha (: 14:13 bas080 whirm: pero eres espanol(a) 14:13 PilzAdam spain is in a financial crisis and germany has to help them 14:13 Isabella i guess 14:13 whirm bas080: si :) 14:14 bas080 ***PilzAdam should shut up about judging people and start judging corruption and greed of a feww 14:14 whirm PilzAdam: we would be better without help to say the truth, but as our politians are retarded and corrupt... 14:14 Basstard` whirm: Why moving to Netherlands? 14:15 whirm Basstard`: I like cheese 14:15 PilzAdam bas080 & whirm, we are all in the EU; we have to help each other 14:15 PilzAdam if we are in troubles you gonna help us 14:15 Basstard` PilzAdam: We are all on the same planet, we have to help each other. 14:15 whirm PilzAdam: yes but that's not help 14:16 bas080 Thank god no one here is nationalistic :P 14:16 PilzAdam +1 14:16 whirm if some corrupt bankers and politicians flush all the money from their banks 14:16 VanessaE_ +1 14:16 whirm and then ask for more money 14:16 Basstard` Money is so passé. 14:16 whirm instead of closing the banks 14:17 PilzAdam its strange 14:17 whirm and the spanish government accepts money from other corrupt politicians/bankers 14:17 whirm to give it to the banks and abra cadabra, now the country is in debt instead of the banks 14:17 whirm wtf 14:18 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Berlin 14:18 bas080 i know whirm... and there is nothing you or we can do about that... they are stealing the econmic freedoms of millions but there are many other freedoms worth fighting for. 14:18 whirm bas080: I'm moving to the netherlands because of this in part :) 14:19 bas080 i met many spanish students at my school in Amsterdam. They are very polite and co-operative. 14:19 bas080 Are you studying too? 14:20 whirm bas080: that's because they are educated people :) 14:21 whirm bas080: nope, I own a small company here in spain, but I'm moving to work at a dutch university 14:22 whirm bas080: a big part of spanish are not so smart and uneducated 14:22 PilzAdam a big part of all people all other the world are not smart 14:22 bas080 whirm, it's a big country! 14:23 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_intelligence 14:24 bas080 what is smart? PilzAdam, you say that dumb people are abundant so there are doing something right :P 14:25 VanessaE_ no, it just means their *parents* are :-) 14:25 VanessaE_ *someone* has to be giving birth to all the idiots out there 14:25 whirm PilzAdam: yes, but you can go to switzerland, austria, germany, netherlands and even the typical french fries post attendant will be able to communicate with you in english 14:25 bas080 Kinda true. if pride doesn;t get in the way :P 14:25 Basstard` VanessaE_: You better stop doing that. 14:26 VanessaE_ why? 14:26 VanessaE_ can't handle logic? 14:26 VanessaE_ :_) 14:26 VanessaE_ :) 14:26 Basstard` VanessaE_: Do we want idiots out there? 14:26 whirm in spain they can't speak spanish properly XD 14:26 Edward_ what are idiots 14:26 PilzAdam the others 14:26 bas080 haha 14:26 Edward_ other whats 14:26 VanessaE_ Edward_: anyone who can't answer that question ;) 14:26 Edward_ what happenes 14:27 whirm but maybe I am biased because I'm burnt out, I don't know... 14:27 bas080 people without purpose. Casualties of society 14:27 PilzAdam ther are no idiots; jsut idiotic behavior 14:27 bas080 VanessaE, you cannot be aware of more then you are aware of. 14:27 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: I direct you to recent goings on in American politics. 14:28 VanessaE_ still think there are no true idiots? :-) 14:28 PilzAdam nope 14:28 whirm PilzAdam: oh, I could really show you some of those :) 14:28 bas080 mtv? 14:28 Edward_ what are IDIOTS!!! 14:28 VanessaE_ bas080: getting philosophical are we? 14:29 bas080 VanessaE, again! 14:29 Edward_ pilz send wiki 14:29 * VanessaE_ is reminded of the "things we know we know/don't know/etc" clip 14:29 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot 14:29 Basstard` How do we cure idiocy? 14:29 Edward_ thz adam 14:29 Edward_ thx 14:29 PilzAdam Edward_, i was looking for it before you told me 14:29 Edward_ i kniw 14:29 bas080 education and death sentences kidding about death sentences 14:29 Edward_ know 14:30 PilzAdam "California Penal Code Section 26 stated that "Idiots" were one of six types of people who are not capable of committing crimes." 14:31 PilzAdam im an idiot :-) 14:31 Edward_ idots, nickname ;) 14:31 whirm I once read somewhere a USA guy talking about USA idiots saying: "I'm not talking about genocide here, just remove all the warning labels and let the problem solve by itself" 14:31 VanessaE_ whirm: +1 14:31 Edward_ what if i told you i was Isabella 14:31 PilzAdam whirm, +1 14:31 VanessaE_ so many stupid ass warning labels 14:32 Edward_ hahahaha 14:32 whirm I like the one about not putting your cat in the microwave 14:32 VanessaE_ OH g*d think of this one, and it's true: imprint on the side of a gun, warning that it can cause INJURY OR DEATH! 14:32 PilzAdam Edward_, hmm you told me to send a wiki link 14:32 VanessaE_ on the side of a SHOTGUN. 14:32 Edward_ because i knew you liked wiki 14:32 PilzAdam Edward_, so i was wondering where you know it 14:32 bas080 re-introduce the arena, fight to the death! 14:32 whirm lol 14:32 Edward_ where is realbadangel 14:33 PilzAdam in the hell 14:33 VanessaE_ saw that warning a few days ago while looking at one for future purchase. I just about fell over laughing 14:33 PilzAdam because hes Notch 14:33 Edward_ oh yea i forgto 14:33 Edward_ forgot 14:33 PilzAdam yes you ARE Isabella: You cant type 14:34 Edward_ see (: 14:34 bas080 VanessaE, plz share the aware clip 14:34 VanessaE_ eh? 14:34 Edward_ your canadian? 14:34 bas080 is reminded of the "things we know we know/don't know/etc" clip 14:34 VanessaE_ OH 14:34 VanessaE_ sure, lemme find it 14:34 bas080 thnx :) 14:35 VanessaE_ Donald Rumsfled, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkUO8NpI84 14:35 VanessaE_ ca. Februaru 2002 14:35 VanessaE_ not the "current" stuff of course 14:36 VanessaE_ dunno what that last couple seconds is though 14:36 PilzAdam lol 14:37 VanessaE_ yes, this guy really did say this on US national television, and yes he really was US Secdef. :-) 14:37 Isabella I CAN Type 14:37 bas080 He is saying there is a plathform for the thruth. There is no such thing... try googling the truth i promise you will find something, but you will not find the truth! 14:37 Isabella argggh 14:37 RealBadAngel uh oh 14:37 RealBadAngel you can type? 14:38 PilzAdam Isabella, your kidding 14:38 RealBadAngel like really? 14:38 Isabella ... 14:38 bas080 http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right.html 14:38 RealBadAngel prove it 14:39 Isabella i meant: I can ttype 14:39 Isabella can t 14:39 Isabella ... 14:41 Isabella whoevers here say aye 14:41 Isabella aye 14:41 PilzAdam aye 14:41 bas080 derp 14:41 Isabella whats derp mean! 14:42 Isabella no pilz no wiki 14:42 bas080 derpederp derpuh derpa 14:42 Isabella bas080 is from derpland 14:42 PilzAdam Isabella, only german: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derp 14:42 Isabella omg wkik 14:42 Isabella wiki 14:42 Isabella its a girl 14:42 PilzAdam an artist 14:42 bas080 PilzAdam, lol 14:43 PilzAdam a dancer 14:43 Isabella hahah sorry ¨¨sir¨ 14:43 bas080 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp 14:43 Isabella nope not clicking 14:43 bas080 derp 14:43 Isabella i do ballet 14:44 PilzAdam does Edward_ ballet? 14:44 bas080 i do badminton 14:44 PilzAdam i do ESports 14:44 bas080 do you sweat when doing that? 14:45 PilzAdam nope 14:45 bas080 PilzAdam, Maybe BSL? 14:45 whirm I do ballet while I do badminton while I do parachuting 14:45 PilzAdam thats the positive side of it 14:45 PilzAdam bas080, you mean this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayerischer_Tischfussballverband 14:46 whirm bas080: are there any mountain biking circuits in the netherlands btw? 14:46 PilzAdam bavarian table soccer 14:46 bas080 Nope Ball stuck to Leg syndrome 14:47 bas080 whirm: yes but for best mounting biking it's best to go to the south of netherlands and especially in Belgium 14:47 whirm bas080: yes, I heard about the belgium province XD 14:47 whirm bas080: Ill be in delft 14:47 bas080 technical studies 14:48 bas080 what uni? 14:48 whirm tudelft 14:49 bas080 of course... have you ever been in the Netherlands? and ifso where? 