Time Nick Message 00:05 cornernote hi 00:05 cornernote where is the code that makes saplings turn into trees/apple trees 00:05 cornernote is it an ABM ? 00:05 NakedFury that code is no in default 00:05 NakedFury I think its still in the source code 00:06 cornernote in the c 00:06 cornernote c++ code ? 00:06 NakedFury I think so 00:06 cornernote ok, thanks 00:06 cornernote content_abm.cpp 00:09 NakedFury did c55 add vanessae dyes to default game? 00:09 VanessaE no\ 00:09 NakedFury well then he made a dye mod 00:09 NakedFury or sfan added a dye mod in his windows compile 00:09 VanessaE he went and added some lame thing Jordach did ages ago 00:14 RealBadAngel hi VanessaE 00:14 VanessaE hey\ 00:14 RealBadAngel just uploaded vid with the new stuff ive done 00:15 VanessaE cool 00:15 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMLb4kkbt8g 00:18 NekoGloop THE QUALITY! IT BURNNNNNSSSSSS!!!! 00:20 * VanessaE watches 00:20 NekoGloop Do tell me why the wires need to be underneath though 00:20 NakedFury well wires on top wont work 00:21 NakedFury but maybe he hasnt coded side wires yet? 00:21 RealBadAngel wires have to be connected from bottom 00:21 NakedFury ok a feature 00:21 NekoGloop he's coded them connecting to each other 00:21 NekoGloop and connecting to the bottom is stupid 00:21 RealBadAngel sides will be used to connect trasport tubes 00:22 VanessaE s/transport tubes/vanessa's pipeworks/ 00:22 VanessaE ;-) 00:23 RealBadAngel left side of the machine will used as input, right output 00:23 NekoGloop mind adding some other power sources? 00:23 RealBadAngel there will be other sources 00:23 RealBadAngel solars wont work underground ;) 00:24 NekoGloop e.g. water turbine, coal burner (you put an item in it and if it is a fuel it burns), etc. 00:24 NakedFury windmills, steam 00:24 RealBadAngel planned 4 sources 00:24 cornernote RBA: whats the charge/discharge box in the battery for ? 00:25 RealBadAngel coal driven generator, geothermal, solars, and nuclear 00:25 RealBadAngel watch the video 00:25 RealBadAngel to charge portable batteries 00:25 cornernote kk, i am only 1/2 way through =) 00:25 NekoGloop geothermal... provides power based on how low the node is? 00:25 cornernote no water turbine ? 00:26 RealBadAngel geothermal will work when both lava and water is around 00:26 cornernote can anything that is a furnace fuel work in the coal power plant ? 00:26 NekoGloop NEED WATER TURBINE >.> 00:26 cornernote RBA: both, or either ? 00:27 cornernote i need both lava and water i guess... makes sense cos that makes steam 00:27 RealBadAngel no problem to implement burnin anything 00:27 RealBadAngel btw portable batteries will be used to power tools 00:28 RealBadAngel like drills for example 00:28 NekoGloop "Charge" charges the battery from the battery box's supply, "Discharge" powers up the battery box with the battery's power supply? 00:28 cornernote rechargable tools lol 00:28 NekoGloop not picks 00:28 NekoGloop or swords or shovels or crap like that 00:28 cornernote can i cheat solar by putting a light above it ? 00:28 RealBadAngel no 00:28 cornernote nice 00:29 RealBadAngel have to be direct sunlight there 00:29 NekoGloop lol how does it check/ 00:29 cornernote that video is really nice 00:30 RealBadAngel light level above the solar panel 00:30 cornernote well, the mod in the video too =) 00:30 RealBadAngel about tools i also almost finished workshop 00:30 NekoGloop o rly 00:30 cornernote will it remain part of technic ? 00:30 RealBadAngel with power you can fix regular tools 00:30 NekoGloop So if it's bright enough above it, you can cheat it? 00:30 cornernote will technic be a modpack or just a mega mod ? 00:31 RealBadAngel complex mod 00:31 cornernote RBA: tool repair... i like that 00:31 cornernote RBA: may i suggest modpack ? it makes it easier for others to understand and work on smaller sections 00:32 RealBadAngel rather not, all in it depends on other parts of the mod 00:32 RealBadAngel all machines, tools, use same kind of power 00:32 cornernote the chests ? 00:32 RealBadAngel chests are already prepared for sorting machines (color marking) 00:33 * cornernote drools 00:33 cornernote then auto-crafting tables 00:33 RealBadAngel all is rather well thought as a complex project 00:33 RealBadAngel im just adding small parts to it when theyre done 00:34 cornernote are you at least putting things into their own files so its not a 1million line init.lua ? 00:34 RealBadAngel easier to make just small steps 00:34 RealBadAngel take a look on the code 00:35 cornernote not on github ? 00:35 cornernote im using ipad, easier to read 00:35 cornernote sec.. jumping to pc 00:35 cornernote ok, sorry i ment its easier to read on github when i am on the ipad 00:35 RealBadAngel i do store files on my own server 00:36 RealBadAngel never used such stuff like github 00:36 cornernote cool, i added it to my github repo 00:36 cornernote https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/technic 00:37 cornernote code is nice =) 00:37 RealBadAngel thx 00:37 RealBadAngel theres also some unecessary stuff 00:38 RealBadAngel need to clean it up before goin further 00:38 cornernote if you use github... it means (1) version history is done for you, (2) you don't have to package up a zipball, (3) you can read your code from any web browser 00:38 cornernote in addition, people can clone your code, improve it, and send you back a "pull request" 00:38 RealBadAngel hmmm i will try it 00:39 cornernote for example, mesecons has had code fontributed from many others outside the project: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commits/master 00:39 RealBadAngel added diamonds with the latest update 00:39 RealBadAngel was kinda missing them ;) 00:39 cornernote there is a diamonds mod 00:40 RealBadAngel yeah i saw 00:40 RealBadAngel but some strange non-technic ones 00:40 cornernote what do technic diamonds do ? 00:41 RealBadAngel cut metals 00:41 RealBadAngel to make coils for example 00:41 cornernote encrustable gems: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2596 | diamonds: (catn find it on the forums) https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/diamonds 00:42 RealBadAngel will maybe will use other mod diamods 00:42 cornernote http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2724 00:42 RealBadAngel i would rather wanted to see it added by moreores 00:43 RealBadAngel than makin it depend on some new other mod 00:43 cornernote yeah, good point 00:43 RealBadAngel tryin to keep deps as low as possible 00:43 VanessaE calinou is dead set against adding any more ores. 00:43 VanessaE "rainbow caves" etc. 00:43 cornernote i like those diamond textures tho 00:44 NekoGloop Well f*ck him I made gloopores 00:44 VanessaE I mean to his mod. 00:44 cornernote but it could be a mod that depends on moreores 00:44 cornernote calinou doesn't get a choice in it =) 00:44 VanessaE heh 00:45 RealBadAngel when im addin just one crystal needed by me 00:45 RealBadAngel its not also a bad solution 00:45 cornernote moreores comes with a function (add_more_ores() or something) .. thats what should be used to add diamonds in 00:45 RealBadAngel i just took a piece of calinou's code 00:46 RealBadAngel and generatin it same way he does 00:46 cornernote https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/blob/master/mods/moreores/init.lua#L40 00:46 cornernote which i think came from this (but it was before my time here, so not sure)... https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/blob/master/mods/addore/init.lua 00:47 RealBadAngel he has 2 versions of generating code 00:47 RealBadAngel new and old 00:47 RealBadAngel found out new one workin not so good 00:47 RealBadAngel so took the old one 00:48 RealBadAngel diamonds are rare so im not makin rainbows anyway ;) 00:49 cornernote i have too much cobble, no problem with rainbows anyway =) 00:49 cornernote the only problem is i hate items that cant be crafted to anything 00:49 cornernote cos it means i have to think about writing a recipe just for my 1 game 00:50 NekoGloop lol 00:50 NekoGloop all of my ores can be crafted into stuffs 00:52 cornernote like tin 00:52 cornernote its useful for nothing, and i havent even seen any other mods use it 00:52 RealBadAngel my uses 00:52 RealBadAngel and will use TONS of moreores 00:52 cornernote +1 00:53 cornernote =) 00:53 cornernote awesome 00:53 RealBadAngel and no stupid tools for sake of havin just more new tools 00:53 NekoGloop Tin makes bronze 00:53 RealBadAngel diamond will be used for diamond saws, drawplates 00:54 RealBadAngel and some machines will use them too, like workshop for example 00:54 cornernote NekoGloop, where did you get the names of your ores ? 00:54 NekoGloop my ass? 00:54 cornernote makes sense 00:54 cornernote but 1 question 00:54 NekoGloop wat 00:54 RealBadAngel but i wont make bronze by crafting 00:54 cornernote since nobody else understands how your ass works... how will we remember the names ? 00:54 cornernote lol 00:54 NekoGloop lol 00:55 RealBadAngel you will have to smelt copper and tin in alloy furnace 00:55 NekoGloop remember the colors ;) 00:55 cornernote akalin/talinite/kalite 00:55 RealBadAngel bronze then will be used for pneumatic tubes 00:55 cornernote they sound like linux desktop environments 00:56 cornernote desert coal/iron .. i like those names .. fits well with the desert sand/stone 00:56 NekoGloop desert coal/iron are just coal/iron generating in desert stone 00:56 NekoGloop nothing special 00:57 cornernote ok, you get coal/iron from them 00:57 cornernote i see 00:57 NekoGloop Kalite's edible and can be made into torches 00:57 NekoGloop Obvious MC Aether reference is obvious 00:58 cornernote how do the tools rate compared to wood/stone/iron/mese tools ? 00:58 cornernote (also, u should put the answer to that on the forum page) 00:58 cornernote edible and can be used to make things that burn.... mmmm tasty 00:59 NekoGloop Alatro: Somewhere between Stone and Steel for uses, relatively quick though. Arol: Nothing else compares for uses, although just as fast as wood (can bore through {cracky=1} though). 01:00 cornernote tool uses/speeds are really tricky for new users 01:00 cornernote you have to understand the API, then you have to read a bunch of code to know which is best 01:00 cornernote and then try to remember it 01:01 RealBadAngel i wont go that way 01:01 RealBadAngel my tools will use power 01:01 cornernote with low/med/high voltage ? 01:01 RealBadAngel and will be able to mine more just the one block at the time 01:02 NekoGloop I made gloopblocks within a day of looking at the API... and it had tools at day 1 01:02 cornernote RBA - earth_drill - https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/ed 01:02 cornernote NekoGloop, sure.. but how many people know which tools are better other than you ? 01:02 RealBadAngel something like it 01:03 RealBadAngel but will have to be powered to operate 01:03 NekoGloop cement is between steel and stone for uses and speed, evil is really fast but breaks quickly 01:03 cornernote RBA, yeah.. and maybe not as instant as this one... perhaps it can be a ABM to drill down while it uses power 01:03 RealBadAngel mining laser with works just beein crafted would be idiotic, dont ya think? 01:03 RealBadAngel *which 01:04 RealBadAngel you take a bunch of loaded batteries, the laser and then go mining :) 01:04 cornernote yeah, now we have a power source, lazers/lights/etc all make sense using power 01:05 cornernote RBA, lightsaber ? 01:05 RealBadAngel also could make sense 01:06 RealBadAngel i can provide later kinda API for folks to create own powered tools 01:06 cornernote i'd prefer less futureistic... more like hammerdrill/powershovel/etc 01:06 NakedFury early type mining devices 01:06 NakedFury steam powered type? 01:06 cornernote perhaps make them instant (or really fast) dig time 01:07 cornernote i like infinitytools for building/digging stuff really fast 01:07 RealBadAngel have you seen IndustrialCrafts mining laser in action? 01:07 cornernote but it bugs me they never run out 01:07 RealBadAngel i really liked to use it 01:07 cornernote never played mc 01:08 cornernote looking at this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w1A-OMNcH0 01:08 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w1A-OMNcH0 01:08 RealBadAngel oh yeah, found the same lol 01:08 cornernote ahh,with a projectile 01:08 cornernote nice 01:08 cornernote do u use the item_drop mod ? 01:09 cornernote wow, the lazer has modes 01:09 cornernote which changes the behavior of the projectile 01:10 RealBadAngel yeah, and that make it so cool 01:10 RealBadAngel you can also use it as a weapon 01:10 RealBadAngel its a laser :) 01:10 cornernote imagine how good you could grief with that! 01:11 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkI5iZmUs5Q&feature=related 01:11 RealBadAngel before you could even build it 01:12 RealBadAngel it will take lots of time to build infrastructure needed 01:12 cornernote maybe a griefing server 01:12 RealBadAngel power storage, lots of resources 01:12 cornernote with factions/teams 01:13 cornernote the goal, to not let the other team have lazers 01:13 cornernote lol 01:13 NekoGloop Oh yeah, one more thing with the kalite 01:13 NekoGloop it burns in a furnace, longer than coal 01:15 cornernote thought about making dyes from the ores ? 01:15 cornernote default game has no way to make dyes.. so it could be a good alternative to flowers mod 01:16 NekoGloop hm... would have to actually have rainbow caves then lol 01:16 cornernote eg, i have all my tools 01:17 cornernote and i have an excess of some jazzbright or whatever you call your ore 01:17 cornernote what can i do with it ? 01:17 _2cool4me4_ Great, DNS just stopped working 01:17 NekoGloop uhm... make ingots and if you're on a server, trade ;) 01:18 _2cool4me4_ Anyone on an online server right now? 01:18 RealBadAngel neko: if you need neat idea for mod, better than new tools 01:18 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=bidnZ4Lboyg 01:18 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3DojpEXPM ranbara, ranbara, ranbara... 01:18 cornernote ahh yes.. thats what we need.. a proper way to trade 01:18 RealBadAngel look at this 01:18 RealBadAngel construction foam 01:19 cornernote NekoGloop your videos are so random 01:19 NekoGloop no, they're what I'm listening to as I talk 01:19 NakedFury I dont click neko youtube links 01:19 cornernote you're not missing a lot 01:19 NakedFury thats way 01:19 cornernote that one was a little twisted 01:19 NakedFury why 01:20 NekoGloop It's a vocaloid song. 01:20 NekoGloop And I happen to like it 01:20 NakedFury we know, you keep posting that all the time 01:20 cornernote im not saying it was good or bad, just twisted 01:20 cornernote i didnt mind it 01:21 NekoGloop Rojira, Rojira, Rojira... 01:25 cornernote that foam is cool 01:25 tripod dem bones dem bones. 01:26 cornernote i cant wait until mt has more and better mods and examples than mc 01:26 NekoGloop i think i could do the block itself, i.e. pushing the player and solidifying 01:26 cornernote its just a matter of time 01:26 NekoGloop not the sprayer 01:26 NekoGloop i dont think i could do the sprayer to save my life 01:26 cornernote you mean a weapon that shoots a projectile ? 01:26 cornernote or the way the projectile works 01:27 NekoGloop both 01:27 cornernote seen fps modpack? 01:27 NekoGloop nope 01:27 cornernote mesegun + 50cal - with projectiles 01:27 cornernote https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/fps 01:28 NekoGloop lol i could just reference bows, which I have already 01:28 cornernote there was another one too.. a bow and arrow... cant find it 01:28 cornernote yeah, bows 01:29 cornernote throwing - http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=687 01:29 NekoGloop i know 01:29 NekoGloop jeija did more than mesecons ;) 01:30 cornernote the code is really small for that mod 01:31 NekoGloop which is kinda why its crap 01:31 * NekoGloop is now shot :3 01:33 cornernote which is kinda why its good example code to make the sprayer from 01:34 NekoGloop then do it yourself? Why are you asking the guy who's barely coded a handful of nodes xD 01:35 cornernote cos u said you didnt know how... sorry i mistook that for asking for tips on how to do it 01:37 NekoGloop ok fine 01:37 cornernote all i have coded is a sign and some random wiki that i doubt anyone other than me uses 01:37 cornernote so you're winning =) 01:38 NekoGloop lol 01:39 cornernote i just like reading code, i dont have much time to actually code/test things myself 01:39 NekoGloop lol ok 01:39 cornernote i think i prefer reading minetest code more than playing the game 01:39 cornernote i've definately spent more hours reading than playing 01:40 NekoGloop i barely managed to make an abm that makes a trap group hurt you 01:40 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VifumhRovfU&feature=related btw, here's the full song :P 01:41 NekoGloop and said trap group used lots of code from bobblocks 01:42 NekoGloop which reminds me, I never tested it >.> 01:42 cornernote ABM that makes traps deal damage: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/blob/master/mods/bobblocks/trap.lua#L155 01:42 NekoGloop I know. 01:42 cornernote =) 01:43 NekoGloop I modified it to work for a trap group 01:43 cornernote im just pasting what i am reading 01:43 cornernote ahh, ok 01:43 cornernote and it didnt work ? 01:43 NekoGloop {trap=1}/{trap=2}/{trap=3} 01:43 cornernote nice 01:43 NekoGloop They all deal different amounts of damage 01:43 NekoGloop Assuming the code isnt gonna bitch at me 01:43 NekoGloop Nice. 01:44 NekoGloop I place a trap. 01:44 NekoGloop LUA F*CKING ERROR 01:44 cornernote so.... [mod] traps (coming soon) ? 