Time  Nick             Message
00:16 FreeFull         "Fix hovering after mining a block underneath you while sneaking" No D:
02:02 * VanessaE       has returned
06:51 cornernote       hey
08:19 yunfan           redcrab: hi, need build privileges
08:25 brobostigon      good morning everyone.
08:27 yunfan           good afternoon ;]
08:28 brobostigon      hi yunfan :)
08:28 yunfan           brobostigon: hi
08:47 cornernote       hi
08:47 jin_xi           sup
08:47 brobostigon      hi cornernote and jin_xi
08:47 cornernote       i'll try to release the wiki mod tonight
08:48 cornernote       do you think i should include a texture pack with it, or just let it harvest all the images it needs ?
08:49 cornernote       i was thinking of including some sqlite databases too, one with the default mods, and one with every mod i can lay my hands on
08:49 cornernote       if anyone is unsure what i am talking about - http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2479
09:22 jordach          morning
09:23 brobostigon      morning jordach
09:24 jordach          sup
09:24 sfan5            hi jordach
09:25 brobostigon      jordach: nought much, just trying to survive, and you?
09:25 jordach          nothin
09:26 jordach          hanging around #minetest
09:26 brobostigon      :)
09:28 * jordach        notes calinou isnmt
09:28 jordach          isnt around
10:52 te3              hey ttk2, you're the admin of civcraft, right?
10:52 ttk2             yes
10:52 te3              remember the nazis? most of them went "home" and play on my server now
10:53 ttk2             Interesting
10:53 te3              (I'm the admin of KC/int/'s official server)
10:53 te3              it's been really fun to watch
10:53 ttk2             You should see Civcraft, so many players all doing their own thing.
10:53 te3              yeah ours is freestyle too
10:53 ttk2             There is so much going on I cant even keep track of half the complexity
10:54 te3              we're a bit smaller, but there's still enough going on
10:54 ttk2             how do you handle block protection and player enforcement of rules?
10:54 te3              logblock and and admin-appointed mods
10:54 ttk2             bah humbug
10:54 te3              the second one is kinda inherited
10:55 te3              and I gave my players logblock tools to look up who changed a block
10:55 te3              so it's a bit like your snitchblock, but less realtime
10:55 te3              we're more focused on building historically
10:56 ttk2             Prisonpearl and citadel are the lynch pin in my master evil plan to never actually have to moderate
10:56 te3              yeah I'm moving towards that
10:56 te3              so much drama I have to arbitrate
10:57 te3              how good is nocheat?
10:57 ttk2             let other players arbitrate and the players enforce
10:57 te3              problem is, we're not continuously 50+ players
10:57 ttk2             nocheat is half way decent, but anticheat does not work well with our config so I have never tried it
10:58 te3              more around 10, or 0-30
10:58 ttk2             Just learn to get into the config file and change values and you can get it to do whatever you need.
10:58 te3              depends on update cycle and political events
10:59 te3              I inherited the server from the former admin and there's a great builder culture I don't want to destroy
10:59 ttk2             Different servers have different purposes
10:59 ttk2             what sort of hardware are you on?
11:00 te3              http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4
11:00 te3              nothing special really
11:00 ttk2             brb and I will show you our planned upgrade hardware.
11:00 te3              I briefly looked at your upgrade post on the civcraft reddit
11:01 te3              (and got a bit jealous but our current hardware meets our need just fine)
11:02 te3              we always had a rule that put players over nations and legalized pvp only if consensual
11:02 te3              so naturally we went a different way
11:08 te3              oh and several of the new players have bugged me for citadel
11:08 ttk2             do you want the .jar?
11:08 te3              isn't the source on github?
11:09 ttk2             it is
11:09 ttk2             but people are lazy sometimes. The source is newer though, but the .jar we have running now is considered the 'stable' version
11:09 te3              ah, good to know
11:10 te3              there's still a sizable diaspora of reich players, let's  see if I can catch them all...
11:10 ttk2             pokemon!
11:11 te3              exactly!
11:11 ttk2             http://www.reddit.com/r/Civcraft/comments/wn5b6/server_upgrade_hardware_discussion/
11:11 ttk2             we are probably going with build 1
11:12 ttk2             16gigs of the fastest server memory available, nearly 4ghz 6 core processor on the new lga 2011 arch
11:13 te3              consider me jelly
11:13 ttk2             Hexapus provides us with free rack space and unlimited bandwith+power, our only cost is the server hardware itself
11:14 ttk2             Our current server is a dual 3.0ghz quad core (socket 771) with 32gigs ddr2 800mhz
11:14 ttk2             but the older memory arch is bad for minecraft newer Xeons and i7's preform much better
11:14 ttk2             especially with faster memory
11:15 ttk2             Since everyone else rents their servers it seems like very few people have really done their hardware research on Minecraft to figure out whats best, too me forever to gather the needed info
11:15 te3              yeah, so far I've only optimized the plugins themselves and I'm sure there's still considerable optimization space before I really need new hardware
11:15 te3              have you considered using canary?
11:16 te3              a friend helps run minecraftonline and he told me they chose it because it had a non-insane plugin api and ran faster than bukkit
11:16 ttk2             what is canary? Ah do you mean the spout project?
11:17 te3              canarymod
11:17 ttk2             is that the code name for it?
11:17 te3              http://www.canarymod.net/
11:17 ttk2             will test preformance later
11:18 te3              I've been flirting with it but I'd need to completely overhaul the server since the plugin ecosystem is very different, so I haven't got around to seriously testing it yet
11:18 darkrose         why is this crap being discussed here? go away
11:18 te3              darkrose, coincidence
11:19 darkrose         great, coincedently take it elsewhere
11:19 te3              I've been toying with minetest on the side of adminning a medium large bukkit community and the communities (or parts of them) of our servers had a run-in on ttk2's  server
11:20 te3              but we hadn't talked to each other in person yet
11:21 ttk2             Now I wait, if Mojang does a good job with the 1.4 modding api (a stretch I know) then I stay with them. Otherwise its time to move on
11:21 te3              my players (or the more curious ones) love minetest btw, but alas this is only a hobby project for me and I have only so much concentration to spare
11:22 ttk2             Monetizing Civcraft will have to wait for a larger community.
11:22 te3              you were a bit frustrated with the direction mojang takes MC to, right?
11:23 nyuszika7h       Hi
11:23 ttk2             More than a bit, but its their game. I have no right to complain.
11:24 ttk2             Its not their job to make like easier for me, its mine to solve my own problems.
11:24 ttk2             hello nyu
11:24 te3              mmh
11:25 te3              enchanting added a bit too much mmo for my taste but silk touch is awesome
11:26 ttk2             We hope to modify the mechanic, but looking at Minetest we would probably remove and replace it with others if we had to build one from scratch
11:26 te3              minetest means that players can code up their own mods in lua without much effort
11:28 ttk2             well aware of that, but the question comes how exactly to replace that mechanic, we have been trying to design a couple of tech trees to that end.
11:28 te3              I've always dreamed of a multiserver minecraft that doesn't need to  run on one single machine, since that quickly becomes expensive
11:28 nyuszika7h       I wonder, can Minetest mods do as complex things as some of the Minecraft mods?
