Time Nick Message 00:01 * benrob0329 makes a Windows 10 recovery drive before installing Antergos on his new laptop 00:01 Calinou I didn't make a recovery drive when dual booting on my laptop 00:01 Calinou YOLO, as we say 00:01 Calinou but I managed to keep the recovery partition 00:02 benrob0329 If something doesn't work I want the warrenty to be happy 00:45 Sokomine hmm. i'm trying to get my handle_schematics mod to indicate to the player how to "build" a saved schematic manually. trouble is: if there are nodes in the air, how to indicate that these nodes ought to go? 00:46 Sokomine i've placed a digging-indicator (inverted pick colored red) on top, but there still needs to be information on how far the player ought to dig down. any ideas? 02:24 benrob0329 wadup, im now rockin Antergos on me new laptop :D 02:24 benrob0329 and hexchat works pretty well it'd seem 04:21 benrob0329 are there any coding practices i should be doing that im not? https://github.com/benrob0329/tardis 05:08 OldCoder benrob0329, see other channel 05:38 octacian Night all! 07:56 VanessaE moening, est31 07:57 VanessaE morning, too. 08:12 OldCoder 08:13 lordfingle o/ 08:15 VanessaE hi 08:16 OldCoder lordfingle, give us a jingle 08:16 lordfingle Well I have a little song and it won't take long 08:18 OldCoder The song is where we belong 08:19 lordfingle I'd like to teach the world to sing 08:19 lordfingle In perfect harmony 08:19 lordfingle I'd like to hold it in my arms 08:19 lordfingle And keep it company 08:19 OldCoder Showing your age, fingle, but it is a genuine jingle 08:20 OldCoder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKws8A-jdww 08:21 lordfingle oh dear...I was only 1 year old then 08:21 OldCoder Time flies then we dies 08:21 OldCoder No matter whats we tries 08:22 lordfingle When I die and they lay me to rest 08:22 lordfingle Gonna go to the place that's the best - 08:22 lordfingle When I lay me down to die 08:22 lordfingle Goin' up to the spirit in the sky 08:22 lordfingle That's where I'm gonna go when I die 08:22 lordfingle When I die and they lay me to rest 08:22 lordfingle Gonna go to the place that's the best 08:23 OldCoder Spirit in the Sky? 08:23 OldCoder We should make a MT Heaven 08:23 lordfingle He's gonna recommend you 08:23 lordfingle To the spirit in the sky 08:24 lordfingle MT is heaven, a blocky heaven 08:24 lordfingle And for you guys (except VanessaE and me) a pixelized one 08:27 lordfingle When I die and they upload me to minetest 08:27 lordfingle Gonna go to the place that's the best 08:27 lordfingle When I lay me down to die 08:27 lordfingle Goin' up to the server in the sky 08:27 VanessaE "server in the sky"....so, the cloud then? :P 08:28 lordfingle "Somewhere, over the the Skybox" 08:30 lordfingle hi tenplus1, welcome to the cloud 08:30 tenplus1 hi fingle 08:30 OldCoder in the cloud all is allowed 08:30 tenplus1 lol 08:31 * tenplus1 pee's in the cloud, makes yellow rain 08:31 OldCoder Hm 08:31 lordfingle oh, real classy 08:31 * OldCoder is hearing Purple Rain now 08:31 OldCoder But yellow 08:31 tenplus1 hah 08:31 lordfingle my snow biome is all stained now 08:32 * tenplus1 writes name in snow with yellow particles 08:32 lordfingle "someone left my bread out in the rain..." 08:33 lordfingle tenplus1 must be Canadian... 08:33 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/2aa39a0c-breaking-news.jpg 08:34 lordfingle ahem 08:35 Calinou https://i.redd.it/yg3fb7og5joy.png 08:35 Calinou Minetest mod debugging in a nutshell 08:35 tenplus1 hi cal 08:35 Calinou hi 08:36 lordfingle o/ 08:51 VanessaE ok I just fell in love with `xdotool`. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24286827/ 08:52 Shara Morning all 08:52 tenplus1 hi Shara 08:52 Shara Hi Ten 08:52 tenplus1 hows things 08:52 Shara Not bad at all 08:52 VanessaE hi Shara 08:52 Shara How about for you? 08:52 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 08:53 VanessaE hi tenplus1 08:53 tenplus1 not long woken up :P *sips coffee* 08:53 Shara Hi VanessaE 08:58 Calinou VanessaE: best tool for cheating at Cookie Clicker :) 08:59 tenplus1 been checking out the 'underworlds' mod Shara, looks pretty good if you want huuuuuuuge realms in map... still prefer caverealms_lite tho :D 09:00 Shara I liked the look of that mod too, but from the screenshots it seemed like a bit less content overall. Might be wrong. 09:01 VanessaE now if only Minetest didn't stretch the sides of the window when it's super-wide 09:01 tenplus1 certain levels have huge terrains of ice biome, lava biome, copper towers, poisoned swamp etc... 09:11 Shara I'll have to test it out when I have more time 09:27 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139 09:28 DI3HARD139 Hello 09:28 tenplus1 do you have voice on TPS_SkyBlock ? 09:30 DI3HARD139 on #thepixelshadow no. Not sure about the server itself though 09:31 tenplus1 latest xpanes dont seem to work with skyblock challenge, nodename change needed... 