14:50 whirm when I was 18 (more or less) i went a week near Amsterdam and a couple of months ago I went to scout delft, rotterdam, and the hague 14:50 bas080 what did you scout for? 14:51 whirm to see the 3 cities I could live in if I got the job and see if I like it :) 14:52 whirm bas080: are you from the south? 14:54 bas080 hahaa, lol... i lived there till i was five but NO! :P they are really nice though. 14:56 whirm yes they are (for what I could see) 14:57 whirm bas080: why so emphatic about not living there? 14:57 bas080 People in the north are a bit more individualistic. Did you check out Haarlem? 14:58 whirm bas080: yes, I heard about it, they say holland people tend to look down to the others 14:58 whirm bas080: No, a spanish student I met in the train while going to the airport to netherlands told me that there are nice beaches there 14:59 whirm but I did not have time to go too far 14:59 Basstard` whirm: Beaches or bitches? 14:59 * Calinou speaks spanish 14:59 cornernote i have a mod called smooth, but i dont know where it came from 14:59 cornernote i want to include it in my game 14:59 Calinou shit france education forces you to lrn2threefuckinglanguages 14:59 cornernote rekon i should just use it, and say author unknowm 14:59 Calinou french (obviously), english (I'm cool with that), spanish (NOT cool with that) 14:59 PilzAdam shit france 14:59 cornernote then if the author contacts me, ask for permission ? 14:59 Calinou spanish is useless 15:00 whirm Basstard`: we didn't talk about bitches XD 15:00 Calinou PilzAdam, hi french president, i don't like your country 15:00 Calinou lol :p 15:00 VanessaE_ cornernote: a mod named 'smooth'? 15:00 whirm Calinou: are you french? 15:00 Calinou yes 15:00 * PilzAdam facepalms 15:00 VanessaE_ you mean a minetest mod or a piece of music? what does it do? 15:00 whirm Calinou: I'm half french :) 15:01 * PilzAdam facepalms half 15:01 Basstard` Baise-moi. 15:02 whirm Basstard`: baise-yourself :) 15:02 RealBadAngel at least 15:03 RealBadAngel 15 yrs old who asked what google and firewall is 15:03 RealBadAngel shit we are surrounded by morons 15:03 Basstard` You love 'em, don't you? 15:03 whirm morons, morons everywhere 15:03 VanessaE_ "I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!" 15:03 VanessaE_ "Keep firing, assholes!" 15:03 RealBadAngel open a frigde 15:04 RealBadAngel they will pop up 15:04 Basstard` VanessaE_: "Keep firing assholes!" 15:04 RealBadAngel 1st i pointed him to last build 15:04 RealBadAngel ok 15:05 RealBadAngel 7zip was a problem 15:05 bas080 whirm, they are just afraid and compensate with arrogance. We are a "multicultural" country but somehow the different cultures don't mix but stay divided 15:05 Isabella i have a server that works :D 15:05 PilzAdam wb Isabella 15:05 Isabella breakingdawn.minetest.ca port: 30005 15:05 whirm bas080: why are there afraid? 15:05 RealBadAngel mother of god, like really? 15:06 Isabella yes 15:06 RealBadAngel no shit 15:06 whirm *they 15:06 RealBadAngel ok ok 15:06 RealBadAngel i stop 15:06 RealBadAngel i had enough with you family/friend Isabella 15:07 whirm Isabella: update the server! it's too old! 15:07 bas080 whirm: because of our media. Our media finds it very important to share what nationality committed a crime unless this person is dutch. 15:07 Basstard` RealBadAngel: Haha. 15:07 PilzAdam Isabella, use 0.4.2-rc1 15:08 RealBadAngel your age please 15:08 RealBadAngel yours first 15:08 RealBadAngel 17 15:08 RealBadAngel no 15:08 RealBadAngel not 17 15:08 RealBadAngel decide 15:08 RealBadAngel 15 15:08 bas080 whirm: Also some cultures are clashing like Muslim believes and dutch tolerance 15:08 whirm bas080: I was talking about holland vs the rest of the netherlands 15:08 bas080 Gays and some women are not accepted by many Muslims. 15:08 whirm bas080: I know about the muslim problem 15:08 whirm here in spain its more or less the same 15:08 VanessaE_ fuck the muslim extremists. sorry. 15:09 whirm VanessaE_: they are not extremmists 15:09 whirm just closed minded 15:09 whirm as fuck 15:09 VanessaE_ well it's the extremists that are the most vocal here anyway 15:09 PilzAdam +1 15:10 bas080 I don't like taging people. Muslim extremists have variating believes 15:10 whirm the extremists are the most vocal in all the countries, doesn't matter the nationality I think 15:10 VanessaE_ if you don't want your religion to look like it's composed of nothing but extremists, haters, pedophiles, etc. then stop acting like it. 15:10 VanessaE_ simple as that. 15:10 whirm VanessaE_: just look at the USA :) 15:10 bas080 What religious gay haters 15:11 bas080 how is the gay life relevant to theirs... but ok... 15:11 VanessaE_ whirm: +1 15:11 RealBadAngel religion is opium for masses 15:11 bas080 somehow it conflicts with their beliefs 15:11 VanessaE_ RealBadAngel: "opiate"/ 15:11 whirm RealBadAngel: nope 15:11 VanessaE_ not opium. 15:11 VanessaE_ and I disagree anyway 15:11 RealBadAngel and a way to control them 15:11 whirm RealBadAngel: religion is crack for masses 15:11 Isabella whats wrong with my friend realbadangel 15:11 PilzAdam add religion to Minetest 15:11 whirm a bit like football & co. 15:12 RealBadAngel you know? my grand grand pa 15:12 RealBadAngel had cancer 15:12 RealBadAngel gave all his money to the church 15:12 RealBadAngel it was like 1920-1925 15:13 VanessaE_ didn't do a whole lotta good did it? 15:13 PilzAdam VanessaE_, silence hes telling a story 15:13 RealBadAngel he left wife with 4 daughters 15:13 whirm wtf 15:13 RealBadAngel 3 of them died because the family had no money 15:14 RealBadAngel of hunger 15:14 RealBadAngel priests tell them to fuck off 15:14 bas080 PilzAdam, not a bad idea. i was thinking about a mod where you have to sacrifice resources to not anger the gods and if you give plenty it gives you some valuable nodes in return. If only god was like that 15:14 RealBadAngel so i fuck the religion and priests 15:14 RealBadAngel period 15:15 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, +100 15:15 VanessaE_ G*d ain't gonna fix a broken leg or a lump of cancer in your chest. that's the job of the doctors. 15:15 bas080 those priests where some greedy sons a bitches 15:15 Calinou 4chan talk in #minetest right now 15:15 Calinou also: god 15:15 * Calinou said the forbidden word of today 15:16 RealBadAngel wanna see my family in coffins? 15:16 RealBadAngel dont push it 15:16 whirm VanessaE_: god ain't gonna fix shit because there's no such think 15:16 RealBadAngel religion is way to rule the idiots 15:16 RealBadAngel always was 15:16 VanessaE_ whirm: well belief in such aside, there's a similar phrase as the above that's popular with folks of my religion. 15:16 Basstard` There is no religion today. Only traditions and stubborn people. 15:17 RealBadAngel is 15:17 VanessaE_ RealBadAngel: not all religion is like that. 15:17 bas080 yes but what are the agenda's of those rulers? and why should idiots be at the mercy of some literature. 15:17 RealBadAngel all of them are the same 15:17 PilzAdam religion gives the people hope and take their money 15:17 VanessaE_ RealBadAngel: no, they are not all the same. Jews != Muslims for example. 