Time Nick Message 00:10 OldCoder I see that Zeno` has left; so, I'm not able or, in fact, allowed, to respond. 00:10 OldCoder Typical. 00:13 OldCoder ircSparky, PM 02:09 OldCoder garywhite, Hi 10:15 srifqi Hey! 10:40 Zeno` is OldCoder here? 10:52 Zeno` OldCoder, I've read your comments within the 24 hours that you stipulated I must just read them in 10:52 Zeno` OldCoder, I've also read your autobigraphy and all that. 10:56 Zeno` I can empathise with what you've been through because your narrative closely resembles my own. I was also bullied and abused every day for many, many years. I lived in constant fear. So, yes, I can understand all that. What I cannot understand is why you are choosing to be a bully yourself. Surely having lived through that you know how it affects the victim(s). But you're doing the same thing. Doxxing people, humiliating them in public, 10:56 Zeno` making threats. 10:57 Zeno` You are, of course, free to continue to do so but don't say that you're doing it because of how people treated you in the past 10:57 Zeno` I have never said a bad word about you before the last few days, but this is ridiculous 10:58 Zeno` I counted you as a friend 10:58 Zeno` But you are attacking and upsetting people who have done *nothing* to do. And that is not right. 10:59 Zeno` And, if you want to take legal action against me then feel free because I've done nothing wrong. You'd be wasting your time and money and just making yourself look foolish. 11:01 Zeno` I'm ashamed that I ever counted you as a friend. 11:24 OldCoder Zeno`, I do not understand what you are talking about 11:24 OldCoder You are speaking rubbish in an attempt to harm me 11:24 Zeno` I am not attempting anything OC 11:33 OldCoder Zeno`, shame on you 11:33 Zeno` *sigh* 11:33 OldCoder You have made false accusations. You have no conscience. 11:33 OldCoder I will take appropriate steps 11:33 Zeno` Take them 11:33 OldCoder I am the one attacked 11:33 OldCoder As you wish 11:33 Zeno` Take the steps dude 11:34 OldCoder Perttu *ordered* me to humiliate *myself* 11:34 Zeno` Just take the steps against me 11:34 OldCoder ... 11:34 OldCoder Zeno`, the steps will be as I have tried to explain to you repeatedly 11:34 OldCoder Continue to put words in my mouth 11:34 OldCoder And I will have grounds for a subpoena 11:34 Zeno` I will take appropriate steps 11:35 OldCoder And I do do that sort of thing 11:35 Zeno` ^-- Take them 11:35 OldCoder As you wish 11:35 Zeno` thanks 11:35 OldCoder You are most welcome 11:43 Zeno` Can I make a suggestion OldCoder 11:43 OldCoder Zeno`, I am busy editing. Will you mock and lie further? Can it wait, please? 11:44 Zeno` If you think you're being attacked (and you're not) then just leave this channel 11:44 OldCoder Zeno`, the attacks started for no other reason that that I refused to leave this channel 11:44 OldCoder That was it. There was nothing else. 11:44 OldCoder Perttu ordered me to leave 11:44 OldCoder His justification was as follows: 11:45 OldCoder "You are too detailed. You weird out people. You should leave." 11:45 Zeno` There have been no attacks, but if you insist that there have been then it is your responsibility to leave this channel so that the alleged cannot happen again 11:45 OldCoder I will never, ever, respond agreeably to being told that being autistic... 11:45 OldCoder There has been nothing but attacks on your part 11:45 OldCoder Continuous 11:45 OldCoder Harsh 11:45 OldCoder Unjustified 11:45 OldCoder For two months now\ 11:45 OldCoder Make it stop 11:45 Zeno` You have the power to stop the imaginary attacks 11:45 OldCoder Imaginary? Troll. 11:46 OldCoder I have listed the attacks 11:46 OldCoder Who shut down 11:46 OldCoder unk's world? You are a troll 11:46 OldCoder Who did thta? 11:46 OldCoder Was it Santa Claus? Troll. 11:46 OldCoder Who deopped me in #minetest for saying that I *might* kick a troll? 11:46 OldCoder Who brought in Freenode admins? 11:47 Shara Wait - unk's world was 'shut down'? 11:47 OldCoder Who has called me liar 11:47 Zeno` I will reiterate. If you don't want people defending themselves against you then just leave 11:47 OldCoder Shara, it was hacked 11:47 OldCoder Zeno`, you did not let me respond 11:47 Shara OldCoder: As where many, many servers. 11:47 OldCoder But your filth of lies 11:47 OldCoder means that the discussion is over 11:47 Shara Including some of those under the control of those you have called out as attackers. 