10:59 tenplus1 hi Fixer 11:14 OldCoder 11:15 OldCoder https://minetest.org/ updated to add maps. If you'd like a zoomable map of your world included, provide a zipped map.sqlite file. 11:15 OldCoder 12:27 tenplus1 hi fingle 12:39 lordfingle hi tenplus1 12:41 tenplus1 it's weird how so many packages are installed in linux that aren't used/needed 12:41 tenplus1 hi Jordach 12:42 CWz I can confirm that minetest "works" on windows 98SE using KernalEx 12:42 tenplus1 hi nathan 12:42 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 12:43 CWz https://postimg.org/image/lp70uxkkp/ 12:43 lordfingle Windows 98SE.... 12:43 lordfingle wow 12:43 tenplus1 lol, I may still have an original install cd for that fingle :P 12:43 tenplus1 and win95 osr/2 12:44 lordfingle I think it can even run under emulation on Android... 12:44 tenplus1 hah 12:44 tenplus1 running doom on your mobile :D 12:44 tenplus1 hi robbie 12:45 tenplus1 pushed a pull for your skyblock mod rob 12:45 tenplus1 fixes the iron bar issue 12:45 * CWz fears an influx of Win98 MTServers 12:46 tenplus1 hi CWz 12:46 CWz hey 12:46 tenplus1 that woudl be so funny if it worked tho CWz :P 12:47 RobbieF hi tenplus1 - awesome, thank you!!! So it really was an issue then? 12:47 CWz server mode actually works fine as far as i could tell 12:47 Jordach >my irc client calls minetest-project minetest-pro 12:47 RobbieF Hey CWz 12:47 tenplus1 yeah, latest changes to xpanes messed with node names 12:48 CWz minetest for Proes 12:49 RobbieF Thanks so much for that tenplus1! 12:49 CWz Promium minetest, now with 80% less nubs 12:49 tenplus1 that's why I'm going through all of the tasks robbie :) if they can be done then all is well :D 12:51 tenplus1 also manglefox put a sign showing players the way to my base :) so I added another sign as a diversion... ehehehehe 12:57 tenplus1 also, I cannot chat on that server ? is there something I need to agree to 13:03 tenplus1 wb lumidify 13:03 lumidify Hi tenplus1 13:04 * Jordach hallucinated again 13:04 tenplus1 gotta lay of those shrooms dude 13:04 * Jordach saw an OldCoder in chat 13:07 tenplus1 hi xtreme 13:08 Fixer CWz: very good 13:08 tenplus1 RobbieF: yes it did, quest worked fine :) continuing with the rest... still cant chat in channel 13:08 RobbieF :D Great! Thanks! 13:08 RobbieF can't chat in channel? 13:08 RobbieF how come? 13:08 tenplus1 nothing appears when I type 13:08 RobbieF weird! 13:12 tenplus1 need to borrow 1 sand from someone 13:27 RobbieF Tenplus1 how does one open the craft guide on that server? 13:27 tenplus1 use it in hand 13:27 tenplus1 like a tool 13:27 RobbieF thanks 13:28 tenplus1 seems that it all works, fifaplayer just completed all tasks :D 13:29 RobbieF we need MORE levels!!! like, pronto! 13:29 tenplus1 ehehehe 13:30 tenplus1 ahh, you put walking torches in game 13:30 tenplus1 nice effect but laggy :P ehehe 13:31 RobbieF is it really laggy tenplus1, or are you just being a wuss? 13:31 RobbieF ;) 13:31 tenplus1 lol 13:31 RobbieF isn't it worth it? I mean, you can put it away! 13:32 RobbieF (if you don't have enough RAM) 13:32 RobbieF :p 13:32 tenplus1 what happened to game ? 13:32 tenplus1 did you shut down ? 13:32 RobbieF Gah, another crash 13:32 tenplus1 damn, lemmie see 13:32 RobbieF craftitems.lua:18: attempt to call method 'get_meta' (a nil value) 13:33 RobbieF in default 13:33 RobbieF GAH 13:33 RobbieF means I need to update core eh? 13:33 tenplus1 checking 13:33 RobbieF -- tenplus1 quickly back to the craft guide: how does one obtain the "tool"? 13:33 tenplus1 make a book, place book in crafting = crafting guide 13:34 tenplus1 someone opened a book, that's why it crashed 13:34 RobbieF Bahahaha, you have to CRAFT the CRAFTING GUIDE?! 13:34 RobbieF Bahahahahahahaaha 13:34 RobbieF really? 13:34 RobbieF okay... what do I do? 13:35 tenplus1 did you update engine to latest ? 13:36 tenplus1 book code looks old, might have to edit in the new one 13:36 tenplus1 or for now we can have it as an item only with no writing 13:37 RobbieF where's the book code? Can I update it? 13:37 RobbieF or is that part of core? 13:37 tenplus1 ah wait, seems that the default/craftitems.lua is already using latest book code 13:38 tenplus1 you MAY need to update engine to handle new commands 13:38 tenplus1 or disable book writing 13:38 tenplus1 your choice ? 13:38 RobbieF that's my thought... 13:38 RobbieF update engine 13:38 RobbieF crap 13:38 RobbieF lol 13:38 tenplus1 sucks huh 13:38 RobbieF just means taking a LOT of servers offline. 13:38 tenplus1 wanna disable book writing for now ? 13:38 RobbieF Not particularly. 13:38 RobbieF :( 13:39 RobbieF I think we'll just have to live with this bug for a day and I'll set some time aside on the weekend to rebuild... hopefully after-hours. 13:39 RobbieF Actually I have an idea... 13:39 tenplus1 ? 13:39 RobbieF I can rework my script to automatically rebuild the engine during tonight's backup. 13:39 RobbieF yeah; that'll do nicely. 13:39 tenplus1 ahh kewl :) just let players know NOT to use books in the meantime 13:40 RobbieF k thanks man 13:41 tenplus1 what version mt are you using on servver just now ? 0.4.15 stable ? 