Time Nick Message 00:00 VanessaE damn it, what's with my connection today? 00:00 VanessaE come on people, I've got some serious mining to do! ;-) 00:01 marktraceur Ha! 00:02 marktraceur https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/flowers should be up soon 00:02 * VanessaE grumbles at her connection 00:04 * marktraceur turns up the Pinback 00:18 marktraceur Geany is super-useful for cleaning up code 00:19 marktraceur Indentation functions, strip trailing whitespace, uniform indentation conversion, insert function headers and file headers 00:19 marktraceur Beautiful stuff 00:19 NakedFury downloaded it 00:19 NakedFury can you use Execute with lua? 00:21 marktraceur NakedFury: Probably not useful for minetest mods 00:21 marktraceur If you were writing a script in lua, probably 01:02 * marktraceur is getting a little bleary-eyed from the farming mod 01:06 marktraceur Perhaps time for more noms 01:14 * VanessaE offers marktraceur a hamburger :-) 01:14 VanessaE protein is good for ya :) 01:17 marktraceur Hm 01:17 marktraceur Good point 01:17 marktraceur Maybe not hamburger....maybe fried rice 01:18 marktraceur Or tacos....well, but I'd have to make it 01:18 marktraceur No, fried rice it shall be 01:18 marktraceur BBL 01:22 VanessaE mmmm fried rice... 01:34 Riddle ello 01:34 VanessaE hi 01:34 MiJyn yo Riddle 01:36 Riddle any idea whats broken in this world gen file? http://pastebin.com/puDyCWYu 01:36 Riddle trying to use it to add my ores, can't see whats wrong :( 01:38 Riddle does "generate_ore("mitchsmod:stone_with_gold", "default:stone", minp, maxp, seed+7, 1/24/24/24, 6,7, -31000, 64)" need a , after it? it doesn't in defaults gen 01:40 MiJyn it doesnt 01:40 MiJyn *doesn't 01:40 Riddle hmm, minetest crashes entirly when i run a new map with this 01:40 Riddle and idk >.< debug says nothing of value 01:40 Riddle no error 01:41 Riddle well, no good error 01:41 Riddle just 01:41 Riddle 22:36:45: ERROR[EmergeThread]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: LuaError: error: ...2\bin\..\games\minetest_game\mods\default/mapgen.lua:199: attempt to call field 'make_papyrus' (a nil value) 01:42 Riddle and that can't be me? 01:42 Riddle anything i do conflict with that? 01:43 marktraceur Riddle: Nope, doesn't seem like it 01:43 marktraceur Riddle: Have you modified the default mapgen.lua? 01:43 Riddle >.> not at all 01:43 Riddle i can redownload it and put it back incase? 01:43 Riddle only copy pasted i thought 01:43 Riddle needed the oregen part 01:44 marktraceur Nope, not necessary 01:44 Riddle hmm 01:44 Riddle any idea? 01:44 marktraceur I'm thinking 01:45 marktraceur Riddle: Can you remove the first two aliases (for stone and air) and see what that does? From what I see, they're totally unnecessary. 01:45 Riddle i thought i needed stone for the replacing but okay 01:46 marktraceur Doesn't look like it 01:46 marktraceur But if it breaks more, then we'll know you do 01:46 marktraceur And just to remove variables, if you could do a git pull on minetest_game, that would be pretty awesome 01:47 Riddle 1stttstill crashed, but did take longer 01:47 Riddle so what do you want me to do? 01:47 marktraceur Same error? 01:47 marktraceur Oh, you probably have a Windows build, no git 01:47 Riddle 22:46:33: ERROR[EmergeThread]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: LuaError: error: ...2\bin\..\games\minetest_game\mods\default/mapgen.lua:232: attempt to call field 'make_cactus' (a nil value) 01:48 marktraceur OK, so a more different error, anyway 01:48 Riddle yeah. cacti now >.> 01:48 marktraceur Well, that might just be because in that map, cactus was the first thing it tried to generate 01:48 marktraceur Can I ask, the file you posted to pastebin, where is that in your filesystem? 01:48 Riddle huh, should my gen include the cacti shit? 01:49 marktraceur Probably not, but answer the question 01:49 Riddle in mods 01:49 Riddle in my mod folder 01:49 marktraceur So path/to/minetest/mods/mapgen.lua? 01:50 marktraceur Seriously, tell me the full path 01:50 Riddle K:\minetest-0.4.dev-20120606-c57e508-win32\mods\minetest\MYMOD\mapgen.lua 01:50 marktraceur Mmkay 01:50 Riddle \MYMOD\ is actually my mod name but no matter 01:50 marktraceur Can you post the code of init.lua as well? 01:51 Riddle no reason not to 01:51 marktraceur My thinking exactly 01:52 Riddle http://pastebin.com/592iiKZG 01:52 marktraceur (ideally, you could have this on a git repository somewhere, and I could just have it, but meh) 01:52 Riddle little bit of white space, but yeah 01:52 Riddle i am still giting(lol) used to github 01:53 marktraceur "See README.txt for stuff and other information." <-- very helpful 01:53 marktraceur Riddle: You might be interested in http://openhatch.org/missions/git 01:55 Riddle hmm 01:55 Riddle also my readme just says i has no license copyright on anything inthere 01:55 marktraceur Riddle: You're overriding functions in default 01:55 Riddle what one? 01:55 marktraceur The sound functions 01:55 Riddle oh? 01:55 marktraceur default.node_sound_stone_defaults() and all 01:56 marktraceur And default.spawn_falling_node 01:56 Riddle i thought i was using them >.> are you talking on my ore blocks? 01:56 marktraceur Yeah 01:56 Riddle they are using the sound are they not? i didn't think i was righting anything? 01:56 marktraceur Line 426 of the init.lua 01:57 marktraceur That's a function definition 01:57 marktraceur Delete the bits that say "function default." until the end of those functions, you shouldn't need those 01:58 Riddle indeed, was editing default and cutting what wasn't mine, missed some stoof O.o 01:58 marktraceur Yuuup 01:58 marktraceur So now I have to ask: Is your pastebin the entire mapgen.lua, or is there more? 01:59 Riddle it is all of it. 01:59 Riddle all i wanted was the new ores to generate 01:59 marktraceur OK, next question: What's in your depends.txt 01:59 Riddle default 01:59 marktraceur Hm. 01:59 marktraceur This is all very strange. 02:00 Riddle untill the mapgen problem it all worked 02:00 Riddle the init was fine 02:00 Riddle i just had crafting for the ores from cobble >.> 02:01 marktraceur Riddle: Do you have the entire mod hosted somewhere? I feel like if I had it I could debug faster 02:02 marktraceur (and thanks for the nice break from the farming mod, I was starting to go a little stir-crazy) 02:02 Riddle those two files are it 02:02 Riddle and the pictures for textures 02:02 Riddle i can try to make a git repos for it 02:02 marktraceur That would be best 02:02 marktraceur Because otherwise it would be too piecemeal 02:03 Riddle on it 02:04 Riddle never bothered with downloading githubs thingy, just had an account, for somereason 02:05 marktraceur Downloading? 02:05 marktraceur If you have a git client it shouldn't need anything else 02:05 Riddle thats what i not has setup, only the website 02:06 marktraceur Ah, so you should download a git client. Do you need help with that? 02:07 Riddle i have it half done. forgot my git password >.< 02:07 marktraceur Riddle: http://openhatch.org/missions/windows-setup/ 02:07 marktraceur Just FYI 02:08 Riddle cool 02:09 marktraceur That will enable you to do things a lot more quickly, I think 02:10 Riddle maybe, or take time setting up :P 02:10 * marktraceur spends at least 50% of his time in a text editor or command prompt 02:10 marktraceur Probably more like 75%, though I do spend a lot of time testing in the browser 02:10 marktraceur I guess it depends mostly on what I'm hacking on 02:11 Riddle cool stoof 02:11 marktraceur In any case, I'd suggest spending ~10 minutes following that tutorial, it will enable you to contribute to projects a lot more quickly 02:11 marktraceur I can wait until you have your repo set up, I'm not in a huge rush 02:13 Riddle riddle is having brain problems setting up this git. 02:13 marktraceur That's OK 02:13 marktraceur Don't rush, take your time 02:13 Riddle indeed 02:13 marktraceur If you need help with a specific step, I'm here, or you can join #openhatch if you want a second opinion 02:14 Riddle my problem is i have a git repo, but i can't seem to put my folder in it. 02:14 Riddle derpin 02:14 marktraceur Huh 02:15 marktraceur What commands are you running? 02:15 Riddle i'm in that git client thingy, and i am trying to find where it made a folder that is to sync with git ? 02:17 Riddle got it 02:17 Riddle i think 02:17 marktraceur Um 02:17 marktraceur "In the git client" <-- how did you get to the "git client"? 02:17 Riddle https://github.com/MadHatter5/Minetest-Mod 02:17 Riddle thats the git. done 02:17 Riddle :D 02:18 Riddle it was a downloaded client from github 02:18 marktraceur Ugh 02:18 marktraceur Please look through the mission I linked 02:18 Riddle k 02:18 marktraceur It'll be a lot faster and more universally helpful 02:19 Riddle anyways, i got that thing online, doing my apparent mission >.