Time  Nick       Message
00:23 rubenwardy https://0fps.net/2018/03/03/a-level-of-detail-method-for-blocky-voxels/
00:27 VanessaE   rubenwardy: so get celeron55 to dust off his farmap code and fix it.....
00:28 VanessaE   (though that guy's technique looks like it may be better)
08:51 ANAND      From a reply to that article: SeaOfMemes has used another technique called bounding box to implement LOD, which is much better suited to voxel games than the technique described in the article
08:51 ANAND      Here's an article on their bounding box implementation: http://www.sea-of-memes.com/LetsCode67/LetsCode67.html
12:21 tenplus1   hi folks :)
12:25 Calinou    rubenwardy: 0fps is nice because it uses the GIF I recorded here :P https://0fps.net/2013/07/03/ambient-occlusion-for-minecraft-like-worlds/
12:25 tenplus1   hi Calinou
12:26 tenplus1   interestinglink
12:29 tenplus1   how's the performance hit though ?
12:32 tenplus1   hi Rafi
12:39 tenplus1   o/ xenon
12:39 _Xenon     Hey tenplus1
12:43 Rafi59     Hi tenplus1
12:44 tenplus1   hrm, seems leafdecay doesn't wanna work with my sakura's... can anyone see anything unusual:https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/ethereal/commit/03df3ab59cf9985a428d5a6606f6d6aad7d425ae
13:25 tenplus1   sofar: you around ?
14:03 tenplus1   hi fussel
14:04 IhrFussel  Why does register_on_dignode() TRIGGER when in reality the position is protected??
14:04 IhrFussel  I thought the protection check would run BEFORE any node dig callback is called
14:04 tenplus1   the protection is called on_dig
14:04 tenplus1   hold on, lemmie check more
14:05 IhrFussel  I have an event on my server that tells players to dig a certain node on the map ... and a player was able to get multiple rewards by digging a protected position
14:06 IhrFussel  Great now I need to add protection checks to those callbacks
14:06 tenplus1   minetest.is_protected only returns a true/false value for player and position, the on_dig section is in default it seems
14:06 tenplus1   hi Hillbilly
14:09 IhrFussel  So on_dignode() gets called before the protection check in default/builtin?
14:09 lumberJ    hey tenplus1
14:10 tenplus1   hey lumberj
14:10 tenplus1   as far as I know the node is dug then protection check then returned back to norm if protected
14:10 IhrFussel  That sounds inefficient to me
14:10 tenplus1   the special node you have on your server may require a minetest.is_protected() check in there someplace as well
14:10 tenplus1   buckets, beds, doors etc. all use the is_protected check as well
14:10 lumberJ    either i'm thick or minetest_mods/simplecrafting_lib's furnace api isn't quite working
14:11 tenplus1   but yeah, inneficient
14:11 tenplus1   never used that mod lumber
14:11 lumberJ    both are possiblities actually^ P
14:11 IhrFussel  So the engine actually already removed the node from the map and THEN the server remembers to check if the position was even protected and if yes the server readds the missing node
14:12 lumberJ    doesn't seem to be used much though it looks like it has a lot of potential for folks that want to get away from the crafting grid way
14:12 tenplus1   checking engine for protection reference
14:14 tenplus1   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/5560ec8178053b27adac6f277f539975d46267b8/builtin/game/item.lua#L543
14:15 tenplus1   hi src
14:16 tenplus1   seems it does a protection check at the start of the dig function and the callbacks only when it's gone
14:16 tenplus1   what version of minetest you running fussel ?
