Time Nick Message 00:01 MiJyn is there any way in GIMP to make an animation easily? 00:01 MiJyn like an MT animation, of course 00:02 MiJyn even just to unroll layers into one long one 00:05 NakedFury no idea 00:06 NakedFury dont even know how animations are done in mt 00:07 BloodyFire MiJyn: You could ask VanessaE, if she is around next time. 00:08 VanessaE ask me what? :-) 00:08 BloodyFire I guess there should be some option using layers like in gif-format and then unroll them maybe. 00:08 MiJyn how do you make an animated image? 00:08 MiJyn like easily 00:08 VanessaE you stack the frames vertically 00:08 MiJyn how? 00:08 VanessaE just like crack.png 00:08 MiJyn yes, how do I do that? 00:08 MiJyn or do I have to manually do that? 00:09 VanessaE first make one frame. 00:09 thexyz …draw the rest of fucking owl 00:09 VanessaE now expand your canvas height to frame width * number of frames 00:09 MiJyn thexyz, LOL 00:09 MiJyn yes 00:09 VanessaE so a 16x16 image with 4 frames would be 16x48 pixels 00:09 MiJyn and frames are layers? 00:09 VanessaE no 00:09 VanessaE not layers, just vertically stacked 00:09 MiJyn oh ok 00:09 VanessaE look at crack.png 00:09 MiJyn I know how it works 00:10 MiJyn I just want to know if it's possible to stack layers vertically 00:10 MiJyn easily 00:10 MiJyn like automatically 00:10 VanessaE make an image, then make a copy. edit the copy. Put it in the next slow down in the tall image 00:10 VanessaE make a copy of that frame, edit again, repeat 00:10 MiJyn oh 00:10 VanessaE in gimp you can use the filmstrip filter to do it 00:10 MiJyn whoa, this might work! http://docs.gimp.org/en/plug-in-align-layers.html 00:10 VanessaE but you have to rotate your image to the left first, then rotate the result back to the right when ity's done 00:11 MiJyn filmstrip? 00:11 MiJyn I'll try that! 00:11 VanessaE *nod* 00:11 VanessaE under the "Combine" section 00:12 VanessaE it takes a multi-layer image and spreads the layers out horizontally 00:12 VanessaE if used properly along with the rotate-image command, it can take a multi-layer image and turn it into an animation for minetest's use 00:12 VanessaE just make sure the image is less than 16384 pixels tall 00:14 MiJyn lol 00:14 MiJyn that'll be hard! 00:14 VanessaE you'd be surprised 00:15 VanessaE default_lava_flowing_animated.png - 512x8192 pixels 00:15 VanessaE and that's only 16 frames long. 00:16 thexyz VanessaE: and then you tell me that i use tall images 00:16 VanessaE thexyz: well I kinda couldn't help it ;-) 00:16 VanessaE minetest can't use multilayer images for animations (even though it would make far more sense *shrug*) 00:17 MiJyn VanessaE, come on! It shows a "cool" little film thingy 00:17 MiJyn I don't want that 00:17 VanessaE (then again i can't think of a multi-layer format other than gif or xcf) 00:17 VanessaE mijyn: change the settings 00:18 VanessaE in the Advanced tab 00:18 VanessaE set Image height to 1 00:18 VanessaE set everything else to 0 00:18 VanessaE in the selection tab, [X] Fit height to images 00:19 VanessaE Start index: uncheck 'At top' and 'At bottom' 00:19 MiJyn VanessaE, thanks! 00:19 VanessaE noprob 00:19 VanessaE remember, rotate your image to the left before you filmstrip it, then rotate the filmstrip image to the right 00:20 MiJyn oh right 00:20 MiJyn lol 00:20 MiJyn can I do that to all layers? 00:20 VanessaE for whatever stupid reason, gimp doesn't let you specify "tile vertically" 00:20 VanessaE all layers? sure, just Image -> Transform -> Rotate Left 00:21 VanessaE 'scuse me, "Rotate counter clockwise" 00:21 MiJyn right 00:24 VanessaE MiJyn: also bear in mind that animations loop, so the bottom image in the strip should flow smoothly back to the top image 00:25 VanessaE plus for reasons that escape me, the filmstrip filter always flattens the image, so set your background color to something really obnoxious like bright purple, so you can select-by-color->delete if you need transparency 00:28 MiJyn VanessaE, ok 00:29 MiJyn you can add transparency? 00:29 MiJyn to an image? 00:29 MiJyn and minetest will detect it? 00:29 VanessaE yes 00:29 VanessaE Layer -> Transparency -> Add Alpha Channel 00:29 VanessaE or create a new image with transparency for the background 00:30 VanessaE then use the eraser as needed 00:30 VanessaE but minetest will threshold the alpha layer, so when displayed it'll either be 100% transparent or 100% opaque 00:30 MiJyn nice! 00:31 cy1 dude 00:31 MiJyn ok, well, I've got a VERY basic animation setup 00:31 cy1 how do you generate a map of explored world 00:32 cy1 redcrab did it but how 00:32 VanessaE minetestmapper.py 00:33 VanessaE (it comes with the source code) 00:33 cy1 thanks! 00:34 cy1 ohhh 00:34 VanessaE noprob :-) 00:35 cy1 it doesn't even worry about which xyz to start at, it just decodes the id with a global fetch 00:40 MiJyn cool! 00:40 MiJyn Ányone wanna see my animated thingy? 00:41 cy1 what kinna thingy? linx to texture? 00:42 MiJyn animated textures :D 00:42 cy1 yes like lava 00:42 MiJyn https://github.com/MiJyn/minetest-nether/tree/ 00:42 cy1 ooh workin on nether 00:42 cy1 how does uh 00:43 MiJyn how does what? 00:43 VanessaE oh. nether. zzzz 00:43 cy1 how does minetest know whether to gen nether materials or not 00:43 VanessaE still not using my textures I see :) 00:43 cy1 don't see any recently modified textures in there 00:44 MiJyn cy1, well, it generates once it loads 00:44 MiJyn so it won't generate anything if it doesn't have to 00:45 MiJyn cy1, it's the new commit that has them 00:46 cy1 ah it's a register_on_generated thing 00:46 MiJyn yes 00:48 cy1 how does that not make the default one run down that deep though... 