15:17 RealBadAngel yeah yeah 15:17 whirm VanessaE_: do you belive in the FSM? 15:17 RealBadAngel blow the building 15:18 bas080 VanessaE, haha, they both punch eachother 15:18 VanessaE_ whirm: gimme a fork and some spaghetti sauce :-) 15:18 RealBadAngel you will fuck the virgins for the eternity 15:18 VanessaE_ (and no. I'm Jewish fwiw) 15:19 RealBadAngel i think usa citizens gonna like muslims way 15:19 VanessaE_ NO FUCKING WAY 15:19 RealBadAngel especially planes and hightowers 15:19 whirm pastafarianism has the same legitimacy than christianism, judaism and this Jedi one they registered in the USA 15:20 * VanessaE_ grumbles 15:20 RealBadAngel praise them, theyre fuckin virgins now in muslim's heaven 15:20 bas080 what is the origin of religion? 15:20 RealBadAngel need for power 15:20 VanessaE_ I can respect people being atheist, but please don't equate all religions to each other. 15:20 * Isabella wonders 15:20 RealBadAngel to rule the rest of the horde 15:20 PilzAdam bas080, stories 15:21 bas080 yes but it had to have started somewhere... 15:21 bas080 it wasn't there for eternity... 15:21 whirm VanessaE_: I'm not saying they are equal (budhism is not the same that catolicism for example) but they have exactly the same legitimacy than pastafiarianism 15:21 PilzAdam the first humans was telling stories to each other 15:21 PilzAdam other generations the stories where telled and altered 15:21 RealBadAngel but some of them told better stories 15:22 PilzAdam and then someone written them down 15:22 PilzAdam => bible 15:22 VanessaE_ whirm: I disagree for one reason: all religions have some basis in human nature, psychology, etc. pastafarianism was created as a joke against all the others. 15:22 RealBadAngel and later noticed they could control anothers with them 15:22 PilzAdam => koran 15:22 bas080 i don't think stories are enough to humble a believer. 15:22 RealBadAngel look at aegypt 15:22 PilzAdam over a a long long time they do 15:22 RealBadAngel priest knew what nile will do 15:23 VanessaE_ by deliberately being a joke, it automatically becomes far less legit than the others. 15:23 RealBadAngel common folks had no such knowledge 15:23 bas080 I ones believed in god. But that was because of fear. 15:23 whirm VanessaE_: at least is clean from lies and manipulations :) 15:23 bas080 I didn;t want him to punish me for my deeds and it made sure i was afraid to do things 15:23 VanessaE_ I don't fear G*d or most other things. 15:24 RealBadAngel obey, or the god will kick your ass? 15:24 VanessaE_ whirm: Judaism doesn't seek to manipulate. at least not the branch I belong to. 15:24 bas080 Always asking before i could do something. i had to break the rules before i believed that there is no all seeing eye that punishes. 15:25 bas080 Just like santa or sinterklaas in the Netherlands. 15:25 whirm VanessaE_: and you believe that there's a superior being up there that once dictated the rules by which you have to live now? 15:25 VanessaE_ no. 15:25 RealBadAngel btw Vanessa: i dont like religion that thinks tellin father to sacrifice his son is ok 15:25 PilzAdam whirm, its called physics 15:25 Basstard` But where do physics come from, eh? 15:26 PilzAdam big bang 15:26 Basstard` And where did that come from, eh? 15:26 whirm PilzAdam: sorry, I don't believe in physics 15:26 RealBadAngel wait wait 15:26 Basstard` And where does this sensation of reality come from, eh? 15:26 whirm XDD 15:26 RealBadAngel we do have new theory now 15:26 RealBadAngel big freeze 15:26 VanessaE_ I believe there is a superior being who has the good of all beings in mind in a general sense, but I don't believe he ever dictated some rules for people to live by. Not even the ten commandments, and those were supposedly carved by his own (proverbial) hand. 15:26 RealBadAngel instead of big bang 15:26 whirm VanessaE_: and how comes you believe this? 15:27 bas080 you don't believe in physics. You study it or you don't. Experiments and results of experiments are duplicable. if not the theory is not valid. Also noticed that science is much harder then religion. atleast that's my experience. 15:27 VanessaE_ whirm: a lifetime of being part of another religion before, examining what people do under the guise of those religions, and evaluating for myself just what is and is not worth believing. What seems logical in a religious sense. 15:29 VanessaE_ I don't, for example, believe G*d actually punishes or rewards people for their actions here on Earth (that's something to be done in an afterlife, assuming it exists). Can He influence say an animal to run across the street so that you avoid the car wreck you would have had a block further up the road? Sure. No human will to interefere with there. 15:29 VanessaE_ -e 15:29 PilzAdam it is posiible that we all are a programm, like minetest 15:29 whirm VanessaE_: so you believe in this because you have been educated to do so 15:29 VanessaE_ whirm: incorrect. 15:29 VanessaE_ whirm: I took it upon myself to seek answers, found a religion that makes sense, and saw the others for what they were: lies. 15:29 VanessaE_ no offense if anyone in here is christian or something. 15:30 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: the matrix has you. 15:30 VanessaE_ knock, knock, PilzAdam. 15:30 PilzAdam whos there? 15:30 whirm VanessaE_: and why is precisely yours the good one instead of any of the 1212323 others? because it makes more sense in _your_ head? 15:30 bas080 Is life not comparable to a biological computer.... 15:31 bas080 All these organs we have etc kind of make me think of repositories :P 15:31 bas080 No where's that update? 15:31 VanessaE_ whirm: because as a rule we don't seek to destroy others, control people's lives, etc. We believe, as a general rule, that each person is responsible for what they do in this world. The so-called "Golden Rule" is at the very core of my faith. 15:31 PilzAdam I think one the basics of human beings is, that they want to know what the sense of the life is; but nobody can answer it 15:31 whirm VanessaE_: you need no religion, nor god to believe this 15:32 VanessaE_ (Hillel. properly stated, "That which is hateful for someone to do unto you, do not do to another".) 15:32 whirm VanessaE_: it's called ethics and common sense 15:32 VanessaE_ exactly. 15:32 VanessaE_ I believe these things independently of my religion. 15:32 VanessaE_ I didn't need a book or house of worship to come to this conclusion. 15:32 bas080 VanessaE, how can one make a responsible choice if he she is not aware of the context to which there choices apply. 15:32 VanessaE_ which is why my religion fits so well into this. 15:33 bas080 people make bad choices. are they less worthy to be respected by there god in that case 15:33 whirm VanessaE_: so someone made up a religion that spins around common sense and ethics 15:33 whirm and put a god on top of it 15:33 VanessaE_ Of course not. But if those "bad choices" are made in the context of "I don't give a whit about the consequences" then perhaps they do deserve less of that respect. 15:34 VanessaE_ whirm: eh, I wouldn't go that far. But as religions go, I see no reason to choose some other that doesn't at least make sense. 15:35 VanessaE_ I mean, how do they put it with christianity? something about a zombie rabbi? :-) 15:35 bas080 I agree with you that everyone should suffer the consequences of there actions. But the consequences that he/she should suffer should not be insisted upon by others. 15:36 bas080 We are group animals and for many there is no bigger fear then the fear of being excluded 15:37 whirm VanessaE_: so, you think your religion is the true one because its rules make sense (at your ethical and moral level)? 15:37 VanessaE_ no. 15:37 VanessaE_ I think it's the true one because we don't seek to kill others, damn others to some sort of hell for all eternity, etc. 15:38 VanessaE_ that alone, to my mind, puts us above most other religions. 15:38 whirm VanessaE_: I don't do that either and I'm an atheist 15:38 PilzAdam whirm, +1 15:39 VanessaE_ fair enough. 