Time Nick Message 21:44 thexyz psst 21:44 Calinou Taoki, irrlicht supports MD2/MD3 and some other formats 21:44 Calinou IMO MT should use MD3 for player/mob models. 21:44 Calinou it is a quite widely used format in games 21:44 Calinou MD2 sucks 21:44 Taoki Calinou: Nice, I worked with md3 before 21:45 Taoki Calinou: No, not md3. You can't rig those 21:45 Taoki If I'm correct 21:45 Calinou ik 21:45 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/ 21:45 Taoki That's why in Xonotic we use iqm 21:45 thexyz just spamming 21:45 Calinou tell another format 21:45 Taoki But md3 is great for static ones 21:45 Calinou tell TID to implement IQM in irrlicht 21:45 Taoki Not sure. One that supports rigging 21:45 Calinou TID = teh irrlicht dudes 21:45 Calinou I don't want some weird format 21:45 Taoki Calinou: So Irrlicht doesn't support any rigged mesh format? 21:45 Calinou it does, but these are weird formats... lemme see 21:46 Calinou http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/features/ 21:46 Calinou here ya go 21:46 Taoki ok 21:46 Calinou B3D files (.b3d, r, skeleton) 21:46 Calinou Microsoft DirectX (.x, r) (binary & text, skeleton) 21:46 Calinou Milkshape (.ms3d, r, skeleton) 21:46 Calinou Quake 3 models (.md3, r, morph) 21:46 Calinou Quake 2 models (.md2, r, morph) 21:46 Calinou animated models 21:46 Taoki That means MT will also support them automatically, right? 21:46 Calinou HAHA 21:46 Calinou do you want to use .x models? :D 21:46 Calinou b3d = weird format 21:46 Calinou ms3d = weird format 21:47 Taoki No. But if any works, that is good 21:47 Taoki md3 would be great but its not skeletal 21:48 Calinou well, it still works 21:48 Calinou you can animate it using bones 21:48 Calinou and you can export anim to vertex-based anim 21:48 Taoki Yeah. But still 21:49 Taoki Anyway, my curioosity is if minetest currently can be made to use any model irrlicht supports 21:49 * Calinou should make a "minetest" playermodel 21:49 Taoki Are the LUA hooks in place? Do all formats work? 21:49 Taoki That would be great :) 21:49 Calinou ideally, if MD3 is used, the config for animated models should be in quake-3 format style. :D 21:49 Calinou nope, Taoki 21:49 thexyz Calinou: what format is not weird? 21:49 * Calinou wants minetest player in quake games 21:49 Taoki ok 21:49 Calinou thexyz, MD2/MD3 21:49 Calinou the only non-weird ones supported by irrlicht 21:49 Taoki Calinou: What is needed to get them working on MT 21:49 thexyz some proprietary shit, i guess? 21:49 Calinou Taoki, code, code, code, code, transparency sorting 21:49 Calinou thexyz, -_- 21:50 Taoki Calinou: ok. Though t it could just reference the irrlicht code 21:50 Calinou md2 = models used by idtech2, md3 = models used by idtech3 21:50 thexyz mmm... animation via keyframes 21:50 Calinou idtech2 = quake2 engine 21:50 thexyz not really usable 21:50 Calinou idtech3 = quake3 engine 21:50 Calinou thexyz, you can export it 21:50 Calinou (you make anim with bones in blender/whatever, you export to vertex anim) 21:50 thexyz bones ftw 21:50 Calinou then use .x or .b3d? 21:50 thexyz but, anyway 21:50 thexyz i think celeron55 prefers sprites 21:50 Calinou -_- 21:50 thexyz as he already told me 21:50 Calinou that's stupid 21:51 thexyz lol 21:51 Calinou flat planes are decent as placeholders 21:51 Calinou spirtes are SHIT 21:51 Calinou YAY FLYING FEET 21:51 Calinou YAY LOOK, IM TURNING WITH YOU HEHUEHUEHUHUEHUEHUE 21:51 thexyz i agree that 3d models are better 21:51 thexyz care to implement? 21:51 Calinou no 21:51 Taoki thexyz: Even so, adding 3D support will be imortant and i dont think hed be against it 21:51 Calinou never said it was easy :P 21:51 Taoki You can still use either sprites or 3D models 21:52 Taoki Other games will need 3D 21:52 thexyz there is still more important stuff to fix 21:52 thexyz for example, FUCKING LAGS 21:52 Calinou other people need to quit whining about potential performance issues when using 3D models 21:52 Calinou "lol 50000000 players in town lagz" 21:52 thexyz ? 