Time Nick Message 14:18 VanessaE so is this chan officially dead? time to kick-ban everyone? :) 14:48 shivajiva lol 14:51 shivajiva the channel was a collab between celeron55 and Shara, I expect that they both have a say in it's continuation/demise 14:56 shivajiva not that anything much happens here, it's hardly a hub of activity =) 14:57 MTDiscord It was supposed to be "#minetest but with less noise" or something, right? I suppose if #minetest ever gets enough noise again then it could be useful... 14:59 shivajiva it was meant to be a channel where the more mature members collaborated with development, without the noise of the kids fighting 15:00 shivajiva server owners and modders alike in a friendly channel where some social etiquette was maintained 15:02 MTDiscord Presumably then you could treat this place like a bomb shelter; hang out in #minetest under normal conditions, and only retreat in here if things start to get bad there... 15:04 shivajiva most of the people in this channel do exactly that afaik 15:20 MTDiscord It’s basically -dev without the suits and business wear 15:21 MTDiscord This is the jeans and popped collars channel by comparison 15:25 MTDiscord That said I’m glad hub exists because fuck roblox kiddies and Minecraft kiddies 15:31 shivajiva lmao 15:35 shivajiva I'd be happy to see more content here but if it's not serving a purpose then it's a waste of resources. 15:42 shivajiva server owners need a place to report shenanigans that's not broadcast, so there is a sense of community to the mostly thankless task, -hub no longer seems to fulfil that function 15:56 celeron55 it still goes to discord, that should be fixed 15:56 shivajiva indeedly 15:59 celeron55 well, anyway, one option for this channel is to drop discord from here 15:59 celeron55 then the function of this channel is to be the channel that isn't on discord 15:59 celeron55 might be nonsense 15:59 celeron55 i.e. one more reason to not use this for anything 16:09 shivajiva the restriction of needing voice is designed to impart community, you have to join and ask. We expect to see active community present and participating in the common passion. It's supposed to break down the barriers, the perceived divisions between the skill levels of development, running a public facing server to test the code and the modders who provide content 16:10 shivajiva that was the reason it was -hub 16:14 shivajiva as an instigator I have a pretty clear perception of what it was supposed to be 16:16 shivajiva the question is as an organisation, does this ethos have a place, and is it fulfilled elsewhere 16:18 shivajiva if not then I suggest you leave it be and cultivate it as much as possible 16:22 celeron55 let's try to keep this as the "no noob questions, that way the devs have time to read this and everyone can get stuff done" channel 16:23 shivajiva even if that's elsewhere, you need to have a community so it's a sound ethos, progress is unstoppable but the human side remains :) 16:23 celeron55 +"and no offtopic" 16:24 shivajiva shit, all my questions are noob questions on some level xD 16:25 shivajiva but yea makes sense if that's what's making this channel less not more 16:26 celeron55 "less is more" 16:26 celeron55 as can be said 16:28 shivajiva as I said if this can be fulfilled elsewhere and makes more sense, providing the management is less, giving more time, as that's what's applicable 16:28 shivajiva then it should be so 16:30 shivajiva *mutters proprietary shit under his breath* 16:40 MTDiscord hub always seemed more server-business focussed than other channels even with some off-topic talk now and then that often inspired stuff created for servers 16:43 shivajiva quite natural considering the mix of dev, server admins and modders present 16:46 shivajiva raylib disco channel is buzz, it's got some momentum, wish mt had that sort of buzz around it 17:50 MTDiscord I can always role-lock access to this channel from Discord, if people would prefer 18:00 Sokomine wouldn't it make more sense to have discord on #minetest in general? using this channel here for an experiment in that regard is fine, but its purpose was mostly to bring core devs, server owners and modders together (with server owners observing what their players need and acting as an interface layer between devs and players). at least that was what i thought of it 18:01 Sokomine would be a pity to have it closed although there has definitely been less talk here lately... 18:03 MTDiscord What do you mean by "discord on #minetest in general"? 18:05 rubenwardy discord is already in #minetest, Sokomine 18:19 shivajiva I don't care for the disconnection to the audience that the discord bot creates, I prefer to see my audience as it were, know who I'm addressing 18:20 shivajiva for that I need to be in 2 places, right 18:22 MTDiscord @GreenXenith you can also user lock this channel too 18:22 Sokomine rubenwardy: oh. thanks for the info, rubenwardy. then that fits i think 18:23 MTDiscord @Jordach wit no brim I could but role locking is easier 18:23 MTDiscord per user is a better choice here imo as this should obey the +v to users that already exist 18:23 Sokomine it's not about user-locking as such. it's about discord as such on my part... 18:24 Jordach people can already come in and read it with any IRC client so [off] to the bridge is a pointless endeavour 18:24 Jordach that and irc.minetest.net exists 18:24 Jordach sans [off] 18:25 Jordach they just can't talk 18:29 shivajiva you know who is present when you use [off] it served it's purpose without losing it's worth 18:30 Jordach spose so 18:33 shivajiva feels like control is lost to some degree here now, better make sure channel users know their conversation is being used as management see fit and not contained to the premise of irc if the disco bot stay in this channel, and every channel it's present in 18:34 Jordach Krock, got time to review #10360 18:34 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10360 -- Fix/Add First Person Attachments by Jordach 18:35 Krock _._ 18:35 Jordach don't have to do it today 18:35 Krock time is my least concern 18:35 Jordach i did test player:set_attach(..., true) and the player stays invisible due to the culling mode 18:40 shivajiva Q. will the player inventory be backported for the small number of 0.4 servers or are we happy to leave the flaw present 18:40 shivajiva player inventory fix* 18:41 Krock there are multiple flags btw 18:41 Krock *flaws 18:42 Krock also no, 0.4.x is not supported since 5.0.0 18:42 Krock backports yet only happened for 0.4.17, and that's a very exceptional situation 18:43 rubenwardy yet only? 18:44 rubenwardy There was 5.0.1 and 5.1.1 18:44 shivajiva if I'm not mistaken the code can be cherry picked and dropped in 0.4.17 anyway to gain the protection 18:45 rubenwardy yeah, there may not be any conflicts 18:46 Krock do you think they would suddenly update if there were a backport release? 18:47 Krock honestly I doubt it. who knows how many of those servers are still actively maintained 18:47 shivajiva as soon as they became aware of the fact, those maintained would is my guess 18:48 rubenwardy having security vulnerabilities is a risk of running an outdated version 18:48 rubenwardy at least it's not a remote execution vulnerability 18:49 Jordach if we did have an RCE some random server owner would bitch that you're removing it 18:51 Krock you mean the worldedit leak? 18:52 MTDiscord If there was a proper one that broke the Lua sandbox a server owner would probably complain 18:53 rubenwardy more server owners than you'd expect disable mod security, which means that worldedit was that 18:54 shivajiva it's the easy option when you don't have the patience or knowledge and want something to work 18:55 shivajiva chaining consequences isn't a high priority on the steep part of the learning curve 18:57 rubenwardy there are enough warnings when it comes to disabling it. Ultimately, it's the user's choice to accept the risk 18:57 rubenwardy it would be more of a problem if mods and other people told users to disable mod security 19:01 shivajiva yea, that's policed in the forum as far as possible :) 20:52 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25310 pretty cool. I wonder whether there's another mod that might have mesecons support 20:52 Krock (sarcasm) 21:39 MTDiscord its based on boost cart if i read it right 21:40 sfan5 huh a better carts mod 21:41 Sokomine hm. is it me or did mapgen get faster? 21:42 shivajiva every one is 'better' than the last when it comes to vehicles