15:39 VanessaE_ as abe and I like to say: better to be an atheist than a christian, muslim, etc. 15:39 VanessaE_ at least you don't advocate the violence and lies we've seen from those two. 15:40 bas080 Daily people are excluded from jobs/education and other opportunities because of beliefs. Beliefs are not actions. People should be judged on there actions 15:40 whirm what I can't understand is: if there's no proof nor clue whatsoever about your (nor any) god, why do you think it does exist? 15:42 VanessaE_ whirm: good question, for which my only answer would be circular reasoning. 15:43 VanessaE_ maybe because I was taught to, maybe because I just feel that way, who knows. 15:43 PilzAdam VanessaE_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma 15:43 whirm VanessaE_: so you where educated to believe in something no one has been able to proof its existence in the whole history of humanity 15:44 whirm that's almost cruel 15:44 PilzAdam whirm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma 15:44 PilzAdam you cant proog anything 15:44 PilzAdam *proof 15:44 VanessaE_ whirm: hasn't done me any harm. I don't really see a problem. 15:44 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: "prove". 15:44 PilzAdam thx 15:44 Basstard` I see a reality in front of me. I "know" that it exists, I experience it. I do not know where it comes from, but it is being sustained. The question is, how do I come to know that force that currently sustains "me"? 15:45 PilzAdam Basstard`, there could also be a computer plugged to your brain that shows you the "reality" 15:45 Basstard` PilzAdam: Same thing. 15:46 bas080 PilzAdam, maybe your brain is made to do exactly that 15:47 whirm of course, we can't see the whole reality, so we can't understand everything 15:47 whirm but that's not my point 15:47 tango_ wow discussions here surely got way more philosophical than last time I checked 15:49 whirm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn <-- this explains better what I mean 15:50 bas080 The more we convince ourselves and get feedback from our surroundings about the truthfulness of our believes the less we look for new truths. Simply sais: get out of your comfort zone and who knows you'll learn something from it. 15:51 bas080 whirm, I can see the invisible pink unicorn all around me! 15:51 bas080 thank god it's invisible though! 15:51 * PilzAdam too 15:51 whirm bas080: are you chatting from a coffe shop after eating some mushrooms? 15:52 tango_ what makes you think that things seen under the influence are any less real than things seen not under influence 15:52 PilzAdam you guys know why i love programming games like minetest? 15:53 tango_ do remind us 15:53 PilzAdam because you are "God" in this world 15:53 vicscandl IPU! w00t! 15:53 PilzAdam you can set all laws 15:53 tango_ IPU =? 15:53 whirm oh, I just noticed that the unicorn is female in english XD 15:53 vicscandl invisible pink unicor == ipu 15:53 tango_ oh sorry 15:53 bas080 hehe, i may live in the Netherlands, but drug use is low except for touriststs 15:54 whirm tango_: I don't know if they are less real, but we need to talk in ecuality of conditions :) 15:54 vicscandl everytime you type "god" put in "invisible pink unicorn"... it still makes sense... 15:54 whirm bas080: I was joking of course :) 15:55 bas080 whirm, except for beer! 15:55 tango_ whirm: what makes you think that two persons both not under influence are in equality of conditions 15:55 bas080 that;s a staple in Dutch diet :P 15:55 tango_ what makes you think that me and you perceive the world in the same way 15:55 whirm bas080: btw, coffe shops can be used only by residents now, right? 15:56 whirm bas080: amanita's beer? 15:56 PilzAdam tango_, maybe what i call red is green for you 15:56 bas080 You should walk threw a dutch city on a friday.... 15:56 bas080 whirm: True and not true 15:56 whirm tango_: if I'm on LSD and you aren't I'm quite sure we won't perceive the world the same way :) 15:57 PilzAdam tango_, so you call green red beacause all the others call it so 15:57 bas080 yes you need to have a dutch id in the southern part of the Netherlands from 1st of januari also in the north. 15:57 whirm bas080: I will soon :) 15:57 tango_ PilzAdam: exactly. maybe our palettes are all randomized with respect to one another 15:57 bas080 But they are planning on reversing that law depending on what party will win the elections :) 15:57 tango_ (aside from the fact that me specifically am colorblind) 15:57 whirm bas080: lol politics... 15:57 whirm bas080: was it really a problem? 15:58 vicscandl so i updated teh client today to be more memory happy 15:58 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception 15:58 bas080 Dutch government just wants to know more about the cannabis sales and production and they want to do it by registering the consumers. Imagine them doing that in supermarkets :P 15:59 whirm bas080: I had a friend that went to amsterdam to get high for some days, the first one he smoked too much and he went out to get some fresh air, passed out and broke his teeth in the curb 15:59 whirm XDDDD 15:59 whirm drugs are bad :D 16:00 PilzAdam drugs are bad 16:00 bas080 Hahahaha, i love looking at weed tourists in Amsterdam while i'm sipping a beer on a terrace 16:00 bas080 mmmkay 16:00 whirm bas080: so coffe shops wheren't accounting for its sales? 16:01 bas080 most likely yes. But why not legalize production. That way you can tax farmers and shop keepers and have a clear view on quality and quantity.. 16:01 whirm ? 16:01 whirm production was not legalized? 16:02 bas080 But Netherlands is a bit of a police state. They just want to be able to arrest people whenever they want to. NO!!! It is not legal! 16:02 whirm really? 16:03 whirm it is legal to sell it but not to cultivate it? 16:03 Octupus weed isnt legal to sell of grow :) 16:03 whirm that doesn't make sense at all 16:03 bas080 You are allowed to own plants. Differs per region. Some regions you can have 5 others 3... but farming is not allowed... there is one province which has tried it... i wonder if it's still ongoing. 16:04 whirm so what are the coffe shops supposed to sell? 16:04 bas080 It is not legal but allowed to sell threw a dispensary but dispensaries are not allowed to buy weed :P 16:04 bas080 High quality weed 16:05 PilzAdam there is weed in my farming mod 16:05 Calinou minecraft has POTATOES now (latest snapshot) 16:05 bas080 atleast that's what they all say they sell 16:05 * Calinou files patent 16:05 Calinou http://www.mojang.com/2012/08/weekly-chunk-paxmineconsnapshot/ 16:05 Calinou patent for corner stairs too 16:06 whirm bas080: what's the logical explanation to this law? 16:06 PilzAdam wb Isabella_ 16:06 Isabella_ Basstard is a bastard 16:06 Isabella_ wb? 16:07 PilzAdam welcome back 16:07 Isabella_ oh 16:07 Isabella_ :P 16:08 bas080 So they can close or arrest any shopkeeper at any time without violating laws. That is what I think. In the Netherlands you are also required to always have identification on you and you are required to show this to the police whenever they ask for it. 16:09 Isabella_ yep 16:09 whirm bas080: about the ID is the same here in spain 16:09 PilzAdam In germany the police is allowed to take you to the office to chek your id 16:09 whirm bas080: but do they arrest shopkeepers? 16:10 whirm bas080: I mean, what interest do they have in arresting them? 16:11 bas080 Sometimes minors enter the shops. In that case they get a fine and the shops have to close down. Sometimes they arrest shopkeepers when they are trying to "eradicate" illegal groups. 16:12 bas080 financial most likely.... in Holland we have a saying "It hurts most when they take money from your wallet" 16:13 bas080 Dutch government loves giving fines. 16:13 whirm bas080: you have to come to spain and see here :) 16:13 bas080 "doet pijn aan je portemonnee" zeg ik dat goed? 16:13 * PilzAdam dont understand 16:13 bas080 whirm: why? 16:13 whirm bas080: they love to fine people too 16:14 bas080 :P 16:15 whirm bas080: is it easy to get fined while cycling? 16:16 bas080 yes and no... if they get allot of complaints from people that are cycling at night without lights or that cyclists are driving threw red to often they setup a checkpoint. 