Time Nick Message 00:18 VanessaE just noticed that. :-) 00:19 NakedFury there always seems to be a race to see who has their name in the motd for the longest 02:26 cy1 woooo public key challenge/response authentication for minetest works! 02:27 cy1 uh, not that I transmitted it over the network yet. 02:28 VanessaE um..cool? :-) 02:28 cy1 ...yeah not much to celebrate really 02:28 cy1 but what I'm trying to say is it will definitely work given enough effort, whereas before I was not so sure! 02:29 VanessaE so what's this do exactly? :-) 02:30 VanessaE a replacement for the usual username/passwd authentication mechanism for servers? 02:30 cy1 y-yeah. 02:30 cy1 you login with username = key fingerprint, and it issues a challenge, etc. 02:30 cy1 it doesn't do anything so much as solve two problems 02:31 cy1 1) the server has to store the passwords of every client in plaintext. 02:31 cy1 2) the client can't store passwords in plaintext on disk in the config file. 02:31 cy1 2*) so you have to use a password you can remember 02:31 cy1 combine 1 and 2 and you're asking for disaster 02:31 VanessaE and I take it the client/server also currently exchange said credentials over plain text also? 02:31 cy1 heh, yeah 02:32 VanessaE good, so that means we'll have a proper server/port/username/passwd manager soon? ;-) 02:32 cy1 some server gets cracked, all the passwords are the one password people use for everything, because you can only remember so many passwords... 02:32 cy1 yes, that is what I hope to do after this pubkey authentication works. 02:33 cy1 tricky though... 02:33 VanessaE nice 02:34 cy1 so you have a public key, which has a fingerprint. tail end of that fingerprint is your username, done. :I 02:34 cy1 that's what GnuPG does 02:34 cy1 but ofc 8 random hexadecimal numerals isn't exactly people's favorite idea of what to call each other 02:35 cy1 so you can set a sort of alias or nickname in GnuPG 02:35 cy1 but why should I be the only one allowed to use the alias cy? 02:35 cy1 and you VanessaE 02:35 cy1 surely there are other vanessa e's out there 02:36 VanessaE Probably :-) 02:36 cy1 so should it be that your alias appears over your head in the game, or your 8-digit ID thing? or both somehow? 02:36 VanessaE naw, just the user name is enough 02:36 cy1 what if there are two people w/ the same name? how to make the difference between them apparant, without forbidding them from using a name? 02:37 VanessaE wouldn't the server, by nature, tend to only allow one of those people on? 02:38 cy1 could make it so the server only allows users to have one unique username. but that 8-digit ID is exactly what that is, so why try to make it work with english, spaces, capital letters, numerals and such? 02:38 VanessaE I mean, if I sign in as VanessaE, and there's not already an account by that name, it creates one.....and if there is, I can't sign on because, effectively, I've given the wrong password or whatever? 02:38 cy1 the thing is, with pubkey authentication, your username is calculated. so you don't have to pick it. nobody can steal it though. 02:38 cy1 so you'd sign on, and then it'd ask you "Oh by the way what would you like to be called?" 02:39 VanessaE THAT would be okay 02:39 cy1 Might be best... 02:39 cy1 Then you'd see like 02:39 VanessaE no one says the server has to allow more than one person to use the same nickname. 02:39 cy1 well for me it'd be 02:39 cy1 Cy (0AC7DA56) 02:40 cy1 So another Cy you'd see the different number. 02:40 VanessaE no, that won' 02:40 VanessaE won't work 02:40 VanessaE normal peons won't know the difference 02:40 VanessaE ;) 02:40 cy1 could also have it so you could make certain users green or red like they're your friends or what 02:40 cy1 the difference is right there. don't have to know why it's different, to know that it is. 02:40 VanessaE yeah but people won't know that 02:40 cy1 well they won't have to 02:41 cy1 until someone starts spoofing people 02:41 VanessaE they'll just see "OH, that's Cy (why is his name followed with gibberish?)" 