Time Nick Message 06:27 Ganome i am just learning how to GitHub, so nothing i have done was branched and i apologize. I put a blanket MIT license on it, becaue i read it was for the people. I can switch the license if need be. I have updated tons of deprecated calls in plugins such as "nssm, unified inventory, removed the farming hoe from tool ranks (circular dependency), 'tnt_max_height =' in minetest.conf thanks jsnake, xdecor, builtin_item,thelongroad(?) 06:27 Ganome ,among others" - REPO available at https://github.com/Ganome/OPSkyBlock 06:28 Ganome ps there is no skyblock plugin in my skyblock modpack yet 06:32 Ganome there might still be some depracated methods in the code, i have fixed everything that has popped up in my console in the past few days 12:39 IhrFussel nerzhul, http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2019-03-27#i_5519396 12:40 IhrFussel The PR is marked HIGH PRIORITY and was added as 5.0.1 milestone...don't only look at 'Blocker' label 12:41 IhrFussel You should probably think about a dev-internal list for important PRs to backport so that you don't miss any ... cause once a PR is already merged to master it is extremely easy to just forget about it when it has not been added to the 5.0.1 issue yet 12:42 sfan5 WE WILL NOT FORGET TO BACKPORT THIS PR 12:42 sfan5 stop mentioning it every 5 minutes 12:42 sfan5 geez 12:43 IhrFussel Tell that to nerzhul who claimed that no PRs are left for the bugfix release! 12:43 IhrFussel Didn't even read the previous day in the IRC log probably 12:46 IhrFussel By now I already know that the server owners are NOT the #1 priority to some core devs (not name calling here) when it comes to things to include into bugfix releases 12:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome 12:46 sfan5 i'm not sure what you are referring to here 12:47 atorian37 o/ I am looking for a mod to save the spawn place against mining in a server and when the player tries to mine anyway, he will loose health. Does anyone know a mod for that? 12:47 IhrFussel That certain core devs or engine contributors (cause not all of the people I remember are actually core devs) would rather release a rushed experience than a safe-to-use-on-servers one 12:49 IhrFussel And when server owners complain about bugfix release X not containing something important to fight cheating for example then they are told 'wait for the next bugfix release to upgrade' 12:49 IhrFussel or upgrade* 12:51 IhrFussel I'm not trying to start an argument here... I simply learned to rather remember the devs multiples times on something important than to just be patient and having stuff missing later 12:53 IhrFussel I sounded probably a bit aggressive up there...but that is cause I felt like he ignored my messages in -dev from last night and was like 'no PRs left to backport, let's release finally!' 12:59 IhrFussel My server turns 3 YEARS in a little over 1 month and I simply care for my players... I put a lot of effort, time and power into managing and improving my server... so I urgently need a stable and secure gameplay ... not more and not less 13:02 IhrFussel And although I still run my server on 0.4.17.1 right now I DO plan to upgrade to 5.X in the near future... and I would love to have a really good version to upgrade to 13:04 IhrFussel When the mobile apps decide to upgrade cheating will also be possible on 5.X servers just like now ... preventing that would require moving client stuff entirely server side which will cost time and (likely) server performance 13:06 IhrFussel And pretty much every PR that attempted to move player physics to the server side were deemed unusable 13:17 nerzhul i claim the bugfix release is okay we can do more bugfixes later 13:33 IhrFussel So you think it is OKAY to release a 'bugfix' release that contains a bug which allows an exploit that can fake any log entries?? 14:01 nerzhul is this a regression in stable-5 (5.0.1 staged commits) ? or is that present in 5.0.0 too ? 