11:47 OldCoder I am the one attacked 11:47 OldCoder I will defend myself 11:47 Zeno` OldCoder, if you take no action then you have no legal stance 11:47 OldCoder You will not stop this 11:47 OldCoder So I must do so 11:47 OldCoder Note that 11:47 OldCoder You did not 11:48 OldCoder let me answer your question 11:48 OldCoder Fraud. Coward. Troll. 11:48 OldCoder 11:48 Zeno` OldCoder, as I have said, you can stop these imaginary attacks by simply leaving. 11:48 OldCoder Zeno`, point #1: 11:48 OldCoder The attacks have been continuous 11:48 OldCoder Who shut down 11:48 OldCoder unk's world? 11:49 Zeno` (alleged attacks) 11:49 OldCoder You will eat the word "imaginary" in due course 11:49 srifqi Sorry to distrub, anybody knows when did Minetest changes it's mainmenu tabs to be "Local Game" and "Play Online"? 11:49 OldCoder Point #2: You did not let me answer the question about leaving 11:49 OldCoder srifqi, we can check 11:49 OldCoder git logs 11:49 OldCoder I will help in a minute 11:49 Zeno` OldCoder, and what reasonable attempt have you made to stop these alleged attacks? 11:49 OldCoder Zeno`, you did not let me answer 11:49 OldCoder Your previous question 11:49 OldCoder Why would I be fool enough 11:49 OldCoder to answer another one? 11:50 OldCoder Troll. Coward. 11:50 OldCoder You do not 11:50 OldCoder wish to hear the answer 11:50 OldCoder Because you would then appear 11:50 OldCoder Less than Holy 11:50 Zeno` Because there is a simple way to stop the alleged attacks. You have chosen not to take that action. 11:50 OldCoder Troll 11:50 OldCoder 11:50 OldCoder Zeno`, you interrupted my answer 11:50 OldCoder Why would I speak with you further? 11:50 OldCoder You did not let me respond 11:50 Zeno` Therefore you have no legal standing because you did not remove yourself from the situation 11:50 OldCoder Troll. Coward. 11:50 OldCoder 11:50 OldCoder That is rubbish 11:50 OldCoder Both legally and ethicallyh 11:51 Zeno` No, it's the law 11:51 OldCoder I will never surrender 11:51 OldCoder It is not :D 11:51 OldCoder I will never surrender the channel 11:51 Zeno` It is 11:51 OldCoder If Freenode takes it 11:51 OldCoder It is not 11:51 OldCoder You are speaking rubbish 11:51 OldCoder If Freenode takes it, that will simply be a debt 11:51 OldCoder That will be called due 11:51 OldCoder You did not let respond 11:51 OldCoder Therefore cease harassing me 11:51 OldCoder To ask a question 11:51 OldCoder and not let me respond 11:51 Zeno` Have you taken steps to remove yourself from perceived "danger"? 11:51 OldCoder is cowardice 11:52 OldCoder To ask a question and not let me respond is cowardice 11:52 OldCoder Coward 11:52 OldCoder I started to answer 11:52 Zeno` Type more quickly then :) 11:52 OldCoder and you did not let me respond 11:52 OldCoder You have now crossed the line 11:52 OldCoder Good Day 11:52 OldCoder srifqi, can you be specific? 11:52 OldCoder Where does this appear? 11:53 OldCoder Zeno`, and F.U. regarding "danger". This is about 2 months of harassment. 11:53 OldCoder Directed at this channel. 11:53 srifqi In mainmenu, just run Minetest and then I saw "Singleplayer" , "Multiplayer", and "Server" have been changed to "Local Game" and "Play Online". 11:53 OldCoder I will never leave it. 11:53 OldCoder srifqi, wait 11:53 OldCoder Hold on 11:53 OldCoder Let me get into git 11:54 Zeno` Have you taken steps to remove yourself from perceived "danger"? 11:54 OldCoder Zeno`, F.U. 11:54 OldCoder You are a coward 11:54 OldCoder If I try to answer 11:54 OldCoder You will not let me 11:54 OldCoder Coward. Troll. 11:54 OldCoder srifqi, I am gitting. 11:54 OldCoder Zeno`, there is no danger 11:55 OldCoder F.U. 11:55 Zeno` You said there was 11:55 OldCoder Liar 11:55 OldCoder Troll 11:55 OldCoder Liar 11:55 OldCoder Coward 11:55 OldCoder Liar 11:55 OldCoder srifqi, wait 11:55 celeron55 OldCoder: don't use quotation marks when you are not quoting me 11:55 OldCoder I am dealing with a troll 11:55 OldCoder celeron55, specific, please 11:55 OldCoder Can you be specific? 11:55 OldCoder I will clarify or retract if necessary 11:56 OldCoder Oh, nice 11:56 OldCoder Perttu, you are a coward as well 11:56 OldCoder Speak and then run away 11:56 OldCoder I do not show respect to cowards, bullies, and trolls 11:56 OldCoder srifqi, I am attempting once again to look into your issue 11:57 OldCoder As you can see, I am being trolled 11:57 OldCoder Right now 11:57 OldCoder Therefore, patience is requested 11:57 OldCoder 11:57 srifqi OldCoder, I'll wait. 11:57 OldCoder Minute 11:57 OldCoder I can patch the change for you 11:57 OldCoder And will do so if possible 11:57 OldCoder srifqi, I must get fluids. It is a personal issue. It will take 5 minutes or so. I can't quite stand up. 11:57 OldCoder I imagine there will be more sh*t while I am away 11:57 srifqi OldCoder, I just want to know when and who add it. 11:58 OldCoder Then 11:58 OldCoder Do you have Linux? 