11:28 ttk2             Tell me about it.
11:28 ttk2             nyuszika7h: From what I know so far the API is very powerful and they can easily do things that where nearly impossible for bukkit mods
11:29 nyuszika7h       :O Nice
11:29 te3              just some way of, yeah, scaling out mc worlds so you run them on a few moderately sized machines instead of one insanely sized (and pricey one)
11:30 ttk2             We could run 8 MC servers on our current hardware alone, if we could link them it would be epic.
11:30 ttk2             But the problem comes down to the map.
11:30 te3              hm!
11:30 te3              seamless transition between servers
11:30 ttk2             I was thinking, with Minetest the map is a sql database
11:31 te3              I heard of one popular server putting craftproxy in front of their bukkits so each bukkit ran only one world
11:31 ttk2             meaning you could in theory have one server dedicated to the map and then on lan a few others that actually hosted the players, they share hosting of a no mans land between the sections they each host so that players can walk between without issue.
11:31 te3              and when players went through a portal, they switched server but never noticed
11:31 te3              because the proxy handled it transparently
11:31 nyuszika7h       ttk2: That's nice, how much do you pay for the server?
11:31 te3              I don't think they released the source
11:32 ttk2             We pay nothing per month
11:32 nyuszika7h       Nothing?
11:32 ttk2             free hosting, bandwith, and power from a friend
11:32 nyuszika7h       :o
11:32 ttk2             we just by the server hardware and rack it.
11:33 nyuszika7h       My current server isn't too good in means of RAM and HDD... they promise 1024MB but only give 989MB RAM
11:33 te3              ah I see, you mean db replication in the minetest backend?
11:33 ttk2             te3 a little like that, but the details would obviously need to be worked out.
11:34 te3              the minetest server can become laggy pretty fast, but my minetest admin skills are entry level at best
11:34 te3              so I'm blaming it on me
11:34 ttk2             it requires a different approach.
11:35 ttk2             Its only better if used properly, like a lot of things.
11:39 te3              does civcraft have an irc? I'd love to lurk on it
11:42 te3              (I can't play on your server since I'm a pirate client user)
11:46 ttk2             te3: We run a mumble voice chat server
11:46 ttk2             better than IRC in my opinion.
11:52 te3              nah, irc has logs
11:54 te3              anyway nice to talk to you!
11:54 te3              <- bed
12:11 cornernote       quick Q .. does MT 0.4.1 contain the patch to allow more items ?  .. i seem to be getting the serialize error again
12:12 darkrose         no
12:15 cornernote       OMG
12:15 cornernote       what was the release for ?
12:19 jordach2         we need that commit for 0.4.2
12:19 jordach2         NOW
12:23 jin_xi           lol
12:44 rsiska           hello. so, what's up with redcrab.sure.net?
12:44 rsiska           it seems to be down...
12:55 jordach2         rsiska, its a bug with the server
13:06 Calinou          MINETEST 0.4.1
13:06 jordach          why
13:06 jordach          wtf Calinou
13:06 jordach          you walk in: RAGE then leave
13:06 Calinou          BECAUSE
13:07 jordach          s/RAGE/TROLL
13:07 jordach          hi TheLastProject
13:07 Calinou          Kray, you should update your servers to 0.4 it's official :p
13:07 Calinou          (and reset the world)
13:07 jordach          YES
13:07 jordach          PLEASE
13:07 jordach          YES
13:07 jordach          and add moderators
13:08 Calinou          ^
13:08 jordach          plus lua mods
13:08 Calinou          build-by-default is okay if you have some moderators
13:08 jordach          like cotton
13:08 TheLastProject   Hi jordach
13:08 Kray             two words: EVE Online
13:08 TheLastProject   0.4 has officially been released?
13:08 Calinou          wool, moreblocks, moreores, stairsplus, doorsplus :p
13:08 jordach          YES
13:08 Calinou          yes
13:08 Calinou          0.4.1 now
13:10 TheLastProject   Well, that's cool
13:11 TheLastProject   Looks like it's not updated on the AUR yet o,o
13:11 jordach          TheLastProject, compile your self#
13:12 TheLastProject   Oh well, guess that'll happen soon enough
13:12 TheLastProject   jordach, I could do that, but I'm lazy :3
13:12 * jordach        and Calinou self compile
13:12 Calinou          no, I'm on windows right now
13:12 Calinou          why would I self-compile?
13:12 TheLastProject   Why would you use Windows?
13:12 * Calinou        recompiles hit git on debian though
13:12 Calinou          TheLastProject, drivers, software compat, preinstalled
13:13 jordach          Calinou, thats what I meant
13:13 Calinou          (well I mostly use crossplatform software)
13:13 jordach          on debian based systems
13:13 Calinou          <TheLastProject> Looks like it's not updated on the AUR yet o,o
13:13 TheLastProject   Ubuntu has stuff preinstalled *hides*
13:13 Calinou          AUR can go fuck itself
13:13 Calinou          any and all packages for games can
13:13 Calinou          compile it yourself or install a precompiled version from the devs
13:13 Calinou          (good devs have precompiled linux bins.)
13:13 jordach          :3
13:13 jordach          IKR
13:14 Calinou          -- *** Will build version 0.4.1 ***
13:14 Calinou          :3
13:14 Calinou          yay, warnings
13:16 jordach          IKR
13:16 jordach          lol
13:16 jordach          FIX EM
13:16 Calinou          CANT
13:17 TheLastProject   Who cares about warnings. As long as it runs it's good :P
13:18 TheLastProject   Hmmm... how I cross-compile QT stuff on my Arch Linux? :(
13:18 TheLastProject   I only get it to compile a Linux executable for me :(
13:19 jordach          im playing a java game
13:19 Calinou          arch sucks
13:19 Calinou          jordach, inb4 minecraft
13:19 jordach          wrong
13:19 TheLastProject   jordach, Spiral Knights?
13:19 jordach          canvas rider
13:19 TheLastProject   Calinou, Yeah yeah, whatever~
13:19 TheLastProject   That's my not point
13:19 TheLastProject   Every OS sucks, really
13:19 TheLastProject   Some just suck less than others
13:19 TheLastProject   And I find Arch to suck less than Ubuntu and Windows, so yeah
13:19 * jordach        likes FreeBSD
13:20 TheLastProject   Last time I tried FreeBSD it was terribly buggy and crashed when I clicked the installer icon. Guess I should go back to it once again, who knows, maybe it works for me now
13:21 jordach          TheLastProject, hardware
13:21 TheLastProject   Oh yeah, that exists as well
13:21 TheLastProject   Derp
13:21 * TheLastProject knows absolutely nothing about computers
13:22 * jordach        knows more than the big IT guys
13:22 Calinou          lolfreebsd
13:22 TheLastProject   lolcalinou
13:22 * jordach        also knows how to hack banks
13:22 Calinou          * TheLastProject knows absolutely nothing about computers
13:22 Calinou          this explains why you use arch
13:22 * Calinou        hacks jordach
13:22 * jordach        kicks Calinou
13:22 TheLastProject   Calinou, Next up: Gentoo :P
13:22 TheLastProject   (inb4 rage)
13:22 Calinou          lol
13:23 jordach          [oaerjo[jigjsadpoigpdjozjdpvodifj-\osgjvpozdoe[fvoiwefdfnon - gentoo
13:23 jordach          here. go grab xubuntu and then life is easy
13:23 darkrose         gentoo ftw!