00:48 MiJyn huh? 00:49 MiJyn sometimes you can see some stone or dirt down there 00:49 MiJyn but rarely 00:49 MiJyn because it goes through different passes 00:50 MiJyn so it generates air where nothing is 00:50 cy1 oh, so it just lets the default one generate the stone etc, and then overwrites it with nether 00:50 MiJyn yes 00:51 cy1 neat 00:51 MiJyn thanks :D 00:52 MiJyn could you try the nether pearls? 01:21 * VanessaE waits for word that the Nether team has switched to using her textures.... 01:22 MiJyn dunno if we are gonna use the ultrarealistic ones 01:22 VanessaE nono the 16px ones silly 01:22 MiJyn uh 01:22 MiJyn the ultrarealistic ones scaled to 16px? 01:22 VanessaE heh, well kinda ;-) 01:22 VanessaE you DID say you liked 'em :-) 01:23 MiJyn well, it doesn't fit the theme 01:23 MiJyn they are nice 01:23 VanessaE :P 01:23 VanessaE nothing I do "fits the theme" 01:23 VanessaE I don't care ;-) 01:24 MiJyn lol 01:24 VanessaE I can't stand blurry, pixelated-all-to-hell way-lower-than-a-modern-computer-can-handle textures :-) 01:24 MiJyn because my mod is supposed to be "netherish" 01:24 MiJyn not "realistic" :P 01:25 MiJyn oh yeah, you know why MC used pixelated textures? 01:25 VanessaE because they're fast of course 01:26 VanessaE and vague 01:26 MiJyn but you know why they had to have speed? 01:26 MiJyn not because Java is too slow 01:26 VanessaE because people will bitch ;-) 01:26 MiJyn Java could have had HD textures with the same speed 01:26 MiJyn no, nothing of the sort 01:26 VanessaE what then? 01:26 MiJyn The reason is that it WAS too slow with better textures. Why? They are terrible programmers! 01:26 VanessaE heh 01:27 VanessaE I get an average of 40fps with my 512px textures :) 01:27 VanessaE (though it often drops quite low when I look out over a wide area, and it rises to 60 when I'm looking at only a small area 01:28 MiJyn wow 01:31 MiJyn wanna try the nether? 01:31 VanessaE ? 01:31 VanessaE wow what? 01:32 MiJyn like the 40 FPS 01:32 VanessaE oh 01:32 VanessaE used to be ~20fps until I switched to the AMD64 version of Ubuntu. that alone double my frame rates 01:32 MiJyn ah 01:54 MiJyn hi Riddle 01:54 Riddle yo 01:54 Riddle hows all? 01:55 MiJyn fine 01:55 Riddle i got a few mins online so i came to monitor :P 01:55 MiJyn you? 01:55 Riddle great 01:55 Riddle been trying to get code to work, going meh :P 01:55 Riddle works, but i wish it were less ugly. 01:55 MiJyn yeah 01:56 Riddle mostly trying to make realistic animated liquids, 01:56 MiJyn oh yeah 01:56 MiJyn that's hard 01:56 Riddle i am thinking of making like 80+ frames and having the time be like .1 01:56 MiJyn I hate animation :( 01:56 MiJyn good luck! 01:56 Riddle i'm Okay with it, but idk 01:56 Riddle might also try to made a block that one side is animated (tv? ) 01:57 MiJyn good luck! 01:57 Riddle thanks 01:57 Riddle currently using all my LOW bandwidth :( 01:57 Riddle only have 2.5 Mega bits per sec 01:57 Riddle stupid wirless 01:57 MiJyn same 01:58 Riddle if i had a wire to reach accross my house the wall comes in at 100mb/s 01:58 Riddle so 12.5 Mega bytes per sec 01:58 Riddle if only... 01:59 MiJyn wow 02:00 Riddle so you do any modz ? 02:00 Riddle peace 02:00 Riddle gtg 02:01 MiJyn yes 02:01 MiJyn the nether :D 02:01 MiJyn ok see ya 02:31 NakedFury is it possible to have extensive world generation mods? with the current api. 02:32 MiJyn yes 02:39 bas080 Hey vanessaE, would like too share this with you >>> https://github.com/bas080/cotton/zipball/master 02:39 VanessaE what is it? 02:39 bas080 I used your unifieddies mod to make colorable cotton 02:41 VanessaE col! 02:41 VanessaE cool too 02:41 VanessaE using the cotton 'flower' as a material source? 02:42 bas080 The sad thing is that cotton is very scarce in the flowers mod so i made adjustments to what i think is an outdated farming mod. How do the stacks work in that mod?? 02:42 VanessaE dunno 02:42 bas080 There is a cotton flower right? 02:42 VanessaE in my mods, everything is normal stacks 02:49 bas080 Yes it uses the cotton flower as material source... sorry did not understand you 02:50 VanessaE nice 02:50 VanessaE yeah when harvested, the cotton flower produces a wad of uncolored cotton 02:54 bas080 but it's not a nodeblock but a craftitem. I see in your mod that you can make 3 flowers:cotton with one flowers:flower_cotton. My mod requires 4 flowers:cotton atm to make 1 cotton nodeblock. To me that sound good 02:57 VanessaE well flowers isn't mine, but ok :-) 02:57 VanessaE yeah, that sounds right 02:57 bas080 Why do you have cotton.lua in your mod? 02:57 VanessaE I suppose I have to add new textures to my packs ;-) 02:58 VanessaE that's part of ironzorg's flowers mod... did I forget to delete it? 02:58 bas080 Would be cool... 02:58 bas080 I think so.. 02:58 VanessaE there should already be a copy inside the flowers/ folder 02:58 bas080 I just got the latest version of your server. it's still there 02:59 bas080 It's exactly the same file indeed 02:59 VanessaE hrm, I'll ha ve to fix that :-) 02:59 VanessaE ok, just delete it then, and flowers.lua too - those are redundant. 03:02 bas080 OOOwww.. i found a red flower... 03:04 VanessaE fixed. 03:04 VanessaE red flower = rose 03:11 VanessaE how many colors does your cotton mod support? 