14:01 nerzhul if it's a regression in our 5.0.1 branch, it needs to be fixed, if it's present in 5.0.0 it's not blocking the release, it's not the only bug we must fix 14:02 nerzhul we must stop to wait for a bug which is not fixed in 3 weeks and release what is ready in a bugfix branch 14:02 IhrFussel rubenwardy and sfan5 confirmed it to be backported 14:02 IhrFussel It was added to 5.0.1 milestone so talk to the dev who added it to it 14:03 IhrFussel Is your goal actually to create a SAFE environment for servers and players? You only seem to care mostly about code quality and SP 14:04 nerzhul my goal is to publish ready fixes asap 14:04 nerzhul sp ? 14:04 IhrFussel Singleplayer 14:04 nerzhul i don't look at singleplayer, for me mt is multiplayer :) 14:05 IhrFussel Nobody knows when 5.0.2 will release... if you keep this bug in 5.0.1 more people will learn about it possibly abuse it on servers... that is irresponsible if you ask me 14:06 IhrFussel and possibly abuse it* 15:32 Fixer why people even spam in irc these days... 16:47 BillyS IhrFussel: By the way, there is already a bug that allows creating fake log entries. Another exploit is annoying, but it's not a critical issue as it's already there. Furthermore, it's FOSS. Pay the devs if you want to tell them what they need to do. 16:52 IhrFussel I already explained why the 'pay us' line is old and inaprropriate...when they decided to become core devs they most likely knew that they need to put their available work time into MT dev for free...there was no contract that told them otherwise 16:52 IhrFussel And either you do something with passion or you don't do it at all...that's how I see it 16:53 IhrFussel I also didn't say that they need to do 'what i say' but the most logical way for development in this case would be to ensure stability AND security on all levels 16:54 IhrFussel So fixing a long known exploit should be very high on the list of priorities when discussing bugfix releases which are supposed to fix exactly those exploits 16:57 IhrFussel If the PR didn't already exist now things would be different... but this is just a question about 'what do we need to backport from master' 16:58 BillyS Ah, okay. 16:59 twoelk so a coder comes along and says I know about x and would have joy helpping there and in jumps IhrFussel and yells stop and rather do what is important and if you don't know that part of code then better learn it and serve and maybe if you are effective enough you might return to that part of unimportant code that lured you into minetest in the first place :D (take with lots of grains of salt) 16:59 IhrFussel And as you can see some core devs would rather 'rush' out those releases without thinking about delaying for some more important fixes ... and server owners then are the stupid ones who have to deal with those exploits 17:01 sfan5 there is no "waiting" for fixes 17:01 sfan5 the fixes are already there 17:02 IhrFussel Just going by logic it makes absolutely no sense to run a public MT server if you already KNOW since release that the version you run contains one or more well-known exploits people can use to ruin gameplay 17:02 sfan5 if we had enough coredevs with free time yesterday, 5.0.1 would already be release *including* that fix 17:18 BillyS Really if you see an issue with the game you could always submit a PR 17:20 twoelk there probably are enough PR but not enough devs to review them fast enough for live servers problems 17:20 tenplus1 hi folks :) 17:20 twoelk o/ 17:21 tenplus1 o/ twoelk :) 17:21 tenplus1 updated carts fork with latest changes :) 17:29 * twoelk is tired from writing lots of technical text today 17:29 tenplus1 ouch, what did you write about ? 