16:17 whirm and if you go fast? 16:17 bas080 It almost happened to me.... luckily someone warned me and jumped of my bike and turned into a pedestrian. :P 16:17 whirm lol 16:17 bas080 No never! 16:17 bas080 only when it's dangerous. But most likely you'll get a warning. 16:18 whirm bas080: ok, that's good, because I tend to go quite fast 16:18 bas080 We have many cyclist lanes so you would be able to do that safely also. 16:18 whirm bas080: I know 16:19 whirm I went from delft to the coast and back 16:19 whirm biking 16:19 bas080 what can I say, Small country! 16:19 bas080 but it's not a big distance either. 16:19 whirm it's the same size as catalunya I think :) 16:20 whirm no, but I was able to appreciate the facilities you have there to move on a bike :) 16:21 bas080 I remember having guests over from other countries and they found it so weird that many people where sitting on the back of each others bikes. 16:21 bas080 Also when inebriated. 16:21 whirm hehe, and the half boat-half bike? :D 16:21 whirm bas080: oh, and a question that's been on my mind for a while now 16:21 whirm bas080: do people use bikes on winter? 16:21 Basstard` Where? 16:22 bas080 yes and they break wrists also. 16:22 whirm bas080: that's what I feared 16:22 whirm XD 16:22 whirm Basstard`: where what? 16:22 Basstard` I know people who use bikes above the arctic circle, and even at -40 C 16:23 bas080 Good point. when it snows in teh Netherlands all trains stop working. *Most trains 16:23 whirm Basstard`: with nails on the wheels? 16:23 bas080 every year the same story 16:23 bas080 and every year they are prepared for it " " 16:23 Basstard` whirm: Regular wheels. 16:23 whirm bas080: in spain is the same with the rain 16:24 whirm so the country gets paralized? 16:24 whirm I mean, if you can't go on train nor on bike... 16:24 bas080 yep. lot's of excuses at work and school! 16:24 whirm how do you get to your workplace? XD 16:24 bas080 with a good excuse 16:25 bas080 and if your really dutch you skate 16:25 bas080 ice skating 16:25 whirm bas080: along the channels :) 16:25 bas080 yes 16:25 bas080 there are many 16:25 whirm bas080: I used to skate 16:26 bas080 in spain? 16:26 whirm bas080: I have to try it again 16:26 whirm bas080: yes 16:26 bas080 every winter it's a big hype 16:26 bas080 to go skating 16:26 whirm bas080: http://www.skatingclub.cat 16:27 bas080 and when summer comes it's a big hype to go baking in the sun. Year in year out. 16:28 whirm XD 16:28 whirm for 4 days a year 16:28 whirm with a little bit of luck :) 16:28 bas080 haha, kind of... we had good weather the past few weeks. 16:29 whirm bas080: this is what I think it will kill my gf when whe go there :) 16:30 bas080 you said you have a small business. What is your business about? 16:30 whirm www.zenpl.com 16:32 bas080 Web development... web stores and marketing threw mail? is that right? 16:32 whirm XDDD 16:32 whirm nope 16:33 bas080 also operating systems? 16:33 whirm bas080: there's an english version of the page :) 16:33 bas080 That helps. my Spanish is not that fluent 16:34 whirm XD 16:34 whirm bas080: do you study spanish? 16:34 bas080 I see it's much broader... data mining... 16:35 bas080 No. lo aprendi quando estuvo en Curacao 16:36 bas080 Mi papa tenia muchas novias Colombiana :P I no querian aprender hulandes 16:36 whirm we basically develop custom software based on open source for third party companies that don't know or don't want to do it themselves 16:36 whirm lol 16:36 whirm a pity that dutch is so hard to learn 16:37 whirm bas080: how long do you think it takes to learn enough to have conversations? 16:38 bas080 Spanish is too. Especially with the verbs and the different times. But i think dutch has many similarities to Spanish. Only speaking requires you to learn some pronunciation when it is not native to you 16:39 PilzAdam my brother learned spanish and he said its easy because he knows latin 16:40 whirm PilzAdam: yes, once you know a lating tongue the rest are easier 16:40 bas080 Hmm, in a month you can learn the basics. Things like i would like... and Where is... and stuff like that. But most time will go in pronounciation. 16:40 PilzAdam bas080, like all european languages 16:40 whirm my gf learned catalan in 6 months and italian in 6 months more 16:40 bas080 We have the Sch and che ch and the hard g and some other things that you will find weird in the beginning. 16:41 bas080 I atually gave dutch lessons to children on curacao and also some to english native speakers here in the netherlands. 16:41 PilzAdam dutch sounds similar to german (a bit) 16:41 bas080 NOT! 16:41 bas080 :P 16:42 whirm oh, btw, do you know if theres work for english or spanish teachers in the netherlands? 16:42 bas080 Depends where in germany 16:42 whirm are they similar at all? (dutch and german) 16:43 PilzAdam nope 16:43 bas080 There are many concerned parents which would love to hire someone that can teach there child spanish or english so they can make there exams well. Also many studies in holland require you to understand 2 langauges besides dutch. There are many courses in spanish and english. 16:44 bas080 In my experience Spanish and dutch have similarities. I think German and dutch do so too. 16:44 whirm bas080: where can you find job offers? we looked all over the internetz and there was only jobs in IT, commercial and call centers 16:45 cornernote which mod has gates ? 16:45 VanessaE_ gates. :-) 16:45 cornernote hrmm 16:45 VanessaE_ http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=896 16:46 cornernote i must have a really old one 16:46 whirm bas080: yes, for what I was able to read dutch is easier to understand than german to me being spanish and having no idea of neither of them :) 16:46 cornernote my gates arent nodeboxes 16:46 bas080 There are some companies which specialize in matching students with teachers. i don't know if they require you to speak Dutch but you can try anywayz. 16:46 VanessaE_ there was another from around the time doors got added in 16:47 whirm bas080: how much do you pay to learn dutch? 16:47 whirm bas080: If you get tired of my questions just tell me so :) 16:48 Isabella anyone know where madchicken13 (UbuntuNerd) is 16:48 PilzAdam nope 16:48 PilzAdam wb 16:48 Isabella thx adam 16:49 VanessaE_ cornernote: searching... 16:49 Isabella hahahaha 16:49 cornernote no, i see.. there are non-nodebox gates in the mod too 16:49 Isabella ahhhhh run away!!! 16:49 sir-king-lol-guy hello 16:49 PilzAdam hi 16:49 Isabella run away from iqualfragile 16:49 Isabella éme runs 16:49 Isabella fuck me 16:49 VanessaE_ wait 16:50 VanessaE_ gates 1.6 IS the one you want 16:50 * Isabella runs 16:50 Isabella whats that 16:50 * PilzAdam stops her 16:50 VanessaE_ it's been updated since the old one you had 16:50 Isabella what has the server m13.sytes.net? 16:51 Isabella what is the gates 1.6 16:51 sir-king-lol-guy vanessE are u the one hows made the flower mod? 16:52 VanessaE_ Isabella: try to keep up, that message was for cornernote. 16:52 VanessaE_ sir-king-lol-guy: I made an updated version of it, yes. ironzorg made the original. 16:52 Isabella oh :( sorry 16:52 sir-king-lol-guy cool i was looking at the mods today 16:52 Isabella i saw the ones from pilzadam 16:53 sir-king-lol-guy same 16:53 * Isabella is confused from where madchicken13 is 16:54 PilzAdam hes not here 16:54 Isabella i know i see that 16:54 VanessaE_ cornernote: your update to hatches, does it still use the old texture (i.e. will my texture pack's image still work)? :-) 16:55 sir-king-lol-guy help 16:55 cornernote yep 16:55 VanessaE_ excellent 16:55 cornernote i just made it so the hatch is at the top of the node 16:55 cornernote seemed strange you couldnt walk over it 16:55 VanessaE_ so it has to be placed "down into" the hole it covers? 