11:58 OldCoder Or are you familiar with the Windows command line? 11:58 OldCoder Never mind 11:58 OldCoder I'll take care of it 11:58 OldCoder Please wait, you are the first non-troll to speak here 11:58 OldCoder and ask a real question 11:58 OldCoder I think, in a while 11:58 OldCoder This is valued 11:58 OldCoder 11:59 OldCoder Please disregard the trolls 11:59 OldCoder Perttu, when you are done being a coward, PM to explain the citation that you wish changed 11:59 OldCoder Keep that sh*t out of this channel 12:04 srifqi OldCoder, found it: 4dc97eb99fdbeec186cce5b03c64fb1df319d19d 12:04 srifqi Thanks for helping. 12:05 Zeno` pfft 12:05 Zeno` dead channel 12:05 OldCoder srifqi, I did not help 12:05 OldCoder srifqi, I am regretful 12:07 OldCoder srifqi, I have tried to help people for 5 years 12:07 OldCoder Tonight, I was not permitted to do so 12:07 srifqi It's okay. 12:07 OldCoder It is typical of the last 2 months 12:07 OldCoder Please, ask again when necessary 12:08 OldCoder I will be here, most days, until they sh*t upon this last scrap of dignity 12:08 sfan5 how many words do i need to write in here to get called a coward too? :D 12:08 OldCoder sfan5, you are in the grey area. And, please, no more tonight. My next major post talks about you... 12:08 OldCoder Objectively 12:08 OldCoder You can vet it if you like 12:08 OldCoder The word coward does not appear 12:08 OldCoder In fact 12:08 sfan5 i invite you to try to dox me 12:08 sfan5 like you did with everyone else 12:08 OldCoder F.U. 12:08 sfan5 will be fim 12:08 sfan5 fun* 12:09 sfan5 >F.U. 12:09 sfan5 can you spell that out? 12:09 OldCoder I have had enough of the lies 12:09 OldCoder I can but will not 12:09 sfan5 american politeness i see 12:09 OldCoder Do you or don't you 12:09 OldCoder Better than your attacks 12:09 OldCoder Do you or don't you wish 12:09 OldCoder to review and vet 12:09 OldCoder the upcoming post 12:09 OldCoder you have just referred to 12:09 OldCoder Pro Tip: 12:09 OldCoder The word coward does not appear 12:09 OldCoder Only Perttu and Craig 12:10 OldCoder have demonstrated cowardice 12:10 OldCoder 12:10 OldCoder I note that you were one of those who I respected 12:10 OldCoder STFU with the accusations unless you can be specific. After 2 months, I have had enough of the sh*t. 12:11 OldCoder You are the bully - not quite a troll. Do not pretend to be superior to *me*. 12:11 OldCoder 12:11 OldCoder sfan5, I must return to editing a placeholder post 12:11 sfan5 trying to find out peoples names, their pictures, their preferences, place of work/education is not doxing? 12:11 sfan5 if you say it isn't, then fine that's your opinion 12:11 sfan5 but nobody will agree with that 12:11 OldCoder sfan5, I will comment in detail on the matter - from a legal perspective 12:12 OldCoder In the full post 12:12 OldCoder But I will say this now 12:12 OldCoder This is your cowardice test 12:12 OldCoder 12:12 OldCoder Minute 12:12 sfan5 you are not a lawyer you can't comment on the legal perspective 12:12 OldCoder I have been accused of all sorts of sh*t 12:12 sfan5 i mean obviously you can 12:12 sfan5 but it's not going to be useful 12:12 OldCoder Oh, can't I? With more authority than attorneys? 12:12 OldCoder I f*ck attorneys 12:12 OldCoder I have done so for 5 years 12:13 OldCoder Want to ask them? 12:13 OldCoder I'll give you their names and phone numbers 12:13 OldCoder sfan5, I wrote something about myself 12:13 OldCoder In a letter that you received 12:13 OldCoder Did you understand it? It would be boastful to repeat it here 12:13 OldCoder The most powerful attorney 12:13 OldCoder In the U.S. 12:13 sfan5 a letter? 12:13 OldCoder Was the next dumber kid... 12:13 OldCoder Perhaps it was filtered 12:13 OldCoder Check spam 12:13 OldCoder Was the next dumber kid in class 12:13 OldCoder 12:14 OldCoder Yes, I can comment authoritatively 12:14 sfan5 i feel you have mentioned this sometime already 12:14 OldCoder I paid for the right 12:14 OldCoder In my life's blood 12:14 OldCoder 12:14 OldCoder Now... here is your test 12:14 OldCoder for cowardice 12:14 OldCoder Moment please 12:14 OldCoder 12:14 OldCoder I have been accused of all sorts of things. For 2 months. I am weary of it and will defend myself... 