03:11 VanessaE I should extend unifieddyes to have more than just the primary colors 03:12 bas080 You have orange. Cotton mod supports all colors in the dies mod 03:12 VanessaE ok 03:12 bas080 new colors are easily added. Just add color to array and make textures 03:13 VanessaE lesse 03:13 VanessaE there are..8 colors 03:13 VanessaE ROYGBV, Black and White 03:13 VanessaE mixing any two of those would give another 8 possibilities 03:14 VanessaE how about I allow mixing three dyes? 03:14 bas080 I will ofcourse update the mod so it fit's well with the dies. I don't know what to do with white... Cotton is already white 03:15 bas080 Awesome.... Lots!!! of colors are better! 03:15 VanessaE that's...um...how many? 03:15 VanessaE (the math escapes me) 03:15 VanessaE should be (N^3)/3+N 03:16 VanessaE where N = number of available colors 03:16 bas080 are you mindtesting me... :P i thought just 8^3 03:16 bas080 why the division? 03:17 VanessaE that's 121 colors 03:17 VanessaE it's a formula I came up with a while back 03:17 VanessaE (a^b)/b+a where a is the number of colors in your palette, and b is how many colors you can mix 03:18 VanessaE if you have 16 colors, you have 256 possible mixtures 03:18 VanessaE if you mix two 03:18 VanessaE but half of those are duplicates 03:18 Bad_Command n(n-1)/2 03:19 bas080 ofcourse! duplicates 03:19 VanessaE so with a 16 color palette and two colors per mix, you have 136 unique colors. 03:19 VanessaE or in this case, a 7 color base palette (not counting violet), and three colors per mix 03:19 VanessaE which comes out to 121 colors. 03:20 Bad_Command n=num colors, n(n-1)/2 03:20 VanessaE BC: three colors in this proposed mix :-) 03:20 Bad_Command Oh. 03:20 Bad_Command Ok. 03:20 VanessaE er, three into the pot. :-) 03:20 VanessaE out of 7 in the palette 03:21 bas080 Is there ever gonna be a hue or blend mode where you can tweak the color hue of the textures in node or craft definition. It could make allot of work allot less repetitive 03:21 VanessaE doubt it 03:21 VanessaE c55 isn't too keen on that idea. 03:22 bas080 My thoughts on the colors are primairi, secundaire and tertiare colors. 03:22 VanessaE so 32 then 03:22 VanessaE no, that's not right 03:22 VanessaE 12 03:22 VanessaE need more than that 03:23 bas080 why would you need more? 03:23 bas080 You can make all the countries flags with them 03:23 VanessaE because jordache's wool mod already has 32 colors, so I'd like to be able to cover those at least 03:23 NakedFury ok do 12 but add a dark and light version 03:23 VanessaE even if he refuses to rebase 03:23 VanessaE NakedFury: that would be 36, seems like a good balance 03:23 VanessaE since we have black and white also 03:24 bas080 cool 03:24 NakedFury add white 03:24 VanessaE 38 colors including pure black and pure white 03:24 VanessaE need shades of grey too 03:24 bas080 cotton is white already... Or should white be extra extra white 03:24 NakedFury 40? 03:25 * VanessaE tries to map it out in herhead 03:25 bas080 Got you vanessaE 03:25 VanessaE white would be used for other stuff that isn't already, like the white window shutters in my home decor mod. 03:25 VanessaE (which is why I called it a paint instead of a dye) 03:26 bas080 But why not make white dye. Makes more sence while your mixing colors 03:26 VanessaE hrm 03:26 VanessaE because white "dye" would be bleach :-) 03:27 VanessaE I figured paint made a little more sense ;-) 03:27 bas080 Don't get me wrong. i really like it that white gets some extra attention. 03:27 bas080 It's a hard color to make in real life. 03:28 VanessaE *nod* hence the need to extract titanium dioxide from stone 03:28 VanessaE (that's the pigment most commonly used to make white paint IRL) 03:29 bas080 What where your thoughts on crafting... First mix the dies and then color the cotton? 03:29 VanessaE mmm 03:30 VanessaE well that's how you'd do it in reality 03:30 VanessaE plus if you mix dyes first, you can keep them balanced 03:30 VanessaE 1 red + 1 blue + 1 white should give you three light purple for example. 03:31 bas080 Or first mix red and blue and then mix purple with white? 03:31 VanessaE but if you mix them on the crafting grid along with the cotton, you waste dye 03:32 bas080 That is true considering how my lua looks now 03:32 VanessaE not a bad idea, but the number of recipes will go up exponentially with the number of cross-mixing options we allow for 03:35 VanessaE brb 03:37 bas080 yes. you could make some for loops that do the work for you... I wouldn't know how to get that right. 03:39 VanessaE I get 77 colors if we allow for Primaries, secondaries, and tertiaries at full saturation and lowered saturation, in three brightnesses, plus 5 shades of grey (including black and white) 03:39 VanessaE (12 * 3 * 2 + 5) 03:40 VanessaE I think that's enough. :-) 03:40 bas080 haha, I'm up for it. Let's do it in fazes 03:41 NakedFury stages 03:41 VanessaE first I have to make the textures and update the code. I'll do that tomorrow. 03:41 bas080 atleast i'm gonna do it in stages ;) 03:41 bas080 thnx naked 03:43 bas080 And i was wondering if the one that made the farming mod is still around 03:43 bas080 Does anyone know? 03:43 VanessaE you mean hydroponics? 03:44 NakedFury would prefer a more farming mod, old style farming 03:44 bas080 Yes... I would like to help him with textures and some ideas maybe 03:44 VanessaE hrm, I do recall seeing a dedicated farming mod also... 03:44 VanessaE (you had to construct a hoe and till the ground, add seeds) 03:47 bas080 That's it. It's neat, especially the lua. Learned how to do some neat stuff because of it. but some things are inconsistent and frustrating for the mainstream gamer. 