> 02:21 marktraceur I do not get an error 02:21 Riddle rly? 02:21 Riddle weird 02:21 marktraceur Yarly. 02:21 Riddle very weird 02:21 Riddle i wonder if my default init is corrupt 02:21 marktraceur It would be best for you to pull the latest git of minetest, or get the latest build you can, to confirm that it doesn't work 02:22 Riddle gonna do that. 02:23 Riddle 0606 is latest dev is it? 02:24 marktraceur Noooo 02:24 marktraceur That's rather old 02:24 Riddle O.o site shows it at top, i must be in retarded land 02:24 marktraceur Let me try to find a new dev build for you 02:24 marktraceur sfan5: Didn't you make a 20120627 windows build? 02:25 marktraceur Riddle: Because celeron55 has been AWOL for at least a week 02:25 marktraceur Maybe two? I dunno 02:25 Riddle okay 02:25 Riddle i see 02:25 marktraceur Anyway, your mod works, it generates properly, so be proud :) 02:26 Riddle so :D 02:26 Riddle now to wonder why it doesn't here 02:26 marktraceur Oh 02:26 marktraceur Damn it 02:26 Riddle maybe canadian PC's are retarded 02:26 marktraceur Maybe not 02:26 marktraceur Hold on 02:26 Riddle crashed? 02:27 marktraceur Yeah 02:27 Riddle fk 02:27 marktraceur I don't know how to put mods in the right place, evidently 02:27 Riddle lol ? 02:27 Riddle if it cheers you up. my first mod was IN the default folder. i added a include and mashed in new blocks. 02:28 Riddle didn't work well. 02:28 marktraceur Ew 02:28 marktraceur Yeah, I can imagine 02:28 Riddle would have been great for SP, but some guys i play games with wanted to try my mod, and it was like... EW 02:30 marktraceur AHA 02:30 marktraceur THERE'S THE DEVIL 02:30 Riddle ? O.o 02:35 Riddle wow 02:35 Riddle the game just ran fine for like 2 mins in my new copy 02:35 Riddle then flat out canceled the whole window 02:45 marktraceur Raaauuuuggghhhhh 02:45 marktraceur Display manager crashed 02:45 marktraceur That was fun 02:45 Riddle O.o 02:46 Riddle i bet it was 02:46 marktraceur OK 02:46 marktraceur So at the beginning of your init.lua file, there's a line that reads "default = {}" 02:46 marktraceur You are TOTALLY DELETING everything in the default init.lua 02:46 marktraceur So don't do that 02:46 marktraceur And then it should run 02:47 marktraceur I can't vouch for the accurate generation of the ores, but I can say that it will at least load after that 02:48 Riddle should that default = {} be my mod = {} ? or just nil it 02:48 marktraceur No 02:48 marktraceur Delete that line 02:48 Riddle done 02:48 marktraceur You could also delete the definitions of default.whatever 02:48 marktraceur Those might not work very well 02:49 Riddle yet to crash :D 02:50 marktraceur Hm? 02:50 marktraceur It still crashes? 02:50 Riddle nope 02:50 Riddle yet to 02:50 marktraceur Ah 02:50 Riddle you fixed it :D 02:51 Riddle now to tunnel around for those ores 02:51 marktraceur Woot! 02:51 Riddle make sure they exist 02:54 Riddle is there a screen shot button? its not f2 02:54 VanessaE F12 02:54 VanessaE tor use your OS's screenshot key (e.g. printscreen) 02:54 Riddle my screen = 3200 by 900 02:55 Riddle where do they go? 02:55 VanessaE whatever your current working directory is 02:56 Riddle thanks 02:56 Riddle http://filesmelt.com/dl/screenshot_3975140263.png lookie 02:56 VanessaE what are they? 02:56 Riddle gold and obsidian 02:56 Riddle :D 02:56 VanessaE (and what's this on the upper left?) 02:56 VanessaE gold? part of moreores. 02:57 VanessaE pick a different ore :-) 02:57 marktraceur Riddle: Noice. 02:57 Riddle gold = part of my own ores, i made mine, all i have for mods is the default and mine 02:57 Riddle upper left = mumbles game overylay 02:57 VanessaE still, it looks good 02:57 marktraceur Ooh, cool 02:57 * marktraceur forgets that he has mumble running 02:58 Riddle the obsidian i mades gives of light amounts of light :D 02:58 Riddle somewhere i will find uranium, it gives off whatever maxlight = at the time 02:59 marktraceur Oh wow 02:59 Riddle they all worked, just wanted them in world gen :D 03:00 Riddle gtg. thanks bye 03:00 marktraceur Eeeuuuughhhh, farming is so bad 03:00 Riddle add llamas, they will calm you :) 03:01 marktraceur For example 03:01 marktraceur "if randomval < value[5] then" 03:01 marktraceur What is value? 03:01 marktraceur Randomval is clear, but wtf is value[5]? 03:01 marktraceur "if randomval < crop.junglegrass_seed_chance then" <-- my version is much clearer 03:01 marktraceur (of course, I don't know yet whether it runs) 03:33 * marktraceur is about ready to hit sapier for making this mod the way it was made 03:35 NakedFury is that part of your Farm Mod? 03:37 marktraceur NakedFury: Yes, I'm rewriting the farming mod 03:37 marktraceur Because it's just....it's bad 03:37 marktraceur I'll be glad when it's over, let's say that much 03:38 marktraceur He used entities for almost everything, it was awful 03:40 NakedFury I thought you were starting from zero 03:41 marktraceur NakedFury: Nope 03:42 marktraceur This works out fine, it has a lot of helpful things in it 03:56 marktraceur Wasn't there a way to specify that an ABM should occur if a specified node is *not* adjacent to the node being tested? 04:27 marktraceur All right, farming mod is almost done 04:30 sfan5 :D 04:30 sfan5 marktraceur: i made no minetest build recently 04:31 marktraceur Oh 04:31 marktraceur Hm, thought you had 04:31 marktraceur Somebody did..... 04:31 marktraceur thexyz, maybe 04:35 marktraceur Calinou: Huh, now I'm getting the mouse-moving-up error, too 04:36 marktraceur Must be an upgraded package 04:37 Calinou since when devs randomly put bugs in their packages? :| 04:39 darkrose marktraceur: re slowness, don't remember the time, but it was really crawling at one point 04:41 marktraceur OK 05:02 marktraceur I gotta say, I'm really happy that Lua worked the way I expected it to 05:04 marktraceur Lol, the water lilies really pile up 05:25 Calinou I gotta say, I'm really happy that Lua worked the way I expected it to 05:25 Calinou for what? 05:33 marktraceur Calinou: Closures 05:33 marktraceur Almost identical to JavaScript 06:13 noob is anyone on I have a queation 06:14 marktraceur noob: Don't ask to ask, just ask! 06:14 Calinou yes? 06:16 noob hi calinou would you try to get on minetest.ru on port 30001 06:17 Calinou why? 06:17 noob I cant seem to get on and im wondering if its a client prob or just server 06:18 marktraceur noob: Appears to be down 06:18 Calinou can't 06:18 noob dang 06:18 noob how could it possibly go down? 06:18 Calinou because griefing 06:18 marktraceur noob: It's not like it's some infallible server, stuff happens 06:19 noob oh 06:19 Calinou minetest being free makes it much easier to grief 06:19 noob and not grifing 06:19 noob no griefers on at the time i was 06:19 Calinou there's no real way to protect it; other than using protection mods and graylists 06:19 noob protection mods? 06:19 noob grey lists? 06:20 Calinou graylist: prevent guests from editing the world 06:20 Calinou protection mods: prevent everyone from editing certain parts of the world 06:20 noob oh 06:20 noob graylist good 06:20 noob prtection good 06:20 noob why arent those there? 06:21 Calinou because laziness to check & add people 06:21 Calinou and to handle protection requests 06:21 noob dang 06:21 noob how do i contact xyz? 06:21 marktraceur noob: He might join here at some point, please be patient. 06:21 Calinou he's not on IRC right now 06:21 Calinou don't know 06:22 noob i have not seen him on.... 06:22 noob i have been on a lot yet he hasnt been on... 06:22 marktraceur noob: Because you haven't been patient 06:22 noob yes patients has a lot he will come on moment im patient... 06:22 noob i still dont see him im patient now... 06:23 Calinou 15 seconds != patient 06:23 marktraceur noob: See, that's the opposite of patience 06:23 noob ...... 06:24 marktraceur Wow, a whole five minutes 06:24 marktraceur The ADHD generation triumphs once more 06:25 Calinou ADHD? 06:25 Calinou anyway, lol. 06:25 marktraceur Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder 06:25 Calinou is this a real acronym? 06:25 marktraceur Yep 06:25 marktraceur Means "No ability to focus, does many different things in sequence" 06:26 marktraceur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder 06:29 * Calinou just installed chromium on debian. 