14:17 IhrFussel  0.4.17.1 ... register_on_dignode() gets definitely called on protected nodes
14:17 IhrFussel  That's what I know
14:18 tenplus1   so weird, going by the code it shouldn't get that far... I dont get it
14:20 tenplus1   you could add an after_dig() function to the node to check for protection and if none found give player the award
14:20 tenplus1   would help :)
14:22 IhrFussel  I cannot do that cause then I would have to add that to lots of nodes... what I basically do is checking in register_on_dignode() against a list of allowed nodes
14:22 tenplus1   we may need a dev to check this is suppose to happen
14:22 tenplus1   might be a bug
14:26 tenplus1   then again, it may be fixed in 5.0dev
14:34 tenplus1   o/ calcul0n
14:43 lumberJ    submitted an issue re the issue with simplecrafting_lib. hopefully there is some useful info there so someone smarter than me can quickly spot the problem :D
14:43 tenplus1   link me to the issue page
14:45 tenplus1   hi twoelk
14:45 twoelk     o/
14:46 lumberJ    tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest-mods/simplecrafting_lib/issues/1
14:46 tenplus1   thanks :D
14:46 lumberJ    thank you for taking a look, and being subtle about asserting you are smarter than me ;)
14:47 tenplus1   I'm not smart, just a different set of eyes
14:47 twoelk     seen you have been playing with pink trees ;-P
14:47 tenplus1   a few players on server requested Sakura's to be added, took ages to do the textures, but now leafdecay isnt working for them... pah!
14:47 lumberJ    i kid. thanks for taking a peek though
14:48 twoelk     didn't the red trees mod have some?
14:48 lumberJ    tenplus1 are you reworking sakura from redtrees or something completely different?
14:48 tenplus1   did they ? havent looked at that mod
14:48 tenplus1   I just added from scratch because I was asked by a few players in forum
14:48 lumberJ    i have extracted it and am reworking it. leaf_decay was broke there too.
14:49 lumberJ    if i recall, you just need to make a leaf_decay = 1 group
14:49 twoelk     I think I saw a version by Gael somewhere in my archives
14:49 lumberJ    and then there is some registration method in default
14:49 tenplus1   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14638&hilit=ethereal+ng&start=100#p343506
14:49 tenplus1   wn fussel
14:50 tenplus1   added the group, just seems to be flakey... works fine with ethereals birch tree's, but sakura's dont seem to decay: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/ethereal/commit/03df3ab59cf9985a428d5a6606f6d6aad7d425ae
14:51 lumberJ    let me see if i can find my implementation
14:59 twoelk     hmm, seems all redtree code got deleted :(  someone should readd a cleaned version
15:00 tenplus1   what else did it add ?
15:01 lumberJ    i may have an original in one of my backups. i pretty much only downloaded it to rework the sakura
15:01 tenplus1   do you have a github page ?
15:02 lumberJ    tenplus1, your implementation looks right as far as i can tell
15:02 lumberJ    not sure why it wouldn't work
15:02 lumberJ    unless the radius is off or something like that
15:02 tenplus1   yet when I chop all the wood it doesnt do a thing...  hrmmmm...  *deep thought*
15:03 lumberJ    if you are asking me, i do have a github, but i haven't put anything recent on it--have become a bit of a code hermit :P
15:04 tenplus1   lol, I store everythign there just-in-case :P
15:04 tenplus1   my 3rd backup
15:05 lumberJ    i don't have backups in 3 places, so i'm not too worried. a fire would be about the only thing that might do me in
15:05 * twoelk   studies his copy of redtrees searching for code not belonging there
15:05 lumberJ    but if that happens minetest mods would probably be the least of my worries
15:05 tenplus1   very true
15:05 lumberJ    how are you likeing notabug?
15:05 lumberJ    do you miss any features from github?
15:06 tenplus1   love it :) very fast, simple layout, does everything I ask :D
15:07 twoelk     does it read your mind yet :D
15:07 tenplus1   only when I sleep :D
15:10 twoelk     duh, no attachements in forum pm?
