Time  Nick            Message
01:04 ANAND           sfan5: Sorry I couldn't reply, I dozed off. But the dark patch was just around 20x50x20 nodes in size, while the selected region passed to the various commands and API methods was as large as 220x140x200 nodes in size
01:07 ANAND           Peppy: I thought /mapfix does exactly what the WE's //fixlight would do. But I'll try that out too, thanks for the suggestion
07:25 ANAND           /mapfix doesn't work either :(
08:06 shivajiva       fwiw it got worse after 0.4.15, you used to be able to fix it but it's got harder/impossible to remove some shadows, WE adds a repetitive shadow if you insert a flat plane, squares or diamonds depending on how you are looking at it, that must point to some mechanism due to the repetitive nature
08:08 shivajiva       well actually MT adds the shadow, when WE inserts the nodes
08:53 ANAND           So there's no way to remove the shadows? :O
08:54 shivajiva       I haven't found a way, let me know if you do
09:11 ANAND           Will do
09:41 Peppy           about mapfix : I sometimes have to use it quite some nodes above the shadowed area (say 20/30) , hope it helps...
09:43 shivajiva       yea it's like your fixing removed nodes above that still cast shadows, doesn't always work though
09:44 Peppy           I de-grief our map using WE a lot, so, I use mapfix a lot too
09:45 Peppy           the only time shadows did remain, I had to use //fixlight
09:46 Peppy           so, I guess they work a bit different
09:46 shivajiva       I have the issue inside a huge cloud box where the shadows shouldn't penetrate, nothing I have tried will remove them, just one wall inside has the issue
09:50 Peppy           I noticed yesterday that //set dirt on chest would end showing "Protected chest owned by .." on mouseover the dirt :(
09:50 shivajiva       yep meta not cleared
09:50 Peppy           this doesn't happen with the replacer tool or /deleteblocks
09:51 shivajiva       pr for WE?
09:51 Peppy           replacer tool is great for de-griefing, thanks Sokomine :)
09:52 shivajiva       I may have a look at WE and submit a pr for that
09:52 shivajiva       I'm familiar with the code
09:54 shivajiva       might slow it down a touch though checking for it though
09:55 shivajiva       ugh one to many 'though' lol
09:59 shivajiva       WE isn't optimised, load and save are horrible, mts and a we file with meta nodes is far superior and massively smaller footprint
09:59 shivajiva       I should know, I created code to do it that way
10:00 shivajiva       half a million blocks in about a second
10:01 shivajiva       used for saving and importing prebuilt subgames ;)
10:02 shivajiva       makes it usable on a running server without causing huge lag
10:04 shivajiva       I was waiting for some testing before release but the code is done
10:06 shivajiva       even comes with example subgames you can load and play immediately
10:11 shivajiva       if anyone is up for testing it, let me know, I'll arrange for access
10:13 ANAND           Peppy: Tried to /mapfix while standing 30 nodes above the dark region. Didn't work.
10:14 ANAND           Neither did /mapfix 100
10:15 shivajiva       as I said, doesn't always work *smirk*
10:16 ANAND           I tried lighting up the whole region with mese lamps, so that the light values of all nodes are updated, but the darkness immediately returns upon destroying those lights
10:16 ANAND           How does that even happen? o_O
10:17 shivajiva       not sure but it's consistent with my experience also
10:18 ANAND           The actual terrain doesn't have any lighting bugs
10:18 ANAND           But if I place the schem to re-check if everything's alright, boom
10:19 ANAND           I place schems at heights of y >= 5000 to prevent interaction with the generated world. Would that matter?
10:22 shivajiva       what I have noticed is if you dig the nodes one by one it updates the lighting correctly in chunks where the issues show, it shouldn't matter if you place schems up there ANAND but clearly it does
10:23 sfan5           ANAND: yes that makes a difference, there is a shadow propagation limit
10:25 shivajiva       how far do shadows propagate vertically downwards?
10:31 sfan5           that'a good question and I don't know
10:31 shivajiva       shouldn't it be conical and taper out inverse squared?
10:38 ANAND           Ah
10:39 ANAND           sfan5: How would that affect the placed schem though?