07:05 marktraceur All right, new versions of flowers and farming now ready for general consumption 07:06 marktraceur Now loaded into marktraceur.info 07:07 emspri thexyz has not been online for 4 days 07:07 marktraceur emspri: That sucks 07:07 marktraceur There are other people around to chat with, though 07:07 * marktraceur waves and smiles enthusiastically 07:08 emspri *test 123 07:08 emspri * test 123 07:08 * emspri test 123 07:09 marktraceur Been fun! 07:10 cornernote hi everyone 07:10 marktraceur Hi! 07:11 cornernote i am running the latest nightly build, and i cant seem to make a book from 3 paper 07:11 cornernote do you think it could be because of one of the mods i have ? i might try with no mods 07:12 marktraceur *nods* could be 07:12 marktraceur 3 in a row, vertically? 07:15 cornernote yeah 07:15 cornernote on any row, none work 07:15 cornernote horizontally 07:15 marktraceur Not horizontally, vertically 07:16 cornernote oh 07:16 cornernote wiki is wrong then - http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Paper 07:19 * marktraceur reads Lua, no need for wiki 07:24 * Calinou codes in binary, no need for a programming language 07:24 Calinou cornernote, heh, going to update the crafting template :P 07:26 Calinou cornernote, done - refresh to see ;) 07:27 marktraceur I appear to have failed at rewriting the flowers mod 07:30 Calinou rewrite of flowers mod... cool 07:30 Calinou we need a way to farm flowers :P 07:32 marktraceur Well, install my mod and you'll have more than you can handle! 07:32 marktraceur Seriously, it's broken, there are too many 07:33 marktraceur I think I need to write in a death rule 07:33 marktraceur Some chance that a plant will die 07:44 Ririshi Hey guys! 07:46 marktraceur Ririshi: Hi 07:46 marktraceur ! 07:46 Ririshi How are you? 07:47 marktraceur Oh, pretty good 07:47 marktraceur Got out two rewrites, only one of them exploded, counting it as a win 07:50 Ririshi hah. 07:50 Ririshi I got on and I see my house was partly griefed >: 07:51 marktraceur Aw, that sucks 07:53 emspri on wat server do u play 07:54 marktraceur emspri: Who? 07:54 Calinou marktraceur, plants should only regrow near a craftable "plant seed" then 07:54 Calinou a plant seed would require several kinds of flowers and some dirt to be crafted. 07:55 marktraceur Calinou: Hm, maybe not 07:55 emspri Ririshi 07:55 marktraceur Plants should grow wild, but they should also die 07:56 emspri brb 07:56 marktraceur I like the way it is right now 07:56 Ririshi haha. 07:56 Calinou flower death should be rare 07:56 Ririshi emspri: I play on gameboom. 07:56 Ririshi some idiot were saying ¨tonight will be the time blabla¨ 07:57 Ririshi the time has come.. 07:57 marktraceur Ririshi: The state of #minetest, sadly, is "ask a question, leave a minute later" 07:57 Ririshi oh lawl. 07:57 Ririshi didn see. 07:57 Ririshi not used to my client XD 08:07 Ririshi Why does the moreores mod use unknblock textures for the non-mined ores? 08:08 marktraceur Ririshi: What version, and what do you mean by non-mined? 08:09 Ririshi if its still as a stone 08:10 marktraceur OK 08:10 Ririshi as a mineral in a cave for example 08:10 marktraceur Where did you get the mod? 08:10 Ririshi official site.. 08:10 Ririshi or.. the topic 08:10 marktraceur Link? 08:11 Ririshi http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mod_list from here 08:11 Ririshi and then moreores 08:12 marktraceur Ririshi: https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/moreores should fix it 08:13 marktraceur I guess Calinou didn't pull in my fixes 08:14 Ririshi how can I download that? 08:18 Calinou Why does the moreores mod use unknblock textures for the non-mined ores? 08:18 Calinou the latest version works just fine with textures afaik 08:19 Ririshi I dont have the latest then? 08:20 Calinou get the latest from the all-mod package or the more ores thread 08:22 Ririshi I already have the newest -.- 08:22 Ririshi 130627 08:23 Ririshi 120627* 08:25 marktraceur Calinou: And your license statement on the forum post is incorrect, FYI 08:27 Calinou erm, yes 08:27 Calinou going to change it 08:27 Calinou done 08:27 marktraceur Thanks! 08:28 Ririshi sigh 08:29 Ririshi marktraceur: what should I do to download/get that fix? 08:29 marktraceur Ririshi: Calinou appears to indicate that the fix was already uploaded 08:29 marktraceur But you should be able to use git to grab my changes 08:30 Ririshi what is git? o.o 08:30 Ririshi I´m a noob. 08:30 marktraceur Ririshi: Ah, don't be so down on yourself, you're new to a community that's very difficult to enter :) 08:30 marktraceur Ririshi: http://openhatch.org/missions/git 08:30 Calinou as a windowsian, I am proud to provide you... the TARBALL! 08:31 Calinou https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/moreores/commits/master 08:31 Calinou > download master as .tar.gz 08:31 marktraceur Ririshi: Also, if you're using Windows, http://openhatch.org/missions/windows-setup/ 08:31 Calinou you have to use 7-zip to extract it 08:32 Ririshi seems like I can use winrar for it? 08:35 Calinou segfault22 is banned from the forum... 08:35 Calinou Ririshi, don't 08:35 Calinou winrar is da hell 08:35 Calinou it works but it sucks :P 08:35 Ririshi why? 08:40 Ririshi fuu. 08:40 Ririshi I downloaded the fix.. still having the same problem.. 08:42 Calinou did you put it in the correct folder? 08:42 Ririshi mods/minetest 08:43 Calinou did you put it so that it _replaces_ the init.lua in moreores? 08:44 Ririshi eh. 08:44 Ririshi I just copied the whole folder. 08:53 Ririshi I _replaced_ it now. 08:53 Ririshi still unknblock >: 08:59 cornernote Calinou, the paper on the wiki is the same 09:01 cornernote i installed mesecons, but i have never seen a mese block... any tips on where to find them ? 09:01 Ririshi very deep :p 09:01 marktraceur cornernote: They don't spawn above -67 in the Y direction 09:02 Ririshi just do /teleport 0,-30975,0 09:02 Ririshi you´ll find loads of mese there 09:02 Ririshi or was it.. -30795 09:02 Ririshi lawl 09:03 cornernote im in space 09:04 Ririshi just mine around and place a torch 09:04 cornernote no, i mean i was up 09:05 cornernote i can see other ppls names below me 09:05 Calinou cornernote, http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Paper 09:05 Calinou > crafting template now in use 09:05 Calinou and minor edits 09:05 Calinou cornernote: They don't spawn above -67 in the Y direction 09:05 Calinou -64 09:05 cornernote ahh, ok, i was looking at the crafting guide 09:05 Calinou and there is more mese starting from -128 09:07 Ririshi Calinou: I used the old_init.lua and it works now. 09:07 Calinou :o 09:07 Calinou well, it's the old, "improper" code 09:07 Ririshi the proper one didnt work lawl. 09:08 Ririshi It didnt take the right pics or sth? 09:08 Ririshi idk 09:08 marktraceur Ririshi: If you could give us a copy of the debug log, and/or do some more detective work, it would be helpful 09:10 Ririshi marktraceur: okay 09:13 cornernote i went to 0,-1000,0 ... whats the chances i will see mese after digging out a 5 minute cave ? 09:16 marktraceur cornernote: I'd say 90% 09:17 cornernote after adding the mod, do i have to regenerate the world ? 09:17 cornernote or will they just start to appear ? 09:18 Ririshi quite big.. 09:18 Ririshi Or.. I dont know. 09:21 Ririshi calinou: was the mese generating chopped down? 09:21 Ririshi I´m at -25K and still found 1 mese in about 3 minutes 09:21 Ririshi marktraceur: even at -30K, I dont see mese? 09:36 cornernote yay, i found 2x mese =) 09:38 Ririshi ;D 09:38 Ririshi :D 09:39 Calinou I have 200 mese on redcrab's 09:39 Calinou 900 on gameboom 09:39 Calinou pwnt 09:39 Ririshi lawl. 09:39 Ririshi Calinou: why is there WAY more mese in Gameboom than in the server I just played *offline* 09:40 Calinou because it's a 0.3 map 09:40 Calinou and there was more mese deep underground 09:40 Ririshi oh 09:40 Ririshi so mese doesn´t get spawned as much anymore? 09:40 Calinou well most of it is 0.2 actually 09:40 Calinou yes 09:40 Ririshi aww 09:40 Calinou still too much imo 09:41 Ririshi where are the textures stored in 20120606? 09:41 Ririshi oh found em 09:42 cornernote whats the key to see info (eg, position, etc) ? 09:43 Calinou F5 09:44 Calinou top-left of screen, see the 3 numbers between parenthesis 09:44 Calinou X,Y,Z - Y being altitude over sea level 09:45 Ririshi Calinou? 09:45 Calinou ? 09:46 Calinou textures: games/minetest_game/mods/default/textures 09:46 Ririshi I´m making a *super-pickaxe* 09:46 Calinou beat you to it 09:46 Ririshi and then for tool_capabilities 09:46 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1882 09:46 Ririshi how to make it be *superlonglasting* 09:46 Ririshi I dont want the whole pack lawl 09:46 Calinou beat you to it 09:46 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1882 09:46 Calinou it's not a pack 09:46 Ririshi i mean. 09:46 Ririshi all stuff from that mod 09:47 Calinou you're not forced to use all the mod 09:47 Calinou you might use the admin pick only 09:49 Ririshi ok ok :p 09:51 Ririshi lawl I changed 100K blocks with 2 commands XD 09:51 brobostigon good morning everyone. 