15:10 tenplus1   o.O trying to follow simplecrafting_lib code, it's all over
15:11 lumberJ    yeah, its a bit wiggly
15:11 lumberJ    the premade formspecs are nice though
15:11 tenplus1   does he actually register the furnace and autocrafter ? I dont see it
15:12 lumberJ    no it just provides the backend basically
15:12 lumberJ    formspec, processing actual craft
15:12 tenplus1   that's a tad silly, should be a debug function to enable those to play with
15:12 lumberJ    you have to use the api to tie in the items to the mod
15:12 lumberJ    yeah, that would be nice to have a basic default example of each built in type
15:13 tenplus1   some things seem to get over-complicated
15:13 tenplus1   but hey, if that's how he works :P
15:13 lumberJ    agreed, i spent hours trying to debug. finally got to the point where i just couldn't anymore
15:14 tenplus1   this is why Hoppers mod is forked :)
15:14 * tenplus1 prefers his overly simple version
15:15 lumberJ    the issues seems to be that the on_timer function tied to the furnace node timer only gets called once if a product is not produced. but i couldn't see any easy way to fix that without rewriting a chunk of how the mod works
15:16 lumberJ    it would really be nice to have a better furnace implementation, which this would be...if it worked :P
15:16 tenplus1   yeah, I do like the idea of 2x input, 2x fuel and 4x output with maybe an overspill for buckets/vessels
15:16 tenplus1   then we could properly smelt things
15:17 lumberJ    exactly
15:17 tenplus1   the current implementation of my PigIron mod requires intermediate crafting from iron to steel
15:18 tenplus1   archive is empty ?!?!
15:19 tenplus1   hi entuland
15:19 twoelk     ???? let me try again (stupid ftp)
15:20 twoelk     try again
15:20 entuland   hello there
15:20 tenplus1   yay, works now
15:21 twoelk     phew
15:21 lumberJ    hey entuland, was just thinking about you yesterday
15:22 tenplus1   ooh, you have doors added for sakura :D
15:22 twoelk     not from me :)
15:23 twoelk     I can't remember wether spawning worked in that version correctly though
15:24 lumberJ    tenplus, about the leafdecay issue. is it possible you are testing on trees that were placed before you implemented the leafdecay?
15:24 twoelk     do doublecheck for wierd code though
15:24 tenplus1   I grow the trees on a test world as I need them, lemmie double check
15:25 twoelk     (and weird spelling)
15:26 twoelk     <hint> would be nice if a fixed version got published again
15:26 tenplus1   nope, still the same... spelling is ok...
15:28 lumberJ    tenplus: have your schemas been updated since implementation?
15:28 tenplus1   I added a new schem for the white flower sakura since mt caches schems and wouldnt do a proper replace feature
15:29 tenplus1   but in digging the sakura_tree node it should run the on_dig function that the leafdecay puts into effect and search for nearby tree, if not found decays the leaves
15:29 entuland   what about, lumberJ?
15:29 twoelk     sounds like interesting multicolored trees
15:29 lumberJ    was thinking about putting your Rhotator mod to use in a game i'm working on
15:30 tenplus1   they appear in the biome all pink, but a 1 in 10 chance of growing a white sakura :D
15:30 entuland   that would be very nice of you, lumberJ
15:30 lumberJ    nice of you to make the mod :P
15:30 entuland   my pleasure, it was mostly a selfish thrust there to be honest :P
15:31 lumberJ    tenplus1 you could test it if you manually place the trunks and leaves around them and then cut the trunks
15:31 lumberJ    then you would know it was the schemas if that works
15:32 lumberJ    i think..unless there is something on the on_place that prevents that
15:32 tenplus1   tried that also :) pink and white leaves
15:32 lumberJ    so it also doesn't work for the newer white sakura schema?
15:33 lumberJ    thats definitely odd
15:34 twoelk     the sakura wants to survive
15:34 twoelk     maybe it's a relative of sapient pearwood?
15:35 tenplus1   yup, hardy tree :D
15:35 tenplus1   I'll convert the schem file to a table format, then I can control everything a little more easily :) m,ight help
15:35 lumberJ    yeah, i usually prefer to do that even though theres probably a loss loading the mod
15:36 lumberJ    but its easier to tweak on the fly
15:36 tenplus1   I store ethereal's tree schems in the global so I can add, place, tweak by replacements...