16:56 Isabella so no one knows where he is 16:56 VanessaE_ Isabella: he is banned from the forums is all I know. 16:57 Isabella why 16:57 VanessaE_ but he doesn't come here often. 16:57 VanessaE_ I don't remember. 16:57 RealBadAngel he posted copyrighted content in the furums 16:57 RealBadAngel music 16:58 Isabella he did do music, i wanted to play it bu t i couldnt 16:58 VanessaE_ cornernote: you should make a zip of the updated mod and add it to your post. 16:59 VanessaE_ Isabella: it is illegal to spread music that the authors have not expressly released for the purpose. 16:59 RealBadAngel he not "did" the music. he posted Metallica songs on the forum to download 16:59 VanessaE_ in most jurisdictions anyway 16:59 Isabella oh, will he get un-banned sometime??? 16:59 VanessaE_ probably, dunno when 17:02 Isabella oh 17:02 Isabella pɹɐʇsɐq ɐ sı pɹɐʇssɐq ʇɐɥʇ sʍouʞ oɥʍ 17:03 PilzAdam u live in australia? 17:03 Isabella me? 17:03 PilzAdam yes 17:03 Isabella nope its a link 17:04 PilzAdam because you writ 17:04 Isabella http://toolsgeek.com/upsidedown.php 17:04 PilzAdam e "down under" 17:04 Isabella huh? 17:06 PilzAdam ɯɐpɐzlıd 17:08 PilzAdam 2 Isabellas 17:09 PilzAdam 1 died 17:10 RealBadAngel some1 have a bow wielded? 17:10 PilzAdam ? 17:10 RealBadAngel shoot the other one 17:11 * PilzAdam takes his bow 17:11 * PilzAdam takes his arrow 17:11 Isabella_ im here 17:11 * PilzAdam shoots at RealBadAngel 17:11 RealBadAngel not me :P 17:12 PilzAdam you in my hell :-p 17:12 PilzAdam *are 17:12 Basstard` You in my hell are. 17:12 PilzAdam you *are* in my hell 17:12 RealBadAngel well, that must be hell then 17:13 RealBadAngel indeed 17:13 RealBadAngel im sittin here with 20kg of apples and a knife 17:13 * Isabella_ is confused o.o 17:13 * PilzAdam steals the apples and reaplace the knife witha a stick 17:14 Isabella_ hahahaha 17:14 * PilzAdam steals the stick 17:14 RealBadAngel goin to make apfelmus 17:14 * VanessaE_ hands RealBadAngel two more sticks and a steel ingot 17:14 VanessaE_ er, one stick and two ingots even 17:14 PilzAdam now you are in my hell too, VanessaE_ 17:15 RealBadAngel grab another knife and helpe damn ;) 17:15 * VanessaE_ floats calmly above the entrance to PilzAdam's hell and laughs 17:15 * PilzAdam gives VanessaE_ a burning lollipop 17:15 RealBadAngel i cant c the end of it 17:15 * PilzAdam teleport VanessaE_ back 17:16 VanessaE_ RealBadAngel: time to grab the food processor and the sieve :-) 17:17 RealBadAngel heheheh 17:17 RealBadAngel everybody 17:17 Isabella_ whut 17:18 RealBadAngel is smart not, but to grab the knife and help... 17:18 Basstard` Whut whut 17:18 VanessaE_ who? 17:18 * khonkhortisan wisely stays out of this conversation 17:18 * khonkhortisan noticed he just said something in this conversation 17:18 khonkhortisan achievement lost: Wiseness 17:18 Isabella_ hahahaha 17:19 * PilzAdam grabs the lost achievement 17:19 khonkhortisan PilzAdam stays out ofs the conversation :) 17:19 * Isabella_ doesnt know whats going on 17:19 khonkhortisan me neither 17:20 Basstard` Yoda here is. 17:20 Isabella_ yay lets be buds 17:20 Isabella_ hahaha joking -.- 17:22 * PilzAdam puts the wiseness into a locked chat so he cant lose it 17:23 Isabella_ hahaha 17:30 RealBadAngel hah some1 mentioned the Force? 17:31 RealBadAngel its powerful but im afraid not powerful enough 17:33 VanessaE_ forget the force 17:33 VanessaE_ use The Schwartz. 17:33 RealBadAngel lol 17:34 RealBadAngel you of course do KNOW how it sound and the word similar to it? 17:34 RealBadAngel in german of course 17:34 VanessaE_ yup 17:34 RealBadAngel youre my man ;) 17:34 PilzAdam its schwarz and not schwartz 17:34 VanessaE_ man?? 17:34 RealBadAngel "" 17:34 VanessaE_ *grumble* 17:35 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: Schwartz. See also, "Spaceballs". 17:35 Basstard` When can then be now? 17:35 VanessaE_ soon 17:36 PilzAdam http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz 17:36 VanessaE_ PilzAdam: wrong reference. 17:36 RealBadAngel it was so close to "schwanz" 17:36 PilzAdam lol 17:36 RealBadAngel that was the meanin 17:37 RealBadAngel not told, but almost shown 17:37 VanessaE_ stands to reason Mel would use that word in Blazing Saddles :-) 17:39 RealBadAngel use the shwanz Luke!, use the schwanz! 17:39 PilzAdam lol 17:39 VanessaE_ you keep your schwanz to yourself. 17:40 RealBadAngel hehe ok :) 17:42 Basstard` Yogurt! 17:42 PilzAdam mmmmmm 17:42 VanessaE_ I hate yogurt. even with strawberries. 17:42 * PilzAdam wants yogurt!!! 17:43 RealBadAngel well, rite. it looks kimda... digested? 17:43 RealBadAngel its all rite with me some ate strawberries before 17:44 RealBadAngel but i dont have to test the results ;) 17:46 iqualfragile obey the topic! 17:46 iqualfragile i am gona blame the islam 17:46 PilzAdam hallo der Herr 17:46 Basstard` IRC. Internet Religion Chat. 17:47 iqualfragile why? because i feel sorry for all those who had to stop eating last month 17:48 iqualfragile Seid gegrüßt. 17:48 PilzAdam Wie ist das werte Befinden? 17:49 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFA-rOls8YA 17:51 PilzAdam lol 17:52 Basstard` Is the o in lol the head, and the ll are the arms? 17:52 PilzAdam lol 17:52 PilzAdam | 17:53 iqualfragile Recht annehmbar, täte ich doch behaupten, und das ihre? 17:53 PilzAdam lol 17:53 PilzAdam | 17:53 PilzAdam /\ 17:54 PilzAdam iqualfragile, fabulös! 18:01 PilzAdam iqualfragile, Sie haben sich garnicht verabshiedet. 18:02 iqualfragile Ich entfernte mich lediglich für eine kürzere Zeitperiode, eine verabschiedung hielt ich infolgedessen für überflüssig 18:02 iqualfragile . 18:03 iqualfragile Allerdings erinnern sie mich daran mir endlich einmal einen bouncer zuzulegen 18:03 PilzAdam So so, ein Herr des schnellen Fußes. 18:08 orbitaldecay I'm having random lockups while running the 0.4.1 client on Fedora 17 with the latest Nvidia drivers. Does anyone know anything about this? 18:09 Basstard` Why use blobs? 18:09 VanessaE_ I'd blame the video drivers before the game; userland shouldn't be able to hard-crash a linux box. 18:09 iqualfragile it seems like you would be using properitearntiraent drivers 18:09 Basstard` "properitearntiraent"? 18:09 orbitaldecay VanessaE, iqualfragile: Agreed, though the problem is unique to this game, which strikes me as odd 18:10 orbitaldecay I was just wondering if it was any known bug 18:10 VanessaE_ not that I've heard of 18:10 mika__ can i change protocol version, majority of servers i've tested run 11 and i have protocol version 12 18:10 VanessaE_ mika__: get an older copy of minetest. 18:10 orbitaldecay I don't think mem usage is going to 100%, but I'll double check 18:10 orbitaldecay thanks :) 18:11 VanessaE_ mika__: or bug the server admins to upgrade :-) 18:11 Basstard` Blobs are bugs. 18:11 mika__ Any one here having a 0.4.2 server, i run ubuntu and its pain to install 18:11 VanessaE_ minetest is dead easy to build on ubuntu. 18:11 PilzAdam http://servers.minetest.ru/ 18:11 * VanessaE_ <-- xubuntu user. builds her own. 18:12 * PilzAdam <-- Kubuntu user. builds his own. 18:12 iqualfragile runing one on fedora 18:12 Basstard` <-- Trisquel user. Rolls his own. 18:13 mika__ i look to have the worst system, ubuntu 12.04 18:13 VanessaE_ mika__: 12.04 here too. 18:14 orbitaldecay mika_: It should be pretty easy to build on 12.04, I did it last week 18:14 orbitaldecay What problems are you having? 18:14 mika__ its just the terminal commands i don't get 18:15 orbitaldecay Ah, yes they can be confusing if you don't have practice with them 18:15 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L97 18:15 PilzAdam this 2 commands will compile it 18:16 RealBadAngel rotfl 18:16 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0&feature=related 18:16 RealBadAngel watch this 18:16 PilzAdam mika__, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHbCH4smxRQ 18:19 mika__ now i got to the server, but it doesnt draw the map 18:19 mika__ and the i respawn every few seconds 5-10 steps back 18:20 mika__ is glomis here? 18:20 PilzAdam mika__, maybe a bad internet connection? 