13:49 RobbieF 0.4.15-dev 13:49 tenplus1 heh 13:49 RobbieF but it hasn't been recompiled in a month or 6 weeks 13:50 tenplus1 so many changes 14:02 tenplus1 hi Brackston 14:03 Brackston Hi tenplus1 14:19 tenplus1 hi ben 14:20 benrob0329 Hi ten 14:23 benrob0329 Is it normal for an ungrounded laptop to make speaker noise when accessing the ssd? 14:23 tenplus1 hi octacian 14:24 benrob0329 I'm assuming its because the speakers are probably the only roubt in a laptop for the ground 14:24 octacian hello tenplus1 14:24 benrob0329 Hi octacian 14:24 octacian hey benrob0329 14:49 benrob0329 Dang ssl errors 14:50 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/JiZOxUhQj10 15:19 tenplus1 hi twoelk 15:20 twoelk hi 15:21 tenplus1 hi Grandolf 15:22 Grandolf hi tenplus1 15:39 Fixer narrator in minecraft, kek 15:41 RobbieF tenplus1 if I didn't know any better I'd think you were enjoying yourself! 15:42 tenplus1 I wanna complete the task guides 15:42 tenplus1 then i can test further if you add anumore 15:43 RobbieF :D 15:43 RobbieF do you know how to make levels? :p 15:45 Jordach benrob0329, mmmmm MT-32 15:45 Jordach 8bitkeys made mention of it 15:46 tenplus1 not yet... will look into that when I complete it 15:46 benrob0329 Indeed @Jordach 15:47 benrob0329 I've got a midi capable keyboard that can be used eith ScumVM actually 15:47 twoelk hm, so while I update firefox minetest keeps timing out :-( seems this connection is not the best 15:47 twoelk midi control minetest? 15:48 Jordach problem is 15:48 Jordach minetest needs a better music system than ogg 15:49 Jordach *cough, modtracker, cough midi* 15:49 twoelk now if we let notes be interpretted as movement - an avatar might dance to some music 15:53 benrob0329 Welp, everything works out of the box on this laptop 15:53 benrob0329 And I'm pretty happy with Antergos 15:53 tenplus1 RobbieF: completed!!!! 15:54 benrob0329 Even have all my files encrypted on install :P 15:55 tenplus1 mod/x3m support.... files are tiny, editors are plenty, it's easy to make music and servers would benefit from tunage :) 15:55 RobbieF tenplus1 WE NEED MORE LEVELS!!!! Please help! :) 15:55 RobbieF We need 20 levels 15:56 tenplus1 lol 15:56 RobbieF I'm not joking 15:56 RobbieF if you know how, I will love you forever when I get that PR :D 15:56 RobbieF hehe 15:56 RobbieF I already do. But still! 15:57 tenplus1 we get given mese and diamond as a reward so level4 could be placing 4x diamond blocks, 4x mese blocks, 4x copper blocks, etc... high end stuff for good rewards 15:59 * twoelk wonders what game this is 16:01 Sokomine oh. where's that pr about the dye chages? it used to be a problem before to get enough of them. now... 16:02 tenplus1 twoelk: TPS SkyBlock 16:14 benrob0329 Mobile irc clients are...interesting 16:22 tenplus1 hi Krock 16:22 Krock hello tenplus1 16:22 Krock I could've been faster. Started too late with typing :< 16:22 tenplus1 heh 16:23 twoelk hm, my client seems to have frozen on connect attempt 16:24 twoelk how much media does tps-skyblock send? 16:25 RobbieF Could you all please give a "Thumbs Up" to this video to help Xanadu get featured? We only need 40 more likes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaSYynSxAuY 16:25 twoelk can new players connect to Xanadu again? 16:26 tenplus1 wait, will open border 16:26 tenplus1 done 16:29 twoelk sounds like Xanadu has a Trump mod. :-P 16:29 tenplus1 ehehe 16:32 tenplus1 gives us a choice when server under attack from trolls 16:33 twoelk like Trump has when under attack from foreign muslims :O 16:35 red-004[IRC] does someone have an example of how to use add_particle? 16:46 Krock red-001, one example: https://github.com/stujones11/shooter/blob/master/shooter.lua#L265 16:47 red-001 thanks 16:47 sofar github search is useless :( 16:47 sofar there's no way to search all code under /minetest-mods 16:53 Krock if you are a real minetester, you can grep through mods/ and games/ and get at least 666 results 16:55 tenplus1 ehehe 16:59 red-001 ok nice I got particles working in csm 17:02 Grandolf lol 17:04 red-001 now time to add particlespanwers 17:16 * Jordach gets gud at Battlefield 1 17:18 * tenplus1 blows up Jordach 17:19 nanovad Jordach: https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtdtckQKDQWAet2/source.gif 17:36 * Sokomine takes the tnt away from tenplus1 17:37 Fixer Krock: hi, I need a msvc debug build again, newest, to investigate fps drop bug 17:37 Krock ok 17:37 tenplus1 :P 17:37 * tenplus1 feels that moreores should be included in mtg by default 17:38 Krock pull... 17:38 Krock building... 17:38 Fixer that will help 17:38 Fixer will profile during OK fps, and NOT OK, will see what is different 17:39 Krock Fixer, are debug builds playable on your machine? 17:39 Fixer Krock: yes 17:39 Krock in other words: how many fps do you get in average? 17:39 Fixer above 20 iirc, maybe even above 60 17:40 Krock wow. must be a strong CPU 17:40 tenplus1 am getting better fps now that I'm on lubuntu 17.04 17:40 Krock Fixer, using LuaJIT or doesn't matter? 17:41 Fixer Krock: does not matter, i connect to mp server 17:41 VanessaE tenplus1: you'll need to convince paramat and to a lesser extent, sofar 17:41 VanessaE (about moreores) 17:41 Fixer why do you need moreores? 17:42 tenplus1 most servers alrady have them installed... it adds variety to the game while underground (it's kinda bland down there) 17:42 Fixer what you gonna do with ores? 17:42 Fixer so you mine them... and? 17:42 Fixer add another X sets of tools, to make it even more confusing? 