15:36 tenplus1   schem files are weird for now as a file
15:38 * twoelk   imagines looking up and seeing lumberJ fluttering around a pink tree and tweaking it on the fly
15:38 lumberJ    i wear my fairy costume for that
15:39 tenplus1   hehehe
15:39 twoelk     ooh matching the color of the leaves?
15:39 tenplus1   wowser, 291byte schem file to 32kb .lua...  time to edit :DDD
15:43 lumberJ    exactly, twoelk. helps me remain unseen
15:45 * twoelk   tries to focus his imaginedcamera
15:51 tenplus1   sweet, 36kb down to 1.8kb :)
16:00 twoelk     I wonder if it would be interesting to be able to change the color of an allready standing tree - like add expensive fertilizer to pink tree to change leafcolor to white
16:01 tenplus1   magical fertilizer mod :D coloured tree leaves... nice
16:02 twoelk     but then the fertilizer would have to check wich leaves nearby punched trunk to effect ... hm
16:02 tenplus1   could check the leafdecay value of the trunk and only work within that radius
16:03 twoelk     sounds like fun
16:04 tenplus1   yaaaaaay! sakura schem table works perfectly and with leaf replacements :) can delete .mts files
16:04 tenplus1   testing leafdecay
16:05 tenplus1   -.- works perfectly now... da faq is up with schem .mts files
16:09 lumberJ    there they go
16:16 tenplus1   Ethereal NG git page updated, now using table schems instead of files, all works well :D
16:23 lumberJ    lovely
16:24 tenplus1   :PP
16:25 lumberJ    i bet you feel all anxious right now with nothing to fix
16:25 lumberJ    what will you break next?
16:26 tenplus1   hehe, will think of something, until another request pops into the forums :D
16:26 tenplus1   andrey01 keeps asking for mobs with heads that move independently... not as easy as it looks
16:27 tenplus1   wb scr267
16:27 scr267     ty tenplus1
16:27 twoelk     so only sakura doors missing :D
16:28 lumberJ    lol, like heads spinning around like in the exorcist?
16:28 tenplus1   he wants it to be more like minecraft...
16:28 twoelk     actually I would love that - it adds a lot
16:29 lumberJ    tell him you need some of that microsoft money to make it happen
16:29 tenplus1   we have japanese panels in ethereal, would be nice to make sakura doors to go with them :D
16:29 scr267     tenplus1: I don't remember seeing those... Is that a new addition?
16:29 tenplus1   they';ve been in ethereal for a long time now...
16:29 twoelk     would the head have to be an extra entity attached to the body or do we use bones?
16:30 tenplus1   they are called paper walls tho :D
16:30 * twoelk   can't remember any mobs using rigged bones in mt
16:30 tenplus1   yeah, each mob would need an animated body and a static head with a different yaw/roll
16:30 scr267     Hum, I'll have to double check that.... I have ethereal on my server
16:31 tenplus1   the playeranim mod does it well for the player, but looks laggy, which is why i'm hesitant  to do it for every single mob
16:32 twoelk     no ragdoll code done for irrlicht or in lua we could canibalize?