01:44 cornernote can u pastebin the code ? 01:44 cornernote and the error 01:44 NekoGloop uh.. its gonna be a part of my adventure-craft-esque gamemode 01:45 cornernote beause it defines a group type, would be cool to have as its own module 01:45 cornernote i'd use it 01:46 _2cool4me4_ Is anyone on an online server right now *offtopic* 01:46 vicscandl about to be 01:46 _2cool4me4_ what server 01:47 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/DguK9sD2 01:47 NekoGloop abm code and the error 01:47 NekoGloop the abm is in my default init.ini, i figured you didnt want to search through that ;) 01:48 MiJyn default.ini? 01:48 MiJyn *init.ini 01:48 NekoGloop init.lua 01:48 ray8888 init.lua 01:48 NekoGloop sorry used to coding for my gamemaker game, used the terms 01:48 NekoGloop it's called init.lua in the folder though 01:49 NekoGloop Any ideas? 01:49 MiJyn you use gamemaker? 01:49 NekoGloop YES NOW SHUT UP ABOUT IT >.> 01:49 MiJyn nice job 01:50 NekoGloop with what? 01:50 MiJyn using gamemaker 01:50 * _2cool4me4_ facepalms 01:50 NekoGloop ...? 01:50 NekoGloop I swear the IQ of the world drops by 10 every day 01:50 MiJyn it's a wonder that it still exists 01:50 _2cool4me4_ yep 01:51 NekoGloop I use the free version :D 01:51 _2cool4me4_ Derp 01:51 MiJyn lol, even worse 01:51 MiJyn can't you just write it in assembler or even C++? 01:51 _2cool4me4_ There's still a free version? 01:51 NekoGloop Well I have 8.0 Lite 01:51 _2cool4me4_ ohh 01:51 MiJyn oh 01:51 NekoGloop Windows bitchez 01:52 _2cool4me4_ wat 01:52 NekoGloop I use windows ;) 01:53 MiJyn it's a wonder that people are still using THAT 01:54 _2cool4me4_ Is true 01:54 NekoGloop ... so are we gonna shut up about windows and gamemaker and focus on my derpy code? http://pastebin.com/DguK9sD2 01:55 MiJyn why should we shut up about it? 01:55 _2cool4me4_ Because it's off topic 01:55 VanessaE because NekoGloop is oversensitive :-) 01:55 MiJyn and you have a problem with stuff being offtopic? 01:55 NekoGloop because you are all pussies who cant realise that windows doesnt crash nearly as much as you all say it does >.> 01:55 MiJyn isn't this the point of this channel? 01:56 _2cool4me4_ I am currently on windows 01:56 MiJyn NekoGloop, that is, until you try to do anything a developer would try to do 01:56 _2cool4me4_ That isn't true 01:56 MiJyn and then, BSOD (in my experience, anyways) 01:56 NekoGloop lol 01:56 _2cool4me4_ What did you try to do? And were you on ME 01:56 cornernote where you have this... 01:56 cornernote if minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups.trap == 3 then 01:56 cornernote try this 01:56 NekoGloop I have not seen a BSOD in my life... 01:56 _2cool4me4_ lucky 01:57 cornernote if minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups ~=nil && minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups.trap == 3 then 01:57 NekoGloop Probably because windows isnt made to run on laptops ;) 01:57 MiJyn 2cool, I never use ME! I used XP. I tried to install an nvidia driver (from the official website), plus tried to run some basic hello world in assembler code 01:57 MiJyn bang, BSOD 01:57 MiJyn and since then, I installed linux 01:58 _2cool4me4_ Then something obviously wasn't right. 01:58 _2cool4me4_ Anyway, Neko's code 01:58 VanessaE yay! my photorealistic texture pack now supports mesecons nodebox stuff :-) 01:58 NekoGloop Good for you :3 01:58 MiJyn of course! Windows NEVER has ANYTHING right (except for marketing) 01:58 _2cool4me4_ good job 01:58 * NekoGloop pats VanessaE's back 01:58 MiJyn nice! 01:58 * _2cool4me4_ pats as well 01:58 VanessaE and G*d in heaven 0.4.2 is *SLLLLLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW* in digging mesecons and many other unrelated objects 01:59 _2cool4me4_ PACK PARTY 01:59 _2cool4me4_ pat* 01:59 * NekoGloop extends claws 01:59 * _2cool4me4_ runs 01:59 * NekoGloop rips _2cool4me4_'s hand to shreds 01:59 * _2cool4me4_ is sad 01:59 * MiJyn takes out the almighty penguin 01:59 _2cool4me4_ NOES 01:59 MiJyn ... and the almighty GNU (yes, it's an animal) 01:59 _2cool4me4_ wait 01:59 * VanessaE quickly apples some softclaws to NekoGloop >:-D 01:59 VanessaE applies* 02:00 NekoGloop apples, yum :3 02:00 * _2cool4me4_ takes out The Flag of Fanboyship 02:00 NekoGloop Anyway: 21:54:41: ERROR[main]: ...1-d38b465-win32\vanilla\bin\..\games\adventuretest\mods\default\init.lua:1429: 'then' expected near '&' 02:00 _2cool4me4_ And the Droid of... something 02:01 MiJyn NekoGloop, you forgot a THEN! 02:01 NekoGloop No, cornernote forgot a then ;) 02:01 MiJyn lol 02:01 MiJyn cornernote, you forgot a then! (oh wait, you already saw that :P) 02:01 NekoGloop which is funny because he did put a then 02:02 MiJyn ah? 02:02 _2cool4me4_ oh, lua. 02:02 MiJyn why the & symbol? 02:02 MiJyn why not "and"? 02:02 NekoGloop it seems lua does not like logic 02:02 MiJyn lol, use english logic (like what python uses) 02:03 NekoGloop lol 02:03 NekoGloop it loaded but now the trap group does nothing 02:03 MiJyn ok, could you send the code? 02:03 MiJyn line 1429 02:04 NekoGloop one sec 02:04 MiJyn : 02:04 MiJyn if terriblecode & whatsand then print("hi") 02:04 NekoGloop if minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups ~=nil and minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups.trap == 3 then 02:05 NekoGloop whats funny is it checks if a field is nil then checks a value 02:05 NekoGloop within said field. 02:05 MiJyn if ((minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups ~=nil) and (minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups.trap == 3)) then 02:05 MiJyn "c"ifies the code 02:06 NekoGloop I'm standing in a spike pit >.> 02:06 NekoGloop not taking damage... 02:06 NekoGloop not even moving... 02:06 MiJyn invincibility mode is on? 02:06 MiJyn or did you find friends on #grief-minetest? 02:07 NekoGloop no invinciblilty is off 02:07 NekoGloop Ima try this: 02:08 NekoGloop if lua.hates.me == 1 then print("FUCK YOU") 02:08 VanessaE haha 02:08 MiJyn and it's gonna print that 02:08 NekoGloop yes it will lol 02:09 MiJyn it won't 02:09 NekoGloop ... I am so stupid 02:09 _2cool4me4_ what did you do now? 02:09 NekoGloop local functions cant call the variables of other objects, can they? 02:09 NekoGloop Why the hell did I not see that?! 02:10 VanessaE not if the other objects declare their variables locally :-) 02:10 VanessaE why? because lua hates you :D 02:10 NekoGloop well i dont think i can force a certain group to do that... 02:11 NekoGloop Well... it didnt work... 02:11 _2cool4me4_ Is anyone on an online server? 02:11 NekoGloop not me :P 02:11 _2cool4me4_ grr 02:11 VanessaE no, no one would EVER do that :-) 02:11 _2cool4me4_ AUGH 02:11 NekoGloop server i was on shot to hell so I went back to f*cking with lua 02:13 NekoGloop dammit why does lua not work 02:13 _2cool4me4_ Because it hates you 02:13 VanessaE because lua hates you :D 02:13 NekoGloop AND WHY THE HELL DOES NOTEPAD++ NOT AUTOAMTICALLY RELOAD debug.txt?! 02:14 _2cool4me4_ I don't see why not, it normally does 02:14 NekoGloop ... 02:15 _2cool4me4_ We're helpful 02:15 NekoGloop So... Um... Is everyone just going to insult my intellegence which is likely higher than yours, or are you going to help? 02:16 NakedFury if it was higher you wouldnt need help 02:16 NekoGloop maybe make it check "group" instead of "groups" 02:16 NekoGloop lolno I'm just tired 02:16 _2cool4me4_ It would help 02:16 cornernote local objs = minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius(pos, 1) --- you want it to hurt you when you stand next to the trap ? 02:17 NekoGloop lolwat 02:17 _2cool4me4_ loaded a server and lost connection, all in one action! 02:17 NekoGloop now its having issues with the creative inventory code? 02:17 cornernote oh, nevermind.. thats how bobs traps work 02:18 _2cool4me4_ I think I just caused a server to crash... 02:18 NekoGloop 22:12:11: VERBOSE[main]: error_message = ServerError: LuaError: error: ...la\bin\..\games\adventuretest\mods\creative\init.lua:67: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'creative_inventory_size' (a nil value) 02:18 NekoGloop I'm absolutly postive i did not edit the creative mod at all 02:19 cornernote i got that when i was running an older version 02:19 NekoGloop But, just for the heck of it, let's have a look, shall we? 02:19 VanessaE MY G*D. My neighbor is such a BITCH! 02:19 _2cool4me4_ randomness 02:20 NekoGloop VanessaE: Could you help a little? 02:20 VanessaE just went outside to retrieve something from the car, said hi to her. if she'd gotten any colder, dry ice would look warm by comparison 02:21 NekoGloop ok then 02:21 VanessaE NekoGloop: I think you can use the tostring() function 02:21 VanessaE provided creative_inventory_size is returnign something you could actually do some math on 02:21 _2cool4me4_ wait, you censor god but not B**** 02:21 VanessaE you sure it's returning a number and not a string? 02:21 NekoGloop i'm fairly sure 02:22 NekoGloop because i have not touched the creative code yet 02:22 VanessaE _2cool4me4_: G*d (or G-D) is Jewish habit, but I don't bother censoring curses. 02:22 _2cool4me4_ okay 02:23 NekoGloop aaaaany ideas? 02:23 VanessaE no sorry 02:23 NekoGloop note that I'm not doing this while Calinou is about ;) 02:23 NekoGloop Me: I have a mod problem 02:23 NekoGloop Him: Get off of windows then 02:23 _2cool4me4_ Lol 02:24 NekoGloop Him: Hur hur linux is teh beztz 02:24 VanessaE nono he'll make a comment about Arch linux first :D 02:24 NekoGloop lol 02:24 _2cool4me4_ Would you like a VM program? 02:24 NekoGloop nope 02:25 _2cool4me4_ kay 02:25 NekoGloop now that creative mod isnt bitching at me anymore (somehow a local got in a line that needed to share the variable being appointed) 02:26 vicscandl here is what i think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ 02:26 _2cool4me4_ Does Minetest sync anything? 02:26 VanessaE vicscandl: forget about that shit and look at the latest commits on my 512px pack :-) 02:26 NekoGloop nope 02:26 vicscandl VanessaE: snap, forgot to review that pack.. 02:27 _2cool4me4_ wierd... I could've sworn I made those changes to this world on a different comp... 02:27 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/commit/f01db377fbca4a61c792bef845df0345f13ff0cb 02:27 NekoGloop Well, I guess BEN came out of Majora's Mask then... 02:28 _2cool4me4_ nvm 02:28 vicscandl oh fuck, love the MT etch 02:29 NekoGloop VanessaE: Does that cover my mods (either of them) yet? 02:29 VanessaE neko: not yet 02:29 VanessaE I've been too focused on mesecons lately 02:29 VanessaE jeija and I have been coding and hacking on it 02:30 NekoGloop :P 02:30 keegan hello 02:30 NekoGloop technically one does not hack one's own code 02:30 vicscandl timers on the delayers is hawt 02:30 vicscandl uh, neko.... 02:30 VanessaE vicscandl: thanks :-) 02:30 VanessaE NekoGloop: technically one *does* hack on their own code 02:30 VanessaE by definition in fact 02:30 keegan how you doing 02:30 VanessaE hi keegan 02:30 NekoGloop "hack on" not just "hack" 02:30 vicscandl like V said, you are wrong.... 02:31 vicscandl it also depends on your view of the definition of "hacker"... i use Cliff Stoll's definition. 02:31 vicscandl and what it is to "hack" 02:31 FreeFull NekoGloop: I think not every node has a .groups set to something 02:31 FreeFull You should have something like if minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups != nil 02:31 VanessaE I use the 'proper' definition: to modify code to make it do something net. 02:32 VanessaE new* 02:32 FreeFull Or set .groups to something 02:32 NekoGloop See, now FreeFull is TRYING to help 02:32 vicscandl VanessaE: in a nutshell, that is cliff's definition as well.. 02:32 VanessaE I assumed as much :-) 02:33 VanessaE vicscandl: scroll down and look at the microcontroller :-) 02:33 keegan whats a average cpu ussage for a server? 02:33 vicscandl FreeFull: i've noticed that quite a bit...always having to remember that crap comes back ~= nil when i least expect it 02:33 VanessaE keegan: high :( 02:33 keegan around 80%? 02:33 NekoGloop 22:28:41: ERROR[main]: ...1-d38b465-win32\vanilla\bin\..\games\adventuretest\mods\default\init.lua:1429: 'then' expected near '!' 02:33 VanessaE depends on your computer 02:34 FreeFull I guess it's ~= and not != in lua 02:34 NekoGloop just out of curiosity, would adding default to its own depends work? 02:35 keegan mine jumps around to 20% or 50% or 70% my highest was 90% 02:35 FreeFull cornernote: If NekoGloop does what you say, he'll have to add the same condition to all three ifs 02:35 FreeFull I think he should just have another if 02:36 FreeFull MiJyn: But it's not written with capital letters =P 02:37 NekoGloop wat 02:37 NekoGloop he hasnt said anything for a while lol 02:37 keegan thats funny 02:38 keegan i only used one percent of data 02:38 NekoGloop lol minetest closed itself 02:41 keegan vicscandl what is cloud doing on my server? 02:41 vicscandl keegan: shrug 02:42 keegan he knows he cant build rigt? 02:42 vicscandl keegan: i'm not admin on that server and don't care to be treated as such. thanks 02:42 vicscandl keegan: but thank you for letting me build on your server. 02:43 keegan your welcome hes filling up my debug 02:43 vicscandl keegan: so disable it; meh 02:46 vicscandl keegan: yer server crashed 02:46 keegan ok 02:46 keegan no it didnt 02:46 FreeFull NekoGloop: Add another if with minetest.env:get_node(pos).groups ~=nil around the three ifs 02:46 FreeFull Rather than combining the conditions 02:47 vicscandl keegan: playin... heheeh 02:50 NekoGloop I gave up :P 02:51 VanessaE christ in a cartoon minetestserver is a CPU hog 02:51 vicscandl VanessaE: totally 02:52 vicscandl more the client and server on same machine issue... 02:52 * VanessaE watches it sustain 80-90% CPU while the mapgen is running 02:52 VanessaE I'm running client and server separately, on the same box 02:52 vicscandl yea, mapgen... 02:52 vicscandl its a hooker 02:52 NekoGloop Well you could always get a second computer ;) 02:53 vicscandl NekoGloop: i'm giving them away, but you prob don't want my old kit. 02:53 NekoGloop Lol i dont need another one 02:54 NakedFury anyway to have mapgen not be so extreme? 02:54 NekoGloop Would need the power cords and to blow out some dust on the other one 02:54 vicscandl NekoGloop: not sure on that one; have not looked into the biome code yet... 02:54 VanessaE NakedFury: c55 says it needs rewritten entirely. 02:54 NekoGloop What the hell? 02:54 NekoGloop Why do i give a shit about biomes? 02:54 vicscandl VanessaE: wonder what mathlib he is using... i've never checked 02:55 VanessaE vicscandl: no idea 02:55 NekoGloop vicscandl: Random highlight 02:55 vicscandl by design, the mt server aspect of running is quite tame... its the graphics front end that always is the hooker 02:55 VanessaE yeah but in this case, minetestserver is the CPU hog 02:55 VanessaE and badly so 02:56 VanessaE this is NOT suitable for "old computers" 02:56 vicscandl yea, i'd blame the mathlib first... 02:56 vicscandl oh hell no 02:57 NakedFury hell no what? 02:57 vicscandl VanessaE: oh hell no (its not for old computers) 02:57 NekoGloop Old computers 02:57 VanessaE [08-13 22:56] this is NOT suitable for "old computers" 02:57 vicscandl NakedFury: better? 02:57 VanessaE that. 02:57 NakedFury ohh 02:58 vicscandl wtf, drink another beer 02:58 NekoGloop Lol 02:58 vicscandl you need better focus than what you are rollin now. 02:58 NekoGloop Get the beer mod first ;) 02:58 vicscandl heheheh 02:58 VanessaE huh. How do I actually tell the server that "I" am the admin? 02:58 * vicscandl has a fridge-mod in the corner here. 02:58 iqualfragile1 in the .conf 02:59 NekoGloop Grant yourself privs 02:59 VanessaE (looks in config file) 02:59 iqualfragile1 set name = yourname 02:59 iqualfragile1 gn8 02:59 VanessaE OH 02:59 keegan can you grant your self privs in servers? 02:59 VanessaE no 02:59 vicscandl iqualfragile1: funny, mine reads 'set name = yourmom' 03:00 NekoGloop Assuming that you have privs priv, actually you can 03:00 vicscandl i kid 03:02 VanessaE hm, it's the client that's dragging while digging some blocvks 03:02 VanessaE blocks 03:06 VanessaE this sucks 03:06 VanessaE what the hell happened? 03:06 vicscandl with what? 03:06 VanessaE what was c55 thinking releasing this? 03:07 vicscandl newest git yea? 03:07 VanessaE (this = whichever commits slowed digging and mapgen it to a crawl) 03:07 VanessaE yeah, the very newest; just pulled yesterday and finally updated my working install to 0.4.2 03:07 NekoGloop That would be the fact you are playing on a server ;) 03:07 VanessaE (I also keep 0.4.1-release handy in a run-in-place install, for testing) 03:08 VanessaE NekoGloop: same happens in regular singleplayer mode. 03:08 vicscandl yea, i had a cpu spike issue 03:08 vicscandl VanessaE: i've been tossing around the idea of checking out back to stable for the time being 03:08 VanessaE NekoGloop: I launched a server+client pair just to see which half is at fault - it's the client that's slow as shit at digging, and the server is slow as shit in the map gen 03:08 NekoGloop I have 0.4.2-rc1, 0.4.1, 0.3.1. 03:08 VanessaE vic: do this please 03:09 vicscandl VanessaE: you win the "i found a double-blind assfuck" award 03:09 vicscandl aye, shoot 03:09 * vicscandl found a double rainbow... 03:10 vicscandl i hate having to blame the client when the server is the faluty one.. :) 03:10 VanessaE pull from git; build. Install the very latest mesecons. install my 512px texture pack. launch the game. Dig some dirt and observe the speed. Now give yourself a few wall levers, place them in the world, then dig them. observe the slowdown - possibly crash. 