12:14 OldCoder 2 months of this sh*t 12:15 OldCoder "Doxing" ? F*ck. I have switched from nicks to IRL names for those people who have *posted* their IRL names. And I have tried to IRL identify two trolls. 12:15 OldCoder I apologize for neither step 12:15 sfan5 so doxing is okay if you think people are trolls? 12:15 OldCoder I DO do doxing. I am very very good at it. I have doxed nobody in MT or Freenode yes. 12:15 OldCoder Read what I just said, sfan5 12:16 OldCoder here is your test for cowardice 12:16 OldCoder 12:16 OldCoder I have not even *attempted* to locate or identify anybody but two anonymous trolls. Are you able to cite any other such step? And does that step justify 1/100 of 1% of the lies that have been told and the attacks on this channel? 12:16 OldCoder You may answer yes or no 12:17 OldCoder The test for cowardice 12:17 OldCoder Is whether or not you will provide and defend an answer 12:17 OldCoder Craig and Perttu celeron55 will not 12:17 sfan5 am i able to cite? just look at your own website 12:17 OldCoder 12:17 OldCoder Yes, go on? 12:17 sfan5 justification? doxing is never justified 12:17 OldCoder Yes, go on? 12:17 sfan5 12:17 OldCoder The answer is, then... 12:17 OldCoder that trying to identify 12:17 OldCoder wait, please 12:18 OldCoder I am not well. Need to focus to type. 12:18 OldCoder The answer is, then, that trying to identify anonymous trolls *is* inappropriate? Respond to the 2nd part. As this happened *after* this channel was attacked repeatedly... 12:18 OldCoder How do you justify the attacks on this channel? 12:18 OldCoder Speak 12:18 OldCoder This is your test 12:18 OldCoder 12:19 sfan5 which attacks? 12:19 OldCoder It is all on the website. As is my settlement proposal. Which I imagine will be sh*t upon. 12:19 sfan5 before you come with ddos or some randos server getting hacked: how do you know who is behind those? 12:19 OldCoder It started with you 12:20 OldCoder You told Shara, in effect, to go f*ck herself 12:20 OldCoder It was a fit of temper 12:20 OldCoder Understandable 12:20 sfan5 and how are you related to this? 12:20 OldCoder But this all comes down to *you* 2 months ago 12:20 OldCoder Shara asked me to help 12:20 sfan5 i can tell other people to fuck off as i please 12:20 OldCoder Yes, you can 12:20 OldCoder That was not trolling 12:20 sfan5 >she asked you to help 12:20 sfan5 this is surely not the help she desired 12:20 OldCoder Shara is probably Jordach and Maciek 12:20 sfan5 *sigh* 12:20 OldCoder Wait, please 12:20 OldCoder Do not *sigh* at me 12:20 OldCoder You asked 12:21 OldCoder Will you allow the answer or not? 12:21 OldCoder Not to allow it 12:21 OldCoder is cowardice 12:21 Jordach OldCoder, https://jordach.net/JD_2014_sql_logs.zip 12:21 OldCoder Will you allow the answer? 12:21 OldCoder You asked me 12:21 sfan5 answer whatever you want 12:21 OldCoder Jordach, Hm? 12:21 OldCoder Fine 12:21 OldCoder Shara asked me to help 12:21 OldCoder I do not know who or what she is 12:21 Jordach one giantic zipball of history almost lost 12:21 OldCoder Jordach, thanks 12:21 OldCoder I am responding to sfan5 12:21 OldCoder Who is being polite 12:21 Jordach it also contains dialog between me and RBA 12:21 OldCoder This is a nice change of pace 12:21 OldCoder Fine 12:21 OldCoder What was his relationship to Landmine? 12:22 OldCoder Was he the older man 12:22 Jordach no idea 12:22 OldCoder Who Jeija, I think, spoke of? 12:22 OldCoder Jeija - I think it was him 12:22 OldCoder Said that there were two men 12:22 OldCoder One older, one younger 12:22 OldCoder The younger was Landmine 12:22 OldCoder You 12:22 OldCoder As well as MarkV 12:22 OldCoder and Octupus 12:22 sfan5 you know 12:22 OldCoder I do not *know* 12:22 sfan5 have you considered getting into a retirement home yet? 12:22 OldCoder that the older man was you or Maciek 12:23 OldCoder sfan5, now you are trolling 12:23 OldCoder Thanks 12:23 sfan5 you keep repeating this incoherent accusations of random people being the same 12:23 OldCoder Incoherent? 12:23 OldCoder The b*tches in the troll group 12:23 OldCoder ramble on 12:23 sfan5 none of which have any kind of truth 12:23 OldCoder about how I am a liar 12:23 Fuchs you know, this all would probably end better if you all just ignored each other, 12:23 OldCoder Every statement 12:23 Fuchs given there seems to be just throwing shit at each other 12:23 OldCoder Fuchs, that is fair. I can't help responding. 12:23 OldCoder I am trying to take it to a website. But I respect sfan5. 