16:34 tenplus1   irrlicht can do a LOT more than what minetest uses it for :D
16:38 tenplus1   would be so nice to have a physics style engine in there :) so many fancy effects with dropped items and mining
16:55 tenplus1   :P it could possibly be done
16:56 tenplus1   mind you I turn all the effects off for higher fps gain :P
16:57 tenplus1   dynamic lighting would look so nice if someone did minetest videos on youtube tho :D
17:03 tenplus1   time for coffee :P
17:04 * twoelk   looks at empty pot and agrees
17:06 tenplus1   *le sip*
17:07 lumberJ    alright, next crafting mod on the chopping block: rw's crafting
17:07 tenplus1   heh
17:19 tenplus1   ehehe
17:19 tenplus1   mary poppins style
17:19 tenplus1   hi Unarelith
17:19 Unarelith  hi tenplus1 o/
17:19 tenplus1   :P
17:19 Unarelith  :)
17:20 twoelk     hm I might suggest an poppinsy umbrella as new tool to my boss - just to watch his face
17:20 tenplus1   would make for a good parachute replacement on server :D
17:21 twoelk     only if you add a nice animation
17:21 tenplus1   nuuuuu, more textures to draw :P lol
17:22 * twoelk   starts humming old poppinsy tunes
17:23 twoelk     <sigh>feed the birds
17:23 scr267     I think I posted this comment in the wrong channel:
17:23 scr267     tenplus1: I just installed the latest version of ethereal.  Looks great! :)
17:23 tenplus1   thanks dude :P
17:23 tenplus1   I still have some biome tweaking to do, but sakura's work now at least :D
17:24 twoelk     and the kite song, little lesser known jewells
17:25 tenplus1   spoonful or sugar... mwhehe
17:27 twoelk     looooong time ago my mother broke her wooden spoon on my bum - but I let a fire get out of control that burnt a somewhat larger hillside
17:28 tenplus1   eek
17:28 tenplus1   she must have been mad
17:29 twoelk     I guess I deserved it - can't remember any pain though, just how bad I felt at burning  my forest playground
17:29 tenplus1   do you still set fires in minetest ? :P
17:30 twoelk     who me? couldn't be!
17:30 tenplus1   lolz... was gonna enable fire spreading on server, but woudl need to add water florbs for players to toss at it so they can put it out again
17:31 twoelk     fire is a perfect way to freeze a server
17:31 tenplus1   I have a /fire [on|off] command built into Fire Redo :D
17:32 twoelk     sounds interesting for some edutest version
17:32 tenplus1   gotta add failsafes where you can...  same with /border command to lock new players out
17:44 Fixer      tenplus1: any news on mobs dying in water? ._.
17:44 tenplus1   hi Fixer, mobs_animal and mobs_npc were changed so they no longer drown
17:44 Fixer      tenplus1: nice, ty! biggest annoyance fixed
17:45 tenplus1   and special tool attacks added to somemonsters (pick does more damage to stone monsters, axe to tree monsters and shovel for sand)
17:47 tenplus1   bugs ?
17:49 Fixer      yeah, he reports tons of bugs, very productive person
17:49 tenplus1   lolol, was wondering :D
17:50 tenplus1   damage groups for damage_per_second is a good idea though, especially if it works for entities also :D
17:50 xerox123   hello ppl o/
17:50 tenplus1   hey xerox :P
17:50 xerox123   pretty average thursday
17:50 xerox123   no school this week so yay
17:51 tenplus1   so a gaming thursday ?
17:54 * tenplus1 toys with upgrading to Plasma 5.15
17:55 xerox123   lie around and do nothing thursday
17:56 tenplus1   :)
17:59 rdococ     I can't seem to connect to xeroxirc
18:00 tenplus1   jp's latest craftguide release seems to be a lot faster :) nice
18:00 rdococ     jp?
18:01 tenplus1   kilarin
18:01 tenplus1   oops, kilbith :D
18:02 tenplus1   https://github.com/minetest-mods/craftguide/issues/56
18:13 lumberJ    on Plasma these days tenplus1?
18:13 tenplus1   Kubuntu 19.04 is on my main desktop :) it's really good and surprisingly low memory footprint
18:13 tenplus1   smaller than Xubuntu
18:14 lumberJ    yeah, they've done a lot to improve it.