09:52 Ririshi hey brobostigon! 09:53 brobostigon hey Ririshi 09:53 Ririshi Hello Bad_Command! 09:58 Ririshi why don´t we have animated water? 10:04 marktraceur Ririshi: 'cause nobody's added it yet 10:05 marktraceur Or maybe, someone has and it was t3h slow 10:22 cornernote how do you get lava in the bucket ? 10:23 cornernote i got it =) 10:30 cornernote the lava bucket does not seem to power the furnace 10:38 Calinou 18<27marktraceur> Or maybe, someone has and it was t3h slow 10:38 Calinou tried it; it glitches 10:38 Calinou cornernote, left click water/lava source 10:38 Calinou using a lava bucket as fuel would be inefficient, as the bucket would be lost 10:38 Calinou use coal instead or wooden planks or cacti or leaves 10:39 jordach calinou, make a mod 10:40 cornernote then what do you use a lava bucket for ? 10:41 Calinou decoration, burning stuff (creates fire when flammable stuff is nearby) 10:41 Calinou :P 10:41 Calinou and hurting people when pvp is disabled 10:42 cornernote i see, it can store the lava in it, then you tip it out later 10:42 cornernote where do i get a plant for a power plant ? 10:42 cornernote also, thanks for your help... makes the game a lot more fun when there is people to help 10:43 cornernote =) 10:45 cornernote if you put your water bucket in the top floor, it aparently floods the house :( 10:45 cornernote *tip your water bucket 10:46 cornernote it becomes a water source ? 10:46 Calinou infinite sources can be created, yes 10:50 cornernote i see, u can fix it with a bucket... just take the source away 11:05 cornernote there is no jungle grass in 0.4 ? http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Biomes#Jungle 11:45 loerwyn Hey. Having a major stress issue with Minetest :( 11:46 loerwyn I seem to be unable to switch my hotkey items, and I honestly cannot work out how to do it. 11:55 cornernote loerwyn, just click an item, then click the slot where you want it to go 11:55 loerwyn That doesn't work, it just drops it on the floor. 11:56 cornernote im not sure then, sorry im new... could be a bug cos it works for me 11:56 cornernote oh, sec... 11:56 cornernote press I 11:56 emspri hi 11:56 cornernote does that help ? 11:56 emspri need help ?? 11:57 emspri pres q if u wanna drop something 11:57 cornernote he wants to swap the slot of an item, so it can be accessed with a hotkey 11:58 loerwyn Yes. I want to get wood blocks from my inventory into, say, hotkey slot 4. 11:58 cornernote yeah, press I 11:58 loerwyn Creative mode if that helps, but I couldn't do it in the other mode either. 11:59 emspri just drag wood from your inventory to the 4th slot of the upper line 11:59 cornernote os there no jungle grass in 0.4 ? 11:59 cornernote os=is 11:59 emspri sorry im not good at engllidh 11:59 jordach cornernote, these has not been for a while 11:59 emspri english 12:00 cornernote you can only /giveme to get it ? 12:00 jordach pretty much 12:00 emspri there is no jungle grass 12:00 cornernote thats not good :( 12:00 Calinou no jungles in 0.4 12:00 loerwyn That doesn't work, empsri. As I said, it drops it. 12:00 cornernote i need it to make power plants 12:00 jordach /giveme junglegrass 12:00 cornernote this game will be so good when its more complete... its soo good now!! 12:01 emspri does somebody know if minetest.ru is online ,, 12:01 emspri ?? 12:01 emspri cuz i cant connect to the server 12:02 Calinou it's down yes 12:02 Calinou reason unknown, probably resource usage/griefng 12:02 emspri o cuz i was woried about griefers 12:02 Calinou griefing is easy on minetest 12:03 Calinou :/ 12:03 Calinou grief-free servers are usually empty 12:03 emspri it was easyer if you could kill them cuz then they go to the spawn 12:04 Calinou > lava buckets, but buckets disabled 12:04 Calinou "OMG PEOPLE GRIEF WITH THEIR HANDS LETS DISALLOW HANDS" 12:05 emspri just make a house 2000 high like i did XD 12:06 loerwyn So we don't know how to switch items in the inventory, then? Oy :( No wood floor for me :( 12:06 emspri there should be something that only allows the placer to delete the block 12:08 emspri or a cam mod that records every player so we can watch them to find out who the griefer is 12:09 emspri brb 12:12 emspri Calinou do u know where thexyz is ?? 12:14 emspri he hasnt been online for 4 days 12:18 emspri hi van 12:18 emspri can you connect to the server ??? 12:19 cornernote loerwyn, press I, then you can click an item and change its pos in your inventory 12:20 VanessaE good morning 12:20 VanessaE emspri: I haven't tried, I just got up 12:20 emspri how late is it by you ?? 12:20 VanessaE 8:20am 12:21 emspri by me 14:20 12:21 VanessaE also, nope the server doesn't connect for me either. 12:21 jordach emspri, living near latvia? 12:21 emspri are you in amerika ?? 12:21 VanessaE western North Carolina, US. 12:21 emspri jordach i live in netherland 12:21 jordach damn 12:21 VanessaE Nederlander eh. cool. 12:22 emspri do they say nederlander in english ?? 12:22 VanessaE not usually, no. 12:22 emspri o ok in dutch the say that 12:23 VanessaE I may not speak/write in Dutch, but I've had plenty of exposure to that and other languages over the last 16 years by way of another chat I hang out on. 12:25 emspri do somebody know why somepeople wana be a teacher ?? 12:25 emspri i still dont get that 12:25 VanessaE it used to be to help people learn - it was a good thing. 12:26 VanessaE these days many just do it for money. 12:26 jordach VanessaE, thats the world for you 12:26 emspri youre rid of scool and then you wanna come back 12:26 VanessaE emspri: the difference is, when you teach you also have control over what goes on in the classroom, at least to a point. 12:27 VanessaE you're no longer subject to someone else's rules, outside of whatever your employer sets forth, of course. 12:28 VanessaE once you've been in school long enough, you start to see where things could be improved. That is often the inspiration for people to come back and teach - to fix what they saw as "wrong" when they were there as students. 12:28 emspri il hate scool for ever XD 12:28 VanessaE naw, eventually you'll hate it less. 12:28 VanessaE all kids hate school though 12:29 emspri when i was going to the higher scool stuf thing i was soo happy , then 2 monts later it sucked so hard 12:29 emspri XD 12:30 VanessaE part of what makes school suck so much is teachers who, themselves, are terrible. Either they don't maintain proper discipline in the classroom, or they're too much so, or they just suck when it comes to actually teaching their core subject. 12:31 VanessaE I have always said that if you can't learn something, assuming you have the interest in it, it's because your teacher sucks. 12:31 emspri you know wath priv i wana have ??? 12:31 VanessaE hm? 12:31 emspri worldedit !! 12:31 VanessaE hah! 12:32 VanessaE good luck with that 12:32 emspri XD il never get it 12:32 VanessaE besides, 30001 doesn't have worldedit installed. 12:32 emspri i know cuz its a mod 12:33 VanessaE yup 12:33 VanessaE brb 12:33 emspri brb im going to get a snack 12:37 emspri and im back 12:39 VanessaE back 12:42 emspri could it be that the prooftime of xyz is over 12:42 VanessaE the server stress test was over after only a few days. Now I just wish xyz would move the world to a stable (read: no lag) server 12:43 emspri the prooftime of mirc 12:43 VanessaE oh, screw mirc 12:43 VanessaE I use xchat 12:43 VanessaE he probably uses pidgin or irssi or something 12:43 VanessaE there are lots of truly free irc clients out there 12:43 emspri ow 12:44 VanessaE s/ow/oh/ 12:44 * emspri test123 12:44 VanessaE yes, /me works here too :-) 12:44 VanessaE (this is where it originated) 12:45 emspri brb 12:45 emspri o no brb yet 12:45 emspri could i use ban too XD 12:46 VanessaE no :-) 12:46 VanessaE in fact I don't think anyone here can - no operators. 12:48 emspri who has vacation ?? 12:48 VanessaE ? 12:48 emspri summer vacation 12:49 VanessaE no, the channel itself is messed up. no one thought to register themselves or the channel to ensure that there would always be at least one operator. 12:49 VanessaE so now it's stuck with none. 13:21 VanessaE there. now my desk is clean 13:35 VanessaE heyNF 13:35 NakedFury hey 13:38 cornernote what would be required to fix junglegrass ? 13:39 cornernote im reading some other lua mods, and they seem to be able to change the drop ratio of blocks 13:39 VanessaE just spawn it randomly like one does with flowers and what-not,. 