12:23 Jordach i've stayed neutral for an eternity 12:24 sfan5 Fuchs: a little trolling is healthy i believe 12:24 Fuchs sfan5: yeah, don't 12:24 OldCoder Jordach, you have lived for an eternity 12:24 Fuchs OldCoder: yes, I've seen that, and I told you what I think about releasing real names there without consent 12:24 OldCoder Fuchs, he is the only one of the current trolls who I respect 12:24 OldCoder Fuchs, I have not released a single name 12:24 OldCoder Not ONE 12:24 Fuchs so currently I really recommend that people just stop with the poking and yelling at each other 12:24 OldCoder That was not on the profiles 12:24 OldCoder So, respectfully 12:24 OldCoder What are you talking about? 12:24 Fuchs OldCoder: it was unwanted and you were told so, and refused to take them down 12:25 OldCoder Fuchs, this is not Freenode business, is it? Am I in violation of a single rule? 12:25 OldCoder I discussed this with kline 12:25 Fuchs anyway, this bickering has to stop a bit, so I kindly ask you all to just ignore each other if otherwise you can't manage to be polite, decent human beings. 12:25 OldCoder Fuchs, I agree with that 12:25 Fuchs OldCoder: yes, you told me, and I replied to you 12:25 Fuchs good 12:25 Fuchs then I don't want to see any more of that, from either side. 12:25 OldCoder Fine 12:25 OldCoder Fuchs, this is now solely my channel. I don't want to kick or devoice people. 12:26 OldCoder I will ask you 12:26 OldCoder Should I or should I not do so 12:26 OldCoder I love this channel 12:26 OldCoder What it was made for 12:26 Fuchs as long as it is your channel, you are free to run it as you see fit, within our network rules (that are very few) 12:26 OldCoder I will be called bully for devoicing 12:26 OldCoder But I agree 12:26 Fuchs so if you prefer to kick people out, you can do so 12:26 OldCoder It is better than what has happened 12:26 Fuchs I wouldn't say it's the catalyst approach that we suggest 12:26 OldCoder Hm? 12:27 OldCoder Can you reword that? 12:27 Fuchs but then in the end we leave the channel operators the freedom to run their channels 12:27 OldCoder So, actually, I could allow fights 12:27 OldCoder But you dislike them 12:27 OldCoder and so do I 12:27 OldCoder Is that about it? 12:27 OldCoder And as you are assessing the situation 12:27 OldCoder I should probably 12:27 OldCoder RobbieF, ! 12:27 OldCoder RobbieF is actually nice :-) 12:27 OldCoder RobbieF, what is up? 12:27 Fuchs we (freenode) don't think that kicks or bans are a good solution in many cases, where talking to people respectfully would help. Kicking or banning can raise the channel temperature. However, we leave channel operators the right to run the channel as they see fit, we do not have restrictions there. 12:27 RobbieF Hi OldCoder 12:28 OldCoder Fuchs, but you have talked sternly about fights 12:28 OldCoder I will deal with the issue and be objective 12:28 OldCoder Is this acceptable? 12:28 OldCoder Fuchs, I think we have talked in years past 12:28 OldCoder You know that I respect the structure 12:28 OldCoder And try to do what is right 12:28 Fuchs memory and logs say no, the former might be wrong, the latter usually not 12:28 OldCoder To close the subject, off-Freenode, I will do what you think is very very wrong 12:28 OldCoder I will not discuss it at Freenode 12:29 OldCoder Or involve Freenode unless you wish to PM about it 12:29 Fuchs yes. Please refrain from publishing real names if people kindly ask you to, and don't reply to provocations. Then this should be all fine. 12:29 Fuchs freenode. We spell ourselves freenode. 12:29 OldCoder I will publish real names. Off Freenode. 12:29 OldCoder I will discuss it with admins if they wish 12:29 OldCoder But it is not freenode business 12:29 Fuchs and the other side should refrain from provocations as well. Then this would be all fine, and people could talk like adults 12:29 OldCoder 12:29 OldCoder Fuchs, I have offered a settlement 12:29 OldCoder I will apologize for things 12:29 Fuchs OldCoder: see, then we will see this as harassment, and if it goes on, take appropriate action. 12:29 OldCoder I will stand down on things 12:30 OldCoder Fuchs, kline said you do not assume authority 12:30 OldCoder for off-Freenode sites 12:30 OldCoder I stand on that 12:30 OldCoder Will you go against this 12:30 Jordach OldCoder, might be time to sit down and repent 12:30 OldCoder principle? 12:30 Fuchs we do not, but as the harassment is clearly taken to freenode, it becomes our concern. 12:30 OldCoder Jordach, I have offered... 