13:24 TheLastProject   Ewww XFCE
13:24 * jordach        stabs darkrose
13:24 TheLastProject   It's like GNOME2's ugly brother
13:24 * TheLastProject hides
13:24 jordach          TheLastProject, no.
13:24 jordach          its nice and simple
13:24 jordach          UNLIKE GNOME 3
13:24 * TheLastProject looks at desktop
13:24 TheLastProject   Oh, hi GNOME3
13:24 TheLastProject   I'm not using it to be productive
13:24 TheLastProject   Because, let's be honest, it's anything but that
13:24 * darkrose       adds -stab to use flags, is immune to jordach
13:24 TheLastProject   It's a terrible mess
13:25 TheLastProject   And a design disaster
13:25 TheLastProject   But it looks nice
13:25 TheLastProject   :P
13:25 jordach          TheLastProject, http://pastebin.com/MrU3utds
13:25 jordach          red gnome 3
13:28 TheLastProject   I'm reading all of it, it's funny
13:28 * jordach        rages
13:29 cornernote       where is clay mostly found ?
13:29 jordach          near water
13:29 cornernote       it seems really rare
13:29 jordach          or sans
13:29 jordach          sand
13:29 jordach          natural water + sand = clay
13:29 cornernote       but then when i find it, theres tons and tons
13:29 jordach          ikr
13:30 cornernote       does it take time to be there ?
13:30 jordach          no.
13:30 jordach          WRONG
13:30 Calinou          XFCE FTW
13:30 Calinou          XFCE looks better than gnome 2
13:30 * jordach        wants to slap celeron55 for all those useless commits
13:31 TheLastProject   Well, I must say XFCE is pretty fine
13:31 Calinou          gnome3 is slow and boated
13:31 * jordach        lo-fives Calinou
13:31 TheLastProject   I bucked up my X
13:31 Calinou          I use debian testing + XFCE
13:31 Calinou          :3
13:31 TheLastProject   And no desktop environment/window manager would run
13:31 TheLastProject   And XFCE was like "dude, I'll run, no problem"
13:31 TheLastProject   And it worked perfectly
13:31 Calinou          trolling FTW; people keep saying things like "UVE DONE WRONG STUFF TESTING ISNT FOR NOOBZ LIKE U" but I still use it
13:31 TheLastProject   But everything else, GNOME, KDE, Awesome, idk was like "nope"
13:31 jordach          TheLastProject, STAY AWAY FROM LINUX
13:31 Calinou          KDE lol
13:32 TheLastProject   jordach, Why? :(
13:32 TheLastProject   It's so much more enjoyable to use than Windows :(
13:32 jordach          you bucked x window up
13:32 jordach          this should tell you something
13:32 TheLastProject   >Implying X is great software
13:32 cornernote       do things like clay and ore grow back over time ?
13:32 darkrose         no
13:32 * jordach        wants to know the legality of removing celeron55's spleen
13:32 cornernote       or u have to go further and further to mine ?
13:34 * jordach        is compling with make -j16
13:35 jordach          make -j16 - for people who cant wait
13:37 TheLastProject   jordach, BTW, Calinou may possibly still remember that, when I first used Arch I couldn't figure out how to start DBUS before KDE so KDE kept segfaulting on me on boot :3
13:38 jordach          lol
13:38 Calinou          lol starting everything by hand
13:38 Calinou          this is why outofthebox distros were invented, and are better
13:38 Calinou          jordach, make -j
13:38 Calinou          ^ uses all your jobs
13:38 Calinou          -j without anything after j
13:38 Calinou          cornernote, ores cannot "grow"
13:38 Calinou          LOL
13:38 * Calinou        farms ores using an hoe
13:38 TheLastProject   Calinou: What's wrong with only starting the junk you need, so you don't waste boot time with useless daemons you don't use anyway?
13:39 Calinou          hard and takes time; not worth it
13:39 Calinou          <TheLastProject> It's so much more enjoyable to use than Windows :(
13:39 Calinou          windows is enjoyable because it Just Works, and has good compatbility and good drivers
13:39 jordach          Calinou, i quite like using windows
13:39 Calinou          linux is enjoyable if you don't play games and are lucky with hardware
13:39 * jordach        waits for steam on linux
13:39 Calinou          mac os can go fuck itself
13:39 Calinou          lol steam on linux
13:40 jordach          macsa
13:40 darkrose         people still use windows?
13:40 TheLastProject   Calinou, Windows is not enjoyable at all
13:40 jordach          macs, we want to know everything about you
13:40 TheLastProject   It's terrible
13:40 TheLastProject   An hour in Windows makes me cry, really...
13:40 TheLastProject   Even on Linux I can get my stuff done SO much faster than on Windows
13:41 jordach          then try VISTA
13:41 Calinou          why?
13:41 Calinou          lolvista
13:41 TheLastProject   jordach: I used Vista
13:41 TheLastProject   GOD
13:41 TheLastProject   Luckily 7 is SOMEWHAT better
13:41 TheLastProject   Though still not great
13:41 Calinou          <TheLastProject> Even on Linux I can get my stuff done SO much faster than on Windows
13:41 Calinou          how?
13:41 TheLastProject   Calinou: python2 build.py -> works
13:41 TheLastProject   Instead of C:\Python27\python.exe build.py
13:41 Calinou          "tar -xzvf porn.tgz; cp porn -roeijfizhnubfuyfuyu lol; python node.js"
13:41 Calinou          ^ average linuxians
13:41 Calinou          this is what I fucking hate about linux
13:41 TheLastProject   Only to have it fail after 10 seconds
13:42 Calinou          python on windows is bleh; this is why python is bleh
13:42 TheLastProject   Errr... Why would you...
13:42 jordach          y u not use MS OFFICE
13:42 TheLastProject   There are unzipping utils
13:42 TheLastProject   LibreOffice FTW
13:42 TheLastProject   I'm not going to remember "tar -xzvf"
13:42 TheLastProject   Who came up with that dumb syntax anyway?
13:42 TheLastProject   xzvf?
13:42 TheLastProject   What?
13:43 TheLastProject   Oh well :P
13:43 TheLastProject   Sometimes command lines are awesome, sometimes a GUI is much nicer
13:43 TheLastProject   git commit -m "Blahblahblah"
13:43 TheLastProject   Much easier than some crappy GUI
13:44 Calinou          http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2480
13:44 Calinou          OFFICIAL TROLL THREAD 2012
13:44 Calinou          MADE BY MAUVEBIC(R)
13:44 Calinou          upboats TheLastProject for libreoffice
13:44 EVOx             hello
13:44 Calinou          hi
13:45 EVOx             i've got a question about the minetest, are there monsters in the night?