13:39 cornernote perhaps i can change the drop ratio of weeds to sometimes give it ? 13:40 VanessaE no 13:40 cornernote in the junglewood, they do it like this 13:40 cornernote material = minetest.digprop_woodlike(0.3), 13:40 cornernote minetest.register_node("junglemod:junglewood", { .... material = minetest.digprop_woodlike(0.3), }) 13:40 VanessaE jungle grass should be a separate node, though I don't see any reason why it needs to be associated with jungles 13:40 cornernote i dont care where it spawns =) 13:41 cornernote but i dont know how to get the node to spawn 13:41 VanessaE one ABM to spawn it randomly (use my poisonivy mod as a basis maybe), and a second ABM to make it spawn as the top node on a stack of papyrus occasionally. 13:41 jordach VanessaE, my wool mod has an algorithm for that 13:41 cornernote whats an ABM ? (sorry to be a noob) 13:41 VanessaE jordach: as does my poisonivy mod :-) 13:41 VanessaE ABm = Active Block Modifier 13:42 VanessaE basically a randomly-triggered event where you do something to effect a change 13:42 VanessaE such as spawning a new node somewhere. 13:42 cornernote are there API docs? or we just read the source and other mods for ideas/examples? 13:42 VanessaE reading someone else's source is easier to understand than that travesty that is the minetest API. 13:43 VanessaE re: junglegrass: I would suggest at least 4 or 5 sizes of grass, all of which drop a single junglegrass item when digged. 13:43 cornernote most mods seem remarkably simple, which is really good 13:43 VanessaE (multiple sizes = more variety in appearance. 13:44 cornernote cant wait until some of the more complex ones are working, like vehicles =) 13:45 VanessaE heh 13:45 cornernote anyway, off to bed now... thanks for all the help and for all the time you guys take sharing your work! 13:45 VanessaE maybe I'll make a junglegrass mod :-) 13:45 cornernote its just that you need it for the mesecon mod 13:45 cornernote and you need that for other mods 13:45 VanessaE my homedecor mod needs it too. 13:45 VanessaE as does unifieddyes,. 13:46 cornernote yep 13:46 cornernote also, wanted to ask about something else... 13:46 cornernote instances 13:46 VanessaE instances? 13:46 cornernote i never played minecraft, but i played wow 13:47 VanessaE never playes WoW. 13:47 VanessaE played* 13:47 VanessaE nor MC. 13:47 cornernote instance is like... you get teleorted to another world 13:47 VanessaE oh 13:47 cornernote and in that world you play it like a fighting level 13:47 VanessaE well there is a teleporter mod, and the world is certainly big enough to create multiple sub-worlds. 13:47 VanessaE (think nyanland) 13:47 VanessaE (or nether) 13:48 cornernote nether looked awesome 13:48 cornernote if i am far enough away, will other players see my name tag ? 13:49 cornernote i guess it could be like the schems *.me files too.... you load your world, then you //pos1, then insert the dungeon 13:49 cornernote maybe in the sky or somewhere that nobody can get to 13:50 cornernote there is non-deletable blocks mod, so i could surround the region so that nobody can get in 13:50 cornernote then we can do things like mob drops 13:51 cornernote vendors 13:51 cornernote oh, and another aspect that may be really interesting... leveling, and items that can only be used by a given level 13:51 cornernote and if crafts can only be done at a given level 13:52 cornernote anyway, off to bed before i sit here and start coding instead of sleep! 13:54 emspri hi 14:05 emspri im so borred 14:05 VanessaE bored, you mean :-) 14:05 emspri bye 14:06 * emspri disconected 14:06 VanessaE er, bye... 14:06 VanessaE hah 14:06 emspri o no thats normaly blue 14:06 emspri XD 14:07 VanessaE nice try, nevermind your spelling sucks ;-) 14:07 emspri im not so good at englis XD 14:07 VanessaE heh 14:07 emspri english 14:07 emspri in the past i wrote inglesh 14:08 emspri i still dont know wats the good one 14:08 Calinou moreblocks update get! 14:08 Calinou :] 14:09 * VanessaE is testing an update for junglegrass 14:09 VanessaE woohoo, it works 14:09 VanessaE now I just have to tune the spawn rate :-) 14:10 emspri is there jungle grass ?? 14:10 VanessaE there will be when I'm done. 14:12 * emspri plays nyan cat lost in space 14:13 VanessaE the correct spelling, by the way, is "English" (with a capital E) 14:15 emspri The correct spelling, by the way, is "The" (with a capital T). 14:15 emspri XD 14:17 emspri do u have teamvieuwer ?? if yes can you download and set a texture pack for me if u want for 1 stack of mese ?? 14:17 VanessaE no I don't. 14:17 emspri ow ok 14:17 VanessaE installing a texture pack is dead easy though 14:18 VanessaE (well it is in Linux anyway) 14:18 emspri what is linux and lua 14:18 VanessaE Linux is an operating system. 14:18 emspri can u learn me to mod if u want ?? 14:18 VanessaE lua is a programming language, and is used to program mods for minetest. 14:18 emspri i want to make my own mods 14:19 VanessaE no, I couldn't teach you that - I'm still learning as it is. 14:19 emspri ok 14:20 emspri let me gues , now its 10:20 by you 14:21 VanessaE yes 14:21 emspri and i wrote gues wrong 14:24 VanessaE brb 14:27 emspri redcrab are u online ?? 14:31 emspri london bridge is falling down falling down falling down,london bridge is falling down my hot baby 14:32 VanessaE hot baby? 14:32 VanessaE a modern twist on 'fair lady'? 14:33 emspri i didnt know it was fair lady XD 14:33 VanessaE yup. 14:33 VanessaE No clue if there are any further versus to that rhyme, though. 14:33 VanessaE it's been years since I last heard anyone sing it. :-) 14:33 emspri brb 14:43 VanessaE should I allow jungle grass to spawn on sand too? 14:48 VanessaE mmm, maybe not,. 14:49 emspri brb longer cuz i have to clean up my room 14:59 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/junglegrass-20120708.zip 14:59 VanessaE new mod get! 15:01 VanessaE Calinou: new mod get! 15:01 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/junglegrass-20120708.zip 15:03 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30207 15:03 VanessaE there. posted for all to scoff at ;-) 15:07 emspri back 15:07 emspri how can i copy these sites ?? 15:07 VanessaE you should be able to just click on it to browse to it 15:07 emspri o i figured it out already 15:09 Calinou hi 15:09 * Calinou is commiting moreblocks updates using git 15:09 * Calinou edited his /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing rather than wheezy 15:14 emspri hi 15:16 VanessaE what's changing in moreblocks? 15:17 emspri what is moreblock 15:18 VanessaE one of Calinou's mods. 15:18 VanessaE :-) 15:18 emspri what does it do ?? 15:18 VanessaE it adds various mostly-decorative blocks to the game 15:18 Calinou and new crafting recipes, and new name aliases 15:18 VanessaE like ironstone, coal glass, etc. 15:19 Calinou finally no more "unknown" item when going /giveme stonepick 15:19 Calinou :] 15:19 Calinou doing* 15:19 VanessaE shouldn't it be pick_stone? 15:19 emspri im asking a lot of questions dont i ?? 15:19 VanessaE nothing wrong with asking questions, emspri, as long as you learn from the answers :-) 15:19 Calinou VanessaE, meh, I might add more aliases later 15:20 Calinou that'll do 15:20 emspri where can i find that moreblocks thing 15:20 Calinou people will often try /giveme woodpick, or woodensword, or such 15:20 VanessaE right 15:20 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=509 15:20 Calinou left 15:20 VanessaE Calinou: ok ok enough with your mods, go download mine! ;-) 15:21 Calinou no, sorry :} 15:21 emspri calinou can you teach me how to mod ?? 15:22 Calinou it's not easy; you should have basic scripting/programming knowledge 15:22 Calinou if you know how to use a note pad and have basic programming skills, 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15:34 marienz Calinou: probably no need to worry about that unless your website's inaccurate 15:34 VanessaE I do wish someone would fix the lack-of-ops issue here 15:49 Calinou erlehmann is inactive, yes :/ 15:50 Calinou as you can't really prove your identity on irc, op privilege can't be passed by staff to c55 15:51 VanessaE well it can be, it's more a matter of trust than proof. that said, I couldn't even begin to guess who should be the recipient of that privilege. 16:09 Calinou c55 obviously, he made the game ._. 16:25 VanessaE well yeah, but fat lotta good that does if he isn't here. :-) 16:34 * Calinou got quieted from #debian 16:34 Calinou this is pretty useless as I can /msg every single guy 16:34 Calinou distro ops tend to be advanced morons with lowercase names 16:38 jordach true 16:39 emspri NakedFury do u know why thexyz has not been online for a while ?? 