03:10 VanessaE (and it's not just mesecons, it seems to be anything that uses nodeboxes) 03:11 NekoGloop Lol 03:11 vicscandl VanessaE: gimme a bit here, was just starting a build of something... 03:11 VanessaE ok 03:11 vicscandl and i need to walk for some beer 03:11 NekoGloop Dont use realistic textures ;) 03:11 VanessaE vicscandl: also, after you do that, shut down the game, start a server separately, then connect to it with a separate client instance. repeat the digging tests. 03:12 vicscandl yea, the 512px textures are whats doing some damage.. 03:12 VanessaE NekoGloop: it happens with the default textures too, but my photorealistic ones make it easier to spot the CPU lag. 03:12 vicscandl at least on the client side; before they are there its just a transfer 03:12 VanessaE vicscandl: this didn't used to be a problem in 0.4.0 and early 0.4.1 03:12 VanessaE something c55 did seriously compromised the game's speed. 03:13 keegan gtg gonna go to bed 03:13 vicscandl VanessaE: i noticed it right away as ran a git of 4.0 just before c55 started making 4.1 changes... 03:13 keegan good night yall 03:13 NakedFury have you tried with 16x packs? 03:13 NekoGloop Lol i'm having no problems, your hardware is just shit ;) 03:13 vicscandl keegan: night 03:13 VanessaE NakedFury: default textures are 16px. 03:13 keegan you try madchickens texture pack 03:14 VanessaE by the way: 03:14 NekoGloop Go to bed you stupid griefer 03:14 keegan :(( 03:14 VanessaE the digging lag only happens early in the game 03:14 keegan how am i griefter 03:14 VanessaE after the client has been running for a minute or so, the lag goes away 03:14 NekoGloop Because you wanted hacked client ;) 03:14 keegan not anymore 03:14 VanessaE so it must be the map generator/receiver code or something 03:15 keegan actually i have one but i cant use it 03:15 NekoGloop VanessaE: That's due to some overflow in indexing all of the nodes, it's processing that and letting you play at the same time. 03:15 VanessaE you sure about that? 03:16 NekoGloop I'm 85% positive that's what's wrong. 03:16 NekoGloop Just wait for it to stop processing that part. 03:16 VanessaE NekoGloop: have you any idea how to fix the problem (properly)? 03:16 NekoGloop Other than removal of mods that cause said overflow, no. 03:18 NekoGloop Sorry :P 03:18 VanessaE sigh 03:19 vicscandl VanessaE: few more minutes and i'll test it out for you. server/client same machine or not? 03:19 VanessaE same machine, yes. 03:19 vicscandl ok 03:21 NekoGloop Oh god no 03:21 NekoGloop Put him back in bed 03:21 VanessaE seems to be okay with the default textures now. 03:21 VanessaE sigh 03:22 Keegan Change my mind I'm not going to bed 03:23 NekoGloop Nooooooooooo! 03:23 * NekoGloop runs 03:23 VanessaE I wonder if it's the crack animation that's the issue. I seem to remember this lag started at about that point 03:23 Keegan Haha 03:23 VanessaE (when the longer animation was added) 03:27 NekoGloop Stay out! 03:29 NekoGloop Well i wasnt expecting that to work but cool. 03:29 NekoGloop inb4 he rejoins again 03:30 NekoGloop G'night mrtux ;) 03:31 VanessaE evening thomas 03:32 NekoGloop Ima go to bed myself soon here 03:33 VanessaE noooooooo 03:33 NekoGloop What? 03:34 NekoGloop Just because every chat channel i grace i become the livelyhood of doesnt mean you get to make such a big fuss when i leave. 03:34 VanessaE ha! 03:34 VanessaE ha! 03:34 NekoGloop Not staying long 04:09 vicscandl hrm 04:23 OldCoder I see Keegan has settled in. And the Freenode Gods are dancing on the Netsplit fault or something. 04:29 khonkhortisan haha I picked up "Air (you hacker you!)" 04:29 khonkhortisan I don't even know how 04:29 khonkhortisan I was moving mesecons in the rain 04:31 NakedFury I think we have an incoming spammer in forums 04:32 NakedFury Newest registered user: wedding photography 04:32 khonkhortisan I concur. 04:32 khonkhortisan Google changed their favicon 04:32 NakedFury apparently its first pot was deleted already 04:35 MiJyn yep 04:35 MiJyn I wonder why they did that 04:39 khonkhortisan why? if you want a button you use mesecons_button:button_off. If you want a switch you use mesecons_switch:mesecon_switch_off. I already know it's a mesecon. 04:42 khonkhortisan I need something that can fall in-between nodes but doesn't have a per-block limit. Know of anything like that? 04:47 bulletrul hello i need help i am trying to install minetest on fuduntu 04:47 bulletrul aka fedora fork 04:47 bulletrul and i also dont have internet that will let me on to https sites 04:47 bulletrul can someone help me 04:48 khonkhortisan what's wrong with your internet? 04:48 VanessaE sorry, no. minetest is hosted from github 04:48 VanessaE unless you can figure out proper use of secure web connections (which is usually automatic), you probably can't fetch the code 04:49 cornernote just played with RBAs power mod 04:49 VanessaE now that said, 04:49 khonkhortisan I guess you can't do online banking 04:49 bulletrul khonk im not very money worth IM poor and i can not afford internet so i use my phone 04:49 VanessaE there is a daily-builds PPA for ubuntu 04:49 cornernote really nice, great recipies, and everything worked really nice 04:49 VanessaE if fuduntu or whatever it is can use that then you're all set 04:49 bulletrul all i need is someone to help me install it like upload it to megaupload 04:50 bulletrul vannese im unsing a android tethering app that blocks https sites 04:50 VanessaE cornernote: now try Mesecons, featuring Ultra-VanessaE nodeboxes and textures. They're awesomesauce! (TM) * 04:50 cornernote i saw them yesterday... they were sweet 04:50 bulletrul can someone upload it to megaupload 04:50 cornernote i redid my doors with microcontrollers 04:50 VanessaE [*] Awesomesauce and the Awesomesauce logo are copyright (C) 2012 Mark Traceur, all rights reserved, void where prohibited, no parking, deware of cat. 04:50 VanessaE beware* 04:50 cornernote why you need to upload ? 04:51 khonkhortisan can't you just copy the link and remove the s like so? http://github.com/downloads/celeron55/minetest/minetest-0.4.1-win32.zip 04:51 khonkhortisan oh wait wrong link 04:52 bulletrul becuase i need the source code to build the game vannase no it wont load :'( 04:52 khonkhortisan you're worse off than I am, my router only doesn't let me host servers 04:52 bulletrul poo i really miss minetest i wanna play 04:53 bulletrul khonk i dont even host servers ussualy play singleplayer 04:53 VanessaE bulletrul: what exactly happens when you try to visit the github link> 04:53 VanessaE what browser are you using? 04:53 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: you need to forward the port 04:54 bulletrul VanessaE: i am using chromium but my internet is a tether app that blocks https 04:54 khonkhortisan I need to reset my router or outsmart the person that has the password 04:54 VanessaE OHHH 04:54 VanessaE well get a real internet connection then :-) 04:54 cornernote he just needs 1 person to download the source and then upload it to a non-https site 04:54 VanessaE how do you do proper secure banking? 04:54 cornernote i'll do it for you 04:54 leo_rockway bulletrul: http://github.com/celeron55/minetest/zipball/master 04:54 leo_rockway source 04:54 bulletrul cornernote: THANKS MAN 04:55 khonkhortisan banking requires the s 04:55 leo_rockway cornernote: no need to. 04:55 leo_rockway he can get it from github 04:55 bulletrul leo_rockway: i cant 04:55 leo_rockway bulletrul: you can. I just gave you the link. 04:55 bulletrul leo_rockway: my internet blocks https 04:55 khonkhortisan that link works for me 04:55 leo_rockway that link is not https 04:55 leo_rockway just remove the s o.0 04:55 khonkhortisan try the link 04:56 bulletrul leo_rockway: it doesent work that way 04:56 bulletrul cornernote: i am linux 32 04:56 cornernote http://cornernote.net/minetest/celeron55-minetest-0.4.2-rc1-9-gb717b65.zip 04:56 leo_rockway no, he's right 04:56 leo_rockway it's redirecting to 443 04:56 * khonkhortisan doesn't know what 443 is 04:57 VanessaE SSL port. 04:57 khonkhortisan but has a clue 04:57 bulletrul ok i will download it it takes 4 min long time 04:57 leo_rockway the one in port 80 replies with a 301 message 04:57 leo_rockway bulletrul: I can download it for you 04:57 leo_rockway hold on 04:57 bulletrul leo_rockway: no need corner deed 04:57 cornernote dont complain about the speed, nobody else would even host the download for you =) 04:57 leo_rockway http://leorockway.com.ar/mt.zip 04:58 leo_rockway oh, he did o.o 04:58 bulletrul cornernote: im not complaning im thankful i have internet 04:58 cornernote ahh, 4 mins cos ur tethering 04:58 khonkhortisan the school's firewall is funny. It blocks websites but not their IP equivalents 04:58 leo_rockway yeah, tethering can get annoying, but it's better than no internet. 04:58 bulletrul leo_rockway: yep 04:59 leo_rockway bulletrul: do you want the game too? 04:59 cornernote yeah, he'll need that 04:59 leo_rockway http://leorockway.com.ar/mt-game.zip 04:59 cornernote u beat me =) 05:00 bulletrul ty leo and corner 05:00 leo_rockway np 05:00 VanessaE leo_rockway: is that the full engine+game two-parter? 05:00 bulletrul now to build can u help me build noob 05:00 VanessaE I guess so :-) 05:00 cornernote for what its worth... http://cornernote.net/minetest/celeron55-minetest_game-0.4.2-rc1-2-gd98eab6.zip 05:00 VanessaE bulletrul: there's a README that explains it. 05:01 cornernote yeah, on the HTTPS site! 05:01 leo_rockway bulletrul: what are you on? (OS) 05:01 cornernote oh, i guess readme comes with too 05:01 leo_rockway the readme is in the sources 05:01 VanessaE cornernote: no, in the archive silly :-) 05:01 bulletrul leo_rockway: fedora 20123 05:01 cornernote never think of looking in the downloaded code at the readme lol 05:01 VanessaE should be in the root of the engine sources :-) 05:02 bulletrul so where should i start 05:02 bulletrul from installing 05:02 leo_rockway there's a section "compiling on GNU/Linux" 05:02 bulletrul or ompiling 05:02 leo_rockway figure out the name of the dependencies listed 05:02 leo_rockway those are for Ubuntu / Debian; they should be similar in Fedora 05:02 bulletrul ik but i got the source so i should i start on this 05:02 bulletrul mv celeron55-minetest_game-* minetest_game 05:02 bulletrul $ cd .. 05:03 bulletrul wait oh depedndices ok 05:04 bulletrul umm hold on it says No package build-essential available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libirrlicht-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libbz2-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libpng12-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libjpeg8-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libxxf86vm-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libgl1-mesa-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libsqlite3-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libogg-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libvorbis-dev available. 05:04 bulletrul No package libopenal-dev available. 05:04 leo_rockway flood! 05:04 leo_rockway those are Ubuntu names 05:04 leo_rockway figure out the equivalents in Fedora 05:04 bulletrul oh 05:04 bulletrul while might as well let cmake end 05:05 bulletrul cant wait to play minetest 05:07 bulletrul what r some good mods so far 05:08 VanessaE hey jin 05:09 VanessaE bulletrul: it depends on what style of play you like 05:09 VanessaE moreores, moreblocks, bobblocks, and mesecons are popular 05:10 bulletrul cool i found a website http://linuxhtpcguide.blogspot.com/2011/06/howto-install-minetest-c55-on-fedora.html 05:11 VanessaE wget https://bitbucket.org/celeron55/minetest/get/tip.tar.gz <-- last I knoew, c55 didn't store his code there 05:11 VanessaE plus that's still an https link 05:11 VanessaE just do step one of that guide and then read the README for the rest. 05:12 bulletrul VanessaE: i aredy got the source just neede the name for the dependiceis 05:12 VanessaE bulletrul: hence "just do step one of that guide" :-) 05:12 VanessaE to get those dependencies 05:13 bulletrul yep IM GONNA PLAY MINETEST:-D 05:14 vicscandl i'm going to microwave your pets. 05:14 bulletrul minetest>minecraft 05:14 bulletrul lol even the puppies? vicscandl 05:14 vicscandl dead puppies arn't much fun 05:14 vicscandl but yes, even the puppies 05:15 bulletrul ok im gonna need some help here 05:15 bulletrul so i got the stuff what do i do now? 05:16 bulletrul i got the source and the dependicies 05:16 vicscandl https://youtube.com/watch?v=rcPvl6oEN-Y 05:16 jin_xi morning all 05:17 bulletrul jin_xi: good evening 05:17 VanessaE bulletrul: now you follow the README and build it :-) 05:17 VanessaE and it's done, just run it 05:17 jin_xi its moring here... 05:18 jin_xi n 05:18 jin_xi wish it was evening already ;) 05:19 bulletrul im confused $ mv celeron55-minetest_game-* minetest_game 05:19 bulletrul $ cd .. 05:19 bulletrul how to do that? 05:19 VanessaE bullet at the commadn line 05:19 VanessaE e.g. in a terminal 05:19 VanessaE but withotu the $ 05:19 bulletrul i mean i know that lol but what do i do like do i just type that 05:19 VanessaE (that's your shell prompt, it means "do this as a normal user, not as the administrator") 05:20 VanessaE just type it and hit return 05:20 bulletrul VanessaE: ik what a terminal is 05:20 VanessaE well then you should know how to copy&paste a command :-) 05:20 bulletrul ok 05:22 bulletrul -- The C compiler identification is GNU 05:22 bulletrul -- The CXX compiler identification is unknown 05:22 bulletrul -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/gcc 05:22 bulletrul -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/gcc -- works 05:22 bulletrul -- Detecting C compiler ABI info 05:22 bulletrul -- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done 05:22 bulletrul CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found. Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compiler path or name. 05:22 bulletrul -- *** Will build version 0.4.2-rc1 *** 05:22 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR = 05:22 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR = IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND 05:22 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_LIBRARY = IRRLICHT_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND 05:22 bulletrul -- Could NOT find IRRLICHT (missing: IRRLICHT_LIBRARY IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR) 05:22 bulletrul CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found. Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compiler path or name. 05:22 bulletrul -- GetText disabled 05:22 bulletrul ? 05:22 FreeFull Please use a pastebin if you have more than 3 lines you want to paste 05:22 bulletrul ok 05:23 bulletrul help! 05:24 bulletrul :-( 05:24 bulletrul hello 05:24 VanessaE bulletrul: you need gcc :-) 05:25 VanessaE build-essential in ubuntu or whatever fedora calls it 05:25 bulletrul how to install that yum install gcc 05:25 VanessaE and obviously you lack a recent irrlicht 05:25 VanessaE the guide you followed is probably out of date. 05:26 bulletrul so im gonna look up build essential in fedora 05:28 bulletrul ok so im pretty FUCKED 05:29 VanessaE naw 05:29 VanessaE you just need to figure out how to install a normal compiling toolchain 05:30 VanessaE I'm kinda surprised in this day and age that every linux install doesn't already have it by default 05:32 bulletrul http://pastebin.com/Zr9azkhs 05:32 vicscandl oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 05:33 vicscandl pastebin fuckall 05:33 bulletrul oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo? 05:34 bulletrul anyhelp? 05:34 vicscandl VanessaE: yea, well, nowadays most linux users don't roll their own either... 05:34 vicscandl bulletrul: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest 05:35 bulletrul vicscandl: canot go on https sites 05:35 vicscandl there is a readme on that page; follow it 05:35 vicscandl sucks to be him 05:36 bulletrul ok back can someone help me do this 05:38 bulletrul i might have found something 05:43 vicscandl bulletrul: nice, the neighbors open wifi always works... 05:44 bulletrul vicscandl: lol not anymore xD 05:52 VanessaE bulletrul: you really should get a real internet connection 05:52 VanessaE you shouldn't do software downloads over tethering 05:52 VanessaE you'll kill your cell cap real fast 05:54 vicscandl VanessaE: i was so going to say something to him 05:54 vicscandl hahahhahah 05:56 bulletrul VanessaE: got metro pcs thier unlimited 05:56 vicscandl bulletrul: but you can't browse https? 05:56 vicscandl sounds a bit limited to me 05:57 VanessaE bulletrul: you mean "Unlimited*" 05:58 VanessaE [*] Network management and data transfer policies may apply. See Terms of Service Agreement. 