10:39 ANAND           There's nothing above the placed schem, and the rest of the world is 5000+ nodes below
10:39 sfan5           it wouldn't
10:40 ANAND           Oh
10:41 ANAND           I don't mind the schem's shadow not propagating downwards, that's not an issue
10:41 sfan5           shivajiva: I don't see an explicit limit here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/voxelalgorithms.cpp#L1222
10:41 sfan5           so maybe it's just as soon as it hits a non-generated block
10:43 sfan5           repair_block_light is the function called through the vmanip:fix_light() Lua api
10:53 shivajiva       so it's a step propagation based on light spread to produce the cone of shadow, makes sense, attending to light creates the shadow boundary in the process
10:59 sfan5           I don't think it attempts to produce a cone, it just goes straight down
10:59 sfan5           or hmm
13:04 VanessaE        just reminding:  if anyone has $ to spare, I've had to take out another round of funding...  please help:  https://www.gofundme.com/f/5pqdb-help-me-move
13:56 tumeninodes     ANAND: have you tried using WE to fill around the shadowed area, and then us it to remove the cluster again? I have had a similar issue before but not so large, and found if I play around with the area, filling it with nodes and removing them again, it fixes most of it.
13:57 tumeninodes     Large operations with WE seems to throw the lighting system into shock sometimes xD
14:10 tumeninodes     Ahhhh, Nathan... just the person I was looking for to abduct to fix a couple models for me with your precise Blender skillz :D
14:10 rubenwardy      hey NathanS21
14:12 * tumeninodes   is concerned that rubenwardy never seems to sleep
14:12 rubenwardy      lol
14:12 rubenwardy      my waking hours are typically 11am - 3am
14:12 VanessaE        sleep?  what's that?
14:12 ANAND           I too share your concern :D
14:12 rubenwardy      this morning I woke up at 9am
14:12 tumeninodes     actually, I suspect cloning is involved
14:13 ANAND           Whoa, really?! That's so early!
14:13 VanessaE        waking at 9am ...barbaric.
14:13 tumeninodes     haha
14:13 tumeninodes     It's slavery
14:13 rubenwardy      ikr
14:13 rubenwardy      crazy
14:13 VanessaE        <mumble> I woke up at 6 </mumble>
14:14 NathanS21       hello rubewardy
14:14 tumeninodes     I dozed around 3:30am / woke at 5:30 (a good wee hours of the morning nap)
14:14 NathanS21       Tumeninodes if you need models let me know!
14:15 tumeninodes     Actually, I need help just tweaking a couple models (and thank you.... again)
14:15 ANAND           VanessaE: 6 PM is the perfect time to start the day ;)
14:15 tumeninodes     I suck at the whole "precision" thing... it;s over rated
14:15 VanessaE        Yeah, if you mean PST while living in EST. :)
14:15 ANAND           lol :P
14:15 tumeninodes     ^true
14:16 tumeninodes     Try living in the Boston area
14:16 tumeninodes     surrounded by Massholes
14:16 VanessaE        heh
14:16 ANAND           ha, I see what you did there
14:16 ANAND           :P
14:17 ANAND           tumeninodes: Btw, I used WE to place a schem of a cube of terrain (which I copied from the same world)
14:17 ANAND           The original terrain is unaffected, but the placed schem has a lighting bug right at the middle
14:17 tumeninodes     Nathan, my new 3 node tall arch doors a a hair too high and my angled doors are wonky when opened
14:18 tumeninodes     I wonder if WE copies the light data from a specific instance?
14:19 tumeninodes     and placing some nodes all around that area and removing them does not work?
14:19 NathanS21       Sounds like a collision box issue on that.
14:20 NathanS21       code on github?
14:20 tumeninodes     yes https://github.com/TumeniNodes/pkarcs
14:21 tumeninodes     the models are just a smidge too high... and I cant seem to get them exactly right using increments (cus I suck at that)
14:21 NathanS21       cool, cool. I'll take a look at it.
14:21 NathanS21       which folder are the problematic files in?
14:22 tumeninodes     thank you very much :) The angled doors are off axis from bottom to top as well https://github.com/TumeniNodes/angledwalls
14:22 tumeninodes     https://github.com/TumeniNodes/pkarcs/tree/master/pkarcs_doors3
14:22 NathanS21       alright.