17:42 tenplus1 moreores already adds tools for each ore... 3d_armor already adds armor for each armor... many uses 17:43 tenplus1 not confusing, more variety... 17:43 sofar more tools is a problem 17:43 Fixer tenplus1: but then you need to redefine tools properties 17:43 sofar there are too many tools around anyway 17:43 VanessaE fuck the tools 17:43 Fixer yes, too many tools 17:43 VanessaE mt_game doesn't need that 17:43 VanessaE just the base ores 17:44 Fixer tenplus1: i see it differently, when mtg will have automation going in -> employ moreores 17:44 Fixer moreores will be good for automation machines 17:44 Fixer sofar: what is special about bronze tools? 17:45 tenplus1 ? I like the moreore tools, they give different stats and uses 17:45 Fixer only user I seen with bronze was maikerumine 17:45 Fixer let me look into code 17:45 Fixer tenplus1: we already have wood/stone/steel/diamond/mese tools, Karl 17:46 Fixer and bronzew 17:46 Fixer ---- ---- 17:46 Fixer 6 sets of tools 17:46 Fixer yet no ------- coloured clay for me & kids 17:47 tenplus1 I like having copper+tin = bronze... I like using silver for special items (mob killing tools) and having mithril super rare for special items also 17:47 tenplus1 bakedclay is there for use, even adds 4 new plants for dye's not in game 17:47 Fixer tenplus1: you will end up with like 10 sets of tools and everyone is just confused 17:47 Fixer also 17:47 Fixer mithril 17:47 Fixer i had mithril tool and was WTF??? 17:47 Fixer it was kinda useless 17:48 Fixer also 17:48 Fixer Sokomine: 17:48 tenplus1 kids quickly learn which tools are good, which are faster/ longer lasting etc 17:52 Fixer tenplus1: still, 10 sets of tools is lame 17:52 Fixer tenplus1: when you don't even have ambience, mobs, etc etc 17:52 Fixer automations 17:52 tenplus1 ambiance should stay separate because it can be tailored per server for specific sounds 17:53 Krock Stupid upload connection. Aborts randomly. got to upload everything over FTP now <.< 17:53 Fixer Krock: FTP is life 17:53 Krock and dropbox is shit 17:53 Fixer Krock: your ISP is probably run by nuzies 17:53 Krock > 8.0 KiB/s 17:54 Fixer yep 17:54 tenplus1 nuzies ??? 17:54 Krock beaten by 90's modem 17:54 Fixer third reich regime 17:54 tenplus1 wb ben 17:55 * tenplus1 used to have an ftp server running at 56kb/s 17:57 Krock Fixer, build most likely uploaded in a minute 17:57 * Sokomine wants to advertise for https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1679 17:57 Fixer Krock: no need to rush 17:57 Fixer Sokomine: i wonder if it is your mod that has anvil with repair hammer... 17:58 Krock Fixer, http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/minetest_debug_170331_cc1ff26_0.7z (debug database included, for the case) 17:58 Fixer 14mb? 17:58 Amaz Sokomine: That would be awesome :) Fields full of that would really make MT beautiful :) 17:58 tenplus1 interesting 17:58 Krock yes 17:58 Krock 123 MiB unzipped 17:59 * Fixer tries to understand crumbly={maxlevel=2, uses=20, times={[1]=1.60, [2]=1.20, [3]=0.80}} 17:59 Krock ^ a riddle for everybody 18:00 Sokomine Fixer: hmm. yes. i was first oppsed to adding baked clay into mtg, but i'd like to change my mind. it's just too nice. there needs to be a better way of getting clay, too. it's also useful for brick. brick houses are rare due to the rarity of clay (which is very unrealistic) 18:00 * tenplus1 offers his mod for use 18:00 Sokomine moreorees ought to be installed on any server, even if the tools are usually less intresting. it's just good to have a bit more ores 18:00 Fixer Sokomine: anvil and hammer is your mod? 18:00 Fixer Krock: wth with this debug assertion crap? 18:01 Krock Fixer, déjà vu 18:01 Krock just ignore 18:01 Thomas-S May I ask, why, when "sudo make install"ing minetest, new files are installed but deleted ones aren't deleted in /usr/local/share/minetest ? 18:02 Sokomine fixer: it does. comes from cottages. also has a handmill and a thresing floor 18:02 Sokomine Amaz: they're very nice in rl :-) great to drive through/alongside them, with the fields stretching up to the forrest 18:02 Fixer Sokomine: i'm thinking about opening an issue about that, why? Anvil and hammer has too easy receipe, instead I want it to be full steel blocks for everything 18:03 Fixer Sokomine: right now it is too cheaty and easy 18:03 * Sokomine looks innocently at fixer 18:03 Fixer Krock: 70 fps in desert right now 18:04 Fixer after generation is done 18:04 Sokomine admittedly, making it full steel blocks is a valid argument.... 18:04 Krock neat. almost reaching 5 fps here 18:04 Sokomine the tools are powerful after all 18:04 Fixer 80 fps when looking at sky 18:04 Sokomine oh? my phone gets more than 5 fps? how comes, krock? 18:05 Krock Sokomine, speaking of debug builds without optimizations 18:05 Krock the regular, release build hits 60 fps here aswell 18:05 Sokomine krock: aah. ok 18:06 Sokomine btw, the issue with client-side mods (oredetect) and server crash has - according to the server owner - only happend on a windows build. on a machine where he can't run debug. on a linux build, no crash happend 18:06 Sokomine sadly, that is few information 18:07 Fixer Krock: about 80fps when idle in desert ._. 