05:58 bulletrul well i got a erorr 05:58 VanessaE look closely at your contract, there's probably a statement very much like that buried somewhere on page 2489 05:58 bulletrul lol 05:59 bulletrul E=1 05:59 bulletrul -- The CXX compiler identification is GNU 05:59 bulletrul -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ 05:59 bulletrul -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works 05:59 bulletrul -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info 05:59 bulletrul -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done 05:59 bulletrul -- *** Will build version 0.4.2-rc1 *** 05:59 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR = 05:59 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR = IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND 05:59 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_LIBRARY = IRRLICHT_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND 05:59 bulletrul -- Could NOT find IRRLICHT (missing: IRRLICHT_LIBRARY IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR) 05:59 bulletrul -- GetText disabled 05:59 bulletrul -- Could NOT find OpenAL (missing: OPENAL_LIBRARY OPENAL_INCLUDE_DIR) 05:59 bulletrul -- Could NOT find VORBIS (missing: OGG_INCLUDE_DIR VORBIS_INCLUDE_DIR OGG_LIBRARY VORBIS_LIBRARY VORBISFILE_LIBRARY) 05:59 VanessaE seriously though, "Unlimited" plans are rarely truly unlimited. They just fail to tell you what your cap is until you are about to exceed it. 05:59 VanessaE and when you do, it'll cost you something on the order of 10 cents per MB 06:00 bulletrul no VanessaE thier is no contract it is unlimited 06:00 VanessaE bulletrul: trust me, it's there somewhere in your service agreement, even if there's long-term contract 06:00 vicscandl bulletrul: pastebin 06:01 bulletrul VanessaE: no no no no no lol there isint theres no contracs 06:01 bulletrul but i neelp 06:02 bulletrul dont make me go back to dosgames 06:02 VanessaE bulletrul: I already said that :-) 06:02 VanessaE bulletrul: trust me, it's there somewhere in your service agreement, even if there's no long-term contract <-- corrected 06:02 bulletrul LOL I NEED HELP 06:02 VanessaE sorry, I out a word there. 06:03 bulletrul or i have to go play doom on dosbox very fun game 06:03 VanessaE bulletrul: you need a recent version of irrlicht 06:03 VanessaE look it up in your fedora repository 06:03 bulletrul gow to get it 06:03 VanessaE (I guess yum) 06:05 bulletrul :-/No package irrlicht available. 06:07 bulletrul its getting late maybe we can fix tommorow im gonna go play doom 06:13 * vicscandl puts on another pot of coffee 06:14 leo_rockway doom on dosbox? doom is free, it runs natively o.0 06:29 cornernote anyone done anything to do with player trading ? 06:30 cornernote i might write something if nobody else has anything - http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=37722 06:30 VanessaE player trading? 06:30 VanessaE you mean like commerce? 06:30 VanessaE ah 06:30 VanessaE that's a nice idea in fact 06:31 VanessaE would be useful on servers with untrusted players 06:31 cornernote better than throwing it on the ground for someone to pickup 06:31 VanessaE exactly. 06:31 cornernote a nicer ingame experience 06:31 VanessaE might want to combine it with a money system as well 06:32 cornernote even if you trust the person 06:32 VanessaE well wait, that's not even needed - a trading system would extend to money anyway 06:32 VanessaE so you just need some coins (maptools has that) 06:32 cornernote theres a money mod 06:32 cornernote which looks really good in terms of code/tracking money/etc 06:33 cornernote but just to trade blocks would be great 06:33 cornernote got any sand? yep, but i want something for this 9 stacks... like 3 stacks of dirt 06:34 VanessaE right 06:34 cornernote oh how i need to spend more time finding better textures than sand and dirt 06:35 cornernote clicking the player might be hard 06:35 cornernote and might be griefable 06:35 cornernote eg, click someone to trade, and they dont want to 06:35 cornernote so, i was thiking .. maybe a trading table ? 06:36 cornernote then someone can sit and "offer" their goods 06:36 VanessaE naw 06:36 VanessaE players don't like to do that I've noticed 06:37 VanessaE so such a mod would have to also hold a player's health at whatever level it was on when they clicked 06:37 cornernote they wont sit for long, just during the trade 06:37 VanessaE that way you can't click on someone to trade with only to get slashed down while you're in the trade screen 06:37 cornernote i think you should be able to die while in trade 06:37 cornernote eg, someone puts lava on you 06:37 cornernote while in trade 06:37 VanessaE hm 06:37 cornernote you die 06:38 darkrose bwahahaha, trade ambush! 06:38 cornernote hahaha 06:38 VanessaE well I mean to be attacked by the other trader, not a third-party 06:38 cornernote both players cant attack 06:38 cornernote they have inventory screen 06:39 bas080 Need help with my mod >>> http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2784 06:40 cornernote "play chess" 06:40 cornernote sounds fun 06:40 cornernote why not start with checkers ? 06:40 cornernote that would be cool 06:42 cornernote im gunna go do a makeshift checkers board... 06:48 leo_rockway I think trading table sounds good 06:48 leo_rockway you don't need to be sitting all the time, just to trade. 06:56 NakedFury talking about implementing trade? 06:58 VanessaE would be interesting to see it used alongside the bones mdo 06:58 VanessaE mod 06:58 VanessaE two players step up to trade one is killed, now the table has a pile of bones next to it. 07:08 cornernote vanessa, or with money 07:19 bas080 cornernote, Making the 3d models for checkers is a bit easier. I will make the dutch version of checkers called dammen in that case. Which is a much better version of the game 07:19 bas080 Or chinese checkers is much cooler then american checkers. Trust me! 07:28 cornernote i just made connect4 =) 07:28 cornernote with sand 07:28 cornernote and glass, and all other stuff 07:28 cornernote but the checkers are sand, cos they fall 07:29 cornernote need red sand 07:37 RealBadAngel hi 07:37 FreeFull cornernote: desert sand 07:37 RealBadAngel nekogloop: try another with checkin. got same problem 07:38 RealBadAngel check for field value, not the if the field exists 07:38 RealBadAngel if field exists then u will got its value, if not then nil 07:53 bas080 Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has enjoyed #minetest 07:59 cornernote FreeFull, yeah, i used that.. but it would be good if it was more red 07:59 cornernote RBA, made myself some batteries,furnaces,etc to test your mod... really nice 08:00 cornernote everything works so well 08:00 cornernote 1 small request - make the select boxes the same as the nodeboxes... that way you can reach past them when smashing/managing stuff 08:29 RealBadAngel cornernote: problem is that there are 64 nodes for wires 08:29 RealBadAngel thinking what solution will be the best 08:30 VanessaE RBA: that's easily done 08:30 VanessaE the nodebox definition you use for each wire, pass it to the selectionbox also 08:30 VanessaE they use the same format. 08:30 RealBadAngel i know 08:30 VanessaE that's how I did it with mesecons. 08:30 VanessaE s/I/Jeija and I/ 08:30 RealBadAngel but there will be strange shapes of them :) 08:30 RealBadAngel will try how it works anyway 10:04 NekoGloop Hello, people of #minetesr 10:05 NekoGloop Er... Whatever 10:06 NekoGloop Wb MiJyn :) 10:30 cornernote now that mesecons has microcontrollers, is there any need for plugs and sockets ? 10:30 NekoGloop Nope, they're also disabled by default 10:31 cornernote im reading this half adder tutorial: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/Mesecons%20Tutorial.pdf 13:25 thexyz 123 13:27 Calinou 456 13:27 PilzAdam 789 13:27 Calinou 012 13:40 NekoGloop Hello again :P 13:42 PilzAdam Ive just release my farming mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=37767#p37767 13:43 PilzAdam could a moderator please move it to mod releases? 13:44 NekoGloop Lol begging will get you nowhere unless vanessae is about ;) 13:44 NekoGloop Lol as she leaves 13:47 NekoGloop Workbench mod needs souped-up-tools 13:48 NekoGloop ;) 13:48 Calinou PilzAdam, will do 13:48 PilzAdam thx 13:48 Calinou done 13:49 NekoGloop 4x4 grid could be used to make some slightly more powerful tools, and 5x5 can make uber-tools 13:49 NekoGloop Whatcha think? 13:49 * Calinou is trying the mod 13:49 Calinou nah 13:49 Calinou dont add too many dependancies 13:49 NekoGloop Well i would probably make it an extension of gloopblocks 13:49 NekoGloop Assuming you are talking to me 13:50 PilzAdam Calinou, dependencies added :) 13:50 NekoGloop Gloopblocks already depends on workbench due to rainbow blocks. 13:50 Calinou mod does not work 13:50 Calinou you must add a depends.txt with "default" 13:51 NekoGloop What's interesting is that this obviously isnt pilzadam's first mod ;) 13:51 PilzAdam updated 13:51 PilzAdam i forgott that i use the sounds of the default mod 13:52 PilzAdam and my farming mod is in worldmods so for me the default mod is load first 13:52 NekoGloop Hello...? Anyone want me to make said mod? 13:53 Calinou nah not really :P 13:53 NekoGloop Ok then 13:54 NekoGloop I'll make it but not release it then ;) 13:55 Calinou left clicking dropped item using an hoe = crash 13:55 Calinou please fix :P 13:56 PilzAdam will do 13:56 RealBadAngel wb 13:56 NekoGloop Lol 13:57 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Will any of your recipes require the workbench? 13:57 RealBadAngel neko: u have found solution with traps and nil problem? 13:57 RealBadAngel some of stuff wont be make in crafting grid 13:57 NekoGloop Nah, havent worked on it 13:57 Calinou I only seem to get pumpkin seeds when plowing grass 13:58 Calinou IMO, plowing grass should give wheat (common) and corn (rare) 13:58 Calinou pumpkins would have to be found in nature > gives seeds 13:58 Calinou there are no pumpkin seeds in grass IRL 13:58 NekoGloop Honestly i have no idea why groups is returning nil 13:58 RealBadAngel you can for example make coils with special workench and proper tools 13:58 RealBadAngel so listen 13:58 RealBadAngel dont check if the field exists 13:58 Calinou tilled dirt that is near water reverts to dirt 13:59 RealBadAngel check if field has a value 13:59 Calinou only dry tilled dirt should revert to dirt, not wet 13:59 RealBadAngel when field doesnt exist check will return nill 13:59 NekoGloop Btw im on my ipad so trying to help is not gonna do shit atm 13:59 RealBadAngel otherwise its value 14:00 RealBadAngel when u will check for nonexistin field, with its name just 14:00 RealBadAngel lua will show u a finger 14:00 NekoGloop Dude, there is nothing wrong with my code other than it's in lua 14:00 RealBadAngel i do check this way if node has field "cablelike" 14:00 RealBadAngel only cables can have it 14:01 RealBadAngel so i do check if "cablelike" == 1 14:01 RealBadAngel not if theres cablelike defined 14:01 PilzAdam Calinou, it turns to dirt when walking over it 14:02 NekoGloop If you have an idea, please, share, RealBadAngel. 14:02 RealBadAngel already told you :P 14:02 RealBadAngel read :P 14:02 RealBadAngel @pilzadam: posted in farming 14:03 Calinou PilzAdam, oh god no 14:03 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, i will do this 14:03 Calinou please don't make that-shit-restriction-that-adds-no-value-to-gameplay 14:03 NekoGloop How about telling me where and when to implement said line of code" 14:03 Calinou (this copies minecraft, too) 14:03 NekoGloop ?* 14:03 Calinou and this can't be avoided - sneaking doesn't prevent trampling 14:03 RealBadAngel @pilzadam: when u do this i will add it to my dependecies :) 14:04 RealBadAngel need rubber badly hehehe 14:04 NekoGloop He needs insulation for wires :P 14:04 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, k 14:04 RealBadAngel @calinou: so what? good ideas can be copied 14:05 PilzAdam Calinou, will remove it 14:05 Calinou it's not a good idea; it only pisses players off 14:05 Calinou it artificially grows the difficulty of the game 14:05 RealBadAngel game should be difficult 14:06 PilzAdam Calinou, its also under "experimental" in the code 14:06 Calinou if you want game to be difficult; add mobs 14:06 RealBadAngel its not intended to be point n click one 14:06 PilzAdam i just want to test this 14:06 Calinou there is "difficult" and "tedious" 14:07 RealBadAngel yeah 14:07 RealBadAngel but things shouldnt be simplified too much 14:07 RealBadAngel wanna play easy? play tetris or whatever 14:08 * Calinou facepalms 14:08 Calinou tetris isn't easy 14:08 Calinou playing it is. mastering it isn't 14:08 RealBadAngel lol 14:08 RealBadAngel youre right 14:09 NekoGloop Lol 14:09 RealBadAngel so watch that idiotic cat on youtube for 100hrs 14:09 RealBadAngel thats easy 14:09 RealBadAngel chuck norris watch that shit 3 times a day 14:10 cornernote is there any current way to prevent mesecons from connecting when next to each other ? 14:10 cornernote they connect on diagonals :( 14:11 RealBadAngel btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2Zf9tlg2Y 14:11 Calinou lol 14:11 RealBadAngel have you seen this? 14:11 NekoGloop Seen the slenderman mod for minecraft? 14:11 Calinou adding misa pack support to farming :) 14:13 cornernote im trying to make an LCD number display using pistons 14:13 ecube nice 14:13 cornernote tricky getting them to not intefere 14:14 ecube how did you manage it? 14:14 NekoGloop Use delayers, that's all i can think of 14:14 cornernote i didnt yet 14:14 NekoGloop Delayers only connect on the proper sides 14:15 ecube do they work backwards? 14:15 cornernote the pistons are too close 14:15 NekoGloop But obviously your processing will be slow as hell 14:15 PilzAdam Calinou, i dont make pumpkins spawn randomly in the world; you will get seeds by plowing dirt 14:17 Calinou finally did an harvested corn texture 14:17 Calinou #wasapita 14:17 Calinou PilzAdam, I only get pumpkin seeds :/ 14:18 NekoGloop Brb 14:18 ecube lazyness XD 14:18 ecube oh well 14:18 PilzAdam Calinou, you get pumpkin, corn, and cotton seeds by plowing 14:23 NekoGloop So now I make large tool crafting ;) 14:25 RealBadAngel ? 14:26 RealBadAngel bigger workbench u mean? 14:26 NekoGloop Workbench mod + lerger tools 14:26 NekoGloop larger* 14:26 RealBadAngel at this point i must agree with calinou 14:26 NekoGloop Whatever 14:26 RealBadAngel who the fuck needs 500 kinds of items? 14:27 NekoGloop The collectors ;) 14:27 cornernote what about sockets and plugs? what do they do ? 14:27 NekoGloop And people who want options 14:27 RealBadAngel wait for my electricity powererd toolls api 14:27 RealBadAngel and make some NEW tools 14:27 NekoGloop atm I'm just making larger normal tools 14:28 NekoGloop Wood, Stone, Steel, and Mese Picks are going to be in atm 14:28 RealBadAngel you saw vid on minig laser 14:28 RealBadAngel jetpacks 14:28 NekoGloop I dont feel like making images for moreores/gloopores larger tools yet 14:29 RealBadAngel make such stuff 14:29 RealBadAngel not another pick for christ sake 14:29 NekoGloop I could make a special tool that removes snappy/bendy nodes since no such thing exists >.> 14:30 NekoGloop Actually that is a good idea 14:30 RealBadAngel way better 14:30 RealBadAngel make something unique 14:30 NekoGloop Hmm... Hammers? 14:31 NekoGloop for snappy/bendy 14:31 RealBadAngel new kind of tool 14:31 RealBadAngel sounds ok 14:31 RealBadAngel BUT NOT THE NEXT PICK :P 14:31 PilzAdam NekoGloop, sowrds are for snappy thinks 14:31 NekoGloop but my swords are for the pain of other players ;) 14:32 RealBadAngel hammers, morning stars, maces 14:32 RealBadAngel think 14:32 NekoGloop lol morning stars and maces 14:32 RealBadAngel daggers 14:32 RealBadAngel whatever but no picks :P 14:32 NekoGloop I'm just gonna leave gloopores in its current state, it seems finished enough, no? 14:33 Calinou tilling a lot of dirt rapidly leads to a crash :/ 14:33 NekoGloop btw: In all I've only put 2 sets of tools in the game so far 14:33 Calinou also: just got one corn see :D 14:33 NekoGloop 4* 14:33 RealBadAngel make weapon mod 14:34 RealBadAngel with all the weapons 14:34 RealBadAngel when mobs will be there 14:34 NekoGloop So, between moreores, gloopores, and default, there are 8 sets of tools and then mese picks on the side 14:34 RealBadAngel make effectivnes of them to the specific kind of mob 14:34 NekoGloop gloopblocks added to the above makes 10 14:35 NekoGloop coalmod (which conflicts with unifieddyes, i dont use coalmod) makes 11 14:35 Calinou compressing texture pack... will upload soon 14:36 NekoGloop Mese set (dont remember the name of the mod) makes 12 14:36 NekoGloop Yeah, you're right lol 14:36 RealBadAngel and make deps as low as you can :P 14:41 Calinou misa pack update get! http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=274 14:43 PilzAdam Calinou, link is broken 14:43 Calinou ik - still uploading 14:44 PilzAdam you have ideas for new plants for my farming mod? 14:44 Calinou meh 14:44 Calinou btw you should rename "corn" to "wheat" 14:44 Calinou you don't make bread using corn 14:44 Calinou :]} 14:45 PilzAdam im not a native speaker so i will use wheat 14:54 PilzAdam should the soil turn to dirt when harvesting the plant? 14:57 RealBadAngel actualy you can make corn bread 14:57 RealBadAngel but its not common 14:59 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornbread 15:01 PilzAdam Calinou, version 2 will rename corn into wheat so you have to rename the textures 15:08 Calinou k ;) 15:10 PilzAdam I need some string textures (produced by harvesting cotton) 15:11 cornernote i made the number lcd using glowstone instead of pistons 15:14 cornernote lightstone 15:14 Calinou PilzAdam, let me make some \o/ 15:14 PilzAdam thx 15:16 PilzAdam Calinou, and can you make better textures for the harvested wheat? 15:17 Calinou hold on 15:17 Calinou so it should look like wheat? 15:17 cornernote http://cornernote.net/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1165055971.png 15:18 PilzAdam Calinou, yes 15:21 PilzAdam afk 15:23 Calinou https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/images/farming_string.png 15:23 Calinou https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/images/farming_wheat_item.png 15:23 Calinou WTFPL both of them 15:49 vicscandl yawn 15:50 saschaheylik morning 15:50 * vicscandl waves... 15:50 * saschaheylik bows 15:52 * vicscandl opens up his trenchcoat and offers you a calculator watch... 