14:41 tumeninodes     afk momentarily
16:12 tenplus1        hi folks
16:13 tenplus1        how's all :)
16:15 IcyDiamond      Hi
16:15 tenplus1        hey Icy :)
16:15 tenplus1        what's new with you dude
16:15 VanessaE        hey tenplus1
16:15 shivajiva       Hello tenplus ;)
16:15 tenplus1        hi vanessa, hey shiva :P
16:17 shivajiva       how's it hanging, think I'll call ya tenplusYin
16:18 tenplus1        hehe, am ok, been super busy lately
16:18 tenplus1        you ?
16:19 shivajiva       just moseying along, not too busy but it's rolling :)
16:19 tenplus1        rollin' is good :P
16:19 tenplus1        how about you vanessa ?
16:20 VanessaE        meh.
16:20 * tenplus1      hands vanessa a bottle of irn bru and a special fish with chips
16:20 shivajiva       it's a hard slog to get it to the top and watch it roll back round the hill to the bottom xD
16:20 VanessaE        yummy
16:21 tenplus1        ahh, the one step forward two steps back kinda thing
16:21 VanessaE        you cheapskates need to donate to my moving fund, then I'll be in better spirits :)
16:21 tenplus1        moving fund ?
16:22 shivajiva       nope, just there's always another one to roll up the hill lol
16:22 VanessaE        tenplus1: <spam>  https://www.gofundme.com/f/5pqdb-help-me-move   I take Paypal too: vanessa.e.dannenberg@gmail.com </spam>
16:22 * tenplus1      renames shiva to Sisyphus
16:22 shivajiva       see now you're on it :D
16:23 shivajiva       Vanessa I'd love to help but circumstances don't allow it :/
16:23 tumeninodes     ahhh... the mythical, tenplus1
16:24 tumeninodes     :)
16:24 VanessaE        shivajiva: I understand.  At least pass it around.
16:24 shivajiva       okies :)
16:28 VanessaE        tumeninodes: *poke* *passes hat*
16:28 tumeninodes     I know my dear... but all I have right now is lint :(
16:29 VanessaE        bummer
16:29 tenplus1        hi tumeni
16:29 VanessaE        well pass the links arounf
16:29 tumeninodes     It's pretty though
16:29 tumeninodes     Hi ten
16:30 tumeninodes     I'm still fighting with that ins co
16:30 tenplus1        oof, hope things work themselves out ok
16:30 tumeninodes     I may be able to throw something your way, but I fear it will be very minor donation
16:31 tumeninodes     ha, seems we're all in a pickle lately
16:31 VanessaE        anything helps, just don't put yourself in jeopardy
16:31 tumeninodes     I'm a self preservationist... no worry about that LD
16:31 tumeninodes     :D
16:31 tumeninodes     women and children first is just a song to me
16:32 VanessaE        heh
16:32 * tenplus1      prefers Abba
16:32 tenplus1        :P
16:32 * tumeninodes   loves ABBA
16:32 VanessaE        ?
16:32 tenplus1        wait, what happened to their latest tour and the four new songs ?!?!?!
16:33 VanessaE        wait, new tour??
16:33 VanessaE        I thought they broke up in the early 80's?
16:33 tenplus1        I heard they were doing one last tour and introducing some new songs, this was last year
16:33 tumeninodes     Did it even happen? I do not believe the US was on their agenda... bastages
16:33 tenplus1        quick... to the bat computer
16:34 VanessaE        well ticketmaster shows a tour running now
16:34 VanessaE        but it's probably not the real group
16:34 tenplus1        yay, it IS happening
16:34 tenplus1        aw
16:35 tumeninodes     https://tickets.phoenixsymphony.org/single/PSDetail.aspx?psn=11748&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5MLrBRClARIsAPG0WGzScTwsD-Bhn2dasc3UCIBAUn80ELKeMzcCdpKOTe5xBti7Jcd0BzoaAqv2EALw_wcB
16:35 tumeninodes     !title
16:35 MinetestBot     urllib.error.URLError: <urlopen error [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:852)> (file "/usr/lib/python3.6/urllib/request.py", line 1320, in do_open)
16:35 VanessaE        https://www.ticketmaster.com/abba-the-concert-tickets/artist/1469412
16:35 tumeninodes     wtf?