21:52 Calinou :| 21:52 * Calinou points to Dogers 21:52 thexyz 40 players = awful lags 21:52 Calinou (he left anyway) 21:52 Calinou talking about rendering 21:52 Calinou gtg bye 21:52 thexyz also, enjoy new logs http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-06-29 21:52 Calinou TTYL :P 21:52 VanessaE xyz: even when I'm the only one on the server, it lags 21:53 thexyz VanessaE: that's bad 21:53 thexyz and i can't do anything with it 21:53 thexyz except restarting server 21:54 thexyz hm.. 21:54 thexyz gpl 21:54 thexyz GPL 21:54 thexyz oh nice, that works 21:54 VanessaE it's okay, just pointing it out for the context of the convo 21:58 marktraceur thexyz: That's cool 21:58 marktraceur What about stuff like AFAIK, YMMV, IIRC 21:58 marktraceur Sadness 21:59 thexyz i can add it 21:59 thexyz that is really nice logging "engine" 22:00 thexyz um... it'd be better if you could send me list of abbreviations 22:01 thexyz afaik 22:02 thexyz nice! 22:04 NakedFury is there an example of the sprite model celeron55 wants for the game? 22:04 thexyz added all of them 22:04 thexyz NakedFury: i think something like DM 22:04 thexyz he, although, gave me some links… 22:04 NakedFury what is DM? 22:05 NakedFury a game? 22:05 thexyz dungeon master 22:05 NakedFury still lost 22:05 thexyz i think i should add it to irclog's dictionary 22:05 thexyz something like doom sprites i think 22:05 NakedFury ohh 22:05 marktraceur thexyz: FWIW BRT BRB BBL HTH OMW WTF FTW IMHO IMO (just a few ideas) 22:05 NakedFury also add GTH 22:06 NakedFury FTW=FTL 22:08 VanessaE what about BBIAB? :-) 22:11 thexyz added all of them 22:12 marktraceur thexyz: Are they all case-insensitive? 22:13 thexyz yes 22:13 VanessaE thexyz: can you install bobblocks please? we need some decent lighting in the middle of town 22:13 VanessaE mm, maybe not; torches just don't seem to be cutting it for the style we're going for 22:14 marktraceur thexyz: Not gpl? 22:16 thexyz marktraceur: most default abbrevations are casesensitive 22:19 marktraceur Sadness 22:19 thexyz ? 22:20 marktraceur thexyz: gpl won't get highlighted, that's sadness 22:20 donaldrr3 speaking of GPL, I could have sworn minetest was under the GPL, but now when I look it is LGPL? 22:20 thexyz i have already fixed that 22:21 marktraceur donaldrr3: It changed recently 22:21 donaldrr3 also, it's gplv3's 5th birthday: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/gnu-gplv3-turns-5 22:21 marktraceur Woo! 22:24 marktraceur I think darkrose is an FSF member, but no staff in here :P 22:27 donaldrr3 I'm fsf staff 22:29 marktraceur donaldrr3: Oh, huh! I didn't know, sorry :) 22:29 donaldrr3 it's cool 22:30 marktraceur donaldrr3: Maybe in part due to your gateway/shell/gnu cloak, as opposed to the shiny fsf/staff ones 22:30 donaldrr3 oh yeah, I guess I should have set that properly 22:31 donaldrr3 I'm not campaigns so generally I'm pretty behind the scenes 22:32 marktraceur donaldrr3: Even so, I feel I've seen your name around 22:32 marktraceur Maybe on the foocorp things? 