02:41 cy1 and then they'll learn quick 02:41 VanessaE and someone else signs on - same nickname but a different hex code 02:41 cy1 yes 02:41 VanessaE "Oh, he's on twice (and still more gibberish)" 02:41 cy1 ideally it'd be a trust network 02:41 VanessaE never rely on trust. 02:41 cy1 where you had circles of friends and such 02:41 cy1 and it'd just say how friendly some guy is likely to be 02:42 VanessaE no, don't do that 02:42 cy1 but in the absence of that people just have to intuitively recognize 02:42 VanessaE that invites cliques. 02:42 cy1 those 8 digits 02:42 cy1 no it's different from cliques 02:42 VanessaE I know 02:42 VanessaE but that's how people will use it 02:43 VanessaE think of your audience. 02:43 cy1 with a clique you need a consensus to let someone in, otherwise drama. so they force each other to not let people in. 02:43 VanessaE 12 year olds who can't find their asses with both hands, a road map and a flashlight ;-) 02:43 cy1 so they get closed off and reject ppl for no reason. 02:43 VanessaE (no offense if you're 12) 02:44 cy1 with a pubkey trust network, you can let anyone in your circle, without as bad of consequences on others in it. 02:44 cy1 so people can be chill if you make friends because it won't force them to make friends. 02:44 VanessaE I still think you're overcomplicating things 02:44 cy1 the trust network just lists who you're friends with, not that your friends have to be friends w/ each other 02:45 cy1 so cliques can stay open 02:45 cy1 and people can find their friends without pressure to be mean 02:45 cy1 well yeah it's totally way complicated 02:45 cy1 so i'm just going to add the (xxxxxxxx) at the end 02:45 cy1 let people construct these networks in their brain 02:46 cy1 but it's a fun thing to work on, to try to get a computer to do it. 02:46 VanessaE nonono 02:46 VanessaE one server, one nickname, no hex gibberish :-) 02:46 VanessaE no one's gonna be able to remember that one hex code means one guy, but a different one means someone else 02:46 VanessaE they're gonna see the name and ignore the rest 02:47 cy1 who is allowed to have what nickname? 02:47 VanessaE first come, first served, with a way to cancel an account 02:47 cy1 you just see a bunch of jlo199934 when you force unique names. 02:47 VanessaE nothing wrong with that? 02:48 VanessaE we've been seeing that kinda stuff since the first networks came into existence. 02:48 VanessaE (except it's usually the user's birth year or the year the account was created) 02:49 VanessaE thing is, 02:49 VanessaE if you try to allow multiple people to share a name, what happens when one of them starts griefing? 02:49 VanessaE do you really wanna deal with things like "what was the hex code after the person's name?" 02:50 VanessaE "no, that was someone else" "NO, it was XXXXXX I saw it you suck this server sucks OMGWTFBBQW.." 02:50 NakedFury I like the system but I also see the fraud problems 02:50 VanessaE (insert random string of expletives here) 02:50 NakedFury also it sucks to have many nakedury1244 too 02:50 NakedFury or cy3 02:50 VanessaE certainly so 02:51 NakedFury it means another person tried to copy your name and had to add numbers 02:51 NakedFury I hate ign with numbers 02:51 NakedFury then adding colors to second name choosers create a problem. why does he have a colored name and not me? 02:51 VanessaE I can see uses for them; on 30001, one of the users there is 'thefamilygrog66'. I don't know what the 66 means, but given he's a family man, I'd venture a guess its his birth year. 02:52 NakedFury how to deal with this issue in a good manner? cy already madea step forward and a good one 02:52 VanessaE absolutely 02:53 NakedFury could it be possible so copy/second names had the hex? 02:53 VanessaE any kind of crypto layer is better than clear text. 02:53 NakedFury like original VanessaE has no hex 02:53 cy1 grog is a clan, not sure the details 02:53 cy1 saw one of their houses before 02:53 VanessaE now THAT might be workable. 