16:35 tumeninodes     that... is NOT ABBA
16:35 VanessaE        yeah, didn't think so
16:35 tumeninodes     who are these imposters? 0_o
16:36 tumeninodes     http://www.abbatheconcert.com/
16:38 tenplus1        crap
16:38 tumeninodes     OMG!!!! A disco cruise!! 00 https://ultimatediscocruise.com/abbathec
16:39 tenplus1        :P
16:39 tumeninodes     I have to iron my lapels!
16:40 tenplus1        you got a pair of platform shoes >?
16:40 tumeninodes     probably.... (sadly)
16:40 tenplus1        lol
16:40 tenplus1        my dad had a pair of those, 4 inches high and almost broke his ankle :)
16:41 tumeninodes     hahaha
16:41 tumeninodes     I definitely stillhave a pair of my bell bottom jeans somewhere in the house from like 1978
16:42 * tenplus1      still wears boot style jeans even today :P
16:42 tumeninodes     iron on patches all over
16:42 tenplus1        soooo comfy
16:42 tumeninodes     'specially with boots
16:43 tenplus1        ooh, I tinkered earlier and updated mobs redo, mobs_sky and mobs_water with some changes if anyone uses them
16:43 tumeninodes     I like them because I'm 6'... boots makes me 6'2" ;)
16:43 tenplus1        wb nri
16:43 shivajiva       smh and re-reads the chat laughing
16:43 tenplus1        wow, any higher tumeni and you'll be headbutting the ceiling
16:44 tumeninodes     nah... my oldest sone is about 6' 4"
16:44 tumeninodes     -e
16:45 * tenplus1      is 3'2 and really a gelfling
16:45 tumeninodes     :D
16:45 VanessaE        6' even here, also
16:46 tumeninodes     yeah but with heels 6' 7" +
16:46 VanessaE        not THAT bad.
16:46 VanessaE        more like 6'3" give or take a bit
16:46 tumeninodes     had a gf years ago who was 5' 11" with heels she was taller than me
16:47 tenplus1        ehehe
16:47 tenplus1        anyone seen the new Dark Crystal series ?
16:47 tumeninodes     really? link please
16:48 tumeninodes     oh and, has anyone seen the new buffalo?
16:48 tenplus1        it's on Netflix :) looks just like original movie and is prequel
16:48 tenplus1        what's buffalo ?
16:48 tumeninodes     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=356237#p356237
16:49 tumeninodes     I have to check that out... I loved the Dark Crystal... creepy as it was
16:49 tenplus1        ooh nice, new mobs are always welcome :)
16:49 * tenplus1      spent a night in a real teepee once, was amazing
16:49 tumeninodes     hopefully they actually release all that stuff
16:50 * tumeninodes   is 1/4 Cree and has never spent time in a teepee...
16:50 tumeninodes     but has been in a sweat lodge a few times
16:50 tenplus1        sweat lodge sounds relaxing :)
16:50 tumeninodes     yes...
16:50 tumeninodes     and no
16:50 tumeninodes     :D
16:51 tenplus1        lol, could build one on server and have players come out 3/4 the size :P would be funny
16:51 tumeninodes     picture a very small confined area... very hot and extremely humid... sitting among a couple elders who keep farting
16:52 * Peppy         would love to see teepees in Minetest
16:52 * shivajiva     says meh to film & tv media, it's got old like me, we need implantables, so we can be told what to think :P
16:52 tenplus1        hi peppy, and yeah, that would be awesome...
16:52 tenplus1        lol shiva, isnt facebook looking into that already
16:52 tumeninodes     shivajive: that's what the news is for
16:53 shivajiva       enhancements, then they can be reqd for certain jobs...see where I'm going lmao
16:53 tumeninodes     00
16:54 tumeninodes     where ever you're going... if you pass a store can you grab me some cheese puffs?
16:54 tenplus1        sounds scarey... bad enough china has the social point system in place (a-la blackmirror)
16:55 tumeninodes     The US could use a social points system
16:55 tumeninodes     would sure thin out the population a bit
16:55 * tumeninodes   starts counting # of lines of OT
16:56 shivajiva       if media is the conditioner, you'll find it's conditioned us for that reality
16:56 * tenplus1      is so glad he has no tv
16:56 tumeninodes     which is I avoid media... and society in general
16:56 tumeninodes     +why
16:57 tenplus1        it's weird but I hear ya, being a recluse can be good at times :)
16:57 shivajiva       you are not the target, our children are :)
16:58 * rubenwardy    is making cheesecake
16:58 tumeninodes     good luck getting anything through to my kids :D
16:58 tenplus1        hey ruben, need any help ?