18:21 mika__ i have a 2mb connection, but it shouldnt bug that much 18:30 VanessaE bbl 18:30 mika__ now im building the pack as the youtube showed, believe me it can still go wrong 18:46 mika__ how big connection does this take to run or is the server a dial up 18:47 mika__ i'm trying to get to a server where i don't see anyone online but i'm stuck in the air 18:48 mika__ im talking about minetest not this irc. my english aint that good and im getting frustrated 18:49 PilzAdam you tried different servers? 18:49 Isabella_ *yawn* im tired 18:50 mika__ havent found others 18:50 Isabella_ its been a very long day for me 18:50 PilzAdam http://servers.minetest.ru/ 18:51 mika__ almost all have protocol 11 and i have 12 18:52 RealBadAngel minetest.freedns.in 30000 18:52 RealBadAngel always up to date 18:53 RealBadAngel warnin: there is some music 18:53 mika__ ill try it. seems like that glomis server doesnt take more than 4 people 18:53 RealBadAngel let it cache for the 1st time 18:53 RealBadAngel so make a break while connecting 18:54 RealBadAngel damn, im done with circa half of the apples 18:55 PilzAdam gtg 18:55 PilzAdam bye 18:56 mika__ realbadangel, cache, what do you mean? 18:59 mika__ this server lags to with loading the map 19:04 Isabella_ im bored :( 19:04 Isabella_ and tired, i can go to sleep o my pc 19:04 Isabella_ *zzzzzz* 19:05 Isabella_ pǝɹıʇ sı ǝslǝ oɥʍ 19:12 RealBadAngel what? 19:12 whirm1 bye everyone 19:13 RealBadAngel c ya 19:13 mika__ RealBadAngel, similar error occured on that server 19:16 mika__ i watch system monitor now when i load that minetest.freedns.in 30000, it is download approx 10-15KiB/s and upload 1,3 - 2.0 Kib/s 19:16 mika__ or receiving / sending 19:19 RealBadAngel connect and wait like 5 minutes 19:19 RealBadAngel or wait 19:19 RealBadAngel a sec 19:20 mika__ ok 19:21 RealBadAngel sorry my ftp is somehow slow 19:22 RealBadAngel i have there all the servers cache to fast download 19:22 RealBadAngel but it seems to be down atm 19:23 RealBadAngel just connect and wait 19:23 RealBadAngel 1st connection will dowload all media 19:24 RealBadAngel once done, each next attempt will take a few seconds 19:30 mika__ are you running ubuntu? 19:31 RealBadAngel on this box no 19:31 RealBadAngel got it on media one 19:32 RealBadAngel 12.04 used to store media files 19:32 mika__ ok, i wonder how it is nowadays with ati and amd support 19:32 RealBadAngel shitty 19:33 RealBadAngel in my case drivers refused to work 19:33 mika__ i remember having problems when i had 10.04, the this 12.04 came and i installed windows xp but i got so crappy components that i havent found any system that would work 19:33 RealBadAngel radeon 19:33 RealBadAngel open source drivers work 19:34 mika__ ok, i still have 939 socket cpu 19:34 RealBadAngel but when you go for propertiatry... 19:34 RealBadAngel comedy starts 19:35 RealBadAngel Torvalds already told "fuck you nvidia" 19:35 RealBadAngel shall do the same towards amd 19:35 mika__ my specs : asus a8n32 sli deluxe, amd athlon 64 x2 4800+, 2gb 400mhz ram, 512mb radeon x1950xtx 19:36 RealBadAngel the vid is the problem with most nowadays installs 19:36 RealBadAngel those bastards refuse to release proper drivers for it 19:36 RealBadAngel shall be sued for it 19:38 RealBadAngel its a cartel 19:39 RealBadAngel they do it, but its like half a year after windows ones 19:40 mika__ vid? 19:40 RealBadAngel gfx card 19:40 RealBadAngel video in short 19:40 mika__ i think the main problem is 3d acceleration, like directx in windows 19:41 RealBadAngel main problem is monopoly made by gates 19:41 mika__ apple is taking over 19:41 RealBadAngel what? where? 19:42 RealBadAngel never saw an apple comp in europe :P 19:42 RealBadAngel heard of it just 19:43 RealBadAngel apple is unix like system anyway 19:43 RealBadAngel in fact i can even install mac os here on my pc 19:44 RealBadAngel http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-install-mac-os-x-on-a-pc-without-using-a-mac/ 19:45 RealBadAngel first found by uncle google 19:45 RealBadAngel so, whos takin over? 19:46 mika__ ok 19:47 RealBadAngel dont mess such things 19:47 RealBadAngel those r just operating systems 19:48 RealBadAngel apple uses the same hardware as ony others 19:49 mika__ yes, i don't understand the fanatics about apple and samsung, when samsung is the manufacturer of all parts 19:49 iqualfragile no, that cant be 19:50 iqualfragile there has to be some magic powder in it somewhere 19:50 RealBadAngel when i need a computer 19:50 RealBadAngel i take mobo 19:50 RealBadAngel choose processor 19:50 iqualfragile how could the take so much money for it if there isnt 19:50 RealBadAngel decide what kind of ram i need 19:50 RealBadAngel storage 19:50 RealBadAngel vid 19:50 RealBadAngel then take proper power supply 19:51 RealBadAngel coolers 19:51 RealBadAngel and assembly it 19:51 mika__ even the case costs a lot 19:51 RealBadAngel this one im on right now 19:51 RealBadAngel is water cooled 19:51 RealBadAngel slowed down 19:51 RealBadAngel designed to work 24/7 19:52 RealBadAngel sometimes i do reboot this machine 19:52 RealBadAngel never turn it off 19:52 mika__ i have 1 cpu fan with a block, 1 rear fan and the powersupply has a fan 19:52 RealBadAngel all the sounds come from keyboard and 2nd hdd 19:53 RealBadAngel when woke up 19:53 mika__ 1hdd an ssd or what they're called 19:53 RealBadAngel its ssd 19:53 RealBadAngel flash drive 19:54 RealBadAngel should say "drive" 19:54 RealBadAngel its pure electronic circuit 19:54 RealBadAngel no motors at all 19:55 RealBadAngel gives system an incredible kick 19:55 RealBadAngel no matter win or linux 19:56 mika__ yea, but they aint vheap 19:56 mika__ cheap* 19:56 RealBadAngel yes 19:57 RealBadAngel but thats way better to get older cpu 19:57 RealBadAngel older gfx 19:57 RealBadAngel with good ram modules and flash disk 19:58 mika__ i have a nvidia card on the bookshelf, neither me or my brother have found a computer where it would work, may be damaged 19:58 RealBadAngel before i was a fan of nvidia 19:59 RealBadAngel then after some kernel panics tried amd 19:59 RealBadAngel now i dont know really 19:59 mika__ its an 8800gtx 768mb card i have on the shelf. im just waiting for warranty to end on moms hp to test it there 19:59 RealBadAngel both producers piss off at linux users 20:00 RealBadAngel dont wait 20:00 RealBadAngel take +12v power supply 20:00 RealBadAngel connect + to the cards zero 20:00 mika__ ? 20:01 RealBadAngel and with the other end touch the circuit 20:01 RealBadAngel you will burn it to death, non traceable 20:01 RealBadAngel then sent it to repair 20:01 RealBadAngel they will have no choice just to replace it 20:02 RealBadAngel propaply with somethin newer 20:02 mika__ it's my brothers card and i don't remember when he bought it, if there is any warranty on it anymore 20:02 RealBadAngel check the warranty first 20:02 RealBadAngel the way i told ya 20:03 RealBadAngel i was workin once in computer service company 20:03 mika__ ok 20:03 mika__ you o 20:03 mika__ you aint that young that i expected in a place like this 20:03 RealBadAngel it was nice way to recycle old stuff and get new in place 20:04 mika__ haha 20:04 RealBadAngel i designed for it 4amps power supply 20:05 RealBadAngel with no fuses at all 20:05 mika__ ok 20:05 RealBadAngel toroidal one 20:05 RealBadAngel was workin like a charm 20:05 mika__ toroidal? 20:06 RealBadAngel round one 20:06 RealBadAngel the tranformer 20:06 mika__ ok 20:06 RealBadAngel *s 20:07 RealBadAngel holy shit 20:07 mika__ what? 20:07 Isabella whut 20:07 RealBadAngel she 20:07 Isabella oh yea its me :( 20:07 mika__ surprised of a female here? 20:07 RealBadAngel maaaaaan 20:07 RealBadAngel not a bit even 20:08 Isabella boo hoo hoo 20:08 RealBadAngel shes special 20:08 RealBadAngel you will see 20:08 Isabella waaaaa 20:08 Isabella waaahaaahaaaa 20:08 iqualfragile oh dear 20:08 iqualfragile not again 20:08 mika__ i cant get to this one server =( 20:08 iqualfragile someone get a doctor 20:09 RealBadAngel wheres beeeeeeer? 