03:48 bas080 Sapier mde it http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=607 03:49 bas080 Hydro mod looks lol! 03:52 VanessaE ok time for me to hit the hay 03:52 VanessaE I will be back tomorrow though 03:52 bas080 I look forward to your dies mod. Have a good one! Dutchie out! 03:53 VanessaE night :-) 05:43 khonkhortisan How do I create an individiual face when I minetest.register_node()? 05:43 khonkhortisan *individual 05:46 khonkhortisan Anyone here even if you don't know the answer to my question? 05:54 khonkhortisan I guess everyone's asleep, I'll try again tomorrow. 06:43 marktraceur khonkhortisan: You can register a table of six separate textures to be the faces of the node. I forget the order. Best of luck. 06:44 marktraceur khonkhortisan: See, for example, my "factories" mod 06:44 marktraceur Alternatively, the furnace in games/minimal/mods/experimental/init.lua 06:52 darkrose s/experimental/default/ 07:08 marktraceur darkrose: Didn't know it changed :) 07:49 Calinou hi 09:19 brobostigon good morning everyone. 09:24 Calinou hi 09:25 brobostigon hi Calinou 10:10 Calinou new texture pack get! 10:49 darkrose marktraceur: your server's timing out on connect 12:24 Calinou *gimp crashed* 12:25 thexyz send bugreport 12:27 darkrose I think he means his leather gimp is sleeping 12:49 Calinou send bugreport 12:49 Calinou "what os are you using" 12:49 Calinou "win7" 12:49 Calinou "FUCK YOU, WE ONLY SUPPORT HARSHLINUXIANS" 12:49 Calinou ^ gimp devs 12:49 thexyz Calinou: have you ever tried to send bugreport to them? 12:50 Calinou not worth it; gimp rarely crashes anyway 12:50 Calinou don't know why it crashed, too 12:50 thexyz then stfu 12:50 thexyz and send it 12:56 Calinou lol 13:11 Calinou I noticed - in minetest 0.3, movement seen from other players is much smoother 13:11 Calinou less smooth in 0.4 14:32 mehere_ Hi, is there a way to start a "restricted" server, i.e. allow access to known users only? 14:34 NakedFury give them server address only 14:34 marktraceur darkrose: I know, my port forwarding got fucked. One sec. 14:35 mehere_ No "popular" port scans for minetest? (Seen lots of port scans on my server) 14:46 Calinou mehere_, uhhh? 14:46 Calinou if you want newcomers to not be able to build: don't give "interact" when they join 14:46 Calinou not be able to talk: don't give "shout" 14:49 mehere_ ... but they can still "watch" 14:49 marktraceur mehere_: Don't take any showers on your minetest server, then 14:50 mehere_ OK, I see, doesn't seem to be an issue of general concern... 14:50 mehere_ Just wanted to run a server for a group of kids and make it as save as possible. 14:50 marktraceur mehere_: Not really, but you can whitelist 14:51 mehere_ I thought ipban was for blacklist only? 14:51 mehere_ Or do you mean using the firewall? 14:53 marktraceur mehere_: No, I mean using minetest. Hold please 14:54 marktraceur mehere_: set the "default_password" option in your minetest.conf 14:54 marktraceur That will prevent random people from trolling through 14:54 marktraceur Make it secure but not prohibitively so--remember there's no copy/paste functionality yet 15:01 marktraceur mehere_: Does that suit your needs? 15:13 Calinou mehere_, you can also set a default password 15:13 Calinou eg: you set it to "tux" 15:13 Calinou people will have to put "tux" password when they first connect 15:13 Calinou they can change it to whatever they want 15:14 Calinou you can also, for additional security disable empty passwords (if anyone wants to clear theirs) 15:26 mehere_ Using "default_password" sounds good, didn't find that in the wiki, thanks! 15:31 mehere_ Problem with "default_password" is (just tested it) doesn't work (in 32), is it a 40 feature? 15:32 VanessaE 40? 15:32 VanessaE perhaps you mean 0.4? 15:34 mehere_ Yeah, sorry I have 0.3.2 and it doesn't work 15:35 VanessaE I don't have much advice, just clarifying; it's a pet peeve of mine for someone to write things like "1.0" when they mean "0.1.0" and the like 16:15 marktraceur darkrose: Is the server still not working? 16:16 marktraceur Ah, no, looks like you connected 16:16 darkrose yeah it's working 16:16 marktraceur Ha, I love the last two things you did 16:16 marktraceur darkrose wrote "Casa De Darkrose" to sign at (34,43,-375) 16:16 darkrose was on for a while 16:16 marktraceur darkrose wrote "... or at least it will be" to sign at (34,43,-376) 16:16 * Calinou writes "lol" on a sign 16:16 Calinou come see! 16:17 * Calinou goes back to gameboom 16:17 marktraceur Calinou: Your input, as always, is roughly null 16:17 darkrose marktraceur: well it's kind of just a wall with a door and a sign at the moment :) 16:17 marktraceur darkrose: Point taken, absolutely 16:19 Calinou " Calinou: Your input, as always, is roughly null" 16:19 Calinou "LOL I MUST INSULY PEOPLE INTELLIGENTLY" 16:19 Calinou ^ just say "gtfo" or "stfu" 16:20 marktraceur Calinou: Just being in the same channel doesn't mean we're the same person. You can have your level of intelligence, I'll have mine. 16:20 marktraceur But I'm not sure it's totally an insult 16:21 marktraceur I mean, null is a very useful concept 16:21 marktraceur I use it almost constantly, to check if something exists or not 16:21 marktraceur So thank you, Calinou, for being a useful standard of measure. 