12:30 OldCoder Fuchs, I am promising never to do that 12:30 Jordach OldCoder, is this the person God would've wanted? 12:30 OldCoder In my world, I will proceed as I deem appropriate 12:30 OldCoder Jordach, I will ask that of each of the people who has tried to destroy this channel 12:31 Fuchs then in ours, which is freenode, we will proceed as we deem appropriate. 12:31 OldCoder Fuchs, one more time - do you assert authority over off-freenode matters? kline (the op) says no 12:31 OldCoder Which is it, please? 12:31 Fuchs this is not the first time we are in this situation with you, and thus if this continues, I consider this indeed a freenode issue 12:31 OldCoder That is dodging the issue 12:31 Fuchs OldCoder: it depends on the case 12:31 Fuchs OldCoder: if a user persistantly creates issues within the FOSS communities we foster, it is a freenode issue 12:32 Fuchs and as per that I'd take action 12:32 OldCoder Fuchs, if I am klined after 5 years of service, freenode will not pay... 12:32 OldCoder Creates issues :D 12:32 sfan5 muhhhh 5 years of service 12:32 OldCoder I am the one attacked and trolled 12:32 OldCoder sfan5, hush 12:32 Fuchs there is no right to use freenode, it's a free service offered by volunteers 12:32 sfan5 kys 12:32 Fuchs if we decide to remove people from that service, it is our right to do so 12:32 OldCoder Fuchs, I will not stand down. And yes to your point. I will offer settlement. 12:32 Fuchs lovely 12:32 OldCoder Yes, but it is hypocritical 12:32 OldCoder I will offer settlement 12:32 OldCoder I have already done so 12:32 Jordach OldCoder, i've been watching this unfold 12:32 OldCoder I want the attacks on this channel unfolds 12:33 OldCoder Jordach, PM, please 12:33 Fuchs nah. We provide an environment to nurture free software development, this is at least the second case where people have to contact us due to harassment from your end, so as per that: 12:33 OldCoder This should be down to Fuchs and me, this channel is for other business 12:33 OldCoder The harassment is of me 12:33 Fuchs if this continues, I shall consider removing you from freenode indeed. 12:33 sfan5 Fuchs: how much do you wanna bet for that this ends with lawyers involved? 12:33 OldCoder Will you do nothing about it? 12:33 OldCoder Fuchs, seriously 12:33 sfan5 (sorry for trolling but its quite fun) 12:33 OldCoder Are you referring to the rock-star? 12:33 OldCoder He came to my network 12:33 OldCoder and talked about sex 12:33 OldCoder to 9 year olds 12:33 OldCoder Do I or do I not 12:33 OldCoder have a right to protect the kids? 12:34 OldCoder Must I say 12:34 OldCoder that I was klined 12:34 OldCoder for insisting 12:34 OldCoder That adults not discuss sex with children? 12:34 OldCoder Fuchs, that is a serious question 12:34 Fuchs I'm 100% sure this is bullshit 12:34 OldCoder No mockery at all 12:34 OldCoder Wish his name? 12:34 OldCoder That was the other case you mentioned 12:34 OldCoder If I am klined 12:34 Fuchs no, it was not 12:34 OldCoder I will not DDoS 12:34 OldCoder His friend 12:34 OldCoder was the Pale Moon person 12:34 OldCoder They did it together 12:35 OldCoder The 30 year old, I forget his name 12:35 Fuchs mhm 12:35 OldCoder He threatened to kill me 12:35 OldCoder In detail 12:35 OldCoder And you threaten to kline me? 12:35 Fuchs all I see from you are various baseless accusations 12:35 OldCoder And the baseless accusations against me? 12:35 OldCoder Where is your sympathy for that? 12:35 OldCoder If I am klined 12:35 OldCoder I will neither DDoS 12:35 OldCoder Nor sue (I think) 12:35 Fuchs no, I am telling you what the rules are, and that if I see more of this behaviour, I will k-line you. this is not a threat, this is simply enforcing our rules. 12:35 OldCoder I will talk to Church groups 12:35 Fuchs okay, enjoy. 12:36 OldCoder Your rules, according to kline (the op) do not apply to my writing about what these people are doing 12:36 OldCoder Off frreenode 12:36 OldCoder You can override that 12:36 OldCoder I understand and respect your *right* to do that 12:36 Fuchs See above, this is a per case matter, and I told you what I think about the current case. 12:36 OldCoder You have talked about prior harassment 12:36 OldCoder Let me defend myself 12:36 OldCoder What are you talking about? 