Time  Nick        Message
00:01 rubenwardy  doesn't look too hard to fix, really
00:01 rubenwardy  it's definitely just a misuse of the API
00:30 rubenwardy  LOOOOL
00:30 rubenwardy  oops, caps
00:31 rubenwardy  someone made a stackoverflow post 5 days ago title:" Could I host a Minetest Server on a Webserver"
00:31 rubenwardy  but they've deleted it since
10:04 nerzhul     rubenwardy: heh i just downloaded part of my town and it's quit enice
11:06 IcyDiamond  rubenwardy: ngx-minetest :DD
12:39 rubenwardy  IcyDiamond: sounds like this https://github.com/andrewvy/knot
12:54 IcyDiamond  xD
16:12 ircSparky   has anyone here worked much with python and its file opening and writing?
16:19 ircSparky   Im having an issue where its writing in such a way that when i open it with notepad++ and such, it looks fine, but when i copy and paste it somewhere else, or if minetest tries to read it, it's only partially there
16:24 rubenwardy  Lua won't lock things well
16:24 rubenwardy  don't use files to communicate, use sockets or HTTP
16:26 sfan5       I don't know of any programming language / standard library that implicitly locks files when you open them
16:26 ircSparky   i guess that would be a lot better, how do you do that with a lua mod? (also the issue seems to be with the python writing, the decimal characters dont seem to be writing normally)
16:26 ircSparky   it does it in the file its writing as well as the log
16:26 sfan5       how do you write the file and how do you read it back?
16:26 ircSparky   f.write(id + " " + context + "\n")
16:27 ircSparky   local input = io.open(minetest.get_worldpath().."/mumble.txt","r")
16:27 sfan5       that's not enough context
16:28 ircSparky   k, getting a pastebin
16:29 ircSparky   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F9QTc2GKRG/ writing
16:29 ircSparky   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cTD2zfZ6Nw/ reading
16:30 sfan5       you're not closing the file
16:30 ircSparky   you mean in lua? I try to close it in like 19
16:31 sfan5       no, python
16:31 ircSparky   oh
16:31 sfan5       line 32 should read f.close()
16:33 ircSparky   ill try it
16:34 ircSparky   it dosnt change it
16:35 ircSparky   Elkien Minetest
16:36 ircSparky   thats what i can copy, it looks like "Elkien Minetest 127.0.0.1:30000" in the word editor
16:36 rubenwardy  just use with
16:36 rubenwardy  with open(a, b) as f:
16:36 rubenwardy  will close uaotmagically
16:37 sfan5       trying to empty the file after reading it might be problematic
16:37 ircSparky   the space between Minetest and the ip seems to be the cause of the issue
16:38 ircSparky   probably an invalid character
16:38 sfan5       sockets/HTTP or pipes are a better solution for these kind of things
16:39 ircSparky   is there a mod that uses that?
16:39 ircSparky   i guess irc probably does
16:41 nerzhul     in python use the with operator keyword when you open a file
16:42 ircSparky   "a+" you mean that? or something else?
16:48 ircSparky   https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/264960789436301312/535137911973216258/Screenshot_87.png that NUL is the issue, it probably would also be the issue if i did http/sockets
16:55 ircSparky   i guess its with the program that sends the context to the mumble server
16:55 ircSparky   ill let you know what i find out
16:57 sfan5       you could replace null byte with a space before writing
17:44 ircSparky   sfan5, how would i do that?
17:50 ircSparky   nvm i got it, sorry for the ping
19:00 Fixer       lol, """"compact"""" interface
19:00 Fixer       sorry, random offtopic
19:00 Fixer       but i was triggered
19:40 rdococ      hmm
20:04 Fixer       ignore my messages
20:11 rdococ      I want to implement a programming language within a Minetest mod so that I have more control over it, but I'm not sure how to get started
20:12 rdococ      with a luacontroller, you have limitations - you have to use the debug library to detect timeouts, can't implement arbitrary control structures, etc.
20:38 sofar       http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaInterpreterInLua
20:43 rubenwardy  how about a C interpreter that can run Lua
21:17 benrob0329  what about a C compiler in Lua that can compile the Lua Runtime and then compile C code from within that?
21:18 benrob0329  rdococ: seems to me you could probably use coroutines and raw Lua
21:18 benrob0329  with the sandboxing that mesecons does
21:19 benrob0329  http://lua-users.org/wiki/CoroutinesTutorial
21:22 sofar       that requires that MT can create a lua context for you and grants you control handles over it
21:22 sofar       in itself not a weird idea
21:30 rdococ      benrob0329: I did try to add support to the luacontroller for "yielding" by running it in a coroutine, but it didn't really work out.