16:21 Calinou :] 16:26 thexyz Calinou: have you seen new crafting grid on wiki? 16:27 marktraceur thexyz: Link! For great justice! 16:28 thexyz http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Crafting 16:29 Calinou nice 16:29 Calinou wow, the numbers show up! 16:29 Calinou (they shouldn't have a shadow too... see the default game font) 16:30 marktraceur thexyz: Awesome stuff, great work 16:30 Calinou yeah great :D 16:30 Calinou I'm going to put it on other recipes 16:30 darkrose crafting with mythical 'wooden planks' 16:31 thexyz Calinou: they look better with shadows 16:32 BloodyFire j minetest-delta 16:32 Calinou fail 16:32 Calinou protip: autojoin 16:35 marktraceur BloodyFire: Better protip: Never disconnect :P 16:36 * marktraceur has been disconnecting far more than necessary of late, due to network issues at home....sadness. 16:39 Calinou 3 more recipes updated 16:39 Calinou BloodyFire: Better protip: Never disconnect :P 16:39 Calinou yeah, waste electricity 16:39 Calinou :] 16:39 Calinou don't care about the penguins on antarctica 16:39 thexyz i think every linux user should care about penguins 16:40 thexyz but how is wasting electricity is related to them? 16:40 Calinou because global warming 16:42 marktraceur Calinou: You assume my server wouldn't be up otherwise 16:42 marktraceur (which is really just silly :P) 16:42 thexyz Calinou: do you know that your chest image is rotated in wrong way? 16:51 * marktraceur sighs 16:51 marktraceur Network, why you fail 16:52 BloodyFire Because it's trolling. 16:52 khonkhortisan I'm trying to create a wedge block 16:52 khonkhortisan *net *split 16:54 VanessaE jeija already did that :-) 16:54 VanessaE see his "slope" mod 16:55 khonkhortisan cool 16:58 khonkhortisan it doesn't actually create a diagonal face, it uses many boxes 17:00 thexyz khonkhortisan: that's the only way now to do such thing 17:00 VanessaE yes 17:00 VanessaE can't do it any other way 17:01 khonkhortisan plants have diagonal faces but they're preset shapes 17:08 VanessaE rails can go diagonal too 17:08 VanessaE of course 17:08 khonkhortisan Can anything go on rails yet? 17:08 VanessaE minecarts can, but they're buggy 17:09 khonkhortisan Can the mesecons mod movestone turn corners? 17:15 VanessaE don't think so 17:15 VanessaE but pushable blocks (minecarts) can 17:16 khonkhortisan I thought I was doing it wrong, it was moving my mesecons and going off into infinity 17:16 marktraceur VanessaE: Who made minecarts? How do they work roughly? 17:16 VanessaE I forget who made them 17:16 MiJyn yo 17:16 VanessaE but you lay some rails, build (or /giveme) and place a minecart block, then punch it to push it 17:16 marktraceur MiJyn: Tu? 17:17 MiJyn marktraceur, uh, wha? 17:17 VanessaE it'll move along the rails, turning corners, etc, for about 20 nodes I think, slowing down gradually 17:17 marktraceur MiJyn: Thought you were saying "me" in Spanish 17:17 khonkhortisan yoTu 17:17 VanessaE they'll go down hills too 17:17 VanessaE but not up (in fact, they get stuck and have to be destroyed) 17:17 marktraceur VanessaE: Cool! Are they nodes? Entities? Can you ride them? Do they carry stuff? 17:17 MiJyn marktraceur, oh, no, I was just saying hi 17:17 VanessaE you can ride in them but the display is very choppy during that time 17:17 VanessaE I think they're entities, but I am not sure 17:17 * marktraceur is curious 17:17 marktraceur All right, thanks a bucnh 17:18 VanessaE they do not, as far as I know, carry anything but the player 17:18 marktraceur s/cnh/nch/ 17:18 khonkhortisan if railcarts are choppy imagine a mesecon plane 17:19 MiJyn lol 17:22 marktraceur khonkhortisan: In theory, vehicles will be made easier in the future 17:26 * darkrose made a raft mod, was awesomely choppy 17:28 marktraceur darkrose: Arrr, if ye don't have a bit o' chop on the sea, yer not a real man! 17:29 darkrose heh 17:29 * darkrose isn't male :p 17:29 marktraceur darkrose: Arrr, that explains it 17:30 marktraceur darkrose: Not really, but in character it would 17:30 * marktraceur shuts up a bit 17:32 darkrose hehe 17:40 khonkhortisan If I dig, it plays the digging sound, then it plays the pickup sound, then if I drop it again quick enough, it doesn't play the drop sound. 18:51 emspri vanessa are you online 18:51 emspri there are griefers online 18:51 jordach shes no hee 18:52 emspri that sucks and xyz iznt here too 18:52 jordach dun dun DUUUN! 18:55 * marktraceur sighs 18:56 emspri does someone have ban privs on XYZ's server ?? 18:56 marktraceur Have we still not made #minetest-ru or something for that server 18:56 marktraceur emspri: Be patient. 18:56 emspri there are 2 griefers on that server 18:56 marktraceur You've asked your question, be patient. 18:56 emspri they are griefing me ! 18:56 marktraceur emspri: That sucks. It won't make things get fixed any faster. 19:03 emspri do somebody know if xyz comes online ?? 19:03 marktraceur emspri: Shut. Up. You asked your question, now wait. 19:16 khonkhortisan what are greifers? 