02:53 NakedFury any other vanessae after her has a hex? 02:53 VanessaE the original nickname is plain, any copies have the hex code 02:54 VanessaE (but I still think the hex codes will be ignored by most pepple) 02:54 VanessaE people* 02:54 NakedFury of course that adds a new problem 02:54 cy1 I'd also have an interface where you could see what name had which keys. 02:54 NakedFury name taking 02:54 VanessaE no 02:54 VanessaE getting too geeky now, Cy 02:54 cy1 no like for admins 02:55 NakedFury in case of such a system would it be possible to add a time limit for saving the name? 02:55 cy1 you could go "the griefier was named naked of the fury" 02:55 cy1 and admins go look at all the keys with the name nakedfury 02:55 NakedFury any tool for admins is a good tool 02:55 cy1 yeah, letting people bogart names is bad 02:55 cy1 i2p has that problem 02:56 cy1 like 90% of the named eepsites were just around for a week and now in the db by that name dead forever. 02:56 NakedFury if a player doesnt use his name for a given amount of time, the account is deleted, time set by admin 02:56 VanessaE Newnet does that 02:56 cy1 well, at least the alias for that account 02:56 NakedFury it prevents someone stealing names of trusted players 02:56 VanessaE after 30 days, your nick is deregistered. 02:56 VanessaE (I think) 02:57 NakedFury perhap even add an admin tool for quick account deleting 02:57 cy1 well ok so per-server unique human readable names, first come first serve, that expire after like 30days or w/ev. 02:57 cy1 NakedFury: fairly sure /ban does that 02:58 NakedFury an impostor vanessae connects faster on minetest.ru then the real vanessae is f u ck 02:58 NakedFury ok 02:58 VanessaE make it 60 days 02:58 cy1 then a thing where you can see the hex ID if you want 02:58 cy1 VanessaE: admin configurable 02:58 VanessaE some people play rarely 02:58 VanessaE ok 02:58 cy1 but what if a griefer gets somone's name 02:58 cy1 and then they come back? 02:58 VanessaE simple: 02:59 cy1 and they're like "I want my name back" and the griefer is like "lolololo no" 02:59 cy1 Like DNS squatters. 02:59 VanessaE nickserv has a ghost command, no? 02:59 cy1 DNS squatters are so horrible. 02:59 NakedFury it helps having a forum topic of the server and asking for those things too 02:59 VanessaE or otherwise a way to force the release of a name 02:59 cy1 VanessaE: yeah, but after the name expires... 02:59 VanessaE or at the very least, have a way to contact the server admin to resolve the dispute. 03:00 cy1 sure 03:00 cy1 IRC :B 03:00 VanessaE :P 03:01 VanessaE so then the name expires - but no one can re-register it for say 60 days further, and then only the person who last had it. 03:01 cy1 "I've got the name you want, and I log in every 59 days to keep it. Pay me 26 gold coins and I'll stop doing that so you can have it." = DNS squatters 03:01 VanessaE well thaty makes no sense actually. 03:01 VanessaE forget the 60 days there. 03:02 VanessaE if it expires, give the last owner say 90 dyas to re-register it, and in that time, only he or she can do so (by supplying the same username/passwd as before)... if they don't in that time, it becomes open season 03:02 VanessaE days* 03:03 cy1 oh oh 03:03 cy1 I got it 03:03 cy1 arena battul 03:03 VanessaE ? 03:03 cy1 punchpunchpunchpunchpunchpunchpunch 03:03 VanessaE heh 03:03 cy1 make an arena and have people duket it ou for names 03:03 cy1 ...duke it out 03:03 VanessaE I think not :-) 03:06 cy1 just make squatting instant grounds for losing your name, especially trying to sell it 03:06 cy1 for 03:06 cy1 anything 03:06 cy1 even like, just mese 03:06 VanessaE agrees. 