21:31 rdococ      The idea is that you would be able to yield to get the next event at any point in the code, instead of having to deal with the event at the start of the next execution.
21:42 benrob0329  I'd think that you would probably have to design a completely different even structure than mesecons has.
21:42 benrob0329  probably registering callback functions or returning a table with them
21:43 benrob0329  then run those inside a corutine
22:08 * Sokomine  reprograms the official mt so that it creates screenshots in a much smaller format...
22:09 sofar       I think you can set the format, right?
22:09 sofar       maybe I'm just imagining it, though
22:09 Sokomine    yes. but i'd like to set it for all other players as well (my net is slow :/)
22:10 * Sokomine  distracts sofar a bit while changing some config values in all installed versions of mt everywhere....
22:10 benrob0329  Sokomine: PNGs on maximum compression?
22:10 benrob0329  or JPGs on maximum quality?
22:13 sofar       netpbm
22:13 sofar       16 bytes for a single pixel
22:13 sofar       no compression
22:16 Sokomine    rather jpegs on minimum quality :-)
22:17 Sokomine    people who build impressive may be allowed slightly larger pictures though :-)
22:17 Sokomine    (the .mts even for large structures seems to require far less space than any screenshot of it)
22:18 sofar       considering the screenshots posted in the screenshot thread on the forum, people have wildly varying ideas about what constitutes an "acceptable" quality level
22:19 Sokomine    hmm. you might be right about that
22:20 Sokomine    we might add a voting system :) screenshots voted up are allowed to be re-posted in higher quality :)
22:20 * Sokomine  ducks and hides behind a convenient tree
22:20 sofar       for ITB I kept a 1080p standard which I think is reasonable nowadays
22:22 Sokomine    i recently read an article about graphic cards used for gaming. it appears they target 4k resolution now? i don't quite understand that. modern phones also have crazy resolutions
22:23 sofar       so
22:23 sofar       think about it
22:23 sofar       if you enable e.g. fsaa/aliasing
22:23 sofar       you're already calculating more pixels
22:23 sofar       might as well disable fsaa/aliasing and just, do 4x the pixels
22:23 sofar       it'll actually look better
22:25 sofar       (I'm sure I've made somone frown there)
22:29 Sokomine    i'm not sure what i've enabled. transparent tree leaves - for sure, yes. those are on, even though they cost fps on my setup
23:14 IcyDiamond  https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/towny/commit/82c7c9d694a6b79a5a00a7fad7085ac369d0d881 apparently areas mod's getAreasIntersectingArea modifies positions
23:14 IcyDiamond  thats odd
23:14 rubenwardy  ah yeah
23:14 rubenwardy  those sort of things are the worst
23:15 rubenwardy  I wish Lua had support for C.O.W
23:15 IcyDiamond  i like cows
23:15 rubenwardy  also, btw - vector.new(v) may be more efficient
23:15 rubenwardy  idk
23:15 rubenwardy  lol
23:15 IcyDiamond  eh its basically the same imo
23:15 rubenwardy  yeah
23:16 rubenwardy  nice commit message, lol
23:16 IcyDiamond  :P
23:16 IcyDiamond  yeah because my areas were vertically flipped for some reason and it confused me
23:17 IcyDiamond  i dont know how to deter 11's protector mod from being used inside towns tho
23:17 IcyDiamond  lack of api functions
23:18 rubenwardy  :'(
23:18 rubenwardy  yeah, areas is quite hackable because a lot of the functions are in the global table
23:18 IcyDiamond  yeah
23:19 IcyDiamond  https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/towny/blob/master/towny_hud/init.lua
23:19 IcyDiamond  #noharddeps
23:21 rubenwardy  'yay
23:22 IcyDiamond  https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/towny/commit/f77d754b5ffd8626396b3374466fa97e42442153 commit message fail
23:22 rubenwardy  ohhh
23:22 rubenwardy  I thought it was supposed to be a face with two arms waving
23:22 IcyDiamond  :D
23:22 rubenwardy  \(o-o\)
23:22 IcyDiamond  nah i thought i needed to escape the ()'s
23:22 IcyDiamond  but apparently not
23:23 rubenwardy  it's not a regex law
23:23 rubenwardy  *lol
23:23 IcyDiamond  dealing with bash weirdness has made me come to this conclusion
23:23 IcyDiamond  but i forgot that string literals are a thing i guess
23:24 IcyDiamond  i commit using git commit -m "message"
23:24 Sokomine    i do it the same way, icydiamond
23:25 rubenwardy  so do I
23:25 rubenwardy  it's pretty standard :)
23:25 IcyDiamond  some people use guis or just git commit which opens an editor
23:25 IcyDiamond  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:26 IcyDiamond  https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_19-01-17-01:26:08.png bit patchy activity
23:26 IcyDiamond  i do pretty nice streaks from time to time tho
23:27 IcyDiamond  dont worry my real name is public on purpose, im not afraid to use it
23:40 IcyDiamond  Wait, intllib is basically getting included in minetest 5.0?
