IRC log for #minetest, 2012-06-29

Time	Nick	Message
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21:43		Topic for #minetest is now Please be patient when asking questions; don't ask to ask. \| Main website: http://minetest.net \| Development channel: #minetest-delta
21:44	thexyz	psst
21:44	Calinou	Taoki, irrlicht supports MD2/MD3 and some other formats
21:44	Calinou	IMO MT should use MD3 for player/mob models.
21:44	Calinou	it is a quite widely used format in games
21:44	Calinou	MD2 sucks
21:44	Taoki	Calinou: Nice, I worked with md3 before
21:45	Taoki	Calinou: No, not md3. You can't rig those
21:45	Taoki	If I'm correct
21:45	Calinou	ik
21:45	thexyz	http://irc.minetest.ru/
21:45	Taoki	That's why in Xonotic we use iqm
21:45	thexyz	just spamming
21:45	Calinou	tell another format
21:45	Taoki	But md3 is great for static ones
21:45	Calinou	tell TID to implement IQM in irrlicht
21:45	Taoki	Not sure. One that supports rigging
21:45	Calinou	TID = teh irrlicht dudes
21:45	Calinou	I don't want some weird format
21:45	Taoki	Calinou: So Irrlicht doesn't support any rigged mesh format?
21:45	Calinou	it does, but these are weird formats... lemme see
21:46	Calinou	http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/features/
21:46	Calinou	here ya go
21:46	Taoki	ok
21:46	Calinou	B3D files (.b3d, r, skeleton)
21:46	Calinou	Microsoft DirectX (.x, r) (binary & text, skeleton)
21:46	Calinou	Milkshape (.ms3d, r, skeleton)
21:46	Calinou	Quake 3 models (.md3, r, morph)
21:46	Calinou	Quake 2 models (.md2, r, morph)
21:46	Calinou	animated models
21:46	Taoki	That means MT will also support them automatically, right?
21:46	Calinou	HAHA
21:46	Calinou	do you want to use .x models? :D
21:46	Calinou	b3d = weird format
21:46	Calinou	ms3d = weird format
21:47	Taoki	No. But if any works, that is good
21:47	Taoki	md3 would be great but its not skeletal
21:48	Calinou	well, it still works
21:48	Calinou	you can animate it using bones
21:48	Calinou	and you can export anim to vertex-based anim
21:48	Taoki	Yeah. But still
21:49	Taoki	Anyway, my curioosity is if minetest currently can be made to use any model irrlicht supports
21:49	* Calinou	should make a "minetest" playermodel
21:49	Taoki	Are the LUA hooks in place? Do all formats work?
21:49	Taoki	That would be great :)
21:49	Calinou	ideally, if MD3 is used, the config for animated models should be in quake-3 format style. :D
21:49	Calinou	nope, Taoki
21:49	thexyz	Calinou: what format is not weird?
21:49	* Calinou	wants minetest player in quake games
21:49	Taoki	ok
21:49	Calinou	thexyz, MD2/MD3
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21:49	Calinou	the only non-weird ones supported by irrlicht
21:49	Taoki	Calinou: What is needed to get them working on MT
21:49	thexyz	some proprietary shit, i guess?
21:49	Calinou	Taoki, code, code, code, code, transparency sorting
21:49	Calinou	thexyz, -_-
21:50	Taoki	Calinou: ok. Though t it could just reference the irrlicht code
21:50	Calinou	md2 = models used by idtech2, md3 = models used by idtech3
21:50	thexyz	mmm... animation via keyframes
21:50	Calinou	idtech2 = quake2 engine
21:50	thexyz	not really usable
21:50	Calinou	idtech3 = quake3 engine
21:50	Calinou	thexyz, you can export it
21:50	Calinou	(you make anim with bones in blender/whatever, you export to vertex anim)
21:50	thexyz	bones ftw
21:50	Calinou	then use .x or .b3d?
21:50	thexyz	but, anyway
21:50	thexyz	i think celeron55 prefers sprites
21:50	Calinou	-_-
21:50	thexyz	as he already told me
21:50	Calinou	that's stupid
21:51	thexyz	lol
21:51	Calinou	flat planes are decent as placeholders
21:51	Calinou	spirtes are SHIT
21:51	Calinou	YAY FLYING FEET
21:51	Calinou	YAY LOOK, IM TURNING WITH YOU HEHUEHUEHUHUEHUEHUE
21:51	thexyz	i agree that 3d models are better
21:51	thexyz	care to implement?
