Time  Nick        Message
01:40 ANAND       MT is featured in Ubuntu's Software Center: https://imgur.com/a/KDcLyTI :)
01:54 ANAND       https://vscodium.com/      This is interesting...
01:56 GreenXenith VSCode is great
02:17 ANAND       Indeed
13:20 aerozoic    is the forum down?
13:22 twoelk      it is very slow and buggy and yes problem is known and being worked on
13:23 twoelk      but as it seems no fast and easy solution in sight
13:31 aerozoic    ok thx for info twoelk
13:42 aerozoic    there's a minetest discord?
13:47 rubenwardy  aerozoic: there's an unofficial one with 800 users
13:47 aerozoic    found it just now :)
16:33 Sokomine    i'm wondering how much a newer computer would help regarding mt...single-thread performance is most certainly the most relevant, and even newer, faster machines don't get more than factor 2 relative to my celeron g16010 i think...the integrated graphics cards of cpus probably got improved more than that
18:58 Krock       spring cleaning. yes indeed
19:12 Calinou     Sokomine: IGPs have evolved faster than singlethread CPU performance, by far
19:12 Calinou     on average, each new Intel CPU generation brings +10% singlethreaded CPU performance (sometimes less), whereas the IGP gets +20% (sometimes up to +25%)
19:13 Calinou     some laptops also have faster-than-usual IGPs too since the latest generation (Intel Ice Lake, or Ryzen Mobile APUs)
19:13 Calinou     these can be competitive with low-end dedicated mobile GPUs
19:53 Sokomine    Calinou: sounds tempting. mine's still an old ivy bridge with some unspecified "hd graphics". quite old by now. runs mt well, but...there might be room for improvement with better ressources i guess
19:54 Calinou     in Sandy/Ivy Bridge, unspecified HD Graphics is the slowest of them all
19:54 Calinou     you then have HD Graphics 2500, and HD Graphics 4000 (fastest on Ivy Bridge)
19:54 Calinou     their Sandy Bridge counterparts are HD Graphics 2000 and HD Graphics 3000
19:54 Sokomine    yes. on the one hand it's great that mt runs quite well already with that. but somehow it would be nicer to have it all a bit faster
19:54 Calinou     it's quite confusing at first…
19:57 * twoelk    is quite nostalgic about his collection of ancient laptops he just couldn't bear to get rid off when they got outdated beyond usefullness
19:58 Sokomine    twoelk: oh yes, i know that. even regarding desktops. as far as laptops go: there's just no way to get an equally good keyboard as that from very old thinkpads
19:59 twoelk      yep, all ibm thinkpads
20:00 Sokomine    Calinou: a german computer technology related newspaper yearly makes some suggestions about how to build your new pc. this year, they sadly had better machines that consumed around 30w - that's far too much for 24/7 running. a small athlon 200ge sounds tempting - 7w, quiet even under load, even cheap - but i'm not sure how that igp will fare under linux and mt
20:00 Calinou     7W at idle? that sounds exceedingly low for a desktop PC
20:01 twoelk      still got my first 386SX as well - not functional though as I lack a working monitor that can connect
20:01 Calinou     I wouldn't trust that value to be fair
20:01 Sokomine    twoelk: not all. the newer ones got less and less good keyboards. the really old ones are excellent. today ones are..i think the english term is "crap"
20:02 Sokomine    Calinou: its perforamnce is rather low compared to the other machines. uses a very small case with external power supply
20:04 twoelk      my mother ditched her old freezer of 30 years for a modern one a few months ago - we can actually see the difference in the electricity bill
20:04 twoelk      my room was quite warm when I had my old pc running
20:04 Sokomine    Calinou: an intel nuc8i5bek also sounds tempting: even less power needed, small (nice but not required), some vega-cpu (no idea how good that's under linux and mt), very small. drawbacks are that it can get noisy (don't want that) and the price seems to go up and up
20:05 Sokomine    twoelk: if it was 30 years old that seems likely, yes. and the freezer is running most of the time as well
20:07 Calinou     I can't hear my PC at idle but when the GPU is loaded, it gets quite noisy
20:07 Calinou     (CPU load only is fine though)
20:07 Calinou     that's a GTX 1080 for me :(
20:08 twoelk      one of the drawbacks of a ssd is I can't hear anymore what the hard disk is doing
20:10 Sokomine    a gtx 1080 sounds too much like a graphics card :-) 24/7 running + low idle requirement + only mt call for an igp of some sort
20:10 Sokomine    definitely, twoelk. but it also speeds up start of mt considerably. on all else it has little effect; but game start is considerably faster
20:12 twoelk      well it seems writing "save to local DB" is also a tiny bit faster
20:13 Sokomine    ah yes, of course. that also profits extremly from an ssd, yes
22:35 Sokomine    mod security is terribly annoying
22:45 sfan5       in which regard?
22:47 Sokomine    can't read files i created myself in my mod
22:47 Sokomine    want to restore metadata
22:56 Sokomine    ah. need to extend my exceptions...perhaps it'll work then...
23:05 rubenwardy  you really should use mod storage, Sokomine
23:05 rubenwardy  settings are good for most configuration, you would need to do that during load time
23:15 Sokomine    right now i'm trying to resture metadata for saved buildings. mod storage wouldn't help me there. it might be useful in a lot of other scenarios though