19:16 aspiremint thiefs 19:16 khonkhortisan I wouldn't have guessed 19:17 NakedFury not thiefs 19:17 khonkhortisan then maybe I would've guessed 19:17 marktraceur khonkhortisan: They're people who cause grief, i.e., for things that you lose 19:17 marktraceur They destroy, troll, and generally cause havoc 19:17 NakedFury that 19:17 Calinou They destroy, troll, and generally cause havoc 19:17 NakedFury all with the goal of messing with you 19:17 Calinou and also hack :P 19:17 Calinou cheaters are pretty rare in minetest 19:18 Calinou but in minecraft, they're standard 19:18 marktraceur Calinou: No, that would be a redeeming characteristic, they probably don't hack 19:18 Calinou (even though it is actually easier to cheat in MT) 19:18 NakedFury dont jinx us man 19:18 NakedFury let them stay away 19:18 khonkhortisan it's really easy to cheat in bzflag (god mode with correct client string) 19:18 jordach hey look, NETSPLIT 19:19 Calinou khonkhortisan, godmode is easy peasy in MT 19:19 khonkhortisan where?! 19:19 Calinou as is a fly/noclip hack without privilege 19:19 Calinou or nuker 19:19 khonkhortisan most people trust the client when they write the client/server model 19:20 Calinou not quake-likes :3 19:29 emspri thexyz there where 2 griefers on the server ! 19:29 emspri just_4_fun and badman87 i think 19:29 Calinou this is minetest 19:30 emspri but on XYZ's server there where griefers 19:30 Calinou lolxyzserver 19:31 emspri i mean minetest.ru 19:31 Calinou Kray, is tsundere.fi down? 19:31 Calinou kray.dy.fi down too 19:31 emspri is xyz online ?? 19:31 Calinou (port 30000) 19:31 Calinou emspri, be patient 19:31 Calinou protip: spleef the griefers, dig under their feet :3 19:31 Kray they have been down for 3 weeks or so 19:31 Calinou k 19:31 Calinou Kray, will you ever restart them (for 0.4?) 19:32 Kray and I don't currently have access to map data so can't bring old ones back now 19:32 jordach OWCH 19:32 Calinou it's fine, old maps were griefed :P 19:32 Kray I will once 0.4 gets "stable" 19:32 jordach buts its for the best 19:32 Calinou k 19:32 emspri what would you dou if they where griefing you right before your eyes ? cant have patient 19:39 marktraceur emspri: You've asked. You've even highlighted thexyz. You can do no more. Just wait. 19:39 marktraceur If it's killing you inside, log off. 19:41 BloodyFire I don't want to know how my castle looks now. I wasn't on the server for weeks. 19:44 marktraceur BloodyFire: To hear emspri tell it, it'll be gone by the next time you log in 19:46 NakedFury i would cover griefers in undestructible bloks 19:46 NakedFury blocks or lava 19:46 marktraceur NakedFury: Assuming that damage is enabled, I suppose 19:46 NakedFury yes 19:46 NakedFury or just cover in blocks he cant destroy 19:46 NakedFury leave it there for a week 19:46 marktraceur *nod* 19:47 marktraceur Of course, you'd need access to undestructable blocks 19:47 marktraceur And the speed to place them around someone 19:47 NakedFury yeah 19:48 marktraceur At that point, you probably have kick privileges anyway 19:48 NakedFury special mod. Greifers Box 19:48 NakedFury place the block in the griefers location and he will be encased in a box 19:48 NakedFury instant 19:49 marktraceur And hopefully without free move :P 19:49 jordach nf, get lkjoel on the phone 19:49 marktraceur NakedFury: ^ 19:50 khonkhortisan +1 Greifers Box 19:50 NakedFury maybe a special block with the inside animated by some crap internet stuff, like the raindow cat 19:50 khonkhortisan including the song 19:50 NakedFury for the players eyes and ears only 19:51 Calinou And the speed to place them around someone 19:51 Calinou suddenly: hacks 19:52 Calinou NakedFury, it's called nyancat :P 19:52 Calinou what would you dou if they where griefing you right before your eyes ? cant have patient 19:52 NakedFury ^ some internet crap 19:52 khonkhortisan you only need one block, the mod can take care of placing the other blocks 19:52 Calinou pvp FTW 19:53 jordach hahahahahahahahahaha thexyz: lavinbg 19:56 jordach http://soundcloud.com/jordach/goldenrod NEW SONG GET 19:59 Calinou SEGFAULT. 20:00 khonkhortisan gdb 20:00 Calinou lol 20:00 Calinou I never use debugging when I need it 20:00 khonkhortisan all I know is run and bt 20:01 marktraceur It's good to know 20:01 marktraceur Well, if you enjoy pain 20:01 marktraceur If not, PYTHON. 20:01 marktraceur 20:02 marktraceur I mean, it's a pretty good language. 20:02 marktraceur 20:02 marktraceur You know, pick the language that works for you. 20:02 marktraceur 20:04 Calinou lol python 20:05 Calinou marktraceur, missing tag 20:05 Calinou missing tag 20:05 Calinou khonkhortisan, bt? 20:06 khonkhortisan backtrace, it gives you the path from main to your error 20:06 marktraceur Calinou: The parser started reading me midway through a element, nested in another, inside of the HTML document already 20:07 marktraceur The opening tags are scattered across Southern California 20:07 Calinou hi average harshlinuxian! 20:07 Calinou (khonk, not you) 20:09 sfan5 who uses archlinux? 20:10 marktraceur sfan5: Who knows what he's saying anymore, it's descended into mostly gibberish 20:10 sfan5 hm 20:13 jordach we need hardcore pvp: Calinou VS marktraceur 20:15 sfan5 ..hosted on thexyz's Root Server in Germany 20:15 sfan5 @jordach 20:15 marktraceur jordach: To what end? I can guarantee that Calinou would defeat me in such a contest. 20:15 * marktraceur sighs 20:15 jordach lol 20:15 marktraceur Damn it, I'm taking on strange characteristics again 20:15 jordach if he fought me, hed lose 20:15 khonkhortisan I know someone that uses archlinux, but I forgot who it was 20:15 sfan5 what a about a redeclipse match? 20:15 jordach YOUR MOTHER 20:15 thexyz sfan5: do you has any questions about archlinux? 20:15 jordach :0 20:16 khonkhortisan I keep starting red eclipse by accident when I want eclipse 20:16 jordach lol 20:16 sfan5 not really... @thexyz 20:16 marktraceur thexyz: I'm not sure if you've heard, bu emspri has seemed very concerned about griefers on your server. 