03:06 VanessaE agreed. 03:06 cy1 then there's no motivation to sit on nicknames forever 03:06 VanessaE and if you register a name and don't start playing within, oh, a week, it gets registered. 03:06 VanessaE de-registered that is 03:09 cy1 anyway can have sophisticated stuff like that later, so for now it's just each player has a nickname 03:09 cy1 and if yours is taken it cries 03:09 VanessaE heh 03:09 VanessaE let's just keep it simple 03:09 VanessaE first-come, first-served, 03:09 VanessaE and EVERYONE NEEDS A PASSWORD. 03:09 cy1 w-well yeah 03:10 VanessaE for G*d sakes, no empty password allowed. rip that function right out of the game. 03:10 cy1 you don't use a private key without a password 03:10 cy1 can have an agent store it though, in theory... 03:11 VanessaE now, 03:11 VanessaE you still have to allow plaintext authentication for older clients 03:11 VanessaE (and servers) 03:11 VanessaE but of course it should lean toward your crypto layer if available 03:12 cy1 so, empty passwords are ok then? :x 03:12 VanessaE does the game allow for a way for the server to pass a message to the client to tell the user "Your client is outdated. Please upgrade as soon as possible. [Proceed]" (after which it continues in cleartext mode) 03:12 VanessaE ? 03:13 VanessaE no, no empty passwords period, even over cleartext. 03:14 VanessaE just force the user to create a password - the functionality is already there anyway 03:14 cy1 Sure, the server can basically force clients to do anything. 03:14 cy1 arbitrarily executed code 03:14 VanessaE okay 03:14 cy1 that's why the private key stuff has to be a separate process entirely 03:14 cy1 otherwise servers are just like sendme.urpassword 03:14 VanessaE right, don't want the risk of some kind of weird exploit 03:16 VanessaE either way, compared to the rest of the game engine, this stuff seems rather trivial to implement 03:16 VanessaE (in the sense that it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to think of it) 03:18 VanessaE zzz 03:35 VanessaE bbl, bedtime 04:43 cy1 ugggh whyyy can't irrlicht use gtk.... 04:45 FreeFull What would it use gtk for? 05:29 cy1 FreeFull: for input elements, like the chat thingy, and also for portable stuff, portable threading... 05:29 cy1 and the clipboard :x 05:32 cy1 grumble, except windows pthreads *is* portable threading grumble 06:33 cy1 except windows, x11 *is* portable. gtk isn't even required. 06:33 cy1 or Qt or w/ev 07:46 Calinou today is my minetest birthday :D 08:27 cy1 huh 08:27 cy1 so my challenge/response protocol has been implemented 08:27 cy1 at least the server compiles haven't tried the client 08:28 cy1 yes I realize the irony. 08:28 cy1 too tired to continue. maybe later... 08:39 brobostigon good morning everyone. 16:17 bas080 Was wondering is in the lua you can edit an attribute of a node. For example edit the tile_images attribute of a node 16:17 marktraceur bas080: No, the node definitions aren't stored per-node 16:17 marktraceur Your best bet is to register different nodes for whatever you need to do 16:18 bas080 Understood... So i have to register new nodes 16:18 bas080 thanks marktraceur 16:19 marktraceur Yup 16:21 bas080 Is it possible to clone the attibutes of a known node, give it a different name, and then change some of it's attributes? 16:22 jordach copy and paste 16:23 bas080 What does the get_meta function do? Does that get all the nodes attributes? 16:25 darkrose no it gets the metadata 16:26 bas080 I am trying to make grassy variants of the wood/stone/tree etc so grass will grow allongside of the block. I don't want to manually define all these nodes but let a for look make them for me. So all attributes like the sound etc is used from the other block only the image_tiles attibute is replaced. 16:30 bas080 But for now copy past wil do. :P 16:45 jordach huh 16:45 jordach wheres vannessaE? 