17:31 twoelk heat and smoke extraction systems for industrial plants :-P 17:31 twoelk exiting stuff if your into such, otherwise probably deadly boring 17:33 tenplus1 wow, technical documentation indeed :P 17:33 * twoelk for some wierd reason enjoys the math to it though 17:34 tenplus1 gets ya thinking :D 17:34 tenplus1 wuzzy is asking for 'creative' priv per player in github, had that in my creative fork for over a year already 17:40 * twoelk waves o/ and drives home 17:58 * sofar imagines twoelk writing lyrical about a big, very big, the biggest, fan 17:58 tenplus1 heh 18:00 sofar "It'll blow you away" 18:03 tenplus1 brb, testing summit 18:29 Ganome i dont know if this is mod related, or where to report it?? 18:31 Ganome 2019-03-28 02:14:52: WARNING[Server]: ScriptApiBase::objectrefGetOrCreate(): Pushing ObjectRef to removed/deactivated object, this is probably a bug. 18:31 Ganome 2019-03-28 02:14:52: WARNING[Server]: ScriptApiBase::objectrefGetOrCreate(): Pushing ObjectRef to removed/deactivated object, this is probably a bug. 18:32 Ganome sorry for double post - thats also the second time that has popped up in my logs 19:03 Sokomine tenplus1: doesn't creative priv work anyway? my handle_schematics mod uses it. it worked pretty well in wuzzys mcl2 with the creative priv 19:13 rubenwardy the creative priv sucks 19:13 rubenwardy because it changes state too 19:13 rubenwardy ie: makes you dig faster, limits things to 1 19:17 Sokomine oh, does it? since when? hmpf! 19:18 Sokomine then we need to rename it (the useful priv i mean - the one used in ui, my mod and perhaps other mods) 19:19 Sokomine some things in my tests worlds where indeed strange. might be that creative priv now working diffrently :-( whoever maintains ui (vanessae?): we need a new name for the priv then 19:23 VanessaE not me. 19:45 Sokomine ah, but you introduced me to it. so you're responsible :) 20:18 DI3HARD139 @sfan5 can you try pinging sv2.gn.krynet.pw again? 20:25 sfan5 DI3HARD139: ping works, minetest doesn't; as before 20:26 DI3HARD139 Ok. so we are getting somewhere. Flushed iptables and reset ufw. There isn't a MT server at that address. One moment 20:32 DI3HARD139 Can you try joining sv2.gn.krynet.pw port 48000 20:32 DI3HARD139 or port 48999 20:33 rubenwardy !up sv2.gn.krynet.pw 48000 20:34 MinetestBot sv2.gn.krynet.pw:48000 seems to be down 20:35 DI3HARD139 *changes dns servers* 20:35 sfan5 !up 66.70.181.119 48000 20:35 MinetestBot 66.70.181.119:48000 seems to be down 20:35 sfan5 you are wasting your time changing dns servers 20:36 DI3HARD139 Reinstall it is! 20:38 sfan5 one thing: how many ethernet ports does your server have? 20:39 DI3HARD139 I believe 1. lemme double check that 20:42 DI3HARD139 1 1Gbe (I210) 20:43 sfan5 right, can't be an issue with that then 20:54 DI3HARD139 !up sv2.gn.krynet.pw 20:54 MinetestBot sv2.gn.krynet.pw:30000 seems to be down 20:54 DI3HARD139 !up sv2.gn.krynet.pw:48000 20:54 MinetestBot sv2.gn.krynet.pw:48000 seems to be down 20:54 DI3HARD139 *checks the network map* 20:58 DI3HARD139 !up sv2.gn.krynet.pw:48000 20:58 MinetestBot sv2.gn.krynet.pw:48000 seems to be down 20:58 DI3HARD139 Thats it I give. 23:37 IhrFussel How many times do I have to tell my players that this weird map stalling issue is NOT server lag?? 23:37 IhrFussel I already tell them that REAL server lag halts everything and not just the map 23:40 calcul0n well, big boys never read the rules and never listen to admins :p 23:40 calcul0n seems to be a common rule on minetest 23:41 IhrFussel I guess they automtically call everything 'lag' when it stops working for some reason 23:41 calcul0n yep, probably 23:42 IhrFussel All I know is that certain app users make the map load slower and slower... and at some point (like when 20 or 25 app users are connected) the map just stalls UNTIL an app user leaves 23:42 IhrFussel As soon as an app user leaves the map loads again 23:43 IhrFussel So some mobile clients are likely very badly coded and manage to ruin the gameplay for the others 23:43 calcul0n hu, that's weird 23:44 IhrFussel I already made quite a few videos showcasing it...one sec 23:45 IhrFussel Here https://ihrfussels-server.de/stall4.mp4 23:45 IhrFussel You clearly see that the chat and mobs work 23:47 calcul0n yes, i've seen that many times on other servers 23:47 IhrFussel Here a shorter clip (watch the chat) https://ihrfussels-server.de/stall5.mp4 23:47 IhrFussel As soon as the random name leaves map is back to normal 23:49 calcul0n i see 23:50 calcul0n iirc some servers just forbid names ending with 3 digits because of these crappy apps 23:50 IhrFussel 3rd proof https://ihrfussels-server.de/stall10.mp4