18:07 Sokomine fixer: it's even possible to fix the hammer with another hammer. on some worlds that's very useful. adventuretest is very hardcore...very very tricky to get hammer and anvil working there as even melting ore ingots is something you've got to learn 18:07 Amaz Yes, they are. I'm currently looking at a field from the window next to my desk now :) Having them in MT would be wonderful! 18:07 Sokomine on almost all other worlds, iron is not so tricky to come by 18:07 Fixer Sokomine: i propose disabling that 18:08 tenplus1 how about removing the (tool + tool = better tool) recipe and have (tool + tool ingot) = better tool 18:08 Krock why not both? 18:09 tenplus1 https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--DcGR4ovY--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/1238895886504840879.jpg 18:10 Sokomine tenplus1: that receipe would make more sense, yes 18:11 tenplus1 that way you can add ingots to repair the tool rather than wasting another tool 18:12 tenplus1 it's the little things that make the game better :) 18:16 Fixer Sokomine: https://github.com/Sokomine/cottages/issues/5 18:31 Sokomine fixer: hmm. you've definitely got a point there. maybe i ought to make it at lest configurable 18:51 Thomas-S I "created" a mod that replaces the existing nyan cats with MooGNUs. You can find it here: https://github.com/Thomas--S/moognu Thanks to tenplus1 for the textures! 18:52 tenplus1 :P 18:53 Sokomine there ought to be more such creatures populating the sky :-) vanessaes dog, a tux, an oerkki, ... 19:08 red-001 did someone create make a mod that creates more then 65,536 particle spawners or something? 19:31 Fixer Krock: thanks for debug build, that will help 19:31 Krock np 19:42 Fixer i will continue "bisecting" the bug /not quite bisecting/ 19:43 Fixer i feel like that bug is quite recent, and have few suspects 19:44 Fixer still waiting for this to finally turn to dirt: https://i.imgur.com/5lDCQZk.png 22:30 Fixer https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/7352626/24570991/9fc81536-167f-11e7-9011-aedfe417bacd.png 22:33 Calinou Minetest 3-D 22:36 Jordach looks like wolfenstien 22:37 Fixer Minetest: Back to the Roots 22:55 garywhite Guys is it possible to save builds from a server to a client? 22:56 Calinou garywhite: yes, using local map saving, you can save explored areas to a local world 22:57 garywhite How do I do that? My friend's server is going to have a map reset and me along with a couple players wanna save builds 22:58 OldCoder garywhite, it is a simple setting 22:58 OldCoder Moment 22:58 OldCoder enable_local_map_saving = true 22:58 OldCoder Remember to turn that off, garywhite, when done 22:59 OldCoder It goes in your client-side minetest.conf file 22:59 OldCoder Will fill up disk if you forget to turn it off 22:59 OldCoder You can also send me the map.sqlite file and I can extract builds for you 23:01 garywhite I don't have the SQLite, DI3 has it 23:01 OldCoder Grandolf, rubenwardy said his final term papers, I think, were due today 23:01 OldCoder He is fine 23:01 OldCoder garywhite, you can just add that setting, then 23:01 OldCoder enable_local_map_saving = true 23:01 OldCoder Put that in your minetest.conf file, then visit your builds 23:02 OldCoder Go to both the basement and the roof 23:02 OldCoder Then look in your minetest worlds folder 23:02 garywhite where is the conf file in the directory? 23:02 OldCoder Remember to restart minetest after making the configure change 23:02 OldCoder Are you using Windows or Linux? 23:02 garywhite windows 64 23:03 OldCoder You have a minetest folder, right? 23:03 garywhite yeah 23:03 OldCoder There should already be a minetest.conf file in it 23:03 OldCoder At the top 23:03 OldCoder Is there? 23:03 OldCoder If not, just download my win64 build and I'll talk you through this 23:04 OldCoder https://minetest.org/minetest-win64.zip 23:04 garywhite The file is there, but it has none 23:04 OldCoder You mean, the file is empty? 23:04 OldCoder garywhite, ^ 23:04 garywhite It has basic stuff 23:04 OldCoder That is fine 23:04 OldCoder Add the line that I stated at the bottom 23:04 OldCoder Save the file. Indicate when you are done. 23:05 OldCoder enable_local_map_saving = true 23:06 OldCoder Grandolf, I saw your message later, but I was asleep. PM later if you like. 23:06 garywhite done 23:06 OldCoder garywhite, restart minetest and visit the world 23:06 OldCoder Go visit your build(s). Need not be all at once. Just go in and take a look. 23:06 OldCoder Tell me when there 23:06 garywhite already logging in 23:07 garywhite logged in 23:07 OldCoder Go to build. There? 23:08 garywhite yeah, I just walked up through my parking garage 23:08 garywhite as a test 23:08 OldCoder garywhite, look in your minetest folder. Do you see a worlds folder? 23:09 garywhite yeah 23:09 OldCoder Look in that folder. What do you see? 23:09 garywhite A world called MTL 23:09 garywhite Which I created before 23:09 OldCoder Exit Minetest 23:09 OldCoder Tell me if you see any other subfolder after 23:10 garywhite Nope 23:11 OldCoder Minute while I try this myself 23:11 OldCoder Loading 23:12 OldCoder Works for me 23:12 OldCoder garywhite, wish to try my client? 23:12 OldCoder Or first 23:12 Fixer no 23:12 OldCoder can you paste exactly the line that you added? 