16:50 marktraceur jordach: Somewhere in North America, IIRC 16:50 jordach just wondering 17:16 NakedFury hey vanessae 17:17 NakedFury good [evening, morning, night] 17:18 marktraceur NakedFury: *shakes head* good afternoon! 17:18 NakedFury forgot that one 17:18 marktraceur (OK, fine, it's 10:18 here) 17:19 jordach marktraceur, do you live in CA? 17:19 jordach (california) 17:20 marktraceur jordach: Yessir, in San Francisco, why? 17:20 jordach now hit the beach - should be sunny outside 17:20 marktraceur jordach: Brr, it's a bit chilly for that 17:21 jordach lol 17:21 jordach sunny where i am 17:21 marktraceur jordach: It's a little sunny, just not super-warm 17:21 jordach is here 17:21 jordach 21'C 17:22 marktraceur 14.1'C for me 17:23 marktraceur Huh, you aren't that much warmer, actually 17:23 marktraceur Forecast says 21, but I'm skeptical 17:23 marktraceur (wunderground, y u no have Kelvin? :P) 17:24 jordach then 0 kelvin 17:24 jordach BBRRRRRRRRR 17:24 darkrose 8.6°C mmm 17:24 marktraceur jordach: Even if our fingers didn't fall off, the network cables would no longer function properly 17:24 jordach well 17:24 jordach the pc would have no heating issues 17:24 marktraceur darkrose: What happened to that "summer" thing? 17:25 marktraceur jordach: True, but it wouldn't be terribly responsive either 17:25 jordach actually, electronics go quicker in the cold for some reason 17:25 marktraceur Just like my currently-turned-off PC has no heating issues 17:25 marktraceur jordach: Perhaps to a point, but 0K is where all energy stops 17:26 jordach yes 17:27 marktraceur I guess the really good news is, it would be a lot more energy-efficient 17:28 jordach yup 17:28 VanessaE hi all 17:28 jordach hi VanessaE 17:29 jordach im making my own minetest fork 17:29 jordach from 0.2 17:29 darkrose marktraceur: I'm in australia, summer's months away 17:29 VanessaE so I saw 17:31 marktraceur darkrose: My condolences--so are you up really late, or up really early? 17:31 marktraceur Or are my timezones off? 17:32 darkrose technically I'm up late, but this is kinda normal for me... timezones are silly 17:32 marktraceur darkrose: Indeed. 17:33 marktraceur Everyone, good *evening*. It's 17:00 in Greenwich, and damn it, everybody should have dinner at the same time as Britain. 17:34 * marktraceur is totally ready to have this conversation again in three days when we once again realize that timezones are weird 17:36 VanessaE put everyone on GMT and to hell with daylight savings :-) 17:36 darkrose ... and let's not even mention daylight "let's f' about with the clock for no real reason" time 17:36 VanessaE beat ya to it, darkrose :) 17:36 * darkrose glares at VanessaE for the pre-emption 17:36 darkrose :p 17:36 VanessaE hehe 17:37 marktraceur git merge darkrose VanessaE -m "Merge two gripes about daylight savings" 17:37 marktraceur Damn, conflicts. 17:40 Calinou git commit marktraceur 17:40 Calinou commit message: "Fix memory leak" 17:42 marktraceur Calinou: git-commit doesn't accept operands, does it? 17:42 marktraceur (arguments, whatever) 17:42 Calinou it does 17:42 Calinou git commit -a < commit all changes 17:42 Calinou I often do this 17:42 Calinou "bad pratices" FTW 17:43 marktraceur Oh, git commit will only commit the files mentioned 17:43 marktraceur As opposed to git add ; git commit 17:43 marktraceur Calinou: Also, git commit marktraceur -m "Fix memory leaks" 17:43 Calinou when I use git commit, a nano prompt comes up, then I type message, save and quit 17:43 * marktraceur marches off victorious 17:44 * Calinou hits marktraceur's legs 17:44 Calinou you can't "march" anymore :D 17:44 marktraceur Fair enough 17:44 * marktraceur Aprils off victorious 17:44 Calinou lol 17:49 noob_ is xyz on? 17:49 noob_ is celeron on? 17:49 marktraceur noob_: I don't know, maybe you should use /whois to find out 17:49 marktraceur We aren't your doormen 17:49 Calinou none of them are on 17:50 Calinou hi noob_, you're such a noob_ :P 17:50 noob_ ..... 