15:52 khonkhortisan do mesecon delayers work? 15:58 khonkhortisan are there transistors? I wouldn't want a pressure plate opening a door without power 15:58 PilzAdam Im adding a rubber tree to my farming mod; where should the player get the saplings? 16:05 jin_xi make a dubberduck mob 16:05 jin_xi *rubber 16:27 khonkhortisan who was it that posted a link to a mesecon adder world? 16:33 PilzAdam Calinou, i need rubber texture 16:34 Calinou rubber O_o 16:34 Calinou don't even know what it looks like IRL 16:34 PilzAdam be creative :p 16:35 khonkhortisan make a tire tread 16:37 Calinou lol, farming tires 16:37 Calinou you could add this as an easter egg 8) 16:37 PilzAdam :) 16:37 Calinou hoe made of nyancat heads sometimes gives tire seeds :} 16:37 Calinou (infinite durability) 16:37 Calinou lol 16:37 khonkhortisan we need rubber trees to make cars 16:41 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, u need liquid or solid rubber? 16:52 RealBadAngel hmmmm 16:53 RealBadAngel rather liquid, so i could postprocess it 16:53 PilzAdam k 16:53 PilzAdam Calinou, i dont need rubber texture anymore 16:53 Calinou k 16:54 RealBadAngel cook it, add a dye 16:54 RealBadAngel and have then couloured insulation 16:54 PilzAdam what i have for now is a tree wich you can hit with a bucket and the bucket gets filled with rubber 16:55 PilzAdam the tree is empty for a while after hitting it 16:56 leo_rockway PilzAdam: I really like your mods. 16:56 PilzAdam thx 16:57 leo_rockway no, thank you! 16:57 PilzAdam :) 16:59 Calinou and mine? D: 16:59 Calinou PilzAdam's farming mod is indeed nice 16:59 Calinou I vote for inclusion in official game :p 16:59 RealBadAngel PilzAdam: great solution 16:59 RealBadAngel i really like it 17:00 PilzAdam u have an idea where the player gets the saplings? 17:01 RealBadAngel some trees shall be generated in the world 17:01 RealBadAngel then player could collect saplings 17:01 RealBadAngel and make a farm 17:01 PilzAdam i will see what i can do... 17:01 * PilzAdam never used on_generate() before 17:01 RealBadAngel not much of them 17:02 leo_rockway Calinou: I don't remember yours o.o 17:02 RealBadAngel rather rare stuff to find 17:02 RealBadAngel then collect some saplings and make them grow to have rubber plantation 17:08 leo_rockway Calinou: did you make moreores? 17:08 leo_rockway I love that one too. 17:12 RealBadAngel yeah he did morores, but dont want to add more ores ;) 17:12 leo_rockway good, that's exactly why I love it. 17:12 leo_rockway I don't want >9k ores 17:12 leo_rockway I get confused o.o 17:13 RealBadAngel i quite understand him, but needed just a few more hehehe 17:13 cornernote microcontroller has 4 in/out ports (ABCD) .. but the ports can also be used to store a bit of data .. might be useful if they can have "virtual ports" (EFGH+?) 17:14 cornernote that way i think i can build a full adder in 1 microcontroller 17:14 leo_rockway I think MT should have an evolution style game, instead of survival... 17:14 leo_rockway you start with absolutely nothing... 17:14 leo_rockway exposed to the weather and the wild animals 17:15 RealBadAngel i played hard on mc 17:15 RealBadAngel with like 30 mods 17:15 leo_rockway and you should progress and make a place to live 17:15 RealBadAngel technic, magic, logic 17:15 leo_rockway and the objective would be to send a rocket to space or something o.o 17:16 RealBadAngel its really fun for example when u make huge tree farm 17:16 cornernote cool idea leo 17:16 FreeFull So like civillization, but with just yourself? 17:16 RealBadAngel that logic takes a week to do 17:16 leo_rockway FreeFull: that's what I was thinking... 17:16 RealBadAngel not the redstone one 17:16 RealBadAngel redpower 2 17:16 leo_rockway FreeFull: but I think it should be really hard to do it on your own. Very challenging. 17:16 RealBadAngel full automated 17:16 leo_rockway so the idea would be to cooperate to do that. 17:17 RealBadAngel you just put saplings and the machines will do the rest 17:17 leo_rockway but then you can have two towns, competing for resources 17:17 leo_rockway and raiding each other. 17:17 RealBadAngel or something i called The Mole 17:17 RealBadAngel autonomic bore machine 17:17 RealBadAngel with living space 17:18 RealBadAngel drillin head 17:18 leo_rockway RealBadAngel: I'm playing vanilla, to see what's MT doing right / wrong or could be adjusted. 17:18 leo_rockway I think MT is a lot better engine 17:18 RealBadAngel which is able to go anywhere any direction 17:18 bulletrul moruning 17:18 bulletrul i still need help with the game 17:18 RealBadAngel and for example lower down a mountain 17:19 cornernote hrm, maybe there is virtual ports 17:19 RealBadAngel was like 10*10 blocks, 60 block long 17:19 RealBadAngel whole packed with logic 17:19 RealBadAngel so user just sit and pushed buttons to control it 17:20 RealBadAngel got onboard sorting machine so shit landed in lava 17:20 RealBadAngel ores were smelted to ingots 17:20 cornernote i saw some MC cake-making machine 17:21 cornernote just had to plant a tree and press a button 17:21 cornernote then wait 17 minutes 17:21 FreeFull How did it work? 17:21 cornernote and voila, a cake 17:21 RealBadAngel and you could move it anyplace in the world 17:21 RealBadAngel with wireless remote even 17:21 cornernote no, it was like 15 machines 17:22 cornernote had auto-crafters, auto harvesters, etc 17:22 bulletrul can someone help me when i try to use cmake on the source i get this -- *** Will build version 0.4.2-rc1 *** 17:22 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR = 17:22 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR = IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND 17:22 bulletrul -- IRRLICHT_LIBRARY = IRRLICHT_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND 17:22 bulletrul -- Could NOT find IRRLICHT (missing: IRRLICHT_LIBRARY IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR) 17:22 bulletrul -- GetText disabled 17:22 bulletrul -- Could NOT find OpenAL (missing: OPENAL_LIBRARY OPENAL_INCLUDE_DIR) 17:22 bulletrul -- Could NOT find VORBIS (missing: OGG_INCLUDE_DIR VORBIS_INCLUDE_DIR OGG_LIBRARY VORBIS_LIBRARY VORBISFILE_LIBRARY) 17:22 bulletrul -- Sound enabled, but OpenAL not found! 17:22 bulletrul -- Sound enabled, but Vorbis libraries not found! 17:22 bulletrul CMake Error at src/CMakeLists.txt:65 (message): 17:22 bulletrul Sound enabled, but cannot be used. 17:22 bulletrul To continue, either fill in the required paths or disable sound. 17:22 bulletrul (-DENABLE_SOUND=0) 17:22 RealBadAngel install openal 17:22 leo_rockway and libvorbis 17:22 RealBadAngel youre lackin libraries 17:22 leo_rockway and please, use a paste service 17:22 bulletrul ok 17:22 RealBadAngel hold on for a link 17:23 leo_rockway and irrlicht 17:23 leo_rockway they should be in the Fedora repos 17:23 leo_rockway search for them 17:23 RealBadAngel http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx 17:23 RealBadAngel oalinst item 17:24 RealBadAngel brb 17:24 RealBadAngel goin for some shoppin 17:26 bulletrul :libvorbis-1.3.1-2.fu14.i686 already installed and latest version 17:26 bulletrul Nothing to do 17:26 bulletrul hmmm 17:26 leo_rockway does Fedora have dev packages like Debian/Ubuntu? 17:26 leo_rockway if so, install libvorbis-dev 17:26 cornernote no, u need 2 microcontrollers for a fulladder 17:26 cornernote i dont think u can do it in 1 17:27 cornernote i been thinking about it too long 17:27 bulletrul wtf ackage openal-soft-1.12.854-1.fc14.i686 already installed and latest version 17:27 bulletrul Nothing to do 17:28 bulletrul No package libvorbis-dev available. 17:28 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, what do you think? http://www.zimg.eu/i/3018913437 17:28 cornernote i really want to make one of these using mesecons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-segment_display 17:29 bulletrul so what am i supposed to do 17:30 bulletrul hello? 17:31 bulletrul anyine here 17:31 PilzAdam hi 17:32 bulletrul i need help 17:33 PilzAdam maybe the forum will help u 17:33 bulletrul i cant login to the forum for some reason 17:33 PilzAdam you allow cookies? 17:33 leo_rockway http://linuxhtpcguide.blogspot.com.ar/2011/06/howto-install-minetest-c55-on-fedora.html 17:34 leo_rockway seriously, it was like the 2nd result searching for fedora minetest 17:34 bulletrul yes leo_rockwayIK 17:34 bulletrul leo_rockway: i found that last night it is outdated 17:34 leo_rockway but you haven't even installed irrlicht 17:34 leo_rockway nor libvorbis 17:35 leo_rockway it shows right there that Fedora uses the -devel suffix for development packages 17:35 leo_rockway so instead of searching for irrlicht-dev you need irrlicht-devel 17:35 leo_rockway and there's probably a libvorbis-devel as well 17:36 bulletrul ok let me see 17:36 vicscandl woot! real work almost done! 17:37 bulletrul found it :D 17:37 RealBadAngel @pilzadam: its ok, they look distinct 17:38 RealBadAngel hi vanessa 17:38 PilzAdam hi VanessaE 17:39 bulletrul ok so libvorbis devel is donwloded 17:39 VanessaE hey 17:40 NakedFury hey 17:41 bulletrul no results found for irrlicht-devel :( 17:41 RealBadAngel ah, he wanted to compile it 17:41 RealBadAngel and i pointed him to windows runtime, lmao 17:42 bulletrul RealBadAngel: i use linux lol 17:43 RealBadAngel sorry, pal should read more carefully ;) 17:43 Calinou bulletrul uses noobuntu :) 17:43 bulletrul np just need help 17:43 bulletrul Calinou: nope fuduntu 17:44 RealBadAngel i do have kubuntu installed 17:44 bulletrul Calinou: a feddora fork 17:44 RealBadAngel but i do use win7 by now 17:44 RealBadAngel quite stable as for windows 17:45 bulletrul i hate windows lol i just need finish this 17:45 RealBadAngel latest linux distros pissed me off with propertiary drivers problems 17:45 Calinou fuduntu lol 17:45 RealBadAngel not their fault tho 17:46 Calinou RealBadAngel, what graphics card 17:46 RealBadAngel radon hd5550 17:46 VanessaE inb4 nvidia > ati 17:46 VanessaE ;) 17:46 RealBadAngel ubuntu 12.04 refuses to work with it 17:47 Crisco Arch Linux works like a dream for me. 17:47 RealBadAngel replaced the card with older nvidia 17:47 Calinou harshlinux sucks 17:47 bulletrul should i just disable sound? 17:47 Calinou RealBadAngel, use debian 17:47 Calinou bulletrul, why? 17:47 Crisco Especially with yaourt 17:47 RealBadAngel to test, but i guess it should work that way ;) 17:47 Calinou Crisco, go configure your OS 17:47 bulletrul Calinou: cause it wont compile 17:47 RealBadAngel 'nt 17:48 Crisco I can basically "yaourt -S " 17:48 bulletrul i get (-DENABLE_SOUND=0) 17:49 RealBadAngel @calinou: i do have quite nice configured win7, pc is turned off sometimes 17:49 Crisco Calinou: Contrary to popular belief, Arch doesn't need constant configuration. 17:49 RealBadAngel when i need to connect another hd or somethin 17:49 bulletrul arch is way to had at first but good 17:49 RealBadAngel otherwise its runnin 24/7 17:50 Crisco I only really have to do any configuration when I do a system update 17:50 bulletrul so is anyone gonna help 17:50 Crisco I'd have to do even less if I was consistent in updating 17:50 RealBadAngel i dont have any antyvir soft, and havent seen any virus here 17:51 RealBadAngel for like 5 or 6 months 17:51 VanessaE that's because modern viruses try to hide from you 17:51 _2cool4me4_ yup 17:51 VanessaE they don't impact system performance like they used to 17:51 bulletrul please can someone help 17:51 RealBadAngel hehehe 17:51 _2cool4me4_ nop 17:51 RealBadAngel dont think so 17:51 VanessaE most users would never know they have a virus if not for virus scanners 17:51 _2cool4me4_ yup 17:52 bulletrul im just gonna disable sound how to do that 17:52 RealBadAngel my system is always clean 17:52 _2cool4me4_ nop 17:52 RealBadAngel in fact i forked my own win7 distro ;) 17:52 VanessaE RealBadAngel: if you don't have a virus checker you cannot be sure. 17:52 VanessaE not if it's windows 17:52 bulletrul mine is linux so lol yeah no viruses that affect me 17:53 _2cool4me4_ Not true, just not many 17:53 _2cool4me4_ Linux and Mac OS are not immune to viruses 17:53 Crisco RealBadAngel: I don't even say that and I only use Linux 17:53 RealBadAngel all new shit i do run in sandbox 17:53 _2cool4me4_ I laugh at mac owners who think they're invincible. 17:53 bulletrul 2cool i know rhar lol but all the viruses found dont affect newer systems 17:53 khonkhortisan mac is vulnerable to trojans: executables that masquerade as images 17:54 NakedFury woah really? 17:54 bulletrul mac is almost a copy of linux 17:54 bulletrul i HATE STEVEJOBS everybody thinking he was god 17:54 Crisco I have ClamAV on my laptop. Not sureif that is the proper use for it, however. 17:54 bulletrul what did steve jobs invebt nothing 17:54 khonkhortisan a file has up to three ways of saying what filetype it is. One way says it's an image, so it's opened, the other way says it's an executable, so it's opened as that instead of the image editor/viewer. 17:54 bulletrul but back to the problem can someone help me disable sound 17:55 RealBadAngel speakers off? 17:55 bulletrul no on minetest] 17:55 thexyz bulletrul: -DENABLE_SOUND=0 17:56 thexyz also, pulseaudio can handle this 17:57 bulletrul thexyz it stills gives me the same eroor :( 17:58 thexyz lol, Calinou, not that shit again 17:58 thexyz bulletrul: sorry, missed it, which error does it give? 17:59 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, do you want to test the rubber? http://ompldr.org/vZjNzdg/farming.zip 18:02 khonkhortisan it won't let my circuit get stuck in a loop 18:04 RealBadAngel @pilzadam: dl'ed it, will try it later. now going to eat somethin 1st 18:05 leo_rockway Crisco: Arch works juts fine from boot without any configuration. The devs made sure of that. 18:07 Crisco leo_rockway: yeah 18:07 Crisco But a de or wm requires a bit of con figuration 18:08 Crisco But afterwards it is smooth sailing 18:08 Calinou Calinou: Contrary to popular belief, Arch doesn't need constant configuration. 18:08 Calinou setup is fun 18:08 Calinou :) 18:08 Calinou I can basically "yaourt -S " 18:08 Calinou yaourt -S outdated minetest version 18:09 Calinou yaourt -S broken grep 18:09 Crisco Never had a problem with either of those. 18:10 leo_rockway Calinou: yaourt -S minetest-git 18:10 leo_rockway so, nope.jpg 18:10 Calinou yaourt -S i am too lazy to install git so i put git in ur git so u can git in ur git 18:10 leo_rockway o.0 18:10 leo_rockway you can build minetest-latest from AUR 18:11 thexyz Calinou: what's problem with installing git? 18:11 leo_rockway it pulls dependencies, downloads the code and builds. 18:11 Calinou thexyz, see minetest-git - people lazy 18:11 Calinou leo_rockway, can you read a readme? 18:12 Calinou AUR is meh 18:12 leo_rockway yes, I can also be lazy 18:12 Calinou "this package lets you have spinning clouds." 18:12 Calinou seriously; have you read the "beginners' guide"? 18:12 Calinou it's like 50 pages and doesn't tolerate any mistake 18:12 Calinou debian's is even longer, but at least, you can FUCKING INSTALL IT without having to read it, that's what I did 18:13 thexyz oh, sorry, i almost forgot it 18:13 thexyz reading nowadays is such a hard thing 18:13 leo_rockway Calinou: what are you talking about? o.0 18:14 Calinou I can be bothered to read; just, a manual of that length isn't acceptable 18:14 leo_rockway you don't need to read anything to install Arch. It's just like Debian's netinstall. 18:14 Calinou from what I've seen the (text mode) install isn't welcoming at all; you have to set your keyboard layout manually and stuff 18:14 Calinou leo_rockway, what when you configure drivers? 18:14 Calinou TO THE VIM! 18:14 Calinou noone likes doing that 18:15 leo_rockway sir, let me tell you, that you're speaking out of your rear hole and without knowledge of it o.0 18:15 bulletrul ok i guess m fucked 18:15 Calinou heard its partition manager was a PITA to use too 18:16 leo_rockway > heard 18:16 Calinou sorry but I just don't like arch and this will not change 18:16 iqualfragile > hurd 18:16 Calinou arch users sound like - anime fanboys, - people who have nothing to do, - nolifes 18:16 * vicscandl changes the topic to: bash your favorite linux arch day... 18:16 Calinou iqualfragile, > kfreebsd 18:17 Calinou :) 18:17 vicscandl ty 18:17 iqualfragile srsly? 18:17 Calinou everyone can do that :p 18:17 _2cool4me4_ Wat 18:17 Calinou The 18:17 bulletrul wow no one is helping me 18:17 thexyz > its partition manager 18:17 thexyz wat? 18:17 Crisco I <3 Vim 18:17 Calinou eg. when installing 18:17 Calinou vim can go fuck itself; we have nano 18:17 leo_rockway Bash BASH 18:17 Calinou Zsh ZSH 18:17 leo_rockway iqualfragile: Arch Hurd! 18:17 Calinou (sucks too) 18:18 vicscandl jEdit 18:18 Crisco Lol @nano 18:18 _2cool4me4_ First time the topic was set since '11 18:18 vicscandl woot 18:18 iqualfragile uhm calinou 18:18 khonkhortisan how do I make vertical pistons? 18:18 Calinou khonkhortisan, not sure if you can :/ 18:18 Crisco Vim is a great IDE 18:18 * vicscandl whispers 'emacs'... 18:18 iqualfragile could you please repeat the part about vim and nano again? slowly 18:18 Crisco I use it on everything 18:19 khonkhortisan do delayers work? 18:19 bulletrul omfg dude no one is helping what happend to minetest? 18:19 vicscandl _2cool4me4_: topic change appears to be my fault. 18:19 vicscandl bulletrul: i showed up 18:19 _2cool4me4_ Ubuntu is my favorite. It's so great, I refuse to bash it 18:19 vicscandl hehehe 18:19 Calinou arch is more a tool to create your "own" distro. it's not a real distro 18:19 Calinou almost nothing is installed by default 18:19 Calinou it's like LFS 18:19 Calinou except noone uses LFS 18:19 vicscandl bulletrul: whats your issue outside of not installing it from the readme? 