13:45 Calinou          mauvebic should come to this IRC.
13:45 Calinou          :xc
13:45 Calinou          :c*
13:45 Calinou          EVOx, not in 0.4.x
13:45 Calinou          only in 0.3.1 (in caves, not at night at the surface)
13:45 EVOx             ah okay
13:45 Calinou          the latest version lacks any mobs :/
13:51 TheLastProject   Dammit Three Rings Designs e-mail me back :(
13:51 jordach          OOO the rings for you TheLastProject
13:52 TheLastProject   (Dammit, my buildbot isn't working :()
13:52 Calinou          http://c55.me/blog/
13:52 Calinou          GAH
13:52 Calinou          "its" not "it's" (near "rough edges")
13:53 Calinou          "There currently does not exist a complete changelog since the latest of the 0.3 series. I’ll figure that out and post it in the near future. It will be LONG. as. hell."
13:53 * Calinou        points to himself
13:54 * jordach        points to himself
13:54 Calinou          https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4_changelog.txt
13:55 EVOx             how about the servers population?
13:56 EVOx             are there many players or better where can i check who's online?
13:56 TheLastProject   Calinou, Thanks
13:57 Calinou          EVOx, not really
13:57 EVOx             okay
13:58 EVOx             last night i tried one of the servers and i think i was alone ^^
13:58 EVOx             then i changed over to singleplay mode and tried some things because i'm new to the craft scene ^^
13:59 jordach          i think we know
13:59 VanessaE         morning all
14:00 jordach          http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-145952.php TROLL
14:00 EVOx             morning ^^
14:01 TheLastProject   lolol
14:01 VanessaE         (oops)
14:01 jordach          wth VanessaE
14:01 Calinou          hi
14:02 VanessaE         Ctrl-W -> wrong window.
14:02 jordach          keyboard shortcut failure
14:03 VanessaE         no, focus-follows-mouse, rather than focus-follows-eyes
14:22 jordach          sup
14:30 afkael           Hola!! someone I can spend a server?
14:30 VanessaE         ?
14:30 afkael           sorry.. i dont speak english..
14:31 afkael           a server address?
14:31 VanessaE         you mean a list of servers?
14:31 afkael           all is offline
14:31 afkael           yes!!!
14:32 VanessaE         redcrab.suret.net port 30401
14:32 VanessaE         minetest.ru port 30001
14:32 VanessaE         those are two that I use
14:32 afkael           ok
14:32 afkael           gracias!!
14:32 VanessaE         mt1.gameboom.net port 30001 (but you need a gameboom account)
14:32 VanessaE         not sure if ecube's server is online, but it is ecubechat.co.cc port 30000
14:33 VanessaE         er, typo error, gameboom is port 30000
14:34 afkael           ok
14:34 VanessaE         note that some of these might not work with minetest 0.4.1 because the servers are not updated
14:40 Calinou          port 30000, not 30001 for gameboom VanessaE
14:40 Calinou          ecube's sucks :P
14:40 VanessaE         [07-22 10:33] <VanessaE> er, typo error, gameboom is port 30000
14:40 Calinou          ah
14:41 VanessaE         you suck. ;-)
14:41 Calinou          still no "remember password" thingie :c
14:41 VanessaE         yeah I know
14:41 VanessaE         it needs a server manager
14:49 Calinou          Kray, will you update the minetest servers?
14:49 Calinou          hi Jeija
14:49 VanessaE         afternoon Jeija
14:50 jordach          Jeija IS AWESOME
14:51 Jeija            Hi!
14:52 Calinou          Jeija made the mesecons mod. Rumors have it that he programmed it during a power outage in the summer of 1812 while he was carrying infants out of a burning church which was built on the back of a giant opossum. Also he is 11'6" tall and glows in the dark.
14:52 Jeija            How do you know???
14:53 VanessaE         Jeija: Y U no like my battery textures? ;-)
14:55 Jeija            "EDIT:  Actually those won't work, now that I see how the nodeboxes play out in practice."
14:55 VanessaE         hehe
14:55 VanessaE         I suppose I shoulda qualified that more:
14:56 VanessaE         the top texture may look weird, since you made them look sorta like a container filling up/draining out
14:56 VanessaE         but seeing what you used, they may work fine after all :-)
14:56 Fixer            is kray's server online? and redcrabs too?
14:56 jordach          no.
14:56 jordach          both dead
14:56 jordach          likethe bones mod
14:56 Fixer            funny
14:57 Fixer            what is not dead?
14:57 Jeija            k, I`m busy with another minetest related project, I can change the textures later on or maybe tomorrow
14:57 jordach          minetest related?
14:57 VanessaE         the one I submitted includes a "dead" option also btw
14:57 Jeija            ingame mod manager
14:57 jordach          sweyt
14:57 jordach          sweet
14:58 Calinou          <Jeija> ingame mod manager
14:58 Calinou          cool
14:58 Calinou          we really need some server list program imo
14:58 Jeija            For all that we need a central server
14:59 Calinou          yeah, and c55 needs to move his ass to improve the ping packet
14:59 Calinou          to add number of players, server name
14:59 Calinou          :p
14:59 VanessaE         https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
14:59 Jeija            I`m gonna code half of the modmanager in lua
14:59 VanessaE         c55 is definitely "moving his ass"
14:59 Jeija            1) because it is easier
14:59 VanessaE         just not on the ping issue
14:59 Jeija            2) because you can use it also in game, not just in menu
15:00 Fixer            http://servers.minetest.ru/
15:00 Jeija            why don`t you make it yourself?
15:00 Calinou          VanessaE, yeah :)
15:00 Calinou          <Fixer> http://servers.minetest.ru/
15:00 Calinou          a good start, but no number of players
15:00 Fixer            it can be improved probably
15:01 * VanessaE       can't play on redcrab's 30401 server anymore, at least for now :(
15:01 VanessaE         the mapblock I'm in is broken :(
15:02 Fixer            VanessaE: it is down for me
15:02 VanessaE         it's up
15:02 VanessaE         but it'll go down in about 10 seconds
15:03 VanessaE         oops, wait, wrong port
15:03 Fixer            30401 is down
15:03 VanessaE         you're right
15:03 VanessaE         damn
15:03 VanessaE         something bigger must have happened
15:03 VanessaE         you saw the posts on the forum?
15:04 Fixer            no, btw +37C
15:04 VanessaE         well long story short, something happened where I was digging that caused some kind of bug in the server.  Now every time I sign on, down it goes.
15:04 VanessaE         same happened for another user there
15:04 Fixer            lol!
15:05 Fixer            !seen redcrab
15:07 Calinou          !thisisnotgamesurge
15:07 Calinou          again
15:08 VanessaE         cisoun
15:08 Calinou          hi
15:08 TheLastProject   Ugh, every DE sucks :(
15:08 VanessaE         get XFCE :-)
15:08 VanessaE         It Sucks Less (tm)
15:09 Calinou          xfce FTW
15:09 Fixer            or TDM or MATE
15:09 Calinou          lacks some software unfortunately
15:09 Calinou          mate can go fuck itself
15:09 Fixer            or Cinnamonn
15:09 TheLastProject   TDM?