12:36 OldCoder I know of only one case 12:36 OldCoder And that was the pair of men 12:37 OldCoder Who talked sex to 9 year olds 12:37 OldCoder "Baseless" ? I've got the logs somewhere 12:37 OldCoder You have made up your mind 12:37 Fuchs mhm 12:37 OldCoder I want to speak with kline and the others 12:37 OldCoder Who was it? 12:37 OldCoder 30 year old - Matt Tobin (name is not secret) 12:37 OldCoder And the rock star 12:37 OldCoder (I will keep his name private for now) 12:37 OldCoder Not a very big rock star, to be clear 12:38 OldCoder Matt Tobin threatened to kill me 12:38 Fuchs okay, apparently you do not listen to me, so let me be clear: 12:38 OldCoder That is a felony 12:38 OldCoder Go on 12:38 Fuchs if I see any more of this, with regards to minetest or others, 12:38 OldCoder Of *what* ?? 12:38 Fuchs be it on freenode or on one of your websites 12:38 Fuchs I will remove you from the network 12:38 Fuchs this includes disclosing real names and accusations 12:38 OldCoder Fuchs, do I have a right to appeal to the others? 12:38 OldCoder sfan5, tell the others 12:38 OldCoder That after this happens 12:38 sfan5 wat 12:38 Fuchs feel free to, I would be surprised if you got a different reply from my colleagues, mind. 12:38 OldCoder It will never end 12:39 sfan5 ^ above line translated "I will continue to harass all of you" 12:39 OldCoder kline seemed more reasonable, Fuchs. I am accused and you will not let me defend myself. 12:39 OldCoder I will PM him. And see if he will back my position or not. 12:39 Fuchs feel free to. 12:39 OldCoder Subsequently, we will reach final conclusions 12:39 sfan5 "This person does not share my opinion, they must be unreasonable." 12:39 Jordach OldCoder, have you considered that making a fuss everywhere has made more problems than not? 12:39 OldCoder Jordach, it has to stop 12:39 OldCoder It really does 12:39 OldCoder It has to end 12:39 sfan5 you have to stop 12:40 Jordach OldCoder, i'm trying to be neutral 12:40 OldCoder sfan5, I am doing nothing 12:40 OldCoder If I am removed from freenode, that will change 12:40 OldCoder I have spent 5 years 12:40 OldCoder Fighting IRL 12:40 sfan5 muhhhh 5 years of service 12:40 OldCoder It will be just an extra chapter 12:40 OldCoder sfan5, is this really the time to mock me? 12:40 OldCoder Seriously? 12:40 sfan5 yes 12:40 OldCoder Fine 12:40 OldCoder Mock away 12:41 OldCoder Fuchs, you have said prior accusation. I will notify who it is possible to notify that you klined me for chasing away child sex predators 12:41 OldCoder And I will identify them 12:42 Jordach OldCoder, from my experience: you can't stop them -- the worst ones are at Government level 12:42 Fuchs as said, we both know that this is bullshit, so feel free to threaten. 12:42 Fuchs it obviously doesn't help your case. 12:43 OldCoder Fuchs, what is bullsh*t ? You say there are accusations against me. You will not name the accusers. Provide email address and I will send you the 20-page report I filed on the issue. 12:43 OldCoder Will that do? 12:43 OldCoder Or must I document that you refused to read it 12:43 OldCoder And accepted accusations against 12:43 OldCoder me 12:43 Fuchs I think I made it clear what I expect from both sides 12:43 OldCoder When I had filed a very very detailed report with multiple entities 12:44 Fuchs if I don't see that happening, I also made clear what actions I will take 12:44 Fuchs so I'll leave the rest up to you. 12:44 OldCoder Fuchs, do you wish the 20 page report or not? 12:44 OldCoder Or must I 12:44 Fuchs no thanks. 12:44 OldCoder Then will you 12:44 OldCoder deprecate the prior accusations or not? 12:44 OldCoder As you refuse to review? 12:44 OldCoder Your answer will be documented 12:44 OldCoder Respectfully 12:44 OldCoder It is a long document 12:44 OldCoder That will go to 12:45 OldCoder every Church possible 12:45 OldCoder as well as 12:45 OldCoder every entity interested in 12:45 OldCoder sexual harassment of children 12:45 OldCoder on Freenode 12:45 OldCoder Sorry 12:45 OldCoder freenode 12:45 OldCoder "freenode admin klines member of 5 years because child sex predator made accusations of harassment" 12:46 OldCoder If you count the prior accusation, Fuchs, it is true 12:46 sfan5 the salt is real 12:46 Fuchs I have zero interest in a documenation you made up and that has zero reproducabilty, we are aware of what happend back then and that this is bullshit. I kindly ask you to stop harassing and accusing people to your left and right, because that is not wanted on freenode. 12:46 OldCoder Fuchs, I did not harass Matt Tobin. Do I not have the right to a hearing on that issue? 12:46 Fuchs I made this clear and I don't want to have to say it again, so if I see more of this behaviour, in order to protect our communities we foster, I will remove you from the network, period. 