Time Nick Message 15:33 jordach good afternoon 15:33 PilzAdam hi 15:33 * jordach pushed tweaks to minetest-classic :) 15:35 VanessaE_ jordach: seen the latest change to the photorealistic pack? JPG is directly supported by irrlicht, and is not related to texture compression in a video card. 15:35 PilzAdam its fun whats going on on #minetest 15:35 VanessaE_ it works everywhere. 15:35 jordach :( 15:36 jordach VanessaE_: im working on a texture pack; designed for the height of wool 15:36 VanessaE_ so anyone can use it in any mod or texture pack. Mine shrunk from 263MB to 93 without any visible loss in quality. 15:36 VanessaE_ cool 15:36 jordach including RAM? 15:37 VanessaE_ didn't look at the memory usage, just the unzipped size on disk 15:37 * jordach rolls eyes 15:37 VanessaE_ doubt it helps memory any though :-) 15:37 jordach youre right\ 15:37 jordach btw; you live in a nice place 15:37 jordach (google maps ftw) 15:38 VanessaE_ eh? 15:38 VanessaE_ our apartment doesn't show up in google maps :-) 15:39 jordach oh ti does 15:39 jordach it* 15:39 * jordach point to your site 15:40 VanessaE_ still no street view of the house though :-) 15:40 jordach sup nf 15:41 VanessaE_ jordach: also, another note: 15:41 jordach mm 15:41 VanessaE_ if you name your files all .jpg, even if the mod needs a png, it'll pull the jpg if that's all the game can find. 15:41 VanessaE_ so you don't even have to change anything about the game/mods' code. 15:41 VanessaE_ (assuming a jpg will hold the data okay, e.g. no transparency) 15:42 jordach im smiling 15:42 jordach because i found this out first 15:42 jordach thanks tv mod 15:43 VanessaE_ yup 15:43 jordach so i started a trend? 15:43 VanessaE_ which is why I'm saying it now so you know it's not just some quirk regarding texture compression in a modern video card :-) 15:44 jordach lol 15:44 jordach actually it only worked if i used my SiS inboard 15:44 VanessaE_ then you did it wrong :-) 15:44 VanessaE_ because it's a feature of irrlicht. 15:45 jordach http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/pny-geforce-6200-agp-graphics-card-512mb-10893079-pdt.html 15:45 jordach thats my card 15:46 VanessaE_ but anyway, name the files .jpg (don't just put a jpeg inside a .png filename) and it just works. 15:46 jordach i did 15:46 jordach and thats why tv mod fails 15:47 VanessaE_ strange 15:48 jordach however my card is capable of Call of Duty 5 15:48 jordach with 40fps 15:48 jordach my card is so damn rare, nowhere has one; good thing; it was the last in pc world 15:49 VanessaE_ You never said, by the way 15:49 VanessaE_ what exactly fails? 15:49 VanessaE_ what did it do wrong? 15:49 jordach nothing 15:50 jordach its not 512mb, its 768mb of ram 15:50 VanessaE_ [08-23 11:46] but anyway, name the files .jpg (don't just put a jpeg inside a .png filename) and it just works. 15:50 VanessaE_ [08-23 11:46] i did 15:50 VanessaE_ [08-23 11:46] and thats why tv mod fails 15:50 VanessaE_ no, this 15:50 VanessaE_ I'm genuinely curious 15:51 jordach it says failed to load texture 15:51 VanessaE_ you still have that old code? 15:51 VanessaE_ also, glad you came back to IRC. I was kinda missing these chats. 15:51 jordach why yes 15:51 jordach its in my github 15:52 VanessaE_ link? I wanna take a look and see what went wrong 15:52 jordach im still away from #minetest 15:52 jordach github.com/jordach 15:52 jordach its my damn minetest mods repo 15:52 VanessaE_ got oit 15:52 VanessaE_ it 15:52 VanessaE_ you seen the latest pipeworks btw? :-) 15:53 jordach tes 15:53 jordach yes 15:53 jordach i went to win xp again :) 200fps on mc 15:53 VanessaE_ nice. 15:54 VanessaE_ these are just real PNGs btw. I wanted the code that didn't work :-) 15:54 jordach you'd think it'd correlate to mt, no. 20-30fps 15:54 jordach THE FILES ARE LPGS 15:54 jordach jpgs as .png 15:54 VanessaE_ everyone's having performance problems with MT lately, vicscandl and others are looking into it. 15:55 VanessaE_ vanessa@rainbird:~$ file tv_screen_5.png 15:55 VanessaE_ tv_screen_5.png: PNG image data, 36 x 36, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced 15:55 VanessaE_ (file would have told me if it were JPG content) 15:55 jordach 7 i know was 15:55 * VanessaE_ looks 15:55 VanessaE_ vanessa@rainbird:~$ file tv_screen_7.png tv_screen_7.png: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01 15:55 VanessaE_ yup. 15:56 VanessaE_ did you try renaming it to .jpg - but don't change the mod code? 15:56 jordach no. 15:56 VanessaE_ the game will load it as long as no png with the same basename exists. 15:56 VanessaE_ it ignores the filename extension, or is supposed to anyway 15:57 VanessaE_ c55 and I had a chat about this to finally clear it up :-) 15:58 jordach i saw the battle between c55's bot in a comp. 15:58 VanessaE_ bot? 15:58 jordach battle robots 15:58 VanessaE_ oh 15:58 jordach he lost 16:00 * VanessaE_ tests it... 16:00 VanessaE_ (the jpg issue) 16:00 VanessaE_ interesting. If I tweak the init.lua to look for tv_screen_7.jpg and name the file .jpg, it works. 16:02 VanessaE_ you've hit a bug in the game apparently. you're supposed to be able to give no file extension at all as well. 16:02 jordach thats odd 16:03 jordach i only copy and pasted the tv mod 16:03 jordach was out of ntime 16:03 VanessaE_ no prob, but now you know the fix in case you want to play around more with jpg textures. 16:03 VanessaE_ also you can do tiff, tga, bmp, and a few others. 16:04 jordach oohh 16:04 VanessaE_ (oddly, not GIF) 16:04 jordach but we have node anims tho 16:04 VanessaE_ yes 16:04 jordach so gif IS redundant 16:04 VanessaE_ which have to be vertical-strip format 16:04 jordach mc uses this to 16:04 VanessaE_ yeah I know 16:04 VanessaE_ horrible format. 16:04 jordach unless you have gimp 16:05 VanessaE_ animated GIF can be smaller than the equivalent vertical strip 16:05 VanessaE_ and with 16px textures, that's 256 pixels, so gif loses nothing in number of colors :-) 16:08 jordach bbl 16:08 VanessaE_ k 18:27 jordach good evening 18:27 VanessaE_ evening 18:27 jordach ./nick VanessaE VanessaE_ 18:27 jordach underscores annoy me 18:28 jordach one sign of xchat laziness 18:28 VanessaE_ jordach: c55 and I talked; the filename issue is a bug. https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/223 18:28 VanessaE there. 18:29 jordach so i tripped on a highly obscure bug 18:29 VanessaE yup 18:29 VanessaE it'll get fixed eventually 18:29 jordach WOOT! 18:29 VanessaE in the meantime, make sure you save your images with proper filenames and codec that matches the file extension. :-) 18:30 VanessaE bbiab 18:31 jordach ENGLISH ZBGURESHPXRE, DO YOU SPEAK IT?