15:09 Fixer            TDE
15:09 Fixer            of course
15:09 Fixer            KDE=3.5
15:09 TheLastProject   Fixer, I just tried Cinnamon, bugged out on me completely
15:09 TheLastProject   Ah, Trinity
15:10 TheLastProject   Well, I already have KDE4 here
15:10 TheLastProject   And it conflicts and stuff
15:10 TheLastProject   So yeah...
15:10 Calinou          KDE sucks
15:10 TheLastProject   Calinou: EVERYTHING SUCKS
15:10 Fixer            use XFCE
15:10 Calinou          FTW
15:10 Fixer            GNOME 2 sucked, 3 is strange, KDE was always bloated
15:11 Fixer            i'm using xfce when i sometimes login into linux
15:11 Fixer            4.10 looks wonderful for me
15:11 Fixer            can't wait for it
15:11 Fixer            also, you can compile kde3/gnome/2 etc by yourself
15:12 Calinou          gnome 2 was ok, gnome 3 sucks, KDE is bloated
15:12 Calinou          lol, compiling a DE
15:12 Calinou          that's like compiling a kernel - useless
15:12 Fixer            well, people complained a lot about functionality of G2
15:13 Calinou          G1 fanboys? :p
15:13 Fixer            kde people, and people who don't like kde and g2
15:22 Jeija            Anyone know how to read a table that a lua function called from C++ returned in C++?
15:24 Calinou          how minetest view bobbing feels like: http://i.imgur.com/e6YHD.gif
15:26 VanessaE         heh
15:27 Fixer            btw, no need for screen shaking too much, it can annoy
15:38 * Calinou        disabled view bobbing amount (amount set to 0)
15:40 FreeFull         That's not how chicken heads actually move
15:40 VanessaE         I think the designers were going for a more cutesy/cartoonish look
15:40 FreeFull         Chicken heads move in a way that maximises the time the head isn't moving relative to the surroundings
15:41 FreeFull         Because chickens can't move their eyes
15:41 Calinou          :o
15:41 VanessaE         cars don't drift backwards half a meter before rocketing forwards when someone stomps on the gas either, but it looks good in such a situation
15:43 FreeFull         VanessaE: Maybe they would on a steep hill
15:43 VanessaE         ok, point conceded.
15:43 VanessaE         (in fact, mine does, and it has an auto trans in it)
15:43 VanessaE         but not normally, on level roads :-)
15:44 FreeFull         Anyway, that's why chicken heads move back slowly when they walk and then suddenly move forward
16:06 EVOx             which server is actually online? i got preoblems to connect to some servers listed
16:22 Calinou          EVOx, http://servers.minetest.ru/
16:22 Calinou          try this
16:23 VanessaE         bbl
16:57 Calinou          http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Version_History
16:57 Calinou          :3
17:11 Calinou          508 edits on minetest wiki \o/
17:11 Calinou          hi sfan5
17:11 Calinou              0
17:11 Calinou          0.4.1 out* :D
17:14 jordach          WE
17:14 jordach          KNOW
17:14 Calinou          NOT
17:14 Calinou          EVERYONE
17:14 Calinou          MAY
17:14 Calinou          KNOW
17:14 Calinou          RIGHT
17:14 Calinou          NOW
17:14 Calinou          BECAUSE
17:14 Calinou          IT
17:14 Calinou          WAS
17:14 Calinou          RELEASED
17:14 Calinou          TODAY
17:14 sfan5            LOL
17:14 Calinou          :}
18:08 jordach          hi cisoun
18:10 rsiska           If you have to use windows for some reason, I recommend you bblean! It's blackbox-like window manager for windoze. It makes the experience little less painful.
18:10 rsiska           oops, I was reading logs :D
18:11 jordach          tut tut tut tut tut tut
18:13 jordach          VanessaE, i have worked out connecting pipes ish
18:14 jordach          we have been stupid all this time
18:14 jordach          no node boxes
18:14 jordach          nada
18:14 jordach          some clever renders
18:14 Calinou          <rsiska> If you have to use windows for some reason, I recommend you bblean! It's blackbox-like window manager for windoze. It makes the experience little less painful.
18:14 Calinou          no u
18:14 jordach          (you cant see a join that is covered
18:15 jordach          Fixer_, what is your problem?
18:16 Fixer_           ?
18:16 jordach          your nick keeps changing
18:17 Fixer_           really? o_O
18:17 jordach          * Fixer_ is now known as Fixer
18:17 jordach          * Fixer is now known as Fixer_
18:17 jordach          * Fixer_ is now known as Fixer
18:17 jordach          * Fixer is now known as Fixer_
18:17 jordach          * Fixer_ is now known as Fixer
18:17 Fixer            now?
18:17 jordach          not now
18:17 jordach          wait a while
18:17 Fixer            i see
18:17 Fixer            it must be fixed now
18:17 Fixer            or not %)
18:18 Fixer            redcrab 30401 server is down at the moment
18:20 jordach          i know
18:20 jordach          he might be making a new world
18:20 jordach          completeyl
18:20 jordach          completely
18:20 jordach          no more old world
18:21 rsiska           Fixer: "at the moment"? It's down whole day!
18:21 Fixer            yeah
18:21 jordach          yep
18:21 jordach          dead sever
18:21 jordach          server*
18:21 Fixer            and kray's server
18:21 jordach          yep
18:21 jordach          my pixel art still works fine
18:21 jordach          :D
18:21 * jordach        just gave everyone a mdidle finger
18:22 jordach          (not in a literal sense, nor physical)
18:22 GTRsdk           woah
18:23 GTRsdk           I ran darkrose 's minetest server, and it has been up for a while (which i previously had issues with celeron55's, but not the absolute latest code...)
18:54 GTRsdk           now to try the latest celeron55 server code...'
19:23 Rafano           Hello. I've been unable to find where I was building after dying. Can anyone tell me how to get back to where I started?
19:23 Rafano           I'm in single player mode.
19:23 Rafano           I've zoomed around the area using fly but still haven't found it...
19:24 * VanessaE       peeks in
19:25 Rafano           I thought I'd have started at 0 0 0, but I tried /teleport 0 0 0 and I ended up in the middle of water...
19:25 VanessaE         jordach: connecting the pipes?  cool.  Let me know when you have something I can merge upstream :-)
19:28 Rafano           Nevermind. Got the coordinates I was doing things at from the terminal
19:29 VanessaE         Rafano: easiest way is to install the sethome mod
19:29 VanessaE         go to where you want to always return, /sethome
19:29 VanessaE         then just /home to jump back there from anywhere
19:29 Rafano           Thanks.
19:29 VanessaE         less typing than /teleport
19:33 jin_xi           did you try latest git? item limit bug fixed now?