16:58 tumeninodes     I'll help! (grabs a fork)
16:58 tenplus1        lolol
16:58 tenplus1        oh man, the cheesecake (and carrot cake) from costco rocks!
16:59 rubenwardy      my blender is broken and I don't have a rolling pin, so I just used a wine bottle and baking paper to make biscuit crumbs instead
16:59 rubenwardy      good start
16:59 tenplus1        hi T4im
17:00 tenplus1        overcome and adapt Ruben :P
17:00 tumeninodes     costco is in Britain? 0_o greedy buggers
17:00 tenplus1        ehehehe, I only go there for tp :P is way cheaper, but sometimes, just sometimes... cake!
17:00 tumeninodes     what he failed to mention... is he had to drink the wine first
17:00 rubenwardy      homemade cheesecake is so much better
17:00 rubenwardy      I don't drink wine
17:00 rubenwardy      it's one of my flatmates cooking wine
17:00 tenplus1        yeah, and drunken cheesecake is a surprise when it sets and you sober up to eat it
17:01 rubenwardy      the wine adds weight
17:01 VanessaE        drunken cheesecake? O_o
17:01 rubenwardy      I'm making it in tupperwear, and I'll freeze most of it
17:01 tumeninodes     ohhhhh so thats why everyone falls down when they drink it
17:01 tenplus1        I use to make a kick ass Rum Cake with crystal sugar topping...
17:01 shivajiva       maximise plastic molecules in it, good idea!
17:02 tumeninodes     Rum Cake! = Yum
17:02 tenplus1        lol tumeni, I read that as  Rum Cake != yum... ahahahaha, lua kicked in for a sec
17:03 tumeninodes     haha
17:03 tenplus1        oh man, I feel such a nerd
17:03 tumeninodes     can be rum cake... or rum & cake... all the same
17:03 tumeninodes     or just rum...
17:03 tenplus1        lol yeah...
17:03 tenplus1        I saw the new bee's for minecraft, they look cute
17:04 tumeninodes     some think they stole them from MTG
17:04 tumeninodes     unlikely
17:04 tenplus1        bees and hives are pretty good but not as cute :P mc kinda simplified things a lot
17:05 tumeninodes     wth is up with Hytale? Is it just a bunch of Hyhype?
17:05 tenplus1        mojangg did say they are decoding their code so that programmers can mod the game more easily and understand what's going on...
17:05 tenplus1        am looking forward to this so I can figure out how mobs work and make mobs redo better :P
17:05 tumeninodes     that would be nice... I'd sure like to know whats going on for once
17:06 tenplus1        yeah, reading the code just now is like a cryptic clue
17:06 tumeninodes     man... looking back at the log... when paramat comes by he's gonna have a seizure
17:07 tumeninodes     but... are they gonna charge for access to that decoded code ?
17:08 tenplus1        hi Krock
17:08 tumeninodes     hide the rum!!!
17:08 Krock           hi tenplus1
17:08 Krock           WOOOOSH
17:08 Krock           why's the rum gone?
17:08 tumeninodes     it's always gone
17:09 tenplus1        *hic*
17:09 tenplus1        wut ?
17:09 tumeninodes     00
17:09 Krock           aagh I was late again
17:09 Krock           no idea why. tumeninodes' message appeared like 5 secs later
17:09 tumeninodes     rubenwardy has cooking wine
17:09 tenplus1        krock has lag irl
17:10 Krock           yeah.. startup lag I guess
17:10 tumeninodes     joke lag
17:10 rubenwardy      I also have cooking wine, but not the bottle I use
17:10 rubenwardy      +d
17:10 Krock           you're implying my connection is drunk?
17:10 tumeninodes     just sayin
17:10 tumeninodes     and IRC has no sense of humor
17:11 tenplus1        hi DS-minetest :P
17:11 DS-minetest     huhu o/
17:11 Krock           protocols don't have any humor
17:11 tumeninodes     there's not gonna be enough of this cake to get a buzz from with all these people showing up :(
17:11 DS-minetest     why the ":P"?