17:50 Calinou :] 17:50 noob_ well i need to ask for ban and fly privs cuz vanessa and emspri arent on whenever there are griefers.... 17:50 noob_ on minetest.ru port 30001 17:50 marktraceur VanessaE: Can you solve this problem? 17:51 Calinou noob_, encase the griefers in holes :P 17:51 marktraceur noob_: "There's a problem on minetest.ru's server" would have given us much more to go on, just for future reference, ask the base question rather than your current idea for a solution 17:51 noob_ well ive already trapped them 17:52 noob_ i do that i trap them 17:52 noob_ but then they get on on other accounts 17:52 noob_ ban the ip then they wont get on... 17:54 marktraceur noob_: True. VanessaE has been pinged, wait a bit and she'll likely come on to help. 17:54 noob_ they arent on now 17:54 noob_ but when they come on it makes me mad cuz its hard to stop them :/ 17:54 noob_ i use a brand new mese pick and dig em like 100 under 17:59 marktraceur jordach: Point of some interest to you, art in #minetest-delta is looking for stuff to do as a C++ dev 17:59 jordach why 18:00 marktraceur jordach: I dunno, if you wanted to aggressively recruit for your fork, that might be helpful information 18:47 LandMine what other games do you guys play? 18:50 marktraceur LandMine: FreeDroidRPG is kinda fun; ToME is also a nice RPG (though more turn based)....I've also tried ZeroBallistics with some success 18:51 Calinou sauerbraten, red eclipse, xonotic, warsow, openarena, paintball2, minecraft 18:51 Calinou freedroidRPG? tome? zeroballistics? 18:51 Calinou ^ opensource explained 18:52 * Calinou only plays multiplayer games 18:52 brobostigon i quite like a sudoku. 18:52 marktraceur Calinou: I'm sure you're a very popular man 18:52 Calinou lol 18:52 Calinou sudoku, lol 18:52 brobostigon yeah. 18:53 brobostigon :( 18:53 jordach who plays chess 18:53 marktraceur LandMine: A simple Tetris game and a Minesweeper implementation also don't go amiss 18:53 brobostigon jordach: me, 18:53 marktraceur jordach: Once in a while :) 18:53 Calinou minesweeper/tetris, derp 18:53 Calinou we're in 2012 18:53 marktraceur Calinou: LOL U PLAY PAINTBALL2 THAT GAME IS T3H SUXXORS 18:53 jordach Calinou, we like the older games that dont wan't every processor requirement ever made 18:53 brobostigon i also like a game of mahjongg, every so often. 18:54 marktraceur Calinou: Fanboyism != here, please 18:54 NakedFury brobostigon, what mahjong, the pairing version or the real mahjong thingy? 18:54 brobostigon NakedFury: i have learnt both. 18:55 LandMine i just like FPS 18:55 LandMine like warinc, soldierfront 18:55 LandMine A.V.A etc etc 18:56 NakedFury well I prefer strategy games, specially real time and space based. I also like shooters but prefer them to be team based, not super quick like quake clones or arcade like call of duty 18:56 marktraceur NakedFury: have you ever played a Half-Life mod called Hostile Intent? 18:56 NakedFury no 18:57 NakedFury not many hl mods 18:57 NakedFury I sort of dont like any horror stuff at all 18:57 * jordach SOUNDS THE marktraceur USED A NON FOSS PROGRAM SIRENS 18:58 marktraceur jordach: It was five years ago, I was young and stupid 18:58 jordach lol 18:58 marktraceur NakedFury: H/I wasn't horror, it was just intensely tactical and team based 18:58 marktraceur Not to mention a great stab at realistic shooter gameplay 18:58 NakedFury well I have hl2 18:58 NakedFury started, unfinished 18:59 marktraceur NakedFury: sorry to hear that :P 18:59 NakedFury I have counter strike but really hate not aiming 18:59 NakedFury feels like the whole game is based on hip shooting 19:00 Calinou Calinou: LOL U PLAY PAINTBALL2 THAT GAME IS T3H SUXXORS 19:00 Calinou lol 19:00 jordach VanessaE, http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php?s=basic64 now hit the play button to hear push it by slat and pepa in c64 19:00 Calinou why? 19:01 NakedFury ohh I also like simulation games 19:01 jordach NakedFury, age of empires? 