19:34 VanessaE         it is and it ain't
19:34 VanessaE         in darkrose's branch it's fixed, unless she's since reverted it
19:34 VanessaE         but you can't use that branch with an 0.4.1 or earlier server - i.e. anyone else - because it requires a new server<->client protocol version
19:35 VanessaE         (otherwise, nearly everything shows up as "Unknown Block")
19:35 darkrose         VanessaE: should be fixed in celeron's git head now too
19:35 jordach          VanessaE, its different than what you think
19:35 VanessaE         darkrose: oh good.  when I last looked, he hadn't pulled those commits yet
19:36 darkrose         well, he's fixed part of it, so not sure if celeron's item limit is as high as mine
19:37 VanessaE         ah I see it now
19:40 VanessaE         now you just gotta convince him to pull in the 16 bit node ID - I still say go for overkill here
19:40 VanessaE         if you're gonna break the protocol, do it once and never touch that part again :-)
19:41 VanessaE         (in this case, 24 bit node ID, damn the effect on bandwidth ;-)  )
19:41 jordach          VanessaE, my pipes LOOK like they connect, but in fact, they dont :)
19:42 VanessaE         heh
19:42 VanessaE         screenshot?
19:44 jordach          http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-204419.php
19:46 * jordach        is too lazy to do a minetest window
19:46 * jordach        does one better, the whole screen
19:47 jordach          this mod is metal like nodes
19:47 jordach          cross girders
19:47 jordach          warning markers
19:47 jordach          pipes
19:47 jordach          scaffolding
19:47 jordach          (a fence)
19:47 VanessaE         interesting..um...pipes. :-)
19:47 jordach          VanessaE, unlike yours, they just fit together
19:47 VanessaE         mine are better :-)
19:47 jordach          the eye thinks they are connectd
19:48 jordach          excuse me
19:48 jordach          4 nodes
19:48 jordach          against 26?
19:48 jordach          which HAVE NO NODE BOXES?
19:48 jordach          again
19:48 jordach          nodeboxes are crap until we have a decent limit
19:48 VanessaE         4 nodes versus 20. :-)
19:48 jordach          mine just play the human eye
19:48 VanessaE         and only 10 if you only want "filled" or "empty"
19:49 jordach          well
19:49 jordach          mine touch 8 for filled/empty
19:49 VanessaE         8?
19:49 jordach          4 empty
19:49 jordach          these are for show
19:49 jordach          nothin special
19:49 VanessaE         you only need two for either - one vertical, one horizontal w/facedir
19:49 jordach          actually facedir dont work with how i got them working
19:49 jordach          theres and lr_alt
19:50 jordach          where the dir. is alterante
19:50 jordach          because facedirt dont work with tiles = "back.png", "front.png"
19:50 VanessaE         yes it does
19:50 VanessaE         that was just fixed
19:50 darkrose         ... now
19:50 jordach          (just pop a normal sideways into the craft and voila, alt dir
19:51 jordach          darkrose, im thinking of the windows users here
19:51 jordach          NOT latest git
19:51 VanessaE         0.4.1 != "latest git"
19:51 jordach          nope.
19:51 VanessaE         and has that feature
19:51 jordach          wrong
19:51 jordach          they wont rotate
19:51 jordach          nada
19:51 jordach          nix
19:51 jordach          no
19:52 jordach          dont believe me?
19:52 VanessaE         according to github, the facedir texture rotation bug was fixed just before 0.4.1 was released.
19:52 VanessaE         and I tested it myself.
19:52 jordach          try it: http://ompldr.org/vZXR4ZA/metals.zip
19:52 VanessaE         (just to make sure I didn't download the wrong version or something)
19:52 jordach          paramtype2 WILL NOT ROTATE THE DAM BLOCK
19:52 jordach          it stays
19:53 jordach          (and these nodes takes a mese pick to remove)
19:53 VanessaE         paramtype2 = facedir,
19:53 VanessaE         BZZT
19:53 jordach          what now
19:53 VanessaE         er wait
19:53 VanessaE         ignore me. :-)
19:53 jordach          am i right?
19:53 jordach          they WONT WORK
19:53 VanessaE         actually don't ignore me
19:53 VanessaE         you are wrong
19:54 VanessaE         NO QUOTES.
19:54 jordach          ?
19:54 VanessaE         paramtype2 = "facedir",
19:54 jordach          go on
19:54 jordach          yes
19:54 VanessaE         ^^^ homedecor large speaker
19:54 VanessaE         paramtype2 = facedir,
19:54 VanessaE         metals:pipe_lr ^^^
19:54 jordach          ya
19:54 jordach          i know
19:54 VanessaE         you need quotation marks around the "facedir"
19:54 VanessaE         otherwise you're trying to reference a variable.
19:54 jordach          :C
19:55 VanessaE         . o O ( You suck. )
19:55 VanessaE         ;-)
19:56 jordach          just tried them
19:56 jordach          nope.
19:56 jordach          still wont
19:56 VanessaE         show me the code :-)
19:56 VanessaE         (the revised code)
19:56 jordach          minetest.register_node("metals:pipe_lr", {
19:56 jordach          description = "Pipe",
19:56 jordach          tiles ={"metals_pipe_lr.png", "metals_pipe_lr.png", "metals_pipe_lr_join.png", "metals_pipe_lr_join.png", "metals_pipe_lr.png", "metals_pipe_lr.png"},
19:56 jordach          paramtype2 = "facedir",
19:56 jordach          is_ground_content = true,
19:56 jordach          groups = {snappy=1,bendy=2},
19:56 jordach          })
19:56 jordach          (too lazy)
19:57 VanessaE         did you copy the modified mod into minetest's mod folder? :-)
19:57 jordach          ni
19:57 jordach          nix
19:57 VanessaE         I forget to do that sometimes after working on a change
19:58 jordach          nada
19:58 VanessaE         minetest.register_node('homedecor:speaker', {
19:58 VanessaE         description = "Large Stereo Speaker",
19:58 VanessaE         tile_images = { 'homedecor_speaker_top.png',
19:58 VanessaE         'homedecor_speaker_bottom.png',
19:58 VanessaE         'homedecor_speaker_left.png',
19:58 VanessaE         'homedecor_speaker_right.png',
19:58 VanessaE         'homedecor_speaker_back.png',
19:58 VanessaE         'homedecor_speaker_front.png'},
19:58 VanessaE         sunlight_propagates = false,
19:58 VanessaE         paramtype = "light",
19:58 VanessaE         paramtype2 = "facedir",
19:58 VanessaE         walkable = true,
19:58 jordach          okoka
19:58 VanessaE         groups = { snappy = 3 },
19:58 VanessaE         sounds = default.node_sound_leaves_defaults(),
19:58 VanessaE         })
19:58 VanessaE         THAt works pefectly.
19:58 VanessaE         I'm tellin ya, you're just doing it wrong :-)
19:59 jordach          :(
19:59 jordach          shut up
20:01 VanessaE         :D
20:01 jordach          "mod failed to load and run"
20:02 jordach          alright
20:02 jordach          I HATE COMMAS
20:02 VanessaE         . o O ( You suck. )
20:02 VanessaE         ;)
20:03 jordach          was it supposed to tile round the WHOLE FRICKIN BLOCK?