22:32 donaldrr3 yeah, that's possible, also i'm donaldrobertsoniii on reddit 22:32 marktraceur Probably just on staff pages somewhere, I dunno 22:32 donaldrr3 which is where I know you from 22:32 marktraceur Aha :) 22:32 marktraceur Sorry if I've rabble-roused in your direction 22:33 donaldrr3 haha, no, I have you listed as a friend on reddit cause you usually post links/comments that are pro-free software 22:34 marktraceur donaldrr3: Well I'm glad! That's certainly my intention 22:35 marktraceur (just don't talk too loudly in here about that stuff, they'll start yelling in all caps and generally being irritating :P) 22:35 donaldrr3 lol 22:37 marktraceur donaldrr3: If you'd like, marktraceur.info is a minetest server I try to keep running, port 30000 22:37 marktraceur (latest git version, though, so it takes some work to compile the client) 22:38 marktraceur I'll have to give you build, but it's not too difficult....I know dpic had expressed interest in getting on, though I haven't heard back from him on it 23:26 NakedFury what do you guys/girls expect from combat in minetest? 23:29 marktraceur NakedFury: The option to turn it off. That's all :) 23:30 NakedFury I do agree, having the option to turn off features is a most have...feature 23:31 NakedFury I must say I hope MineTest doesn't copy the combat in minecraft, it sucks 23:32 VanessaE there, now the air conditioner is installed.. won't be 86 in here for much longer :-) 23:33 marktraceur Mark's checklist for reenacting "Swamp People" in minetest: Swamp trees, boats, guns, alligators 23:33 NakedFury tabacco 23:33 NakedFury dont forget that 23:33 marktraceur Mark's checklist for reenacting "Deadliest Catch" in minetest: Boats, fishing with pots 23:33 VanessaE Tabasco0? what's that got to do with swamps? 23:33 marktraceur ^^ that list is a lot shorter 23:33 VanessaE or did you mean tobacco? :-) 23:33 VanessaE BAH, spelling nazi FAIL 23:34 marktraceur NakedFury: Swamp people doesn't have that much smoking....Deadliest Catch definitely does, but Swamp People usually lets it go under the radar 23:35 NakedFury swamp people also needs traps 23:35 marktraceur Anyway, the point is, once I get off my ass and make a "pot-fishing" mod (maybe reconsider the name), it'll be awesome 23:35 NakedFury deadliest catch needs cold enviroment and a nasty sea 23:35 NakedFury and crabs 23:36 marktraceur NakedFury: I'd be willing to live without the waves and shit, and the crabs can just be a craft item that you get from crafting a full pot 23:37 marktraceur That's also how I plan to implement trapping 23:37 NakedFury ok 23:37 marktraceur You never actually see the animals, but if you've been away for a while they get filled 23:38 NakedFury ok 23:38 marktraceur If anyone wants to take a shot at it, go ahead, a shorter TODO list is not a bad thing for me 23:40 VanessaE NakedFury: you still have that naturalgas mod to do :-) 23:50 bcnjr5 Darn... 23:51 MiJyn ya? 23:51 bcnjr5 ? 23:51 marktraceur bcnjr5: Why darn? 23:53 bcnjr5 I am using a jacked hard drive, computer smashed... 23:53 VanessaE bcn! 23:54 VanessaE where the fuck have you been!? 23:54 bcnjr5 Repairing my computer... 23:54 marktraceur Wow, must have been pretty bad 23:54 VanessaE damn 23:54 VanessaE what happened? 23:55 bcnjr5 My little brother logged in as me on ecube's server and got me banned, then he smashed everything... 23:55 marktraceur WOW. 23:55 VanessaE shit 23:55 bcnjr5 I finally finished restoring what I could. (minetest is corrupted) 23:56 marktraceur So the progression there was "Augh, how dare they ban me for being a dick, I'm going to smash this computer, that'll show them that I'm a nice guy" 23:56 VanessaE bcnjr5: there have been many changes since you were here last. YOu need a fresh new git as new features have been added :-) 23:56 bcnjr5 I caught him and he destroyed the evidence. :) 23:56 NakedFury what an ass 23:56 VanessaE like stairs, animated nodes, custom node shapes... 23:57 bcnjr5 And I am downloading now. 23:58 bcnjr5 Lol, I am literally using a pile of duct tape attached to a desktop! 23:58 MiJyn bcnjr5, man, he must get into trouble 23:58 NakedFury make him pay for a new one 23:58 MiJyn did he break anything? 23:59 VanessaE I hope he's been suitably reprimanded for it