19:01 Calinou CS/HL suck 19:01 NakedFury yes 19:01 jordach Calinou, quit the hating 19:02 marktraceur NakedFury: If you hate hip-shooting, you'd love H/I 19:02 NakedFury RTS games, FPS/TPS(first or third person) TBS(turn based) SIm 19:02 marktraceur You cannot, as in, it is physically impossible, to shoot without raising ironsights 19:03 marktraceur Add to that no HUD, no reticule, very little information on the screen, you have a really realistic game 19:03 NakedFury no bullet info either? 19:03 jordach or do a me and make my own game like that 19:03 marktraceur NakedFury: Not a one. You can't even see scores, because it would make it painfully obvious that you'd killed someone 19:05 Calinou H/I? 19:05 Calinou inb4 no sounds and no main menu 19:05 marktraceur Calinou: Hostile Intent 19:05 Calinou free? opensource? 19:05 marktraceur Calinou: Sound is an integral part of it, if you can hear someone walking near you you can catch them off guard 19:06 marktraceur Calinou: Not that I know of....well, based on Half-Life, so at least part of your stack would be non-free 19:07 Calinou :| 19:07 Calinou this also means paid 19:07 marktraceur Calinou: Half-Life would have to be, yeah 19:07 Calinou half life 1? 19:07 marktraceur For all of these reasons, I would avoid it 19:07 marktraceur Yep 19:08 marktraceur I'm sure there's a similar mod for a free FPS, just haven't looked for it yet 19:08 Calinou keep the game paid, even when it was released 50 years ago 19:08 Calinou HL engine isn't free 19:08 NakedFury source engine 19:08 NakedFury old 19:08 marktraceur AAA? 19:09 Calinou = "super-prod" game 19:09 Calinou the average game you find at stores 19:09 marktraceur Ah 19:10 Calinou opensourcing & making free old games would not hurt anyone 19:10 marktraceur Similar to "A-list"? Something like that? 19:11 NakedFury aaa = you probably need millions for it 19:11 darkrose Average And Ancient 19:14 marktraceur Calinou: Probably better not to hold your breath; or at the very least, try joining up with one of the existing free options (which I see you've done, from your list above) 19:14 Calinou I mostly play FOSS games, yes 19:14 Calinou darkrose, heh 19:15 Calinou A.V.A etc etc 19:15 Calinou I hate AVA with a burning passion 19:15 Calinou :< 19:15 Calinou the little pony 19:15 Calinou wb, TheLastProject 19:18 marktraceur Working from home, pizza rolls for lunch 19:18 marktraceur This must be what success feels like 19:23 Calinou aybe 19:23 Calinou maybe* 19:24 * Calinou would instead win lottery 19:25 marktraceur Calinou: Give a man a million fish, he'll smell awful the rest of his life. Give a man pizza rolls, he'll be well-fed and less smelly. Totinos' Pizza Rolls: They smell better than fish. 19:25 * marktraceur considers career change to spokesman 19:26 jordach and not like a woman 19:26 Calinou lol 19:26 * Calinou imagines and laughs 19:26 jordach Calinou, dont 19:26 jordach EVEN 19:26 jordach GO 19:26 jordach NEAR 19:26 jordach ONE 19:26 jordach I 19:26 jordach GAG 19:26 Calinou ending a convestation with "and as always, go freely", even if you were talking about a jailed friend 19:26 * jordach now shudders 19:27 marktraceur Calinou: Sounds like the kind of thing they'd want wished upon them 19:28 * marktraceur didn't think he said that all too often 19:59 sfan5 first minetest classic windows build: http://ompldr.org/vZW9mNw/minetest-0.2.20110922_3-6718fd3d73d4-win32.7z 20:06 aspiremint hi redcrab, are you here? 20:15 Calinou lol 20:15 Calinou .7z? 20:21 VanessaE 6N5dB30@P* 20:21 VanessaE oops...so much for my amazon password. :) 20:23 jordach VanessaE, no worry: we dont know yer email 20:24 VanessaE heh 20:24 jordach THATS FOR YOU TO KNOW AND US TO FIND OUT 21:03 Calinou 1234 21:03 Calinou better 21:09 NakedFury http://www.waroftherosesthegame.com/?ref=e191b68dcbf for beta application for a game similar to Mount and Blade 23:10 Riddle riddle has minetest question 23:12 Riddle if i make my own world gen file, will it run After the other and add my stuff? or is there a better way? 23:20 NakedFury I think it runs yours 23:20 marktraceur Riddle: It will run after most other things. Why do you ask? 23:22 Riddle can't find my new ores >.