20:03 jordach          fuck typos
20:03 VanessaE         if you give one tile, yes
20:04 jordach          tiles fine
20:04 jordach          UNTIL YOU FIND OUT ITS DOING THE BASTARD SIDEWAYS
20:04 VanessaE         lol
20:04 VanessaE         that's what ya get for trying to fake it :-)
20:05 jordach          fixed
20:05 jordach          YAY
20:05 jordach          :D
20:06 VanessaE         \o/
20:07 jordach          hmm
20:07 jordach          i want to connect a 't' like shape
20:07 jordach          but
20:07 jordach          the x and z node will have a leak? what would i do?
20:07 VanessaE         USE NODEBOXES and make a "cap" node :-)
20:07 jordach          note the unused texture in the zip VanessaE
20:08 jordach          im using a sign like node
20:08 jordach          rather than nodeboxes
20:08 * jordach        hates them
20:08 VanessaE         relax,
20:08 VanessaE         c55 and darkrose are working on a fix
20:08 VanessaE         her branch HAS the fix already
20:08 jordach          <VanessaE> her branch HAS the fix already O_O
20:08 darkrose         >.>
20:08 VanessaE         16-bit node ID = huge number-of-node[boxe]s limit.
20:09 jordach          ??
20:09 jordach          16 bit would give?
20:09 VanessaE         65536.
20:09 VanessaE         assuming every ID value could be used
20:09 jordach          hold on
20:09 jordach          THAT CANT BE RIGHT
20:09 jordach          no.
20:09 jordach          it cant
20:09 VanessaE         (more likely a bit less).  The current limit is 2048 because the field is 11 bits.
20:09 VanessaE         2^16 = 65536.
20:10 jordach          my endless map experiment oddly cuts out about 32600 nodes#
20:10 VanessaE         no matter how many times and ways you calculate it, the answer will be the same ;-)
20:10 jordach          the co-ordinates crash minetest
20:10 darkrose         signed vs unsigned jin_xi
20:10 VanessaE         darkrose: how many node IDs are "reserved" anyway?
20:10 darkrose         jordach
20:10 jordach          ya
20:11 darkrose         VanessaE: don't ask me, I just write the code
20:11 VanessaE         haha
20:11 VanessaE         you think I'm gonna ask celeron? ;-)
20:11 darkrose         that'd be more amusing for me
20:11 * darkrose       wanders off to bed
20:12 * cy1            merges while darkrose isn't watching
20:12 VanessaE         ok, I asked him.  let's see how big of an explosion it causes ;-)
20:12 Fixer_           a fix?
20:13 VanessaE         Fixer: make up your damn mind :-)
20:14 jordach          VanessaE, pipe caps http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-211339.php
20:14 VanessaE         not bad, but it has a problem.
20:14 VanessaE         wait a sec....is that a nodebox?
20:15 jordach          no
20:15 jordach          the black join texture gives it THAT LOOK
20:15 VanessaE         you need nodeboxes to make the thing actually sit flat against the neighboring node
20:15 VanessaE         otherwise it'll float.
20:15 jordach          i prefer elder minetest looks
20:16 cy1              https://github.com/cyisfor/minetest
20:16 VanessaE         hoho this from the guy who's using that AlienWorld texture pack :-)
20:17 VanessaE         cy1: push those node ID'
20:17 VanessaE         cy1: push those node ID's to 24 bits
20:17 jordach          VanessaE, im using gridtoon
20:17 jordach          thank you very much
20:17 VanessaE         ohg wait, so you are
20:17 cy1              I've basically been merging darkrose's changes the last couple days.
20:17 VanessaE         for some reason the metal pieces shifted my thinking toward the other one
20:17 VanessaE         as if gridtoon is anything but modern as well ;-)
20:18 * jordach        missed another comma
20:19 * VanessaE       won't be satisfied until the world minetest world is using one of her photorealistic texture packs ;-)
20:20 jordach          oops
20:20 jordach          had a leak http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-211943.php
20:20 VanessaE         s/the world m/the m/
20:20 VanessaE         hah
20:21 jordach          note the pipe cap
20:22 VanessaE         yeah I see it
20:22 * jordach        rolls my 7.1 dolby surround to the max volume
20:22 VanessaE         I was thinking that I need to add such to my pipeworks mod
20:22 jordach          yep
20:22 jordach          i love my 7.1 dolby surround sound
20:23 VanessaE         <celeron55> there are two values that are "locked"; they are "air" and "ignore"
20:23 jordach          i saw that
20:23 VanessaE         so 65534 node IDs are available in darkrose's branch
20:23 jordach          hold on a tick
20:23 jordach          i just saw something
20:23 jordach          strange
20:24 VanessaE         2174 in c55's existing code, now that that zlib buffer thing is fixed.
20:24 jordach          in 0.2 /3.x minetest <celeron55> they are something like 126 and 127 this appears often
20:24 jordach          wait
20:24 jordach          shh
20:24 jordach          OMFG
20:25 VanessaE         ?
20:25 jordach          i noted something
20:25 jordach          the older games
20:25 jordach          have those two numbers locked as wekk
20:25 jordach          well*
20:26 jordach          and whats even stranger is the fact nodeboxes exist back then
20:26 jordach          it was serverly de-limited to one cube/cuboid
20:27 jordach          aw man
20:27 * jordach        has floating islands
20:28 jordach          yep
20:28 VanessaE         well I'm glad they exist now
20:30 VanessaE         if not for nodeboxes, I couldn't make the lampposts in home decor (one is cylindrical, the other is cuboid, but neither has those damn fence rungs)
20:34 NakedFury        next for nodeboxes evolution is textures and then animated nodeboxes
20:34 VanessaE         I think per-nodebox textures will be...um...  difficult.
20:35 jordach          mc lampposts are cool: http://pbpdepot.com/minecraft/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/lamp_day.jpg
20:35 jordach          they use fences
20:35 VanessaE         I hate the look
20:36 VanessaE         that's why I made a type that doesn't use the fencelike draw type.
20:36 jordach          VanessaE, http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t414/FallenInternude/NewGlowstone17.png
20:36 NakedFury        is it possible to have a light source that does not light up around it but to an area it is looking at, like a flashlight
20:36 VanessaE         NakedFury: Mauvebic's Spotlight in the "lights" mod.
20:37 NakedFury        have you seen him on irc?
20:37 VanessaE         from time to time, yes
20:37 jordach          yep
20:39 jin_xi           http://i.imgur.com/lBaRE.png
20:39 VanessaE         heh
20:39 VanessaE         skin color is too light
20:40 VanessaE         should be dark yellow
20:40 jin_xi           qnd
20:40 VanessaE         the error at the top, is that related to the pic? :-)
20:40 * jordach        growls
20:40 jin_xi           yes. mt will think more than 49 entities in a node are too many
20:41 jordach          BUG ALARM
20:41 jin_xi           so it will delete them
20:41 VanessaE         tell c55 :-)
20:41 jin_xi           meaning you'll have to rehang your pics when you left your home
20:41 jordach          jin_xi, pixel art is MY JOB
20:41 jin_xi           because all the pixels will be gone...
20:42 jin_xi           also no redraw on re-enter world
20:43 sfan5            jordach: do you like linux?
20:43 sfan5            Fixer_: wtf are you doin' ?