23:12 Fixer you will not see captured world 23:12 OldCoder I see it 23:12 OldCoder I just tried it 23:12 Fixer let me stop both of you 23:12 OldCoder Um? 23:13 OldCoder I just tried it. It works. 23:13 garywhite I'm trying your client 23:13 OldCoder Fixer, feel free to explain 23:13 Fixer after world is captured it is saved as worlds/IPofServer, then you need to add files to it like world.mt to see it in minetest 23:13 OldCoder Yes 23:14 OldCoder But that is not what he is missing 23:14 Fixer map_meta.txt too 23:14 OldCoder We had not gotten to that stage 23:14 OldCoder garywhite, you looked physically in the worlds folder? 23:14 OldCoder Or just on the worlds tab? 23:14 garywhite Yeah, I went into the worlds folder of the directory 23:14 OldCoder Fixer is pointing out you will not see world on worlds tab 23:14 OldCoder Right, so something else is wrong 23:14 OldCoder garywhite, here is the minetest.conf file I used 23:14 Fixer yes, you need to check outside of minetest 23:14 garywhite What do I need to change in the conf file? (I'm using your build) 23:15 Fixer enable_local_map_saving = true 23:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest.conf 23:15 OldCoder Just add what Fixer said 23:15 OldCoder Copy paste 23:15 OldCoder If DI3 world does not appear, next test will be for Moontest. I just tested using that. 23:15 OldCoder If you are not certain of the paste 23:15 OldCoder you can use 23:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest.conf 23:16 garywhite your build doesn't even have MTgame 23:16 OldCoder ?? 23:16 OldCoder Moment 23:16 OldCoder My build has everything 23:16 OldCoder What folder are you in? 23:16 Fixer garywhite: you are capturing online world, or localhost one? %) 23:16 OldCoder Online 23:16 OldCoder A DI3 world 23:17 garywhite I'm in the client, & only minimal development shows up 23:17 OldCoder That looks correct; I'll fix it later 23:17 OldCoder Right now you just 23:17 OldCoder want capture to work 23:17 OldCoder Did you modify minetest.conf ? 23:17 garywhite Yeah, before I started the game 23:17 OldCoder Fine, you started this copy and are in the DI3 world ? 23:18 garywhite about to 23:18 OldCoder I just tested this exact program (well, the 32-bit version) using Moontest 23:18 OldCoder World was captured to server_minetest.org_30021 23:18 OldCoder In the worlds folder 23:18 OldCoder garywhite, visit DI3 world, exit Minetest, check the worlds folder, report 23:19 garywhite it's already in my worlds folder before I even joined 23:19 OldCoder What is? 23:19 garywhite The world folder 23:19 OldCoder What is *IN* the worlds folder? 23:19 garywhite a folder with the server address 23:19 garywhite as the name 23:19 OldCoder Something is wrong 23:19 OldCoder Are you mixing up 23:20 OldCoder the two copies of Minetest? 23:20 garywhite no, I'm using your build 23:20 OldCoder There was no world copy in the copy that you downloaded 23:20 OldCoder Do you follow? 23:20 OldCoder So, how did it get there? :-) 23:20 OldCoder Best to nail this down 23:20 OldCoder Have you mixed up the two copies of Minetest? 23:20 garywhite It was there almost as soon as I clicked connect 23:21 OldCoder Well THAT is expected 23:21 OldCoder So all is well 23:21 OldCoder Go visit your buildings 23:21 OldCoder Mapblocks are 16x16x16 so you don't need to be too precise 23:21 OldCoder Just wander about the properties you care about 23:21 OldCoder Including basements and roofs 23:22 OldCoder Fixer may need to sleep soon 23:22 Fixer yep 23:22 OldCoder Fixer, can you outline the process of getting the world fully into the GUI? 23:22 OldCoder I do this from the CLI only 23:22 Fixer it should be easy iirc 23:23 OldCoder He is missing minetest_game in that copy, easy to correct 23:23 OldCoder Basically, he can unpack any subgame in the games folder 23:23 Fixer he can download it from github 23:23 OldCoder Where do mods go? 23:23 Fixer worlds/CapturedWORLD/worldmods 23:24 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game 23:24 OldCoder garywhite, that has a minetest_game ZIP 23:24 OldCoder and in the world you create a folder named worldmods 23:24 OldCoder and put any extra mods there 23:24 garywhite ok 23:24 OldCoder You must also ask DI3* for the map meta file 23:24 OldCoder If he will not provide it, you can create one to turn off mapgen 23:24 OldCoder Or you can accept territory breaks 23:24 OldCoder Fixer, one more question 23:25 Fixer into captured world folder add world.mt file with this https://pastebin.com/raw/epcgpTfK 23:25 OldCoder R 23:25 OldCoder OK 23:25 Fixer only thing i don't remember is map_meta.txt 23:25 OldCoder Fixer, he does not need to turn off map saving... 23:25 OldCoder moment 23:26 OldCoder Hm, he should turn off mapgen for now, shouldn't he? 23:26 OldCoder If he visits local copy 23:26 OldCoder then goes back to DI3 23:26 OldCoder which will take precedence? 23:26 garywhite probably, cause I want to check the build 23:26 OldCoder Let's try this 23:26 OldCoder garywhite, exit Minetest 23:27 OldCoder Then make a copy of the new folder named 23:27 OldCoder whitenightingodssight 23:27 OldCoder or whatever you wish 23:27 OldCoder Then we will make a working world out of the *copy* 23:27 OldCoder that OK with you? 23:27 garywhite OK 23:28 OldCoder Copy server_di3hardanotherday_30011 or whatever 23:28 OldCoder to localworldname 23:28 garywhite So copy the folder to another folder? 