18:19 saschaheylik not quite 18:19 _2cool4me4_ NUUUU 18:19 saschaheylik its considered a hands-on distro 18:19 Calinou putting normal topic... keep it please 18:19 Calinou saschaheylik, === fapper distro 18:19 Calinou lol 18:19 saschaheylik with focus on high customizability 18:19 vicscandl Calinou: hahahaha 18:20 iqualfragile but installing arch was easy… 18:20 vicscandl Calinou: when was *I* given ops here... 18:20 _2cool4me4_ This isn't ontopic anymore! 18:20 iqualfragile just do it in a chroot 18:20 thexyz Calinou: that's not "its partition manager", that's cfdisk (afaik) 18:20 saschaheylik Calinou: no thats gentoo 18:20 thexyz you may, of course, use any you like 18:20 thexyz parted, fdisk, gdisk, gparted, etc... 18:20 saschaheylik gentoo is all self compiled 18:20 Calinou https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FAQ#Q.29_Why_would_I_not_want_to_use_Arch.3F 18:20 iqualfragile i like the virus-scanner fdisk 18:20 Calinou thexyz, "fdisk" and such stand for "fuck disk" 18:20 saschaheylik to get like 1% more performance for 10 times more time 18:20 Calinou see this page 18:21 thexyz Calinou: you, of course, know better 18:21 iqualfragile you do not have the ability for a 'do-it-yourself' GNU/Linux distribution. 18:21 Calinou I meet 4 of the "requirements" 18:21 thexyz yes, than just shut up 18:21 thexyz that page doesn't say that you need to promote other distros 18:21 Calinou namely 2, 5, 7, 8 18:21 bulletrul OK EVERYONE STFU ABOUT SOME STUPID ASS DISTROS THEIER ALL GOOD 18:21 thexyz just because you don't like it 18:21 saschaheylik what do you think of the name "AnkhCraft" - an ancient egypt themed game with mysticism, magic, high tech and pyramids? 18:21 Calinou the wiki makes me laugh 18:21 Calinou arch is recommended as a beginner distro 18:21 bulletrul LETS ALL AGREE TO ONE THING LINUX IS BETTER THEN WINDOWS 18:22 Calinou saschaheylik, don't use "Craft" :{ 18:22 Calinou YEAH OK 18:22 saschaheylik yes stop the off topic 18:22 khonkhortisan sure I don't have nagware about antivirus not being installed 18:22 Calinou their > they're, though 18:22 saschaheylik Calinou: got a better name? 18:22 * vicscandl suggests STFUlinux 18:22 Calinou meh, no :P 18:22 * Calinou suggets windows 18:22 Calinou oops 18:23 vicscandl wtf, who else is looking at the code for the mapgen issues besides me? 18:23 * _2cool4me4_ suggests Ubuntu 18:23 Crisco I started using Ubuntu when I was 11 18:24 vicscandl yea, thats right... its time to talk about mapgen you hookers 18:24 _2cool4me4_ wat 18:24 Crisco Then I switched to Debian at 14 18:24 _2cool4me4_ I can't install alternate OS's 18:24 Crisco And at 16 I switched to Arch. 18:24 _2cool4me4_ And at 18? 18:25 Crisco Maybe in a year I'll switch to gentoo 18:25 _2cool4me4_ lol 18:25 iqualfragile next is lfs 18:25 vicscandl he's about to find pussy, linux will disapear... 18:25 iqualfragile then the three bsds 18:25 Crisco I'll be 18 in a year 18:25 iqualfragile and after that… hurd 18:25 thexyz then mac 18:25 thexyz EOF 18:25 _2cool4me4_ NOOOOO 18:25 iqualfragile i have allready mentioned bsd, havnt i? thexyz? 18:26 saschaheylik guise... 18:26 saschaheylik topic 18:26 thexyz mac != bsd 18:27 saschaheylik not fighting the holy OS war 18:27 leo_rockway Crisco: Gentoo is good in theory, but it takes too long to build stuff... 18:27 Crisco I know 18:27 Calinou Crisco, next is android :p 18:27 iqualfragile yeah, mac is a ripoff 18:27 khonkhortisan touchscreens are bad 18:27 Crisco I'll probably stay with arch 18:27 vicscandl netBSD + apple == OSx... bastard child i say! 18:27 leo_rockway I'd switch to Arch HURD, but there are a few showstoppers still for me. 18:27 Calinou lol hurd 18:28 Crisco I'm using my Nexus 7 right now 18:28 Calinou why would you use hurd? it's so incompletze 18:28 Calinou -z 18:28 vicscandl btw, fu-all for getting me off topic 18:28 thexyz iqualfragile: what do you mean by ripoff? doesn't bsd license allow it? 18:28 iqualfragile it does 18:28 Calinou gtg 18:28 thexyz then what's the problem? 18:29 leo_rockway the tpc stack in Windows is also BSD 18:29 thexyz "oh, they take money for it" is not the problem 18:30 Crisco thexyz: fanboyisms 18:30 iqualfragile yep 18:30 Crisco Thats what it is for nearly everyone 18:30 VanessaE bbl 18:30 Crisco I try not to be a fanboy 18:30 Crisco But it happens 18:32 leo_rockway I'm a GNU fanboy, but I'm not an evangelist. I'm an advocate... 18:32 leo_rockway I'm a zealot for myself, not for others. 18:36 PilzAdam New version of my farming mod released: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2787 18:41 leo_rockway I shall try it soon! Thanks =] 18:42 PilzAdam gtg 19:07 bulletrul ok now i got another erorr http://pastebin.com/4B2YyFbK 19:13 khonkhortisan I can't stand on a moving movestone 19:20 Jeija khonkhortisan: I can't stand on a moving movestone << That's normal and there is no real way to change that, because it is an entity 19:23 NekoGloop I F*CKING HATE COMCAST 19:24 NekoGloop 4 hours without internet... >.> 19:24 NekoGloop So who's still here? 19:25 khonkhortisan the movestone keeps going past the end of the rail and the rail keeps not updating the ends 19:25 NekoGloop movestone is incredibly glitchy and outdated 19:25 NekoGloop it's a neat concept but fails to be useful 19:26 NekoGloop My Medium and Large tools are coming nicely... anyone want them other than me? 19:28 bulletrul1 wait will it work if i compile irrlicht 19:28 NekoGloop (only dependency is workbench) 19:29 bulletrul1 neko i might when im done compiling 19:29 NekoGloop ok 19:29 NekoGloop Medium is approx. 1.5x normal values, Large is approx. 2x normal values 19:29 bulletrul1 im compiling irrlicht so i can compile minetest lol 19:30 bulletrul1 oh 19:30 bulletrul1 fuduntu is good just needs other stuf 19:30 NekoGloop (obviously for times they're the opposite way, 1.5x less, and 2x less respectively) 19:31 bulletrul1 fok 19:31 bulletrul1 ok 19:31 NekoGloop lol 19:31 NekoGloop havent finished yet, probably take as long as compiling minetest 19:32 bulletrul1 yeah but im not complaninig 19:32 bulletrul1 atleast ill be able to 19:32 NekoGloop lol 19:32 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0gs0OrIBfI this is cool :3 19:33 _2cool4me4_ This is even cooler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 19:33 NekoGloop 8-bit Matryoshka, and the two VOCALOIDs sing it perfectly 19:34 NekoGloop _2cool4me4_: I'm making a medium and large toolpack, want it? 19:34 bulletrul1 now i get this E=1 19:34 bulletrul1 -- *** Will build version 0.4.2-rc1 *** 19:34 bulletrul1 -- IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR = 19:34 bulletrul1 -- IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR = IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND 19:34 bulletrul1 -- IRRLICHT_LIBRARY = IRRLICHT_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND 19:34 bulletrul1 -- Could NOT find IRRLICHT (missing: IRRLICHT_LIBRARY IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR) 19:34 bulletrul1 -- GetText disabled 19:34 bulletrul1 -- Sound enabled 19:34 bulletrul1 -- Using project jthread library 19:34 bulletrul1 -- Using project sqlite3 library 19:34 bulletrul1 CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but they are set to NOTFOUND. 19:34 bulletrul1 Please set them or make sure they are set and tested correctly in the CMake files: 19:34 bulletrul1 IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR (ADVANCED) 19:34 bulletrul1 used as include directory in directory /home/brandon/Downloads/celeron55-minetest-b717b65/src 19:34 _2cool4me4_ AHH SPAM 19:34 NekoGloop ikr 19:34 bulletrul1 2cool im not spaming 19:34 bulletrul1 i just need help 19:34 NekoGloop use pastebin for that kinda crap 19:34 _2cool4me4_ If you're gonna do that, use pastebin! 19:34 _2cool4me4_ Gah! 19:34 bulletrul1 ok can someone help 19:34 NekoGloop nope 19:35 NekoGloop i didnt compile ;) 19:35 NekoGloop i just downloaded the goddamn thing 19:35 bulletrul1 someboydy e;se while i have a rpm based 19:35 bulletrul1 os 19:35 NekoGloop he has a rpm based os? 19:35 NekoGloop he has a car for an os? 19:36 bulletrul1 i use fuduntu 19:36 NekoGloop God I'm bored >.> 19:37 NekoGloop At least most of my sized-up tools look decent... 19:37 _2cool4me4_ I'll take it! 19:37 NekoGloop the one exception being large shovels 19:37 _2cool4me4_ lol 19:37 NekoGloop I'm not done with the mod yet 19:37 _2cool4me4_ oh 19:37 NekoGloop but I'll put you down as you want it 19:37 bulletrul1 dude is this for help y arnt u guys helping 19:38 NekoGloop i'm getting it done today, so dont worry _2cool4me4_ 19:38 NakedFury what do you need? 19:38 _2cool4me4_ Because we have no knowledge to help you with 19:38 _2cool4me4_ But naked might? 19:38 NakedFury what is he trying to do? 19:38 NekoGloop compile 19:38 NakedFury on windows? 19:38 _2cool4me4_ If you look up quite a ways, I think he is trying to compile irrlct or somethiing like that 19:39 NekoGloop on funbuntu 19:39 bulletrul1 NakedFury: http://pastebin.com/caUvTpuU 19:39 _2cool4me4_ Shouldn't it be compatible with Ubuntu? 19:39 bulletrul1 no fuduntu a fedora based os 19:39 NakedFury ohh linux. dont know about that. can it be possible to send him a linux compiled version? 19:39 _2cool4me4_ ohhhh 19:39 NekoGloop who would compile on windws, there's a freaking downloadable exe 19:40 bulletrul1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuduntu 19:40 NekoGloop whatever 19:40 bulletrul1 im not compiling on windows i use fuduntu linux 19:40 _2cool4me4_ Shouldn't it be compatible with Fedora software? 19:40 NekoGloop how many other people are pissed off at the steel sword texture? 19:40 _2cool4me4_ Not now, neko 19:40 bulletrul1 yeah but thier is no .rpm for minetest 19:40 _2cool4me4_ :P 19:41 _2cool4me4_ I see 19:41 _2cool4me4_ bullet: try this: http://linuxhtpcguide.blogspot.com/2011/06/howto-install-minetest-c55-on-fedora.html 19:42 bulletrul1 god ive tryed that aready 19:42 _2cool4me4_ oh 19:42 _2cool4me4_ If you can make any sense of this: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/minetest.git/ 19:42 bulletrul1 ty though i need help thooughh 19:43 khonkhortisan I'm using 2 buttons and a 2 RS-flop microcontrollers because I want two wires to persistantly switch when I push the button. But the button turns off the wires that the microcontroller should've left on. 19:43 NekoGloop kewl 19:43 * NekoGloop trolololo's off 19:44 _2cool4me4_ Neko is being rather unproductive today. ;( 19:44 NekoGloop I'm being productive on my mod 19:44 NekoGloop Trying to focus all my brainpower into that 19:44 _2cool4me4_ But not on irc 19:44 NekoGloop sorry 19:44 bulletrul1 i aready got the source 19:44 MiJyn hi 19:44 bulletrul1 just compiling is the problem 19:45 NekoGloop Give it a soda 19:45 khonkhortisan I have an on wire going straight into an off wire 19:45 bulletrul1 hi mijyn can u help 19:45 MiJyn on wha? 19:45 NekoGloop he's compiling minetest 19:45 _2cool4me4_ Bullet: we can continue this on a private chat to not disrupt or be disrupted 19:46 * _2cool4me4_ slaps NekoGloop with a 4r8a9i11n13b17o26w trout 19:46 _2cool4me4_ Well that was a productive command 19:46 NekoGloop OH MY COD 19:46 NekoGloop :D 19:46 * _2cool4me4_ slaps NekoGloop with a big red brick 19:46 * NekoGloop used green dye 19:46 NekoGloop NOW YOU HAVE A GREEN BRICK! 19:46 _2cool4me4_ anyway 19:47 NekoGloop I need ideas for recipes lol 19:47 NekoGloop Picks, Swords, Shovels, Axes. 19:47 NekoGloop On 4x4 and 5x5 grids 19:48 khonkhortisan I have the exact same circuit on each side of the rail but one side doesn't work 19:49 NekoGloop how do I make mod A register its stuff before mod B but not have mod B depend on mod A? 19:49 khonkhortisan I asked that same question 19:50 NekoGloop did you get an answer? 19:51 khonkhortisan I didn't find out how to do it 19:51 NekoGloop ok then 19:54 NakedFury why do you want to do that? 19:54 NekoGloop So that it's optional to have the other mod installed 19:54 khonkhortisan there's reasons 19:54 vicscandl woot! found my starting point! 19:54 khonkhortisan like if I animated water, lava, and oil I still want water to be animated even if you don't have oil 19:55 NekoGloop Example: I want to make tools for moreores from within my mod and dont want to require moreores 19:55 NakedFury what does oil have to do with animated water? 19:56 NakedFury ok so you want to do tools that need ores from moreores but not use moreores? 19:56 khonkhortisan if oil wasn't loaded none of the animations would work if the mod depended on oil 19:56 NekoGloop I dont want to require moreores. 19:56 khonkhortisan there's a way to check whether a mod is loaded but I don't know the way to pre-load another mod 19:57 _2cool4me4_ Back to chat 19:57 NakedFury neko then dont make anything or do anything that touches moreores 19:57 NekoGloop fine then I have another dependancy 19:59 khonkhortisan mesecon loopbacks don't work so well 19:59 NekoGloop nope 19:59 khonkhortisan how do I turn on nodeboxes? 20:00 NekoGloop magic 20:00 khonkhortisan there's a variable to make mesecons not raillike 20:00 NekoGloop (aka repull from github its automatically set in the latest update) 20:00 khonkhortisan oh 20:02 NekoGloop youtube: the best gathering place for ideas for minetest mods 20:03 khonkhortisan that looks much better with nodeboxes 20:03 NekoGloop ikr 20:03 NekoGloop NekoGloop: I agree! 20:03 NekoGloop :P 20:04 NakedFury you want ideas? make tech above wood and stone tools require a workbench 20:04 NekoGloop i could probably do that but would need to rewrite the workbench mod 20:05 NekoGloop (wouldnt an anvil be better for that anyway?) 20:05 NakedFury can be changed later 20:05 NakedFury the idea is to need a workbench or whatever to craft stuff not have it all done by hand like it is now 20:05 NekoGloop Hm... I could probably do that... 20:06 NekoGloop Actually, let's see if I can 20:06 NakedFury workbenches start at 3 then go higher as maybe the player needs more space 20:06 NekoGloop there's commented out code in the workbench mod that makes the player have 2x2 20:07 NakedFury for real? I never saw that 20:07 NekoGloop i think so 20:07 NekoGloop lemme look 20:07 NekoGloop huh 20:07 NekoGloop must not be in my version 20:18 NekoGloop just redownloaded workbench from github... seeing how to get the inventory crafting to work 20:19 * vicscandl is attempting something impossible at this time.. 20:19 NekoGloop what is it? 20:19 vicscandl let me try it out first, and if it works, i'll gloat and let you know 20:19 vicscandl :( 20:19 khonkhortisan all I needed was two buttons and a double not loop 20:20 NakedFury another interesting idea would be to have the game use 2 hands or show both hands and have tools use 2 hands for extra power or speed. 20:20 khonkhortisan then you could stack tools up to two per stack? 20:20 NekoGloop that probably would take too long for me to do 20:20 khonkhortisan I don't think double hands can be done in lua 20:21 iqualfragile doublerainbow all the way 20:21 NekoGloop probably could be. 20:23 _2cool4me4_ Bullet timed out... 20:23 NekoGloop Anyone care to help me make 2x2 crafting grid in player's inventory? 20:23 _2cool4me4_ Why do you need a 2x2? 20:24 NekoGloop so that 3x3 workbench isnt useless ;) 20:24 _2cool4me4_ okay 20:24 NekoGloop lemme check if what's in the code already works 20:25 khonkhortisan my wires are too long the button turns them off before the not keeps them on 20:25 _2cool4me4_ What makes the 3x3 a 3x3 grid? 20:26 NekoGloop NakedFury: Happen to know anything that could help make the 3x3? 20:26 NekoGloop 2x2* 20:26 NakedFury no, I thought that was in source code 20:26 NekoGloop Well I only need help on one thing 20:26 NekoGloop (in lua) 20:26 _2cool4me4_ menot know lua 20:26 NekoGloop Torches craft like this: 20:26 NekoGloop C - 20:26 NekoGloop - S 20:27 NekoGloop Instead of: 20:27 NekoGloop C - 20:27 NekoGloop S - 20:27 NekoGloop So, yes, it works, and is recognized as a crafting grid. 20:27 thexyz that's because part of crafting algorithm is hardcoded 20:27 NekoGloop D: 20:27 thexyz so you can't change that from lua 20:27 NekoGloop Dammit 20:28 khonkhortisan I think I need a repeater on the double not circuit for the movestone rail 20:28 NekoGloop Why do these things never work lol 20:28 NekoGloop >repeater 20:28 NekoGloop >minetest 20:28 NekoGloop dafuq? 20:29 khonkhortisan I need a repeater, the button turns on the wire, the signal doesn't reach the not circuit before the button turns the wire back off again. 20:29 khonkhortisan I need to repeat the nots 20:29 NekoGloop so the only way to make this work would to make all the recipes for the inventory grid be shapeless? 20:29 NekoGloop Oh, I have an idea. 20:29 NekoGloop Grr... but I'd need to edit default. 20:29 thexyz that's TOO hacky 20:29 khonkhortisan just redo all the recipes 20:30 thexyz good way to make it works is to write a patch & send it to celeron 20:30 NekoGloop lolno 20:30 thexyz actually, redoing recipes in special way would work 20:30 NekoGloop by now everyone should know I cant code C++ worth shit 20:31 NekoGloop Either I'd need to smack one hell of a lot of code into the workbench mod or I'd need to edit default 20:31 saschaheylik_ i can if its improtant 20:31 NekoGloop Make 2x2 grids work? 20:31 NekoGloop Yes, please do. 20:31 saschaheylik_ 2x2 grids? 20:31 NekoGloop yus 20:32 NekoGloop example: commented out code in workbench mod 20:32 saschaheylik_ i have no idea what that is 20:32 NekoGloop it changes player's inventory to 2x2 crafting 20:32 NekoGloop but torches are craft like: 20:32 NekoGloop C - 20:32 NekoGloop - S 20:32 NekoGloop instead of 20:32 khonkhortisan now I'm confused. The circuit is working perfectly and all I did was push all the buttons 20:32 NekoGloop C - 20:32 NekoGloop S - 20:33 saschaheylik_ NekoGloop: oh right so the boxes are arranged in the wrong order? 