20:43 bcnjr5           FINALLY fixed the computer!
20:43 jordach          ya sfan5
20:43 sfan5            :D
20:44 jin_xi           atm
20:44 VanessaE         hey bcnjr5!
20:44 VanessaE         long time no see
20:44 jordach          ive been using it for a while
20:44 bcnjr5           hi vanessae
20:44 bcnjr5           I am trying to save the server.
20:51 jordach          VanessaE, i have no idea on nodeboxes
20:51 jordach          too confusing
20:51 jordach          someone made a 3d sign i think
20:51 VanessaE         nodeboxes are easy
20:52 VanessaE         a nodebox definiton is simply:  { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 }
20:52 jordach          for a signlike drawtype
20:52 * jordach        has no idea
20:52 VanessaE         ok, for signlike, lesse
20:52 jordach          so fuck that
20:52 jordach          theres a reason why i wont use new stuff
20:53 jordach          they are not tried and tested enough
20:53 VanessaE         something like { -0.4, -0.25, -0.5, 0.4, 0.25, -0.4 }  would probably work
20:53 jordach          but i dont know how to put em in
20:53 VanessaE         that would create a flat nodebox almost as wide as the node, about half as tall, and 10% the thickness, centered on and placed against the node's "back" side.
20:53 VanessaE         drawtype = "nodebox",
20:53 VanessaE         ...
20:54 VanessaE         node_box = {
20:54 VanessaE         type = "fixed",
20:54 VanessaE         fixed = {
20:54 VanessaE         { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 },
20:54 VanessaE         { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 },
20:54 VanessaE         { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 },
20:54 VanessaE         { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 }
20:54 VanessaE         }
20:54 VanessaE         },
20:54 VanessaE         as many nodeboxes you want can be crammed into that fixed= section.
20:55 sfan5            VanessaE: 1.0 is a full node?
20:55 VanessaE         0,5/-0.5
20:55 VanessaE         a node is centered at {0,0,0}
20:55 VanessaE         so a full cube would be { -0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5 }
20:56 VanessaE         (which of course would be pointless ;-)  )
20:57 VanessaE         X is left/right, Y is up/down, Z is into/out of the screen (front/back)
20:58 jordach          jeija had code for this already
20:58 VanessaE         which is confusing if you still tend to think in 2 dimension :-)
21:02 jordach          ah
21:02 jordach          x1 and y1 are the z axis
21:02 jordach          and the reast are the 4 points seen normally
21:02 VanessaE         no
21:03 VanessaE         they are two sets of coordinates in 3D space.
21:03 VanessaE         and yes, facedir works with nodeboxes too....now. :-)
21:03 jin_xi           two corners of a box, diagonally, define its size
21:03 VanessaE         literally, they..
21:03 VanessaE         yes, what jin_xi said.
21:04 jordach          night all
21:04 jin_xi           ah well
21:04 VanessaE         <jordach>  *head asplode*
21:04 VanessaE         ;-)
21:04 sfan5            asplode?
21:04 VanessaE         it's a meme
21:04 jin_xi           a me-me?
21:04 VanessaE         it has to be misspelled 'asplode' to qualify
21:05 sfan5            jin_xi: a you-you?
21:05 jin_xi           foul bachelor here ;)
21:06 VanessaE         meme /meem/ (n.) 1. a funny saying, picture, etc. that has spread around the internet and resulted in many variants.  See also, cliche'.
21:07 sfan5            i have a wonderful idea what i can make with nodeboxes
21:07 sfan5            *an
21:07 VanessaE         what?
21:08 sfan5            3d bookshelf
21:08 NakedFury        a rectangle
21:08 VanessaE         you mean a real one
21:09 VanessaE         well do me a favor: figure out some way to use the existing texture ;-)
21:09 VanessaE         I played hell trying find a good enough stack of books to put in my photorealistic one
21:10 jin_xi           i thought about that too
21:10 jin_xi           make individual books contain text
21:10 sfan5            my thoughts 1min ago: i'm sure VanessaE will make the texture
21:10 jin_xi           and able to be placed in shelfes
21:10 VanessaE         I'd like to see signs that can be written on..
21:10 jin_xi           but then: how...
21:10 VanessaE         as in, visibly.
21:11 VanessaE         what about this whole node metadata thing?
21:11 jin_xi           to put canvas on easel in painting mod i use node above for canvas
21:11 sfan5            thats the problem with the mod api
21:11 VanessaE         can't that be exploited somehow?
21:11 sfan5            no
21:11 jin_xi           but no way to store entity in node
21:11 jin_xi           afaics
21:12 VanessaE         I meant for the text-on-sign idea
21:12 sfan5            you should be able to define extra render actions
21:13 VanessaE         I'll let someone else file the write-on-signs request :-)
21:14 VanessaE         if it hasn't already been.
21:14 sfan5            we need more advanced image modifiers
21:14 VanessaE         good luck getting c55 to agree
21:14 VanessaE         "useless" or "random" :-)
21:15 sfan5            like blank.png]^text;chunk testa;0;2
21:16 sfan5            so it would be ]^text;the actual text;x;y
21:18 sfan5            night all
21:55 VanessaE         zzz
22:52 thefamilygrog66  I just updated to 4.1 (on ubuntu) and now my inventory window is off the screen to the upper left - any ideas on how to fix this?
22:52 MiJyn            what version of Irrlicht do you have?
22:53 thefamilygrog66  let me check, one second
22:53 VanessaE         hey grog
22:56 thefamilygrog66  hey vanessa
22:56 thefamilygrog66  can't figure out where linux keeps the irrlicht...
22:57 VanessaE         vanessa@rainbird:~$ apt-cache show libirrlicht1.7a
22:57 VanessaE         Package: libirrlicht1.7a
22:57 VanessaE         [...]
22:57 VanessaE         Version: 1.7.2+dfsg1-1.1
22:57 VanessaE         that's what's current in Xubuntu 12.04
22:58 VanessaE         I'm building from git master right now; if it works, you want it?
22:58 thefamilygrog66  that's what mine says too
22:58 VanessaE         (CMD64 build for xubuntu 120.04)
22:58 VanessaE         (12.04)
22:58 VanessaE         BAH!
22:58 VanessaE         AMD64 build for xubuntu 12.04
22:58 VanessaE         THERE.
22:58 VanessaE         stupid fingers
22:59 thefamilygrog66  i386
22:59 VanessaE         oh, bummer.
22:59 VanessaE         well it's pretty easy to compile
22:59 VanessaE         https://github.com/celeron55/minetest
23:00 VanessaE         scroll down to the Linux section of the readme, it's dead simple :-)
23:00 thefamilygrog66  I just have the daily update automatically install on mine
23:01 VanessaE         huh.  I'd have thought the daily builds ppa would be good enough.
23:01 VanessaE         inventory looks fine in git master
23:02 VanessaE         there must be something going weird with the daily build bot
23:16 brobostigon      goodnight everyone, sleep well
23:16 VanessaE         hm
23:17 VanessaE         0.4.1 seems to work fine all the way around - except something is causing occasional, brief lags.  might be all the mods I have installed, dunno