23:29 OldCoder Right, this is just to be safe 23:29 OldCoder There is a folder named server_di3hardstarringbrucewillis 23:29 garywhite OK 23:29 Fixer also in world folder add map_meta.txt file with this https://pastebin.com/raw/mrB4YqGK (singlenode mapgen, you can also specify correct seed if you want just to remember it) 23:29 OldCoder copy that to fantastica 23:29 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations 23:29 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode 23:29 OldCoder seed = 4706874635870466451 23:29 OldCoder water_level = 1 23:29 OldCoder Right? 23:29 OldCoder Reviewing 23:29 OldCoder close enough 23:29 garywhite Oh, I need the world seed? 23:30 Fixer yep 23:30 OldCoder No 23:30 OldCoder Not if you 23:30 OldCoder turn off mapgen 23:30 OldCoder Just use this for now: 23:30 Fixer in singlenode you don't need 23:30 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations 23:30 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode 23:30 OldCoder water_level = 1 23:30 OldCoder Three lines 23:30 OldCoder 23:30 OldCoder Copied the folder yet? 23:30 garywhite Yeah, I copied it to the mt parent dir 23:30 OldCoder Hm, no 23:31 OldCoder put it in the worlds folder 23:31 OldCoder So you have Worlds\Fantastica 23:31 OldCoder And 23:31 OldCoder Worlds\server_Di3somename 23:31 garywhite OK, what am I supposed to call it? 23:31 OldCoder both 23:31 OldCoder Fantastica or Bacon or GaryWhite 23:31 OldCoder Whatever you wish 23:31 OldCoder LandOfDreams 23:31 garywhite OK, it's server_DI3 23:32 OldCoder But a new name? 23:32 OldCoder Call it DI3 please 23:32 OldCoder Rename to DI3 23:32 OldCoder Now you have two folders, DI3 and server_Di3something_30000 23:32 OldCoder right? 23:32 garywhite the copied folder is server_DI3, the original is still the hostname 23:33 OldCoder Fine, might be safer to rename it to DI3 ? 23:33 OldCoder But as you wish 23:33 OldCoder In the new folder, put a file named map_meta.txt 23:33 garywhite ok, it's DI3 23:33 OldCoder with the underscore 23:33 OldCoder OK 23:33 OldCoder In the new folder, put a file named map_meta.txt 23:33 OldCoder with the underscore 23:33 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations 23:33 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode 23:33 OldCoder water_level = 1 23:33 OldCoder Those three lines without the part 23:33 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations 23:33 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode 23:33 OldCoder water_level = 1 23:33 OldCoder Indicate when saved 23:34 OldCoder map_meta.txt 23:34 garywhite done 23:34 garywhite saved map_meta.txt to DI3 23:34 OldCoder Next, in that folder, put a file named world.mt 23:34 OldCoder containing what Fixer said... 23:34 OldCoder https://pastebin.com/raw/epcgpTfK 23:35 OldCoder gameid = minetest 23:35 OldCoder backend = sqlite3 23:35 OldCoder creative_mode = true 23:35 OldCoder enable_damage = false 23:35 OldCoder server_announce = false 23:35 OldCoder 23:35 OldCoder Fixer, if you are awake, what are minetest.conf settings doing there? 23:35 OldCoder Does world.mt support them? 23:35 OldCoder garywhite, indicate when done 23:35 garywhite saved world.mt 23:35 Fixer OldCoder: don't understand about settings 23:35 OldCoder Next... 23:36 OldCoder https://pastebin.com/raw/epcgpTfK 23:36 OldCoder In the file you provided, I see MT settings 23:36 OldCoder such as enable_damage = false 23:36 OldCoder Doesn't he need just the 1st two lines? 23:36 Fixer OldCoder: you can omit some of them 23:36 OldCoder garywhite, make the file just say this: 23:36 OldCoder gameid = minetest 23:36 OldCoder backend = sqlite3 23:36 garywhite ok 23:36 OldCoder Fixer, should that be minetest? or minetest_game ? 23:37 garywhite done 23:37 OldCoder garywhite, go here: 23:37 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game 23:37 OldCoder Click clone or download, get the ZIP file 23:37 garywhite I already installed it to the games folder 23:37 OldCoder Fine 23:37 OldCoder Do you have any of DI3's mods? 23:37 OldCoder Or the ones needed, rather? 23:37 Fixer OldCoder: minetest 23:37 Fixer don't ask why 23:37 OldCoder And the folder should be called minetest_game ? 23:37 Fixer i also wondered about this naming 23:37 OldCoder And the folder should be called minetest_game ? 23:38 Fixer yes 23:38 garywhite no, it'd take me days to install them all. If I can just join & see it loaded, then I'll be happy 23:38 Fixer but it is not necessary i believe 23:38 OldCoder garywhite, try it 23:38 OldCoder can you see the world yet in the GUI? 23:38 garywhite yeah 23:38 OldCoder Fixer, he does not need to turn off capture for local worlds, right? 23:38 OldCoder garywhite, enter, then 23:38 OldCoder You must teleport 23:38 OldCoder to the right coordinates 23:38 Fixer OldCoder: no idea 23:38 OldCoder As the world will be mostly air 23:38 garywhite shoot, I gotta get the coords 23:38 OldCoder Grant yourself teleport 23:38 OldCoder OK 23:39 OldCoder Go back to other world 23:39 garywhite get the cords, then join world 23:39 OldCoder right 23:39 OldCoder then grant yourself teleport 23:39 OldCoder or just edit that into auth.txt 23:40 garywhite Um it's got a biome 23:40 OldCoder Go on, explain 23:40 OldCoder Is there a question? Which is "it" ? 