20:09 RealBadAngel i need antidote 20:10 mika__ RealBadAngel, is there any smaller maps to this game than that on minetest.freedns.in 20:10 RealBadAngel that general server is know to hold and serve all the new and up to date stuff 20:11 RealBadAngel so, plz try to connect 20:11 RealBadAngel wait 5 minutes 20:11 RealBadAngel later on you will connect in seconds 20:11 RealBadAngel worth waitin just once 20:12 mika__ swearing the server seems to work 20:12 mika__ i got into glomies server for a change 20:12 RealBadAngel i do play on this server 20:13 RealBadAngel partially its my fault it loads so slow 20:13 mika__ 176.31.175.144 30000? 20:13 RealBadAngel we added music there 20:13 mika__ ok, what nick you use here? 20:13 MiJyn mien 20:13 MiJyn *mine 20:14 mika__ realbadangel, do you play on 176.31.175.144? 20:15 RealBadAngel dns? 20:15 Isabella beeeer??? 20:15 Isabella oh, here i gots a server 20:15 RealBadAngel brought one? how sweet of you 20:16 Isabella no i have a server that will work, maybe 20:17 mika__ isabella, what version? 20:17 RealBadAngel im on minetest.freedns.in 20:17 Isabella 0.4.1 i think 20:18 Isabella why 20:18 RealBadAngel 042 rc1 20:18 Isabella how do you change nickname 20:18 RealBadAngel and latest build 20:19 mika__ tought of joining the server, i got 0.4.2 20:19 Isabella oh 20:21 Isabella minetes.mydns.co port 30005? 20:21 Isabella minetest.mydns.co sorry 20:22 RealBadAngel we do wait on you to join 20:24 Isabella ok im on? 20:26 RealBadAngel cant see ya 20:28 Isabella your not in -.- 20:29 RealBadAngel lol 20:29 Isabella really, its fun! :D 20:29 RealBadAngel minetest.freedns.in 20:29 RealBadAngel port 30000 20:29 Isabella oh im going to a fair tomorrow night :D im so excited! 20:30 Isabella sure try but the address in minetest.mydns.co 20:30 RealBadAngel sorry thats not my server lady :P 20:31 Isabella thats what server i am in -.- 20:32 RealBadAngel your bad luck 20:32 RealBadAngel pity 20:32 RealBadAngel what a shame 20:32 * RealBadAngel cries 20:32 * NekoGloop lol's at the topos 20:32 NekoGloop topic* 20:33 RealBadAngel hi gloop 20:34 NekoGloop Ho rba 20:34 RealBadAngel join the server 20:34 NekoGloop Ipad 20:35 RealBadAngel ahg 20:36 RealBadAngel i wanted to show you gloop ores effect 20:36 NekoGloop I know what they do 20:36 NekoGloop But only rarely 20:36 RealBadAngel man tune it 20:36 RealBadAngel DOWN 20:36 Isabella hmm 20:36 NekoGloop I've seen about 2 rainbow caves on the server 20:37 RealBadAngel i was lookin for my ores 20:37 NekoGloop Let's just say you got lucky, hm? 20:37 RealBadAngel i made them very rare 20:37 RealBadAngel and on the trip 20:37 RealBadAngel i could see just your all around 20:37 NekoGloop ... 20:37 RealBadAngel rainbow caves 20:37 NekoGloop Rba's just-a trollin' 20:38 RealBadAngel sure sure 20:38 RealBadAngel near my base is a buildin 20:38 RealBadAngel made of cobble 20:38 Isabella im bored now even though i still have sume chores to do 20:38 RealBadAngel beneath there is glooooooopish purple ore 20:39 RealBadAngel like 100 nodes 20:39 RealBadAngel in one place 20:39 NekoGloop 100 blocks or ores? 20:39 RealBadAngel look 20:39 RealBadAngel you made it 20:39 NekoGloop I cant -_- 20:39 NekoGloop And no i didnt make it :l 20:39 RealBadAngel all purple 20:40 mika__ is it possible to make anything else than tools with bronze or diamond ingots? 20:40 RealBadAngel ore decided to spawn on itself? 20:40 NekoGloop Huh? 20:40 NekoGloop If its in an already generated chunk... 20:41 NekoGloop It shouldnt spawn 20:41 RealBadAngel so why you said it wasnt me 20:41 RealBadAngel think some1 added it? 20:41 NekoGloop So ask muad, he must have either changed the code or someone has give privs 20:41 RealBadAngel for diamonds usage check technic page 20:42 RealBadAngel some machines and laser use diamonds already 20:42 bas080 plz add craft guide. that way everyone can see what can be crafted 20:42 RealBadAngel damn 20:42 RealBadAngel i didnt??? 20:43 RealBadAngel or shall i provide glasses for all users too ? ;) 20:43 bas080 I got mine 20:43 RealBadAngel bas 20:43 RealBadAngel in game plz 20:43 bas080 k 20:48 Isabella whats up with "the ores" thing! 21:03 RealBadAngel bas? 21:03 RealBadAngel ingame 21:05 RealBadAngel ywan 21:05 RealBadAngel nothin really 21:34 Octupus hello every1 21:34 Octupus i need some help 21:34 Octupus any1 willing to help 21:34 NekoGloop Not me 21:35 Octupus its easy 21:35 Octupus i just need help with uploading a adven map 21:35 Octupus me and my friend made a adven map and we need to upload it 21:36 bas080 no one that has experience with this??? well you do know where to find the map right? 21:36 Octupus how do we upload it with all the files properly that it works 21:36 Octupus yes 21:36 Octupus worlds 21:36 bas080 did you use any mods? 21:36 Octupus yes 21:37 Octupus tnt mesecon moreores 21:37 bas080 ok. then you have to make sure your saved map is opened with the mods installed... 21:37 Octupus how? 21:37 bas080 Why not make a nice bundle of the map and the mods that you used 21:37 Octupus yea but how 21:38 bas080 You drag your saved map to a folder and then you drag the mods you used to that folder too. 21:38 Octupus ok 21:38 bas080 Let people figure it out how they shoudl install it.... remember though make screenshots. give them a reason to play your awesome adventure map 21:39 Octupus yea 21:39 Octupus what im going 2do is make my friend 21:39 Octupus copy all the code he used and put it into a diff 21:39 Octupus notepad thing 21:40 Octupus then make him move it over to a file called mods 21:40 Octupus and and the map on it 2 21:40 Octupus then BAM it shud world right ? 21:40 Octupus *work 21:41 bas080 yeah, the map shouldn't be in mods folder. 21:41 Octupus ik 21:41 Octupus into 1 folder compltelty i guess 21:41 Octupus in the folder there is 2 mods and worlds 21:43 bas080 yeah that sounds good. What kind of adventure map is it? 21:45 Octupus a in the sky 1 21:45 bas080 what's the goal? 21:45 Octupus to complete challenges that are left 21:46 Octupus i think the next 1 will be a puzzle 21:46 bas080 wwhat kind of challenges? 21:46 Octupus finding certain type of blocks 21:47 Octupus build a house 21:47 Octupus build a mesecon door 21:47 Octupus stuff like that 21:47 Octupus and they cant cheat 21:47 Octupus because we put a cloud openning under it 21:47 bas080 ok. cool is it a adventure map or a game? 21:47 Octupus so if they fall they fall in water :) 21:47 Octupus map 21:48 bas080 and what then? 21:48 Octupus its a challenge map 21:48 Octupus make a fountain i shud put in aa challenge 21:48 bas080 what can you do when you fall in water? 21:49 Octupus something stops ppl from cheting 21:49 Octupus like if they try to leave they cant 21:49 Octupus by eguys 21:50 Octupus cp about 2 die 21:50 bas080 derpederp 22:02 Basstard` Is it tentacle erotica evening? 22:02 NekoGloop No it is not 22:02 Basstard` I see an octopus. 22:02 NekoGloop You perv 22:12 hmmmmmm how do you disable clouds? 22:13 Basstard` You blow them away. 22:13 NekoGloop You can make 2d clouds by unselecting 3d clouds in options 22:15 bas080 Basstard, get a life. Octopus is not a for sex. It's a very smart and interesting animal. 22:25 NekoGloop Y so quiet lol 22:26 bas080 long day 22:26 NekoGloop Lol 22:31 Basstard` bas080: Haha. 22:47 vicscandl meep 22:47 NakedFury hi 23:51 NekoGloop Hello people? 23:53 MiJyn hello nekogloop? 23:53 NekoGloop Yay someone's here :3 23:54 GTRsdk hey NekoGloop 23:54 NekoGloop :3 23:55 * GTRsdk loves NekoGloop 's gloopores mod 23:55 NekoGloop Thank you :3 23:56 NekoGloop Have you gotten all 5 of them? 23:56 GTRsdk not yet 23:56 GTRsdk I haven't played much for a while 23:57 NekoGloop Lol 23:57 GTRsdk been trying to get an easily distributable adhoc pack && server control panel setup 23:57 NekoGloop One's only in deserts :3