16:48 Calinou noone knows 16:49 jordach emspri, he may have things todo you know 17:05 Ririshi Hey guys 17:08 NakedFury no emspri 17:19 marktraceur I saw what happened with emspri last night, that was pretty awful 17:19 VanessaE what happened? what'd I miss? 17:19 marktraceur VanessaE: He spammed the channel, marienz (freenode staff) came in and fixed it 17:19 Ririshi marktraceur: what happened? 17:19 Ririshi oh lawl. 17:19 VanessaE oh that 17:20 marktraceur "I'm bored" 17:20 VanessaE that was just a little bit ago 17:20 jordach aha 17:20 marktraceur Oh! Well, I was asleep anyway 17:20 jordach seen in my logs 17:20 marktraceur "Last night" == "during the last time I was unconscious" 17:20 VanessaE hahaha 17:21 jordach marktraceur, lawl 17:21 jordach really funny 17:21 VanessaE mark, junglegrass. get it. :-) 17:21 marktraceur I know, I know 17:21 VanessaE 17:21 marktraceur It's somewhere in the nature mod, I just missed it 17:21 VanessaE no, 17:21 VanessaE it's new. I just wrote it today. 17:21 marktraceur Oh! 17:22 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30207 17:22 marktraceur Links? 17:22 jordach VanessaE, i can write a even better one# 17:22 jordach that is inextricably linked to my wool 17:22 VanessaE pfft. wool, bleah. 17:22 jordach VanessaE, dont annoy the wool 17:22 jordach otherwise itll be 256 textures for you 17:22 * VanessaE taunts the happy fun wool, just for spite ;-) 17:23 jordach VanessaE, 256 wool colours? 17:23 VanessaE overkill. :-) 17:23 jordach my next version will have that, plus coca cola red 17:23 Ririshi go for 16million wool colours. 17:23 marktraceur VanessaE: Why you randomize inside of ABM? 17:23 jordach Ririshi, (node metadata can do this) 17:24 VanessaE it's how flowers was done, I didn't see much reason to change it 17:24 marktraceur Not my flowers 17:24 VanessaE ironzorg's. 17:24 marktraceur (though really, mine is still broken) 17:24 VanessaE junglegrass was derived from poisonivy, which was derived from flowers before you rewrote it. 17:25 marktraceur OK, I'll pull yours, modify it, let you know what I did, and fix my flowers to be more like your junglegrass 17:25 marktraceur Basically, there's no need to call randomness functions in an ABM, because the chance parameter already deals with that 17:25 VanessaE ahh 17:26 marktraceur (and I don't wonder that you should save some memory in the process) 17:27 marktraceur BBL 17:35 emspri im so borred without minetest :( 17:36 emspri can someone teach me how to make a server ??? 17:38 marktraceur emspri: When you play single player, you create a server 17:38 marktraceur Congratulations! 17:38 marktraceur (on an unrelated note, has anyone gotten ops privileges yet?) 17:39 marktraceur emspri: If you've built minetest, there should be a binary called "minetestserver" next to your "minetest" binary 17:40 emspri whats a binary ?? do u mean the bin folder ?? 17:43 marktraceur emspri: In basic terms, a binary file is a file that can be passed directly into your computer's CPU. Sometimes, through an intermediary. 17:43 emspri ow ok 17:43 marktraceur The "bin" _directory_ is where the minetest build process puts its results 17:44 emspri no i dont have minetestserver 17:45 emspri and i have privileges 17:46 emspri oh the server is back 17:46 emspri o no it did not 17:46 marktraceur What? 17:47 marktraceur You didn't have a server binary, but then did again, but suddenly it re-disappeared? 17:47 emspri no i was talking about minetest.ru 17:48 marktraceur Oh 17:48 marktraceur Well, focus, please 17:48 marktraceur So you don't have the proper binary, well, that's fine 17:48 marktraceur We can build it or find you a build 17:48 marktraceur emspri: Am I correct in assuming that you're using NT? 17:49 emspri what is that ?? 17:49 marktraceur The NT kernel? 17:50 emspri i think im using winrar 17:50 marktraceur The NT kernel is usually found at the heart of a Windows operating system, so if you're using Windows, you're using NT 17:50 emspri o then im usinh it 17:50 emspri using i mean 17:50 marktraceur OK 17:51 marktraceur There are build instructions in README.txt, in the minetest source. You should read them, but take heed of the warnings at the top. 17:51 marktraceur emspri: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt 17:51 marktraceur Scroll to where it says "compiling on windows" 17:52 marktraceur And do those things 17:53 emspri do i have to download all this stuf ?? 17:54 marktraceur emspri: Yes, they're the build dependencies. If you don't download them, it won't work. 17:56 jordach marktraceur, compiling in windows is blokkecks 17:56 marktraceur jordach: I don't know what that means 17:56 jordach i meant to type bollocks 17:57 marktraceur jordach: I agree, I'd much rather have him try it on GNU/Linux, but I assume that he'd say something like "wats that" and I would then be forced to visit violence upon him 17:57 marktraceur (not for ignorance, but for lack of proper grammar; I'm dangerously close to leaving as we speak) 17:58 jordach marktraceur, im a true dev - i use windows 7 17:58 marktraceur jordach: That's cute, carry on 17:59 jordach >_> 17:59 jordach marktraceur, just go to -mods 17:59 marktraceur VanessaE: What license is used for your textures? 17:59 jordach wtfpl and cc-by-sa on marked textures 17:59 marktraceur jordach: I am in #minetest-mods 17:59 marktraceur cc-by-sa it shall be 18:00 jordach marktraceur, thats why i left the minetest bit out 18:00 jordach emps has no idea 18:00 VanessaE if I made them entirely by myself, I'll have specified WTFPL. 18:00 VanessaE those which I derived from the ones included in minetest are GPL 18:01 jordach VanessaE, the minetest textures went cc-by-sa long ago 18:01 VanessaE minetest is all GPL unless someone has specified otherwise. 18:01 VanessaE still, I actually don't care what becomes of them :-) 18:01 VanessaE use them as you want, I'm just trying to comply with the game's primary license. 18:02 marktraceur This == why there should be explicit copyright information in every software release 18:02 jordach VanessaE, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/README.txt 18:02 marktraceur Aye, it's cc-by-sa 18:04 VanessaE ok, I'll make the necessary adjustments later. 18:04 marktraceur VanessaE: I've added license texts to the junglegrass mod where appropriate 18:04 VanessaE thanks. 18:05 marktraceur I also took out some debug information, but it should be easy to throw back in 18:07 marktraceur VanessaE: https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/junglegrass 18:08 VanessaE remind me later, I'm kinda occupied :-) 18:08 jordach VanessaE, two 6 inch subs from subway? 18:08 VanessaE no 18:08 VanessaE coding. 18:08 jordach what 18:08 jordach id like to be like that 18:08 jordach mmmmmmmm subway 18:09 * jordach now wants to order one, but the nearest one is miles away 18:09 jordach OH GOD I MISS MY BEARD 18:13 emspri buy one 18:13 jordach emspri, dont make me call the irc cops 18:14 emspri i almost have a small beard 18:15 jordach mine was shaggy 18:15 jordach long and shaggy 18:15 emspri i love beards later im never gonne cut it 18:15 marktraceur OK, so apparently there's a bug in the way I generate stuff.....maybe a bug in core, do not know 18:16 emspri and later il mary a woman with a beard XD 18:24 emspri brb 18:24 Ririshi LAWL 18:39 Ririshi hey guys. 18:39 marktraceur Ririshi: Hi! 18:41 Ririshi imma take a shower 18:41 Ririshi cya after that 18:42 marktraceur emspri: Any luck with the build? 18:43 emspri nope but im gonne stop wit it cuz its too hard for me 18:43 VanessaE DAMN IT. 18:44 VanessaE why does minetest have to give such meaningless error messages? 18:44 marktraceur VanessaE: What is it? 18:44 VanessaE 14:43:50: ERROR[main]: A serialization error occurred: 18:44 VanessaE 14:43:50: ERROR[main]: deSerializeString: size not read 18:44 VanessaE 14:43:50: ERROR[main]: The server is probably running a different version of Minetest. 18:44 VanessaE in *single player* mode. 18:44 VanessaE (I'm working on an update to one of my mods) 18:44 marktraceur emspri: Sorry to hear that. If you were on a GNU/Linux install, I'd be more helpful, certainly 18:45 marktraceur VanessaE: I think a lot of people have been getting that sort of error. 18:45 emspri i get it everytime when i begin single playae 18:45 VanessaE what does it mean in English? 