20:33 NekoGloop no, it's part of the source code 20:33 saschaheylik_ yes i know 20:33 NekoGloop crafting algorithm 20:33 NekoGloop if you can fix it please do so 20:33 saschaheylik_ yes i know that the game is made from source code... 20:34 saschaheylik_ ok ill check it out 20:34 saschaheylik_ first i will test it 20:34 saschaheylik_ because thats how i roll 20:34 NekoGloop Well, you should distribute the patch ;) 20:34 NekoGloop assuming you can do it 20:34 khonkhortisan ugh I extended the wire and the buttons start leaving the wire off again 20:35 saschaheylik_ i can submit code on github i got a fork there 20:35 NekoGloop ok 20:35 NekoGloop please do so ;) 20:36 saschaheylik_ how do i change to 2x2 crafting? 20:36 NekoGloop uncomment the code at the top of the github version 20:36 NekoGloop "-- uncomment the next 6 lines to restrict players to a 2x2 inventory craft grid" 20:37 NekoGloop the 6 lines after that ;) 20:38 saschaheylik_ where does it say that? 20:38 NekoGloop at the top 20:38 saschaheylik_ the top of what... 20:38 NekoGloop in the github version only 20:38 saschaheylik_ of what file 20:38 NekoGloop THE TOP OF THE FREAKIN LUA 20:38 saschaheylik_ "the lua" ? 20:38 saschaheylik_ i need a filename 20:38 iqualfragile init.lua 20:38 saschaheylik_ thank you 20:39 NekoGloop init.lua, the only one in the workbench mod's folder 20:39 thexyz search inventorymanager.cpp for "// TODO: Allow different sizes of crafting grids" 20:39 iqualfragile pilzadam: is there a repos or something for your farming-mod? 20:40 saschaheylik_ NekoGloop: what workbench mod? 20:40 saschaheylik_ i have minetest from github nothing added 20:40 NekoGloop https://github.com/darkrose/minetest_mods >.> 20:40 saschaheylik_ what >.> how the fuck should i know 20:40 NekoGloop the workbench folder in that >.> 20:40 saschaheylik_ alright... 20:41 NekoGloop WELL IF YOU WOULD JUST LOOK AT MOD RELEASES FOR HALF A FREAKING SECOND 20:41 saschaheylik_ geez if you are that thankful why dont you do it yourself 20:41 saschaheylik_ i dont spend my day looking at mod releases 20:41 NakedFury way to go neko 20:41 NekoGloop Well whatever 20:41 NekoGloop Then I do my fix for it from lua 20:42 NekoGloop (aka commenting out the code) 20:43 saschaheylik_ knock yourself out 20:43 NekoGloop well since you are just as unhelpful as anyone else on this chat 20:44 saschaheylik_ lol maybe it has somehting to do with your way of asking? 20:44 NekoGloop after getting treated like a retard for the umpteenth time in addition to getting my internet cut off for 4 hours? 20:44 khonkhortisan ? I had desert sand fall and it turned a torch, rail, and mesecon into items instead of nodes 20:46 NekoGloop funny desert sand treats torch/rail/mesecons as air for me... 20:46 saschaheylik_ NekoGloop: why would anyone treat NekoGloop like a retard? 20:46 NekoGloop Because they're asses. And I see what you did there. 20:46 saschaheylik_ if you say so 20:47 NekoGloop where would I go get the source code so I can f*ck things up my self? 20:47 NekoGloop (windows) 20:48 saschaheylik_ if you have the ask, you can't. 20:48 saschaheylik_ *to 20:48 NekoGloop ... like I said. Asses. 20:49 saschaheylik_ something like that 20:49 vicscandl ahhh c++, how i have missed thee... 20:49 NekoGloop ? 20:50 vicscandl i'm halting my mod dev and applying my skills elsewere; the real code. 20:50 saschaheylik_ nice 20:50 saschaheylik_ then we are 3? now? 20:50 NekoGloop ...? 20:50 saschaheylik_ you, me and cel? 20:50 saschaheylik_ rose? 20:50 vicscandl uh now 20:50 saschaheylik_ 4? 20:50 vicscandl no 20:51 saschaheylik_ no 20:51 vicscandl no as in, not yet 20:51 vicscandl i will decide if and when that will be. 20:52 vicscandl plugging all your memory leak issues right now 20:53 NekoGloop after that could you see about 2x2 crafting grids being possible? 20:53 saschaheylik_ if you ask nicely and dont get mad at us, eventually. 20:53 vicscandl NekoGloop: no, i can not 20:54 NekoGloop Ahem... Please see to 2x2 crafting grids being possible, good sirs? 20:56 NekoGloop Alright... i found the source on github... now where's inventorymanager.cpp... 20:56 saschaheylik_ dont forget that there are more important issues that 2x2 crafting grids 20:56 saschaheylik_ in src/ 20:56 NekoGloop dont forget I dont care. 20:56 saschaheylik_ how old are you? 20:56 NakedFury in the name of progress and modding community could you see it in your heart of hearts, in the deepest part of your coding soul to make it possible to change with lua the player craft grid? thats how you ask by the way 20:57 saschaheylik_ NakedFury: +1 20:57 saschaheylik_ rofl 20:57 saschaheylik_ ragequit xD 20:57 vicscandl craft grid is secondary to a proper engine that does not fuckback your cpu 20:58 saschaheylik_ fuck i just dropped my ice coffee cup 20:58 vicscandl i got your 2x2 crafting grid hanging... 20:58 saschaheylik_ good i didnt spill to omuch 20:58 saschaheylik_ yep 20:58 vicscandl saschaheylik_: nice, i just put more ice in the, um... tobacco water pipe... ??? .... 20:58 saschaheylik_ haha 20:59 saschaheylik_ i dont have any ice but im a coder. i convert caffeine to code. 20:59 vicscandl hahaha, hold for image 20:59 saschaheylik_ oh welcome back NekoGloop 21:00 saschaheylik_ haha 21:00 saschaheylik_ or not 21:00 saschaheylik_ wb? 21:01 NekoGloop Let's see... everyone who's unhelpful say aye. I want to do a mass /ignore right now. 21:01 saschaheylik_ what the hell is wrong with you 21:02 NekoGloop you 21:02 saschaheylik_ right... so leave 21:03 saschaheylik_ anyways... vicscandl what is #1 issue right now? 21:03 saschaheylik_ dont say NekoGloop 21:03 NakedFury cpu drain? 21:03 saschaheylik_ thats all the info we got? 21:04 saschaheylik_ any idea by what it's caused= 21:04 NekoGloop Processing of a large world in a roundabout way 21:05 saschaheylik_ "a roundabout way" ? 21:05 NekoGloop idk i didnt look at the code that closely 21:05 saschaheylik_ right... 21:07 NekoGloop Well, so much for the idea of a 3x3 grid 21:07 NekoGloop 2x2* 21:07 NekoGloop dammit why do i keep saying that 21:08 NekoGloop anyway, probably the best goal that is reachable from lua is to make certain things only craft in workbenches. 21:09 vicscandl saschaheylik_: http://imgur.com/a/UqfGo#0 21:09 vicscandl nuff said 21:09 vicscandl i <3 my office 21:10 saschaheylik_ :P 21:10 vicscandl thats this laptop's lid 21:10 vicscandl hehehe 21:10 vicscandl hehehe 21:10 saschaheylik_ xD 21:11 vicscandl back to work, codeslaves 21:11 saschaheylik_ im not a slave 21:11 saschaheylik_ im a god 21:11 vicscandl your comparison is not relative 21:11 vicscandl sorry 21:12 NekoGloop lol 21:12 vicscandl brb; stupid work just posted a new ticket 21:13 NekoGloop Ugh I hate steel sword texture 21:13 saschaheylik_ got a better one? 21:14 NekoGloop well i made it look like the rest of the swords 21:14 NekoGloop using the same colors still 21:18 NekoGloop and as soon as i find out how i'm gonna set it to be this texture 21:19 NekoGloop how do i set a texture pack? 21:20 NekoGloop nvm found it 21:40 NekoGloop Lets see... anyone want to hear what my ideas for crafting grid recipes for tools in 4x4 and 5x5? 21:40 NakedFury what ever it is must be huge once crafted 21:40 NekoGloop I'll tell you in PM if you do, so as to not flood the channel with my recipes 21:41 NakedFury say a bigger furnace 21:41 NekoGloop I could probably do that, just I mean for tools atm 21:41 NakedFury would they look bigger in the game too? 21:42 NekoGloop Well the inventory_image is edited to make them look bigger. 21:43 NekoGloop Axes dont look like hatchets, shovels... just look funny, swords get longer and have larger hilts, picks get thicker. 21:44 saschaheylik_ honestly, i dont like minecraft style crafting 21:44 NekoGloop whatever 21:44 NekoGloop I'm making an extension of the workbench mod to make it have some use. 21:44 saschaheylik_ id prefer cutting up the wood for example and putting it together in 3d 21:44 saschaheylik_ maybe you could do both 21:45 saschaheylik_ but especially for more complex things like cars youd have to do it in 3d 21:45 NekoGloop As NakedFury said, a medium/large furnace could be made in 4x4/5x5 grids, with an extra 'slot' for each size increment 21:45 vicscandl ticket closed; back to mt 21:46 NekoGloop saschaheylik_: Dont we lag enough already? 21:46 saschaheylik_ not at all on my pc 21:46 NekoGloop lol 21:46 NekoGloop what, do you have a pc with 9999999gHz? 21:47 saschaheylik_ but its overkill for mt 21:47 saschaheylik_ no 21:47 saschaheylik_ like 3.4ghz dual core 21:47 NekoGloop lol 21:47 saschaheylik_ 4gb ddr2 ram 21:47 NekoGloop I need an idea for medium axe crafting... 21:47 saschaheylik_ and ATI hd4850 21:47 saschaheylik_ idk make a medium sized axe? 21:47 NekoGloop 4x4 grid 21:47 NekoGloop -so helpful- 21:48 saschaheylik_ SSSS 21:48 NakedFury if the item doesnt look big at all when held by a player why bother? 21:48 saschaheylik_ SWWS 21:48 saschaheylik_ -WW- 21:48 saschaheylik_ -WW- 21:48 saschaheylik_ or 21:48 NekoGloop Uhm... the image makes the tool larger. 21:48 saschaheylik_ SSSS 21:48 saschaheylik_ SSWS 21:48 saschaheylik_ -WW- 21:48 saschaheylik_ -WW- 21:49 saschaheylik_ oh i thought you ment crafting code 21:49 NekoGloop Those recipes are overkill lol 21:49 NekoGloop I do mean recipes, NakedFury brought up something else 21:49 saschaheylik_ why else would you need a 4x4 grid? 21:49 NekoGloop Well... idk 21:49 NekoGloop gimme a minute 21:50 saschaheylik_ heh 21:50 NakedFury use 3x3 and divide the item in parts 21:50 NekoGloop no 21:50 NekoGloop I WANT to make recipes for workbench mod, dont you see? 21:50 saschaheylik_ good for you 21:50 NekoGloop >.> 21:50 saschaheylik_ youre still making it more complex than necessary 21:50 NekoGloop whatever :3 21:51 saschaheylik_ with little gameplay gain in return 21:51 saschaheylik_ if an 21:51 saschaheylik_ y 21:51 saschaheylik_ maybe even loss 21:51 NekoGloop why? 21:51 NekoGloop you have to first get the 4x4 crafting bench then make the tools themselves. 21:52 saschaheylik_ maybe people dont like to have yet another crafting grid size and workbench and stuff 21:52 saschaheylik_ for no reason 21:52 saschaheylik_ the axe they get is the same 21:52 NekoGloop no its not :P 21:52 saschaheylik_ a player wants to convert items to other items 21:52 saschaheylik_ they dont cxare about the grid size 21:52 saschaheylik_ whatever you say 21:53 NekoGloop medium tools are more powerful than small(normal) tools, large tools are more powerful than medium. 21:53 NekoGloop At least I'm not adding a xlarge set, which would then make 6x6 be required. 21:53 saschaheylik_ rather than many different grid sizes, 3d crafting would be a real addition to gameplay 21:54 saschaheylik_ think gmod 21:54 saschaheylik_ just not that buggy... 21:54 saschaheylik_ and a bit simpler maybe 21:54 NakedFury what do you mean 3d crafting? 21:54 NekoGloop and I still say that you need to remember that not everyone owns a super computer to allow 3d crafting 21:54 saschaheylik_ we dont need to make it expensive 21:54 saschaheylik_ i have a way in mind 21:54 NakedFury what do you mean 3d crafting? 21:55 saschaheylik_ like lego? 21:55 NakedFury how would it work with tools for example 21:55 saschaheylik_ with an axe for example 21:55 saschaheylik_ first you need wood 21:56 saschaheylik_ you place a wood block on top of a workbench 21:56 saschaheylik_ then you cut it into sticks 21:56 saschaheylik_ with some sort of saw 21:56 saschaheylik_ (not your fist) 21:56 saschaheylik_ :P 21:56 saschaheylik_ and then you need steel 21:56 NakedFury more interative crafting 21:56 NekoGloop 3d crafting could be merged with crafting grids (i.e. crafting cube) and then that would let mods be made MUCH easier than you are recommending. 21:56 saschaheylik_ yes basically 21:57 saschaheylik_ NekoGloop: maybe 21:57 NakedFury ok so you used a saw to cut the wood into say sticks 21:57 saschaheylik_ though if we have 3d crafting im not sure why we need recipes 21:57 NekoGloop well I'm just trying to do this from a modder's perspective. 21:57 NekoGloop how does a tool get defined? 21:57 NakedFury now you place 1 stick on top of the workbench and how would the ore be added? 21:57 NekoGloop magic? 21:58 saschaheylik_ first you have to make the axe part from the iron ore 21:58 saschaheylik_ you start with iron ore right 21:58 saschaheylik_ then you melt it using a furnance 21:58 NakedFury ok in molds? 21:58 saschaheylik_ into a mold yeah why not 21:58 saschaheylik_ or maybe forge it? 21:58 NakedFury well that would make crafting more interesting 21:58 saschaheylik_ depends on the tool i guess 21:58 saschaheylik_ yes a lot 21:58 saschaheylik_ more like in RPGs 21:58 NakedFury yes 21:58 saschaheylik_ though more detailed 21:59 NakedFury I like that even if its harder 21:59 saschaheylik_ with the ability to actually customize things 21:59 saschaheylik_ i like a challenge 21:59 saschaheylik_ this one seems worth it 21:59 NekoGloop well you could add a whole new gamemode, so that people like me can actually enjoy the origninal minetest crafting as well as your 3d crafting 22:00 saschaheylik_ well.. we could rationalize the current crafting as follows 22:00 saschaheylik_ a machine with 9 slots to put resource items in 22:00 saschaheylik_ and an usb stick twith plans 8-) 22:00 vicscandl ok... 22:00 vicscandl now on to some fun.. :) 22:01 saschaheylik_ maybe the machine has a screen with buttons sto customize the item 22:01 NekoGloop uhm... how about a craft-table-thing that allows the 3d crafting? 22:01 saschaheylik_ yes or a table 22:01 saschaheylik_ perhaps both 22:01 NekoGloop that seems like the best routine to me 22:02 NekoGloop I wonder if this is even possible in lua lol 22:02 saschaheylik_ i like the idea of (once your tech skills are high enough) being able to build automatic factories and machines that produce items for you 22:02 saschaheylik_ doesnt matter i code C++ 22:02 saschaheylik_ over a period of time 22:02 NekoGloop you would probably have to execute an external file from the mod then... i think you can run C++ from lua 22:02 saschaheylik_ which you can then sell to other players or use yourself 22:03 saschaheylik_ of course. c++ and lua can interact both ways obviously 22:03 saschaheylik_ on markets 22:03 NekoGloop then stop chattering and code ;) 22:04 saschaheylik_ its 00:00 where i am 22:04 NekoGloop sounds like RealBadAngel has a competitor for technic mod ;) 22:04 saschaheylik_ getting a bit tired 22:04 saschaheylik_ lol 22:04 saschaheylik_ i have a lot more tech ideas 22:04 NekoGloop well whatever 22:04 saschaheylik_ you probably cant do a lot of that lua only 22:05 saschaheylik_ scriptable microchips for electronics for example 22:05 NekoGloop I hope to implement alchemy and such 22:05 saschaheylik_ yes that'd be awesome 22:05 saschaheylik_ alchemy = chemistry 22:05 NekoGloop Uh... wouldnt that be remarkably similar to mesecons microcontrollers? 22:05 NekoGloop (microchips) 22:05 saschaheylik_ idk 22:06 saschaheylik_ idk anything about all the mods 22:06 NekoGloop lol 22:06 saschaheylik_ right now i gotta focus on the core 22:06 saschaheylik_ no time to read about some mods 22:06 saschaheylik_ understand? 22:06 NekoGloop alchemy would probably not work out without a good supply of random items to mess with. 22:07 saschaheylik_ chemicals 22:07 NekoGloop lol 22:07 saschaheylik_ not kidding 22:07 NekoGloop how do you suggest i get said chemicals? 22:07 saschaheylik_ same places you get them irl 22:07 saschaheylik_ what substance are we talking about? 22:07 NekoGloop ... an extractor, extracts chemical compnent from the item? 22:07 NekoGloop like furnace, i guess this extractor would be 22:07 saschaheylik_ do you know anything about chemistry? 22:08 NekoGloop nope :P 22:08 OldCoder Hmm. Sulphuric Acid == Griefing. 22:08 saschaheylik_ xD 22:09 saschaheylik_ one way to split liquids is distillation http://spiderdiaries.richmond.edu/margaret14/files/2011/04/simple_distillation.gif 22:09 saschaheylik_ or liquids from solids 22:09 NekoGloop hm... 22:09 saschaheylik_ actually any substances based on their boiling point 22:10 saschaheylik_ this could be a neat minigame where you have to control the temperature and find the right temperature to split the substances 22:10 NekoGloop too complicated for me 22:10 saschaheylik_ ingame it would be easier to show 22:11 NekoGloop however, having a distiller seems kinda overrun by furnace, wouldnt the two function kinda similar? 