21:51	Calinou	no
21:51	Taoki	thexyz: Even so, adding 3D support will be imortant and i dont think hed be against it
21:51	Calinou	never said it was easy :P
21:51	Taoki	You can still use either sprites or 3D models
21:52	Taoki	Other games will need 3D
21:52	thexyz	there is still more important stuff to fix
21:52	thexyz	for example, FUCKING LAGS
21:52	Calinou	other people need to quit whining about potential performance issues when using 3D models
21:52	Calinou	"lol 50000000 players in town lagz"
21:52	thexyz	?
21:52	Calinou	:\|
21:52	* Calinou	points to Dogers
21:52	thexyz	40 players = awful lags
21:52	Calinou	(he left anyway)
21:52	Calinou	talking about rendering
21:52	Calinou	gtg bye
21:52	thexyz	also, enjoy new logs http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-06-29
21:52	Calinou	TTYL :P
21:52	VanessaE	xyz: even when I'm the only one on the server, it lags
21:53	thexyz	VanessaE: that's bad
21:53	thexyz	and i can't do anything with it
21:53	thexyz	except restarting server
21:54	thexyz	hm..
21:54	thexyz	gpl
21:54	thexyz	GPL
21:54	thexyz	oh nice, that works
21:54	VanessaE	it's okay, just pointing it out for the context of the convo
21:58	marktraceur	thexyz: That's cool
21:58	marktraceur	What about stuff like AFAIK, YMMV, IIRC
21:58	marktraceur	Sadness
21:59	thexyz	i can add it
21:59	thexyz	that is really nice logging "engine"
22:00	thexyz	um... it'd be better if you could send me list of abbreviations
22:01	thexyz	afaik
22:02	thexyz	nice!
22:04	NakedFury	is there an example of the sprite model celeron55 wants for the game?
22:04	thexyz	added all of them
22:04	thexyz	NakedFury: i think something like DM
22:04	thexyz	he, although, gave me some linksâ€¦
22:04	NakedFury	what is DM?
22:05	NakedFury	a game?
22:05	thexyz	dungeon master
22:05	NakedFury	still lost
22:05	thexyz	i think i should add it to irclog's dictionary
22:05	thexyz	something like doom sprites i think
22:05	NakedFury	ohh
22:05	marktraceur	thexyz: FWIW BRT BRB BBL HTH OMW WTF FTW IMHO IMO (just a few ideas)
22:05	NakedFury	also add GTH
22:06	NakedFury	FTW=FTL
22:08	VanessaE	what about BBIAB? :-)
22:11	thexyz	added all of them
22:12	marktraceur	thexyz: Are they all case-insensitive?
22:13	thexyz	yes
22:13	VanessaE	thexyz: can you install bobblocks please? we need some decent lighting in the middle of town
22:13	VanessaE	mm, maybe not; torches just don't seem to be cutting it for the style we're going for
22:14	marktraceur	thexyz: Not gpl?
22:16	thexyz	marktraceur: most default abbrevations are casesensitive
22:19	marktraceur	Sadness
22:19	thexyz	?
22:20	marktraceur	thexyz: gpl won't get highlighted, that's sadness
22:20	donaldrr3	speaking of GPL, I could have sworn minetest was under the GPL, but now when I look it is LGPL?
22:20	thexyz	i have already fixed that
22:21	marktraceur	donaldrr3: It changed recently
22:21	donaldrr3	also, it's gplv3's 5th birthday: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/gnu-gplv3-turns-5
22:21	marktraceur	Woo!
22:24	marktraceur	I think darkrose is an FSF member, but no staff in here :P
22:27	donaldrr3	I'm fsf staff
22:29	marktraceur	donaldrr3: Oh, huh! I didn't know, sorry :)
22:29	donaldrr3	it's cool
22:30	marktraceur	donaldrr3: Maybe in part due to your gateway/shell/gnu cloak, as opposed to the shiny fsf/staff ones
22:30	donaldrr3	oh yeah, I guess I should have set that properly
22:31	donaldrr3	I'm not campaigns so generally I'm pretty behind the scenes
22:32	marktraceur	donaldrr3: Even so, I feel I've seen your name around
22:32	marktraceur	Maybe on the foocorp things?