20:16 khonkhortisan oh you're here 20:16 marktraceur I figured I should let you know rather than risk another outburst 20:16 thexyz marktraceur: i have already given him ban privilege 20:16 sfan5 i installed arcjlinux in a virtual macine today 20:17 marktraceur Awesome, that's much easier 20:17 sfan5 *archlinux 20:17 sfan5 what? 20:17 thexyz …aaaand? 20:18 khonkhortisan who? 20:18 sfan5 thexyz: it that i needed to generate entrophy while running "pacman-key --init" 20:19 Calinou jordach: To what end? I can guarantee that Calinou would defeat me in such a contest. 20:19 Calinou :D 20:19 khonkhortisan isn't that what typing on the keyboard is for? ssh does that 20:19 Calinou proprietary drivers FTW 20:19 sfan5 +was weird @ after 2nd worf 20:19 marktraceur Calinou: You once again forget that I, too, have non-free drivers 20:19 sfan5 *word 20:19 thexyz sfan5: just enter something from keyboard 20:19 Calinou oh 20:19 sfan5 dude, ios keyboard sucks 20:19 marktraceur Calinou: Though my thinkpad consistently gets over 50 FPS in Minetest with Nouveau drivers 20:19 NakedFury non free stuff for the win! 20:20 thexyz sfan5: have you installed it on ios device? 20:20 * jordach high fives Calinou for using proprietary drives 20:20 sfan5 thexyz: i used "ls -r/" thats faster :P 20:20 sfan5 no 20:20 marktraceur So I'm considering switching to a Thinkpad or two for primary computing, then having my desktops available for storage and stable services 20:20 Calinou marktraceur, screenshot please? I want proof. :P 20:21 * marktraceur sighs 20:21 Calinou nouveau and 50FPS, seems legit 20:21 marktraceur I'm at work, it's 13:10 in San Francisco 20:21 Calinou k 20:21 Calinou blame me for being in europe 20:21 sfan5 lol, its 22:21 for me 20:21 Calinou same 20:21 * Calinou highfives fortytwo 20:21 marktraceur Calinou: I do, not to worry 20:21 thexyz 00:21 20:21 Calinou sfan5*, lol fail 20:21 sfan5 :S 20:21 sfan5 *:D 20:22 marktraceur Hm, my server is clearly misinformed about the time 20:22 sfan5 thexyz: y u no sleep? 20:22 thexyz sfan5: because i can! 20:22 sfan5 hm 20:24 Calinou marktraceur, leap second FTl 20:24 Calinou s/l/L 20:24 thexyz yes, one more second to sleep 20:24 khonkhortisan leap second broke the kernel 20:25 jordach WINDOWS FTW 20:25 NakedFury ^^^^ 20:25 thexyz not the kernel, but linux kernel 20:25 thexyz and only if you had ntp installed 20:25 thexyz and synchronized 20:25 khonkhortisan what other things are called kernel? 20:25 sfan5 /dev/urandon FTW 20:25 Calinou leap second broke the kernel 20:25 Calinou there's a thing called "rebooting" 20:25 sfan5 *urandom 20:25 thexyz khonkhortisan: mac kernel? freebsd kernel? 20:25 Calinou linux obviously 20:26 khonkhortisan yeah he didn't want to do that, he's going for a highscore uptime 20:26 Calinou macs just said "buy ipad now" on the leap second 20:27 thexyz #boycottapple 20:27 jordach yep freebsd is the boss 20:27 NakedFury windows is the boss 20:28 thexyz oh tell me more about windows 20:28 thexyz does it has console? 20:28 NakedFury they let natural light into houses 20:28 marktraceur Calinou: I've had no issues with the leap second, none of my boxes are running Linux 3 20:28 khonkhortisan does it have a window lower button? can you copy and paste using only the mouse? 20:29 marktraceur Or maybe this laptop is, one sec 20:29 marktraceur Hm, OK, one is 20:29 khonkhortisan does it not allow programmer dvorak? 20:29 Calinou Calinou: I've had no issues with the leap second, none of my boxes are running Linux 3 20:29 Calinou screw linux 3 20:29 Calinou dvorak ._. 20:29 marktraceur Maybe my netbook, but it's not in use right now 20:30 Calinou kernel 3 is borked on "older" computers 20:30 Calinou like, brightness issues and driver issues 20:30 thexyz NakedFury: can you use mouse wheel in non-focused window? 20:30 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Is programmer dvorak a significant improvement over normal dvorak for programming, really? 20:30 thexyz marktraceur: OF COURSE NOT, THAT'S JUST NICE NAME!!1 20:30 khonkhortisan it's a disadvantage for typing numbers 20:31 khonkhortisan and I had just learned dvorak, so it was just a little more learning 20:31 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Interesting. 20:31 thexyz hm 20:31 marktraceur thexyz: He says there's a disadvantage, I'd say that's worth discussing, rather than simply assuming.... 20:31 khonkhortisan it extends the dvorak ideals to the non-alphabet keys - something like that 20:32 marktraceur *nod* makes sense 20:32 khonkhortisan you have to shift to type numbers 20:32 marktraceur I've often lamented that dvorak moves the brace keys further away from my hands 20:32 Calinou learning a keymap; seriously 20:32 thexyz is that 7531902468 thing real? 20:32 khonkhortisan I didn't know qwerty, so I learned to touch type at the same time as dvorak 20:32 Calinou azerty ftl, blame france 20:32 Calinou but I'm too used to it 20:34 jordach nutters 20:34 khonkhortisan I prefer using a keyboard layout from the electronic era 20:34 Calinou :c 20:34 Calinou doubt the keyboard layout helps you in programming 20:34 * Calinou is not a programmer anyway 20:35 marktraceur Calinou: Then for the programmers in the channel, thank you for weighing in 20:35 Calinou :] 20:36 khonkhortisan I'm not saying dvorak is any good, I'm saying that qwerty is bad 20:36 marktraceur Ha, true 20:36 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Did you see the article about the genetic algorithm for finding the best keymap? 