23:40 garywhite I spawned in a dry grass biome 23:40 OldCoder In the *copy* ? 23:40 OldCoder Did you create map_meta.txt ? 23:41 OldCoder With the underscore? 23:41 garywhite yeah, hang on...it already copied bits...I tp'd to what I thought were cords & I see builds, but not what I copied 23:41 OldCoder Singlenode isn't turned on. But teleport to where your build was. 23:41 OldCoder ?? 23:41 OldCoder You see buildings? 23:41 OldCoder Sure right coords? 23:41 garywhite Yeah, like it copied the whole world already 23:41 OldCoder This seems unlikely 23:42 OldCoder Are you sure connected to right game and mode? 23:42 garywhite wait, here's the build right behind me 23:42 OldCoder Ah 23:42 OldCoder How far afield did you wander? 23:42 garywhite Not very far, maybe about 30m from the build 23:42 OldCoder In the online copy? 23:42 garywhite Yeah 23:42 OldCoder Teleport far away 23:42 OldCoder to perhaps 1000,10,1000 23:42 garywhite It edited the builds into a world 23:43 OldCoder teleport to perhaps 1000,10,1000 23:43 OldCoder are you in air? 23:43 garywhite No, I'm over water and jungle trees 23:43 OldCoder I think you did map_meta.txt wrong 23:43 OldCoder Can you list exactly what is in the worlds folder DI3 ? 23:43 OldCoder Do you see a file named map_meta.txt 23:43 OldCoder OR 23:43 OldCoder is it really map_meta.txt.txt ? 23:44 garywhite The latter, I used the right-click > New > Text Document 23:44 OldCoder So, which is it? 23:44 garywhite It's .txt.txt 23:44 OldCoder Heh 23:44 OldCoder Rename it 23:44 garywhite I'll delete the .txt & replace it 23:44 OldCoder Or keep it 23:44 OldCoder And have a full world 23:44 OldCoder Anyway... 23:44 OldCoder Here is what to do 23:44 OldCoder Visit DI3 world online and cover as much territory as possible 23:45 OldCoder THEN 23:45 OldCoder Important!! Exit Minetest!! 23:45 OldCoder Do not be in Minetest 23:45 OldCoder Then copy map.sqlite from the server_ folder to DI3 23:45 OldCoder and you will have updated your working copy 23:45 OldCoder When you have enough copied 23:45 OldCoder Set map_meta as you wish 23:45 OldCoder And you will have a working full world 23:45 garywhite OK, I replaced the map_meta 23:45 OldCoder based on online copy 23:46 OldCoder Exit Minetest 23:46 OldCoder Copy the map.sqlite file 23:46 OldCoder Indicate when it is copied 23:46 OldCoder Important: Close Minetest before copy or file may be corrupted 23:47 garywhite I replaced the map_meta.txt with the correct copy, recopied the SQLite file with MT closed, and relaunched. It is now in singlenode 23:47 OldCoder And you see lots of air? 23:47 OldCoder Teleport to outside the areas you copied 23:47 OldCoder Just air now? 23:48 garywhite Yup, but the chunks are much larger, it copied more than you think 23:48 OldCoder It is fine 23:48 OldCoder u r good 2 go 23:48 OldCoder What you do is 23:48 OldCoder Keep capturing more of DI3 world until you are satisfied 23:48 OldCoder Then shut down MT and copy the map.sqlite file again 23:48 OldCoder Then delete the map_meta.txt file 23:49 OldCoder Or change it as you wish 23:49 OldCoder Add a worldmods folder with any mods needed 23:49 OldCoder Launch and you will have a full working world 23:49 OldCoder With your city at the heart of it 23:49 OldCoder 23:49 OldCoder garywhite, is this satisfactory? 23:49 garywhite yeah, thanks 23:49 OldCoder When you delete the map_meta.txt file generation will start 23:50 OldCoder and you will be divorced 23:50 OldCoder irrevocably 23:50 OldCoder from the parent world once you start to build on the new one 23:50 OldCoder Got all that? 23:50 OldCoder Go back and visit the old world until happy 23:50 OldCoder Oh, and remember to turn off that setting when you don't need it 23:50 OldCoder Or you will capture everything everywhere! 23:51 garywhite Yeah, but the last part I don't understand. Basically once I delete map_meta from the folder, then the map copy is final 23:51 OldCoder Moment 23:51 OldCoder You will eventually do this (perhaps as soon as tomorrow): 23:51 OldCoder I m dun copying 23:51 OldCoder Shut down minetest 23:51 OldCoder Copy map.sqlite file again 23:51 OldCoder Delete map_meta.txt 23:51 OldCoder Restart minetest 23:51 OldCoder Go to local world 23:52 OldCoder Behold complete empty world that has your city at the heart 23:52 OldCoder Determine coords and settings you wish 23:52 OldCoder Create new minetest.conf 23:52 OldCoder Add mods as needed 23:52 OldCoder Done 23:52 OldCoder 23:52 OldCoder Does that help? 23:52 garywhite Yeah, thanks 23:52 OldCoder Time for this Old Coder to go on a break or he will break 23:52 OldCoder garywhite, Fixer is probably sleep deep, but he seems willing to help 23:53 OldCoder and you can find me in several channels 23:53 Fixer yes, I go sleep now :) 23:53 OldCoder Let us know if more is needed after you proceeded and we will take heeded 23:53 OldCoder Good night 23:53 garywhite night 23:53 * OldCoder will be back in 1 to 3 hours 23:53 OldCoder