> 23:23 Riddle mod name is right, blockname = right, spawns where it finds stone, i don't get it 23:25 NakedFury it replaces stone? 23:26 Riddle yeah 23:26 Riddle should 23:26 Riddle not much 23:26 Riddle same way the default works ? 23:26 NakedFury if it completely replaces stone you could change name 23:27 Riddle well it generates ore, in stone 23:27 marktraceur Riddle: Posting the code would be easiest for us 23:27 Riddle generate_ore("mitchsmod:stone_with_obsidian", "default:stone", minp, maxp, seed+6, 1/24/24/24, 6,27, -31000, -64) 23:28 marktraceur Riddle: Pastebin would be best :) 23:28 marktraceur (and "mitchsmod" isn't a terribly descriptive name) 23:29 marktraceur Riddle: And you're looking below -64, correct? 23:30 Riddle yes 23:30 Riddle i am :P 23:30 Riddle mitch = my common user 23:30 marktraceur Mmmkay 23:30 Riddle mymod rlly, gonna rename l8r 23:30 marktraceur Riddle: Pastebin of all code, please 23:31 Riddle on it 23:32 Riddle http://pastebin.com/WQht9T4h 23:33 marktraceur Fix all the bugs!!!! 23:33 marktraceur Ew, whitespace 23:33 Riddle wut bugs >.> its copy pasta from default 23:34 marktraceur Riddle: You have 6 lines of whitespace. That's just silly. 23:34 Riddle indeed, i use that space for comments as i cut and paste 23:35 marktraceur Riddle: Where are these nodes defined? Do you know that the definitions work? 23:35 Riddle the nodes for the blocks are all in my init file 23:35 marktraceur Mmkay 23:35 Riddle they work when i make crafting recipes for them :P 23:36 marktraceur Oh 23:36 marktraceur Riddle: Your on_generated function doesn't have an 'end' 23:36 marktraceur Let me know if that fixes it, it probably will 23:37 Riddle :D 23:37 Riddle lets see 23:41 Riddle can't find any... whats the noclip? there is one isn't there? 23:48 marktraceur Riddle: What? 23:49 marktraceur Did that fix work? 23:49 marktraceur What about noclip? 23:49 Riddle 9 is there a noclip and fly built in game? 23:49 Riddle i can't find any of the ore 23:49 Riddle so i was hoping to no clip down and look around alot 23:49 marktraceur Yeah, 'j' and 'k' should enable free_move and fast_move 23:49 marktraceur (default keybindings) 23:50 Riddle thanks 23:50 Riddle any fly? 23:50 Riddle it says no priviledge 23:50 marktraceur free_move enables it, use 'e' and '' to go down and up respectively 23:51 marktraceur Riddle: Then change the default privileges in your settings.json 23:51 marktraceur Or summat 23:52 Riddle >.< i'm idiot. can't get it workin, guess i'll test via digging 23:52 marktraceur (things I learned today: "summat" is used as slang for "somewhat", I've been using the UK-only meaning of "something" from literature or some other influence) 23:52 Riddle :D 23:53 marktraceur Ah, it's not settings.json 23:53 marktraceur Sorry 23:53 marktraceur minetest.conf 23:53 marktraceur (I'm switching between two projects today) 23:53 Riddle fly_mode = 1 will do it? i added that, no bones 23:53 marktraceur free_move, maybe 23:54 marktraceur Or just give yourself the proper privileges 23:54 marktraceur It should have a list of available ones 23:54 Riddle idk how in singleplayer 23:54 marktraceur Riddle: In minetest.conf, there should be a setting for it 23:55 marktraceur At the very least, 'default_privileges' or some such 23:55 marktraceur Taoki[laptop]|aw: Awwwww. 23:55 Taoki[laptop]|aw :3 23:56 marktraceur Bye, Riddle! 23:58 * marktraceur moves to the desktop, work day is over!