23:40 rubenwardy  no
23:40 IcyDiamond  I need to make my mods support translations
23:41 rubenwardy  there's a client-side translation support
23:41 rubenwardy  I think that may be in 0.4.16
23:41 rubenwardy  basically, translation languages per-player
23:41 rubenwardy  whereas intlib is for the whole server
23:42 IcyDiamond  Aha, very cool
23:43 IcyDiamond  Towny already has a lot of strings >.>
23:43 IcyDiamond  Mostly command feedback
23:44 rubenwardy  :D
23:44 rubenwardy  tbh, translation is unfortunately quite low on my priorities :(
23:44 rubenwardy  it would be nice if Minetest forced you to have translation support
23:44 rubenwardy  like Android does
23:44 IcyDiamond  Minetest does have a lot of foreign players though
23:44 rubenwardy  would also be nice if a certain someone did a tutorial on translation
23:44 rubenwardy  yeah
23:45 rubenwardy  btw, what about areas being made over towny
23:45 rubenwardy  ie: after towns are made
23:47 IcyDiamond  That part I haven't done anything about yet
23:47 IcyDiamond  :P
23:47 IcyDiamond  I plan on trying to stop protection mod collisions as much as I possibly can
23:52 IcyDiamond  Is world.mt combined with the minetest.conf in use?
23:52 IcyDiamond  Or is it something completely different
23:52 GreenDimond When modstorage is accessed is the entire file loaded to find the key in question?
23:53 sofar       I think actually the files are only read at startup
23:53 IcyDiamond  Is it not loaded into memory on load?
23:53 IcyDiamond  Yeah
23:53 sofar       but, ask nerzhul
23:53 GreenDimond thats not possible
23:53 IcyDiamond  How so
23:53 GreenDimond Mods need to be able to write to and read from at runtime
23:54 IcyDiamond  mod storage is saved periodically
23:54 GreenDimond Mod storage should be saved whenever it is written to
23:54 IcyDiamond  That's a bit inefficient
23:54 rubenwardy  mod storage is a backed by a JSON file
23:54 rubenwardy  the JSON file is written out every map save interval, which is at least 10 seconds
23:54 rubenwardy  I forget
23:55 rubenwardy  so not every time it's written to
23:55 IcyDiamond  You can always make a flat file storage driver if you don't like modstorage
23:55 IcyDiamond  But you have been warned, it gets inefficient
23:55 GreenDimond The problem is I need to save upwards of thousands of lines in a file that can access each line individually efficiently
23:55 GreenDimond currently I am just scrubbing a text file
23:56 GreenDimond but if I can use some other method of storage that can read indexes like a table that would be great
23:56 rubenwardy  don't use mod storage for that
23:56 rubenwardy  databases
23:56 IcyDiamond  Nobody answered my question tho
23:56 rubenwardy  or you could use seek
23:56 GreenDimond I am using seek right now
23:57 rubenwardy  IcyDiamond: world.mt is something different
23:57 rubenwardy  so you can't put world specific settings in there
23:57 rubenwardy  except specific ones
23:57 GreenDimond The other problem is I need to read the file backwards, which I am already doing, but it is a pain :)
23:57 rubenwardy  like damage etc
23:57 sofar       one of my mods writes json files from an external process into the world folder
23:57 sofar       that's not too difficult
23:57 sofar       reading json is easy in MT too
23:58 GreenDimond So if I write to the database I can then read it by index later?
23:59 sofar       do you have 2 writers?
23:59 GreenDimond ?
23:59 sofar       who reads the "data"?
23:59 sofar       MT?
23:59 GreenDimond Yes
23:59 sofar       who writes the data?