18:45 marktraceur Well, I'm off to the store, good luck! :) 18:45 marktraceur Oh, fine 18:46 marktraceur Serialization is how the server and client send messages to each other 18:46 VanessaE right 18:46 marktraceur So deSerializeString is trying to read a message sent over the network 18:46 marktraceur But apparently, the size doesn't exist, so whatever message was being sent had an indeterminate size or some such 18:46 marktraceur That would be my guess 18:46 * marktraceur is out 18:55 saschaheylik this is BAD http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php 18:56 VanessaE wtf? 18:56 saschaheylik o.O 18:56 LandMine lol 18:57 VanessaE and OF COURSE I can't log in to revert that change (how the hell did the bot do it?) 18:59 LandMine IM SUPER BORED!!!!!!!! 19:01 NakedFury play a game 19:01 saschaheylik make a game 19:01 LandMine well playing mt isnt very fun anymore lol i already grief all known servers 19:03 VanessaE there. fixed. 19:03 VanessaE which is why you are bored. 19:03 VanessaE learn to actually build and play normally and it's far more fun. 19:05 marktraceur LandMine: Agreed, actually playing the game is awesome 19:06 LandMine go to ecube and gamebbom...i can build :) pretty good at that 19:06 LandMine brb taking abath 19:07 jordach the damn mine = emspr.i ? 19:22 emspri ?? 19:23 * VanessaE sighs 19:23 LandMine lol 19:57 VanessaE great, it's another one of these fucking out-of-item-slots errors. 19:57 VanessaE remove *any* mod from my current install, even completely unrelated ones, and the error goes away 20:00 VanessaE (there are 1261 items being registered, without the mod I removed. There are 1479 registered items including it.) 20:00 VanessaE I thought the game was supposed to allow up to 2048 registered items? (and even then, c55 said he'll probably expand that) 20:03 emspri are there 1261 items in minetest ?? 20:03 VanessaE there are in my install. by default though, there are only a hundred or so I think. 20:04 emspri ow ok 20:04 emspri jordach wats with emspri ?? 20:04 jordach ??? 20:05 emspri you said "the damn mine = emspr.i 20:05 emspri " 20:08 VanessaE 1353 and it still works. 20:08 VanessaE (I'm moving mods in and out of my install, trying to find the limit) 20:09 emspri that must be boring 20:09 emspri ?? 20:09 VanessaE coding can be at times, yes. 20:15 VanessaE 1399 items works, 1411 items breaks. 20:15 VanessaE the limit must be an even 1400. 20:16 emspri ok 20:16 VanessaE 1399 works, 1405 breaks. 20:17 emspri 1400 works 1401 breaks 20:17 VanessaE there must be more than what I'm counting, like recipes or something. 20:18 VanessaE 1400 is just too strange of a limit. 20:19 marktraceur VanessaE: Are any of them using legacy_ options? Are there aliases? 20:19 emspri do u know why some people have 124 or more blocks in one slot ?? 20:19 VanessaE oh there are plenty of aliases, not sure how many are using legacy_* 20:19 VanessaE emspri: /giveme dirt 9999 20:19 marktraceur emspri: /giveme command 20:20 emspri oo ok 20:22 VanessaE 1399 registered items, 1740 matches for just "ItemDefManager:" 20:22 VanessaE (in a single run of the debug.txt) 20:22 VanessaE it works with that, if I go over (1405 registered items as above), it dies with that deSerialization error 20:22 VanessaE so it ain't my code 20:23 VanessaE ever since he introduced these nodeboxes, the number of available slots for items seems to have just plummeted. 20:24 VanessaE (and I'm not even *using* them in the mod I'm working on) 20:27 VanessaE why in G*d name did c55 choose NOW to go on his little break? 20:27 Bad_Command he has a life 20:28 VanessaE I mean, couldn't these last couple of releases have waited until after he could expect to have to to debug them> 20:28 VanessaE IOW don't release if you can't be there to debug. 20:28 Bad_Command it wasn't released 20:28 VanessaE well you know what I mean 20:28 VanessaE last few commits then 20:29 VanessaE everyone's always being encouraged to "use the latest git" or similar wording. 20:30 Bad_Command Yeah, gameboom stays with releases: 20120606 20:30 VanessaE 20120606 is outdated. 20:30 VanessaE :) 20:31 marktraceur And it's even a *dev* release 20:31 BartoCH Bad_Command, yeah, I cannot join since the protocol from the git is 11 and gameboom is 10 >:( 20:31 Bad_Command BartoCH: just run two copies 20:31 BartoCH i can wait for an upgrade of your side 20:31 marktraceur BartoCH: You could whip up a shell script to checkout a specific commit and then start the game 20:32 marktraceur Checkout, build, start 20:33 BartoCH i know, but i'm enough a dickhead to be determined to run at the latest commit :-p 20:33 jordach BartoCH, self laughing is good 20:33 BartoCH jordach, sure 20:34 VanessaE so I reiterate: 20:34 BartoCH please, continue 20:34 VanessaE don't commit and push, and then tell people to use that (or fail to tell people not to) and then just disappear. 20:34 VanessaE either wait until after you're back to make that "this is gonna break things" commit, or wait to go on your break. 20:35 VanessaE (I'd opt for the former, to allow for as long and early a break as needed) 20:38 VanessaE 20:39 jordach night! but ill be gone until tuesday; in on a 2 day school trip to a theme park 20:39 VanessaE hell of a field trip 20:50 jordach|tablet havin trouble with landmine? 20:51 jordach|tablet i have A clever solution 20:52 marktraceur jordach|tablet: What is it? 20:52 jordach|tablet send illegal files within the server, then the copS find em, bam, no more Mines 20:52 jordach|tablet ever 20:53 marktraceur jordach|tablet: The problem is that we'd need to have those files in order to send them 20:53 jordach|tablet youre looking at him 20:54 jordach|tablet all we need is a modifid server module 20:55 jordach|tablet i also know a freecam beater 20:56 jordach|tablet server checks what chunks the entity is in, and if hes say over so many blockS, ip ban 20:57 jordach|tablet so the general chunk distance is 16*5 which is normal chunk viewing 20:57 jordach|tablet taadaa 20:59 jordach|tablet hmm. 21:00 jordach|tablet sounds about right, minetest should havs a player entity / camera 21:00 jordach|tablet if the camera is too faraway from the player, should indicate a hacker 21:01 marktraceur jordach|tablet: That doesn't make any sense 21:01 jordach|tablet ill give details tuesday, im afk All day tomorrow, eg, 2 day trip 21:01 marktraceur Oh boy 21:02 marktraceur OK, have fun 21:03 jordach|tablet ijr 21:03 jordach|tablet ikr 21:07 jordach|tablet Marktraceur, why not give him the dns changer malware, He will get cut off from the internet forever 21:09 marktraceur jordach|tablet: Because it's illegal 21:10 jordach|tablet depends 21:10 marktraceur jordach|tablet: On what? 21:10 jordach|tablet if the server was infected in minetestserver without knowing, then, in class, bada boom dns changer 21:11 marktraceur jordach|tablet: Causing changes on someone else's computer without their permission is illegal. 21:11 jordach|tablet see utoret 21:11 jordach|tablet utorrent help 21:12 jordach|tablet you can get iNfected without even knowing 21:12 marktraceur jordach|tablet: Someone has to intend that the infection happen 21:12 marktraceur And that person would be breaking the law 21:13 jordach|tablet well, since im going to switch to freebsd soon win 7 looks like a goodtest bed 21:13 jordach|tablet hmm. 21:13 marktraceur jordach|tablet: Are we even having the same conversation? 21:13 jordach|tablet loophole time. 21:14 marktraceur If you intend to change the operation of another person's computer without their authorization, you are intending to break the law. 21:16 jordach|tablet well. small print is awesome. 21:16 marktraceur jordach|tablet: No. No small print, no loophole, no exception. It's _illegal_. 21:17 jordach|tablet humans will try to beat others, even if it means death 21:18 marktraceur jordach|tablet: Maybe some humans will, but this isn't the place to discuss it. 21:19 jordach|tablet mark, humans want war over everything else. its genetic from the Neanderthal times 21:19 marktraceur jordach|tablet: Intelligent people realize the need to contain genetic impulses, hence, laws. 21:20 jordach|tablet in time, all turns to dust, see the universe in 100 Billion years time 21:21 jordach|tablet death is mandatory 21:22 jordach|tablet times the one thing ive got 21:23 jordach|tablet intelligene > brawn 21:27 marktraceur jordach|tablet: You realize, of course, that you're typing like a moron. 21:27 jordach|tablet tablet keyboards sux 21:27 dizzyone herp derp, hi 21:29 MiJyn yo dizzy 21:30 marktraceur dizzyone: Hi! 21:32 dizzyone (: 21:36 jordach|tablet okay, google put me in the weird bit again 21:36 MiJyn yay! 21:39 jordach|tablet2 frigin wifi 21:39 MiJyn lol 21:40 jordach|tablet2 my wpa went wrong 22:15 LandMine sfan you there? 22:20 marktraceur sfan5: ^ 22:20 marktraceur LandMine: If you say his entire name, he gets highlighted 22:21 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/edit.php?id=28399 22:21 VanessaE BAM!! 22:21 LandMine says i cant see it 22:21 marktraceur VanessaE: Private message? 