18:15 tenplus1   boots into 280mb memory usage :) I like that... shame about nvidia binaries though taking up so much memory
18:15 tenplus1   sticking with noveau for now
18:15 lumberJ    i ran it a little a couple versions back. its not my cup of tea but I still appreciate good work
18:15 lumberJ    yeah, next time i hop, i might run noveau for bit just to see how i get on with it
18:16 lumberJ    nouveau*
18:16 tenplus1   I like how you can alternate between task bars, start menu's and many theme and settings
18:16 lumberJ    lately i've been on an awesomewm kick
18:16 tenplus1   tried that, was fun :) also IceWM for simplicity
18:17 tenplus1   gnome3 sucks though
18:17 lumberJ    yeah, not really a gnome fan either. i could see it on a tablet maybe
18:17 lumberJ    but not my workflow for a pc
18:19 lumberJ    IceWM on antiX?
18:20 tenplus1   IceWM on ubuntu :) is tiny, 128mb desktop and has ncie features built in
18:22 tenplus1   my 18 year old laptop uses it so I have memoryu leftover to run minetest on it :D
18:29 * tenplus1 feels that spreading dirt abm could be expanded to other blocks using {spreadable} group and spreadable_to = {"node1", "node2"}, in definitions
18:33 lumberJ    spreading dirt w/ grass you mean? or are you referring to something else?
18:33 tenplus1   yeah, spreading dirt with grass...  the abm could be expanded for more, like mossy cobble in caverealms etc
18:33 tenplus1   instead of running 2 different abms :)
18:33 tenplus1   since 5.0 is already breaking compatibility anyhoo
18:51 twoelk     darn, whats the name for purple in mt-code lingo?
18:51 tenplus1   violet ?
18:51 tenplus1   magenta ?
18:52 rubenwardy #551a8b
18:52 tenplus1   lol, hi ruben
18:53 twoelk     hm, allready using magenta, lets investigate violet
18:54 twoelk     I really though I had all my flower colors covered months ago
18:54 tenplus1   doesnt 5.0 supply allthe dye's using flowers and other items ?
18:55 tenplus1   report it, dont feed the fire
18:56 luk3yx     "This post has already been reported.", hehe
18:56 tenplus1   so many trolls about :)
18:58 twoelk     indeed game_api.txt lists no purple, so violet it is
18:59 tenplus1   hi ssieb
18:59 ssieb      hi
19:07 tenplus1   hrm, a paintball mod would be handy for shooting dye at blocks that can handle paramn colouring, and leaves would be nice also
19:10 twoelk     wasn't there some sort of airbrush mod?
19:11 tenplus1   yeah, but it paints 1 block at a time :) paintball could splat a larger area :DD
19:13 tenplus1   am sure there's plenty :) heh
19:14 tenplus1   every few weeks a bundle appear
19:14 luk3yx     Same poster as the last one
19:14 twoelk     aw, don't punish for beeing a noob - we all started there
19:15 luk3yx     twoelk: I don't mean newbies
19:15 luk3yx     I meant a racist post
19:15 tenplus1   ouch
19:15 luk3yx     https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/065ffd88-4320-4c63-939b-5039e4d2650a.png
19:16 twoelk     then noob might be the wrong category
19:16 tenplus1   tut tut, so reported
19:17 twoelk     I wonder how the nubians feel about this soundalike word?
19:17 rubenwardy luk3yx: warned
19:18 tenplus1   nubians sounds like something completely different
19:18 luk3yx     Thanks
19:20 * twoelk   decides to call it a day and starts shutting down ...
19:20 tenplus1   o/ twoelk
19:22 * tenplus1 disappears for food :) laters all o/
19:51 rdococ     yawn
19:59 rubenwardy https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54815122/cross-compiling-enet-from-linux-to-windows-linking-errors
19:59 rubenwardy I have failed
20:58 Andrey01   hi, can anybody help me with blender model please?
20:59 Andrey01   i tried to make vase model, in blender it looks like transparent because it lays out a texture for it, but in minetest it seems not to lay out it
21:01 Andrey01   model: https://ufile.io/dwv4k texture: https://ufile.io/yta53
21:16 Andrey01   can anybody help me?
23:39 xerox123   this whole pitch fly thing makes me feel like you should be able to see your pitch angle in the F5 menu