17:12 * tenplus1      quickly knocks up some rum cake
17:12 tumeninodes     he's tipsy
17:12 tumeninodes     been doing :P for the past 20 minutes
17:12 Krock           hi
17:12 tumeninodes     it's just ten's rumface
17:12 tenplus1        that's not far off the truth tumeni
17:13 tumeninodes     ;)
17:13 DS-minetest     but tenplus1 is 11
17:13 tenplus1        unless I'm going to a party, then I'm 10 and my partner for the evening is my +1
17:13 tumeninodes     international alcohol laws
17:14 tumeninodes     wow... that was smooooth
17:14 tenplus1        hey aerozoic
17:14 tumeninodes     gahd dangit...
17:14 aerozoic        wazup tenplus1 :)
17:15 * tumeninodes   grabs another cake and just pours rum on it
17:15 tenplus1        lol
17:15 tumeninodes     it works
17:15 DS-minetest     wet cake
17:15 tenplus1        nothing much aerozoic, how';s ytou ?
17:16 tumeninodes     by the 2d piece you won;t even notice
17:16 rubenwardy      this is a really nice cup of tea
17:16 aerozoic        i'm doing fine
17:16 * tumeninodes   pours rum into rubenwardy's tea
17:16 tumeninodes     ... and then on rubenwardy
17:16 tumeninodes     rumwardy
17:16 rubenwardy      oh la la
17:17 tenplus1        rum shower
17:17 DS-minetest     *wine mixed with rum*
17:17 tumeninodes     rum wrestling
17:18 tumeninodes     wine mod could use some rum
17:18 tenplus1        what's rum made form ?
17:18 tenplus1        can always add
17:18 DS-minetest     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum
17:19 tenplus1        ooh ooh, we have player set velocity, can finally add staggering :DD
17:19 tumeninodes     DS-minetest, now that's just weird (pours rum on tenplus1)
17:19 Krock           wine calc.exe
17:19 tenplus1        sugarcane, noice... shame we cook it already to give suger
17:20 tumeninodes     increased lag can give a drunk/drugged effect
17:20 tenplus1        lol krock :P just got that
17:21 tenplus1        I do like Proton in Steam, can run sooooooo many windows games on linux
17:22 tumeninodes     https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton
17:22 DS-minetest     so, can we make rum out of papyrus?
17:23 tumeninodes     sure would be fun to try
17:23 tenplus1        why not :) if anyone can make a rum texture I'll add :D
17:23 tumeninodes     ... or deadly... you go first
17:23 tumeninodes     challenge accepted
17:24 tenplus1        the wine mod already has 6 or so drinks which are fun
17:24 tumeninodes     blueberry wine
17:25 tumeninodes     https://homebrewanswers.com/blueberry-wine-recipe/
17:25 DS-minetest     so, make some rummy thing out of papyrus and if the player drinks it, they die (such a fool, thinks one could use papyrus as sugar cane). => suicide drink
17:25 tenplus1        I should redo the wine barrel to hold an amount of fermented fluid and you add a glass to take it out 1 cup at a time :P
17:26 tenplus1        lol ds, farming redo cooks papyrus to make sugar (I pretend it's sugar cane)
17:26 tenplus1        maybe I could add actual sugarcane
17:26 tumeninodes     so... wy not just add... sugarcane?
17:26 tumeninodes     woops, nvm
17:26 tenplus1        ehehe
17:26 DS-minetest     why not add sugar beet?
17:26 tenplus1        ooh, googling
17:27 tumeninodes     where will it grow jungle, savannah?
17:27 tenplus1        grows anywhere according to wiki
17:27 tumeninodes     actually tenplus1... sfan5 was wondering a while back about making grow times differ between biomes
17:28 tumeninodes     you'd probably be best to tackle that
17:28 DS-minetest     and what if the biome was terraformed?
17:29 tumeninodes     ummmm
17:29 tumeninodes     terratimed?