22:32	donaldrr3	yeah, that's possible, also i'm donaldrobertsoniii on reddit
22:32	marktraceur	Probably just on staff pages somewhere, I dunno
22:32	donaldrr3	which is where I know you from
22:32	marktraceur	Aha :)
22:32	marktraceur	Sorry if I've rabble-roused in your direction
22:33	donaldrr3	haha, no, I have you listed as a friend on reddit cause you usually post links/comments that are pro-free software
22:34	marktraceur	donaldrr3: Well I'm glad! That's certainly my intention
22:35	marktraceur	(just don't talk too loudly in here about that stuff, they'll start yelling in all caps and generally being irritating :P)
22:35	donaldrr3	lol
22:37	marktraceur	donaldrr3: If you'd like, marktraceur.info is a minetest server I try to keep running, port 30000
22:37	marktraceur	(latest git version, though, so it takes some work to compile the client)
22:38	marktraceur	I'll have to give you build, but it's not too difficult....I know dpic had expressed interest in getting on, though I haven't heard back from him on it
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23:26	NakedFury	what do you guys/girls expect from combat in minetest?
23:29	marktraceur	NakedFury: The option to turn it off. That's all :)
23:30	NakedFury	I do agree, having the option to turn off features is a most have...feature
23:31	NakedFury	I must say I hope MineTest doesn't copy the combat in minecraft, it sucks
23:32	VanessaE	there, now the air conditioner is installed.. won't be 86 in here for much longer :-)
23:33	marktraceur	Mark's checklist for reenacting "Swamp People" in minetest: Swamp trees, boats, guns, alligators
23:33	NakedFury	tabacco
23:33	NakedFury	dont forget that
23:33	marktraceur	Mark's checklist for reenacting "Deadliest Catch" in minetest: Boats, fishing with pots
23:33	VanessaE	Tabasco0? what's that got to do with swamps?
23:33	marktraceur	^^ that list is a lot shorter
23:33	VanessaE	or did you mean tobacco? :-)
23:33	VanessaE	BAH, spelling nazi FAIL
23:34	marktraceur	NakedFury: Swamp people doesn't have that much smoking....Deadliest Catch definitely does, but Swamp People usually lets it go under the radar
23:35	NakedFury	swamp people also needs traps
23:35	marktraceur	Anyway, the point is, once I get off my ass and make a "pot-fishing" mod (maybe reconsider the name), it'll be awesome
23:35	NakedFury	deadliest catch needs cold enviroment and a nasty sea
23:35	NakedFury	and crabs
23:36	marktraceur	NakedFury: I'd be willing to live without the waves and shit, and the crabs can just be a craft item that you get from crafting a full pot
23:37	marktraceur	That's also how I plan to implement trapping
23:37	NakedFury	ok
23:37	marktraceur	You never actually see the animals, but if you've been away for a while they get filled
23:38	NakedFury	ok
23:38	marktraceur	If anyone wants to take a shot at it, go ahead, a shorter TODO list is not a bad thing for me
23:40	VanessaE	NakedFury: you still have that naturalgas mod to do :-)
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23:50	bcnjr5	Darn...
23:51	MiJyn	ya?
23:51	bcnjr5	?
23:51	marktraceur	bcnjr5: Why darn?
23:53	bcnjr5	I am using a jacked hard drive, computer smashed...
23:53	VanessaE	bcn!
23:54	VanessaE	where the fuck have you been!?
23:54	bcnjr5	Repairing my computer...
23:54	marktraceur	Wow, must have been pretty bad
23:54	VanessaE	damn
23:54	VanessaE	what happened?
23:55	bcnjr5	My little brother logged in as me on ecube's server and got me banned, then he smashed everything...
23:55	marktraceur	WOW.
23:55	VanessaE	shit
23:55	bcnjr5	I finally finished restoring what I could. (minetest is corrupted)
23:56	marktraceur	So the progression there was "Augh, how dare they ban me for being a dick, I'm going to smash this computer, that'll show them that I'm a nice guy"
23:56	VanessaE	bcnjr5: there have been many changes since you were here last. YOu need a fresh new git as new features have been added :-)
23:56	bcnjr5	I caught him and he destroyed the evidence. :)
23:56	NakedFury	what an ass
23:56	VanessaE	like stairs, animated nodes, custom node shapes...
23:57	bcnjr5	And I am downloading now.
23:58	bcnjr5	Lol, I am literally using a pile of duct tape attached to a desktop!
23:58	MiJyn	bcnjr5, man, he must get into trouble
23:58	NakedFury	make him pay for a new one
23:58	MiJyn	did he break anything?
23:59	VanessaE	I hope he's been suitably reprimanded for it

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