12:46 OldCoder The supposedly made up document 12:47 OldCoder Has been through multiple attorneys 12:47 OldCoder About six of them 12:47 OldCoder I am no disgruntled child, Fuchs 12:47 sfan5 he doesn't get it does he 12:47 OldCoder Remove me 12:47 sfan5 you're acting like one though 12:47 OldCoder and it will be at least embarrasing 12:47 OldCoder sfan5, please, can it not rest at least briefly? 12:47 OldCoder Fuchs, I am doing what I can do here 12:47 sfan5 no, trolling is fun as you can see 12:47 Fuchs it can, if you drop it and leave people be 12:47 Fuchs sfan5: and you drop it as well 12:47 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:47 OldCoder I want the prior accusation removed. Or I want to defend myself. Is neither acceptable? 12:47 OldCoder Fuchs, ^ 12:48 Fuchs OldCoder: no. 12:48 OldCoder Matt Tobin sexually harassed children 12:48 OldCoder The supposedly made up document 12:48 OldCoder Has been through more attorneys than usually are involved 12:48 OldCoder A rock star was part of this 12:48 RobbieF heh 12:49 * RobbieF sets down his popcorn. 12:50 * Jordach knows something about what OC is trying to do 12:51 Jordach by know i mean something far worse 12:51 Fuchs I think you all should let him be as well. 12:51 nore Jordach: what is he about to do, do you think? 12:51 Fuchs he has a break now, so take a break from it as well, please. 12:51 Jordach "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" 12:52 Fuchs and instead concentrate on doing great FOSS :) 12:52 ircSparky +1 ^ 12:53 sfan5 I'm pretty sure he'll not have a break and instead attempt to do something again 12:53 Fuchs not on freenode. 12:53 sfan5 correct 12:53 Fuchs as for off-freenode I'm afraid there is only so much we can do, so there the usual recommendation is to contact law enforcement if any laws are broken. 12:54 sfan5 dude 12:54 Fuchs as said, I recommend to give it a break now 12:54 Fuchs to let things calm down 12:56 nore +1 12:56 Jordach i will, it just seems i have to solve things 13:02 ircSparky How long do you plan on having the k-line last, Fuchs? 13:03 Fuchs ircSparky: hi, I'm afraid we do not discuss k-line details with third parties, sorry 13:03 ircSparky OK, thanks 13:03 sfan5 as long as necessary which might be a very long time i'm guessing 13:11 RobbieF So... everyone have a nice weekend? Long weekend here in Canada so today is my first day back. 13:12 RobbieF And speaking of GREAT FOSS - I had a chance this rainy long weekend to polish off and release NEMS 1.2.1! http://baldnerd.com/nems if you're interested... a pre-built Nagios deploy for Raspberry Pi! 13:13 sfan5 Enterprise and Raspberry Pi are words that don't fit together in my mind 13:13 sfan5 but sounds interesting 13:22 est31 so many people working on gsoc this year: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/?sp-search=Terasology 13:22 est31 for terasology 13:26 RobbieF sfan5, read the "Why NEMS" section. 13:26 RobbieF and because our migrator script automatically backs up the entire config, the worst case scenario is that you have to re-burn an SD card and import your config (takes < 5 minutes) 14:17 sfan5 Fuchs: you might have to consider contacting law enforcement yourself seeing what he wrote on his website: https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/screencapture-minetest-org-1495548627084.jpg (screencap of minetest.org) 14:17 sfan5 sixth/seventh line in the first paragraph 16:24 garywhite sfan5: You do realize that he can read the logs... 16:24 sfan5 I do, is this a problem? 16:41 Hijiri garywhite: he's listed as a founder 16:42 garywhite But (I just found out) he was K-Lined 16:42 Fuchs yes, k-lines do not affect channel ownership 16:44 garywhite ah 17:08 garywhite welcome dax, losif 17:12 sfan5 how'd that happen? 17:12 garywhite if he uses a browser like Opera, they have VPNs built in 17:13 garywhite if I ever got k-lined, & I really wanted to get back in, then I could probably get back in a solid 8-10 times before I'd be out of options 17:14 Shara Don't even know if voice is still needed here but 17:14 * Shara shurgs 17:14 dax it is 17:14 Shara :) 17:14 Shara Hi and welcome, then 17:16 garywhite losif wasn't OC, it was red-001, my mistake 17:19 RobbieF Shara, "shurgs" isn't a word, dummo. 17:19 Shara I totally reserve my right to speak absolute and utter nonsense from time to time :) 17:20 sfan5 o.O 17:20 Shara sfan5? 17:20 sfan5 was wondering about something else 17:20 Shara Well not I'm intrigued! 17:20 Shara now* 21:02 RobbieF have a nice evening all