17:29 tumeninodes     xD
17:29 DS-minetest     sugar cane grows in subtropical and tropical climate - german wikipedia
17:29 tenplus1        was thinking of having different light levels and surrounding water affect growth
17:30 tumeninodes     there are other factors... like tempurature
17:30 DS-minetest     and soil quality
17:30 tumeninodes     did I just spell that wrong? 0_o
17:30 DS-minetest     yep
17:30 tumeninodes     yes.. that too
17:30 tenplus1        very true... 5.0 has get_temp and get_humidity and get_biome so it can all be looked at
17:31 tumeninodes     +1
17:31 tenplus1        currently farming redo has a custom growth function that can be used per crop (I use for cocoa) to do custom checks for biome etc
17:31 * DS-minetest   remembers having seen crazy temperatures at F5 info
17:31 tumeninodes     ... showoff
17:32 tenplus1        https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/farming/src/master/crops/cocoa.lua#L156
17:32 tumeninodes     (spelling temperature correctly)
17:32 tenplus1        lol, I like adding functions it seems :)
17:32 tenplus1        the builtin_item has one also for special functions, and also falling_nodes
17:35 tumeninodes     need to step out... bbl \o
17:35 tenplus1        o//
17:36 tenplus1        oh wait, is wuzzy's dropped item being forced out of solid node pull gonna get added ?
17:37 sfan5           > sfan5 was wondering a while back about making grow times differ between biomes
17:37 sfan5           well it doesn't literally need to be the biome
17:37 tenplus1        hey sfan5
17:37 sfan5           but e.g. having crops grow slower on less suitable farming ground
17:38 DS-minetest     i think, sfan5's adoption of the PR is merged
17:38 tenplus1        checking temp/humidity would help in that case but a terraformed biome would give weird results as mentioned
17:40 sfan5           terraforming a place does not change its climate in real life either
17:40 tenplus1        oh yeah, so it is :) am gonna have to add it to builtin_item mod at some point, the routine I'm using is too simple and not as effective :PPP
17:42 tenplus1        that's true sfan, so heat and humidity as well as light levels would make for ideal growth checks, and wiki can supply the min/max levels for each to make things a little more realistic :)
17:42 DS-minetest     terraforming wasn't yet done in a big enough scale in real life yet
17:43 tenplus1        laters folks :) thanks for the chat o/
17:44 DS-minetest     bye 11
17:44 Krock           depending on how much CO2 and heat you emit, the climate might change a bit
17:45 Krock           but in general, not in particular for that region
18:33 BuckarooBanzai  Mapgen gone wrong: https://i.imgur.com/AymlOdT.png
18:34 Krock           looks right to me
18:35 Krock           now flip that onto the X/Z axis rather than Y upwards
18:36 Krock           the X/Z perlin indexing went wrong there as well, since the pattern is non-continuous over multiple mapblocks
18:37 Krock           note that 2D maps use X and Y, nor X and Z
18:37 Krock           *not
18:38 BuckarooBanzai  yeah, i know my mapgen-fu, just aligned the 2D-perlin to the wrong axis :/
18:41 Krock           rubenwardy: colors are stripped from signatures? works fine here, so it must be more recent than a year?
18:48 BuckarooBanzai  Krock: much better: https://i.imgur.com/oCXc8rQ.png :D
18:50 Krock           yet another episode of Unsolved Mysteries Of Plants Growing In Weird Places
18:50 Krock           I thought dirt was unstable, unsuitable to stick on the top?
18:56 BuckarooBanzai  ehrm.... how about "magic" :)
18:56 BuckarooBanzai  no, i was too lazy to check for air beneath the dirt nodes, maybe i'll add that some other time...
19:53 VanessaE        um, wut?  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/p5Nf6zcBBh/
19:53 VanessaE        wtf does that mean in English? :)
19:56 rubenwardy      It crashed when trying to send a packet
19:57 BuckarooBanzai0 VanessaE: latest master?
19:57 VanessaE        nah, not "latest".  it's at commit 95a37efc (June 15) at the moment
19:58 BuckarooBanzai0 oh, ok. there were a few network refactoring commits in the last weeks...
20:02 VanessaE        I can't say I've seen it crash that way before; usually an engine crash - when they happen, which isn't too often - just ends up as an "unexplained" segfault on mine.
20:05 Krock           backtrace
20:12 BuckarooBanzai0 VanessaE: hehe, i get those segfaults too once or twice a week. Pretty useful to get updates into the server ;)