22:21 LandMine ohhh ok mark 22:22 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=28399 22:22 VanessaE oops, copied the wrong link 22:22 VanessaE there it is. 22:22 LandMine mark do you know anyway to make it so the nuke mod by sfan doesnt destroy certain blocks? 22:22 marktraceur VanessaE: Nice 22:22 marktraceur LandMine: Not off the top of my head 22:23 marktraceur LandMine: Can you link to the code? 22:23 LandMine there 22:23 LandMine http://pastebin.com/L0CWuYjg 22:24 LandMine i was guessing the key was in line 125 22:24 LandMine if n.name ~= "air" then 22:24 marktraceur Yes 22:24 LandMine just add "or n.name ="dirt" 22:24 LandMine but that didnt work 22:24 marktraceur Exactly 22:25 marktraceur Can you post the new contents of that line here? 22:25 LandMine how i have it? 22:25 marktraceur Oh wait 22:25 marktraceur Not or, and 22:25 LandMine ok let me test it 22:25 marktraceur in n.name ~= "air" and n.name ~= "dirt" 22:26 LandMine didnt work 22:28 LandMine hmm anyone else have an ida? 22:28 LandMine idea*** 22:28 marktraceur LandMine: Post the new code, please 22:28 LandMine http://pastebin.com/7KXHHuA9 22:29 LandMine shorter version 22:29 LandMine what im making 22:29 LandMine i added if n.name ~= "air" and n.name ~= "dirt" then 22:29 LandMine line 88 22:29 marktraceur Maybe it should be "default:dirt" instead 22:29 marktraceur I don't know if that's necessary 22:29 marktraceur Also, "default:dirt_with_grass" 22:29 marktraceur Or something 22:30 LandMine let me see 22:32 LandMine it doesnt need default.....it doesnt destroy dirt but does destroy the one with grass 22:32 LandMine lol 22:32 marktraceur Ah. 22:32 LandMine but i see the fix was and instead of or 22:32 LandMine thank you 22:32 marktraceur Yup 22:33 LandMine i love you <3 22:36 emspri ??? 22:36 marktraceur emspri: Good question! 22:37 emspri are you guys gay ?? 22:37 marktraceur Wow. 22:37 marktraceur Any ops? Jordach-tablet, don't you have op privilege? 22:37 emspri whats op 22:38 marktraceur emspri: Operator, it means they have privileges on this channel 22:39 marktraceur emspri: In other words, please take your presumptions and homophobia elsewhere 22:41 LandMine lol 22:41 LandMine btw mark that didnt work 22:41 LandMine just made it make giant holes 22:41 marktraceur LandMine: What didn't? 22:41 marktraceur Oh 22:42 marktraceur Well, that's the purpose of it, right? 22:43 LandMine no 22:43 LandMine the reason why i dont want it to destroy certain blocks 22:43 marktraceur LandMine: What should be happening, but isn't? 22:43 marktraceur It's not destroying dirt, is it? 22:43 LandMine is cause i want it to make that block to send another nuke flying 22:43 LandMine they only way to do that is with an explosiuon 22:44 marktraceur What? 22:44 LandMine but i dont want it to destroy anything 22:44 LandMine just send the nuke flying 22:44 marktraceur So for dirt, it should spawn a new nuke, but not kill it 22:45 LandMine no for example x is launcher and z is nuck 22:45 LandMine nuck 22:45 LandMine nuck*** 22:45 LandMine so basically they would be together liek this 22:45 LandMine xz 22:45 LandMine when x explodes 22:45 LandMine it sends z flying 22:45 LandMine .......................................................z 22:46 marktraceur Hm 22:46 LandMine but i dont want x to destroy anything when it explodes 22:46 marktraceur I don't know, it would need some serious changes 22:47 LandMine i dont think so....just need to add a if conditional 22:47 LandMine so if node name= something 22:47 LandMine dont remoce 22:47 LandMine remove 22:55 LandMine ok marktraceur got it working like i want 22:55 LandMine now another favor can you look at this again 22:55 LandMine http://pastebin.com/L0CWuYjg 22:56 LandMine and tell me how i can edit the first lines so the nuke doesnt fall right away but goes up instead then falls? 22:56 LandMine cause it doesnt go very far 22:59 LandMine hahahahaha this is so COOL!!!!! 23:02 Jordach-tablet hey greifer 23:02 LandMine hi 23:02 LandMine :) 23:02 marktraceur LandMine: Look for setvelocity in the lua docs 23:02 Jordach-tablet my server is a house of fun 23:03 marktraceur The return value of add_entity should be a LuaEntitySAO 23:03 LandMine thats mark will look into it 23:03 LandMine right now i found out the higher it is the farther it goes 23:04 LandMine lol its so fun 23:06 Jordach-tablet i have a nice prototype server, (anti-xray, enforces server textures, anti-freecam, identifies loaded chunks reqested by players which are faraway and broadcasts to all players, anti-mesepick, converts nodes into unbreakable (regenerating) 23:07 LandMine cool story brah 23:07 VanessaE "enforces server textures" = I will never use it 23:07 VanessaE (I like my texture pack, tyvm) 23:07 Jordach-tablet landmine, i found sometHing hiding in minetestserver, And in the renderer 23:07 VanessaE hey grog 23:08 thefamilygrog66 howdy vanessa 23:08 thefamilygrog66 server been down for awhile? 23:08 VanessaE yeah 23:08 thefamilygrog66 drag 23:08 VanessaE yeah 23:08 VanessaE inthe meantime, I've been modding again :-) 23:09 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30207 23:09 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=28399 23:09 thefamilygrog66 cool - I've been checking out some other servers today 23:09 LandMine ok? 23:12 thefamilygrog66 whoa, that's a lot of colours! 23:12 VanessaE yup 23:13 dizzyone red-violet, what dreams are made of 23:13 thefamilygrog66 nice 23:13 thefamilygrog66 both those mods work with the latest release? 23:13 Jordach-tablet btw, 77 wool colours if you dont mind 23:13 VanessaE it was a toss-up whether to call that fuchsia or red-violet. settled on the latter because I couldn't figure out how to spell fuchsia ;-) 23:14 VanessaE grog: yes, written with that in mind. 23:14 dizzyone I vote for manly-violet 23:14 Jordach-tablet correct spelling vanessa 23:14 Jordach-tablet VanessaE: 77 shades of wool? 23:15 VanessaE yeah, correct spelling now, *after* I released it :) 23:15 thefamilygrog66 I'm going to install both of those and check them out - thanks v 23:15 Jordach-tablet wow, derpy 23:15 dizzyone technically though VanessaE 23:15 dizzyone if I may say 23:15 thefamilygrog66 see you on the server when it's back up 23:15 VanessaE wool? bleah. no more updates until you get your head out of your ass ;-) 23:15 dizzyone your violet is actually closer to indigo 23:15 dizzyone and red-violet is closer to violet 23:15 VanessaE dizzy: yeah I know, but to my eyes it's a nice shade thereof. 23:15 dizzyone but that's just a detail 23:16 Jordach-tablet head out my ass, no wonder why i hear so much shit :D 23:16 dizzyone and you spelled fuchsia correctly too :D 23:16 * Jordach-tablet pointed that out first dizzyone 23:18 dizzyone oh ): 23:20 dizzyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_pink 23:20 dizzyone tickle me pink :') 23:22 jdach-tblt-webbr hehe, tablet browser likes webirc 23:29 dizzyone so you cook stone and you get titanium dioxide? 23:32 VanessaE yup 23:32 VanessaE it was the only way I could think of that made any sense at all :-) 23:32 dizzyone there goes my stone soup mod 23:32 VanessaE haha 23:34 dizzyone maybe there should be a chemistry mod 23:34 dizzyone let you extract all kinds of rare earth 23:35 VanessaE hmmm... 23:35 VanessaE I dunno 23:35 VanessaE if someone writes it, I'll try to work in support for it but I ain't gonna be the one to do it ;-) 23:38 VanessaE hopefully c55 returns soon.. he said he was going to add a bunch of "content" to the game, one of which is some kind of dye system (hence my mod; my official offering to that end) 23:39 dizzyone I haven't played minecraft in ages 23:39 dizzyone so I kinda forgot how dyes are made 23:39 VanessaE no clue 23:40 dizzyone but yours is much better for having so many colors 23:40 VanessaE thanks :-) 23:40 VanessaE I was kinda going for slight overkill :-) 23:41 dizzyone you can never have enough shades of pink >:| 23:42 VanessaE heh 23:42 VanessaE well i think there's about half a dozen or so in this mod, depending on how wide your definition of "shades of pink" is :-) 23:45 dizzyone the alpha and the omega 23:45 dizzyone minecraft uses bonemeal 23:45 VanessaE bone meal!? 23:45 dizzyone to make lighter shades of colors 23:45 VanessaE gevalt 23:45 dizzyone yes, from skeletons 23:46 VanessaE I think deriving from stone is a little less macabre. :) 23:47 dizzyone well I don't know what kind of stone that is, but the internet tells me titanium is made from ilmunite 23:48 dizzyone http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Bone_Meal