22:11 saschaheylik_ player gets video tutorial lessons anyways 22:11 saschaheylik_ well a distiller needs a gas flame 22:11 NekoGloop well you'd have to do the vid, I'm not capable of that. 22:11 saschaheylik_ one you can regulate 22:11 NekoGloop you can regulate a coal or wood flame 22:11 NekoGloop its just hard to do so 22:11 saschaheylik_ idk about htat 22:12 NekoGloop Personally I've not done it 22:12 NekoGloop Some people I know have though 22:12 saschaheylik_ well you could regulate the temperature of the distiller by altering the distance to the flame 22:13 saschaheylik_ then the minigame would be about changing the height and fueling the flame to the right size to get the correct temperature on the thermometer 22:13 NekoGloop still: too complicated 22:14 NekoGloop no minigame :P 22:14 saschaheylik_ is skyrims lockpicking game too complicated too? 22:15 * NekoGloop has not played skyrim 22:15 saschaheylik_ if a video showed you what to do it should be quite easy 22:15 saschaheylik_ provided you know the right temperature 22:15 saschaheylik_ which is the point of having to know the correct recipe to craft something 22:15 saschaheylik_ how convenient that its ancient egypt 22:15 saschaheylik_ and you have lucid dreaming skills 22:16 NekoGloop personally I think that a minigame of this nature doesnt fit in Minetest 22:16 saschaheylik_ which allow you to go to bed 22:16 saschaheylik_ then in your dream 22:16 saschaheylik_ travel to the akashic records 22:16 saschaheylik_ which is the universes infinitely big library 22:16 vicscandl akf; heading to store 22:16 saschaheylik_ which is basically a library with all the recipes and stuff (at least those the player is smart enough to know at this level) 22:17 saschaheylik_ of the universe 22:17 saschaheylik_ and read them 22:17 saschaheylik_ then wake up and do it 22:17 NekoGloop well i think a level mechanism would be needed first ;) 22:17 saschaheylik_ well yes 22:18 NekoGloop which since mobs lag most computers to hell... 22:18 NekoGloop xp could be gained from recipes? 22:18 saschaheylik_ but the very first thing i have to do may seem counter-intuitive 22:18 NekoGloop what's that? 22:18 saschaheylik_ it's to set up a website on which to pre-sell minetest alpha access 22:19 saschaheylik_ remember, LGPL allows that. 22:19 NekoGloop lolno 22:19 NekoGloop imo minetest should be kept free forever 22:19 NekoGloop free is better. 22:19 saschaheylik_ it is free 22:19 saschaheylik_ LGPL says the sourcecode has to be open 22:19 saschaheylik_ which it is 22:19 NekoGloop ok 22:19 saschaheylik_ i can still ask for money 22:19 NekoGloop lol 22:20 saschaheylik_ people could compile it themselves if they want 22:20 thexyz gpl also allows that 22:20 saschaheylik_ most couldnt even do that anyways 22:20 NekoGloop or download sfan5's precompiled windows version ;) 22:20 saschaheylik_ thexyz: difference is i could add my own closed code to the lgpl parts 22:20 saschaheylik_ NekoGloop: true 22:20 thexyz like xchat does 22:20 saschaheylik_ yes 22:21 thexyz saschaheylik_: don't you need to make your library, then link it with minetest? 22:21 saschaheylik_ for example that could be access to "official" servers 22:21 saschaheylik_ thexyz: probably not 22:21 NekoGloop btw, anyone know when celeron is gonna make a return? 22:21 saschaheylik_ i think hes only in -dev all the time 22:21 thexyz strange, i though that you only may link your proprietary code with lgpl libraries 22:21 thexyz or so 22:21 thexyz *mething similar 22:22 NekoGloop oh so he's not gone? 22:22 saschaheylik_ anyways, i dont see a reason right now to add anything proprietary 22:22 NekoGloop i thought he went on vacation or something 22:22 thexyz he's online right now 22:22 NekoGloop i know 22:22 thexyz NekoGloop: read logs http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-08-14 22:22 NekoGloop i just stopped in -dev for a split second 22:23 saschaheylik_ thing is before i can sell it on a website i need a name to buy a domain for 22:23 NekoGloop uhm... what am I looking for in the log? 22:23 saschaheylik_ because "minetest" sounds rather unattractive 22:24 thexyz NekoGloop: for "celeron55" 22:24 thexyz he sometimes writes something 22:24 NekoGloop lol you can see my join and part at the bottom 22:24 NekoGloop lol 22:25 NekoGloop I'm on large pick recipes now 22:27 NekoGloop Anyone have an idea for large axe crafting? 22:31 khonkhortisan four sticks instead of two 22:31 NekoGloop well duh 22:32 NekoGloop i meant for the shape of the axehead 22:32 NekoGloop my best: 22:32 NekoGloop M M M - - 22:32 NekoGloop M M S M - 22:32 NekoGloop M M S - - 22:32 NekoGloop - - S - - 22:32 NekoGloop - - S - - 22:32 NekoGloop look good? 22:33 NekoGloop M = material, S = stick 22:33 NekoGloop Or: 22:33 NekoGloop - M M - - 22:34 NekoGloop M M S M M 22:34 NekoGloop - M S - - 22:34 NekoGloop - - S - - 22:34 NekoGloop - - S - - 22:34 NekoGloop The second one fits with the rest, 7 materials and 4 sticks... 22:34 NekoGloop (sorry for channel flooding) 22:40 NekoGloop Any opinions? 22:43 iqualfragile the first 22:43 iqualfragile but replace the first row by M M S - - 22:44 NekoGloop hm... i do want it to be on par with picks though, since that's how it is in default 22:44 NekoGloop I already implemented #2 but I'll change it if #1 wins with popular vote. 22:50 NekoGloop Hm, medium tools are nice, visibly different in both speed and graphics 22:51 jin_xi hey all 22:53 NekoGloop hello 22:53 NekoGloop I'm working on an extension of workbench mod ;) 22:57 NekoGloop lol medium stone pick > large wood pick 22:57 NekoGloop HOLY CRAP 22:57 NekoGloop I think I overpowered large stone a weeeee bit 22:58 NekoGloop but... considering you need a lot of resources to get it... maybe just turn it down 0.15~ time 22:59 NekoGloop I find it funny that through all this time I have not a single depends.txt in the folder... mod still works though... o.0 23:01 NekoGloop saschaheylik_: Whatcha up to? 23:02 saschaheylik_ thinking about the name issue 23:03 saschaheylik_ we need a better name 23:03 saschaheylik_ not including the parts "mine" "craft" or "test" 23:03 NakedFury back from eating 23:03 saschaheylik_ yo 23:03 NakedFury hi 23:03 NakedFury what name issues? 23:03 saschaheylik_ lets think about a name please 23:03 saschaheylik_ i want to make a website for the project 23:04 saschaheylik_ but i need a name 23:04 saschaheylik_ for the domain name 23:04 NakedFury what project? 23:04 saschaheylik_ minetest 23:04 NekoGloop infibuild 23:04 saschaheylik_ no 23:04 NekoGloop wait that kinda rips off of infiminer... 23:04 saschaheylik_ and infinibuild 23:04 saschaheylik_ i think. 23:04 NekoGloop I was thinking of the near-infinite world 23:05 saschaheylik_ i can make it infinite 23:05 thexyz why "mine", "craft" & "test" are prohibited? 23:05 NekoGloop please dont I lag enough as-es 23:05 NekoGloop is* 23:05 saschaheylik_ thexyz: because they either yell "minecraft rip off" or "crappy test version" 23:06 saschaheylik_ which is not what you are going for from a marketing perspective 23:06 saschaheylik_ not what i am going for at least 23:06 thexyz saschaheylik_: try pwgen -01A 5 23:06 saschaheylik_ lol 23:06 vicscandl meep 23:06 saschaheylik_ i dont have pwgen 23:07 NekoGloop meepbuild ;P 23:07 thexyz saschaheylik_: install it then 23:07 saschaheylik_ too lazy 23:07 thexyz too lazy? 23:07 thexyz what's your distro? 23:07 saschaheylik_ and i dont think thats going to help 23:07 saschaheylik_ arch 23:08 saschaheylik_ too lazy = i dont care enough 23:08 thexyz there at least one well-known site which name was generated using pwgen 23:08 saschaheylik_ so, finding a name 23:08 thexyz but i forgot its name =( 23:09 NekoGloop lol 23:09 saschaheylik_ we have the ancient egyptian theme i talked about 23:09 saschaheylik_ everyone read that stuff? 23:09 * vicscandl has updated his fridgemod with beer. 23:09 saschaheylik_ anyways 23:10 saschaheylik_ egyptocraft 23:10 saschaheylik_ that includes craft but it doesnt sound bad 23:10 saschaheylik_ what do you think 23:10 * vicscandl tests; if ! beer.is_skunky() then drink end 23:11 NekoGloop Uhm... well... 23:11 NekoGloop imo no 23:11 thexyz that's bad one 23:11 NekoGloop agreed with above 23:11 vicscandl damn, it seg faulted 23:11 thexyz saschaheylik_: i think it should be more simple 23:12 thexyz like "egypto" 23:12 NakedFury xyz what is that pwgen? 23:12 thexyz NekoGloop: tool for pseudo-random password generation 23:12 NakedFury password generator 23:12 NekoGloop uhm... well, can someone tell me why there's practically no coal in this map? 23:13 NekoGloop thexyz: Does my name have to be longer so you dont get confused? 23:13 thexyz oops, i mean, NakedFury 23:13 NekoGloop Better ;) 23:13 NakedFury found a website for it 23:14 NekoGloop is it possible to make a certain tool force the dropping of multiple items? 23:14 NekoGloop example: Magic Pick causes double drops 23:15 NekoGloop oh finally I got coal 23:16 saschaheylik_ welcome izua 23:16 saschaheylik_ izua: so you know C++? 23:16 NekoGloop What groups should a hammer be able to break? 23:17 izua hey 23:17 izua yep 23:17 saschaheylik_ thexyz: thats not bad if its not taken yet 23:17 izua i've been doing embedded work for the past years mainly 23:17 saschaheylik_ izua: then our cour team is currently... 2 people strong? 23:17 saschaheylik_ if celeron is really on vacation 23:17 vicscandl saschaheylik_: 2.2 23:17 izua gonna download it 23:18 saschaheylik_ https://github.com/celeron55/minetest 23:18 saschaheylik_ or https://github.com/saschaheylik/minetest 23:18 saschaheylik_ if you wanna pull from mee 23:18 NekoGloop lol 23:18 saschaheylik_ xD 23:18 saschaheylik_ no changes yet anyways 23:18 izua unable to start correctly, press ok 23:18 * NekoGloop pulls sas-who's-it's hair 23:19 saschaheylik_ izua: huh? 23:19 izua it's an error message 23:19 saschaheylik_ you downloaded and compiled it already? 23:19 saschaheylik_ that was dast 23:19 saschaheylik_ can haz screenshot? 23:19 izua no, i downloaded the official and ran it from bin/ 23:19 vicscandl izua: you followthe readme? 23:19 saschaheylik_ use the actual github and compile it 23:20 saschaheylik_ git clone https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git 23:20 saschaheylik_ cd minetest 23:20 saschaheylik_ cmake . 23:20 izua http://imgur.com/TmPfp 23:20 saschaheylik_ make -j 2 23:20 saschaheylik_ ./bin/minetest 23:20 izua win32 23:20 saschaheylik_ oh 23:21 saschaheylik_ it says 0.4.1 23:21 saschaheylik_ the dev version is 0.4.2 rc 1 23:21 izua erm, got binaries? 23:22 saschaheylik_ you shouldnt 23:22 saschaheylik_ you should compile it 23:22 izua i'm on win32, not gentoo 23:22 saschaheylik_ not hard on win32 either 23:22 NekoGloop check the blog, run in place minetest ver is there 23:22 NekoGloop 0.4.2-rc1 even 23:22 saschaheylik_ yeah there should be instructions even 23:23 izua well i need to get git, then a compiler, then mess with the current compilers in the path, then compile it, then get the old ones back ._. 23:23 NekoGloop lol 23:23 saschaheylik_ izua: no need to mess with path when i last did it 23:23 saschaheylik_ just loaded git and gcc 23:23 NekoGloop better solution: get a hammer and smash the computer to bits 23:23 saschaheylik_ maybe cmake or something 23:23 izua i have several compilers installed for various archs 23:23 saschaheylik_ went into commandline 23:23 saschaheylik_ did pretty much the same thing as on unix 23:24 saschaheylik_ done 23:24 izua grr 23:24 izua i'll just put it in a vm on 32 bits and see if 0.4.1 works there 23:24 izua that's way less troublesome :P 23:24 saschaheylik_ as a dev it mustnt be troublesome to compile from git 23:24 izua what's with the fail though? 23:24 izua missing links? 23:25 saschaheylik_ i dont know about mt on windows 23:25 saschaheylik_ besides i just recently got active again 23:25 saschaheylik_ may have missed something 23:25 izua well, right now i don't have a toolchain set up, and it's sort of a mess to set it up 23:25 izua will make a clean vm for it tommorow i guess 23:26 NekoGloop sfan5 (i think) maintains the windows run in place version 23:26 saschaheylik_ you could run a linux vm 23:26 izua msvcr100.dll missing 23:26 saschaheylik_ well yes or that 23:27 saschaheylik_ someone should fix the error message 23:27 NekoGloop oh yes, you need to download that file sepreatly 23:27 saschaheylik_ :P 23:27 NekoGloop just search for it on google ;) 23:28 izua awesome 23:28 izua yeah i am 23:28 izua just tried to find a reliable source 23:28 izua "find-your-missing-dll.com" 23:28 izua and "free-dlls.com" don't exactly inspire trust 23:28 izua esp when they have >1MB 23:28 saschaheylik_ they usually work though 23:28 NekoGloop lol 23:28 saschaheylik_ even if theyre full of ads 23:29 izua any pub/test server i can hook up with? 23:29 thexyz ...and then they tell me linux is hard 23:29 saschaheylik_ i can start a 4.2.0 one 23:29 saschaheylik_ thexyz: lol 23:29 thexyz izua: http://servers.minetest.ru 23:29 saschaheylik_ no http 23:29 saschaheylik_ oh 23:29 saschaheylik_ oh 23:29 saschaheylik_ nvm+ 23:29 saschaheylik_ lol 23:29 NekoGloop 4.2.0? 23:29 izua not alloed to login 23:29 saschaheylik_ NekoGloop: yes 23:30 izua yeah, http:// is a reflex 23:30 NekoGloop PLEASE LEND ME YOUR TIME MACHINE 23:30 saschaheylik_ the current dev version 23:30 saschaheylik_ lol 23:30 saschaheylik_ its called git 23:30 saschaheylik_ xD 23:30 NekoGloop 0.4.2-rc1 ;) 23:30 saschaheylik_ oh 23:30 saschaheylik_ right 23:30 NekoGloop not 4.2.0 23:30 saschaheylik_ and thats the pipe 23:30 saschaheylik_ xD 23:30 izua god damn it 23:30 izua woot 23:30 izua i went past the figlet-like test 23:31 saschaheylik_ figlet-like test? 23:32 izua you're on linux 23:32 izua # figlet spam 23:32 * NekoGloop flips a table out of boredom 23:32 saschaheylik_ you flip a table? 23:32 saschaheylik_ that dude is weird 23:33 NekoGloop yes I am 23:33 vicscandl izua: hahaha figletspam 23:33 izua it goes 23:33 izua sort of like this 23:33 NekoGloop the fact I've flipped tables irl just because i want to is a fact 23:33 izua (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 23:33 NekoGloop Except I can never remember the ASCII for that ;) 23:33 * NekoGloop (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 23:33 izua (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 23:34 NekoGloop (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 23:34 izua this is so fail 23:34 khonkhortisan áóéú 23:34 NekoGloop (╯°□°）╯︵ ┬━┬ 23:35 NekoGloop wait what? 23:35 NekoGloop :D 23:35 khonkhortisan aoeu is my asdf 23:35 vicscandl meh, dvorak 23:35 khonkhortisan yep, a variant 23:36 vicscandl thats what, left handed setup? 23:36 khonkhortisan no programmer 23:36 NekoGloop My table flip: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┬━┬ 23:36 vicscandl khonkhortisan: ahhhhhhhhhhh 23:36 NekoGloop I flip it right-sdie-up ;) 23:36 khonkhortisan oh that's what that is 23:36 NekoGloop yes it is ;) 23:37 NekoGloop I fix flipped tables 23:38 NekoGloop if i had known making these tools would have been such a pain I'd have never tried it D: 23:38 vicscandl guh, textures and mesh crap is a mindblender 23:39 izua ah 23:39 izua wow 23:39 NekoGloop well, just the textures really 23:39 izua this is pretty functional for a demo 23:39 vicscandl izua: try playing on some of the public servers and you will really see some stuff that will upgrade it from demo. :) 23:40 izua well, i do like the part where random stuff voxels show up in the sky 23:40 NekoGloop lol 23:40 NekoGloop shadows from something generated at 7000Y? 23:40 vicscandl izua: heheeh i'll be getting to that too... heheehh just starting to get into the c++ code as we seem to have found some issues... 23:40 vicscandl well. preverbial "we" 23:41 izua nah, there's something just above me. about 15-20 z levels or so 23:41 NekoGloop y* 23:41 NekoGloop Y is up/down 23:41 izua o_O 23:41 vicscandl NekoGloop: really? 23:41 NekoGloop yup 23:42 vicscandl oh funny 23:42 NekoGloop x is width, y is height, z is depth 23:42 NekoGloop simple mathematics, little children 23:42 vicscandl well.... 23:42 izua but the first view on any drafting paper is from above :P 23:42 thexyz what's problem with Y being height? opengl uses that too 23:43 vicscandl i won't get into this argument, as i have reasons for and against (ab)use of the cartesian coodrdinate system 23:43 izua fair enough 23:43 izua as long as the convention is respected everywhere 23:44 NekoGloop well ingame it refers to the second number on debug coordinates as Y 23:44 NekoGloop second number changes as you climb 23:45 vicscandl wow 23:45 vicscandl ok, just found that item out... good to know... 23:46 NekoGloop you're welcome ;) 23:47 vicscandl ty 23:48 NekoGloop generally coordinates are X, Y, Z, especially in computers & 3d rendering 23:49 vicscandl NekoGloop: i beg to differ but don't care to discuss 23:50 vicscandl differ on their use, not their definition 23:50 NekoGloop well "generally" 23:50 vicscandl ie: ask a person involved in drafting or architecure the same question... 23:52 vicscandl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_space 23:52 vicscandl so there 23:53 NekoGloop kinda busy 23:53 vicscandl what, to see that i'm correct and you are not? 23:53 NekoGloop you are incorrect 23:53 vicscandl ok... 23:54 vicscandl only for this graphics engine am i. 23:54 * NekoGloop assumes the "undeniable correctness" that everyone in #minetest has 23:55 vicscandl unless proven 23:56 vicscandl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylindrical_coordinates 23:56 izua lol 23:56 vicscandl also points z to be height 23:56 izua every sort of machining operation uses z to be up/down displacement, too 23:56 NekoGloop ... 23:57 izua then again, they could have just used another greek letter for up/down in cylindrical coordinates 23:57 vicscandl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinates 23:57 vicscandl again, z is height 23:57 NekoGloop minetest.get_craft_result() what are the parameters? 23:58 vicscandl i'm only bringing it up as i have not yet seen that fact documented, but i've only been thru about 10% of the code so far... 23:58 vicscandl debug vs enhancing 23:59 izua i think the problem stems from the fact that opengl uses z as depth, but doesn't specify a default "orientation", z could be depth from as seen from above (which is the first projection in drafting). just a wild guess 23:59 thexyz google://opengl coordinate system 23:59 vicscandl izua: thats my main issue, viewpoint and "where the 'top' is" 23:59 izua i'm familiar with it, i've done some opengl stuff myself 23:59 vicscandl its 100% relevent to how its perceived by the orginal coder