20:37 Calinou qwerty > azerty at least 20:37 khonkhortisan but you're never going to jam your keyboard 20:37 marktraceur khonkhortisan: http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2002/Jul/06/EfficientKeyboardLayoutByGeneticAlgorithm 20:38 khonkhortisan I didn't really look to much at how the algorithms worked 20:38 Calinou very recent 20:38 marktraceur Apparently the original page has disappeared 20:38 marktraceur Calinou: Yes, and *your* keyboard layout is from what, the 1990s? At the latest? 20:39 marktraceur Oh, no, 1890s 20:39 khonkhortisan So I'm using a layout based on one from the 30s 20:39 marktraceur You're right, though, ten years is far too young 20:39 marktraceur khonkhortisan: This is my point 20:39 Calinou very recent 20:39 Calinou very recent compared to debian's french install manual 20:40 Calinou :3 20:40 marktraceur Calinou: Sorry to hear that 20:40 marktraceur Though really, Debian has evolved to the point where installation is pretty straightforward 20:40 Calinou I know, yeah, it's easy to install 20:40 Calinou but the (french? haven't seen the english one) is like from... 2000 or so 20:41 Calinou "beware when partitioning. example of partitions on a 20GB hard drive" 20:45 khonkhortisan marktraceur: I agree with the piano player 20:46 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Hm? 20:46 khonkhortisan how does it know what makes a keyboard layout good? 20:46 Calinou there is no best keyboard layout 20:46 Calinou that's like saying there is a best distro or programming language 20:46 Calinou :| 20:47 marktraceur khonkhortisan: It has to do with checking when you type consecutive letters with the same finger or hand 20:47 marktraceur The more times you do that, the worse the score for the layout 20:47 khonkhortisan but you can tell one is bad when it has a workaround for a problem that doesn't exist 20:47 marktraceur Because the more you can alternate, the better 20:47 marktraceur Also, the more frequent letters should be easily accessible, with the highest frequencies near the stronger fingers 20:48 marktraceur Which is why the vowels are all on the home row in Dvorak, but a big flaw is that 's' is on the right pinky.... 20:48 marktraceur Oh, no, they kept that 20:48 marktraceur Hm 20:48 marktraceur Maybe they didn't consider the strength of different fingers 20:48 Calinou what I hate in keyboard layouts: the need to hold shift or alt-gr to type <, >, [, ] 20:48 Calinou (at least in azerty) 20:48 Calinou it really slows you down :c 20:49 khonkhortisan for me <> are still shift but [] aren't 20:49 khonkhortisan but I wouldn't recommend my layout :) 20:49 Calinou shift only for >, not < 20:49 Calinou altgr for both [ and ] 20:50 marktraceur Calinou: And the <> problem is big in French :) 20:50 khonkhortisan ¬–øæ÷¿ I like my compose and altgr keys 20:50 marktraceur (or is there a key specifically for French-style quotes?) 20:50 Calinou marktraceur, why? these are mostly used for HTML & stuff like that 20:50 Calinou french quotes: not on azerty 20:51 marktraceur Ugh. 20:51 Calinou however some alternate french keyboard layouts have french quotes (linux FTW) 20:51 marktraceur Calinou: This is why I figured you'd use angle brackets, but meh 20:51 Calinou alt-gr + W or X: « » 20:51 khonkhortisan 'singlequote' "doublequote" ‘singlesmartquote’ “doublesmartquote” 20:51 khonkhortisan «» 20:51 Calinou shift + alt-gr + W or X: “ ” 20:52 khonkhortisan why w and x? 20:52 Calinou because? 20:52 khonkhortisan is the < above W? 20:53 Calinou no, W is at the right of <> and X at the right of W 20:53 khonkhortisan I guess I'm just more used to the compose key 20:53 * Calinou composes khonkhortisan 20:53 khonkhortisan compose + - + : = ÷ 20:54 Calinou oh hai, mr real division sign 20:54 * Calinou slaps khonkhortisan around a bit using a large ≠20:54 khonkhortisan ≠ wah there's no \= 20:55 Calinou =/= > silly, ~= > silly lua, != > better 20:56 khonkhortisan a <= b || b => c 20:56 khonkhortisan the lessthan/greaterthan has to come before the = 20:56 Calinou no, >= actually 20:57 khonkhortisan yes 20:57 Calinou lt/gt always before =, yes 20:57 Calinou <= and >= 20:57 khonkhortisan but why? 20:57 Calinou because cubescript 20:58 khonkhortisan sauerbraten? 20:58 Calinou :] 21:00 khonkhortisan I don't think I can put a for loop inside register_node() 21:02 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Nooope 21:03 marktraceur Or at least, not unless lua's anonymous function infrastructure is a lot cooler than I remember it being 22:56 khonkhortisan "A serialization error occurred: unsupported ContentFeatures version The server is probably running a different version of Minetest" means I tried to pack too many boxes in a block 22:56 VanessaE yup 22:57 VanessaE same has happened to me, except it happens if you have too many nodeboxes defined, period 22:57 VanessaE (across all your mods) 23:00 khonkhortisan I get CF_SPECIAL_COUNT using just under the number of nodeboxes required for the previous error 23:01 khonkhortisan okay I won't push the server 23:14 VanessaE no way, push it to the max ;-) 23:38 khonkhortisan how do I destroy an unknown object that I'm not holding? 23:39 khonkhortisan I destroy it, place something else there, and it comes back and makes me lose what I placed 23:44 Bad_Command You bury it. Eventually it will compost in to mud.